📱│game-discussion

[mystic elm]

the match made in heaven

[onyx basalt]

duke is a guy wtf

not only that

muscle guy

disgusting

US art

[unique granite]

So miku wanna help us art by lvling 5 duke?

[frail plaza]

Yeah vivid got actual GI Joe

[orchid copper]

Super chill means they gonna get married soon?

[unique granite]

Damn what happened

[orchid copper]

[onyx basalt]

i guess.. ill go with uh

[unique granite]

I have no idea

[onyx basalt]

po?

[unique granite]

You have double waifu miku

[orchid copper]

I wonder why 2 girls

[unique granite]

Double the odds

Roulette

[onyx basalt]

aria and teina

[orchid copper]

They cannot fight by themselves?

[onyx basalt]

They are forgetting the cup

[unique granite]

Po fat so needs two girls in vivid

[onyx basalt]

=R and SR heroes

combine

and become SSR

[sleek comet]

Bro please no 😂😂😂

[onyx basalt]

[ancient ice]

fyi

[unique granite]

Waifu eating ramen

[orchid copper]

That's vivid's swimming suit skin

[ancient ice]

well, text so small. what does it read ?
(not legs)

[orchid copper]

Kungfu panda female version

[mystic elm]

65% hp

15% more than crim

[onyx basalt]

wait

new hero details out?

leak?

[orchid copper]

Give leek

[ancient ice]

I eat leeks

[unique granite]

Zheng out

Go check

#👀│game-spoiler

[ancient ice]

leeks with duck in a soup pot

[sleek comet]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-leek-cat-yes-thats-it-gif-12409068

[mystic elm]

yes

[onyx basalt]

WOW

thats the friendliest ex0 ever

ive ever seen

absolute garbage ex5 effect

[orchid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-cute-loli-miku-miku-loli-gif-26180963

[onyx basalt]

😮

[mystic elm]

yeah insta ex0 5*

[unique granite]

And use with who

[onyx basalt]

obvious

[frail plaza]

[unique granite]

You guys 5 star everyone

[onyx basalt]

i know what im gonna do

wanna know?

cream cream2

po

LETS GO

[frail plaza]

It doesn't look a lot stronger

[onyx basalt]

LETS FKIN GO

[unique granite]

Your creaming po?

[mystic elm]

after every regular atk

[onyx basalt]

CREAMPOCREAM

LETS GO

whtas the name of the hero

[unique granite]

2 x vulnerability sounds good

Problem is

Navy hits front row

Duke hits back row

[lofty karma]

Yes

[unique granite]

Gl finding logic

[onyx basalt]

instant ex0

who cares aobut duke

[unique granite]

And i mean your navy unit will shoot eating the vulnerability

[orchid copper]

It's navy asuka with vuln

[unique granite]

So is like shit

[orchid copper]

Minus 2 missiles

[onyx basalt]

cream po cream

cream2 po cream

[unique granite]

Zheng self sabotage

[onyx basalt]

logic 404

thi sis the ultimate ogre gamer combo

double crimson

and po

[unique granite]

Jesus is funny when i think about it

[onyx basalt]

DEAD STUFFS DONT NEED DEBUFF

[orchid copper]

You can't freaking remove indes

[onyx basalt]

bro

[orchid copper]

You'll die

[onyx basalt]

double cream

hp +150%

who cares about indes

[orchid copper]

We had a talk about this before

[onyx basalt]

u got perma indes

[orchid copper]

It doesn't work

[unique granite]

Navy: i hit in a row and apply vulnerability to front row
Heroes who don't proc/hit front row dont get that buffed hit
Next navy: i hit front row and consume vulnerability to hit 15% harder xS

[onyx basalt]

hp +50% and indes

has the same effect as hp +150%

lets go guys

[ancient ice]

Zheng passive wording is exactly like useless rune.

shoot something and 2 of 9 enemy may get 1 turn debuff

[mystic elm]

3 units at ex5

pretty garbo

[orchid copper]

Level 100 more HP theory to kill indes doesn't happened

[onyx basalt]

yea

most garbage

ex5 ever

5 star ex 0 easiest

decision ever

also this hero may have high procrate

99%

[unique granite]

If i am reading well states after navy hitting (unit) not hero rifht

[lofty karma]

We will test that

[unique granite]

They need to change that

It wont sell

[lofty karma]

Nope. It won’t

[unique granite]

Is shit anti logic

[ancient ice]

definitely garbage , compare to Arthur Harris

[unique granite]

Your navy units always hit damn front row

[onyx basalt]

use triangle ship then

random instead of front row

ez

[unique granite]

So next navy unit will hit front row... Again and again

[orchid copper]

Look miku, if this thing works then it's better to use double crimson but not Zhen but maple

[unique granite]

VIOLET returns

Lezgoo violet

[onyx basalt]

dronex

[orchid copper]

Maple at least have LA

[onyx basalt]

cream2 ex0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indes ex0

easiest decision ever

[unique granite]

Cream = crimson?

[orchid copper]

What the heck of diminishing return of HP thickness

[pale reef]

Fox all in

[frail plaza]

Triangle ship is stuck on lv83

[lofty karma]

Cream = ice cream 😂

[onyx basalt]

really?

no tr]iangle ship anymore?

wtf

[orchid copper]

Yeah

[late widget]

Zhen doesn’t look stronger?

Zhen is crimson without heavy armor?

[onyx basalt]

i can do the maths if u guys want

[lofty karma]

It doesn’t

[onyx basalt]

the passive skill = combo with po

[frail plaza]

It already gone eve since lv100 dropped

[onyx basalt]

what

[orchid copper]

Why the heck you think triangle ship still exist?

