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Have to get lvl 1 first. Iโm in the same boat. Waiting for svs.
Do you have level 1?
you need level 1. and then you get the level 2.
and then 3 so on.
But its topwar so you never really know. I guess its a fair question.
I will check in few hours when i get 100 shards for lvl 2
Thank you
seems like better investment than titan gears
I have exactly 99 parts for lvl 1. Sadly.
better investment than tw
f2p ftw
I'll be back let me go take care of my business. ๐
they collect our data on what works. but as long as i can have fun i dont really mind i guess about data mining
Team 1 had fun
Good morning ๐ฅ
Just bringing things back to centre โ๏ธ ๐
Welcome to Saudi-Arabia (creek) ๐ช 
That was close
Anyone finished TC? Did you get rewards in the mail?
I didn't participate ๐คญ
Never met 1677โฆ wanna play together ๐ฅบ
you're the green team? im not in team 1 anyway so i have no idea what happened

Yea
How you know I m green?
because i know for sure you arent in 935 nor 1569

we get whale teams everytime
What's your EL match up?
2178, 1951, 2587, 1566, 2580, 1079, 1346, 1677
Strongest?
between us and 2178, i guess
even better
when your last EL opponent joins one of those 7 servers to fight you
๐
Same todayโฆ770,1248,1721๐
We have 1174 which was in our last El match up as well
Very good players
our opponent on the other hand.... lets just say their leader is kinda heavy with the words 
Hahaha best of luck with the negotiations
a warm one
..
I didnโt but I think itโs because I wasnโt online with the match ended.
Here ypu go.
Titan Canyon of server 1172.
I hope you like the video.
Like and subscribe.
Plss watch the video,subscribe and like
๐๐๐๐PLSSS
Delete this
Were you in team B? I think you get rewards after team A finishes
I meant I didnโt get my individual rewards. Alliance rewards work as you mentioned.
Boa tarde
Guys it's ajg I need to recover my account is there any way you guys can look up my account i.d?
AJG
Who
AJG
who?
What?
Guys it's ajg I need to recover my account is there any way you guys can look up my account i.d?
My name is Lam and a right I am! 
Does dmg from new canion base appears in report? It does not seems so for me, I should have 15%smg more than I had in reports
hahaha ๐
Some people have never done a warhammer except at level 1 million ๐ ๐

๐คฃ ๐ฉ
You're supposed to imagine people doing beautiful things with all that is given to us in life, no? 
keeping the decos here will give the stats ?
guyz i need help....how can i change the battle mode? i dont want to dodge the barrels... there was another battle mode... can someone help me?
Its Not possible
You need lvl 1 to Upgrade to lvl 2
Yes
can you help me?
What Battlemode?
i dont want to skip barrels
i want the battle with my actual units and heros on the left
got me?
Not really ๐ซฃ
yes. so which one server gets all the special effects titan gear at good drop rates? And which three get it at bad rate. Until the titan gear is fixed, it's a joke
can you help?
i actually have the first one... should be like the second right?
You trolling us
Whats the top game called
Sometimes you can test gamemodes in Game
Like the one in the first picture
But idk If you Show me Topwar ads, or another Game what comes from rivergame as Well
i really want this mode and i dont know how to get it
You need just lvl Up your Base
What i attack is a darklegion
Just grow
Thank you. So we can move all special event decos there ?
๐ซถ
Ok. Thank you for the response
Now im dumb.. sry ๐ฅฒ
You can move all Decor from all collaborations there
Buff will stay even its in your Things there
@gloomy wave
Patch Notes - 12/15
Dear commander
Please find the update detail as follows:
OPTIMIZATION & BUG FIXES
[New] Titan Reforge Feature: rare/epic Titan gears with special effects, and have a chance to reforge them into a gold special effect Titan gear.
[New] Collaboration Collections page added to the Showcase.
[Optimization] When recommending alliance technology, if the technology is at the bottom of the interface, the panel will automatically scroll to the recommendation.
[Bug Fixed] Resolved the issue of inaccurate guidance for recruitment and gathering types within the Reward Quest.
Thank you for your support! Have fun!
Top War Support Team
They added this in december 15
did m7 buy kens account or did ken xfer?
M7 has Ken's account
<@&667607304300134430>
I guess I'm not allowed to reply to a message about Ken or m7md ๐ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
It wasnโt even anything bad 

