📱│game-discussion

[austere path]

i know

T_T

[reef peak]

cause 914 was too powerful , even AF couldn't fight him back

[neon latch]

Right now miku

[reef peak]

but now it's different

[austere path]

it was crazier jelly

air used 914

[reef peak]

bruh Miku is really stuck at 3 years ago. no wonder why he has 20k skill shards by now

[austere path]

to clear capital

it was funny

it was the dumbest meta ever

where no defence is possible

the dumbest thing is when air used 914 it works AND had a anti-army bonus rofl

[reef peak]

well now we have Air is using Jill

[austere path]

whats jill?

[reef peak]

the ATK hero in Navy

the hero from last Collab

[austere path]

for?

[reef peak]

the hero with Silence

[austere path]

isnt that useless

u cant silence air damage output anymore

[reef peak]

well, that's what community been talking about

they put Jill in their AF and boom, they beat whale's Navy

[austere path]

oh u mean

jett-jill-hiccup?

thats hillarious

[reef peak]

i mean , i have seen reports

[austere path]

u know right? in 5-35 turn battles, kum is actually very strong at ex5

the "third" hero for air is up in the air

hiccup opened the door

to stupid marches

u can run hp-hp-atk, atk-atk-hp

as long as it has jett-hiccup

but urgh

ok ill get hiccup ex5 first ok

then slowly if jett5>jett3

ill get jett 3

then jett 5

mathematically

jett 3 is jett 0 x 1.1

jett 5 is jett 3 x 1.08

btw jelly how much u spending on this evet? $1/day?

[cold aspen]

Every time Miku appears after a period of absence, we know that a new hero released

[austere path]

well

i talk alot but my air still using max5 kum5

i just want people to spend on new heroes so they dont end up like my friends

[candid juniper]

Same here on my main

[acoustic verge]

That's just sad

I thought you are airforce main?

[austere path]

uh

i wanted to stop spending too much

haha

so i was saving for a ex7

then i realised

the new heroes are nuts

[reef peak]

then you realised "oh hey I should have listened to Jelly"

[austere path]

what did u say again?

XD

i forgot

dont spend?

[reef peak]

play 3 marches full ex 5 instead of having 1 ex7

[austere path]

oh

[reef peak]

i beat ex7 sometimes, with supression

so better go use your Odin

and play 3 marches

[austere path]

whats odin

[reef peak]

im vip 11, I almost complete 3 of them - in basic

[reef peak]

the material to play Vahalla units

[austere path]

oh

rofl

yeah

ok fine

ill get it tommorow k

not today

[reef peak]

wait till TC's matchmaking

[austere path]

im sure i have a missing skill somewhere

jett?

or hiccup?

[reef peak]

Hiccup first

[austere path]

dont i get 1 shard free? why do i have none

[reef peak]

for extra 30 GS

[austere path]

already 5 star

thats noi brainer

[reef peak]

ah ex? Jett

[austere path]

all ym subs 5 star

[reef peak]

HP hero is the DMG dealer

[austere path]

now 0,0

[reef peak]

always priority them

[austere path]

not this time

hiccup first

hiccup is damage dealer

[reef peak]

🙂

[austere path]

mathematically anyawys. i think hiccup deals x2.4 normal atk damage at ex5

[reef peak]

get both

[austere path]

while jett only x2.0

[reef peak]

the HP hero, is the DMG dealer, that's the game mechanic

that's not my own opinion

that's how the game design

[austere path]

i know but hiccup is special case

nut case

[reef peak]

of course he will be insane , cause he's the last piece for Ignition march

people didnt like Jett cause they didn't know how Hiccup would be

we now don't look at a single hero anymore, we look at the whole combo and the total of how many Titan runes we have

[austere path]

yeah i know what u mean

but this time hiccup is the damage dealer

[reef peak]

anyway, the only thing I'm wondering right now is.... isn't it been too long for new Indes ? 🙂

[austere path]

hiccup has air attack up, 300% damage increase, 200% burn per attack

versus jett which only has 0%-->21% added "50% x 9"

which is.... from 150% skilldmg per attack to 200% skilldmg per attack...

and a super weak ex5

but ill get jett ex5 if hiccup5 shadow5/kum5 is good

or i dont know i wanna understand how that stupid +15% burn per 5 burns work

i cant figure out exactly how it works

i already figured out hiccup

[glacial loom]

Whats the most amount of navy that will fit? I'm pretty sure i got to 161

Unit-wise

[sacred slate]

depends on your main march if you have 150 - 170 march size, you need atleast 350 - 400 ship unit in your base

[crisp lynx]

whale

[sacred slate]

me 390 ship

I need 700

[crisp lynx]

2 full march

[sacred slate]

now you get it

[crisp lynx]

army better

[sacred slate]

well army have a wise space advantage for units

thats why im buildin my army

but still a whack

[crisp lynx]

whale cat, 2 unit type

[sacred slate]

400% dmg+ soon on my army

mastery 15 also for my army

but need more CPNT

[crisp lynx]

now will be impossible burn u

[austere path]

okay um

guys

1000% confirm no free single hiccup shard?