[onyx basalt]

gg

no triangle ship!?

nerf?

[orchid copper]

[lofty karma]

Yes miku. That would be great

[pale reef]

[onyx basalt]

se

[frail plaza]

The new ultra vals don't have random targeting like triangle ship lol

[pale reef]

[onyx basalt]

sex

gonna brek fast soon

~_~

[orchid copper]

You only have ultra vals

[orchid copper]

What sex

[mystic elm]

the obvious change is 15% more hp but no more 50% HA

dont know which is stronger

[unique granite]

Ok what if zheng is made for whales to replace their crimson, lose their heavy armor and lose more units because no heavy armor huge reapplication and then topwar tells them to whale some more to help the discrepancy?

[orchid copper]

Well, in a whale context. Yes

HA has been dead cos multishot heroes

[silent smelt]

Whale

[orchid copper]

Like layla

Or asuka

Or po 3 missiles

More missiles = HA dying fast

HA dying fast = useless

So in a whale context, Zhen is must have to kick their crimson out

[pale reef]

[mystic elm]

zhen have built in crimson ex5

[orchid copper]

Zhen have bigger HP

No need HA since HA always dies out so fast

[unique granite]

But then air hits better due to less heavy armor pilling up

[orchid copper]

Problem is

[unique granite]

Lets make them use Po Duke Zheng for no HA

[pale reef]

So we all in fox 🦊

[orchid copper]

How big 15% difference is?

[teal wraith]

Po skill hitting vulnerable increase damage to 190%. With ex7 his skill does 260%, if hit vulnerable is it additional 60% to 320%?

[cold aspen]

Miku, T-mi pls test Duke Po Zhen after reset

[lofty karma]

We can do that. Yes

[frail plaza]

Test stromoy Layla Crimson vs stromoy Layla zhen

[pale reef]

[lofty karma]

It’s still possible that zen description has errors. Btw

[exotic trail]

Now we have to see if the hp enchantment Is only for navy or all unit

[lofty karma]

Right away after reset

[silent smelt]

Imma just use 914, seems fine

[exotic trail]

Nah its from china Tw news

[mystic elm]

i think zhen is better than crim

[loud gulch]

All in po excl 7

[onyx basalt]

sec

im gonna x1.05 the hp

[unique granite]

Hey man long time no see

[mystic elm]

50% heavy armor is not that good

[exotic trail]

It can be errore on translate but not on skills

[onyx basalt]

due to CE

[mystic elm]

compare to 15% hp

[exotic trail]

Ayo

Yeah long time

[ancient ice]

15% vulnerable= flatly multiply 1.15 to actual dmg

[hushed hemlock]

感觉海军没加强多少吧，赤红是4发炮弹，zhen是3发

[onyx basalt]

@lofty karma share me crimson actual stats

[exotic trail]

How you doing nec

[fickle verge]

[unique granite]

Ready to pack up and move the base

Ooohhh Jessieee

Hii whaleeee

[mystic elm]

think he meant how good 15% hp enhencement is

[unique granite]

Damn whale 80m+

How have you been

[fickle verge]

Long time no see, only smol fish

[sick grail]

#🌍│language-select

[orchid copper]

Nono, 15% HP shield

[onyx basalt]

okay guys

[lavish violet]

👍🏻🙋‍♂️👍🏻

[fickle verge]

Good but busy, what about you?

[onyx basalt]

assuming activation rate is 37^

37^

37%

this hero is really good

[unique granite]

True i got ressurected for a promising el but ended up being bored and then 851 went separate ways

[exotic trail]

Basically zhen Is Crimson but Better

[wanton sigil]

Very very awesome hero

Must have

Go go

[exotic trail]

Where are you now?

[fickle verge]

I heard that was happening, sorry to hear it

[wanton sigil]

Ignore crimson

[wanton sigil]

Go for zhen

[unique granite]

What tmi said has a point. Devs text isnt the same as their code. I hope navy units dont apply, rather the hero

[onyx basalt]

its crimson with no HA but more hp

[ancient ice]

15% shield . better.

[onyx basalt]

an exact mirror

[mystic elm]

1 part of crimson ex5, zhen got it at 1*

[unique granite]

Still 851. Moving next cycle

[exotic trail]

If hp buff Is Universal definetly yes

[onyx basalt]

no

the damage is NOT universal

so no

dont use zhen like that

[orchid copper]

it's just means it's the end of HA era. We can expect next stromoy also HA-less

[unique granite]

Half my team went 2216, i love Chris too much to join them there so I will spend holidays somewhere else

[onyx basalt]

crimson = skill dmg universal

this hero = only hp universal

[lofty karma]

Either they dont listen to feedback on heroes on alpha phase. Or it’s a text error

[onyx basalt]

eh wiat no

nothing universal

this hero = navy only

[exotic trail]

Yes

[frail plaza]

Zhen is navy only

[onyx basalt]

nono

navy only

=.=

[covert flame]

[wanton sigil]

It's Navy specific

[exotic trail]

I mean

[onyx basalt]

however just like creamson

[orchid copper]

It's navy only

[wanton sigil]

Navy rise again

[fickle verge]

Yes saw that too best of luck with wherever you land

[onyx basalt]

this hero is really good at ex0

[wanton sigil]

Navy go go

[exotic trail]

Its great heroes

Even ex0

[mystic elm]

RED TEAM

last go

[wanton sigil]

#navy Lovers

[lofty karma]

But crimson is stronger

[orchid copper]

NO

STOP

[onyx basalt]

nah

[robust ledge]

It's as if this hero is Crimson but only Navy!

