💬│f1-clash-general

[dim palm]

Very random. But I like it

[wary epoch]

I am in weird one 😅 dont want to say its easy one, not checked anyone, but remember stronger ones 🤣

[vapid forge]

So what is grouping based on now 🤷‍♂️ 😄 ?

[long vessel]

Or maybe side effect bug of objective reset or that reset

[oak mulch]

And possibly smaller. I’ve got 65, clubmate has 50 and usually both of us would have 100.

[rough maple]

Yeah I like it to

[rough maple]

Should be easy to qualify today

[rough maple]

I started with 41, but already filling up

[vapid forge]

Question now is can I escape with no Q medal in my 1st champs depending how tough it gets

[wary epoch]

could be anything, update, so many different reboots who knows 😄

[brittle hill]

Ur in my group,be easy to get through.

[wary epoch]

I was like, lets just play, what ever 😄 I dont have sponsor task, even for finals 😄

[wary epoch]

are you sure? so its filling?

[vapid forge]

Yeah but wanted to go for 1st p1 but F1 CASH from VRT Legacy is scoring well.

[rough maple]

100% sure

[vapid forge]

1st glance I’m actually preferring this. Now I won’t go in top group champs as quick, right ?

[dim palm]

Mine started small. Have 100 now

[wary epoch]

As tiebreaker was broken, I had everyone on shared P1, so I need to count them, felt like I had 100 from the start

[vapid forge]

Yeah mine is filling up now. Wondering if there’s more than 100 😂

[rough maple]

We don’t know how it will be tomorrow. Maybe it’s today random and tomorrow the right groups

[vapid forge]

Yeah maybe once the objectives reset the groups will switch ?

[wary epoch]

Not exactly sure, how this thing play out in future, its my personal feeling, this could be better grouping. You can be lucky and gets easier grouping, or unlucky and still gets hard grouping. Whales will be happy, because they will not be grouped together and risking Q medal 😄 only downside is, that those strugling players with not real grind will start having more problems in champion, but who cares, if they dont spend? 😄

Also lets see how things goes for tomorrow, if players are again randomly filled, or you still goes with your group of 50 and merge another group of 50 😄

[vapid forge]

The positive thing I’d take is now you don’t have to worry about getting bad group as a maxed player

[brittle hill]

Every time I check my group I've gone from top to bottom to the middle😅,I guess the objectives are not gunna be reset either

[vestal thunder]

I have 10 🤣

[steel trench]

It’s probably a bug only, don’t get your hopes up.

P.s. with random groups it’ll be even worse do f2p and low spenders so don’t celebrate 🤣

[long vessel]

Nobody knows, not even Hutch 🤣

[wary epoch]

Who cares, if they dont spend ! 😄

[oak mulch]

I’m not sure groups are totally random. I’ve got players I’d expect to see. Feels different from last season when they threw in the global grouping.

[vapid forge]

That’s what the game wants 😄

[vestal thunder]

Its just a try from hutch to get people to spend. Random this GP, everyone joins champs next week and grouping is back to normal = people need to spend to get to FR

[vestal remnant]

We are same group

[steel trench]

The intern pressed the wrong button again

[vestal remnant]

You mean the right button

I dont see no One up set

[steel trench]

I mean the wrong button, whales have less incentive to spend, so it will likely be reversed soon 😉

[vestal remnant]

Oh yeah that... I thought wasnt about money

[steel trench]

Well it helps if people willingly do it 😉

[long vessel]

Marketing team is fuming now. How are they supposed to sell those Mansell crates today?

[vestal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fernando-alonso-jolyon-palmer-karma-f1-formula1-gif-19446995

[steel trench]

Still there for tomorrow 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[fathom nest]

Welcome to the world of "dynamic grouping" 🤣 🤣

[rough maple]

Yeah, seeing the scores not that hard to qualify

[steel trench]

I’ll take that one

[wary epoch]

better than 4 cards of podium star, isnt it? 😅

[vestal remnant]

Share holders crying right now

I m so sad for them

[steel trench]

7 Bortoleto turbo ….

[vestal remnant]

No, we ll BE fine even without Mansel... I Saw you dont have max

[wary epoch]

Struggle is real 😅

[vapid forge]

I guess this grouping rewards our grinding now. We unlock crates to get more lvls, we get stronger and more chances of good results

[half cliff]

Well that's not good thing to look at

[tardy timber]

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like this grouping… 🙂

[vestal remnant]

Show US

[vapid forge]

Well, I don’t 100% like it. Less time to play means less lvls

But get used to it 😄

[tardy timber]

I'm not the problem. I look at it from the team's perspective, that's more important to me. With one move, they nullify the team's strategy that you were disciplined for and that you've been sticking to all year.

[fathom nest]

They have always done it about 2 years like in flags we got a change after 2 years that took before season reset

[tardy timber]

Yes, exactly.

[half cliff]

My group is short as there's only 63 of us

[fathom nest]

Wait for it ....

[vapid forge]

It’ll likely fill up. Mine started with like 15, now there’s pretty much like 90

[half cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-say-another-word-be-quiet-hush-shh-shut-up-gif-15587652

[urban surge]

And I don't really like it, considering those guys who will take all the cream in the final.

[vapid forge]

I got a bit sweaty when I saw 15 in my 1st attempt 😅

[hardy wolf]

I hope for hutch that this is just a bug, the mass uninstall is coming soon.

If the way is to change things from one day to the next there is no point in continuing to play

[tardy timber]

So big spenders got easier groups 🙂

[half cliff]

I haven't been in higher group than the bottom since I've got 2 F Medals from the last 2 GPs

[vapid forge]

If this is future grouping, I’ll probably enter champs every week now

[half cliff]

Well...

[vapid forge]

Mine is similar actually

[steel trench]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-your-shot-failed-too-early-to-celebrate-gif-4386070372114296046

[half cliff]

I'll be fine with Sponser task

[vestal remnant]

I get what you are saying but thats the thing you just saying we can manipulate the groups so for me thats not a good thing. Of course this is not how they ll be this is just a mistake that happened but i still dont agree with what you said

[night pond]

Not sure what you’re talking about…

[royal umbra]

Nick Young, he was fun to watch 😅

For me 99% what happened its a bug. Only question if it gets repaired for fr or next gp

[wild shoal]

Random groups is the best option.

[solar dragon]

132 lower points in baku. Cheers

[steel trench]

So luck decides entirely whether you even have a chance for a win? 🤣 depending how many whales you have in your group ?

[steel trench]

I’m going more than 99%, seems the tiebreaker didn’t count and it fell back to quali grouping

[lunar kite]

You call it manipulation
I'll prefer to call it as Hutch Sam put it:
"there are a few reasons why full details might not be shared in regards to certain aspects. From obvious commercial aspects but also some more intentional aspects of pushing Players to lore-craft and discover details themselves rather than be provided every piece of information from the outset"
This obviously means some will better adapt to the system than others, be it grouping or some other game aspects.

[vestal remnant]

Yeah i believe that too its based on entry... Question is... What about tomorrow

[wild shoal]

I want to play champion every week and be competitive. That is not gonna happen with historical grouping

[uncut nest]

Personally, I believe that we have reset the personal ranking and therefore, as the first event after the reset, the groups are random and will then be reformed later with a new ranking... I think they mentioned something about this in the past... And if that's the case, I think it was the right thing to do.

[vestal remnant]

Yeah grouping as it is can BE manipulated... He can say whatever but a lot of US know they can and how to

[glacial charm]

I now have one s12 asset 🤣

[steel trench]

Nothing guarantees you will be competitive with random groups. You could have 50 people spending more than you or luckier with drops week in and week out and that’s it

[steel trench]

If it didn’t work today it’s likely it won’t work tomorrow also

[rough maple]

Don’t have the extra points. Just need rewards in the hope I can lvl up for the cc points

[vestal remnant]

Yeah that what i think... But who knows

[wild shoal]

Yes I fully agree with you but for the last couple of monts I am fighting just to qualify on Saturday

[steel trench]

Question is why it didn’t work as it was ok in quali

[glacial charm]

I decided to only get Q medal this week as every week I get high contender pos I’m making a potential champion way harder

[steel trench]

That’s why I’m not a fan of random groups. That makes it yet another thing to pray for - like getting podium stars from legendaries 🤣

[vestal remnant]

Yeah well we might not BE same group tomorrow as we may go back to entry base

[lunar kite]

Yes, I'm saying that's a consequence of how things are setup, not by itself necessarily bad, but rather intended part of the game.

[vestal remnant]

They dont need to be random but the problem its this is SBMM based só you are rewarding all the same but the stakes are not the same

[vestal remnant]

Oh for sure... They know very well what they want... They want to put all egoes toghether to see who spend the most, as soon One spend the others have to follow

[steel trench]

Not rewarding all the same means gap can become larger and larger and larger with zero chance of a comeback. Take whale groups - imagine if Toni was getting more and more and more and more than you with same results

Anyway, this will likely be over by next week 🤣

[night pond]

I’m fuming, just when i got a bit of luck with Mansell I am in a group with some biggies (which could never happen last week). My one hope of securing that Champs P1 is potentially gone 😩

[hardy wolf]

After every update, weird things always happen. Changing things during the season shows how serious this game is. 00000000

[grave lodge]

I'm offended by your choice of players cause I plane to beat them 😎

[vestal remnant]

So you are seeing things as a casual that wants the same as a pro... Right.. makes sense

[steel trench]

So you are a casual compared to Toni for example? 🤣

[vestal remnant]

No... If you want to put my group in consideration i m a pro but top20 when ONLY 10 get trough... Where that happens more in champs?

[tardy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/were-looking-at-a-pro-lieutenant-olivia-benson-sergeant-odafin-tutuola-law-and-order-special-victims-unit-professional-gif-14148302

[urban surge]

You spend 10000€ and maybe beat it

[vestal remnant]

Why do i need to push harder than others when the reward is the same? Why i cannot drop a single point somethimes a single tenth when others with 200 PTS are getting P1?

[steel trench]

Small groups have always been an issue. Or a blessing sometimes. But this isn’t what you are saying

[vestal remnant]

No... Its what you are saying, not me

[final vigil]

Ok so if the groups have reset who will tank this GP to stay out of the top spenders group in champs? 🤣

[steel trench]

Eh no. You are saying if you score higher you must get more rewards - because you are doing “better”

[vestal remnant]

The reality its that to BE fair we need more tiers and whatever tier you enter you get what you get

[glacial charm]

Have groups really reset?

[vestal remnant]

No... I m saying we cannot BE based by "rank" when everyone gets the same

[final vigil]

I also think this is nuts when I see the low scores of others getting multiple champs P1s

[vestal remnant]

In a ranked game you get a rank and you get what you get

[steel trench]

I don’t think they have. It was fine on Thursday

[grave lodge]

no thanks, I prefer to do it F2P 🙂

[vestal remnant]

Here you join champs and you get easy group if the game considers you weak and hard if the game considers you strong... Thats not rank thats SBMM

[steel trench]

Game won’t consider you weak week in and week out. You are moving up and then you hit a wall

[uncut nest]

@steel trench Do you think it's a bug?

[low rain]

Ok this matchmaking is such a joke, I'm in series 10 and I kid you not the past 20 races I've been put against people 100+ team score higher than me. I stood no chance jeez

[steel trench]

Absolutely

[vestal remnant]

Thats not entirely true and you know it

[uncut nest]

The strange thing is that the starting grid when everyone is at 0 was not based on the score achieved in Q.

