📱│game-discussion

[trim cipher]

@crisp lynx

Go to sleep

[wanton sigil]

This is actually good returns.
Not sure how much it gets depreciated in future

[crisp lynx]

heeey youre spying on me

[trim cipher]

Nah

Just looking around

[formal garden]

I think is this blessing effect

[exotic trail]

Where did you get so many Gold cata

[crisp lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/v-a-sly-racoon-gif-1059878024555900171

[orchid copper]

Why still have 2 blessings 🫠

[upper patrol]

What are those i have 14

[orchid copper]

just use it already!

[upper patrol]

How lol

Am using cata but now am out of materials

[trim cipher]

I have 1

[wanton sigil]

Why my game in maintaince? What you all doing

[upper patrol]

Ingame 🙃

[wanton sigil]

Who is responsible

[trim cipher]

I found many Errors

Like Translation

😎

Was announced btw

🤣🤣

[vital loom]

Cmon u have been playing for 4 years and still don’t know Friday is maintenance day

[wanton sigil]

But I was trying to fix my pets. Now I have restart again..
Lost my flow haha 🤣
Nowadays i need sit with a pen 🖊️ n calculator.. for anything in topwar

[orchid copper]

me woke up and maybe choose to bash mods again?

😂

[wanton sigil]

How why would you that

[orchid copper]

jeez I just watched people eating natto

disgusting

[pseudo tulip]

[sacred slate]

😋

[orchid copper]

whaling

[upper patrol]

I got 2 more gold gear but why blessing isn’t taking effect

[trim cipher]

😂 No UD coming

[orchid copper]

"not lucky enough"

[dark cedar]

Why maintainance not yet over

[wanton sigil]

They fixing

[orchid copper]

needa add the patch for stage 3 of area X

[upper patrol]

Isnt it supposed to increase chance by 150%

[orchid copper]

it's topwar

even packs are 6200% off rebate

[upper patrol]

Fck tw blessings 😤

[wanton sigil]

Ask Necy what next

[upper patrol]

Ud or something new

[deep pasture]

CD*

Chinese Domination

[gray remnant]

Another 5k skin with .5% def

[upper patrol]

Nothing changes lol

[sacred slate]

[vital loom]

10%

And 1K, if your lucky 700

[onyx basalt]

notwhat._.
Banned already? 👀

[versed stag]

I think $650 is minimum for this new skin

One question. How much improvement Abad has over Asuka

[fiery plank]

https://tenor.com/view/over9000-dragonball-gif-26144830

[orchid copper]

another duck?

[pallid birch]

why's your name how?

who's when

[sacred slate]

Abad performs way better than Asuka ive tested it before in the hero trial. Its 70:30

[tame pier]

[sacred slate]

I think because Abad provide more HP than Asuka and he hit all row 😌

[tender pendant]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY @pallid birch

[orchid copper]

@sacred slate

that's when

[pallid birch]

happy bday sian

[orchid copper]

instant 80% dmg dec for lilia

[pallid birch]

been a while since i've seen you in game discussion sian lol

[pallid birch]

how

[orchid copper]

because he is when?

[pallid birch]

no like how as in you

[sacred slate]

I think Lilia exclusively for Meow only since Maple didnt exist

[orchid copper]

@onyx basalt the f is maple 🤪

[tender pendant]

Happy Birthday to you

[pallid birch]

@potent nimbus since when you still playing nub jungy

[trim cipher]

@tender pendant

[deep pasture]

@pallid birch happy bday whale

[tender pendant]

Hey hey

[vital loom]

well that was a quick round

[reef peak]

yayyyyy

wait what another one

[icy parcel]

Mod luck

[acoustic verge]

🐐

7x dice

Is this modluck as well?@icy parcel

[icy parcel]

That is 1 player and 1 sub luck 🤣

[acoustic verge]

[austere orbit]

@modest linden

Happy birthday dawg

[onyx basalt]

maple was something which just came, asteroid hit and made her extinct

[undone grotto]

Where is this in

[violet cape]

3 rune / 20 gold titan is a good rate?

[acoustic verge]

@neon latch found new route

[vital loom]

Loot quest

[orchid copper]

I'm so jealous

[burnt horizon]

Yes

It's all luck

[burnt horizon]

Same here

[acoustic verge]

You want to know my strat

[burnt horizon]

You did it with alt right?

[acoustic verge]

Yes but there is more

[fiery plank]

[radiant hill]

Nice

[versed stag]

Why can't I get such rewards once

[burnt horizon]

Are we able to create alt in the new servers that just entered warzone

[burnt horizon]

Because she is playing with her alt all dice for her

The only way to do this without alt if you did it with a friend he join without cards
But it's time consuming and not worth it

[acoustic verge]

You don't have "the Strat"

[burnt horizon]

You will have to do 10 rounds so you both can get max rewards that's in case you didn't get caught
If you did it with a friend

[orchid copper]

what kind of strat? 👀

[jovial isle]

I found 32 looters in s3260.

