📱│game-discussion

[swift kiln]

but doesn't look better than layla or duke for jester and zhen

[sacred slate]

we can do some test in hero trial for their base RAW strength

plus the trigger

want to see her proc

If above 36% shes good 😹

If she have a High proc, she will cover all of the enemy units with debi effects

[peak epoch]

🤔 is she better than shinji ex7 tho

[slow pagoda]

Meowzilla need it's own special rune which would make sparsh damage more efficient

[slow pagoda]

Yes. Mostly

[slow pagoda]

Need 50%

[swift kiln]

lol

just stack dmg runes

[sacred slate]

lol theres no Indes heroes touching that only heroes like Polik,Snake Eyes and Leon

[dense wind]

Jester Meowzilla Ada lost 2 times agaisnt Jester Meowzilla Layla while Layla march was defending

Overall i see Layla ex7 doing better on Hero Trial in comparison to Ada

Layla also has double skill extra damage from ex5 and ex7

So Layla shots deals sligthly more damage compared to Ada

Meanwhile Ada shots less than Layla

Although the extra indes sligthly compensates the lower damage, it's not enough

Yeah Ada imo goes in a 2nd navy march

[floral crow]

34% proc rate

Seems meh

[dense wind]

Rounded to 35%

Layla's trigger rate is 40% if i remember well

Less damage and less trigger rate

If you already have Layla then just recruit her in case you need a 2nd navy march

If you only want 1 navy march and you already have Layla upgraded then this hero is useful as a gold miner skill holder

[opal vessel]

All indes hero are useful, just put it in 2nd march, if all you upgrade is navy

[reef peak]

nope

[opal vessel]

Everyone eventually need 2 marches, if only 1, its not gonna do much in game

[swift kiln]

keeping 1 march is costing enough money already

[dense wind]

Yeah but there are people that also mains other branches

I don't think a vip 0 is willing to get 2 marches of each branch

At least for now not

[floral crow]

I can guarantee that’s useless 😂

Too many exc0 heroes

[swift kiln]

lol goood luck to the f2ps out there trying to get 2k ex skill shards after they removed them from all events except collab

[slow pagoda]

Navy mains got curse 🤣

[reef peak]

ada is strong

[severe latch]

Went 15-5 on hero trial with the new hero

[outer oyster]

i did Ada Lilia meow vs layla Lilia meow, went 12-8 for ada

when she lose it was reallly close

[dense wind]

Which march was attacking?

[outer oyster]

layla

I guess it depends on people luck, they very similar

but she looked like she hits hard on my reports

[dense wind]

Wait

Now Ada is winning by a vast difference on reports right now

[severe latch]

Ada went 15-5 vs both Layla and Duke

[outer oyster]

Ada with jester ?

[dense wind]

They re adjusted her in the past minutes

[severe latch]

It doesn’t even seem close tbh

[quartz hazel]

After 20 results Ada went 11-9 against duke(Ada 9)

10 attack and 10 defence

[outer oyster]

They probably ajusted a little

[quartz hazel]

So it seem similar

Not much upgrade

[outer oyster]

She’s slightly better but not a lot like they always do

[quartz hazel]

So skip for me. I guess no use investing ex5

[severe latch]

The big advantage of the new hero is taking advantage of the blue ht stun effect. Duke was only able to make 1 unit stunned. Ada will stun all 3

If you watch the report essentially all stacks are debilitated the entire fight. Meaning 80% chance to stun every other round. This is a major advantage

[quartz hazel]

lol my robot does in 2 mins for both svs or Odin

[outer oyster]

There is a lot of indirect things that needs to be taken in the equation lol, HT and runes changes a lot of results

[severe latch]

Lmao fair enough😂

[quartz hazel]

So atleast I personally don’t take ht in any comparison

[outer oyster]

ada can’t have a debil rune on her or at least it makes half her kit useless

[quartz hazel]

I feel like days when new hero’s were op gone

Didn’t see any new hero much better than last one after hero nelle

[outer oyster]

isn’t that for the best

[quartz hazel]

Yep, but atleast give 1 op hero to counter air

[outer oyster]

old players don’t need new heroes and so new players can get heroes that can fight against old players

[quartz hazel]

😅

[outer oyster]

it’s kinda balancing

Not a lot

but still

[quartz hazel]

You don’t know the air terror unless navy main

[outer oyster]

Guess what I am

i mean stromoy used to be a big counter to maximo when she was strong

Maybe they will release something like that later

[quartz hazel]

Only have 1.5 march in base , which dies even to half stats air

[outer oyster]

they need to open the decor island lake

More boats

[severe latch]

Jester is op

This is honestly the best navy has been in a few years lol

[quartz hazel]

Yep, 1v3

🤣

[severe latch]

I mean old navy was never winning fights like this

[outer oyster]

The proc rates 💀

Snake eyes worked hard

[severe latch]

Yea cause jester lol

[outer oyster]

Yes jester against combo attack is non existent

[onyx basalt]

guysssssssssssssss

😮

CUTE

also her name is miku

easy 5 star

[austere orbit]

Is she having an orgasam

[exotic trail]

Do we know if we Will get a second part of Resident evil?

[wanton sigil]

Took long time of collection and exchange boxes helped a lot too

[simple wadi]

Any report on the new hero vs Layla 5

[exotic trail]

Use trial heroes

[simple wadi]

I did

[slow pagoda]

Trial heros is scam

[simple wadi]

But those aren’t real cuz no debilitation runes on Layla

According to trial hero 7 times average at lvl5 exclusive the average here is 75% and for Layla march is 57%

[exotic trail]

Anyone know anything about a 2.0 Resident evil?