[steel trench]

Isn’t it ? Last week to example I finished 50-something because I don’t have the podiums. 35 guys had them. It would have been roughly top 20-25 as I expect to be with my levels of assets. And it’s getting harder per week

[vestal remnant]

Yeah there are Multiple reasons why companies love SBMM its wrong but they love it cuz they can push egoes against each other making their life a hell but they assume they wont leave as they are competitive and it makes the life easier to "casuals" making them believe they are "good" making them Stay but its unfair and manipulative

[low rain]

ok this has gotta be a practical joke jeez my team score is1221 and i get someone 1447

[vestal remnant]

Basicly it punish sucess and rewarsds mediocracy

[steel trench]

Not going through to the final isn’t success 🤣

[low rain]

someone help me i wanna punch someone

[vestal remnant]

having a tough week isnt reason... We can both play that game

[solar dragon]

F groups my match ups have been incredibly brutal

[final vigil]

Ya I've played against a lot of these players you speak of. As I'm sure you have as well and they absolutely do suck and need to be coddled by hutch to keep them playing and spending. Because why would you keep doing this when you already have over a hundred thousand boost and a maxed out account and still keep getting Q medals or don't even finish in the top 40. This is absolutely so some of them can get their champs P1 for the CC points. 💯% completely an ego stroke!

[steel trench]

We can 😉 having more tough weeks than good ones isn’t ideal ;),

[vestal remnant]

I mean, i m not gonna enter on that on why people do what they do, thats up to them, but the reality stays... As "stronger" the game considers you get the worst it gets to get the same

[wispy tangle]

when does f1 update to the new season?

[hazy herald]

When does the 2026 season start so I know when the reset will take place?

[wispy tangle]

yes

[vestal remnant]

Again tough its part of the game and thats fine, you are completely missing the point. A P1 its a P1 if you get 424 or 200,. The problem its, One place higher and you are, in theory p100 in OR on place lower and you are P1 in OR for the same rewards

[final vigil]

All I'm saying is that when asked why I'm in our group. I'm told it's based on my performances. But I'm not even close to most of everyone in our group. Then hutch says there is nothing they can do about it. But now that so many of them still need their champs P1 they do this ? 🤔 Really makes you think about why now.

[rough maple]

Doesn’t matter. Only what I want is reaching FR

[wispy tangle]

wait what did i just get kicked out of my club?

[vestal remnant]

I mean i dont know maybe something poped... You know... Its Hutch... But i get what you are saying but again if someone defends this grouping they dont understand SBMM and the SIDE effects it brings that are bad especially on a competitive game, if we can call this a competitive game

[final vigil]

So what I'm hearing you saying is I should finish p99 in the FR if I get through to stay out of the top group? 🤔 😂

[violet pivot]

Hello there you

[fathom nest]

Let’s not all get our panties in a twist lol. There is still Sunday to come and waking up to reality 🤣 🤣

[vestal remnant]

No... Not even close

[final vigil]

😂

[hazy herald]

When does the 2026 season start so I know when the reset will take place?

[steel trench]

What do you propose ? Random so whales pray on weaker players just to stroke their ego? We had that for 2 years with flag based groups.

More tiers ? So gap increases all the time and remains that way for years ?

[steel trench]

Have you tried searching for it instead of asking every minute ?

[hazy herald]

Yes

[vestal remnant]

Yes, if you want to cassify players by rank as Hutch does on a background you need to have tiers, and if you want to make them more competitive you need to have more tiers to BE able to acomudate them more clossely

[steel trench]

You have ? And out of the close to 7000 results you disnt find it ?

[vestal remnant]

I mean its not even hard, not done just by lazzyness or greed pick One

[final vigil]

In the beginning of May bud, same as every season.

[fathom nest]

I tried and it is confusing the results 🤣 🤣

[hazy herald]

I can't find the reset date, sorry

[final vigil]

Well back to the top group next week for me then. 🤷

[fathom nest]

Tomorrow 🤣 🤣

[vestal remnant]

I dont know mate, if its a bug yeah most likelly

[tired pendant]

Did they change something in grouping method ?

[vestal remnant]

Share holders need their Mansell cut

[final vigil]

😆

[fathom nest]

Scroll up 10 pages and read it while you do something useful

[fathom nest]

I think already fulfilled their pockets

[steel trench]

Low / no / moderate spenders are NOT your competition. You shouldn't just look at these players as "filler guys who will help me finish higher in the GP" . We don't take anything away from you.

[vestal remnant]

Thats why they shouldnt BE in my tier getting more than me by doing less... Now you get it

[steel trench]

They aren't getting more than you are. A couple? Sure. But over the whole season they surely arent

[vestal remnant]

And btw no hate on them the problem its as soon Hutch rank US then the problem starts

[steel trench]

They have ranked us by flags also. It worked equally bad, but one could sandbag with little to no effort for a year

[final vigil]

But have you ever watched @vestal remnant race before? It's like watching someone chew rocks. 🤭🤣 Jk Mk693 😂

[vestal remnant]

Yes they are if i get lets say a p49 every players bellow p49 its getting more than me by doing less

[vestal remnant]

Not defending that either... A wrong thing doesnt make other right

[steel trench]

It doesn't. But leaving everything to luck - and you know that very well as you are mentioning it very often for the last weeks - isn't the solution 😄

[vestal remnant]

But i like when you say something but i argue it and you just move on to the Next One without question it... Good strategy to never BE wrong

[steel trench]

you cannot sustain this for the whole season in the lower groups. You simply can't. You will be put in groups where you wouldn't even go through relatively quickly

[final vigil]

Wow hold on! So you mean I've been wrong my whole life thinking that 2 wrong make something right? 🤣

[vestal remnant]

Yes you can unless they surpass me or whatever its at the top i vê seen guys getting a Q medal by doing perfect Score Q and OR só dont discuss this

[atomic saffron]

Why aren’t the daily tasks resetted yet?

[austere folio]

https://tenor.com/view/lilnouns-nouns-lil-nouns-dao-noggles-gif-27131043

[steel trench]

Fine, let's rephrase this. A "mediocre" guy as you put it will not be able to run champion from the start and do well every week. Even top 50 with the ways groups work now. He / She will hit a point where progressing to the final will also be a challenge.

Finishing top 50 (let's pick that as a number) in half of the GPs over the year is 25x 70 epics or ~1700 in total.

So you want to tell me that you won't be able to win more assets than that guy over the season by running your GPs?

[final vigil]

Been like this since Monday bud. Hopefully it will go back to normal on Monday

[robust arrow]

Hey guys, quick noob question here, why I didn't lose all my car equipments and drivers after the new season update?

[steel trench]

Because new season update hasn't happened

[robust arrow]

ohh alright thanks

[vestal remnant]

If i get a group with 28 and i m p16 all weeks i get 0 só....

[final vigil]

@opal carbon what will happen with the objectives on Sunday? I ask because I usually collect some right before it switches over to the next week's objectives. Will the time stay the same as it is in now or go back to normal? I ask because I don't want to not be able to collect them like I normally do.

[vestal remnant]

And i ll do 370 ish and he do 100

[steel trench]

And that doesn't happen all weeks. And if you DO go through - one of these is already 2x of his F medals

[vestal remnant]

For both sides

But the small group yes all weeks

[steel trench]

Well no, as there are no small groups in the "mediocre" ones

[steel trench]

I would claim at 9 as always. Less risk

[vestal remnant]

Yes, on the average players ranked by Hutch there is no small group ONLY for the top

[steel trench]

Which, again - you said he'll surpass you and get more out of GPs overall. And that isn't the reality

[final vigil]

Ya that's what I was planning to do. I'm just trying to make sure something won't go off sooner. Or if it stays the same I can wait longer to do so.

[lunar kite]

The grouping is based on prior success, which correlates to accumulated rewards. Not how strong or how skilled you are. So, if somebody starts with an easy champs to get some rewards, that's just the initial success. They couldn't sustain it, and overall you as a spender will earn more. But, it will be increasingly more difficult as you accumulate more. What you're saying is you should be getting more rewards as it gets tougher, rather than same rewards with ever increasing difficulty.

[vestal remnant]

No... You are not getting it... Its not about the rewards per say its about the competition... Otherwhise we would have to discuss even the drops

[steel trench]

But you did say he's getting "more". What more is it then if it's not the rewards? More medals? What? 😄

[final vigil]

This will always be difficult to explain to anyone not in the #1 top group in champs like we are. I know what you mean Mk

[stark crown]

I don't if it's just my group, 5 mins ago total 29 people were in there but now it jumped to 50 ... This might happen based on QR entry but in OR, groups started with fixed number of people always ?

[vestal remnant]

Yes, every player that reach a FR by doing less are getting more in a sense of competitive game I Guess you never played One

[night pond]

Buna buna

[steel trench]

I am not getting what he means that lower guys are getting more and he's getting 0.

You think it's impossible for people in lower groups not to go through? 😄

[violet citrus]

@patent quiver You were 1-2 in contender ? Achieving 1-2 in champion needs great boost with a high ts .

[vestal remnant]

F1 should do a reverse grid because it needs to help the ones with less to get a easier... Right?

[violet pivot]

I think in my opinion performance based groups are well thought, the only issue is the fact you aren’t able to escape top group after you got there. I feel like that’s the only fair grouping, no flag based or any other shenanigans

[stark crown]

I get MK s point and to certain extent I agree ... But I also see benefits of randomization.... In the end, I am leaning towards randomization as game is kind of converging on luck in terms of rewards or assets from crate and this is just another avenue ... But let's see what happens over next weekend

[vestal remnant]

Its not even because of top group, i get what you are saying by the game reality, but its just how SBMM works and he doesnt know whats that

[violet pivot]

Randomisation is only good for people that got in top group with people spending high amounts and cannot escape

[stark crown]

Also, we don't yet know, they might have an idea to get more people in FR and in FR bunch toughest guys to fight it out ?

[stark crown]

I am there currently !!

[vestal remnant]

But they dont want random... They want a rank when doing less gives you more😂😂😂😂

[steel trench]

No need to go personal there 😄

You are competing against people playing the game like you are. You aren't competing against anyone below, or above if there was one. Players wanted to compete against people that are their strength.

Random will be back to you guys devouring everyone else. Why? Because you know why 😄

[vestal remnant]

Regardless if its medals cards Boosts... It Will always give more to those that does less

[violet pivot]

Yea I’m not for random, if it’s performance based, you got your chance to p1 earlier this season, if someone just started late and gets an easier group it is what it is. The issue is even getting q or not playing a gp after you are placed in top group you cannot relegate

[steel trench]

3 wins and you are getting more than 25 times F medals for someone "mediocre"

[royal umbra]

Then do less and get more , free choice 🙂

[stark crown]

You know what .. I say , limit group entries to 50 in OR, and fill up with bots for remaining 50, do same for FR ... It will be fun.. at least now there will be a way to gain more assets

[violet pivot]

So it doesn’t matter if you get 100 or 424 to get p1 in champs

[vestal remnant]

I dont want random... What i want is if Hutch rank US lets BE ranked

[final vigil]

To be fair this could be because of the CC coming out. Now there are a ton of newer players jumping up to champs because they think they are running out of time. To get more CC points maybe. 🤷

[steel trench]

Tiebreaker isn't working. No way that's intended

[vestal remnant]

This is not it... This is SBMM when who does less can have more

[steel trench]

But if you are ranked - you would be in exactly the same group no?