[orchid copper]

you use desktop?

I mean, searching it via phone is hell work

[jovial isle]

yup 👍

[acoustic verge]

Dms

[wanton sigil]

How finding looters is an achievement now 😅😂
Scrolling screens

[sick grail]

even on desktop i cant find this many

on 30" moniter

[wanton sigil]

3 is daily limit to hit
So maybe he helped 10 of his friends.. saving time for them

[orchid copper]

sometimes you need it

I used to be the screen scroller at phone but I noticed that I need to be lazy

so everytime looters came to my server, I just casually ignores it. too much work

[orchid copper]

on desktop is fairly easy but yeah it will never beat multiple screeners

[onyx basalt]

sad

[wanton sigil]

Yup 👍

[onyx basalt]

sad

ive been playing around iwth the 20x daily practice

asuka lost to babi

all the old heroes now obsolete rofl

all classes now

new hero = best hero gg

i blame T-mi

[orchid copper]

mikuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[burnt horizon]

Or it's the game way to make you buy the newest hero

[onyx basalt]

for making top war realise

that latest hero should be overpowered

[burnt horizon]

I don't trust this test

[onyx basalt]

T_T

u can easily audit it

with maths

~_~

[sacred slate]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-sharingan-itachi-gif-19778211

bro locks in

[burnt horizon]

There's no math the system will make the new hero win . But you never in perfect environment. You don't have same number of units. You playing with formation HT different HT chips
Go back to arena and ignore the rest

[onyx basalt]

thats not the point tho

u wanna compare heroes ina perfect environment

thats what hypothesis testing is all about

=.=

without this, we will all still be using horses to move around

cuz cars are terrible vehicles when its not working

anyways. now that devs has tools to make perfectly power creeped heroes

[orchid copper]

horses also terrible vechicles when they died

[onyx basalt]

latest hero = best hero is coming

for all unit type

[misty scarab]

Akatora and maximo not being best heroes feels weird 💀

[onyx basalt]

those were obsolete long ago tho

rofl

except for 3 unit marches (discount march)

[sacred slate]

Imma wait for Akatora 2.0 😌

[misty scarab]

I haven't played since those times

[wanton sigil]

9 boxes 🎁

[burnt horizon]

The point is in the minute the game add a hero in the the best set he will always win the test
Sure older heroes will lose
But it won't be in the percentage this hero trail shows
If you follow this hero trial you will have to upgrade every hero to ex7

[orchid copper]

akatora evolved to meowzilla

now we cannot use meowzilla cos we all know that hero is a test hero

meowzilla 2.0 gonna be crazy shiet

[sacred slate]

Meow is the real product from prev mistake hero

[acoustic verge]

@orchid copper maid call mastah goat

[acoustic verge]

I want akaGOATora

[onyx basalt]

navy has too many mistakes

anyways

[acoustic verge]

[onyx basalt]

my opinion is as follows

just go army for mass unit

and air if u want free vals

all unit type is pretty much balanced

so the side-benefits are more important

air = free vals

army = 1000 tanks

navy = gg no re

[sacred slate]

Army = Fav child
Air = First child
Navy = Middle child

[onyx basalt]

btw if u set suppression to 0

[burnt horizon]

My opinion as follow this hero trial is a way to trick new players mostly because then they will upgrade every hero
Looking for the next best combination
Yes new hero will be slightly better but don't fall in the trap of upgrading every hero
Or maybe I'm the problem and i don't trust these developers at all even when they did a good thing maybe

[onyx basalt]

btw

u can actually test

the power difference

[burnt horizon]

Wait the reset the new hero will always win

It happened when they add marv

They will switch it later

[onyx basalt]

this may be abit crude

[burnt horizon]

I had reports duke winning then reset came and marv was always winning

[onyx basalt]

by 4992%/4117% = x1.2 power difference

corresponds to about

winner winning with 30%-40% hp left

averaging 20 battles

with this basis, u can audit final score (excel)

with actual tests

[sacred slate]

magnetic field combo is just too broken 💀, ive tried in hero trial that the magnetic field combo keep on winning againts Po & Snake combo

[opal vessel]

What proc rate they gonna modify with the hero that doesn't have proc rate. Dont use the same thing for everything, nothing will be correct.

