#Arcade - IGS PGM

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neat blaze
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I've been learning how to be a contributor recently, but I've already been scolded by community members a few times. I'm also learning how to understand open source licenses.

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But I am aware that this is something I should learn about.

dire rivet
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In a community it's not all about the job done. It also implies the relations inside the community.

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And like everywhere, there is also a fight of egos sometimes. It is complicated to fit in grace of everybody

neat blaze
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I think there's really no excuse for the license part, but please understand that China hasn't been truly participating in open source communities for very long.

neat blaze
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Additionally, there's a possibility that although this developer has the skills, they haven't been involved in open source for very long. Additionally, this developer is said to have co-developed the Nebula Simulator a long time ago.

forest cove
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Their github account is 10 years old, that's plenty of time to get an understanding of how open source works

haughty spire
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Those sprite glitches don’t happen in Waka’s core

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I think? I might not have the latest changes

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Whoever’s behind the clone repo seems extremely mentally ill. I pity them

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Things can get better, anonymous shitlord

neat blaze
forest cove
# neat blaze Sorry, my account is also a few years old, but I don't really know much about th...

OK sure, fine whatever. Anyway, the situation here wasn't because of some lack of understanding of how open source works. They know. He just rage quit, that's it, that's all

I never promised that I wouldn't open-source it. If you aren't even willing to wait these two days and say these things to annoy me, then to hell with open-sourcing. As long as I have it to play with, that's enough. I don't care if you guys have it to play with or not.

neat blaze
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🤣

forest cove
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Yeah, that's totally what's happened here 🙄

vocal basalt
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So now that the weird PGM cores are nuked again 😛 is @obsidian rose still making his PGM Core or not ?

vocal quest
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No he’s been taught a lesson about the dangers of mister core development and open source software by just staggeringly brilliant people and will never write or release code again. I heard he quit his job

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If only we were as smart we could tell when new people join up with very “clever” backstories and “just ask questions” but we’re so very stupid

cosmic plaza
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i heard wickerwacka deleted everything on his github and if you even think of any of his cores he WILL sue you for 2 billion dollars

tough magnet
open marsh
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I didn't want to say it, but it sure sounds that way

tough magnet
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why else would they join this specific chat out of nowhere and defend another random person so vigorously and know details about them.

compact heart
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🍿

tough magnet
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I understand that language and cultural barriers exist, but patience and respect is universal. Choosing not to exercise patience and respect means you cannot hide behind excuses.

manic lake
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It's gone thank god we can move on

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Wicker is strong and it's weather proof too

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We should be good

lime moon
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The statement of his own code was weird saying that some sound sound thing is his own c++ code. Like it's some kind of hybrid

tough magnet
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Wicker doesn’t give a shit because he’s a professional developer and knows better than to get muddied.

lime moon
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The problem is the damage of the community trust is already done

errant knot
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Not by anyone who respects how things are usually done, with openness and following the terms of the license

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This is just a weird little blip in the development of the core lol

tough magnet
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yeah who cares, not that I want to stop anyone from talking about it but when possible we should move on

errant knot
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Did you grab his little hotfix that supposedly addressed crt functionality. I was going to grab everything to provide that save state format for wicker, but I was busy last night and viola, poof, world's worst vanishing magic trick lol

tough magnet
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when I say “who cares” I mean I care what y’all think, I just mean that this issue is ultimately unimportant because of how great the community is, so “who cares about this problem, we are awesome”

vocal quest
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Which care bear would Robby be, laugh-a-lot bear?

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Oh wait that Pinterest reference was just making up Care Bears. I’ve been found out as not a true care bear fan

quaint tide
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almost like it was predictable lol

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also VGE cant spell this morning because he's been up since 2am with a dog with a bad cough

neat blaze
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If you use the GPL license, you must comply with it. In principle, as soon as you start using the code, you have to open source it — there's really no room for compromise...

errant knot
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Yep

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Open source makes the world go round

neat blaze
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I have a question. I feel that the core sound of MVS is still a bit off compared to the actual hardware — it feels a bit weak and soft. I don't know how to describe it.