[pale reef]

All in fox 🦊

[covert flame]

Crimson obsoleted it seems

[onyx basalt]

this hero is equal at ex7 to crimson

[wanton sigil]

Blue team

[onyx basalt]

2 extra attacks

[unique granite]

We need to test yeah, is not the first time they mess up.
Their code team is not sync most time with the text description team who makes the texts

[pale reef]

[fickle verge]

Can I ask who Scrotum is?

[wanton sigil]

Buy now

[unique granite]

Ill go to a server full of ramen

[lofty karma]

True

[orchid copper]

Stromoy

[mystic elm]

10x ore chargeup

lets go

[fickle verge]

Sounds good

[wanton sigil]

341

[exotic trail]

This Heroes has more buff on hp and more dmg how crims Is Better?

[fickle verge]

Thanks was a little confused

[orchid copper]

This is how much the rage power of blue team people after cannot donate for days

[covert flame]

1756

[robust ledge]

Why does it read in leak that it's not a universal hero....or is it a TW error

[unique granite]

Guys help tmi and miku test zheng. As soon as we have the result we can help players decide if zheng is good for them

[unique granite]

Bruh

[pale reef]

[exotic trail]

Depends on trigger

[mystic elm]

and this hero have what crim have at ex5 with ex0

[ancient ice]

it's 100% +5 +28 and +15% shield
from 133% >> 148% shield

meaning +11% more hp overall

[exotic trail]

Same trigger than crim

Def stronger

[lofty karma]

It’s just a presumption right now. We need to test him

[exotic trail]

Yes ex 0 friendly

[unique granite]

Is more the passive effect of basic unit hit. Navy is anti logic

[orchid copper]

Again in battlefield HA is already dead cos multishot heroes like asuka or layla who spams and shoot so many times that the HA wore off so fast

[mystic elm]

crim get 1 more trigger at ex5 but zhen have slighly more damage making it negligble.

[unique granite]

Navy hitting front row -> apply vulnerability and next navy hit consumes it

[mystic elm]

even at ex5 vs ex0 zhen doesnt seem to do way worse than you might except.

[exotic trail]

I was thinking to move out Hazel for po now idk if i should move out Crimson for zhen

[lofty karma]

That’s gone be one issue. Yes

[ancient ice]

Zheng is no good imo.

feel like looking at Brunhilde Navy without magnetic pulses

[onyx basalt]

ill be honest

we need to wait till proc rate is out

[orchid copper]

So exchange HA for vuln is ok

[onyx basalt]

my opinion is that

[unique granite]

I am not hyped at all. Just happy I can exclusive Po alone

[onyx basalt]

every normal atk can apply vulnerable

this itself can be broken

because it self activates the main damage

[unique granite]

What's your air?

[lofty karma]

Absolutely

[exotic trail]

Hazel asuka eureka

[onyx basalt]

personally

this is the easiest ex5 to skip

like

[unique granite]

You need ignition to help Asuka between hits

[onyx basalt]

super easy

[mystic elm]

if you dont have crim

zhen is defintely a good hero to grab

[unique granite]

Asuka applies ignition on start of the round right?

[mystic elm]

even with ex0

[lofty karma]

My though also

[onyx basalt]

also

i have cream0

and definitely going cream0 zhen0

[unique granite]

Cream bruh

[onyx basalt]

we dont have enough indes

[covert flame]

And If u have

[exotic trail]

Yes

[orchid copper]

Too bad

[pale reef]

Can use stromoy, crimson, Zhen ?

[unique granite]

Miku if Crimson is Cream who is Pie?

[exotic trail]

But i mean ignition from Hazel Is meh i would rather get trigger

[exotic trail]

Po

[covert flame]

I want to switch crim to zhen

[unique granite]

I use Brady and I have no regrets of investing him

[rain mantle]

we do

[covert flame]

And crim for second march

[rain mantle]

just buy the SE

[exotic trail]

Not sure if investing on Brady now Is good imo

[unique granite]

The decoy effect is really good

[unique granite]

True a while has passed

[exotic trail]

I would rather get po and move later on army

[onyx basalt]

lets gooooooooooooooo

ZHENCRIMPO

[unique granite]

But like they said they would make an air asuka

Leads to believe where Asuka will go

[frail plaza]

Zhen better have really high proc rate or it won't justify upgrading her for me upgrade Po for my army is better improvement for my account

[onyx basalt]

much better than layla7/9

XD

[unique granite]

But also will this new asuka follow current ignition consumption?

[onyx basalt]

holy smokes

[unique granite]

Man they complicate. They could just make abnormal status trigger and appliants

[exotic trail]

My marchese are right now
Hazel asuka eureka
Gipsy crimson and shinji

[mystic elm]

well if you have all sort of debuff SEs zhen is pretty good

[exotic trail]

Not sure if i should upgrade zhen or po

[orchid copper]

Next month which force hero?

[onyx basalt]

paper

i ignore debuff

[exotic trail]

Air or navy

[onyx basalt]

debuff to me is like DOT

u dont count on it

[subtle ferry]

should I make po instead of kotiya?

[exotic trail]

Must be air

[onyx basalt]

its an extra

[pale reef]

PO, Crimson, Zhen for navy ok?

[onyx basalt]

yes

[unique granite]

Yes for me. Kotiya is too outdated

[onyx basalt]

it works

[rain mantle]

wait zhen replaces layla? not crimson?