[burnt horizon]

I'm not talking about changing the hero
I'm talking about the trial

[onyx basalt]

it sounds broken

but it always loses against air/navy march now

u can test it

[sacred slate]

Ive already test it againts the strongest AF meta, it still rocks tho 👀

but for Navy, yes it lost mid diff

[onyx basalt]

turn suppression off

for the pure march power

set all supp to 0

[sacred slate]

real fight will use supp miku

[onyx basalt]

i know

but if ur comparing

the rate of demolishment

of army beating up air vs the air beating up the navy

u want supp off

its also important because

[sacred slate]

hmm... so it'll show the best march in the game? 👀

[onyx basalt]

yeap

[burnt horizon]

I deleted all the reports at that time but duke was winning half of the time in the beginning .
Then reset came and duke lost every battle against marv
I didn't try it after the first time they release it for test with marv .it made me more confused and couldn't understand the change at that time
Anyway maybe they fix it this time
Although It's not really known they fix things after first release

[onyx basalt]

it also means

if ur a whale

u wanna be air for pure power

since ur march naturally is stronger vs the best army march

so the army needs suppression, sheninagans to make up the difference

but its harder cuz of the natural base power differences

[sacred slate]

have you tried all the meta march Miku? 👀

without supp

[onyx basalt]

not enuf tries

i only did army vs army and army vs air

~_~

oh wait

i can turn on another acc

rofl

gime as ex

[sacred slate]

It should've 10x times to see clear pict

[onyx basalt]

this is my setting btw

ex5, supp off, 3k/3k stats, 250 dmginc, 300dmgdec

i will only adjust if battles are ❤️ turns

< 3 turns

i prefer 4-5

[sacred slate]

5 atk and 5 def

[onyx basalt]

45%,60%

yeap

very one sided

[sacred slate]

I think 10 attempt is the best for each

10 atk & 10 def

[onyx basalt]

anyways just to share

excel theroy says they are about as strong

which means that abad actually deals full damage more often than you think

[sacred slate]

hmm... why not storm shadow miku?

he have those ignition tho 👀

[onyx basalt]

i want the tests to be equal for now

~_~

dook vs dook

[sacred slate]

and most importantly his a pure indes Air

[onyx basalt]

too much complexity

if i change the 3rd hero

rofl

anyways

i used to think abad deals an average 6 stack of damage

but based on tests, 8 is more appropriate

[sacred slate]

Abad hit all rows and consume all ignition effect its like quilnelle in 1 hero

plus his HP enhancement pretty high

[onyx basalt]

yeah thats easy

to model

the hard part is

as enemy units number reduces

abad deals less and less damage

its expecially bad when its HT vs HT endgame

which is why i put a modifier x 6/9

which means throughout the battle, abad deals an average 6 stack of damage

but in realit,y i think units have 9 stacks for longer

so 8 is more appropriate

[sacred slate]

hmm... but we cant use HT everytime tho?

[onyx basalt]

nono

even if its normal units

number of units falls as battle gets longer

and abad deals less damage

since its a "hit all" attack type

[orchid copper]

wtf is that battle report cd is 5 mins

[orchid copper]

you and I, go duel at time clash

[sacred slate]

Im not Top 50 in my server

[orchid copper]

[sacred slate]

for real his a whale 🤣

It just doesnt make sense 😂

I dealt 60.9% dmg meanwhile he deals 39.1% dmg and i still lost

O.1%

[spiral patrol]

Hi

[sacred slate]

Hi dubu

[orchid copper]

it just simply means he is whale enough to tank all of those emotional damage 🐳

[trim cipher]

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[sacred slate]

0.1%!!!!

[spiral patrol]

@orchid copper Is that you

[orchid copper]

that's my fifth account

[sacred slate]

you slacking droney 800% is F2P

[spiral patrol]

It is drenex

[orchid copper]

make it 6969% then

[onyx basalt]

btw

[spiral patrol]

REAL

[onyx basalt]

tests reset daily?

[orchid copper]

"maybe"

[sacred slate]

[spiral patrol]

He has 140%Def

[sacred slate]

wow 140%?!

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-boobs-punch-gif-16167265

[onyx basalt]

anyways guys

my first test is as follows

1. gypsy attacker vs po defender

dook-asuka-gypsy vs dook-asuka-po

mathematical power difference = 7.5%

[misty scarab]

What time was day reset

[onyx basalt]

durex

7.5% power difference and gypsy attack

lose with average of 21% hp

alsomore importantly

it means its super super easy to test even small power difference like gypsy vs po

because its pretty obvious the outcome

[spiral patrol]

[sick grail]

1hr 30mins

[misty scarab]

Ok

[onyx basalt]

btwm just now i went into ded server that i know

so i just afk loot quest

and finally got remoulds this week T_T

ok guys

i just spent 20 battles

of equal march

the difference average is literally 1.2

ie: attacker will win, but only an average of 1.2 hp remaining

which is basically means

attacker/defender difference is negligible

that being said

since ur testing a new march

i suggest putting new march as the DEFENDER

since ur going to spend new $$$ for the new hero

so it better be at least offset the defensive/offensive difference

[shadow glen]

Oh Miku back

[floral crow]

Yea

It

Seems

That

Way

[burnt horizon]

Don't annoy miku
Where do i find a list of surviving servers after last transfers ?