[simple wadi]

2 highest results in 7 reports each:

[opal vessel]

Ask this when the event comes to an end, why ask now when the event still has 3 more weeks

[exotic trail]

Cuz i Need to know if ticket stay

The decors one

If they dont then i Need to buy few daily to reach 500 if not i can wait and pay less

[opal vessel]

Its the same thing to ask, if there will be sequel of a movie when noone gonna know if the movie will be success. Just wait

[onyx basalt]

Poh ?

You people need to know how topwar works

Times of universal heros is over

Jester would give you much better results

[simple wadi]

That’s my current setup. Layla po crimson. I can afford one hero change, so no point for me to test all three different heroes

[onyx basalt]

Those as hole devs

Everything is pay

At least give f2p free heros

[unique granite]

hard to tell

but you could have I guess

Ada 5 isn't impressive enough to replace Layla 5

that's just my opinion

[slow pagoda]

Who gonna test 🤔

[unique granite]

I don't need to test

she's good for shields with lilia or stromoy as old

she's not made for jester setup

plus layla 7 to date still worth using, you hit more units less damage than Ada

Ada hits less units for bit more damage

I rather hit more and less than hit less numbers for lil more because poke can become a snowball

plus Ada vs RNG events like dodge and stuff will be more painful

terrible 5 exc hero

[undone grotto]

The hero seems weak imo

Ada

[unique granite]

[slow pagoda]

Navy got curse 🤣

[unique granite]

navy still strong

she's just for whales to have 2 good navies now

[slow pagoda]

I expected to be atleast 10 % upgrade

[unique granite]

she can upkeep your lilia or stromoy max dmg for 3 rounds

yes

it is an upgrade at 7, yet low

not worth the money for most of us

just those who think 999 vouchers for 2% dmg is worth

[slow pagoda]

At 7 it should be 20-30 %

20% minimum for lvl 7

[undone grotto]

Are they really making alternatives hero

Heros

[slow pagoda]

Yes

I feel 2-3 heros skip will give you better hero for your replacement

Like I am using gypsy. Skipped po ..so may be next po replacement I would aim for

[undone grotto]

Imagine if they fix maximo oroc rate

Proc*

[slow pagoda]

Proc rate is not problem

Just Dev's finally identified ha and la to nerf maximo

[undone grotto]

Oh

[unique granite]

maximo never had an issue

just the fact only mid row procs

[slow pagoda]

Still didn't get important decors 😭

[unique granite]

not usable anymore unless under a weakening

o got 2.5% dmg dec one today

got it to level 3 using shards

[slow pagoda]

I am still yet to get

Like 36 spins 🤣

[unique granite]

I'm 700% now using Villiers

and paint +10%

[slow pagoda]

Nice

[unique granite]

we're getting there

[slow pagoda]

When will I get those decors 😭

[unique granite]

you will!

I can tell you free ones are giving me decors but when i top up to keep up with the moment and hype of success

0% decors thus far

so F spending

XD

[broken drum]

So if I run Duke there is no point swapping for new hero really?

It's either take new hero, or get close to finally perking my 2nd March?

(Low-mid spender problems) 🤣

[slow pagoda]

For me nothing working so far

🤣

Hope will find fox

[shadow glen]

Man

I should have stayed

[peak epoch]

Too late, no take backsies

😂

[sacred slate]

hmm... so the svs wz now use real march cp

[slow pagoda]

I missed the chance to see you burning

[hallow hound]

Hero trial jester/crimson ex5
8-2 ada wins against layla on defence
10-0 ada wins against layla on attack

Ada is big update

[floral crow]

Not what you like to see

We did survive but was nervous hahaha

[floral crow]

Doesn’t feel like a ginormous improvement from striker lol, probably less with Layla

Don’t get me wrong it is a solid improvement but nothing crazy for me personally rn… will test more when I have more attempts in arena

[slow pagoda]

I will upgrade it may be now 🙈

[hallow hound]

According to my tests ada is clear winner against layla

[onyx basalt]

2 heroes 5 stars What do I need to buy and how much will it cost me approximately

[hallow hound]

And the difference is big it seems. Just wondering what will happens with runes and blue ht.

[outer oyster]

Ada with jester is kinda weird

Depends on debil procs ig

[slow pagoda]

Hit me on warzone rank 5..

[tranquil oracle]

the procs difference is too big not a fair test

[slow pagoda]

Just be gentle

[swift kiln]

i did 10 tests and they look kinda even, and hugely dependent on RNG, 1 battle layla wins big and the other battle ada wins big, my tests were layla won 6 out of 10

[slow pagoda]

I am small

Proc rate is very different all time

[tranquil oracle]

the hero is too rng dependent

[swift kiln]

ya navy have this quirky stuff that makes it so that you can suddenly go from lost by major margin to win by major margin

[slow pagoda]

Rank 5. If possible hit

Quite like prey 🤣

If it's not on drugs it's fine

[stiff hearth]

Impact runes and jester is counter productive to ada passive skill

[slow pagoda]

Hero is just bad

[onyx basalt]

Ada wong good?

What is the best Navy combo 2hm right now?

