Panasonic 3DO

[signal mango]

@real rapids

[gloomy flint]

Come to find I had it the whole time after going through this area….

[gloomy flint]

BTW, anyone point out that the sound is gone when playing in direct video mode on yesterday’s update? Or am I the only one? Stumbled on to it by accident when I tried to put the new ini from one of these threads on my MiSTer but forgot to take the .txt off so it loaded the 3DO core in 720p and the sound was fine. Fixed the ini so I got direct video back but now the sound is gone on the 3DO core.

Can’t be too arsed to look back at all the posts to find out.

[frank flicker]

Tested the newest SRG320 RBF on a CRT = Picture is shifted correctly horizontal on a CRT - no need for H Shift anymore 🙂 . Also a lot of sound pops & cracks are fixed 🙂 . Very nice. Now I need time to test more games 🙂 .

[waxen otter]

this was my issue, with DV1 + RT4K. my solution was to grab the ini file from the RT4K+MiSTer wiki, linked above. got my sound back.

[waxen otter]

https://consolemods.org/wiki/AV:RetroTINK-4K/System_Specific_Settings#MiSTer.ini_File

[orchid lance]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-ducks-pool-happy-excited-gif-7162403122042850822

Looking at the Index 02 games list, I have a question.
For example, "Alone In the Dark" is in the list under the "Japan" label.
Does that mean that the USA and European versions do NOT use Index 02?

[gloomy flint]

https://youtu.be/p4_qmZPdZcI?si=lbOq09XQWcsEAtHp

[urban ivy]

Redownloaded boot.rom and kanji.rom with update_all. Still not loading the kanji font. Using the 4-2 version of the core.

[covert wagon]

this is why 9/10 people give up on Killing Time. The RSVP

a key in a maze was not the best way to kick the game off

[urban ivy]

If I load Warner Music Group, the kanji font loads, but any other game it doesn't load. Now I'm really confused

[dire sinew]

Correct

[marble jetty]

Yeah that was a fucking shit show

[covert wagon]

you mean elevation?

because Killing Time has stairs so...go play!

[dire sinew]

But can you go under what you’re going over? I remember that being that being the big thing about dark forces: it was “true” 3d, rather than “trick” 2d like doom

This is important and will determine whether or not I enjoy killing time

[marble jetty]

Was that done through sector portals?

[ionic plank]

It’s been a little, but I think one of the enemies drops one?

[dire sinew]

No idea. I just read next gen

[ionic plank]

In that area that is

[covert wagon]

@real rapids

3DO MAPS HAVE HIT THE REMASTER ON STEAM

[untold fog]

3DO Maps?

[ionic plank]

The PC version of of killing time, and by extension the remaster, had a completely different map layout

And IMO the 3DO version’s maps were more fun

It’s basically a completely different campaign between the two

[covert wagon]

I mean serious how did 3DO suddenly just HAPPEN in 2026 🤣

[marble jetty]

Pretty sure the MiSTer core influences that

[covert wagon]

3DO wins

[marble jetty]

I am angry at this fact

[covert wagon]

This feeling of getting the 3DO version of Killing Time in the remaster must be what its like for you when you see a train

[signal herald]

If the 3do was so good, why wasn’t there a 3do 2? 😉

[marble jetty]

haha gottem

[empty valley]

Oh no, you may have just activated AWBacon to tell us how great the 3DO M2 is lol

[marble jetty]

fukkn 3DO nerds

“oh wow Gex is so cool!”

“have you played killing time???”

[signal herald]

We all know those are fake…he pays his industry friends with YouTube money to do renders

[marble jetty]

“m2 was so powerful and sexy!”

“I stalk trip Hawkins at his retirement home!”

[empty valley]

We don't need to hear about how great Total Vice and Battle Tryst are

[covert wagon]

Have you Played Borderlands 5: Gabagool Nitrate Boogaloo?

[covert wagon]

the only trip I know is when I tripped and fell into your mother one time

[marble jetty]

if it were 3DO that would be like 3fps huehuehuehue

[covert wagon]

you should be used to 3's. 3" I mean

one day ill meet you in person @marble jetty and I insist this is how it goes

[untold fog]

Well, the 3DO version of Gex is the only one that had save support... (I have no idea how they managed to not have saving on the PC version of all things, it was a Windows 95 game! Every system capapible of playing it had a hard drive, and even a CD-ROM drive! How do you have passwords only when the original version of the game could save?)

[untold fog]

???

[empty valley]

He’s saying Trip Hawkins solved a crucial problem Sega and Sony couldn’t. Giving Gex save capabilities on his platform. All hail Mr. Hawkins!

[fossil sorrel]

I said "3D oh my gaaaawwd!"

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-beastie-boys-shake-your-rump-peace-thats-right-gif-17111369

[real rapids]

Ahhh! But I have it on PS5!

[untold fog]

IIRC Gex launched on the 3DO, I think it was more the people porting it being too lazy to adapt the save system to differnet hardware 😛

There was really no excuse. PS1 had memory cards, Saturn had internal storage like the 3DO, and PC... do I need to explain why it would be a joke to be able to save progress in a Windows 95 game? It wasn't a DOS or even Wiundows 3.1 title, no system running Windows 95 would have not had a harddrive, the game came on a CD too so these weren't ancient Win95 9for the time) systems running it either 😛

[covert wagon]

I think its for all platforms today

[real rapids]

Well dang, I'll be firing that one up today! I was just playing it on the core for a bit yesterday.

[untold fog]

Shame though, the save screen had a neat graphic

[empty valley]

Oh yeah I know I'm trolling 😉 But yeah no saves on PSX was ludicrous with memory cards. Thankfully Robert gave us save states

[untold fog]

Yeah, and the PSX is the last ludicrous one, not having one on the console with internal storage, or on a Windows95 pc was insane.

[covert wagon]

haha same. Was perfect for my vid tomorrow

[sharp pendant]

I purged a few more duplicates from the sheet, hopefully that is the last of them

[bitter lodge]

I tried to play more Killing Time, might be top 10 worst shooters made.

[sharp pendant]

ESPN Fitness Pros - Step Aerobics (USA) playing fine, maybe a bit of audio corruption/distrotion. This one is a real time capsule, some banging house music in this

The ESPN ones are cosy tests for anyone looking for something running on their second screen while doing something else

Surprised nobody has tested Cannon Fodder yet...

[burnt haven]

Yeah Gex saves on 3DO but it has that horrible screen center snapping and 30fps.

[rose wolf]

I think I have to do this as well. I updated my mister this morning and it started auto-muting on multiple cores after a minute or so spent in each one

[fossil sorrel]

We need to flood the zone with 3DO news!

It will disorient Trump!

And discombobulate the ayatollah!

[urban ivy]

Varying volume levels between games is normal at the moment, right?

[karmic basin]

3DO levels are live on console, @real rapids

[real rapids]

I just played it for a bit!

Going from like 10fps in the core yesterday to 120fps today is certainly a shock!

Been stomping ducks left and right.

[karmic basin]

As intended.

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[covert wagon]

M3DOGA : make 3DO great again

[lilac knoll]

So are there any actual worthwhile 3DO exclusives to commit to playing enough for me to swap back into my dual ram setup ? 🤔

[real rapids]

Need for Speed is fantastic. And is very different than any of the ports that came later.

[lilac knoll]

Was need for speed not on psx?

[real rapids]

It's on PC, Saturn, and PS1 yes. But those ports are radically different.

[lilac knoll]

Ah ok

[orchid lance]

I also like Total Eclipse, the PSX version is pretty broken and unplayable because it runs too fast

[real rapids]

They changed the visuals a lot and dramatically sped up the gameplay. But the courses were not really designed for that speed, so they're pretty flawed in my opinion.

Yep. Same problem as Need for Speed.

[orchid lance]

Yes

Also, they f-ed Rayman on PSX/Saturn, Jaguar version is at least playable with a good difficulty

[real rapids]

I know not many will agree with me, but I also have quite a lot of fun with Crash 'n Burn.

[orchid lance]

Ah, I also find that one very fun and mindless 😄

And music is great

[real rapids]

Twisted is a great multiplayer game too.

[orchid lance]

Ah, didn't know about that one.. I already like it since I see that it has digitized people on artificial backgrounds, which is an 80-90's thing in videogames that still fascinates me

[gloomy flint]

Can confirm that copying and pasting the MiSTer.ini from ConsoleMods into a new file and copying over to the microSD fixed the no sound issue.

Only got around it an hour ago as it’s Good Friday over here plus I was feeling sick this morning. So got to it after we watched the Procession pass my house

[dire sinew]

Can you guys do a diff on those inis? I’m curious what was gumming up the works

[gloomy flint]

I think I have my old one here somewhere with the new if you want to compare

EDIT: I do! Here ya go. Only thing I added to my old was setting the menu to not use Direct Video. But otherwise didn’t change it since November of last year.

[weary rain]

i think that’s why they added Turbo to it, the game speed was broken so they just made it a feature

[tiny marsh]

Differences for @dire sinew

< composite_sync=0       ; set to 1 for composite sync on HSync signal of VGA output.
> composite_sync=1       ; set to 1 for composite sync on HSync signal of VGA output.
< font=font/Misc_NES.pf
> font=font/myfont.pf
< video_mode=0
> ;video_mode=0
< hdmi_game_mode=1
> ;hdmi_game_mode=1
> [ao486]
> forced_scandoubler=0
> vga_scaler=1
> direct_video=0
>
> [video=320x200]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=320,200,60
>
> [video=640x200]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=640,200,60
>
> [video=320x350]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=320,350,60
>
> [video=640x350]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=640,350,60
>
> [video=720x350]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=720,350,60
>
> [video=320x400]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=320,400,60
>
> [video=640x400]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=640,400,60
>
> [video=720x400]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=720,400,60
>
> [video=640x480]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=640,480,60
>
> [video=800x600]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=800,600,60
>
> [video=1024x768]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=1024,768,60
>
>
> [X68000]
> forced_scandoubler=0
> vga_scaler=1
> direct_video=0
>
> [video=256x240]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=256,240,60
>
> [video=256x256]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=256,256,60
>
> [video=512x240]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=512,240,60
>
> [video=512x256]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=512,256,60
>
> [video=512x512]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=512,512,60
>
> [video=640x480]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=640,480,60
>
> [video=768x512]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=768,512,60
>
> [video=1024x1024]
> vscale_mode=1
> video_mode=1024,1024,60

[dire sinew]

Maybe hdmi game mode? That’s weird

[spring basin]

ya'll gotta use unified diff output

[urban ivy]

Anyone having trouble with Quarantine? Only one of the versions is working for me.

