Panasonic 3DO

[tidal dirge]

people are finally getting a life... but not us! 😆

[spring basin]

the 'no emulation' people have moved on to hyping up decomps

[covert wagon]

and the views show haha

a decomp or recomp vid can triple plus an FPGA vid

[tidal dirge]

I mean, FPGA is pretty tapped out.. at least until we see dreamcast/ps2 cores

then there'll likely be views

But what about developments regarding handheld mister?

[covert wagon]

crickets

[tidal dirge]

Damn.. I would want one

[covert wagon]

You get me Sega Model 2 on MiSTer and I can push a shit ton of views

its all relative though. When I had 100K views a month it felt massive. Now I have 700K average and it feels...not as huge

haha no the overlap is almost 100%. FPGA viewers will watch decomp/recomp/port vids. BUT decomp/recomp/port viewers WONT watch FPGA

[grim goblet]

🙈 If I can't see it, it can't hurt me.

[kindred oriole]

Dear 3DO owners, could you please tell me which gamepads have compatible replacement conductive rubber pads for the 3DO controller? My original pads are torn and need to be replaced.

[covert wagon]

I....dont think they exist

[ionic plank]

Yeah I’ve looked into this and the answer seems to be “harvest them from another 3DO controller”

Which is to say, just buy a new controller and use that instead

[kindred oriole]

Would the d-pad rubber pads from a Sega Saturn or GameCube work? I don't have them, only NES and SNES, but those are larger than the 3DO ones. Based on images, the Saturn and GameCube pads look a bit smaller and might be what I need.

[covert wagon]

I mean you could attempt to trim to fit but I have no idea on that one

but I dont think anything will work perfectly. Its more one of those "whats more valuable...your time or money" situations

honestly I just use a Saturn pad via USB. Near to perfect button layout and a hell of a lot better than the admittedly average 3DO pad

[ionic plank]

The venerable 8bitdo m30 is also a perfect option

The 3DO pad is incredibly similar to a megadrive pad layout wise, with the addition of shoulder buttons and a “select button”

[silent oak]

I wanna know

How is Dr. Hauzer running?

[covert wagon]

Good

I just captured it

[silent oak]

-# or "running" at a super slow pace

[covert wagon]

few stray horizontal lines but otherwise seems fine

[silent oak]

Any prospects of overclocking in the future?

[covert wagon]

We will have to wait and see

I hope so. Lot of games get a nice FPS boost from not a lot of OC

[karmic basin]

I'll add to the wishful thinking pile with 2x cel rendering

[covert wagon]

M2 core next

[karmic basin]

Which as we all know is but a stepping stone to a 360 core.

[covert wagon]

oh sorry I forgot its not real and I was scamming people with AI photos 🤣

[covert wagon]

THIS GUY 3DO's haha. 360 is just M4

[karmic basin]

I'm glad you're finally willing to admit that.

[covert wagon]

dude was so mad when he just got a piece of paper with an image and I got new car money

[karmic basin]

It's NFTs all over again.

[covert wagon]

Ive sold a few rarities recently. I wanted our house down payment back 🤣

that money keeps me warm at night and it was feeling a bit breezy after down payment and closing costs

[karmic basin]

So the new house isn't furnished with piles of Taito boards as chairs?

[spring basin]

may I direct you to the M2 coffee table

[covert wagon]

M2 is a Neo Geo AES stand

Not even a joke 🤣

[covert wagon]

close enough

[kindred oriole]

How do you connect it to 3do?

[kindred oriole]

Do you mean the Bluetooth version?

[covert wagon]

no I mean on the core

now I jsut want a Policenauts 3DO translation because that version is just my fav

[thin sequoia]

I have 2 Mister's one Vanilla analogue IO stack in the typical acrylic housing, and a Mister Multi system..both are single module 128mb RAM. What is the best double sided RAM solution to be able to use the dual RAM cores? Do I just need the XS-DS 128 module? or Do I need to get both the digital IO and DS RAM? Ideally, I'd prefer to be able to keep my Analogue IO for my CRT. Thanks.

[dire sinew]

I dunno if Antonio is still selling the weird ram that has issues, but I would buy a couple of sticks from either a store local to you (so, like, legacy pixels has them in stock in the states, and I believe ultimatemister and misterfpga.co.uk have them in stock in Europe), or buy them from Taki.

Whatever system you install them on, you will lose analog video unless you invest in a dac that can convert HDMI to analog (and you lose any simultaneous output with that).

I don't know how dual ram works on an original multisystem, so if that's the route you want to take, you will need to look into how it works

[thin sequoia]

So I just need to buy 2x 128 XS-DS modules? there's no 'mixing and matching needed? p.s the XS-D confuses me, are those modules different from the XS-DS? I guess I'll keep the Multi as the single, with CRT out then. So to summarize, no need to buy a new Digital IO? just use the analogue I have, but it loses CRT out..correct?

[covert wagon]

who did you buy your MiSTer from?

there are so many variants now that info + a photo of the IO and ram configs would make it easier to recommend what to do

[gloomy flint]

I found the RetroBit Genesis controller to be perfect for 3DO. It has the shoulder buttons on the sides and the six button layout for when I want to play Street Fighter.

[gloomy flint]

Same.

[thin sequoia]

@covert wagon I bought my Mister kit from Misteraddons about 2 years ago. I'll take a few pics inside the stack.

[covert wagon]

oh that makes it easy then but yeah send a photo

just so we can see what rev IO it is

[marble jetty]

I use arch btw

[thin sequoia]

So can I use that *I'm guessing 2.9 128mb module in tandem with a new 3.0? So I dont have to buy 2 sticks.

[dire sinew]

no, you can. but keep in mind that you won’t be able to use that IO board and dual ram because the 2nd stick plugs into the GPIO port where the analog board is

[thin sequoia]

Ok Gotcha, that's great, I think where Ive got confused is that I haven't seen anybody refer to the dual RAM setup as 256mb. which is correct right? I mean the DE-10 minus the analogue IO board then has access to a full 256mb *and better bandwidth?

[dire sinew]

It’s never really about size - the dual ram setup works with a 32mb chip in the 2nd slot (as long as you grab the updated RBF in the pins) - it’s all about bandwidth. The first chip should be 128, but if you have a 32mb stick, you can use that. I think that most folks don’t talk about size because I think everyone has retired the 32mb stick, so you can really only buy the 128 (I could be wrong about that)

[ionic plank]

I was talking about for the mister core but you can connect the Bluetooth one with a blue retro adapter https://www.humblebazooka.com/products/3do-bt-3do-bluetooth-adapter/

[thin sequoia]

@Jesusfish I could just buy a 32MB module and install that on the other header, and it doesn't conflict with the first 128MB module?

[sharp pendant]

I genuinely wouldn't go and buy 32MB these days, even for dual ram, developers have explicitly said the 128MB stick is a newer design and there could be issues with using 32MB on dual ram cores because of the design. Pay the little more and get 128MB is my advice. Only use 32MB if you have one lying about and are on a budget.

[thin sequoia]

@sharp pendant ok aslong as my current purple *I think 2.9 128Mb module doesn't have sync issues with a new 128mb ver 3.0? I'm going to go ahead and order one of those from Legacypixels today.Thanks for the advice guys!

[sharp pendant]

Definitely shouldn't do. I can't remember what the differences between 2.9 and 3.0 are, probably trivial, but may want to put the newest 3.0 one in slot A as you will be using that for everything

Unlikely to have any tangible difference, but is a truism that newer is better so have newest as your main stick

[thin sequoia]

Good point, I'll switch them over and see how it goes. Just e-mailed Legacypixels..can't wait to try the 3DO and best Saturn cores 💪🏻

[sharp pendant]

Jaguar and Jag CD as well

[thin sequoia]

@Moon right! I still haven't got to play JAGCD yet

[sharp igloo]

@sharp pendant recommends this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/Atari_Jaguar_CD_Highlander_-_The_Last_of_the_MacLeods_cover_art.jpg/250px-Atari_Jaguar_CD_Highlander_-_The_Last_of_the_MacLeods_cover_art.jpg 😎

[distant grove]

No. Just someone who's optimized a good portion of the existing engine

[covert wagon]

Terminus?

I just edited that into a testing vid for later this week

[distant grove]

Huh?

I'm talking about optidoom

[covert wagon]

The Terminus demo. I didnt know if that was on the Doom engine

[distant grove]

It's not

It's a killing time clone

[covert wagon]

thats why it felt so familiar

now if dude would just make Killing Time run like that

[distant grove]

No KT source, just replicating how the engine should function evaluating it through a technical lense. Have you asked zyz anything on it regarding his personal comments on how he made it or anything

[distant grove]

I'm sure it can honestly. We need dat source code though

[covert wagon]

Last person I knew who had it was Becky sadly. I’m sure Nightdive probably has a copy

[sharp igloo]

Just decompile it.

[covert wagon]

"Claude...decompile this game k thx also make a PC port too I am going to the bar"

[sharp igloo]

NVIDIA and other corporations killed the PC as a gaming platform.

[covert wagon]

(your average "AI SLOP" commenter and their basic understanding of using AI in assisting in fan projects on the non-art side)

[fossil sorrel]

In my opinion all of the problems, upheavals, societal disruptions, displacements and destructions that A.I. has, and will cause, has all been worth it to produce that one image I wanted that one time of loads of monkeys touching a 3DO.

[sharp igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vev0BMe0_I Here is the music to go with @fossil sorrel 's image 🙂

@fossil sorrel If you can edit a 3DO into this scene it would work https://youtu.be/PfvXGbvtVZc?si=CivW6D8dSnoT4Jez&t=1748

😄

[fossil sorrel]

Like this...

