Panasonic 3DO

[dire sinew]

If saving is not working for folks, go back to the main menu, press menu and confirm that your mister date is 260328

[storm moth]

If anyone wants to test Nishimura Kyoutarou Travel Mystery - Akugyaku no Kisetsu - Tokyo Nanki Shirahama Renzoku Satsujin Jiken and see if it boots with the kanji rom too, that one didn't load for me with last version and I wasn't sure if it was because it requires kanji rom

[grim goblet]

Seems to boot, I get a menu and I can click an option and an FMV starts playing.

[storm moth]

Ok cool, thats farther than I got

[visual sonnet]

Yeah. Still doesn't save unfortunately

[dire sinew]

god, redump, why do you want a bin/cue for mortal kombat 2

the creator provided an iso

[visual sonnet]

PGA Tour 96 still unplayable

[real rapids]

Can confirm that second controller support is working.

Was able to get the Need for Speed remove dashboard code to work (which requires the second controller).

[true shore]

I think technically it can never be part of redump unless a physical retail release happens

[dire sinew]

we will see if it gets voted out of the island, but its on the island right now

[true shore]

I think they still log it under other? I ran into this trying to get that Saturn Prize Fighter listed let me check what i was told

[dire sinew]

the redump site is down, otherwise I'd look how it is categorized under there

it is weird that the file is a "dump" of the disc that doesn't exist

but redump gonna redump

[dense remnant]

Hori sheet!

[true shore]

I can't find it but there's like a "non redump" redump list

my dump came from og digital files of a gold master that ultimately didn't release but can't be treated as an actual release

i mean... you have to draw a line somewhere on these projects with how you catalogue things I guess. it's real semantic in a way that I am not but I appreciate that others are lol

@dire sinew not only does it have to be bin/cue it has to be split bin if there are any cd audio tracks

[astral nova]

The translation works on my NTSC 3DO with Mnemo ODE. Perhaps a NTSC vs PAL issue?

[dire sinew]

i don't pretend to understand anything about redump. Like PS3 files are ISOs, some ps2 files are ISOs and some are bin/cue.

[ionic plank]

bin/cue ps2 files are CD games and iso are DVD iirc

[dire sinew]

ohhhhhhh

that makes sense

man, I had completely forgotten about blue-bottomed ps2 games

[true shore]

yeah that. dvds are like a single file system so they can be iso but cds are multi file system and can be lots of things

[dire sinew]

it shouldn't be that interesting, but I find it wildly interesting. thank goodness they are doing what they are doing

[true shore]

lol right? i've just been around emulation for over thirty years and have had some knowledge rub off on me on how things get catalogued.

[dire sinew]

now if I could just tease apart what the fuck the different no intro sets are, I could live happily allow my brain worms to attach themselves to something else

[true shore]

there are different no-intro sets?

oh that's what i came back to say... the "non redump" becomes part of the no-intro set.

[dire sinew]

yeah, which is weird but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true shore]

"No-Intro/Non-Redump - Panasonic - 3DO Interactive Multiplayer" is likely where MK2 will end up

[dire sinew]

I get decision paralysis just looking at this

[true shore]

I know Big Endian n64 set is proper ripped carts. byte swapped were from those floppy disc rippers?

[dire sinew]

that's just it, I have no idea

[true shore]

I'm also confused by all the DS variants. I recently got some set for GFs R4 cart I got her and I still can't remember which set it was I think regular decrypted?

[dire sinew]

Yeah, I think I have regular decrypted

[true shore]

anyway. off topic. sorry. 3do rules. mk2 rules.

[dire sinew]

All that to say, preservation is a land of contrasts

[forest lichen]

Same for me

[weary rain]

does the new 3do core need a new mister main?

[dire sinew]

to save, yes

[gloomy flint]

I don’t know what the fuck they did to this main, but FINALLY the menu on the RetroTink 4K is FIXED!!! No more split screen when using the menu. It’s PERFECT now!!! I’m so happy!!!

[dire sinew]

it should be merged into main either tonight or tomorrow, but you'll still have to run the unstable

[dire sinew]

did you disable dv in the menu? I can't remember if we tried that

[gloomy flint]

Nope. Never did. Been enabled so I can use it on the RT4K

It’s basically to the point that if I want to use it on the kitchen TV (which is rare), then I have to use an alternate ini to turn it off

[dull knot]

Any issues with the bathroom TV?

[gloomy flint]

If I had a TV in the bathroom, I’d never leave lol.

Especially if I could get the sports channels on it.

[true shore]

This is what I've always done on my 4k and it's fine but issue with that is it doesn't send the "Menu" infoframe to the 4k so you can't auto load a reset profile just for the menu so you're kind of stuck with whatever profile you last had auto loaded for the menu too. So if you had a SNES profile with crt effects on those will stay on when you go back to the menu

It's been recommended since forever to have [menu] direct_video=0 in your ini for the rt4k

Menu playing nice with direct video turned on is good news. I wasn't gonna update main again but now I want to try it 😂

[gloomy flint]

About to post it there, but while the Menu’s fixed, it broke the Jaguar core

[cobalt zephyr]

you can't break something that's broken by default!

[dire sinew]

yeah, that's because you're using the wild cropping that makes the menu work

it won't work anywhere else

[astral nova]

Choosing anything under Audio & Video -> Scandoubler Fx: other than None causes the display in the new 3DO core to scramble or become unstable on my MiSTer running at 1920x1080@60hz. I don't use any of these settings normally, but one person did have display problems with the new core and that might be the cause.

[gloomy flint]

No. I didn’t use any preset at all

[dire sinew]

well you had to adjust your cropping and whatnot

[gloomy flint]

Let me check something

And fuck….I celebrated too soon. I still had the PSX setting on to use the CDi, so that is what “fixed” the menu

Reset the RT4K and now it’s working again, but the menu’s messed up. Dammit….

I feel like an idiot….

[weary rain]

https://www.vxreddit.com/gallery/1s5ov5u

[umbral charm]

Oh, that's a newly pressed homebrew version.

[dire sinew]

oh did they actually press it?

[umbral charm]

Yes!

[storm moth]

It's not finished is it?

[dire sinew]

the video yesterday said it was

still didn't feel great, but not sure if that was the core or the game

and I refuse to accept a world where sub zero's slide is B+HK+LK

that's heresey

[umbral charm]

https://www.worldretro.com.br/p-19013973-Mortal-Kombat-II---3DO

That version.

V10.05 on the disc.

[worthy hill]

Is there a place to report the issue so srg will see it? Or just here is fine?

[real rapids]

And I still couldn't get it to work most of the time. I don't know if the timing of the buttons is insanely precise or there is an issue with the core. But I could only get the slide to come out like maybe 1 out of 10 attempts.

[dire sinew]

SRG will see it. He is reading the channel. We can report it formally once it’s in mister-devel

[dire sinew]

I was finding that with a lot of things in that port. And am I wrong about danger? I thought once you were in danger, the next hit killed you, even blocked

I could take a full on hit in danger

Maybe not an uppercut

Also, roundhouse damage felt off.

This is all very important

I hope someone is writing this down

[real rapids]

It's not the danger specifically that's the problem. Damage output all around is massively scaled down. An uppercut barely does any damage at all. I'd say all damage is cut in half, or close to it.

[dire sinew]

Ok, so I’m not imagining things. That must be why they disabled the timer

[real rapids]

But yeah, I noticed a lot off about the game even beyond those issues. It's still a very impressive job, but it's not MK2 in gameplay.

[dire sinew]

It’s really good looking though

[visual sonnet]

It wasn't ever intended to be MK2 in gameplay though

The danger thing isn't a free hit. I thought it was that for awhile too. It's that the moves don't do the same amount of damage as they do in the arcade version. Many are quite less so many moves that before would've ended the fight at that point no longer do.

He also has liu kang doing his fire ball while jumping too. There's quite a few changes.

I can't say I'm a fan of all the changes, but it's his project and I support him making the changes he wants to make
Perhaps if he ever makes the source code available others could alter it to play more like the arcade version.

[urban ivy]

It's not working for me. Seems like it downloaded fine and is named correctly, but Sword and Sorcery still gives an error. Maybe I am doing something wrong?

[visual sonnet]

The way he handled shang tsung mophing though I think is absolute brilliance

[gloomy flint]

That’s another reason why it seemed like things worked on my end so far with the new core (haven’t tested gameplay yet, just booting to test the new Zaparoo beta), I never put the kanji.rom on mine yet. Figured I had no need for it.

[weary rain]

@marble jetty sorry for the ping but u should update the pins

[visual sonnet]

The kanji room isn't required for saving is it? I tossed the new main on but didn't download the kanji but saving still doesn't work so perhaps it's necessary as well? I just figured it wouldn't be since it's just a font for a few import games.

[real rapids]

Yeah, but the problem I have is that all the changes feel for the worse. Like it's almost impossible to land a follow up with Reptile's force ball projectile because the hitboxes and lag after the move all are jacked up. Jump kicking someone sends them absolutely flying across the screen, which messes up the neutral game. Damage being cut in half across the board makes the rounds feel way too long. Moves like the slide are nearly impossible to perform on command. Among other things. Again, the port is still extremely impressive, especially from a technical standpoint. And it is his project, so more power to him. But man, it just objectively feels bad to play all around.

[visual sonnet]

What version have you played? I think it's up to 11.9 now

[real rapids]

The newest version from, I believe it was yesterday?

And to be fair, it's entirely possible that some of the issues are related to the MiSTer core not being finished.

[visual sonnet]

Only thing I noticed playing it on Mister was some stages ran really slow

[visual sonnet]

Was anything else required to save on the new core other than using the 3/28 mister main?