[royal umbra]

Everyone is focused on fair competition but Hutch is focused on getting most money out of it - that will always be their priority in creating grouping or anything else here , lets face the reality.

[vestal remnant]

Finnaly someone with a right answer

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-fire---aurora-alani-gif-4585137605931258338

[vestal remnant]

Cuz you are not wrong, but that would BE manipulting the SBMM

[stark crown]

Or , build a global ranking based on assets needed for the tracks/boosted assets vs what player has .... And decide grouping based on that... That way, people start on equal footing ?

[loud salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-jordiigit-eating-popcorn-eat-popcorn-gif-18398127

[violet pivot]

Won’t be good as no one would spend

[royal umbra]

Im mentioning TS grouping since long time ago , it would totally prevent manipulations , but it will still group the whales togehter 🙂

[mighty grove]

My group is so tough, might not qualify - the p1 currently with medals (I’m second week in challenger fyi)

[loud salmon]

Let me join 😂

[vestal remnant]

Not discussing that but then would BE a choice to go as higher as possible and get what i vê put up... This is not it

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-1012619590203535730

[loud salmon]

I’m just enjoying it so much cause I don’t have to worry about Q to tomorrow anymore 😂😂

[night trellis]

Come join me its fun looking at how everyone gets mad, about a one time bug probably that will only stay for OR lol

[final vigil]

Have you ever seen someone who wasn't playing for a while. Then jumps back on after a few months. And then everything they get are great rewards. My son first crates at the end of the last season he got MSC. I do see how they reward players for less to keep them playing.

[lunar kite]

You shouldn't be looking at a single GP, but the entire season. It starts easy with less accumulated rewards, but then the amount of work to get the same reward increases the same for everyone if you already got more before. This isn't per se unfair. It's a system of diminishing returns.

[loud salmon]

Funny sh….t 😂

[night trellis]

Yeah lol everyone complains but should be easier FR idk why they complain tho....

[stark crown]

TS can still be manipulated... What I was saying is you what assets will be used in GP based on tracks... Get level of those assets for all players (get cards in place of levels as that leaves room for a bit of manipulation)... And then group them.. that way, they are forced to use correct assets and compete with people who have similar levels of assets ?

[steel trench]

so how would that be different to now? You have the choice now also. You chose not to take it. With your chosing in this theoretical actual rank system - you face exactly the same issues

[night trellis]

It's the end of the season f it

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/celery-celerycash-defi-smartbch-bch-gif-23857618

[vestal remnant]

I m not looking at a single GP thats the thing... ypu guys dont know what SBMM is and thats fine but i do so thats the thing

[loud salmon]

Careful, careful we’re right in the middle of the alpha pack, we may get bitten 😂

[royal umbra]

What I mean is theoretical highest TS possible from your assets. You cant manipulate that - cards you get you cannot give back. It would also solve bad GP rewards issue.

[steel trench]

which is pure luck again. I've not had a single driver in my runs. it's NOT a guarantee and for the 1 person that gets lucky - there are 100 who aren't even with a good result

[stark crown]

Makes sense

Oh joy .. 5 more added to my group

[vestal remnant]

Let me put this way... lets say for ex a champions league play off when the stronger teams are on one side and the weaker teams are on the other side... who is gonna reach the final? The best one and the 9th one most likelly... not the 2 best ones, not even the 3th not even the 4th...

[tardy lance]

Only different is people spending in FR but that happens anyway

I’ve always said make groups based on best possible TS

However, will still get Low TS groups, and then spend huge to get P1

[steel trench]

Guys in top group see "Oh that guy got easy groups, he's getting it all". And then they get

[stark crown]

That's okay to certain extent if people want to spend right ?

[vestal remnant]

I couldnt make it easier to understant... even aston villa could reach the final in this format

[royal umbra]

Yeah , Im not saying that its perfect but it at least reduces sandbagging greatly and also solves bad GP rewards issue. Open to hear better ideas but didnt see any so far. And random groups definitely isnt one.

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/kunai-nakasato-kunai-nakasato-nijisanji-niji-sanji-gif-2007118682286875933

[dawn swift]

yeah this game sucks bots stall the start i get glitched out so hard again and i can't even recover

cause of several bugs in this game it's incredible

[wooden musk]

I like this one. Need a good programmer for that one.

[tardy lance]

Spending is how this game survives, if not we be racing with random AI driver names and have hello kitty collabs

[dawn swift]

i lost THIS

[violet pivot]

With same ts groups, why would you even spend a dime then? Do you really think that would happen?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[stark crown]

I think champs rewards should be s9-s12 rares and s10-12 epics .... Getting progressively towards s11/12 assets for tougher groups ... So, there is a sense of good rewards .. not like some attempting champs first gets in 400 beast and then coast on it for a month !

[tardy lance]

Circuit?

[dawn swift]

hungary

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/alpha-sh-f1-charles-leclerc-editing-f1edits-gif-24075756

[final vigil]

That was suggested already this year in a survey. 😂

[tardy lance]

There’s not a lot in that match up at all

[stark crown]

You would ... If you are closer to next level and want to have benefits after group ... But this way would certainly be better

[dawn swift]

i had both perfect race starts, my drivers end up glitching into the AI that stalled the start, i was p23 and 24 going into t1, this is just stupid

[violet pivot]

For 1 gp, cuz next one you are in a worse group

[tardy lance]

That’s called luck.. it happens

[steel trench]

People complain about TS now all the time, imagine if groups were also based on TS 😄

[stark crown]

Nope ...

[dawn swift]

no, cause it happens all the time, this game isn't optimised

[night trellis]

I say let's have random group until next season!
Let everyone enjoy this madness!
I'm sure everyone will enjoy it and no one will complain

[violet pivot]

Yea group would still be as good or as bad since your ts will alter from one gp
To the other

But they will go from people spending weekly to people spending when they are close to assets

[dawn swift]

how am i finding myself here talking about glitches so much compared to the last 4 seasons combined, it's incredible how more stuff can be added and nothing can be fixed

[violet pivot]

Again do you think that will stick?

[stark crown]

But you will be grouped with people of similar TS ... So same competitiveness

[loud salmon]

Don’t be so sure
Look at this chat how much is buzzing 😂
Thousands spent for nothing 😂

[tardy lance]

Let’s hold a minute silence for those who dropped lower GP this weekend to try avoid big groups on champs for it to be random 🙏🙏

[wooden musk]

Even better if they can know your highest TS of your best possible setup for every single track in a particular GP and group based on a score of that. Although that sounds much harder than adding a new discord channel for game offers 🤣

[steel trench]

People would complain by next week at the latest 😄

[steel trench]

Unless it's not random tomorrow 😄

[tardy lance]

Thousands spent for nothing is incorrect in the scheme, 1 Gp won’t give you 140% CC

[stark crown]

I hear from the little bird you spent quite a bit initially !!!!! 😉

[tardy lance]

Yeah but big issue is the Saturday getting through

[steel trench]

Maybe it will be like like 2nd Q group - 2/3 fixed and 1/3 fillers? 😄

[loud salmon]

Maxed out acc at 21 and me at 22 with barely 1k maximum spent, mostly on bucks

[tardy lance]

You have better skill 😆

[loud salmon]

If 1k is a lot then I’m an angel

[loud salmon]

I liked you before but now the % increased

[stark crown]

1k over a season is quite a lot... I topup bucks but my cap this year has been 550 so far including pit passes !!!

[royal umbra]

1k on a bugged mobile game.. well doesnt sound so cheap 😄

[solar dragon]

Cor 1k

[night trellis]

Yeah I know I'm just saying stupid stuff and this point

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/pick-me-blake-shelton-the-voice-choose-me-over-here-gif-16888083

[stark crown]

My 550 .. spent on numerous legendary crates !! 😂😂😂 And won't be the case for next year as it's not profitable anymore

[loud salmon]

I didn’t took money from nobody’s pocket so what’s the problem

[violet pivot]

Tani just earns good

If she affords props to her

[loud salmon]

YouTube pays good 😂

[stark crown]

Sorry I am not attacking you or anything .. just an observation I made, if it came across as such, I apologize !!! Yes it's your money what you spend on is completely your choice !

[final vigil]

😂

[tardy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-will-ferrell-handshake-funny-high-five-gif-17612038

[vestal remnant]

Where your f2p went?

[loud salmon]

I didn’t have a lot of crate reduction this season as it’s my first so I spend a lot of bucks opening everything
At the end of the season it’s quite a lot 😂

[steel trench]

Imagine if it wasn’t bugged 🤣

[final vigil]

🤭

[tardy lance]

Forgot to Qualify 😬😂😂

[stark crown]

At this rate , I wonder why Drs Andy doesn't spend much ! With his YouTube revenue !!!I know azza does spending on his main, going by some some videos and his asset levels (evident from GP scores !)

[night trellis]

Ouch

[loud salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/approve-wink-smile-idris-elba-thumbs-up-gif-7009997246830746970

[tardy lance]

Hey,,, I don’t earn revenue👀

[dawn swift]

can't imagine something that is impossibile in all universes

[stark crown]

I know !!! You realize it by December once you look back ... Even with CR , you end up spending quite a bit ..

[steel trench]

What's the incentive to fix bugs if people are spending regardless? 😄

[night trellis]

You forget he's like the mossad but instead of working in for a country he works for hutch 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[dawn swift]

exactly, it's like a promoted scam atp

[stark crown]

Demonitised ?

[tardy lance]

No, wife spends it

[loud salmon]

True
But I’m learning from mistakes, next season I won’t do the same

[dawn swift]

ok im sorry for laughing

[stark crown]

That's a good cause !

[dawn swift]

that actually made me laugh holy

[steel trench]

Shouldn't have married 😄

[dawn swift]

azza wear a scuderia ferrari shirt in your videos you might have HP and a few other sponsors come in (it's more possible than fixing bugs)

[vestal remnant]

I still wonder how he managed to do that... the skirt makes it a bit easier to understand

[stark crown]

If my wife knows I spend this much here , I would be on couch indefinitely.. that's is why, I buy Tesco credit directly from salary and use that to buy Google gift cards from Tesco store and spend here .. won't show up in statements at least !

[dawn swift]

smart

[tardy lance]

I use an excuse that I have to buy to help drive content….. 😂😂😂

[royal umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/very-sneaky-3

[dawn swift]

let's hope your wife isn't here

[tardy lance]

“I will get it back on the long run” 😂😂

[stark crown]

Keep changing .. that won't hold up indefinitely

[tardy lance]

She sees the account dont worry! 😂

[wooden musk]

Do you have to play under the covers too when she comes in the room 🤣

[vestal remnant]

And i can confirm thatz true

[steel trench]

He'd be under the covers all day 😄 I'd assume no 😄

[dawn swift]

'honey what's this massive $200 payment???'

'errr... drive content, gotta spend some to make some..!'

[stark crown]

Playing she is fine with .. gets annoyed every now and then but easier to manage

[steel trench]

with a leftover tesco card? 😄

[dawn swift]

hmm.. you're his wife..?

i see a correlation here

[stark crown]

E card... Exactly topup 100 and use 100 Google play card ... Remove from wallet once done .. and none the wiser . There is still trust in marriage left so she won't check my paystubs !