Its beautiful

[mental bison]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppetwiki-sesame-street-muppets-elmo-fUQ4rhUZJYiQsas6WD

A huge achievement for the Mister community, now just waiting for the single ram update 😉

[mystic iris]

Got the new unstable mister main needed for this core, anybody know if I run update all if it will replace the unstable Mister main with a new one?

[devout crow]

On the current setup you get a separate main and add line to the ini to load that main when loading the core, so an update wont replace the separate main.

[mystic iris]

Your message looks super helpful, i just have no idea what that means, sorry bud I wish i was smarter

[golden schooner]

that isn't needed any more

[devout crow]

Oh, I'm out of the loop then.

[golden schooner]

the latest mister unstable has initial 3do support so you just use that as your main MiSTer

I believe there's a toggle in update_all

[dire sinew]

it should not

[mystic iris]

I really appreciate your help here, i’ll take a look to see if there is a toggle in the update all settings, thanks.

[dire sinew]

there won't be a toggle. as long as you have updated to the unstable main (and the mister OS is showing a date of 260323) it shouldn't update

[real rapids]

Update all should only replace an unstable build of main if the new stable build is newer than the unstable build.

[mystic iris]

Cool, you guys saved me some time here!

If I see another question like mine i’ll tell em the good word!

[distant grove]

LMFAOOO

[dull knot]

“Oh, you touch my 3DO! Oh, my ding ding dong!”

[bold lily]

Don't know if it was mentioned, but I gave Blade Force a good half-hour, runs great, from what I can tell. If you haven't tried it yet, I recommend; really cool game.

[sharp pendant]

Looks like a good shift has been put in on testing already, with over 150 games/discs checked. Lots more to check yet. I am surprised nobody has tried Alone In The Dark 1 or 2 yet and logged findings

[distant grove]

Aitd would be interesting. It doesn't even use the CEL engine to render the 3d models. It's all software rendered

[distant grove]

Was doctor Hauzer reported on yet

[left stump]

Felt like Studio 3DO was really mastering the hardware by that point. Shame. Heh.

[sharp pendant]

Looking at sheet, marked as playable by insanefriend but no comment on issues

[storm moth]

Only issue I noticed was horizontal line that may or not be fixed with a fb offset but that goes for a large majority of games at the moment

I played for like five minutes, walked through a door, fell into pit and died. I thought it maybe had issues with frame rate at first but turns out it's normal to run at 4 frames

Surely someone who knows more about the game will come along and complete the game

[distant grove]

Yeah it's a slow paced game and I'm pretty sure it was the studios first 3d game they made. The characters model has more polygons than it needs

[grim goblet]

anything with small line glitches or other graphical corruption I've tested haven't seen any improvement with FB offset changes, except seal of the pharoh gets a huge improvement

[real rapids]

I died in the same pit.

[storm moth]

I experimented with a couple games with fb offset and it seemed to fix some but that's a long process because you pretty much gotta reboot the whole game to test each one

[slim robin]

does the core only work with dual RAM at the moment?

[ivory ingot]

Yes

[visual sonnet]

Doctor Hauzer was so ahead of its time. Riverhill Soft went on to make another 3D horror game on the PSX next called Over blood. It's cheesy as hell but I absolutely love it. They also made a sweet looking strategy game on the Dreamcast called Vermilion Desert. I hope it gets a fan translation someday

[marble jetty]

lol peepo

[visual sonnet]

Dude when peepo kicks the bucket and he's like "PEEEEEPOOOOOOO" I died laughing

[marble jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/pipo-overblood-coloniacontraataca-ps1-playstation-1-gif-6339967321901248688

[marble jetty]

me too lmao

Did you play overblood 2

[visual sonnet]

For what it was at the time though, it was a cool little game.

Story had a nice twist at the end too

Dude I have always wanted to play the sequel but never got to

Is it any good?

[marble jetty]

No idea, it’s nothing like the original apparently

[visual sonnet]

Yeah I read it's a drastically different game.

I need to try it. It's on my 8TB mister drive.

One day I'll boot it up

Free time is a tad rough at the moment. 3 kids, 4th and final one on the way. Finishing up my dad's estate. Hopefully in a couple weeks I'll have tons of free time again

[sharp pendant]

Having a look at the testing sheet, do we have any idea why Warner Music Group (USA) isn't booting? Anyone else tried this one and seen any signs of life?

[real rapids]

Hmm, I see that Quarantine is listed as playable in the testing sheet, but I can't get it to boot beyond the 3DO logo (not the bios logo, but the logo from the game itself). Tried both the USA, Japan version, and the re2 version. Same results. Only game that I haven't been able to boot so far in my testing.

[sharp pendant]

Hmm, maybe @forest lichen can elaborate on his findings there. I only see one entry in the testing sheet, do you have multiple versions? Are they Redump?

[dire sinew]

is it one of the games that need an offset set?

[sharp pendant]

Ah, if so be good to get those games commented on the sheet

Maybe we need a new column on the sheet?

[dire sinew]

Cannon Fodder (US): 2A0000
FIFA International Soccer (US, Korea): 2A0000
Psychic Detective (US) (Disc 1): 280000
Quarantine (US): 260000
The Need for Speed (US, EU): 2A0000
Seal of the Pharaoh (US): 260000```

[grim goblet]

curiously, I found seal of the pharoh works with 240000, everything else is heavily glitchy

[sharp pendant]

Anyone testing able to double check Warner Music Group? It is testament to how good the core is day one, when the only disc found to not boot at all is that after over 150 discs checked.

I am not even sure what that disc is

[ivory ingot]

I just tried a chd version from myrient and yeah just a black screen for me too

[sharp pendant]

Interesting, I wonder what is up with this one. Anyone know what this disc is?

[forest lichen]

@sharp pendant @real rapids

Boots , and works fine for me

Quarantine RE version, bin/cue

2x128mb , redump

[real rapids]

Haven't tried the RE version yet. Just the USA, Japan, and RE2 versions. It was redump and tried in both bin/cue and chd formats. Will have to try the RE version tomorrow.

[sharp pendant]

Are we missing versions in Redump from the sheet?

[real rapids]

These are the versions I see in Redump.

Only the bottom one is in the sheet.

I tried the second and third ones, and neither would boot for me past the game's 3DO logo (just black screen after that).

[storm moth]

The list is missing some games, I noticed at least five that aren't on there

[real rapids]

Anyway, I added testing notes for both Madden and PGA Tour.

[storm moth]

Like Bust a Move, Quarterback attack, Putt Putt Goes to the Moon, Little House and San Diego Presents.... The Animals. Probably more

[dire sinew]

you can probably gen the list off of the redump cue list redump.org/downloads/

[real rapids]

Madden seems to have no issues that I can tell. I had the game back in the day, but haven't played it in ages. But seemed great.

PGA Tour 96 is just bootable. The golf swing gauge is not visible, making it not really playable.

Also added a note to FIFA for the FB offset "2A0000" setting, which it currently needs.

Anyway, time for sleep! It's late.

[unkempt ferry]

Well despite a few whiners, I'm loving this core. It's a fantastic achievement. Thoroughly enjoyable.

[covert wagon]

Go to bed son!

[ivory ingot]

Looks like latest stable MiSTer main that sorg pushed works with the 3DO core so no need to use the unstable main anymore

[dire sinew]

Trying to decide if I should put it in the dual ram repo now that it uses normal main. The load from CD option is what is kind of throwing me. Maybe I’ll wait until SRG puts it in mister-devel

[covert wagon]

Ive gotten maybe 10 messages from people and its all been about "I set it up and I see the 3DO logo but nothing boots" and every time its been they didnt toggle load from CD to YES. Which I get...that makes very little sense

[karmic basin]

We're on day 5 of this core existing in an early form. Always a fun time with people rushing to it.

[covert wagon]

I was playing some Killing Time last night. Other than the audio clicking I really didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I just used cheats and tooled around the game a bit to see what I could see

You can glitch the game with the 1.0 version like you can on real hardware with the exploding poly glitch so its accurate enough to break in JUST the right way (you need to be touching a wall when you hit a loading zone then with near perfect timing back up while still touching the wall into the previous zone. Suddenly the graphics lose their shit)

[marble jetty]

any core updates?

[marble jetty]

ok real talk here, is the 3DO version best way to play? It's also available on the PS1 core and someone made it a 0mhz pack for ao486.

[dire sinew]

nah, nothing yet

[covert wagon]

PC version uses PC maps which are inferior IMO

Best way to play is PROBABLY Nightdive remake with the 3DO and PC enemies included

and they stated they will be adding the 3DO map in the future

the PS1 version def runs faster but its prone to crashing / corrupting save data so it can be pretty hard to complete

[marble jetty]

Their handling of the Switch 2 port of System Shock makes me want to take a wait and see approach on what they deliver

but they ended up fixing it so they do at least commit!

[covert wagon]

the first release was solid for Killing Time

with the PC maps. I mean they put me in the game so...clearly 10/10

[marble jetty]

NICE

are you a talking ghost or something

[covert wagon]

You aren't the only game dev here Robby! Killing Time is my first and only game credit hahahaha

[covert wagon]

I am in the graveyard

[marble jetty]

checks out

huehuehuehue

[covert wagon]

Everyone's mother broke my back out. The spirit is willing but the flesh is all spongy and weak

[marble jetty]

also checks out

we are all awbacon offspring

you are literally the only reason why I want to play that game

[covert wagon]

Its a vibe. Its art deco Bioshock....before art deco Bioshock

also basically my entire undergrad elective classes were in the history of the art deco movement so...it hits

[karmic basin]

I appreciated them thanking my hometown in the game. Funniest thing ever when I was a teenager was seeing Boldt Castle and Heart Island in a game 😄

[covert wagon]

haha yep its a real location

[karmic basin]

I think that was the rare piece of info I managed to tell you about.