[hushed hemlock]

There are no navy memes？

[unique granite]

Stromoy would be a different story but Po > Kotiya for sure

[wanton oak]

Hey any leaks?

[rain mantle]

huh lol

[onyx basalt]

nyahahahahahahaha

[pale reef]

If Stromoy, Crimson, Zhen also good?

[onyx basalt]

layla9/9 still good tho

7/9 is bad

[orchid copper]

Well

[wanton sigil]

Strom zhen layla

[orchid copper]

Another reason why miku said indes on navy is not needed because if you check on layla, indes stat from her way too low

So it was like

Kick layla

Get zhen

[onyx basalt]

basically

indes-crim = hp+67% and indes

crim=-zhen = hp+150% and no indes

[hushed hemlock]

I saw memes the other day of people looking forward to the Navy era

[ancient ice]

having faith on "chance" apply 2 enemies randomly ?

probably apply 1-2 times per 9 attack whole round

[onyx basalt]

lafara

i dont count exta damage

from debuff

i count it like "DOT"

its a "bonus"

not a base damage

[exotic trail]

If your main Is navy you can put duke

[onyx basalt]

base damage is 130% x 3

[lofty karma]

True

[onyx basalt]

btw, at 9/9 navy and full exz5,5,5 or 7,7,7, ill go layla-cream or layla-zhen

cream-zhen is for cheapo ex0,0,0

like me

[ancient ice]

vulnerable can amplify Burn dmg.

and most likely amplify burn dmg 1 times.

[onyx basalt]

i know lafara

but i dont count it as "base damage"

every hero now has a bonus

that cant be counted

babi = x1.5 damage against navy

[rain mantle]

hmm

[onyx basalt]

vitality = double the effect in normal centric marches

asuka = DOT and anti-HA

this hero damage bonus on status effect = bonus

vulnerable = ex5 effect

[ancient ice]

130% ?

[lofty karma]

When it comes to crimson + zen …it looks good , but the whole point of Zen is : for players which can’t get crimson anymore

[ancient ice]

ain't that 130% ×3 are active skill

[onyx basalt]

yeah

thats base damage

ie = counted as sumproduct

[sleek comet]

Very true, is similar to the base skin effects sharing the skill cooldown etc

[onyx basalt]

the bonus on debuff is a "extra"

[lofty karma]

Ye viper

[onyx basalt]

and not counted as sumproduct

no viper

u can run both

[late widget]

So if you have Crimson, it’s pointless replacing?

[onyx basalt]

u cant run triple asuka

but u can run zhen-cream

big difference

[wanton sigil]

Need test report first

[onyx basalt]

anyways

[bitter bobcat]

No heavy armor for zhen. Weird

[onyx basalt]

at ex5,5,5 7,7,7 AND full navy = ill stick to layla-cream and layla-zhen

[sleek comet]

But there's little benefit running double HP

[onyx basalt]

at ex0,0,0 and cheap march = ill go zhen-cream-po

[late widget]

I thought Mayple was for people who can’t get crim too

[onyx basalt]

the maths checks out

[unique granite]

Remember when kum came out? People made Selina Maximo Kum?

[pale reef]

If Stromoy, Crimson, Zhen look ok or not ?

[lofty karma]

Zen is very friendly hero as his lvl 5 ain’t that crazy. So I must also test zen + crimson+ offense buffing hero

[robust ledge]

She was a failed attempt

[unique granite]

Maple pretty good vs current air meta no?

[onyx basalt]

^ why maple is needed

[unique granite]

Light armor = counter cranston and stuff?

[late widget]

I think we’re due a navy hero who actually breaks the trio Layla, Strom & Crim

[onyx basalt]

jail scene soon

[bitter bobcat]

Bad vs ignition one

[mystic elm]

no

maple isnt good at all

[unique granite]

Yeah but the cranson kai something?

[bitter bobcat]

Good vs extra regular attacks

But still low dmg

[lavish violet]

Lol

[bitter bobcat]

The splash doesn’t do much

[unique granite]

Air has that barbie style and the dmg skill style

Oh really

[lofty karma]

When you thought Bry was bad ..you missed maple’s chapter entirely

[unique granite]

Why mbb and ali using cranston kai etc

[mystic elm]

crims is good

zhen is good

might be better

[bitter bobcat]

Cause their stats are insane

[mystic elm]

definiely better

[unique granite]

Seeing them using these airs

Oh gotcha

I mean I prefer Asuka air is so funny to see the ignition being consumed

[bitter bobcat]

Mortals rely on trigger dmg. They just beat you with base stats

[unique granite]

So cranston and stuff for a non big whale is bad

[mystic elm]

the REAL question is how good 15% hp enhencement compare to 50% HA

[bitter bobcat]

That’s what I’m curios about

[mystic elm]

if one thing is better than the other that will decide which hero is better

[onyx basalt]

heavy armor is one-off?

[late widget]

how long for you to work out if Crim or Zhen is better with Layla and Strom?

