Panasonic 3DO

[ashen palm]

Thankful that FPGAs are at the point where we can keep these leaky, cheap component filled, and very important boards preserved.

[verbal fjord]

oh interesting

[covert wagon]

the question is are we talking human observable differences or mathmatical like we see on stuff like PSX core and single ram

[gaunt imp]

Bummer. I’m guessing the inaccuracy will be unnoticeable though. Sort of like PlayStation’s sound inaccuracy or N64s overall speed.

[covert wagon]

lol copycat

[gaunt imp]

Yeah, exactly.

I’m optimistic that it will be a non issue for end users.

[turbid glade]

Fifth generation push the limit of the MiSTer but it is like MiST that core will behave more accurate on MiSTer regarding the specs
It will be the same with the next hardware

[modern gate]

it was once said that N64 on the MiSTer was impossible. It's possible that something will be discovered to allow greater accuracy of the 3DO core

HYPE

30 FPS action! 500 megs!

with some shade thrown at Street Fighter oooo

[verbal fjord]

wow, a Naughty Dog fighting game

ah, and it's post Mortal Kombat. I was wondering

[ashen palm]

Whatever man! Ultra Vortek is waaaayyy better on my Jaguar! There's a secret poopality!

[karmic basin]

Don’t forget the all White Zombie soundtrack.

[marble jetty]

It’s impossible until someone knows how to get it done.

[sharp pendant]

Will be interesting to see if this core is going to need dual ram

[ashen palm]

is an extra 32mb all you typically need for the dual ram cores?

[karmic mantle]

@ashen palm yes

[narrow gulch]

This game and many others desperately need a turbo mode on the core.

I thought that was what was being showed off at the beginning of the video, he runs the 240p calibration suite to show it is outputting 240p properly.

[ashen palm]

cool - good catch!

[sharp pendant]

If you want dual ram and have an old 32MB stick lying around then chuck that in slot B, but if you are buying a stick to go dual ram go 128MB. There could be performance benefits from using that design of ram. Taki ram is really cheap now as well.

[covert wagon]

Things you said to women in college for $1000 Alex

[modern gate]

I remember being so excited for SSFT2 on 3DO as a kid because it had Akuma

I was hoping my well off friend was going to get one 😂

[marble jetty]

AND I GIT R DUUUUN

[real rapids]

And I had one! My friend across the street also had one! Everyone had a 3DO growing up but you and your friend!

[marble jetty]

@distant grove + @covert wagon what are your thoughts on someone like me who will finally play 3DO thanks to this core?

I mean I played demo units back in the day but that doesn’t count.

[real rapids]

My throughts are that you will play it, and you will like it damn it!

[tiny marsh]

He’s too nice to not like it

[marble jetty]

Honestly, something has to be pretty bad for me not to like it. My brain is wired to find the good or value in everything.

[modern gate]

lol oh no Robby now you've done it

[tiny marsh]

That’s why we’re friends ❤️

[marble jetty]

Like the CD-I. It went from being a joke console with awful games and now that I’ve played the core I find the console absolutely fascinating, I absolutely get how it was positioned, and honestly some of the games have a lot of charm in that multimedia way. My youngest had fun with the kid games too, pretty cool platform.

[tiny marsh]

The consoles and their games are ultimately entertainment products, so it’s not surprising that there’ll be some fun to be had in there. I guess it’s just a question of what you’d rather spend your money on if you were a customer at the time

That’s basically what ended up causing things to be a flop vs hit

And sometimes it’s just in the marketing

[marble jetty]

Yeah, that last point is really salient. It’s hard for me to dislike something when someone poured their passion into making it and I’m given it for free.

I have a tangent of a question but I don’t want to interrupt.

[tiny marsh]

Interrupting who? I’m finished on my soapbox 😄

[marble jetty]

Is there a 3DO controller to PC adapter that’s available to purchase?

[sharp pendant]

It has a tasty version of Wolfenstein, often considered the best version of the game

[little scroll]

I never had a 3do. From what I've seen trusty ol' reliable m30 should be an authentic enough controller for it right?

[modern gate]

Lets see what else issue 61 of EGM says from August 1994

[covert wagon]

my thoughts on you are that your parents fed you a steady diet of lead paint chips as a baby

[modern gate]

one more and I'll lay off for several hours

[fast pebble]

that did not age well

[covert wagon]

@marble jetty really is one of a kind

[sharp pendant]

Wondering if there are any parts in 3DO that could be used in making other systems, haven't dug into the hardware, wonder if it opens the door for anything else

[covert wagon]

not much minus the ARM60 and whatever else that would aid

Madam and Clio are bespoke to 3DO. Or Anvil when they did it that way. The rest is just RAM and DAC shit

[modern gate]

I wish I could have gone to one of those 3DO promotional events they refer to. That would be a fun memory

[tribal sandal]

Raphnet do a usb adapter but it’s out of stock I believe

[signal herald]

maybe newer acorn computers? I don’t know much about that line

[covert wagon]

maybe a few of the ARM bits would be useful to DS @sharp pendant but I am presuming that just because "hey both ARM"

[signal herald]

does the gba have a more powerful arm than the 3do?

[covert wagon]

Only the right arm. It gets lonely at night

I don't know enough about ARM to really say much more than "they both have ARM"

[signal herald]

Is that why Robby is always flexing?

[marble jetty]

Man, can’t even ask a question in MiSTer Discord.

I’m creating my own FPGA console and it’ll have its own Discord and none of you are invited!!!

[little scroll]

Cruel.

[dire sinew]

the damnitrobby FPGA

[ashen palm]

DammitRobPi

[fast pebble]

He will betray 3do once something new comes out. Just like he betrayed saturn.

[little scroll]

There is a video about every 3do rpg on youtube. I will watch it to see if there are good ones.

[burnt haven]

Don't hold your breath on RPGs. People cope with Lucienne's Quest but in reality it's an average to below average RPG of its time. Not knocking those who like it of course. Just don't expect to be blown away.

[modern gate]

all.....four?

just a guess at the number

[little scroll]

It's almost 2 hours long so I guess it's a few.

[distant grove]

The PSU caps and ram caps will leak quite often on poorly stored 3do systems.

[dense remnant]

Yep... and I was that 1 blithering idiot (who paid $700 for it). 🤣

I should have waited.

At the time though, there was little reason to expect it to receive such drastic price reductions over a very short period of time. It was the next big thing, after all. I thought that was simply going to be the new normal, so I pulled the trigger.
Ultimately I didn't regret purchasing it, but I do wish I had spent less.

[marble jetty]

Anyone care if I rename this from “The 3DO” to just “3DO” ?

Am I being silly?

[dire sinew]

I say do it

[sinful cliff]

Do it for consistency sake.

[dire sinew]

Either 3DO or Panasonic 3DO

[marble jetty]

3DO

[dire sinew]

As the channels use either of those

[undone hatch]

Or...rename everything else with "The" infront

The Atari Jaguar, has a ring to it doesn't it?

[modern gate]

No it should be Lucky Goldstar 3DO

[cobalt zephyr]

Dumb question but does dual SDRAM solve this?

[cobalt zephyr]

You're the well off friend now!

[cobalt zephyr]

Thank God

It was that or add "The" to literally every other channel

[modern gate]

Indeed! This friend actually fell down a flight of stairs and it changed his personality 😳

[young sluice]

Shouldn't it be "That 3DO core"?

[tribal sandal]

I think Srg320 put a P in front of 3DO, so it probably should be renamed to that

[dire sinew]

I love SRG

[sharp pendant]

We were musing behind the scenes why it is called P3DO, and it is probably that you can't start a file name with a number

[dire sinew]

and he spells it Disk

[sharp pendant]

Funny, he missed changing that when it was fixed for Saturn and Mega CD

[modern gate]

Can't start a file with a number? Huh?

Compact disk
Floppy disc

[ember seal]

P3DO a C3PO reference ?

[turbid glade]

SRG320 could respond to it ...

[sharp pendant]

It may be MiSTer needs rbf files, or some other file, to not start with a number for some reason, why we have S32X and ao486

[dense remnant]

#PanasonicSanyoGoldstar3DO 😉

[cobalt zephyr]

You might be onto something g

[ember seal]

4do

[undone hatch]

Uh....nooooo....

It's often used to spell something else online when your are trying to avoid auto-censor's (such as facebooks)

[marble sandal]

No coz goldstar exists too .lol

[silent oak]

EA3DO

It's essentially an Electronic Arts console

[undone hatch]

I'm ready

[dire sinew]

we don’t recognize gold star in this house

[marble sandal]

That I can't argue with .lol

[silent oak]

Life's Great

[tribal sandal]

That must be it, maybe he should call it REAL3DO if that’s the case

[sharp pendant]

The names.txt will just change the name anyway, presumably to just 3DO, so not too much of an issue

[modern gate]

TH3DO

[marble sandal]

I always edit my names txt the way I want it and just turn off updates for it.

[tribal sandal]

We’re is the names txt located? I have never used it

[dense remnant]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/names.txt

[fickle finch]

3DO. I only like 5 games of the console, and it's for that I have the console.

[marble sandal]

In the root of your sd card where mister and mister.ini is located

[fossil sorrel]

Threedeeoh

[silent oak]

I feel weird because as a kid all I knew about 3DO is that they published Heroes of Might and Magic IV

Yeah they went Sega too before imploding

[dire sinew]

👀 https://github.com/srg320/3DO_hw 👀

[covert wagon]

ooh fun

not a core but something

[dire sinew]

yeah

he has one of those for saturn too

ithasbegun.gif

[tribal sandal]

I have 4 😁

[warm kiln]

Honestly, I never thought we’d see 3DO & CD-i cores before the Virtual Boy.

I’m glad we are, though - between disc rot & the CD mechanisms reaching end-of-life, it’s great to have these systems preserved & documented on a hardware level.