I cherish that 😉

[covert wagon]

haha even I don't know why I love the damn game so much. It just hit

[marble jetty]

turns out @karmic basin is the real Killing Time fan, wow

[covert wagon]

game sux. Play PO'ed instead

[karmic basin]

It was a bit more watching the intro video, seeing Boldt Castle (which you could still just wander through at the time), and doing the Leo Decaprio pointing meme.

But yeah: played the heck out of the PC version back then.

[covert wagon]

Same. If the core saved id be most of the way through a 100% run now

But I don't want to just leave the MiSTer sitting there on overnight

[silent oak]

does The Horde destroy (virtual) internal save data?

[karmic basin]

That's a feature

Be sure to grab the Rev image to avoid it.

[covert wagon]

Don't forget to play the sequel to Plumbers Dont Wear Ties..."The Whored"

[storm moth]

Nothing saves to a file at the moment. It will save but that save file is lost when you reset the core

[silent oak]

I was kind of getting upset that I am gonna miss out on the 3DO craze with my single sdram stick

but knowing that by the time the core becomes single-sdram I think I'll be greeted with good enough polish

[ionic plank]

Oh I think I encountered that on real hardware as well. I almost soft locked my game near the end of a run because I had no idea what was happening and thought it was just my hardware having a moment

[covert wagon]

Yeah its rare and very hard to trigger but it can happen. If you save your game during the bug it will then write the bug to your save as a persistent issue

[ionic plank]

Yeah and that’s exactly what I did lmao. Thankfully I had a backup save

[covert wagon]

haha and thats why the black disc exists. Rare AF these days though

I dont think many people mailed in for a replacement

[grand nest]

I need to grab another stick of SDRam to try this out. Will 32mb do the job or is it worth grabbing another 128mb?

[empty valley]

Since we just got a new version of main, do we still need the latest unstable main to play the 3DO core? Since the release says inital 3DO support, I guess that answers my question lol

[covert wagon]

May as well get 128 but most 32 modules should suffice

but if you are buying just go for the gold

[fossil sorrel]

🎶 All we hear is...3DO goo goo...3DO ga ga 🎵

https://tenor.com/view/concert-gif-24406782

[marble jetty]

Are the MiSTer main fixes for 3DO now part of the latest stable release?

yes they are

[sharp pendant]

Nice.

And a PSA, anyone who added that line to their .ini pointing to a custom 3DO unstable Main, go and delete that line and the unstable Main. If you don't then you will be stuck on it forever when playing 3DO and down the line it will likely break as it falls behind Main.

[gloomy flint]

I mean the fact that it’s this far along for just a first beta is impressive as hell.

[gloomy flint]

That’s what tripped me up at first. Especially when you have MiSTer clones that can actually read from CD.

[gloomy flint]

Still gives me goosebumps seeing this concert.

[dawn raft]

Wonder if anyone played this game in 2020 like "You did it again 3DO. Timely social commentary"

[karmic basin]

Driving around in my car and running people over? Timeless.

[real rapids]

I did! .....like an hour after I posted that comment. 👀

[gloomy flint]

I think that’s why I liked the 3DO and Jaguar so much. Because when it comes down to brass tacks, it’s basically early 90’s PC gaming. 3DO is basically home to DOS PC ports and Jaguar got a bunch of Amiga like games.

At least that’s my theory

[karmic basin]

It's the EA support.

[gloomy flint]

I’m surprised the 3DO never got a port of 4D Boxing

Used to play that all the time on the school computers

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/naocara-gif-951861008809332010

[covert wagon]

@marble jetty we need two new roles; “VGE’s child” and “3DO Bandwagoner” since this chat was dead AF and now everyone’s in here going “yay 3DO” 🤣

[real rapids]

I want a "**3DO OG Day One Owner OMG it Was $700! ** " role!

I earned that sucker!

[karmic basin]

Raise your hand if you posted in the previous 3DO thread before it got a dedicated channel.
✋

[real rapids]

I remember when we had a hater who hated so bad in that thread that they were ejected from the server!

[real rapids]

They owned a 3DO, so they were totes right!

[karmic basin]

This level of gatekeeping would make @weak hound proud

[fossil sorrel]

Hmm I haven't seen gamingdoyle in this much since the core release
I suspect he may be preparing the biggest 3DO trololol to end all trolololololols

We must be on our guard

https://tenor.com/view/guard-stranger-things4-watch-watch-tower-look-after-gif-16345867

[grim goblet]

Yay 3DO!

[ionic plank]

Not only did I post here before the beta core, I own 3DO hardware 😎

[agile cargo]

Just need to run update_all to get these changes?

[dire sinew]

new main? yeah

[slim robin]

any comments from srg320 about feasibility of fitting the core for single ram?

[dire sinew]

Not really. He does say "Dual Ram (for now)" on github, so I would guess that means he is working towards single ram

[slim robin]

make sense, it is always more work

I could get a 2nd RAM stick but the only DE10 I have with a free slot is in an arcade cab

[sharp pendant]

You are going to get mogged pretty hard if you don't ramsmaxx your MiSTer, or maybe you don't have the Riz to aura farm a dual ram set up?

I don't know what any of that means but it sounds like something a younger man would say.

[dire sinew]

I use my mister to bonesmash

[agile cargo]

Hey guys, a bit off-topic here...

I have a QMTech MiSTer FPGA, and I was wondering — is it difficult to install a second RAM module?

Also, can I keep using the same case? I only use HDMI output, so I’m curious: if I need to remove something from the case to make it fit, what would I be missing?

[karmic basin]

That URL is a hate crime

[agile cargo]

Sorry...was just to show the model...needs to be removed?

[karmic basin]

Not at all. Just having fun. 🙂

With the QMTech (and any older analog I/O board style setups): you would have to remove the I/O board (and top plate) to add a second ram stick.

So any components that are on that I/O board, you'd no longer have.

[agile cargo]

Will I lose all these features?

[karmic basin]

Yes. Because the pins that things like analog output use are the pins you need to add a second RAM stick.

I'm not sure how they connect the USB hub. I'm assuming a bridge like other boards.

[sharp igloo]

QMTech are working on a "new" dual ram I/O board setup. Unless it has just been released?

[storm moth]

They released one advertised as dual ram and then refunded everyone because it wasn't

[unkempt ferry]

Not seen it mentioned, but it probably has, certain games, you've got to change the offset - The “FB offset” menu determines the position of the FPGA's internal memory blocks (which operate faster than DDR) within the 3DO VRAM.

Recommended settings for certain games:

Alone in the Dark (US): 240000
Cannon Fodder (US): 2A0000
FIFA International Soccer (US, Korea): 2A0000
Psychic Detective (US) (Disc 1): 280000
Quarantine (US): 260000
The Need for Speed (US, EU): 2A0000
Seal of the Pharaoh (US): 260000

[real rapids]

Can confirm in my testing that it is indeed the "RE" version that works. The "USA, Japan" and "RE2" versions do not boot on my end, but "RE" version does.

[sharp pendant]

Right, this is my bad as I made the sheet awhile ago and didn't think to check if any more dumps had been added. Naïvely assumed in 2026 we wouldn't still be finding and dumping new 3DO discs. I can look into this later and get the missing ones added

Although if anyone not on their phone wants to check what games are in current Redump but not in the sheet feel free. I imagine AI would make light work of that

[sharp pendant]

One for Archive3DO: the BIOS needed for the arcade shooter, which one was it and have you tried loading it to see if it boots in the core? Would be interesting to see if it already loads fine

[weak hound]

I no longer have to do anything, you troll yourselves by playing 3DO 😉

[real rapids]

It hurts so good.

[karmic basin]

So the new MiSTer main no longer needs the unstable build, right?

Because no games are loading for me now. 😕
(I did remove the [3DO] main=MiSTer_3DO from my ini)

[golden schooner]

did you accidentally re-download the non fixed rbf for 3do that doesn't work on 128/32?

@karmic basin

[karmic basin]

ah poo... you're right! I should just buy a 128 😄

Good catch, @golden schooner. Thanks!

[golden schooner]

once srg makes his next set of updates on the core I am hoping he merges the PR to fix it

[karmic basin]

I forgot I'm the special boy that needed his special 3DO core that you were nice enough to make for me ❤️

Ah, there's my Ballz
-# the director's cut

[dire sinew]

I didn’t put it in the dual ram repo because the code isn’t merged yet

[karmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/its-me-im-the-problem-taylor-swift-problem-taylor-im-the-problem-gif-26994473

[golden schooner]

someone did though, I thought

[dire sinew]

it's in the WIP repo

[golden schooner]

lots of repos...

[empty valley]

Do you know the difference between redump games with the (RE) in parentheses? Like which version of Quarantine would be the best dump?

[dire sinew]

well one you have to seek out - the other is built into update all

RE is the only one that works IIRC

[empty valley]

Just want to know what (RE) stands for

Ah I found the definition, it just means a re-release or revision

[real rapids]

Yeah, it's basically revision 1. For some reason it's the only version that runs on the core.

[weary rain]

https://youtu.be/pyew7oHGyNE

“FPGA-based box of fuckin crazy shit” is a great description of the Mister from Jeff Gerstmann, put that in a blurb

[empty valley]

That’s pretty cool that Jeff Gerstmann owns a MiSTer. I used to love his reviews at Gamespot in the aughts

[true shore]

I know I had added Out of This World to the spreadsheet because it was missing. Street Fighter 2 Turbo (USA) was also missing but I didn't add that I just tested the RE1 as well after I noticed it missing.

