Mister Pi Users

[lyric gull]

That's true. His principles are solid enough to not sell a memory module without credit.

But why not communicate that on here?

[limber token]

Perhaps he has more solid data as we? Perhaps the affected users are really small ?

[lyric gull]

Could be. I guess I'm still asking then, why not say anything about it. But I guess the marketing is a fine balance.

To be clear, not accusing Taki of anything, I'm not even sure if it's a hardware issue, just wondering about the silence.

[limber token]

Is any trouble in his discord, or also the same user only here ?

He has spoken here and do some improvements and will do different qa for selected bundles. But perhaps we expected it other ?

[lyric gull]

I guess. Let's see what they say eventually.

[limber token]

Doing bundles to test will slow down things, so i would do all to aviod that process. But perhaps he wait, till the problems are sorted out and a soloution is there.

[green sparrow]

There is some mildly heated discussion over there. A lot of the same content though.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah some guy is mad because others are having issues and he’s not and doesn’t know how to test for issues

It’s entertaining

[blissful hill]

RE2 needs patches to run correctly. latest mister binary and n64_database have these patches built-in. what is your mister version?

[upbeat gyro]

lol

[limber token]

Vampir net shows that game as problematic till now.

[lyric gull]

I don't want to play games damnit, I want to run tests.

[limber token]

Curios, some user expected a PnP System. Guess Mister is not for them.

[lyric gull]

Speaking of, any point in running the new Memtest at anything other than 625? It's stable so far after 26 minutes.

[neon summit]

you could try lower I guess? until it become unstable

[limber token]

No, just for fun and see if the 2 chips behaivior the same. 625 should be enough

[lyric gull]

Two chips is indicated by the : right?

[neon summit]

yes

[limber token]

yes

lol

[lyric gull]

Wow. It's only stable at 61. Borderline!

[neon summit]

lowest mine would go was 64MHz 🥲

[limber token]

I am not a dev, but why use some cores so slow MHZ, if the ram could do much more?

[nimble nest]

v240505, OS v231108

[lyric gull]

Testing how slow our memory can go. What a time to be alive.

[limber token]

Thought before ever that 125 MHz is a default thing, but that seems not true.

[nimble nest]

i should redo the installation, im just using what came by default with the qmtech's sdcard

[neon summit]

your MiSTer main is outdated

so (I think) won't support N64 auto patching

perhaps that is why it isn't working for you

so the qmtech is probably fine after all

[nimble nest]

im so tired but kinda curious if it'll work

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/setup/software/ is this an OK written guide?

[neon summit]

I used that version of MiSTer main briefly to see if it would make any difference to my situation but it didn't

[neon summit]

should be fine

i'd probably suggest rufus over balenaetcher though. that software felt bloated when i used it

or win32 disk imager

[limber token]

The last days were problems were update_all have not updates the main., iirc.

A manual copy solve this

[neon summit]

that would be easier than starting over certainly

[wary turret]

You made him play N64 RE so it’s fair

[nimble nest]

yeah... i prefer memtest, much better game ngl

have you seen the new 625 version? its very fun

[tight fable]

At least on mine the charging block seems to make a big difference on my max RAM speed. 5V2A my max is stable at 146. With a 5V3A PD I can only get 123. Either can do the lower speeds though.

[timber fern]

Super memtest 625

[limber token]

I would suggest to do nothing. He could play and an module send back to china make no sense.

[limber token]

Perhaps the sticker are liying and the lesser powerful brick is better ?

[neon summit]

that's weird considering it only draws as much amperage as it needs

[tight fable]

The 5V2A one though if I plug in the wifi adapter it causes it to reset in a loop. Whereas the 5V3A does not.

[lyric gull]

On mine both chips are happy at 61 MHz, one is happy at 60 MHz, and both are very unhappy at 59 MHz.

[limber token]

Yeah, almost same here, only on chip of 4 pass the 60, but all are fine with 62.

[iron perch]

Can I use a spare 128gb ram from misteraddons instead of the one that came from Taki?

[timber fern]

Yeah afaik

[neon summit]

are you having problems with the taki one?

[iron perch]

I haven’t really had a chance to test anything due to work, but I wanted to confirm the option if necessary

[limber token]

Concentrate of n64, if that run conker and re2, you are fine.

[cinder trout]

got the Taki MiSTer setup annnnd RE2 black screens right after the “this game has excessive scenes of violence and gore” screen

[neon summit]

ayy, that's around about where SK360's craps out

[cinder trout]

turbo core loads fine it seems but that’s normal if I’ve been following right

[limber token]

If turbo runs for you. Wait for the response from taki, how things will handled.

[cinder trout]

where is Conker supposed to crap out?

yeah i’m not jumping to any conclusions yet…also, this is for a friend so it’s really gonna be up to then what they want to do based on my findings

conker is loading for me at least…waiting to see it I make it in game

[limber token]

I believe in game is enough for conker iirc.

[cinder trout]

ok nice

might have to try RE2 again after I get past this cutscene in Coker just to be sure that wasn't a weird fluke (guessing it's not, though)

and then memtest

[upbeat gyro]

My conker was fine with the same re freeze spot as you

[lyric gull]

Well, a licker just killed me. I didn't want to play this dumb game anyway.

[cinder trout]

@upbeat gyro works on Turbo for you?

[upbeat gyro]

Re does

[cinder trout]

ok same behavior then

was gonna check my RE2 rom too because I have this .n64 set I guess I never changed out (doesn't give me problems, though)...interetsingly the HTGDB set for N64 on archive seems broken for a bunch of games

alright yeah, replaced the RE2 rom and it's no bueno on the normal N64 core

[limber token]

Yeah, some cores want special roms. I remember my drama with neo geo at the very first begining years ago.

[cinder trout]

oh yeah haha

I've been involved in MiSTer long enough to remember having to build my own arcade roms

for the new memtest core, how do you adjust the values again? to test the lower values?

[limber token]

First i tried to download complete collections, cause its easier to put single games away as search for good ones. But as more core comes, such as cd based ones, that was not any more to handle. there is a description in the core itselfs. I put in on my own shortcut. so forgot the real keys.

up down and c to toogle

b on controller to toggle

[nimble nest]

im on v230423 os v231108 now, grabbed the latest n64 db and N64_20240818.rbf, same issue is still occuring

[neon summit]

you downgraded

[nimble nest]

huh

[faint dune]

That’s even older. Current main is like 240912 (It’s the date it was released)

[neon summit]

yep, you want that one

[nimble nest]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/mr-fusion/releases v2.9 from here?

oh... 2023

[neon summit]

oh you've started over

[faint dune]

That is going to install an old version

[nimble nest]

yes

[neon summit]

you'll want to run update_all

[faint dune]

It’s really just to set up the card

[lyric gull]

Interesting. Pokemon Stadium 2 doesn't load for me.