[slow pagoda]

It's worse

Downgrade to layla i see

[floral crow]

I feel like best 2hm is zhen + jester maybe? But idk feels wrong

Probably zhen + po or somethin

Having a hero with no procs on 2hm doesn’t sound great

[onyx basalt]

I tought Lilia and Meowzilla

[outer oyster]

two hm probably Lilia meow or jester zhen

[unique granite]

-1 hit than layla so is expected a nerf in debilitate

layla way better to debi with jester

[outer oyster]

but what if they debil the same target

[onyx basalt]

Okay thanks. I wanted to ask where I can get a lot of gold shards so what do I have to buy and how much approximately I would have to pay I need 800 gold shards

[outer oyster]

Does ada gets more value by debil different targets

i wonder @unique granite

[unique granite]

she has to hit a non debi to get the shields on your unit

you're gambling report RNG

topwar battle algothirms are rigged for everyone

whale or f2p alike all rigged

so i wouldnt bet money on a hero that relies heavily on rng

is not about the damage is that passive condition that is RNG

[outer oyster]

But what does priorities mean for Ada ?

[unique granite]

almost all whales wont proc ada shields at all

[outer oyster]

This hero cancels herself that’s kinda dumb

L game design

[slow pagoda]

It's weak

Hope they give me refund 🤣

[slow pagoda]

It's always been 😭

[stiff hearth]

Ada full potential is only happening if you don’t have or use jester or have impact runes on your navy titan gear

[slow pagoda]

I will consider this hero as one of my Blunder just like nemo

[swift kiln]

that works, i guess, but something about navy feels so wrong without 3 hero

[slow pagoda]

This hero is like prey

Just to much rng 🤣

[swift kiln]

why did you upgrade 😂

[slow pagoda]

Well I went dumb or brain fading moment

[steady narwhal]

Collab event without any meta hero .... lools like end of collab heroes which used for longer time. Perhaps TW moved to give better monthly heroes .... to give users chance to replace in shorter time ... and buy more skills

[floral crow]

Yea I 5 starred her 30 seconds after reset 🤷‍♂️😂

Been waiting months for new navy indes so said screw it we ball

[jade sky]

Is it worth investing in Ada on newer servers. So far the only navy is Maple and Stromoy

[onyx basalt]

After Ta comes Lilia and Meowzilla

[jade sky]

yea then definitely saving my shards

[onyx basalt]

Yes

[jade sky]

Do they come out on hero’s trial

[steady narwhal]

t-me was right ... expected that TW is focusing on monthly heroes and not on collab heroes anymore. looks like end of time to use a hero one year or longer.

[unique granite]

just cash grabs , all event has been

only decors are worth chasing and to get them you have to gamba

after that gamba just stop spending, rest is worthless, over the price

[outer oyster]

Only Layla on hero trial

[unique granite]

you can ask for hero trials here, we got those heroes

i just ran out of mine conducting army tests

😄

[outer oyster]

No he means hero trial it’s a shop after TA1

[unique granite]

because Ada navy is like free hero trials to test everything except Ada

ah yeah

that shop

[outer oyster]

You too old for that

[unique granite]

im aware of the shop

pay or not you get coins or tokens to exchange

[outer oyster]

it’s really a big help at start

[unique granite]

exclusives and what not

well, our start was the same but costing 400$

so the fact you dont have to pay that

yeah good start

[outer oyster]

it gave me two exc 5 without any money 🤣

Broken shop

Also gives you strong heroes

Shop everyone dreamt of

wish they made another one for TA2

[unique granite]

well old had to pay for all that

so is unfair

[outer oyster]

Yes but you played more so it balances

[unique granite]

no it doesnt

a guy who spends 50K and quits will not be the same stats as a new player who spends 50K

50K as new player is like 800-900%

an old player was probably 550%

[outer oyster]

DMG ?

[unique granite]

yeah

when you no longer are new to them you'll see what im talking about

and how "fair" that will be

for now you guys booming with freebies

[outer oyster]

I’ve been playing for 4 years I know what you mean too

[unique granite]

when you become old, watch

[outer oyster]

😂😂

[unique granite]

gotcha

you just made a new acc then?

prolly cheaper

[outer oyster]

was playing when Nimitz was meta

💀🤣

[outer oyster]

Yes sir

Played on lot of accounts every time I made a new one the grind was easier

they once gave Amalia for free

[dense zodiac]

Quick question: does anyone know if there gonna be more AF heros maybe (indestructable) ? Or should players who went AF just delete that account ?
For servers 3600+

[outer oyster]

wait 7 months you will get your Indes 🤣

[unique granite]

just play your game, scale up, heroes will drop by

I wouldn't buy new servers heroes

choices are already outdated

you'll get a crazy super hero because there's no other options but later on, options won't miss

[outer oyster]

Maybe the new server heroes will change soon

maybe they will get quilly on second week 🤣

[unique granite]

I'd invest on stats rather than heroes, play your game smart and then capitalize on the best tier of heroes

Quilly now is great

even if there's a new quilly, quilly crazy good value

[dense wind]

We still have 1 week of rotation left, so will know if we get another new option of heroes soon

[unique granite]

so it stays relevant regardless a better quilly comes

[outer oyster]

You had that maple barbie ass treasure ?

[dense wind]

Barbie first then Cranston

[outer oyster]

Then you get nothing after that

[dense wind]

But our TA won't start till in 1 week and half

[dense zodiac]

I mean im AF Player and im running tigress abad and barbie but i see army get great heros and navy get a New indestructable hero but AF is kinda forgotten about

[outer oyster]

lol you already got the best march

Nothing to worry about

[outer oyster]

after Cranston you get nothing

[dense zodiac]

I would like an indestructable one like duke or storm or shinji

[storm grove]

Hello

[dense wind]

There's Ada right now on collab lucky treasure

If you don't have Layla or Duke then get Ada

[outer oyster]

New servers are lucky they get Ada before TA starts 😂😂

[dense zodiac]

Ada ? For AF ?

