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[wind aspen]

Also why it is hard for non Hamilton fans to accept how good he is

[sharp sigil]

none of us understand ur logic, this is just so embarassing

[crude kiln]

I bet he had great potential! But that doesn't mean he had higher status than those two mainly before Merc. No idea why you guys get so triggered by that so I have to get tagged here and insulted, when I had say that TODAY I regard him as top 2 on the track, BUT it's quite obvious he wouldn't have had the same status without the most dominant car F1 has seen. And same could had been said about Vettel if he had taken Toto's offer instead of HAM.

[sharp sigil]

im not a ham fan, but i give him credit for being successful since rookie yr

[opal galleon]

Youre simply saying other than Lewis is fine. iF not lewis you bragg about vettel since vettel didnt want to join you bragg about alonso who pretty much got beaten by a Rookie. If someone is disagreeing with you. you bragg everything to be right thats cringe...

[sharp sigil]

not all gp2 racer can be a f1 world champion in rookie (or more like basically none

[crude kiln]

Jesus 😅 You are making little to no sense again.

[sharp sigil]

lets just leave, this guy is killing the chat downgrading f1 discussion

[opal galleon]

Pure fact and I didnt want to get involved. But those 2 people are actually very reasonable. and talks facts and statistics. Youre the one being bias right now.

[wind aspen]

At the same time people judge Hamilton against Vettel etc. Do you regard Vettel as some sort of genuis 4 time world champion?

[crude kiln]

You already confirmed what I said yourself so idk what you're on about. And you siding with people who can't discuss like adults is a bit surprising as well.

[opal galleon]

Youre calling them childish when they talk real facts and saying they are attacking you when perhaps youre even attacking me thats cringe...

[sharp sigil]

ur not putting any facts into ur opinion when you call urself an adult discussing

[crude kiln]

Nope, I'd take Hamilton before Vettel. All I'm saying is that pre Merc days Vettel and others had higher status than Hamilton. That's just pure facts. Kinda like HAM has higher status than VET now.

[sharp sigil]

bruhhh.......

[opal galleon]

he is switching his words xD

[sharp sigil]

i can feel the embarrassment for you man, this chat is full of that rn

[crude kiln]

You def have hit the bottle tonight 😂

[opal galleon]

If you read closly what was not he was talking about at first....

[opal galleon]

What tonight? Its evening for me mate.

[crude kiln]

Thought you are reasonable most nights, but now I struggle to recognize you. Hope you all enjoyed tho and feel well now!

[formal kelp]

i always assumed europeans were more cultured and more intelligent than americans but it was just the accent... after reading this chat you all are the equivalent to our nascar fans, LELELELELELLEl

[sharp sigil]

who said we? im canada

[wind aspen]

Probs because he won 4 titles in a car 1 sec quicker than the next one and you live in Germany? Anyone with 4 titles will be held higher than the one Hamilton had at the time but in the UK Hamilton was the next big thing.

[opal galleon]

stereotypical .... as usual

[sharp sigil]

@crude kiln do you want to read some of those?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong

[formal kelp]

stop being so predictable and stereotypes wouldnt be so true

[opal galleon]

What you mean predictable. Its so stereotype to point out if europeans is for example "suppose" to be smarter. Then American see europeans being dumbasses. Then other way around

That thinking is "stereotype"

If I see to guys liking each other and I dont like that "stereotype"

[formal kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mocking-chicken-trending-meme-gif-8617355

[opal galleon]

Pure fact xD

I am not saying its either positive or negative. I was just pointing out thats stereotypical way to think.

[opal galleon]

I feel well btw thank you. But like, I personally didnt have an opinion on this. But what I saw is those other 2 guys were spitting facts. And you couldnt just agree with them at al. As I said on very start "its bias way to think" on both parties. Therfore fI I was you, and you know you couldnt just agree, why bragg about being taken back and fourth. When it only looks like that you want to be right? When the truth is there is no right answer.... only opinions. you simply couldnt accept that..... even though they were actually really reasonable with statistic and facts.

[opaque crest]

Woah what did I miss lol?!

[crude kiln]

I literally wrote in the discussion that none of us can be sure about this. And you confirmed Merc wanted Vettel ahead of Lewis. And you also agreed it's wrong to say "he is the best" for certain. So idk why you joined them to attack me all of a sudden when we said the same things 😅

[sharp sigil]

@crude kiln Well said, all I started out was give lewis credit. He has the reason to be on top, theres no who better than who or whatever the "status" you are arguing. But then you instead towards the end of discussion, turn to accuse us being biased or call us childish...

[hard isle]

Sergio Pérez is the best driver on the grid and eats both Hamilton and Verstappen to lunch and dinner.

[opal galleon]

Didnt attack you and as I said when youre not agreeing with someone. You just pointing out that they are agains you when I was just pointing out that there were speaking facts and that you simply couldnt agree with them.

[crude kiln]

Yeah I didn't disagree with this. Vettel had higher status back then as I and you said, alot thx to the titles, like HAM today. I'm no Vettel fan btw 😅 Never was.

[opal galleon]

And I eat you and that spicy mexcian...

Good combo Baguette and spice....

[sharp sigil]

yea right right @crude kiln you got ur company who also agreeing on lewis not one of best in the greats

[crude kiln]

What facts were they speaking? And yes you attacked me. Mocked me in several posts. And ofc I feel they are against me when they call me embarrassing etc 😅 That's low level.

[wind aspen]

Don't forget in your own country the driver gets valued higher than elsewhere. Go to Mexico and you be killed for saying Perez is rubbish or something. He's a god there

[hard isle]

because he is

[crude kiln]

For sure. Agreed.

[sharp sigil]

Fettel name + am pfp...

[opaque crest]

I literally said earlier Lewis is ONE of the best drivers

But not the greatest

[wind aspen]

Who is?

[opal galleon]

Eh they were saying Hamilton was much preffered in many teams and you couldnt agree with that when many teams wanted him. And it took goddamn Nikki Lauda to convince him to join mercedes. Also how can I be the one attacking you when I was just pointing out stuff at the start then you attack me saying I am bias etc???

[sharp sigil]

No one is that greatest. Just give enough credit to all thos champs

[wind aspen]

Even that year that chap won 1 race to do it 😂

[opal galleon]

I was just pointing out the relevant stuff they talked about... to make it more clear. Turns out I am agains someone what logic is that...

[opaque crest]

Do you know what, I can't give a definitive answer. Lewis and Schumacher are the best ones I've seen race, Senna, Prost, Fangio I've seen highlights and clips of so I know how good they were but I would honestly just say they are all one of the greatest

[crude kiln]

Yeh we both said this and that it's very hard to judge tho, but apparently it's only accepted to say HAM is the greatest for some.

[opaque crest]

I don't feel you can compare equally due to car changes, different levels of driving etc

[sharp sigil]

and dont say who lower than who (at least in same category).like what you siad, viewing kimi above ham was plain stuipidityy @crude kiln

[opaque crest]

Who knows how Lewis would have coped in Senna's car and vice versa

[opal galleon]

This is is why I said on start its "bias" way to think. And those nutmegs goes crazy...

[crude kiln]

You said yourself that Vettel was asked tho and that Alonso was tied to Ferrari. So idk why you disagree when you say the same thing. Ofc Lewis was hot property but I he didn't have the highest status in F1 then.

[wind aspen]

True I said Fangio for years as you were close to death most races, Senna would be the next closest but that's because the 80s was very hard to win a title in.

[opaque crest]

From what I see Boba just said that some people viewed other drivers as better than Lewis when he first started, proven by the fact Toto wanted Vettel first.

He can't be wrong as everyone has their own opinion so some wouldn't have rated Lewis as high as Vettel, Alonso or Kimi

[opal galleon]

I have actually not said anything at all that I disagree nor agreeing. I was pointing out the stuff the other guys were talking about .........

That I know were facts.

Other stuff I didnt point out

[opaque crest]

Those drivers were another level of brave, literally putting their life on the line and pushing to the limit. Get so annoyed when footballers are described as brave, utter rubbish

[crude kiln]

Yes which lined up with what I said. You gotta understand my confusion when you say what I say and then all of a sudden criticise me for it 😅

[opal galleon]

They dont have protections. I litterly got into a duel in football ones and I broke my knee

[sharp sigil]

u criticize him

[opal galleon]

I was highlighting the wrongs and facts. And you started to critize me....

[wind aspen]

Guys let's stop this argument you be taking boba to court soon 😂

[crude kiln]

Did I?

[opaque crest]

I played football till I was 17 and broke my knee. Would never describe anything on a football pitch as brave compared to F1 though lol

[opal galleon]

You called me bias etc, when I was just pointing out the big stuff they were talking about and that you just cant agree with them which is a problem in both parties...

[sharp sigil]

smhhh someone in the heat of proving himself doesnt even know what his fingers put...

[opal galleon]

They were spitting facts most of the time and you just couldnt agree with them when you havent brought facts yourself

[opal galleon]

I understand but like I just want to say that you do something stupid in football you get big injuries

In F1 you crash and you can still walk. If I destroyed my knee now I couldnt drive f1 whuut.

[sharp sigil]

hand brake and throttle has been a thing haha disability races

[crude kiln]

I said what you said. And what facts were they spitting besides the fact they were trolling? Or "they", Frankie more like. Think you need to read this convo again.

[sharp sigil]

I'm trolling? u dont give a god damn credit to the mclaren lewis

ur saying lewis so good becuz his achivement in merc

[opal galleon]

Also that he was not preffered. driver ....

[crude kiln]

Which you confirmed yourself.

[opaque crest]

Can I just point out he didn't say Lewis was bad, just said other drivers were rated higher by some people

[crude kiln]

In general I'd say. Vettel and Alonso were the title contenders and the talk back then. No idea how someone can try and argue around that.