[tardy lance]

I think having 2 accounts for me (spend and F2P) has opened my eyes

Long run… there’s a 20% Season Score between the 2. I think next season spending less and racing is more is the plan

[stark crown]

Yeah this season score change is messed up... Was correct last year ,

[tardy lance]

Spending is driven by Ego

At the end of the season, most players who play the season are within 10% based on season score of old

[stark crown]

And impulse for a specific level or gp

[final vigil]

I have a suspicion that the only change to the groups is for the OR going forward and the FR will be back to normal. 🤷 I do hope not! 😂

[stark crown]

It worked out in my case even if true.. no mansell, so in old group, I did not have chance to qualify.. but now I have !! With this junior champs group ..😂😂😂😂

[royal umbra]

Yeah.. two podium legends lucky pulls equal to champs p1 😆 ( assuming having contender done )

[vestal remnant]

Worst... i m his lover.... so he tells me everything

[dawn swift]

i see

[tardy lance]

Free 2 Play or Pit Pass only is more than possible on this game if we don’t get lured into the bad habits

Groupings are based on continuous good results which impact mostly the spending players who elevate themselves quicker and then can’t compete out of certain Gps where there good levels don’t count

The true F2P/PP only players continue a slower progression through the season, but can still be within touching distance of those big players, but sit just below the groupings

We always focus on the spend, but forget what is truly possible if you play your cards right

[final vigil]

😂

[wooden musk]

It's hard to tell, but that's actually Azza in MK's pfp

[dawn swift]

bro why was antonelli who was lapped fighting me all the time i lost so many points cause of it, its unbelievable

[vestal remnant]

He didnt deny it 🤣

[royal umbra]

Doing that for 2 years since i started and never complained or spent anything over pitpass

[dawn swift]

i knew it

[stark crown]

He was pissed from the crash this morning.. and took it out on you ...😂

[steel trench]

F2p/PP only players need to enter a season with a lower target in mind. And game is at least somewhat enjoyable if you lower your expectations

[dawn swift]

it's a joke honestly, lapped cars should be ghost if anything, tired of having them squeeze me at the apex all the time and i lose more positions

[stark crown]

Known thing... We have learnt to live with it

[tardy lance]

What do I enjoy more

Main account
Free 2 Play

Main account gives expectations I must win
Free 2 Play gives no expectations and results are more rewarding

[steel trench]

95% previous years, or ~110-120 this year OR 80% next year when they bomb us with CC going back to 100% and all of this nonsense bundled in 😄

[final vigil]

Here's where I'm at so far and I only spend $30 a month pit pass and 20 for bucks to open crates and buy the not so free boost. But I raced a ton, granted a lot of these races were from S1 but not that much. The club still needs the rep. 😂

[wooden musk]

That's my thinking. More you spend, more grounds to complain.

[royal umbra]

I just counted my boosts yesterday. 1300 free plus 18900 premium. All on pitpass only for two years. Not even every month

[tardy lance]

Exactly… play it right and yes you can compete. If you know what your doing like you do

[tardy lance]

I won’t count mine 🤭

[royal umbra]

Thats why I always say we get way too many boosts 😁 ( I know its still less than before )

[stark crown]

You know the effort I Put in .. but for this ?

[steel trench]

For this you need to set your expectations from the start of the season. And you need to really stick to that goal and don't get trapped

[tardy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/my-family-ben-harper-devil-go-on-do-it-gif-1208242739776563719

[steel trench]

Since I started playing 😄

Roughly 5k increase since start of the season

Was at 36726/33296

Inb4 they reset them 😄

[royal umbra]

after two years Im fully covered till the end whenever the end will be

even if I wont get any single premium from now on

I really enjoyed the start when I had to save them and plan the usage

now it gets kinda boring

[steel trench]

it's a nice habit to have 😄

[rough maple]

Or those that trying to get p1 this week

[steel trench]

And for who time is ticking

[vestal remnant]

I m fine with that but i have a teammate in our group that if he can i ll be behind

[royal umbra]

and thats a great teamwork 👏 👌

[solar dragon]

Yeah one guy in my group 50 53 52 52 52 whilst some scored 7 9 etc lol

1st has 420 2nd has 316 😂😂😂

[steel trench]

Normal day

[rough maple]

Wonder how enjoyable Mr p1 his group is😂

[steel trench]

I guess we'll see a new one on Monday

[vestal remnant]

Yeah i mean i have my p1 he needs it so i ll stay out of his way

[glass granite]

I'm using Mansell in champion but the +6 doesn't count, bug?

[royal umbra]

Probably wrong Mansell 😉

[vestal remnant]

Podium mansel?

[steel trench]

Does your Mansell have this star-y background on his portrait? 😄

[glass granite]

Ok sorry 😂

[lunar kite]

If you think you understand something better, you should articulate it. I am sorry, you were smug about it, but it didn't sound like it from what you've been saying so far. You never know who you're talking to or what they understand.

First of all, it's a p2w game. Far from any skill being the main factor in calling it SBMM.

I'll give you a much better example instead. Have you ever played in an open Swiss-system chess tournament? You have masters and rookies competing together. After the first round, people are matched with progressively harder opponents, based on their success in previous games. While a single game always yields the same reward (1 point), it gets progressively harder to earn points as you move along. So, it can be a lot less effort for some to earn the same reward in a single game, but still hard to get many points over the season (tournament).

Now, for sure, Hutch could improve on grouping, but the overall idea of the same matching principle as for the Swiss tournaments does have merit. One difference is that the rewards come at the end of the tournament, rather than after each game. But each point will still contribute just the same to the final reward, regardless of whether it was won against a master in the final round or a rookie in the first round.

This example is a case in point that SBMM is not necessarily a bad thing, which was your main position. You wanted multiple tiers, with progressively higher rewards, and random grouping within each tier. Cool, but there are alternatives that could be more viable as a gaming system.

[pastel pier]

This is pure f2p

[pastel pier]

No pitpass and others

Is there something going on with grouping in champs?
The arrangement of people seems to not actually follow a pattern today
They didn’t arrange according to scores

[latent kayak]

I sometimes feel bad for the people that use slicks when theres 40% rain because they think water will dissapear in five seconds after

[violet citrus]

OMG!!!!

[formal pike]

Alonso L5 or Norris PS for race start tracks in this GP weekend?

[wooden musk]

@tardy lance @rough maple are both of you in contender?

[molten hawk]

Got a very easy group this time.. till last week was struggling to qualify... Any changes to the game?

[river matrix]

Am I the only one that thinks a legendary crate will be much more beneficial at the beginning of next season than a legends arise crate?

[vapid forge]

Alonso

[vapid forge]

No, legendary crates have more resources. Would prefer that but it’s only s1

[jaunty halo]

Hi, im designing a pit lane for f1 circuit. What do u think any suggestions?

[steel trench]

Normally it will be such a minimal difference you won’t notice it. S1 legendary has much less epics

[steel trench]

As previously - suggest to use a proper channel

[vestal remnant]

Ok, going with the p2w aspect, you are correct but hutch used that as performance therefore the SBMM. When i say it doesnt really mean there is a skill involved but a performance that hutch consider, and thats the thing you make the life harder to those that peeforme better acording to hutch and easier to those that performe less good and the reward its the same. One good ex of SBMM beeing used in a good way would be chess as someone like Magnus with 3000 elo if faces a IM like maybe Gothan with 2400 would take less elo if win and loses more if loses but that is still to all

[jaunty halo]

They are not as active as here)

[steel trench]

Doesn’t mean you have to spam unrelated channels though

[jaunty halo]

But still following that advice

[desert bay]

Hutch I got a new catch phrase for you
"Take everything give nothing" put it right under the hutch logo.
3 S11 platinum crates
4 total S11 Epics rest series 6 and below...WTF

[steel trench]

4 out of 21 (1 drop out of 6) considering there are 25 possible epics up to s11 isn’t that bad

[night trellis]

You're not alone but it's an s1 legendary so it's worthless

[steel trench]

You will start with a S3 legendary though 😉

I mean S3 legendary driver

[dry matrix]

I’d take some high race start boost maybe

Series 3 legendary huh?

[dry matrix]

Champs next GP event

[steel trench]

Arise crates have a guaranteed legendary and at that level the only option would be a junior legendary -> S3 legendary

[violet citrus]

@dry matrix i know lol

[tardy lance]

champs main, f2p i forgot to enter

[lunar kite]

Note that in the Swiss tourney system, performance alone makes the next game harder, while still earning the same reward (a point won). So, even if we had public ELO ratings, as in chess, and the season were treated as a tourney and a single GP counted as a game, better performance would mean harder matching next time, despite the ELO loss. The only thing ELO influences is first-round grouping. After that, it's all about game performance for subsequent matching.

My point is that it's far more likely we'll still have a grouping system like that, and the question is what to tweak. Swiss is the way to go when there are many players competing, and it's not feasible to have many different tiers.

In my view, the issue is in some fine details. For example, success doesn't connect so much with the actual rewards when you get epic Kimi and similar for P1 champs. Also, we have a question of how low exactly your next match should be after a loss, like in chess. Also, what exactly is considered a loss, given the F reward you get. Things like that.

[wooden musk]

Roger that. 🫡

[vestal remnant]

The problem its clear if Hutch rank us make it ranked but its not its SBMM if SBMM you are rewarding the ones that do less and penalize the ones that do good for no reason thats all. The other aspects i m not getting into that qnyx just Brough them to make it more confusing and Change what this was all about.

[high willow]

When does the season end and restart ?

I’ve only just come back from 2 years off lol

[steel trench]

Yes, sure I brought "i'm getting less stuff than some mediocre guy gets" up 😄

[vestal remnant]

Because you brought rewards... Here we go...

[steel trench]

You did. I didn't. YOU did 😄

Want me to show you where exactly too?

[lunar kite]

I believe Hutch has us ranked internally for grouping. It would be cool to make it public for shows, like ELO. But, as I've tried to point out, this would still keep the matchings SBMM, just like in chess tourneys. You could then argue, depending on details, whether somebody with the same amount of points won at the end of the season got it easier or not. In our case, it's medals won and then associated assets. The connection could be made better and clearer, just as in chess.

[vestal remnant]

No i spoke about SBMM and it penalizes who performed better and make it easier to those that dont

[lunar kite]

anyway, I'll have to get to other things now - would be cool to open any suggested changes as a suggestion in the dedicated channel

[steel trench]

#💬│f1-clash-general message #💬│f1-clash-general message
#💬│f1-clash-general message
#💬│f1-clash-general message
#💬│f1-clash-general message

Every single one of these you talk about rewards. From the very beginning

[vestal remnant]

#💬│f1-clash-general message

1st mention of rewards in this converstation

Good try though

[steel trench]

No, your try is good - #💬│f1-clash-general message here is the first mention of rewarding 😉

[vestal remnant]

No... yours was before

[steel trench]

10:49 is before 10:34? 😄 ahm

[vestal remnant]

Not mention rewards so... I m talking about rewarding in a diferent context but good try

[dry matrix]

@violet citrus I quit that matchup

1700s who qualify high on Canada gets me angry. Sorry

[steel trench]

Sure, definitely that’s the case 🤣 can you expand on what “rewarding” would be in this case ? Don’t spin it though.

[vestal remnant]

Sure... Points, REP, ELO whatever you wanna call it

[steel trench]

We get assets medal and boosts out of these.

And a hidden rating that keeps you there.

