📱│game-discussion

[dense wind]

Spending what?

[quasi pendant]

anything?

[stray copper]

Hey noobs

Maple any good?

What does she splash exactly?

[frail plaza]

The 2 other units on the column the missile hits

[stray copper]

Light armor is what protects me from dosar? Or no

[native jolt]

Nooo shes cute af so she never dies

[frail plaza]

No

[stray copper]

So damage reduction shield is same as

Maximo and gira

Or like ben shield?

[thick elbow]

Nobody knows I think

[onyx basalt]

light armor works only on normal atk

so a navy/air atk removes three

its reall weak to air

since air will strip of all light armor asap and u got little tools to replenish

[stray copper]

Also its weak to itself because of splash

Damn

Thank god i have lv7 tsuru skill, i can counter this bish

[dense wind]

no

Light Armor works towards regular attacks

[stray copper]

Oh sorry

[dense wind]

Agaisnt tanks it is crazy strong, because they attack only 1 stack

[thick elbow]

So new hero supposed to be Barbie counter?

But Barbie ded

[dense wind]

Yes ans no

and*

Light Armor will work more towards new hero damage

So this leaves Magnet and Burn heroes being strong

Because they aren't counted by both armors

Wait

no

Magnet is towards HA

Burn bypasses both

[thick elbow]

[stray copper]

913 asuka maximo.

[autumn gorge]

Is lorca back? Or someone using his account? So they have plan to merge 591 and 2216?

[outer narwhal]

Just give it time before jumping to conclusions

[autumn gorge]

Okay thank you,, im just asking not concluding

[teal wraith]

Power core or decor chest from event shop? 🤔

[hardy fern]

Group question- how do you get the best results when opening boxes in your inventory? 1 at a time, 5, 10 some other odd number?

[hardy fern]

The more power cores you get now, the fewer organs you have to sell later

[teal wraith]

😂 never plan to buy power cores now and future

[stray copper]

Both obviously

All in

[reef peak]

Ayo guys, have anyone lost your free daily missiles from Counter Attack?

[outer narwhal]

I demand compensation

[thorny spire]

no, but i too demand compensation

[stray copper]

I demand being able to use my beach landing missiles

[reef peak]

🥲

[thorny spire]

@reef peak you lost it?

[reef peak]

No but someone claimed so, I’m asking around anyone else have it as well

[thorny spire]

not that problem

[stray copper]

You just made me notice about that event

Lol

Tysm

[thorny spire]

no server wants to take me

they consider my cp low

😭

[reef peak]

So everything fine?

[stray copper]

How much

[thorny spire]

25.6M

[reef peak]

What sever are u in rn?

[thorny spire]

2504

[stray copper]

S5?

[thorny spire]

yep

[reef peak]

Ur sever is young still

Vip 1 ?

[thorny spire]

0

[thorny spire]

no

[stray copper]

Damn noob zone got some their standards high up

[thorny spire]

320 days

😂

[reef peak]

Take ur time

Vip 0 25mCP is good

[thorny spire]

i cant take more time, i must leave, even though im server leader

[thorny spire]

it is?

[dense wind]

almost 11 months vip 0 25m cp is decent tbh

[stray copper]

Vip0 server leader💪

[thorny spire]

more than an year

thats my second server

[thorny spire]

yes

[dense wind]

Oh you moved up?

[thorny spire]

yes

[stray copper]

How many times did you move up

[thorny spire]

1

now can move 2 more times

just need a server

[stray copper]

You dont wanna fall to champ zone?

[thorny spire]

😭

[thorny spire]

no

[stray copper]

Whens the deadline

[thorny spire]

80 days more

[stray copper]

U got time sir

[amber turtle]

Trying to replace maximo with asuka, but max shinji kum seems to perform as well as asuka shinji kum

So confused

[thorny spire]

no

my server is ded

gotta leave it asap

[dense wind]

Mm problem is that Asuka doesn't replaces Max

Try using Hazel Asuka Max instead

And see perfomance

Hazel gives burn, which would work with Asuka

Max also gives burn

[amber turtle]

Want to check that out but my shinji is all perked and asuka is only 4star

Poor me

[dense wind]

What stats do you have? ATK/HP

[stray copper]

Photoshop your cp

[thorny spire]

asuka brady shingi

[thorny spire]

bruh

[dense wind]

If you have over 1.8k% you can still test Asuka 4*

[thorny spire]

then theyll make me kos once im in the server

@amber turtle use this

[dense wind]

Although, Max and Hazel also are fully perked?

[amber turtle]

1600hp/1900atk 210dmginc/230dmgdec

[stray copper]

Omg that u?

[thorny spire]

works perfectly

[thorny spire]

its mastercard

[stray copper]

[thorny spire]

lol

[dense wind]

Max Brady Asuka imo better

[dense wind]

Mm

Test perfomance on some battles with Max Hazel Asuka

[amber turtle]

I should do that

[thorny spire]

use this

[dense wind]

Asuka could buff both Max and Hazel's burn effects

[dense wind]

Which could work really good

[thorny spire]

works wonders

[thorny spire]

this better

[amber turtle]

Against army, indes is needed

[dense wind]

About that

Why you want to fight army using planes? 🙈

[thorny spire]

yes?

