Panasonic 3DO

[real rapids]

Blasphemy!

[golden schooner]

Ooh I’ll be in Chicago in April

[dire sinew]

we can all hang out and drink malort

[covert wagon]

the best

[golden schooner]

Hardest of passes

[forest lichen]

Best ex😅

[vapid swallow]

This doesnt feel real

[real rapids]

It's not real!

https://tenor.com/view/the-penguins-of-madagascar-madagascar-movies-animation-cartoons-gif-16596826

[cobalt zephyr]

point it offscreen and pull the trigger

[covert wagon]

weak

[golden schooner]

Isn’t it awful

[covert wagon]

depends on what you like

its just a bitter, herbaceous liquor. If you like a bitter amaro with no sweetness and extra alcohol its amazing

[frank flicker]

You read my initial question right 😉 ? Obviously I don't have the 3DO gun 😉 .

[cobalt zephyr]

it was a joke lol

[distant grove]

Someone get a clip of Starfighter

[floral hamlet]

MK2 port is nice

[rapid cobalt]

FYI: 32MB modules ignore A9 when activating banks (which is why they are 32MB instead of 64). So changing this https://github.com/srg320/3DO_MiSTer/blob/main/3DO.sv#L676 to something like this might work: .addr({1'b0,~RRAS3_N,RA[19:11],1'b0,RA[10:2]}),
Alternatively, I have code in the Jauguar sdram init that detects the chip size by writing to both A9==0 and A9==1 and checks if it overwrites. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Jaguar_MiSTer/blob/menu_cleanup/rtl/mem/sdram_dual.sv#L242 Note this is meant to save you research time. Feel free to ignore.

[west patio]

.addr({2'b00,~RRAS3_N,RA[19:2]}),

if (refresh_count == startup_refresh_max-32) begin

[gaunt imp]

Some dude on Reddit. Hopefully this is accurate.

[covert wagon]

makes sense to me

[slender fox]

Is this working. I've copied, but followed it with 125GB of games, it's taking ages on my SD card

[golden schooner]

yes

[slender fox]

Thanks

Stream prep

I really should set up a NAS

[golden schooner]

yeah you should

[umbral charm]

Road Rash for me!

[finite plinth]

No big loss 😉

[slender fox]

Anyone know if the soundtrack for road rash flags up for copyright? @covert wagon

[tepid star]

Star control 2 time! Yuss!!!!! yes yes UQM exists on everything including toasters but 3do version was the reason those ever existed in the first place, blasphemy i know. pause on interstellar space and let the sndtrack blast! lets go

[slender fox]

I loved Start Control on the Mega Drive. Great 2P game

[fathom steeple]

hi love your Youtube channel, watch it all the time

[slender fox]

Thanks, appretiate it

[true shore]

Yeah road rash and way of the Warrior will def flag copyright bots

[slender fox]

Thanks

[midnight estuary]

srg320 is DO man!!!

3 DO Mans!

[tepid star]

Yes, huge thanks to SRG I hope he is lurking here somewhere with a proud smirk on his face! someone mentioned he was actually on the server, hope thats the case

[left stump]

Soundgarden soundtrack so probably don't risk it.

[covert wagon]

Yes. Avoid it. And way of the warrior

[slender fox]

Thanks.

[covert wagon]

Also Doctor hauzer intro music

All will throw flags

[left stump]

You can probably play the hilarious indie soundtrack on Quarantine though. "You Don't Like Me Anymore" is burned into my head and always makes me laugh

[slender fox]

Dangit. My streams always get demonetised.

[golden schooner]

wtf why

[tepid star]

Attention! Interloper! omg this is sooo sick, I dont have to break out the old girl panasonic anymore

[mystic abyss]

I notice that the pinned instructions say to put the rbf file into the 3DO games folder. Shouldn't it go in the Console folder?

[golden schooner]

yep, dangit robby

[umbral charm]

Done my part for today, see you next time.

[midnight estuary]

Also can we put a not to rename the FZ1 bios to rom.bin, but for idiots like me LOL

[mystic abyss]

Watching the intro to Wing Commander 3 right now. This is great.

[covert wagon]

Views on the vid are bad. Then I remember…nobody cares about 3DO 🤣

Shit vid

[tepid star]

I gave you and PCN 1 view each. :Insert Starship troopers meme here:

[covert wagon]

Haha I’m not surprised. MiSTer is niche and 3DO is even more niche

It’s because you misspelled donut

[golden schooner]

you're a donut

[compact yacht]

Tested lost eden-super streetfighter 2-lemmings-MkII,all working fine,MISTer is really great,never could imagine we could play 3do-saturn-psx and n64 on it,greatest platform all time for me atm.

[real rapids]

Hopefully it'll get a bit of a boost later since it was an earlier run time than usual! 🙏

[covert wagon]

Saturday is garbage day anyway

[midnight estuary]

I am using the V2 of the mister main, and I can definitely see the BIOS screen, but when I try to get Another world going, it seems to stall. I have tried with Read from CD "NO" and "YES".

[compact yacht]

bin cue or iso?

[midnight estuary]

I have tried the cue and the ISO

[compact yacht]

i took my iso files from my mnemo usb host

try out of this world

its the same game,just us version of it

another world is the eur version

gona try it now

[midnight estuary]

At this point, I can't seem to get any game to load. 🙁

[golden schooner]

what dual ram config do you have?

[midnight estuary]

If I set read from CD to "YES", I see the 3DO bios screen, but then it goes to black, and nothing ever comes up. If I set the read from CD to "NO", the BIOS screen comes up, and it stays up, but neigther allow the game to work

I have a maxed out config, with dual RAM config

[grim goblet]

config maxing

[golden schooner]

big time

[compact yacht]

out of this world works fine here

[sharp pendant]

So, after a few people have been digging in today, am I right in thinking that 3DO core has dropped in rude health, and the only real issues found are some audio issues (to be expected with the sound chip needing work) and saving not fully implemented? Is that basically all that has been found? If so, that is pretty incredible.

[weak hound]

Rude health?

[compact yacht]

yeah,i'm impressed to be honest

[golden schooner]

when your blood pressure is piss off

[compact yacht]

works really good,sound issues can be fixed and maybe here and there a bug in some games,but it works decent,i'm happy.

[gaunt imp]

Health that’s slightly insulting; passive aggressive.

[grim goblet]

Some very minor graphical issues with glitched lines across the screen sometimes, and some low FPS in a few games.

[tepid star]

so far at least the handle of things i have tested are great, i forgot the chd thing so i reupped bin/cue and then it was better, it seems audio is decently far along in the core at least in the few i tried

[midnight estuary]

Is it possible that because Im currently outputting through HDMI that, that is my Issue. I thought I may have seen something posted above about needing to be on analog output?

[compact yacht]

i also use hdmi

[grim goblet]

HDMI works perfectly fine

[solar stream]

You know what's funny? My MiSTer setup already has almost more storage capacity than my PC, and it has long surpassed other modern video game consoles.

[compact yacht]

think dualram doesn't work with analog output,don't be sure

[weak hound]

How about nude health: https://nerdbacon.com/vivid-interactive-3do/

[midnight estuary]

I have the newer digital output board that can output via the Saturn port, by using the direct connect output from the HDMI, I am just outputting actual HDMI at this point!

[dire sinew]

that should work fine

[weak hound]

3DO didn’t have the Seal of Quality I take it

Holding back smut

[errant mulch]

hello all

only Dual RAM ?

[dire sinew]

yes

[golden schooner]

yes, dual 128mb

[errant mulch]

🥺

[midnight estuary]

Interesting. I am now trying the the first mister main variant with the same problems 🙁

[cobalt zephyr]

so how are y'all loading CHDs if they don't show up in the file list

[golden schooner]

yes they do

[grim goblet]

They do

[golden schooner]

make sure you have CHDs and not CHuDs

[barren ginkgo]

they don't in mine

all I see is iso/bin,cue

[grim goblet]

I absolutely see CHD extension files in the OSD file loader

[barren ginkgo]

which rbf?

[grim goblet]

the only rbf we have?

Make sure you've got the correct mister main too

[barren ginkgo]

using the v2

[tepid star]

do i have like slower memory or something? my system works way worse with chd than bin cue. i have one of the older dual ram units. i know the recommedation was bin cue but still

even the list above to avoid for chd is incomplete on my system

havent tested all on the list of course

[covert wagon]

I’d have said “released fully torqued up with just a bit of double vision”

I’d say it’s 90% a 3DO already

[golden schooner]

hey all

anyone with a 128/32 mister can use this version courtesy of the notes from @rapid cobalt

[covert wagon]

It’s booting almost everything, the frame rates are very close to accurate and it’s just a bit of audio popping and slight horizontal line corruption on a few games. So close

[golden schooner]

@karmic basin

[rapid cobalt]

Did you change both SDRAMs to 32MB or just the second one?