[mortal mulch]

I'm interested to see this. I know very little about the console

[surreal adder]

Same reason ive been selling off most of my non-nostalgic collection of games. I dont want to be pissed when games start rotting.

[empty valley]

Yeah it's awesome. I have no doubt we'll get Virtual Boy someday too, bc I mean even though it's still a small library it's Nintendo

[distant grove]

It wouldn't

One sec.

[cobalt zephyr]

Way to dash my dreams!

[distant grove]

The problem with the Vram, is the latency. It's an extremely fast function on 3do and if it's not exact, the timing will be fucked and inaccurate. Trapexit said in the 3do server that it's likely the Vram will have to share the FPGA with the rest of the chips that need to be emulated

[cobalt zephyr]

Ahh the sdram isn't fast enough?

[dire sinew]

oh good, the most boring argument on the internet

[distant grove]

Trying to locate the specification on how fast the framebuffer stuff is. I'll have to go dig in the patents later when I get a moment.

[sinful cliff]

Browsing the 3DO library and I'm actually surprised by the amount of Japanese only releases. There are even some Korea only releases too.

[distant grove]

Either way, excited to see this happening. Hopefully it gets to a point where it plays most games

[distant grove]

A few of my favorite Japanese only games are Ultraman, Yu Yu Hakusho, sailor moon, and doctor Hauser (English translation patch available). Korea has Firewall, Armageddon, battle blues, and eye of typhoon

[covert wagon]

What we always find is it ends up working outside of some measurable data point this is measurable if you check but not observable if you just play

[distant grove]

Well, that's the desirable outcome. Mortal Kombat 2, way of the warrior, and anything with a SPORT background makes heavy use of the framebuffer and it's low latency. So fingers crossed

[tiny marsh]

I don’t get why putting the frame buffers in the FPGA memory is somehow bad and like a HLE trick? It’s still memory, just separated differently (for performance reasons)

Feels to me like an incredibly academic argument about a very specific implementation detail

[covert wagon]

There have been so many creative pivots on the DE10 nano hardware and how it works and shifting components of cores to diff areas and running things “creatively”

[covert wagon]

Trap it is very academic about 3DO. He’s a good dude though

[tiny marsh]

You’re recreating something in something else - you don’t have to put all the bits in the same place, as long as the behaviour is the same

And this is what srg320 believes is the best way to get the closest possible behaviour given the limitations of the DE10

[covert wagon]

Yes. Nobody cares in the end where memory address is or what chip that address resides on. It’s how it works in the end

[distant grove]

I don't think he's saying it's bad. Being that he is the author of Opera on retroarch, he has doubts it will be as accurate on a high level as it needs to be. At the end of the day, separating the framebuffer from the Vram im sure is a hard move.

[tiny marsh]

I guess at the end of the day, all we can do is wait and see how it turns out. srg320 is an experienced developer so I’m sure this is what he thinks gives the highest chance of success

[undone hatch]

As long as plumbers don't wear ties runs in its full glory we good then?

[wary stirrup]

You can use MisterAddons Reflex Adapt with the Genesis controller adapter. You can daisy chain more than one 3DO controllers.

[distant grove]

@marble jetty IDK if it's still made but there is a 3do to USB device. Came from a guy up in Canada. I have one for my PC. Didn't see that question earlier

[distant grove]

Yeah, which is why I have high hopes for the core. Experienced FPGA dev and the 2nd most knowledgeable 3do dev communicating is a good thing

More said in those two sentences than the last 3 years of "no documentation" "not interested" "no one knows anything"

[warm kiln]

This is mildly irrelevant to this thread, but do you know if the SNACX works between a ColecoVision controller and a MiSTer with the Genesis adapter?

Atari, SEGA, and Coleco also all used that same 9-pin port.

[modern gate]

It will probably be the first game I try 😄

[static magnet]

and Zhadnost: the Peoples Party

[marble sandal]

Ive found that these slightly off foga cores still feel much better than their software counterparts .

[modern gate]

it's not emulation, it's FPGA
(I am kidding!)

[marble sandal]

Nothing against software emulation..just saying by nature even a not so perfect fpga can still be more accurate than the best software emulator.

[modern gate]

I could be out of the loop but I thought that people who into emulation via FPGA were more concerned with accuracy than software emulators who just want to make shit work

[distant grove]

Well, here in a few days I'm mailing off the 3 main chips for the 3do to be scanned. We have scans of Anvil, but not arm or madam and Clio by themselves if I recall. So I'll be looking forward to that

[modern gate]

now maybe I'm just thinking of emulators of 15-20 years ago.

[marble sandal]

I think you are right but I think we have learned that it doesn't have to be perfect to be enjoyable. I mean the single ram psx core isnt 100% accurate nor is the n64 core. Can you really tell that they are not tho?

[modern gate]

oh god no, haha I can't tell

but I really love the fact that the devs strive for accuracy. That's what will make me go with MiSTer over other choices

[timid osprey]

Well, at least we have the expectation from the beginning

[marble sandal]

Me too but Id rather them have to cheese it a bit than not have a core at all.

[modern gate]

yeah I would agree with you

[modern gate]

HYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE

wait.... did I already share an ad for Gridders? A different one?

[distant grove]

Gridders is pretty cool..

[modern gate]

oh it wasn't the ad I shared. It was a review with some screenshots

Last one for the 3DO ad hype train tonight

just reading the fine print down there and it says you can order directly from 3DO. Could you buy a Genesis and SNES directly from NOA at the time?

also this ad let me know about Demolition Man for 3DO. That's going to be played on day 1 for sure

[distant grove]

Super fun game. Better with a light gun though

[modern gate]

it can be played with light gun!? oh man!

I'll have that capability in another week or so

[distant grove]

Yes

It's a multi-genre game though, fair warning

[dull knot]

single ram core wen

[sharp pendant]

Is amazing work that he is getting this running so well at all. The one thing that is silver lining for when we see these compromises being made to get these 5th gen systems working on the DE-10 Nano, is in the future when there a new board, these issues will likely not exist. Then in say a decade it will all be moot.

[karmic mantle]

@sharp pendant exactly!! They’re laying the groundwork so we can get super duper accuracy down the road

[distant grove]

Yeah the fact that it boots beyond the bios is great

[marble jetty]

This is going o be such an amazing core.

If SRG is behind it, it'll probably be the best way to play 3DO outside of original hardware if the Saturn core is any indication

[covert wagon]

Please. Better than real hardware

Or else how can I get everyone spicy on YT 🤣

[marble jetty]

I’m genuinely excited. Lots of cool games on the 3DO and it looks like lots of cool homebrew too

[little scroll]

Homebrew is very important to keep MVG happy.

[marble jetty]

I need to read the comments on your recent videos

[covert wagon]

They’ve mostly been fine. There was an angry streak there in December but the holidays get all the fringe people fringier

[distant grove]

Mvg the YouTuber?

[little scroll]

Yes. He made a video recently on "why N64 emulation is still busted in 2025" and when he mentioned the mister core his singular complaint was that it doesn't run libdragon homebrew.

[marble sandal]

Id be happy just to be able to play need for speed and super wing commander on mister

I know my bar is set low..

[sharp pendant]

I thought N64 core had libdragon support, is it missing parts of it?

[distant grove]

Oh you mean on a general note. I was gonna say hes only done like one 3do video that had some crazy inaccurate statements on the hardware and that's it.

As far as what you're talking about, we have a dev in 3do who wrote some new asm math functions for the coprocessor. It will probably have some issues with the initial 3do core too

[marble jetty]

Nope, MVG was wrong

Libdragon support has been in the core for a year now

[little scroll]

Seriously? ||what a clown||

[distant grove]

He might have just framed his statement wrong, unless it was quite point blank/blatant

[marble jetty]

It was quite point blank/blatant

[distant grove]

Ah ok. Then he should probably pay more attention

[marble jetty]

Yup

[distant grove]

I've found that most YouTubers can't frame statements or context worth a shit

[marble jetty]

Its ok, he’ll get it right

[little scroll]

As soon as n64 emulation isn't busted anymore in 2030 and it fits his clickbait title you mean?

[distant grove]

Imo he's one of the least sensationalizing/clickbait retro gaming YouTubers out of the bunch

[marble sandal]

Youtubers like MVG dont care about framing or context they care about views and that bottom line

[distant grove]

On the 3do reddit there's been several instances of people repeating shit from lady decade videos. Instant headache

[marble sandal]

I cant stand her..

[distant grove]

Tophat writes the scripts lol silly couple

[karmic basin]

Isn’t she the one who put out a video begging viewers for money to cover a $500 home repair, while standing in front of games worth thousands?

[little scroll]

Only youtuber I trust to tell the truth is @covert wagon since I can give him shit here when he's blatantly wrong.

[karmic basin]

Only thing he lies about is his true feelings for Robby

[dense remnant]

'Impossible' ports make MVG happy. 😉

[distant grove]

Yes lol

But it wasn't a home repair

She was asking for $500 to cover a legal fee for using someone's image

[little scroll]

He has the mindset of a rich man. Why spent his wealth when he can spent yours?

[distant grove]

Is it as bad as metal Jesus asking viewers for $60k to turn an RV into a mobile arcade for "national tours"

[little scroll]

I feel like I should make a yt channel where I beg for money to buy cheese.

[marble sandal]

Another YouTuber that gets on my nerves for his whining is RGT 85

[covert wagon]

And I can tell you to kiss my ass 🤣

[little scroll]

That's what your mom also said.

[covert wagon]

Weak. 3/10

I’d have gone with “I wouldn’t use the same mouth I use to kiss your mother with”

[marble jetty]

I think YouTubers try their best and sometimes they get things wrong like everyone else. Best you can do is respectfully inform them.

[little scroll]

It's how the rimjob meme started. Don't tell Robby though.

[covert wagon]

Charcoal is better than propane

Argue that Texas man!

[marble jetty]

But at the end of the day MVG mentioned the MiSTer and that’s always a huge positive.