[neon summit]

https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer/releases/tag/latest add this to your scripts folder on the sd card and run it

[nimble nest]

ah i see

do i need wifi for this?

[neon summit]

wifi or ethernet

[nimble nest]

oh right forgot about the ethernet port

very tired

lets see

[faint dune]

Yes. Alternatively you can download mister main and put it on your sd card

[neon summit]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/MiSTer_20240912

you'll need to run update_all to get all the cores again anyway

[cinder trout]

alright, let's see if this passes at 62.5...

dang yep, looks like errors at 62.5

[blissful hill]

You need the latest mister binary, latest n64 core and latest n64_database

If running n64 turbo core, you must patch conker and re2 manually, otherwise they will crash, but that's unrelated to this ram issue

[cinder trout]

was there a reason to test any values lower than 62.5MHz? Or was that the lowest we need to try testing

[blissful hill]

I don't even know if my settings for 62.5MHz are correct

[cinder trout]

ahh

[blissful hill]

So even that may not be entirely correct. These tests are not to be considered ground truth just yet

[cinder trout]

let it run for 10 minutes before and it seems that I'm stable at 150

at least...for 10 minutes

[neon summit]

I thought the binary took care of that?

[cinder trout]

anyone reported any issues with the Saturn core?

[neon summit]

I played through to a game over in Sega Rally earlier np

[blissful hill]

Not for re2 and conker. They were fixed at the core level

The binary fixes jet force gemini, polaris snocross and others

And these changes to the core were not yet ported to the turbo core

[neon summit]

but they load on my turbo core 😭 or perhaps trying them in the normal core prepped them?

[blissful hill]

They will load. But will crash randomly

[neon summit]

oh i see. right i didn't play very long

[blissful hill]

Like they used to until a few weeks ago, before the fixes were discovered

You can manually patch the roms

To use with the turbo core

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078

Oops, my mistake. RE2 was not fixed at the core level

Conker and Gauntlet Legends were

[warm olive]

I will never understand that place.

[nimble nest]

im getting much farther in re2 now with the latest fw

[blissful hill]

But in order to have the patches taken care of by the mister binary, not only you need the latest binary itself, but also the latest N64_database, available at https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/raw/refs/heads/main/N64-database.txt

Put this file alongside the roms in the games/N64 folder

[nimble nest]

hasn't frozen yet

[neon summit]

update_all pulls that doesn't it?

[blissful hill]

It does

[neon summit]

if you get to the main menu you're probably fine in RE2 tbh

[blissful hill]

Update_all is a fantastic piece of software

[neon summit]

I did have to manually provide a Saturn BIOS earlier, not sure why but nbd

[blissful hill]

It's not even update_all's fault. It calls an external script for bioses

[neon summit]

right, I just thought it was odd that that wasn't catered for

[limber token]

You had to config the update:all at the first start with pressing arrow up

or was it arrow down ?

[neon summit]

i have bios getter enabled

which is why it felt odd

[limber token]

perhaps cause its beta ?

[neon summit]

i didn't realise it was

[limber token]

it is in a wip status now, but not really final

But progress is very impressive at all

[neon summit]

seemed to run Sega Rally perfectly fine, which is my main use for my Saturn 😛

very cool how quickly the PS1, Saturn and 64 cores materialised after not initially being thought possible

[limber token]

Yes, that shows how talented the devs are

[cinder trout]

i did just realize I didn’t test RE2 with the patched rom….that said, I’m guessing that doesn’t mean much because I don’t think it’s supposed to crash where it did even if it’s unpatched

pokemon stadium 2 booted fine…didn’t get into a battle, though

[upbeat gyro]

It doesn’t and newest core and bios download auto patches

You should see a patched ✅ when you load it

[cinder trout]

oh i forgot to check

[upbeat gyro]

But yeah the patch was related to crashes in game

[cinder trout]

I put the Taki board away and am hooking my standard MiSTer back up for now cause I’m about to stream

yeah I’m aware I just get lost with all the latest updates sometimes 😅

[gusty marsh]

update: as reported earlier, i with full Taki stack experienced no issues with problem games. just ran the modded memtest, clear down to 61 and starts failing at 60 even

[empty lotus]

where are the games freezing for people?

[timber fern]

Re2 and conkers bad fur day freeze pretty quick iirc, before you get into gameplay

[empty lotus]

My results were positive, had the original unpatched re2 freeze on me, but running the patched version only saw minor video hiccups. Not sure if thats normal or not, i’ll try it on my de10 nano as well

[timber fern]

If you’re on latest mister release it shouldn’t have needed additional patching, but I don’t think double applying the patch fixes the freeze anyway.

[empty lotus]

24.08.18 is the release i'm on

patched one worked no problem

unpatched froze

conkers was the unpatched version

no freezing

[timber fern]

Yeah that’s prior to the auto patching release iirc so it’s expected you’d have to patch I think

[empty lotus]

can you link me the newest build?

i'll try it

[upbeat gyro]

Auto patching works on 24.08.18

[timber fern]

My mistake!

[timber fern]

Run update_all

[upbeat gyro]

Mister needs to be latest version and the n64-database needs to be up to date

Think the database comes with the update_all bios pack

[empty lotus]

okay

[upbeat gyro]

Should show patched at the bottom on launch

[empty lotus]

stand by

k i didn't get that message

[faint dune]

What mister main are you using?

[empty lotus]

whateve update all pulled

[faint dune]

The patch is baked into mister main

[upbeat gyro]

Check n64-database.ini in your games folder

Search resident and see if it has patch info on the line

Should be some numbers and shit that other ones don’t have

[wary turret]

*baked into the n64 db, main just executes the patching

[faint dune]

Yes sorry

What @wary turret said

[upbeat gyro]

Hummm that db might not be updated

Lemme see if I can get to mine

[empty lotus]

i just ran update_all

with bios enabler

[upbeat gyro]

Oh yeah that looks right

That’s in my patch section

[empty lotus]

well i just got to the gun shop, no problem on the "unpatched" release

so i guess i'm okay?

where is that jotego mhz test?