[onyx basalt]

right

[bitter bobcat]

Hp shield is permanent. Ha isn’t

[onyx basalt]

the good thing about zhen is ex0 friendly

[mystic elm]

i have 0 idea

[onyx basalt]

like

no brainer

5 star ex0

[sleek comet]

Have to consider which heros you are pairing them with also, like if your march is currently Stromoy, Crimson, Lalya removing Crimson would impact the damage increase of stromoy to some degree

[mystic elm]

if i knoew i can tell youi which hero is better right now

[onyx basalt]

cream0-zhen0-po0 is a chobo friendly march

No heavy armor 😂

[lofty karma]

Ye. Must main issue , miku, a lot of players can’t get crimson anymore

[onyx basalt]

yea

[mystic elm]

ha armor is a joke like haha

[onyx basalt]

good hero

[mystic elm]

tho

[onyx basalt]

no matter what

[unique granite]

Devs be like hey man everyone has so much def and dmg dec lets just remove it

[onyx basalt]

It's possible to run her / po / Layla? Can you test it?

[wanton oak]

Miku u think zhen +crimson , no indes??

[onyx basalt]

Since she doesn't give armor

[mystic elm]

it gets depleted fast, i doubte the dmg inc of stormey is affected that much

[onyx basalt]

im going for that alf

[lofty karma]

Yes. We will do that also

[trim cipher]

@lofty karma

[onyx basalt]

ex0 friendly

we so rarely get ex0 friendly heroes

[pale reef]

[unique granite]

No indestructible is a meme march

[exotic trail]

The go zhen asuka po😂

[wanton oak]

That will be wild if it works

[unique granite]

You will get wrecked

[onyx basalt]

[onyx basalt]

we forget to add heavy shield (sorry commander)🤣

[mystic elm]

it will definitely not work

[lofty karma]

Wait …my Po ..or your Po …do NOT a think dirty 😂😂😂

[trim cipher]

To late

[lofty karma]

Dear lord. Here we go 😂

[onyx basalt]

They gonna add the shield trust me guys 😂😂

[onyx basalt]

If not no one would play it

[onyx basalt]

btw

[unique granite]

This is what no indestructible did back then

[onyx basalt]

thats lv83 necrown

indes is much weaker now

[unique granite]

Thats year ago

[onyx basalt]

cuz battles are 60 attacks

before = 9

9-->60

when battles are 60 attacks

or 7 turns

5 out of 7 turns no indes

[unique granite]

Miku

Megatron 7 gipsy 7 po 7?

[mystic elm]

you have no idea how tankey indes is

[unique granite]

Ultimate pew pew team

[mystic elm]

compare to no indes

cuz you always see report with indes

[exotic trail]

You reach that amount of turn thanks to indes though

[onyx basalt]

actually

indes = doubling of effective hp

u can mathematically calculate it

hp + 45% means

[onyx basalt]

Nelle is better than mega if you wanna

ur hp x1.3 and then indes gives x2 for two out of 4 turns

hp +150% means

hp x 2+

Navy Users wont let us rest now

so the question is

[wanton oak]

Hp enhance is forever , indes is two rounds

[onyx basalt]

do u want hp x2.6 for two turns out of 4 to 6

or hp x2.2 forever

[late widget]

@drowsy vector

[onyx basalt]

this is not a philosofical question

[onyx basalt]

wasn't it ↓total dmg you getting by % ??

u gotta check ur replays = length of battle

[wanton oak]

More hp means u live longer

[trim cipher]

You started 🤣🤣🤣

[mystic elm]

it works great agais a march you have supression adventage over

[mystic elm]

else you get demolish fast.

[onyx basalt]

this is an example

57 attack replay

battles are super long now

T_T

[mystic elm]

that is 4 round

2 rounds with inde

[onyx basalt]

no

57/9

[mystic elm]

5 ish round

[onyx basalt]

Indestructible works by decreasing total damage you getting hit by %

7

[mystic elm]

41 hit

[verbal girder]

how about stromy zhen and duke?@onyx basalt

[wanton oak]

I know that but I also understand mikus thinking

[onyx basalt]

rounds are dictated by the higher of the two

the lower = lost units

[mystic elm]

i tried 2 hp sheild

when i didnt have inde hero

it didnt work

[onyx basalt]

as i said

it depends on ur replay

if u die in 4 attacks

it wont work

if ur battles are 60

it WILL work

[onyx basalt]

Not really most of them 3 rounds max

[late widget]

@last cradle

[wanton oak]

Most of my battles around 20 so wouldn’t work with me cos I’m a shrimp

[onyx basalt]

More Than 3 means no heros proc

[mystic elm]

assuming 5 rounds that with 2 round inde most of the time

which couldve easily meant you get destroyed in the first 2y round without inde

[covert flame]

So… we’re waiting for tests to see if new hero can replace crimson or no, right?

[mystic elm]

not sure level7 will definitely replace

ex5 so so

[onyx basalt]

correct

[hushed hemlock]

When will my time in the navy come?

[covert flame]

Thanks

[hushed hemlock]

[covert flame]

I still want to make 2nd march so I think it’s worth getting

[onyx basalt]

The problem is she doesn't give heavy armor sooo stromery won't be great with her

They might change it as they did with po

po

[unique granite]

Guys someone knows Bryn?

[onyx basalt]

zhen po guys

[wanton oak]

Po zhen striker

[lofty karma]

@onyx basalt : dm

[wanton oak]

IMO

[onyx basalt]

zhen can generate vulnerable every turn

[onyx basalt]

I was thinking same

[unique granite]

Her passive is army hits apply magnetic

[hushed hemlock]

zhen doesn't look great

[verbal girder]

how about stromy zhen and duke？

[unique granite]

How does she works? Magnetic pulse is applied by army units or her trigger?

Zheng = bryn passive

[onyx basalt]

Every round

stromoy = i dunno

[wanton oak]

It really depends on her proc rate and how often she gives vuln

[onyx basalt]

passively

stromoy users say she is strong

[unique granite]

But like

[onyx basalt]

so my maths likely underestimate stromoy

[unique granite]

The magnetic pulse we see comes from who

[onyx basalt]

rofl

[unique granite]

Tank hit or her proc?