[storm moth]

Which one works?

[urban ivy]

RE is working for me. RE2 and RE3 are going to black screen after the 3DO logo

[storm moth]

Ok i'm experiencing the same thing too

I'll throw it on test list. Wonder if they're unencrypted or something

[urban ivy]

Could be

thanks for checking

[storm moth]

No problem, good to know

[cobalt zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-madam-kramer-george-costanza-gif-16500671460563851982

[covert wagon]

its pure jank fun

[real rapids]

It was also the only game available when I got my 3DO!

It was Crash 'n Burn or bust!

[lilac knoll]

Need to set aside some mister time to get this going

[storm moth]

I've been playing gex lol, got through the first couple worlds so far

[brittle ridge]

My question is, can it play redbook audio CDs in bin/cue or CHD format, like other cores can? And if so, are there any issues? The PCEngine CD core has my favorite CD player GUI so far of all the CD-based systems, but I am always open to trying others. (Didn't really care for Sega CD's or Sega Saturn's CD player GUIs, but I love the PlayStation's PSOne BIOS' CD player GUI.)

[ivory ingot]

If you've already got Redbook audio images why not try it out and see if it works?

[astral nova]

I tried it, the player came up but never started playing. The image played in the Mega CD and Turbografx cores, the latter even played CD-G properly. The image was taken from the Rock Paintings disc which came with my model 1 Sega CD.

[real rapids]

The 3DO core does not support audio CDs yet.

[covert wagon]

but it supports 3DO games so that makes it the best core we have

"MiSTer FPGA: Its an FPGA 3DO console...also it play other shit but who cares"

[real rapids]

This is true. But I did use it to play a photo CD we had made of our vacation photos back in the day!

[covert wagon]

I think we really need to rename the entire ecosystem to "MiSTer 3DO FPGA"

[sharp pendant]

If srg320 implements Photo CD in the core and we have another way to experience the majesty of the Photo CD format then that will be MiSTer Endgame.

[ionic plank]

Analogue CEO is shaking in fear because they don’t have anything to compete with 3DO

[sharp pendant]

Do we know how much of the FPGA resources the core is currently using?

[empty valley]

https://tenor.com/view/panasonic-3do-console-wars-toy-box-baby-games-super-nintendo-entertainment-system-gif-18327272376180857973

3DO is for R.E.A.L. serious gamers. Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis are toys for the weenies

[silent oak]

Killing Time is very grueling on difficulties above Easy but it's very far from the "worst"

exploding crates and the sewers area can kiss my butt

[distant grove]

He's never played that one fps on cdi and it shows

[ionic plank]

Easy mode makes the game way more enjoyable tbh

[orchid lance]

BC Racers sure has some RPG-like framerate sections, but oh man is it's music AWESOME! 😮

It sounds like some kind of caveman trance stuff that has me dancing while my brian is trying to win the races at 5 frames per second

[covert wagon]

It happened...our beloved 3DO has been resurrected! @real rapids wait til tomorrow!

3DO rises from the grave 🤣

@distant grove probably should add this to your website somewhere lolol

[distant grove]

Easter egg time

[lilac knoll]

You think Jesus had a crt in his tomb setup?

[dire sinew]

does the pop shit in the woods?

[signal mango]

He definitely wasn't playing 3do on an oled

[visual sonnet]

retro gaming on an OLED is amazing

cant ever go back

[gloomy flint]

I’ll see your 3DO Jesus and raise you SUPER SAIYAN JESUS!

[weary rain]

does saving work on the latest version of this core

[dire sinew]

yes it should

[weary rain]

I just updated my unstable main

so let’s see

Yes it does

[real rapids]

The 3DO renaissance is upon us!

[vapid agate]

It's so funny to me that the 3do is getting all this coverage and praise as of late, and it makes me wonder why it took so long to have someone finally decide to hunker down and develop on it

Like we could have had a 3do renaissance like 3 years ago

[cobalt zephyr]

3DO, Virtual Boy, CPS3, what a time to be alive

[zenith dragon]

Wondering what’s coming next: new or revised Mega CD and Master System cores? An N64 DD core?

[umbral charm]

PGM core.

[real rapids]

Wickerwaka doing the shmup lord's work.

[vapid swallow]

A genesis core with save states is my dream

[ashen palm]

It's nice to be able to appreciate it now, but $700 for a 3DO at launch was insane. Even later with a price reduction the $300 PlayStation still ate it's lunch.

[real rapids]

I got my 3DO at launch...

I Crashed 'n Burned the night away!

[ashen palm]

Haha woah - I had just gotten SNES in 1993 for Xmas (probably heavily discounted). My parents probably got mad at me for wanting a 64 in 1997.
"We just bought you that Nintendo a few years ago!"

[storm moth]

I didn't know the 3DO existed until AVGN made an episode about it in 2009, I've never seen one out in the wild

[cobalt zephyr]

I remember the hype then later the mockery when it came out lol

[ashen palm]

I saw one at a kids house in like 1998-99 and not knowing what it was, but the controllers not having analog sticks clued me in to it's age. I think we just played Gex for a little bit but sad to say, it didn't sell me (although Yoshi's Story on the N64, which we also played, is basically a 3DO game lol)

[cobalt zephyr]

there was some game, Way of the Warrior maybe? Where some gaming magazine said the controls were so laggy or something that they weren't sure if it was the game or the controller, so they got ahold of an adapter to use a SNES controller on 3DO and I guess it was just the game lol

[cobalt zephyr]

I low key hate Yoshi's Story. It's responsible for giving Yoshi that super awful asthmatic wheeze

[vapid agate]

My white whale would be a pcfx core. I even added art on my mister arcade stick of it

When I made this artwork, I put as many supported consoles on mister project at the time

But,the pcfx is just me putting good vibes into the universe

[burnt haven]

PC-FX is being developed though.

[vapid agate]

I know! Waiting for that stable

[burnt haven]

Oh ok, lol. Sorry, I didn't go next too far

[vapid agate]

The little engine that could

[burnt haven]

Pretty awesome to see all these developers killing it.

[gloomy flint]

I mean….considering the fact that when I first got a MiSTer back when it could only really play 8 and 16 bit stuff (I don’t even think the PC Engine CD was even in development yet let alone MegaCD) and to now have my MiSTer Pi pretty much replace all my consoles going from the beginning to the N64 (which I more use my A3D for), it’s just insane. Still blows my mind when I see new stuff be added to it, new features, new consoles. Never thought I’d ever see Jaguar, 3DO, and CD-i on there.

It blows my mind the same as when I was doing the WWF videos for various sites and the realization that an entire bookshelf of video tapes was able to fit onto an external drive that was no bigger than a Game Boy. And that was in 2017-2018. The MiSTer gives me that same feeling.

[empty valley]

Kid me would be absolutely mindblown by the notion that you could fit every console video game from the 20th century on a micro-SD card the size of my fingernail

[covert wagon]

You wouldn’t download a console would you? (Yes. Yes damn it we would! 🤣)

[empty valley]

Pretty crazy when you look at the RBFs file sizes. Who knew that the N64 and PSX hardware would only be ~4 MBs in size

[sick moth]

Has anyone had a chance to compare the latest MK2 3DO project running on MiSTer vs real hardware?

[astral nova]

I tried V11 on both. I didn't notice significant differences, but I'm not very good at those types of games so I didn't make it far.

[sick moth]

I've noticed some strange behavior on my part on MiSTer, and I want to know if it happens on real hardware as well since the developer just announced that version 12 will be the final version outside of bugs and glitches.

[astral nova]

If you can describe the behavior, I can look for it on my FZ-1.

I thought V11 was to be the final version, but I don't follow it closely.

[sick moth]

Great, stuff I found so far:

• Severe slowdown on some stages (Armory, Tower, Goro's Lair)
• If you do Raiden's torpedo (b, b, f) on a teleporting Mileena (f, f, lk) she will fly to the edge of the screen stuck on falling animation for a while.
• If an opponent walks all the way to either edge of the screen, Johnny Cage's shadow uppercut (b, d, b, hp) won't hit if opponent is blocking.

[sick moth]

He just announced it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01QgDE1sJ7E&t=3s

[astral nova]

I can try, admittedly I wasn't able to get most of the "special moves" working on either the MiSTer core or the FZ-1.

I doubt I'll make it far enough to see those stages either 🤷‍♀️

[sick moth]

You can just play versus mode with the CPU and select the stages directly.

[astral nova]

That sounds like it can work! I'll look into it this evening, I never tried anything but the first option.

[sick moth]

Thanks, let me know what you find!

[frank flicker]

64DD is working on the N64 core already ???

[real rapids]

It isn't. Just conversion carts.

[frank flicker]

Ah OK - never looked really into it since I find the 64DD library pretty uninteresting 😛 .

[sinful cliff]

Trying out the 3DO core, and I noticed that on the left side on the screen there is a blank column. Is that intentional or a core bug?

[untold fog]

Mattel Hyperscan core

[sinful cliff]

I'm going to safely assume the broken sound is a known issue?

[hoary lichen]

Came here to ask about the same thing 🤡

No sound at all when it previously worked on the March version

[dire sinew]

I know this is going to sound silly, but try the ini pinned in the mister channel of the tink discord

[dire sinew]

Let me get you the ini

[hoary lichen]

I was using it, though with 96Khz turned on since my Sony TV is fine with that.
Turning off Direct Video wound up fixing it, and hopefully that's a bug that gets fixed before releasing officially.

[dire sinew]

I'm using direct video and I have sound. Do you have game mode enabled on your ini?

[dire sinew]

try this one just for poops and grins

[sinful cliff]

I get sound, it's just that its very crunchy.

[hoary lichen]

I do not have it on. 🤔

[sinful cliff]

Seems like the bug is related to the 96Hz. I know its a bug since other cores work fine with it.

Is srg aware of this? Should I report this somewhere?

[dire sinew]

#1329170138234097745 message

[dire sinew]

Oh that could be

SRG reads the channel, so he will see this

This was the difference of inis for a user who had no sound and then swapped inis #1329170138234097745 message

maybe video mode? I have no idea. it's a weird bug

[sinful cliff]

I'm using the direct mode and then feeding to my Morph 4K to scale the image to 4K.

No idea if using the inernal scaler makes a difference.

[dire sinew]

the crunchy sound may be a 96kHz thing

I thought you didn't have any sound too

but crunch may be 96kHz

[sinful cliff]

Okay so it looks like it's a bug with direct video and the 96Hz. When I used the MiSTer's built-in scaler, the sound worked properly with 96Hz.