@reef peak

[neon latch]

Yes

Dont get em for collab heroes

[frail plaza]

i have 720

it's not enough

[reef peak]

lol miku....

[neon latch]

#💪│join-us message

Join or...

[hoary plover]

[normal scarab]

I’d rather have this

[neon latch]

Ill give you a hug instead

[austere path]

asuka0 po0 shinji

now sub sub march XD

gypsy 5...ded

[neon latch]

[austere path]

retire forever

f me rofl

[normal scarab]

How cute

[neon latch]

[normal scarab]

Otherwise you’d have to buy me 24 transfer tickets

[neon latch]

🪞

[normal scarab]

And I’d use the money on HTTYD

[neon latch]

Thats made me burst out laughing 😂

[austere path]

whats httyd

[neon latch]

The new event

[candid juniper]

how to train your dragon

[austere path]

click everything

then fish?

[normal scarab]

Oh actually I’m over halfway to getting all the vouchers I need

So it’s going well

[neon latch]

For the decor?

[austere path]

@reef peak park ur air and pm me the # ill attack when im ready

still uh

[normal scarab]

For the decor, base and march

[austere path]

randomly making some titans and stuffs

[normal scarab]

1.67k vouchers atm

[neon latch]

Wth

U been whaling

[normal scarab]

And if all goes my way, I also want the emojis

[normal scarab]

Yes

I logged in this morning and found out I’m vip9 now

[neon latch]

Ayo wth😂

[candid juniper]

on the way to 10

[restive tinsel]

Diego my account💀

[normal scarab]

That’s gonna take a long while 😂

10598/30000, so need to spend 2 more times the amount I’ve totally spent

[fair flax]

@normal scarab @tender pendant Add syn emoji

[normal scarab]

Lol

But you already have syn emoji

[fair flax]

Which server?

or its u?

[restive tinsel]

3769

[reef peak]

done

[neon latch]

You better not do that

[coral jewel]

Rich people stuff

[normal scarab]

Why not

[neon latch]

Cos you could get a stronger one

By you know

[normal scarab]

Nah

[neon latch]

[normal scarab]

Homegrown

[neon latch]

Youve grown your own enough

Its time to grow another 😌

[normal scarab]

No

I take pride in my own account

It’s weak but it’s mine

[normal scarab]

What did I do there

[neon latch]

Check dms

[gray kelp]

How do people get more perk stats than the maximum ?

[normal scarab]

You take hella long typing

[neon latch]

Im not typing

Made you look

[sacred slate]

5000 unit is enuf

[normal scarab]

Beep you

[sacred slate]

[neon latch]

You should've known

[neon latch]

660 is the max

[gray kelp]

I have max perks and it shows 330%

People can go double

How

[neon latch]

What march did you hit with

[gray kelp]

Navy in dragon event

[neon latch]

Yh

You're checking army

[frail plaza]

5000 maru is enough

[gray kelp]

Yes i am hitting an army

[sacred slate]

too much maru = RIP RNG

need some balance

[neon latch]

Yh, yours wont be 660% because you attacked using navy

[sacred slate]

[frail plaza]

220% atk and hp from each hero

x3

[frail plaza]

there's never too much positive RNG

[gray kelp]

Is that some kind of balance system ?

[frail plaza]

i want to get 1000 ex skill shards per box

[sacred slate]

30,000 exc skill for 30 box

[gray kelp]

HP and ATK stats separated, 330% and 330%

[neon latch]

If you check your perks.
You'll have all forces hp on all 3 heroes

And then navy hp since you attacked with navy

You're on the army stat break down so its 330% because of the all forces hp perk

If you go to navy and check that it'll be 660%

[gray kelp]

Ohhhh

I should have used my brain

You are smart

Thank you

[onyx basalt]

😵‍💫

[frail plaza]

each hero gives 220% atk and hp

110% all unit, 110% specific unit type

[frail plaza]

[onyx basalt]

perks are not important 🙄 waste of gold shards 🗑💯for big whales

[gray kelp]

Heros chaser

[austere path]

guys

gg

[neon latch]

guys

[austere path]

wanan see what ive done

[neon latch]

go

On

[austere path]

bb ex shards

[neon latch]

New hero?