[golden schooner]

just the second one on 674

I accidentially changed sdram1 on the first attempt not paying attention

[golden schooner]

@marble jetty can you pin this for users with 128/32M users?

[rapid cobalt]

Might be better do both. In case anyone tries 32/128 instead of 128/32

[tall marsh]

im so jealous

[golden schooner]

I didn't think that config worked

[rapid cobalt]

Not sure how likely that is

[golden schooner]

im going to propose a PR to srg repo now so he can include in the next build too

[rapid cobalt]

Sure

[golden schooner]

gotta run to the store but will get it in shortly, thank you for the tip

[marble jetty]

Ok done

I’m playing pinball

[golden schooner]

thx, this fixes it for users like me with 32M 2nd modules

[marble jetty]

PEEBALL

[barren ginkgo]

Got it working. I forgot to throw the boot.rom into my network folder

[rapid cobalt]

Obviously if doing the first one as well, the Rs need to be Ls

[covert wagon]

Your hat is broken

[warm kiln]

Just to verify - to convert a MiSTer Pi to Dual RAM, I just disconnect the AV board on the left side and replace it with a stick of SDRAM?

[golden schooner]

Yes and flip a switch maybe

[marble jetty]

and give it a kiss

[dire sinew]

yes

[dire sinew]

no

[dire sinew]

yes

[golden schooner]

Is that only on a real de10?

[dire sinew]

no, anything with a 9.2 board doesn't need the dip flipped

[warm kiln]

Sounds good - I had a spare stick from a MiSTerAddons build when I switched my main unit to a MiSTer Multisystem, so I’m glad it was that easy.

I’m assuming that also loses the headphone out, right? That means I’ll need to put in a HDMI audio extractor for this setup.

[lapis herald]

Seems to have fixed mine with 32mb on 2nd slot, was just getting black screen before, no bios. So thanks to you and Grey rogue, and SRG

[midnight estuary]

So, I have tried numerous things, I may have gotten bad luck with the Silicon gods (lottery), as I have seen this before on my setup with another core. I can get it to get to textured bluish screen, but never any further 🙁 Tried multiple games, all iso/cue files. I have tried the initial core, and the 32M core, nothing seems to be working for me sadly 🙁

I have also tried multiple versions of the mister main, to no avail.

[golden schooner]

All thanks to GrayRogue I just had quartus and 22 free minutes.

[golden schooner]

Share you mister.ini section where you’re calling the unstable mister?

[orchid lance]

This is, on my mind, the Official 3DO mascot for the 2020's.
Someone please hack the boot ROM so it plays this GIF when the system boots 😄

[silent oak]

I am now firmly in the 128mb single sdram club waiting for when this core matures enough to finally beat Killing Time

[dire sinew]

did you turn cd loading to yes?

[silent oak]

dumb question, why is that an option?

[dire sinew]

maybe a testing thing

[silent oak]

it's not like 3DOs have a bios menu that manages save files

also, are the games outputting in 240p or 480i?

[tepid star]

Shut it all down Shatner style, The Coven and Star Control II are fully functional

those are my contributions

tbc for coven on the spreadsheet

wtf bandaged weirdo in the intro to coven, wtf. 90s were a weird time

[gloomy quest]

It’s because it’s dual ram

[gloomy quest]

Why are you always literally trying to flex on the chat bro ?

That’s a bad ass dragon I ain’t gonna lie .. but can you please choose a more amicable pose next time

[barren ginkgo]

move your boot.bin to the folder with your games. I had the same issue

*if you are loading from USB or Network folders

[sharp pendant]

If you use BIOS DB via update all then delete any BIOS you copied over and just run update all

[grim goblet]

I think everything I've tested was 240p

[rich tundra]

hey guys, i noticed that this core's hsync and vsync are a bit off, 16.03kHz for hsync and 60.9Hz for vsync, it this to be expected? My TV have a stable output, but the colors shading are off, kinda like what happens with sega system 18 core

[distant grove]

This channel will never have the silent tranquility it once had... The masses have discovered 3do...

[rich tundra]

does real 3do console's output these frequencies?

[proud flint]

I owned a Goldstar 3DO in the mid-90’s…..this is a dream come true for me! Never thought it could ever be done, but wow! Srg320 is a F ing genius!

Been waiting to put these to good use….

[warm kiln]

I’m getting the blue screen issue, too - I’ve tried a couple of things, but it’s not liking my setup. Let me know if anything fixes the issue for you

[dire sinew]

CD loading set to Yes?

[warm kiln]

Yep. I get a 3DO screen, then blue.

[turbid shuttle]

Happy 3do day for those that waited half year for it

[midnight estuary]

Yesa sir, I have actually tried both

[dire sinew]

I DMed Elphive a present to see if it works. If it does, then we may know what the issue is

[midnight estuary]

my boot.bin is in the games folder, and I also ran update_all

[dire sinew]

should be boot.rom

[midnight estuary]

well, update_all brought down what it needed, AND I actually see the 3DO logo come up, so the BIOS is indeed there

[midnight estuary]

Was this a response to me???

[midnight estuary]

Will do

[golden schooner]

https://github.com/srg320/3DO_MiSTer/pull/1 I submitted a PR to srg320 for the 32mb sdram fix

i dont know what a technomancer is but I've been mancering tech all day today with this thing

got 1st place in Road Rash, still got it

[covert wagon]

It’s like a dirty dancer but for tech

[golden schooner]

Does Gex have doom skulls in it…

[midnight estuary]

Just for more informations sake, I just booted into another core, then switched to the 3DO core, and now when the 3DO logo comes up, the background is red

[signal mango]

Has anyone tried snacx?

[golden schooner]

I had some popcorn

[marble jetty]

Your fault!!!

Are there any other tips and tricks that should be added to the Important Info pin?

[golden schooner]

It’s not dual 128mb anymore, just use the copy I uploaded

Also Robby you don’t put the rbf inside games

It goes in _Console

[marble jetty]

LOL oops

[true idol]

Do we rename the bios to boot.rom? Or just load it from the core? Analog ouput seems to be not in the center at this stage of core's life.

[golden schooner]

Rename to boot.rom

[marble jetty]

Ok fixed, thanks

[true idol]

I found four different 3DO bios, is there a recommend one for the core?

[golden schooner]

Someone posted the SHA1 above but I think it’s panazf1

[oak owl]

update all will download the current working one.

[marsh wren]

update all did not download for me

even though its on

[sharp pendant]

I would recommend everyone who manually installed a BIOS to deleted it and run update all with BIOS DB enabled (if they use it) and then you will have the working BIOS and we are all using the same, recommended, one

Hmm, anyone else not having the 3DO bios downloaded by update all?

[marsh wren]

its not pulling the bios

[golden schooner]

So no boot.rom in /Games/3DO

?

[marsh wren]

nope

[lapis herald]

there is an option you have to enable to get bios, not sure if that's the problem here

[marsh wren]

its on

bios db= on

[sour trout]

Same with me. The script was complaining about an existing 3DO BIOS, but once I deleted it, it was unable to fetch it. The same happens with Jaguar for me, at least from time to time.

[lapis herald]

I think there's a log that gets made, maybe look at that for some error. or just manually grab it

[warm kiln]

I wasn't having it pulled by Update All, no. I had to manually download it.

[real rapids]

It did pull it with update all on my end when I did it earlier today.

[signal mango]

I have done the dirtiest of deeds. I have ordered a second ram stick.

[golden schooner]

Taki?

I ordered one but then emailed asking to cancel

[signal mango]

Legacy pixels

[distant grove]

3do fomo...

[golden schooner]

Taki was only $32 shipped to SoCal

My 8yo thinks road rash for genesis looks better than 3do

[signal mango]

I already cannibalized my second mister but need to replace the missing ram in that one

[signal mango]

Tax or no tax

[golden schooner]

No tax

Incl ship

$32 total

[signal mango]

51 total from legacy pixels.

[karmic basin]

@golden schooner - 128x32 version working great! Thank you so much!

[golden schooner]

Woop woop!

Thank GrayRogue - he provided the fix I just installed quartus

[gaunt imp]

Poobah does solid work. I got my IO board from him.

[signal mango]

Yeah ive bought from him before and been happy.

[gaunt imp]

I think ram too? Not sure

[sharp pendant]

For people having issues with getting the BIOS via update all, have you tried hard resetting your MiSTer?

[karmic basin]

@golden schooner

[sharp pendant]

I.e. turn it off and on again

If this still isn't working will have to get @deft gull to dig in why it isn't downloading

[signal mango]

100% authentic

[golden schooner]

No Emulation

[lilac knoll]

Finally we can play gex as god intended

[sour trout]

No, I don't think so. Will try tomorrow.