[outer oyster]

TA gonna be so navy sided

[dense wind]

oh right Duke was universal

[dense zodiac]

Yeah

[dense wind]

We're going to need to wait for a bit for hero trials store to open to see if we get changes

[dense zodiac]

AF is the only one who didnt have an indestructable hero

[grand sierra]

U 3783??

[dense wind]

Well yes and no

[outer oyster]

Stromoi/maple/ada is solid early march if you rich as hell 😂

[dense wind]

Yes

[outer oyster]

against barbie/cranston🤣😂

[grand sierra]

U attacked me 😅

[dense wind]

[outer oyster]

Abad Brady

[dense zodiac]

Im 3688 and its bad

[outer oyster]

Hero trial is basically an AF shop

You can even get Kai

[dense zodiac]

Kai is so bad

[dense wind]

Will wait just in case

Maybe we get Quilly this time on that store

[outer oyster]

He’s not bad against silence

[dense wind]

But 2 weeks more to know

[outer oyster]

I wish for you 🤣😂😂

[dense wind]

Hopefully not

[dense zodiac]

Yeah u will get everything

[dense wind]

I'm vip 0 so i'm using Nelle and Brynhildr for now

[outer oyster]

since you had the same event as I did get 2 months ago

[dense wind]

The last thing i need is to see opponents using Quilly Nelle

[outer oyster]

I doubt you’d get différent shop

[dense wind]

But 2 months is still quite a bit of time

[outer oyster]

Yes but your events are the same as I did they didn’t change the rotation yet

[dense wind]

And at least 1 round of heroes rotation (Army, Navy and Air Force) could have passed leading to an updated store

[dense wind]

Mm we'll see

[outer oyster]

We waited 3 weeks after nelle treasure ended before TA

no heroes came

Luckily there was panda collab

[dense wind]

... Then yeah still a lot of time left

At least i'm going to be Mechanical Master once TA begins

Hopefully i will end unlocking facilities near the end of TA

[outer oyster]

Wish you get them 🤣🤣(I didn’t)

[grand sierra]

Nelle excl3 or +4 marchsize?

[vital loom]

ur using nelle ex0 right now?

its either ex5 or nothing tbh

[outer oyster]

If exc 0 use march size DMG increase and DMG decrease I’d say

[grand sierra]

Okeyy

[loud gulch]

@wanton sigil better?

[drowsy pulsar]

There is no chance 800-900% for 50k you would need a lot of other stuff

[undone grotto]

This ur stats

[loud gulch]

Yes

[undone grotto]

With buffs

[loud gulch]

Yes

[undone grotto]

Let me see without

[loud gulch]

I hide now 🤭

[vital loom]

yeah, people spent like 10K alone for morale 10

• es7s for 1-2 marches atleast

thats like 5-7k

[drowsy pulsar]

Ex7 for 1 March is technically like $6k

Equipment $$$ all the rest $$$$$$

You can’t be a new guy with 50k and just have 800% you would be spending on loads

[misty scarab]

Why do you need exclusive 7

If the goal is the stats

Not all

Of them give dmg inc

[undone grotto]

You do more dmg with es7

[misty scarab]

Ye I said the goal is increasing the stats

Not be better in the fight

[unreal slate]

Get that account bro

5k

[loud gulch]

That’s mine xD

With buffs

Some of which I don’t know how I got

[unreal slate]

No

I meant the one advertised

😂

But your stats are nice now

Almost not f2p

[loud gulch]

Air force sucks too much now

[hoary heron]

Newest ones now got given Lilia and Quilly to begin with

[outer oyster]

You have screen shots ?

[jade sky]

wassup lee when do we get lilia

nvm right after ta i forgot

[hoary heron]

Actually I may have misread tbf

[onyx basalt]

Is Kennedy any good?

With Gipsy

Also what's with the new obsession with DEF

[stuck aurora]

Its this years shirt with flame effect on the sleeves

In my day 1% def was alleged to be the same as 1% hp so it was ignored.

[onyx basalt]

Yeah and what does it do now other than increasing HP?

[stuck aurora]

Probs makes whales indestructible or something bro

Too rich for my blood i think i have low def

Ye not great lol 😂

[dense wind]

Because back then DEF sources were so low that it was pretty much impossible to test out the effect that DEF had in troops

Then the heavy trooper chips were released which allowed further tests

[stuck aurora]

Wonder how much cheap def i missed out on by ignoring it lol 😂

[undone grotto]

My def is higher and I’m somewhat f2p the game

[stuck aurora]

Honestly bro idk what the money was spent on here its vip 11 🤣

Oh i looked and my older acc has 14% from formations maybe thats another thing i need to sort on this acc

[vital loom]

anyone wanna join my squad?

we got 1 space for +8 reset

[onyx basalt]

Nobody's answered the question. What does Def fo now

Shouldn't let's say 50% HP be preferable over 3% DEF

[radiant hill]

record?

[radiant hill]

Do you play against whales?