[opal galleon]

You wanted to be right that Alonso and Vettel was much more prefferd the other guys said Lewis. Which is fact, its just that Mercedes wanted vettel first. Chose Ferrari. But many other teams wanted Lewis. Then you bragg about alonso which I said was occupied. And I said why bragg about alonso who pretty much lost to lewis on his rookie year. The other guys said lewis was much more potenial.

[opaque crest]

So basically it's saying George isn't rated as highly as Lewis or Max today

[sharp sigil]

and lewis was fighting his own way staying competitive despite his pit crew screwing him over...so that was what I say, every year in Lewis career, he never rly underperform

[opal galleon]

yeah

[opaque crest]

Which is true isn't it?

[opal galleon]

yeah

I am simply pointing out that you wanted to be so right in your own opinion Boba. When the others were being realistic.

[crude kiln]

It has nothing to do with being right. I said that other drivers had higher status than Lewis back then which is pure facts and nothing else. Ofc many teams wanted Lewis tho. Why should I claim sth else?

[crude kiln]

He is awesome I agree!

[opal galleon]

but you couldnt agree with the others. Which prove that so long it was alonso or vettel you agree.

But when it comes to lewis no.

And thats what the other said you dont give him enough credit.

[crude kiln]

No you and I were being realistic when saying that there were others who had higher status back then 😂 I have no idea why you are trying to turn this against me when we are agreeing on that. That's why you are so confusing to me tonight.

[opal galleon]

Go sleep also •evening

[opaque crest]

Has anyone else had a quick scroll through any tweets the FIA or F1 put out. Comments section is 90% fuming fans about the result

If Masi keeps his job it will destroy the reputation of the sport even further

[opal galleon]

I have seen also Twitter 🤮🤮🤮🤮

[sharp sigil]

i see most ppl just like George saying the way it handled was unacceptable and against the rules, but the champion of who deserving not many ppl arguing that

[opaque crest]

I'd be staying quiet if I were them lol

[opal galleon]

•loud

[opaque crest]

I like this #staytuned, you expecting us to believe anything will change

[opal galleon]

We know max is going to be crowned champion

The result are confirmed so. Only thing that can happen now is Mercedes’ being right and masi lose the job.

[wind aspen]

Some rules do need clearing up though. Can't be having cars changing tyres during a red flag etc, sc rules need changing too, maybe don't change tyres during that too

[opal galleon]

What is really the purpose of red flag?

[opaque crest]

Yep, based on the sensible posts here, most of us could do a better job at writing the rule book and following it that the FIA have

[wind aspen]

To fix walls etc

[opal galleon]

So it’s not really about giving drivers and teams a time to fix car damage?

[opaque crest]

Allows them to clear things more safely. Still a risk under SC, brake failures etc

[opaque crest]

Don't think that was ever the purpose

[opal galleon]

Then I don’t see a reason why you should be allowed to fix car and change tyres then.

[wind aspen]

Shouldn't be but I believe you can change a nose etc

[opal galleon]

But then changing tyres and fixing the car goes out of the purpose of red flag

[opaque crest]

Red flag and SC should mean no pit stops, no tyre changes, no repairs etc. Race is basically frozen

[opal galleon]

So then that rule needs to be reformatted

[opaque crest]

Yep or if a safety issue allowed to change tyres but to the same compound

[wind aspen]

Frozen under sc how would that work?

[opaque crest]

Not sure really, guess you couldn't really do it as pack has to be close but you can say no pit stops

Vote me for new race director and I'll sort it all out lol

[wind aspen]

Only concern is that someone cheated to win one year exploiting that rule...

[opaque crest]

I'll have a mute button for Horner and Toto

[opaque crest]

How? Remember who it was?

[wind aspen]

Alonso made an early stop for hards, piquet crashes, everyone has to pit and Alonso wins the race

[opal galleon]

Give me the job I heard it’s unpopular one so eeasy job.

Maximum penalty to Canadians….

Daddys cash people have 50% cash fee

I force VW to a unbeaten deal to join

Easy

[opaque crest]

Don't remember that but I'm sure it can be written to prevent it

[wind aspen]

Thing is with f1 someone will do anything to win at all costs, loopholes etc

[opaque crest]

We'll do it together?

[opal galleon]

Yeah sure

[opaque crest]

Any driver complains about another we have a cut engine button?

And Toto and Horner have to wear shock collars that when they moan we can shock them

[opal galleon]

What I don’t understand is how is it not that they are protest out there? In football everybody goes wild and protest at the club…

[opaque crest]

Not protest where?

[opal galleon]

Agains FIa?

[wind aspen]

It was around 2009? Alonso and piquet in the Renault. Renault were going backwards at the time so Briatore told piquet to crash on purpose at Singapore

[opaque crest]

Oh vaguely remember now. Yeah needs to be a rule against deliberately crashes too

[opaque crest]

Who's not protesting?

[wind aspen]

Probs half the reason why Perez or Bottas couldn't do it in the last race, fia wouldn't like that one bit

[opaque crest]

Yep there's probably a rule against it now. Otherwise Bottas should have done it as SC was about to come in

[wind aspen]

Don't think Bottas is the type to do such a thing or even want that on his cv

[opaque crest]

Just seen this on BBC article
"But a number have told BBC Sport that at least half the F1 teams have lost confidence in race director Michael Masi, and that many of the drivers have concerns as well"

[wind aspen]

Masi is shlt. Can't believe he just makes it up as he goes along.

Also I was thinking Hamilton should had blocked inside line on lap 1 and the final, maybe it's just me

[sharp sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ee0czVr5s

Driver61

[thin jewel]

bro is getting mad views

[hazy peak]

Recap of sunday: Lewis made Max go angry, Lewis said, he gonna make Max happy by givinh back what he stole but he didn’t and FIA was happy cuz they like Lewis and then everyone made Lewis give Max back what he stomw from Max

[thin jewel]

so many things need to be workes on in the fia

[hazy peak]

Idk when it was but that one time Max had an extreme disadvantage and then got 5 seconds

Like

How stupid?

FIA: Yes

[thin jewel]

lmao true

and i hate how so many people are hating on lewis and toto because theyre cry babies when it was for a championship...

[hazy peak]

That also like—

cry I didn’t win, even though I cheated cry cry

To quote Lewis^^

[thin jewel]

that guy was speaking fax im ngl

[hazy peak]

Lewis‘ brain got robbed

[thin jewel]

the last race was just so weird and confusing

[hazy peak]

I think the FIA would get so much of trouble with fans, if Lewis would’ve won

[thin jewel]

true

[hazy peak]

As I said

Max gets extra punishments and Lewis…. What are punishments?

[thin jewel]

fia is so messy

[hazy peak]

Well they are kinda fair with penelzies

[jaunty cave]

Alors lewis

[hazy peak]

But they give them to the wrong peeps

Lewis, how often do you lie?

Lewis: Yes

[jaunty cave]

you have to fight for victory

Lewis hamilton

[hazy peak]

Yea, everyone has to fight

Except lewis

Cause FIA just gives him the victory if they feel like it

[jaunty cave]

Noo

A dont undetstand . Im french

No

Luck

[hazy peak]

Luck?

You dont even watch the games, do you?

[jaunty cave]

I take luck

[hazy peak]

…

[jaunty cave]

I am a fan of formul1

Tu est pour qui comme pilote ?

Latifi ??

@hazy peak

[formal kelp]

QUI F1 PILOTEEEE

[chrome crystal]

Hola

[fresh acorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyW5C6M4F8

[jaunty cave]

https://youtu.be/hXacMLYQpq8

[swift lava]

Bro why you hating on lewis so much?

Let the man love lewis

Don't be so narrow minded

[robust coral]

Because Lewis shunted max at Silvestone, shunted max at jeddah when he had plenty of room, re entered the track dangerously at Imola, pushed perez to the pit lane in Turkey and cheated on Lap 1 at abu dhabi and should not even have been leading

[sharp sigil]

both true and not true from your statement

[alpine swallow]

Max is goat

That’s all I can say

[robust coral]

The worst was celebrating at Silvestone after putting your rival in hospital, and insulting Checo in Mexico by saying you can tell the Red Bulls are fast when even Checo is on your tail!

[formal kelp]

That's not insulting that's the truth

Checo insults himself by being a slow driver

[hazy peak]

Goats are cool

Unlike Lewis

[wind aspen]

Went to hospital for checks, when your racing do you care? Look at Scumacher etc didn't mind putting their rivals in the wall did they?

[wind aspen]

Also max cheated at Jeddah, cheated at Brazil. Crashed into Lewis at Monza and Imola. He did get penalties but they were justified

[robust coral]

How did Max cheat in Jeddah? He was issued multiple penalties unnessarily, normally its either you give the place back or 5 seconds not both! In Monza Lewis didnt give Max enough space!

In fact in Jeddah, Hamilton sped at the yellow lights, collided into Mazepin and didn't get penalized. He had plenty of room to overtake Max but hit him instead

And Hamilton did shithousery after the red flag, was more than ten car lengths behind Max, thats why he had a better start

[opal galleon]

That was an error in FIA light that was not hamiltons fault….

Also that case is unrelevant

[crude kiln]

@wind aspen @robust coral Saying anyone of them "cheated" is a bit exagerated. As is saying Max "crashed" into Lewis especially in Imola.

[robust coral]

Brazil i give you that, Max fault

Even in the last race, he cheated on lap 1

[opal galleon]

Lmao

[robust coral]

Reinvented the track and never gave the place back

[opal galleon]

He force him out, that was Lewis line. What you talking about 😂😂😂

Even masi said it…..

