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[velvet robin]

FIA needs to be more strict with the rules

[sharp sigil]

this incident is rly miscommunication

[velvet robin]

they've let hamilton verstappen get violent at times

[crude kiln]

Glad you can be non-biased enough in that case to admit that! Many struggled to.

[opal galleon]

This gp LEL

[velvet robin]

i'm rooting for hamilton but i'm not blind lol

[sharp sigil]

proper way of letting ham pass should going over drs zone on the straight then slow down at corner

[opal galleon]

Did he get a penalty?

[velvet robin]

at silverstone yes

[sharp sigil]

he got 5s

[opal galleon]

ah yes desreved

[velvet robin]

we're talking about other races

it was a 10s

[opal galleon]

yeah that wa his mistakes

[formal kelp]

I think Hamilton is a phony and max is a dbag but they're both obviously very good, I don't care who wins

[sharp sigil]

but the leading one was charles who was slow like a turtle compared to merc

[sharp sigil]

yes 10s mb

[crude kiln]

10s but still benefited massively from it and cost RBR alot of money towards the budget cap. Really wish they would look over these penalties.

[velvet robin]

i got into F1 this year watching drive to survive n stuff (from america)

[opal galleon]

damn

[velvet robin]

and I thought max was very young and good, didn't realize he came in so early

[opal galleon]

dont mention DTS

so many DTS haters

@velvet robin

[velvet robin]

max hates DTS lol

but its so good for F1 and getting fans around the world

[sharp sigil]

if lewis took himself out, it would be a grid drop. But if a driver stays on track it has to be time penaly. No way u apply penaly for future races lol

[opal galleon]

agree

[velvet robin]

I don't see miami getting a circuit without it

aren't they looking at vegas again too

[crude kiln]

Yeah like Max. His grid pen was worse than the 10s in that scenario.

[sharp sigil]

miami contract already signed tho?

[formal kelp]

There's no room in Miami for a dedicated circuit

It's gonna be a street track

[velvet robin]

when was contract signed

what i'm trying to say is DTS has gotten a ton of americans interested and on board

like me 😄

[heady sonnet]

They even showed the track

It’s on a parking lot actually 😂

[crude kiln]

Max has felt like the fastest on the grid for quite many years now, but Lewis has been much more stable. Despite making some mistakes this season tho. We all saw today hiw crazy Max can be still 😅

[sharp sigil]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.miami-grand-prix-to-join-f1-calendar-in-2022.44Dqc0CfhQzb7bb7MIjkqX.html

[velvet robin]

max has shown such good pace but yeah he lost his head today

[opal galleon]

DTS is acvtuallt good but alot of it is fake and that what annoys people

[sharp sigil]

better than jeeeeeddddahhhh

[formal kelp]

Autocross with cones, grand prix Miami LUL

[velvet robin]

@sharp sigil so yeah DTS def influenced it coming to america

3 seasons before the announcement

[crude kiln]

Feels clear he doesn't care if they crash, while Lewis has more to lose then.

[velvet robin]

yeah which I don't like not gonna lie

[sharp sigil]

thats the advantage u have leading championship

[formal kelp]

Max is playing it perfectly from a game theory perspective. He should make Lewis avoid him at every opportunity

[heady sonnet]

😂

[velvet robin]

if Merc gets a front row lockout...

[sharp sigil]

he could have done worse if he want HAM out

[velvet robin]

in abu dhabi

bottas will be a dummy

just playing with verstappen

[uneven silo]

and hammy wammy will win

[sharp sigil]

max supper aggressive in t1 next race

[velvet robin]

how many points is merc ahead in constructors now

[formal kelp]

Too many

[jaunty cave]

Max is an elite driver. But just seems to not always keep a cool head. If he can improve on the mental side he will dominate the sport. If not..he will struggle to win a WDC.

[velvet robin]

yeah i'm worried theres gonna be a big crash

[crude kiln]

Lewis has had his fair share of that as well tho. Raced dirty against Nico for 3 seasons. And we saw today how dirty he can be before the restart.

[sharp sigil]

around 40+

[velvet robin]

what was dirty he did today?

[velvet robin]

ok so yeah they can use bottas as a slowstappen ploy

[formal kelp]

Constructors is over unless yuki divebombs both mercs in turn 1 and DNFs them

[heady sonnet]

10 car lengths on the restart

[velvet robin]

i wouldn't be shocked

[velvet robin]

that a rule?

[uneven silo]

same here

seing what he did to vettel

[sharp sigil]

same as before, dive deep in T1

[velvet robin]

hamilton?

[sharp sigil]

Max

[velvet robin]

talking about hamilton

[sharp sigil]

max T1 is always crazy

[heady sonnet]

It is, but they are spinning it like it’s not a formation lap on the restart

[crude kiln]

He went super slow before the restart so Max's tyres would get cold while he stood there and waited for the rest.

[sharp sigil]

HAM is playing very safe today, he backed out early in both race restart

[uneven silo]

thats just playing smart

[sharp sigil]

he knows he has to at least get some points rather than dnf

[sharp sigil]

but wasnt there rule for within 10 car length

how far was lewis behind

[uneven silo]

twas 10

[crude kiln]

Idk, I just don't like this dirty stuff Merc has done this season like that. Don't like it in any sport.

[uneven silo]

yeah they were about 5 car lengths behind

for some parts

[heady sonnet]

It was a bit more I believe

[sharp sigil]

RB doing same both team doing same, off track drama even more tense

fighting a champion

[uneven silo]

as in like less than five or more

[loud jolt]

You know they had a good question in the post race interview and asked why Lewis slowed down instead of passing Max if they were still racing at that point

[sharp sigil]

https://twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1467589067953033228?t=h1jsFPXE1Z-Qr1XGn6Hcvg&s=19

WTF1 (@wtf1official)

Lewis Hamilton summoned to the stewards too!

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Twitter · Dec 5, 2021, 8:17 PM

Penaly incoming for HAM?

[uneven silo]

maybe maybe

seeing as how the fia have treated him though i doubt it

[loud jolt]

Something's up because Lewis had no reason to slow down if he didn't know max was letting him pass

[uneven silo]

yeah but there was little room

as well

just saying

[loud jolt]

Lewis "didn't know" I should say

[uneven silo]

yeah

i have to say though, when you watch it again max swerves slightly to the left to cover ham

[woeful rune]

Champion of 2021? Emoji Vote, please!

Whose gonna score more points in next race (Lewis/Max)?

[agile mist]

Both crash, mazepin wins, everyone except mazepin gets disqualified from the season and Mazepin is world champion

[tawny lark]

What does this tell you?

Looks like there is 100 breaking before the collision, no?

[agile mist]

if it was readble i could say something from it

but now not

[woeful rune]

clear break test, Felippe Massa said in commentary 5 seconds is small, should have been 10 seconds, lmao!

https://tenor.com/view/lewis-this-is-funny-lewi-ocean-this-is-gif-21762602

baby Max: learning break test

[split ocean]

meh,wouldnt make a difference anyway.Ocon was 14 behind

[heady sonnet]

The 5 sec was for turn 1

[tawny lark]

Apparently Bot would be at +0,706 sec behind Ver After the time penalities

He got 10 sec for brake testing

[heady sonnet]

Did he?

F1.com says nothing

[tawny lark]

Yes

[heady sonnet]

What about the 10 car lengths during race restart ?

[heady sonnet]

Or that’s all good because it’s Ham after all

[tawny lark]

Clarified during the race by Michael

[heady sonnet]

The so called “ this is not formation lap” ?

Come on, That’s clearly a gray area

[sturdy mist]

Max handed a 10 second penalty for the collision

That's pure cheating

[heady sonnet]

Of course. He should be hanged after all for following team orders

So he got blocked by Bottas once, Ham slowed down a lot (leaving more than 10 car lengths) on the race restart in a “not a formation lap” - and that’s fine. And when he gives back the place and clearly miscommunication(as Ham himself even acknowledged) - “just 10 seconds? That’s cheating” 😂

[sturdy mist]

Doesn't surprise me, mafia have always been supporting mercedes

[opal galleon]

I don’t understand why people are mad, it don’t matter either way.

Max finish P2 either way, Lewis P1, happy ending lol

[heady sonnet]

It’s a slap on the wrist as I wrote somewhere else

[opal galleon]

It’s a slap to my bad 😆

Relax Abu Dhabi to the end yes

[opaque crest]

It's basically the FIA telling him off without it actually affecting anything, all good

Means we can have a race free from stupid penalties in Abu Dhabi

[heady sonnet]

For now!

[opal galleon]

I am excited for Abu Dhabi and it got redesign aswell so we don’t know 100% if it’s possible to overtake. Also in the pass it was stated that it was a Mercedes’ track. But it has never been like that, due to corners but we’ll see.

[heady sonnet]

Well F1 owners got what they wanted

(Was it liberty media btw?)

[opaque crest]

It'll be interesting to see new layout. Plus tracks that have supposedly been better for certain teams haven't been this year so it's pretty unknown

[heady sonnet]

Tie for the championship in the last race. All in for both - whoever ends higher will be champion. Can’t get Better than that

[opal galleon]

Yes

[opaque crest]

It's funny seeing comments on twitter, people literally saying the stewards are wrong and don't understand the telemetry data 😂

[heady sonnet]

Only if some Mercedes drama happens and the constructor championship is decided there also

Extremely unlikely though

[opal galleon]

I think Mercedes’ pretty much won the WCC

[heady sonnet]

Yeah

The chance is basically 0.000001%

[opaque crest]

Can't see RB overturning that point difference

[opal galleon]

Unless they got both cars dnf and RB get Top 4 both cars

Mercedes leads with like 40pts

[opaque crest]

Horner himself said drivers is more prestigious and the one they want so don't think they're too fussed

[opal galleon]

They gotta need 1-2 to win that WCC

[heady sonnet]

That’s why I said extremely unlikely

But hey, that would be a nice twist

[opaque crest]

I think Max and Lewis should start from the back of the grid in Abu Dhabi to make it more interesting

[heady sonnet]

Dethroning both Ham and Mercedes in the last race of the turbo era

[opal galleon]

Would be really cool in engendering world if Mercedes won the whole era

[heady sonnet]

They most likely will. They really have to screw up royally to lose that one

[opal galleon]

They only need 3more pts to secure that wcc

Then that 1-2 is not enough for rb

[heady sonnet]

I bet the odds for that are really high 😂😂😂

[opal galleon]

Rb got like idk 0.010%

Chance

[heady sonnet]

Here is the plan

[opal galleon]

That WDC is unknown we don’t know how Abu Dhabi is going to turn like

[heady sonnet]

Yuki takes our Bottas, Gasly takes out Ham

1-2 for RB

[opal galleon]

B team lol

Not possible Checo always gets screwed over somehow

[heady sonnet]

😂

Just like Bottas

[opal galleon]

Both so innocent

[heady sonnet]

I just pray George doesn’t become Bottas v2.0

Next season

[opal galleon]

Nah

I just can’t see that happens

The boi is so more than just mr Saturday

[heady sonnet]

He is

Definitely

But

“George it’s James”

[opal galleon]

Nah

George is not that type

He is a leader type

He just gotta proof it

[heady sonnet]

He can learn next year

But it’s a fine line after all 😦

Once you get in there, good luck coming out Q

[loud jolt]

Perez needs to step it up and help max. Max needs to q p1 Perez p2 and defend as best as he can

Gasly would be able to do it

[daring temple]

Ok im team Lewis, I love the boy, but god has Max made this season SO INTENSE!