[onyx basalt]

being in the march XD

😂

[unique granite]

Ugh 😂

[covert flame]

Oh…. That’s not good

[onyx basalt]

Po might fit in with her

[wanton oak]

Will be more of a alternative imo , two March navies

Crimson Layla stromoy

[onyx basalt]

And one indestructible hero ( Layla!)

[frail plaza]

im waiting to see if she has much higher proc rate than crimson

[wanton oak]

Zhen po striker

[violet sundial]

anyone know when is the next gacha event ?

[wanton oak]

She’s

Ages *

[unique granite]

No date that I am aware of. Gacha can be leaked a week prior or a few days prior

[frail plaza]

June

at the very least

[onyx basalt]

anyways

my opinion is as follows

zhen is a cheap hero like crim being ex0 friendly

so if ur sub is zhen

*navy

go for ex0

and just smash stuffs like ogre navy

[ancient ice]

[silent badge]

zhen with exlusive 5 or 0?

[onyx basalt]

ex5 only adds vulnerable

and debuff bonus dmg

[unique granite]

I read well? Zheng 0 = hits 3 zheng 5 hits 3 zheng 7 hits 5?

[onyx basalt]

skippable

3,3,5

yea

[frail plaza]

yes

[unique granite]

Lol

[onyx basalt]

cream is 3,4,6

[mystic elm]

does vul from different source counts as different debuf for crim and zhen?

[unique granite]

They don't want our money

[unique granite]

Is by abnornal type not soutce

[frail plaza]

they dont want navy players

[ancient ice]

I believe, vuln override

[unique granite]

Vulnerability + jam + debilitate etc

[mystic elm]

i am told that they stack

[ancient ice]

15% vuln override 40% vuln 🤣🤣🤣

[ancient ice]

hardly oroof nor check

[unique granite]

Effect stacks from different sources but your zheng crimson dmg by passive is by effect type

[mystic elm]

if you go to topwar explaination of vul, it says they stack

[unique granite]

10% for a vulnerable debuff + 10% if debilitate + 10% if jammed for instance

[mystic elm]

i have no idea in what sense

in the game

go to gypsy abd click around

[unique granite]

Effect of debuffs and crimson effect is different talk

[mystic elm]

i havw no acess to game

yeah i know that is why im curious

[late widget]

Do you think they’ll ever make capacity of tanks v navy/planes fair?

[mystic elm]

cuz if they stack they would havw to show up as different stack of vul debuff. which zhen and crim can consider as different

nice

[onyx basalt]

<@&651622161219584000>

Its Ramadan u 🤬🤬

[frail plaza]

different stack of the same type would probably be counted as one

[unique granite]

From crimson and zheng yes

You have all these. For crimson up to 3 effects

[verbal girder]

yes it is only counted once

[orchid copper]

Lmao

[mystic elm]

zhen have limit too?

[unique granite]

So if you have silence, debilitate and vulnerable on a target crimson will hit +60% more. this doesnt count vulnerable buff

Yes they say 3 for zheng

[frail plaza]

not shown anywhere

[unique granite]

Same as crimson

Nvm

[mystic elm]

well zhen doesnt evem get scale

according to this at least

garbo hero confirmed

[orchid copper]

But the rule is

[unique granite]

She gets 10% on 0-4 20% on 5-6 and 40% on 7

[orchid copper]

Newer hero > older hero

[unique granite]

Right?

[frail plaza]

mathematically she does the same total dmg as crimson only

[unique granite]

She gets her dmg scalers static

[frail plaza]

this isw hy im sad

need higher proc rate than crimson

need to wait

[orchid copper]

I'm sad she's not even uni at all

[unique granite]

Crimson needs 3 debuff types to max hit. Zheng needs exc 7 and 1 debuff

Im happy i can skip and go for the fat panda

[mystic elm]

zhen is ok ex0

you get ex5 of crim forngree

[frail plaza]

ill probably go for Po as well

bigger account improvement

i dont have gypsy ex5

[unique granite]

Stromoy crim layla 5 do fine for me

My pleb noob stats unbuffed

Most of 100% def comes from ruby mid chip xD

[onyx basalt]

same

[unique granite]

Heyo pandaaa

[onyx basalt]

hello

[upper patrol]

This red mark is annoying

[reef peak]

@onyx basalt

[onyx basalt]

Youre yet to claim something

[upper patrol]

Everything is claimed

[unique granite]

Whats your navy?

[reef peak]

gipsy + striker + asuka

why do i feel like

Po + Zhen + Gip ?

[unique granite]

You need to keep striker but you can zheng 0 over asuka

Without indestructible you get wrecked

And dont give me miku hp talk

He has a point when you have stats to afford bypass indestructible

[silent badge]

which is better, PO or Zhen both have exclusive 5

[upper patrol]

Po + zhen + duke ?

[unique granite]

Po. Zhen 5 is bad value

[reef peak]

po + zhen + duke is yes yes

[unique granite]

Works but with an issue. Your delibitate from duke always hits back row

[reef peak]

but i mean

po + zhen + gip feel more pew pew pew

[unique granite]

Debuff synergy with duke is bad

[upper patrol]

But need to check how po and zhen work in pair

[unique granite]

Jelly you will get destroyed if you opt Striker out

But test it yourself

[reef peak]

okay

necy said Zhen 0 ?

[upper patrol]

The how about layla for indestructible?