[thorny spire]

lol

🔥

[dense wind]

You should look mostly for navy and air battles

[amber turtle]

One march guy lol

[dense wind]

Not army

[amber turtle]

Poor me

I should transfer and test it out

[thorny spire]

rob a bank

[dense wind]

Meh don't worry, test Asuka + Max + Hazel

Although

Do you have Asuka ex5?

[amber turtle]

Yes

[thorny spire]

dont forget shingi

[amber turtle]

All ex5

[dense wind]

Mm then yes definitely test the march

Burn damage could be really good

[amber turtle]

Need 60 more shard to upgrade her to 5 star

[dense wind]

I mean, Indes is good, but the problem is that level scaling nerfed it down a bit

[thorny spire]

use this

[dense wind]

Because battles are lasting longer, on most cases indes gets taken down mid battle

[thorny spire]

best lineup

[dense wind]

So test on battles Hazel Asuka and Max, compare to your current march and also compare to Hazel Shinji Asuka

[amber turtle]

Lol. Now i want brady

[thorny spire]

u dont have him???

[dense wind]

Btw ^ if you are going to test don't do 1 battle

[amber turtle]

No. I dont like pink hair tom brady

[thorny spire]

[dense wind]

You need to do at least 7 or 8 per march

[dense wind]

🙈

[amber turtle]

If he was brown like tom brady. Maybe i will get him

[dense wind]

But Brady is actually strong

[thorny spire]

yes

yes

[frail plaza]

Brady Need ex5

[thorny spire]

kum and hazel = garbage

[frail plaza]

[dense wind]

Gives way more Atk Enhancement, has the Decoy effect which gives dmg inc

And at ex5 Decoy effect gives burn when activated

Which paired with Asuka is just

wonderful

[amber turtle]

Kum just lasted only 6 months

Sad

[dense wind]

Yeah, but Brady has way more future

Specially due to Asuka and Heroes Equipment

[stray copper]

How did lvl100 change the game dynamic

[thick elbow]

Doubt

[dense wind]

They won't be able to replace the burn effect for now

[stray copper]

What got stronger

[dense wind]

HP/ATK Scaling

Lvl 80 HP - ATK Ratio is 4 - 1

[thick elbow]

Brady2.0 will be here in February

[dense wind]

lvl 100 is 8 - 1

[thick elbow]

[frail plaza]

[stray copper]

So everything’s more tanky?

[dense wind]

So units naturally resist almost twice compared to before

Yup

Which is a buff towards overkilling heroes, hp heroes

And nerf to kamikaze heroes and indes heroes

[stray copper]

So hp skills are better than atk?

[thick elbow]

Technically 101+ is 8:1

[dense wind]

no

You still need to do damage

[thick elbow]

100 only 7.79:1

[dense wind]

This has to do with heroes like HP Enhancement and Indestructible, attributes are something else

[stray copper]

Ok so skills are same as usual

[dense wind]

Yup

[dense wind]

So they made the system based off the +1 merge tech

[thick elbow]

There’s some impacts. For example if max perfectly killed a stack at 80 he now only kills a half stack

[dense wind]

Exactly

[stray copper]

So DEF stat matters twice?

[dense wind]

And that means burn also starts affecting battles properly

no

Heroes Skills

[thick elbow]

Kinda. The biggest impact we will see in weakening towers, attackers with enough hp to survive and possibly punch through

[frail plaza]

It's just more HP

[dense wind]

WAR/DEF just raises up Heroes Skills, but also counts as higher tier attributes

But the only change was in heroes, HP heroes can give more effect compared to Indes heroes, just because HP Shield lasts forever and Indes lasts only for 1, 2 and 3 rounds (with +1 Round of Indes effect)

[stray copper]

So it just helped whales in svs

[craggy quail]

How are people getting more damage in top trial. I’m tied in 3rd place but in 6th cause 3 people have more damage output?

[amber turtle]

Is it okay upload battle report here ?

[dense wind]

More advancement towards beating their rounds

[thick elbow]

People ignored the ratio of attack to hp before the update, but think about it lvl 80 everything was balanced around that ratio

[dense wind]

Aka HP left

[craggy quail]

So we all on 107. So same round

[dense wind]

Yeah of course

[dense wind]

Talking about hp left of enemy's on that round 🙈

[craggy quail]

And my damage stats are higher than theirs if compared in warzone

[dense wind]

You could have left it at 80%

Others at 55%, so their damage would be higher

Trigger Rate is the answer to that ^

You need to try multiple times

Miku got special effect

🐳

[stray copper]

[craggy quail]

Mmm out wb component for earlier rounds?

[dense wind]

No, pvp

Top Trial uses pvp comps

[craggy quail]

I’m at 399% damage inc so i know my dmg is higher

[dense wind]

So without pvp you just going to die

[onyx basalt]

" just" more hp

lol

its a huge change

[dense wind]

Just try attacking multiple times

[onyx basalt]

non eureka indes hero nerfed, all navy hero nerfed

max buffed

hp heroes slightly better

[dense wind]

Till you get lucky battles in terms of triggers

Then you'll do more damage

[onyx basalt]

short term heroes significantly nerfed

this new hero? super short term

u lose light armor by the 4th attack, u lose indes by turn 2

enemy outpace ur heavy armor by 4th attack

and ur HT lasts only half a turn

[dense wind]

Light Armor only is weak towards air tho

But agaisnt navy and army

It is kinda strong

Because they cannot hit the whole march

[onyx basalt]

not if u lose units :3

ur hp is lower

50% only

[onyx basalt]

vs, crimson

[dense wind]

Yeah but that isn't going to happen till round 2 or 3

[onyx basalt]

ie: u die faster

its still short term imo

also

when the enemy has less units u lose damage by A LOT

from 500% to 70%

[dense wind]

Okay that looks good, what about Max Hazel and Asuka?