[crude kiln]

Feels wrong to call it cheated imo 😅 Both have been dirty but "cheated" sounds so rough 😅

[opal galleon]

And it was not even a completed overtake 😂😂

[opal galleon]

Yeah this guy 😂

[robust coral]

Max already had the corner

[wind aspen]

Not saying Lewis didn't but you are on a one man target saying Lewis did wrong

[robust coral]

The truth is Masi got both calls wrong

Both the first lap and the last lap

But Lewis not only never gave the position back he had a gap as well

[opal galleon]

If it was completed overtake and Hamilton got pushed off the track. Then max had to give back the space. But since Lewis owned that line, and got force off the track. Also max didn’t complete the overtake. Also Lewis lost all his advantage when he joined back the track.

[robust coral]

Max would have had clean air and soft tyres

[wind aspen]

True, I take back cheat but leave that for an earlier era!

[robust coral]

Im not even a max fan, but hamilton blatantly cut the track and stole the lead

[opal galleon]

Lmao

Clearly you don’t know the rules….

[crude kiln]

@opal galleon @robust coral Are you talking Brazil or Abu Dhabi now?

[opal galleon]

😂 cringe

[opal galleon]

He is talking about Abu Dhabi lap 1

That was cleared and actually a ok decision by fia and he called Lewis cheating because of that lmao

[wind aspen]

Yes but he had no option to. If you watch some of it the amount of times Verstappen was on the limit and almost crashed into him I would do the same thing

[opal galleon]

The mazepin and yellow flag on jeddah was an error in FIA.

So bias no facts at all…..

[crude kiln]

Abu Dhabi was Lewis who should had given the place back. But wouldn't call it cheating 😅 Was just FIA making the wrong call so he didn't have to give the place back. Him going off I see no issues with since drivers do that all the time in those situations.

[opal galleon]

No but Hamilton had the right to still be in P1 since it was his line, perfect breaking point to the line, max didn’t complete the overtake which means he is still P2. Also Lewis got force out…..

So that decision is actually ok and calling it cheating is so far off

If max completed the overtake before contact then he had to give the place back

Lewis had to give back”

You can’t call it cheating when the FIA makes the advantages and disadvantages….. for both parties.

[crude kiln]

Everyone has said Lewis should had given that place back. Heard almost 10 commentators and experts saying it. Heard noone as such saying Lewis should had kept P1 there. But him going off is sth drivers do all the time and was up to FIA to tell him to give the place back.

[opal galleon]

It was not completed overtake....

thats the problem...

Max dont have the right to have P1 when its not completed overtake....

and it dont give whole alot of boost when lewis is the one getting force out.

[crude kiln]

He completed it and didn't go off track. You are going against basically all experts if you think he should had kept P1 there.

[opal galleon]

Its not completed when the other driver gets push off.

[robust coral]

Max was clearly in front and if Hamilton was fair he would have been p2. Race would have been different

[opal galleon]

If you call that completed then all the drivers can just on purpose push off then give the place back..

[robust coral]

He did not push Hamilton off at all

In fact in Jeddah Max got penalized for similar

[opal galleon]

But back to the main case its not cheating when the FIA is the one that makes advantages and disadvantages for people...

[robust coral]

And got multiple penalties all ay once

Giving back positions plus 5 secondw

[crude kiln]

Just as Brundle or Crofty on Sky said it's up to HAM to yield in that situation. Happens all the time and was an accepatble move.

[robust coral]

Everything they can throw

[robust coral]

Ok sure i take your point on this

Agree, stewards have to be clear

Whats right and wrong

And bottas at Hungary

[opal galleon]

@crude kiln Yes I agree, but back to the main case. This guy calling it cheating when its the FIA making the advantages and disadvantages. If you take that logic then Max cheated his way to the last lap then?????

[robust coral]

If the other teams have to incur penalties just because they have to change engines cos of bowling bottas

They need to change the rules

[opal galleon]

If you call the lap 1 incident cheating and FIA made the decision and calling Lewis the one cheating when he was not entitled to give it back... then you can call max a cheater as well for the decions for FIA on last lap xD

that logic....

[robust coral]

Agree with you on that, so the stewards got both calls wrong then

[crude kiln]

Yeah as I said I don't think anyone of them cheated. I really disliked Merc's pit, SC and restart shenanigans this season, but if they aren't breaking any rules I can't say they were cheating 😅

[opal galleon]

What youre saying is a bit unrelevant but I agree. But yes to the main thing this guy calling it cheating is bizzare.....

[robust coral]

They should just have gravel traps around abu dhani next year

Then lewis cant do what he did

[crude kiln]

Nah it's the same principle. If HAM goes off track he isn't cheating since he has the right to do so. FIA is to blame then if anyone.

[robust coral]

How many times do you want to repeat the same thing?

I take your point about the cheating thing

The stewards screwed both decisions

But its not right that Lewis was ahead after the first lap

[opal galleon]

Yeah thats what I am saying and this guy call it cheating when none of the drivers where entitled to do something.

Both drivers got given advantage by FIA and thats it....

[robust coral]

So they need to be clearer

Jeddah max multiple penalties

Brasil no penalty

Abu dhabi no giving back of position

Whats the standard?

[opal galleon]

In Jeddah that Maz and Lewis thing that was an accident a faillure in FIA side.

[crude kiln]

@robust coral I think we all agree that FIA have been all over the place this season 😅 So hope they make some adjustments till next season.

[robust coral]

And lewis was more than ten car lengths behind max after the red flag in Jeddah, of course max tyres were cold at the restart

They need to do something about that

[opal galleon]

The penalty for instant braking was fair since thats dangerous. And its stated on the rulebook aswell. You can just instant brake someone. many other drivers got penalty for that in the past like Hamilton did to vettel once.

[robust coral]

Agree

[opal galleon]

Max got penalty for pushing off someone off the track and took the P1 but FIA messed up here

FIA didnt say to Max to give the place back at all then he suddently got that penalty

[robust coral]

Needs to have clearer rules

[opal galleon]

FIA just messed up on Lewis side aswell they didnt tell mercedes first that max is going to give out the P1.

[robust coral]

So lewis didn't want to overtake cos he didnt want to be first at the drs line

Not because he couldnt overtake

There was plenty of space

[opal galleon]

None of the drivers are entitled to overtake

You can overtake when you want. But you cant delay it and delay it.

[robust coral]

But then again, why was max given a give the position back and 5 seconds

Normally its either or

[opal galleon]

Lewis was not entitled to overtake max right away but main point here mercedes was not given the information first which is an error in FIA side.....

[robust coral]

Yes agree

Its a mesa

[opal galleon]

Max got 5s penalty for forcing hamilton out and took P1 and hold on to Esteban..

[robust coral]

Hamilton only got to that first corner ahead of max btw

[opal galleon]

I believe it was abusing that and got a unfair advantage I see the reason why he got that. But yet again FIA didnt notify him that he needed to give the place back.

[robust coral]

Cos he caused max to have cold tyres

More than ten car lengths behind max on thr formation lap

Again, more clarity on the rules need to be enforced on that

Otherwise pole sitter will always get screwed

[opal galleon]

The rules is quite ok, but its not being handled in a good way

either way it shouldnt matter that much

in 2022 its estiamted to be new rules and regs.

[robust coral]

Especially this season between rb and merc where the difference in cold or warm tyres by 0.1 sec makes the diff

[opal galleon]

Like in Abu Dhabi its clear, you either let lapped cars go or not. I mean as whole not giving 5 cars to go then the rest not.

[robust coral]

I agrre

Masi should have just decided at the start

Let the cars go

[opal galleon]

So I say the rules is fine but they are not being handled in the right way.

[robust coral]

Then he would have enough time

[opal galleon]

Masi basically made a new rule in Abu Dhabi

[robust coral]

Or follow the indy car way

The lapped cars all go behind

Just state the rules beforehand

[robust coral]

When did he last make a right call lol

He auctioned grid positions in Jeddah to rb and merc

[robust coral]

Didnt Hamilton brake test vettel at Azerbaijan? Cant remember if he got penalized for that

[opal galleon]

No it was other way around

but there was once when Hamilton brake test vettel

or my bad

it was azerbadjain

I meant to say yes hamilton did it. But Vettel also did the same thing later

[robust coral]

Yeah vettel did as well

[crude kiln]

Alonso's reaction to race control being so slow in their decision making. Was enough time to let all cars unlap themselves instead of making some in-between version like they did.

[robust coral]

Yeah agree!

By the time masi decided

It was 3-4 laps later

Goshh

Right call just too slow

[opal galleon]

If he hesitated that much I dont see why red flagg was not an option.

[vocal holly]

Cause the incident itself was not of the red flag caliber

No barrier broke and there wasn’t too much debris’s on the track

[crude kiln]

I wouldn't had mind a red flag. But easiest would had been like Alonso said. I think it took so long since it was such an important decision and they knew Merc would get screwed if they restarted the race, and RB if they didn't, despite restarting was the right thing to do since there obviously was time AND since that's what they have previously decided with the teams.

[opal galleon]

Masi is a guy that only follow the principals and procedures, a guy like him in that position should know what to do.

[crude kiln]

Saw an interview with Crofty yesterday and he has known Masi for many years and basically said he is an amazing person. BUT according to him Masi is over worked. He has sooo much to do apparently and needs more support from FIA according to Crofty.

[opal galleon]

I saw it too therfore he is not the right person

because other people in the past has made a much better job

Its too much for him

But I am suprise you bragg about Crofty who works for Sky and you are so AntiSky dude...

[wind aspen]

How come you non English people dont get your own commentary team? Seems like every country gets the English ones!

[opal galleon]

Its cheaper to get F1 TV Pro there you get the broadcast from Sky. You also have many other channels like Channel 4, DAZN and ESPN all of them international so english there aswell.