[unique granite]

Po: apply vulnerability
Zhen: apply vulnerability + hits more damage against abnormal targets (vulnerability, debilitate etc)

[unique granite]

Much better as layla hits plenty of targets and apply debilitate. This increases the odds zheng max hit for a debuffed target more

[reef peak]

gipsy priority to attack Vul target

[onyx basalt]

Go support your team, you have lot left

[unique granite]

Zhen 5 is bad. You hit the same 3 hits as 0 exclusive and you only get additional vulnerable target, increases from two to three and is still a chance

[upper patrol]

No its done 15/15

[unique granite]

Yes but if you don't use indestructible you won't be able to keep up with your own tier

Indestructible is what keeps us healthy in march size during the rounds until we lose it's effect

Keep in mind the game never changed the mechanic

Losing march is losing DMG output on that slot

Lack of protecting your march size implies getting wrecked quicker

Whales don't need indestructible against non whales

But we do need for our tier of opponents and bit further

[reef peak]

@onyx basalt miku u read these^

[unique granite]

He is aware of the effect but he knows adding more HP does the same effect

Inflating HP helps you maintain a type of "indestructible"

However against a whale you want to mess their final damage formula hit. Not have HP

HP works great on equal paired levels

Is why I scaled DEF on chips. 100% DEF army and navy

[onyx basalt]

yh I know, you need to dump them all for great team stat in next duel

[unique granite]

To help manage my tier of opponents and bit further

You can test Jelly. You must. Words aren't facts

Game shows you the outcome so test without and with

I personally recommend indestructible from the experience I have

[upper patrol]

All done 🤷‍♂️

[unique granite]

Only hero who bypasses this need is Ben

[upper patrol]

Check i hve 0 bamboo

[unique granite]

But Ben doesn't work well

[upper patrol]

Maybe it’s because of duel

[onyx basalt]

Maybe

[mystic elm]

ben needs his numbers to be 2x of what it currently is to be remotely useful

probably more

2 shield, 80 atk

doesnt seem enough

[upper patrol]

Its about when battling against own tier whales can win against non whales with anything

[mystic elm]

time for topwar to introduce a support hero that enchne pther hero sbility

[unique granite]

I just needed more shield stacks

I remember my old gamble setup

Prey RNG

[mystic elm]

how old is that report

81

[unique granite]

Years

When Springfield was meta

[mystic elm]

11 hits

[onyx basalt]

ぐｙｓ

guys

red or blue

who will win

blue

[unique granite]

I am red so blue will win

[alpine elm]

We need a new hero Ben2.0

[onyx basalt]

scripted match

next red will win

[unique granite]

I miss Ben

[onyx basalt]

and next month they release aka 2.0?

[unique granite]

But I can't troll whales now. Layla crimson wreck the shield

[onyx basalt]

I miss those times...army was so good until aka came

then navy was so good until maximo came

[unique granite]

I used Ben with Maximo

Fuck air back then

[unique granite]

Good old days when each attack was a gamble. Will prey proc or not. That was the question

[onyx basalt]

yeahh

[unique granite]

What is that sin navy second

[onyx basalt]

prey and mei the couple

[wanton sigil]

Navy main reborn 😂

Play with two navy marches

[unique granite]

Garuda your going for Zhen 5?

You need attack buff on navy.

[wanton sigil]

Nah. I am doing airforce

[unique granite]

So exclusive 0?

[wanton sigil]

Yes 💯🥳

[unique granite]

Seems 5 is a waste

0 or 7

Topwar: we don't want your money. Only 7 exclusive money

[slow pagoda]

Panda zhen duke i feel

[unique granite]

Duke is so bad for Zhen

You literally hit back row only

So Zhen needs to hit back row. If not you are losing damage

Layla is key for Zhen due to multi random hit

Duke is good damage but not synergy with Zhen

[upper patrol]

So its po layla and zhen

[slow pagoda]

Zhen same as crimson 🤔

[unique granite]

Yeah Ketan pretty much

[clear shard]

No heavy armour on zhen also worse with stromoy

[unique granite]

Po is great, buff, hit, vulnerable Layla provides the shield and heavy AOE debuff. Zhen is primary damage and vulnerable application

[orchid copper]

next month new bryn or asuka?

[slow pagoda]

It suits gypsy and panda

[unique granite]

HA where

[orchid copper]

HA dead

[unique granite]

That's rivergames statement?

Does role mean what they want to kill?

[orchid copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1206946168098258955/1206946643946119228/image.png?ex=6602c5a7&is=65f050a7&hm=68e2b6da55591467a128f212d8516ccffd0d04c7a883a3ce1b02f9742da9ce43&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=736&height=448

this one is rivergame's

[unique granite]

Ah ok

Saw HA there on role

My bad

[orchid copper]

let's role is my scribble gibberish

since HA is missing then next navy atk buffer is also HA-less

to support Zhen

[unique granite]

Magnetic pulse needs something for mid tier to use it viabily

My friend saved me from building 5-5 Nelle

Magnetic pulse doesn't seem to hit that good on my stats vs Po setup

[unique granite]

They can be shifting the HA meta

But sasanian on navy is good to keep your HT alive due to HA application and chip set

[hushed hemlock]

Do you have a complete version of this list?

[unique granite]

D4 self HA but others with Sasanian work too

[novel phoenix]

How to finish Noble Seal?