[warm kiln]

Tried deleting all BIOS files, reloading, and re-running Update All. Got it to download the BIOS, but unfortunately no change.

Also tested a known working image from @dire sinew , which still shows a blue screen.

[marsh wren]

yup

[midnight estuary]

Yeah, my BIOS came down from update_all, but still no dice for me!

[marsh wren]

download manually

[midnight estuary]

The BIOS isn't the problem, I do get the 3DO logo coming up

I think @warm kiln does also

[true idol]

3DO has so many bios (if you look manually):

[midnight estuary]

Yep, but the one that comes down with update_all should be the one that @crisp zealot tested with

[marsh wren]

i found the work around

download MiSTer-Companion and run update all

[midnight estuary]

just to get the BIOS

[marsh wren]

yup

[midnight estuary]

OK, I already have that LOL

[marsh wren]

something is wrong pulling the bios from the mister itself

[midnight estuary]

you mean through update_all?

[marsh wren]

yes

[midnight estuary]

I get the same problem, I don't think it is the BIOS file for me

[maiden bear]

Anyone else having issues with the aspect ratio where the image appears cut on the right side (maybe a fifth)?

[marsh wren]

also the MiSTer unstable build for 3do i cant open the mebu with the keyboard

[warm kiln]

I can only open the menu with the keyboard on this build. For some reason, my controller’s home button isn’t opening it

[golden schooner]

You need the newer mister unstable

#1329170138234097745 message

[marsh wren]

yup this fixed my issue

[golden schooner]

Credit to zakk, i just merged the PRs

[warm kiln]

Ah, got it - that’s probably it, then. I just pulled the version from update_unstable_main before

Yep, that’s working now

[rich tundra]

video timings seem to have indeed to do with my video problems, i'm using RGBS through direct video, vsync timming in particular is causing trouble with my CRT TV, it syncs but brightness changes depending on what is on the screen

did anybody notice something like that?

[dire sinew]

Yes. I noticed that a lot with wolfenstein

[midnight estuary]

What did you do to get it going?

[karmic basin]

I've not tried it on a CRT yet. Is the core outputting 480i as it should? Nope.

[midnight estuary]

I have now tried all 3 3D0 mister unstables that have come up today, and I still don't get a single game coming up???

[dire sinew]

when you press the OSD button on your controller, does the OSD come up?

[midnight estuary]

yes sir 🙂, well to be sure, it comes up when I press F12

[ivory ingot]

Nice, the 3DO can also play Doom

[dire sinew]

Which mister main are you using?

link me to it

[midnight estuary]

I have tried all 3

all 3 of them have allowed me to get to the core's menu

[dire sinew]

No, you said you tried all three cores. Which Mister main are you using?

[midnight estuary]

Apologies, I have tried all 3 mister mains

[ivory ingot]

Have you tried this MiSTer_3DO? #1329170138234097745 message

[warm kiln]

Try the MiSTer main from the link posted above. Rename the file to MiSTer and copy to the root of your SD card. Overwrite the existing file.

[ivory ingot]

Instead of overwriting the existing MiSTer file it its better to do this:

Add the following to the bottom of your mister.ini file:

[3DO]
main=MiSTer_3DO```

[midnight estuary]

I already have that in my mister.ini

[ivory ingot]

And you used the MiSTer_3D0 that I linked to?

[midnight estuary]

I have all 3 mister mains on my SD card, which is how (i say) I have tried all 3 mister main's

[dull knot]

Last unstable main has screwed that up

Zakk has an open PR

[ivory ingot]

The MiSTER_3DO that I linked to has the fix

[midnight estuary]

I will clean re-download the linked MiSTer_3DO and try that

[grim goblet]

Apparently some Japanese 3dos had a switch for selecting progressive or interlaced. 'should' output 480i isn't quite accurate.

[karmic basin]

There are games that have timing issues as they expect 480i.

and not apparently, the original Japanese FZ-1 was the model. It's a mod you can do on most units.

[cobalt zephyr]

a buddy downloaded the v2 one and it worked so which is latest?

[ivory ingot]

#1329170138234097745 message

[grim goblet]

This was surprising information for quite a few people here when that came up a month or two ago.

[karmic basin]

Really? In 3DO nerd circles it's common knowledge. But they are small circles. 😄

[cobalt zephyr]

Thanks!

[midnight estuary]

OK, so I've tried a couple of things. I have re-downloaded the linked-to (in the pins) mister main, and tried it with the lines in the mister.ini file

that didn't result in anything different

[ivory ingot]

How are you copying the file to your mister?

Also you do have dual ram right?

[midnight estuary]

Then I removed those lines, and renamed the main mister file to mister_old and the mister_3do file to mister. Still no dice

I am using a windows machine with an SD Card reader/writer.

Yes, I have dual 128

[covert wagon]

Small but mighty and hung

[vapid swallow]

@midnight estuary where are you putting the .rbf file for the core?

[midnight estuary]

in the unstable folder

Should that matter?

and t o be specific the "_unstable"

[grim goblet]

rbf file location doesn't matter, as long as it's in an indexible folder (one that starts with _)

[vapid swallow]

no it shouldnt

as long as its not in the games dir, i dont think you can get to it from the main menu until you load a core

[midnight estuary]

the core loads, I see the 3DO logo, and I can get to the core's menu, and select an ISO file. I shows the loader loading the file, but then it just goes black

[vapid swallow]

you select load CD as the option?

[grim goblet]

AWBacon inspects EVERY member in in the 3DO circle to ensure this.

[midnight estuary]

Yes, and that is set to "YES"

[ivory ingot]

Maybe the game you're trying then? I just tried Doom from redump and it worked. Try another one?

[midnight estuary]

Just tried DOOM, and have tried quite a few others, still nothing

after the loading progress meter goes away, I see a flash of the 3DO logo again before it goes black. Also, when the screen goes black, the lights on the mister itself stop blinking. Just the power light stays on!

[karmic basin]

Monthly. It's a Patreon "perk"

He keeps little charts and everything.

[midnight estuary]

Im guessing it may just be silicon lottery for me 🙁

[golden schooner]

What board are you using

Terasic, QMTech, hamgeek, Taki?

[midnight estuary]

DE10-nano

terasic

[vapid swallow]

I think it has to be your dumps dude

Try downloading one from a known good source

[midnight estuary]

Perhaps I will try CHDs instead of ISOs

[vapid swallow]

has to be .bin and cue files I believe

[ivory ingot]

I've been using bin/cue, not ISO

[midnight estuary]

I read above that people were being able to read chd files also, even though the menu doesn't state it

[golden schooner]

I’m using all chud

[vapid swallow]

damn chuds!

[midnight estuary]

LOL

[weary rain]

Saw this when I was out at a local retro game store today 👍

[midnight estuary]

That was IT, I just tried a chd file, and it came up 🙂 LOVE YOU ALL 🙂

[vapid swallow]

nice!

[marble jetty]

Check the Important Info pin for information on what games you shouldn’t chud!

[golden schooner]

All hail the chud master

[vapid swallow]

Robby why are you always doing the lords work?

[marble jetty]

Because if I don’t I get sent to hell

[golden schooner]

wtf Robby pops in once every 3 hours

Lords work…

[midnight estuary]

Is that the link to the spreadsheet?

[karmic basin]

Isn't that what this place is?

[marble jetty]

Sieienfks

Wait wrong link

#1329170138234097745 message

[simple otter]

they shouldve waited until april 1st to release this

[warm kiln]

Anyone else getting glitches & audio breakups during the sequence with the panning images in Sid Meier’s C.P.U. Bach?

[grim goblet]

very possible, audio glitches are quite common, a few FMVs stutter, and some games have graphical glitches though usually quite minor

[midnight estuary]

I got graphical glitches in 3D Atlas

[midnight estuary]

Is it that they don't compress well to CHD or that the core doesn't work well with CHDs for those titles?

[dire sinew]

@marble jetty we should add that ISOs are not compatible

PCN had the same issue

[marble jetty]

Those games have indexes greater than 2 which CHD compression throws out

[dire sinew]

I didn't think people were walking around with 3DO ISOs

let alone 2 people

[midnight estuary]

LOL

Hey we're OLD

[marble jetty]

Its a CHD issue

[marble jetty]

Sure, which one

[midnight estuary]

OK, so even though those CHDs seem to already be available, the chd files themselves have issues

[dire sinew]

Important info

you know what

[marble jetty]

Oh wait I get it, ISOs in general don’t work

[dire sinew]

I wonder if we should say "if you're testing, make sure you are using redump bin/cues to avoid any weirdness"

[midnight estuary]

I would go with that, because I wasn't able to get a single ISO to load properly

I think my set was a Redump set!