Proud of you

[languid stirrup]

That doesn't look like tw

[frail plaza]

I mean that's right

[languid stirrup]

Vivid I think

[frail plaza]

You got 30k of that bro

[languid stirrup]

Perks are important..and you can eventually get perks for free

You can make a full perk after updating your free event heroes to 5stars but it's a lot of time tho

Convert vouchers to shard then perk

[frail plaza]

Yeah but it's not wrong that they give too much account CP for just 660% ATK and HP

Technically not good but

[languid stirrup]

Worst thing is the enormous amount of shards needed

[languid stirrup]

What hero is this in tw

[neon latch]

Hiccup

[frail plaza]

Hiccup

[normal scarab]

Hiccup

[languid stirrup]

Ok

[sacred slate]

@neon latch i already pass ur message to succubus

[north jacinth]

Hiccup

[sacred slate]

waitin for her to respond

[normal scarab]

[summer nacelle]

Hiccup

[neon latch]

Did you delete a message @normal scarab

Or did my phone just glitch

[summer nacelle]

Wimpy

[neon latch]

Or am I missing you that much i saw it say hey yang

[normal scarab]

I did

For the hiccup streak

[neon latch]

[normal scarab]

Cuz it was funny

[neon latch]

Oh😂

[north jacinth]

21 more shards to go

[neon latch]

Arigato

[normal scarab]

Oop close

[north jacinth]

Indeed

I can taste viking sweat it is so close

[normal scarab]

😂

Throw some gems in Cupid

You’ll have them in no time

[north jacinth]

I would be better off in the lucky treasury lol

[austere path]

this is hiccup

[neon latch]

This is hiccup

[austere path]

she is a 10,000 year old dragon with a long history

and loves to eat fish (hence the fishing event)

this is jet

[north jacinth]

this is hiccup

[austere path]

she lives things that go pika pika kira kira. and battles together with the.... doll thingy.

likes*

[north jacinth]

I do not understand why they do not at least match the event charachters lol

[austere path]

she is 18 so gg

since in some countries in US, 20 is still too young and have no capacity to think

or make decisions for yourself

[north jacinth]

There is only 1 country in the US lol

[austere path]

this is shadow so yeah. shadow is an idol

[normal scarab]

Cute

[sacred slate]

pay me some sheep rn

[neon latch]

[wanton sigil]

So open 👐 all or one by one 😅

[raven ridge]

3 at a time

[raven ridge]

Ohh let me guess, got all 30 for free 👀

[haughty cipher]

get ex7

[neon latch]

Es8*

[haughty cipher]

es69

[normal scarab]

What’s es7 in exclusive skill coins

From the store

3 to the power of 6

I think

18225

[haughty cipher]

yes kinda cheap

1k$ only

[late jewel]

@raven ridge fatty. Was about to deploy army

[normal scarab]

Just kinda

[normal scarab]

Or a year of buying the 30/30 boxes 👀

That’s prolly less

Might take longer than a year

[haughty cipher]

chances of getting more than 2k is less than 1% in 30 chest and not all events are giving exclusive shards chest now so still depends on super luck

[normal scarab]

I got 1.7k last event

Felt very lucky 😂

[raven ridge]

Sorry, you Just popped up I had to act fast, where is all your decor from the new event

[haughty cipher]

now make calculations for this long wait one es7 won't even worth it

[normal scarab]

😂

[normal scarab]

10.7 events

Or 10.7 x 30 boxes

[wanton sigil]

On huge public demand , I opened one by one box x30

https://youtube.com/shorts/d8jYf_JbZSQ?si=qgJAl8gRLqlDw_tH

[haughty cipher]

even if we go with drop rate per 100 chest that's still 3700 es per 100 chest means 3.33 events

[haughty cipher]

2120 after getting 1k and getting 100 3 times in a row

[wanton sigil]

I guarantee you passed maths classes haha 🤣

[wanton sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-complex-thinking-gif-14892662

[haughty cipher]

just making chances both are very rare to happen so if going with drop rates normal chances are just 1000-1200 until you get luck from heaven

[wanton sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-bl-gold-blessed-gif-19712595

[coral jewel]

[haughty cipher]

1735 toothless voucher in only 4 days 🐋🐋🐋

[normal scarab]

Let’s gooo

[wanton sigil]

460 fishbone used

[tame pier]

Who is talking 🤨

[haughty cipher]

almost 3.4 voucher per fishbone not bad

[north jacinth]

Ok, Real battle testing has begun

[frail plaza]

you whale

[haughty cipher]

why only 14/11 trigger i swear in my battle reports trigger is almost 90%+ always

[frail plaza]

abad cancelled hiccup triggers

[north jacinth]