Its a tie going into the final race, this is insane

[formal kelp]

what the deal with gasly? alphatauri really fell off mid year

they were battling for podiums

[frail osprey]

Basically no punishment for brake testing 🤮

[formal kelp]

its the last race of the season in the tightest fight in the history of formula 1 if you thought they would take a stand and magically do something you are out of your mind

[frail osprey]

I know, doesn't make it any less 🤮

Mid season that's an instant DSQ

But... Silverstone... 😴

[formal kelp]

its funny cause both drivers are perfectly suited for the role theyre in

max should absolutely be trying to wreck them both out and make lewis avoid, and lewis's racecraft may be the best of all time and he has to avoid kamikaze max to have a chance

[jaunty cave]

Hamilton crashing out Verstappen in GB 10s for Hamilton.. Hamilton crash in to Verstappen in SA 10s for Verstappen... Really FIA... Maybe you need to be consistent.

[opaque crest]

Telemetry shows Max "suddenly and erratically braked." No way anyone can argue its Lewis' fault they crashed

[jaunty cave]

I am not saying it isnt Max's fault, but the penalty is too big or the silverstons was too small.

[opal galleon]

In silverstone there was no direct violation of the rules. So it was kinda hard for them to give a suite penalty.

Direct I meant like driving off track get an advantage and not giving it back. That’s 5s right away. In the rulebook there was not so specific about Hamiltons case.

[crude kiln]

For me this is a situation where you can blame several people. Max, Lewis, FIA if they told RB before Merc - otherwise Merc for being slow to tell Lewis. Watching this I wonder what they both are doing, despite understanding the confusion and that both wanted to be behind at the DRS line. HAM not trusting VER probably played a small part as well. Very confusing situation for all involved and calling for one head is far too biased imo.

[opaque crest]

The penalty is irrelevant, doesn't affect anything lol

FIA mainly to blame, not giving information quick enough, Max to blame for not clearly giving space, Ham to blame for not overtaking.

Penalty fair as doesn't affect race/championship and means Max is warned about driving

[crude kiln]

Exactly. But for me it's weird giving one person the penalty when they all were to blame, most likely even the ones giving out the penalty 😅 But luckily it didn't effect the outcome and just like Brazil Lewis won anyway so what happened didn't change anything.

[opaque crest]

I think because of the braking data that showed he suddenly and significantly braked to actually cause the crash they had to do something. Otherwise you send a message that its OK to do. Just glad the penalty doesn't affect anything other than serve as a warning to not do it again.

[crude kiln]

Yeah but one can question as well if that alone caused the crash. You could see Lewis lingered behind for quite a while since he didn't want to overtake before the DRS detection. So I think that was the main reason both of them panicked and acted weird 😅 Both tried to gain as much as possible.

[jaunty cave]

It kinda does in compare to silverston

[opal galleon]

I think Lewis saw it coming. But maybe he was not ready to overtake then. Full confused, I blame race control.

[crude kiln]

In Lewis head I think it was a combination of 1: Mainly that he didn't want to OT before the DRS line. 2: He doesn't trust Max. 3: He hadn't received the message yet and wasn't sure.

Such as messy situation 😅 Hope it's forgotten about soon and doesn't happen again.

[opal galleon]

I mean he is clever though, he knows what’s going to happen. Plus max is wiierdoo, you never know when max just full sends it so I understand Lewis perspective hee.

[split ocean]

lewis thought that there was a vsc so he didn’t ot

since he wasn’t informed that max was gonna give the position

max wanted to give back the position but ham didn’t overtake so he accelerated
Also, max wouldn’t want to lose too much giving the position

it was a bloody mess

[crude kiln]

Yeah I understand them both. But I don't buy HAM's full on confusion act. Wouldn't had surprised me if he would had slotted in behind Max waiting for the DRS line even Max would had been licking the wall to the right. And Max at the same time trying to gain as well and also panicked.

[crude kiln]

Bloody mess for sure!

[opal galleon]

Yeah but Lewis knows what max trying to do. This was the same years back vs Alonso. When Alonso had drs and he wanted to overtake Lewis but Lewis slowed down so Lewis can overtake back. So Lewis definitely knew what going to happen. Just that instant break was weird.

[split ocean]

…overtake Lewis but Lewis slowed down so Lewis can overtake back. XD

[opal galleon]

Yeah clever, you can watch it on YouTube to understand.

[split ocean]

i mean the typo u made

[crude kiln]

Yep. Drivers are experts at this DRS thingy and know what they're doing. Bit funny none of them seem to want to admit it tho and play the full on confusion card 😅

[split ocean]

oh wait nvm

my brain can’t read english

[opal galleon]

In that perspective Lewis on gp yesterday was on same situation as Alonso back then,

[split ocean]

who wants to admit it lol. There is no benefit to admitting that

[crude kiln]

True 🙈 Well well, hoping for a clean final race.

[split ocean]

Bottas takes out ver, perez takes out ham. Mazepin wins the race

Both merc and rb get disqualified for what they pulled this season , ocon’s win doesn’t count, all points get wiped. There nikita mazepin champion of the world.

[sturdy moss]

I wonder how the stewards would have seen the incident if ham had punctured max tyre when they collided

[opal galleon]

But

How is that front wing still not destroyed

That front wing is a beast

[split ocean]

made out of titanium

[tawny sphinx]

Terrible race. The winner is almost irrelevant as he was picked by the stewards. Stupid and dangerous track should be taken off the calendar

[opal galleon]

Meanwhile

Look at the beautiful photo I took 🙂

[crude kiln]

True art!

[neat vigil]

I was just about to link that here

https://youtu.be/TVpi0SBUpws?t=803

I love the guys in the background lmao

[split ocean]

I want to see how many oceans of sea salt this channel would contain after abu dhabi

[neat vigil]

im happy either way honestly

[heady sonnet]

Plenty, no matter which way it goes

Especially if something happens during the race and it’s not a “pure” win

[neat vigil]

Only issue I have is with commentators having a huge bias towards hamilton lol

I'm English, and it's kinda jarring how they always try to interpret events to make max the bad guy

[heady sonnet]

It’s always been like this

Would be the same with any other one actually

George, Lando

[neat vigil]

but like "Max cut the corner" - "Well he was alongside him and will say he wasn't left space" - "But isn't that because he deliberately broke later, like in Brazil?!"

and ur just like????

he was alongside and didn't have any space xd

[opal galleon]

In what situation are you talking about here?

Where max went outside the track?

[split ocean]

ofc

It may be enough to fill the atlantic ocean

[neat vigil]

The highlights video, above, at like 11:10

[opal galleon]

the video is max 7min what you talking about ?

[jaunty cave]

Max is gonna win

100%

[cold pecan]

This is ridicolous

Max deserve

Wolff is not normal

[lusty hornet]

Can you watch the races live on f1 tv?

[mystic aurora]

Yes. With the higher tier package
You can also access driver onboarding cameras too

[lusty hornet]

Cool I have access on sky sports but I have MANY friends asking to watch the last race haha so I’ll recommend f1 tv 1 month package thanks

[opal galleon]

Really good to have F1 TV pro

[opal galleon]

Annual is best btw

Its a lot more expensive with monthly expect if you only sub for 1 month

[formal kelp]

lolz "yo you got a 10 second time penalty, take that!"

"why not 15?" ... "oh cause then itd do something"

[heady sonnet]

Quote from? Toto I’d assume

[hard isle]

I did not say anything

[jaunty cave]

Maybe because he IS the bad guy 🤷🏻‍♂️
He's such a bad loser, always going out limits when it comes to get overtaken

[blissful finch]

Lewis is a bad loser! He always blames the car, his team, the weather. Whatever it is, its not him.

[heady sonnet]

The real Toto 😉

[frail osprey]

Says a lot that someone like that came out gaining a lot of neutrals yesterday

[heady sonnet]

Yeah right, as if constant complaints (remember the red flag?) are a thing to be admired 🙂

[frail osprey]

My point isn't that Hamilton is admired, it's that Max tarnished himself badly yesterday. I'd say a good 90% of F1 fans wanted a new young champ this season, even neutrals swayed his side, but last night has seen a lot of those views change judging by the reaction

[zenith oriole]

i always hated ver but want him to win to just change things a little 😄

but i would be more happy if someone else was in play for title

[jaunty cave]

I'm talking about MV you answer about LH 🤷🏻‍♂️ childish dude
I'm only saying max is an ass, always behaving like an ass in races
I can understand people want some changes on the leaderboard, I do too... But not for Verstappen
If you want some comparison, I'm even not a super fan of LH but to me he deserves respect... MV doesn't

[blissful finch]

Max is an ass? Wtaf r u talking about man

[opaque crest]

I've seen a lot of people who were rooting for Max now switch to Lewis because of yesterday's race. They have no love for Lewis but feel Max was bad for the sport yesterday

[zenith oriole]

yes he is... he is little spoiled brat that needs slapping every time he opens his mouth 😄

[opaque crest]

Except Paul Di Resta, he absolutely hates Hamilton and always sides with Max

He even changed his story on TV to try and say the radio and video didn't match when it had come straight from F1 😂

[jaunty cave]

Ofc he is
I mean, I don't know him personaly in RL ofc, but for what we see from him he definitely is dude
He's arrogant, any time he's being overtaken his strat is the same... He doesn't even try to take properly next turn... He goes (too) wide and push the opponent even further so he can take advantage back, and when opponent try the same he complains, former pilots like Montoya or Villeneuve agree on that point
Another good example at monza... Whatever the situation is, whoever is in the other car, whoever is responsible, whatever your rivalry is, race is one thing, human is another... When you finish with a wheel on the head of your opponent... At least you check if he's ok...
So yes ... This Guy is a real ass for me

And dangerous on track ☝️

[heady sonnet]

When you see the guy with the wheel on the head trying to reverse and get out - everyone can safely assume they are ok

[jaunty cave]

I may be wrong but if I remember well he didn't even have a look

[heady sonnet]

He went right by him on the way to the pits. But that and the Silverstone crash are in the past already

[crude kiln]

Both Lewis and Max are asses. Difference is that Max isn't fake and trying to hide it. Think many dislike that about Lewis.