[unique granite]

navy so stupid

you can actually bully 100M CP+ march with a crappy navy

[unique granite]

DEF is like a multiplier for additional DMG Dec based on your existing DMG dec

HP can be seen as DMG dec in a way that you are not reducing the final damage taken, you're just patching it up by soaking up

[unique granite]

I'd join your squad but I only need one shard for the skin last level

then I'm calling it off until they make it playable for me time wise

[onyx basalt]

I'm sorry 😔😔

[fiery plank]

Ill get the skin aswell this round so just gonna get my 20k points and call it a day lol

[onyx basalt]

Left that legendary squad

[unique granite]

I see you this week in warzone arena

[fiery plank]

Yea yea u guys will mess my poor es5 mini army up 🤣

[unique granite]

I'm scouting Diego's roster

gotta say, their CP is kind of new CP so that's insanely good

[fiery plank]

2687 has many sick accounts yea

[unique granite]

but army is in such a bad state against navy, we need mitigations for army again

I'm beating 850% armies with 700%

that's a large gap that normally, you'd lose

[arctic bobcat]

1668 vs 2687 must see lol

[unique granite]

I'd say 2687 would win

looking at the guys I'm hitting

they got some pretty good CP PvP

these aren't top 5

[arctic bobcat]

i agree

what’s those guys def?

[arctic bobcat]

oh that’s them

[unique granite]

@prime scarab you didn't tell me you have super heroes

great roster, serious a top contester very very soon for top 3

[arctic bobcat]

yea i’m good baldcmd some1 and nader all natives and they 1 tap me 😂

[unique granite]

surprised my navy won but is navy, navy is in a dumb state right now

I don't have these guys stats

dude also 100M+ march CP

crazy nice DEF air

very good roster to be honest

[arctic bobcat]

shingami in 87?

[unique granite]

Yes

smacked me

[arctic bobcat]

oh yea 87 definitely beats 68

[unique granite]

1668 is 3384 right now, sort of

you have ALI Ancorlon, your SAGA Jerry

then they have Bobgrif other whales that aren't that caliber

so I'd give victory to Diego's server seeing these stats all over their top 30

bunch of names I had never met

[arctic bobcat]

i can name everyone on 2687 who is strong ive been resized by all them 😔

there’s a lot of strong 50m tg whales

[unique granite]

that's impressive

[vital loom]

Yeah

[undone grotto]

Syn on 1508

Why you move

[full root]

🔥👀👁👀🔥

[valid kestrel]

Hero Def is akin to HP % addition. Unit Def is as noted a multiplier …whether that’s based on dmg dec / HP / combo there of 🤷‍♂️ many battle reports shared over time show surprising results and unit Def has been the secret weapon.

[wraith cliff]

@latent sand will that mute get me my WY name?

Or was that just ur way of telling me to change it 🤣

[wraith cliff]

U got a big head twin

[full root]

Sup brat

[wraith cliff]

Sup

How's 22

[full root]

I'm chilling

[stuck aurora]

I need to get it sorted on this account its pathetic lol 😂

[timber mortar]

Shhhhh let us hide in peace

[wraith cliff]

Whos that Asian dude in ur server

[full root]

Sum waek as player

I kill his main with my 4th team

😎🤣

Anyways I'm off this

[wraith cliff]

🤔

[hexed elm]

understatement of the year

[wraith cliff]

Lose road and u might not fight whales

Buddy is bringing up ur servers cp

[hexed elm]

we’d fight them regardless lol

[wraith cliff]

U sayin road doesn't make a difference

How has that drunk been haven't seen him in a while

[hexed elm]

you missing your man?

[wraith cliff]

It's weird not seeing insults in ec

Is he alright?

[hexed elm]

idk, don’t talk to him lol

[wraith cliff]

Hopefully no liver failure

What we think about this new hero

[hexed elm]

💩

[wraith cliff]

You think so?

[hexed elm]

anything navy is

[wraith cliff]

Spoken like a true army main

I'm feeling mixed about her

[hexed elm]

tested in hero trial?

[wraith cliff]

Yeah

At 5s, zhen, jester, Ada beats zhen, jester, duke

On attack and defense

But with 7s both marches beat each other

[radiant hill]

[wraith cliff]

711 ana

🫡

[vital loom]

He’s got nothing to do with the whale matchups, plus we were talking about TCL matchups not svs matchups lmao

We always had whale matchups in svs and other events mostly because of five.

[radiant hill]

yes... but 1257 now

[vital loom]

Yeah considering we had to fight 5+ 100M cp players in our TCL

Was not fun lol

[hexed elm]

i think i went there for loot not long ago, not very accommodating

[hexed elm]

i had 4 70-80m players just smacking on my base last time, fun until i lost my HT😂

[vital loom]

oh thats not too bad lol

I had a 80M constantly trying to burn me in ours lol

he kept bouncing

no joke I have like 100+ reports from just him 🤣

[hexed elm]

some guy had like 1.6k vals+ in ours, i couldn’t get all the way through but just kept hitting for the fun of it😂

[vital loom]

goddamn

whats that like 6hh?

[hexed elm]

he was 6.5hh

could only get a few hundred though

[vital loom]

damn

imagine how costly that is if you get burnt

[wraith cliff]

Oh kewl I didn't know u were there

[wraith cliff]

U a lil whale huh. That lil 55m is actually like 80m

[vital loom]

nah I'm weak

[wraith cliff]

Nah u a lil whale

[vital loom]

that 80M was just a weak 80M

[wraith cliff]

Fair enough

I know one of those but he's like 90m

[vital loom]

we have a mega whale whose 77M

and our other 80M is very strong too

tbh we have quite a few big whales

[wraith cliff]

I bet

How's my little buddy road

[radiant hill]

I have 1 week

[wraith cliff]

1257 got some cool peeps

Lot of old 674 people there

[radiant hill]

674? lol

[vital loom]

he's fine.