[dire sinew]

no

[distant grove]

The Korean titles don't like anything other than ntsc for the most part. The game eye of the typhoon black screens on 240p

Memory manager applications

For those who are testing stuff

[distant grove]

He updated the link again this morning I think

[marble jetty]

Ok, no clue when Sorg is going to merge these changes so I updated the pins to include the latest MiSTer unstable.

[marble jetty]

Thanks, friend!

[distant grove]

@marble jetty

[marble jetty]

Ok on it

[distant grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-sir-im-doing-my-best-spaceballs-weird-eyes-gif-16290044

Probably 6 different managers in that RAR

One is bound to work

[real rapids]

OMG, I finally figured out how to do the slide in Mortal Kombat II. It's not actually back+LK+HK. It's back back LK+HK. So tap back twice, don't hold it, and then press LK and HK at the same time. What a strange change!

[distant grove]

Must've been changed in the latest build

[frail bronze]

if I tried last week's test build and got it working, I should be able to just swap the old one out with this one and not have to change anything else, correct?

in terms of the core I mean

[marble jetty]

So is this already the best 3DO emulator in existence?

[storm moth]

It's the best 3DO emulator i've ever tried

|| I never tried any others ||

[dull knot]

MiSTer wins again!!

[visual sonnet]

This save crap is gonna keep me up all night lol

Latest main, latest core, still won't save.

[marble jetty]

Did you turn on auto save?

[visual sonnet]

Yes

[marble jetty]

The ones on Retroarch on the Pi 5 are kinda bad

[marble jetty]

I wouldn’t worry about it. It’ll probably work just fine for you in the next core update.

[visual sonnet]

Yeah. Most likely

[empty valley]

It's absolutely mind blowing coming from someone who got their MiSTer in 2020 that we have a working PSX, N64, Saturn, Jaguar/CD, CD-i and 3DO core now

[weak hound]

Wow. Didn’t even mention Dick Smith Wizzard. WTF man

[empty valley]

It'll always be the CreatiVision to me! Who the hell is Dick Smith anyways? lol Must have a huge ego to name a console after himself

[weak hound]

I always picture a man in robes forging dicks on an anvil

[empty valley]

lol it is probably the most outrageous console name ever. I think the only thing that comes close is the Gamate, which when you say, "I'm going to play with my Gamate" out loud sounds a little awkward

[weary rain]

https://retrozero.blog/2024/10/21/the-search-for-the-elusive-dmb-800-3do/

https://www.gotwalls.com/korean_3do/

[empty valley]

Damn that thing is a behemoth

[distant grove]

If it doesn't have maria, I have to question that title!

[marble jetty]

What’s Maria

[distant grove]

Don't worry about it mam

[marble jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-him-efe-omowale-assisted-living-he-look-so-funny-haha-gif-7078505333145405761

[distant grove]

https://youtu.be/baiWD3F6Xx0?si=QkDdT25okMxYOscC

Watch the particles after explosions. That is done using maria

[ivory ingot]

The reality is less exciting than what came from your imagination

[weak hound]

That’s the man at the anvil

[ivory ingot]

He owned the Australian equivalent of Radio Shack

This is Dick in his forging hat

I guess he in retrospect he did forge dicks since the logo for the company used to literally have his face on it

[cobalt zephyr]

really? I tried it on a Pi 4 and every game ran with little issue

[waxen otter]

is anyone else running into the same issue I'm having with the latest 3DO core via RetroTink 4K? I have constant pixel shimmer/wiggle when this core is loaded with DV1 either enabled or disabled

no other cores have ever done this on my MiSTer+RT4K

[ivory ingot]

Seemed like a few people earlier on today were reporting similar issues

[dire sinew]

Yeah, direct video is busted at the moment

[waxen otter]

okay, so, just stick w/ the old core or wait for an update?

I saw one suggestion for "scan doubler fx" but adjusting that just now didn't do anything

[signal mango]

You can output hdmi without direct video

[waxen otter]

kk

[dire sinew]

yeah, that's probably the best bet right now

or the old core

it depends on if you want to start your wing commander 3 playthrough or not :p

[night leaf]

I did not come in here expecting to see Tricky Dicky! aka where I was able to pirate a handful of games from their in-store PCs by bringing in a box of blank floppies

[gloomy flint]

Apologies for asking, but did anyone notice video shaking on the latest 3DO test core?

[gloomy flint]

Yep. That’s exactly what I’m experiencing now

[weary rain]

I think i’ll wait until the DV stuff gets sorted out

[frank flicker]

Just tested Twinkle Knights after update_all to get the Kanji.ROM and it's exactly the same as before = you get a short video of a Japanese women that says a little bit then it gets to a Game Over screen. It won't get into the game.

[frank flicker]

Were do you get the newest version ? On the MK2 video there is only 10.5 available.

[visual sonnet]

Download it. I think he just didn't update the file name

[marble jetty]

Pi-proganda!!

[hearty dragon]

just to confirm, only bin/cue formats supported currently, not chd?

[oak owl]

Do you get that flicker only with the tink 4k? Does it do that connected directly via HDMI?

[oak owl]

CHD works

[hearty dragon]

hmm okay gotta figure out why my roms aren't booting then. It loads my boot.rom file, maybe I have a bad bios file.

[marble jetty]

If you use update_all there is a bios downloader option you can turn on to make sure you get the right one

If you want to add one manually then the pins has instructions

[hearty dragon]

ah yep wrong hash

what happened was, I run my roms off a NAS, but update_all downloads the bios files to local storage. I thought I could just get away with moving a bios I had to my NAS folder. I just had to FTP the bios from update_all to the NAS folder and now working great.

[limber patrol]

Does anyone else have video sync issues using a RetroTink 4k with the 3DO core update from yesterday? The first core works fine for me.

[forest lichen]

yes, it's a known issue

[drowsy phoenix]

When will a single RAM version of the 3DO core for MiSTer FPGA arrive? Will it take months or nearly a year?

[storm moth]

Could take days, months, years or never

[ionic plank]

june 31st

[dire sinew]

So I'm noticing that, on CRT, the shimmering we are seeing over the tink is happening there too. It's hard to see, but if you look close, you can see it. It's exaggerated over the tink because it's taking that 240p image and blowing it up

and when I say you have to get close, I mean like right up on the screen. easier to see in a static sprite

[weak hound]

Don’t want to jump to conclusions but has anyone considered the possibility the 3DO output is shite on original hardware 😉

You need the 1-2 dudes with a 3DO and a CRT to look

[dire sinew]

No one owns a 3do

Come on

[forest lichen]

try this

[grim goblet]

You need an updated MiSTer main #1329170138234097745 message to actually load the kanji rom, if you don't see a loading bar after loading boot.rom for kanji.rom, you don't have the required MiSTer main. Twinkle Knights does load with the BIOS from update all

[marble jetty]

Just as a reminder all this is posted on the pins

Check there first if you have any questions

except for the kanji tom stuff lol

I didn’t add it

fml

[ember seal]

didn't pixelFX just release the 3DO gem hdmi mod? there must be someone out there buying them

[rich tundra]

would be nice to see some osciloscope data from a real 3DO video output to have an idea of the real hardware timings

[ember seal]

we could probably ask woozle? they must of had to do some analysis

[covert wagon]

bushleague

[real rapids]

Robby is no longer at the pinnacle of his powers.

[gloomy flint]

I haven’t connected via HDMI anywhere else since. Just the Tink4K

[untold fog]

https://tenor.com/view/8-ball-reply-hazy-try-again-magic-8-ball-bunny-suit-deep-down-gif-10390473154521746904

[tidal dirge]

So glad to hear it now works with the 32M module, now I can try it out

[astral nova]

My FZ-1 never looked bad on a CRT, admittedly I haven't used a CRT in years and always used S-Video. It looks good through my RetroTink 5x to my television, even through two tiered analog video switches (S-Video and component.)

[weak hound]

Got it, must be the core then if it looked fine though a 5x

[covert wagon]

3DO has the best S video quality out of any console

[waxen otter]

the prior 3DO core has incredibly stable output via DV1 on a RT4K - which is but one reason why it's so gosh-darned impressive. the bigger issue w/ the current 3DO core via DV1 is that the image repeatedly jumps from center-aligned to left-aligned in addition to the flicker, which I've never seen in a test/nightly MiSTer core before, which makes it a fascinating issue! maybe it's a boring bug, I dunno.

even with audio popping in the last core and DV1 weirdness in this one, I'm just stoked 3DO is happening via FPGA

[visual sonnet]

3DO had perfectly fine video output on real hardware. I own both an FZ-1 and FZ-10 and they always looked fine on whatever I connected them to

[distant grove]

Better output than PS1 lmfao

[gloomy flint]

I can attest to that. Used to have my 3DO hooked up to a CRT. We didn’t get HDTV in our house until 2008 so I had quite a few years with CRT

[dire sinew]

it will get fixed - i have no doubt

[urban ivy]

Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I have the core and the Mister main, both are dated 26/03/28. The kanji firmware downloaded from update all, but it is not loading the Kanji font.

[sharp pendant]

I am wondering if something is wrong with the Kanji.rom file. Can someone who got a kanji.rom working confirm what file they are using and hash and I can look into this tomorrow

[grim goblet]

Downloaded via update all: md5 c23fb5d5e6bb1c240d02cf968972be37 kanji.rom
Confirmed working with twinkle knights

[storm moth]

I haven't got a chance to try it out yet but i'll see what happens later

[real rapids]

It works on my end. But not sure how to check the hash.

[sharp pendant]

So the one in the BIOS DB is working fine?

[grim goblet]

yes

[sharp pendant]

Brilliant, thanks for confirming

[urban ivy]

It's not working for me

[sharp pendant]

So presumably something is still buggy in the core

[real rapids]

Yes, that's how I got it as well.

[grim goblet]

When loading a game, after the loading bar for boot.rom, does it load kanji.rom ?