[dire sinew]

weeeirds

[sinful cliff]

(Warning: loud sound)

This is what it sounds on my end with 96hz and Direct Video

[hoary lichen]

Direct Video with 48Khz is working for sound.
So seems like it's when 96Khz and DV1 are combined that an issue happens.

[astral nova]

So I saw slowdown on Goro's Lair and the Tower on the MiSTer core, although I didn't see it on the Armory stage. On the FZ-1 I didn't see the slowdown at all.

I don't think I'm capable of testing the special move conditions, Mileena seemingly never came up when I tried a Versus against Raiden and I ended up losing the round before I could get Johnny Cage's special move to come out at all. It's better to get someone who likes these kinds of games to test it.

[crisp zealot]

I don't know much about video signals and their processing (scaler, gamma, etc.). That's why I consult with Sorgelig on these things. He says that for the video to work properly, the video clock must be at least 4x the pixel clock. I didn't know that, so I only set it to 2x. I think doubling the video clock will fix all or most of the problems.

[fallen stratus]

haha wtf. this is probably old news that I didnt know, but Im playing MK2 v12 and Mileena just turned me into a character from Way of the Warrior and instead of "Fatality" it sayd "R-E-A-L ality"

[distant grove]

The dev hated babalities so he replaced them with Realalities

Opponent gets turned into a random 3do reference

Not random, as in different every time, but random as in there is a bunch of different references, not just one

[sharp pendant]

Will it be possible to do what the ODEs do to bypass the RSA check and allow for unencrypted images to be played? There are a few that don't boot because of this, and apparently in the past people had to run a nonRSA BIOS to load them (but the ODEs implemented a means of using a regular BIOS and bypassing RSA issue)

[crisp zealot]

I don't know. I need to figure out how it works first. With the right information, anything is possible. But that's a lower priority.

[sharp pendant]

Nice. Maybe @distant grove has more info, for when time comes to look at it

[distant grove]

Hi

https://3dodev.com/documentation/encryption/opera/encryption_keys

Not sure if this would aid the rsa check bypass but it should

[distant grove]

Fortunately my autism picked 3do to reestablish and reform a centralized community around.

Also props to trapexit for pretty much all the info organized on 3dodev.com . He's the one that put that site together

[real rapids]

You were led by the blessed Trip Hawkins to build this community.

[surreal adder]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-games-gaming-retro-arcade-gif-8061933

[tender crystal]

I do what I can 😉

[urban ivy]

So am I still the only one that is having issues with the kanji rom not loading? If I load the Warner Music Group disc, the kanji rom auto loads. If I load any other game, it does not load. I want to try to test some games a bit deeper for the test sheet, but I don't want to skew the results if my setup is not set up or working correctly.

[storm moth]

It is only like 4 or 5 games that require it and some games will default to japanese if it's loaded but i've only come across 2 that do that

[ivory ingot]

How about Twinkle Knights?

[urban ivy]

Yeah I see that, I just don't know if there is something deeper that is causing the issue that may effect other games. What;s wierd is Primal Rage and I think Rise of the Robots load, I don't get the message the kanji font has loaded, but the games show in Japanese. But if I load Sword and Sorcery, I get the Kanji missing error screen.

[ivory ingot]

Like you see kanji.rom loading when you load Twinkle Knights but not the others?

[urban ivy]

Twinkle Knights beeped 3 times at me, then showed a cutscene of a girl talking, then game over screen, then just starts a loop.

[ivory ingot]

That happened to me before when I was running an older version of the core

[urban ivy]

The only game that shows the Kanji.rom loading is the Warner Music Group. The message doesn't come up on any other game at all.

[ivory ingot]

What version of the core are you running?

[urban ivy]

26.04.02

[ivory ingot]

Yeah I don't know what's up with your setup. You seem to be the only one who hasn't got a fully working setup and its weird

What version of MiSTer main is running with the 3DO core? If you open the OSD, press right, then About

[urban ivy]

Yeah It's driving me nuts. Saves work, everything seems to load correctly, and it seems like some games detect it even though the load screen doesn;t show, and other games don't seem to detect it at all

[crisp zealot]

Please provide the full paths to the kanji.rom, Warner Music Group and Twinkle Knights.

[ivory ingot]

I also don't understand how Warner Music Group is even trying to load kanji.rom, that's a US disc and nobody here (that I know of) has gotten past its blank/black screen

[urban ivy]

games/3DO/kanji.rom, games/3DO/Warner Music Group (USA), and games/3DO/02 - Japan/Twinkly Knights (USA)

[urban ivy]

its just loading a black screen for me as well but it does show the kanji.rom loading bar

[crisp zealot]

From README: "Rename the kanji.bin file to kanji.rom and place it in the game folder or parent folder."

[urban ivy]

Isn't the 3DO folder the correct folder? Thats where the boot.rom is

[ivory ingot]

Twinkly Knights (USA)? Is that right? It should be (Japan)

Where did you get your CD images from?

Also its called Twinkle Knights

[urban ivy]

Sorry yes it is Japan. I just realized from SRG320's message. I put the rom in the Sword and Sorcery folder and it loaded it. I had it with the boot.rom. Thanks @crisp zealot and @ivory ingot for the help!!

Kanji rom is loading correctly now. Thanks again @crisp zealot for your awesome work on the core!!

[crisp zealot]

Let me try to explain with an example. For example, the path to a game: “3DO/1/2/3/4/Game”. Here, “Game” is the game folder, and “4” is the parent folder. kanji.rom is searched for in the “Game” and “4” folders. boot.rom is searched for in the “Game”, "4", and “3DO” folders.

[urban ivy]

Perfect explination. I figured I was doing something wrong but couldn't figure out what.

I placed it in the Japan folder and it is loading correctly for those games now

[crisp zealot]

That was the whole idea.

[tribal sandal]

@crisp zealot will we eventually get to see the bios screen like in this video or is that not going to be possible, no big deal if not I was just curious. https://youtu.be/gjDlCjLOtS0?si=OHZtgvpcPwUYHjwM

[paper totem]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS CORE!

[crisp zealot]

The BIOS program was running during the initial development phase, before I added CD-ROM support. I need to figure out the status bits that indicate the lack of a disc and launch the app. But this is a low priority.

[tribal sandal]

Thanks for the update. The 3DO core is excellent

@sharp pendant how do bug reports work do people just tell you? I wanted to report on Road Rash but I need to do further testing because it’s my own rip so would rather use redump to see if I get the same results. So far I just have a sound glitch when you get hit or fall off the bike and on stages such as pacific highway there are the rare graphical glitch across the screen.

[forest lichen]

single ram!

[dire sinew]

well well well

[empty valley]

Big L today for us dual ram elitists

Lol happy to see we have single ram as an option now

[tribal sandal]

I wonder if there are any performance differences between single and dual?

[brazen sandal]

We will see, but i don't think so much and maybe none.

[dire sinew]

there is no dual ram version in the repo any longer

[empty valley]

That's an exciting development. I'm guessing that means srg320 found a way to fit the entire core into single RAM with no compromises

[sinful cliff]

I'll have to check if the blank column on the left was fixed. That has been annoying me since I tried the core two days ago.

For context: #1329170138234097745 message

[dire sinew]

he had the clock wrong for DV, so we will see if the corrected version fixes that

[storm moth]

Gex is completable on the current dual ram build lol. Looking forward to seeing how the single ram build works

[dire sinew]

they'll print anything these days

[sinful cliff]

So I guess there's no benefit to the 3DO core having dual RAM now?

[fossil sorrel]

The jag core

Some improved performance for the Satrn core in some games

The single ram 3DO core ain't tested yet broseppie

[tiny marsh]

It ain’t over yet!

While ever Jaguar and Saturn are better on Dual RAM, the elitists will still lord it over you all

[sharp pendant]

Warner Music Group is the one title that shouldn't be loading for anyone, as it is unencrypted. You aren't using the BIOS in the BIOS DB are you?

Year zero your Saturn files and let BIOS DB grab them

[iron sigil]

i'm excited to toy with the single ram! but also not super up to speed on how one taps in. i'm guessing there's a waiting period between this commit and having an RBF to play with? sorry for my limited knowledge here.

[dire sinew]

I'm cooking cores right now. the base seed didn't meet timing, so I am seeing if any others do

If I get one that meets timings, and SRG is ok with me sharing it, I will

[iron sigil]

rock and roll

hate to sound like that "hey hurry up and implement this feature i want! should be easy!" guy. not my goal, i know this is painstaking work. expressing nothing but appreciation for our lord and savior srg320 and the collective lot of ya.

[umbral charm]

I'm cooking too.

And I wasn't alavailable until a moment ago.

[iron sigil]

so, compiling from the source code he shared? i'm just asking out of curiosity, i didn't know that was a step.

[umbral charm]

Yes, and finding the best settings as possible.

[sharp pendant]

If you can log any testing and issues on the testing sheet linked in the pins, but we are testing against Redump so need to be verified in that dump. Any help testing is much appreciated 🙂

[dire sinew]

FPGA cores are weird because the same code can compile slightly differently depending on the starting point.

I'll give you the spiel quickly: The code is a map, the core is the destination on that map, and the seed is the starting point. So depending on where on the map you start (your house, the store, etc) you will take a different route to your destination. Sometimes that route is super smooth, other times you run into construction and get to your destination late. We build multiple cores simultaneously, using different seeds, to find the best route

[iron sigil]

gotcha. so it's like running a node graph multiple times with a different random seed at the start to see which random seed looks nicest. (except it's not quite random like it is in VFX.)

[dire sinew]

yeah, exactly

and, with the way FPGA stuff works, as long as the core meets timing (arrives at it's destination) it should work identically across all de10 nanos, so that's what we shoot for

"we" says the guy who just presses the build button

https://tenor.com/YqCL.gif

I am protected

[umbral charm]

OKay, the core works on the SuperStation and the MiSTer Pi.

I have a slight slack on timing, I will wait if we could have a even better one.

[ashen palm]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-j-fry-press-button-gif-4770685

[dire sinew]

Building 20 cores atm

[umbral charm]

But we have it, folks!

[dire sinew]

@crisp zealot given there is no longer a dual ram build of the core, are you feeling good about the single ram performance?

[turbid glade]

you are a factory 😅

[dire sinew]

Just a valor thief

https://tenor.com/bbK2F.gif

[umbral charm]

Samurai Shodown crashed on me on the SS1, I will check with a second system.

Give up.
Illegal instruction.

[crisp zealot]

This does not affect performance.

[umbral charm]

Policenauts works great so far.

[umbral charm]

Mortal Kombat II (Version 12) works quite right too.

[dire sinew]

is Version 12 available?