[ashen palm]

Jeff was how I learned about the MiSTer during a Giantbomb show like 7 or 8 years ago. He's an OG MiSTer pusher

[distant grove]

It's on 3dodev.com

I don't have a mister

[sharp pendant]

Oh, OK, I assumed you had a MiSTer

[distant grove]

Nah lol I joined way back when to argue with people talking junk on my precious 3do hardware

[paper totem]

I can't believe how crazy the 3DO core first release is

Wing Commander 3 and Super Wing Commander are playable

Super WC has some minor audio issues (crackle) but Wing Commander 3 runs perfectly

[oak owl]

Those are the first games I tested. I am waiting for saving to be implemented so I can finish both on the core.

I am also enjoying melee in star control 2, while waiting for save support.

[dire sinew]

Yeah I think I’m gonna play the shit out of wing commander

[fallen stratus]

im surprised how smooth escape from monster manor is. crazy good

[weary rain]

does SSF2T work for you guys?

[oak owl]

It does for me

[fallen stratus]

works for me

[weary rain]

hmm

are you guys using RE2 dump?

[fallen stratus]

i honestly dont remember where i got mine

it was a iso/cue but then i renamed it to bin and changed teh cue file to reflect it

it works fine

[ivory ingot]

What's RE2 dump?

Oh there's a dump with the tag (RE2)?

[dire sinew]

yeah, it’s a dump from a third pressing of the game. the code is likely identical but redump gonna redump

[ivory ingot]

Guess that's less confusing than those 1M, 4M, etc on Saturn games. In my mind at least RE looks like reissue or something

[dire sinew]

I suspect that they started doing that with saturn because there are so fucking many

because I think Saturn was using RE at one point

[ivory ingot]

Apparently the number M is actually printed on the CDs themselves

[dire sinew]

I love the ones that are like (2M, 5M, 10M) (Rev 3)

[real rapids]

I will always remember that game as the first game to ever give me motion sickness back in the day! I just wasn't used to moving in a 3D space at such high frame rates that it didn't sit well with my stomach at first! 😅

Thankfully, I got over it pretty quickly and enjoyed the game after that.

[visual sonnet]

@hybrid lotus Spent a half hour with Hell. Seems perfect

Occasional audio crackle but that's all I noticed

[hybrid lotus]

Cool cool

[slim robin]

I care too much about double video output I guess... guess I could sacrifice one

not sure what kind of aura there is to farm with replocating crusty old systems though🤣

[silent oak]

Okay, now who's out there testing Cyberdillo?

[forest lichen]

Cyber what ?

I've never even heard of that game haha

[storm moth]

I finished a level 😅. I was cautious loading that one because wasn't sure to expect

[silent oak]

https://youtu.be/rceC_HvhvOQ?si=Hn-GivxckvqgH9hr

I also assume Demolition Man runs fine

That game is a trip and a half

[storm moth]

Yea it does, just needs a FB offset to get rid of the flickering

At least for me

[signal mango]

Is FB offset a toggle in the menu

Also, are you up late or up early

[storm moth]

Yes it's a toggle, up late for me

[signal mango]

I'm excited to try both demolition man and cyberdillo

[gentle sail]

Mother of god, I did not read CyberDILLO

JFC

[silent oak]

I am not sorry

[signal mango]

I might wait a little bit on demolition man to see if light gun support is possible

[sharp igloo]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wuvg9L45nKE/maxresdefault.jpg

[silent oak]

I also know one person who's super fascinated with Naughty Dog's Way of the Warrior

I wonder if they'd like running it on MiSTer

[visual sonnet]

I love Way of the Warrior, unfortunately at the moment while the FMV's play great, the game is running super slow

[fossil sorrel]

People like me with single ram be like...

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-window-stalker-creepy-gif-14699391

[crisp zealot]

A question for the 3DO experts. How does the Sprite Engine detect vertically crossed polygons so it can stop rendering them? The only thing I found in the documentation: "Projected polygons with vertically crossed corners (bad, sideways turned bowtie) will not be rendered."

[tribal sandal]

@tender crystal Would probably know the answer to this question

[tender crystal]

@crisp zealot Where in the docs is that? I don't recall ever seeing it. And can't find it in any search.

BTW... forgot to send you the list of games but here they are

• https://github.com/trapexit/3dt/blob/master/src/tdo_disc_ids_list.c
• https://github.com/trapexit/3dt/blob/master/src/tdo_disc_ids.h

You have to look at the disk label and there are unique ids for the volume and filesystem that can be used.

As well as a name and volume id strings

I also use the file count and total data size to help in uniquification due to some overlap in other fields. Maybe a bit much for you to use on mister though.

[crisp zealot]

wo09410644a1 spryte rendering system with improved corner calculating engine and improved polygon-paint engine, page 139.
I also tested this on the original hardware. In these polygons there are no pixels drawn.

[covert wagon]

well now you need one

[covert wagon]

wait til you see whats coming next for Monster Manor

3DO is HOT in March

@distant grove we finally got our way. 3DO is popular 🤣

[karmic basin]

oh boy... more recomps

I'm assuming that will be the hot new trend for a year.

[covert wagon]

Yeah it’s just speeding up every month

[distant grove]

This is a source code port

[covert wagon]

True. I stopped worrying about explaining to people (not you @karmic basin ) the difference between recomp and source port because all they notice is "ooh it runs on PC cool"

[karmic basin]

I await the The Daedalus Encounter source port.

[covert wagon]

I just wish we had the Killing Time source code

[karmic basin]

Make friends with Nightdive

[covert wagon]

Time to ask Claude “yo port this to PC k thx” 🤣

[tender crystal]

Ack. Forgot to look at the patents. I don't know any more than what's in the patents. Off hand don't know if Opera is accurate in this regard. Would have to build an example and look at the code.

[tender crystal]

We already are and spoken to them on a few 3DO conversions.

They can't release anything as they don't own the copyrights or other IP rights. They have helped us talk to the IP holders on some occasions but no luck.

[tender crystal]

I've been working on reverse engineering stuff with AI that is technically for work but self servingly could be helpful for us. I'll have more to share in time.

[covert wagon]

dont tell anyone. the "AI SLOP" comments will start

[tender crystal]

🤷‍♂️

[ember seal]

a lot of people aren't distinguishing between entirely vibecoded and ai assisted

[covert wagon]

its getting fucking exhausting too

Its the anger olympics and everyone wants to win gold with AI hatred

I mean I dont want it killing jobs or taking paid work either but people conflate "using AI to code port PPC to X86 because why NOT automate that work for a free fan project because that's the workflow anyway" to "AI SLOP DELETE YOURSELF"

[marble jetty]

AI Slop Esoterica

[covert wagon]

its a good thing AI cant deliver gabagool or else you'd be out of work

better hope "GabagoolBot" doesnt get invented. Johnny 5 rolling cold cuts

[karmic basin]

It's getting R•E•A•L in here.

[covert wagon]

real nitratey

lol but yes Robby is right I get accused at least 3 times a week of being pure AI

[karmic basin]

Because they have no idea how many times you've stubbed your toes on all the arcade boards stacked in your home.

[covert wagon]

no that's dog bones in the middle of the night our dogs leave strategically placed to fuck you up with

[karmic basin]

Arcade bones

[covert wagon]

haha they are all in the closet. I need to organize it still

my sad reality anyway is I have no friends who play games that play arcade games. Really just one person I know actually even plays video games in general. So I have no P2

[marble jetty]

What is even gabagol

[covert wagon]

are you serious??

[marble jetty]

Oh its capicola lol

bro, I learned what methamphetamines are for the first time yesterday

I am not up to date on my mafia

[signal mango]

Good morning, fellow longtime 3do fans

[covert wagon]

I wonder about you

and your Little House on the Prairie ass existence

"PA WHATS METH"

meanwhile I saw a man so strung out his injection site had a gaping hole the size of a baseball in it and it looks zombified...and that was just "a Tuesday"

[viscid harbor]

What are the best hidden gems for 3DO?

[marble jetty]

The entire library if you think about it

[viscid harbor]

I didn’t think about it, that’s why I’m asking

[signal mango]

I personally discovered a game called killing time

Glad I'm the first one to find this gem

[covert wagon]

if you play one game that is just "a vibe"; Belzerion english translation

[viscid harbor]

Is that the David Lynch like one?

[covert wagon]

its basically "Kirkland brand Kojima policenauts"

[signal mango]

Kirkland is often better than the name brand

[viscid harbor]

Go for the Kojima, stay for the hotdogs

[vale depot]

will there be guncon2 support?

[covert wagon]

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7437/

[marble jetty]

Ok so what level of hidden gem do you want

MetalJesusBrand hidden gems or like actually unknown games that are neat

Very important distinction

Belzerion is the latter imo

[viscid harbor]

He was dismissive of MiSTer and YouTube is too addictive, I prefer hearing from the real gamers

[marble jetty]

Yeah but what he consideres hidden gems are basically games that aren’t popular but everyone already knows

Aka not hidden gems, just unpopular games

[weak hound]

trash games not made by robby

[viscid harbor]

He’s peddling Metal Jesus rocks, I don’t want rocks… I want the real thing… the gems

[weak hound]

Garbage games for garbage people

[viscid harbor]

Secret minerals perhaps instead

[marble jetty]

hidden gems are the real shit, stuff you find in between the couch cushions at your drunk uncle Greg’s house. The couch he uses for the beatings they you don’t talk about but you just know. The neighborhood kids know, the cops know, they just don’t want to piss Greg off so you keep quiet. Hoping one day Greg gets caught and you don have to go over there no more,

that’s what I’m talking about

@rapid cobalt is either typing a novel or he keeps reading all the weird shit I post and stops to go “wtf man”

[weak hound]

Unc stop, please stop

Man 3DO channel dark

Like the muddy looking textures

[marble jetty]

No Greg no! I’ll play Pataank! Just don’t get the sunshine jugs!