Those are jetts

[wanton sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/shahrukh-khan-shah-rukh-khan-kajol-kajol-devgan-srkajol-gif-3265833095331312321

[frail plaza]

nope, abad clears hiccup's burns, rendering hiccup unable to snowball his burns

[haughty cipher]

abad is one side only and both side triggers are affected

[north jacinth]

You are not getting what was said. the 14/11 triggers are Jetts

[frail plaza]

oh ok, what kinda Jett has 90% trigger rate, i immediately thought of hiccup only

[haughty cipher]

my eyes

[frail plaza]

[haughty cipher]

[frail plaza]

see

im just that unlucky

[haughty cipher]

enemy noob i was finding hiccup in there and found only 1 similar skill

[frail plaza]

i didnt even think that it was possible for a hero to have 90% trigger rate

[acoustic verge]

I thought you were joking

[north jacinth]

nope

[acoustic verge]

@spare oak he wasn't joking, you lied

[haughty cipher]

@spare oak link ??

[acoustic verge]

Nuh uh

[haughty cipher]

for educational purpose only

[acoustic verge]

Nuh uh

[spare oak]

I stand corrected 🤣

[acoustic verge]

Just look at this @spare oak

[haughty cipher]

[spare oak]

Go fight me 😏

[north jacinth]

where?

[north jacinth]

which arena number?

[spare oak]

2

[north jacinth]

Just realized I had super miner on for that attack on balls

[haughty cipher]

[spare oak]

I beat him 🤣

[north jacinth]

I can't find you

[frail plaza]

toto's a 120M march bro

[spare oak]

I’m in slot 1

[north jacinth]

lol close

[haughty cipher]

[north jacinth]

This is my best out of 5 attacks

[spare oak]

Ow take abad out for like Vivian or storm and see the difference

[north jacinth]

I will be doing a lot of testing but everyone told me not to use Jet and Abad together and that was a dominant combination. Now everyone is sayiong the same thing about Hiccup and Abad lol

[acoustic verge]

Jett Abad was never better than with indes

[north jacinth]

Yes, it certainly was

[acoustic verge]

Then swap Abad out for Vivian or Storm shadow

And prove me wrong

[north jacinth]

The fact that I was knocking out 65m Navy marches with a 40m AF that I could never take out with the indes march was all I needed to know

[acoustic verge]

There are good and bad 60m navy's

[acoustic verge]

My 30m army also beats 50m airforce if they are build weak

[north jacinth]

Trust they are good navy marches, and I tested with and without indes agains the same ones when jet came out

[frail plaza]

my 65M air force friend knocks out 90M navy with hiccup Vivian jett tho, would still be the same with or without indes

[acoustic verge]

Test the same now with hiccup

[north jacinth]

I will man lol. I just got him, chill

[acoustic verge]

2nd march

[haughty cipher]

my 30m army Friend get knocks by 30m air

[acoustic verge]

My 30m air does that as well

[frail plaza]

Hiccup is OP

[acoustic verge]

I did that with Brady too

[haughty cipher]

got 3 diamond key right now in 9 maps 🤣🤣

[acoustic verge]

[haughty cipher]

4 now in 12

[last vault]

I got hiccup
is it normal or rare

[frail plaza]

[haughty cipher]

as long as i know it's free for all

[frail plaza]

you gotta be more specific

march CP can be inflated too

because march size makes up a big part of it

[haughty cipher]

6 march size though

difference*

[frail plaza]

[ornate compass]

Be nice. I was just saying hi to my friend 👀🩴

[north jacinth]

There, This is just now in SVS. Solid navy

[haughty cipher]

i swear I didn't posted that someone hacked my account and posted that

[ornate compass]

[north jacinth]

And here is with me on Defense

[haughty cipher]

[frail plaza]

That's just how good air force is against navy

[ornate compass]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-here-mom-monkey-gif-11862932

[onyx basalt]

DONE 🗿

[haughty cipher]

why edited Es number

[coral jewel]

@ornate compass

[frail plaza]

Yoy missing ex8

[coral jewel]

@frail plaza weak

[frail plaza]

Light

[coral jewel]

[ornate compass]

[frail plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-running-gif-23255603

[haughty cipher]

[onyx basalt]

credit card expired last month

[frail plaza]

What kinda anco has expired cc

[ornate compass]

[haughty cipher]

@drifting prism buff army please

[frail plaza]

[dull spade]

[haughty cipher]

[ornate compass]

Dennis 👀 Naughty

[north jacinth]

So any thoughts on if that Navy I am testing against is built right?

[dull spade]

[dull spade]

Sowwy

[ornate compass]

[haughty cipher]

stealing battle report

[dull spade]

[upper ember]

All lies!