I thought v11 was the latest

[ashen palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01QgDE1sJ7E

[dire sinew]

Oh! I foolishly thought that was just an announcement that v12 was coming

[tribal sandal]

I’ve been meaning to try that, I like the idea of an improvement on the DooM we have

[umbral charm]

@dire sinew
Could you test Samurai Shodown and Super Street Fighter II later on your end with a single-RAM system?

I'm getting the same crash with an illegal instruction on my MiSTer Pi and SS1, but the same core and USB drive containing the 3DO games work on my dual-RAM systems.

[dire sinew]

yup yup, will do

[covert wagon]

single ram. Fancy!

that sounds horrifying

[tiny marsh]

False. It’s a genius invention!

No longer will I need to wrestle it out of a can!

[grim goblet]

I wonder how many people bought dual ram just for the 3DO core because they were incredibly impatient, and probably haven't even received it yet

[covert wagon]

ugh I have no space for a 3DO vid lol

I should just run a testing video with the title "Now SINGLE RAM core" and change the description to say "single ram added after recording" lol

[tiny marsh]

Imagine not already having dual ram

[umbral charm]

OK, I made some update on my part of the testing sheet.
A little bit of office clean-up.

[tiny marsh]

I’ll be honest - if 3DO were the only core that required/benefitted from dual ram, I’d have stayed with single ram. I got it for the Saturn

(The Jaguar working better with it is a nice bonus too though)

[dire sinew]

If you're not using analog output, and you have 28 dollars, you should buy a second ram stick

[tiny marsh]

Dual has gone. Single is the future

So just retest and look for regressions

No need for a second sheet

[covert wagon]

I havent captured it yet

ill run a bonus testing vid at 8 tonight and let people know in the title and text we have single ram now

do people want Blade Force/Doctor Hauzer/Captain Quazar and EFFM, PO'ed, D, Casper and Lucinnes Quest OR SFII, Road Rash, Policenauts and Terminus

[fossil sorrel]

Single-ram flavoured Pringles!

Single-ram and cheese!!

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

Single ramburger

And chips

[real rapids]

I guess everyone can take their extra stick of RAM and ram it up their....MiSTer! Dual RAM shall never die!

[tiny marsh]

If dual ram does die, then my dual ram just gets upgraded to be dual-MiSTers

[covert wagon]

ok 3DO testing video with a single ram title scheduled as a bonus for 8pm today

[zenith dragon]

The single ram build was already published?

[real rapids]

Dat prime time spot.

[dire sinew]

Gonna cook a bunch of builds since none of the 20 I just did met timing. This was the closest. Not going to put it in any repos because I want to see if we can hit one that meets timing

[round tangle]

Doctor H

[covert wagon]

It will be by 8pm

[real rapids]

Wish I could build the core. 🥲

[covert wagon]

I cant F'ing keep up with the schedule

everything happens all at once and I am literally drowning in shit I have to push

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/get-to-work-work-simpsons-smithers-trendizisst-gif-15496843

Time for a 4 video per day schedule!

[covert wagon]

3 is the max for notifications

I may start sending the "died on the vine" videos to Patreon as members only shit

[sharp pendant]

Added the new rbf to WIP DB. Left the old one in so people have it for reference to compare against for any issues found

[covert wagon]

thats the 4pm vid today and as much as I love our beloved 3DO it cant beat Zelda

[dire sinew]

The algorithm yearns for decomps

[covert wagon]

sadly FPGA is pretty low mid lately

there we go

[dire sinew]

Samsho ok here. But there is a graphical error (unsure if it’s on dual ram)

[sinful cliff]

Didn't know MissingNo. was in the game.

[real rapids]

Yeah, Samsho is looking much better now, but still some "boxes" of curruption on my end. The character sprites actually look correct now though.

[umbral charm]

I saw it on the Dual RAM.

I will redo the tests with your core version.

Thanks.

[real rapids]

Super Street Fighter II Turbo is working fine on my end. (using a dual ram MiSTer)

[dire sinew]

all three turbo versions boot and give me an attract screen on a single ram machine

[umbral charm]

Illegal instruction on my side with the SS1...

[real rapids]

I would assume it doesn't matter if the MiSTer is dual ram or not though correct? Since the core is now only looking for single ram?

[dire sinew]

let me try my ss1

[covert wagon]

Id imagine it ignores the second ram stick like every other core we run on dual ram

[dire sinew]

Bad image maybe?

[umbral charm]

The same image with the same USB stick works fine on the Dual RAM.
Strange, but I will check.

[umbral charm]

Okay, thanks for the tests.

[vapid agate]

did you seriously hook up every video signal you have rofl

thats incredible haha

i wanna set something up like that on my end where my pc desk is, i think i have enough space to slot in my pvm

[dire sinew]

That’s why I love subcarrier shit man

I can check every signal except ypbpr. It’s great. I only had a couple subcarrier things so it’s nice that the ss1 adopted it

[umbral charm]

Still nothing, illegal instruction.
The core is correct, the disc mags are correct, the USB stick works on my other games and systems.

[dire sinew]

on your mister pi too, yeah?

let me try a mister pi

When does the illegal instruction pop? Do you even get an attract mode?

Does anyone have Street Fighter 2 Turbo standard, not RE1 or RE2?

[forest lichen]

yes

[dire sinew]

load it up, and then see if you can load another game once it's in the attract screen

[forest lichen]

no prob , one sec.

[dire sinew]

I was able to reproduce that on 2 misters, but only with that version

[crisp zealot]

Is there any information about sdram used there?

[forest lichen]

Works fine

[dire sinew]

weird

[forest lichen]

I tried few times

Bin/cue

[round tangle]

I tried doctor hauzer, opened a random door, fell down a hole, and died

[dire sinew]

yeah, same

[covert wagon]

working as intended lol

[dark otter]

I'm just here to say the 3DO core is progressing along nicely and it's amazing but will we ever get CHD support anytime soon?

[forest lichen]

Chd works ok

unless not yet 😄

[dire sinew]

I'm pretty sure they do

[forest lichen]

ok great 🙂

[dark otter]

Just tried it and it works fine, thank you!! 👍

[umbral charm]

Just the 3DO logo.
And after around 10 secs.
Give up.
Illegal instruction spam.

I can boot the games with my MiSTer Pi if I load the core from the SD coming from the SS1 and the same USB stick.

[umbral charm]

I will check within a moment.

Not mine, but same PCB from retroRGB owner.

https://etron.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/EM63B165TSBM_Rev-2.4.pdf

[spark tiger]

Just tested Super Street Fighter II Turbo via Single SD RAM Mister and couldn't see any issue. Very impressive!

[dire sinew]

hold on, let me open up my other SS1 and see if it's the same

zet, you have a blue one, yeah?

[forest lichen]

I wasn't familiar with this console at all; I didn't know I'd have so much fun with it

[naive siren]

I have a black ss1, v1.2.3 mobo looks to be same chip

[umbral charm]

Blue one 1.2.1 or 1.2.2.

1.2.2, just checked.

[dire sinew]

how can I see that?

[umbral charm]

You need to open it, it's just under the gold R² logo.

[dire sinew]

i just got mine, so I imagine they are 1.2.3+.

[dire sinew]

when did you get yours?

[umbral charm]

1.2.5 on the last revision.

[naive siren]

last monday, March 30th

[umbral charm]

But the changes were only for connectors, and speeding up the assembly of the console inside the case.

[dire sinew]

Ok, I got mine around then. A blue and a black

[dire sinew]

Taki likes to tweak stuff, so I’d like to see if we can find someone with your hard revision

[forest lichen]

The same memory is used in the SDRAM modules sold for Mister Pi

[dire sinew]

It’s like the tg16 core on batch 5 mister pis. Was that a bad batch? Or did he tweak something

[umbral charm]

TG16 works correctly on the SS1.

[dire sinew]

Oh you know who has an early one? @ashen palm

if you haven’t already, can you try the single ram 3do core and see is samsho and street fighter load

[ashen palm]

on the superstation or MiSTer Pi?

[umbral charm]

I even checked with the games on my Sandisk SD card directly, same results.
BIN/CUE, same hashes are Redump.

Some games will work fine, like Bust-A-Move or Mortal Kombat II - 3DO Edition.
But Gex will freeze on the 3DO logo, Samsho goes to an illegal instruction, same for SSF2 (on the 3 versions).

The same files -core, BIOS, games- work on my other MiSTer systems (official and clones).

[dire sinew]

Super station

[umbral charm]

OKay, found it for Gex.

The core tries to run at 1536p on HDMI with my screen and the core doesn't like that at all.

I will try my other games.

[dire sinew]

Weird, I think that’s working ok here. I’ll check my settings again

[urban ivy]

I am using the bios in the database. It is just booting to black screen, I didn't mean the game was running. Srg320 helped me sort the kanji.rom issue so all is running as intended now.

[umbral charm]

Touché.

It works if I force the resolution on MiSTer.ini.

720p, 1080p and 1440p are fine.

[dire sinew]

Oh so it was a commented out video_mode in the ini? but once you set 13, it works?

[sharp pendant]

The BIOS in the DB doesn't boot Warner Music Redump as it is unencrypted, which implies if you are using the Redump one then you are not using the BIOS we are and have a non RSA one

[umbral charm]

I just added

[3do] video_mode=8

And that's all. @dire sinew

[dire sinew]

but if you do 13 it fails?

[grim goblet]

Getting quite a lot of audio skipping in todays core in Ultraman and Nishimura Kyoutarou Travel Mystery

[dire sinew]

Since your mister is the only one that boots nishimura, this is a real suffering from success situation

[umbral charm]

And now, it doesn't work anymore...
I'm tired, long day.

[dire sinew]

If Copy Save has time, maybe we can reproduce it

[urban ivy]

What does it do on yours? Like I said it's just a black screen, it's not really loading in. The bios I have is from the db. I have checked the file hash and it matches what's listed in the pins. Downloader. I have checked the file hash

[ashen palm]

SamSho and Street Fighter works on my superstation with video_mode=8

I ran update_all and updated to the latest unstable main

[dire sinew]

what about video_mode=13?

or do you not have a 1536p screen?

[ashen palm]

I do - LG OLED

let me switch to it

[dull knot]

Wait, so the core is now fully working on single RAM? @tiny marsh please advise! 🤔

single "RMA" lol

[dire sinew]

yes, new core from today is single ram

I typed single out 4 times before I spelled it correctly

if you're wondering how my day is going

[dull knot]

That started like 6 years ago with me. When I turned 40

[umbral charm]

My SS1 is haunted and it's another MiSTery. 😅

[sharp pendant]

Sorry, I must have misread your earlier post, I thought you said Warner booted for you

[dull knot]

Hope you don't have to RMA it lol

[umbral charm]

Ah ah, I have it since 3 months and everything else works perfect, even Grandia on Saturn.

