#Arcade - IGS PGM
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In a community it's not all about the job done. It also implies the relations inside the community.
And like everywhere, there is also a fight of egos sometimes. It is complicated to fit in grace of everybody
I think there's really no excuse for the license part, but please understand that China hasn't been truly participating in open source communities for very long.
Additionally, there's a possibility that although this developer has the skills, they haven't been involved in open source for very long. Additionally, this developer is said to have co-developed the Nebula Simulator a long time ago.
Their github account is 10 years old, that's plenty of time to get an understanding of how open source works
Those sprite glitches don’t happen in Waka’s core
I think? I might not have the latest changes
Whoever’s behind the clone repo seems extremely mentally ill. I pity them
Things can get better, anonymous shitlord
Sorry, my account is also a few years old, but I don't really know much about these license agreements. I just know they exist — I don't understand what exactly should be followed. So I've only started learning recently.
OK sure, fine whatever. Anyway, the situation here wasn't because of some lack of understanding of how open source works. They know. He just rage quit, that's it, that's all
I never promised that I wouldn't open-source it. If you aren't even willing to wait these two days and say these things to annoy me, then to hell with open-sourcing. As long as I have it to play with, that's enough. I don't care if you guys have it to play with or not.
Bro, I've actually met someone like that. You can imagine him sharing code he's not happy with to others. I asked one person, and he said it's just too embarrassing.
🤣
Yeah, that's totally what's happened here 🙄
So now that the weird PGM cores are nuked again 😛 is @obsidian rose still making his PGM Core or not ?
No he’s been taught a lesson about the dangers of mister core development and open source software by just staggeringly brilliant people and will never write or release code again. I heard he quit his job
If only we were as smart we could tell when new people join up with very “clever” backstories and “just ask questions” but we’re so very stupid
i heard wickerwacka deleted everything on his github and if you even think of any of his cores he WILL sue you for 2 billion dollars
@neat blaze are you that developer?
I didn't want to say it, but it sure sounds that way
why else would they join this specific chat out of nowhere and defend another random person so vigorously and know details about them.
🍿
I understand that language and cultural barriers exist, but patience and respect is universal. Choosing not to exercise patience and respect means you cannot hide behind excuses.
It's gone thank god we can move on
Wicker is strong and it's weather proof too
We should be good
The statement of his own code was weird saying that some sound sound thing is his own c++ code. Like it's some kind of hybrid
Wicker doesn’t give a shit because he’s a professional developer and knows better than to get muddied.
The problem is the damage of the community trust is already done
Not by anyone who respects how things are usually done, with openness and following the terms of the license
This is just a weird little blip in the development of the core lol
yeah who cares, not that I want to stop anyone from talking about it but when possible we should move on
Did you grab his little hotfix that supposedly addressed crt functionality. I was going to grab everything to provide that save state format for wicker, but I was busy last night and viola, poof, world's worst vanishing magic trick lol
when I say “who cares” I mean I care what y’all think, I just mean that this issue is ultimately unimportant because of how great the community is, so “who cares about this problem, we are awesome”
Which care bear would Robby be, laugh-a-lot bear?
Oh wait that Pinterest reference was just making up Care Bears. I’ve been found out as not a true care bear fan
almost like it was predictable lol
also VGE cant spell this morning because he's been up since 2am with a dog with a bad cough
No
If you use the GPL license, you must comply with it. In principle, as soon as you start using the code, you have to open source it — there's really no room for compromise...
I have a question. I feel that the core sound of MVS is still a bit off compared to the actual hardware — it feels a bit weak and soft. I don't know how to describe it.