tough magnet
quaint tide
uneven ridge
magic fractal
quaint tide
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me too and I stay out of it minus fun memes 🤣

lime moon
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GPL is a complicated license that tries stop all imaginable holes to avoid other coders to take advantage without use it. Linking is one of the big headaches that make gpl code not very usable in closed source environments

neat blaze
rapid fulcrum
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some big companies get away with abusing it or simply buying themselves in in a board or something

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but yeah,. that is the reason Apple went with BSD and not Linux

magic fractal
rapid fulcrum
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'open source , we love it' - is what Jobs said on the keynote presentation of the first OSX. I watched it live and I was naively stoked and impressed

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fuckers. all of em

lime moon
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And a significant percentage of current Darwin components is closed source compared the beginning that was fully open

rapid fulcrum
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jep

quaint tide
lime moon
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License matter easily will snowball into offtopic so

quaint tide
nova narwhal
keen ibex
lime moon
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CUPS dead, PS4/5 built with freebsd work, everyone using llvm to put his propietary instructions for their chips, android TIVOlization

errant knot
keen ibex
quaint tide
lime moon
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Golden connectors for fiber

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And someone will claim that improves audio quality

keen ibex
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i don't think that someone is in the room with us.

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i will claim that toslink improves audio quality over 3.5mm

lime moon
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Not if uses AC3

keen ibex
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what are you on about lmao

lime moon
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It wasn't rare toslink transporting ac3

neat blaze
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You all have so much money.

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🤣

quaint tide
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we are all big YT celebrities! Hundredaires all of us

lime moon
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It's the unique way to pull surround sound from ps3/xbox360 era

keen ibex
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ok you're just stream of consciousness posting that has nothing to do with my suggestion for how he can potentially improve his audio concerns for the neogeo core on mister.

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thanks

lime moon
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Oh, neogeo case 🤷

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I guess depends a lot of filter chain

keen ibex
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🤦‍♂️

neat blaze
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Does anyone play with this?

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🤣

keen ibex
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i only play WoW classic not retail

neat blaze
tough magnet
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@neat blaze are you in China or from China?

tough magnet
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lol

neat blaze
quaint tide
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would have been funnier if you spelled "are you in..."with a y

tough magnet
quaint tide
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have you ever met President Pooh?

neat blaze
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……

keen ibex
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tryna get this man sent to the camps

quaint tide
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also I mean who sensors Pooh? He is the most charming bear ever. Id WANT to be compared to him lol

haughty spire
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I admit it, it was me behind the forked project. Here’s a shot of the core running on my custom transparent red mistercade

quaint tide
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a kind, thoughtful "hunny" loving bear with a ton of friends? Thats the dream. Also he doesn't have to wear pants. Nobody wants to wear pants!

loud ridge
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this is how i feel after waking up checking the discord about the new cores coming out

haughty spire
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Let’s not make things weird

neat blaze
rapid fulcrum
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I don't see the relevancy either

tough magnet
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Ok let’s avoid political talk

quaint tide
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lol Im sorry. I was having too much fun

loud ridge
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I just got in here, hands are clean, i love doom

tough magnet
loud ridge
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wisconsin cheese is the best

neat blaze
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Please understand, the national conditions are different. In China, you cannot address the country's leaders in this way.

tough magnet
loud ridge
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you forgot the -

rapid fulcrum
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Standing in the middle of the street in Washington DC and shouting some obvious truths about that orange buffoon will get you arrested as well

loud ridge
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-100

tough magnet
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lol

quaint tide
quaint tide
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Vermont wins

errant knot
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🤦‍♂️

neat blaze
quaint tide
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just because cheese is the topic of discussion now

winged ivy
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I think the thing still sticking with me this morning is this idea that the original creator was harassed. Maybe I missed it (or maybe they were in here when we were joking about the source) but I feel like birdy asking for the source (and doing it very politely) didn't (to me) come off as harassment

forest cove
loud ridge
neat blaze
haughty spire
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Sick Zelda backpack

quaint tide
loud ridge
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too much chilli dogs i think

errant knot
quaint tide
neat blaze
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I've seen other countries slandering China — and it's malicious, without any evidence.

errant knot
neat blaze
tough magnet
quaint tide
tough magnet
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and if they have evidence your leaders will not lets you see it, it is the same everywhere

errant knot
quaint tide
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people need to pull their heads out of their asses. They are lodged so far up there they could give themselves a cavity check on the backside of their wisdom teeth

loud ridge
errant knot
neat blaze
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May I post a link?