[ashen palm]

video_mode=13 works

[umbral charm]

If I want to play some 3DO, that will be Policenauts and it works at the moment.

[dire sinew]

hmm, it seems we have a haunted super station

[dull knot]

Should I tag Taki? 🤔

[dire sinew]

only if you want to get yelled at

[umbral charm]

I could tag him if REALLY necessary.

[untold fog]

Hey everyone, I had to give up analog but I am finally on a Dual-RAM setup now and I can finally test out this co-

[untold fog]

.... are you kidding me?

[covert wagon]

🤣

[untold fog]

Also the top part of my Pi case is cracked to hell now from having opened and closed it just three times, this thing does NOT like to fit properly >.<

[umbral charm]

I give up at the moment, need to do something else for the rest of my day.

[distant grove]

Single stick huh

[untold fog]

No CHD support yet right? I saw people talking about CHDs here but the menu only says bin/iso

[dire sinew]

I was pretty sure CHDs worked since day one

[ashen palm]

I'm using CHD

[untold fog]

Oh, better convert these then

[dire sinew]

not sure where this anti-CHD slander is coming from, but they work

[untold fog]

Not sure what to do about Brain Dead, it's a 2-cd game, but only one of the cds has a index 2

[umbral charm]

CHD support works.

[untold fog]

Would there be any issue with one disk being bin/cue and the other chd?

[empty valley]

I just made both discs for Braind Dead 13 bin/cue just for consistency sake and my own sanity lol

[distant grove]

Will it run .RAR and .ZIP?

.DAT anyone?

[empty valley]

I don't know about dat

[distant grove]

Save it for the CDi core buddy

[pearl tendon]

What about .3d0

[distant grove]

True

[empty valley]

I was slightly disappointed that the N64 core uses .z64 instead of .n64 file extensions, but it makes me feel better when realizing the letter z is n flipped sideways

[dire sinew]

I remember the first cd burner I had didn't support CDRwin. I had to convert everything to ISO, which lost the music, so I could burn a disk but not hear any cd music

thief was a very quiet game

[grim goblet]

instead of? it has both, and just like Burger King, you can have it your way.

[dire sinew]

The next year I became a man and bought a plextor. I could even use Nero Burning Rom

[empty valley]

Oh really? I'm scared to change it to .n64. I've heard .z64 is a superior file extension for some reason. I'm the same person that switched all his Genesis games to .gen even though .md is probably preferred among our European friends. I can't accept .bin though. Too basic!

[untold fog]

I didn't know .gen was a thing

But yeah, I replaced my N64 roms with z64, it's apparently the native way the n64 deals with data, little vs big endian

My rom dumper also dumped in z64 format so...

[grim goblet]

The core supports either endian, it converts to the one it uses.

[untold fog]

I know, I meant the rom format itself

[grim goblet]

The core doesn't care :p

[empty valley]

I had to make sure the Game Boy games are .gb, Game Boy color .gbc, Genesis .gen, SNES .sfc, NES .nes. I have a weird hang up lol

[untold fog]

I was just talking about the difference between n64 and z64 and why z64 is the preferred one now, wasn't talking about it in any relation to the core 😛

Hmm.... what about Super Famicom games being sfc and Super Nintendo games being sni?

don't forget .nes and .fmc games XD

[empty valley]

My Atari 2600, 5200 and 7800 are all .a26, .a52 and .a78. .bin is for the heathens

[covert wagon]

I only use z69. Most reliable. Works both ways

big endian and little endian...at the same time

[untold fog]

At least it's not z67

"Back in MY day, the memes about numbers made SENSE!" 👴

[covert wagon]

(I hope my joke is factually accurate because in my head the rom difference is endianness but now I am questioning that memory)

googled it...NAILED IT

nerd 69 joke achieved

[ionic plank]

The little endian version of the joke is 96

[west forum]

I must be doing something wrong as I can't get a single game to load. I have got the ISO and CUE for Road Rash which VGE has in his video, but if I select either the .CUE or .ISO, nothing happens. I have the Boot.rom as the 3DO Logo appears when I start the core.

[spark tiger]

Redump image works fine. Do you got the boot.rom and kanji.rom via update all?

[fickle finch]

¿Está funcinando ya el core con un único módulo de RAM ? Lo estoy probando con el Street Fighter y funciona muy bien !

[dull knot]

si, funciona perfectamente

dual-sdram mister estas muerto

[fickle finch]

No pienso poner Dual Ram jamás... Perder el RGB es un sacrilegio.

[ashen palm]

This has been working fine for me. Worthy to summon Robby for a pin?

[dire sinew]

I'm about half way through cooking 50 builds. let me see if I get a better one

[ashen palm]

Is there a fix for the Need for Speed NVRAM error?

[dire sinew]

delete the 3do.cfg

[bitter lodge]

I'd like to petition for dual-RAM only just to continue towering over my friends

[west forum]

Yep all working now. Single RAM here 😉

[untold fog]

My second ram stick arrived literally hours ago...

Oh well, I don't even have a CRT to use the analog I guess

Wish there was a way to have both and just switch in software

Yes I know QM tech trried... and failed... but QM seems to have a lot of issues in general

[grim goblet]

Think of all the jaguar games you can play properly now, and maybe even enjoy? Though that might be going too far.

[untold fog]

... play... games?

just kidding XD

Wish I had thought to get some 3do games before myrient went down though

[grim goblet]

plenty of other places to find them 🙂

[dire sinew]

Minerva

[grim goblet]

Minervas cool, if you want things in 14 days

[untold fog]

Oh I know, just not as fast or easy

[left stump]

Made sure to download absolutely anything I might eventually want before those servers shut down. Now I just need to avoid any fires.

[untold fog]

same

At least all I could fit on the small drive I got for it

Now I am just going through seeing that 3do games seem interesting while also checking lists of notable/exclusive games, currently up to s

Let's see.... Seal of the Pharaoh, that looked interesting. No idea what Secre Fuumin no Omochabako or all these other Japanese games are, skipping those, Sesame Street skipping that, Sewer Shark... I remember being so confused what was happening in that game on SegaCd kiosks, skip, next is umm..... why is there a 3DO game literally just called "Sex"?

[left stump]

Hah. 3DO had softcore adult games

[empty valley]

Just a heads up, I'm very weary of using torrents. I got a threatening call from my ISP about 15 years ago for using torrents to download stuff. They threatened to subpoena me. When you torrent, you have to seed to other people so you're technically sharing copyrighted material so it's not a legal grey area like downloading roms is because you're sharing the content. Be careful if you do so

I have a no torrents policy after this. Not worth it

[left stump]

Yeah, VPN up whenever torrenting

[untold fog]

I am am quite well aware of torrents

Helps if it's a private tracker and not say, a game or movie that just came out

But yeah, vpns or secure seedboxes help

[left stump]

Doubt anybody is coming after you for 3DO games but don’t hurt to turn it on. Heh

[empty valley]

I was pretty reckless back then so you should probably be safe using a VPN

Plus it's 3DO. The MPAA isn't going to come after you lol

[untold fog]

... my curisoty at what these games are are making me lose some braincells when I Youtube them...

Yeah, going to skip Shelley Duvall's It's a Bird's Life

[empty valley]

No, you must play all the 3DO software. It's not a complete set unless you have the Dennis Miller game

[left stump]

Hah, yeah. It was a time when a lot of companies thought interactive multimedia stuff was the future of entertainment. So 3DO had a lot of stuff similar to CDi but a heck of a lot more games and a much better controller.

[ashen palm]

I'm having issues with the game (Need for Speed) on the single ram build you made - it's locking up in the menus and then gives the NVRAM error when I do a reset even if I don't save anything

[untold fog]

I am already downloading Shadow: War of Succession, is that not torture enough?

I have no idea what SnowJob Starring Tracy Scoggins is but I think I am better off not knowing

[dire sinew]

on your de10?

[ashen palm]

yeah

[untold fog]

Huh, Storage Manager - Memory Kanri sounds like a fun memory game!

(Did the 3DO not have a memory mamnager built in? ... and this one is Japanese only even)

[distant grove]

Hi

They were included on a lot. Bios', samplers, games, standalone, and demo discs

[dire sinew]

let's see if other folks start reporting that. probably 90 minutes until this next set of cores is done and we will see if we find one with better timing

[distant grove]

I dropped the memory manager collection here. Korean, Japanese, etc

All the way to version 1.0

[untold fog]

Were any in English?

[distant grove]

Yeah

Systems that included the memory manager on board:
FZ10
Sanyo
GDO 202
GDO 203

Fz1 and 101 typically didn't have them

[untold fog]

Thanks

[distant grove]

#1329170138234097745 message

Here is an entire pack of them

[untold fog]

What? That's it? No amazing mascot like the Japanese 3DO Magazine?

[distant grove]

Are you trying to do save management on your mister?

[untold fog]

I just ran into it as I was looking at 3DO games and realized that the 3do bios I am using might not have a built in way to do it, I didn't check... or know how to

[distant grove]

You have to press X on the bios splash screen. If it has it, it will come up

[untold fog]

Thanks, err, by x do you mean basically select/back on a modern controller?

[distant grove]

Yes

[untold fog]

Oof, Wing Commander 3 is a 4 disk game? Ouch

[distant grove]

Yes to that also lol

Currently at work. Answering 3do questions breaks up the monotony

[dire sinew]

You cannot contain the heart of the tiger to 1 disk

[distant grove]

It has a shit load of FMV scenes

[untold fog]

huh, a US and US/Europe version, anyone know if there is a difference?

[dire sinew]

also, it was 3 discs on PC - wonder why they needed the extra

[dire sinew]

in one, gimli says "Oi!" instead of "hey!"

[untold fog]

Normally I would see a US and a Europe version, or a US/Europe version for both markets, never seen a US-only version and then a US/europe version

[distant grove]

It's psychic detective. It's like night trap. No version is good

[untold fog]

Ok, done, wonder what the disk space damage will be. Refused to get Plumbers Don't Wear Ties, even I have my limits XD

[distant grove]

Bladeforce anyone?

[real rapids]

Possibly the most impressive technical display on the console.

[dire sinew]

Is it like the beginning of Running Man?

[untold fog]

Is there differences bween the 3DO version and other versions?

[covert wagon]

well I tested the four games I have running in the vid tonight as I initially tested them on dual ram and wanted to confirm the captures were still accurate to the new experience and I felt and saw no issues

[ashen palm]

Issues so far are NFS NVRAM issue and Super Wing Commander freezing after the initial cutscene for me (both CHDs). Everything else has been good!