Are you sure? Like maybe not even a little bit?
no thats Miller High Life
there are ways around it, i think it's only if you compile GPL code into your binary, or you modify GPL code and compile that into your binary then you need to publish your code. Some projects will keep GPL code in seperate libarays so they can keep their own code private. Lots of companies do it this way so they can use opensource GPL librarys but keep their own stuff private
I dunno, what if you're the guy behind it all 
lol someone is going to demand you apologize for harrassment soon
me too and I stay out of it minus fun memes 🤣
GPL is a complicated license that tries stop all imaginable holes to avoid other coders to take advantage without use it. Linking is one of the big headaches that make gpl code not very usable in closed source environments
No — I simply bought the MisterFPGA and then played with it.
some big companies get away with abusing it or simply buying themselves in in a board or something
but yeah,. that is the reason Apple went with BSD and not Linux
I was just messing with Robby saying it was him
'open source , we love it' - is what Jobs said on the keynote presentation of the first OSX. I watched it live and I was naively stoked and impressed
fuckers. all of em
And a significant percentage of current Darwin components is closed source compared the beginning that was fully open
jep
well he open sourced his cancer treatment to quack remedies so lol
harsh!
haha
License matter easily will snowball into offtopic so
not sure, i got it late evening UK time yesterday around 9pm
are you just using a 3.5mm for audio or are you using an optical cable into a dac?
3.5mm for audio
CUPS dead, PS4/5 built with freebsd work, everyone using llvm to put his propietary instructions for their chips, android TIVOlization
Ok that may have been late enough.... I saw it get posted around 400pm est time, and I think UK time is 5 hrs ahead of me
it's a dual plug that can also support toslink optical audio which is a step up
audio weak and soft? @torn oasis can help. He is always weak and soft (take that Wisconsin)
i don't think that someone is in the room with us.
i will claim that toslink improves audio quality over 3.5mm
Not if uses AC3
what are you on about lmao
It wasn't rare toslink transporting ac3
we are all big YT celebrities! Hundredaires all of us
It's the unique way to pull surround sound from ps3/xbox360 era
ok you're just stream of consciousness posting that has nothing to do with my suggestion for how he can potentially improve his audio concerns for the neogeo core on mister.
thanks
🤦♂️
i only play WoW classic not retail
I play World of Warcraft: Timewalking and Mists of Pandaria.
I can’t prove otherwise, hmmmm

@neat blaze are you in China or from China?
both
We usually call foreigners (mainly Westerners) 'Laowai'.
would have been funnier if you spelled "are you in..."with a y
Hahahaha awesome
have you ever met President Pooh?
……
tryna get this man sent to the camps
also I mean who sensors Pooh? He is the most charming bear ever. Id WANT to be compared to him lol
I admit it, it was me behind the forked project. Here’s a shot of the core running on my custom transparent red mistercade
a kind, thoughtful "hunny" loving bear with a ton of friends? Thats the dream. Also he doesn't have to wear pants. Nobody wants to wear pants!
play my rom hack; "DoDonPOOHchi"
this is how i feel after waking up checking the discord about the new cores coming out
Let’s not make things weird
This is an insult.
I don't see the relevancy either
Ok let’s avoid political talk
lol Im sorry. I was having too much fun
I just got in here, hands are clean, i love doom
I love this guy
wisconsin cheese is the best
Please understand, the national conditions are different. In China, you cannot address the country's leaders in this way.
Sorry, don't mind VGE
He’s batting 100
you forgot the -
Standing in the middle of the street in Washington DC and shouting some obvious truths about that orange buffoon will get you arrested as well
-100
lol
I can be particularly allergic to the concept of anything being beyond commentary lol
🤦♂️
China does have freedom of speech; otherwise, I wouldn't be here communicating with all of you.🤣
Chester Cheeto? lol
just because cheese is the topic of discussion now
I think the thing still sticking with me this morning is this idea that the original creator was harassed. Maybe I missed it (or maybe they were in here when we were joking about the source) but I feel like birdy asking for the source (and doing it very politely) didn't (to me) come off as harassment
Are you doing it without a vpn?
I can't explain the rest. If you ever have the chance to come to China, you'll understand.
Sick Zelda backpack
Poor Mario got left out
too much chilli dogs i think
It's called the great firewall of China for a reason haha
well in Chicago we have a rich and storied history of absolutely dragging our politicians mercilessly and I love it
I've seen other countries slandering China — and it's malicious, without any evidence.