[faint dune]

Don’t worry about that

[empty lotus]

alright, sorry i couldn't help , but it seems mine is okay

i hope not all people are experiencing this

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah if you passed 625 and re plays you’re ahead of a lot of us

[empty lotus]

that stinks, sorry guys

[faint dune]

It will get sorted

My mister addons ram comes Monday. We will know then if folks can do that as an alternative

[empty lotus]

it's weird i'm not getting that patched message tho

[faint dune]

I wonder if update isn’t updating mister. If you hit the osd, go to the menu that has the scripts, press left, and the mister version should be at the top

Should be 20240912

[empty lotus]

yeah thats what i got

i'll delete the n64 rbf and redownload it with update all see what happens

[faint dune]

Delete the database too

[upbeat gyro]

Weird. Maybe your rom doesn’t match the hash of the patches

[faint dune]

That could be too

[empty lotus]

oh , yeah that might be it

but i was just able to get to the precinct lol

omg so many variables

well albiet not having any patch notes come up, all the games that require patching at least boot up for me without the patch applied

[empty lotus]

blue brothers just ran slow as heck , but after changing the rom it was fine, still didn't get that update note tho

very confusing

[runic pecan]

is it just the 'patched' line that doesn't show, or the info box itself?

the info box wont appear if controller_info= is set to 0 in MiSTer.ini

[cinder trout]

running the new memtest at 62.5 on my original DE-10 with Porkchop sdram and it's stable

did I see someone here mention that you can change which stick the ram test is testing by pressing a button?

maybe it was in a different channel..

oh, it's the chips on the same sdram board...i was thinking it was for dual ram

[upbeat gyro]

Jesusfish could go down to 60 on his de10 and still be stable

[cinder trout]

with the taki ram?

[upbeat gyro]

I saw someone else say they went to 58. So it def has a lower floor than the taki board

[cinder trout]

ah

[upbeat gyro]

I don’t remember if that was with Taki ram or other ram

But taki ram is stable at 62.5 in a de10

It’s so weird

[cinder trout]

yeah

I'm potentially considering taking out my second ram stick and putting it in the taki board and then taking the taki ram and putting it in my de-10 just to see if that works

because maybe if that works ok, I'll just fix the problem for my friend so they're all set

plus it's only my second stick anyways, so probably not even going to get used

[upbeat gyro]

I bet it will. Jesusfish had 2 working setups when his taki ram was on the de10 lol

He has misteraddons ram coming Monday to throw that into the mix

[cinder trout]

the annoying part is that I'd want to test the taki ram properly on my de-10 which probably means I need to take my main ram stick out and now it's just a project I don't really want to do 😅

there is that modified memtest that can test the second stick, though...

so maybe I could just use that

yeah looks like my normal sdram in my de-10 is stable at 60

ah starts to lose it at 59

[upbeat gyro]

Now watch, that ram won’t go that low in the taki board and the taki ram will be stable at least 625 on that board

https://tenor.com/view/its-just-so-confusing-karen-mott-sistas-s4e17-im-so-confused-gif-26246354

[cinder trout]

haha

well, that's my main ram

so it would be the other stick I'd put in the taki board

I do wonder if just getting another ram stick from Taki could solve it...guess that's just playing the lottery

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah waiting to hear what the response is to us

It certainly seems to be borderline off nominal when both parts are together and some people are on the bad side of the borderline and some on the good side

As changing just one of the parts out for a different brand results in a working setup

[late rover]

The thing with the caps at least sounds plausible.

I kinda want to test it out.

I'm not the best at soldering tiny things though so I'm afraid I would just turn my kinda working stick of ram into a non-functional stick of ram.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah I’m not smart enough to know but it sounds like that guy knows what he’s talking about

[upbeat gyro]

I would certainly try it lol. But I’d rather wait cause if they want this stick back…

[gentle citrus]

The caps are not that small... they get smaller

[late rover]

Yeah I've TRIED to solder smaller things than these. 😄

I think I could manage to do it if I could find some caps.

[gentle citrus]

Yeah, Im just not sure what cap goes where

[late rover]

I just assumed there would be schematics floating around with the correct cap placement.

I also kinda want to wait what taki has to say about all this before doing anything destructive.

[cinder trout]

If it’s something that could be fixed by replacing caps, I actually know someone that could do it …only bad thing is they’re like an hour drive away

[late rover]

I wouldn't be certain that it's the reason for the issues either. It just sounds plausible and afaik comes from a reputable source. The official schematics do say they're all 10uf caps.

[lunar stone]

I'm skeptical about the caps idea. The main purpose of decoupling caps is to minimize the loop inductance of the electrical path. The actual value doesn't matter a huge amount if the package size of all the caps is the same. If there were packages of different sizes, it *might *make sense to use different values. Even then it might not because doing so might create a resonant circuit that causes more harm than good. But I'll be the first to admit that this isn't my particular area of expertise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcJ6UdDx1vg&t=990s

I wish though that someone would indulge me and just try removing the sticker on the RAM module to see if it makes a difference. Strange things happen at high frequencies and the label might be throwing things off just enough to mess things up.

It is worth a (long) shot.

[late rover]

I must say that I am also skeptical simply because I'm not that educated in this subject. I just kinda know how to hold a soldering iron.

[lunar stone]

Speaking of holding a soldering iron, I was working really late in the electronics lab one night and I dropped the hot soldering iron I was holding. I instinctively grabbed it before it hit the floor, right around the hot tip. Note to self: let it hit the floor next time.

[late rover]

I did this right now and now it errors at 62 instead of 61 lol.

[lunar stone]

Thanks for trying the experiment. I know it was a longshot but sometimes that's the only shot ya got 🙂

[late rover]

np 👍

[cinder trout]

the sticker that says “this side out”? I could remove it

oh @late rover beat me to it

[limber token]

The next product run will get a silkscreen I guess, but not sure how long stock holds for the current sticker builds.

[hushed burrow]

So tehres just... a lot going on, is there any kind of conclusion 😄

[loud bramble]

One confusing statement from my side: RE2 did not start first, but after reselecting the rom, it worked, and I was able to get into this house (so it ran ~5-10 minutes without problems). It stopped then testing and went over to Conker. It worked immediately, and I went 2-3 minutes into gameplay, but then had to do something else, so I let it run for maybe 3h without crash. I stopped testing further.

Latest memtest_mod-625 gives me immediate error at 62.5, but Amiga games I tested 1-2h worked fine. Same with the C64 core. Both use <65 MHz.

Testing at 60MHz, the first chip fails immediately, the second is still running without errors - reporting more in a few minutes...