[orchid copper]

yeah since HA is no longer exist on Zhen it means the next stromoy should be HA-less and maybe have something to buff up Zhen

like this?

so maybe

the future of DOT

DOT2.0 or no DOT

[unique granite]

Buffing Zhen requires only one abnormal status. Her damage scales by exclusive tier not like crimson that has a passive effect stack

[orchid copper]

magnetic pulse2.0 or no magnetic pulse

[unique granite]

Crimson requires a more complex application to max hit. You need Jam + silence + Vulnerable + debilitate etc (3 of these) on a target.

Zhen just needs exclusive 7

[orchid copper]

it almost feels like topwar trying to simplify back the heroes

back then we used to count so many buffs

especially navy

[unique granite]

Yes removing synergy and builds

[reef peak]

really ?

[unique granite]

For buy me

[reef peak]

zhen is

[unique granite]

Yes for years

[reef peak]

full of synergy

[unique granite]

Where is your synergy

[reef peak]

zhen is full full full synergy

[unique granite]

You need exclusive 5 for 20% and 7 for 20+20%

[reef peak]

debitilation extra damage

and apply vul

[orchid copper]

like navy have serious solid synergy like stromoy crimson layla is literally atk buff+HP+3 stack HA+indes+debi+vuln+silence

[reef peak]

for Po's synergy

[unique granite]

Is a monetized synergy

[orchid copper]

crazy as heck

[unique granite]

Crimson is base effect I think

Yes free

60% from 3 sources of abnormal is free

But 10% Zheng is free. 20% for 5 and 20% for 7

[wanton sigil]

Haha

[unique granite]

Now, Zheng is fairly simpler to pair up

You only need one abnormal

Because she will hit the same against any type of abnormal

[orchid copper]

they made heroes so complex and so much different buffs and debuffs and now they removing it

we are going back to simpler heroes

[unique granite]

They should have merged abnormal status on play making heroes

[wanton oak]

I feel like she doesn’t hit so hard 🤷‍♂️

[unique granite]

She needs exclusive 7 to hit that much

[exotic trail]

Ex 7 zhen Is strong

[wanton oak]

It’s either 7 or 0

[unique granite]

I think so too

[wanton oak]

5 is pointless imo

[unique granite]

Yes 5 pointless

[exotic trail]

For f2p navy main its good thing

[robust cipher]

Leave out exc 7 for zhen, the question is he worth replacing crimson?

[exotic trail]

But not sure if ex 0 Is pairable with crimson ex 5

[slow pagoda]

Is there no limit to increase in skill DMG.. 🤔

[unique granite]

They limit based on the exclusive tier.

She does not work with stacks like crimson

Level 0-4 deals +10% against abnormal

5-6 does 10+20%

7 does 10+20+20%

[forest frigate]

Is zhen good pair with Stromoy?

[wanton oak]

I’ll wait for mikus % stuff

[unique granite]

Crimson 5 hits 4 times. Chance to apply vulnerability

Zhen hits 3

[wanton oak]

Navy unit proc too

[unique granite]

The silence of stromoy counts towards abnormal status so yes, zhen can hit more against units silenced by Stromoy

[wanton oak]

Encirclement fucked

[unique granite]

Yeah she isn't universal

[exotic trail]

Crimson Is 4 hit as ex5 and 3 hit as ex0

[cursive granite]

So it’s literally fucking Po but exclusively for navy

[unique granite]

Yup

I don't really like her

[exotic trail]

This Heroes Is 3 hit ex 0

[unique granite]

I hope I am not missing out

[exotic trail]

Ex 7 Is huge

5 hit

[unique granite]

Yeah but 7.

[exotic trail]

Imo this Heroes Is fir whale on ex7

[forest frigate]

Then what about the silence dmg from shield?

Zhen doesnt provide shield

[unique granite]

Bro flexing stromoy 7

[exotic trail]

Or maybe used for f2p as replacement of other Heroes than crim

[slow pagoda]

Excl 5 🤔 zhen has 3 Target of vulnerability and crimson has 1 target vulnerability
Skill damage goes upto 60% but zhen got no upper limit...
So could be interesting to watch

[unique granite]

Yeah damage multiplier you only have heavy armor of Layla if your using it

And indestructible

[onyx basalt]

guys

red or blue

[unique granite]

I think E100 is a side buff?

[exotic trail]

Red

[unique granite]

Miku

[onyx basalt]

what are the indicators

[unique granite]

E100 droid works for stromoy?

[slow pagoda]

Dev's never keeps wording simple

[exotic trail]

Lets see at reset how he perform

Imo im focusing on po prob

[slow pagoda]

Crimson hit 4 Targets right 🤔

[wanton oak]

Red Miku

[unique granite]

If you have indestructible + heavy armor it counts two. Zhen doesn't have heavy armor but you retain it from Layla

[exotic trail]

Ex 5 crim 4 hit

[slow pagoda]

Yes.

[frail plaza]

Crimson 3,4,6 hits on ex0,5,7 respectively

[slow pagoda]

I think it would be 20% upgrade to crimson.

[frail plaza]

Zhen 3,3,5

But they all have basically same total dmg done

[slow pagoda]

10-20 % between

[unique granite]

What you need to ask yourself is: do I want to invest on a small upgrade when I am using cash/ shards and deplete my stock and then be fucked when they release a must have hero? What will cost me?

[frail plaza]

Zhen will need much higher proc rate than Crimson

[slow pagoda]

I am skipping it ..i will say long live crimson. Until they mess up with navy mechanics and settle at new one

[wanton oak]

IMO , not universal=skip

[unique granite]

Whales and high budgets will build Zhen but I will be honest. With my budget I am skipping her