I think it was probably pressure in private, not publicly. Perhaps from DMs or something. Nothing public facing that we saw could be construed as harassment. It's likelier that someone was prodding him behind the scenes/on social media, since I assume that the videos previously shared before the core went live were from his social media account
Actually, when I was a child, I disliked this thing too, but as an adult, I find it very useful. I'm grateful for it.
You are not your politicians. Let them handle the slandering.
Its all asinine; harassment is women getting catcalled and touched on the streets. Its minorities hearing racist shit. Its outright violence. Its not "hey whats the source"
and if they have evidence your leaders will not lets you see it, it is the same everywhere
In America, in particular, there is a long historical fear and distrust of China due to stories propagated by the US government. But thanks to the internet, I think a lot of the crazier stories that got shared are proof that China, especially in the larger cities, is as advanced or better than any other place
people need to pull their heads out of their asses. They are lodged so far up there they could give themselves a cavity check on the backside of their wisdom teeth
That's my point. They certainly can feel how they want to, but I don't think the general public has seen what he's talking about. He could have been threatened over DMs or whatever
May I post a link?
Ok no more politics sorry
Within reason
He’s right
Lol
Damnit all these updates and not about PGM
I just can't some days lol. Its "vidya games"
Yeah stop with politics

Err the real open core
Well technically.....
ok ok ok
I haven’t tried the core yet
Espgaluda works really well
I don’t even know what games are on the PGM
same waiting for wika's core
there is a photo of my Demon Front lol. Im back on track
Who is IGS anyways
its so small
There’s a few good fighters, some decent and long beat em ups, the cave bootlegs are the biggest draw for a lot of people tho
The only one that matters is Ikaruga
lol dont ask (Taiwan)
Just kidding lol
I've watched so many of your videos that I can hear your voice saying those words, and it's really weird cuz you are always so clean-cut on youtube. 😜
IGS made the poly game master
hahaha yeah this is the IRL me
Welcome to come hang out here.
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I know a couple of those
so its literaly the cart as the acrade game like neo geo? Whats in the main system besides the motorolla 608000
Which PGM games feature in this?
its impressive having a arcade board smashed into a tiny shell
Bootlegs?
allright so I guess this has been said before, but I also tried to load my ketsui (WickerWaka) savestates in the other core.
and sure enough, those load up fine.
I have no sound though. (even before loading savestates I mean)
that being said, there are other bugs (the clouds on the right when starting level1, blinking on the highscore in espgal and the 1st explosion in stage 1 before you can start actually playing)
but also some bugs don't appear like the levels transitions in ketsui and the background disapprearing after the start of ketsui's 3rd level midboss
if anyone wants to try some savestates made with WickerWaka's WIP core, there you go.
Edit : this was tested on a CRT TV
also can you stop being a**holes to @neat blaze ? what's wrong with you guys 🫣
Nice arcade
Thanks
The 3 cave shooters were released on single-board PGM hardware, similar to late-stage MVS games. The carts are conversions
Knights of Valour, DoDonPachi, and Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku should all be available.
Oh so not carts like I've usually seen with pgm?
People have made carts with the games on them, but the originals were full PCBs
the cave shooters were converted i believe
I've seen a real ketsui in person, it's a much larger PCB
Ahhh interesting, thanks
But the carts are considered bootlegs
Which is what mame and I guess the core will use
i mean honestly i would rather have them that way
The cart-to-motherboard connections can be fussy
Knights of Valour is really fun to play with other people.
fussy = incredible grip strength
@neat blaze Thanks for coming here and sharing perspective with us. I'm sorry if the welcome was not great. Tensions around this topic are a little heated after last night's nonsense
It's okay. Where we are, actually many people don't understand the meaning of open source. They think open source means it's free and can be used casually however they want. That's not correct.
yeah, definitely some nuance lost in translation. But, with that said, I think asking for the source was a fair ask (especially since birdy did it politely).
Unfortunately, anything coin op inserts themselves into rachets up the drama 100x
Most western people do not know what open source truly is either
Inshallah they will know peace some day
Are u telling me that coin op joined the drama in other chats??
in that respect there is not a lot of difference between Chinese and Western developers
This is my hometown
Harbin is the coldest major city in China. In winter, temperatures drop to -30°C… sometimes lower. And somehow, millions of people just live their normal lives like it’s no big deal.