The second chip now runs memtest mod 60Mhz without error since 5 minutes - I guess that the before-mentioned cores might probably crash then at a later stage or randomly?

BTW: Did anyone run those specific tests with the Taki ram on the original DE-10 without any problems?

With the non-updated memtest 625 version, I got no errors on my MiSTer Pi, this just happens with the latest version.

[late rover]

Just did a bit more testing by moving the mister to a completely separate setup and put it behind an ups and the results were the same. The modified test fails below 62 and games including re2 and conker work.

I'm feeling like I'll just let this rest and play something else than memtest for now.

[oblique drum]

So what's the tldr on the mister pi setups not working for certain games and the ram having issues? I friend of mine may buy one with the next wave but I'm worried since I read about having issues for so many people.

[limber token]

It seems that only n64 core is affected for some user’s

[neon summit]

Yep

Everything else I've tried is fine. N64 is on life support

[oblique drum]

So best to wait till the problem is fully understood and solved I guess.

[upbeat gyro]

We only like to play memtest around here

I would fully hope/expect there is an “official” statement before the next batch goes up for sale on what’s going on

[arctic hinge]

Taki has been noticeably quiet on this. I reached out several days ago with no response. Anybody hear back from the support email?

[neon summit]

Someone in his discord said they were being sent a new module and they were expecting the old one back. I sent an email on Monday and no reply

[oblique drum]

My worry is that this won't be able to be fixed in software, so since my friend didn't buy the taki hardware yet I guess it's best to wait.

[faint dune]

I would bet taki is likely looking into this themself, and knee deep in the OLED switch light launch. I think I’d start getting concerned if we don’t hear something before the next batch. I would hope that folks like Speed and Luigi can get support as their problem is much larger than most of us; but, at the end of the day, it’s a minor issue for (anecdotally) most of us

[oblique drum]

Did anybody try taki ram on a de10 and vice versa yet?

[timber fern]

Yes that was one of the first handful of tests

[faint dune]

Yes. Taki ram is fine at 60mhz on a de10nano. Regular ram is good at 62.5 on a taki board

[neon summit]

I'm tempted to just order a module from misterfpga for the interim while this is dealt with lol

[oblique drum]

So taki board + non-taki ram doesn't have the issue then?

[faint imp]

Doesn’t the Saturn core have more strict ram requirements than the N64? Since Saturn core is running fine, maybe memory controller on the N64 core could be optimized like the Saturn was couple of weeks ago?

[timber fern]

It’s got an issue still, it just doesn’t cause problems anymore in the n64 core

[faint dune]

This is the theory I’m going with #1287682359658807317 message

[timber fern]

It is quite odd that it doesn’t seem to affect any other cores imo

[faint dune]

Some Taki stuff is just enough out of spec to cause issues when paired together

But when paired with in spec stuff, it’s fine

[faint imp]

I think it would be worth it to test Taki kit with the Saturn core version before the memory controller rewrite

[faint dune]

It’s not as stable as a de10 with standard ram, but it’s stable enough to play resident evil 2 for an hour

[neon summit]

Also the experimental N64 turbo core works fine

[faint imp]

It should be fixable via “software” yeah

[faint dune]

I think the problem is that it might, but no one has spent enough time in any of them to know for sure. Resident evil 2 is an easy mark because it crashes in the first 2 minutes.

[oblique drum]

Part of why I'm so infatuated with mister is that it all just works and has basically perfect compatibility. If the taki stuff comes with a bunch of caveats on what works and what doesn't in different configurations I can't help but feel like it's best to wait and see if the issues get resolved before buying one.

[wary turret]

Memory controllers can’t just be swapped around. The requirements can be and are completely different depending on the system

[neon summit]

I agree. It's also why I'm hesitant to request an rma just yet. If I'm sent another module that doesn't work I'm going to be in the same position

[wary turret]

And the way memory (both ddr and sdram) are used in n64 and Saturn are wildly different

[faint dune]

I would definitely wait until the issue resolved for sure. With that said, you have 8 years with a de10 nano being the only system. You’re going to have hiccups when folks introduce clones. They will be ironed out - this is 100% early adopter shit, you know?

[wary turret]

Given the problem isn’t understood I doubt you could assume it’s fixable via “software”

[faint imp]

I didn’t mean “to swap”. More like “optmize” it

[faint dune]

My mister addons ram comes Monday so we will know then if you can just buy another ram module to fix it

[faint imp]

Well, like someone said above, turbo core works fine

🤷

[wary turret]

Yeah I mean go for it if you’ve got the skills and think you have a shot but the dev has moved on so someone else will need to pick up that torch

Maybe ruleset hasn’t gotten sick of patching roms

[faint imp]

Nah. I dont have the skills

Maybe MARS devs will some day? Who knows?

[wary turret]

Robert spent an inordinate amount of time considering how to make it work with original timings from a memory perspective before concluding it can’t be done so it would be a long shot for sure to squeeze more out but maybe someone is out there. Either way the problem isn’t understood so rewriting the core isn’t step 1

[wary turret]

It’s a race between them and analogue 3d 😉

[oblique drum]

One thing taki has over mars and analouge 3d is that it actually exists and people have it in their hands, no matter how many problems it has right now.

[wary turret]

It’s solvable too

Just gotta swap hardware

[oblique drum]

Does Robert have a mister pi for debugging purposes?

[wary turret]

Since so many people with Pi don’t have the issue

Well maybe that’s also an assumption

Claim not to on Reddit and such

But on the whole seems it’s a small set and Taki can just give them hardware that works and no one rewrites anything

Understanding it would be cool though

[upbeat gyro]

Saturn core also runs at 107mhz…. Where none of us have problems at.

[wary turret]

Saturn may have lost the battle to PSX and N64 back in the day but they’ve won the war!

[neon summit]

Hey PS1 works fine too ;p

[wary turret]

Oh damn

[upbeat gyro]

Also I don’t think it should be considered an option if it works on the DE10’s. We don’t want to have to bring down standards to fit clone hardware but just imo

[oblique drum]

It's all just mister now. The strength of each, the weakness of none.

[wary turret]

A thousand logical elements of lights holding hands

[late rover]

I'd say it makes sense to fix 3rd party board issues in software if at all possible. At least if it's something that's not too specific.