[urban ivy]

I have the same hash as above

[urban ivy]

Nope

[real rapids]

It always loads boot.rom first and then the kanji.rom right afterwards on my end.

It does that regardless of what game I play.

[grim goblet]

If you do not have a loading bar for kanji.rom, quadruple check that you have properly installed the required mister main file, the latest unstable does not work, you need the one from the pins

[storm moth]

Is it a main issue? Is the updated main in update all yet?

[sharp pendant]

I thought stable main worked now?

[real rapids]

It is not in update all.

[storm moth]

I think main fixed the controller issue

For osd menu

[grim goblet]

kanji rom loading requires a PR that hasn't been accepted yet, and it not in stable

[real rapids]

You need to use the one in the pins.

[sharp pendant]

Ah OK

And the "official" unstable main in unstable nightlies doesn't have the fixes needed i.e. you can't just run the unstable Main script?

[urban ivy]

Yeah I downloaded main from here. It is the 26/03/28

[grim goblet]

no, needs to be from pins, PR hasn't been accepted yet, it's on SRGs personal repo

[real rapids]

The current stable main is fine for the first build of the core though. Just not for the latest one that supports the kanji.rom

[sharp pendant]

OK, thanks chaps, hopefully it makes it into unstable Main soon

Has anyone checked Warner Music on the new core? That was one of the few not booting at all

[real rapids]

I haven't yet. Would need to add that one to my SD card.

[storm moth]

I'm curious what it even is lol

[distant grove]

[sharp pendant]

Me too!

I have no idea

Am exciting surprise

[distant grove]

It's an FMV thing for publishers showing the process of printing and shit

[sharp pendant]

Hah

[storm moth]

I figured it was some sort of promotional thing

[sharp pendant]

Wonder why it doesn't work

[distant grove]

I spent like 2 hours trying to get it to run in 2018, only to get presented with that bullshit and got super mad

[real rapids]

Aww yeah. That's what I'm talk'n about!

[distant grove]

Not encrypted

[sharp pendant]

Oh

[distant grove]

Need a nonRSA bios to run unencrypted images

[grim goblet]

You either need to remove your SD card and use a computer to transfer it, or you need to kill the MiSTer process on the mister itself before you FTP it over. FTP while the mister is running without doing that will not work. Quintuple check that you have properly moved it over, and if for any reason you modified your INI file from the first release to use a different mister main with the 3DO core, you need to remove that.

[ivory ingot]

Still blank/black screen 🙁

[urban ivy]

It boot to black screen on new core

[sharp pendant]

OK, that is good to know. Any other titles that are unencrypted?

Anyone want to try loading that BIOS and then Warner Music and see if it loads?

[real rapids]

I can add that note to the spreadsheet.

[distant grove]

There is two versions. One floating around unencrypted and another that's on a pressed disc with a long box that is.

The long box one hasn't been dumped as far as I'm aware

[sharp pendant]

Hmm, but only the unencrypted is in Redump?

[distant grove]

Probably

[sharp pendant]

Ah OK

[urban ivy]

I just tried it. Boots to black screen. Is there a special bios needed?

[distant grove]

It's the only one that came to public light years ago. The other one is in someone's personal collection

[sharp pendant]

I also suspect we will need to boot an arcade BIOS before those 4 arcade disc dumps in Redump (that I added to the sheet yesterday)

[distant grove]

Only betas and alphas should be unencrypted. So that's special use case shit. We don't even use unencrypted images in homebrew. It's an outdated thing only used back in the 90's for dev studios

[real rapids]

Okay, I added that note to the spreadsheet.

[ivory ingot]

When I boot up Twinkle Stars there's a short FMV of a girl talking then it just says GAME OVER. Is that expected?

[distant grove]

3do had to emcrypt your image. They didn't allow the studio to. They didn't want it reverse engineered back then

[grim goblet]

You do not have the new mister main, check the pins

[sharp pendant]

#1329170138234097745 message

[grim goblet]

or you haven't gotten the kanji rom from update all

[real rapids]

Trying to find Twinkle Stars on Youtube, and I only get a hit for "Twinkle Knights". Is that the same thing?

[ivory ingot]

This one? #1329170138234097745 message

[grim goblet]

yes 🙂

[grim goblet]

yes

[sharp pendant]

Does this nonRSA BIOS load everything else as well as the official retail BIOS we are using?

[distant grove]

It's twinkle knights

[ivory ingot]

:\ that's what I'm running

[distant grove]

It should load encrypted and unencrypted

But not the ALG arcade signed games. Only retail and unencrypted

[sharp pendant]

Is it the "best" BIOS in your opinion?

[grim goblet]

Run update all to get the kanji rom required, and then quintuple check and ensure you have the correct main. You will get a loading bar for kanji.rom after boot.rom when loading a game, unmissable

[distant grove]

There is no kanji nonrsa as far as I know. So I really wouldn't worry about the RSA thing, personally. He can probably bake the RSA check into the core.

[sharp pendant]

Ah nice OK

[ivory ingot]

I've run update_all. I've got the kanji.rom. I see kanji.rom loading when I start the game.

[sharp pendant]

If that can just be fixed in the core to get these non encrypted games to boot on regular BIOS then that would be ace

[distant grove]

The odes are all programmed to skip RSA checks. So he definitely could

[sharp pendant]

One for srg320 to look into then

What is the arcade BIOS needed for those games?

[ivory ingot]

Ah I was loading the wrong version. The version in @dire sinew dual ram folder is old, loaded the latest in unstable and it works. All his fault. You ruined my Monday morning @dire sinew 😛

[real rapids]

Okay, I'm adding Twinkle Knights and will check it myself as well.

[grim goblet]

sounds about right

[sharp pendant]

As an aside, anyone looking for the homebrew games on that tab, just check the info tab to find them

[urban ivy]

I think it was the Mister.ini. I edited it before to remove calls to the previous main, but I guess when I saved it, it didn't take. Thanks @grim goblet

[sharp pendant]

Ah yeah, anyone here having problems, make sure they didn't add the line to the .ini to use a custom Main for 3DO as they will be stuck on that version

We had same issue on CDi

[real rapids]

Is this girl in Twinkle Knights supposed to be an angel or something? 🤣

What the heck. Is this some kind of card game? It's so weird! But yes, it is working on my end.

[sharp pendant]

Great stuff

[real rapids]

Okay, I think that's enough Twinkle Knights for today for me. 😅

[sharp pendant]

Hopefully means the other games that were broken due to lack of kanji don't now run OK

[real rapids]

It's...definitely a game!

[dire sinew]

I live to serve

Dual ram version likely won’t see an update until a new stable mister main comes along.

(In the dual ram repo I mean)

[real rapids]

I was like !

[urban ivy]

I dont know. It's still isn't working

[sharp pendant]

Did you download the bespoke unstable main needed?

[urban ivy]

Yes. Downloaded from pins. Removed sd. Plugged into laptop. Deleted old main and copied new one. Edited ini to remove calls to old custom main. Put sd card back. Started core.

[urban ivy]

If saves are working, then I have the correct Mister main, right?

[storm moth]

Looks like ballz special edition defaults to kanji characters for move names with the kanji rom loaded. Old core with the same game file/rom didn't/doesn't do that

[visual sonnet]

Out of this world runs beautifully on the core. Played the game from start to finish. The 3DO version is my personal favorite version of the game

[distant grove]

Very few games will detect language and use it. It's interesting to see ballz is one of them.

[distant grove]

It's listed on 3dodev

Also need Sillypad control inputs

[covert wagon]

I cant remember...is the core running ISO for MK II or does that been to be converted to bin/cue @dire sinew (I just feel like you'd know)

or anyone really

[proper sparrow]

The image is now better on my CRT but still too much to the left. Wasn't there a mention that there would be a H/V alignment option in the core settings?

[visual sonnet]

I can try if need be. I converted mine to chd but I still have the iso on my PC

[covert wagon]

DMd you

[dire sinew]

ISO works fine

[covert wagon]

see I knew youd know

[frank flicker]

Yes and can confirm that the Kanji ROM works and Twinkle Knights is running now 🙂 .

[storm moth]

I figured this was intended behaviour but interesting to bring up

[distant grove]

Try primal rage with the kanji/Japanese bios next.

It should default to Japanese also

[storm moth]

Yea it does, i tested that one last night too but you can still select the country/language at start of the game

[covert wagon]

game works decently well in core but I pivoted away as I am running a "review" now that its done and the core isn't really 100% representational of the overall quality

[bitter lodge]

Is chd truly 1:1 bin/cue quality?

I'm scared to convert my library, lol

And too lazy to self-confirn

[ionic plank]

You can easily convert it back

[empty valley]

For CHD, as long as you convert the redump bin/cue set for all CD platforms, you should be good to go (except for the small list of games pinned on this thread that don't work with CD; make sure to check the pinned section for Saturn too)

I've never experienced any issues with CHD. Seems to be 1:1 for me

[grand nest]

I didn't realise that CHD wasn't supported but core seems to load the games I've tried with no problems so far.

[empty valley]

Yeah I haven't had much time to play with the 3DO core, but all my CHD games work with the 3DO core.

Is it supported, but it just doesn't say, "Insert .chd" on the OSD?

[bitter lodge]

Will chd merge the two discs into one?

I meant in general for CHD, not just 3DO

[empty valley]

No. Each disc remains seperate

[bitter lodge]

Word, thx

I just loaded Killing Time for the first time.

wow... uhh

So hard to imagine how 3DO failed.