tough magnet
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Ok no more politics sorry

haughty spire
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Within reason

loud ridge
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where am I

tough magnet
haughty spire
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Lol

vocal quest
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Damnit all these updates and not about PGM

quaint tide
tough magnet
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Yeah stop with politics

haughty spire
vocal quest
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Err the real open core

errant knot
quaint tide
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ok ok ok

haughty spire
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PGM is pretty cool

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Pumped for Waka’s core

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Save states, pause

loud ridge
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feels like a friday

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which feels lika a saturday

tough magnet
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I haven’t tried the core yet

haughty spire
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Espgaluda works really well

tough magnet
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I don’t even know what games are on the PGM

quaint tide
loud ridge
quaint tide
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there is a photo of my Demon Front lol. Im back on track

tough magnet
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Who is IGS anyways

loud ridge
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its so small

haughty spire
errant knot
quaint tide
errant knot
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Just kidding lol

hybrid prism
errant knot
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IGS made the poly game master

neat blaze
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Welcome to come hang out here.

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keen ibex
loud ridge
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so its literaly the cart as the acrade game like neo geo? Whats in the main system besides the motorolla 608000

forest cove
loud ridge
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its impressive having a arcade board smashed into a tiny shell

crimson storm
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allright so I guess this has been said before, but I also tried to load my ketsui (WickerWaka) savestates in the other core.
and sure enough, those load up fine.
I have no sound though. (even before loading savestates I mean)

that being said, there are other bugs (the clouds on the right when starting level1, blinking on the highscore in espgal and the 1st explosion in stage 1 before you can start actually playing)
but also some bugs don't appear like the levels transitions in ketsui and the background disapprearing after the start of ketsui's 3rd level midboss

if anyone wants to try some savestates made with WickerWaka's WIP core, there you go.

Edit : this was tested on a CRT TV

also can you stop being a**holes to @neat blaze ? what's wrong with you guys 🫣

keen ibex
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Nice arcade

haughty spire
# magic fractal Bootlegs?

The 3 cave shooters were released on single-board PGM hardware, similar to late-stage MVS games. The carts are conversions

neat blaze
magic fractal
haughty spire
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People have made carts with the games on them, but the originals were full PCBs

loud ridge
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the cave shooters were converted i believe

errant knot
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I've seen a real ketsui in person, it's a much larger PCB

magic fractal
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Ahhh interesting, thanks

errant knot
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But the carts are considered bootlegs

haughty spire
errant knot
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Which is what mame and I guess the core will use

loud ridge
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i mean honestly i would rather have them that way

haughty spire
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The cart-to-motherboard connections can be fussy

neat blaze
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Knights of Valour is really fun to play with other people.

vocal quest
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fussy = incredible grip strength

winged ivy
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@neat blaze Thanks for coming here and sharing perspective with us. I'm sorry if the welcome was not great. Tensions around this topic are a little heated after last night's nonsense

neat blaze
winged ivy
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Unfortunately, anything coin op inserts themselves into rachets up the drama 100x

rapid fulcrum
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Most western people do not know what open source truly is either

haughty spire
dire rivet
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Are u telling me that coin op joined the drama in other chats??

rapid fulcrum
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in that respect there is not a lot of difference between Chinese and Western developers

neat blaze
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This is my hometown

winged ivy
crimson storm
keen ibex
forest cove
quaint tide
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meanwhile I am just waiting to play my fav PGM games on MiSTer. No please dont ask if I already own my favorites on real hardware...where is the fun in that lol

lime moon
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Don't revive economical traumas?

rapid fulcrum
haughty spire
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10x the population of the island of Newfoundland

rapid fulcrum
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I read about the history of Harbin during the second world war and the Japanese occupation and genocide.

west talon
crimson storm
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don't be unless you are the author, man👍

keen ibex
west talon
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I haven't noticed any issues with the ketsui bootleg roms (which is the only game on the system I have any real experience with), but I still don't 100% trust them

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only way around that is to get an original board and, uhhhhhh

neat blaze
rapid fulcrum
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it is a good museum now, no?