[umbral cape]

I would suggest starting in #💪│join-us and you’re invited to check out my server 1496

[burnt horizon]

Join us is alot of headache
I just wanted a list with numbers thank you anyway

[umbral cape]

Are you looking for a top 10 list?

[high harbor]

Yeah join us is just the same few servers spamming non stop with no mods doing anything about it 👀

[umbral cape]

Should be a week cooldown between each post

No need to spam your server more than once a week 😂😂

[high harbor]

Different accounts spamming for the same server 👀

[umbral cape]

Not much you could do but delete them one by one and no mod is gonna sit in that chat doing that

[onyx basalt]

wait

u can chat now?

ingame?

[burnt horizon]

No I'm just looking for servers that survived the last fall
Since many already over
I want to see who's actually still active with 2 alliances at least
Not another one waiting to die
Might end up jumping somewhere random later to waste my last tickets

[umbral cape]

Might be able to make a bot to detect the same message and delete same post?

[onyx basalt]

oops

tot this was hearthhstone

btw

can everyone help me?

[umbral cape]

Whatcha got?

[onyx basalt]

do asuka-gypsy-duke vs asuka-gypsy-duke and share me the average hp outcome

i did it 40 times

and im not satisfied

[burnt horizon]

What chat ?

[onyx basalt]

it seems defender is winning

=.=

sry sarah

i tot this was hearthstone server rofl

[umbral cape]

I’ll do it now only got like 16 tries

[onyx basalt]

yeah

share all 16 just the hp is good

attacker win positive, defender win negative

example is

10, -16, 20, -30, 50

i need mass data

for even more consistency

[umbral cape]

I mean lots of servers have 2 alliances, I would recommend you find a server that tracks svs ranks, or follow global leaderboards to see which servers seem more active, could do the leg work and message individual server leaders also to ask them how they are looking

[onyx basalt]

my setting is ex5, suppresion 0, 3k/3k/ 200/300, 100/300

[umbral cape]

That look good?

[onyx basalt]

いぇあｐ

yeap

[burnt horizon]

My point in 2 alliance if it will die
it have enough players to survive month or two
Many servers with 2 alliances actually only waiting to move
So they aren't surviving
They are just waiting to die
Anyway this is too much headache currently i will check later

[onyx basalt]

thanks man

[umbral cape]

You doing all tanks or treating with encirclement?

[onyx basalt]

all tank

[umbral cape]

I’m not sure anyone has a list with every server and alliance count growing/decreasing, lots of data to track and with no automatic way of tracking it hard to incentive anyone to track it

[burnt horizon]

I understand that
Thank you anyway

[safe heart]

all tank

Thank

[umbral cape]

26, 17, -21, 11, -26, 16, 39, -35, -24, 30, -48, 8, -7, -33, 10

[onyx basalt]

thanks

[umbral cape]

Anytime

[onyx basalt]

okay this is the starting power

starting point

basically 0% power difference = almost 0 remaining hp diff

7.5% power diff (gypsy5 vs po5) = about 12%-13.7% remaining hp diff

so the hard part is

what hero combo gives about 15% power diff rofl

po-asuka vs mega-asuka is about 37% power diff

po-asuka vs po-gypsy is about 21% power diff

dang. mega isnt a choice

[onyx basalt]

Okay anyone have free trialr uns?

can u do po-empty-empty vs asuka-empty-empty 20 times

[loud gulch]

I have 18

[onyx basalt]

share results in this form: 26, 17, -21, 11, -26, 16, 39, -35, -24, 30, -48, 8, -7, -33, 10

[loud gulch]

what stats

[onyx basalt]

if po win positive, if asuka wins negative

ex5, supp 0, all planes

3k/3k, 450/300, 100/300

average battle length should become 40-60 ish

[loud gulch]

like this?

[onyx basalt]

yeaps!

thanks

already did 200 tests today. all my subs are at 0

hopefulyl tommorow reset

i do think, my methodology is reliable enuf such that

we dont need excel anymore

we just need thousands of tests

rofl

[loud gulch]

32, 38, -33, 24, -27, -35, -37, 19, -9, -42, -45, 48, -47, -12, -62, -51, 17, -22

18 tests^

[onyx basalt]

whut. asuka wins?