[empty valley]

Be careful, you'll summon VGE and he'll educate us on how Killing Time is the best game of all time 🙂

[sharp pendant]

Sounds like the 3DO Main update has been merged in, so should just need to run the script to swap to that version instead of manually downloading the bespoke one posted here

[covert wagon]

Ill see you in the parking lot later

[ionic plank]

If you can stomach the framerate there’s a fantastic game in there. Only the strong survive

[distant grove]

Frame rate or gameplay

[covert wagon]

if KT ran at 30 fps consistent it would be hailed as one of the best games of the 90s

@bitter lodge is the soundtrack still clicking? I want to do a run now that we have saving and 100% if but that click drives me up the fucking wall haha

[dire sinew]

I wouldn't convert 3DO to CHD until we know the index 02 situation (which also cannot be converted back)

[covert wagon]

whats the question about it?

[proper sparrow]

does the CHD conversion work good?

[dire sinew]

CHD doesn't support it, and it can cause games to run funky if the core expects it. #1046941029296779344 message

[covert wagon]

Ahh I see

[dire sinew]

and if you convert to CHD, since the indexes beyond 1 are not preserved, there is no way to cleanly convert back

[tiny marsh]

Just need to grep the redump .cues to see how many there are

[dire sinew]

it was a lot for 3DO iirc

but I have no idea if the core cares

like, there are a couple for Sega CD, but the core doesn't know about index 02, so it doesn't care if they are missing

[tiny marsh]

True

[proper sparrow]

converting it back is not an issue. just download the iso's again from archive.org 😉

[covert wagon]

ok is main for 3DO now in just update_all branch? I need to run a full update on my dual ram today and its moved so much in the last week I cant keep track

[dire sinew]

for the most recent core (dated the 28th) you need the unstable main so you can save

[covert wagon]

my dual ram MiSTer is so out of date file wise because its the "capture" MiSTer so I just never touch it unless necessary

[vapid agate]

what are you capturing

[covert wagon]

whatever gameplay I need for videos

[tiny marsh]

Skill issue

[covert wagon]

dont fuck with the production equipment basically

I haven't even moved to Win 11

riding 10 out til the absolute bitter end

really what I need is a break lol...too much cool new shit in march

[gloomy flint]

Wait, you can do that?

[covert wagon]

huh?

[gloomy flint]

Capture gameplay videos inside MiSTer? Or do you mean you use a capture device?

[covert wagon]

capture card

my dual ram MiSTer is my capture chain MiSTer so it rarely if ever gets updated unless absolutely necessary

[gloomy flint]

Ahh, I have one of those myself but hardly use it anymore. I thought maybe they made it where you can capture footage with just the MiSTer.

[vapid agate]

if you hit the screenshot button fast enough, you could record video lol

[visual sonnet]

Works fine for me

[urban ivy]

I ran update_all and the Unstable script and it still isnt loading the kanji font.

[sharp pendant]

You deleted the old 3DO Main you had right?

[neat pawn]

you can convert back pretty easy, you just need to keep or download a new cue pack and convert chd to split bin, from there they can be rebuilt back to the correct dat checksums.

[urban ivy]

Yes. Saves work, but no Kanji font

[sharp pendant]

And you got the kanji ROM from bios dB, and you can see it on your SD card?

[urban ivy]

Yep and the checksums are correct

[dire sinew]

You could also download a new bin (or save the old bin/cue) and not have to convert back at all. My point is that there is no way to extractcd and get out exactly what you put in

you have to supplement

[neat pawn]

yea... the cue's hold the missing index data, but all the bin data is there

but restoring bin/cue from chd is trivial if you have already used dat programs to verify your dumps

[spring basin]

so basically not trivial for a ton of people.

[neat pawn]

yea lol... but i mean if they want to go back its doable pretty easy

maybe not so much if they got something not in a dat

[dire sinew]

All Index 02 3DO discs

[spring basin]

I wonder what it even uses that index for, if at all

[dire sinew]

probably nothing. but it makes my eye twitch

[dire sinew]

that's a question for Zakk. Last I heard, they shut down his petition to fix it

[spring basin]

it cannot. chd v5 can have arbitrary metadata tags, but there's no defined tag for it and it doesn't do anything with the info in the cue shit when creating a chd

same with multi-session discs

metadata can be arbitrary, but helpfully you cannot write additional metadata to an already compressed chd

[tiny marsh]

Very helpful

[plain ginkgo]

I m not sure what is index 02 : i check the cue file of some of the cue/bin i have and for example for braindead 13 disc 2 i have this :

CATALOG 0000000000000
FILE "Brain Dead 13 Starring Fritz (USA)(Disc 2).iso" BINARY
  TRACK 01 MODE1/2048
    INDEX 01 00:00:00

Generally i got my dumps from redump but i m not sure for the 3DO ones (or perhaps the index 02 is not indicated in the cue file?)

[dire sinew]

ISO is going to be different than bin/cue

[spring basin]

well that's not a redump image

[dire sinew]

  TRACK 01 MODE1/2352
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
    INDEX 02 47:47:15

[plain ginkgo]

Ok thanks, i know what i will do tomorrow 😁

[dull knot]

Damn, my 3DO games are all in CHD

Am I screwed?

[visual sonnet]

I have yet to come across a 3DO game I have in CHD that refuses to boot

[spring basin]

it's not even clear what index 02 does, if anything. so probably not

[dire sinew]

we don't know if the core understands it

[grim goblet]

Misterclaw knows

[proper sparrow]

Don't play innocent. No one has all the games owned the use on the mister.

[dire sinew]

Oh I'm not making a comment about downloading it. Let he who is without sin and all that

[signal mango]

I haven't installed Mister claw. Am i missing out?

[oak owl]

Wanted to try the new build with saves. 2 of my previous working games are broken for me, fifa soccer (cannot enter gameplay) and super wing commander (seems pressing start does nothing so cannot start game). Maybe I need something extra?

[dire sinew]

Delete your 3do.cfg

And make sure you’re on the unstable mister main that came out this morning

[oak owl]

Oh, that's what's missing then. I thought the last stable was all I needed. Thanks!!

[real rapids]

Gonna play some more 3DO tonight. Need my fix!

[inland bronze]

Does 3DO already work with just a 128MB memory module? 🫣

[ivory ingot]

Single RAM? No

[real rapids]

Dual RAM only still. No idea if it'll ever be single RAM, but I'm sure that's the goal.

[thin sequoia]

Got my second 128M RAM module yesterday, loving the 3DO core so far, I like a fool sold a mint Panasonic 3DO around 2006 after being disappointed the system was locked to PAL 50 irrespective of the game I tried. P.S is it possible to accidently plug back in the Mister top cover backwards? As the buttons do nothing now I removed the analogue IO PCB.

[dull knot]

@thin sequoia the arduino pins are probably not inserted correctly

[thin sequoia]

@dull knot I meant to say plugged in upside down not backwards *derp. From memory the connector went back in as expected, but I wondered whether I' put it in upside down.

[compact yacht]

Mine is also a pal version,but recapped it,mnemo usb host and pixelFx retro gem,hope one day there is a way to convert it to ntsc console.

[floral hamlet]

As well as what @dire sinew mentioned, I had to delete the saves that had been created with the older main, otherwise I still got the NVRAM full message in NFS.

[dire sinew]

finally, you admit it

[covert wagon]

its a tiny internal ram for saves. Thats shitty lol

therefor...shitters full!

[tribal sandal]

Wasn’t there a 3DO add-on released in Japan that could expand save storage?

[covert wagon]

yep

256KB expansion

[tribal sandal]

I guess back then that was seen as huge 😅

[ionic plank]

Twice as much storage as a PS1 memory card!

[covert wagon]

the fact 3DO didnt make you buy a memory card means we cant really shit on it for having a tiny internal storage

[empty valley]

Yeah it might be too early to ask this, but is the goal to make every game save to the internal memory with its own internal memory per game folder? Sort of like how the PSX and Saturn handle gave saves

[covert wagon]

That would make the most sense from a QOL standpoint but is that the plan? Dunno

[vestal steppe]

Same with Saturn. Hated all the PS bullshit back then "but PS1 in cheaper". Yeah Saturn had a built in memory card and in Europe it even came with RGB cables not shoddy composite like sony who sold their RGB cables separately

[grim goblet]

This is exactly how it's already been implemented.

[real rapids]

I hated when N64 games required a memory card. Especially the ones that also supported the rumble pak!

[dire sinew]

you had to get one of those 3rd party combo ones

[empty valley]

That’s one of the huge disadvantages of real hardware. Memory cards with limited space or internal hard drives with minimal space. Thankfully, MiSTer’s done a great job mitigating this issue

[dire sinew]

but a PS1 only plays PS1 games

ok, so PS1 and....checks notes sega master system

nevermind, you should buy a PS1

[gloomy flint]

Did you check our shitters, honey?

[gloomy flint]

I know there’s an external memory module but to this day, I’ve never seen one in person. Same with the supposed add on to let you watch Video CD’s.

[covert wagon]

They exist. Just not super common

[tiny marsh]

The audio is so bad

[sharp pendant]

I've gone and added a new column for "Grouping" that is basically the region for each game (although flagged Arcade as it's own group) which hopefuly makes things easier to read. I added a counter to the Homebrew tab as well (this could use some more testing, check info tab for where to find these games). I also tested the two "supermodel" games so you guys don't have to. No need to thank me there chaps, but I really had to take one for the team there...

I made a subfolder for arcade and put the 4 arcade games in there along with 3do_arcade_saot.rom but no signs of life. Not entirely sure if this BIOS should work for all of another might... But may be wrong BIOS, or maybe not supported currently

[sharp pendant]

OK, have purged all the ones commented as being a duplicate on the sheet. If anyone spots anymore I may have missed then flag as Duplicate in the Grouping column and comments and let me know

That is 53.3% of the library tested, so great work guys

[woven nimbus]

Can i use the latest unstable for this?

#unstable-nightlies message

or do I need the older mister:

#1329170138234097745 message

[real rapids]

Everything you need is in the pins. But yes, you need the latest unstable Main for the latest build of the core (which has save support).