[real rapids]

Can't wait for Need for Speed to work correctly. Love that game.

[untold fog]

NFS does not work?

[real rapids]

It plays, but there is significant graphical corruption during races.

[untold fog]

I see

[untold fog]

Umm, is that list of games with an Index 02 accurate? Only two of the games I have on that list have an index 02 in the cue file

[grim goblet]

I had no errors preventing me from playing on the core you posted earlier, worked just as it did on the previous core.

[dire sinew]

that's accurate up to whatever the last redump update was

[untold fog]

Huh, only Battle Pinball and Braindead 13 out of the games I got have an index 2 for me

[signal mango]

Why does 3DO not have Zoop? Surely that would have been the ultimate version.

[untold fog]

Captain Quazar, Space Hulk, Twisted, and Way of the Warrior all don't

[signal mango]

A Zoop port might be even better than the amazing mk2 port

[umbral charm]

A screenshot of what I see with some games on my SS1 (apparently v1.2.2 - very first Blue batch).

I checked all my disc images against the DAT at Redump.
The hashes for the BIOS and KANJI are okay.
The core is okay and the same SD card could work on my DE10 Nano Single SDRAM and my MiSTer Pi.

Some games like Gex, Need for Speed, Primal Rage, Puzzle Bobble, Policenauts are working, but not others like : Alone in the Dark, Samurai Shododown, or even Super Street Fighter II X - Grand Master Challenge.
Same kind of result each time on the 3DO BIOS logo : a give up message, and a spam of illegal instruction.

I tried installing the games on the internal SD card, an external USB stick, an external SSD.
Tested on all USB ports on the system (front & rear).

The games on these storage devices are working on my another MiSTer systems.

I removed all the config files, all the saves files too.

All other cores are working fine, no physical issue on the SD card containing the core after a check.

The resolution change was a false positive earlier, and I cannot reproduce Samurai Shodown booting a second time anymore.

I'm running out of idea here at the moment.

It's not a major issue for me, as I have other MiSTer devices that work with the core, and the games I want to play primarily with the core function, but I wanted to document my problem somewhere.

In case anyone else encounters the same issue.

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/bXHdu.gif

[weary rain]

i remember ppl saying they were slower than bin cue on this core specifically

[grim goblet]

I haven't seen anyone say that, and in my personal testing I haven't seen that at all

[weary rain]

It was when the core first came out

[untold fog]

Is that a new dual or single ram core?

[grim goblet]

People were arguing whether the core even supported CHD at that point

[weary rain]

Well, does it support it properly now?

[umbral charm]

There aren't Dual cores now (for 3DO).

Everyone have the same core since today.

[grim goblet]

It has from day 1. Again, I haven't seen anyone say that chds are slower ever at all for this core. If you can find a post about that I'd like to see it 🙂

[untold fog]

So starting today all the 3DO cores will be single ram?

[umbral charm]

Yes.

[weary rain]

Only core that needs to be buttoned up for single ram is Jag, maybe Saturn

It’s the one I bought dual ram for

[empty valley]

That's a huge feat for srg320. Fitting everything in the 3DO core from dual ram to single ram without compromises is a big accomplishment

[untold fog]

Trying to think,is there any easy way to make my folder of memory managers appear at the top of my game list without just putting something like 000 in front of it?

[royal urchin]

Are we able to save games yet? From my initial go at trying to save my progress on Road Rash it doesn't appear to. Is there anything we need to do to be able to save games or is it too early for this to be implemented in the core?

[dire sinew]

you need the unstable mister main to save games

[royal urchin]

thanks for the info .... off to find the latest unstable!

[dire sinew]

should be in the pins

also here: #unstable-nightlies message

[dire sinew]

@ashen palm let me know if this core works better for you

[copper bear]

Sorry if I missed it above, but I saw that starting today the 3DO cores are single RAM, but in the pin I just see the dual RAM version. Is there another location to grab the single RAM version? (Came here after seeing PixelCherryNinja's video but the link didn't seem to work).

[dire sinew]

#1329170138234097745 message

Sorry, Robby is asleep at the wheel

putting out fires or something

[sinful cliff]

He's busy fighting the crocodiles again. One of them stole his fat baby.

[umbral charm]

Samurai Showdown seems better on the backgrounds with the second compile of the core.

[copper bear]

Thank you! Testing will commence.

[dire sinew]

still having trouble with the super station on the new core?

[ivory ingot]

I should be receiving my ss1 today

[sinful cliff]

Can confirm that the new build fixed the 96Hz and Direct Video problem.

[left stump]

What the... the single ram core is real? 😅 I thought it was gonna be months if ever. Amazing stuff.

[dire sinew]

We did too

[left stump]

Man is a wizard. Oh man, with that my MiSTer wishlist is like complete. Might sell my 3DO before any of the capacitors go completely bad or the disc drive dies. Heh.

They're not getting the controller though. I'm keeping that thing.

[sinful cliff]

@crisp zealot Just out of curiosity, but the 3DO core currently has a blanked out column on the left. Was wondering if this is a bug/mistake with the core, since it's similar to the blank column the SEGA Saturn core had with older builds.

[umbral charm]

I will check tomorrow.

I need some sleep right now.

[bold birch]

Only tested Road Rash so far (my go-to 3DO game next to Total Eclipse) as it's late over here, but so far it's playing like a dream. Saves are working too. Fantastic work!

[dire sinew]

mr christer is going to add 3DO support to Super Attract Mode. Soon I will know all of the bugs the 3DO core hides from us

[bold birch]

Tried a couple more games before bed - so far only Total Eclipse and Microcosm (US Redump bin/cue) have failed to load (stuck on 3DO screen) Everything else runs mostly fine, although Rebel Assault has the rogue scanilne flicker during custscenes. Didn't notice it during gameplay.

[dire sinew]

Total Eclipse (US) loads. Total Eclipse (US, Europe) does not

[storm moth]

They're both running for me

Total eclipse (us, europe) and microcosm

[dire sinew]

I just re-exctracted microcosm to be sure and I cannot get it to boot

MD5 (/Volumes/MiSTer/games/3DO/1 USA/Microcosm (USA)/Microcosm (USA).bin) = f680353429def4d3c1e95120fd9c503f

[storm moth]

I do seem to be having issues with the japanese version of microcosm, it hangs on a black screen after the T&E logo

[dire sinew]

oh interesting, it differs from stack to stack

it's loading fine on the super station

but not on my mister pi

[storm moth]

Odd, I'm testing on mister pi and it works there

[dire sinew]

no boot on one of my de10s

jaguar flashbacks

[bold birch]

Duly noted.

BTW I'm on a DE10.

[dire sinew]

Ok, so the dual ram core boots them fine

supremecy secured (for now)

[ember seal]

there's a singleram build already? amazing

[dire sinew]

I wonder what we should do here. It seems pretty clear that the future is single ram, but these games booted fine on the dual ram core. They are booting inconsistently across single ram stacks, so I'm not sure what testing would be useful

[bold birch]

Just tested TE (US only), boots with no issues. Re-extracted Microcosm, still no dice.

[arctic tide]

what do we need to do to make the core work? is the unstable main needed?

only tried gex, but didn't get any result. i saw some discussion about unstable main in the search tho.

thanks to all the devs we want to make people play super turbo

[ivory ingot]

Its the version of unstable main linked in the pins of this channel

[sinful cliff]

This is one of those cores that requires a BIOS. There is an option in the update_all to automatically download BIOS files from a database.

[arctic tide]

ooohhhh i didnt scroll enough. thank you

yeah i think i got the bios

[left stump]

Saves are hit or miss on Superstation, eh? Wing Commander III works perfectly, Road Rash won't let me save, Gex freezes when you collect the tape and it goes to auto save, Alone in the Dark complains that there's no space for saves.

[tall marsh]

Guys I’m playing with my balls

[brazen sandal]

Same here 😉 Soccer kid(all versions) not work.

[untold fog]

So... with this core, MiSTer is now able to play every single version of Brain Dead 13 ever released! 🎉 Congrats! ||not counting on Apple hardware||

[empty valley]

It's between the 3DO and the CD-i as to what was the best FMV console. The American Laser Games library looks best on both platforms. 3DO does have the definitive version of Night Trap though, if we don't count the re-releases on new platforms

[gloomy flint]

Is this just for single ram or does this support dual RAM?

[untold fog]

It used to be dual-ram only, now it's single-ram only as of today

[naive siren]

Microcosm seems to be working for me on the superstation. Only went so far as to get in game and shoot at some stuff

[burnt haven]

Ah but what version of Sewer Shark is better? 3DO or Sega CD? 3DO had the better visuals but Sega CD has the crappy music that just seems to fit the game.

[storm moth]

Gex freezes/softlocks for me too when it goes to save and it also hangs on black screen when getting a gameover. Both these things didn't happen with the last dual ram version

[empty valley]

I didn't realize the Sega CD had a unique soundtrack for Sewer Shark. Good to know lol

[burnt haven]

It's pretty bad but it's what I'm used to.

[empty valley]

It's a shame that the Sega CD has such terrible FMV quality. Every other CD platform seems to have better FMV quality

The Jaguar CD surprisingly has great FMV for the few titles that use it

[burnt haven]

The Sega CD had a bunch of potential due to the additional processing power. They really dropped the ball by turning it into an FMV machine. Because yeah, it couldn't really display good FMV.

I believe that about the Jaguar CD. It can probably display a lot more colors than the Sega CD.

[covert wagon]

only one system has Highlander too

[storm moth]

All Soccer kid versions are working for me. Except the European version but that's because it requires a pal bios

Working on both Mister PI and DE10

[ashen palm]

NFS hangs in the menus, but no NVRAM error. Super Wing Commander hangs after the intro. Maybe it's a CHD issue

[dire sinew]

No, it seems like a metastability issue across misters

[ashen palm]

cool cool - I'm honestly surprised by how much is working right out the gate

[dire sinew]

like for me, I can get through the intro, but I cannot select anything on the title screen of super wing commander

[storm moth]

There was an issue where that one seemed to not do anything at the menu if second controller was enabled

[dire sinew]

oh right!

I never saw that bug, but maybe I have it now

[ashen palm]

yeah I tried turning mine off and still nothing. At least the intro is sweet

[storm moth]

I experienced it last version where I had to disable second controller

[crisp jacinth]

Anyone can tell me some clue about the cd bios used? no info anywhere 🙁

[dire sinew]

turn on the bios database in update all

yeah, disabling controller 2 didn't help. it's like the controller doesn't work at all. can't skip the intro or anything

[crisp jacinth]

My Bios database is enable on Update all. 🙁

[grim goblet]

update all will download the needed bios files for this core

[crisp jacinth]

Cd bios error on core.