[marble jetty]

||I use charcoal in my grill lol||

[distant grove]

My favorite time on retro YouTube was when every YouTuber was extremely buttsore over the PS1 classic

[covert wagon]

Let’s not forget how big of thieves they are too

I’m always nice but Top Hat Gaming Man and Lady Decade have repeatedly stolen my footage with no credit. To the point I had to send a cease and desist and threaten legal action

[little scroll]

Not holding media to account and expecting standards of truth is the modern way.

[covert wagon]

People get weird. Factually wrong statements are one thing. I accidentally said “bubble bobble” not “puzzle bobble” in yesterdays 3DO vid because damn it it’s easy to do that and I had a four paragraph message in Reddit about it basically saying I’m the worst thing to ever happen to gaming since I said the wrong title 🤣

I replied back “but bubble go bobble?”

[distant grove]

Should rename their channels to Video Game Esoterica 2

With as much of your footage they have

Bubble bobble, puzzle bobble, Bust a move

Should have called it bust a move

[covert wagon]

Bust a Nut: 3DO edition

And with that I’m going to lie down and watch Futurama with my wife 🤣

[little scroll]

That sounds like a game like vivid dolls.

[covert wagon]

Plumbers Don’t Wear Bubbles. My new homebrew. Coming this year

[sturdy lintel]

Plumbers Don't Wear Ties is what the 3DO was meant for

[marble sandal]

@covert wagon well I really respect that I can look at your video images and know exactly what the video is about. No click bait. Alot of youtube video images from others may or may not have anything to do with the actual video .lol

[covert wagon]

That drives me nuts. So I make it obvious

I’ll admit if there’s a “hot gaming girl” piece of art I 100% put it in the thumb. Because you’d be an idiot not to haha

[distant grove]

Remember that 3do video where tophat put a hentai chunli on the thumbnail lol

[marble sandal]

I think hot gamer girls are the only acceptable form of click bait..lol

[modern gate]

You don't accept hot 3DO click bait?

[distant grove]

Any form of hypersexualization of a subject is degenerate ready

[marble sandal]

Nothing misleading just eye candy

[marble jetty]

No I mean do educate them but to do it respectfully.

[silent oak]

Ngl I detest "hot chicks" on thumbnails but I am queer like that

[modern gate]

The algorithm has me figured out. FB reels, and YT shorts almost always show me two sexualized recommended video per row.

[marble jetty]

I get it but you don’t over play it. St1ka who has a great channel just goes overboard with it. Not a fan lol.

[hidden jungle]

Goonerbaiting is a huge market.

[modern gate]

I remember when the N64 was going through its testing period and we all were celebrating the new features almost daily at some points. I am looking forward to the 3DO equivalent

[signal herald]

Haha, no kidding. His thumbnails are a distinct outlier from all the other ones of old dudes with circuit boards on my YouTube list

[gloomy quest]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-weve-been-here-literally-the-entire-time-you-have-gif-11486853

@real rapids

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-assemble-will-ferrell-seashell-blow-gif-20525265

3DO LOVERS!

[golden schooner]

https://youtu.be/s2brw5xHkjs?t=386

I say we rename this channel to 3 Dimensional Optics

[velvet geyser]

hear me out.

2025, the year MiSTer gets R•E•A•L

https://tenor.com/view/amirite-hadesdisney-hades-gif-5584633

[surreal adder]

https://tenor.com/view/jokehusky-husky-joke-dadjoke-lol-gif-19095985

[amber palm]

If I can sell my 3DO and Saturn this year, I can get rid of a whole Kallax shelf. Maybe move my kegerator out of storage? Expand my espresso station? srg making home renovation dreams come true over here.

[paper totem]

Same lol

[orchid lance]

I had that, the NVidia Diamond Edge 3D card. It wasn't a Saturn, it simply had some hi-res (640x480) Saturn ports.
So you couldn't simply put a Saturn game in your CD-ROM unit and play it, no way. We had Virtua Fighter Remix, Panzer Dragoon, and some other games that supported acceleration like Toshinden and some ugly Daytona-style racer that ran better without the card.

[ember seal]

that card actually rendered quads like a saturn iirc

[orchid lance]

Yes it did. But ... three games.... 50.000 pesetas (in Spain) back in 1996... It was a scam.
50.000 pesetas = ~300 Euros

[ember seal]

well, if you still have it today its quite valuable 🙂 good as an investment

[orchid lance]

Nah, threw in in the bin like two decades ago.
And I am against speculation. I would have donated it to someone for reverse-engineering or to a museum. But I'd prefer to destroy it than to speculate.

[azure quiver]

https://x.com/_trapexit/status/1879880140999778734?s=46&t=j33yLl8p3dP1uKNH2get5Q

trapexit (@_trapexit) on X

@srg320_ There are really only 2 modes. 480i from a 320x240 buffer and 480i from a 320x480 buffer.

The latter is, afaik, never used in any retail titles. It is really only useful for still images. I can build you an example app if you like. Bit 19 on the CLUT DMA Control Word in VLDP.

X · Jan 16, 2025, 1:15 PM

Don’t know if this has been shared

[covert wagon]

Haha I try and keep it tasteful

I’ve done the math and it lists views 15-20%

[mossy kernel]

If it means that someone gets to create a standalone 3DO emulator, then so be it.

[covert wagon]

Me too. Even more so this time

[gloomy quest]

How dare you criticize my homie ST1KA!

[left lava]

Lol the slander

[covert wagon]

I dont blame anyone for doing what they need to do to get ahead with the thumbnails so long as its not horrifying

[sinful cliff]

I stopped watching his videos for the simple fact that his thumbnails were really annoying with the blatant sex baiting.

[covert wagon]

YT is weird

I have a Lucky & Wild video blow up....because there was a woman in a cat tail. That's it. Suddenly its the second highest watched "Unported Playlist" episode ever

[sinful cliff]

YouTube algorithm makes no sense.

[covert wagon]

its like the tamest thumb ever and that tail just hit a "new audience"

so from a creators perspective what do you take away? More cat tails? more "ooh la la" thumbs? Random blessing of the algorithm that day? That's what's the hardest part. Every data blip can be read to mean all of the above or none of the above at the same time

every sunday night I sit down and go through all the data of the week before that week and try to identify patterns and for every answer you end up with two questions

[dense remnant]

Oooh... I thought she was just really bad at wiping.

[covert wagon]

🤣 i actually laughed out loud reading that

gottem

[tired phoenix]

exactly lol

[marble jetty]

lol cat tail like that medieval weapon?

Oh it’s a type of plant

[tiny marsh]

Always more cat everything. Just have a video about cats and watch the view count rocket!

“VGE’s top 10 video game cats”

[round tangle]

Cat o' nine tails

[marble jetty]

THANK YOU, I couldn’t remember it and it was driving my nuts

[round tangle]

It's still not what you and I were thinking though 😆

[marble jetty]

🚗🥜

[marble jetty]

I couldn’t find it in the photo lol

[ivory spoke]

What are we going to use for the official core test set of disc images?

Redump?

[tiny marsh]

Redump seems the most obvious choice

By which I mean, dumps of games that you’ve personally created from games you personally own, but verified to be correct against the redump database

[ivory spoke]

Of course. Redump is just a way to confirm you have good dumps obviously.

[modern gate]

there are some brave souls who will play test certain 3DO games until the very end to make sure of compatibility

I love that about this place

[marble sandal]

I dont need to verify my dumps they are all good...oops not that kinda dump..never mind .

[hidden jungle]

I started a thread about it.

To keep my dumps logged.

[marble sandal]

I mean if they arent logged you may have some issues

[covert wagon]

Yes. Thats what I put on my ODE

I’ve yet to hit a bad dump of a game I most obviously own in my collection

[sharp pendant]

Redump seems the way to go for testing, have put those in the testing sheet anticipating a WIP core dropping in the future.

[undone hatch]

We have exclusive video of one of those "new audience" members: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D03pxhsA37c

[sharp pendant]

I don't like that redump is just an unsorted jumble with everything unsorted into folders for different regions etc. but their dumps are consistently reliable. Maybe a better organised pack using the redump files will appear that will make testing and general user experience better...

[paper totem]

A turbo 3DO core would be insane. Wing Commander 3 on a turbo core might actually be good. The 3DO version is different to the Playstation AND PC versions. I was pretty disappointed when I loaded WC3 on my FZ-1 the first time because the framerate was super low.

[covert wagon]

Yes their organization is basically “fuck it good enough k thx”

[final grail]

its not a hand holding collection. Its a dump collection per region

nothing stopping you writing a script to rearange the files

If you cant write code, Chatgpt excels at simple things like that

[undone hatch]

Miss the old Smokemonster (that's who it was right?) curated packs

[dense remnant]

They're still around, just under a different name (and maintainer).

[silent oak]

And will The Horde destroy the (virtual) internal memory once again?

Oh wait, it's not a bug

Crystal Dynamics were just sheer assholes who deleted all your other saves

Yeah if there's a funny aspect of some 3DO models is that some of them don't even have basic memory management built in

[modern gate]

oh dear 😦

[silent oak]

It's the first print of The Horde that's doing it

Second print has four save slots

[distant grove]

The frame rate on wc3 is low? It's at least 30 fps lol

[silent oak]

It dips hard but I only played on Phoenix

[distant grove]

What mission? I played about 4 or 5 hours straight once and never noticed anything. That was back when my eyes were untrained to deal with older lower fps 3d titles

[silent oak]

It was like first 20-30 minutes but also in 2010-2011

[distant grove]

That game looks like it doesn't have subpixel rasterization turned on, so it makes the pixels snap around on emulator and modern displays.

[distant grove]

Hardware footage I'm watching has no frame dropping even with the two big cruiser ships on screen. He said he played it on a 3do, so I'm curious to hear where he says now

[silent oak]

Okay yeah then it was just software emu then

[distant grove]

The lasers when shooting don't scale smoothly. Which, I'm sure can feel jarring with the pixel snapping issue. No frame drops though, cause the rest of the game is pacing fine

@silent oak here is a demo showing the pixel thing I'm referring to.