[jaunty cave]

And again ... I'm even not a Big Hamilton fan, i'd love some changes... But MV hater I do

And to talk about skills, I think MV should already be champ with the car he had all year long

[opaque crest]

They both need to take a look at themselves after this season and think about the example they're setting for others. Not good role models for future racers to be looking up to

[heady sonnet]

He should be - but don’t forget he got taken out once, he got crippled once more, he didn’t score when leading the whole race in Baku and the gap was made smaller by the red flag that Ham was complaining about so much at Imola (unlap himself, repair, change tyres and end up 2nd). By laps lead it would have been over long ago

[formal kelp]

yes if you dont know dutch culture, its very forward and direct and they say exactly what they think... i think it is refreshing, but yea lewis just feels so fake and cheesy... im sure theyre both real pieces of work

[crude kiln]

Max has also said that he is "different", so feels like he is well aware of that he isn't perfect socially etc. Maybe HAM is as well. HAM doesn't seem to have any friends among the drivers for example.

[heady sonnet]

Alonso is definitely not a fan of Ham

[jaunty cave]

Also don't forget a free 5 points advantage given for a 4 laps race at spa

[formal kelp]

hows it free? did he not qualify better?

if anything he missed out on an extra 5 points due to bad weather

[jaunty cave]

That's no sense , they shouldn't give points for that , ok he qualified better but what counts is race 🤷🏻‍♂️ give him 1 PT in that specific case if you want but teams have whole weekend strategies

[opaque crest]

That's just from their time together at McLaren when Alonso got upset Lewis was preferred over him

[opaque crest]

Max also said he's not fussed about winning the championship lol

[opal galleon]

Well alonso got broken apart on Lewis rookie year

Ofc he can’t like the guy then

[crude kiln]

Conveniently F1 switched to the tyres HAM had in GP2 the season before to that season 😅 Otherwise it would probably had looked a bit different.

[crude kiln]

He can try and tell himself that all he wants 😆

[opaque crest]

Didn't like it when he said that, so many drivers would give so much to be in his position, don't try and play it down

[opal galleon]

I mean a 2 time WDC getting beaten by rookie by a lot when it comes to points does not look great.

[crude kiln]

Also feels like a standard answer combined with trying to play mindgames with himself. Ofc he cares. Alot.

[crude kiln]

Nope surely not. But that tyre switch has been talked about alot over the years and favoured HAM alot probably.

[opaque crest]

Standard for him or everyone? Don't hear many playing it down like he did

[crude kiln]

I think it's an incredibly classic response in all sports. They try to play it down and say they focus race to race, when we all know they want to win it super badly. His actions on track speaks quite clearly.

[opaque crest]

Most sports but you don't hear as much of it like he said. He was just so dismissive of it, I hate it when anyone does it but it came across worse when he said it

[opal galleon]

It’s just PR stunt

[opaque crest]

He obviously cares so much about it, almost too much hence his driving lol

[opal galleon]

They are professionals if they start to think about it it’s going to get it inside their head

You never want something pop up into your head before race or competing you want it to be clear as possible that’s why they respond like that

[opaque crest]

I actually wanted him to win this season but he just keeps doing stuff that lowers my opinion of him

I've lost a lot of respect for him and Lewis this season

Next year I hope neither of them win

[opal galleon]

So yes I understand when it comes to that people don’t like how Lewis act on interview and all that. But it’s just comes down to that Lewis is just much more stronger mentality. He don’t get into these stuff when talking. Unless max that is much more direct.

[opaque crest]

I think a lot of this comes with experience. Lewis has got 7 titles worth to fall back on and learn from, Max is fighting for his first, seemingly willing to go beyond the line for it

[opal galleon]

Yes

[crude kiln]

As said earlier in this thread Max himself knows he's different so not surprising if he comes across as weird at times in interviews. We all know he wants to win sooo badly but is trying to block it out to not get inside his own head as mentioned above.

[opal galleon]

I am a super competitive guy also I had media at school so I really understand why they respond like that on interview and all that

Compare to a amateurs

[opaque crest]

I also think that Jos doesn't help Max at all, the pressure from him must be huge and not always a good thing having a family member that involved

[crude kiln]

Yeah maybe

[opal galleon]

It’s just really falls down to not talk about it and be clear on the head

If he can’t take the pressure then he ain’t a champion

You gotta be mentally strong enough when the people that gives you pressure are there to watch you and review you

[opaque crest]

It does seem pressure got a bit much this weekend. Be interesting to see if it affects him at Abu Dhabi

[opal galleon]

It’s that easy, I follow Boxing? soccer, F1 and tons more it’s all the same when it comes to mentality.

[zenith oriole]

mentality is biggest part of any competetive stuff... if you can't handle your emotions you most likely gonna lose

[lusty hornet]

Yep im aware but I think these guys just wanna watch the final race. Im sure a lot of people around the world will be doing the same

[jaunty citrus]

Oliver speaking facts here

[opal galleon]

whats so special having final race on F1 Tv pro?

[heady sonnet]

Access to it reliably (if it’s not in your tv subscription) plus some extras like the onboard cams as someone said abov e

[opal galleon]

I got the full experience watching lewis and max onboards under Saudi GP 😄 on my second monitor

[lusty hornet]

Yea most tv packages are long term and include more than just f1 , for many people looking to watch the final race weekend £2.29 is a very good deal

[formal kelp]

in america a pay per view event like this could easily sell for 40 or 50 bucks lol

luckily ESPN contracts out to sky sports so i can watch it with an espn login

[opal galleon]

Per event? So you mean per race?

[formal kelp]

they do it for an MMA fight or a boxing match that lasts 3 minutes, why not a race lol

[heady sonnet]

F1 is different, boxing and mma matches can definitely be ppv

But a season long pass is more comparable to nfl or nba subscriptions

[lusty hornet]

I agree but this weekend is 100% box office I’d be shocked if there isn’t pay per view options just for this weekend

[tidal siren]

I just realized, what if Max wrecks into Hamilton and takes them both out to win the title

[frail osprey]

Max wins on races won

[tidal siren]

I knew that, I'm just saying wow, what if that happens

[frail osprey]

It'll probably be deemed a 'racing incident' and Max will have to do his lap of honour on Lewis' electric scooter... if he let's him borrow it

[opal galleon]

The award and crowning is actually been doing thru votes. So even if they equal max still needs votes that he is the champion so not that easy.

[split ocean]

no? fia regulations states that if two or more drivers are tied on points, the winner would be decided based on race won the second places, third place, fastest laps etc. They share the prize money for 1st and 2nd but not the trophy

What most people would complain about after abu dhabi: fanboys complaining about how their faves didn’t win and the other won by dirty driving etc
Me complaining after abu dhabi: Kimi not getting dotd and we don’t get a last interview

[jaunty cave]

If they crash they may be DSQ and Bottas can win...

[devout umbra]

[opal galleon]

Max would never crash into Lewis by purpose. He always moan about that he should have won by the “right way” crashing into Lewis not.

[worldly pond]

His actions betray his words though.

[opal galleon]

And yet again people can’t stand that Lewis and max are actually really similar

[formal kelp]

one is a tool outwardly, and one pretends not to be a tool

which flavor of tool do you prefer

[heady sonnet]

Definitely not the pretend one 😉

[jaunty cave]

Hola, alguien español?:

[mossy flicker]

Zekers MAX VERSTAPPEN wordt wereldkampioen!!

[devout umbra]

VERDTAPPEN SIM

[somber orbit]

Max max supermax

[floral garnet]

What did you guys think about the Max and Lewis crash at Saudi

[opal galleon]

Bad managment by FIA

[floral garnet]

Did Max break test Lewis or not

[crude kiln]

None of them wanted to cross the DRS line before and that's the main reason they touched. I and many don't believe both their "confusion" afterwards 😅

[floral garnet]

I agree

[opal galleon]

FIA told Red Bull first, on the data Max actually started to slow down and then when Red Bull told Max to give away the position max instantly braked. I am talking about 100% brake force. FIA didnt tell Mercedes anything before after the "touch". So no message to Lewis. Lewis didnt want to overtake when it was free. as stated on the FIA doucment neither of the drivers wanted to overtake on DRS line.

If you look at the analysis Max indeed started to slow down before he got the message, therfore Lewis was cathing him by 35kph, then max braked instantly when he got the message. Lewis didnt want to overtake. so something sus on both parties but you can just 100% instant brake and Lewis should have Overtake but FIA didnt tell mercedes anything -> Lewis

[cold pecan]

you right absolutely

[crude kiln]

@opal galleon Haven't heard 100% instabrake anywhere else tho and doesn't look like it on the video as well.

[lusty hornet]

The fia legit said it

And the telemetry showed it

Also max can’t crash into Lewis Cus he’ll get banned like Micheal did vs villeneuve

[opal galleon]

@crude kiln

[dim dune]

does it show the brake being active or how hard its pushed? sorry im new to the graphs

[crude kiln]

@lusty hornet @opal galleon When did they say that? Link plz. I have seen telemetry but noone mentioning 100% brake force in it. So show FIA saying it then.

[opal galleon]

It’s graph right and you can see the lines go up and down as usually right. On the graph before the collision you can see that max brakes much much harder than usuals

[opal galleon]

Let me try to find don’t expect me to find. But that’s what I read and found.

@crude kiln https://youtu.be/Ko4ylgDpABQ to understand more. On the FIA document it was stated that stewards looked into the data and saw that Max suspicious brakes harder, before and unusual.

https://youtu.be/YZmBcQz457Q here is the video about the graph

[crude kiln]

@opal galleon Not Palmer please 😂 Bigger HAM simp is hard to find. Can't you give time stamps for 2nd video? It's 9 min long after all

[opal galleon]

if you dont want to listen out to a Former F1 driver. And use time to figure out yourself then its not worth being curois about things.

[lusty hornet]

Both

[lusty hornet]

It was on sky sports sorry I watched it live im sure you could find it online

[dim dune]

ah oki

[opal galleon]

this guy dont want to watch the video but either way there is proof that Max braked hard before collison. If he did it on puprose or not we dont know. Mercedes and FIA aint that innocent either.