[crude kiln]

Again with the "bragg" talk 😅 I was just saying what he said since he seemed to know Masi and had seemed to have some insights. No idea why you question me cuz of that. I understand all Merc fans want his head, but I don't think it's that simple. And in the end his/their(?) decision was more correct all in all than to let it end behind SC for no reason.

[crude kiln]

Think most countries have their own commentary teams. I don't have Sky but watch alot of clips on F1's Youtube which is from Sky.

[opal galleon]

*Correction decision but the thing many discuss about is that it was not handled correctly.

Sky owns the TV production and rights for F1

[crude kiln]

Wouldn't had been handled correctly either if they hadn't resumed the race. And would also had gone against what the teams had decided. But would had been controversial no matter what since they stalled on letting all cars lap. As grandpa Alonso hinted.

[opal galleon]

*young alonso

[crude kiln]

Rookie of the year

[opal galleon]

But yeah Sky owns all production. So the only difference is the languages. I mean the images and all that is from sky.

[opaque crest]

I'm not a Merc fan and still want his head. Mainly for the fact that anyone tuning into the sport now thinks it's a farce and scripted

The damage Masi has done to the sport with the handling of the situation is huge. He said before the race no red flag for Turn 14 incidents, why put yourself in that position?

[split ocean]

I think that masi is a decent guy just doesn’t have gigantic balls to make hard decisions quickly, fearing of what will happen after

[crude kiln]

Yeah but as I said there would had been controversy no matter what decision they made, and they went with the one that had been decided = to not end races under SC if possible.

[crude kiln]

I think he wasn't alone about this tho. On Horner's radio message you could hear Masi was confering with others about what to do.

[opaque crest]

Yep, he just made a rod for his own back by saying no red flags for that turn. Silly thing to say and then not following the rules that teams based their decisions on

[crude kiln]

Why did he say that before the race? Cuz they knew it was an easy corner to clear?

[opaque crest]

I just feel the sport has a lot more to lose by him keeping his job than it does for him going

[split ocean]

I think he should stay in fia but not as race director

[opaque crest]

Not sure it was just in an interview with Karun. He asked due to Kimi crashing there and Masi said no red flag for that corner which is daft. What if multiple cars had crashed there etc

[opaque crest]

What other role is there for him? The sport has lost a lot of credibility from that one decision.

[crude kiln]

Yeah I have no idea. And same with final SC decision. I feel we would had needed to see/hear what was going on in that room to say for sure what happened.

Responsibility is on Masi tho, but we can't be sure he was the only one making the calls.

[opaque crest]

Maybe have a rule that states any incident resulting in SC in final 5 laps will be red flag. Or no pitting under SC would also solve the issue.

Just make the rule really clear and specific and take out the bit that says he has the power to do what he likes

[crude kiln]

I'd be down for red flag if SC final 5 laps or so. Hope they make that rule!

[split ocean]

idk, something like race co-ordinator. Just anything that put him out of the prublic. He seems to be a good worker but terrible when under humongous amount of pressure

[split ocean]

same

[opaque crest]

How do we suggest it to them lol?

[crude kiln]

I actually have a feeling we won't have to. If they have any smarts they are already considering it to avoid a situation like this. Not letting the cars unlap themselves with 3 laps to go like Alonso and others thought they should, they were going to make a messed up decision no matter what they did.

A red flag rule would had prevented that.

[split ocean]

its a bit difficult to make a fixed state of rules. His job is something like that of a judge, There is the foundation of the rules but every case is different

[hazy peak]

On one of the german ones (Sky Sports F1) they said, that Lewis said, he gave back P1

Show me?

[opaque crest]

Didn't give back the place but Merc said he gave back any advantage gained, debatable whether he did or not

[split ocean]

but it will likely be better than now

[opaque crest]

You can make some a fixed state. This situation could have been prevented with a clear one that can't be superceded by race director

[opal galleon]

God I just want this to be history already and 2022 now….

[crude kiln]

Car reveals in Feb/Mar is the real Christmas to me 😆

Do we think Merc is going back to silver?

[opal galleon]

Don’t see a reason why they should change back to silver unless those people in Germany wants Mercedes’ to be back in their colours.

[crude kiln]

I like the black more. Looks awesome. Only issue is that it's often hard to see the difference between them, Aston Martin and AlphaTauri.

[opal galleon]

I like the 2020 livery

I don’t like that Petronas colour they implemented. I liked it last year where it was more black than that petronas colour.

[crude kiln]

Yeah 2020 was even better I agree

[formal kelp]

I liked the pink one

[opal galleon]

.....

[heady sonnet]

Aston is changing color next season afaik

To a different shade of brg

[crude kiln]

Will be interesting to see if they can make it work!

[heady sonnet]

Maybe closer to the new color of the safety car?

[crude kiln]

I haven't thought about the colour of it 🙈

[formal kelp]

you mean BRG and pink dont go together? OMEGALUL

[jaunty cave]

Mercedes colour is silver!!!. Because BLM change team color with long history is bull....

[opal galleon]

uh?

[sharp sigil]

jusbt be like rb, find that truly theme colour that fit the team
whole decade never really a change

rb designer be like imma ctrl+c then ctrl+v

[opaque crest]

Don't want to bring it back up really but just heard Carlos' radio from Sunday just before SC restart

You guys heard it?

[sharp sigil]

nnop link?

[formal kelp]

lol sainz be like WAT IS THIS BS M8

[limpid shard]

I like that Max the Champ will use #1 next season as to remind all of the salties of his championship

[opaque crest]

Stroll is literally wt as well

Just heard another Sainz one where he literally says, "it would be unfair if they restart this race. It will be giving a massive advantage to some people."

[jaunty cave]

You still cry about it? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Perez was truly an mvp this race and also season

[foggy cipher]

tru

[opaque crest]

Knew it would bring trolls out, just providing info for those that are interested

[sharp sigil]

max deserves the champ

[limpid shard]

He fought like a “lion”🦁

[wind aspen]

You do realise that other teams have targets too?, there is more to it than the top 2. Of course Sainz is not happy that he had to pass a lap car but the top 2 don't because a guy in charge decides to do whatever he wants

[proper apex]

deleted in general, so just passing by to say #IStandWithLewisHamilton

[hazy peak]

#Istandwithpersonsthatcheaterscheatedonbutstillwonandmadethecheatersadthatthecheaterlost

[vapid quarry]

#ICantBelieveHowTheCheaterEscapedThePenaltyOnLap1AndKeptThatLeadFor45Laps

[hazy peak]

#ThatCheaterWouldHaveWonIfPerezAndTheOthersDidntStopThatCheater

[vapid quarry]

#IStandWithChecoTheLegend

[severe basalt]

I love how Lewis got robbed blatantly and others did too but max fans still find stuff to complain about the race

[broken prawn]

What’s with the hashtags??

[jaunty cave]

Yeah @vapid quarry what’s with the hashtags!?

[vapid quarry]

lol.. just trying to look cool 😎.. following the trend, bro.. ✌️

[woeful rune]

Max lost the race, already. Then Perez helped max to close the gap between Lewis and Max, was not enough, then Race Control gifted it to max in the last Lap. complete drama. Red Flag and last 4 laps on same tires would have been more of a race for both fans. once again, to me Lewis was the clear winner of final race. Arguably you can blame it on Mercedes to not change tires ahead of Max.

does not matter who won, but race was not won on track, it was decided by Race Control, match fixing at its best

[opaque crest]

It's obvious what it is. Trolls who have glasses that say rules were followed and can't admit that the race was decided by a dodgy decision. If you can't see that it screwed Lewis over and respect how he's handled it, you're not a true fan of the sport at best or racist at worst

[woeful rune]

no sport like, event, sure

i would have loved if one of the drivers have won the race with better performing car formula with better driver, not the Race control decision

[opaque crest]

It's interesting how these extra "RB fans" have come out now Max won. I put in inverted commas as I know real fans admit how Max won was wrong and respect Lewis for his achievements and how magnanimous he's been

[opaque crest]

This. The race wasn't decided fairly on track. That is a fact.

[woeful rune]

top 5 drivers in Formula 1 are sort of equally great to win any given race, But sometimes drama happens, the impact of drama would have been little if it was early season. but in the last lap of last race when title is on the line, nope nope!!! RIP Michael Massi,

[half atlas]

The whole season was like this tbf

Some decisions were against ham some were against max

Bet netlfix paid masi so they wouldnt have to dramatise dts that much

[split ocean]

lol

[woeful rune]

RED flag the race, so both driver can fight it for the final 4 laps.... even without Latifi accident, race was won by Lewis by a good distance,,, when there are no more races left, this sort of decision is extremely not accptable by any fans, Max has not won a Championship, i call it a deleted season in my History books, i do not reward Max a Championship in this manner,

Objectively in my Books Lewis is 8 time world Champion, Max is great driver, but he needs a better car, in future

[split ocean]

Both drivers equally deserved the title but only one can be crowned champion.
I am disappointed on how inconsistent the fia is this season but u can’t deny Max also had a lot of bad luck situations

[half atlas]

Max was a better driver over course of the season imo,but lewis didnt deserve to lose like that

[woeful rune]

Lewis is such a great car is unbeatable, and to get a JOB in such a great car as a driver, a driver has to earn it first

[split ocean]

Both max and lewis are similar in terms of skill just max is a bit faster over one lap while lewis is a bit more well rounded. It is not a big difference.It really just depends on the car

[woeful rune]

as i said top 5 drivers in f1 given same car are all great,, Lewis Max Charles George Lando are all great drivers, with the likes of Vettel, Ric and Sains, i do not see a bad driver in F1 at all, all are great given best car, in this case Lewis had great car, and he is unbeatable in this condition, AMG is far better than RB, if Lewis and Max take same car,

Max can defeat Lewis in no time... but Race Control has produced an essesce of shame for Max to win in this manner.