I’ll gladly talk less “Elo” so I get in more difficult groups in a slower matter. And that would still make absolutely no difference to you either and you will still be in the same group against th same guys

But that’s not what you want is it ? So no, that wasn’t the “rewarding” you referred to there

[vestal remnant]

For ex we do duels to win coins crates and trophy what if a win and a Lost Gave the same? We wouldnt go for the win as fearcly

[steel trench]

if you want to exclude certain "mediocre" guys from champion - that's another story. But say it like that, don't just say you want higher elo 😄 or rating. OR whatever Hutch refers to

[vestal remnant]

You are completely missing the point and talk like you do... I ll say for God know allready the same thing... If we are ranked make ir ranked

[violet citrus]

@dry matrix ots alright we camt win them all brother

[steel trench]

We are ranked

And because we are ranked i'm not in your group

[vestal remnant]

In your head its all about the big guys beating the not só big... Thats not the point

[vestal remnant]

But you are in champs like me

So we have the same rank but we not facing each other... Why?

[steel trench]

But you are taking it in that direction. You want "more rewarding" stuff because you are in a higher tier

[vestal remnant]

No no dont Change the subject keep going from what you start

And i m not on a higher tier... I m in the same as you

[steel trench]

And I cannot sustain it in the long term and have extremely limited amount of tries to pull it off. You like football analogies and already used a few - I have one chance to go and win Premier League as a freshly promoted club. Can I win it every year against Chelsea? No, but if stars aligned I can. And that's it. While you - as the Chelsea or Man City or whatever you prefer club - can do it every year

[vestal remnant]

Yeah you didnt reply... Just Changed the subject

Hard to lose a discussion doing that

[steel trench]

Are you reading or just trying to pick a fight? 😄 I just said we're in the same group - FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME

[ornate geyser]

How do I get Ferrari and actual F1 brands insted of the stuff you create in the game

[vestal remnant]

I m never faced you even with the same rank why?

[steel trench]

Because you've done a lot better so far in the season and you have a higher rating than me? 0.o

[vestal remnant]

But the tier its the same só its a fair fight

Thats why i want more tiers to then BE able to split the players

[steel trench]

If I continue doing this - and again, we come back to how long you can sustain something - you might. Or if I enter from the start when I'm certainly not ready for that

And what would the distinction between the tiers be? just elo? Be honest

[vestal remnant]

So dont enter champs1 enter champs3 and climb and take whatever comes

[steel trench]

Then we come back to rewards which you said it isn't all about?

[vestal remnant]

Putting 500, 600, 700 players on the same tier and consider them equal but them spliting them by rank thats not ok thats all

[vestal remnant]

Cards and Boost can BE the same I dont care

[steel trench]

Then what would be the difference?

[vestal remnant]

What i do care if its ranked make it ranked dont hide behind SBMM thats all

[steel trench]

ELO? It happens now ...

[vestal remnant]

I dont know could BE bragging rights

Now for ex i have nothing cuz me and you are the same

[steel trench]

And that's the case already 😄 You can say you won the top group

[woeful dagger]

so basically you don't want anyone except yourself and other whales to have decent rewards

[vestal remnant]

Doesnt matters plus wasnt a choice

[steel trench]

We're not the same. You are considerably stronger geared than I am. And considerably higher in the season score

[vestal remnant]

Then dont say you dont Change the subject we are talking about GP

[steel trench]

I'm still talking GPs .

Fine - make another tier for "bragging rights" (which we saw isn't the main factor anyway). What guarantees you - as a stronger prayer won't come down to weaker players and ruining it for them also if - for example - not you but another guy - can't make it in the "super champion" or "champion pro" group?

[vestal remnant]

It guarantee that if i m there its because i vê earned that spot and i have to deal with it... Now i m getting super hard groups for no reason as Champions its the same for me and you... We should BE the same as hutch puts it but we are not

[steel trench]

we can also call it the "gentlemen group" if you prefer 😄

[vestal remnant]

Could BE ladys there i dont know

[steel trench]

you are getting super hard groups because you have earned your place there by doing champion since week 1 AND you have earned enough rating to get there 😉 Which is what you are also saying you want

[vestal remnant]

But its the same.... If i get a Q medal because i m in a group of 4 and done 376 but got One tenth slower its the same...

[steel trench]

which is the same as me not doing that week or getting it in a "weaker" group. Being in a weaker group is not a guarantee either

[deft merlin]

Guys, out of topic a little bit. In Spa, my driver can go to pit only once and both tyres are soft. Then should I using boost for tyre here.

[vestal remnant]

But there you are just putting the SBMM manipulation in practice like pairing with a weak friend to have asier lobbys

Só there you have it...

[vestal remnant]

Depends on drivers levels and TM

[steel trench]

And how long can that be sustained? Let's say I start at 1500. I "manipulate" and win. I get to 1600 fast. Have I increased my skill? Not really no. I get into a harder lobby - I win. I get to 1650. It gets harder and harder. How long do you think it would take me to hit a high enough rating?

You on the other hand are already at 2200 and are facing similar players. A loss for you won't have the same effect as it would for me. You have to do a lot and lot of mistakes to go down .

[deft merlin]

I dont get it, both my driver can pit only once and both times use sofe tyre. Does track stat gives any extra buff if I use boost to increase tyre stat more

[vestal remnant]

But thats your choice.... Deal with it

[steel trench]

If you think it's sustainable and easy to maintain in the long run - go ahead and try it to see 😄

[vestal remnant]

Now if i want i just dont do 5 GPS and then beat everyone on a easy group

[vestal remnant]

But if i m ranked i ll BE in the same place regardless

[steel trench]

Yes, and if you don't do 5 GPs you are missing rewards from 5 GPs. Which you don't want to do

[vestal remnant]

You are too naive if you think at this points cards are the problem

[deft merlin]

Not get the full picture but i agree with Qnyx, a player still collect to upgrade full like me. I dont have luxury to skip GP. Just endure and fight all what we got.

[vestal remnant]

At least you made him pink

[fathom nest]

Wasn't my intention chatgpt has its own mind

[rough maple]

I am in champs this week

[vestal remnant]

Chatgpt knows

[fathom nest]

@vestal remnant 🤣 🤣

[long vessel]

That will make players angry whenever they’re paired with high rated players though, similar to when they made TS visible

[vestal remnant]

This grouping its like when Hutch called the CGS players "the best" and make them have 5 Legendary drivers Maxed... I dont know how its that consider the best but ok...

[vestal remnant]

That was your call

[steel trench]

Sigh

For you - the cards are not an issue. But for me - and many others - they are.

We have to pick and actually do well in limited number of attempts. And yet you want that to be taken away. Why ? For bragging rights? 😄 If it's not the cards or the boosts - what is the problem then?

We are talking 2 drops equal to the difference between contender and champion p1. That's all. 2 drops. 2 cards

[vestal remnant]

Again you are looking from the perspective of those that dont do well... The casual... Ok só... If everyone GOES low because its easier how it Will BE?

[steel trench]

I'm looking from your perspective too. You want ranked, but not exactly ranked. You want to face easier opponents

[fathom nest]

I don't mind the competition or being in higher end of champs GP groups. My problem is getting to FR with perfect scores is not guaranteed.

[vestal remnant]

When i Said that? When i Said i want ranked but not really?

I vê Said since Hutch rank US make it ranked how this is hard to understand

[fathom nest]

Last week 419 in OR and out. I am pretty sure people got P1 scoring less than me in OR and QR lol including their FR points

[vestal remnant]

You are here pointing fingers but you are the One wanting to hide behind easier groups when you dont face higher players

[steel trench]

All this time when you said "I want you and me to be equal and to be able to match" ?! 😄 And you also said "I don't want higher cards or higher boosts". So ... which one is it ? Do you want to face similar opponents to you , like you have now, or easier opponents - like me ?

[indigo coyote]

Do I have limit of how many soft tires I can use? And how I can know when I unlock next series?

[vestal remnant]

Get this... If there is a tier there is a number of players in it not a random number based on entrys

[woeful dagger]

he just doesn't want you to get the same medals and same cards as he does

[fathom nest]

You can pit every lap in the race and you have to obtain the required number of flags to get to next series

[vestal remnant]

Its not about what i get, its about what Hutch does... They rank US by "perform" but then not really

[steel trench]

I have no chance against players who are maxed out and are spending X on the game on a weekly basis. This is why I have to make a sacrifice - pray for a lucky drop in a VERY limited amount of attempts OR go lower and do contender only which won't help me either.

[hoary bough]

I noticed this issue also at Challenger. There is something wrong with the tie break criteria.

[vestal remnant]

Ok you are right, só you are not in the same tier as them right?

[fathom nest]

I mean if Hutch can apply a simpler math.... Rank all groups based on what they do now and then take a total of all groups divide them equally to the nearest whole number and make the groups based on that number for each group. Instead of 20 in top group and then 100 or so after that.

[indigo coyote]

Ok and for the next series I need the bar up top to be full green?

[fathom nest]

Move to the next series and see what it says about how many flags left to unlock?

[indigo coyote]

70

[steel trench]

Yes, and as a result - my ingame "rewards" - i.e. the cards I have - are nowhere near close to those.

But according to you it's not about that. Or the boosts.

[vestal remnant]

Answer my question please

[steel trench]

I just did 0.o Playing Kaylym today? 😄

[fathom nest]

If you are in a club I would say less than 10 wins should get you to S5, although make sure are ready for the higher series

[vestal remnant]

Read closely

[steel trench]

So the issue is - you are not happy I am getting a chance to enter your playground and I should stay off it? Because why not?

[indigo coyote]

No I’m not in a club, should I just join one randomly?

[lunar kite]

@vestal remnant, bro, not counting my Q champs medal, I have just two other champs medals. How many do you have? Those are your bragging rights. We've all been playing an open chess tourney. It's a Swiss system where opponents get harder as you win more, while rewards per game stay the same. You are now at the final tables, and it's hard. That's how such tourneys go. But at the end of the day, you've won more games, and you've won the tourney. That will show in assets won and season scoring. Congrats. Hutch could make it better, etc, but it's just like you'd have if you played chess. You are ranked, but Hutch doesn't show it. What you're saying is that you'd want to have your own separate tourney with separate rewards. How come matching by performance perfectly works for chess, but you think it couldn't work here as well?

[fathom nest]

Yeah a club would give you bonus flags and extra slots to save your layouts

[steel trench]

Not do it consistently mind you. Do it a few times - less than 1/5 of the season's GPs. But I should stay away. For bragging rights, as it's not about the cards or the boosts after all

[royal umbra]

It totally doesnt work like that.

You can miss 5GPS and I guarantee you will still be in the topgroup

Its way too late into the season to be able to change it

[vestal remnant]

Oh for sure i Will 5 not enough

[fathom nest]

But but Azza did 5 jnr last year and moved down 🤭 🤭

[vestal remnant]

Why? Just why?

[fathom nest]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-laughing-phoebe-gif-15082477

[royal umbra]

People on the lower end of topgroup grouping score wise are able to do it but thats a move to 2nd group not lower

I bet ur on the higher end @vestal remnant hence no chance

[vestal remnant]

Well chess its a 1v1 game and players know beforehand the rules. I m not saying you wrong here maybe you are absolutly right but doesnt make it right

[steel trench]

now who's not answering? 😄

[vestal remnant]

I mean i dont care mate i just dont believes in a system when you need to underperform to do well because you know very well this is whats happening here

[lunar kite]

Yeah, Hutch could improve on the transparency. I believe I get it what hurts you - chess players do get the clear recognition at the end, and their ratings are known to all. Here, it will show in the end medal count, more or less, because it is not perfect.