[loud gulch]

yeah haha

[onyx basalt]

gg rip

[loud gulch]

6 wins PO, 12 wins asuka

[onyx basalt]

it should be po favored

urgh

[onyx basalt]

got it

nah more sample size is good

ill keep it

[loud gulch]

ofc

[onyx basalt]

urgh

it may mean

12% power difference = too diffuclt to observe

po is theoratically 12% stronger mathematically

anyone can repeat this test?

[high umbra]

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[unreal slate]

That’s low

170% or under all units is f2p now

[spiral patrol]

But march size 365 no buff lol

[unreal slate]

That’s pretty decent

[high umbra]

Commander, a new round of Hunger Games will start in 10 minutes, get ready! #👊🏻│hunger-games-arena

Hurry up warriors！ Click :thumbsup: and join the game in #👊🏻│hunger-games-arena

[sage patio]

I think it doesn't work correctly, at least not at the moment, but I'm interested in your testings, what will you find about testing tool

[onyx basalt]

gg guys

i just realised

[unreal slate]

Gg miku

[onyx basalt]

the test tool assumes all eq off

that means

instead of a natural 33% shield (which reduces the value of shield hero)

u start with 0%

this has a huge impact on asuka

it makes asuka much better than actual

[unreal slate]

Asuka is garbage bro

What u talking about

She’s replaced in every meta

[onyx basalt]

thats not the point

im building a table

power diff - replay final hp table

basically

this

excel power difference 12% = how much hp difference average

[unreal slate]

You need to test

Atk vs dmg inc

[onyx basalt]

no need

that i already know

the exact maths behind it

basically

just use statproduct

when choosing between atk or dmginc

just do statproduct on ur stat

it also works on any stat btw

u can even compare hp vs def

just do ((existing def+ additional def))/(existing def+1) VS ((existing hp + additional hp+1)/(existing hp)+1

do whichever higher

[crisp lynx]

[onyx basalt]

dang altho the data is super random

in the end of the day when u got no equipment

asuka solow = po solo

so excel seems accurate

at predicting even the stupidity of this hero tutorial rofl

no wonder @loud gulch got that data

[teal summit]

Woo hoo 🙌🙌 free tw funds

[grand tide]

Hey dweeb! Long time no see!

[radiant hill]

[trim cipher]

@crisp lynx

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-gif-5753424366867641841

[crisp lynx]

yaaay

https://tenor.com/view/v-a-sly-racoon-gif-20903377

[spiral patrol]

@onyx basalt ||in here tigress ||

[crisp lynx]

Ana

[radiant hill]

[crisp lynx]

thats is all burning, i didnt repair still

[radiant hill]

a perroooo

[crisp lynx]

[crisp lynx]

🤭 necesito terapia de ira igual

[umbral cape]

This is criminal 😭

[radiant hill]

naaa

[onyx basalt]

[deep pasture]

Insane channel

[radiant hill]

[umbral cape]

We have a qna channel?

[deep pasture]

since 2023

[crisp lynx]

Si tu lo dices debe ser verdad

[onyx basalt]

[deep pasture]

Ayo

[onyx basalt]

[trim cipher]

Same for me

[umbral cape]

The mods have a qna channel? 😂😂

Seems backwards

[deep pasture]

this also good

[radiant hill]

always

[radiant hill]

omg i need that

[umbral cape]

This is gold

[deep pasture]

AYo

Clipped

And reported

@onyx basalt

[radiant hill]

lol sucio

[crisp lynx]

😂

[umbral cape]

Missed it send it back coward

[onyx basalt]

[umbral cape]

Fair enough

[radiant hill]

😂

[loud gulch]

whats up

[orchid copper]

Useless mods role in there

[crisp lynx]

[orchid copper]

[umbral cape]

I’m clearly in the wrong discord servers

[deep pasture]

Wanna see worse?

[onyx basalt]

You hate it whenever it's two flights back to back at the same gate 😞

@onyx basalt i saw that

[onyx basalt]

yeah lol I saw those

[deep pasture]

You have the plugin too?

[orchid copper]

It's down already? 🤪

[onyx basalt]

ye

[onyx basalt]

[deep pasture]

Created and never used

[onyx basalt]

Give them two days to fix it

[spiral patrol]

@onyx basalt are you real, baby?