[marble jetty]

Ok cool copies tha

[marsh wren]

which is best to use chd or cue/bin

[midnight estuary]

now granted it was a 2017 set

[marble jetty]

This is great

[marble jetty]

Rock to cue/bin unless you’re fine with being looking into which games you should avoid compressing

[midnight estuary]

AHHHHHHHHHH, great to know!

[marsh wren]

thank you, cue/bin it is

[marble jetty]

I don’t know it autocorrected to rock lol

[lean apex]

rook to c8

[midnight estuary]

I think Im going to grab a newer bin/cue set

[marble jetty]

Redump is good, maybe you can my rient it

I don’t know how to use that as a vague hint

[midnight estuary]

LOL

[golden schooner]

I just look to the great archive in the sky

Their org skills are so good

[marble jetty]

MY oRIENTation went great today

There we go, vague

[karmic basin]

good job, buddy

[midnight estuary]

Again LOL

[silent oak]

My orientation is gonna pass away at the end of the month so be quick about it

[fossil sorrel]

The appearance of the 3DO core has refreshed my spirit

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-kermit-kermit-meme-kermit-water-kermit-waterfall-gif-24226895

[fickle onyx]

Awesome!

[errant mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-jealous-at-all-tantrums-love-you-sad-crying-gif-17300221

[wet lotus]

I can't wait until I get to try the core tomorrow.

[fickle onyx]

Wolfenstein 3D (USA) is playable if someone cares to update the spreadsheet

[dire sinew]

i havent hit anything that isn't playable yet

[karmic basin]

All I've seen is the line glitches in Need for Speed and Rebel Assault. Pretty impressive for a first drop of the core.

[lilac knoll]

Here’s a list of exclusives for 3DO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:3DO_Interactive_Multiplayer-only_games

[cobalt zephyr]

So how much space does the complete redump in CHD take up

[marble jetty]

A lot

[cobalt zephyr]

oh jeeze I don't know if I have a lot

[harsh portal]

Is this sort of screen position offset normal atm?

[dire sinew]

yes

it's a bug

but it's only on direct video > CRT

[harsh portal]

Wonderful, let's fucking go

[karmic basin]

Keep in mind there's a fair amount of "multimedia software", so you wouldn't want a complete set. Unless you're a nutcase like JesusFish.

[dire sinew]

hdmi and normal direct video are fine

[harsh portal]

Thx

[cobalt zephyr]

hmm true

[lilac knoll]

Would games like gex run better on psx by chance?

[wet lotus]

I have the complete redump in CHD format that I used for Batocera and Recalbox. I just checked and its about 151 GB. The full bin/cue is about 287 or so GB

[karmic basin]

Yes. 60fps as opposed to 30fps on 3DO.

[frail bronze]

I got the 3DO menu to come up but the chd files I have aren't appearing, I know they work on another emulator

[cobalt zephyr]

hmm thank you! how many games is that? The one I'm looking at from 2025 is about 671

[lilac knoll]

That’s more than I would have expected

[cobalt zephyr]

"games"

[marble jetty]

CHD works just fine

Maybe just wait a bit

After the menu

It takes longer than expected

[dire sinew]

I wonder if index 02 games work ok if they are CHDed. I wonder if the core knows what that is

[marble jetty]

also true, maybe the core doesn’t know about index 2 lol

[wet lotus]

It’s close to that but I have the set from 2022. I’m going to redownload the full set since I don’t have the betas added to the set in 2025.

[marble jetty]

All you need is Pataank

[midnight estuary]

Before I go to bed, ALL HAIL @crisp zealot 🙂

[covert wagon]

It’s 3DO. Define “playable”

[marble jetty]

omg the framerate in Life Stage

[harsh portal]

3do is new to me so despite sort of knowing better, i immediately googled "best 3do rpgs" imagine my shock to find there's actually 4 results

cant ask for much more than that

[frail bronze]

AD&D Slayer was always my favorite

[marble jetty]

One of them is Lucienne’s Quest!!

[proud flint]

Homebrew works too!

[karmic basin]

I just fired up my Trip'd CHD. Loaded ok.

[frail bronze]

I'm not sure why they're not showing up for me, I also have mine in folders in cue format, I'll try those instead, but I'll have to do that tomorrow

[harsh portal]

Narry a fat baby in sight. But this'll do

[proud flint]

I played Daedalus Encounter up to the scene after you go to Mizar and then the game seemed to crash.

[harsh portal]

i literally had zero clue a single rpg existed on 3do

this just made my night

[proud flint]

Everything I tried in my collection seemed to boot fine. I’m using CHDs. Plumbers don’t wear Ties still is the WORST game ever made. Haha

[karmic basin]

Vivid Videos Immortal Desires works. I hate you.

[marble jetty]

Why are you playing that

[karmic basin]

BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS TO, ROBBY. SOMEONE HAS TO.

[verbal fjord]

"playing"

[marble jetty]

I’m playing Insector War

[karmic basin]

How else do you expect to find HIDDEN GEMS® if you don't spend time in the mines?

[marble jetty]

Is every game on this system a great value Wolfenstein

Also I played Cyberdillo and Cotton Eye Joe was the main menu theme song 10/10

[karmic basin]

There could've been a kawaii nudie mahjong game on here, and you would have never known if not for my efforts.

[marble jetty]

There’s organic hunter mahjong

Omani

OYAJI

[digital zodiac]

Does road rash work?

That's one of the best versions of road rash

[karmic basin]

Not sure yet. Cowboy Casino Interactive does.

if you were wondering

[digital zodiac]

Also. Does Super Wing Commander work?

[pulsar ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-taunt-arm-up-defiance-street-fighter-alpha-gif-18170307

[harsh portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coSrQsVkfPY

watch out FF7, here I come

it's hilarious to me that people spent months or years of their life working as best they can. and this is the result

[marble jetty]

It got ported to Saturn at least

[harsh portal]

needs a working designs port imo

[grim goblet]

It's no Ancient Roman, that's for sure.

[harsh portal]

ngl, my eternal quest for fat babies marches ever onward

[marble jetty]

Biofury is kinda like resident evil fps

[karmic basin]

ESPN Step Aerobics works. CHD tested. Gonna get a quick calorie burn in.

[dire sinew]

it do

[vapid swallow]

Alright what am i doing wrong here. OSD works sometimes, while in a game it stops working completely

[ivory ingot]

Like if you press the menu button it doesn't come up? What happens if you press F12 on a keyboard (if you have one?)

[vapid swallow]

let me try

[ivory ingot]

And you defintely have this version of MiSTer_3DO #1329170138234097745 message and it defined in MiSTer.ini with

[3DO]
main=MiSTer_3DO

[vapid swallow]

so my OSD hotkey stops working after i use it once

but F12 appears to work every time

so ill just use that, ty

I assume 6 button controllers arent supported yet as well?

[ivory ingot]

If F12 works then it means you've got an older MiSTer_3DO with a bug. The version I linked has an osd fix in it

[vapid swallow]

ah ok let me recheck

i had a hell of a time getting this thing to work for some reason 🙂

[karmic basin]

6 button controllers on 3DO just remapped L, P, and R to the top row. So you can setup an alt map for that when the MiSTer UI asks.

[signal mango]

Anyone pushing rgb out of an io direct? I haven't really used analog on this thing yet.

[vapid swallow]

Thx Tim

dave - i know why i wasnt using that file. For some reason my OLED it makes my TV go out of range and stop working. The only one I can see to get to work is the v2 file posted further up.

which is weird b/c the ini is exactly the same otherwise

Static in sound but works otherwise!

[grim goblet]

Just as a note for you, that is an old version. Rev 10.05 is the last release.

[vapid swallow]

Oh wow appreciate you letting me know. Been a min since I checked it out.

[frail bronze]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, I think I did everything on the setup list, I put all the games in cue format now, I try to run one, and just nothing happens

[vapid swallow]

you put the correct bios file as boot.rom in your games dir?

games/3DO/boot.rom

[frail bronze]

well I ran update all, I thought that would put the bios file where it needed to go

[vapid swallow]

it should, i ended up doing mine manually

[frail bronze]

I have 3DO - FZ-10.bin bios that I used with another emulator

[vapid swallow]

you have load fromn cd set to yes?

[frail bronze]

correct

[vapid swallow]

you want FZ1 not FZ10

[frail bronze]

OK, once I get that, where should I put it?

in the same main folder as the games?

[vapid swallow]

yes

i have all my games in sub-folders

[frail bronze]

right, that's what I did

[vapid swallow]

but boot.rom is in the top level

[frail bronze]

right

so panafz1.bin is what I want?