Lewis didnt overtake, FIA didnt inform them first all mistakes on all parties

[crude kiln]

A British former F1 driver who didn't last long and obviously loves Lewis. There's ALOT of talk about F1 being incredibly British biased, alot thx to Sky. And Palmer is the worst one I've seen so far. His breakdown of the Silverstone crash was awful as well 😅 Had no issues with the other link tho but don't feel like/have time to listen for maybe 9 min straight to get the info of 100% braking as you claimed and therefore asked if you didn't know at what minute they say it.

[opal galleon]

well as I said there proof that max braked harder than usual either way and Stewards obvs didnt like that so.

[crude kiln]

I have never questioned that he braked harder than usual. That's obvious. It was you and @lusty hornet claiming it was with 100% force I wanted info about since I've seen many discuss it and never seen 100% force mentioned.

[opal galleon]

the second video tells you about that right before RB got the message Max were driving slower than usual. He was on 3gear, therfore lewis was 35kph faster. Suddently FIA tells RB --> Max and you can see dippp in the graph. But yeah noone here is innocent though. I'll blame FIA what a mess.

[opal galleon]

If max braked little bit by bit, the graph would be going down slowly. But the graph tells that its dipp right away down which means instant brake

if its not 100% braked the graph wouldnt be direct line down on the graph. If its was litte force then the data would tell you that

[crude kiln]

Yeah I used to watch TheRace alot and might watch it later. It's just that I'm not in the position to watch 9 min of that right now. Yeah he motorbraked first I think and then when Lewis didn't pass he braked for real hoping Lewis would OT him before the line (keep in mind he couldn't see where Lewis was then either). But I just doubt he "100% instabraked" like you said since I haven't seen that number despite seeing many discuss it.

I blame the drivers the most 😅 None of them wanted to be first over the line. But FIA need to oversee the routines for those situations.

[opal galleon]

agreed but I just follow the graph and data and simply thats just what we can tell out of the data

[lusty hornet]

I think sky England are slightly biased but so should every nations media purely through patriotism even if it’s not intentional. I think palmer isn’t biased I think he’s just bad at punditry

[opal galleon]

even Ziggo dutch talks and are biased

I have seen that

so yeah what Oliver605 talks about here is true

[lusty hornet]

Sky said the fia stated it was 100% I’m not sure that just means harsh braking or actually 100% brake pressure I do doubt it was that much or he would’ve stopped but either way he braked which seems unnecessary at all as he was lifting already

I think any braking at all is suspicious personally

Fia said significant

[opal galleon]

but either way Max got the penalty because you just cant instant brake someone thats a rule in the book. So I think it was fair but FIA messed up they didnt tell Mercedes first.

[lusty hornet]

Look it’s a mess isn’t it fia max and Lewis and the teams all left looking very silly

[severe basalt]

He slowed too much I think they said he was Alr slowed down and then applied 69 bar(brake pressure)

[lusty hornet]

I think however if you want to blame someone it’s max he got told Lewis didn’t he was slow on one side then moved across braked (however much he still did) and then sped away

[crude kiln]

Isn't just Sky. Everything from ownership to personel. It's just British all over. But what we hear most is Sky since they are the biggest broadcaster.

I thought Palmers breakdown of Silverstone incident was laughable. He didn't even show all angles and went against the vast majority by saying it was just a race incident. Then I saw him discuss sth else recently and then you could just hear how much he prefered Lewis, so then I decided to boycott him 😅 Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't show the heli angle of last race either.

Yeah Max final brake was a last desperate attempt of making Lewis pass. I just agree that if 100% at that slow speed he would had stopped or at least locked up.

[opal galleon]

no

They own the TV rights from F1

[severe basalt]

Yeah the fia never said 100 percent brake tho I think it was because he slowed down way too much

And I would say silver stone was more of a incident than Lewis or Max’s fault

[opal galleon]

Skysport is the main TV producer so they have the rights. Thats why its so "british"

[lusty hornet]

Without being funny it is a British founded sport so no doubt there’s British bias running throughout as long as it doesn’t affect the racing it’s fine imo but then again I am British

[crude kiln]

Yup idc really, but I feel that official broadcasters should be a bit more neutral. Becomes so unproffessional otherwise.

[lusty hornet]

Yea I think we agree on most points I dislike palmer and agree it seems unlikely it was 100% brake pressure im just repeating what I’ve heard

[severe basalt]

Being Canadian my only issue is why are races so early in the morning

[opal galleon]

thats not how it works, its because they broadcast british and irish. But F1 choose them as Producers so not their fault and they have contract too.

[severe basalt]

And idk who was saying 100 percent but the fia official statement was 69 bar(nice)

[crude kiln]

What? We are basically saying the same thing.

[lusty hornet]

Also back to my point I agree they should be neutral but I like that each nations media have a tiny patriotic bias Cus that’s normal in sports

[opal galleon]

no but you want them to be more neutral but they cant because skysport is mainly for british and irish viewers. But they are main producers for TVs on F1

[lusty hornet]

I’ve never heard anyone on sky sports uk say they outright want max to do badly and Lewis to do well

[crude kiln]

Yeah ofc. But becomes different when they are the official broadcasters. Buy F1 TV and it's them. Check YT and it's them. It's what most ppl do and becomes an issue and unproffessional then.

[opal galleon]

I cant see how it can be done differently

If its different I think it would just be much worse

[severe basalt]

But fr how was verstappen driver of the day

[opal galleon]

-people/fans want to see fight you got that with Max

[lusty hornet]

I understand that it’s an issue for new comers to the sport but I think older fans can decipher their own opinions

[severe basalt]

Ocon should’ve got it

[lusty hornet]

Agreed

[crude kiln]

Bring in people from different countries to the main broadcasters. Getting some reptilian bloodline lineage vibes from how it is now 😜

[severe basalt]

I still think it’s funny how I’ve had online f1 2021 lobbies cleaner than the Saudi race

[crude kiln]

Yep many can but also many can't 😅

[opal galleon]

Thats not as easy as you want it to be. Also extra diffuclt ongoing pandemic.

[severe basalt]

It actually became a f1 2021 lobby tbh with the amount of front wings damaged

[crude kiln]

Was like that before the pandemic and will be after.

[opal galleon]

I used to watch Norwegian broadcasting so idk how it was before

[crude kiln]

They mustve been more neutral considering there were no Norwegian drivers.

[opal galleon]

They are really good and neutral, but soooo many think they are biased.

One race they talk too much about max, and one race too much lewis

people just dont like that

I just cant see why they think they are biased based on that they just talked little bit more about one topic.

[crude kiln]

I see. Yeah well well hard to get it perfect. I just wish we could see more diversity with Sky.

Since they are who ppl refer to all the time as well.

[opal galleon]

Personally I dont have anything to say so much about sky.

[lusty hornet]

I do agree on this but I don’t think it’s awful atm but you can always improve

[lusty hornet]

Hugely against these changes personally. A lot less driver skill and won’t help overtaking as it’s bends not stops

Just to chase easy lower lap times

[crude kiln]

No I don't think it's awful as well. But I think that people should be careful in directing people towards the opinion of Sky or Palmer when it comes to sth controversial where Lewis is involved 😅

[mystic aurora]

The first sector is said to be faster now, which may bring some closer wheel to wheel later down the track. It will interesting to see what the midfielders do with it.

[formal kelp]

hate the front half, guess i like the backhalf... less sending it into the elbow, but theoretically more sending it into 12

as is the chicane and the 2nd elbow accomplished nothing... low skill corners with zero overtake chance

[dawn axle]

I will always say it looks like a gun to me

[jaunty cave]

OFICIAL:
El Barça,es nuevo participante de la Europa league,ale,haber,si por lo menos nos os eliminan de dicha competición...!!

Posdata:los del Barça dan VERGÜENZA!!😂😂😂😂😂

[lusty hornet]

Shame it’s a non starter given all the midfield is sorted

And I prefer watching races with skill. I know it’s personal preference and opinion I’m not saying I’m right. Just feel there’s such an emphasis on overtakes these days it doesn’t matter how they come. I think there’s balance 10-20 over a race is too few but it doesn’t have to be a full 3-4 a lap to be a good race. Also the cars are changing to help close racing I don’t see why tracks need to change

Bit of a rant I know not all will agree but my thoughts

[potent magnet]

Hi

[rare ferry]

Then they should put Yas Marina higher up in the calendar

[mystic aurora]

🤣

[opal galleon]

Lol

[opaque crest]

So Max has said, "it seems other drivers do the same things and only I get the penalty. The only thing I ask for is its fair for everyone and that's not the case."

RB have started the moaning early this weekend 🙄

[opal galleon]

I say everyone in F1 are like that but can’t back up the boy when he is the one that causes the problems

[opaque crest]

Tbh I actually wanted Max to win this season for something different but its dwindled lately and after Jeddah I don't want him to. I feel like he went too far and can't moan about other drivers now as he's the one putting them in danger.

Yes we all want hard racing but not at the cost of drivers safety. He needs to learn sometimes you have to back out to survive. If he had he'd already have the title

Meanwhile in the UK, you can watch the race live on Channel 4 this weekend 👍🏻

[heady sonnet]

Red Bull powertrains lol

[fast oar]

So either Max or Lewis for the win. Who is everyone picking?

[heady sonnet]

Max

[fast oar]

Why Max though?

[heady sonnet]

I like him more than Ham and it’s about time we’ve had a new champion in the turbo era (to close it off). Plus apart from that he was leading more laps, has more wins and was simply dominating for longer over the season. Not counting the dnf in Baku, Silverstone and Monza.

[opaque crest]

Only because he's had the better car 🤪

[heady sonnet]

Oh please 😂

[opaque crest]

Up until Brazil and Jeddah I wanted Max, now I want Hamilton

[fast oar]

I like both drivers and Max is talented, but don’t you think Max’s driving style is rash? There was times when it would have been better for Max to yield the place but he chose to carry on and ended up clipping or DNF.

If he yielded, he would still be in the race, and would probably have won the championship already

[opaque crest]

Max would already have the title if he knew when to go for it and when to bide his time

[opal galleon]

This is exactly what I am thinking about. But at the end people don’t care that much and many more people want a new champion.

[opaque crest]

DTS fans want a new champion and despise Lewis lol

[crude kiln]

It is a bit weird tho that Bottas slowing Max down behind SC and Lewis being like 20 car lengths behind before next restart was just swept under the rug 😅 I feel RB get a bit wrongfully treated here while Merc gets away with everything. Merc have been more dirty and whiny this season.

And about Max's driving. He hasn't risked Lewis crashing hard a single time in these last races. Maybe not whole season? And HAM used to squeeze Nico out all the time the years they fought for the WC.

[opaque crest]

From what I understand a new hearing Masi on radio, Lewis was allowed to do that.