Ah damn it hold on

Pay attention to the edge of the track. This a WIP port of wipeout for 3do

First clip is with sub pixel rasterization, second clip is without

Even at 30fps, that pixel snapping is ugly as sin. Return fire on the PS1 has pixel snapping, and it's 30fps looks jarring compared to the 3do's frame dips on the same title, just because the 3do versions pixels don't snap

[real rapids]

I've only ever played the 3DO version of Return Fire.

[distant grove]

The PS1 version has the content from both 3do discs (the original and the add on maps) if I recall. But playing it on a 3do is just much better

[fast pebble]

unsure if with is just smoother due to framerate or that wipeout example just lets without look like running at a lesser framerate.

[distant grove]

Both clips are 30 fps, as is the game

[cedar wedge]

I wrote some PowerShell scripts to organize Redump and No-Intro sets. They’ve come in handy for me for this exact reason. If you’re on Windows and want to give them a try, please consider them a work in progress as I may have missed some tags from Redump or No-Intro naming conventions.

https://github.com/kevh182/Rom_Organization_Scripts

[tiny marsh]

What’s the horde like? Some cool artwork

By “cool” I mean.. very camp

[modern gate]

I haven't played it before but I'm going to guess there is FMV involved

[tiny marsh]

I suspect you’re right

Crystal dynamics though! So it might be good

[modern gate]

imagine being 12 in a 3DO focus group and saying "it's too !@#$% real!"

[tiny marsh]

That’s so 90s 😅

100% fun motion video too!

[modern gate]

I first saw FMV games with Sega CD and I was 7 or 8 years old. My mind was blown away

one more for the evening

bits were everything back then

this ain't no 386 you're playin with here - it's a 3DO! 32 bits man!

[dense remnant]

(386 is 32-bit, too 😏 )

[fossil sorrel]

These ads are awesome.

[distant grove]

Nah

[distant grove]

It's a build and defend type game. So you build up your village and set traps for hordes of monsters. You have to defend your village from each wave

[distant grove]

https://archive3do.com/ads-flyers-and-everything-in-between-2/

[modern gate]

crap I am so used to dealing with my 386SX's lol I actually don't have a plain ol' 386 I don't think

[tiny marsh]

That sounds like it could be fun 🙂

[distant grove]

It is if you're into those types of games

[bold birch]

Speaking of ads, these 2 always stuck with me back in the day

[burnt haven]

Looking forward to comparing 3DO Sewer Shark to SGCD Sewer Shark!

[burnt haven]

For me it was always the one where the SNES and Genesis get tossed in the toy box.

[marble jetty]

Aren’t all the fmv games best on 3DO?

[silent oak]

hot competition with LaserActive

[marble jetty]

Oh yeah I forgot about LaserActive

I played some fmv shooter on it where you flew through a pyramid. That was insane at the time.

[silent oak]

surprisingly the pyramid is important distinction because 90% of LA games is a shooter with laserdisc background

https://youtu.be/lap39N4YrN4?t=296 timestamped

[marble jetty]

Yeah! I had fun playing it at the store.

[silent oak]

the most baffling thing about LaserActive is that it doesn't have Dragon's Lair and Space Ace on it

both games that DEFINED laserdisc hardware in arcades

[dense remnant]

They also defined 'unreliability'. 😏

3DO Dragon's Lair was one of the couple dozen games I had... and just like Super Street Fighter II Turbo, it was the best home port of that game yet.

Loved it.

[paper totem]

3do dragons lair vs c64 is hilarious

[silent oak]

C64 version versus GBC, who wins?!

[little scroll]

So what are the signature games on 3do? The super mario land, ocarina of time, metroid prime type of landmark 3do exclusives?

[silent oak]

-# plumbers don't wear ties

I am afraid most signature games got ported to PS1

Like Need for Speed, Gex, Return Fire

Way of the Warrior didn't

[little scroll]

I generally prefer the originals over ports, I prefer the sega cd version of lunar to the psx one.

All I know about 3do is that it's better than cdi, that's what always gets mentioned 😅

[silent oak]

Killing Time is one of the greats even if it looks simplistic compared to later PC version

Doctor Hauzer is a unique pre-RE horror game

Total Eclipse is a fun spess shooter and is infinitely more playable than the later PS1 port that runs at clownspeed

Lucienne's Quest, Slayer, Twisted and Жаднос Zhadnost

Super Wing Commander is an interesting remake of the first game, and WC3 has best quality FMVs despite the gameplay being kinda dumbed down

[little scroll]

Thank you, I'll check those games out when the core is ready for them.

[silent oak]

There's also interesting version of Another World that replaced bitmap backgrounds for paints

It's kinda cute

[orchid lance]

I prefer the original vector-based backgrouns any day of the week, really

[fickle finch]

very bad version

[unkempt ferry]

64 by a mile for DL2 with Rob Hubbards music.

[tribal sandal]

I enjoyed the demo of it back in the day, better than the snes port

[ashen palm]

Star Control 2

[distant grove]

"very bad" is a stretch

[round tangle]

Sam sho isn't a very bad game

It's a bad game!

[vapid swallow]

Just dropping into show support for SRG, super excited about this core. Played his latest Saturn build last night until around 3am, SF Alpha is so damn good.

[modern gate]

I'd rather have a Samurai Pizza Cats Showdown

[dense remnant]

I was already 'that guy', living in the dorms when I was in the Air Force back in the early '90s... one of the only ones who actually had a proper entertainment center, with a 27" Trinitron and Pioneer VSX-9900S AV receiver with Dolby Pro Logic surround sound. I always had several game consoles ready to go at any moment, and my room was a regular hangout for Street Fighter II 'tournaments'.

Several of the residents were already impressed enough when I'd show them various Sega CD games... but when I bought the Panasonic FZ-1 and set it up for the first time, so many of them were simply amazed. The price placed it severely out of reach for the vast majority of them, so they lived vicariously through me for a while. I'll always fondly remember those early reactions back then... including my own.

[marble jetty]

Thank you for your service, sir! 🫡

[dense remnant]

Aww 🙂

Thanks Robby.

[covert wagon]

and I thank you for your service for fighting in the Great Propane Wars of the 90s

[marble jetty]

I won’t get into it but I have massive respect for people who devote their time and put their lives on the line for all of us.

Sorry for being sappy lol

[dense remnant]

It was one of the happier and more interesting phases of my life. Lots of great experiences and memories.

[covert wagon]

"In 1996 General Robert E. Hill led a batallion of the West Texas Propane Riders to Charcoal Hill where he bravely led his troops against Big Coal, finally vanquishing the scourge of Charcoal and winning the right for Texans everywhere to use clean, even burning fuel for their grills"

[dense remnant]

"To this day, you can still smell the remnants of the smoldering embers..."

[marble jetty]

Err I meant I won’t keep distracting the chat loool

My bad

[dense remnant]

Too late!

[marble jetty]

3DO sucks

[dense remnant]

👀

[marble jetty]

I mean 3DO is awesome

[covert wagon]

"the turning point was when the West Texas Riders realized shooting propane canisters created an explosive effect where the Charcoal Gang realized shooting charcoal was ineffective at best"

[marble jetty]

Ops autocorrect

[covert wagon]

a celebratory video game was made to accurately represent the battles of the great propane wars in honor of their victory

[ashen palm]

Also be sure to check out Mass Destruction on the Saturn. A spiritual successor to Return Fire

[vapid swallow]

ooo never knew that

I have the Saturn core open right now have to check it out.

[marble jetty]

Yeah it’s great! Runs way better than PS1 too.

The VDP infinite plane feature is so brilliant

[fast pebble]

until things just begin to look like they are floating

[warm kiln]

I’ve been curious about Demolition Man for quite a while - Sylvester Stallone actually shot unique footage exclusively for that game on the 3DO.

[chilly gale]

I can't wait to get a 3DO core. I can finally sell the 3 boxed 3DO consoles I own!

[dense remnant]

I'll never get rid of my first one. Too much sentimental value like several other consoles I'll never get rid of.
...but I still very much want a 3DO core. 😉

[empty valley]

I think 3DO is definitely the most underrated console ever. It gets lumped in with the Virtual Boy, 32X, and Atari Jaguar as sort of an early 5th gen system that most people passed on, but those consoles have very limited libraries compared to the ~300 3DO games

[ember seal]

tbh i had no idea there were 300 games

i'd of guessed 13

anyone got a good top 10 for the pins?

[empty valley]

This is a rough list of all the games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JS3lM4FaE

[chilly gale]

The FZ-1 model was the original and best. I have two of those and a later crappy Goldstar model that ditched the s-video and doesn't read cdr.

[dense remnant]

I only have two FZ-1 models... my original, and the one my brother bought a few months after I did.

[empty valley]

I like the Video Game Critic's reviews. He's reviewed a lot of 3DO games:
https://videogamecritic.com/3do.htm?e=63652

You can click the Grade column to sort by highest rated games fyi

[chilly gale]

I like Demolition Man and Way of the Warrior on the 3DO. I know I'm f*cking weird.

[empty valley]

I like some good jank myself! BTW, the Video Game Critic gave Killing Time an F rating. @covert wagon lol https://videogamecritic.com/3dogl.htm?e=31966#rev22

His readers gave it a B though. He besmirched your favorite game lol

Tbh, I look forward to playing Killing Time. Looks very unique

[final grail]

well if you like jank the 3DO is the console for you

[real rapids]

The GBC version is actually super impressive!

[covert wagon]

Man has no taste

[ivory spoke]

I think Twisted was a fun game.