[onyx basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-silversqueeze-wallstreetsilver-money-gif-24498441

[haughty cipher]

see army needs urgent buff

not winning by more than 50% with suppression advantage is shame

[frail plaza]

Real sad, should've stayed hostile march

[trim cipher]

Whale

[coral jewel]

Tf why so mean to me

[ornate compass]

Because you love it

[coral jewel]

Ayooo… don’t spread rumors

[normal scarab]

[ornate compass]

🤓

[coral jewel]

The vultures are here

Time to dip

[ornate compass]

[coral jewel]

Share some

I’m at a client site in a meeting and haven’t had lunch

[ornate compass]

https://tenor.com/view/bumby-wool-yoshioka-popcorn-offering-gif-25857539

[coral jewel]

[ornate compass]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-ellen-show-rihanna-gif-24610866

[coral jewel]

How nice of you

[ornate compass]

See? I can be nice to you. When you behave 🤓

[surreal jetty]

👀

[delicate silo]

Always been nice to me. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[lean quartz]

Yet this combo is able to cover 30m+ march cp difference against navy

[ornate compass]

🫶🏼🫶🏼

[lean quartz]

[wispy knoll]

1313 loot me please

[surreal jetty]

[lean quartz]

[surreal jetty]

[north jacinth]

I saw this in another thread... What is this? Something on the newer servers?

[fervent yew]

[trim cipher]

Yes.

It is an event that I think only runs until TA

[vast knoll]

uisios

jfkfjd

[neon latch]

@remote turtle hello beautiful

Me and @ripe grove hope you're doing well

We miss you

We love you

Anywho

[remote turtle]

I have words for u I ant allowed share here

Cause dino be mad

[surreal jetty]

😂

[neon latch]

You know where to share them 😌

Just like last time

I like it when you send me those cute messages

They make my day

[candid juniper]

Irish and I are neighbors, 98 and 99

[remote turtle]

Bottles beer on the wall

[candid juniper]

I think I’ve met your one of your ally from 98 on English Channel 79 when I introduced myself from 2699

A player replied we’re neighbors, 98, that’s why I still remember that conversation

[neon latch]

[candid juniper]

Could be 97, 🤔 too long to remember

[sacred slate]

@neon latch it seems succ didn't give a dam about u lol

[neon latch]

What'd she say

@sacred slate

[sacred slate]

she ask since when you're here

askin about me n not u

[neon latch]

[sacred slate]

anywho Hiccup so OP nao

gonna wait an army to whack em good

[neon latch]

Yh hes goated

@sacred slate can you use cross arena or nah

I wanna hit your march

[sacred slate]

I didn't even reach Top 300

[neon latch]

😂😂

@velvet shell

Arena

[sacred slate]

ridiculous, what is this hero?

[neon latch]

[sacred slate]

I turn on supression

[neon latch]

Yh im loving him

[sacred slate]

Duke Goat replaced by him nao

[neon latch]

No

Goat always the 🐐

@remote turtle come cuddle darling

[sacred slate]

tell ur to eat more grass

slackin

[neon latch]

[sacred slate]

again...

eat more grass, ur slackin

supression on

btw

[trail surge]

Tff what is the purpose of surpress

[neon latch]

No

He the 🐐

Hes just feeling merciful

[sacred slate]

a feature for supress

[sacred slate]

just say his lackin

[neon latch]

Nuh uh

[trail surge]

Game is broken

[sacred slate]

gladly i'm already broken

[hexed elm]

air on top again

long live maximo

[sacred slate]

*gasp oh no... the game is brokennn anyway...

[sacred slate]

need someone to boolie navy

or both

[hexed elm]

navy just needs to be banned, not bullied

the game flags when you 5* a navy hero and bans you

[sacred slate]

I love AF tho

still using encirclement

[summer nacelle]

Well gg

[austere path]

oh werll

max II is finally here

guess its time to get ex5 sigh

[orchid copper]

Does ppl forget that eagle supress the supressions?

[summer nacelle]

That navy is full es7

And buffs

[austere path]

new hero is good.

[summer nacelle]

I put some runes on it with ignition

[austere path]

got her to ex5

[summer nacelle]

I guess that's a big plus.