I travel to Harbin in January 2026 to see how a city this size actually functions in extreme winter. How do buildings stay warm? What does daily life look lik...
fucking a
I mean it's free and can be used somewhat however you want but it should be kind of obvious to any human being on earth that what you take, you give back, and making a github saying "my stuff runs better than your stuff and I'm not sharing" is not "cool".
no need to understand GPL or opensource for that, just need to be a decent human being I think😬 (but maybe that's just me)
not just you
I say this with love but coming in here demanding evidence and then arguing over and over that someone you may or may not know doesn't understand open source in a discord that you just joined and this conversation being the first that you've interacted with is the source of the push back you got from us here. Chill out.
meanwhile I am just waiting to play my fav PGM games on MiSTer. No please dont ask if I already own my favorites on real hardware...where is the fun in that lol
Don't revive economical traumas?
5 million inhabitants.. wtf
10x the population of the island of Newfoundland
sorry
I read about the history of Harbin during the second world war and the Japanese occupation and genocide.
mame runs the original roms, and I imagine a PGM core will be able too as well?
don't be unless you are the author, man👍
Here you can practice some SvG combos to show off for your future PGM videos
I haven't noticed any issues with the ketsui bootleg roms (which is the only game on the system I have any real experience with), but I still don't 100% trust them
only way around that is to get an original board and, uhhhhhh
Yes, and the site of Unit 731 is right here.
yea :/
it is a good museum now, no?
I’ve asked a few people who have 1cc’d the original Espgaluda pcb and they say the bootleg carts run the same, I’d imagine it’s the same situation with Ketsui
Even the nerds at Twin Galaxies accept PGM bootlegs for high score records
that's surprising, considering it's a different romset
but then again it's twin galaxies lol
(Not that they’re particularly technically knowledgeable)
@manic lake got any input? or know someone who does
Heilongjiang's population is declining, and now it's only about 7 million left.
tangentially related, but I've heard they didn't accept scores done on the darksoft CPS2 multi back when it could only play decrypted roms
still half of the total population of the country I live in
You can now bake your own encrypted hacked roms, so I’m sure they decided to just stop caring
That place looks really cool
If they were sooper srs they’d demand on-camera eprom dumps and checksums
But instead they just make you go through a very annoying process in order to weed out most people
It's hard to judge it as good or bad. This is a museum displaying the crimes of the Japanese Imperial Army during the invasion of China.
I think a museum which tells that story and educates is always good
meanwhile JHA runs on "trust me bro" proof
Short of in-person competitions with verified hardware, there’s no real way to tell if someone’s cheating with their high scores
Some PGM "bootlegs" are just official versions that were called bootlegs so PGM could avoid being sued 🙂
But like. There are dozens of 1cc runs on YouTube of any shmup and they’re all higher scores than twin galaxies. Most people just don’t care
just google knights of valour vs street fighter heh
Also, I need to explain that Heilongjiang's economy is actually very poor compared to the rest of the country, but this video is indeed factual.
twin galaxies is just beyond a joke for high scores
I don;t care for shopping centers. We have them here too. I want to see nature and culture
An afternoon’s practice will put you in the top 5 for a lot of games
Sometimes you may not understand the reason for piracy in China many years ago. It was mainly due to exchange rates. In 2018, my monthly salary was still 3,000 RMB, but a genuine Microsoft operating system would cost me 1,000 RMB.
A Japanese RPG costs 400 yuan.
I didn't know of Twin Galaxcies till the King of Kong documentary
with billie mitchel
so they are actually a fruad?
I thought that Nibbler high score was real
But 3,000 yuan was completely enough for one person to live on at that time — of course, aside from the expenses for things like this.
some of my chinese friends told me they got paid yearly when they were in china before they moved here (AU), not sure if thats still a thing?
as in 1 big paycheck per year
ex huawei employees
A lot of Chinese people don't get why they have to pay so much for foreign software. It's really because of the exchange rate.
is single ram core available? the github page is offline to check this.
link? i dont see any pin here for the link to download
sounds better than me hunting down clients for my checks
everyone is always in a hurry to get their work but then when the check is due wow are they slow af lol
Is that with the analog video fix?