[karmic basin]

pro-tip: do not ever order "gabagool". You'll embarrass yourself.

[covert wagon]

lemme get a gabagool sanguiche with muzzaral and brachutt

[karmic basin]

I'm excited for the 3DO core so I can play Burn:Cycle

[viscid harbor]

True story, I used to chain-smoke early 20s. I was out of cigarettes. My mother smoked. I was having a morning coffee and visiting. I found a cigarette between their sectional sofa. When I took the pulls it had a metallic taste. A cindering maggot was squirming in the tobacco. I couldn’t get the metallic taste out of my mouth or smell out nose for days. I quit smoking. That maggot was a true hidden gem. That’s the 3DO game I’m looking for. Also sage advice for handling meth heads when you become a narc… lace it with maggots to help them help themselves.

[karmic basin]

Thank you for this precious gift.

[fossil sorrel]

I've looked at the Japanese games list and want to try Battle Pinball.

[marble jetty]

I mentioned Pataank

ok I know I’m being overly sensitive here and I’m not even Asian but try not to say “Jap” if you can. It’s an old slur but some people may still find it offensive

[karmic basin]

yeah, that hit weird

[marble jetty]

But we all know you mean Japanese games and it’s a popular shortened form for game dumps

So seriously no harm no foul

[karmic basin]

Good guy Robby

[marble jetty]

or stick up ass

Who can say, who can tell

[karmic basin]

I don't kink shame

[fossil sorrel]

Ah yes you guys had the war and all that stuff and the propaganda etc

Wouldn't have caught it myself

If not pointed out

[karmic basin]

It's all good.

[fossil sorrel]

Anyhoo the yank playlist has a few gems

[karmic basin]

In the interest of sigh trying to remain helpful as a member of this community. Our very own @covert wagon offered up his list of 3DO games to check out. #1329170138234097745 message

[marble jetty]

If you’re curious, if anyone gets mad at being called a yank, his or her fellow Americans will smack them for it. Please feel free to keep using it.

[covert wagon]

Yank? he misspelled "Winner of the revolutionary war and global world power". Common mistake

[karmic basin]

You aren't even technically a "yank", Robby

[fossil sorrel]

Nobody really uses yank as a slur do they?

[marble jetty]

you’re right, I’m just a doodle

[covert wagon]

that's like me saying "Brit" when I mean "little rainy island dweller who lost their empire and now arrests people for their tweets" lolol

[karmic basin]

Southerners use it to vaguely describe anyone from north of Virginia. That's about it.

[covert wagon]

lol no they do not

[marble jetty]

I just call people from Virginia, virgins

[covert wagon]

they call @marble jetty from Texas a virgin too

[marble jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-taller-shoot-tiny-short-gif-5674445

[karmic basin]

Robby's a cop now. And we don't talk to cops.

[covert wagon]

we all know you fire within five seconds. We dont need a gif for it

[signal mango]

I think some people in former confederate states still use it to talk about northern states

[viscid harbor]

It also depends what they’re yanking

[covert wagon]

with @marble jetty its more whats he tweezing

[silent oak]

my personal pipe dream is for someone to uncover the 3DO port of Rockman X3 (Mega Man X3) which is like 10% complete and more of a proof-of-concept demo

I'd assume running Policenauts and its extra disc is no problem

[silent oak]

good

[covert wagon]

I have two videos. I have no places to run them

[rapid cobalt]

I was trying to figure out an efficient bowtie algo, but after typing it out it failed edge cases

[marble jetty]

What do you mean?

[covert wagon]

but if its in the thumbs it works great

[covert wagon]

the cel overlap issue srg320 asked about

[marble jetty]

Ohh ok

[rapid cobalt]

yes

[marble jetty]

Sorry for being offtopic

I totally missed that

[covert wagon]

the nice thing is 3DO documented the hardware and SDK better than any developer of hardware back in the day. Same on the M2 side. There is almost nothing not properly written down in the docs

[marble jetty]

I don’t know if you’re asking for opinions on which thumbnail is better but I like the first one. However I think the Dr. HAUZER face is awesome and should be part of it.

[covert wagon]

haha no its two vids

I made them. I just have so little schedule space these days with all the news shit

[marble jetty]

Dumb question but then why has 3DO emulation been in such a port state

[covert wagon]

not many people really work on it

also its probably a pain in the ass as 3DO, for its time, was not a "bare metal" console but an OS based console. A whole extra layer of abstraction when you have to deal with Opera

minus the "har har 3DO fanboy" jokes the 3DO engineers and software devs really were ahead of their time; OS based hardware well before that became the de facto standard, unified memory pool vs allocated memory on M2, etc etc. A lot of what 3DO did became industry standard 5-10 years later

[marble jetty]

Dumb question but did R.J. Mical work on it?

[covert wagon]

and Dave Needle

[umbral charm]

That's more reassuring.

[silent oak]

the system runs an operating system, and yet doesn't have built-in save memory management tools?

[covert wagon]

I mean the docs alone on M2 were good enough that my "garbage band aid code" ass could get an M2 demo disc made from the ground up in OS 9.2.2 and MPW

[vale depot]

how about "oriental"?

some asians seem ok while others not so much

[covert wagon]

lolol damn that escalated quickly

[vale depot]

.
also "asian" doesn't seem great either. it's like i don't care, let's label you as a part of an entire continent of almost 3 billion ppl

[silent oak]

just shorten to jp

[vale depot]

.
related...

I find it funny how many ppl don't call Indians asians. and instead say "south asian"

[signal herald]

Robby is a carpetbagger

[covert wagon]

flatlander

[vale depot]

but you can't say "hey look at that JP".

that's still not cool

[marble jetty]

I am not well equipped to answer that, apologies. I think calling people by their country of residency is likely always the safest option.

[marble jetty]

Why, I love the movie Jurassic Park.

[vale depot]

sometimes.

i mean, should you really call Puerto Ricans Americans?

/s

[covert wagon]

the right answer, technically...is inanimate objects

[marble jetty]

sorry we’re offtopic

And it’s slightly veering off into the no no zone

#spicy-off-topic in the no no zone

[covert wagon]

I know the answer to this from art history. Its socially acceptable to use the term oriental to describe an inanimate object of a certain style / function. People no

[marble jetty]

yes that’s true

At least from what I’ve seen which is southern US

[covert wagon]

but 3DO is not an oriental rug...and were back on topic kids!

[marble jetty]

so may not reflect other parts of the country

3DO is cool

[covert wagon]

HE ADMITTED IT! GOTTEM

[silent oak]

were there any mandates for how the software should operate?

or an absolute free for all?

handful of games have actual save management systems in them

if you wanted to actually free space 7/10 times you'd need a GameGuru disc

[tribal sandal]

I feel like the original resident evil would have run well on 3DO and fit well

[silent oak]

it would need characters redesigned again to use cels

and I am not sure it would maintain original 30fps speeds

Alone in the Dark is comparatively sluggish next to a contemporary 386 pc

and Dr. Hauzer overshoots its ambitions by having highly polygonal main character and fully 3D environments at 4 fps

[tribal sandal]

I guess I was thinking because of the pre rendered backgrounds it might have helped but I don’t know much about coding 😅

[silent oak]

RE1's engine already struggled when there were either a whole water mesh, or 3 zombies on screen

[tribal sandal]

My first RE game was the Saturn version, I actually prefer that port over Psx but maybe it’s nostalgia

[covert wagon]

there were internal checks for approval but the only real thing that comes to mind is you HAD to have a splash screen at boot

and I think that was part of Opera loading up but I am kinda digging up old ass memories

[lilac knoll]

@covert wagon I remember you would say in your videos that if ever a developer were to commit to a 3DO core that you would send real hardware out to be studied. Is this something that came to fruition?

[covert wagon]

3DO M2 and no nobody has taken me up on it

[golden schooner]

m2 isnt real

[covert wagon]

but the offer still stands if a trusted dev ever wanted to attempt an FPGA core Id supply the hardware/docs/SDK docs/SDK source code/knowledge I have

[fossil sorrel]

I just want to reiterate that I said Jap because I was looking at a sheet with (USA)(JAP)(PAL) on it!!!

Also BATTLE PINBALL!!!

Please don't tell kitrinx on me...

After "goonergate" this would surely spell the end...

[lilac knoll]

Maybe sorg has an m2 already 🤔

[covert wagon]

and ecaped my knowledge? haha hardly (kidding)

but it is a genuine offer; hardware that can be researched (and even if that means a bit of destruction) and all the code, software and docs that exist

[karmic basin]

How are you going to send them something that doesn't exist?

[covert wagon]

magic

[karmic basin]

We don't have a Game.com core, and that actually has games.

"games"

[storm moth]

Game com has resident evil, 3DO doesn't

[covert wagon]

who was it that went to MCG last year and played it and drank malort with me? haha

[golden schooner]

this is a weird place, there are 3-4 people arguing about a fake console

[real rapids]

3DO has Doctor Hauzer!

[lilac knoll]

Mame has a tiger electronics core

[covert wagon]

@undone hatch was that you?

[karmic basin]

You met the Dolch and lived?

[covert wagon]

lol I think? I feel bad I forgot WHO it was now

but 99% sure it was Dolch

[storm moth]

I thought it was Dinierto from what I recall seeing

[covert wagon]

shit yes it was @cobalt zephyr

[cobalt zephyr]

Yep lol

[covert wagon]

he saw a real M2 and then got rewarded with Malort

[karmic basin]

"rewarded"

[silent oak]

dang

the game's not that bad

kind of innovative with verticality and jetpack movement in it in a relatively smooth renderer

[covert wagon]

no its fun and if you read about who made it its even more impressive

it was like three barely adults who had never made a game before

[storm moth]

I'd have tested it but I've been focusing on the random stuff no one is gonna try

[silent oak]

I was gonna bait people into checking out Virtuoso but @grim goblet beat me to it

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

This was his reward!