[dire sinew]

yes

but rename to boot.rom

or you can turn the bios DB on in update all

and it will grab it

[frail bronze]

OK, that was what I did

[vapid swallow]

My update_all wasnt grabbing it for some reason

so I just manually did it

[frail bronze]

the two files I had were the same size

[vapid swallow]

try the V2 3DO mister file furhter up

the Mister3DO file in the pins doers not work on my unit for some reason

[frail bronze]

now I have a blue screen

[vapid swallow]

hit your osd

f12

see if the menu comes up

[frail bronze]

I haven't got a keyboard handy attached

I've got a button on my controller that brings up the menu, and that works

[distant grove]

Rev 11.3 is about to drop

[tawdry cape]

do CHD images work for 3do core?

[ivory ingot]

Yes

[tawdry cape]

mint, thanks

[gloomy flint]

Anyone knows why the bios shows up but when I load a disc, it doesn’t load? It refreshes like it’s going to load but then it doesn’t. Tried Gex and Doom so far and both are the Redump versions.

[ivory ingot]

There's another menu option that needs to be enabled, it's Load CD or something like that

[gloomy flint]

I didn’t enable that yet. Figured that was from loading from an actual CD. Like if you had an external drive or super dock

I’ll try that when I get out of the bathroom here.

[marsh wren]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-alive-gif-11205409

[dense whale]

This is pretty great. Reporting that the image is off center on my CRT using direct video and svideo

[gloomy flint]

Gex works but it can get really slow at times. Like I’m watching someone else play a stream

Using Dual RAM of 128/128 on mine

Just got the first tape, so I’m gonna skip to another game and come back to see if it saved.

Gotta put some Dennis Miller on as when I had a legit 3DO, that’s what I used to bring out sometimes to test the FMV.

[viscid harbor]

Dennis Miller the game, I’m going to have to get a DR setup sooner than I thought.

[golden schooner]

You guys have disaster recovery MiSTers?

[viscid harbor]

Like a glovebox MiSTer?

[gloomy flint]

What’s a disaster recovery MiSTer?

[golden schooner]

I dunno Mikey has a DR setup

Maybe an offsite mister backup

Or a mister cloud

[gloomy flint]

It’s basically a wrap up of 1993 done in the style he did on his Weekend Update segments. You can select the month, the subject, and clips for each one using the shoulder buttons. It’s called Dennis Miller - That’s News To Me.

[viscid harbor]

Oh, I have office MiSTer and home MiSTer. Also save my microSDs as backups when upgrading. My plan is to pass my MiSTer down to my great grandchildren to enjoy Gex and Dennis Miller.

[gloomy flint]

I just got the Dual RAM MiSTer Pi right now but I’d like to get a SuperStation One setup eventually with the SuperDock.

[golden schooner]

Heirloom quality mister

[viscid harbor]

Such a nostalgia blast, had no idea it existed. Legit got me excited for exploring and discovering unique things on this core.

[gloomy flint]

There’s also three Woody Woodpecker video titles as well that could be good for a quick watch.

[viscid harbor]

I think SuperStation is locked to single ram, I could be mistaken but recall hearing the slot is occupied for something else.

[gloomy flint]

That would more be an FPGA PS1 like I have the N64 and Pocket. Might even grab a Duo before those are stop being made.

The MiSTer Pi has basically become my primary retro console attached to my RetroTink 4K. I have it on the 3DO preset and just changed the input until someone makes a dedicated DV profile for the RT4K

[viscid harbor]

Want to check out GameBub. I know Takis working on handheld MrPi.

[gloomy flint]

I been wishing for a Handheld MiSTer for the longest time. My number one physical want.

[viscid harbor]

Todd made a pretty sweet desktop mini arcade mister. May grab one for my kid for holidays if / when any kits align with things.

[gloomy flint]

I got the 8BitDo Arcade stick so that works for now. Eventually love to have a full size cab or a barcade again like I had in my mid 20s

Damn, can’t believe that was fifteen years….

[golden schooner]

The handheld mister sounds great in practice but with so few cores supporting save states it makes using it for short rounds on the go pretty hard

I think for portability, emulation wins.

[gaunt imp]

That thing is sick. It’s exactly the bar top Arcade I’ve been looking for.

[signal mango]

• heat + battery life

[visual sonnet]

Anyone try Immercenary yet? I know that one was difficult for 3DO emulators to run correctly for a very long time. I'll have to try it when I jump back on Mister here shortly

[dire sinew]

I have no idea how that game is supposed to look and work, but it seems to run fine

[calm night]

Early early days I know but it’s funny that Microcosm also isn’t working on this core when it’s one of the few not working on the Sega CD core too. Something about that game doesn’t play well with FPGA

[weary rain]

whats your chain from the dual ram mister with DV?

Do you have it going to ypbpr, rgb, etc.?

im curious because i want to hook up a crt to it someday but i feel confused on how to do it after the HDMI to VGA step

[weary rain]

SSF2 Turbo doesn’t respond to controller input, using (RE2) tagged Redump, I assume it’s a second revision of the game

[visual sonnet]

Total Eclipse other than an occasional tiny green line that pops in, looks, plays, and sounds perfect

[weary rain]

Also when I press the X button aka SELECT on other controllers, it makes the menu OSD pop up even though that’s not my global hotkey and the FZ-1 BIOS idle animations don't play and just show a blue screen, FZ-10 BIOS functions don't work and it just shows the background

I will say though, I am very impressed with how good it is on release day

[dull knot]

Just noticed my 1G1R collection is EUR->USA~>JPN

[low drift]

Setting aside the audio clicking and a few glitches here and there, practically all games run great. I'm amazed for a first beta

[visual sonnet]

Yeah same for me. I'm guessing seeing as it's a test build obviously not everything is fully implemented. For a first test core though damn it is running really damn well. I'm very impressed

[low drift]

Sf2 turbo music is 🤯

[slender fox]

Best music option.
Fun fact it was included in the PS2 version of HSF2 15th anniversary edition.

[weary rain]

It was originally from the FM Towns version IIRC

3DO made it hot though

[low drift]

Anyone tried 'Virtuoso' on a modern display? Not sure if this is just a Direct Video to CRT output problem

[slender fox]

I had no idea, 🤯

[devout current]

just realised the core doesn't yet support chd

guess i'm going to have to do some conversion in the meantime

[low drift]

Yes it does

[devout current]

oh hold on i only downloaded the first build

[visual sonnet]

It accepts chd. It just doesn't say so in the menu

[slender fox]

This was pretty insane yesterday. I hope to do more in the future.
https://x.com/i/status/2035510985847423481

Pixel Cherry Ninja (@PixelCNinja)

Holy smokes! Check out these #MiSTerFPGA wallpapers designed by @Anime0t4ku during the 3DO core testing livestream. Chosen by viewers and created in minutes.

Link to replay in reply

X · Mar 22, 2026, 12:16 AM

[devout current]

chds are showing up now but even with download_all getting the bios, i get nothing but black screens on both 128/128 and 128/32 versions (got one of those qmtech misters which i'm fairly sure is 128/128)

oh no wait

it's single ram

:'(

[low drift]

Switch 3 is toggled up?

Ah ok

[devout current]

at least that's what the aliexpress listing says

[azure matrix]

I just ran update all and thought I was seeing things when I read "3DO/boot.rom" in the downloaded files

sadly i'll have to wait as I don't run dual RAM but this is amazing

[frail bronze]

yeah I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I tried both update all and downloading the bios manually, I just get a blue or black screen and the games won't load for me, I know I have dual ram on mine

[slender fox]

Are your game bin/cue?

I started with iso/cue, they don't work

[frail bronze]

they're img cue

[forest lichen]

For me, 3do only works on one of the three MiSTers

[slender fox]

That's it. Find bin/cue or convert

[frail bronze]

I tried CHD files that I had and they didn't appear on the menu to select

[slender fox]

I have not tried CHD, but will move there to save space.

In the future

[slender fox]

Is it because two are single RAM? 😂

[forest lichen]

😄

[slender fox]

Games that did not boot for me
Battlesport
Cannon Fodder

[forest lichen]

But seriously, they're all 128 + 32mb. I ran the same card and got different results 🙂

[ivory ingot]

It doesn't work with 128 + 32 atm

[devout current]

still honestly pissed at myself for ordering an nmemo ode for my 3do like 5 years ago, ripped out the disc drive (which was working perfectly) to stick it in there and it basically killed the psu, tossing up between a recap or just waiting for a single ram version of this core

[forest lichen]

yeah works

[ivory ingot]

Huh ok

[frail bronze]

OK I'm going to delete the img versions of the games and try the chd file again, since I put the correct bios file on there I'll see if it works

[forest lichen]

#1329170138234097745 message

[frail bronze]

yeah it just doesn't appear

[ivory ingot]

Or try bin/cue

[frail bronze]

does anyone know why the CHD files just wouldn't appear? I'd hate to have to download everything again

[ivory ingot]

They appear for me, perhaps you have an older version of the core?