These versions with svc chaos sprites towering over the enemies are some of the things I want to play most on the core. Mostly because I have carts for all the normal stuff already.
I haven't tried it. My MiSTer hasn't been turned on for a while, and I haven't had the energy to play with it.
the analog fix update was posted late in the day yesterday, so unless you grabbed it a few hours before the repo got nuked, it might not have it lol
at this rate, it might be better to just wait for wickerwaka
Actually, I'm more interested in the cores made by JT (x
they have their hands full with #1453762839809491107
thankfully they are making progress
I actually still have an NEC PC98 laptop at home, but since I can't read Japanese, I just learned how to install the system and drivers, and then I tossed it aside.
Ok, let’s pretend I’m Joe Asshole and I don’t know anything about IGS PGM. Why should I care when we have all these other arcade cores?
Wow IGS PGM? Hah, did they forget to include the rest of the alphabet?
uhh because the games are really good
some of the best content cave has ever produced
Yeah what games, I’m Joe Asshole and I know my games.
daioujou is considered by some to be the best ddp game, and ketsui is a perfect game (its also my favorite shmup)
the side scrolling beat em ups are an interesting novelty
and really only popular in CN, but by far THE best cave shooters are on pgm
You may not be interested in games from Taiwan, China, but you should at least be interested in CAVE's games.
I'm sorry, you are clearly Robby Asshole.
oh i mean you may
is Joe in the channel with us now?
I am Joe Asshole and I only play Capcom and Konami games
Who is this Cave
Why are they hiding in a Cave?
it's pronounced Cavé
You are all barbarians
listen here bud, Barbarian is for the C64 and we are talking arcade
I’m Joe Asshole and I know my games
I've got it backed up
Can post later if its wanted
It's only a "Cave Bullet Hell" if it comes from the Cave HQ in Tokyo. Everywere else it's a "Sparkling SHMUP"
o yeah. which barbarian then! there were two
@errant knot you make an interesting list
bet you did not know that
do you question the almighty Joe Asshole
ok I concede
You win, don’t hurt me
So far all I heard is there’s a game called DDP which sounds like Double Donkey, and I can’t say the rest
And some games that were made in a Cave
Guys he’s trying to get you to slip up. Classic interrogation technique
I want a lawyer
I don't understand this ……joke?
oh my god, I know you’re being sincere but that’s a really good response lol
Robby likes saying things that doesn’t make sense 🥰
And we love him for this
I am portraying an overly boisterous and ignorant person
I'm still hoping Robby renames himself to "Robby Asshole" in this server
since he made me an ass man, after all
@neat blaze I am doing this partly for entertainment but also to give people an excuse to demonstrate their amazing knowledge and love for these games.
it's ok, I have NO REMORSE when talking about ketsui
Album: dodonpachi DAI-OU-JOU / KE-TSU-I kizunajigokutachi ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK
Artist: Manabu Namiki
Track: 10
Title: NO REMORSE (TrueLastBoss)
The True Last Boss Theme from the game Ketsui ~Kizuna Jigoku Tachi~.
Atari Teenage Riot?
I really like games, but I can't get into them anymore — I'm experiencing 'gaming erectile dysfunction'🤣
Well, that's sorted out what I'm listening to before lunch
Aha
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No Remorse (I Wanna Die) · Slayer · Atari Teenage Riot
Spawn The Album
℗ 1997 Sony Music Entertainment
Released on: 1997-07-29
Associated Performer: Slayer
Associated Performer: Atari Teenage Riot
Lyricist, Composer: K. King
Composer, Lyricist: J. Hanneman
Lyricist, Composer: T. Araya
Lyricist, Compo...
Shoulda done an EP together
As an aside, I like that IGS still has a website and it's relatively up to date
they are still making games apparently
next time I visit Taiwan, I may drop by their offices
Yeah, still active
remember when soundtracks were something to look forward to?