[austere path]

ignition doesnt do anything. what u want is

that burn+30%

T_T

3 pieces

[summer nacelle]

Its ignition is 120% in es5

[austere path]

yeah thats why u want burn +30%

whatever that is

not the "apply 30% burn thing"

armor burn and not weapon burn

[summer nacelle]

ohh

Yeah I know

It's just an increase

Has 2 Titan with 30% ignition

Plus Jett I think each ignition is like 200%

[austere path]

ill be honest

mathematically

jett's burn damage is pretty bad

but her burn +30% effect is great

the "for every 5 burn apply more burn damagE"

i run her at ex3 and her active skill damage is already 2x normal attack which is mostly the same as replays....

so i dont think she benefits that much from ex5...only the additional burn effect

[summer nacelle]

Jett has a lot of ignition

Each attack adds another 30% stack and each round 3 random 50% ignitions

Also increases all ignitions up to 60%

[austere path]

i know

[neon latch]

Its worth it miku

Trust

[austere path]

but what i find is that her burn damage doesnt add too much damage effectively

basically

[neon latch]

Get the es7 miku

[austere path]

she is an imba hero

but her ex5 is weak

she is already too strong at ex0

[summer nacelle]

Jett?

[austere path]

yea

[summer nacelle]

But in es5 is when all ignition increases 60%

[austere path]

no

its an upgrade from 30% to 60%

[neon latch]

Nah

[austere path]

also

[neon latch]

Miku

[austere path]

its an upgrade from 5%-->10%-->15%

right?

[summer nacelle]

Correct

[austere path]

to me

this is like vitality

a small portion of ur damage gets a small upgrade ANd its delayed

no one cares about vitality

[neon latch]

It gives 3 stacks of 50% ignition guaranteed

[austere path]

thats just bad

lol

sorry.

[neon latch]

And then you can get 60% added to that

[summer nacelle]

Ignition is much stronger than vitality

[austere path]

btw

let me try to explain my point

[neon latch]

110% or am I reading it wrong?

[summer nacelle]

Correct

Basically Jett puts 30% ignitions per attack and 3 50% ignitions each round

Now you add that 60%

And it is 90% and 110%

[neon latch]

And then the es7 even better

[austere path]

here

[neon latch]

[austere path]

u can test it

basically

[sage patio]

In my testing, I didn't see big difference between Jett es3 and Jett es5. So, I'm using Jett es3. But, I did see enough difference that es3 is very much worth it

[austere path]

ex3-->5 for jett only increases damage output from 200% average to 240% average

as a % of normal atk

ex3-->5 for hiccup increases damage from 75% to 200%

on top of the 21% effect on air atk not shown

on top of the ignition 3x

btw, hiccups 3x ignition is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than jets 3x ignition

[summer nacelle]

Hiccup is terrifyingly stronger than Jett

There is no comparison

[austere path]

ex0--ex3 is a x1.1 upgrade

[summer nacelle]

But we're talking about Jett compared to other heroes like Abad

[austere path]

ex3-->ex5 is a x1.08 upgrade

mathematically

that being said if u use ex3, ur losing 9% damage decrease or 80% attack

so ur penalised by about 80%/3500%

or x0.97

so x1.1 x0.97... x1.06 ish upgrade for 10 shards

[neon latch]

Wish we could test it on hero trials but you cant change the skill level to different levels

[austere path]

well

the only thing i dont fully understand is the burn-vitality

i cant get the maths down

that 5%>10%>15% is too small to see especially the impact to hiccups burn

taht being said im thinking of getting all my subs hiccup ex5

[neon latch]

Get es7 on your main

[austere path]

?

hicuup?

absolutely not

its abit weak

[neon latch]

No

Get it

Right now

[austere path]

its too small of an upgrade

so no

[neon latch]

No

@austere path

Let me into 502

[austere path]

get 180M cp first

[sage patio]

With Tigress it is. With Hiccup it isn't.

[austere path]

i did share my notes yesterday from testing

basically, once you use jett-hiccup

the "best" third hero depends on ur ex and how long the battle is

kum is better in longer battles and overpowered at 5+

[eager matrix]

I was going to keep Duke 👀

[austere path]

abad and tigress are good mid-range ones which are weaker in fundamental stats but has t1-t2 bonuses OR loses damge over time such that its good in the 3-4 spot. but 2-4 turns ill just pick indes

ex7 i think indes all the way

ex3 indes is garbage so stay away

[neon latch]

Wth miku

Lemme join

[austere path]

btw

im not capital holder

[neon latch]

[austere path]

usually capital holder is whoever online during saturday 11am

no one bothers

[eager matrix]

🤔

[neon latch]

Who the flip is

I thought it was one of your alts

[austere path]

no lol

[neon latch]

How can miku not be the cap leader

[austere path]

its basically

[neon latch]

Once they let me in we'll make changes to leadership

[austere path]

whoever bothers to be online saturday 11am

[neon latch]

Starting with us taking cap

[neon latch]

Ill message em

[neon latch]