[vital loom]

ah slick

that mf

we had him in our TCL

[wraith cliff]

Yeah. Older peeps

Back in the day

[wraith cliff]

He's pretty big

His navy trashes mine

[slow pagoda]

Lmao

[wraith cliff]

What am I looking at

[vital loom]

my guess ketan not liking the new hero

and wants full refund on skill shards and gs lol

[wraith cliff]

You purposely 5* lvl 5 Ada Wong then decided to get it refunded

[wraith cliff]

Guess he didn't know there's a trial spot to test new herp

[vital loom]

trial is meh

[slow pagoda]

Not purposely though

[vital loom]

uhm

[slow pagoda]

I know but hero trial is scam

[vital loom]

how do u 5 star and es5 a hero on accident

I could understand 5 starring a hero by accident but both 5 star and es5 thats on purpose

[slow pagoda]

There is no accident.. just i told them your hero trial is bugged

I never said I did it by accident

[vital loom]

you did?

when your not doing something purposely it becomes and accident

[slow pagoda]

I mean that i didn't do it accidentally

Just results from hero trials and actual battle were different 🤣

[wraith cliff]

Thought maybe I was confused

New hero seems better than duke

[vital loom]

yes I believe it is

[undone grotto]

Compared to Layla

It isn’t like a different bro

[onyx basalt]

cute

and her name is miku

[vital loom]

[radiant hill]

More respect, he is my alt!

[radiant hill]

I hardly remember anyone from 674

[slow pagoda]

It's not better then layla for sure. Until they fix proc rate on Friday

[wraith cliff]

Layla ain't meta anymore so it's ok

[wraith cliff]

Proxy, captawsm, kraken

[slow pagoda]

Layla is still better though

[wraith cliff]

Not many left nowadays

[wraith cliff]

Than duke?

[onyx basalt]

really?

layla better
?

isnt this hero better

more damage, better debuff

mathematically this hero is far beter

cuzbetter damage ,p assive

as well as

non-debuffed unit targeting

[slow pagoda]

I didn't like duke for reason it would hit last row .

[slow pagoda]

It hits 3 Target layla hite 4 . Both got almost same DMG at end

[onyx basalt]

yeah buit this hero deals more damage

90% +25% higher procrate

more importrantly

[radiant hill]

Proxy is not on 1257 right?

[onyx basalt]

it targets non debuffefd units

[slow pagoda]

Practically it isn't doing wonders

[onyx basalt]

also better indes

leme try tutorial

new hero asuka po

vs new hero asuka po

[slow pagoda]

Tutorial is bugged

[onyx basalt]

vs layla asuka po

[slow pagoda]

Initially layla was doing better but later in 20 mins they changed few things

[undone grotto]

Still meta

This hero

[onyx basalt]

lol

9-1 layla lost

=.=

[undone grotto]

That just came out is weak

[onyx basalt]

rofl

lemme try ex3

[undone grotto]

Unless you es7

[slow pagoda]

But actual result are bad

[vital loom]

and I'm jesus

[onyx basalt]

oh layla is absolute garbage at ex3. 10-0 layla lost

yeah

new hero pretty ok

[slow pagoda]

No difference in both exclusive dmg

[wraith cliff]

Nah that lad quit

[onyx basalt]

the biggest change imo

is new hero spreads out debuff

[slow pagoda]

It's bugged 🤣

[onyx basalt]

better

and has an additional passive

and better indes

probably similar to an upgrade from snake to leon

[slow pagoda]

But it isn't performing as expected 🤣

[onyx basalt]

hence the consistent

winning

against layla

i mean

u guys can tutorial urself

=.=

9-1 and 10-0 is a big change

big enuf

[burnt horizon]

Anyone having a problem with the game screen freezes today

It happened many times and i don't know the reason
It's the first time this happens

[onyx basalt]

nah

i tried mirror

and its 5-5

the tutorial is fine

[burnt horizon]

Become like this and i can't do anything

[onyx basalt]

it works

so new hero 9-1 layla ex5, 10-0 layla ex3

[undone grotto]

Miku do es5

[onyx basalt]

probably a 20% ish downgrade

[undone grotto]

Not es3

[onyx basalt]

*upgrade

test 5 and 3

always

[slow pagoda]

But actual result are different

[onyx basalt]

already tested mirror

tutorial mirror = 505

5-5

nothing wrong with tutorial

[slow pagoda]

This is with layla

This is new hero

[onyx basalt]

stats?

[dense wind]

On that combo Ada will definitely do better

Because she's the only light armor giver on the march

[onyx basalt]

thats

[slow pagoda]

It's not sadly

[onyx basalt]

obviously

bro

test in tutorial

stop

[dense wind]

it did worse?

lmao

[onyx basalt]

if u test in reality obviously

$$ wins

march wins

luck wins

[onyx basalt]

when i said quille >>>>>>>>> leon i was serious

[dense wind]

Hero trial is also luck depending on the stats you use

[onyx basalt]

yeah

but u can do

20+ battles

or 200 battles

[dense wind]

Well this is obvious tho

[onyx basalt]

to even out luck

[slow pagoda]

Can't say really worse but not even 5% upgrade

[dense wind]

Nelle + Quilly is just a nuclear duo in terms of damage

[onyx basalt]

thats

3x difference in stats

dont do testing like that

=.=

and when u add HT difference DEF difference

just no

hitting a wall isnt a good method of testing

[slow pagoda]

Idid ssame testing on both sides

[dense wind]