haughty spire
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Even the nerds at Twin Galaxies accept PGM bootlegs for high score records

west talon
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that's surprising, considering it's a different romset

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but then again it's twin galaxies lol

haughty spire
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(Not that they’re particularly technically knowledgeable)

quaint tide
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@manic lake got any input? or know someone who does

neat blaze
west talon
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tangentially related, but I've heard they didn't accept scores done on the darksoft CPS2 multi back when it could only play decrypted roms

rapid fulcrum
haughty spire
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You can now bake your own encrypted hacked roms, so I’m sure they decided to just stop caring

magic fractal
haughty spire
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If they were sooper srs they’d demand on-camera eprom dumps and checksums

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But instead they just make you go through a very annoying process in order to weed out most people

neat blaze
# rapid fulcrum yea :/

It's hard to judge it as good or bad. This is a museum displaying the crimes of the Japanese Imperial Army during the invasion of China.

rapid fulcrum
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I think a museum which tells that story and educates is always good

west talon
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meanwhile JHA runs on "trust me bro" proof

rapid fulcrum
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so we never forget

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Now I want to visit China

haughty spire
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Short of in-person competitions with verified hardware, there’s no real way to tell if someone’s cheating with their high scores

uneven ridge
haughty spire
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But like. There are dozens of 1cc runs on YouTube of any shmup and they’re all higher scores than twin galaxies. Most people just don’t care

uneven ridge
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just google knights of valour vs street fighter heh

neat blaze
# rapid fulcrum so we never forget

Also, I need to explain that Heilongjiang's economy is actually very poor compared to the rest of the country, but this video is indeed factual.

west talon
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twin galaxies is just beyond a joke for high scores

rapid fulcrum
haughty spire
neat blaze
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Sometimes you may not understand the reason for piracy in China many years ago. It was mainly due to exchange rates. In 2018, my monthly salary was still 3,000 RMB, but a genuine Microsoft operating system would cost me 1,000 RMB.

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A Japanese RPG costs 400 yuan.

loud ridge
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I didn't know of Twin Galaxcies till the King of Kong documentary

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with billie mitchel

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so they are actually a fruad?

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I thought that Nibbler high score was real

neat blaze
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But 3,000 yuan was completely enough for one person to live on at that time — of course, aside from the expenses for things like this.

uneven ridge
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some of my chinese friends told me they got paid yearly when they were in china before they moved here (AU), not sure if thats still a thing?

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as in 1 big paycheck per year

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ex huawei employees

neat blaze
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A lot of Chinese people don't get why they have to pay so much for foreign software. It's really because of the exchange rate.

formal imp
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is single ram core available? the github page is offline to check this.

formal imp
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link? i dont see any pin here for the link to download

quaint tide
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everyone is always in a hurry to get their work but then when the check is due wow are they slow af lol

neat blaze
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@formal imp here

compact citrus
dry venture
neat blaze
errant knot
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the analog fix update was posted late in the day yesterday, so unless you grabbed it a few hours before the repo got nuked, it might not have it lol

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at this rate, it might be better to just wait for wickerwaka

neat blaze
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Actually, I'm more interested in the cores made by JT (x

errant knot
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they have their hands full with #1453762839809491107

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thankfully they are making progress

neat blaze
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I actually still have an NEC PC98 laptop at home, but since I can't read Japanese, I just learned how to install the system and drivers, and then I tossed it aside.

tough magnet
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Ok, let’s pretend I’m Joe Asshole and I don’t know anything about IGS PGM. Why should I care when we have all these other arcade cores?

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Wow IGS PGM? Hah, did they forget to include the rest of the alphabet?

errant knot
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uhh because the games are really good

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some of the best content cave has ever produced

tough magnet
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Yeah what games, I’m Joe Asshole and I know my games.

obsidian rose
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Demon Front is a popular one.