Mod probably miss clicked when they deleted the scam message
I didnt tagged your Message ๐
Oh well ๐คทโโ๏ธ
nerds
M7MD has been playing Ken's account for about 6 months and just changed names recently.
In sry ๐
@dense wind you still around?
thought you quit 
I returned to play almost 2 weeks ago 
welcome back 
again 
I spy
Also returned to play but on a new server
you'll be stronger than your other account in a month 
new servers get weirder nd weirder
Might as well delete and restart
Offers wise yes, but we haven't gotten anything new that makes it completely stronger... yet
Gaga
Sorry, I can't get what's happened, something with titan gears and new servers? They are getting all staff for free by Dev's will?
There's a "Loot Quest" event which is an expansion to Radar (Daily Task also) which can give blue and even purple catalysts among other rewards, old server will get that event soon, just need to wait to know when
doesnt matter if ur f2p
the onoly ongoing crazy complain
is if u spent USD100k+ on titan
apparently new server gets more gold/purple
This is like the 7th time I've read this message from you. ๐
Hopefully last time
Just delete tw and be happy
Weewee yy
L
At this point i'm just treating it as a chill game just to semi compete so meh
can I break down comps into lower levels
Nope, you can't
One day after salary I'm p2w, other days f2p 
My thanks, crystal clear now ๐ค
Sure, it shows you will get 22k points of 20k required, so yes
nono you gonna whale, that's how weird new servers are, you mysteriously gonna become a whale
hola dobby
right I was just worried it might not
plus I guess its better to use x2 comps instead of x1
yes i think it is always right to use the *2
especially when you dont have enough mastery researches to advance to the next level
17/16/17 here
once i hit 17/17/17
pushing 20..is so painful
18....rss bonus rofl
19....unit specific hp/atk only
Does the buff apply if you just fill the bar or only after you advance?
yes but the mastery is irrelevant now (along with many other things) - just doesn't move the dial compared with titan gear stats
exactly - just let mastery build up slowly by itself - no need to rush it or buy stuff for mastery - let it collect slowly and unlock as you can
nyaha
but at higher levels, mastery researches are bonkers heavy
like 450
you only get 4-5 per day
getting 450 is too much
Well..
If i get lucky with Lunar Moon event
I may get 2 lvl 5 rare march size skills by next week
So probably you're right

uh
10 per day average
for mastery
sustained for 2-3 years
more specifically 10.4
+5 from svs cards :3
don't get me wrong, everyone should do the mastery stages. I'm just saying it makes no sense to try to rush it - the benefits are too small now and it gets very expensive to rush for little benefit
for me the mastery drop rate in radars is too low plus ran out of svs cards
i do think u should rush 5/5/5 and 10/10/10 over second set
XD
once u hit 10/10/10, u can start second fire10 heart10 set
then go 15/15/15
then second dd and di
im at 14/17/17
I get at least 5 daily from radars only lol
yeah, 5 is my avg
ive gathered too many comps at this point
got like 5-6 level 9s extra with like 300+ level 5s
100+ choice level 5s
dang
If you can have heroes for Air, Tanks and Navy, then get the 3 sets and then recontinue Mastery
Oh
Then yeah, get the 3rd lvl 17 Mastery, but there's no need to rush it, Radar will slowly get it done
there is a big decision to be made tho soon
at 17/17/17
svs cards = 5x mastery ticket daily
OR 1x formation
And having in mind Titan Gear exists, then instead i'd focus on it
yeah, i am working on that but golds too rare lol
Well, by spending you can, and once the Loot Quest event slowly f2p titan will be possible over time
Leaving that behind
one of my friends got a free gold from kartz and he flipped the f out lol
Formation gives good stats, mastery 17+ isn't that good, so i'd use svs cards when you get them for formation items
I gave up when realised Power core math ๐
Power Core 2 per day for free. 300 cubes per one upgrade,
5 stages for each of
three talent
~6 years.
Dont give up, many have already played 4 years.
i just did the maths
lv13>14 assault formation
350 gold formation
33 stats rofl
lv17>20 mastery: 292 days of polka dot (60 svsc/d), 190 stats
lv14>15 formation assault: 300 days of goldform (1 svs/d), 43 stats
I miss our old server 
always doing this 
never a how are you doing or anything, just making me sadge