[oblique drum]

We are legion for we are many. -sapient mister fpga

[neon summit]

I'm kinda hoping it's the capacitor thing ultimatemister mentioned

[upbeat gyro]

See I’d rather 3rd party board figure out why there is variance then to lower development standards to have to fit it

Much like the Xbox Series S 🤪

[wary turret]

Yeah like if that first attempt of changing the ram refresh rate worked. Something like that. But ideally it’s a hardware problem with a hardware solution

[limber token]

For the capitor thing speaks, that a known good ram solve the problem with a taki clone.

[neon summit]

Reposting

[worn lion]

oof

[limber token]

Curios is the fact he should know it allways, cause he said taki board runs fine on mms.

[worn lion]

someone should swap out a few of their caps with more proper values and see if it helps

[limber token]

On mms is new bga and old V3.0 based ram possible. Next batch will be bga only.

[limber token]

True, but were put wich cap on wich position?

[neon summit]

There was also the tweet that the ram design they requested for manufacturing was sent without his consent, so it kinda makes sense

[worn lion]

it doesn't matter that much as long as you have one of each in the 3 positions for each ram chip

but copying porkchop's or ricardo's is a good idea

[limber token]

I have not the right equipment for doing this myself. Parts to tiny.

[neon summit]

I would try but I'm hesitant to touch the module with an iron in case that invalidates an rma

[worn lion]

if it's just a matter of noise messing with the ram at least that's cheap to resolve

[limber token]

A ram fix is much cheaper as an pcb rework on the clone. So hopefully the caps solve the issues.

[neon summit]

The tweet I'm referring to: https://fxtwitter.com/TakiUdon_/status/1830172720237052120?t=goqAX8OjhCFiDBq1RaPu8A&s=19

[worn lion]

someone impacted by the problem taking one for the team to either confirm or not that it impacts the issue would probably be helpful data

[limber token]

Sooner or later one person will try to swap the caps. Problem is he need a affected system.

[worn lion]

right

the issue does have a very noise-like feel to it

being only certain cores, at certain times

seemingly hardware dependant, edge casy

trace lengths would have been my first guess, but caps makes enough sense to be a good theory

[limber token]

Yes, there was some small real defects too, but that counts not really. Problem seems only n64 on affected system without real defects.

[neon summit]

Is this info publicly available?

[worn lion]

probably? i mean they are both nice people and would probably just tell you if you asked

I don't think it's a trade secret or anything

[upbeat gyro]

It’s odd tho because jesusfishes ram module that fails at 62.5mhz on the taki board will pass at 60mhz on the de10. And the ram from the DE10 will pass on the taki board at 62.5 but won’t hit 60

So it’s like if the ram caps are off spec it’s enough to push the whole thing over the edge

But there’s still something off with the fpga board too

But if the ram caps were off spec why does it test down to 60mhz on a de10.

[limber token]

Doesnt matter as long as the n64 problems will be solved with the known good rams. I dont think that the chips make a difference, they could reach 150 Mhz mostly.

[worn lion]

i'd be surprised if the trace lengths and layout were identical between the de10 and the clone board

that can impact the way interference and noise is picked up

decoupling caps are there typically to "clean" noise from power

[limber token]

Ricardo has allready said there were not.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah I don’t think there’s a need to be stable at 60. As long as I can play n64 at 62.5 🤷‍♂️

It seems to be the most extreme use case at that slow of speeds

[worn lion]

i mean it should be stable up to 130mhz

[upbeat gyro]

There are other cores that run slower but don’t use nearly as much of the ram

[limber token]

Most users wont buy a 130 Mhz only chip now. 🤣

[worn lion]

im pretty sure there's cores that use sdram at like 30mhz

so there shouldn't be any frequencies between 10 and 120ish mhz that fail

[limber token]

We have no good test core for it. The other cores runs fine with lower clocks, so i guess they must work a bit differend.

[worn lion]

or it's just an edge case

[limber token]

JT 48 Mhz was the only to test below 50...

[worn lion]

a lot of stuff happens around 60hz in the USA

[limber token]

Hz, but not MHz 😁

[worn lion]

yeah

has anyone tried building n64 with the clocks bumped up or down by 5mhz?

[limber token]

It seems an edge case. N64 is the only affected yet. But not many tests done, cause there are so many games and cores. The 80MHz seems to work for the most affected users, so higer seems to work out.

[neon summit]

For whatever the memtest625 test is worth mine is only stable at 64MHz and above

[limber token]

Taki has problems then or just runs fine?

My taki pass 625, down to 62.

On single chip pass 60, other not.

[neon summit]

I only have taki hardware on hand

[limber token]

Yes, but runs it fine, or even n64 probs ?

My thinking is, that the taki had to past the 625 to be fine

[neon summit]

N64 is basically not possible with my sdram module right now

So the results of memtest seem to correlate with my N64 core success at least

[late rover]

Does the 80mhz core work?

[neon summit]

Yes. A few clips of my regular core behaviour

[limber token]

So your ram would be an ideal test canidat for swapping cabs.

[neon summit]

I guess it's only $20

Could always order a revised one later if it doesn't help

[limber token]

Yes, send back make no sense for a single module.

Were are you located ?

[neon summit]

UK

[limber token]

Ok, we need to find some one there, that could try it. But i would wait a little to see how things happen right now.

[neon summit]

I mean I could do simple smd work like swapping the caps myself

[limber token]

That would be cool. But we need the infos wich value on wich position

I have no good ram module left from the 3.0 ones.

[late rover]

Like it was said one could just ask but it doesn't seem that hard to guess by just looking at pics of other ram either.

[faint dune]

probably not patched, but would be another interesting data point if it is

[limber token]

Yes, we had here also users, were main was old...

[faint dune]

yeah, someone last night wasn't seeing the patched message even though they were on the newest main. could be the wrong rom too

[weary rain]

You will only see the "Patched" message if you have "controller_info=(seconds)" setup, which should be the case if you use the offline installer from taki.

[faint dune]

I think it's the default across the board, yeah?

because I didnt use the offfline installer on my mister pi and I see it

[neon summit]

Me too

[faint dune]

small sample size, but not great ratios

[neon summit]

Tomorrow's headline: MiSTer Pi in 40% failure rate scandal!

[wary turret]

You’re just handing “article” fodder to timextension 😅

Hard hitting copy/paste coverage

[neon summit]

Gotta hit that article quota

[delicate hazel]

Could provoke a response from Taki maybe.

Seems to be a growing amount of people trying to get in contact with him/his company for a rma

[wary turret]

Nah don’t feed timeextension

It’s lazy coverage and shit stirring

[late rover]

I don't want to be raising pitchforks and torches here but I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of the radio silence taki has been excercising over this whole release. People keep complimenting him on being really transparent over the whole thing but I'm not sure I can really agree with that.