[onyx basalt]

per shot

[dense wind]

But the damage on the start is devastating

Also

[frail plaza]

It literally is just more HP and those HP changed stuffs

[dense wind]

Let's not forget Layla trigger still exists

[dense wind]

And Asuka Max Hazel?

Just to see

[onyx basalt]

it does because

many heroes rely on battles lasting two turns

or having a burst to be goo

[onyx basalt]

brady = relies on two turn burst

now garb

navy heroes rely on having either killing fast and concentrating debuff/HA

now its spread out longer

[dense wind]

Mm would have been better to attack the same target 🙈

[amber turtle]

Feels like it depends one proc on HT

[onyx basalt]

stromoy/new hero rely on indes/ha/la to get increased damage

[dense wind]

But on this case, compare the regular attack - hero damage ratio

[amber turtle]

First and thrid are same opp

[dense wind]

Max Asuka Hazel had a better ratio than the rest

[amber turtle]

This and last one

True.

It just cant take the dmg

[frail plaza]

If you used to clear wave 25 exactly 9 hits, now it's 27 hits

[amber turtle]

That combo has low hp

Due to perk issue

[thick elbow]

They need to update wz levels

[dense wind]

Actually a lot more

ID levels are different

They go past lvl 103

So their system is settled as the normal one pre NW

They get +16% ATK and +16% HP per level on average

While on NW it is around 9.7% more HP and 5.1% more ATK on average

Per level

[amber turtle]

Gonna become glass canon. Decided lol

[dense wind]

ID just became a nightmare

[amber turtle]

Im gonna lose to any strong guy anyway lol

[dense wind]

And tbh that combo isn't that glass cannon at all

As you can see, battles lasted till round 5

Shinji indes went down at round 3

[frail plaza]

Yes it is

[dense wind]

So overall, you had more defense with both Hazel and Asuka, due to their permanent hp buff

[amber turtle]

I think in order to utilize the hp shield

[dense wind]

Put Asuka on last

[amber turtle]

You gotta have nearly same hp as their attak

[onyx basalt]

actually its not hp itself becomes better

[dense wind]

To let both Max and Hazel burn damage take effect

[onyx basalt]

hp just becomes slightly better versus indes

[thick elbow]

Yes ID is overtuned

[dense wind]

And then Asuka triggers activating them all

[dense wind]

I'm kinda scared ngl

[onyx basalt]

really?

ID changed?

[thick elbow]

No see the problem is

ID is using original values

[dense wind]

ID level scaling is the normal one, they get +16% HP and +16% ATK per level

[thick elbow]

We get half of that leveling up

[dense wind]

Meanwhile we have gotten less

[onyx basalt]

lol

so low level = better?

XD

f this game

[thick elbow]

Yes

[frail plaza]

Yes

Lv80 ID is easier than lv100 ID

[onyx basalt]

no wonder

[frail plaza]

Literally

[onyx basalt]

my sub is 3 rank

rofl

[dense wind]

In terms of HP, ID is ×4 or × 5 more tanky compared to lvl 80 if you sre at lvl 100

In terms of attack

Well

×10 roughly

[thick elbow]

Now u know why

[dense wind]

So if you were receiving huge damage before

Now you just going to die

🙈

And on top of that add the 5 extra waves

As far as i'm aware no one has gotten perfect score yet

So will take a while for it to happen

And let's not even talk about AD

AD going to be unwinnable for 1 or 2 years at least

[onyx basalt]

nah

6 months

[dense wind]

I'd risk to say 3

[onyx basalt]

new overpowered hero soon

kambing soon

8 turn indes

99% indes

ex9 effects

[dense wind]

take barely did 3% damage towards weakened wave 60

3%

only 3%

[unreal tapir]

Kambing?

[onyx basalt]

just have 33 take

[dense wind]

And that was at lvl 95

At lvl 100 it will be 2%

And the 2.5k units limit doesn't helps at all

[thick elbow]

Expect the normal hero power in 2024 to be asuka level

So everyone’s got 3 effects

And collab heros will have 4 effects

[cloud spear]

[thick elbow]

I can see every hero having either hp/atk, trigger/burn/magnet, and indes/other effect

[hushed pelican]

And I am done with Evangelion! no-more

[dense wind]

A lot more would be needed @thick elbow

[thick elbow]

Actually most likely either trigger/atk, hp or indes, and burn/magnet/other as third effect

[dense wind]

To be able to solo wave 60, we'd need:

7.8k% ATK
1.3K% DMG Inc

Altogether 230k% Base Damage on Round 1

(Current max is Max Gipsy Asuka full Burn/Vuln/Double Attack setup) being able to deal up to 27k% base damage on round 1

We'd need a ×8 times stronger meta

And 2.7k% more atk and 600% more dmg inc

And that isn't going to happen till at least Late 2025

So..

🙈

[frail plaza]

With how fast they release new stuff for more stats

[green zealot]

Anybody know the event that’s in rotation for tomorrow outside of Cupid and deep sea?