[forest lichen]

Just for fun, I created a core version with horizontal adjustment for crt in the audio & video section (range from 0 to 29). Don't need to use the keyboard, and you can save your settings.

[woven nimbus]

Got it! Just wanted to see if the newer unstable that isn’t in the pin worked for this

[dire sinew]

Yep, as long as you're on the latest unstable, you are good. The only time you need the one from the pins is that if it is newer than the latest unstable

[woven nimbus]

I see! Thanks for the heads-up

[dire sinew]

It's not going to be universally true, but it should be true for this core because SRG usually PR's Main, rather than building bespoke Mains for testing

[oak owl]

Super wing commander controls do not work for me with 2 controllers enabled. Is it an issue with the core or was that an original game bug?

[sharp pendant]

Does it work with one controller enabled?

[oak owl]

Yes

[sharp pendant]

That's a curious bug, regardless if on the core or the game. Maybe someone can confirm on real hardware.

[night leaf]

I was just thinking, this time last year we saw the first release of the 3DO core. How time flies!

I still have it on my MiSTer, probably need to remove it lol

[marble jetty]

wat

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/cX0sG5LFkXX.gif

[night leaf]

It's this one.

[marble jetty]

oh lol

[night leaf]

You already knew what it was 😄

[weary rain]

https://youtu.be/qbeK4i2M184

was this the only good emulator made for psx?

[signal mango]

Is it good? I just played mario 1 on a rpi 5 and it struggled.

[frank flicker]

Awesome mate. Tested it with about 20 games = works perfectly 🙂 . This H Shift option should be implemented in @crisp zealot core / work.

[kindred oriole]

Hi everyone, sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there any news on a 3DO core for single RAM MiSTer builds? Or is it technically impossible?

[ivory ingot]

No news

[umbral charm]

Far too soon.

[marble jetty]

Every time someone asks I delay the single ram release by a month. Sorry those are the rules.

[crisp zealot]

Next beta release.

[dire sinew]

On a Wednesday no less!

[marble jetty]

@slender fox + @covert wagon

[covert wagon]

ooo fun

the worst update...the one that doesn't reference individual games haha. Hard mode

if anyone notices anything fundamental ping me

[marble jetty]

I noticed that the core got updated

[covert wagon]

bout all I can expect out of you

[marble jetty]

I noticed that ur poopie

[covert wagon]

Shouldn't you be at work running the cold cut slicer?

[marble jetty]

yes

[covert wagon]

if I am reading it right its a video specific fix code and the new video clock hopefully gets the image aligned better

or maybe it runs M2 games...who knows!

I almost made a "I Made a 3DO M2 Core" vid for today but I remembered nobody has a sense of humor any more and I was just going to get yelled at and downvoted for it 🤣

[round tangle]

Seeing fake gaming announcements got old 20 years ago

[covert wagon]

Everyone is mad these days. I don't feel like creating the mad lol. I mean my video this morning already has people complaining so

[lilac knoll]

A quick google search of 3DO M2 shows your video in the AI overview

[covert wagon]

moon rock and silicon rock

[slender fox]

Some of us never grow old.

[slender fox]

You realise you complain more about complaining these days.

[covert wagon]

I complain about you the most

[slender fox]

Grok fact check the above

[covert wagon]

Austin Powers ass bean eating brit

lol apparently wan**r is banned? that was the perfect brit word to use

[slender fox]

Now, now, be nice to Austin

He also did Wayne's World

I have been in the receiving end of those for years.
I am a wankee, it's always a happy ending 😂

[sharp pendant]

Chaps, this is the 3DO chat and we have a new test build and the developer present. Let's try keep on topic.

[slender fox]

Whoops, my bad.

[slender fox]

Have you tested any games yet?

On the new build?

[covert wagon]

lol I thought I was still in share media

[slender fox]

Same lol

[sharp pendant]

No, but that is the new build now in the WIP DB for anyone using that

[slender fox]

I'll give it a play when I get home later.

[covert wagon]

ill try with KT later today. Waiting for the audio click to go away before I do a 100% test

[sharp pendant]

Anyone who can help test and log results in the testing sheet is much appreciated 🙂

[covert wagon]

ill start poking at stuff after I finish the days videos

[sharp pendant]

Oh, something you may know, someone mentioned that Super Wing Commander doesn't load with second controller enabled, is this a bug on original hardware do you know?
#1329170138234097745 message

[covert wagon]

not that I've ever heard of. @distant grove you know?

[distant grove]

Never heard of this.

[covert wagon]

didnt think so

I mean I can throw it in my FZ-1 later to confirm but I feel like that would be a well known bug if it existed

[sharp pendant]

Very likely a core bug then, although if either of you chaps are able to check easily on real hardware would be good to rule that out

Does seem like something someone would have spotted by now though as you say

[covert wagon]

ill try this afternoon. It doesn't load? or it doesn't control? OG message is vague

[covert wagon]

haha I realized if I waited Id forget and I am sitting at my desk...it works fine. Only caveat is I am using an ODE not a disc but I highly doubt that affects anything...but it is the one variable

[dire sinew]

I can check wing commander in a second. It seems like direct video is fixed, but CRT output may be borked?

[forest lichen]

Looks fine for me

[dire sinew]

ok, then likely something in my setup

[covert wagon]

I dont envy tracking down CRT issues. HDMI is HDMI...shit doesn't change. Direct Video setups? So many variables

[dire sinew]

Super Wing Commander booting fine with 2 controllers, and both controllers set to digital

on the latest build

[sharp pendant]

Nice, well that issue can be put to bed then

[covert wagon]

hows the audio clicking this time around?

I cant test til after lunch but I am V curious if anything like the clicking in audio tracks in KT and other games is improved at all

[dire sinew]

I can look in a second. in KT are they immeidate?

[covert wagon]

yeah right in the first area you get a click in the audio

and for me personally it drills its way into my brain. My goal was to do a 100% KT run to look for bugs but with the clicking I cant hang

[turbid glade]

With Gamma Correction set to on, the color is kind of weird.

[grand nest]

This threw me too, seems to be ok with gamma off.

[tribal sandal]

Although a different game I just tested Ssft2 Turbo and the audio clicks are still there so i am not sure if anything on the audio side of the core has been worked on but maybe KT will be different.

[sharp pendant]

This is seemingly fixed in the current build if you want to confirm it is fixed your end

[covert wagon]

ill try in a bit if @dire sinew doesn't beat me to it

one more voice over and I am out of stuff to talk about today and should probably go do something else

[dire sinew]

still clicking

[covert wagon]

Damn. I had a feeling

[dire sinew]

Ok, I was wondering why it looked off

[covert wagon]

ok putting the 100% run off for a bit. Maybe its just me but that clicking is like nails on a chalkboard over time

[tall marsh]

I understand there is a message for me?

WHY I OUGHTTA

[mortal mulch]

Yo, does the core still require a custom Main to run?

[dire sinew]

it requires unstable main

[vapid agate]

not an april fools joke is it

[dire sinew]

it is not

[vapid agate]

https://tenor.com/view/sussy-cant-prove-it-dexter-meme-watching-you-gif-9798020366711361227

[dire sinew]

although you do have to turn gamma correction off

[turbid glade]

Nishimura Kyoutarou Travel Mystery - Akugyaku no Kisetsu - Tokyo Nanki Shirahama Renzoku Satsujin Jiken (Japan) -> This game seems not pass bios part trying 3DO FZ-1 (jp, jp-norsa and US) with kanji.rom

[grim goblet]

Is that new to this build on your system? I got it to boot and into game on the previous build when kanji support was added

[turbid glade]

testing with 1st april core

what is the bios do you use ?

[grim goblet]

The ones provided by update all

[turbid glade]

if you have time could you please confirm with new build ?

[gloomy flint]

I was trying out Wolfenstein 3D before leaving the house, it was working fine over direct video to the RT4K with my save file still present.

[dire sinew]

it boots to a blue screen here

I haven't touched any of the bios roms though. I assume I have them

Do I need the JP bios for it?

[turbid glade]

same blue screen

I have tested with other bioses but no luck

[dire sinew]

will be interesting to see if it boots for beardo

[covert wagon]

3DO really has a "too many damn bios variants" problem lol

[dire sinew]

not as bad as saturn

[covert wagon]

how many does Saturn have? I have ten for 3DO in a folder here. Too damn many

and thats just for Panasonic haha

[grim goblet]

@turbid glade @dire sinew Can confirm it's still booting just fine on todays core, verified redump image, using the BIOS files provided by update all

[vapid agate]

saturn is just a mess of revisions in general

[turbid glade]

ok will check hashes and see if it is updated lately

[dire sinew]

Do you have a JP bios too?

MD5 (/Volumes/MiSTer/games/3DO/boot.rom) = f47264dd47fe30f73ab3c010015c155b
thejesusfish@mini ~ % md5 /Volumes/MiSTer/games/3DO/kanji.rom 
MD5 (/Volumes/MiSTer/games/3DO/kanji.rom) = c23fb5d5e6bb1c240d02cf968972be37```

[grim goblet]

I have the files provided by update all, which match those md5s yes. In my testing on the first core release, no other BIOS would work properly.

[turbid glade]

the hashes match redump set on my side and I have same md5 as TheJesusFish

[dire sinew]

let me try replacing the game images. I'm pretty sure I built this set from redump, but that was a year ago (when the core was announced)

Yeah, blue screen. Very weird

[grim goblet]

The colors in todays build are quite off for me, and I'm getting vertical banding on everything.

[dire sinew]

turn off gamma correction

[grim goblet]

yup, that fixed it 👍

[dire sinew]

@sharp pendant something is up with the 3DO bios

[storm moth]

I couldn't get that game booting either in previous cores, odd jollybeardo is the only one able to run it

[covert wagon]

lol is it...identifying Tamagotchi core bios files as 3DO

doesn't it check by hash to verify its not a duplicate?

or maybe thats just a line break to the next section but...doesnt look it

[dire sinew]

no no, that's a different issue. the boot rom is separate.