[visual sonnet]

Cool hidden gem games in my opinion

Gridders
Guardian War
Pataank
Immercenary
Hell: A Cyberpunk Thriller
Lost Eden
Snow Job

There's definitely others. I just woke up and my brain is shit so I'm unable to think of more 😂 others mentioned the English translation of Belzerion and that's definitely one also, check out the translation of Battle Blues. It's a cool strategy game that's fairly similar to X-COM UFO Defense.

[vale depot]

don't forget all the softcore porn games! 😄

[golden schooner]

who could

[visual sonnet]

I got a funny story bout those 😂

Back in the day the 3DO was still around I worked at a video game store called Video Game Exchange. This dude mentioned he had those so I brought my 3DO and we set it up in the back room. Later in the day we caught the dude beating off to one of those 😂

[golden schooner]

that could've been any of us

[silent oak]

after seeing that library

[vale depot]

hahaha

[silent oak]

damn, was that the dark ages?

[real rapids]

Might be a little too spicey for here honestly! Especially since srg320 posts here. 😅

[visual sonnet]

Srg is gonna be like "why am I making a core for these freaks??" 😂

[dire sinew]

@vale depot come on, use your brain.

[vale depot]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-minnmax-welcome-to-minnmax-back-to-the-future-minnmax-gif-12348734124659859295

[covert wagon]

Please be an adult. We call it “having one off the wrist”

[lilac knoll]

Do we need unstable main to run 3DO beta?

[real rapids]

Yes

Actually no, I forgot we just got a new stable main. You don't need unstable.

[lilac knoll]

Ok cool

Need to reconfigure my OG triple stack to put the second ram module back in

So I can finally play plumbers don’t wear ties as god intended

[low drift]

I'm in love with the fact that someone had the idea to create Po'ed

Kill ass faced aliens with a frying pan

[covert wagon]

Is a hilarious game. It’s not bad either. It’s just not amazing

[ionic plank]

Crushing ducks has never felt so good

[paper totem]

I can't believe how well the 3DO core runs.

SRG320 has done an incredible job

[oak owl]

Yeah, I don't even mind the small graphical glitches. Give me saves and fix the sound issues and I am set for 3do gaming for months.

[covert wagon]

the worst part about Killing Time is the maze...so many people give up on the game before getting the RSVP. But going through the secret sewer entrance and running the game in reverse is the more fun "hard mode"

[weary rain]

Why does the minus button on my 8bitdo M30 which I set to X always go to my OSD in this 3DO core only

so I can’t use it for games like Street Fighter 2 that use it as a start button and other functions

How do I solve it

[weary rain]

It’s impressive

[sharp pendant]

241 discs tested, 279 to go. Great work so far chaps.

[real rapids]

Can't stop playing Road Rash. Send help.

[visual sonnet]

Keep playing

[oak owl]

No issues with mine. Are you using xinput mode? In dinput both the minus and heart buttons are the same button.

[karmic mantle]

Just played it for the first time ever tonight and I was also loving it

[tall marsh]

road rash 3do is incredible

[gloomy flint]

Especially that soundtrack.

[visual sonnet]

I love the licensed music and the goofy race tracks too. The 3DO introduced me to much of the music I listen to today, I discovered Soundgarden and Monster Magnet with Road Rash, and White Zombie with Way of the Warrior

[weary rain]

yes

[gloomy flint]

I knew a couple people with one growing up, but when I turned 18 is when I bought my first and I loved it. Felt like a mashup of early to mid 90’s culture in one machine.

[visual sonnet]

The 3DO was such a unique machine. I felt at the time it closed the gap to console and PC gaming.

It was also the last console my dad bought for me. After that I got a job and bought my own stuff. I lost my dad 8 months ago and I still have that 3DO so it holds a lot of importance to me. Him and I would game so much together from when I was just a kid till the very end

[signal mango]

Wow sorry for your loss. That is so cool and special that you two continued to play games together.

[rich tundra]

Was investigating why analog video had that strange brightness issues, the problem seems to be that the backporch portion of hblank is too short, I think my TV and others use this interval as way to calibrate color, having it not black throws the brightness off

I suppose that the way I fixed the problem probably will not be accurate with real hardware, so, look at this as a way to play, not as a permanent fix

hope it works on your CRTs guys

[visual sonnet]

Yeah. We built pcs together and everything. We'd play thru the old Lucas Arts games together etc. he was more of a PC gamer where I played both. But later on I bought him a PS4 for Xmas back in 2019 and he enjoyed it a ton.

I made a list of all his favorite games, and also emailed the list to my brother who's currently living in Japan and we're both gonna play thru all his favorite games.

3DO was the first console to that my dad was really impressed by.

[low drift]

Thanks!!!!

I will give it a try

[frank flicker]

Finally shifted the picture to the right in the TV service menue of my CRT and playing some 3DO 🙂 . Pyramid Intruder is just awesome 🙂 .

[forest lichen]

I started looking into the core to center the image for the CRT, but I haven't figured that out yet

[frank flicker]

That would be awesome if somebody could find a way to fix that 🙂 .

[crisp zealot]

Try the HBLANK_START/HBLANK_END values in the VE module.

[weary rain]

This is the only core I have this problem with xinput with my 8bitdo M30

[forest lichen]

thank You!

[fallen stratus]

anyone else have the road not show up in jurassic park interactive? all of the driving levels so everything except the road in front of you, at least for me. i see on the testing spreadsheet that that issue is not logged

[covert wagon]

I have a similar issue with my series x controller

[storm moth]

Yea I see that too on the japanese and ntsc version, looked at some footage on YouTube and core looks wrong. I'll add that to the list

[weary rain]

yea both use xinput

i think it’s a core thing

[marble jetty]

Delete your controller input and try again

[covert wagon]

you cant tell me what to do! You aren't my supervisor

[marble jetty]

Delete your M2 and try again

[dire sinew]

He’s real poe-lease

[covert wagon]

one last capture session for the current core. 3 testing vids. Which I have no place to schedule lol. But I wanted to play 3DO

scheduling has become the final boss

its too bad the audio is so iffy on D

[weary rain]

What’s the best version of D not on 3DO?

[covert wagon]

Deez nuts (I did that for you @marble jetty )

[weary rain]

lol

[marble jetty]

Beautiful!!!

[covert wagon]

D's Diner Director's Cut has the most content

Saturn probably has the highest vid quality

PS1 "Complete Graphics" is good too

but there is no one "best" version as every release has SOMETHING the other does not

[weary rain]

Is this playable in English?

[covert wagon]

it is not

but honestly the story is so...simple it doesn't really matter IMO

[cobalt zephyr]

"rewarded" 🤮

[cobalt zephyr]

this guy knows lol

are you going again this year @covert wagon

[covert wagon]

Sadly no. No time

[cobalt zephyr]

I'm not going either

not because of you though

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/bcGAa.gif

[covert wagon]

just super busy the weekend before and after and I just need to NOT be somewhere that weekend

[silent oak]

https://consolemods.org/wiki/3DO:Homebrew_Games_List

would like to see these tested

especially optidoom

[sharp pendant]

I can get a new tab on the sheet if these are out there and not in Redump

Is there a pack of them?

[silent oak]

this looks familiar

[sharp pendant]

Will get the sheet updated a bit later, if people want to go grab these and crack on then fill your boots

Nice, up to 264 tested so over half the library now. Great effort everyone.

[silent oak]

sadly not seeing like archive archive packs of these and I think there's no Wipeout port out there

[marble jetty]

I’ve had malort

[sharp pendant]

Homebrew tab added

Looks like there are a lot of discs and variants that have been added to redump but adding them cleanly will take me a little longer, but the games list is going to jump up but like 160 discs soon...

OK, I have updated the main 3DO list on the sheet, but I think there are about 10 entries that are going to be duplicates because the files got renamed slightly over the past year. Please feel free to flag any that are not in the current redump because they have been renamed and those can be deleted

I don't have time right now to find and remove them in a clever way

[distant grove]

Wipeout has development in private. No iso publicly shared currently.

Also as previously mentioned, don't bother with gameblabla homebrew if you find it. It only runs on emulators, he fucked up some code that the 3do doesn't like and it black screens on boot

[weary rain]

I figured out the M30 thing

Because the M30 2.4g goes through Dinput IIRC, both minus and heart are the same button

Using my M30 BT controller and it’s working fine

[dire sinew]

you can switch it to xinput

#controllers message

[weary rain]

?

The linked post in question is just referring to button mapping

I looked into switching modes but it seems that is not possible with the 2.4g version

[dire sinew]

sorry, wrong pin #controllers message

[oak owl]

It can be set to xinput. That's how I use mine.

[real rapids]

Tried the Tetris homebrew games. You can't T-spin!

[dire sinew]

right into the trash

[real rapids]

It also has some rather odd button mapping. Rotating the piece and left and right is mapped to the A and C buttons. Which puts the B button inbetween them for no reason and it does nothing. Still a fun version of Tetris overall though.