Bottas slowing should have even investigated I agree.

I think both have been as whiny as each this season.

[opaque crest]

How many titles has Ham fought for without regular incidents with opponent. Only this season seems to be regular clashes

The fact RB didn't appeal anything from Saudi says a lot to me

If they genuinely felt hard done by, they definitely would have appealed some of the decisions

[crude kiln]

I'm not familiar with those rules and would had liked to see a breakdown of it. Instead there's just been silence which makes me wonder more...😅

HAM & Nico fought quite hard at least 2 of the 3 seasons they were in Merc. HAM was the dirty one. He was considered dirty before by other drivers as well, before the Merc time. So I think this hate towards Max is a bit ironic. Sure, Max has squeezed Lewis out Lewis style when he's been ahead, but Lewis was the one who sent Max to hospital from behind and gained 25-0 in points that race alone. Might have decided this title. Nice....

It's like there's a collective memory loss for many 😅

[opaque crest]

Definitely haven't forgotten about Silverstone, however don't for a second believe it was deliberate. Equally you could say if Max had backed out he'd still be ahead in title race.

I wasn't aware Ham was considered dirty before Merc, was this common knowledge? Comments from drivers?

I don't hate Max, just think last couple of races haven't been "fair racing" which is what he's claiming he wants

If Silverstone was deliberate then Lewis should never be allowed to race again but I don't believe he would risk safety like that

[opal galleon]

Lol say that to Brazil when he took a dangerous and unnecessary move. My point is the boy don’t know when to back of and when to push in. Like he always risked everything to the limit. Most likely we would be a champion now if he just drove little bit safer to avoid these collisions.

[formal kelp]

its probably realistically pretty close to 50/50, hamilton will have better pace and max will have the advantage that if they both DNF he wins... if lewis was 1 pt ahead itd be lewis 80/20

[opal galleon]

On the rulebook it says that you need to drive I think it was 60 or 40% slower. Bottas did that, but we don’t know if it was on the limit or not but it looked slow yea

[formal kelp]

probably close to 25% of the time theyll both DNF

[crude kiln]

I say as Nico said: Lewis didn't mind that contact in Silverstone. And Max was ahead, it was his corner. So saying he could/should had backed out is unfathomable for me 😅

I remember Massa especially was very annoyed with Lewis since Lewis took him out a few times.

I always thought Max was dirty as well, isn't about that. I just want fairness and feel like Merc has been dirtier this season and are getting away with everything. I'm not even a Max fan per say, and have no particular feelings towards RB. But after Merc taking RB out 2 races in a row with pathetic penalties that followed, I understand if Max drice extra dirty now. Just feel like all focus is on Max when Merc has actually done worse things this season. Several times. @opaque crest

[formal kelp]

25% double DNF, 25% max wins on pace or lewis crash, 50% ham wins on pace or max crash, so close to 50/50 imo

[opal galleon]

Lewis drove really aggressive a lot before Mercedes’. The difference now is he knows when to back off. Max does not. So yet again they are really similar.

They don’t even do track walks

= similar

[crude kiln]

I watched Palmer's analysis of last incident and he was real good this time I must say! First min of the clip was brilliant 😅 But still felt he put more blame on RB for being dirty and didn't mention that Merc also was dirty. At the end of the clip. Otherwise good!

[formal kelp]

sportsbooks have it at about 2 to 1 in favor of lewis

so they must think they have way more pace

[crude kiln]

I've been leaning towards Merc for a few weeks as well.

[opal galleon]

But I do say Hamilton has learned a lot more when he was younger. But he has been on the sport longer aswell. But we don’t know, I know one thing is if max continue this type of driving he won’t go long. When other youngsters get the same opportunity to fight for WDC.

It’s ok to back off and max has showed that it’s indeed possible to be faster and overtake in many weird situations but the boy needs to learn to back off and play sometimes safer

[opaque crest]

I agree that the penalty system needs looking at particularly if titles are being won by DNFs whether deliberate or not.

And yeah, the FIA need to sort themselves out consistency wise. It's just too varied atm. I mean Max didn't get a penalty in Brazil then does something similar in Jeddah and does, like what's going on lol?

[crude kiln]

Sure HAM is more experience but he's been cruising towards easy wins since 2017 till this season. Still he took out 3 RB's last 2 seasons 😅 And sent Max to hospital in the worst crash of this season. And he has been the one who's had everything to lose if they crashed these past months. Would it had looked the same had it been the other way around? I'm not so sure...

[crude kiln]

Agreed!

[opal galleon]

Well you can’t blame Hamilton for taking a really good choice going for Mercedes’. He was the driver they wanted Hamilton took the decisions to go to Mercedes’ he did that and the rest is history. Also max is actually the one that has everything to lose. If Lewis lose he still be remember as 7times world champion. If max for an example learned to back off in silverstone since you mention it. He could then have tried to overtake Lewis again or undercut Hamilton during the race.

A good example is Brazil 2018 when Ocon had the right to unlap himself he did that and took a max one and just went for the overtake. Max didn’t want to let Ocon by when max is the one that has everything to lose. Ocon was 1 lap behind.

At the end you can’t expect Lewis to back off in silverstone. It is Britain firs of all and he has already been pushed outside the track sometimes in the season a example is in Imola.

Also this is Lewis. He has the title no way you see a guy like him back off

[crude kiln]

I'm not blaming anything, I just don't think history shows he is a saint on track himself 😅 Merc has taken out 4 RB's in less than 2 seasons and might win the title because of it now. RB has taken out 1 Merc and also DNF'ed then. Still everyone is screaming at RB. I just want fairness but all I see is collective memory loss and bias.

Once again: why should Max back out when he is ahead in a corner?

[opal galleon]

agreed with the first part. Yes so when you know the guy is behind you has the title and he is about to overtake you. Its better to live another day to finish that work than die that day.

So its better for max to back off give that P1 away then overtake again on Maggots on becekts for example.

Max showed that he didnt want to give out anything which means he was on the positon to lose everything and he in fact was the one that lost everything understood.

[crude kiln]

Not very easy to see tho. I'm sure any driver feels he is entitled to that corner in that situation.

[opal galleon]

And again the boy lacks experience of that

you can see how he has been progression thru the season

[opaque crest]

Hence the problem lol, they both felt they were entitled to it and neither backed off. Worked out better for Lewis than it did for Max but could have easily been other way round.

[opal galleon]

young hamilton would have done the same if it was opposite situation. A more experience max wouldnt risk all to get a DNF.

[crude kiln]

Give them the heli view on dashboard all the time and we can talk 😆 @opaque crest

[opal galleon]

Excatly therfore he should have backed off. Because lewis was on the positon to get everything.

[crude kiln]

Disagree.

[opaque crest]

They both could have backed out of it, doesn't mean either should have.

[opal galleon]

You cant disagree that Max was the one that is about to lose everything(fact he did lose everything)

[crude kiln]

You can say that about most corners then when going in first.

[opal galleon]

There is no reason for lewis to back

off

when he is in the positon to gain

max is in the position to lose understood?

[crude kiln]

Less reason to back off if the corner is yours. Are you even a racing driver anymore if you start yielding corners you are ahead in? Makes no sense.

[opal galleon]

but yet again its a corner so hard one.

but no of them were in the position to take the apex either. Like the both missed it xD

[opaque crest]

I understand, just saying they both could have backed off but neither should have. Opportunity for both to DNF. Lewis has learnt with experience, Max will learn

[opal galleon]

thats what I am saying, I agreed

[crude kiln]

Yes, hence it was never on and a mistake from Lewis to begin with and not sth a driver in Max's position would expect. So saying he shouldve backed out is nonsense to me.

[opal galleon]

My point is the boy is really aggressive one, in drivers mind or very competitive people dont want to give out anything just to end up loosing everything. Because they are affraid which is understandable. But the main point is if he backed out he would most likley could save P2 or get P1 at the end of the race. Its like boxing, youre about to lose to death. It is then better to throw the white flag to stay alive and fight the same guy in the future. Same applies here where max could gotten like 18pts (dont remember the pts system)

[crude kiln]

Imagine getting right rear clipped when going in ahead to a corner, ending up in hospital, and then hearing YOU should had backed out 😅 Just makes no sense to me. He isn't psychic. Ofc he didn't think his rear tyre would get clipped. @opal galleon

[opal galleon]

its kinda nonsense but one of the drivers should have seen that coming. Lewis already tried to overtake max safely 3 times before the Collison btw. The 4th time he probably didn't want to back off anymore

Ham tried to OT after he lost that P1 at start but he indeed back off you can see him dethrottle, Again he tried to OT in Wellingenstraight, didnt work out either he backed off, Ham tried to OT again laughfield, before cops(didnt have the speed) then he was gaining and gaining. I am just saying that ham actually backed off like atleast 1 time. And in the future I want max to learn to back off too.

[crude kiln]

Sounds like an inexperienced hot head then who can't bide his time 😉

[crude kiln]

And maybe he would if he had 100% view and hindsight, but no driver backs off while ahead into a corner.

[opal galleon]

yeah good to say maybe, I was after the race he must have learned something. But in Jeddah I saw the same max that didnt want to yield at all.

That can be a problem for himself

[crude kiln]

Nah he drivers like Lewis did against Nico when Lewis went into corners before Nico. Either the driver behind has to back off or they will touch.

[opal galleon]

But yet again Nico knew to back off

Max dont

|or he knows but dont want to 😄

[crude kiln]

@opal galleon Max was ahead in all these situations I speak of, just like Lewis was against Nico. People make it sound like Max did as he did in Monza in all these sitautions.

[opal galleon]

Monza was a bit hard though

it was both a little bit gap and not

[lusty hornet]

This is the key for me Lewis was a lot like max not as bad imo but aggressive and all in all the time but he’s learned and applies that. Max will learn but that doesn’t change what he’s done these last few races

[opal galleon]

and thats what I have been trying to say to boba.............

[fast oar]

I don’t know if it was the angle, but When you look at the onboard cams, Max was on the right, but moved to the middle of the track and that’s when the collision happens?

[opal galleon]

Boba is like the Real boba fett, if he gets shoot nothing new happens next day xD

still same fett

[lusty hornet]

Theses a lot of msgs I read about half but gave up

[crude kiln]

How demeaning. I have never questioned that except that I don't think Lewis is as clean as his fans make it sound.

And when we look at the hard evidence, Ham & Merc have caused waaaaaay more damage than RB did to them. So becomes weird for me when they are all screaming at Max.