L @pallid birch
shush face nub ging
Boa
Wow, just what I needed ๐๐
I need more pls
Don't avg 300 per level. It increases
There was math done on it. Can't find it.. said 12 years for f2p

To complete after encirclement
When are the next double up coupons coming?
Hmm TC bol is back
No this is all you need
And 211 years to complete remould f2p way

Just make sure if anyone goes for remould, never go with f2p way
Unless you can live up to 211 years
Btw what's is remould requirements per tier
Will be starting ๐
lv 1 is free, so all in lv1 first
then focus cannon
or just upgrade them equally
they give HP and ATK
BOLLLLLL
Whatโs the current meta for af?
It is. Due to consistency in trigger
Iโve been running Kum, shinji and asuka. Debating on updating to Brad but feel like Kum still good enough
It's fine, that's why people do the thing, which produces small people 
yeah Kum is good enough
keep that march
Hi
Links allowed? YouTube about Kum a lot
That's messed up cycle, BOL only there after svs ๐
While we don't even get svs
it's better than we don't have it
Okay but
Will we get BOL/TC during EL?
i don't know
TC no
i wish to but it shouldn't be
But BOL?
I mean
Level 3 shards hard to get
Needs time
So want to have BOL popped up there
Well, cheap or not. Depends how you wanna push/get burned ๐คฃ
My TC/BOL gem budget is 500 gems
Take it or leave it
BOL rewards are hilariously decent especially for AFK enjoyers
You don't pop up and still get rewards

Exactly, trying carry things with outdated hero-marches lead me to -20k -10k gems last two attempts ๐ฅฒ
Only buy March size decor is best ?
I send 5 k yesterday for tc ๐ญ
Hangar dock capacity also good
f2p = all in capacity
4800 for 2 march, or 560 for +15
easiest decision ever
I took all +15 decors
Only three decors for the garage are left
no?

TC/EL = u cant be emptied
in svs, u got 5 march
170x5 =
means u need two air
that 90 gives you two air march
three army
no?
if ur a mech
u should have 4 out for building buildings
1 in ruin
or 2 riun 3 buildings
leaving only ships in ur base
Miku don't be like Angela
And think all players are ๐ณ
even as a main
i dont leave units in main
all my units is in wfac/ruins
3x ruins/capital 2x in wfac
Yes send all purple heros to runis and wfsf
No I mean no ftp in existence has 5 marches with full SSR heros
is better than 175 x 1 and 100 x 4

for skill distribution
u get 6 less march on ur main
but u gain 5x more march
or 5x10x5 = 250 more units out
-6 +250
same skill cost
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This was a crazy match
Small problem is that almost all of these accounts are going to be 4 years in some months
once they revamp this we perking every march and becoming 100ms
What you need more ? We are getting heros for free is already great ๐
These ftp can't buy packs and ride whales like they are their daddies

i need all heroes 5* i need 15k gold shards okay is that too much to ask for?
u win tc by farming and ur big going to town on cap points it's not rocket science
miku how much points u get though
u efficiency yuckers ๐คฃ
no i mean
getting first + spending 200 gems
does beat getting second + spending 0
but usually u spend 1000+ to get first
bro i spend like 12k easily per tc lol
so usually we lay low, stay in our starting point+ attacking our side ruins+rss
is it ur server has low activity?
if enemy whale come we take it back on attack
20 players
8 players + 12 subs XD
i control 5 rofl
omg
usually cuz
my main-->attack rss
then i use my sub to take the rss and leave it
also more sub = 1000+ slimes held rofl
part of the fun of TC is pavloving the enemy dogs/whales
they come in, u slime em, and eventually they leave u alone

maxkum
babicorn
bradyasuka
kai...whatever
kai is a 2nd babi
g2g
XD
btw u fake server
Be grateful
that's garuda's job not mine


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will the Titan Gear R&D Competition be back?
for the last level we shouldnt rush to upgrade it with money
because all the extra defend formation later will be a wasted
the last level should always be left to let it updrade by itself
we don't know about it but we're hoarding gold catalyst just in case
@austere orbit ayo that's a disgusting pic , deleted