[slender sleet]

More test from my side, not related to memory, but with my issues with Neo Geo

• Using a PD port Neo Geo boot. - Some games get garbage, so may be an issue with the rom itself or the memory. TBD
• Using a regular port (5V 2A, reviewed with a power reader) Neo Geo do not boot
• The USB near to the ethernet port is not working for me. No dongles or USB cables work with that one, I think that this is an issue
• The Fan speed change depending on the PD negotiation
• I'm facing some issues to connect to the Wifi. It was working, is not working anymore
• N64 seems to work on my device, but I will run more tests

[loud bramble]

Not to defend Taki in any way, but I really don´t get it. I definately get errors on the 1st bank at 62,5MHz, but RE2 and Conker work. I also tested Amiga (Minimig) and C64 before without problems - they run at 57 and 63 MHz - no problems, while 57 MHz memtest fails definetely on both banks. Then, I just tried Sega Master System, this has even 54 MHz. Also no problems on 3 short games I tested (Alex Kidd, Hang on and Ghouls´n Ghosts).

[late rover]

That said, I gotta stress that I am still enjoying my mister pi and have to thank him for giving an affordable entry point for this thing.

[delicate hazel]

I ain't making excuses but I think it's just not the best time for Taki if I'm guessing. Just because he did just release his Nintendo switch lite oled screens and seems to be responding to people on twitter (recently too).

But I think we all would like an update on the potential problem, how people who are affected can RMA and answer people's emails.

(I'm planning on buying mine batch 2, which is apparently releasing first week in october. id like to know if there's going to be a delay or if this issue persists).

[slender sleet]

I still think that this is a bargain, but lets try to find as many possible issues to figure out where the problem is (I bet that most of the time in the user side), so future batches will be fixed

[upbeat gyro]

The port by the Ethernet port gets disabled when the usb hub is connected afaik

[late rover]

Yeah I can't say I would do anything better in his boots. Has to be a real god damn stressful.

[faint dune]

I would like folks like Speed and Luigi made whole because their problem is bigger than just not being able to play 1 or 2 games. For the rest of us, I think it's fine to wait while taki gets things worked out. It's 2 games out of the thousands we have no intention of ever playing

[delicate hazel]

Even with having to buy another ram from somewhere else. It's still a lot cheaper than a normal de 10 nano.

[upbeat gyro]

If you were on a DE10 setup that port would be used to bridge to the hub. Taki just made the connection “internal” via the header

[faint dune]

I also never got wifi to work reliably with the dongle. But I chalked it up to the dongle

[late rover]

But that doesn't really mean that he can't be criticized either. I am still his customer, not a friend. That's just a fact.

[slender sleet]

Exactly. And as I said, most of the problems that I have faced may be because how I have setup everything. So far so good. Tombi on PSX is giving me incredible nostalgic feelings, and the next one will be Mischief Makers on N64 (so far its working)

[upbeat gyro]

Too many launches not enough people to do post launch support 🤪

[faint dune]

mischief makers is so goddamned good

[slender sleet]

❤️ treasure

[faint dune]

yuuuup

[delicate hazel]

Yeah, it's just timing.

[faint dune]

I do think Taki needs to say something before they put out the next batch

[upbeat gyro]

Should have not done them so close but hindsight is always clear

[delicate hazel]

I'm just glad you all managed to somewhat gather lots of information about it.

[delicate hazel]

If nothing is said and batch 2 comes out. If I manage to order one, il test the hell out of Resident Evil 2 haha. I'm due a replay of the game.

And I like tank controls

[faint dune]

but the tank controls on the n64 controller are awful

like, they made sense with a d-pad

[delicate hazel]

The game has an alternative control scheme

Where it isn't tank controls iirc

[faint dune]

oh right, there was that

wouldn't know can't play it on my mister pi

[delicate hazel]

Ouch

[faint dune]

it will get sorted. we are all early adopters

[slender sleet]

RE2 may be my favourite RE, but please, play it on PSX 🤦‍♂️

I used to have it on my collection, so fucking amazing aftergame playing as a tofu bar or as a mercenary

[loud bramble]

I just tested out ColecoVision which is said to run at 43 MHz - no problems. So I am not sure if this memtest check really means anything because testing at this speed, if definately had failed.

And the games would have crashed immediately imho.

[late rover]

I think it has been said about 1400 times that the memtest should be taken with a big ol' chunk of salt.

[loud bramble]

ok, haven´t seen this, sorry.

[late rover]

Didn't mean to sound mean sorry lol 😄

[slender sleet]

It's possible to pin messages here? We should pin that the test may not be relevant + the link to the takii discord

already done

[late rover]

taki discord is pinned

[loud bramble]

No, I try to follow the discussion here at Discord, but it is quite a lot as long as you do not have holidays. So I was not up-to-date here (while I followed most of it when it still was in the N64 group...).

That´s why I said "sorry" 😉

[late rover]

This has been moving pretty fast. Can't expect everyone to keep track of everything.

[loud bramble]

That´s exactly my problem - I thought I had, but there seem to have been more development here in the last 24h.

So, I didn´t want to go on your nerves with my claims when it already had been discussed 😉

[upbeat gyro]

Going to go out on a limb and guess Colecovision isn’t taxing the sdram quite like n64

[neon summit]

Yeah any core with a lower clock requirement works fine that I've tried

[loud bramble]

Might be, yes. But I thought, it touches the sdram at least to a certain amount, and it must have crashed immediately referring to the memtest.

[neon summit]

Atari 5200/7200, SMS/GG, Pokémon Mini

[loud bramble]

Also tested Atari 2600 some days ago without problems.

So it it really N64 specific up to now, I guess.

At least from what I have read...

[faint dune]

another thing we have seen from a couple of folks (and not everyone has tested it) is that one ram chip is usually ok at 60-61mhz on the mister pi, while the other will error immediately. that could explain some of why smaller cores work fine with mister pi + taki ram

[cinder trout]

I'm tempted to just order another ram chip from Taki and see if I get lucky 😅

[faint dune]

I kind of want to order a qmtech stack now

[upbeat gyro]

I'd rather order one from misteraddons lol

[faint dune]

yeah, you'll get it quicker

[limber token]

Before a real RMA could be done, the root cause has to be found and eleminated. So give them a some more days to examine and solving, if there is a real design flaw.

[loud bramble]

Does a core really select which ram to use? Furthermore, both rams fail here at 57MHz, so theoretically, Minimig, SMS and Colecovision should have crashed, but they did not.