[lusty hornet]

I think it’s best to say this race will be a decider and thats worth watching

[opal galleon]

thats what happen when you lost the opportunity to the apex

you gotta drive more to the middle to get that exit

[fast oar]

But Max did the same by swerving left and right in 2016, against Kimi and Seb. Based on that, is why I think Max did that deliberately.

[opal galleon]

Well thats highly peoples opinions. I respect everybodys opinionm. Personally I dont care about ham and max fans. They are just cringe.

[crude kiln]

The funny thing is that I'm like 10x less biased and more reasonable than the average Ham/Merc fan like you 😅 It's like you try to cover up how dirty Mercs have been this season by switching the focus on Max.

[opal galleon]

delusional ones btw

[opal galleon]

I am talking about every scenario and perspective. Most people in F1 I have seen only talks about one side.

If its RB I talk about the other side. If its mercs I talk about the other side. Thats how I reply.

This is to give out both perspective. People only talks about one side and that side should be correct always correct. So its important to talk about the other side

A example is youre already talking about lewis perspective so I cover max perspective

[crude kiln]

Yeah the side that favours HAM and a close title battle and accept Merc winning the title for doing dirty pit/SC tricks and crashing the RB's 2 races in a row, and switching all focus on Max instead, despite Mercs being much worse this season.

[opal galleon]

RB has been alot more consistent. than mercedes. mercedes has messed up so many times. But I do feel like Checo needs to quali more p1-2

like bottas has been really consistent

[crude kiln]

Yeah Checo has been a dissapointment imo. Good some weekends tho!

[opal galleon]

I think if Checo could quali like bottas I think RB would already secure the title

[crude kiln]

Yeah maybe

[opal galleon]

Checo without a top always gets around top 4 but like his opponent is bottas who is always at p1-2

or atleast top 3 if lewis and max takes both spot

[buoyant rain]

U could do ur own research n look up the rules… they are all on online for the public n u shouldn’t be mad at a decision thinking it’s unfair wen u don’t kno the rules…

[heady sonnet]

Checo hasn’t been good qualifier though I believe throughout his career

[crude kiln]

Link then plz! Funny how you sound critical tho when I admitted to not knowing the rules and saying that I wished that got some explanations from people who do know instead of just being swept under the rug.

Ham fan?

[buoyant rain]

Use ur fingers that work fine and search it. How lazy are u

I am a ham fan but I’m also a ver fan lol

[opal galleon]

yea but he is consitent top 6 not top 3

[opal galleon]

lol directly pointing ham fan xD. F1 oh well here btw for you https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/110

[formal kelp]

Well yea bottas is easily top 5 talent when it comes to quali pace. His racecraft just sucks

[opal galleon]

top 3*

I mean like F1 has 81 pages while football has like only 19. There is alot to read..........

[crude kiln]

Was just asking since I thought it was weird he criticized me for admitting I didn't know the rules and wondered if it was since he was triggered by me pointing out several times how dirty the Mercs have been this season when everyone is screaming Max 😅

[opal galleon]

you got the link btw and yeah thats how f1 is. You say something people be like"OMG HAM FAN" or "OMG MAX FAN"

[formal kelp]

Max, Russell, ham, lando, bottas probably the top 5 single lap pace in that order if they were all in the same car

Bottas goes backwards on Sunday tho lol

[buoyant rain]

It is I’m seen u type things sayin merc is dirty and always attacking merc. Never do u criticize Red Bull and even the stewards rule them wrong u feel like they cheated.

[crude kiln]

Already explained why I asked. Since he seemed triggered and wanted to know if that was why.

A like yesterday I asked for a specific rule and get the whole book 😅 But will see what I can find.

[buoyant rain]

@crude kiln big up for admitting u didn’t kno. A lot off ppl wouldn’t

Sometimes I’m screaming at my tv at ham n other times it’s max n other times russel gasly ocon… I like clean hard racing that’s all

[crude kiln]

I've said several times this season when I think Max has done wrong. Reason I'm pointing at Merc is cuz all focus is what Max is doing, despite Merc having done alot more damage this season and been just as dirty. That being met by mostly silence and defending them.

Had it been the opposite I would had been on Merc's side!

[crude kiln]

Agree.

[buoyant rain]

@crude kiln sry i hav only been on to catch ur bad post

[opal galleon]

"I would be on mercs side" xD

[buoyant rain]

🤣I feel pretty stupid rlly I am sry

[opal galleon]

I came to F1 because its so much technology and fast car. Meanwhile"OMG HAM FAN" "OMG MAX FAN"

[crude kiln]

No worries, I understand if I trigger people since I suck at being silent when I think people are being too biased 😅 And this season I think ppl have defended Mercs a bit too much.

[crude kiln]

I would for sure. I have no special love for RB really.

[opal galleon]

I am going to be honest that I like Mercedes because of their technology, Aston Martin because its a cool brand, Mclaren so much respect, Williams so much history and they are not even a car brand. I dont support RB because I want to pissed off my RB friends xD

but I drink alot of Red Bull at school xD

[crude kiln]

Yeah I can tell you are biased as you already know, but if there's any comfort you are far from the worst 😅 And you seem nice, so all good. It's just sports. Issue lies with me as well since I want stuff to be as clean and fair as possible in sports. And I struggle to be quiet when I don't think that's the case 🙈

[opal galleon]

everybody is some grade a bit bias, because thats how sport is.

Its ok to be bias, but when that bias turns into delusional thats when its bad

[opaque crest]

Just spent 10minutes looking through and all I can find is "During the formation lap practice starts are forbidden and the formation must be kept as tight
as possible." Nothing about car lengths or other formation laps

[opal galleon]

wait why you tell me this?

I am asking because I havent talked anything about car length nor formation lap?

[opaque crest]

I thought that was what the rule issue was about as I said earlier I didn't know the rules and so did Boba

Tried to find something about dropping back during formation lap and different types of formation lap but couldn't

[opal galleon]

wait are you talking about that bottas drove too slow and that he should have been little bit further?

because if not I was not into this discussion btw

[opaque crest]

That and Ham going slow on lap to grid

I only replied to you because you were the one who sent the link 🙂

[opal galleon]

Didnt know there were talks about lap grid

people wanted the book I gave them that. I actually do look at the book sometimes because people start with so much theory and all that.

[opaque crest]

Talks about most things lol

[opaque crest]

Yeah, it's interesting to have but a pain to find anything in

[opal galleon]

well since you stated that there were nothing about driving too slow then I guess thats probably why bottas was not even investigated

[opaque crest]

Just found this bit about the restart though, "When the green lights are illuminated the safety car will leave the grid and all drivers must
follow in grid order, no more than ten car lengths apart, and must respect the pit lane
speed limit until they pass pole position. The safety car will continue until conditions are
considered suitable for racing"

[opal galleon]

yup

I knew most of them

[formal kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-shouts-yells-gif-7246190

[opal galleon]

no

its not actually hard to find out F1 rules and understand them. But most people just use their time arugmenting rather than just go to the rulebook.

[formal kelp]

just embrace the nerd

[heady sonnet]

I am 99% certain that they got away with it because on race restart technically it is not a formation lap

That’s what the commenters said on tv when they diss cussed it

[opal galleon]

As I stated many times some rules aint specified enough

but I havent checked the book about that though

[heady sonnet]

This one is quite a gray area actually

[opal galleon]

what I have notice is the rulebook is changing every season

one season that rule might be like that this season no

[crude kiln]

@opaque crest @opal galleon I checked those sections as well and didn't find anything about formation lap. Going "unnecessary slow" behind SC like Bottas did tho was mentioned as not OK. And despite it being dirty from HAM it seems like there aren't any such rules on formation laps 😅 So maybe they should have a look at that. Might be info about it in older versions of rule books tho, idk.

[opal galleon]

Yeah but the rulebook is updated every season

if that rule aint part of this season it dont count

but it might be in the past therfore people on say its not allowed

[crude kiln]

Yeah idk. But odd Bottas didn't get more mentions about what he did then since it states that's not OK.

[opal galleon]

well FIA didnt even investigate and it dont say anything on the rulebook so I just let this go

[heady sonnet]

Reverse that and imagine the outcry we would get

“Omg such dirty tactics by RBR, they should get a penalty”

[opal galleon]

the only rule I know is to not overtake and not drive over 60%

[heady sonnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ra7i4t/rule_clarifications_regarding_10_car_lengths/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[opal galleon]

D

Dont see anything about driving too slow idk???

[heady sonnet]

It’s in the comments below

[crude kiln]

My fav this whole season has been "RB would had done the same!". Only one race left and I'm still waiting.. 😅

[heady sonnet]

Technically Bottas was not picked up by the safety car yet

A lot of clever interpretations of the rules everywhere 🙂

“Not a formation lap” “nor picked up yet” blah-blah

[opal galleon]

ah

so bottas was technically allowed to drive slowe whuut

[winged vessel]

Do the unthinkable, win.

[hexed grove]

Guys I feel verstapen will win ez

[crude kiln]

Nah HAM will win for sure. He hasn't even had a technical DNF in 3,5 years...

[hazy nest]

https://youtu.be/ZBJCgrrQhx4

[opal galleon]

I am so excited for this GP

Remember that its the last race of these cars, era...

[hazy nest]

https://tenor.com/view/supermax-verstappen-f1-nederland-zandvoort-gif-21797624

[crude kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/lewis-hamilton-barbados-gif-14647724

[opal galleon]

lol

[opal galleon]

😄

[rare ferry]

give him a big drincc

[fresh acorn]

😂

[crude kiln]

Real bad taste from Sky Sports. Getting alot of criticism for this.

[opal galleon]

oooof

the time was 00.00 and he crashed

[heady sonnet]

Karma is a b*tch

[crude kiln]

What do you mean?

[heady sonnet]

I mean that’s beyond tasteless, and I do hope they will be laughed at after the race, especially if Ham crashes out for whatever reason.

It’s coming home rings a bell and we saw how that ended up 🙂

[formal kelp]

i figured that was a deepfake meme, that was a real commercial? lol

[crude kiln]

@heady sonnet Yeah stuff like this has made me dislike Sky this season. If they can't be more neutral then their clips shouldn't be all we see in all official clips etc.

[crude kiln]

Yeah was real. But looks fake imo 😅

[formal kelp]

i am not a mercedes or lewis fan but i dont think sky has been too one sided

obviously they have to show who's at the front and they have to cater to the british viewers theyre primarily covering it for

i got the sense a lot of britain thinks lewis is a dbag anyway and arent exactly pulling for him

[crude kiln]

That's enough for it to be shifted over to some other company with more diversity if so. If Sky only aired in UK it wouldn't matter as much. But if I follow F1 on YT for example, it's Sky's clips they show.