[rich tundra]

tried to mess with hblank_start/hblank_end to try to offset the image to the right, it seems to only squeeze the image. The strange thing is that I can fix the OSD position changing the front and back porch duration, but not the core image

terrible images, i know

tried changing the line duration to 800, its currently 780 in the core, this gives timings closer to NTSC standards (hfreq 15.63kHz and vfreq 59.4Hz) but it makes the image go even further to the left

anyway, I know its not time to fix that, just reporting what i tried

[bitter lodge]

"New How's" lol

[forest lichen]

Yeah i tried that too

[dire sinew]

Kuba was trying earlier too and was getting some funky results

beat me to it

Dont worry. SRG will appear one day and it will be fixed

[rich tundra]

yeah, i saw this too on my tests

[crisp zealot]

I asked Sorgelig, maybe the reason is incorrect hsync.

[bitter lodge]

Demo discs working if anyone hasn't tried them

Interactive Sampler #2

[sharp igloo]

How about Space Hulk on 3DO Interactive Sampler 4

[bitter lodge]

Says interactive demo but seems like it's just auto playing

Or maybe the controls were just super unresponsive,haha

[sharp igloo]

Gotta select that bottom option "Play Mission"

Looks good though. 👍 👍

[bitter lodge]

I'll experiment when I get back to desk, wife yellin'

[true shore]

lol I tried the first sampler as my very first disc on mister core. I have a very core memory of being 12 years old and walking into a game store where the manager was playing Dragon's Lair on this disc where it drops you into the Black Knight level and him getting increasingly frustrated at it and me laughing. He says to me "oh you think it's so easy?" and hands the controller over where I proceeded to beat it on my first try. Him not knowing that I had been playing the game daily on my Sega CD. His coworkers gave him so much shit after being bested by a 12 yr old. Still makes me laugh thinking about it.

[bitter lodge]

That's amazing

[true shore]

I ended up working a couple Christmas seasons at that store under the same manager. Good guy.

[bitter lodge]

https://youtu.be/Esz8ERdAyj8

[sharp igloo]

Hopefully there will be a single ram build at some point. 😄

[bitter lodge]

Someone knew exactly what they were doing when they designed this character

[tribal sandal]

Will pal mode be available eventually? I know it’s probably not high priority but I’m pretty sure my 3DO from the uk runs at 50hz 😊

[covert wagon]

he reminds me a lot of Robby

always with balls on his chin

all jokes aside I always got the vibe he was based on Phil Hartman

[silent oak]

the og Blasto

[distant grove]

Some demos auto play. Way Of The Warrior has one where two cpu's fight

[silent oak]

"interactive" in a technical sense

[flint orchid]

Is the core available as single ram version already?

[dire sinew]

no, just dual

[ionic plank]

We might need a “is there a single ram 3DO core yet” site ala is mars out yet

[marble jetty]

any core updates?

[distant grove]

Yes single ram stick dropped an hour ago

[marble jetty]

you tricked!

me!

[flint orchid]

I was confused as I saw some images of the core running on a CRT. I assume the only way to get it working is via a DAC?

[ionic plank]

Direct video most likely yeah

[covert wagon]

I did 30 sit ups

[covert wagon]

lol the internet rumors of me being morbidly obese and alone are untrue

[covert wagon]

lol the internet rumors of me being morbidly obese and alone are untrue

[fossil sorrel]

I only do sit downs

[sharp pendant]

The rumours about me being dead are greatly exaggerated.

[weary rain]

https://cdn.consolevariations.com/14098/golstar-3do-alive-ii-front-1601054313-100-transparent.webp

[harsh portal]

Even if true, you'd still have us. Forever alone? Never alone! I never met a fat ski instructor tho, for what it's worth

[covert wagon]

Haha thanks. Im coastal average shape. Im Midwest fit 🤣

[vapid swallow]

A person of class I see. 3do demands crts.

Have we confirmed if the garbage in primal rage at the bottom of screen is underscan issue or if it's graphical issues with the core?

[covert wagon]

You mean the Goldstar 3DO M2 haha

[turbid shuttle]

I know a person that if somebody implemented a ppc fpga block, she will be very happy

[distant grove]

https://youtu.be/ciFdfj3D_NA?si=nwJaKTqsXh_SWCuW

[distant grove]

Morbidly obese? Morbidly a beast more like it

[cobalt zephyr]

who is the toasty guy? lol

It's weird some stuff is different

[dire sinew]

yeah

plays ok on the core

the health stuff is weird

like, when you hit danger, you can still get hit once before you die

also, sub zero's slide doesn't work?

[distant grove]

Back + high kick + low kick

[dire sinew]

I swear it used to be back lp+bl+lk

https://legacy.mortalkombatonline.com/content/games/mk2/subzero/

[visual sonnet]

There's some stages on the core than run really slow but other than that it runs well. The toasty guy in the 3DO version is Trip Hawkins

[gloomy flint]

And I’m sure it’ll improve with time as this is the first version of it

[visual sonnet]

Oh most definitely

Way of the warrior runs super slow too once in gameplay. For a test build it's incredible how well most games run.

Total Eclipse is playable from start to finish

If you wanna good laugh try Total Eclipse on 3DO, then play Total Eclipse Turbo on PSX. My god it's crazy how bad a port to PSX Crystal Dynamics did

[gloomy flint]

I mean Gex is slow too on that core. It was that way a little on the OG hardware, but not that slow. But again, it’ll improve and also makes me miss the PSX version. Just wish the PSX version allowed saving instead of a stupid password you can barely read.

[real rapids]

At least we can use save states on the PSX core for Gex, so not too bad on MiSTer at least.

[visual sonnet]

Yeah. I just finished the latest build of MK2 on real hardware. Very satisfied

[turbid glade]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/1142

[silent oak]

here's updates to optidoom

https://www.reddit.com/r/3DO/s/SpejYUbQv3

[visual sonnet]

New test build incoming?

[weary rain]

3DO been gettin lots of love this week

[forest lichen]

great update !

[crisp zealot]

Just to be on the safe side, I’d like to remind everyone that you need to compile the 3DO.qpf project (not 3DO_Q13.qpf).

[weary rain]

hopefully the rbf will be posted here soon 🙂

[turbid glade]

Need to wait merge by sirgelig

[forest lichen]

Unfortunately, it doesn't work well for me with 32 MB; I'm not sure if it's a compilation issue or something else. I tested it with two MiSTers with 32 MB sdram.

[compact yacht]

guys,some question not MISTer related

is here someone with a 3do and a mnemo usb host?

can he test battle blues translated?

it doesn't work on a real pal 3do but works fine on the MISTer core

game starts but then black screened and get back to game list menu on the usb host

gona try other iso later

[crisp zealot]

I checked your build. It does indeed have some issues. I compiled the same code, and everything works fine.

I wonder what the difference is.

[forest lichen]

The core i posted above works fine for me

Unfortunately, I don't know where these differences come from

[forest lichen]

Please share your core

[storm moth]

It's glitching visually like crazy for me

[forest lichen]

No issues here

Ok i deleted this core

[forest lichen]

Thanks!

[crisp zealot]

See the difference in this test program.

I don't know why, but this test of mine immediately reveals issues in the build.😀

[marble jetty]

Can I forward this to #test-builds ?

@covert wagon + @slender fox

do we still need a 128/33 ram configuration build?

[crisp zealot]

Yes.

[covert wagon]

Nice

saves alone will be awesome for testing

[dire sinew]

We need a new mister main for saves though, yeah?

[worthy hill]

Kanji needs to be boot2.rom?

[frank flicker]

The horizontal position on a CRT is better with this RBF than before but it still needs to be shifted to the right the same ammount again then it would be perfect 🙂 . Super Street Fighter 2X is the game were you see that most easily. I'm testing on 2 x 128 MB RAM.

[crisp zealot]

kanji.rom, in the game folder or parent folder

[crisp zealot]

If you have a keyboard connected, you can adjust the position using the Num+/- keys. Count the number of presses and the direction, and let me know.

[slender fox]

Thanks Robby

Appreciate your work @crisp zealot

[covert wagon]

I dunno you tell me. Your our MAIN man after all

[marble jetty]

@sharp pendant + @dire sinew for your visibility

@crisp zealot what would you like from the community. How can we support you and what would you like tested?

[dire sinew]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/1142

[covert wagon]

See I knew you’d know

[marble jetty]

ATTENTION!

Please consider donating to @crisp zealot on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/srg320

He works incredibly hard to make all these amazing cores and every donation helps. If any of his cores (SNES, Saturn, 3DO, etc.) has ever brought you joy, you can show him appreciation by donating at the link above. Every little bit helps!

[covert wagon]

And please donate to @marble jetty patreon as he works incredibly hard to remind us who works incredibly hard

[ionic plank]

robby should be paying me actually

[dire sinew]

he's not? haha sucker

[covert wagon]

He pays me in gabagool

[worthy hill]

I just loaded up the new core and the picture is all weird. It's not sharp and has rolling lines almost like analog video, but I'm using HDMI out. Anyone else seeing this? The original core was fine. I downloaded the one srg posted here this morning. I have dual 128MB sticks.

[tidal dirge]

how come you didnt tag everybody?

[dire sinew]

Video (to a CRT) is better in this build. but fmv still seem offset

[zenith dragon]

what is kanji.rom?

[dire sinew]

alternative bios I believe

to support kanji characters

[zenith dragon]

Would be this? Panasonic FZ-1 BIOS (JP)[Kanji].bin

[dire sinew]

that I don't know (but probably)

I haven't messed with it yet

[sharp pendant]

It is a kanji character sheet that is needed to play some Japanese games. Expect it in the BIOS DB today

[dire sinew]

waiting to see if sorg is still up to merge the main changes

or if we need to roll our own main for the time being

[covert wagon]

Yes

It’s a kanji font rom

[rich tundra]

it is much better on my set too, its still a bit offset to the left, but i don't know if its my TV or the core

[dire sinew]

load up gex. do the videos still play way over to the left for you (but the game is almost completely centered)?