[steel trench]

And it will show in the next season with the picture frame (highly visible) + crate timer reduction which is essentially a 50% discount on bucks. But that's not enough I take it

We should just be off MK's playground 😄 For bragging rights 😛

[vestal remnant]

Now you getting it... A Q medal its a Q medal no One Cares if you done perfect and a P1 its a P1 no One Cares if you done 150 points. And hiding behind "oh you just want to beat everyone" thats not entirely true, well i do but i want competition not a fake One

[vestal remnant]

I can asure you that wasnt because of GP rewards

[steel trench]

You still haven't said what is it about. Your multiple wins being made less worthy because someone else managed to get one also?

Do you feel Spain cares that their European cups are valued less because Czechoslovakia won in the 70s or Greece won in 2004?

I can promise you neither Greece or Chech Republic nor Slovakia feel they are a better team than Spain 😄

[vestal remnant]

Why are you trying to make this about me? I m not making this about you... Its about the game ranking players but then not really how is this só hard? You wanna push só hard the narrativa that this is about getting easy wins when its not i dont know what complex you have against players the are "stronger"

[steel trench]

I have absolutely no complex about players being stronger than me. I know they are.

You seem to have an issue with "mediocre" or "unworthy" guys having few LIMITED attempts at what you can do.

[vestal remnant]

Medíocre comes from "medio" that means average just to point that out

[lunar kite]

Ha, just remeber it would be exactly the same if I played in some open tourney along with GMs. My win or loss against some rookie would score just the same as Carlsen vs Nakamura. Just like Q or P1 here. In such competition, it's the end total score that counts. It's a similar idea here, which could be improved in implementation.

[steel trench]

YEs, and nothing prevents the medio / average guys of having FEW shots at something. Not constant unlimited easy access. Few. But that's apparently wrong and not possible. For bragging rights only.

[vestal remnant]

Yeah if you beat a Rookie would you BE a world Champion?

[vestal remnant]

But i dont mind that as long its not at a cost of penalizes others thats why i believe in more tiers to create those gaps

I m losing duels after duels because i forgot to pit because of you guys

[steel trench]

And we come back to - what would the difference be between a Gentleman Champion and a Champion? Obviously not cards and boosts. Or other rewards. What then?

[vestal remnant]

I dont know, maybe give more REP There... Done happy now?

[lunar kite]

I would get less total points in such a tourney because I'd get matched with a tougher opponent in the next round. Or, if I tanked deliberately to get an easier opponent, I'd end up with fewer wins overall. That's why performance based matching works for chess tourneys where you could also have a great difference in player strength. Still each game gets scored the same, and it works. I agree though that it would be cool if we had public ratings, too.

[sharp leaf]

New season tommorow?

[vestal remnant]

Yes, in 10 min

[sharp leaf]

Oh today already?

[vestal remnant]

No JK

[half cliff]

No

It's in May

[vestal remnant]

A bit earlier most likelly

[half cliff]

See when the next pit pass comes out

[steel trench]

The medal and rep ? Sure. Fine. Take it.

But after some time you won't be happy with only that too. You will still think it's unfair that the champion is getting basically same things as you are for "less" effort.

[vestal remnant]

Yeah i mean now there is no rating other than whats Hutch hides and everyone goes freely whatever they want to go

[vestal remnant]

Mate, again you are not getting it... We are having groups of 20 for no reason at all we are not playing the same game

[steel trench]

This is an entirely different issue than what you've said so far about some groups being unfairly easy- small groups need to go no doubt

[vestal remnant]

You are the One moving the goal post... I vê Said fine rep and its not enough for you... You want só bad that this is about other thing that keep pushing other things to BE what you want to BE

[vestal remnant]

There done

[steel trench]

and then you moved to "groups of 20" and I am changing the goalpost? 😄

[vestal remnant]

No no... Take a bigger print

[vestal remnant]

Here i ll help you out

[grizzled ginkgo]

blud lapped his own teammate

lowk goated strat

[steel trench]

Yes, because you claim the issue is not the rewards when in reality it is. And no matter how you try to circle around it you've said it multiple times - it's not fair for someone else who is having an easier time (limited btw) to get the same as you do. Even if that is not the case and they don't get the same. But that's an issue.

Anyway, we're doing full circles all the time - you think I want to get everything easily and somehow you assume that in my head you are my competition - when in reality you are not - and I think that you believe i'm stealing something from you and that's not fair or that I think my 2 medals are equal to your 10. OR 20 or whatever wins you have in there.

[grizzled ginkgo]

only boosting the driver with the better track stat lowk works wonders

[misty sequoia]

Finaly some legendary 🤣

[vestal remnant]

Its not about rewards... Especially now and yet everyone after Mansel to get the Edge.... Do you really believe that escially now highest group players care about cards? Really?? Plus the premisse stays it is unfair a Q medal WITH 424 PTS and a P1 with 150. You are looking at this in the perspective that suits you. I m looking at the perspective that what is fair... We can speak about money put of effort put in, i m with 24k races btw but still its unfair a Q medal WITH 424 PTS

[steel trench]

Now they don't - early season - they definitely do

[vestal remnant]

Mate Jully most of them were Maxed out or close to it

[steel trench]

So - it's not rewards. It's not boosts. It's not medals (as the Q with 424 wouldn't have been one of the first GPs entered and there would be at least a few P1s before that, nor will "P1 with 150" happen consistently). It is the rep - ok, take it. You can even get rep per point scored if you prefer. But you won't stop at that 😄

So I'm not stealing your rewards. I'm not stealing your places in your group either - as you are with "similar" guys. You want competition but when you do get it - as you said you can't really drop a point or do a slow lap - that's not fair either? If it is NOT about any rewards - wouldn't the "bragging rights" of beating your similar opponents be enough?

[half cliff]

[vestal remnant]

Mate i could care less of what you have i wish you the best i m not the jeolous type i sleep well at night regardless what others have so you can forget that part. All i m saying its if there is a rank make it ranked the rest i dont care. Going tip toying arround like Hutch does thats my problem...

[steel trench]

Forget rewards then

In your proposed different ranking method - will you meet the same people you are facing now or not ?

[vestal remnant]

Maybe

[lunar kite]

But it is fair - a 95% accuracy in a game vs a grand master should be a loss, while 60% vs 40% accuracy between two rookies is a win. Both wins show the same on the scoreboard at the same tourney, but the master ends up with more points overall under the same performance-based matching system. What we have is just the same in principle.

So it's just about the public rank for you? Because it would still have performance-based matching.

[vestal remnant]

Yeah but a GM has 2500 elo not 600

If a GM GOES after a Rookie ELO barelly moves

[steel trench]

I’d assume majority of them. Will they have any different skills compared to now ? Under the same circumstances- will they score the same points an do the same times ?

[vestal remnant]

I dont know, we could argue that maybe AI should BE tougher for ex

[fathom nest]

AI is tougher than before already if you haven't noticed

[steel trench]

It already is 🤣

But we’re talking your opponents now. So if they are (almost entirely) the same and they don’t forget all of a sudden how to play the game - it wouldn’t make any change for you? You would still meet the same guys, the same situations - high score would happen, the would still do same fast laps a then what would be different?

[steel raptor]

It's Like deliverance needed since over hours is like Royal Rumble with 150 Flags to unluck S9 what a Expenssive💩 Super Nonsense

[lunar kite]

True, true (if he wins). But remember, they could still play on a same tourney, with next match giving tougher opponents after a win. And then a loss would score as a loss just the same when two GMs meet, just like your Q flag.

[half cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-great-debate-baron-vaughn-the-great-debate-pointing-tv-show-gif-17890293

[vestal remnant]

It would cuz then you cant hide underperfoming.... You have you spot deal with it you cant go lower to hide from tougher groups

[vestal remnant]

Yeah if HE loses the Rookie gets a tom of elo

[steel trench]

Hide how ? I thought it’s going to be elo based?

[vestal remnant]

Now is? Oh you are putting this all the time against me and how higher players want to beat the lower players and now you forget how people now hide on junior or Blank GPs?

[steel trench]

So you still woudn’t have a grand master playing against a fresh one ?

[vestal remnant]

I hope not

But i dont want a GM to go beat the Rookies aswell to avoid playing Magnus

[steel trench]

Then the whole issue is “unworthy” guys having the same medal as you ?

[vestal remnant]

Seriosly?

[lunar kite]

okay, so would a global ELO for players solve it for you?
You'd still play in the same way, get tougher opponents as you win more, and need ever better scoring for the same result (single GP win). If somebody tanks, they'd just have fewer wins in the end, and some ELO reduction.

[vestal remnant]

You really want to put this like its about me...

[steel trench]

No. I’m genuinely asking. Since they are hiding and avoiding GPs

[vestal remnant]

Yes you know very well that is a thing

Groups get smaller because of it too

[vestal remnant]

Yes eventually you Will and deal with it

[vestal remnant]

The issue its a ranked system that can BE manipulated and you know it

[steel trench]

“Eventually” - which happens now also and is the reason of tanking. But at one point - thus will not be able to tank anymore

[wooden musk]

Took a break and came here for the trolls and jokes but the adults are debating. Guess I'll just continue racing 😆 👋

[vestal remnant]

Yes it is... If you do it right for a while season

And again not hating the player, hating the game

[steel trench]

At a cost. You would have won a lot less than someone who did it. And if you meet them - from experience alone you’d still beat them

[vestal remnant]

Doesnt matters the premisse stays... It is a manipulated system and it is beeing manipulated

So, since you like só much defending the small One you should BE on my SIDE as it would end players hiding from tougher group to then comeback to champs and beat everyone with ease

Cuz at the end of the day that P2 guy should have gotten a P1 but a tougher guy just took it from him because its hidding from higher groups

[tardy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-blah-blah-blah-roll-eyes-eyeroll-whatever-gif-16216173

[steel trench]

So is your problem with the guys around your rating or overall?

If overall - the current system is a step in the right direction as you cannot “hide” indefinitely with no real effort.

You haven’t seen it but you do move between groups and it gets progressively harder -and in most cases you do meet guys who have done and are doing the same. You don’t enter a group, win with 150, go on holiday and in a few weeks you need 150 again

[vestal remnant]

I dont know how many Times i have to say this... If we are ranked make it ranked then whatever you get deal with it.... How hard its that to understand?

[steel trench]

Ranking is there - how many times I have to say it ?

[vestal remnant]

Its not... You can move arround

[half cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/ait-were-still-going-the-six-were-still-continuing-were-still-proceeding-gif-22504602

[vestal remnant]

Qnyx want to make this about other thing that its not só i wont allow it

[hardy wolf]

Guys, we went from a strategic game to a senseless game.

[vestal remnant]

You are in my group 🤣

[half cliff]

This is like some Political talk but discussing the game and yada yada yada

[vestal remnant]

Yes, yes it is 😂😂😂

[worn bloom]

@vestal remnant lets go

[hardy wolf]

What makes this game beautiful is the strategy we adopt when playing the GPs. If this is no longer possible, it becomes a pointless game.

[steel trench]

Not as much as you think

[vestal remnant]

Regardless possible

[steel trench]

Well you can also lose elo too.

[royal umbra]

Changing topic a bit - are groups you guys get today global ?