[onyx basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-15512287650458333097

[spiral patrol]

In chat Alliance duel

[onyx basalt]

I'm who

[umbral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-innovative-stuff-lady-decade-pretty-progressive-things-new-stuff-gif-26194430

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-simba-lion-king-cartoon-throw-gif-17710053

[spiral patrol]

[modest linden]

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[onyx basalt]

ye the one yapping there is me

[orchid copper]

And I'm how

[onyx basalt]

[orchid copper]

English is so easy

Bring W to the back then you get how

Bring W to the front then you get who

[spiral patrol]

Nothing

[onyx basalt]

Most annoying gif

[modest linden]

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-24535569

WHY GIF BROKEN

😭

[modest linden]

https://tenor.com/view/why-uganda-are-you-gay-you-gif-12775398

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-endangered-funny-fables-ba-baby-waiting-day-gif-24103835

[modest linden]

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-serious-funny-funny-face-gif-14131117

[crisp lynx]

finally

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-16610728335665831769

[onyx basalt]

okay

7%-13% pwr difference

u get 60% win rate

and 12% ish avg remaining hp (altho the range is like -40 to 60)

26% pwr difference

86% winrate

lol these twins

[wanton sigil]

She is just lucky 😌 to have good friends

[arctic bobcat]

he is his own friend

[quiet bone]

Who is the real Anco among them 😂

[arctic bobcat]

real ancorlon is gone

[onyx basalt]

none

[quiet bone]

That explains why he doesn't talk in this server

[arctic bobcat]

lol

[quiet bone]

How is Alliance Duel for y'all..
So it's gonna be permanent and we have to live with it?

[arctic bobcat]

havent lost one yet

[quiet bone]

Not about losing but the game forcing people to do stuff

[onyx basalt]

His allowance is 0

[arctic bobcat]

i only do minimum or the decor day i dont do anything

[onyx basalt]

damn whale

[outer oyster]

Is top war going to remove indestructible heroes ? Or make them obsolete

[quiet bone]

Why

[arctic bobcat]

small fish

[quiet bone]

Yeah small fish doing decor day

[outer oyster]

I saw battle reports on zhen/jester/Layla vs Lilia/jester/meowzilla and the second one

Win

9/10

[onyx basalt]

ok

as rule of thumb

[onyx basalt]

he does 4m points on decor days

[quiet bone]

Here comes Miku

[onyx basalt]

60% winrate avg winhp 12%, ur talking about 7.5%-13% power diff

80% winrate avg hp 34%, ur talking about 26%-35% power diff

anything above this

is a bad test

cuz stats are too far

[outer oyster]

Who’s that

[onyx basalt]

like if u make a test where power diff is 50% or 100%

its very likely one sidedly win

so u dont know if its 50% or 100%

so keeping tests to 50%-80% win rate is recommended

[arctic bobcat]

mikus intelligence purges every braincell in my head

[quiet bone]

You are not alone 😂

[outer oyster]

My is not braining reading allat

Wait I forget word

See

[arctic bobcat]

i feel inferior not understanding anything

[outer oyster]

Brain is not braining

[onyx basalt]

well

its easy

go to tutorial

test ur fav march. in my case i did

dook-snake-po vs dook-quille nelle

quill won 100% of the time, with avg hp of 48%

this means

[arctic bobcat]

dook

[quiet bone]

Duke

[onyx basalt]

snake-po is literally at least 40%-100% weaker

ie

garb hero

[outer oyster]

yes and I did Layla/zhen/jester vs Lilia/jester/meow and Lilia 90% winrate for lilia

[onyx basalt]

you are

[outer oyster]

so is indestructible that strong ?

im confused

[onyx basalt]

layla vs lilia?

lilia won?

wtf

[quiet bone]

@onyx basalt should people test this with HT, Titan Gear and all stuff?
Is the test not good enough?

[outer oyster]

🤷‍♂️

[onyx basalt]

thats the dumbest sheet ever

lemme try

=.=

[outer oyster]

maybe I did something bad

but it said she won

[quiet bone]

Share screenshots if you have

[onyx basalt]

u guys have hero tutorial

just do it

[quiet bone]

The results Mato is talking about is from Hero Trial

[onyx basalt]

unfortunately

i dont know navy heroes rofl

in vivid

i just skip all of em

i only know... 914

[outer oyster]

Yes

No HT and runes

[outer oyster]

Wtf is that

[arctic bobcat]

miku likes

[quiet bone]

🤣

[loud gulch]

BATH

[quiet bone]

That's a Hero?