[frail plaza]

Probably soon enough

[onyx basalt]

wait

ID= focus on attack or defence?

gypsy-asuka-...shinji or mega

[dense wind]

Gem Consumption

[unreal tapir]

Pop Star + Gem Gift event will be interesting

[burnt terrace]

Does power drill start tomorrow too? I can’t remember the cycle

[dense wind]

no

Next week

[unreal tapir]

Power drill is ongoing, unless you're referring to another power drill:

[dense wind]

Tomorrow is:

Gem Gift
Cupid
Deep Sea
Heartthrob
Treasure Spending event

That's it

[dense wind]

10k drill if i am not wrong

[austere sphinx]

When do we get an army Lancaster

[burnt terrace]

Thx ☺️

[dense wind]

Credits to Maymi and her Team

Tomorrow Rotation 4 starts

[burnt terrace]

Saving. THANK YOU for saving my 💩 memory 😅

[hushed pelican]

i wish haha

[unreal tapir]

[dense wind]

You're welcome 😁

[orchid copper]

how to make this?

[hushed pelican]

screenshot, paint lol

[orchid copper]

that's nice

[green zealot]

So what’s the spend money event

[hushed pelican]

thanks. to much spent though, to much

[orchid copper]

treasure the stars

[unreal tapir]

Worth noting that some events are not in the rotation anymore, like the Wheel of Fun, which now happens every Sunday-Tuesday.

[dense wind]

Oh yeah, which is actually good ngl

3 tries per week

A vip 0 with a bit or luck could get a gold bp with more probabilities due to this

[orchid copper]

[unreal tapir]

The Wheel of Fun event would be Monday-Wednesday in where I'm at right now.

[orchid copper]

more tries, more luck

[green zealot]

Ah and point store is the money buy

[shadow glen]

Wanting to replace nemo and Erin, who should be replaced first and with who 🤔

[frail niche]

None, save shards and throw them both away at the same time

[shadow glen]

Nah bruh, one gotta go 😂, well BOTH gotta go

I just can’t decide if strom or layla seeing as new hero don’t seem promising as a layla replacement (can very much bite my tongue)

[dense wind]

The reason of that is because new hero is Crimson replacement

Although

Doesn't Stromoy gives extra dmg inc the more shield reductions the navy march got?

[frail niche]

like i said, save shards and throw both of them away at the same time. Don’t go Layla now, she outdated

the new hero is crim replacement, but I think u could use them both at the same time

[dense wind]

Oh yeah

[hardy pulsar]

Can someone post the link to transfer rules?

[dense wind]

Then this also buffs Maplelyn s bit

[hardy pulsar]

Can't seem to find it :/

[unreal tapir]

Transfer rules?

[dense wind]

But still, like lob said, it's way too risky to invest on Layla @shadow glen

[hardy pulsar]

As in the requirements

[dense wind]

Erin Nemo Crimson still does some work, not compared to meta but still something

So just wait a bit till next navy hero

There are no collab events on the horizon for now, so you'll have time to save shards

[shadow glen]

Imma have too as much as I hate too 🤣.

[unreal tapir]

Basic requirements are these ones:

[shadow glen]

Yea I’m sitting on 800 shards rn with like 100 in Amalia chest

[dense wind]

Although rbh

tbh*

Wouldn't be worried about gold sgards

shards* but rather then ex shards

[unreal tapir]

Then, there are specific requirements that a particular server needs before accepting. The requirements vary per server, depending on what they're looking for.

[shadow glen]

Yea I got enough for 1 5. I was hoping this was the Layla replacement, was going to buy her 5, drop 70-80k gems on her and then upgrade strom with gs and get her 5 with exc

But don’t think that plan will work in my favor now

[dense wind]

About that

[frail plaza]

If I don't upgrade Layla they won't replace her

They hate me

[dense wind]

If you're going to drop gems on lucky treasure for ex

[dense wind]

Better do it in lucky numbers

[onyx basalt]

this shows

new hero maple

damage output by turn

[dense wind]

Better shard ratio and you get universal ex shards

[shadow glen]

Not for ex, for hero shards. I was going to buy the 5 straight out

[dense wind]

Oh but still

Lucky Numbers has sligthly better gems - shard ratio compared to Lucky Treasure

[shadow glen]

Word, I’ll save for lucky numbers then

[dense wind]

Although tomorrow there will be good events to get shards

5.5k Deep Sea

[onyx basalt]

Orange/blue is maple

[dense wind]

24.5k Cupid

[onyx basalt]

Grey is crimson

maple is 5% stronger in first two turns against others, equal to crimson against air

crimson gets stronger the longer the battle

maple damage output goes to near zero

after turn 2

[dense wind]

And get back gems through the bags from Cupid, you'll finish getting between 170 and 200 gold shards (maybe more) for 30k gems

[onyx basalt]

[mikuguide] theoratical damage output of Maple. Assumes equal activation, same hp, other effects equal.