[vestal remnant]

Yeah but you wont go to junior right away and when you want

[royal umbra]

I have seen few quite possibly region based groups today.

[half cliff]

There's always global I swear

[royal umbra]

Im asking about this specific GP , previous ones were global obviously

[steel trench]

You can simply not play

[royal umbra]

Im not playing it so I cant analyze deeper

[hardy wolf]

This has become a game for big spenders in the last couple of years, if this isn't enough I foresee a mass uninstallation

[half cliff]

Yes and no

[royal umbra]

I seen this predictions about mass uninstallation few times in these 2 years I play this game already and Hutch still reports player base and revenues rising

[half cliff]

People and Content Creators have proven that you can win without spending

[vestal remnant]

1st time nothing Changes then you stop dropping... If a lot of Champions a lot of contendor a lot of juniors it Will take a while...

[vapid forge]

Yeah f1 clash has actually risen to the top of racing games (game of the year) even with the P2W aspects

[vestal remnant]

Só for those só worry about cards Will BE tough

[half cliff]

I've only payed for Pit Pass and I've won against many people who have spent alot more than me it's just strategy and setup

[hardy wolf]

Kabe, don't you see that with all the money they earn they manage to advertise the game before the Formula 1 Grand Prix?

[royal umbra]

You dont have to tell me that , Im pitpass only player too and quite succesful one 😉

[royal umbra]

Yes I see that , thats why Im saying that even players complaining here wont change it much as Hutch clearly is improving their revenues and everything

[half cliff]

Sometimes theres some with better drivers but you got better car and win but it's very close, sometimes you got better drivers and they have better cars and they win but it's very close and then you better car but equal drivers 50/50

[royal umbra]

Driver>car all the time

[half cliff]

Exactly

This game really tests you on your thinking process

[royal umbra]

This game has potential to be much better but It will never be utilized because of the fact that "better" for us means a different thing than for Hutch.

[half cliff]

Hopefully next season it might better or just the same

[royal umbra]

I would bet more on worse than better 😄

[half cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/completely-understandable-maury-beverly-big-mouth-totally-comprehensible-seems-logical-gif-27062146

[hardy wolf]

I also only play with pit pass and for this reason I implement a strategy, if this is no longer possible it's over.

[royal umbra]

If you mean S1 then I feel your pain

Thanks to the guys discussing that here all the time

[half cliff]

Idk why but I have a feeling there will be a S13 but idk

[royal umbra]

Race entry fee not coins but bucks 😄 ?

[half cliff]

Better not be

[steel trench]

What I still fail to understand is how do you suggest the ranking to be so you can’t move around. A loss won’t change your rating ? You are locked in a difficulty without being able to move around ? Will there be one group per difficulty or what ?

[half cliff]

Probably 50M entry fee

[royal umbra]

Better not but I would not be surprised.

[languid hearth]

When’s the new season starting for the game

[royal umbra]

Early may

[half cliff]

Early May or abit earlier

[steel trench]

Search or scroll up also works as an answer there 🤣🤣

[hardy wolf]

I'm talking about GP levels.
You can't change these things overnight.

[vestal remnant]

Yes you have your tier deal with it... Lets say you are in contendor 2 or whatever thats your tier

[hardy wolf]

What happens with the GPs is a disgrace, this makes us understand that it is a frivolous game

[steel trench]

Would contender 1 or 2 have the same rewards ? What if you don’t play for a long time and everyone moves up while you stay there gearing up until you are ready. You’d have easier time also in champion 1?

[vestal remnant]

I dont know slighty lower or REP diferentes or whatever i dont care that much about that part

The ones that get their first in theory would have and advanage unless you know spending or a lot of races

[steel trench]

I just see it as too similar to what we have now with keeping the same downsides and issues - people stuck in a group they shouldn’t be in, relatively limited movement, no changes in rewards and overall dissatisfaction

[steel trench]

But you know very well a lot of races doesn’t give you that advantage even when doing it for a year. If it did - you would see active f2p being a lot closer to max

[astral adder]

Care to elaborate

[stark crown]

just to clarify .... is the message here is "oh i dont want to compete in higher levels or cant sustain ? " you have been a big advocate of managing expectations so, why cant they be managed here ... as is us racing in higher groups, we knew what we were getting into and did it .. we do moan about it onw and then but thats the reality now ?

[plush oxide]

Thinking they will have to add your car breaking down most races and not finishing the race as that's how really F1 I is going!!!!!

They've ruined it...😜

[lunar kite]

Hey. How's your P1 going with today's grouping?

[plush oxide]

Raced 4 and even if I don't race again I'll be in tomorrow

[vestal thunder]

Thank the selfproclaimed mr p1 dude above here 😂

[royal umbra]

I wonder how mr p1 will perform in random groups 😄

9 in a row might be at risk 🤭

[vestal thunder]

I know who i want in my FR group 😅

[royal umbra]

ur doing contender as well 😄 ?

[vestal thunder]

Ofc, i dont have any PS drivers yet.. so i had no choice

[royal umbra]

I chosen a free weekend 3rd in a row. Not a bad choice I must say 😄

[vestal thunder]

Status pr now, gona be hard to get to FR 🤣

[royal umbra]

But next week Im back , only GP which just might be playable

[royal umbra]

Try with challenger drivers for some challenge 😄

[vestal thunder]

I cant, is FR groups in normal tomorrow i need max points for a chance for p1 😆

[plush oxide]

And the game crashed

[dry matrix]

Guys what’s happening with the GP groupings?

[white fjord]

This time, after 3 weekend in-row without going to final, i'll not received a Q crate, you won't against me, hutch !!!

But the tracks are so terrible for me

[dry matrix]

People reporting issues or just new thing to happen?

[white fjord]

Las Vegas
Melbourne
Monza
Silverstone

[dry matrix]

I agree with Melbourne and Silverstone easily

[lunar kite]

Sorting by quali score didn't work, and we're apparently doing random today. And nobody knows what will happen tomorrow 😅

[dusky wagon]

race start is genuinely broken rn bro

because there's no way three races in a row I'm on softs and I get a perfect race start and get pushed to the back of the grid because my driver cannot overtake ANYBODY

[tardy timber]

I cant belive you guys are still still arguing from this morning. I can't read everything, but this one caught my eye. You cant move arround, you can just move up! You cant go down

[lone dust]

Y’all ready for tmr ?

[dawn swift]

@night trellis thanks for that

how did i get a better launch, lead into t1 with both drivers and with no momentum at all you swing back through it just doesnt make any sense whatsoever

[sturdy yoke]

My leclerc podium stats does this constantly, start P7 on series and get pushed to 15th on a perfect start or start roughly 14-16th and push to 20th-22nd, it’s heart breaking 😭😂

[night trellis]

Great race, tough matchmaking for you

[dawn swift]

i gave up on lap 4 lol

[night trellis]

Welcome to f1 clash lol

[dawn swift]

im not wasting my time in that

[night trellis]

Yeah I guessed you gave up I would have done the same, still nice racing you

[dawn swift]

it was

i had hope in t1 and then lost all hope in t2

if this game had mechanics that made sense, it would've been a close fight

[night trellis]

Yeah I can understand why lol that was just sad to see

[wary epoch]

Podium stars Russell and basic Hamilton, what do you think I drive in s12 ?

I mean track

[steel trench]

Not quite - there is a difference between

A) managing my own expectations and choosing how to play the game in a way that I can enjoy it; and

B) you managing my expectations instead of me because you feel somehow that me doing the occasional champion GP is somehow less worthy than yours because “it’s easier” and to stroke one’s ego (or bragging rights).

Just like I’m not forcing anyone to play in a particular way I expect the same from others too. Taking away my options to make you feel better is simply not right. Or fair - if you prefer.

Both of you know that in the short or long term I’m not going to be a threat due to the way we play.

[wary epoch]

btw, what are we fighting for? 😄

[steel trench]

Too long story 🤣

[wary epoch]

TS grouping, random grouping, performance grouping?

[normal fable]

Hey everyone, does anyone know if the crate cycle have changed? 😃

[wary epoch]

no, still random

[sharp carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[wary epoch]

Did you drink?

[steel trench]

Same skill based grouping but make it so one p1 medal has more bragging rights than others cause the lower one is easier

[wary epoch]

My opinion on this would be hard to demonstrate in english, and you probably know my feelings... everyone pray for his way to win tbh

[stark crown]

sorry if the message came off in wrong tone .... what i meant to say was this ... if i am picking and choosing to enter GP's i am conscious that it might result in good results plus higher tier next time .... whether i decide to go higher tier or not is particularly user choice .... but the point is , if you have a TS or rather levels to compete at higher tiers, then there is nohing wrong with putting you in those bunches ?

but by sabotaging and relying on GP past performance , in ways , you decide to stay in lower groups where other lower group players ar disadvantaged by you having higher assets ?

[sharp carbon]

It would just make it easier if you all just said the truth that you can’t reach the level of how good I am

[stark crown]

but if it were done at a assets levels of the players to group them , then it would be more of a fair fight isnt it ?

[sharp carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/ryzu-gif-14830973650785904921

[stark crown]

you blush nicely !!!

[unreal grotto]

Show us your medals boy 😉

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-slave-gif-10834801

[wary epoch]

Who will decide that with TS ? So i dont upgrade my levels, means easier group, right?

[sharp carbon]

I have a bottle

[wary epoch]

stil? no lost ? 😄

[night trellis]

You got the bottle In the end?

[sharp carbon]

I GOT IT BOYS I GOT IT

[wary epoch]

new photo needed

[stark crown]

no ... it depends on assets you have ALONG with unupgraded .... if you choose to enter a GP without upgrading assets when you have required numbers, you are accepting that you are entering handicapping yourself ?

[sharp carbon]

I won’t get up that’s what you get

[wary epoch]

3 months old photo... fak

[stark crown]

i think even temu bottles look better than this !

[sharp carbon]

I know but don’t say it it’s all I got

[unreal grotto]

Are you sure that is your bottle?

Or is that Hutch's lost and found section?

[sharp carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-akotsk-asoiaf-dunk-dunk-and-egg-gif-8603157991138725462

[unreal grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-6451222253771109400

[unreal grotto]

I think he got his from temu

[royal umbra]

I dont know how is palenka in english 😄

[wary epoch]

wait, where th hell are you coming from? 😄

[royal umbra]

Northern neighbour 😄

[sharp carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-broke-shattered-gif-22258177

[wary epoch]

Hello Poland, how is it going? 😄

[unreal grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/puffy-bear-puffy-cute-lol-happy-gif-14125956

[wary epoch]

kurwa !

[royal umbra]

the KEY word ! 😆

[sharp carbon]

Japierdole

[royal umbra]

Another key word , ur good guys 😂

[sharp carbon]

Multilingual in slur languages

[lunar kite]

Haha, that one well known in many of our slavic languages

[wary epoch]

So many slavs... damn

[night trellis]

No way, that is a lie

[wary epoch]

btw, s1 grinders friends, how is it going this days? 😄

[night trellis]

No way I can't believe it

[sharp carbon]

It’s true

[royal umbra]

133 to 165 since wednesday 😂

https://klipy.com/gifs/guild-wars2-gw2-1

[vapid forge]

Missing it 😄

[night trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/rr-gif-1048902280733335184

[vapid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-slow-day-gif-17869747439397645052

[wary epoch]

its so frustrating, just 40 to platinum 😄 where are my leg ones 😄

[night trellis]

Can't believe it you sure sam didn't give you his to make you stop

[royal umbra]

its 13hours of gameplay from 133 to 240 😂 when I calculated it , I slowed down 😄

[night trellis]

Like these 🙄

[royal umbra]

yes and in the end you get these 😄

[wary epoch]

damn, I will take a break probalby 😄

[royal umbra]

So going even slower 😄

[night trellis]

All the effort for nothing

[wary epoch]

you will get s12 leg in the end of the week !!!!