[half atlas]

Max and lewis were levels ahead from rest of the grid this year tho

[woeful rune]

Gasly is great driver as well, Put Gasly and Max in same car, you might say Gasly is better driver as well, lol

[split ocean]

Personally, I agree with you. There is no such best driver on the grid. There is only good/great drivers with the best car.

[woeful rune]

it is motivation, Max and Lewis has the 2 best cars, Ferrari and Mc laren are not that good

yea, Senna could not win a single race in Haas, if god sends him back. simple math

[half atlas]

Haas isnt even close to competitive

[woeful rune]

its like Real Madrid versus Barcelona, thing

[split ocean]

if u put ham or max in a williams , they may produce some results but not winning a wdc

[half atlas]

Ofc

[split ocean]

all comes down to car

[woeful rune]

yes!

[half atlas]

You need a great car to win the championship

But again to get in a good car you need to show why you deserve to be in the car

[woeful rune]

yes! car and fresh tire management is key

[split ocean]

Masi shouldn’t be the race director but something more junior

[half atlas]

Masi is a clown

[split ocean]

he seems to be fine but if under tremendous amount of press he makes terrible decisions

Like he doesn’t have the guts to stick to one decision

[half atlas]

Fia have been consistently inconsistent this season which is such a shame

[split ocean]

So he keeps switching between decision and cause confusion

[woeful rune]

yea! this championship is won by Lewis, i am pretty sure Max would not call it a triumph victory, its such a lame championship trophy, how can you look at that trophy and remember the final lap, since you were pushed forward for it by race control, such a shame

[half atlas]

Pretty sure max wouldnt think that

In the end he won

he will say karma for silverstone

[split ocean]

well there is the argument for both sides since both of them was pretty unlucky throughout the season

There is always a debating point for one driver

[woeful rune]

Max acted like he won a race and hence the championship like a hero, lmao! ....

[half atlas]

Theres no point arguin in this

People who wanna defend max will bring up silverstone and hungary

[woeful rune]

i am just talking about final 5 laps, however Lewis could have changed the soft tires himself to avoid all this, but in the bigger picture, race control took entire burdon of fans on their chest

[half atlas]

Lewis fans will bring up last lap

[split ocean]

well, He was unlucky in baku,british,hungary. Ham was unlucky abu dhabi, italy

[half atlas]

Italy both of em had dnf tbf

[split ocean]

I exclude wrong decisions like hungary for ham and spain for max

[woeful rune]

Silverstone and hungry has been remediated since both drivers were equal in last race, you can also bring Monza

[split ocean]

either way people are gonna argue with valid points

and that will turn into toxicity

[half atlas]

Yes but heres the thing there were 2 races where max was crashed out by a merc and lewis ended up on podium

[woeful rune]

when both drivers are at equal points for the last race, we need a spectacle, not race control decisions

[split ocean]

cuz ppl like being toxic

[half atlas]

Theres no point in arguing who ultimately deserved the championship

Cause both did

[split ocean]

yeah

[half atlas]

Max got lucky in end

He won

[split ocean]

Both had their fair share of unlucky/lucky

so no point arguing

That is gonna take us nowhere

[half atlas]

RB is prolly gonna build latifi a shrine

[woeful rune]

drivers colliding is a great spectacle, here we are talking race control deciding the outcome, point is the race was won by lewis on track with better Qualifying and race, and championship was awarded off track by Michael Massi, thats a problem for sport

[half atlas]

Silverstone wasnt a great spectacle at all

[split ocean]

hungary wasn’t a great spectacle when bottas and stroll wiped half the grid

[woeful rune]

at Silverstone, you do not give gap inside

[half atlas]

Man actually forgot to brake lmfao

Fuckinh bowled out everyone

[split ocean]

They braked but too late

[woeful rune]

haha!

[split ocean]

cuz it was wet

they braked like it was dry conditions

[woeful rune]

brake test drivers ahead of you, is a new thing, lol

[split ocean]

yes

Maybe they should try no braking

[half atlas]

That jeddah incident was race controls fault

No communication lmao

[split ocean]

but that front wing was made out of titanium

[chrome otter]

Max got justice in the end. For all the 💩 hamilton and Mercedes did to him this year.

[woeful rune]

mistakes in early season are fix-able, mistake in final 5 laps not so much, in the last race of any season, it is sensitive

[half atlas]

Oh yeah i wanted max to win anyway

[split ocean]

any mistakes shouldn’t have happened

[half atlas]

Was very happy he won

[opal galleon]

Cringe it has started again

[split ocean]

Bottas pov in hungary os funny
When norris brake, he was like oh I forgot to brake .
crashes

he braked after norris braked

[woeful rune]

Max is great and motivated person, and his dad alongside him is very encouraging for fans and community, but my love is for a race where drivers overtake and collide, not so much as if a match referee decides who gets the penalty kick or red card and completely manipulate the match. F1 made it look like, they gifted Max a championship in history books.

Arguably Lewis could have pit for softs.

[split ocean]

masi should have made the decision when latifi crashed not with one lap@left. He hesitated too much and this is the result

[chrome otter]

Look how many times max was screwed by stewards decisions this season and hamilton got a slap on the wrist or nothing.

[split ocean]

Time to leave before this starts getting toxic

[woeful rune]

yea! thats my point, i would have loved any driver winning.

[chrome otter]

Look at bigger picture and not just one race just because it was the last race

[woeful rune]

the weight of this race was 99% and the weight of the reast of the seaon was only 1%, since it was the final spectacle. both drivers were equal points, {{ since both drivers were equal points so only this race matters }}

rest of season does not matter when the last race is the deciding factor, {{ just like penalty kicks in soccer match }}

similarly if one team has been given 2 red cards, and match goes to penalty kicks, match minutes does not matter, only penalty kicks matter

[chrome otter]

No it wasn’t if hamilton was properly penalized in silverstone he would not even be in a position to fight for championship

[woeful rune]

does not matter, last race matter since both drivers were brioght to equal points, i dont believe

[opal galleon]

How can he be “properly” penalised. The rules are not clear enough which again points out that FIA is not clear enough.

There was no major violation of the rule by that move by Lewis I. Silverstone. So he can’t be punish hard.

[woeful rune]

FIA make money out of grey areas

[opal galleon]

Don’t blame the driver, blame the system…

[chrome otter]

Taking out a rival so he cant score points should be instant disqualification

[opal galleon]

Penalties in Jeddah, Austria 2 times, Silverstone, Abu Dhabi do I need to say more? The system ain’t right guys.

Don’t blame the driver

[woeful rune]

well, if Lewis had pushed Max for an accident in Silverstaone, he would have take time penalty. ok, dont think that Lewis caused Max accident in Silverstone and Race Control was gone fishing

[opal galleon]

You need to understand that your boy need to back off sometimes. This whole season Lewis was the one that back off.

If he didn’t back off that much it would be a lot more collision between them lol

[woeful rune]

Both drivers are not to blame, drivers do what they do on track, matter is when race control interferes between them and bring a desired result knowing the tires were freash and SOFTER in grip

[opal galleon]

You can clearly see Lewis braking and de throttle most of the time

[woeful rune]

behind safety car?

[split ocean]

lewis had a time 10 s penalty

[woeful rune]

yea! so drivers do what they do, it is racing and they get time penalty for that. matter is Referee being a noob

[opal galleon]

No most of the time when it’s about to get a collision Lewis is the one that dethrottle and try to steer away from the collision.

[chrome otter]

I agree and if max causes a incident where lewis cant score points he should be disqualified aswell.

[opal galleon]

People need to understand that max need to know when to back off.

Lewis on silverstone already backed off so many times

[woeful rune]

Race Control is weak at decision making, and causing fans a stupid race result, there is no man on planet who can say Max won it on his own.

[opal galleon]

Same applies to Abu Dhabi

If Lewis didn’t steer away

It would been a much bigger impact

But not enough damage it was slow so

[woeful rune]

If Max causes a collision or Perez takes down Lewis in last race, i do not call Max a real champ, i only care id drivers get equal chance at

[opal galleon]

You have seen many drivers dive in the inside on copse before. It’s not bizarre thing to do. The unfortunate is that one of them paid the prize. Lewis went for the gap, as Max always goes for the gap aswell.

[woeful rune]

that driving and racing, we love it.

[crisp heron]

😊

[woeful rune]

Race Control is my problem here

[opal galleon]

I think they should go back where principals didn’t have direct line to the control

[woeful rune]

racing and acident is what we are here to see, i love safe accidents on track, drivers collide is what we are here for

[split ocean]

If that happens, I think masi would do a much. better job

[woeful rune]

i actually liked what Peres did to slow Lewis down, but i dont like race control, my friend/s

[opal galleon]

The problem is there was just nooo way max should back off from that P1 in silverstone. But my point is the boy most of the time needs to understand when to back off.

He is like me in games lol, I push all the time go straight in like a brain dead player. And I paid the prize…

[split ocean]

silverstone was predominately ham’s fault but I think we can agree max is more aggresive than ham

sometimes overly aggresive

[woeful rune]

in Monza accident one of the drivers could have not ended in gravel, by luck! or bith might have continued with one driver with broken wing and ither with a puncture {{ THIS IS RACING }} ... a call from Michael Masi is {{ Not Racing }} Right ??

in Silverstone both could have gone broken, may be...

[opal galleon]

Yeah, but I don’t blame Lewis in silverstone for going for it. That’s the Senna way of thinking. If there a gap you go for it. Both max and Lewis this season went for all gaps as possible.

[woeful rune]

Michael Massi is my problem

[woeful rune]

I love when drivers go for it, no issue, i care less who gets a broken wing, because i love to see broken wings and pit stops, i pay for that.

[opal galleon]

Also it’s normal to go for that gap in copse.