[covert wagon]

On the prev core Gex FMVs only needed like…maybe a 5% offset in resolve to be entered. Off the top of my head as I usually center anything that’s off

[dire sinew]

On crt? They were way off for me

[covert wagon]

I’d like to just leave it as is to show “here’s what it currently does” but I just get comment after comment about it so I adjust

[dire sinew]

They are a bit better now but still off

[covert wagon]

No I meant capture / HDMI

I can try my PVM Monday. Busy weekend prepping for Easter next week. Lotta house projects

[marble jetty]

@dire sinew do we still need a 128/32 sdram build?

[dire sinew]

Oh yeah, hdmi is pretty good. It was crt that had a lot of trouble

[covert wagon]

Also I had no clue where my HDMI DAC is currently. In the new closet of doom somewhere

[dire sinew]

We shouldn’t as srg added that to the new core, but I haven’t tested it. Probably safe to unpin

[rich tundra]

yeah, the game is almost centered but fmv are still offset

although not as bad as before

in the older build, fmvs where also more offset than the game itself from what i recall, its just that everything was way off to the left

[cobalt zephyr]

I figured it must be lol

it's weird not seeing what's his name

[cobalt zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-madam-kramer-george-costanza-gif-16500671460563851982

[dire sinew]

Games are playable on CRT now, which is nice

[cobalt zephyr]

this made me snort

[golden schooner]

@marble jetty I can test it in a few

[rich tundra]

yeah, its amazing!

is there something like 240p test suite for the 3DO?

[marble jetty]

Oh oops, I missed this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329170138234097745/1487400282420805672/image.png

pins updated

[floral hamlet]

NFS doesn’t boot for me with this latest core:

[frank flicker]

Thank you for that info mate. When I hit - (shifting picture to the right) 19 times it's perfectly in the middle.

[dire sinew]

We likely need a new main. lemme see if I can build it

[floral hamlet]

Makes sense.

[grim goblet]

@sharp pendant The Kanji Font bios adds a little bit of extra loading time per game (like only a second at most realistically), and is only necessary for a very very small subset of games, and can be overridden on a per-game basis by placing the kanji rom inside the folder with the disc image. Just pondering if it's a good idea to blanket include it in the BIOS db.

[dire sinew]

Don't pin that, robby - I'm sure sorg will merge the update soon enough

[dire sinew]

maybe for now? there can be optimizations done later to limit what games load it

[sharp pendant]

Ugh, this I didn't appreciate. I have added it in now but that is annoying if it leads to measurable slowdown.

Maybe srg320 has a clever way to remove the slowdown planned, have it load on core launch rather than game launch, or if we wind up using an xml for games have it set in there to only load on the titles that use it

Anyways, in the meantime, can it be checked the kanji.rom file is coming down in the BIOS DB and working fine?

[zenith dragon]

It didn´t work for me

[sharp pendant]

I think archive is being slow, it should be in by now but it's still doing something weird

[grim goblet]

I downloaded it manually, and it appears to be named kanji.rom.bin in the archive

It does seem to work to properly load japanese games that require it

[sharp pendant]

Ugh, stupid mac not renaming properly. anyways, have fixed in the DB so hopefully working now

OK, that seems fine now if someone can confirm the version in the DB is working fine for them

Anyone using WIP DB will have the new 3DO build incidentally.

[worthy hill]

Adding to my previous report, I am using DV1. Anyone else seeing poor HDMI video quality with today's core? It worked fine on the original and does with other cores. Today's 3DO core shows scrolling and unstable picture almost like analog video

[dire sinew]

I can look in a little bit. What are you using to convert the dv signal?

[grim goblet]

I can confirm that the ROM itself works.
I can't confirm if the version downloaded from update works as named (I specifically don't want to run update right now). It should be named kanji,rom, does this rename it from kanji.rom.bin that is uploaded on archive when downloaded?

[sharp pendant]

Yeah it renames it fine

[cunning drift]

There's a response to that which says it's AI slop and says things that just aren't true... I have no idea what the truth is.

[covert wagon]

Ignore the “AI SLOP” comments lately. It’s the anger Olympics and everyone’s trying to win “performative gold” to hate the hardest

It’s pathetic and getting fucking old

[weary rain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/3DO/s/pMACmQxpJt

seems like it has trouble building

[grim goblet]

@storm moth You mention on the testing sheet that with Deathkeep using FB Offset with h200000 fixes the corruption, but that is the default FB Offset and I was absolutely getting corruption on it. With todays build I can't change it (menu option is missing), and I am assuming it's still default h200000 and I still get graphical corruption. Can you confirm with todays build if it's happening or not?

[storm moth]

Yea I can but that's not gonna be at least another 8 hours. Sometimes that fb offset helped but didn't fix things completely anyways

Like alone in the dark still has it a little, one of the only games I looked at it this morning on new build

[silent oak]

it is using Claude code but honestly, in five years this will be the norm

I had to set it up for my workspace at work

...do I say no?

[real rapids]

Save support already!? The 3DO gods (aka srg320) have answered my prayers! All hail my beloved 3DO!! 🙏

[storm moth]

Honestly since we don't have the fb offset option anymore, i'd just mark it that the lines are there

[tribal sandal]

I forgot how hard vega and m bison were on ssf2 turbo but managed to beat it, apart from the mesh corruption on character select screen and some vinyl audio cracks it works great. Also tested saving on Road Rash that also works great.

[covert wagon]

We have been SAVED

[real rapids]

That we have my brethren. That we have.

[covert wagon]

Now I can do my KT 100% run

[forest lichen]

Looks fine for me

[slender fox]

A game to test out saves on?

Something with option menu saving would rock

[real rapids]

I'm starting with a Road Rash big game mode run.

[tribal sandal]

Road Rash choose big game mode, complete a race then go to restroom and save

[slender fox]

Thanks

[tribal sandal]

Beat me to it 😂

[real rapids]

The Mortal Kombat II fan port save options.

[slender fox]

Sweet

That may be quicker.

Thanks team

[real rapids]

Actually hold on. I just tested it, and the options didn't seem to save on my end. Not sure if it's the game or the core that caused it.

[slender fox]

I'm getting this On alone in the dark.

I have auto saving turned on in the OSD.

[storm moth]

Are all your games in one folder?

[slender fox]

No

Separate

[low drift]

Maybe you have to restart the core

[slender fox]

Will try

Cold boot

Here we go.

[storm moth]

Yea i'd restart the core because I got that message on last version and thought it fixed it

[slender fox]

Same message

Trying MK2 now

[real rapids]

So Road Rash did save on my end. I think Mortal Kombat II's options really just don't save. Even though it says in the options menu to press P to save.

Also Sub-Zero's slide is mad hard to do in this version of MK2. I know they changed it to LK HK and back. But even that only seems to come out like 1 out of 10 tries. Very odd.

[slender fox]

MK not saving.

Moving to road rash

[real rapids]

I am seeing a lot of other improvements though in the latest build of MK2. The weird jump kick hit stop is now gone for example. I can also get Scorpion's toasty fatality to work now, and I couldn't in the previous build.

[worthy hill]

Thank you. Goes into a Tink 4K

[worthy hill]

Weird. I’ve never seen this before on any MiSTer core. The way it looks is so strange.

[forest lichen]

can you send a photo?

[worthy hill]

Yeah. I’m out but will be back home shortly

[dire sinew]

@worthy hill Yes, I see it too

its gotta be the changes to make it look good on CRT

[real rapids]

Can confirm that Need for Speed does save the options. I changed it to the second controller config (it swaps the order of the gas and break on the controller) and it saved that.

[dire sinew]

gonna check the morph

saving is fine here too

[slender fox]

NFS not booting for me

[dire sinew]

working ok here

Yeah, direct video into a scaler is goofed

[covert wagon]

I wont have a chance til monday

[slender fox]

Is it coo to have 2 BIOS files, or should i rename the kanji one?

[covert wagon]

big easter next weekend so house stuff this weekend

[dire sinew]

pretty sure it's fine as is, but I haven't updated yet

[slender fox]

Thanks TJF

[worthy hill]

Thanks for confirming

[sharp pendant]

If anyone who got the kanji.rom from the BIOS DB can confirm it works fine for me with those games, then would put my mind at ease as am out and can't double check, but it should be fine...

Also would be worth checking the games that didn't boot before on the new core for anyone testing

[marble jetty]

Which games

[visual sonnet]

Saving doesn't work in Slayer. Says insufficient space..when asked to got the memory manager to make space, nothing happenes

Explosions now look correct in total eclipse

[marble jetty]

Sailor Moon still doesn’t work

Tutu Hakusho does

[grim goblet]

Pretty Soldier SailorMoon S? It worked before todays core, and on todays core. I've tested it :/

[visual sonnet]

Total eclipse still had the occasional green line on the screen but that's bout it

[marble jetty]

Saving worked for me

[sharp pendant]

The sheet is your friend 🙂

[visual sonnet]

Interesting. I wonder why it isn't working for me

[real rapids]

Did you install the new MiSTer main that was posted today in the thread?

[storm moth]

I couldn't find a list of games that required the kanji rom, apparently its like 4 or 5. I know Sword and Sorcery needs it, BFS Blue Forest Story, Life Stage, The - Virtual House and Twinkle Knights

[vapid swallow]

Holy Grail acquired.

[slender fox]

I did

[visual sonnet]

Way of the warrior game play still slow but hey it'll get there eventually!

[marble jetty]

Thanks

[grim goblet]

I've confirmed twinkle knights works with it, and now loads properly.

[marble jetty]

Interesting, Life Stage worked for me on the last core

[slender fox]

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[real rapids]

Not sure then. Need for Speed booted fine on my end. Still does have the graphical corruption though.