[distant grove]

WOTW has a crazy learning curve. I like it

It's funny watching YouTubers struggle on that game

[chilly gale]

I like but I like Kasumi Ninja on the jag too

[distant grove]

I've never played it to say if it gets a pass or not

[covert wagon]

Demolition man is fun

I have a vid soonish. Did an FMV series

[empty valley]

Isn't Demolition Man on the 3DO like a mixture of FMV, light gun shooting and action segments? Pretty innovative

[cobalt zephyr]

@golden schooner this looks goofy lol

[golden schooner]

oh yeah, that is bad

[cobalt zephyr]

like what can I do

[gaunt imp]

Put a blue Misterkun where that blue shape is and keep the text whatever the regular normal text is.

[golden schooner]

DE10

[cobalt zephyr]

maybe

If I resize the box is it better? lol

[chilly gale]

I believe you have it surrounded

[modern gate]

Imagine if people cared enough to make their own 3DO console. One with blackjack and hookers... Errr.... Component video and 4x optical drive

I'm only saying that because different companies were able to make a 3DO. It was like a VCR right

[chilly gale]

The tech was open to anyone

[modern gate]

You had to license it though right

[warm kiln]

Yeah. 3DO wanted to make an open technology standard that multiple companies could follow, the same as Philips with their CD-i standard. Manufacturers would pay the company who made it a small licensing fee, then manufacture the hardware themselves.

The problem is that the video game industry moved fast enough that the tech was always going obsolete, meaning that standards were always out of date. Moreover, not subsidizing the console with game costs meant that it was almost impossible to get prices down, leading the 3DO to be quite expensive on launch (something it never completely recovered from, given it also only launched with a single title).

It’s only relatively recently that we’ve seen universal hardware standards start to succeed with the PC ecosystem, and that required completely redefining the model with modular incremental hardware & digital game sales.

[ivory spoke]

The tech explosion of the 90s was really insane in hindsight. I was too young at the time to appreciate things wouldn't move that fast forever.

[modern gate]

Jaguar man... Creating the bit wars

[ivory spoke]

It was only 10 years between playing Battletoads brand new on NES and Halo on Xbox.

[modern gate]

Only 4 years between Super Mario Bros 3 and Plumbers Don't Wear Ties. An amazing time to be alive for sure

[chilly gale]

except for the weird mario game

[distant grove]

Digitized graphics, only FMV cutscenes

[chilly gale]

nostalgia is sucking me into the Plumbers tie game..help!

[distant grove]

Difference is that Phillips manufactured their own CDi systems. 3do did not. Phillips business model is more comparable to Sega Saturn.

[warm kiln]

True, but other companies did manufacture CD-i systems (Sony, LG, Goldstar, Kyocera, etc.). And Panasonic definitely took over the role as the lead hardware manufacturer for the 3DO project, also building the hardware behind most of the M2 prototypes.

Given that the CD-i hardware also sold for quite infamously high prices, I haven’t seen any reason to suspect that Philips subsidized their hardware cost with their software. If they did, I’d be happy to be proven wrong, but I haven’t seen any evidence of that in research I’ve done so far.

[distant grove]

I know, but when comparing the 3 devices Saturn is the comparable business model to CDi. Victor, Hitachi, Samsung, Sega. Which was my point really. 3do manufacturing model was completely unique, since a no single 3do system except the initial prototype on bread boards, ever came from 3do themselves. Typically companies sold their hardware designs instead of strictly licensing (the Lynx)

[distant grove]

Given the CDi wasn't focused on gaming, but a more broad market, I can only imagine their sales came from hardware. Still don't understand why anyone would have found a CDi appealing in the early 90's

[silent oak]

One of the beeg big giant biggery brain moves was mandatory upscale from native 240p to 480i

Not too bad on CRTs, a nightmare on anything else

Certain japanese models have a "mode" switch

It's too bad some games are timed for 480i

[dense remnant]

I certainly didn't... and not just because I mainly cared about gaming when I got the 3DO instead. Nothing about the CD-i kiosk was impressive to me back then.

[silent oak]

Weren't impressed by Burn Cycle, aren't you

[warm kiln]

Most of them found a niche in specific institutional installations. CD-BGM being a big one, with most background music systems being powered by a CD-i until the late 2000s.

[dense remnant]

30 years later, I can look back and respect the hardware and the variety of some of the software... but in my early 20s, nope.

[distant grove]

Because there were other plans to use the even and odd fields. It was also to stick strictly to a standard.

[silent oak]

I won't respect CMOS battery buried inside a chip case

But that's just me

[warm kiln]

Yeah, whoever came up with the Timekeeper cell to maintain saves is a moron

Especially because later CD-i systems managed to do it without a battery

[distant grove]

Yeah, and a ton of companies do that, most people just don't realize it. Phillips probably realized it wouldn't be the best consumer product, then entered the specific use case commercial sales. The CDi would have been a neat device for most education applications. I could see myself enjoying a few of the edutainment titles as a kid during school or something. Hell, kids played on Coolmath.com just to scratch their video game itch when I was in school

[warm kiln]

They actually had a whole program for CD-i systems in schools called “School 2000”, where they had more than 50 educational programs put together as a classroom package.

However, the quick growth of the multimedia PC space meant that most schools went with Macintosh & Windows computers instead when it was time to upgrade from earlier 8-bit systems. So, Philips & other publishers pivoted, and started releasing software on Mac/PC instead. (That’s why you started to see things like the PC/Mac ports of Burn:Cycle, VNC moving to Macromedia Director, etc.)

[cobalt zephyr]

boy those encyclopedias on CD were huge for a while

[golden schooner]

yeah but did you ever have the physical set that mom bought at the grocery store one book at a time?

[cobalt zephyr]

I had the kid's version lol

[dense remnant]

Oh yeah. We had a huge World Book encyclopedia set when I was a kid.

[golden schooner]

everyone was just so hyped for CDs but nothing good to put on them yet except the collective knowledge of the world.

[burnt haven]

The video looks better but the terrible Sega CD music has it's charm and nostalgia.

[distant grove]

Any FMV game y'all enjoy, it's video output is probably gonna be better on CDi. The FMV trope thing is because people thought it had dedicated decoder/encoder hardware for a while

[marble sandal]

Cd-I although Ill try other stuff it will probably be the dragon's lair core for me.

[cobalt zephyr]

How's this look

[covert wagon]

Nailed it

but make the squares VGE colors because....um...yeahhhhh

[cobalt zephyr]

I already made you one remember! lol

[distant grove]

I made @covert wagon shirt designs for his channel and he hasnt got them produced yet! 3 years! 3 years!!

[cobalt zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-prince-bling-shaking-my-head-disagreeing-gif-4274651667244225444

[modern gate]

V'GER

[cobalt zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-motion-picture-star-trek-spock-leonard-nimoy-vger-gif-3992225

[vapid swallow]

Have we heard if the 3DO will run well on single ram builds or will it require dual as well?

[golden schooner]

oh, you haven't heard?

triple ram

[real rapids]

It's just way too early to know. srg320 has only just announced that he's working on it. There's a decent chance that the early builds for testing will require dual ram, but that's pure speculation.

[vapid swallow]

Thanks, I am covered either way was just more curious than anything. 🙂

[dull knot]

That’s exactly how the Saturn core started IIRC. A video on YouTube

[hidden jungle]

Return Fire was probably THE game I knew about and legimately wanted to have from the 3DO

I was obsessed with the idea of it for a minute.

I don't remember what magazine did a write up on it. EGM, maybe?

[modern gate]

Gex was the big game I associate 3DO with

[karmic basin]

As you should

[dense remnant]

Iconic, yes... but I tend to associate the 3DO more with other games that made their first appearance on the console... like The Need for Speed.

[golden schooner]

I think you mean Road & Track Presents: The Need for Speed

[dense remnant]

Well, that was what was on the box for the only version released on the console... so, yes.

[golden schooner]

I am pretty s ure PC and PS1 had it too but maybe it got dropped for SE?

[distant grove]

My big box DOS version

[dense remnant]

I think it's funny how it actually states Not Copy Protected on the box.

[real rapids]

I think of games like Crash 'n Burn first when I think of 3DO. Mainly because it was the only game on the console when I got it at launch! Gotta love those amazing quotes from the game!

"The secret to vinning, is to never...ever make a mistake. You master that tactic, and you will always destroy your opponent!"

Sadly, Robby has not mastered that tactic. So he will never destroy his opponent.

[dense remnant]

Game was always a blast when I progressed enough to get the Dragon with the Turbo Laser.
That was practically God Mode. 🤣

[distant grove]

According to my PC collecting friend this particular variant that says this is relatively sought after. I got it because a guy listed it as a 3do game lol

[real rapids]

It was all Crash 'n Burn for me at launch! That, and replaying the Mr. Freeze episode of Batman The Animated Series over and over again. And Two Stupid Dogs.

[dense remnant]

I was right there with you. 🙂

I had the same limited options... and I never once complained.

[distant grove]

I loved two stupid dogs as a kid.

[dense remnant]

I watched that Batman episode so many times...

[distant grove]

It was a preview for a movie haha

Forgot exactly which one. One sec

Oh never mind it was an episode

I thought it was a preview for subzero

I don't know my batman shit

[dense remnant]

So I'm guessing you and I are pretty close to the same age?

[real rapids]

Maybe!

[orchid lance]

Robert Wise's Star Trek 1979 , one of my favorite sci-fi movies ever...

[gilded sky]

Thank you for this! Having a great time checking it out!

[burnt haven]

Mass Destruction on Saturn is great fun. And runs better than the PS1 version which was not common during that time!.

[distant grove]

Independence day is another one that's better on the Saturn

[burnt haven]

I'll be honest, never paid much attention to that one so I'll have to check it out for fun.

[distant grove]

https://youtu.be/c0UFsn1inps?si=39FifTApbkyz4HIU

[paper totem]

is it just me or did the PSX have better textures in that video?

[real rapids]

Jebus, the framerate difference alone is enough. It's night and day.

[gilded sky]

Framerate difference is big, but it does seem that render distance on saturn is reduced compared to ps1.

Although, otoh, the alien ship seems bigger on saturn.