I don't watch Sky but hear they are biased constantly and even see memes about it every race weekend 😅

[formal kelp]

blame other networks for buying the sky coverage instead of covering it themselves

its not sky's fault no one else wants to pony up the $ to buy coverage rights

[crude kiln]

It's not about that. As I said when F1 post, it's Sky they show. But F1 should make an effort in starting sth else or get Sky to make changes.

[formal kelp]

im watching a british telecast from a british company, i wouldnt expect them to cater to me... if it mattered that much people would stop watching it and ratings would tank and F1 would sell rights to new partners

[opaque crest]

This can't be real, along with the "merry christmas" are they having a laugh? 😂

[opal galleon]

bring in BBC

lol jk

[opaque crest]

Sky do seem biased however Paul Di Resta cancels it out with his extreme hate of Lewis and love of Max lol

[opal galleon]

All I care about is english commentator. Other than that I dont care. Also I dont want to pay 80E per month just too watch F1

[crude kiln]

I also thought it was fake but have seen several confirm they have seen it on Sky, and RB have protested publically.

[opaque crest]

Just downright stupid. Way to go pushing fan base even further apart

[rare ferry]

We wish you a merry spinmas

and a happy new gearbox/power unit

[lusty hornet]

I do think this is awful but it’s no different to when they used the Lewis nico crash for many years it’s not Lewis propaganda as such just tasteless

[crude kiln]

This is worse since he got hurt in the crash and since it's Sky posting it about the Brit's rival getting hurt with "Merry Christmas". They've got alot of bad rep for this.

[heady sonnet]

Let’s see with what they come up with on Sunday

[opal galleon]

I am pretty sure they know people won’t like it. Buts it’s all about getting more drama, getting more views.

For people not into F1 would probably think that footage is badass

It’s all about branding and views I guess. I don’t think they thought about that a driver could get serious injuries.

[lusty hornet]

Yes I just don’t personally think the numbskull who did this had the intentions for it to be max Hurt Lewis good. I think they just think cool slow Mo crash gets views without having any context

I could be wrong but I’m hoping it wasn’t intentional in that sense

[opal galleon]

Like I said it’s branding

It’s very normal in media world

[lusty hornet]

I do agree it’s horrid I just don’t think the person has bad intentions I still agree 100% it’s wrong and shouldn’t air

[opal galleon]

That’s how messed up media is

[crude kiln]

@lusty hornet For sure might be a mistake. Think they should explain where it went wrong and apologize if so.

[lusty hornet]

This is the problem

[lusty hornet]

Hopefully they will

[opal galleon]

I had media as a course and now I am moving into IT. So I do understand why Sky put it there.

[lusty hornet]

It’s a very cool clip if you don’t have a clue what happened before or after

[opal galleon]

I am so sure it’s for branding and viewing purpose

[lusty hornet]

That’s my point I think someone just saw it and went wow that’s cool let’s use it nothing more nothing less

But now it’s out there people will say that’s not right Cus it’s a serious incident that causes a hospitalisation

[crude kiln]

I would think it was weird regardless 😂

That it's "Merry Xmas"

[opal galleon]

I used to see a lot of these type of footage when I was not into F1. But since I started to care about IT I thought the technology on these cars was cool. But before I knew anything about F1 I saw a lot of footage like these and I was like “wow that’s sick”

Only reason I didn’t watch right away was because I thought it was just cars driving around. And nothing happens.

[formal kelp]

i mean thats literally formula 1

[opal galleon]

My point is a younger me would have seen that footage and think it’s badass footage.

Me now knows that’s it’s horrible

[formal kelp]

still badass footage

just incompetence, like they didnt have literally 1 slowmo of max and lewis going around a turn wheel to wheel in the entire season's tapes? just use that

[opal galleon]

Also don’t forget that Sky is a big Media group and they are not just broadcasting F1

A guy that is good to edit videos for example can be appointed to do these type of work without knowing anything

[lusty hornet]

This ^

I very much feel this is that case having watched sky sports coverage of most sports

It feels very much like the case

[opal galleon]

Geez I really learned a lot from media but IT is better 🙂

[lusty hornet]

I do however repeat I hope they take it down

[opal galleon]

For some countries like US media are allowed to do everything.

But in places like Uk it’s very similar just couple of limitations.

If that was in my country it would be a lawsuit now. It’s really different to countries to countries. I don’t see a reason why they would take it down. Unless they completely have too. Even though it’s horrible but badass too.

If they are allowed to air it, without a problem then I can’t see a reason to take it down

[vapid quarry]

😄

[formal kelp]

i got 1000 bucks on lewis winning quali tomorrow at -160... FP2 was wild, with lewises worse engine hes a half second up, max has no chance

[formal kelp]

this is funny cause lando and max are buds, but i bet max is pissed he said this... lando has no chill trolling everyone

[opal galleon]

What you mean worse engine?

[formal kelp]

He has 2 engines available, they had his higher mileage engine in for Friday practice, and they'll throw his fresher higher HP engine in for quali. I'd be realllllllly surprise if max outqualifies on pure pace without some kind of incident or tow or interference

[winged vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/lewis-f1-gif-11595986

Magic is coming, soon!

[heady sonnet]

They did and apologized

[opal galleon]

Damn that Mercedes’ is flying, Oliver605 was right

[jaunty cave]

What is the score for max and Lewis for this season?

[supple flower]

369.5 each

[lusty hornet]

What did I say sorry haha

[crude kiln]

It's been over since several weeks lads. Been trying to tell ya. Only thing that can stop the Merc now is a rare DNF for HAM.

[opal galleon]

Damn

[opaque crest]

Only 2tenths in it at the end of the session

[crude kiln]

So if HAM wins the Q and Max is P2, his biggest chance will be to take the start and then not letting HAM undercut him. But whatever Merc has been allowed to do with their car these last months has made them too fast in races as well, so for me it feels like a clear HAM victory. Unless he gets a rare technical DNF.

Have I mentioned that HAM hasn't had a technical DNF in 3,5 years?

[opaque crest]

Allowed to do? Clearly nothing illegal or RB would have protested.

Don't think you've mentioned the no DNF in 3.5 years, first time I've seen you say it 🤪

[opal galleon]

You been mention technical dnf many times 👌

[crude kiln]

Don't be so naive 😉

Oh good, not sure I had mentioned it 😜@opal galleon

[opaque crest]

I'm just waiting for Hams 5 place penalty for blocking mazepin again 😛

[crude kiln]

Haha that handicap would be needed for an exciting last race 😅

[opal galleon]

That incident is nothing

Or I think it’s nothing since it haven’t been reported or talked thru

[opaque crest]

I know, just seeing who I can wind up 🤪

[crude kiln]

Lol I didn't even know there was an inchident again. But feels like both HAM & VER would have to take someone out in practices or Q to get a penalty at this stage 🙈

[split ocean]

kamikaze time

[hard isle]

Red flag for a plastic stick 🤦‍♂️

[split ocean]

when in doubt, resort to a strategy used 80 years ago

piastri won f2

[opaque crest]

Tsunoda p4 now

Alpha tauri doing better than ferrari and mclaren

[formal kelp]

ez $

theres gonna be no overtaking here that corner change is sad

[opaque crest]

More fun to drive though 🙄

Perez needs to improve, currently a bit at risk

[formal kelp]

perez is bad at everything except tire management sadly

[opal galleon]

I don’t think he is bad but there is definitely a even more talented drivers out here with a almost championship car like he has.

[formal kelp]

did they resign him for next year i cant remember

[opal galleon]

Got 1 year extend

[opaque crest]

Yeah he's got another year there

He's not bad just not consistent and doesn't get most out of the car

[opal galleon]

This is a huge statement but I am pretty sure either Gasly or Albon would get a lot more with that car

[opaque crest]

Not sure about Albon but based on how Gasly has performed this year he would

Chaos in quali again

[opal galleon]

No?

[opaque crest]

Flat spotted them so might be switching strategy

Out on softs but might not complete the lap

Saying that Gasly has not done as good this weekend lol

Perez starting on softs, maybe RB starting on softs tomorrow?

[opal galleon]

Perez starting in soft

[opaque crest]

Oo interesting strategy happening

Merc on Medium, RB on softs

[formal kelp]

throwing perez on softs is smart, gotta get his ass up in the mix to help max with pit strategy

[opal galleon]

This such a big risk

[opaque crest]

Adds another element to the start tomorrow

[formal kelp]

RB knows they have no chance in Q3

[opal galleon]

They will get the best start but that soft will melt right away

[opaque crest]

RB going for track position off start and then hold Mercs behind them

[formal kelp]

merc has a half second racepace advantage, RB has to do something, cant copy them

[opal galleon]

If Mercedes’ gets 1-2 or 1-3 in Q3 that strategy has kinda already failed

[formal kelp]

they put softs on expecting to not be on pole

[opal galleon]

Yeah

But it if Mercedes’ is that quick then I can see them just surpass RB in just couple of laps.

[opaque crest]

Depends how they get off the line and who gets ahead

[formal kelp]

you cant pass on this track

[opaque crest]

Where does that time come from? I thought RB were quicker on race pace

[formal kelp]

his quali pace has for sure, his racecraft is still yikes

[opaque crest]

They were quicker in FP2 on race pace

[opal galleon]

There is always a bit overtaking there. It’s not like Monaco or Zanvoort.

[formal kelp]

sending it into the chicane was a good place and they deleted it 😦

[opaque crest]

Horner says they weren't planning on starting on softs, did it because of the lock up

50-50 before and that made their decision

[opal galleon]

They only got 3 sets sooo

Of med

[formal kelp]

alright boys 1000 bucks on lewis lets go

[crude kiln]

Yeah I saw that too. RB quicker race pace I mean.

[hard isle]

Pérez is going for 57 laps on Softs btw

The Redbull target is to make Perez P1 and Verstappen P2 for tomorrow

[opaque crest]

Perez not even allowed to do a lap properly to tow Max along lol

[hard isle]

I love Checo, sad he’s relegated to a number 2 role

[opaque crest]

Half a second gap 😮

[opal galleon]

Lewis was fast without tow

Max was really fast but I do think they will be better on race

[formal kelp]

lewis understeered last corner and didnt get a tow, this gonna be close

[hard isle]

Checo helped in sector 2

[crude kiln]

Would had been the opposite if he would've been the one scoring like Max did instead first third of season

[opaque crest]

How much is the tow worth?

[opal galleon]

What is the chance that the one that start in pole wins?

[hard isle]

Hope next season he will thrive 🤞I love this Mexican demon

[opal galleon]

Normally around 30km ekstra

[opaque crest]

Last 6 seasons they have I think

[formal kelp]

RB usually 2 tenths slower in sector 2, was 2 tenths faster so prob about 4 tenths

[opal galleon]

Is that soft strategy with Red Bull going to work?