[dense wind]

Would also be good to compare between ex7

[onyx basalt]

i dont have ex7

no comment

:3

but i dont see why it should be different

crimson scales better at ex7

new hero scales to zero

[dense wind]

No one has got it because new hero not even out 🙈

[shadow glen]

Hmmm, this is intriguing

[onyx basalt]

splash = zerorise after turn 2

yeah but we can already look at reports

and look at how many units are at what turn

[dense wind]

About this, ex7 new hero is just scary as fk

Up to 250% splash × 6

[onyx basalt]

yea

but look at the chart

ur splash scales to zero

very quickly

zero x high number = zero

lul

[dense wind]

Yes, but the dmg at ex7 may fix that 🙈

Anyways

[onyx basalt]

also

[dense wind]

We still need to wait for trigger rate

[onyx basalt]

this hero has less hp, no heavy armor

[sick meteor]

It’s a navy hero

Means it’ll be a bust

[onyx basalt]

and doesnt work at all on navy

yeah

ez skip

[dense wind]

Because imagine if it is 50% trigger rate instead of 40%

[onyx basalt]

this hero is also absolute garbage at ex0

:3

50% wont save this hero imo

[dense wind]

Well definitely

[unreal tapir]

[dense wind]

Actually it might do it

[sick meteor]

Crimson triggers all units

New hero navy units only

[dense wind]

50% trigger rate Maple at ex5 = almost 30% more damage compared to Crimson

At ex7 at least 110% more

[onyx basalt]

look at this chart

[dense wind]

Slowly meta is turning back into unit specific marches

[onyx basalt]

ur literally

2% stronger t1

80% weaker t3 onwards

its like indes

u got two turns of "2% stronger than crim"

[dense wind]

Btw

[onyx basalt]

then 10 turns of 80% weaker or bob damage

[dense wind]

That doesn't looks like 2%

[onyx basalt]

blue is very weak

[dense wind]

T1 = 684% Crimson, 716% Maple

[onyx basalt]

2.6%

[dense wind]

Which is around 4.8% difference

[onyx basalt]

i use

675% crimson

new hero 693%

we may use different ce deco levels

so yeah

[dense wind]

The chart shows Maple at 710% roughly tho

Starts above 700 mark

[onyx basalt]

thats vs others

[onyx basalt]

vs air its 693

:3

[dense wind]

Yes

But why the heck you going to attack air

as navy

[onyx basalt]

average of the two.. well

bro

if u use stromoy

u wanna kill air

with navy ehehe

[dense wind]

You going to die

anyways

And always

You also have Asuka dealing damage on air

[frail niche]

Why from t3 and over it’s significantly weaker

[dense wind]

And burn going pew pew too

[frail niche]

I don’t rly get I

[dense wind]

You're just going to die agaisnt air if you use Navy

Independent from Silence

Which btw

Kotiya is a better Max Killer compared to Stromoy

Because Kotiya works towards middle row

Meanwhile Stromoy is random

And may not trigger on middle row

Which would let Max kill everything

[onyx basalt]

@frail niche

because if u watch replays

battle stiuation changes

ur splash hits less units, and then ur # of shields reduce

at t3, u lose indes, ha, HT

and only temporarily get LA

at halfway, ur LA also depletes

immediately

also, if enemy got front row and you dont, ur LA is zerorise

[dense wind]

Wait

But LA is kinda huge

Air would destroy it almost immediately

[onyx basalt]

yea

[dense wind]

So difference between air and army must be massive

[onyx basalt]

every other unit type = 0.67

[dense wind]

Not 25%

[onyx basalt]

cuz ur front row = lose imediately

as remaining stacks fall

u maintain also falls

[dense wind]

Air due to how fast LA gets taken down should be counted at least 50%

[onyx basalt]

from 0.67 (row 2,3) to 0.3 (row 3 only) to 0

[dense wind]

Although navy only loses front row

[onyx basalt]

no

[dense wind]

And army barely will destroy it

[onyx basalt]

monte carlo = turn 1 u only get half LA

after turn 1

u lose LA faster than you get second row attack

[runic night]

When is Ultra dominators coming up?

[onyx basalt]

which is funny

thats why against air, LA is only 0.5 t1

0.1 t2 onwards

[dense wind]

Around 3 weeks

[onyx basalt]

against other unit type LA is 0.67 t1 (front row no effect)

0.33 halfway (2 row remaining)

and 0.1 lategame

[runic night]

Oh thank you, does anyone have any info what it is about? I can’t find

[onyx basalt]

i think my point is, there is a huge huge huge difference in damage output

[dense wind]

Miku, sorry to say, but actually it doesn't works like that

[onyx basalt]

crimson gets stronger

as battle goes on

this hero goes to garbage

[dense wind]

Air would successfully take down al LA at turn 6 - 7

[onyx basalt]

no

single babi = gg

[dense wind]

Navy would only take down front row

[onyx basalt]

YES

thats why i count it as 0.67

[dense wind]

And army would take front row at turn 7

[onyx basalt]

0.67 = 2 thirds

ie

front row ineffective

[dense wind]

But sometimes LA may refill

[onyx basalt]

also btw

[dense wind]

So i'd put agaisnt roughly a 0.75

[onyx basalt]

all ur arguments is just

[dense wind]

Then agaisnt army 0.83

minimum

[onyx basalt]

to add plus minus 5% to the final number imo

which in the grand sceme of schemes

cant bridge the gap between 200% and 800% (crimson)

200% + 5%? yea sure

u can get an extra here and there

ur still behind 800%

[dense wind]

Which in maths it still must be counted

Even if it is 5%

[onyx basalt]

crimson lategame = closer to 900%

ive been conservative on this

u get waay more debuffs as crimson goes into lategame

[dense wind]