[stuck tulip]

no, a core uses what it's build for. chip 1 for 0..64mbyte, chip 2 for 64..128

[loud bramble]

Yes, that´s what I also think. Even if Taki is busy with his Switch mod, he might take care of it before he annouces the sales start of batch 2.

[delicate hazel]

Not long now for batch 2

[loud bramble]

Chip 1 shows earlier errors here than chip 2.

[dusky glen]

wasnt batch 2 on hold because of the memory layout?

the x post

[delicate hazel]

Was it? The website retro remake says the first week in October

[loud bramble]

Memtest for chip 2 worked at 62,5MHz for several hours, while chip 1 immediatly showed errors.

[delicate hazel]

Was it? The website retro remake says the first week in October

(it did also mention something about October the 8th too but that's been removed)

[loud bramble]

Haven´t seen any tweet regarding a memory layout update. There was just this old one where he said that he received other SDRAM than expected (whoever did the fault).

This was why the initial batch 1 was delayed.

[timber fern]

Re: usb port, do you mean the one that’s on the same board as the Ethernet port, or one of the hub ports? The usb a port on the mister board is disabled if the hub is plugged in

And the c port on that edge also is not a usb port, it’s a debug uart port using a usbc form factor

[stuck tulip]

i wonder we still talk about the n64 core ram issues and no one made a core with shifted sdram clock. Guess i'll have to do it then

[delicate hazel]

I think people have collected bits of information from different tests, and just waiting for either different ram or Taki to confirm.

[limber token]

They switch from there own design to the reference design from sorg. The delay was caused by a missing sticker has to bee produced, as they forgot the silkscreen print to mark the credits.

[delicate hazel]

Then ultimate mister did a post on Facebook too I think. In regards to the issue

[upbeat gyro]

I'm just wondering if the ram chips came with the original taki design if we would be talking about this less or more

lol

[limber token]

There must be a reason for there design change. But perhaps we will never know the real reason.

I can only assume that the V3.0 design better fit with the selected chips.

[neon summit]

I got an email reply

[cinder trout]

interesting

[faint dune]

We should compile the information we have for Taki and just send it to them

[cinder trout]

now I want to slack off work and try this right now

[neon summit]

I feel like I've already tried this. Will confirm later

[cinder trout]

seems pretty wild that they wouldn't have at least one module that replicates these issues

[lunar stone]

Since the 48MHz test is suspect, I'd tweak their reply to "see if it will pass the Conker test".

[green sparrow]

Couldn't this all be an issue with people's boards?

And not the SDRAM module?

[neon summit]

True as that may be apparently it is used by manufacturers to validate sdram modules

[lunar stone]

I think Robert uses his own memory controller code vs the standard one used in other cores, so the timing are different between them.

[dusky glen]

is there a reason to go for 48 i can get down to 62 everything below fails

[upbeat gyro]

48 is the jotego test

[dusky glen]

ahhh woops

[upbeat gyro]

I pulled my card up like shown in the pic and it made no difference

[lunar stone]

I think the consensus is the Jotego test is flawed and shouldn't be used as a benchmark.

[upbeat gyro]

well actually it dropped max speed down to 146

[timber fern]

Interesting, I pulled mine out a little further and my ram is giving significantly fewer errors at 62 and 625

[faint dune]

lol

we must find the correct height

[upbeat gyro]

No change for me

[cinder trout]

I pulled mine out slightly too and it didn't make any difference for 62.5

[upbeat gyro]

BUST OUT THE CALIPERS

[faint dune]

I am excited to test this

[upbeat gyro]

lol

[timber fern]

The error rate was already quite low at 625, this made it roughly 6 errors per cycle instead of ~10-15, maybe just coincidence?

[cinder trout]

it actually seemed like mine wasn't allll the way down in the first place

[timber fern]

I don’t think they sit flush even fully seated

[cinder trout]

yeah it does I just got it down

doesn't seem to make any difference

[upbeat gyro]

How high can we go

Let’s get risers

Maybe we can get it 6” up and it will work

😂

[timber fern]

“For high performance mode, only put the ram halfway on”

[faint dune]

its like when you loosen the muffler to give the engine a bigger growl

[slim sundial]

this discord now: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gaming-urban-legends/images/d/d8/MewUnderTruck.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171214211028

[timber fern]

Lifting it further on mine has gotten it down to like 0.8 errors per cycle on average lmao

[slim sundial]

trying to get missingno from our ram modules

[neon summit]

I spent longer trying to move that truck than I should have

[timber fern]

Crazy that mister is so accurate it even supports cart tilting

[slim sundial]

lmao

[upbeat gyro]

has anyone tried this yet?

One cold, one hot pass

[delicate hazel]

Instructions unclear. I boiled my ram instead.

[timber fern]

This is how far I’ve gotten. 6 cycles with 0 errors now

7th brought one error 💔

[slim sundial]

doing ram module feng shui

we need to record the current moon phase for the start of each memtest

[timber fern]

Alright alright….

[upbeat gyro]

I do get significantly less errors with it pulled way out

I sitll get errors

but I have 5 good to 15 bad right now

and with it pushed fully down I get like hundreds bad before a good

[timber fern]

I’m at 2e with 3 errors

[dusky glen]

lick it?

[upbeat gyro]

still cant get RE2 to boot

maybe I need pin extenders to make it even further

lol

[limber token]

Wich 48 Mhz taki means, the JT ? Iirc no taki ram here pass this on the taki clone itself.

[timber fern]

“Ok welcome to my Mr pi tutorial. So, for this tutorial you’re going to want a Ticonderoga #2 pencil- it must be that pencil because it’s the exact width your ram will need to stick out to play n64 games”

[upbeat gyro]

There are some on facebook showing taki stack passing 48mhz

[limber token]

The JT ?

Never seen here one

[upbeat gyro]

Yes

[timber fern]

There’s been a couple iirc, most of them are just word of mouth but somebody shared a photo

[limber token]

strange. He meantioned shortly after the first discussion that he will use better sockets. But my ram socket is really strong on both modules.

[timber fern]

With pulling the ram out so far maybe the line length is too short, causing issues with timing-sensitive tests?

Like I have it pulled out as far as it can go without being removed rn and my memtest results are pretty decent. Getting around 1/4th the errors at 62, less than 0.25 errs per cycle on average at 625

[late rover]

But why are only some units affected? Seemingly not that many either. Or at least the symptoms vary from severe to none.