[karmic basin]

vdp2 at work.

[distant grove]

I don't think its reduced much at all of it is. The demos don't fly the same elevation making one look less than the other. Another thing is it seems like maybe they are using quads on the PS1, which could be a contributing issue for the FPS, or they capped it at 25fps to keep it from dropping from 30 to 25 frequently

Either way. Saturn is fuckin smashing it there

If only all games would have played that well and looked that good on Saturn compared to their PS1 counterparts. Wipeout, destruction derby, etc...

[silent oak]

interestingly

a few years ago I binged all classic Alone in the Dark games

I don't like AitD2 as much as the other titles but the 3DO version surprised me

https://youtu.be/9I0my6k6XZQ?t=107

it has generally worse framerate but unlike PS1 and Saturn ports it has decently fast load times between camera angles

[modern gate]

I remember enjoying AITD1 on PC as a kid

my god it was a crazy to be a kid in 1995. In the same magazine you saw ads for SNES, Gameboy, and 3DO

this is the latter 😄

it is the most intense, realistic system currently known to man (December 1994)

that quote of "it's over 50 times more powerful than ordinary PCs" HMMMMMMMMMM DOUBT

[silent oak]

get real

[solid canopy]

"dozens of 3DO titles"

[modern gate]

and it was released in... checks notes.... Oct 1993

[silent oak]

it would unironically be more powerful than my regular 486 Packard Bell PC

only to be smashed by PlayStation

[empty valley]

It doesn't look great now, but Crash 'n' Burn was extremely immpressive for 1993, unfortunately Crash 'n' Burn is probably the worst possible title for the launch title of a console lol

[modern gate]

I guess I was thinking about the CPU in a vacuum. A quote from dosdays says "Mid-range PCs typically came with a clock-doubled 486DX2-50 or DX2-66, 4 or 8 MB of RAM, and a 320 MB hard disk." when referring the the average computer of 1994

and a 3DO cpu...

ARM60 32-bit RISC CPU,
a custom graphics processor with a math co-processor,
and a custom 16-bit DSP with a 20-bit ALU.
It also featured 2 megabytes (MB) of DRAM, 1 MB of VRAM,
a double speed CD-ROM drive for main CD+Gs or Photo CDs (and Video CDs with an add-on MPEG video module)

sorry, my mind is altered right now. I apologize for things

whatamIsaying I guess a 486 and a ARM60 is like comparing apples to oranges?

[cobalt zephyr]

Guys will see this and say "Hell Yeah"

[modern gate]

lol amazing

[dire sinew]

Finally.

[modern gate]

should I..... should I tell it that it got the logo completely wrong

[cobalt zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/glorious-omg-wow-wonderful-fountain-gif-20426433

[marble jetty]

Respect-o the Gecko

[modern gate]

stop playing games, Robby. Get r.e.a.l.

oh I did it. I used up my quote asking chatGPT to draw boxer briefs

[marble jetty]

I went on a 3DO bender today, picked out 60 games that all look pretty damn cool

[modern gate]

sweet

[cobalt zephyr]

I asked Bing to generate what Gex looks like in 2025 waiting for his big comeback

[marble jetty]

accurate

[silent oak]

he's a simp for vtubers now

[cobalt zephyr]

They're gonna call any day now!

[modern gate]

in raspy voice stereotypical NY accent
The console wars were $(*&! @# REAL I didn't make that up

[marble jetty]

there, finished transferring all 60 games over super slow wifi lol

I am ready for this core

[modern gate]

BIG IF TRUE

[cobalt zephyr]

I remember this

some magazine said some fighting game, maybe Way of the Warrior, controlled like shit and they wanted to try it with a different controller and so they used the SNES adapter

turns out it didn't help

[signal herald]

Yeah, just remember that doom was 93, quake didn’t come out until summer of 96, and gl quake didn’t come out until sometime after that. But even looking at 2d performance, commander keen was late 1990.

Pc gaming at the time was pretty abysmal compared to consoles.

[silent oak]

it was pretty much ruled by Epic and Apogee

I mean Duke Nukem II was pretty spectacular

[signal herald]

There were definitely good games at the time, but that was back when consoles having dedicated hardware didn’t have to try nearly as hard.

[real rapids]

Only 3DO can save you 15% or more on car insurance.

[cobalt zephyr]

It was which is why when it started picking up I didn't understand why anybody would spend thousands for commander keen type experiences when you had Mario lol

[cobalt zephyr]

It really wasn't

[silent oak]

LIES

DECEIT

at least I am not claiming Superfrog was anything special

[cobalt zephyr]

Then my buddy had a 486 and wanted to show me how awesome PC gaming was so he loaded up one of the Wing Commander games which proceeded to take 20 minutes to load

Not exaggerating

[silent oak]

well, 3DO would have pretty good offerings there

[cobalt zephyr]

And so cheap

[distant grove]

If you think you have it bad, what about the MK ports to even lower end computers? "Please insert Disk 5" when you perform a fatality

[paper totem]

I have one

It works well, I also have a snes fight stick with it.

Used to have js-1 as well but it got stolen in a home invasion. Luckily the 3do had the screws undone so the lid fell off and the console hit the floor. They abandoned it and I just put the lid back on. (Works fine). Sad about the fight stick tho.

[trail raven]

So I noticed the reflex adapter can do 3DO

but

Is it the same connector as gen?

[hybrid lotus]

I love Superfrog 🙂

[tribal sandal]

I believe someone mentioned it was the gen adapter for 3DO before

[tribal sandal]

Are your games in bin/cue format? Chd format support would be nice

[paper totem]

3DO carries Audio... can SNAC support that?

[marble jetty]

The 3DO doesn’t have a good library of games.

[dire sinew]

You are not as good at this as Tim is

[marble jetty]

It has a great library of games!!

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/5jps.gif

[marble jetty]

I spent a couple of hours yesterday looking into it and there’s all sorts of neat stuff on it

[modern gate]

My analog board is due to arrive today. I'm looking forward to using it to play Demolition Man in the future with a light gun

[marble jetty]

Hell yeah!

[modern gate]

I wonder is there a sequence with the three shells in the game? There better be

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/bmeoW.gif

[marble jetty]

I managed to put together a list of 60 games that all seemed pretty cool to me. I’m sure there’s more cool games but starting off with 60 is great.

Also damn the machine is capable

But yeah that $700 price tag really killed it

Even so, it lived quite a while and had a lot of games released for it!

Loads of interesting Japanese games too.

I think there’s only three translations out for it? Dr. Hauzer, Battle Blues, and some Mahjong game.

Oh here’s another translation I found. @covert wagon @distant grove did you know about this?

https://github.com/Eight-Mansions/Ghost-Hunters-Mask-of-the-Black-Death

[covert wagon]

I remember hearing about it. Game has wild cover art

[marble jetty]

lol “Humning Bird Soft”, what a creative name

Not being sarcastic, just in-case

[covert wagon]

I bought this game way back in the day just because the cover looked awesome

When you barely knew what games were like because the internet had zero details

[tiny marsh]

Cover art looks like something from dark souls

[distant grove]

https://controlleradapter.com/products/snes23do?srsltid=AfmBOooprxErQHmgFtu7kRrm8NGH7ZkHsamCxFHcR4pjnmM0-3j0cSsV

This also supports snes mouse to 3do mouse, and snes mouse to 3do d-pad for games that didn't have mouse support but should have (cannon fodder, syndicate, etc)

[verbal fjord]

oh wow

[fossil sorrel]

I would like to see this list!

[distant grove]

Been out for almost 3 years now

[sharp pendant]

I wonder if SNES SNAC board support could be added to the core or that wouldn't work

Obviously all academic at this point even if it could be possible, but interesting to muse on

[undone hatch]

Robby Pack's wen?

[sharp pendant]

I have seen his "pack". It is just 60 copies of a disc image named "Super Models Gone Wild". I guess he is worried he might burn through copies like Diddy goes through bottles of baby oil.

[real rapids]

Classic Robby!

[karmic basin]

@marble jetty - did ESPN Step Aerobics make your list?

I have a copy. Hidden Gem 💎

I should get my copy graded.

[distant grove]

Robby can learn how to put his foot behind his head

[undone hatch]

Wait, is the lightgun game Demolition man based on the movie with Stalone and Snipes??? Have to check that out!

awww yeah!

[silent oak]

Huh, why didn't discord embed it as readable text file inside this chat

Thanks, let's just hope the core will default to /games/3DO and not something dumb like REAL3DO

[marble jetty]

I beleive it’s P3DO

I don’t think you can have a core name start with a number.

[marble jetty]

Yeah weird, I guess it’s a mobile app limitation.

[distant grove]

It's lightgun, digitized fighter style fighting, FPS hunting sequence, a super scaler style chase sequence.

They paid Sylvester and Snipes to do the FMV cutscenes and the digitized assets.

🤑

[silent oak]

Yeah Demolition Man is all over the place

[silent oak]

Well damn

[undone hatch]

I loved the movie so gotta check this out

[marble jetty]

Demolition Man sounds like the greatest game of all time.

[distant grove]

I love it. It's just hard as fuck lol

[distant grove]

It is

It's the game of time ever

[undone hatch]

I'm imagining a timeline where we got a stand up arcade like the T2 The Arcade game but with all Demolition man assests, and I'm all here for it.

[silent oak]

Murder, death, kill constantly repeated with each shot

[undone hatch]

Secret level where you have to figure out how to use the 3 sea shells

Driving level where you have to avoid the interior filling with foam

[ember seal]

playing the taco bell version of the pizza hut version?

[dense remnant]

Robbymonster Pack?

[fossil sorrel]

https://real3do.uk/3do-game-reviews/

[dire sinew]

We need to convince Zet and Kuba to stop reporting saturn issues so that SRG can have more “free time”. I am going to need each of you to have a plan for this on my desk by EOB

[mossy kernel]

After this core releases, I hope the first game they test it with is the best console port game of all, Doom.