Although

Anyways we need to wait for release

Devs have released heroes like Prime with 50% trigger rate

And they could do it again for this one

40% trigger rate is safe

But 50% may be probable

Otherwise it wouldn't explain why a new meta hero would barely do a perfomance difference compared to last one

About that ^ Bryn was replaced by a new hero

[onyx basalt]

bryn is dead

:3

so this hero dead

u cant beat kolab hero with normal heroes

[dense wind]

But still her difference compared to Polik was decent to justify new meta

[onyx basalt]

nexst kolab will kill most heroes we know it and this happens most of the time

[dense wind]

Now here comes the other problem 🙈

[onyx basalt]

eureka killed shinji/layla. crim killed all hp navy. asuka killed everything and gypsy killed everything

[dense wind]

All pending collab heroes ended

Transformers

Evangelion

Pacific Rim

The rest collabs released only decor heroes

There is nothing left on horizon

So actually we cannot tell nor confirm anything yet

Because we aren't getting another special collab event soon

Unless devs of a sudden announces a new collab

Which due to work with UD, Top Star system they're going to be busy

So welp

[onyx basalt]

that beinbg said

the biggest problem of this hero 1) less hp and weaker kit versus crimson 2) damage falls by 80% after T3 3) needs stromoy/LA AND layla AND HT1, 4) its not all unit 5) garbage at ex0 (like absolutely garbage) 6) garbage vs boss

compare this to crimson

all-unit dmg, all unit boss, ex0 is OK, good standalone,

wins vs asuka

this hero is a long list of red flags

and people still buy it like they go in marriage with the girl at the bar

[dense wind]

Actually

This might be the first hero that requires ex7 only to be good

[onyx basalt]

no

polik is absolute garbage at ex3,5

[dense wind]

Bryn at least got heroes equipment

[onyx basalt]

like absolutely.

hp +40% and 600% damage per turn

basically rei but handicapped

[dense wind]

Polik at ex5 gets +40% missile damage tho

ex7 gives the invuln effect

And +1 trigger

And that's it

[onyx basalt]

that invul is huge

because whales use one row army

to kill stuffs

[dense wind]

Only 1 hit tho

[languid oxide]

I am using aka(lvl4) , gypsy(lvl5) , shinji(lvl5) exclusive on navy waiting on replacing aka thought to replace with new hero.. Looking at the conversation above I need to wait for next navy hero again

[onyx basalt]

no

invul = 1 turn

:3

its disgusting

[dense wind]

Invuln is not turn

It is hits

[onyx basalt]

it dissapears after a turn

definitely not hit

[dense wind]

Otherwise Ben shield would be extremely broken

It disappears with hit

[onyx basalt]

go find ex7 polik abusers

[dense wind]

Polik invuln = HT invuln at low HP = Ben's Shield at offense

Well

[onyx basalt]

this is why i dont evaluate ex7

u gotta use it

[dense wind]

We aren't talking about Polik Ben Gipsy kamikaze marches

[onyx basalt]

and everyone fighting how an ex7 they dont own work

[dense wind]

I think i've heard this same message from somewhere else...

[shadow glen]

I like too watch all these and just understand absolutely nothing

[onyx basalt]

i did summarise

new hero bad vs crimson

especially at ex0

[thick elbow]

Skip and go next

[onyx basalt]

if this new hero is 50% activation, the problem is still the ramp down at T3, AND you need indes/heavy armor/HT1 for this to work

[dense wind]

btw

You can obtain all of that with Stromoy and Layla

[onyx basalt]

and HT1

and yeah, likely stromoy-layla-new hero

this hero can only replace crimson or else u lose too much

BUT

layla is already weak vs eureka

and stromoy...i hate stromoy

i prefer gypsy

heck i prefer eureka-gypsy-crimson/asuka over the navy specific marches.

[dense wind]

The problem about these navy specific marches is that they get all the buffs at the same time

Which makes them strong

But yet at the same time they barely are strong

This is so weird

[pale reef]

[austere orbit]

[pale reef]

🆓

[obsidian rain]

Everytime a new hero comes out, people say it sucks. Then every time a week later, it's in the meta and everyone is using it lol

[frail plaza]

It's always a bit better than previous one

[onyx basalt]

guys

last time we can..uh do PD

is 2 hours before reset?

or 2 hours before boss?

also, do u start green tower AFTER wave 19

or when the wave 19 timer STARTS

@thick elbow heyy

do u start green tower when wave 19/get wave 19 mail replay, OR when wave 19 is next counter starts?

[grim marten]

Ok

[unreal stream]

Why are lvl 101 ships pink? What is TW trying to imply about the navy?

Why do lvl 103 tanks look like a penis on wheels?

[daring dove]

Gay

[worldly heron]

[unreal tapir]

Anyone who knows the size of AOE of Urgent Cares (lv 1 to lv 5)?

[heavy needle]

Lmao

[steady narwhal]

Who is better on AF on EX-5 LvL. Azuka or Max

[pallid birch]

everyone arguing over new hero knowing full well that they'll all 5* it

[frail plaza]

It's navy, of course only good at ex7

[unreal tapir]

Thank you!

[heavy needle]

I really don't understand the point of a hero replacing Crimson and that too so bad of a hero

Switching to army soon, fuck navy

[pallid birch]

if it's worse then it's not a replacement it's a ded on arrival

[heavy needle]

Exactly

Layla replacement was the most needed

[shadow glen]

[heavy needle]

It's such a bad strategy to try replacing collaboration heroes, they are the bed rock for majority marches. Greed can really turn you into a moron.