I think it's having trouble downloading it

[covert wagon]

haha ok I thought it was trying to insist the tamagotchi bios was for 3DO 🤣

[dire sinew]

Beardo is touched by God

[covert wagon]

also I forgot we even had that core

[covert wagon]

or at least a priest

lol ill see myself out now

[marble jetty]

I mean, tech-wise its basically the same thing, have you seen a Tamagotchi try to run NFS? It's like 12fps.

[dire sinew]

great, that means your tamagotchi is dead

some father you are

[covert wagon]

Outsold Borderlands I bet

lost to virtual pets

[marble jetty]

so did 3DO 😢

[covert wagon]

not in our hearts!

[marble jetty]

GOOD

[covert wagon]

go make a new game! BorderGotchi

sell 300 million easily

[marble jetty]

I would if I could

I love Tamagotchi

[covert wagon]

TrainaGotchi would be your perfect game

Run'A'Train'A'Gotchi'Lands 5

[marble jetty]

I feel like unfortunately you'd be a perfect fit for our marketing department lmao

unfortunately because then I'd have to work with you and go "ha ha yes M2 is great, haha yes I like trains"

[covert wagon]

Hire me! I am board room gold. I can still shoot under par on a golf course, I can outdrink any executive or investor who wants to be shown a good time, I can fly internationally and buy humans out of prison by paying blood money and be back by breakfast the next day and I know video games

also I am only 5'6" so I don't take up a ton of space but also I only accept corner offices or better so I take up a LOT of space

[sharp pendant]

That is weird it isn't grabbing the 3DO BIOS for you, nothing has changed there since I set it up...

We should remove Tamagochi from WIP though

[marble jetty]

yeah I think so. It's an abandoned core, same with his LCD one.

[covert wagon]

WNIP - work not in progress

NIP cores - not in progress. Even better

[sharp pendant]

Maybe someone should port Tamagochi over if this is the case

[dire sinew]

✅

[sharp pendant]

OK, Tamagochi purged from WIP

Have flagged with thepsylon about the 3DO BIOS, nothing has changed there so no idea why it isn't coming down anymore

[untold fog]

ODEs definitely can, IIRC there were some bugs on the Saturn core that were happening with the Satiator and I think Fenrir ODEs too, only using a real disk showed that it was a bug and not how the real hardware functioned.

[real rapids]

Nice! New build on the day of fools! Perfect for us 3DO peeps. But seriously, I'll get to testing some games after my doctors appointment later today!

[sharp igloo]

It is gonna sound like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI55bCR4YqE

[real rapids]

The latest versions of the core need the unstable main.

Only the first build of the core runs fine with the stable main.

[iron tundra]

Try it. It works fine.

[real rapids]

Did you try to save with it?

The new features do not work with the stable main.

[iron tundra]

I never tried to (manually) save.

[grim goblet]

New unstable features like saving and the kanji rom do not work on stable main

[true idol]

is the horizontal adjustment included on the new beta? I love that option for us CRT users

[forest lichen]

No sorry

[deft gull]

archive.org returns Service Unavailable error (503)

[slender fox]

Someone chuck me a game to start a 3DO video with please

NFS still not working for me

[oak owl]

Nice to know. Won't be near my mister for a few more hours but will surely check.

[unreal ravine]

The Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon fighting game

[slender fox]

What the exact title please?

[unreal ravine]

Stand by

[slender fox]

Got it

All Good

[unreal ravine]

That’s the one

[slender fox]

Will be in straight after Ballz

Thank you

, Feel free toi drop a few more names

[unreal ravine]

The opening cinematic of Sailor Moon is a good kind of terrible

[slender fox]

I'll keep checking during segments

[unreal ravine]

StarBlade, Star Control II, Dragon’s Lair

Zhadnost The Peoples Party

For what it’s worth: I have a 3DO with an ODE, but holy goodness would this core be more convenient for me to use. I’m waiting for the day we get a single sdram build so I can play along on my CRT

[waxen otter]

Hmm new 3DO core has no audio for me while in dv1 mode connected to my retrotink 4k. Not seeing other mentions of this issue today. Anyone know what might be going on? Just checked and other cores have proper audio, but new 3do core is silent.

I suppose that's one solution to clicking lol

[unreal ravine]

Do you have the latest unstable main?

[waxen otter]

I believe so, v260331

that's the latest one in unstable nightlies

[unreal ravine]

I’m out of ideas. I’d like to help confirm but I don’t have the mats

[slender fox]

all good

[waxen otter]

at least the video flicker via dv1 is gone, but hopefully the silence issue is an easy fix either for me or the core dev. Glad to see continued progress!!

[marble jetty]

lol

[covert wagon]

So Ballz deep?

[slender fox]

Keep it clean VGE

this aint Share Media

[slender fox]

Thanks for this.

[shy dirge]

I love some 3d ballz

[storm moth]

Does the 3DO have the best version of Ballz?

[slender fox]

It certainly would seem that way.

Although I think @covert wagon has more experience handling Ballz than myself.

@unreal ravine thanks for your help, and congratulations 🎉
You made it on the thumbnail

[unreal ravine]

Oh? How so? I feel blind.

[slender fox]

You have to zoom into the circle on the 3DO logo.

I often hide random things related to the background of the video in thumbnails. They don't get picked up, but they're there.

[unreal ravine]

Got it!

[slender fox]

You're internet famous now, welcome to the high rollers.

[marble jetty]

congrats, you can sit next to me, forever enshrined as train guy. Welcome to the club, 3DO guy.

https://tenor.com/view/omg-what-oh-gif-11416268

[covert wagon]

I wheel mine around in the wheelbarrow all day

[real rapids]

Okay, it'll be a bit longer before I can help test the new build. Not feeling so hot after returning from my doctor's appointment...

[slender fox]

All the best buddy

[marble jetty]

you’re supposed to get better after visiting the doctor, not worse!

you have it backwards!!!!

[real rapids]

They stuck some needles in my neck to help with my arthritis pain. Just a test procedure this time that only lasts 24 hours. Just feeling light headed and shaky at the moment.

[marble jetty]

awwwwww

it’s like they injected booze into you

[mystic abyss]

Colors are messed up for me on the latest core. Tint is messed up. Anyone else having this issue?

This is over hdmi

[zenith dragon]

Testing the new build, it seems there’s an issue with the gamma adjustment option. The colors look washed out, which didn’t happen with the previous core.

Using HDMI

[sharp pendant]

ANyone have the image bouncing up and down on any games on this core?

[mystic abyss]

Yup. It's the gamma. Thanks for pointing it out. Turning it off did the trick.

[tiny marsh]

Feel better ❤️

[real rapids]

So what types of things would today's build likely address? Would just make it easier to know what to look out for.

[dire sinew]

direct video works again

[storm moth]

flickering stuff i guess

[real rapids]

Like for example I tested Need for Speed to see if there were any improvements to the visual corruption during races. The large parts of the screen where big horizontal lines of color flash for example. And that stuff was still there, but no idea if the update would have even attempted to address that type of issue.

[covert wagon]

lies. you had another cheese curd stuck in your nose

number 1 reason for doctors visits in Wisconsin

[real rapids]

Well that's just a permanent part of me. Why would I fix that?

[covert wagon]

1 - cheese curd in nose 2 - New Glarus bottle stuck in the keister 3 - heart attack 4 - cheese curd filled bottle of New Glarus stuck in keister

[sharp pendant]

Keep an eye out for image bouncing up and down, I have seen that today but don't have the old build to check against right now

[covert wagon]

HDMI or DV?

[sharp pendant]

HDMI

[storm moth]

I have something like that happen with my main ini, I've been switching to the example ini everytime I use the core to fix it. Haven't been bothered enough to figure what's causing it

It's been doing it since day one release of the core. Haven't tried today's release yet

[covert wagon]

hasn't appeared in any of my captures

[sharp pendant]

That's over 400 titles tested now, great work

[covert wagon]

I need to look at the testing sheet. See what doesnt

@sharp pendant you can add Killing Time RE2 to the Playable category

[sharp pendant]

You can request access and add yourself, bad form to have someone log something they haven't tested 😉

[covert wagon]

but I am lazy and I want you to handle my log for me

requested. Someone go approve me! lol

[sharp pendant]

done

[covert wagon]

It I didn't know the testing sheet was serious Id have written "hard to play with one hand" under the notes of the adult titles lol

[sharp pendant]

I resisted the temptation to fill them all in with the comment "Very sexy!" and "Robby" as the tester.

Anyways, we don't want any mucking about on the testing sheet

[covert wagon]

haha hence why I didnt do it

[sharp pendant]

I don't know what Bodyconscious Digital Rave! Part 1 is, but is there a part 2?

[covert wagon]

haha no clue

I also have some weird ass Japanese titles I need to check if they are on the sheet...the redump people sent them to me like a decade ago to dump. Its like...learn english for Japanese people?

[sharp pendant]

Maybe one for @distant grove - is it undumped or just something that doesn't exist?

[covert wagon]

not that anyone will ever actually load them up

[real rapids]

Not noticing any obvious differences yet in any of the games I've tested.

[sharp pendant]

Actually, are there any titles that aren't part of redump but in another pack like no intro?

[covert wagon]

ooh good question

[sharp pendant]

Oh, you should dump them - good time to do it, extra testing material if nothing else

[covert wagon]

I did forever ago for redump

so I am sure they'd be on the list

[sharp pendant]

Ah, yes there is...

Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer - No-Intro Non-Redump

Battle Sport (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-05-11).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:17 130.1M
Bladeforce (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-07-14).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 02:43 114.8M
Bladeforce (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-08-08).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 02:45 122.9M
Captain Quazar (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-09-21).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 02:49 304.7M
Gex (Unknown) (Proto).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 02:51 175.2M
Killing Time (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-08-28).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:01 411.6M
Killing Time (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-11-30).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:06 410.1M
Killing Time (Unknown) (Beta) (2.2).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 02:56 412.7M
Need for Speed, The (Unknown) (Beta) (1994-11-03).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:11 420.7M
Orbatak (Unknown) (Proto).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:13 96.2M
Shootout at Old Tucson (Unknown) (Proto).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:13 47.7M
Slam 'n Jam '95 (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-04-11).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:13 18.9M
Star Fighter (Unknown) (Beta) (1995-09-14).zip (View Contents) 03-Jul-2022 03:15 139.6M

I can chuck them on a new tab I guess if anyone wants to give them a go

[covert wagon]

whatever TF that is

yep they are on the sheet: Naoko and Hidebo The Genius of Japanese language 1

[sharp pendant]

OK, anyone feeling adventurous, there are 13 titles on the Non-Redump tab of the testing sheet

[real rapids]

Added "V Goal Soccer '96 (Japan)" to the playable list in the spreadsheet. Just some audio popping issues, but otherwise seems to look and play fine.

[sharp pendant]

Oh wow... I think I won the 3DO random disc lottery. "Bodyconscious Digital Rave! Part 1" is literally just a montage of Japanese women dancing in a nightclub in bizarre, skimpy outfits while hard early-90s rave music plays... Next time someone pops up whining about the content of the PC-FX then send them this way. Apex 3DO there.

Oh wow, the voice over is amazing...

[dire sinew]

finally, games without politics

[sharp pendant]

it just flashed up "Gypsie Queen" on the screen and I don't know why...

A Japanese man with a very limited grasp of English voiced over "Cosplay... Bikini... T-back..." complete with text overlays. I have no idea what "T-back" is, but I bet it's amazing.

Alas, all good things have to come to an end...

Anyways, I tried three of the Non-Redump titles and none of them boot, I suspect they are likely unencrypted so need that check fixed in the core as was discussed yesterday

[distant grove]

I've never been one to keep up with what softcore porn exists in the library

[orchid lance]

Is it me, or today's BETA 3DO core has inverted red/blue resulting on very strange colors over HDMI?

Huh, it seems to happen when I chose any preset on Video Processing except "Bilinear Only" which is fine

Strange

[ivory ingot]

I turned off gamma correction in the video processing settings to fix it

[covert wagon]

liar you told me you got tennis elbow from it

[orchid lance]

Ah yes, that works around the problem.

But that's a regression, isn't it? Wasn't there in the previous BETA

[ivory ingot]

Yeah sounds like a regression

[harsh portal]

I'd settle for midwest fit most days of the week tbh

[sharp pendant]

Unreleased
Bodyconscious Digital Rave! Part 2: Akasaka & Maebashi [TPS-18013] - advertised on Super Model Gail McKenna spinecard
Bodyconscious Digital Rave! Part 3 [TPS-18014] - advertised on Super Model Gail McKenna spinecard

What a wee shame

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Panasonic_3DO_-_Asia_Undumped_Discs

[covert wagon]

we really lost out on the true hidden gems

[sharp pendant]

I never thought it was possible to mourn for something that never lived...

[zenith dragon]

Thanks for confirming that the gamma adjustment isn’t working as it should in today’s new build.

[waxen otter]

...so has anyone else run into "zero sound from the 3DO core, all other cores work fine" issue that I'm having via DV1/RetroTink 4K?

[oak owl]

Not really fixed on my part. Super Wing Commander (USA) control still refuses to work unless I disable the second controller. Once I start the game I can reenable the second controller and still works, so I have no idea what can be wrong. I deleted 3do.cfg just in case. Edit: Did a bit more testing now, seems I need a second controller connected, not just enabled in settings for it to work. With the second controller enabled but not connected the first controller is dead. As soon as I connect a second controller the main controller starts working. If someone else has no issues then I am at a loss. By the way I am using a couple of m30 2.4ghz usb.

[dire sinew]

sorry, I meant to check this. Hold on

[dire sinew]

Getting sound ok here

[sharp pendant]

Weird... Anyone testing right now able to check and see if they get the same behaviour?

[waxen otter]

bizarre, I have latest MiSTer unstable file, update_all run as of this morning, and just no sound from the core. I'll use other cores both before and after without changing any settings, and they get sound, but not the current 3DO core.

[dire sinew]

bin / cue? or CHD?

[gloomy flint]

I dunno but I have mine connected direct video through HDMI to my RetroTink 4K and I had sound just fine when playing Wolfenstein 3D. I’ll test more in a bit

I am using BIN/CUE Redump for my games. Only use CHD for cores I know work with them. I didn’t think this core works with CHD yet.

[grim goblet]

I haven't tried any index 2 games, but I've tried to compare every game I've tested with bin/cue and chd, and so far I haven't noticed any issues with the chd versions that aren't currently present in bin/cue versions as well.

[gloomy flint]

@slender fox I shot this real quick on my setup so you can see it working. Not sure where the part didn’t work for you, but playing for a few minutes, it worked for me, albeit with a few graphical glitches:

https://youtu.be/29l-bjoxsvQ?si=XEOrZzx-r8Hv9d6w

Forgive the fan in the background

[dire sinew]

SRG is cooking

[proper sparrow]

Does the latest unstable have the HVshift also included?

[covert wagon]

audio clicks you say!

[tiny marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[covert wagon]

you watch Killing Time WONT have audio clicks and today-sun I have no time to sit down and play haha

[ionic plank]

He added more clicks to killing time just to spite you

[covert wagon]

Including Mrs Esoterica and I we have 16 people for Easter so the only time I have is YT time / client time / cleaning time

[covert wagon]

good! Then he can remove them monday after the holiday 😆

[turbid glade]

road rash has it

[low drift]

I can't believe how fast is this core improving

[marble jetty]

Road and Track has worked for me since the first release

[forest lichen]

It's great that Need for Speed now has crystal-clear sound ❤️

[covert wagon]

can someone check KT for me? Just so I know...and can suffer the wait if the audio is fixed lol

and/or @marble jetty pin the new core already! What are we paying you for (forgets we arent paying you)

[forest lichen]

Killing Time sounds great

[marble jetty]

There’s a new core?

[grim goblet]

yes, but it has't been built/posted yet

[covert wagon]

well theres a commit...cant you make a COMMITment to finding it for me

[grim goblet]

oh, there we go

[marble jetty]

lol

[covert wagon]

lol like a ray of sunshine from behind the clouds

predictive prodding @marble jetty

[covert wagon]

damn it...I mean yay!

[marble jetty]

Ok updated peeenots

[untold fog]

Wish I could test it ||soon though...||

[covert wagon]

same unstable as before?

[forest lichen]

#1329170138234097745 message

[covert wagon]

aww screw it ill try it for a minute

ugh the controller binding problem is back again for me on the main OS

and fixed

every new unstable remaps my Series X controller into the wildest shit lately

KT sounds perfect to me

[forest lichen]

Yeah, that's a great improvement.

[covert wagon]

lol well the HUD went missing when I used cheat codes so...thats odd

[low drift]

I can't test the new core until tomorrow. Is the h position corrected?

[gloomy flint]

As in the Video Game Esoterica channel? I sub to you! Watch you when I want to wind down for the night or while I’m eating meals in the kitchen.

[covert wagon]

An odd seam

[covert wagon]

Haha yes that’s me

[marble jetty]

@sharp pendant + @dire sinew

[dire sinew]

There is already a PR waiting. Dandy is probably doing something important

I'm just terminally online

[ionic plank]

We’re in the presence of many celebrities here on the mister discord

[covert wagon]

and me 🤣

[covert wagon]

ignore the HUD comment. I forgot there was a three key combo for clean screenshots they added in during the dev phase

Minus that one odd pink seam which Id need to check on real hardware KT seems perfect

[waxen otter]

whelp I still have zero sound from todays core on my MiSTer Pi

[storm moth]

Did accidentally mute it?

[waxen otter]

unsure what to test or check

same as what I reported yesterday, all other cores have sound, latest Mister file, etc

[storm moth]

Like when you go in osd and go to menu to the left it doesn't say muted?

[dire sinew]

did we talk about your games? where did you get them?

[dire sinew]

this too. you can mute the individual core sound

[waxen otter]

oKay nothing muted in osd, but I did go to the left and change one setting there,

config changed from 'main' to 'exam'

that brought sound back

....but what is that??

[grim goblet]

It's the example ini, which if that is the case something is wrong with your main ini file

[waxen otter]

huh, same ini file I had for initial core rollout with dv1 enabled

and sound worked for that

[gloomy flint]

I should say so lol

[waxen otter]

one sec I can grab and share that ini...

pretty sure I grabbed this from a retrotink 4k wiki or user

yep from here: https://consolemods.org/wiki/AV:RetroTINK-4K/System_Specific_Settings#MiSTer.ini_File

oKay well update: I fixed it

i used whatever's at the wiki rn

and now I have sound

[gloomy flint]

If I already have direct video enabled, do I still need this for the RT4K, or just add the bottom stuff to an existing MiSTer.ini?