[outer oyster]

why my topwar is not like that lol

[quiet bone]

Wow

[loud gulch]

Put girl in pot

Very yummy

[quiet bone]

😂😂😂

[dull spade]

Does anyone know if I can refund this😂

[quiet bone]

[onyx basalt]

you stole my food

[arctic bobcat]

[dull spade]

https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-15512287650458333097

[loud gulch]

Ask support maybe they say oh no dear

[quiet bone]

Ouchi

[arctic bobcat]

someone got him before me

[onyx basalt]

it was you

[orchid copper]

[arctic bobcat]

im innocent

[slow pagoda]

This is called burning

[arctic bobcat]

[outer oyster]

Makes no sense

[onyx basalt]

btw

i dont know man

things not makin sense

[outer oyster]

It’s exc 5

Btw

[orchid copper]

It just means layla is outdated af

[onyx basalt]

btw

[orchid copper]

Her indes stats are just too low for new heroes standard

[onyx basalt]

tutorial highly highly biassed towards hp hero

so

i suggest do not ever test

with diff amount of hp hero

[outer oyster]

Layla is good for navy tho with exc 5

[onyx basalt]

so if a march has two hp hero

[outer oyster]

Better than duke sometimes

[onyx basalt]

the other march must have two hp hero too

or else its biased

basically

hero tutorial has no shields

hence hp hero is a direct upgrade from 0

[arctic bobcat]

[onyx basalt]

norally

u start with 33% shield

hence a 60% hp up is only 33%-->60%

33%-->93%

which is much lower than 0%--->60%

[onyx basalt]

[outer oyster]

Ok but meow and zhen are the only hp boost heroes

So the fight is fair

isn’t it ?

[onyx basalt]

then i dunno rofl

maybe cuz

one side unaffected by silence

so much

rofl

[outer oyster]

😭

[onyx basalt]

like

[outer oyster]

but isn’t attack advantaged

[onyx basalt]

if u run double atk up hero

ur not weak to silence

maybe i dunno

i really really dont care about navy

[outer oyster]

😒

[onyx basalt]

they can run double atk up double silence

and still get demolished by dated air heroes

like babi brady

[quiet bone]

@lofty karma

[outer oyster]

Yes navy always been the weakest

[onyx basalt]

navy is strong

just that...uh

i dunno

army has 1000 tanks

air has free vals

navy has...

2000 silence hero, crim copies

[outer oyster]

navy has huge boats that’s cooler

[quiet bone]

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-sinking-ship-battleship-gif-21486394

[orchid copper]

Huge boats and sinks like titanic

[quiet bone]

True. Huge

[arctic bobcat]

those dont exist infront of quily

[unreal slate]

No

She boosts dmg inc

If you run double attack

Dmg inc is more desirable

[outer oyster]

but she does both

[onyx basalt]

i did talked earlier

actually air is the most overpowered right now

u can test it urself

if ur a whale, u definitely go air

[arctic bobcat]

...

lol

[onyx basalt]

u can test it urself as i said

set suppresion to 0, put abad-tiger meta vs quilly-nelle

[arctic bobcat]

wish i could say thats true

[onyx basalt]

its one sided demolishment

[arctic bobcat]

dont forget effects

[onyx basalt]

so when u got 1k/1k

[arctic bobcat]

without effects af best

[onyx basalt]

who cares about effect?

whales will always run lv6 dmginc

lv6 dmgdec

over lv2 effect

always

1k/1k > effect

[arctic bobcat]

i never see any whales with dmg now

only effects

[onyx basalt]

uh

just check replays

its all over the place

1k/1k

lv6 dd/di

~_~

[arctic bobcat]

how many defenses here you think use af in top 10

[onyx basalt]

if u got 1k/1k a lot comes from lv6's

go smack them

[arctic bobcat]

i’m a bug

[onyx basalt]

and check where 1k/1k come from

its from lv6 dd/di

[arctic bobcat]

nobody uses dmg anymore

all navy’s use deb vuln

outdated whales use dmg

[onyx basalt]

go smack em and share replay

=.=

btw 400/400 isnt whales

[unreal slate]

Air is the strongest right now

[onyx basalt]

its f2p level now

against 1k/1k

[arctic bobcat]

i cant get to them

[unreal slate]

And debil is the strongest rune currently

[arctic bobcat]

navy*

[unreal slate]

I’ve seen airforce run ignite and debil

It’s crazy strong

[onyx basalt]

over 1k/1k stats?

[arctic bobcat]

7/10 top 10 is navy

[onyx basalt]

i dunno man

~_~

[arctic bobcat]

none of them are 1k

[onyx basalt]

yeah

to get 1k/1k

[arctic bobcat]

they all use effects

[onyx basalt]

u need all lv 6

[unreal slate]

Dmg inc/dec isn’t a huge factor anymore

[onyx basalt]

its huge when its 1k/1k vs 400/400

u literally start 10x weaker

[unreal slate]

Well duh

[onyx basalt]

and there is no way 200% debi can fix this

if u dont run lv6

ur behind by 18 x 40% dd/di?

thats a lot imo

[unreal slate]

18?