[woeful rune]

we pay to watch race and collisions, we do not pay to listen to Michael massi BS

[opal galleon]

People pretend like it’s not normal

[split ocean]

Both silverstone and monza wasn’t as big of an accident as people play it to be (if not counting the aftermath of the crash)

[woeful rune]

A collision between Ferrari of Vettel and Charles in Brazil was great to see, my moneys worth. where does Michael Masi comes from and dictate who win a race ???? RIght?

[opal galleon]

It’s not big I agree only is that max got like 51g which is dangerous to have for a human body.

Like astronauts get max 7g when going to space

[split ocean]

both accidents were dangerois

[woeful rune]

RIP Race Control

[split ocean]

51 g is lethal but not going to cause death unless something happens with the car

[woeful rune]

An accident is good for sport and fans adrenaline!

[split ocean]

or u hit something

75g will kill u

[woeful rune]

interference by race control in last 10 minutes of season end is a disaster, regardless who wins a race. the race is compromised, money spend to watch the race is waste

[opal galleon]

Masi lacks confident in his role. He ain’t the right person.

Other people would have stick to their own guts

[woeful rune]

Fire Masi, so next time Race Control knows it

i dont mind Perez blocking Lewis, on track... right ?

but i mind off track manupulation

Perez blocking Lewis on track, is termed as on track action. Love it.

Same as blue flags, lmao!!! imagine no blue flags, haahh!

https://tenor.com/view/blue-flag-gif-23367850

[opal galleon]

If masi is to keep his job then the FIA needs to change alot of stuff so that they can’t be interfered with

[woeful rune]

Perez was the leader of race he is allowed to block Lewis because he has constructor points to gain

But Perez causing a collision with Lewis is once again a shame for Max to win in such way... imo (which never happened, but still an on track action, somewhat acceptable)

[woeful rune]

agree, totally agree. and the problem is if FIA accepts Masi gave the wrong call, then what's next, lol.... too confusing, a rematch, haha!

to conclude, if Lewis had gone in pits to cover max, Masi would not have been discussed... poor Masi

[opal galleon]

Nah there wouldn’t be a problem at all if he just let lapped car overtake in lap 55-56

[woeful rune]

yea! and double decision was also a shame, agree

made it look like a complete manipulation.... super shameful for a Billion dollar sport

Made it look like Max win due to race control, completely, surely. Max never won on his merit

[opal galleon]

But this sport has always been political. Someone always win by luck or not.

You could argue that Hamilton won his first WDC by luck too.

[half atlas]

is that glock

[split ocean]

Well, he made the decision too late

If he continued letting lapped cars ot,race would end under sc. And he would get flamed but maybe not as bad but he would def be flamed by the team bosses

[opal galleon]

You would have atleast 2lap left if he let the lapped cars overtake right away.

Instead they wasted that 2 lap for nothing

[crude kiln]

@woeful rune One thing we have to remember about final race as well tho is that Max's move on lap 1 when Lewis cut the corner was clean. So Lewis should had given the position back and maybe then the race had looked different as well.

[weak fern]

There was debris on track that needed to be removed and also be sure that no marshals are on the track and in their position

It's not simple to direct a race

You are all teaming against Masi/FIA because they "interfered" with the championship but at the same time want them to interfere giving penalties

You need to realize that whichever decision the FIA did take, the result of the backlash it's getting would have been the same

It's pointless

If Lewis won everybody would complain on all the times max got penalised

And now that max won everybody complains because Lewis got robbed

[opal galleon]

6 laps left and you decided to not let lapped cars overtake then took up to lap 56 until everything was cleared they took another lap under SC. Suddenly they change their decision.

Don’t act like they couldn’t do anything

If they didn’t hesitate it wouldn’t be a problem

[weak fern]

At 6 laps left the accident happened

Then you need to clear the car

Clear the debris

[opal galleon]

Yeah they used 4 out of 6 to clear everything omg

They had atleast 2 lap to do anything.

[weak fern]

Check the guard rails if they need to be replaced/repaired

[opal galleon]

And they wasted another 1 lap.

[weak fern]

No they didn't have time that's why they cleared only 5 lapped cars

And in a hurry restarted only the last lap

If that was a normal race it would have ended under sc

But because all the teams agreed to do everything possible to end race under green flag they did things like this

For me the best solution would have been to red flag the race when Latifi crashed

And have a 6 laps shoot out

Like in Baku

[lusty hornet]

Masi said on Saturday he wouldn’t red flag a crash at that corner though so he would’ve gone back on himself even more

I agree it would’ve been better though

[crude kiln]

3 changes I'd like to see for next season:

1 - Crashes: Caused by other drivers shouldn't count when it comes to the spending cap for the teams. Also shouldn't count if the engine breaks so the crash caused by another driver means they get a penalty. Also the punishment should fit the crime. Mercs gained MASSIVELY from taking out the Red Bulls 2 races in a row since the penalty rules were so mild.

2 - Red flag if SC comes and is still out within 5 laps to go.

3 - Don't allow the teams to contact the stewards trying to influence them about SC's etc. Should be a one way channel were Masi (or his replacement 🙈) contacts the teams instead to hear their views. The videos of Toto going back and forward shouting at Masi in his headset looked as natural to him as breathing, sadly.

[supple flower]

I think I heard 3 was going to be implemented, not quite sure tho but would be great

[opaque crest]

Agree with all these.

Already heard that there's discussions going on to make it 1 way so team managers can't do what they've done this season

[opal galleon]

I don’t agree with the first one.

If you think about the idea it’s good one

But actually using the idea is not going to work there is always a dilemma with that idea

[crude kiln]

Glad to hear!

[jaunty cave]

I would agree with them. Crashes is often harder to enforce in terms of punishment as you don't want aggressive racing punished but reckless driving needs a harsher punishment.

On point 3 I like the football structure with a referee on the touchline. So teams can put views to that person but no contact direct

[crude kiln]

Which part don'tvyou agree with? Was kinda 3 parts in 1 😆 Or you don't think any of them could work?

[opal galleon]

The idea is good but it’s always going to have an dilemma

If you take those teams that already struggles a lot like Haas crash into Williams. Haas don’t have that money…..

Which means less chance for them to use their money on something good

And you know those teams that always end the races under top 10. Causes a lot of collisions.

[crude kiln]

I personally don't think harder punishments would hinder good racing. These guys are racers regardless. But feels there's gotta be a way to be a bit more flexible with the penalties if one drivers is deemed at fault and it has bad consequences.

[opal galleon]

“The punishment should fit the crime”

The rules ain’t clear enough

So I don’t think the first idea will work

Too much dilemma

[crude kiln]

I never said HAAS should pay for Williams if they crash Williams tho. I said the cost for Williams to repair their car shouldn't count towards the cost cap all teams have.

Maybe easier just to not include crashes in the cost cap at all?

[opal galleon]

Haas and Williams was an example…

Also the cost gap is there for a reason…

The first idea is split into 3 btw.

You said “punishment for the crime”

If you don’t include crashes into the cost gap then the cost gap is useless. Since then all the money goes to developing… and the whole point of it is that the teams get the same gap. If the gap is 150mil to use and there is no gap for crashes then big teams that has a lot of money can just push to the limit to the gap and use that money for developing.

There is then no fear of paying extra to fix the car…

[crude kiln]

Doesn't matter if was an example or not. Teams shouldn't have to suffer cuz of a cost cap if others crash them. It shouldn't count then.

[opal galleon]

And that’s why I say it’s a good idea but I don’t think it will work..

Then it’s better to take off the cost gap itself

[crude kiln]

Crashes cost alooot tho and is a risk, so I doubt ppl would wanna crash more or "use" the fact it doesn't count 😅

[jaunty cave]

I think points penalties should be used more often. Drivers and teams often have sponsorship linked to performance. 5 second penalties etc don't have the impact anymore. Could be up to 50 or 75% of your race points

[opal galleon]

Agree

[formal kelp]

assigning fault or degrees of fault to incidents when it comes to budget is gonna be hugely biased and people will complain, better to just not touch it... "HE PUSHED ME WIDE AND WE WENT OVER A CURB AND OUR WING HAS MICROFRACTURES IN IT NOW"

I like the idea of getting rekt with a % of your points you gained in said race, makes punishment fit the benefit more appropriately

although could lead to some weird gamesmanship and team orders, but w/e

"you just ruined this guy's race who was likely to score X points, any points you score up to X are now 0, get rekt"

[foggy cipher]

Poor latifi is getting shitted on by toxic fans and Bri ish press

[opal galleon]

I haven’t seen any negativity actually?

Only funny memes

You must be a instagram and Twitter guy

[woeful rune]

no fault of latifi, lol, just an accident... Media be like Media news sellers

[woeful rune]

Yea! i 100% agree that Max made the cleanest move and obviously did not leave room for Lewis, which i believe was a great sporting move by Max, lewis should have backed up and stayed on track behind Max, i wonder why the hell Lewis was not given order to give place back immidiately. Lewis was overtaken and should have stayed on track and backed the throttle up. 100% 100%

[opal galleon]

Lol that’s one of the cleanest move I have seen Max done agains lewis. Often it’s near collision xD

[foggy cipher]

he deleted his last ig post cuz there was so much hate

[woeful rune]

i do believe Lewis thinks he is superior driver, But Lewis is getting old and his days are numbered, Lewis have 2 choices from this point Leave F1 as a champion or stay with as Vettel/Alonso/Kimi as a support driver. reason its time for Max Russel Leclerc Lando Gasly and Sainz battle to begin, Lewis and vettel era seems to be over now

[opal galleon]

What platform?

[foggy cipher]

instagram

[opal galleon]

Lmao what are you even saying 😂 no one has been this close to beat Lewis. It’s going to take him couple of more years to retire lmao.