[waxen otter]

so whatever I'd manually set, or whatever I had failed to update, is fixed

[covert wagon]

Missing sound is such an issue on Tink. Even in the most recent firmware…half the time I plug anything into my capture card it won’t capture sound unless you unplug and plug it back in

I had Andy D double blind confirm the issue (two filmmakers who deal with this shit) but when mentioned it was just a brigading of “you are doing it wrong” sadly

[waxen otter]

ahem so for future ref: something about my older ini file played poorly with the 3do core + rt4k + dv1, and the fix for zero sound is to hit up the wiki and get their updated ini

[covert wagon]

Well killing time is basically perfect. Only issue in my limited testing is this

You can beat the game with cheats. So there’s that

I’ll have to check on my 3DO thought. It might just be such a clean output it shows up where it’s hard to notice in analog signals

[dire sinew]

and we are sure that doesn't happen on real hardware

[covert wagon]

Like I said need to check. I always play the game on my PVM on real hardware so it COULD be there and it just blends in better than on MiSTer

Big diff between 240p and 1080p in seeing stray pixels

[covert wagon]

Not seeing a pink line

[calm night]

It’s ok for the mister to be a little gay

[covert wagon]

Well that’s my testing contribution for the day. Errant line of pixels at a texture / polygon (cel) seam

[mossy kernel]

I feel like it deserves it. It was the PlayStation before the real thing came out back then.

[covert wagon]

I cant wait for the wave of revisionist 3DO videos where all the big channels suddenly "discover" the "3DO is actually...GOOD"

[untold fog]

Don't worry, that won't happen

(Just joking)

[round tangle]

There's nothing youtubers love more than to pretend they found the hidden gem

[covert wagon]

rumor has it all these years later you still cant find the...hidden gem

[grand nest]

Played through several games, almost all the sound issues are fixed with latest build, SSF2T sounds awesome. Looks like the gamma correction has been disabled in this build 020426?

[covert wagon]

I mean I just played Killing Time but honestly its like 99.99% a 3DO

[round tangle]

Not gonna lie, I would never have guessed street fighter came out on the 3do

[left stump]

It's amusing to me seeing people excited about the core and enjoying the games even a little... though I doubt the joy will spread much further than this community into the general gaming population. Haha. They'll continue to be haters. Well, all of my friends enjoyed playing the 3DO with me when I was a kid anyways! I was very briefly the cool kid on the block for having one until the PlayStation released.

[covert wagon]

all the cool kids play 3DO. I guess even Robby is cool

@real rapids is an OG though. He's been waiving the 3DO flag for years

[covert wagon]

I can see the thumbnail now; shocked face, open mouth, 3DO FZ-1 in the thumbnail...title "Is the 3DO...GOOD???"

then they'll spend the entire video pretending they discovered it themselves

[ionic plank]

You should get in on that before everyone else does

[weary rain]

Hopefully it leads to more translations

[covert wagon]

I really should tell people 3DO is good! Why havent I????

[untold fog]

Feels like that scene from Liar Liar where he tried to lie that the pen is red

[covert wagon]

@real rapids guess what! the 3DO...is GOOD!

[mossy kernel]

Even better than the Atari Jaguar, and the Amiga CD 32?

[ionic plank]

Even better than the FM towns marty too

[covert wagon]

more like the FM Towns Farty amirite?

[untold fog]

But is it better than the Fairchild F?

[covert wagon]

more like Fairchild F- amirite?

I am going full Robby

[untold fog]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-now-there-are-two-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-gif-11488909

[sharp pendant]

Tangible improvements in todays build?

[grim goblet]

In audio yes, a few games I've tested have had notable improvements and some audio issues are completely gone.

in others audio issues still remain

[storm moth]

Same

[sharp pendant]

Road Rash playing really well, not seeing any issues there and sound is excellent. A music video has started playing and it sounds great

[zenith dragon]

I miss gamma correction in today’s build. It seems it was disabled. I hope it comes back in future builds.

[sharp pendant]

Nobody admitting to have tested "Penthouse Interactive - Virtual Photo Shoot Vol. 1 (Japan)" - have taken one for the team. Very bad audio crackle and drop outs pretty much immediately in today's build, so good quick test for remaining sound issue there

I love how Road Rash attract mode is to play early 90s alt rock music videos with lots of blown out colours, motorcycle stock footage and fish eye lenses. Swervediver on now. Such a timecapsule to when I was a kid and would be glued to MTV.

[sharp pendant]

is this still an issue for you or did you get it fixed? If not was thinking you could delete the kanji.rom and let it redownload from update all. The files were reuploaded to fix another issue so maybe that also fixed it your end

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[covert wagon]

Surprised you could write that report after you hurt your wrist

[real rapids]

Tested a bunch of games today that had audio popping before. All of them sound good now. Great update today!

Now if we can just fix Need for Speed, that'll be a huge win. One of the best games on the platform, and unique compared to all the ports that came later that messed with the visuals and speed of the game.

[sharp pendant]

Ibuprofen is my testing friend

[real rapids]

Can't wait to show my sister Twisted this weekend when she visits. We played that game together a lot back in the day.

[sharp pendant]

I actually bailed out before the low resolution woman got past PG13, audio was really bad

[grim goblet]

I believe disc switching may be broken, Psychic Detective freezes when trying to switch discs when prompted.

[sharp pendant]

I was going to ask about that, has anyone tried multidisc games?

[grim goblet]

just now 🙂

[real rapids]

Haven't gotten far enough into one yet.

[grim goblet]

Psychic Detective prompts you to switch discs if you insert the wrong one, and you can reach disc 2 with absolutely no user input in about 10 minutes or so

[sharp pendant]

This one might be intresting for you to look at for disc swapping, it is a cheat disc that I think needs you to swap discs and I have no idea if it actually does anything, but it does boot to the menu fine - 3DO Game Guru (USA, Europe)

[storm moth]

I tested brain dead 13 disc 2 just now which gives a message to change disc immediately, swapped to disc 1 and then get a bunch of graphical corruption

[grim goblet]

Yup, same as what I saw

Interestingly, multidisc games may still be currently playable. Reset from the OSD with disc 2 of psychic detective still loaded let me continue from where it should've after swapping instead of the normal wrong disc message.

[real rapids]

I had the game and the Capcom 6-button controller that I had to order via the insert that came with the game!

[urban ivy]

I tried to delete it. I have biosdb enabled but it's not downloading the kanji.rom. I manually added it back after checking the checksum and it still doesn't load it, even on the 4-1 build.

[untold fog]

Oh, I think it's a dolphin! ... wait, that's not a Magic Eye image?

Also funny that Brain Dead 13 is causing issues, I noticed that that game had "INDEX 02" in it's cue file for Disk 2, I wonder if that's causing problems

[storm moth]

I'm not testing with any chd files at the moment to avoid any index 02 issues for what it's worth

[ivory ingot]

If you're having troubles getting update_all to redownload something, set file_checking = 'exhaustive' in your downloader.ini

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Downloader_MiSTer/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#options

[untold fog]

Yeah but does the core support reading indexes past 1? The PSX core for example does not even if it's a cue file, but no PSX games had anything past index 1 so that's not a problem. I think initially the CD-I core lacked support for it but added it later.

[spring basin]

I'm not even sure it matters. there are older rips of discs in cue/iso that don't have index 02 at all and apparently they were fine too?

[marble jetty]

If the game doesn’t do index02 then it downs matter if it’s CHD but if you have plenty of space you don’t really need to slum it with us CHaDS

[storm moth]

I'll happily use chd's eventually but not when I'm reporting testing results this early

[marble jetty]

You know what the D in CHD means, right?

[dire sinew]

Doesn't work with Index 02 games

[spring basin]

DumbModerators

[marble jetty]

DEEZ NUTS

[gloomy flint]

Data?

[dawn raft]

I wonder if the actual console could for music CDs

[unreal ravine]

Really wished the Test Builds link carried the dualsdram note on it. It’s frustrating to see builds released in that channel that I cannot use.

The only way to know is to parse through this thread, which is… inefficient.

[storm moth]

Did you check the pins?

[unreal ravine]

That involves coming to this thread from the forward, yes. It’s still obnoxious.

[dire sinew]

Assume it's dual ram until otherwise noted

SRG starts labeling the builds once they are single/dual

[unreal ravine]

Okay, I will get sad whenever I look at the test builds then.

[signal mango]

you could join the dual ram alliance

[unreal ravine]

I could spend a lot of money to not use my analog

[signal mango]

I've been a member for nearly 2 weeks.

[unreal ravine]

Six years here

It’s the same as when that one mutant told everybody that we’d need dual ram for Mortal Kombat, and I was like “No thank you, I will keep what I already have that runs everything else.”

[signal mango]

Oh man. That was my resistance too.

[unreal ravine]

I already have a 3DO, so really, I’m just waiting until this all gels.

[unreal ravine]

For two whole weeks, Mr longtime?

[signal mango]

Yes my name is actually referencing my resistance to dual ram

[dire sinew]

you can still do dual ram with analog. its not as convenient, but it works

[unreal ravine]

You mean I need to buy stuff for it, instead of it working right off the jump

Like direct video from hdmi

That won’t let me split signal. I’m a streamer. I use a CRT as my main monitor.

Like, for example, I still have a 32mb sdram module from yesteryear. I cannot use it and analog at the same time unless I buy something to split the hdmi signal

Look, I’ll go ahead and hush up. This is about having to assume something is dualram when it could be easily noted as not.

You don’t want to hear this bitching.

[signal mango]

I discovered this game called Killing Time. I'm going to let people know about it.

[storm moth]

Is it good?

[signal mango]

Yes. It's in my top 200 games list of 2026.

[storm moth]

Hidden 3DO Gem

[real rapids]

Definitely let Awbacon know about it! He might like it!

[signal mango]

I will! He's gonna owe me bigly.

[gloomy flint]

Why am I killing hunters and ducks?

I get the hunters because they are shooting at me, but why the ducks?

[grim goblet]

You step on the ducks, because they're in the way and get under your feet. If you're just haphazardly killing them with a gun, you're the real monster here.

[gloomy flint]

Wait, you’re not SUPPOSED to shoot them?

[signal mango]

Those ducks are out of control

[signal mango]

I find that hard to believe

Those ducks are flying

[gloomy flint]

So where’s the invitation I’m supposed to get

I’m on the outer patio