[frail bronze]

3DO_20260321.rbf is what I have

[forest lichen]

💪

[frail bronze]

is that the newest version? I grabbed it from here last night

[forest lichen]

yes

[frail bronze]

alright, I downloaded a bin/cue version of a game off myrient, and tried running that and I'm getting a blue screen from that too, I give up, I must be doing something else wrong

[visual sonnet]

Did this run really slow for you?

[forest lichen]

At first glance, it seems to be working fine

[visual sonnet]

Ok. When I tried it fmvs were fine the the fighting itself was like 15 fps at best

[slender fox]

It reminds me of Saturn testing, where we got random results for a while.

[slender fox]

Borrowing this, for a friend

[slender fox]

Run from CD, yes?

[forest lichen]

I think it's great that we have the 3DO and can run tests, and things will only get better over time. srg320 is a magician

[frail bronze]

Yes I was running from CD

[slender fox]

A living legend

[sour trout]

Above, it was mentioned that ISOs don't work. Not sure if that's relevant, but MK II works for me from an ISO, both RC5 and RC10.

[slender fox]

I wanna try that next.

[distant grove]

A new version is about to drop within a day or two if you wanna wait

[slender fox]

Nice, if you remember, would drop me a message when it's out please?
Only if you remember and have the time, of course.

I'll still try the current version, as I held off before, because I don't have a 3DO

[sour trout]

Also, would it make sense to add homebrew games as a separate tab to the spreadsheet? They are not numerous, but testing against them might expose more issues:
https://consolemods.org/wiki/3DO:Homebrew_Games_List
https://archive3do.com/software-preservation-center/

[distant grove]

I just realized who you were this morning reading through the posts, figured if you were gonna do another video with it included it would a good idea to let you know so you aren't testing a version that will be obsolete within 48 hours

[quartz rivet]

I had the "blue" screen issue and it was resolved by using the correct mister main.

[distant grove]

Regarding this list:
1: gameblabla games only play on emulator
2: onside soccer, icebreaker2, and power slide are not homebrew

[slender fox]

Yea, makes Sense. I'll wait for the new version.

[frail bronze]

what do you mean correct mister main?

[slender fox]

Thanks for your time.

[slender fox]

Pinned messages

[drowsy phoenix]

Will the core of the 3DO be developed only for mister FPGA dual ram? Or will it also come out for single ram?

[slender fox]

Give it time

@distant grove
Any recommendations for sites that host homebrew and fan ports for 3DO?

[distant grove]

Unfortunately they are super scattered. I have several on my site. But I can get practically anything you need relatively easy

Only homebrew I will not be sourcing is anything made by gameblabla.

[slender fox]

Cool, I dropped you a DM

[slender fox]

Who's that?

I know nothing of 3do scene. Apart from I part exchanged my NEO-GEO to get one 😂😢😭

[unkempt ferry]

@slender fox MK and Tempest and others here - https://archive3do.com/software-preservation-center/

[slender fox]

Thanks.

[distant grove]

An individual I don't want to be associated with nor promote. Talking about him is already bad enough. He's not a 3do person, just made homebrew for 3do that only works on emulator. His homebrew on pcfx is simply disgusting and beyond what I feel like seeing associated with 3do.

[unkempt ferry]

Shame there's no scene demos for it, at least I couldn't find any on Pouet.

[distant grove]

Sure there is. Bugothecat also known as Optimus has many demos

He has sticc uploaded on pouet I think

[frail bronze]

OK maybe this is what I'm doing wrong, I did download that Mister_3DO file, where exactly am I supposed to put that?

[unkempt ferry]

oh I lie, there is a couple of scene demos for it - https://www.pouet.net/search.php?what=3do&type=prod

[woven nimbus]

In the root of the sd card

[sour trout]

To the root directory of your SD card.

[slender fox]

Yeah

[frail bronze]

OK I had it in the same folder as all the cores, that's probably what I'm doing wrong

[vapid agate]

thank goodness

[quartz rivet]

And update mister.ini

[frail bronze]

yep I did that

[unkempt ferry]

Ha, Optimus, I bloody know him, lives down the road!! Small world etc. - his 3do comes under "custom hardware" in this list - https://demozoo.org/sceners/6496/

[frail bronze]

so on my file structure, it'd probably go under "fat", correct? It looks like that's where everything else is (I'm using Filezilla"

[vapid agate]

orabatak link is dead apparently?

[sour trout]

Yes. But remember that Filezilla needs to be in the BINARY mode.

[frail bronze]

OK the game is loading, but it's REALLY slow to load

[marble jetty]

Instructions are all in the pins

[frail bronze]

wait, I thnk I got it now

now the CHD file showed up and that's loading

[unkempt ferry]

Orabtrak is on Hidden Palace, download works

[marble jetty]

If you are having issues, instructions on getting this core working are pinned

[frail bronze]

I might have to play with it some more, but I was able to get a game to load up 🙂

[forest lichen]

I think speed is ok

[marble jetty]

Make sure to compare the game against real hardware first.

Early 3D didn’t have great polygonal performance.

[sour trout]

I've tried again after renaming my manually downloaded BIOS to a backup. The script still doesn't fetch 3DO's bios for me from the database. For what it's worth, I use a USB-mounted SSD to store games and bioses. There's nothing in the log that mentions this bios.

[distant grove]

This is definitely slower than it's supposed to run. It's supposed to run between 25 and 30. Closer to 30 most the time

Starfighter or the Tomb raider port would both be good stress/bug tests. Both run copious amounts of math and arm assembly

[warm kiln]

OpenLara for me has a lot of flickering. Basically every texture flips between its correct display and black

[harsh portal]

Misteraddons IO Direct board using his saturn mini-din cable to ypbpr. i have a ypbpr signal switching box it goes into before it hits the tv

[forest lichen]

Thanks, I don't know anything about 3DO or how the games are supposed to work, so I won't say too much about it here

[distant grove]

That's another thing the two games have in common is a pretty intense LOD system.

Wonder if that's what is causing the flicker for Openlara

[distant grove]

It almost looks like the game is running in slow motion versus low frame rate

[forest lichen]

Soundtrack is great

[distant grove]

Use the free cam button

It's start or some shit. Can't remember. Been a while

[frail bronze]

has anyone tried running Shadow War of Succession? I know the game is terrible, but whenever I play the game on an emulator, it runs at like 800 miles per hour, and I've always wondered if that's like an emulator glitch, or if that's really how the game runs

[distant grove]

That's how the game runs

Send a video

[umbral charm]

The major issue for the 3DO will be to have accurate videos and enough people with the 3 major regions of the console.

It was already difficult with the Saturn.

[distant grove]

They run the same across all systems, minus the universal difference with pal and ntsc

[forest lichen]

I'm thinking about buying a 3do console

[umbral charm]

I mean, when testing, with a real system and a real disc.

I had some incorrect reports on the Saturn because people relied on Saroo or some other ODEs.

[warm kiln]

I have a NTSC-J unit, if you’d like me to test with it.

Trouble with testing against real discs is that most 3DOs have failing lasers to various degrees. Current behavior isn’t necessarily intended, as I discovered while playing an original copy of Gex on my unit.

[distant grove]

Saturn is a pretty low level system. Thats more than likely the culprit. With 3do it's a high level OS system, there is fundamentally no bugs regarding rendering or cycle related issues across various revisions or regions. The only issue is anvil systems using too much memory with the OS and crashing like, 3 total games in the entire library. Other than that you're gonna have accurate representations of software across any system. ODE or CD

[distant grove]

Games that stream assets will definitely have issues when it comes to poor CD drives. Total Eclipse will generate geometry that doesn't match the current level, NFS will have a lower fps, doom with frame freeze between portals, etc....

It would actually be more accurate to test against an ode in most cases lol

[umbral charm]

That's reassuring.

My knowledge on the 3DO is almost zero on the technical console side, I only dumped games, betas and protos during the last 20 years.

[distant grove]

The other thing is that 3do has an obsessive community that's pretty small and pretty much everyone knows every quirk of every game. The community isn't big enough to have a mass of people that don't know the library

[umbral charm]

PS1, Saturn and N64 are most my thing and I worked with every major emulator since the beginning of each machine.

[distant grove]

3dodev.com is the largest 3do resource if you're ever curious and have downtime

[umbral charm]

But 3DO in my country, never seen one even in import stores back then.

Yeah, I check it from time to time.

[forest lichen]

Same :))

[umbral charm]

Too much projects, so little time.

[distant grove]

Where are you guys located?

[umbral charm]

Germany back then.

[distant grove]

Or gals, whoever lmao

[forest lichen]

Poland

[distant grove]

Germany got Goldstar systems, officially. Though I'm not surprised you didn't see them

[jagged scroll]

is it time to check out 3do games?