I didn't used any money in formation at all haha ๐คฃ
It's all free collection ๐
Long live f2p โค๏ธ
Do you get all resources back after switching?
if you use switch, the whole class tree will change to CE with the same current progress
You can always convert them to formation manual choice boxes with the boxes you can get in limited time rewards ๐
So not a complete waste
Means
Rubes left topwar ๐ค
๐คฃ๐คฃ
Haider has been here for a while
And must have been working on EL
You also apply for job
But I think rubes has been the most in contact with community
You look more jobless then me too ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Yes need her back asap
Na I can't be slave
Else Bengali magic will happen
Better be a slave then die poor
I don't do any job. ..kind of jobless for job
Welcome ๐ living on dad money is best ๐
Not i am slave nor I am poor ๐คฃ..
She's still here lol. Both games are from the same company and she worked for other 2nd games before too
This is why all Dev's are confused.
They dream think of some other game n build in topwar
Release absurd random stuff
How so when sheโs still a topwar dev?

Don't listen to him 
Myami clarified they work on multiple games simultaneously

Angela 2.0
So whichever works
Lol
Garuda 1.0
So you people.. missed the whole ... point ..
But it's fun ๐ I love the game and you're all sticking up here . Is still nice. Someone to burn and get burn will be fun
Good to see people who imagined something bad was happening and left ..
They are losing on the long investment in game ๐ฏ
It's best for us to stick here and play โถ๏ธ
EL will be so much fun ๐๐๐

Now I am rank 1 player of 3037
And will be unbeatable by the time reach in 4000+ ๐
Till then TW has implemented several new stuff so that you will be beaten by lvl10 accounts

When TA2 of S3422 ?

Haha I think that is a joke even Top War devs wouldn't do. Bringing back the competition before the titan gear issues are fixed and everyone is confident that each player is treated equally. Also as every week passes, it gets a bigger job to unwind and correct the titan gear so that it is all in good position for going forward. Repeating the competition before it is all fixed would be just another layer to unwind
is there any actual evidence that the drop rate on new sever are higher than old sever for titan gears?
i have seen people talk about oh new sever vip11 full gear full special effect blah blah. That is not really an evidence.
Evidence
Who has time to play a game.. then pay developers ..
Then collect evidence to proof ๐งพ pp on discord. lol ๐๐
You live in hypotheses or enjoy the game or uninstall like 1000s others
Rng is bs

Only benifits new player has.. they don't spend on random stuff
They directly spending on Titan gears
N upgrading it
That's why they are just vip 11
With 2500 atk hp
N 400+ DMG+/-
so if they only spend on Titan Gear, they should have better Titan Gear ?
that is gonna be my point but thanks
look, Titan gear is broken, I agree
Like I compare my conversation with
One Whale from 2798 n one from 851
Both did 1000-1200 gold catalyst..
N have similar stats now.
So it's more gold catalyst.. more stats.. more chances.. more money..
Spend
Broken ๐ for everyone.
It's very costly.
it has been like that since maximo era tho no??
new stuffs are always better than old stuffs.
and players always could ignore old stuffs.
New stuff are better.
But Titan gear โ๏ธ is extremely important and very very very great to have in March.
Else you lose for 200% sure.
and you act suprised when it happen agian when it has been like that for since the beginning of the game.
just enjoy the game
or meme
i am personally here for chris and angela meme
old 50M = new 10M ๐๐คฃ๐ฅฒ
Preparation for EL
when is the release of new hero? any spoiler
Developers are busy in new game. Once they free, they will do it
And most of the stuff they so called of "optimizations" are just indirect nerfs so I only see this titan gear revision is an attempt to indirectly nerf it someway or another
Not a good condition to whale on titan gear, needa wait to see if they put new titan gears to replace this upcoming nerf of titan gear
This year will end by the waiting
And next UD will come
Simple fix to avoid old spending more than new
Make it so you require X decor or equipment to create the new equipment
Keep it locked until you meet requirement
You can speed run it, but you still need both old and new - keep it same for everyone
well garuda character development is interesting
Ya over budget ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ but in mid of battles. It's become hard to control ๐คฃ..
garuda used to be pro topwar
@mystic elm
@trim cipher
People getting 40% di stats from Titan gear lmao
Can you do TC +8?
Im joining a Team from a friend ๐ฅฒ
Like with blue SE
Burn them
Yeah wth
This game is seriously unplayable now
Why would ever spend on any other stuff lol?
We are back to 10m days.
Need to grind n build again.
I mean people who spent on titan gears in the furture will also be like, why did I spend on titan gears when i can just spend on x.
Anyone who support this stuff seriously wants to kill this game
I need +1 indestructible SE. MANDATORY
New world ๐
Cycle will continue but new cycle will start next year
New server or broken world ๐คฃ
or spend do what you want.
Wow whatโs that event? ๐
Hope it brings new levels for troops. Lvl80 troops itโs big cap for this game ๐
That edited stuff ๐คฃ
Everyone is back to 10m stage..
Start grinding more..
You are a 100+m don't be scared. Lol ๐คฃ
Check his Titans or smash
So many dreams destroyed for players that are just starting there
<@&667607304300134430>
Someone been naughty