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Cave shooters.

errant knot
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daioujou is considered by some to be the best ddp game, and ketsui is a perfect game (its also my favorite shmup)

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the side scrolling beat em ups are an interesting novelty

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and really only popular in CN, but by far THE best cave shooters are on pgm

neat blaze
lone wasp
neat blaze
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oh i mean you may

tough magnet
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If Joe don’t know, then those games blow

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That’s what I always say

lone wasp
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is Joe in the channel with us now?

tough magnet
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I am Joe Asshole and I only play Capcom and Konami games

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Who is this Cave

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Why are they hiding in a Cave?

lone wasp
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it's pronounced Cavé

rapid fulcrum
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You are all barbarians

tough magnet
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listen here bud, Barbarian is for the C64 and we are talking arcade

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I’m Joe Asshole and I know my games

autumn cedar
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Can post later if its wanted

lone wasp
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It's only a "Cave Bullet Hell" if it comes from the Cave HQ in Tokyo. Everywere else it's a "Sparkling SHMUP"

rapid fulcrum
tough magnet
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@errant knot you make an interesting list

rapid fulcrum
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bet you did not know that

tough magnet
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ok I concede

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You win, don’t hurt me

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So far all I heard is there’s a game called DDP which sounds like Double Donkey, and I can’t say the rest

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And some games that were made in a Cave

haughty spire
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Guys he’s trying to get you to slip up. Classic interrogation technique

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I want a lawyer

neat blaze
tough magnet
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oh my god, I know you’re being sincere but that’s a really good response lol

haughty spire
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And we love him for this

tough magnet
lone wasp
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I'm still hoping Robby renames himself to "Robby Asshole" in this server

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since he made me an ass man, after all

tough magnet
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@neat blaze I am doing this partly for entertainment but also to give people an excuse to demonstrate their amazing knowledge and love for these games.

errant knot
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it's ok, I have NO REMORSE when talking about ketsui

haughty spire
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Atari Teenage Riot?

neat blaze
lone wasp
errant knot
haughty spire
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Aha

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Shoulda done an EP together

errant knot
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As an aside, I like that IGS still has a website and it's relatively up to date

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they are still making games apparently

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next time I visit Taiwan, I may drop by their offices

haughty spire
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Yeah, still active

winged ivy
haughty spire
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My uncle makes soundtracks. I asked him how much it would cost to make the Spawn soundtrack today. He said:

errant knot
neat blaze
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Can I ask a question? Do you have the habit of saving money?

errant knot
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okami, the world is going to end, you can't take it with you

errant knot
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you should probably ask that question in #general-banter since thats the better place for that kind of discussion

shell hornet
neat blaze
haughty spire
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The first time I heard this in-game it gave me shivers

neat blaze
west talon
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the audio in that doj video is what the core should hopefully avoid, btw

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that sounds exactly like mame

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whereas the PCB sounds like it applies some sort of LPF, and the kick drums also sound punchier

errant knot
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that fool is playing ddp with a dual shock lol

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is he playing the ps2 version of the game

crimson storm
west talon
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no, that's the pcb

errant knot
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custom harness i take it

west talon
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yeah

errant knot
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thats wild

west talon
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he just prefers playing on pad for some reason lol

magic fractal
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Should be playing on hitbox

neat blaze
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I find that some channels on this server are hard to locate.🤣

haughty spire
light horizon
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threads kinda stinky imo

brazen jolt
haughty spire
loud ridge
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wanna see something sad?

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i cant play cameltry properly

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and i forgot to install a block button

crimson storm
loud ridge
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you ever hear Jake Kaufmans version? Its in the switch Dodonpachi 4 version

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whoops 5, Dia-Fukkasta

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best game in the series in my opinion

brazen jolt
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Remember that we do have a Taito F2 System thread!

errant knot
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wait....

last silo
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I've noticed some things in the Weird core that make me think it's a rather poor implementation, though I could be completely wrong since I don't own an original board. Aside from some slowdowns—which aren't massive but are definitely noticeable—I've also detected some input lag that is quite unusual for an FPGA core. In Demon Front, when I press the button to add a credit, I could smoke a whole cigarette between the button press and it actually showing up on screen

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Once more, I can be wrong

keen ibex
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when i saw the reddit thread about the core had 47 comments i knew there would be gold

last silo
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As a test it was fine, but I'm definitely going to wait for wickerwaka's core

polar siren
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Only tried three games so far. Rotate orientation works for you Cave fans.

winged ivy
polar siren
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Meant to post this somewhere else. Hello all, been a while. Looking forward to wickerwaka's finished core