[onyx basalt]

layla is already replaced

we already got eureka

only reason to use layla is cuz either u sunk ex7

or u playing multi march

AHHHH

OK, ex5 5 star ez

[orchid copper]

but miku

you said she sucks

[heavy needle]

Yes but you need him in army / air

[orchid copper]

when is the next collab?

if tw not gonna have other collabs then gg collab heroes

[onyx basalt]

“Warning signs of unionization”according to my management crash course
—wanting a living wage
—having any grievance
—when you stop being friends with someone
—when you make new friends
—avoiding the boss before they ask you to work unpaid overtime

[orchid copper]

[onyx basalt]

i like my job

oops wrong chan

[orchid copper]

copied

[onyx basalt]

maple new hero damage through time

plus minus 10% due to temporary gains of LA,HA,HT

[orchid copper]

how you get data already?

[onyx basalt]

no

i just read how the skill works

watch an existing replay and count how many stacks remaining, and how it affects splash and splash factor

then make a chart

[orchid copper]

I would just say this hero is limited to solely countering barbie AF marches

dunno how this hero can do to bully current army tho

[onyx basalt]

how does it counter babi. babi can now run asuka-babi and rip both LA/HA/HT

ur left with indes

which lasts only 2 turns

[orchid copper]

asuka - babi have no indes then?

glass cannon

[scenic bronze]

Can you calculate with ex7

[onyx basalt]

i dunno

i dont have ex7

but what ido know is, ex7-->buffs splash-->hence temporary

ur splash damage falls to 1) splash factor, ie u got less shields and 2) less enemy units so u splash air

crimson damage increases lategame

due to enemy has less units hence more debuffs

[orchid copper]

also splash damage is subject to indes and HA

[dense wind]

Ex7 increases missiles +1

[orchid copper]

basically crimson's HA easily makes splash damage tickles

but if she spams so much then HA may also begone too fast

[worldly heron]

Btw dronex it was an ex7 and it was as you said I had just watched the replay really stoned for pain reduction so I was out of it I apologise

[onyx basalt]

i know

basically ex7 buffs the missile and splash

the problem is the trend of maple

where ur damage falls off after indes off

crimson gets 2 extra shots

4-->6

this hero gets 2-->3 and splash

[orchid copper]

what's this? o.o

ex7 asuka?

ex7 crimson?

ex7 new hero?

I mean, usually ex7 means you transforming a normie hero into a new different hero

[worldly heron]

The ex7 Barbie thing

When two columns just banished because HT triggered it

[orchid copper]

ah ex7 barbie

but HT trigger are dangerous tho

I won't say new hero is total garbage

she is there to hold back barbie

[scenic bronze]

How big is the difference between ex5 Layla and ex5 shinji? Loosing indestructible on encirclement stacks sucks

[orchid copper]

which is kinda limited usage....... most heroes are still skill based

[onyx basalt]

im tempted

to ex5 asuka now

=.=''

[unique granite]

New meta is moving quitting whales accounts to a new server

[onyx basalt]

Buy L7, still lose to decent AF, beat most army. 2000 dollars for the same.

[heavy needle]

Is it that good?

[orchid copper]

meta is buy whale acc and collect them all

it's like collecting infinity stones

[unique granite]

Man word says Miouchu took lorca to 2216 without lorca knowing

GL to 2216 if Lorca didnt agree

[orchid copper]

well, why 2216?

[covert flame]

Tf

[unique granite]

Is Miouchu server

I hope Lorca finds out, comes back and destroys 2216

[orchid copper]

so this miouchu guy have access to lorca?

[unique granite]

Such disrespect

Well to have moved it yeah

Just like nvm acc was used vs 851 svs

[orchid copper]

download whiteout survival and tell him that his lorca acc flag gonna be changed into random flag

[covert flame]

Another proof of “don’t share your passwords to a suspicious persons” advice is right lel

[unique granite]

Got a few reaching out to him

I got happy for one second that he came back

Then im told is not him

[orchid copper]

well

he can just

disconnect acc

easy solution

[orchid copper]

I mean, if you have access to lorca. there's no way your fingers not going to be itchy to use it

[covert flame]

Yea its all good till Lorca finds u irl

[pale kernel]

If you’re not a 💩 person and have respect your fingers should be fine 😂

[native jolt]

Lmao thats so funny

Whoever took lorca acc so real

He so real

[unique granite]

I would not mess with Lorca

And is a shitty thing to do behind your back

No respect

I hope he levels up and burns them to the ground

[orchid copper]

well, I dunno this miouchu guy is also in the UEA or not

[unique granite]

He is Turkish

[orchid copper]

but if you're not in the same country as lorca, high chance your fingers gonna be so itchy

[unique granite]

I wouldn't trust distance

😂

You don't want to mess with someone like Lorca

He is super cool super respectful and this type of actions are super sad

[orchid copper]

I don't

but this miomio guy does

[unique granite]

Well if he did move without permission

GL to 2216

[covert flame]

one way ticket to an Arctic pls

[unique granite]

I will even join the carnage

Free KE

I want to burn up and burn a few guys too

[analog sable]

Definitely, I'm surprised Chris even allowed it

[chrome stirrup]

would be funny

[unique granite]