My uncle makes soundtracks. I asked him how much it would cost to make the Spawn soundtrack today. He said:
sure, why not
Can I ask a question? Do you have the habit of saving money?
okami, the world is going to end, you can't take it with you
ok sorry iknow
you should probably ask that question in #general-banter since thats the better place for that kind of discussion
Yes, analog output works
00:00 Fog Warning - 霧警 (Select)
00:56 East Asia - 東亞 (Stage1)
05:56 Burning Body - 焚身 (Boss)
08:23 Collector - 獲者 (StageClear)
08:37 Colorful Rainbow - 彩虹 (Stage2)
12:47 Strange Dance - 凄舞 (Stage3)
17:56 Mixed Melody - 錯節 (Stage4)
21:30 Grieving Womb - 胎慟 (Stage5)
25:21 Yellow Stream - 黄流 (LastBoss)
27:49 Red ...
Album: dodonpachi DAI-OU-JOU / KE-TSU-I kizunajigokutachi ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK
Artist: Manabu Namiki
Track: 1
Title: DOOMSDAY (Select)
The select screen music from the game Ketsui ~Kizuna Jigoku Tachi~.
01:54 🥵
The first time I heard this in-game it gave me shivers
https://youtu.be/z472pIce5CY?si=tTATQwj_agRaI89Z In fact, I like this one the most.
Album: dodonpachi DAI-OU-JOU / KE-TSU-I kizunajigokutachi ORIGINAL SOUND TRACK
Artist: Manabu Namiki
Track: 2
Title: INTERCEPTION - Noisy Town (Stage1)
The Stage 1 Theme from the game Ketsui ~Kizuna Jigoku Tachi~.
the audio in that doj video is what the core should hopefully avoid, btw
that sounds exactly like mame
whereas the PCB sounds like it applies some sort of LPF, and the kick drums also sound punchier
At long last I final got the DoDonPachi DaiOuJou (怒首領蜂大往生) White Label 2-ALL clear using B-Leinyan. Played on the original PCB.
Stage Listing:
00:00 - Stage 1
02:58 - Stage 2
05:54 - Stage 3
09:49 - Stage 4
14:15 - Stage 5
20:01 - Intermission
20:14 - Loop 2-1
22:33 - 2-2
25:24 - 2-3
29:09 - 2-4
33:38 - 2-5
38:01 - Final Boss Kou...
that fool is playing ddp with a dual shock lol
is he playing the ps2 version of the game
I should have said above, the test I ran were on a crt tv
no, that's the pcb
custom harness i take it
yeah
thats wild
he just prefers playing on pad for some reason lol
Should be playing on hitbox
I find that some channels on this server are hard to locate.🤣
Go to “channels & roles” at the top of the list and make sure you’re signed up for them all
threads kinda stinky imo
thx
See @quaint tide ! Someone else gets it too!
Threads are black holes, good luck finding them all
wanna see something sad?
i cant play cameltry properly
and i forgot to install a block button
ofc it did 😎
you ever hear Jake Kaufmans version? Its in the switch Dodonpachi 4 version
whoops 5, Dia-Fukkasta
best game in the series in my opinion
Remember that we do have a Taito F2 System thread!
if f2 is so nice, why havent they made f3
wait....
I've noticed some things in the Weird core that make me think it's a rather poor implementation, though I could be completely wrong since I don't own an original board. Aside from some slowdowns—which aren't massive but are definitely noticeable—I've also detected some input lag that is quite unusual for an FPGA core. In Demon Front, when I press the button to add a credit, I could smoke a whole cigarette between the button press and it actually showing up on screen
Once more, I can be wrong
when i saw the reddit thread about the core had 47 comments i knew there would be gold
As a test it was fine, but I'm definitely going to wait for wickerwaka's core
Only tried three games so far. Rotate orientation works for you Cave fans.
The reputation this server has will never cease to amaze me
Meant to post this somewhere else. Hello all, been a while. Looking forward to wickerwaka's finished core