We'll make 502 great together

Kll bring garuda with us

[austere path]

thats why super random

haha

like as long as they give out the free boxes

no one really cares

[neon latch]

So they'll let me in @austere path

Pass some good words to the leader for me

[austere path]

ill tell them yangkai wants to burn everyone

and stop our farms

kick him out

[neon latch]

All I wanna do is put you as cap leader 🥺

We'll make 502 the top server 😌

We'll recruit mo and all his accounts

Saga

Everyone

[austere path]

no thanks

i like where we are now

[neon latch]

Same

Me and you together

[summer nacelle]

Indestructible is slowly losing its value

[trail herald]

[sage patio]

Vivian vs Striker. Striker is better than Duke, but still not better than Vivian:

[neon latch]

Bro

Dont need to look at it since you've said striker better

[austere path]

striker is kinda like kum

its better than other indes as a third hero in longer games

and stronger when the other two heroes are op as f

it gets weaker if the other two hero is "balanced"

as you need indes firepower provided by modern indes heroes

striker = 70% indes, almost no damage output, backrow hp+

modern indes = 50% indes, good damage output

when ur two other hero (eg: Q-binary, jett-hiccup) has super high damage output, the damage output marginal value falls

kinda like

if you ate 10 plates of spaghetti

3 more spaghetti is valued less

so you want indes or deserrs

ts

[summer nacelle]

Mmm spaghetti

[frail plaza]

[eager matrix]

Can I make a suggestion that all future in game comparisons be made in spaghetti. Metric system is obsolete

[austere path]

oh yea btw

to properly kill chat im starting this analysis

this is the burn damage from t1 to t5, the first 10 burns cataloged

blue is "high burn", green is "low burn"

There are only two heroes, jett5 and hiccup5. jett has "burn vitality: every 5 atk, burn +20% damage", and "skill that applies 30% burn when it hits a burn thing"

hiccup has "damage increase ramping from 0% to 300% per attack", "ex5: burn damage becomes 120% from 30% (??)", and "at start of battle, apply three 50% burn"

[frail niche]

go on

[austere path]

im still doing the maths but

i feel like there are a few streams of burns

stringing from t1-t5: 424>419>681>824>915 feels like hiccups "2 x 120% burn"

then there is t1-t5: 163>??>298>??>457

this is exactly half of hiccups burn

at t5+ but lower as a %

[austere path]

no idea where is the source

then there is this lowest burn which randomly appears

t1: ?>108>?>?>?

and then finally, a burn which is not exactly half of 120% burn but also randomly appears

?>?>?>545>559

i think hiccups damage is easiest to analyse so ima start there first (blue)

[neon latch]

😂😂😂

[austere path]

basically, theoratically 120% burn deals about 3x your 1 hit normal attack. (131T-->393T). however, it deviates because of some burn buffs given by heroes

jett applies "for every 5 burn, burn effect +20%, max 60%.

this is super vague and may apply to only itself or multiple heroes?

or even its own ex?

this is only applies at the end of turn it seems

[sacred slate]

welp Hiccup is a must at exc lv. 5 to max out his potential right?

[frail niche]

yes

miku will babble again about how broken heros are gonna be from now on and still use his max kum regardless

[sacred slate]

Jett exc 3 worth it? combine it w Hiccup exc. lv. 5?

[sacred slate]

so true.

[frail niche]

Just use no ex if you’re doing ex3

[austere path]

im calculating maru

im 100% sure its a good hero

i already ex5

and it feels good to have max II

[neon latch]

Bro

[sacred slate]

ahh i see... not worth to buy for exc 3?

[frail niche]

Abad just got thrown away like that

[neon latch]

Never seen this

[frail niche]

Smh

[frail niche]

Yeah

It’s either ex5/7 or none at all

[austere path]

uh

in my opinion

ex3 is about x1.1 stronger than ex0

ex5 is about x1.09 stronger than ex3

HOWEVER

you lose about 80% attack cuz u lost a slot

this amounts to about x0.98

so in short, ex3 is about x1.07 stronger than 80% attack skill, ex5 is x1.09 stronger than ex3

marginal cost is 9 shards and 72 shards.

[frail niche]

mhm

[austere path]

so ex3 = x1.07 for 9 shards, and IF you buy ex3, you can get x1.09 stronger with 72 skill shards

for a total of x1.17 x stronger than ex0

[frail niche]

That’s.. interesting

I’ve compared ex3 po with lv7 normal dmg inc before

[austere path]

but im still testing....

[frail niche]

Really little difference

[austere path]

basically the contention is

yeah u wont ever feel x1.1 difference

its too small to effect replays unless u do 35 rounds

but when u get x1.1 8 to 9 times suddenly its x2 stronger and thats huge

x1.1 ^ 9

is more than x2

[frail niche]

Yea that may explains why I feel they are almost identical

Striker jett hiccup still works

Right?