[distant grove]

Its been time since 1993

[jagged scroll]

really should have bought it back when i was 1

you're right ❤️

i'm not working hard enough

just messing about of course

[distant grove]

Brokie 12 month old no bread get good

[jagged scroll]

exactly

[distant grove]

I was -4 so

[jagged scroll]

so i really have no excuse, dang

[distant grove]

3do doge cube or Jaguar Cat cube call it

[jagged scroll]

oof, that's a tough one

[distant grove]

Doge cube iso for 3do. The real mister core test

[crisp zealot]

Now for the bad news. The FPGA’s internal memory is only enough to emulate 0.38 MB out of 1 MB of VRAM. By default, this section is allocated at the beginning of VRAM, because in most games the framebuffers are located at the beginning (0x200000/0x225800). The framebuffer is the part of VRAM that is most sensitive to timing. When the framebuffer falls into the portion located in DDR, you see graphical glitches in the form of flickering lines and pixels.

I’ve temporarily added an “FB offset” menu that changes the position of these 0.38 MB relative to the entire VRAM. You need to change this option before launching the game or reset the game after changing the option. I’ve included a list of games with non-standard framebuffer locations in the README (currently for US games only).

[distant grove]

3do too advanced for mister confirmed

@marble jetty pin his announcement pls

[velvet geyser]

we all very much appreciate the clarity.

and thank you for joining the discord, it’s great to have you here

[crisp zealot]

Eventually, I'll have to figure out a way to change this value when the game loads. Unfortunately, 3DO game images don't have a header with a name or ID. So far, I see a checksum as the only way to identify images.

[marble jetty]

I beleive in the raw power that is @crisp zealot

[gaunt imp]

Maybe a dumb question but could a config file or something be included into each games folder to identify which game is being launched?

There’ll be a bit of curation but it would be innocuous to the actual game images. Kinda like how the Neo Geo has the XML file for the non-.neo collection.

[marble jetty]

I gotta be honest, I half understand the problem

[gaunt imp]

I understood it as a lack of headers like the NES faced before the 2.0 headers.

I don’t know much about the deep dive tho

[covert wagon]

you have to set a target to hit a moving object

[karmic basin]

There's only enough ram in the DE-10 to allocate half of what the 3DO needs
For many games, that's ok
For the ones that need it, you see glitches
Offset expands the memory into DDR and corrects it
There is no way to automagically activate when games need it due to lack of fingerprinting

[covert wagon]

I feel like we could solve this; create disc images that have a specific checksum or header that could then auto trigger core settings; how like the N64 core will self identify roms and set the core up for that specific game

just a thought

The “FB offset” menu determines the position of the FPGA's internal memory blocks (which operate faster than DDR) within the 3DO VRAM.

Recommended settings for certain games:

Alone in the Dark (US): 240000
Cannon Fodder (US): 2A0000
FIFA International Soccer (US, Korea): 2A0000
Psychic Detective (US) (Disc 1): 280000
Quarantine (US): 260000
The Need for Speed (US, EU): 2A0000
Seal of the Pharaoh (US): 260000

so far it seems like a handful of games only

[karmic basin]

Kit was talking about finally creating a MiSTer file format for CD images the other day. As the Jaguar CD core is running into problems due to the way the discs were authored.

[covert wagon]

honestly the VRAM doesn't really sound like that big of an issue as you can allocate the offset to correct the problem. Not as seamless as "boot image and play" but also its one toggle

[dull knot]

Out of curiosity, ran AI locally to generate a USA->JPN->EUR 1G1R set based on the full 3DO redump list provided.

[vapid swallow]

Couldnt you dumb it down even further and just go by filename similar to the n64 db hacks file?

I would assume the region wouldnt matter and every game has a unique name

[covert wagon]

Yes I mean any identifier could be used in theory

[vapid swallow]

Yup, I think it is a good idea

[covert wagon]

Since we've seen it on the N64 side it makes sense. At least to my layman ass because I understand half of everything but then it tips over into the WAY TOO technical and I get lost. But VRAM offsets and memory address space allocation in diff components makes sense to me with internal memory vs external (to the FPGA chip)

[marble jetty]

you’re a vram offset

[covert wagon]

think of it like this

you bring just under half of what I bring to the table 😉

[vapid agate]

wen

[timid mason]

cdi is a pretty good format, it actually can encode subcode

there's not much need with cdi encoded subcode

[spring basin]

chd also has subcode storage, but good luck finding any that were created with subcode data

[karmic basin]

This is why I just play the Genesis.

But Kit: think of the drama shit storm you could rain down creating a MiSTer format 😄

[marble jetty]

CHD also has people who are too lazy to fix the index 02 issue!

[timid mason]

I dont really see how it would be drama

people used to make new cd formats all the time

[karmic basin]

To us it wouldn't.

[timid mason]

they still do, like JCD

[spring basin]

good news: subcode data fixes it

[timid mason]

but no session storage?

[marble jetty]

Great, maybe they should figure that out

!!!

@timid mason take CHD, improve it, and then release it for MiSTer

[karmic basin]

Sounds like a great project for you to run, Robby.

[spring basin]

no session, but stuff like that is 'metadata' and could be stored. it's just not

I mean, why would you store REM lines....

[timid mason]

I made a subcode-encoded cdi the other day that worked, im pretty sure those are unicorns too

[marble jetty]

Sounds like the CHD motto, “should be done buts it’s not”

[timid mason]

why don't we just fix up CHD a little then

it's not like many discs need subcode at all

then we'll just make our own conversions

[spring basin]

the encoder is extremely difficult to separate from mame, so it would be a bit of work

[timid mason]

chd encoder?

[marble jetty]

Yes, exactly!

[spring basin]

yeah

[timid mason]

my friend this is just a function of apathy, and the cure to apathy is AI

[marble jetty]

ApathI

[spring basin]

also if you could just tack on metadata to compressed images you could solve a few of the issues, but you can't

[timid mason]

why not

[marble jetty]

sounds like a challenge, and I believe in Kit

[timid mason]

they don't have a metadata field?

[karmic basin]

If we can somehow make this about Atari, she can't resist.

[timid mason]

don't distract me from adding VLM saving to the jaguar cd bios

i'd like chds for jag cd

if you implement that for me zakk, ill make you fancy chd things

[karmic basin]

Got her!

[marble jetty]

When Kitt sets her sights on something, she can’t be stopped

https://tenor.com/view/knight-rider-kitt-david-hasselhoff-the-hoff-serie-tv-gif-7202134

what is heck

[karmic basin]

ok ok... no more gifs.

[timid mason]

eww

[marble jetty]

was that raw chicken

[timid mason]

I dunno I deleted it

[spring basin]

with the current tools you can't use them to add metadata to an already compressed image. if you could I'd have solved session/index with a simple tool

[viscid harbor]

That was the Hoff

You made him disappear

[covert wagon]

The Hoff is too sexy for the server

[timid mason]

is it a format issue or just a tool issue?

[marble jetty]

Side tangent but I found the M30 to be a great replacement for the 3DO controller, @karmic basin what say you Mr three dee oh face

Oh oh oh

[karmic basin]

I think it's what I've been telling all you crazy people (you included) that have wanted to buy 3DO controllers off me.

[spring basin]

I'm not sure, actually. it may be that the metadata ends up also compressed and/or part of a checksum. I didn't look too deeply into it

[dire sinew]

honestly, the m30 is a pretty good replacement for most controllers

[karmic basin]

M30 is what I used for everything outside of Nintendo and Sony.

[marble jetty]

Soytendo

Nintony

[warm kiln]

I pretty much exclusively use the Pro 2 for everything with 1, 2, or 4 face buttons, and the M30 for anything with 3 or 6 face buttons.

[dire sinew]

Our bespoke main nightmare has ended #unstable-nightlies message

[spring basin]

already like the 3do more now

[marble jetty]

But we still need to 3DO main right

[marble jetty]

What is this

[dire sinew]

no

that has both commits

[marble jetty]

Whaaaaat wow

[dire sinew]

3do and fixed OSD

[spring basin]

dump of a 3do cdrom

[marble jetty]

you’re a fixed OSD

[dire sinew]

thank you

[timid mason]

I poked sorg about it

I hate custom mains a lot

[karmic basin]

Robby... go to your gashapon store and harass them.

[marble jetty]

@spring basin how does it feel reminding everyone that you control the real power here by breaking their OSD access

[marble jetty]

That is actually the plan today lol

[spring basin]

you should see what else I can break

[marble jetty]

I fully support Evil Zakk

Evakk

ohhhh, that’s like your super villain name

[distant grove]

Padding

[spring basin]

wouldn't it just be an extra k? (the worst typo....)