[formal kelp]

probably not

theyll have to 2 stop and 2 stopping here sucks

[crude kiln]

If they take pole now it will feel like a bad decision 🙈

[hard isle]

If the pit lane is terrible like in game

[opal galleon]

If rb takes Pole or Mercedes’ Pole?

I guess it’s going to be 3soft and 6 for hard.

[crude kiln]

RB

[opal galleon]

Why is it bad that they take pole?

[crude kiln]

Read what you wrote again and what I responded to

[opal galleon]

I don’t see why it won’t work? Unless you’re talking about that I said that soft will melt. And they are going to get best start.

[formal kelp]

lewis has no shot imo if he doesnt get a tow, why arent they doing it

christ they botched this with no tow

rip money, mercedes got out strategy'd, which doesnt happen

[opaque crest]

Was not expecting that

What happend to Bottas?

[crude kiln]

Starting on mediums is a big advantage and allows for one stop. If RB take pole anyway an alternate strat on softs will most likely be bad.

[opal galleon]

So you’re not positive that max start P1 either way with soft?

And also they got better race pace?

[formal kelp]

racepace doesnt matter here except for undercutting cause you cant overtake

if RB has to 2 stop theyre screwed

theyll need a safety car in a good spot

[opal galleon]

Wait so you guys are so positive for that Mercedes’ will win?

[formal kelp]

in a few minutes sportsbooks odds will be up and Id guess its probably 2 to 1 for a merc win

[opal galleon]

Because this means RB need to push so hard to get away enough to get a free pit. But it’s soft so it can’t last that long.

[formal kelp]

greatful i can see where he is LUL

shots fired

[lime yoke]

Perez needs to jump norria and Ham with his softs

[opal galleon]

I can’t see why you guys are so negative that Max starts on Pole?

Can’t he just get the best start then go for hards?

[formal kelp]

softs only gonna last like 10 laps, they wont be able to 1 stop it without nursing the tires hard

and they certainly wont get far enough ahead for a free pit stop

[lime yoke]

Coz if the team boss also knows that softs are bad they you know youre fvck3d

[chrome otter]

Depends on who passes hamilton at the start

[formal kelp]

lando also isnt gonna send anything, he will be booed out of england

so lando wont pass lewis

[lime yoke]

Perez needs to be the one passing

[chrome otter]

If lando can pass him he will for sure

[opal galleon]

Like I see it, the odds plays into lewis and mercedes hands either if max starts P1.

[opal galleon]

not gonna happen, he is too fanboy. He already let lewis passed couple of times xD

[lime yoke]

Lando just needs to chill coz he gets his win if those two crash which is very likely

[split ocean]

ham on mediums is an advantage but he would need to fight perez on softs

perez would likely ot norris quickly

[opal galleon]

But bottas aint a good starter so this can mean that Lewis is on his own on the race. Because bottas can potentially lose more track positions. And Perez is starting ahead of bottas. Perez usually gain alot on start?

[chrome otter]

Its going to be exciting none the less.

Lets just hope for clean racing and no contact

[lime yoke]

Hams car doesnt care what compunds youre on

That rocket will overtake

[split ocean]

rb best bet is perez fight/defend ham for a long time and extend his stint as far as possible to let ver get an advantage for the 2 stop or nurture the hards til the end

[opal galleon]

But how can you guys be so sure that is not possible to overtake when we havent seen how that new layout affects?

[split ocean]

idk but judging from the f2 sr , there were very little overtakes

[opal galleon]

Like on the first banking, the cars are going to be slower right then you got that big straight that mercedes can use to overtake?

And you also got the second straight into second banking?

[lime yoke]

Yuki needs to do another red flag to give Max a chance

[opal galleon]

ok so its 58 laps, Max need to pit appros lap 10, its average 30c temp there. Which mean that tyre can melt. But in other hand you got Perez that can help if he OT both Norris and Lewis. The odds are pointing to mercedes. But RB havent lost yet since they got tons of options.

[crude kiln]

I also lost alot once on a Q where Ferrari decided to put Alonso on hards in Q3...

[formal kelp]

I was shocked Merc didn't give Lewis a tow after they saw max cut a half second off the lap from doing jt

Made zero sense

[opal galleon]

I think they want max to be in P1

Because then Max gotta run away from Lewis so that max use his tyres.

If Lewis was the one that had to run away then he needs to use his mediums off.

[formal kelp]

I don't agree with your reason but I do agree that Merc may be fine with p2 so that max can't sent it into turn 1 and lock up the championship with a double dnf

Merc is in a better place and will sit back and let RB take the risks

[opal galleon]

You basically said the same thing as me and you don’t agree lol

[formal kelp]

If you start behind max, max can't crash into you

Well I guess he can since he did in jeddah

LOL

[opal galleon]

Max would get that P1 either way since he got the grip. I just think they don’t want Lewis for fight for P1 on the start. I think they are going long. So that they can pit when RB has to.

[formal kelp]

Anyway unless rb gets a well timed safety car they are in bad shape. Hards won't last 50 laps

[opal galleon]

They got Perez, I think all plays down to if Max or Lewis fight into DNF or either Bottas or Perez play in a role.

Right now RB got the control but Mercedes got the advantage with the tyre.

[formal kelp]

Just looked on draftkings and they have it even money max and Lewis for the GP

That is wild I think there's value on ham side there

But I also just blew a grand on ham pole position bet

[opal galleon]

Remember that you can lose points now.

This was the new rule applied in this GP.

Championships points not license

[formal kelp]

That's an empty threat F1 isn't gonna let a championship be decided by the stewards in the last race

People would riot

Unless it's blatant

[opal galleon]

You never know, it’s not always the same people that judge and obtain the rules.

Lmao you say that, and suddenly there were some penalties in Saudi hehe.

[formal kelp]

They didn't impact anything though

If they would have impacted the finishing positions they wouldn't have given them lol

[opal galleon]

You don’t know that, that’s a wild guess. But either way I am exited it’s 50/50. None of the competitors has the edge. Also Mercedes’ is winning that 8th either way. RB needs 1-2 and both Mercedes to not get point.

[formal kelp]

Yea constructors is over and both those teams are rich enough they don't seem to care about the $ difference

[heady sonnet]

Bottas does his bowling thing, takes out Ham and it’s a win 😂

[opal galleon]

Mercedes’ gets 80mil from Daimler 😂

Like Mercedes need the money Noo, and people like me drink too much Red Bull already so they both got money

[heady sonnet]

Joking aside, good Q, would be interesting tomorrow

[formal kelp]

Lol bottas secret agent for RB for the past 5 years and no one knew!

[opal galleon]

I wonder what happend to Mercedes’ though?

[formal kelp]

AGENT BOTTAS YOU HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED

[opal galleon]

Like P6 and P2

[heady sonnet]

P6 was a surprise for sure

[formal kelp]

If he was gonna be p6 anyway might as well given ham a tow lmao

[opal galleon]

I agree there? But it look liked they rushed it though?

[heady sonnet]

I doubt they didn’t expect that

[formal kelp]

They're either 200 IQ and wanted to start behind max to not get sent into or they botched the strategy pretty bad not giving Lewis a tow

[heady sonnet]

Should have reacted in the second set of laps

[opal galleon]

This is 50/50

I am nervous

[heady sonnet]

Well Lando was good also

And I like how he said “I’m a bit worried, I want to stay p3 and not get involved” 😂

[formal kelp]

I mean yea there's no way he sends it into turn 1 unless it's wide open. He would be vilified forever

[heady sonnet]

That would give Checo a chance through

[crude kiln]

Nah Lando is so loved it would be forgotten about quickly.

[heady sonnet]

Depends who he takes out 😂

If he takes our Ham he would be crucified

Maybe that’s why he is moving to Monaco hahahaha

[crude kiln]

I doubt that 😅 Wouldn't be on purpose anyway 😇 But Lando won't cause any issues I think.

[opal galleon]

Nah nah Lando is too close to Max. Lando is a hammy fan. You have seen him multiple times this season just letting Lewis pass.

Noo way he takes any of them out hehe

[formal kelp]

The more I sit on this the more I think Mercedes started p2 on purpose to avoid turn 1 incident. They have the better car, better reliability, and are starting on the better tire

[opal galleon]

Yeah but how much of that race pace does really matter?

As people say “you can’t overtake”

[formal kelp]

For an overcut or undercut single lap track position thing it will matter

[opal galleon]

But I agree with you, it looked like they didn’t want that P1

[crude kiln]

Lando is an Albon fan! Had his poster on his wall growing up 😂 I think Lando wants Max to win more, but also don't think he wants to take any risks at the start and would be happy finishing 3rd.

[opal galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/lando-norris-lando-norris-mclaren-formula1-gif-14470543

[formal kelp]

Lando finishes top 2 by watching a ver-ham sandwich, not by sending it into t1 McLaren has no chance on pure pace

[crude kiln]

Yup. Sure he won't hesitate to send it if HAM or VER gets a bad start, but otherwise I'm sure he will focus on not losing positions.

[opal galleon]

But is it possible to overtake or not?

expect lap 1

[formal kelp]

I mean not with rb/Merc being so close, but yea either will fly past any other car

Especially since those cars won't want to cause an incident

[crude kiln]

Should be on the long straight I think. But we'll see. DRS powerful in some races and not in other.

[opal galleon]

What I am curois about is, Lewis is alone up there with no help from bottas. also lewis is ganged by Soft users.

Also where the hell is Tom?

[crude kiln]

@zenith heath has maxed both VER & HAM in the game so he's probably grinding the game with them like crazy 😅

[crude kiln]

We saw last race that Max didn't pull away from HAM on a softer tyre, so maybe Lewis won't struggle as long as he gets a good start. It's a massive advantage for Lewis I think. Chance for Max is if he can go quite long on softs and then make the hards last and keep HAM behind.

[formal kelp]

This has to be the gameplan I just don't see it happening

The hards are gonna fall off like crazy in the last 10 laps

[crude kiln]

We'll simply see. Can end many ways and SC's might happen etc.

[formal kelp]

Max will be too jacked up to save tires like he needs to

[opal galleon]

Checo gonna play big role actually

Especially if he OT lewis

[frail osprey]

Agreed. All depends on Perez too. If Checo can make a great start and squeeze ahead of Ham (& Lando) then the race is RBs to lose. They've clearly got a game play for this though hence the choice of tires. I would be very surprised if Ham wins tomorrow to be honest

😁

[opal galleon]

what you mean suprise if hams wins. Its 50/50

there is no clear advantage here

Every advantage depends on "if"