Better than abad jett tiger

[austere path]

up2u

its complex

i posted a pic somewhere up there

on best third hero

35 turn kum is very very strong but no one have 5-35 turn replays in real life rofl

[frail niche]

That was jett hiccup paired with third hero?

[austere path]

yeah

its basically testing all the options for third hero.

jet hiccup is a set. cant deviate

[frail niche]

kum still survives

I’m surprised

[austere path]

basically the theory is

the stronger ur 2-hero combo

the stronger striker or kum is

this is because striker provides 70% indes (despite low damage) and hp +

[candid juniper]

The person would be dry after 35 times

Irl

[austere path]

kum provides both hp and attack up AND has the hamster buff independent of everything

[austere path]

there are things that help

[frail niche]

So you’re saying jett hiccup is just so strong that indes will eventually overcome the additional dmg from more recent indes heros

[austere path]

such as tonic, high fructose corn syrup

[austere path]

at this point it can match it in shorter battles

the gap is smaller

if the enemy uses duke ur still rekt

so its complex

[frail niche]

🤷‍♂️

Too much math in this game

All we do is throw money and it works

[austere path]

well i just found something insane so. yeah throwing money works

im actually scared

if my theory is right

im gonna see 2T burns on 131T attack damage rof

oh only 1.5T. dang

[surreal jetty]

You muppet i posted today

[neon latch]

"View blocked message"

@piss off

[surreal jetty]

wow

after all we been through

bullying up Killer on 2749 in loot quests

[neon latch]

😂😂😂

[surreal jetty]

[neon latch]

Im sowwy

[surreal jetty]

no no break it its fine

[austere path]

anyways ok im tired this is my theory

lets say u got burn damage at turn 1. and its 100% factor

jett's formula is unknown, but turn by turn on average

first attack 100%, t2 start: 116%, t3: 126%, t4:135%, t5-forever: 146% of ur initial burn damage

then, if the hero has burn damage up, u just top it up for example, my hiccup has 90% burn (3 full star).

then its 100% + 46% + 90%

or 236%

so lets say ur initial first attack is 131T x 3. Base damage is 131T x 3 / 1.2 x 120% burn = 393T.

[slow pagoda]

Whale just make it excl 5 😎

[austere path]

Final turn gets 300% damage increase, so at 400% di, this is x1.6 final damage

393T x 1.6

but ur burn also gets 236% factor from jetts t4+ burn up, and the titans

so 393T x 1.6 x 236% factor

1483T on a 131T first normal attack

plus minus, actual replay is 1460T

on a different replay

[shadow glen]

@thin wind

[thin wind]

@neon latch

u fat a$$

[shadow glen]

Crash out hoky

Tell em

[neon latch]

@thin wind

[thin wind]

left me for woman that all hunt behind ur money

u mf

[neon latch]

Tell em

[neon latch]

Wth happened now 😂

[thin wind]

get the flip out man never running loot ever again with u

[neon latch]

Ayo

[shadow glen]

TELL EM HOKY

[neon latch]

I ran 1 lq with nos and his guys

I didnt use a ticket

[thin wind]

nahhh 1 loot

that stacks up

[neon latch]

No 🥺

[thin wind]

u know how the cheating game works

[neon latch]

@slow pagoda shut up

You spaz

Anywho

[slow pagoda]

Yang caught cheating

[surreal jetty]

😂

[neon latch]

I didnt cheat cos I didnt use a ticket 🥺

[thin wind]

i thought we had something special now i just feel like @dawn salmon

[neon latch]

Flip you mean

Jacks the one who's snaked 87 twice back to back

The beep

[candid juniper]

How about Coldplay concert ticket?

[shadow glen]

OH DAYM ITS LIKE THAT

[candid juniper]

[shadow glen]

COLD BLOODED

[thin wind]

well u snaked 87 AND a lootquest...

[neon latch]

Buying it me? Aww how sweet of you

[thin wind]

insane yang

[shadow glen]

TELL EM

[neon latch]

I got kidnapped into the lq

[thin wind]

i never thought u would turn out like this

[neon latch]

I didnt use a ticket

[candid juniper]

So you will get caught cheating on camera

[neon latch]

Ill do lq later and land on 87

Just for you

Not that anyone over there can beat me but yh

[thin wind]

let me guess without me again and with girls

get the flip out

[neon latch]

There wasnt any girl in the Lq

I made sure

All guys 😏

[thin wind]

sureeeee

idk how much i can trust u anymore

...

[neon latch]

[thin wind]

insane yang broke my heart twice