Then I want someone to show it to Burger Becky (Rebecca Heineman).

After that, the Optidoom source port, and then Biofury.

[silent oak]

there's a PC port of 3DO Doom and its funny as shit

it does not even attempt emulating slowdown so you see all the concessions she made for game's speed

[paper totem]

I want the core as it is now. Pretty good odds super wing commander is fully playable

Wing commander 3 probably needs a turbo core. It ran slooooow on actual 3do

Wing commander 4 was going to get ported but EA cancelled it

[marble sandal]

I cant wait to play super wing commander that was one of my favorite games on 3do

[paper totem]

I own it on Mac and 3DO. Jewels of my WC collection 🙂

Hilarious how they took 3d models used for WC2/Armada and Privateer and reskinned/chopped them up for SWC

[marble sandal]

Was there a console version of WC2? I dont remember seeing it anywhere

[sharp pendant]

Based on the video, the games are (all?) running noticeably slower than they do on real hardware, so hopefully they can be gotten to run at the proper speed.

I wouldn't hold out for a turbo core, certainly not any time soon. Srg320 will drop a core when he is ready. It may well require dual ram, certainly initially.

It is an exciting time, but we all need to patiently wait and see until srg320 is ready to release something for us to test.

[distant grove]

I still haven't been shown this low fps footage for wc3

[marble jetty]

That’s because he’s still watching the intro. Takes like two hours!

[dire sinew]

Mark hamil is very dreamy

[paper totem]

I'll compare pc wc3 to 3do sometime soon

[silent oak]

there was going to be a SNES port by Origin themselves but it got canned

supposedly finished but never released

[paper totem]

Yeah wc2 was gold master sent to Japan and never released

[distant grove]

Turbo is not going to change much. Found these clips on YouTube

Not sure if that PS1 clip is on emulator or not. I can only assume it is. Wasn't going to dig through all the PS1 clips to figure it out. 90% of the PS1 videos out there are emulator or way too long for me to want to try and download

Also can't see it because the captures are dookie but the 3do version does include the cosmic debris particles

[paper totem]

X86 dos wc3 runs a lot faster also in svga mode

[distant grove]

I would assume so. A single CPU x86 machine is a much simpler piece of hardware to program for with opportunity to expand on the software as long as the user has a stronger CPU

[unkempt ferry]

THe 3d0 has one unique release, the last time Rob Hubbard did game music, 1994, before he quit the states and programming. The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel

Granted, it's not c64 style music, but a full orchestral score, and is excellent.

[marble jetty]

[modern gate]

you'll be having as much fun as the guy on the box!

[verbal fjord]

That guy looks like he's having nightmarish diarrhea in hell...

[modern gate]

he's saying "I can't believe I paid $800 to play Crash n Burn"

[final grail]

Those are getting very expensive

[marble jetty]

what seriously?

but why

[final grail]

150 quid in the uk

its almost cheaper to import an entire 3do just to get the controller

Although its only fun feature is the daisy chain

average controller at best

[marble jetty]

Yeah I imagine it’s nothing special, especially since the SNES to 3DO adapter is popular.

I probably should’ve bought the Panasonic FZ-JP1

Oh well!

[final grail]

you dont have this !

[marble jetty]

Yeah that’s neat looking

[verbal fjord]

The Pretzel

[marble jetty]

I’m so excited by the 3DO core.

[verbal fjord]

Yeah, I can't wait for it to hit beta

I LOVE checking out consoles I didn't get to experience in the 80s/90s

[sharp pendant]

Robby prepping for SNAC support?

[karmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-gif-14895670

[sharp pendant]

There aren't USB adaptors for this one are there?

[karmic basin]

Sorry for the gif. I had to. It was legally required.

[distant grove]

JP2X probably would have been your best bet for OEM controllers

[dense remnant]

I can't wait to relive the experience of "I can't believe I spent so much on this." 🤣

[fossil sorrel]

I'm gonna leave CPU Bach on aaaaaaallllll night!

[visual sonnet]

Wonder when a beta build or test build will drop

[visual sonnet]

😂

Really excited for this core. I've been having a blast with the ao486 core too. Runs way more DOS games than I ever imagined

[undone hatch]

DOS kinda gets forgotten about in the "console wars" of the time but it was a solid contender for games back in the day

[visual sonnet]

It was. It has a ton of unique games

I grew up playing DOS games with my dad along with my Genesis and playing these old DOS games has been a blast

[verbal fjord]

Lets see if you can guess what my favorite DOS game was

[undone hatch]

Wacky Wheels

😉

[verbal fjord]

LOL

[distant grove]

Given the entry point it had cost to get a PC back then, or even the present, I can see why

[undone hatch]

True, $3500 PC vs console wasn't really comparable. Thankfully we had one for school homework 😉

[distant grove]

Imagine how insane you had to be, to get a PC, then buy a 3do blaster to put in it lol

[undone hatch]

Serious cash

[distant grove]

Blaster rig I built a few years back. Pc came from a local church. CF card upgrade and a USB floppy emu for the IMB, but only for a treat

Couldn't imagine building some shit like this in 1995

[visual sonnet]

Popular title or more obscure?

[verbal fjord]

I would say somewhat popular, and extremely obvious if you know it

[visual sonnet]

Hmmm I'm sure I'll have at least heard of it and likely played it.

Syndicate?

Maybe MechWarrior 2?

Or maybe a fan of graphic adventures by your profile oic

Sam and Max Hit the Road!

[verbal fjord]

You got it!

[visual sonnet]

I love that game

Telltale made some decent Sam n Max games but that Lucas Arts original is the best.

Loved those old Lucas arts games. Full Throttle, Monkey Island, Day of the Tentacle!!

[verbal fjord]

Same!!

[visual sonnet]

We don't get gems like that today

Loom was pretty good too

[verbal fjord]

it's why I adopted the monicker "ScUmM_BoY" back in 1997

[undone hatch]

EGA version FTW

[marble jetty]

Thanks!

[marble jetty]

I think it’s a good bet the core will eventually support SNAC. Or maybe I can use it through Reflex.

I’m not so subtly posting about it on @spark locust discord lolol.

[verbal fjord]

hahaha

[sharp pendant]

Blue confirmed SNAC should be possible, as there are enough pins. One issue may be sourcing connectors as it is slightly different from standard ones

[karmic basin]

I’m not sure how the controller got audio. I’m going to assume in a way that’s not possible via SNAC.

Very happy to be incredibly wrong 😊

[sharp pendant]

3DO controller has audio?

[modern gate]

what the

EGM magazine did not keep me informed of this! 😄

[visual sonnet]

Yeah. Had a headphone jack on the bottom. So many nights I'd be up listening to my Soundgarden CDs on my 3DO via that headphone jack whole everyone else was asleep

[modern gate]

cool

[sharp pendant]

Halcyon days!

I have a couple and never noticed the headphone jack

[visual sonnet]

Only the FZ-1 controller has it

They later released a smaller version and the headphone jack is missing

I don't know if the Sanyo or Goldstar controllers ever had them

[sharp pendant]

Will check mine tomorrow when I am back home

[visual sonnet]

The Sanyo controller looks exactly like the FZ-1 controller so it might be have it.

Was a pretty innovative feature back in its day

[karmic basin]

Goldstar had it

[visual sonnet]

Oh nice.

I've only ever owned the two Panasonic models myself

[chilly gale]

I have a Goldstar 3DO. It does have the headphone socket.

[distant grove]

Analog L and R channels. Amplified by the controller, stereo output

[ember seal]

snac should be able to handle that assuming there's enough pins

[distant grove]

Sanyo is a JP1/1X controller. It has the jack too

[visual sonnet]

That's what I figured when I saw it

[marble jetty]

‼️

[real rapids]

That's just a picture of young Robby on the box isn't it...

But time for an unboxing video!

[dense remnant]

3D Oh!

[golden schooner]

unboxing robby? no thanks.

[karmic mantle]

I wonder where this guy is now and whether he’s still out there somewhere playing 3DO

[paper totem]

hah I just had an insane idea.... why not make a modern 3do blaster? Just need the 3DO core and an FPGA PCIE card

[rich tundra]

if you think about it, one could build a "anyconsole" blaster this way

[paper totem]

I'm surprised it hasn't been done as an emulation accelerator

[cobalt zephyr]

How many buttons does the 3DO controller have

An 8bitdo M30 should cover it right

[paper totem]

One less than snes

[ember seal]

it would be neat to have the mister in pci-e form factor that you could host in a pc

[cobalt zephyr]

Sounds right

So M30 is like the perfect non OEM 3DO controller

[ember seal]

presumably then you could do video scaling and gui things all on a normal gpu

[ionic plank]

The Reflex already supports 3DO controllers apparently, using the Genesis/Megadrive style adapter

[marble jetty]

I’ll have to test. MisterAddons mentioned this in his Discord:

There's a signal mismatch though. Might need a different DE9 adapter for 3DO

[ionic plank]

Ah, interesting. I'd emailed their support earlier today actually to ask about 3DO controller support on Reflex and there wasn't any mention of that

probably will hold off on getting a megadrive adapter in the mean time

[dense remnant]

I seem to recall very early videos of the 3DO (perhaps the first CES, or maybe during the development phase?) where someone appeared to be using a standard Sega Genesis controller.

[ember seal]

didn't genesis controllers work on a few old systems

[real rapids]

I used them on my 2600.

[ember seal]

yeah - maybe mastersystem too

[distant grove]

A lot of those controllers were 3rd party genesis with different internals.

[dense remnant]

Gotcha. Makes sense.

[distant grove]

One popped up on eBay about 3 years ago. I should have bought it

Had sonic on the front and everything

[ember seal]

does that mean if this core gets snac support we can just use genesis pads on it?

like how you cna use snes pads on the nes core

[dense remnant]

Yep. Even worked on my C128DCR back then ('B' button was the action button).
Had to be careful not to use it at the same time as typing on the keyboard, otherwise there was a good chance one of the CIAs would get fried.