Chris just took a 130M in

Because reasons logic

[chrome stirrup]

waste of a transfer spot too

[unique granite]

I won't talk about why he did it. Is up to him

[analog sable]

It's not that he didn't knew Lorca would never want to leave the server

[unique granite]

It was a quick move

[analog sable]

Same for nvm account

[pale kernel]

I really want to know what the thought process was and how anyone thought it would be a good idea

[unique granite]

Man I hope he comes back

I will join

[chrome stirrup]

he leveled it to 81

maybe he thought lorca wouldn’t find out

[native jolt]

For the lols 🔥🔥

[unique granite]

He can level up to 100 so Lorca can log in

[analog sable]

Indeed, lost respect

[unique granite]

Vals 103 here we go

Respect is gone

[chrome stirrup]

hoping lorca quit discord too or something

[unique granite]

And Karma will be a bitch

[analog sable]

100000%

[unique granite]

We already have Lorca being reached out

[orchid copper]

[unique granite]

I want to join 2216 too

[spare oak]

Lorca definitely knows already

[orchid copper]

can I join 2216?

[spare oak]

If nvm came in this chat and said sum

[orchid copper]

I want to provide free popcorn for the whales

[analog sable]

Lorca leveling up to 100, and good bye stable 2216

🤣

1 big rogue on your server

[unique granite]

Imagine someone move Dosar without him know

[orchid copper]

[unique granite]

Guy would be dead in game and in real life

[pale kernel]

Imagine trading ftw for Lorca. I’d feel bad for the 1112 peeps lol

[orchid copper]

famous name

I mean, he is lorca

[unique granite]

I just want to join the fun

Pleaseeeeee

[orchid copper]

clueless whales will eventually joins cos lorca is in

[unique granite]

SvS is so lame now

I hope 591 applies to 2216

[analog sable]

Haha I was thinking the same, those 1112 whale bring badluck 🤣

There is always a big rogue with them

[unique granite]

One thing I can tell you

They have a lot of IRL busy guys

[unique granite]

So wild fires at 2216... is a real thing

24/7 their server is not covered

[native jolt]

A grown ah man “quitting” then giving his acc away then coming back mad to go rouge cause he moved it🔥🔥 real

[analog sable]

When they open the game and got ported some where else

[spare oak]

He didn’t give it away tho

[native jolt]

Did he get hack

[analog sable]

Someone had the details, and he moved it without permission

[steady narwhal]

Who is better on AF on EX-5 LvL. Azuka or Max

[unique granite]

I personally like Asuka more

[spare oak]

I believe Lorca himself said the account was gonna die in 591 or sum like that

[unique granite]

Simply due to how active trigger she is and the ignition synergy

[steady narwhal]

Big difference or small

[unique granite]

She will always prio ignition

[native jolt]

And how he get in first place

[analog sable]

Enough players offered to buy the account, but he didn't want to sell it and leave it on 591, same as Leon in520

[spare oak]

Oh yea I bet they did

[unique granite]

For mid tiers, I think both still do. I enjoy Asuka more than Maximo

But if you have for instance, gear effect of hero activation, maximo is stronger

[chrome stirrup]

i mean nvm said the same, but instanbul probably offered a price he couldn’t turn down

[unique granite]

I do believe that

Loki is playing

He wouldn't scam it

[spare oak]

But Istanbul would’ve kept it in 591 with him

[chrome stirrup]

talking about loki

[spare oak]

Ohhh

[analog sable]

No he did want to sell the account

[chrome stirrup]

[analog sable]

He offered the account to someone I know, but he didn't want to buy it

[pine vigil]

Anyone know the full list of price and items you get from hero skill packs going on currently?

[chrome stirrup]

it’s weird order like 1,2,11,20,38

$2,$5,$20,$50,$100

[unique granite]

New hero should be cheaper

I am still redudant over her

[chrome stirrup]

just took to 3* with extra shards

[orchid copper]

because server with big players looks good

server good with famous player = easy new transfers

win win

[pale kernel]

2216 was already looking good. Very promising server. All this did was damage their reputation

[orchid copper]

well, that's their choice

they did bring and approved to bring him in

so they know what they doing

[pale kernel]

Yeah that’s why I said I just wanna know the thought process 😂

[orchid copper]

I only can provide popcorn to all of you guys

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-extra-butter-popcorn-gif-27400685

[chrome stirrup]

letting in 1112 leaders damaged their reputation first

[wanton sigil]

They are probably rank 2 now

Soon thriving to be rank 1

[orchid copper]

instant level 100 when?

[wanton sigil]

Just wait till take joins

[pale kernel]

💀💀💀

[orchid copper]

buy take?

[chrome stirrup]

no they’re not

[orchid copper]

new meta is buy mega whales

[wanton sigil]

Think 5 mega whales on offensive team... sitting on each building..

Svs is easy

[orchid copper]

because older mega whales are quitting/ on sale

[unique granite]

They don't know that yet

[orchid copper]

just buy and use them

[steady narwhal]

if lorca was not aware of this move i could understand they he is pi...sss...ed ..... 2216 under shield for 1 month until cooldown expires

[chrome stirrup]

i’m sure they do

[unique granite]

One mega is enough to solo a server without mega

If Lorca wants 2216 is not safe

[analog sable]

Get your info straight, take is being owned by few 770players, Lorca will go back to 591 because he didn't move it