Well, stats won't make a difference on heroes unless they have a passive skill that gives dmg inc under a certain factor

[onyx basalt]

just do tutorial

they do sorium

[dense wind]

For example heroes like Brady that gives dmg inc

[onyx basalt]

if ur stats is 3x

u will win

lll the time

very very often

and the hp difference is ur luck

[dense wind]

Or Leon's active hostile which gives dmg dec when it has stacks left

[onyx basalt]

basically how much damage u did befoe u die

this is why i discourage this sort of testing

stats + $$$+ luck>>>>> ur march

[dense wind]

But from the rest dmg and def stats won't affect the outcome of a hero

We're talking of heroes comparison

[onyx basalt]

yeah we are

my complaint is

[dense wind]

Obviously if you're weaker you're going to lose

[onyx basalt]

the guy is comparing heroes with different stats

he didnt adjust their stat + march + ex to be the same

[dense wind]

But we're comparing the effectiveness of each hero

[onyx basalt]

so if u show me a replay with difference stats

of left and right

obviously it has 0 standing on hero comparison

[dense wind]

So instead of losing with 60% hp left he could lose 40% hp left

Searching these differences

[onyx basalt]

but yeah.. it tried explaining this to westerners like necrown its impossible.

to them

[forest frigate]

Ada worth replacing Layla if I use Crimson and Jester?

[slow pagoda]

Wait till they patch hero

[vital loom]

don't think so

[onyx basalt]

"since in real life no one has the same stats, tutorial isnt a good place to compare"

[dense wind]

miku

[onyx basalt]

is basically what they say

[radiant hill]

Ask him 🤣

[slow pagoda]

Miku doesn't want to listen

[forest frigate]

Yeah I've been testing and can't see a big difference

[dense wind]

A Bassel + Bellevue + Nimitz combo is going to lose to meta army even if the navy has 3k more hp and atk

600% more dmg stats

and 150% more def

And if you use meta navy

[onyx basalt]

sure. but i will still use tutorial

to battle

or compare heroes

[dense wind]

That navy is going to mop the floor with army

[radiant hill]

Thank God

[onyx basalt]

not real battles

real battles = really bad

at comparing

thats all i wanna say

[slow pagoda]

Miku i tested this with both heros on same march

[dense wind]

they're the same

[vital loom]

meta army is bob rambo katy fr

[onyx basalt]

if 9-1 and 10-0 isnt good enough

so be it rofl

[dense wind]

Both perfomances are tested the same regardless stats

Like i said earlier

[slow pagoda]

Hero trials are scam 😭

[onyx basalt]

basically

[slow pagoda]

He don't want to understand

[onyx basalt]

im believing in 2 gender and u believe in 1000 gender

we have to agree to disagree

to me, tutorial is the best way to compare

to u, real battles

so be it

[dense wind]

It is the same ×2

Because we're talking

well

whatever

[onyx basalt]

and when u show stats, its 3x difference

that speaks for itself

[slow pagoda]

How it's 3x difference first 🤣

[dense wind]

2k% HP/ATK vs 4k% HP/ATK is alone a ×4 more effectiveness difference

×2 more resistance

and ×2 more damage

2 × 2 = 4

[onyx basalt]

i literally

just typed down ur stat

and assumed a diff in def

0.33 = 3x difference

favored to B

thats a wall ur hitting

[dense wind]

Yeah but we're not talking about end power of march

[onyx basalt]

what im saying is

if ur fighting a stat difference of 3x

[dense wind]

We're talking of the individual perfomance of each hero

[onyx basalt]

u wont "detect" a 20% difference in march power

it just wont work

[dense wind]

And how much each hero could perform agaisnt another one

[onyx basalt]

if u use tutorial

20% march power difference

= 10-0 win for new hero

anyways

as i said

[dense wind]

For example

[onyx basalt]

1000 gender vs 2 gender

we fundamentally believe or not believe in tutorial

[slow pagoda]

Leave it ...he believes in topwar much 🤣

[dense wind]

Bassel + Bellevue + Nimitz is roughly 40 times weaker than Layla + Jester + Meowzilla

[onyx basalt]

tutorial has bee to me

[dense wind]

If you have more stats than army

[onyx basalt]

super accurate at detecting good marches

and i believe in it

more than even my maths

[dense wind]

The bassel bellevue nimitz march is gonna die whatsoever

[onyx basalt]

so yeh

[slow pagoda]

Bro initially people checked and layla won on more occasion but later it got changed 🤣

[dense wind]

Meanwhile Layla Jester and Meowzilla will destroy army

[onyx basalt]

look

no one is saying jester wont destroy army

im saying tutorial is the place to test

[dense wind]

Hence why i'm saying it doesn't matters

[onyx basalt]

and not real life

=.=

it matters cuz

[dense wind]

Both hero trial and real battles count the same to compare the perfomance of each hero

[onyx basalt]

as i said

[wraith cliff]

Tbey playing a diff game now

[onyx basalt]

we agree to disagree

[dense wind]

Although on real battles you need to hit the same player obviously

[onyx basalt]

lol

[dense wind]

If you hit someone with different stats each time then obviously the comparison isn't going to work

[onyx basalt]

tell that to every whale abusing abad-tigress and u cant break that wall

[dense wind]

But agaisnt the same player it does

[onyx basalt]

thats exactly why u tutorial these

fyi, suppression off, abad-tigress is about x1.5 stronger than army

quille nelle

[fringe bough]

Game is very laggy and outright CRASHED once

[onyx basalt]

hence the favourate wall

[dense wind]

Mm about that i'm not sure

Maybe if the whole enemy march is on flames then Abad has a probability to do better

But Nelle + Quilly damage wise is quite big

Although i've just noticed something

On hero trial the extra magnet damage from Nelle isn't working on Quilly magnets, i'd need to test more just to know

But it does on it's own magnets

[burnt horizon]

Sometimes it lags
But today the screen freezes completely and it doesn't work again even if i wait until i log out and open again

[fringe bough]

That reminds me of the issue last week when checking TCLC's central building or gathering reports.