[real rapids]

Only for professionals!

[distant grove]

You'll be missing buttons unless you're gonna use a 6 button

[ember seal]

true. though i generally do use a 6 button

[dense remnant]

My... what a big Start button Sonic has. 👀

[marble jetty]

Yeah what a weird design

[ember seal]

he's just pleased to see you

[distant grove]

The ole ambidextrous pad

[silent oak]

The CD32 bone

[distant grove]

I don't even understand why the cd32 exists

[silent oak]

Desperate attempt to consolize Amiga for reaching 32bit CD-ROM console craze

[distant grove]

Well they failed worse than Atari. Hard to beat a bar that low

They should have kept this dpad. The final version they went with was not good

[silent oak]

I am glad those are not the face buttons

[distant grove]

The Sanyo batarang should have stayed ngl

[dense remnant]

Because Commodore management was notorious for making boneheaded decisions after the success of the C64 and especially after Jack Tramiel left.
They were already on the verge of going tits-up when the CD32 was being developed and produced. It was a last-ditch effort to remain relevant.

But I agree completely.

...as much of a Commodore fan as I am.

[silent oak]

Robocop on CD32 is brilliant, it reveals how much of an Amiga experience it really is by making the default pad useless

(if I remember right)

[distant grove]

I mean, I know why they did it. The decisions they made to get to that conclusion is just bizarre

[distant grove]

I got a YouTube this now

[silent oak]

There is at least one CD32 game that requires starting the game with a keyboard

[distant grove]

I don't see RoboCop cd32 gameplay on YouTube. I'll keep scrolling

Still nothing. Is it an Amiga computer game that is compatible with the cd32?

[silent oak]

I am starting to feel weird, I am not finding it either

Virocop doesn't allow you to enter options menu and continue from a password without the keyboard

This was a time before devs figured out inputting letters on a gamepad

I have this very odd memory of a game launched on CD32 in a youtuber's essay that stumbled them because it required a keyboard and for some reason I thought it's Robocop..

Maybe they really tried to launch a regular Amiga 500 game

[visual sonnet]

I use the M30. Covers the 3DO perfectly

[cobalt zephyr]

Thought so. I'm a fart smeller.

[gaunt imp]

Extra face buttons will be handy with Mortal Kombat 2 3DO port which appears to be at the finish line. Looks great. https://youtu.be/qKx_sCt5_D0?si=tbGKG-TLDCxLqdlA

[marble jetty]

The M30 covers every console core perfectly.

[cobalt zephyr]

holy shit is it just me or is this really good

[silent oak]

It's been given a lot more care than any Christmas rushjob

[gaunt imp]

Looks damn near as good as arcade in my opinion.

Makes you wonder how the Saturn and PS ports dropped the ball so hard.

[cobalt zephyr]

I hate to say it but could it dethrone the current 32X arcade edition romhack

[ashen palm]

From what I've seen with Pandamonium's videos (see NBA Jam), it's highly likely Midway got a single person to do their console ports

[gaunt imp]

I did notice Shang Tsung only morphs into mirror mode, so I’m guessing there’s a RAM limitation.

[dense remnant]

The CD32 was about as successful as the C64GS... which was nothing much more than just a 'consolized' C64 motherboard with a 90° upright cartridge connector.
They were both solutions looking for a problem.

[distant grove]

3do has some ram unification you can take advantage of and hardware supported compression of its graphics format (cel)

3do has 2 mb of dram and 1 Vram. As long as your framebuffer is in the Vram you can store other assets elsewhere. So you can allocate 2mb (1 dram 1 Vram) for your sprites/textures and the other 1mb of dram for the OS, your program, and sound

3dohd is stuffing arcade sized assets into the 3do's ram plus most of the proper sound.

[gaunt imp]

Interesting. Kind of seems like the system had more potential than what was ultimately utilized. The 2D is very impressive.

[distant grove]

MK2 is running 60fps with full parallax plus some. Street fighter 2 had no excuse

[modern gate]

dang this is so cool!

oh it's a fan project. I'm not saying that in a bad way, it's still cool as hell. It's that for some reason I initially thought it was an unreleased 3DO game

[gaunt imp]

Probably better that it’s not official 😂

Most ports were ass

[silent oak]

It's heads better than Probe's ports to PS1 and Saturn

[ashen lark]

“Ordinary pc”

[sinful cliff]

Needs sour cream to properly transfer the heat away from the CPU

[unkempt ferry]

Not quite, the CD32 sold over 100,000 units in the UK alone. Whereas the c64gs less than 2000 were sold worldwide. 🙂

[dense remnant]

Still not considered a success. 😉

[cobalt zephyr]

Why are we skipping to the 3DO core when we don't have a DO or 2DO core?

[dense remnant]

Finally, someone asking the important questions!

[ashen lark]

I can’t wait for the 8bitdo core

[fast pebble]

because they started with 3do, went to m2, but went kaputt before they reached 1

[dense remnant]

8DO. Infinite Possibilities.

I should be in marketing.
What's Trip's phone number?

[cobalt zephyr]

No that's ∞DO

[ember seal]

we should start from 1DO and work our way up

[distant grove]

The lynx is already done my guy

[marble jetty]

Another system I didn’t have appreciation for until I played it

It’s great

[distant grove]

I never paid it any attention until I found out it's the predecessor to the 3do

Then after I looked into it, games like slimeworld and shadow of the beast looked really good on that thing

[dense remnant]

I never paid attention to it until I realized it's essentially a portable Amiga.

[cobalt zephyr]

It was just DO they didn't know what they had yet

[real rapids]

The 4DO is just filled with chess games. ||Get it? 4D chess! I know, I'm just that good. I'm playing 4D chess here. ||

[dense remnant]

3DO what Nintendon't

[burnt haven]

Lies

[marble jetty]

No really! It’s a fun little handheld.

I wish the vertical screen stuff was used more, that’s my only complaint.

[burnt haven]

Just giving you a hard time, lol. I think it had interesting tech for it's time but the games let it down. I tried it and couldn't find anything I enjoyed. But I gave it the old college try.

I just don't think every game system is misunderstood. I think some just didn't have good games.

But obviously that's subjective.

[warm kiln]

Definitely give Blue Lightning a try, along with Chip's Challenge and Gauntlet: The Third Encounter. The conversions of a lot of the Atari Games library, like STUN Runner, RoadBlasters, Rampart, Klax, etc. are also top-tier, and well worth looking into.

[modern gate]

so I'm on a bit of light gun kick and I discovered this exists:

[silent oak]

That's a fancy flare gun

[modern gate]

oh. Right. Demolition Man lol. I said the other day I would play that with my Guncon 2. Something tells me the screen is going to be too dark for it to work though

SNAC and 3DO light gun it is then 😛

[warm kiln]

American Laser Games was a weird company.

Founded by an ex-cop, he essentially took a police training simulator he designed and turned it into a Wild West-themed arcade game called Mad Dog McCree. The initial arcade machines they made ran on Laserdisc tech and an Amiga 500, but they soon moved to 3DO-based machines to lower cost (only ever seen this type in the wild, with two such machines in Chicago’s Galloping Ghost Arcade). Shortly after the platform failed, they spun off into HeR Interactive, and would largely become known for their Nancy Drew games on PC.

I mostly knew them from GlobalVR’s Six Gun Select machine, which was in an arcade I went to in the early 2000s. It included several of their lightgun titles, as a sort of early multigame cabinet. (Always sucked at it, but I used to play a lot of Quick Draw Showdown on that one, which only ever went home as a WiiWare release.)

The best way to play most of their titles these days is with a program called SINGE on the PC - they’re basically re-coded from the ground up with the high-quality video extracted from the Interactive DVD versions. I believe it supports everything but Quick Draw Showdown, which has to be played or emulated on Wii.

[modern gate]

neat!

[silent oak]

first Daphne, then Singe?

I see, I see

[ashen palm]

Good Giantbomb stream where they play most of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1J9ZFVBTsc

[modern gate]

Oh that thumbnail.... Salacious!

3DOhmyyyy

[distant grove]

https://archive3do.com/arcade-peripherals/

https://archive3do.com/panasonic-real-fz-1-3/

https://youtu.be/F3bPHxBHf5c?si=vH7JWhXWIPE4awZ0

https://youtu.be/vfXuOzGpWS0?si=LlNCp_ZiZW6pUhRG

[warm kiln]

Neat!

Given these just ran into a stock 3DO via the controller ports, it would be really cool to have these implemented on the core.

[distant grove]

These games are all already in the retail library except for orbatak. Just need to emulate coin/start/test inputs and use a mouse

[burnt haven]

Yeah I've played them all. Blue Lightning is a tech demo. Gauntlet didn't play well imo. Chip's challenge isn't my kind of game. And I didn't care much for most Atati arcade output of that time so the rest didn't interest me much. I can appreciate the technical aspects of some of them though! The hardware of the Lynx was impressive. And I'm glad people get joy out of the games! I own a book on the Lynx despite not enjoying the system because I still find it interesting.

I'm not much into most Western games from the mid 80s to early 90s anyway. Unless it's an RPG.

[marble jetty]

You gave it a shot, and that’s like better than 90% of the people out there. If there’s nothing for ya, then it is what it is.

I think it’s awesome to say “I don’t like it” and “it’s not for me” imo.

[paper totem]

Did Chip's Challenge have a 3DO port?

[warm kiln]

No, we got talking about the Lynx lol. A lot of the same people worked on both systems.

[ashen lark]

I agree on the lynx mostly, I really like xybots though

[fossil sorrel]

It has my favourite versions of California Games and Rygar.

[marble jetty]

3DO has my favorite version of Dr Hauzer

[orchid lance]

I may be biting, but.. ehmm.. isn't it the only version? 😄

[marble jetty]

And that’s why it’s the best!

[orchid lance]

Undeniably so! 😄