[dire sinew]

can you take a pic?

[crisp jacinth]

run updateall again and now is working . ty

[storm moth]

Super Wing Commander hangs on the intro this version too with bin/cue on the mister pi

[sharp pendant]

Anyone on single ram who is now exploring the core and wants to help testing, just find the testing sheet in the pins and request edit access

[dire sinew]

I think testing will be hard because results will be inconsistent system to system

[signal mango]

You could add a column for your model

[dire sinew]

It’s not a model thing I don’t think

[copper bear]

I’ve also been getting the CD BIOS not found message every time I run the core or a game, but games would work fine, but I did run update all as the above user said, but now no games run m, oddly. I’m on unstable main latest. Was there some BIOS setup I ignored in my haste to start testing?

[grim goblet]

You should have a boot.rom file in your games/3DO directory, which update all should download if you have enabled the bios database in it and then run it to download them.

[grim goblet]

There is no additional setup beyond having the files

[copper bear]

Yeah, I have that and beat the first level of Wolfenstein 3D, and got Mortal Kombat II working but it won’t play anything after I did update all.

[grim goblet]

This error occurs if your boot.rom file is missing, or possibly corrupted. I would triple check you actually have the boot.rom file in your games/3DO directory

[copper bear]

I’ll check if it vanished during update all somehow. But it was appearing the whole time games were working also.

Should I delete it and will it auto redownload it?

[spark tiger]

yes, it auto-download it again.

[iron tundra]

Do you maybe have the boot.rom in your usb0/games/3DO/ but not in your /fat/games/3DO/ folder or vice/versa?

[dire sinew]

are you using an external drive?

it needs to be in your usb's /games/3DO drive

[copper bear]

I am using external, and it worked, but no longer does. Do I need to move the file to the external?

[dire sinew]

it needs to be on the external, yeah

[copper bear]

Okay. Weird it was working for a while there.

Thanks. On it.

As a weird side note, I out Mortal Kombat II in a folder by itself, called Homebrew. When I click on that folder, it instantly tries to load the game and never gives me the option to view it in the file selector and select it. Is that normal behavior if a single file is in a folder?

[dire sinew]

if it's the only thing in that folder, and not in a folder of it's own, it will try and load the iso

[copper bear]

Theory confirmed. Thanks.

[dire sinew]

you should keep cd games in their own folders

[copper bear]

Ah, it’s the only game I have in ISO format, and the only Homebrew game I have for 3DO, so that’s the first time I’ve encountered this. Interesting.

[spark tiger]

That's i don't get it why the redump/other collections are often archive the plain files and not in extra game folders. This confuses a lot of people.

[copper bear]

Works like a charm. Thanks, guys. Back to testing games. It’s odd that it ever worked before! It never did this loading sequence of boot.tom and kanji.rom (visibly anyway) and games still worked from my external earlier.

[ruby mulch]

is it just me, the game loads but can't start for some reasons?

[spark tiger]

Have you mapped the joypad buttons in the core?

[ruby mulch]

yeah. samurai shodown is OK, but not ssf2t

[spark tiger]

strange

Which version exactly?

[ruby mulch]

#1329170138234097745 message

and ssf2t chd (japan version)

[spark tiger]

Ah, ok. I never use CHDs. But i can try the redump multi-bin JP.

[copper bear]

I’m using it on CHD right now and it’s running perfectly as far as I can tell. But I’m playing the USA version. I’ll test Japan.

Testing Super Street Fighter II (Japan) CHD, in game, playing as Ryu, no issues.

[dire sinew]

I have that exact problem in super wing commander on one of my stacks @ruby mulch . We are seeing compatability differences across stacks with the single ram core atm

that should level out over time

but it's kind of all over the place right now

[ruby mulch]

yeah, forgot to say i'm on single stick

different stack as in, from different makers?

[spark tiger]

I'm on Single SD Ram too. No issue.

[dire sinew]

no, as in different stacks. like I have one mister pi that will boot it fine

one that will not

[spark tiger]

But the start is with the mapped "pause" button

[ruby mulch]

yeah thats what i meant, i'm on retrocastle

[dire sinew]

same thing happened with the jaguar core when grey first dropped it

some stacks could boot AVP

others could not

so it's just an early days thing

[ruby mulch]

ok got it. so it's a bit of ymmv

[dire sinew]

yeah, exactly

[ruby mulch]

but at least i can stare at the super street fighter 2 turbo DEMO 😄

[dire sinew]

but the music is terrible

it's like, the musak version

[ruby mulch]

it's...different lol

[dire sinew]

Commercial Distinct Fighting Game Music

[spark tiger]

Actually SSF II Turbo starts with the 3DO Stop button = X in the core mappings.

Please confirm

[ruby mulch]

@spark tiger omg you're correct

facepalm to myself

[dire sinew]

lol

[spark tiger]

Yeah, i was confused too yesterday.

[ruby mulch]

thanks!

[spark tiger]

Once you pressed x, the button A works fine for the settings and game start.

[ruby mulch]

yup, must be that P is now medium punch

[copper bear]

Maybe I did that without thinking. Haha.

[spark tiger]

Actually i think something is still wrong. The mapped x button (which would be stop) IS actually the ingame "Pause button". Either wrong, or i have to check the 3DO manual if they where that dumb.

[ruby mulch]

ok it's not a bad port, but it's weird they resize it to 640x200

guess it's hardware lmit

384x224 CPS2 -> 640x200

but its more than decent port

[spark tiger]

It's a great port.

Probably the best 2D game on the system.

[ruby mulch]

100% not even a question

[spark tiger]

Ok, the "stop" button for the initial game start and ingame pause is correct. Very weird original mapping imo.

[ruby mulch]

well they can't use P as the traditional start button

that's the medium punch now

so i'm guessing they're like ok gotta use X as start then

judging from the layout of the 6 button 3do pad

[spark tiger]

You can mapped the buttons ingame anyway

[untold fog]

IIRC limited to 64 colors? Yeah, not great for FMV, not to mention it's limited processing power for video. Unfortunately everybody back then seemed to think FMVs were the next evolution of videogames, and/or they didn't know how to use the massive at the time space of CDs for something useful

[dire sinew]

the dirty screen door effect

[copper bear]

Fatty Bear’s Birthday Surprise seems to work fine, haha.

[untold fog]

Is there any specific reason for compatibility or support or anything for the specific bios file it is using? Or could we use a different one if we want to?

[spark tiger]

Wolfenstein 3D is probably the best version on 3DO. It plays soo good.

[fair wave]

The video timing (for analog) is not yet correct on the core. Im not sure sergiy has looked at this yet.

[ruby mulch]

is Plumbers Don't Wear Ties the best game on teh system? never owned 3do so need some expert opinions

[spark tiger]

If you like crappy games generally, then yes.

[empty narwhal]

you're on MiSTer Pi and Super Street Fighter Works? I'm on VGA-Scart and i see only black screen

[spark tiger]

Try something thats actually fun. Like Starblade.

[spark tiger]

I have a Mister Pi, but atm i'm testing with original DE10 Nano Mister.

[untold fog]

Hmm... should not have converted them to CHD for my second computer as well, the ancient 3DO software emulators don't support it

[grim goblet]

64 seems too generous, I doubt they used more than 16

[ruby mulch]

pixel cherry ninjas latest video he couldn't get it to work either

[empty narwhal]

so trough HMDI output?

[spark tiger]

Yes, via direct video -> retrotink 4k

[empty narwhal]

confirm it works vith MiSTer Pi VGA I/O Board 6.1

[mystic abyss]

It was mapped that way because the controller only had the three face buttons and two shoulder buttons. They map one of the attack buttons to pause so that you can technically use it for whatever punch or kick button you assign to it. Imperfect, but understandable.

[untold fog]

Can we use a different bios or does the core only support the bios update_all pulls?

[dire sinew]

I think it's only built for the one bios right now

[grim goblet]

I tried every bios on the core release version, and none of them worked outside of the FZ-1

[empty narwhal]

Many games works, Crash'n'Burn, Road Rush, Gex, Super Street Fighter

[shy dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/gex-gex-guy-jeb-jab-jebediah-jab-scott-the-woz-gif-23948555

Cool to see the single ram core already

[untold fog]

I see, thanks. Was hoping to use the FZ-10 bios just because I like how it looks, and it has a built in memory manager

Though I don't understand what's the difference between standard FZ-10, and anvil, and patched and such

[grim goblet]

I also have no idea 🙂

[spark tiger]

Just tested my Mister PI via Sony consumer CRT and it works there too.

[untold fog]

Was street fighter grand master fixed?

[azure gorge]

Is the single ram core test on Update_all?

[ivory ingot]

it is if you have the wip db enabled https://github.com/ajgowans/wip

[azure gorge]

Okay awesome 🙂

I was just gonna buy a second stick of ram and this update held me back once again

[untold fog]

I bought one because of saturn and this core, it arrived like a few hours before the single-ram core was announced

I literally installed it, checked the discord, saw a video about the single ram core XD

[azure gorge]

Haha

Well heck it is still gonna be useful

Better to have than to not right?

I'm probably still gonna put an order down on one

If just for Jaguar

[untold fog]

Yeah, I only have one CRT and it's in storage so losing analog wasn't too big, I would like to have it someday for light gun games though, maybe by then there will be a way to have them auto-switch in software or something between dual-ram or analog

Not like I lose the ability to run anything with it installed

[azure gorge]

There are some good light gun options for modern screens out there

[untold fog]

Those basically function like wiimotes or as a camera analyzing the screen instead of an actual light gun though right? Are there actual modern light guns now?

[tropic basin]

I just jumped in and got road rash working. Today is a good day!

[crisp zealot]

Most likely, the image is shifted, and the last line isn't displayed. That explains why the right green line isn't visible in the 3DO 240p Calibration Suite. All issues will be fixed according to priority.

[left stump]

Just meant to test how Wolfenstein 3D was working and played through half the dang game. Love this version. Running great on the core.

[silent oak]

oh, goodie!

it's time for EDUCATIONAL DUCK ARMAGEDDON!

-# the death throes of the ducks!!

great work, can't wait for more updates now

[tropic basin]

i was just trying this too

i hear a slight popping on the first level with the files i have but otherwise seemed good

[primal pine]

Alone in the Dark USA crashes when I open the initial chest. Used the stock BIOS.

[brazen sandal]

How is possible ? i try many versions of Soccer Kid...Black screen after Krisalis logo. For the PAL, i have the same message, so...