Topwar need more naughty people to survive ๐คฃ
๐
There are plenty 
They need to be alive
They are on my server ๐คฃ

Names include, just Jessie, Jessie and JJ

<@&667607304300134430> should I join?
Yes
Aight bet


We need on all server ๐คฃ


If they speak about rework on gears and bring back this event its really awkward

๐


titan 2.0 is gonna be back
Only to compare Gears and HT in CP ... a full HT will cause 2,3M CP ... a full march with golden gears on each slot (18 gears with golden effect) will cause 1,3M CP ... Is HT really so munch stronger as full march with golden effected gears
When?
CP being Combat Power is a feature โcoming soonโ
I don't know. Something for Titans was coming ruins or something
Refund 5%
Or what
understand ... 2030 or later ?
Here ypu go.
Titan Canyon of server 1172.
I hope you like the video.
Like and subscribe.
Probably later
I will inform my heirs
<@&651622161219584000>

I really need gypsy replacement
weak enemy
Enemy have no HT

when can I graduate from Crimson Rx HT and move on to da latest fatty ๐คง
Holaaa
Already using fatty even tho missing 2 modules 
What a failure, should've whaled titan gear, who need HT?
Still i couldn't burn him
+500/+500/+50/+80 stats diff still bcoz of meta heros
he defended against my attacks
Tho I made him waste gems on repair 

ะัะตะผ ะฟัะธะฒะตั
I don't understand why we can't incorporate the idea of automation into this game when it can elevate the overall gaming experience from the current year zero.
๐ฎ
Secret sauce is ๐ฆ and ๐
duke ????????
you must be kidding miku
yeah
1 day 1 decision ๐
done
fine
what is that march , duke kum barbie ?
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Whale ๐ณ
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Miku is vip
13
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Miku is Air lover... ๐คฃ
Upcomming megadolon. ๐
Hadees was tough... But we still managed to take the win๐
a tip from me miku
wait next hero
their whale jump to you
?
you don't need to dodge
why
yeah
espeically inactive alliances
whales leave = empty buildings
so after slime, we magnet
like 400 points building there
they will be angry 
yeah
i call it pavlov dog
basically
anyone that comes to our side we just feed em slime and magnet
and take their side
1080 points building so juicy 
Not only that
Youโre a low spender with almost 2 vip 16 accounts
If u attack a building with bounty score, it will scatter up into bounty crystals
Then you need to take those crystals
You whale lol
enemy lose pts?
just you don't have wfac with you anymore
slow them down, yeah
We are weaker
most of the time, whale leave = empty buildings
Because nobody at twz range can beat 2216 so it's natural if everyone at twz is joining 2216 since they cannot move to 2798
It was our team B
so you can take all 4 buildings
then jump again if whale go back
go the next target
just do the same like that
I dunno why we only have like 10 people in our team B and we still get whale enemies
2216 better 2216 on the top pls join 100m+
Thanks
๐คฃ
No 100M+ then please go join waitlist till 2025
but hey, you had fun
Even if you wanna join 2798, needa wait for it to join twz lmfao
By then theyโll didband
Or slot got taken by another 100M+ whale again ๐คฃ
2026 join 2216
Lol
Sorry, it's all about priority sometimes
If he need to chose to let a 100M guy who asked to join 5 mins ago, he would rather let that 100M guy in and skip the other guy slot for him