You forget other runes too

[onyx basalt]

18 slots right

[unreal slate]

Steel torrent

Indestructible extra round

And it isn’t 18

Gun max is 20%

Armour max is 20%

For di dd

[onyx basalt]

gun/armor probably runs the doubleatk/indes/shield

[unreal slate]

Artillery storm

[onyx basalt]

which is equivalent in pure power (and 6 lvls)

[slate lake]

Hi

[onyx basalt]

i dunno. i dont buy the use of lv2 debi

to fix lv6 40% dd/di difference

[unreal slate]

You should try it

[onyx basalt]

like

15% debi

[unreal slate]

I wish the hero trial had rune setup

[onyx basalt]

if i add 20%

its only 15% x1.2

like

i dont care

[unreal slate]

It doesn’t work like that

Its additive

Not multiplicative

[arctic bobcat]

lvl 2 runes 700% dmg vs 1k

[unreal slate]

And robin running eagle formation

Which is stronger

[arctic bobcat]

outdated heros but still max runes vs not maxed effect runes

[unreal slate]

Than shark

[onyx basalt]

uh

--> is 1k/1k?

[unreal slate]

Make a airforce Miku

[onyx basalt]

nah

XD

ima stick to babi-tiger

ex0 friendly heroes

[unreal slate]

Run debil, impact, flammable and searing

[arctic bobcat]

that’s robin you should know he is 🤣

[unreal slate]

You will see

[arctic bobcat]

full dmg vs full effect navy

[unreal slate]

The power

[onyx basalt]

stats?

also uh

thats navy rekting army

also uh

[arctic bobcat]

700% dmg

[onyx basalt]

-->side has terrble heroes

also uh

--> sied

[arctic bobcat]

still full dmg

no?

full effects better overall

[unreal slate]

Semi effect navy vs airforce

[onyx basalt]

in all honesty. im not even using titnan rofl

lv1 mostly

~_~

[arctic bobcat]

whale

[unreal slate]

Garuda has more di de

[onyx basalt]

altho i got 4 debi runes and 3 searing runes, 2 dd runes

~_~

[arctic bobcat]

miku trolling

[arctic bobcat]

can have searing

[onyx basalt]

i cant get any magnetic

~_~''

[unreal slate]

Get airforce up bro

[onyx basalt]

despite being a quille main

cant

[unreal slate]

Think of it this way miku

[onyx basalt]

my ex5

is only max, selina

rofl

[unreal slate]

L5-L7 ex abad

What’s the description

[arctic bobcat]

navy>army>af

[onyx basalt]

dunno bro

i dont have abad

[arctic bobcat]

with effects

[onyx basalt]

XD

[unreal slate]

30% trigger up

30% flammable

[onyx basalt]

yeah i know that

but last time i checked

[unreal slate]

1 maxed rune is basically his L5->7

[onyx basalt]

flammable formula is stupid bad

[unreal slate]

No it isn’t

[arctic bobcat]

af dookie rn

[onyx basalt]

T-mi probably tested this

gimme a sec

[unreal slate]

Nah dam push

Dampish

Build your airforce like I tell u

[arctic bobcat]

i wait for af to rise again

[unreal slate]

You’ll see a difference

[arctic bobcat]

i got no searing sad life for me

[unreal slate]

Run storm tigress abad

[arctic bobcat]

they so hard to get 😭

[onyx basalt]

=zdkCWYmfKmc

^ video

[unreal slate]

Run debil on storm shadow

[onyx basalt]

actually shows how searing works

basically

[unreal slate]

With impact

[onyx basalt]

if u got 40% flame and got +15% searing it just becomes 40% x1.15

[arctic bobcat]

i seen this might test

[unreal slate]

And run flammable and searing on abad

[onyx basalt]

which is...sad

[arctic bobcat]

[onyx basalt]

so if u got 110% searing

[unreal slate]

Give it a go

[onyx basalt]

its just 40% x 2.10

[unreal slate]

It’s crazy

[onyx basalt]

80% burn

which is nice

but not amazing

since burn is <10% of ur damage output

even if u double it, its a small increase

[arctic bobcat]

i got full db runes i’ll attempt this it’ll take a full week

[onyx basalt]

=zdkCWYmfKmc

watch the vid

the guy points out

[unreal slate]

Yeah run it bro

[onyx basalt]

the exact damage change

and exact formula

[arctic bobcat]

see miku effects op

[onyx basalt]

when u run searing/magnetic dmg up runes

[arctic bobcat]

quily decimated

[unreal slate]

Miku hasn’t tried to optimise his account

He doesn’t care to be strong

lol

[arctic bobcat]

i got beat up 80% by 400%/380% dmg army with FULL magnetize runes

[onyx basalt]

all i know is

air is really really really strong

and if ur a 1k/1k whale