[vapid swallow]

@crisp zealot ty for all your hard work, amazing job!

[left stump]

Same, or opening the cabinet. Something about the spinny item screen it doesn't like? Does the game also complain that it can't save because there's no space?

[storm moth]

There's been mixed results from multiple people when it's come to games booting with the current core

[kindred oriole]

Did you find a way around the missing save option in Road Rash?

[umbral charm]

No change on my SS1, some games are crashing after the 3DO BIOS even with the second compilation of the core yesterday.
I must have something special on my console the core don't like.

[silent oak]

I'm gonna take a break from all Clock Towerlikes to run through all the 3DO games I care for today

in a bit

[silent oak]

yeah, Optidoom is pretty spectacular

-# RIP Rebecca Heineman

there's a line missing on the right?

[forest lichen]

#1329170138234097745 message

[left stump]

Yes. I just copied a working save file (Wolfenstein 3D) and renamed it to the Road Rash rom name. This tricks it and it recognizes it as a properly formatted place to save the games I guess? This has also fixed some games that wouldn't boot for me at all. Going to test if it fixes the Gex crash on save right now

[true sentinel]

@crisp zealot
hello and thank you very much for your work.

Wolfenstein 3D (USA, Redump)
The game starts normally: the introductory videos, menu, level and difficulty selection—everything works.
After loading any game level, within 10-30 seconds, or if I press the buttons responsible for opening doors or shooting, the game's visual display on the screen disappears. Then I see a black screen. Restarting from the OSD doesn't work. Other ISO/CHD files don't load—no loading indicator, nothing.
Wolfenstein 3D (EU, Redump)
When I launch this version, I see a notification that it doesn't work on NTSC.
Wolfenstein 3D (JP, Redump)
Works perfectly. Everything is great, except for the Japanese text. 🤭

All three versions have ISO+CUE.

So, I understand that my issue is related to the BIOS region and game version? I'd appreciate any advice.

Mister latest stable version.
boot.rom (JP FZ-10 (v1.61) - MD5: f47264dd47fe30f73ab3c010015c155b).
QMTech build

[ivory ingot]

Maybe try bin/cue or chd versions? I've seen people here who have had odd issues and it ended up being iso/cue versions of the games

[left stump]

CHD version of Wolfenstein 3D worked great. I played half the game. Haha

[ivory ingot]

Same

[tribal sandal]

Your using fz-10 bios? I believe your meant to use the bios from update all which is fz-1

[true sentinel]

I have Wolfenstein 3D (USA).chd Retroachievements compliance. The behavior matches the Redump ISO version - black screen after attempting to fire.
CRC-32: 3c50dc23
MD5: f4f23896c30c54aca07c96db66259763
SHA-1: d38c214e1f9d38994a69dd3acd6d4172744705f2
SHA-256: 7b41eeca9c229e13749aee535a3c7a53df6fdcf1ab8bbd1d061b39292811a73c

[crisp zealot]

PAL is not yet supported. These are just test builds that have a lot of issues. Additionally, the core is currently being reworked for single sdram operation, which is causing even more problems. I recommend that you wait for the official release.

[turbid sage]

Sorry for a dumb question, but how do you even launch .chd files with the current build?

[left stump]

Heh. Nope. This method didn't stop Gex from crashing unfortunately... but hey, it gets some of the games that wouldn't load at all loading and fixed every game that wouldn't save before that I've tried, so useful nonetheless

[true sentinel]

Just like ISO - just select CHD from the list.

[silent oak]

now he's a R·E·A·L reptile

[ivory ingot]

You need to be running the MiSTer main that's linked in the channel pins

[turbid sage]

Got it thanks so much

[ivory ingot]

Sorry I just need to ask, do you actually mean an actual ISO file (like a file with a .iso extension) or are you just using that term generically? Just need to ask since all the 3DO redump archives I've seen recently have either been in bin/cue or chd format

[true sentinel]

You're right, I didn't express myself correctly. I have bin/cue

[umbral charm]

I think my issue with the core is related with some RAM states (on my SS1).
I could launch some problematic games when cold rebooting the console, and/or multiple times reset the core until it works.

Road Rash, Shanghai, Samurai Shodown at least work sometimes when doing that.

It worked yesterday when changing the video mode totally by chance, because each time, I rebooted the core completely.
For some other people, it could bring a black screen sometimes too.

[dire sinew]

i wouldnt worry too much yet, zet. Let’s give the single ram core a couple of more releases before we start testing in earnest.

[umbral charm]

You're far danm right.

[covert wagon]

see this is why we pay you the big bucks

[umbral charm]

I asked a question to Taki about the SDRAM used.

All are the same. The only difference between MiSTER Pi and SS1 is soldered full-size parts.

So, if I see correctly on some photos of the SS1 - EtronTech EM63B165.

I haven't had time to read all the messages since last night.
Are other people experiencing issues with certain games that cause black screens after the BIOS?

Please let me know so I can see if it's possible to run some tests with you (for the account of srg320), thanks.

[dire sinew]

Yes, Microcosm boots on one of my machines, but not another. Total Eclipse USA/Europe (not USA) is the same story.

[umbral charm]

Could you do a test for us ?

Swap the SDRAM module between the non-working and the working system ?

[dire sinew]

the working system is the SS1

[umbral charm]

Ah.

The opposite in my case...

[dire sinew]

I haven’t done in depth tests because of the compatibility inconsistencies across misters

[sinful cliff]

Got to love the RAM lottery.

[umbral charm]

Do you remember the SDRAM passing speeds (fMin - fMax) of the shared core ?

Taki asked me that a moment ago.

[dire sinew]

I have the whole DSE folder

I can give it to you when I’m back home

[umbral charm]

That could be fantastic.

I need some time off for the rest of the day, but I can check my messages.

[brazen sandal]

Microcosm(JAP or US) give a black screen after BIOS. Soccer Kid(US) give a black screen after Krisalis logo only. I have sdram 3.0 and a classic MiSTer. Regardless of the BIOS type. I acknowledge that the PAL mode is not yet implemented correctly.

[umbral charm]

Do you have a second MiSTer system ?
We want to try to swap SDRAM modules between working and non-working MiSTer systems.

[brazen sandal]

Unfortunately, no, sorry!

[umbral charm]

Too bad, thanks for your explanation and your tests, I hope we will settle that quite quickly.

[covert wagon]

what exactly needs to be tested? If I find time this week I can take a look

SS One related

[silent oak]

there's probably better way to do it, but none of my PCs can read the MiSTer install card

[covert wagon]

you cant read the partition with cores/games/etc?

or do you mean the Linux partition? because thats normal for the most part

[silent oak]

doesn't get recognized, either on my Windows Surface tablet or arch laptop

[covert wagon]

thats a weird one

[umbral charm]

We need someone with some non-working games on the core on their MiSTer, and a second MiSTer system where we could swap the RAM modules between both of them + check once more the core with both dystems.

[covert wagon]

ahh I just thought it was testing if it worked on SS One

[umbral charm]

Not something easy to find.

You can try Samurai Showdown and Super Street Fighter X on your SS1 too.

Just to be sure about something.
Mine have some issues when reading these games after the BIOS, but after some power cycles they could be launched sporadically.
But others could launch them immediately.

[forest lichen]

Microcosm no boot for me

On previous core was ok

[silent oak]

before I lose it - multiple disc images are treated just like PS1 core with multiple cues and bins in the single folder, yeah?

[grim goblet]

yes, however swapping discs is currently broken, and will freeze the core.

[silent oak]

so my first exposure to D is no go for now?

[grim goblet]

You might have luck if you reset the core with disc 2 inserted after swapping. You might also have luck if the game lets you make a save compatible with disc 2 before swapping discs.

[covert wagon]

lol nobody wants to hear about the first time you were exposed to D

this is a family server

[silent oak]

maybe M2 was not smoke and mirrors at all

[covert wagon]

ugh how I wish the dev that captured the footage had kept the build'

it was a WIP build sent to the 3DO offices from WARP in Japan to test progress on the newer dual 602 PPC setup dev kits

same with the 3DO build of Disruptor. That was 95% finished and just being bug checked before it was moved to PS1 and cancelled for 3DO

Disruptor is what "this" demo was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagVpTmozR4

basically devs saw Distuptor on 3DO and then when making these bullshit fake tech demos they kind of borrowed bits of inspiration from disruptor

[silent oak]

okay, now this is new to me!

[dire sinew]

previous as in dual ram, or previous as in the single ram core from earlier in the day?

[forest lichen]

dual ram

[grim goblet]

Wow, it's like the PS3 reveal demos... all pre-rendered bullshit smoke and mirrors being called tech demos

[silent oak]

the screenshot from D2 I posted was more or less what that hardware was actually capable of

the tech demo screams "concept demo turned into PR bullshit" to me

[covert wagon]

id say IMSA is the best technical demo we have. Konami arcade stuff is def not pushing the hardware much. None of the games utilize the second CPU and at least on Tobe Polystars end there are traces in the build that indicate it got its life started probably on PSX arcade hardware as there is an on the fly endianness change in code

so it started life on diff hardware with the opposite endianness

[silent oak]

this also like, solved one of the minor mysteries of life

[silent oak]

there was a blurb in a game magazine I've read 25 years ago about M2 with that exact screenshot on it and for the life of me I could not figure out what was that game with the knight on it, now I know, it's pre-DC D2

so thanks by sheer coincidence!

[brazen sandal]

MiSTer "classic"+sdram3.0: 1) Super Street Fighter II X - Grand Master Challenge (Japan) = OK 2) Samurai Shodown (USA, Europe) = OK

[ashen palm]

Battle Chess is completable on the core (lol)

[ashen palm]

I get a black screen on The Horde, but the 3DO logo flashes twice which may indicate that it makes it past the bios, but won't load the intro movie

Night Trap fails pretty fast too

[covert wagon]

Ive got an entire archive of dev shots from the M2 version. I need to post them all one day

[silent oak]

I got the dumbest thought possible

can you symlink Game Guru image inside every other game for save management?

[iron sigil]

curious if anyone else is having goofy scan issues with composite out to a CRT? like the image displays but it bounces up and down.

the menu does the same thing, so wondering if i just configured something wrong. i did the thing where my main mister.INI points to the unstable mister for the 3DO core specifically if that's helpful

(i realize this is a beta core! just curious if i'm doing something wrong on top of that)

[dire sinew]

remove that line from your mister.ini, you don’t need it anymore

stable main has basic support for 3DO

if you want to save, you need the latest unstable main

[iron sigil]

i'm just playing around so no need. i'll give it a quick looksee before i leave the house