[burnt horizon]

Lagging seems the new TW normal

The game is completely broken for me today just opened now and it freezes again
Can't move the screen or click anything

[slow pagoda]

They need to adjust proc rate of ada

[sage patio]

I see this talking about how to test heroes, and I do see what Miku wants to say, but I'm not sure if he realize that something is odd with Hero trial as it is now. 😦

I just get too strange results.

In theory, just testing heroes and nothing else is a good idea. But, if the test works in strange way, then something is wrong with testing method. 😦 So, I too prefer to try to attack a bit stronger opponent with one march setup, and then with the other, to see which setup works better.

[onyx basalt]

btw

english name for miku?

[crisp lynx]

[low egret]

ada wong

[amber turtle]

Ada

Why she cant even beat layla lol

[vital loom]

if anyone wants a TCL team DM me or apply looking for a decently strong player.

Squad ID: 18510

[trim cipher]

@crisp lynx

[ancient ice]

is that a scheme to re-sell certain heroes ?

[crisp lynx]

[lusty warren]

Baby moved to 770!!!

[trim cipher]

[lusty warren]

@gilded glade !!

[crisp lynx]

How r u moon

[trim cipher]

Tired.. you?

[wraith cliff]

@vital loom

Lot of troops in his base for his marches to be out

[crisp lynx]

Im sad

[vital loom]

he has like 4k units

thats not really alot for him

maybe 4.5k

[bright knot]

👀

[vital loom]

so yeah I'm guessing he had his mains out

[trim cipher]

Why?

Oh. Crying?

[wraith cliff]

Still doesn't see right to me but I don't know his march size

[vital loom]

when I was watching the svs vid he was sending all his mains and second marches out at the same time

[vital loom]

378 I think

[wraith cliff]

To have 2300 troops out at once is a lot

[vital loom]

all his marches are above 350 march size

even his 3rd marches

[wraith cliff]

Thats about 7 full marches

[dense wind]

That's around 6 marches out

[vital loom]

yeah thats how many he was sending out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aSd8vrfij4&t=1530s

[wraith cliff]

It would make sense considering there was no HTs

[vital loom]

yeah jake is strong but not strong enough to go through all of sagas mains in 1 hit

not even istanbul or amtk could do that I think

[old gate]

#🤣│topwar-memes message

[crisp lynx]

Not that much

[trim cipher]

Aha.

[crisp lynx]

[trim cipher]

Who did you upset?

[onyx basalt]

20k 😂

What a fker

[sacred slate]

SAGA played well

[vital loom]

lmaoooo

[vital loom]

yeah I think 3384 will become very strong in 17 days

[onyx basalt]

Finally

I can breathe

[wraith cliff]

Why's this

[bright knot]

nooo mozaaaaaaa 😭😭😭

we will miss you buddy

[vital loom]

thats when they go into total war zone

[wraith cliff]

Ah transfers

[onyx basalt]

Me too 😔... Good luck folks

Bully them all !!

[bright knot]

will try dude :c we will miss you at tcl, thank you for the tc we spent together it was a great fight

[onyx basalt]

Thx for having me with your squad

[bright knot]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[deep sparrow]

anyone elses lab conflict truck fight gonna be one sided? lol

[vital loom]

yup lol

[vital loom]

[vital loom]

what ze fukk is this

42k

[deep sparrow]

biggest whale ive ever seen

[deep sparrow]

visually insane 🤣

[vital loom]

meh easy rewards lol

[deep sparrow]

legit got some random goomba alliance in that server, even if we had to fight the entire server our frog would go flawless 1vall lol

im just wondering how thats even a matchup

[stable blaze]

is there no top up website?

[idle radish]

If we have Duke, do i need to upgrade the navy girl Wong?

[wraith cliff]

Layla replacement but I like her more than duke

[vital loom]

@loud gulch

so close

[wraith cliff]

I'll hit him with my navy for u

[gilded glade]

damn

[gloomy wave]

Do anyone know if we forge a legendary catalysts during the Titan gear event, will it count towards the blessings?

[vital loom]

uhm

big maintenance?

they never announce it like this do they?

[gilded glade]

don't give me hopes that pfp will be back

[vital loom]

well it might actually be that

they rarely do mails like that

[wanton sigil]

Server merge ?

[ornate compass]

[ornate compass]

Your pfp is just fine son

[gilded glade]

[vital loom]

possibly actually

[trim cipher]

I want Mine back.

My Default looks not good

[trim cipher]

Nope nope nope

[gilded glade]

login with browser for that

[trim cipher]

I tried.. but doesnt Work.

[ornate compass]

You are stack with the default? Oof.

[trim cipher]

Mod said it wouldn't work via the browser on the phone.. but... Others have done it there too

[trim cipher]

Yes my main

[ornate compass]

Sorry about that love

[trim cipher]

Is ok.

I guess..

[wanton sigil]

710 for merged

I think many servers will be merged

Before UD

[trim cipher]

UgIy is my middle name 🤣

[ornate compass]

[trim cipher]