[opal galleon]

I knew… lol

[foggy cipher]

lewis will prolly still have a top car next year and in 2023 but if he cant be world champ next year, he's over

[woeful rune]

yea

[opal galleon]

It’s always in Ig and Twitter the 💩happens

That’s why I just knew it gotta be one of them xD

[woeful rune]

If Lewis have 10 Titles in his head, only God can save F1, hahaha! 😅

[foggy cipher]

yeah will the bri ish press has been horrible too, they are worse than toxic twitter fans

[woeful rune]

rather ignore what media says, we seen the race with our eyes

[opal galleon]

Idk what you mean by British people. I have spoken a lot of British people and they acknowledge Max as the winner.

Even many British people that follow football and all that praise the winner

British people are very competitive as soon as they lose they praise the winner. You just look at the negativity.

[foggy cipher]

sayin the press

[opal galleon]

But either way it’s IG so nothing much really

Just a normal Ig experience with tons of bad people xD

[opaque crest]

Saw this too. Interesting decision. Don't blame them though

[foggy cipher]

ridicule

[opaque crest]

Even F1s tweets about esports are getting comments about the farce on Sunday lol

[foggy cipher]

they really need to move on now

[opal galleon]

so stop browsing thru social media

this sound like a "you" problem

I dont look into it so much so no problem for me and secondly why should I care about whats done is done xD

[opaque crest]

FIA blaming fans 😂

[foggy cipher]

i just mean that people dont accept the results is ridiculous

[opaque crest]

I think people just want to know it'll change for next year so we don't get the same situation

[foggy cipher]

i mean in the end if the cars didnt pass the safety car, they would have been blue flagged and there would have been the same outcome

[opaque crest]

Meh not necessarily. Lewis would have built a bit more of a gap and might have had enough space once Max got past

[opal galleon]

yet again. They all suck.

Now move on 😄

[foggy cipher]

no they dont all suck

there is

[opal galleon]

uh?

[foggy cipher]

mazepin

[opal galleon]

hahah

[foggy cipher]

top 1 drriver

[opal galleon]

you got me there for a second xD

[crude kiln]

The Super Max song was 2nd on UK Top 50 chart on Spotify, which I thought was a bit funny 😅

[opal galleon]

just pure sad that a team in F1 couldnt even have both drivers in a grand prix

[opal galleon]

I got the song many place hehe and many memes

[foggy cipher]

super max song is great

[opal galleon]

Haas couldnt even use both cars for 2022 testing in abu dhabi this week

[foggy cipher]

what about williams then 😹

[opal galleon]

they used both cars

[opaque crest]

Did Lewis test? Only seen Russell in the merc so far

[foggy cipher]

lewis too busy becoming a knight

[opal galleon]

I heard he was there for testing but Yeah I didnt see him aswell

[opal galleon]

I saw the pick but was he not already knighted by the Queen?

I am not british so idk how that works?

[foggy cipher]

he was a sir

[opal galleon]

yeah?

[foggy cipher]

knight is a bit more i think

[opal galleon]

explain yourself for a non brit xD

[opaque crest]

Think he was already a Knight but hadn't had it done officially

Probably before was just an OBE (think that's the right way round)

[opal galleon]

I mean

He has already done alot of 2022 test

[opaque crest]

BBC News - What's the difference between OBE, MBE and CBE?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/30641853

[opal galleon]

The cars on Abu dhabi is just a older version and 2021 car with suited for 2022 regulation. So he didnt particulary missed whole alot for not being on the test.

[foggy cipher]

robert swhartzman got to drive a ferrari and the immense priviledge of driving the haas 🔥

[opal galleon]

I am so excited for the new tyres.

[opaque crest]

He doesn't look like himself in the videos/pics I've seen of him there.

[opal galleon]

And when I saw the brakes goddamn

[opaque crest]

Excited for the new cars

[opal galleon]

They were huge....

[opal galleon]

no because I havent seen them yet

Only cars modified for 2022 regulation

[crude kiln]

I've been thinking of freezing myself till the cars get revealed at least 😆

[opaque crest]

Just meant if they do what they're meant to it'll be exciting

[opal galleon]

Yeah I agree, feel like I saw a different Lewis.

[opal galleon]

its too many months.....

[crude kiln]

Cartman did it and woke up hundreds if not thousands of years in the future when he couldn't wait for the Nintendo Wii...

[opal galleon]

😄

I mean I have tons of stuff to watch either way

Like I have Europa Leauge and Champions Leauge. On netflix, cobra kai s4 is coming out, DTS s4 is coming out, Disney + Boba fett and Hawkeye coming out

[foggy cipher]

dts without max

😩

they gonna make him look like an evil dude

[opal galleon]

Nah

I think they just not going to have an episode about him

[foggy cipher]

well they cant

[opal galleon]

They cant have an episode about him without having the permission from the person.

[foggy cipher]

he was at the center of this year

he wqs the main star

and i hope carlos gets the recognition he deserves

[opal galleon]

But Yeah I understand why he went out of DTs

I have seen many critics about DTS at first I didnt see why it was bad

But the series are "sertified" documentary which they are not. Most of it is fake....

[thin jewel]

fr

hes been amazing

[crude kiln]

I feel ya, have too much to watch as well 😅

[sharp sigil]

williams didnt even join to test 18ince tires

[opal galleon]

didnt talked about them?

[sharp sigil]

oh werent the above talking about haas or williams didnt have 2 drivers or smth

[opal galleon]

I said Haas

Why should I mention williams when they were not participating

[thin jewel]

lmao

[opal galleon]

I replied to the same quote I typed

I entered and then someone asked that question

[woeful rune]

@mystic aurora can i post a youtube link to Max celebration ?

[mystic aurora]

Yup. That would be cool

[woeful rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1boLl6b1vfc

Driving a Honda car, lol

That color is making it look like a Lambo, though!

[thin jewel]

apparently he partied until 7 in the morning lmao

[sharp sigil]

dude thats the iconic honda nsx

recognize some road cars plz

[opal galleon]

I saw couple of pictures of that car I was thinking where is the Honda? That is a Lambo…. When I looked properly and it was an Honda.

[vapid quarry]

NSX.. sold in US as Acura NXS. I believe in EU as Honda NSX.. That car is a beast

[opal galleon]

What’s the difference?

[vapid quarry]

No difference. The people in US don't consider Honda as a premium brand. So Honda rebadges them as Acura and sell the same thing at much higher price. 😂

[opal galleon]

Lol

Well you got Us there…..

Nooo way eu fools for that ha

[sharp sigil]

nah not really, there is quite a lot of difference

Honda created Acura earlier than Lexus of Toyota and Inifiniti of Nissan. Honda started it first.

Significantly less models with upgraded interior + exterior design but same engine same chassis etc. Acura SUVs are much better than Hondas

Just to show a contrast, the design philosophy behind the two brands are different

The main purpose of acura is to provide left hand drive, and becuz we have differnet airbag and restraint systems requirements (very different from most of the other parts of world

[steel nexus]

Acura is primarily branded for North America and Mexico. The only right hand drive Acuras would be sold in China.

[opal galleon]

I am shocked they didn’t pass this thru CAS

FIA probably force them to do something.

[chrome otter]

Finally some common sense by mercedes

[crude kiln]

They didn't really have a case tho and have been said they don't wait to drag this on and taint the image of F1 further as well.

But good statements, as expected.

[opal galleon]

This would have taken atleast 6 months

Haas appeal took like 4months this is bigger, if they went thru this. It would damage the sport even more and FIA look dirty.

The positive about them withdrawing from this appeal is FIA don’t look dirty as they should. But it tarnish the sport if they go thru.

[crude kiln]

Rule 15.3 also kinda keeps FIA's back clear so would had been hard to change the result afterwards. But sth good will most likely come to this so they start overseeing this and more rules. Is room for improvement.

[opal galleon]

I like one of the statement where they have talked thru fia and fia has the responsibility to build up a better F1

So I am expecting changes. I am expecting more from FIA now

[heady sonnet]

Actually a good way out with some dignity

Please let this lead to clearer rules

No gray zones and interpretations

Just one last jab at all the haters

What happened to the “Lewis will be champion after CAS decides” 😉

[crisp heron]

Sir Lewis Hamilton :]

[jaunty cave]

There was 0 chance even if they appeled

[heady sonnet]

I know, but they were so confident that it was basically a done deal.

[opal galleon]

They got a deal in the background

They dont withdraw from a appeal like this.

So they must have gotten a deal in the background

[weak fern]

Mercedes withdrew the appeal because the FIA will open a internal investigation on what happened with the goal to improve rules

[sharp sigil]

funny how there is a rule basically just let the race director override all the other rules

[opal galleon]

It does not make sense

Like there is rules and rule to override the rule?

Basically means there is no rules???

[naive python]

Bernie Ecclestone dreamt up that rule for FIA . For the unforeseen circumstances he says 🤔

While Max Mosley drafted it with legal text quite a few years ago now! 🤨

[vapid quarry]

Dude, my comment was for NSX only. No difference in that car beside the badge. And, it will be very difficult to sell that car for $150K+ with a Honda badge in US. Brand image is required to sell a product at a permium price. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend any Acura owners. It does have more beautifully designed sporty cars compared to Honda even though the chassis, platform and some components are shared.

[jaunty cave]

@Gavitron#6775 how you doing today?

[velvet robin]

merc withdrew appeal

hopefully FIA fixes their inconsistencies next season, gonna overshadow this championship for a long time, and big time max haters will forever say that the title is undeserved due to the last race incident.

[half atlas]

Haters will find a reason to say so either way

[velvet robin]

true, but true race fans know lewis was robbed in the final race, and max was the better driver throughout the season until the last few races.

[crude kiln]

Yep Lewis was robbed but many seem to forget the lap 1 incident where Lewis should had given the place back. Race might had looked different then. And would had been interesting to see how annoyed the other side would had been if the race had ended under SC instead since they had decided to avoid that.