[royal umbra]

thats my weekly last 3 weeks in a row but I didnt care after sprints

Now will care more as it seems its the easier way to get a legendary 😄

[wary epoch]

what is downside of PS Verstappen?

[hidden relic]

Always a brilliant idea to give 10% to drivers some don't even have and nothing to the drivers everyone's guaranteed to get, as usual. Give me cash.

[royal umbra]

same like all other usable PS drivers - I dont have him 😆

[night trellis]

I'm not so sure 😬
I Don't have the will power to grind but he makes me grind to try and win that one but I know it will be full of so maybe it isn't worth it

[night trellis]

Not having him

[wary epoch]

Every race, overtaking/ddefending/tyre management, he just sent it of to p1 by 2 corners and never see him again 😄

[royal umbra]

if you mean S12 yeah... after facing ver + mansell combo 3 races in a row I just came back to webber 😄

[wary epoch]

I played PS Rus and normal Ham, great overtaking with strong TM, 5 races out of 7 Zandvoort 😄

[royal umbra]

I play Alo/Web now and chilling

why would I tryhard and spend boosts for regular duels 😄

[wary epoch]

I switched to PS Rus and basic Ver, all better now

I play unboosted

[royal umbra]

all depends on mm , when you face these boosted podiums what can you do with epics

[safe otter]

hello

[wary epoch]

I got lot of luck first week around PS, week after it was dissaster, than S1 got banned and never see them again 😄

[safe otter]

i have a question

[final vigil]

Stop playing @stray sleet finally sent you his bottle. 😂

[royal umbra]

Well I have hulk and hadjar 😄

[wary epoch]

hello, go ahead, we are al possitive here 😄

[astral adder]

Groupings for GP seem to have gotten easier for me this weekend. Easily made finals. They change something?

[obtuse oasis]

I’m Rookie Fernando Alonso(Said Alonso)

[royal umbra]

yes , they have a bug 😄

[astral adder]

Well let’s keep it all weekend into finals 🤣

[royal umbra]

good luck , I didnt enter 😄

[final vigil]

That forehead has a sixhead. 🤣

[obtuse oasis]

Yes indeed

[wary epoch]

my man, have it all over again, GP2 engine 😄

[safe otter]

is ferrari done for again

[wary epoch]

he could have 28 championships 😄

[wary epoch]

sure, ferrari hype is gone again

[obtuse oasis]

Ferrari Fans: THIS IS OUR YEAR (Later on) Maybe Next Year

[astral adder]

They ruined F1 this year with the battery obsession. Cars aren’t even going full out on straights or out of turns. Embarassing

[safe otter]

im about to be violently angry

[obtuse oasis]

RIP DRS

[wary epoch]

go, kill some ants on your backyard, it will help

[final vigil]

His forehead is so large. It is actually stealing the sun temperature from the track. 🤣

[safe otter]

good idea lol

[wary epoch]

or ask Charles, where he goes cry

[obtuse oasis]

Will Playing F1 25 Will Stop me Destroying Everything outside

[wary epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-bart-milhouse-simpson-bart-cave-gif-16371167564738125164

[safe otter]

Or just trauma dump with charles

it's so over-we're so back-it's so over-we're so back

[obtuse oasis]

Fernando Alonso: Hey Is that Renault?

How it Feels When Winning In F1 25 Championship(Career Mode)

[night trellis]

I took that personally

[steel trench]

Actually this is the worst duel I’ve had the whole year 🤣 not even joking

[obtuse oasis]

Guys…

How da hell y’all are that good do I have skill issue?

[plush oxide]

Apparently it's completely random today

[dawn swift]

im starting to second guess this game cause is it just a me thing??

[plush oxide]

Take it you won?

[dawn swift]

look at how hamilton comes through with NO momentum, then look at my alonso who's ahead, but get glitched behind lawson

it's genuinely the biggest joke i've ever seen in my time playing this game

[steel trench]

Why hards on Alonso? You are sabotaging him

[wary epoch]

only +9 cornering, you for sure win this

[royal umbra]

Mansell qualified P1 😄 ?

[steel trench]

Wasn’t even close 🤣 35 va 45

[dawn swift]

im going long, which worked until i got glitched out again on the last lap and lost to the guy

[steel trench]

Sorry zandvoort gp. He was 8

[night trellis]

Look like it happened to you again

[dawn swift]

it's unbelievable

[royal umbra]

8 in champs GP its like 1 in S12 😄

[dawn swift]

how does it happen all the time i will have no idea

[steel trench]

You can undercut to take advantage of his rs

[dawn swift]

i had the better race start as you can clearly see, he swings back in idk how

[steel trench]

Oh well, one less crate 🤣

[astral adder]

Yeah I’m seeing dudes with 8,000 race flags in mine. And I’m maxed out at 16,203. So double the experience and likely double the speed for me.

[steel trench]

Yes, better start on a slower tyre

[plush oxide]

No excuses

But opponents with double the flag count weren't part of my philosophy for my challenge 9/9.

[wary epoch]

best race starter oon slowest tyres, seem legit for me 😄

[steel trench]

That’s. not how it works though

[dawn swift]

it's worked against 1600 players, this happens all the time btw, this stupid random 100% momentum into t1 again and more glitching

[plush oxide]

Happy days

[steel trench]

I still wouldn’t. This is just making him do bad on purpose

[dawn swift]

purpose of going long and getting back at the end?

where i have the tyre advantage

[steel trench]

You can go long in the second stint and utilize his fast tyres during the time he’s faster - the race start

If you don’t want his start - might as well use sainz

[astral adder]

These podium star drivers are very Overpowered as well. Quite enjoying it. Piastri at 97 overtake and 92 race start already. Only leveled up twice.

[plush oxide]

Haven't got any so really wouldn't know
Except for getting beat by them

[astral adder]

Yeah. It’s pretty absurd.

[wary epoch]

so you didnt face them without them, right? 😄

[dawn swift]

so that was a lie cause autowin russell just did it with ease

[astral adder]

The only races that have been close in past week. My opponent has had at least 1 of the podium stars to make it competitive. Otherwise, it’s a blowout. I’m not even needing to drs. I just start race, full engine, then casually watch for pitting moment. Don’t even need to pay attention. Wish the weather would change or something. Kind of boring now

[dawn swift]

and yk, alonso, perfect race start, soft tyres... didn't do anything vs this verstappen 💀

what's next, use a better boost?

i can say this with full confidence, it's rigged against me, i can say with full confidence that the next race i do imma get absolutely screwed on the race start

[wary epoch]

you didnt heard about imaginationing of great starts and 10% boost towards rival bots?

[dawn swift]

so im just not supposed to win this race

yeah great thanks

[wary epoch]

this great race start is in your heas, in game, its normal

[dawn swift]

this shouldn't be normal i've clipped this t1 despite doing exactly what im meant to be doing

its not even a game anymore its just ragebait

id have more fun playing getting over it than playing this, 6 years into it and its as bad as anything

[wary epoch]

even this clip, its only imagination, t cant heart you, if its not true, AI dont have great starts at all

[dawn swift]

it shouldn't be to the point they're in the final corner while im going into s3

it's just a programmed loss, im losing too many coins im about to go mad

like ok...

let's just drain more coins then yippee!!

[royal umbra]

dont waste good boosts for regular duels

[steel trench]

Ok this won I actually won but I’m going to stop with the GP for now 🤣 I don’t like these 1770 guys

[dawn swift]

i have no choice

if i forfeit i get penalised

and if i don't use a decent boost i'll get washed over

[wary epoch]

you can go sooner, I have only 1737 for Melbourne race, only Leclerc PS there 😄

[wary epoch]

How you get penalised for forfeit?

I mean, I get it, you lose coins, but what else?

[steel trench]

Stunning monza setup (real player too)

[dawn swift]

time

[wary epoch]

Melbourne and Zandvoort, my rivals 😄 both PVP

[wary epoch]

By forfeiting, you can lose less time, I mean, you can clearly see how race go, if you know, what other drivers can do, you can think about forfeiting sooner than at last corner

[steel trench]

Melbourne last race

[wary epoch]

but if I show you drivers, its more fun 😄

Melbourne and next one is baku 😄

[steel trench]

I don’t get it

We know the tracks. We know what the track stats are. We know they help. Why ?

[wary epoch]

better delete this, what I have started

see you next time 😄

[robust moss]

sorry if this sounds stupid but im kinda new, when is the new season update or is that already out?

[celest knot]

Its may

[serene apex]

Español?

[wary epoch]

for sure

[half cliff]

Si amigo

[plush oxide]

If I can just cut in here.

Event random grouping?
Or
Stuck in your group?

What do you prefer?

[rough maple]

This wasn’t fun either

[cobalt flame]

I can only dream of that team score

[plush oxide]

The 1727 is a dream

[half cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11954040389595096870

[dry matrix]

Oh god. Mansell level 3!

[grizzled ginkgo]

thats devastating

wonder when i will get a lineup in OR that i can make it through...

[frosty dragon]

when will be 2026 update

[half cliff]

End of April or Early May

[astral adder]

☠️

[hallow nexus]

This wasn’t either but turned out ok. Not mine, just amazed high level ts was 🤪

[sterile forge]

I just disconnected at the end of the race in a championship race and instead of giving me 29 it gave me three is there anything I can do?

[austere folio]

This is a new one. This is becoming comical at this point. 🤦‍♂️

[sterile forge]

It ended up being the reason I’m not making the final

[dreamy lake]

Someone knows when does the season 2025 ends??

[silent forge]

If you scroll up you will see

[astral adder]

Late April or May

[dreamy lake]

Ok thanks

[ancient zinc]

I need f1 friends add me

[native hedge]

Hello

[wind stag]

In this week GP, the previous round fastest lap showing zero. Is this a bug?

[dry matrix]

Guys… why has this past week in f1 clash felt weird? Like with podium stars the cc store and everything

It’s just been a weird change. GP events are messy cause most people don’t game Mansell

Some have Mansell at level 4 thanks to the special offer in game and them shelling out money

Life feels unfair and I wanna camp out in contenders. And sprints feel worth the grind more than a GP event. I do it just for boosts and epic, not the p1

[old berry]

Do not win the Australian gp

[sturdy yoke]

30 mins until lights out! From the uk this is tough to stay awake! Having to watch Hell’s Kitchen 😮‍💨

[native hedge]

Too bad I will

[old berry]

Lemme do some black magic haha 😂

[native hedge]

No I do a 2022 Austin to your car

[plush oxide]

It's ok no one uses piastri at Australia anyway!!!

[half cliff]

I did well the podium Star version

[latent moat]

How am I supposed to play 4 races, while there are no races left?

[mystic dome]

You either wait until after the objectives start or complete tomorrow before the objectives end.

[lunar kite]

Quali points are not counted either in the tiebreaker, and there was no initial OR sorting based on quali results. It feels as if we're playing random quali again, rather than OR.

[rigid sparrow]

I seriously need one of those legends! 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣 there so fast it’s unreal