[vapid swallow]

Do you guys see underscan in Primal Rage by chance at the bottom?

[spring basin]

was this supposed to be....motivation?

[dire sinew]

the crossover event of the season

[karmic basin]

Everybody rumored
Nobody believed
But you see... it's true

[lapis herald]

https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/tools/chdman.cpp looks like there's a add meta command, and there's an option to exclude the metadata from the sha1 hash. I'm no CHD expert tho

[timid mason]

I like to phrase my requests as questions to pretend to be a normal part of society sometimes

[spring basin]

already compressed chds return 'not writable' when you try to add metadata to them

you're working on jaguar, you are not a normal part of society

[timid mason]

are current ones mostly header v5?

[spring basin]

yeah, no one should have anything but v5

[timid mason]

ok

[dire sinew]

@marble jetty Ok, we can strip all the bespoke main stuff out of the pins. Unstable works fine

[dire sinew]

can probably just replace this whole section with "Requires Unstable MiSTer Main" How to get the core working: Download the custom MiSTer main from the [Download Core] pin Move that file to the //media/fat/ folder Add the following to the bottom of your mister.ini file: [3DO] main=MiSTer_3DO

[midnight estuary]

Yeah, except sadly the link doesnt work

[distant grove]

Which one

[midnight estuary]

The link to get Orbatak

Direct from that site. I think I found it in CHD format from that fun site that shall not be named in the MAME section

Haven't tried it yet

[distant grove]

It won't run unless you have the one I made. Then it still won't run until srg gets sillypad working

[midnight estuary]

LOL

[midnight estuary]

which one did YOU make? And where to get it?

@covert wagon - SO are you like the happiest kid in a candy shop with your 3DO core 🙂 ?

[lapis herald]

ok tried it, you're right. That add meta command only seems to work with an um uncompressed CHD. Seems like something we could find a solution for if we really had to.

[covert wagon]

Haha you think I have time to play it?

[distant grove]

Unless the core is running the arcade bios and srg had sillypad working, whatever dump from the arcade disc you found is incompatible with anything retail. I had to unpack the image, replace the OS folder, put a banner, then repack it as an iso and encrypt it to make it run on a retail system

[midnight estuary]

I thought you would MAKE TIME!!!

[distant grove]

Uploading the image now

[covert wagon]

I am just good at…Killing Time

[midnight estuary]

Me too

[covert wagon]

No I played a bit. But it’s the weekend so that’s hang with the wife time. Minus the video I made yesterday I try not to blow huge chunks of time on the weekends to gaming

[midnight estuary]

Gotcha

[midnight estuary]

I just know this is the core you have been dying for LOL

[covert wagon]

haha that and PC-FX

just because that is truly the unloved system with a few hidden gems

[midnight estuary]

True

I was one of the lucky ones who had a 3DO in the past

Sadly no longer 🙁

[distant grove]

@midnight estuary

[midnight estuary]

MANY THANKS 🙂

[rich tundra]

I'm having quite a bit of problems like this with my CRT, the image brightness changes depending on what is on the screen, @dire sinew also have noticed that in wolfenstein, I had this experience with other cores when vsync is on the edge of what my CRT supports (sega system 18 and the old jaguar core, before rework), or maybe its something with how RGB lines are setup, i dont know (Im using RGBS through DV)

[junior ledge]

Do I have to rename the unstable main in the fat folder from "MiSTer_3DO" to just "MiSTer"?

[low drift]

In some games, there seems to be a brightness issue that fluctuates depending on the menu or level you're in. In fact, it even affects the OSD when you open it. It just happened to me with MK

[rich tundra]

yeah, this exact issue is happening here too, in my CRT is severe enough to be hard to play

[dire sinew]

just update to the unstable main now. you don't need the main from this channel

[rich tundra]

is extremely noticeable in crash and burn

[junior ledge]

oh okay. i will try that

[low drift]

Exactly, Virtuoso it's mostly unplayable due to this

[rich tundra]

i'll try to take a video

[low drift]

This weird effect, along with the fact that the image is significantly offset to the left, makes gaming on a CRT quite frustrating at the moment, at least for me

[dire sinew]

yeah, my guess is SRG hasn't looked at any of that stuff yet

since the amount of people with CRTs (and with a way to get video from a dual ram mister into them) is probably low compared to folks who have this hooked into an LG

it will be addressed at some point

still early days

[low drift]

It makes sense that CRT-related display issues are a lower priority for now; I have no complaints. The core's performance is outstanding

[rich tundra]

yeah, no complaits from my part too, i imagine that are a lot of things higher on the list, anyway i think its good to report it

[forest lichen]

Works fine

[timid mason]

@spring basin see:

[tender crystal]

They do. They have a unique id. I'm traveling right now so I'll point you to details later. It isn't perfect as homebrew often use the same values but for most retail it will work.

I even have a lookup table you can reuse.

[golden schooner]

Did you just vibe code this

[timid mason]

mostly. I set up some of the test harnesses and dependencies. It's really good at boilerplate like that

I pre-generated a reference document for the format and added notes to it

[silent oak]

how's PO'ed?

[forest lichen]

Works

[slender fox]

I have not PO'ed my pants for over a week

[cobalt zephyr]

then you ain't livin'

[slender fox]

Need more chipotle

[vapid swallow]

Taco Bell makes you PO your pants. Chipotle makes your wallet PO'd

[cedar dome]

I bought a 3DO a couple years ago just to play Need for Speed and Crash'n'Burn 🙂

Need for Speed is more like a simulation on 3DO compared to the arcadey PS1 version.

[slender fox]

It's about balance ⚖️

[slender fox]

I liked NFS on my 3DO, it ran slow for me though.

[ashen cedar]

Oh damn, I'm gonna have to finally get a dual ram setup.

[zinc ingot]

Nothings booting on my mister , done everything as listed and have dual ram. Just get a black screen.

[dire sinew]

can you open the menu once it has booted?

[unique pike]

How did you manage this? I am about to unpack my chds

[midnight estuary]

Had a couple people last night with problems getting the proper BIOS file through update_all

[zinc ingot]

I got the 3do logo coming up and game seems too load as normal then just a black screen.

Do you have the name of the correct bios i can find it?

[midnight estuary]

Ahhhhhhhh, what type of files are you using, I had this problem with cue/bins, then when I switched to CHD files, it began working

[dire sinew]

it will come down with update_all if you enable the bios database

[midnight estuary]

Even though the menu doesn't list .chd files, they DO INDEED WORK

[dire sinew]

Do you have cd Loading set to Yes

[zinc ingot]

Yes

[dense whale]

Just anecdotal since I have only tried one game so far. I have a bin/cue that loaded to a black screen. I thought it failed but Iet it sit for about a minute and it eventually started to play.

[dire sinew]

are you loading redump bin/cue fileks?

[slender fox]

I have this going live in YT in 4 hours. It walks you through the process in real time. I don't expect this video to get a lot of views, but I wanted to do it for the few that have dual SDRAM set ups.

[midnight estuary]

He is getting the 3DO logo, which means he probably has a good BIOS

[dire sinew]

just so you know, unstable MiSTer Main got updated this morning, so you now longer need to futz around with your INI or anything. just use the unstable

[zinc ingot]

Yes they are redump bin/cue

[unique pike]

How are you getting yours to show? My menu isn't showing any chd files

[slender fox]

Haha, too late.

[dire sinew]

as Nick mentioned, it can take a bit to load games. how long have you given it?

[slender fox]

But that's cool, I'll add a pinned comment

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/bs416.gif

[iron tundra]

Well not quite. It's missing the prominent "pixel shatter" effect of the explosions. This is likely caused by not implementing the "don't fill" mode bit in the Cel Engine.

[slender fox]

Video is in the cloud now

[dire sinew]

but it's not live for 4 hours

[slender fox]

So @dire sinew, so just grab latest unstable, and no ini lines?

[dire sinew]

just update to unstable main #unstable-nightlies message

no ini changes needed

[slender fox]

Thanks.

[zinc ingot]

2 minutes

[slender fox]

I'll have to completely redo it, or cancel it, if I don't have time.

[unique pike]

I hadnt updated to unstable main

[slender fox]

I'm gonna go with the latest. I like that Saturn no reset update
#unstable-nightlies message

[dire sinew]

yup yup, that will work

meant to link that one

[marble jetty]

Ok thank you!

[west forum]

Dual RAM Only 🙁

[ionic plank]

for now

[marble jetty]

pins updated

Ok cleaned up the Download Core pin to make it more obvious it’s dual ram only

[dull knot]

Can we have the md5 and common name for the bios here?

I don’t use update_all as I find it too invasive

Thanks in advance 😌

[grim goblet]

panafz1.bin f47264dd47fe30f73ab3c010015c155b

[cedar dome]

Can the Memtest utility test dual ram?