So for me it feels like it was a lose/lose situation regardless how it had ended.

[velvet robin]

with how the merc car was that day even if lewis let him through he would catch in no time

and it was precedent from brazil, so another FIA problem

either way FIA needs to be fixed

[crude kiln]

Yeah but who knows. Not the easiest track to OT on. Max would most likely had pitted earlier first stint and kept the lead. But sadly we'll never know.

[velvet robin]

100%.

[jaunty cave]

Hello

[jaunty cave]

Hi

[sonic plank]

wow, merc withdrew their appeal even though they believed they had very strong legal ground and could have won in court

ill bet you my top dollar red bull would have gone through the appeal and continued

[foggy cipher]

they also withdrew it because fia is launching an investigation

even tho it wont change anything about the result

max has the world champion trophy in his hands rn

🤑

[opal galleon]

Congrats Mercedes and Max

[opaque crest]

There's definitely some behind the scenes deal gone on. Merc wouldn't have pulled out otherwise. This story will keep going until the start of the new season.

[opal galleon]

Both Mercedes’ and FIA looks like clowns if this had to gone thru, even a small case from Haas was 4month. This was much bigger it def gonna be more than 6months. If this went thru it will tarnish the sport and credibility. So they definitely agreed somewhere in the background.

Either way congrats to all winners!

FIA is getting a new president aswell so it’s going to be new leadership, expected changes! Hope things will be better in the future!

[velvet robin]

I’m hoping merc turns the situation into a fix the FIA in F1, get things consistent, get rid of masi, etc

Hearing all the radios of teams during that situation shows how awfully it was handled, nobody knew what was going on.

[velvet robin]

FIA launching investigation into what

Itself, masi, like what specific thing

[opal galleon]

According to Toto they have reach an agreement between F1 and FIA. They will use those coming months together with Mercedes. To look for grey areas, specify rules more, be more consistent. Also there is a new FIA president being elected coming days. This is what the FIA president said during the FIA award couple of hours ago. At the same time Ross Brawn the director for F1 are planning on banning straight radio calls to Race director. But they want to ban that but also still give the access to viewers to know what's happening, ads more drama etc.

[sharp sigil]

FIA already confirmed no more race director direct communication with team principles i believe

lol right giving a lot of access to viewers to add more drama, I hate how my screen is full of all the other stuff rn when watching races

i don't need you AI calculations to fuxking tell me overtake happening in 2 laps

[velvet robin]

Can they ban masi as well

And I like the AI calculations, very cool analytics stuff

[tribal vale]

drops this and runs

[sharp sigil]

F1 finally removes MGU-H

good move and 350kW of power is crazyy

[foggy cipher]

Lewis fans are t ready to see this 😹🧂

[opal galleon]

2022 gonna be interesting, FIA going to be under new leadership and board. New regulations and rules, new car, new drivers incoming, new tracks.

[half atlas]

Miami is the only new track right?

[opal galleon]

I think so

[opal galleon]

https://www.fia.com/news/mohammed-ben-sulayem-elected-fia-president

[opaque crest]

Anyone know much about him? Will he change much?

[sharp sigil]

14 time rally champ

[jaunty cave]

Hamilto or Versrappen

[opaque crest]

New president said this, "rules are rules." 😂

[lusty hornet]

He didn’t win anything why’s he gotta be there ?

He was getting a knighthood back jn the uk 🥴🥴I know where I’d rather be

[opaque crest]

Apparently it's a rule that the top 3 have to attend

[lusty hornet]

Very odd

[velvet robin]

i don't blame him not going to the gala after the shambolic final

[opal galleon]

Actually he did win something

He won 2021 personality award. Like big stuff you have done for the sport you are in.

[wind aspen]

2020

[elfin barn]

Go

C

It

[foggy cipher]

bernie back in the biz

[heady sonnet]

How?

[foggy cipher]

his wife is fia vice president

[slate hamlet]

Best driver in the world

[foggy cipher]

📠

[opal galleon]

If Ferrari looks like that next year omg it’s sexy!

[silent vortex]

So smooth 🥵

[opal galleon]

I just found this image, if cars actually looks like that next season I might rethink. They look good

[sturdy mist]

Ah that fat nose of ferrari's has gone for good

[opal galleon]

:d

[jaunty cave]

Ferrari bad now

Their car is so slow

Max is best driver

Hamilton: Emotionally scarred by experienced. He will never get over it😆

[sonic plank]

you meant to say gifted champion

[opal galleon]

dont start

its just cringe

[sonic plank]

noone's talking to you

[gilded topaz]

Max the best

[heady sonnet]

Poor Ham fans still can’t get over it. Even Mercedes and Ham are moving on, but our friends not 😂😂😂

[opal galleon]

no one is actually moaing about it. but there is so many people keep bragging it inn.

[heady sonnet]

Look 2 messages above

[crude kiln]

I'd say it's more the opposite tbh on YT and IG where I check 😅 But both sides are cringe at this point, as you say

[opal galleon]

1 is about "max is the best" how is that "ham fans"

second is "gifted champ"

that applies for both sides...

[opal galleon]

Thats how I see it and people keep blaiming that side and the other side...

[opaque crest]

The season is over, we've all had our say and opinions. Agree with Svally and Boba, let's move on and hope for better in 2022!

[opaque crest]

It was Max fans that came on and said Ham was "emotionally scarred and will never get over it" and "Max is the best" Not sure how that's Ham fans 🤷‍♂️

[opal galleon]

Svålly

[heady sonnet]

I actually didn’t see that one. It’s just as wrong

[opaque crest]

Sorry!

[opal galleon]

¨-.-

xD that Å = AA, I like that Å to feel special.

[jaunty cave]

Hey guys

Im so happy i got alonso

[opal galleon]

This is not the channel for the game btw… this is for real F1

[leaden dawn]

[west mica]

Rules are rules. Unless, you know, we don’t want to follow them. Then, that’s up to the Race Director. But otherwise … rules are rules.

[west mica]

Max is a deserving champion. Nobody who knows F1 could argue that he had one of the most incredible seasons ever. I’m not a fan of his, but there is no arguing against his performance.

But Hamilton was robbed, for sure.

[dull path]

Хэмилтон или Ферстаппен?

[thin jewel]

fax

[wild anchor]

Is anyone else like still really bothered by what happened, I'm not mad at Lewis losing its the circumstance that led to the loss its still really bothering me and Idk why 🤣

[opal galleon]

It’s bothering you because you can’t accept what happend. Move on.

[foggy cipher]

Lmao fr

[tribal vale]

Imagine if Lewis retires because of it... Heads are going to EXPLODE!

[crude kiln]

Heavily doubt he would do that.

[opal galleon]

I don’t understand with so many expect him to retire. People forget he just signed a 2 year deal in august? You can’t just walk away from contract. You gotta terminate it, that usually cost a lot depending on how much you’re going to get…..

[crude kiln]

Yeah I have no idea why some fans and media are going with this rumour or what to call it 😅

[heady sonnet]

Slow news period, they have to write about something

[golden trail]

Hello

[jaunty cave]

DO YOU THINK FIA's DECISION TO REDUCE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HAMILTON AND VERSTAPPEN IN F1 2021 WAS RIGHT?

[opal galleon]

Yes if everybody was given the same oppurtonity, FIA shuut the door for everyone expect Mercedes and RedBull. Looks like Red Bull was the only one that benefitted for this. Sainz didnt even get the chance to get P2 or P1. Every other car got messed up in the mid section.

[jaunty cave]

They did shut doors for mercedes too

in a way

Like, hamilton had a lead of arounf 11 seconds

around*

Which was destroyed by FIA 🤣

[steel ocean]

[jaunty cave]

🆚

(11 seconds behind): 😭
: 😄
🇫 🇮 🇦 : Make them both battle together at the same time
: 🤬
: Sure
XDDDD

[frail osprey]

That doesn't matter with retirements, contracts are only active when the individual is active

[opal galleon]

ït matters, if it dont say he is retiring anytime soon, then he gotta pay for that termination

contract is contract you cant walk away from it

[frail osprey]

You can if you retire, its the same in any sporting contract. As I said, it only remains contractual if Hamilton is active.

Otherwise athletes would be forced to compete which would create a huge sh!tstorm legally

[opal galleon]

ok but either way its bias that he will retire. Not a chance. His motto is "never give you" he have showed many times that he aint a giverupper. He is also strong mentally.

[frail osprey]

I agree he won't retire, I was just pointing out it's possible 😊

[opal galleon]

Understood

😄

[serene zenith]

[dawn condor]

[frail osprey]

[opal galleon]

[jaunty cave]

Checo is a legend

[crude kiln]

Having to pay for terminating a contract or not, few ppl would walk away from the potential $60m he seems to make in a season (seen everything from 30-60).

[frail osprey]

With the money he has in assets and investments into fashion etc, I doubt that $60m would be missed too much with how much dedication both time wise & lifestyle wise he has to put into F1. It's definitely more records than money for LH at this point

[crude kiln]

I believe he wants the records as well, but such a wealthy person with the investments you mention isn't the most likely person to walk away from 30-60m $. How strange that might sound 😅

[pseudo dagger]

[opal galleon]

He don’t get 60m due to the budget cap. Last year Lewis was dealing with lawyers to get a new contract. They used 3 months to get a deal and the theme was Lewis was getting too much money. Daimler didn’t want that so I doubt his 2 year deal is around that.

[crude kiln]

Yeah I said I've seen 30-60. That's another reason as well why I don't think he would just walk away after spending so much efforts to getting the contract, which is regardless the best paid in F1 for sure.

[foggy cipher]

Nico walked away from 100m

A heart broken Lewis could leave f1