This one is at a joking context anyways 
Facts fr deadas
Karahan seems closer to robin, just need a push with AH
Bro got his priorities straight
new hero is army? 
I wish they play our death squad ๐
that means if a 80m joins, someone from the line up will be kicked out
That someone is ging




Garudaaa
CP is myth
Collecting dead high cp accounts are not worth
Wym lol
Those old high cp accounts are just worthless
no no garuda , 80m is a different story
cant we all make subs in 2216
80m is a completely different story
tbh players like mo would die to a 60 mil if they came back
If u fix em itโll be way cheaper than starting fresh
that easily
Lvl skill 8 matters nothing
I can be a 60m right now ๐
I have seen them crumbling
Hiding cp cause iโm cool
@reef peak You there?
Wish I would do that but then i feel smoll
yeah
Stoop Iโm mysterious
Just unlock 4 perks on purple heroes
i refuse to hit 60 mil
Sad but true
That ticket update scared me a bit
nothing will make me
Auction house ๐
๐ก garuda
who are you running from nub ging
You duh ๐
wuh
Last hero was air so next should navy or army?
heroes not making the monies anymore, no cool heroes
Whale

too bad I don't have 100 mucus
Big problem is my main is 48,5m ... I wanna hit 50 for ego and for tc but then also tickets hit higher
Good morning all.. anyone know the date the servers close for transfer?
Or just go to really dead server where you would be top 10
12
Thank you

see 

anyway goodnight everyone 
All in
Good night shormi tc
Goodnight yy ๐
I badly need Titan stuff
Please
@reef peak this guy can easily burn 65m old players
proof please
whats happening with 835 didn't they planned and trained players to look for there server when bigs left??
Need to work hard ๐ to collect reports. As just watching him burn others
I am just sharing what I get.
If Anyone can create an account on his server. Can ask for battle reports.
garuda
Next is 851 ?
you've been talking about vip 13 new servers can win vip16 old servers with titan gear. titan gears in new server has more chance having special effect than old serves. and all I try to ask is some proof
where they all going??
Doubt if he wanna share lol
Could be Titan Gear spending + Hiding CP
vip16 millionaire beat old vip 3 65M cp = i believe
I don't know.. heard bob left for EL.
vip 12 new server beat vip 16?
no no no
vip 12 server = equal to vip 0 old servers most of the time
I beat Miku's 6th march 
Titan Gear on new servers have better drop rates + Auction House had generated special effects
It's impossible vip 3 to be 65m + lol ๐๐ but yea.
You will understand in next UD only.
Or topstar
So if someone from new servers spent 100k on Titan Gear, they'd become top 1 strongest player of the game ๐
When 3141+ will be beat all below 1000
Living on whales
and another guy
wonder which server devs. will sacrifice next ud
I was #2 on ranking 
Only 500 points below #1๐คง๐ฅน
Playing against dead server or what
Yeah I join smol alliance 
All 4 were dead 4-5 players at best
Tho I burned 2 vip9+ ๐คง
Wait till they send their main out 
Who told you that?
Yes you can ๐คฃ

Just because you haven't seen them doesn't meams they don't exist yet
A players who has started the game right from its lunch without spending can be
Yes vivid star โญ
With perks farms a 5 year old vip 3 account could reach 65m cp
I've seen a 57M cp F2P player
Imagine transfer cost 
Yes 55 is seen ..
Wasn't the new max cost like 42?
But 65 is too much
garuda, youeve been assuming

put a range later
Hold on for TW new system. Before the end of the middle year I'll show you a 65m cp F2P
yeah I saw couple vip 0 50m+
I think they will change everything in CP .
All are miku's subs
miku is crazy , he grinds 8 subs as well
I can't do one 

Yes, I am red team lol
You burned him?
@jovial scroll share 3141 reports

I doubt
my MM has reach cp 50m , just now
I might trade mine atm,
45m cp, $45m. Who's in 
yeah but our main point from the start is
complains about vip 13 new servers > vip 16 old servers
titan gears from new servers has more chance having SE than old servers
that's our main point
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