[upbeat gyro]

Idk

[neon summit]

Feels like there's a margin of error or something

[delicate hazel]

Uh oh. That doesn't sound too good

[limber token]

Working is not working? Was denn nun ?

[delicate hazel]

Im guessing it's because that MMS is using its own ram

[limber token]

Yes, but he claims the failure is on the clone and not on the ram.

[delicate hazel]

Oh yeah

Sorry, I get what you mean now

[limber token]

If so, other Rams should not work. MMS needs longer sockets

[delicate hazel]

What Facebook group was that posted in? If you don't mind me asking

[cinder trout]

let's test v2.5 Porkchop SDram....

checking RE2

success

[limber token]

If i find the time, i put the taki in my mms and test it myself.

[delicate hazel]

To me it sounds like it's a ram problem then. Because other vendors/brand ram works fine. But that doesn't explain some people not having issues nor does it explain what Ricardo suspects.

[cinder trout]

testing 62.5MHz with the v2.5 Porkchop ram

[limber token]

I think its ram module related too.

[cinder trout]

it's not erroring out immediately anymore

I think I'll just give my friend this old ram stick

[delicate hazel]

I wonder if there was an inconsistency in the manufacturing of the ram. Let's say something slightly changed in a measurement. Which only affects some of Taki's ram.

[cinder trout]

I don't really need dual ram anyways and maybe the taki stick works fine in my de-10 😅

[delicate hazel]

But at this point I'm just guessing and speculating

[limber token]

Wee need some one to put the different caps on the taki rams !

[iron perch]

I guess I should thank Atrac for conning me into buying a second sdram card for a dual ram setup

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1870135613286506

[limber token]

Better make a screenshot. Without a login we see nothing.

[upbeat gyro]

I should just order a misteraddons ram and when/if this taki one gets RMA'd I can throw it in the drawer if I ever need dual ram

[upbeat gyro]

I screenshotted what I had to share, he asked what group it was in

so I was linking the group 🙂

[limber token]

ok, sorry

[late rover]

I'll be fair to taki and treat mine as working until I find something other than memtest that doesn't work lol.

[limber token]

I just orderd also 2 rams, cause they are are cheap and only one time shipping with same costs.

My stack and both rams work also fine.

All other vendors is the ram over 40...

[delicate hazel]

Thank you. Just applied

[faint dune]

putting the ram at different heights did affect errors slightly, but re2 still doesn't load

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.amazon.com/Treedix-Stacking-Header-Compatible-Raspberry/dp/B08M5TWWRC/ref=sr_1_6?crid=34JK9R3U7DZKI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.f8VhiUYsWDMwXKsbnGJQaKK8gy1O_dEj7xO87maaVCWVQ-VH5m_a2RdT2QDREmDwlxdMlWlyRLJbJCqg9PUrzFH4cf2c2CeZmJtu_cILzcf6XHZqNzw5Ha1aBjpQao65Ad8xFVAr0lm_SDFqt9d84is-PpH2vVltJDZT01tArdLPfkrPallK5IOiUZMMKJ6Zd871fCCpwX4apoPpBION3KSf_p-hBvJXXSjs-GUO6RM.PRhriaSl7aIfdtEPF152h8m1s7WA0mpZ0UMUAq6nKsA&dib_tag=se&keywords=40+pin+header+extension&qid=1727450713&sprefix=40+pin+exten%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-6

ok whos gonna try these

lol

[timber fern]

Tempting

[limber token]

Why? Make more sense to try the cap and connector thing on the module.

[timber fern]

Because it’s faster to test and easier to undo

[upbeat gyro]

because if raising the ram module up is reducing errors

one can assume raising it more keeps the trend

lol

and I have run out of length

[timber fern]

Raise it up 10ft and it can go all the way from 1 to 300mhz

[limber token]

That is only the force to the inner pins of the connector.

[upbeat gyro]

yep it was suggested to try by taki and has reduced errors for all of us?

[faint dune]

but doesn't fix it

I don't think it's worth exploring until it fixes it. It may fix it for folks right on the edge

[neon summit]

🥴

[limber token]

Make no sense, lines got longer and not shorter

[timber fern]

True. Just seeing the reduced error rate should give pretty good insight

[upbeat gyro]

maybe they're too short?

[winged summit]

I hate N64, so if anyone affected want to sell me their taki board + ram with a heavy discount please DM me

[faint dune]

but even then, is it fixing it for folks who cannot run re2? the only person I can think of close to the re2 edge is like SK, and raising the ram doesn't fix it

[winged summit]

(j/k, of course)

[upbeat gyro]

I need another 1/2" and it'll work, I can feel it

😂

[cinder trout]

i’m no expert, but these circled spots look suspect to me? 🤔

gotta zoom in

[winged summit]

You’ll end putting orings on the ram connector like the people that put them on mech keyboards 😂

[timber fern]

Time to buy pin jumpers and have the ram loose in a separate enclosure

[neon summit]

Rookie numbers :p

[faint dune]

look at this guy

show off

[timber fern]

Pull your ram all the way out

[delicate hazel]

At this point, better put that ram module in a different room.

[faint dune]

Seat the ram backwards. you will see less errors

(don't do this please)

[late rover]

They might have told to do that wiggling just to rule out any defective loose connections on the pins. It's not necessarily about the length.

[winged summit]

Someone look for some old IDE cable and test please 😂

[delicate hazel]

Hahaha

[upbeat gyro]

I just looked in my box of arduino stuff to see if I had any 40pin headers and there’s a bunch of jumpers…. 🤔

[timber fern]

The further out I went the fewer errors there were

[faint dune]

get the fucking iron out and get to work

[limber token]

Hard to say. Are they strong, or could you push them?

[faint dune]

1' of length should do

[oblique drum]

I actually work with optical inspection for an electronics manufacturer. Can you take a from the side (probably need a microscope) to see whether the solder climbed up the backside of the pin? Looks to me like it could not be soldered correctly.

[upbeat gyro]

I'm pretty sure all of takis ram modules look like that

[limber token]

You well never see any error then.

[upbeat gyro]

my pins look the same in that area

[gusty marsh]

i passed the jotego 48 test on a mister pi + taki ram

[cinder trout]

@oblique drum i can try but my phone is kinda a potato lol

[upbeat gyro]

Look at this guy

[cinder trout]

yeah I can’t get my
phone to focus that close

[neon summit]

mine do too

[oblique drum]

Are those vias (holes) in the pads? That would also explain the atypical appearance.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah I believe so

[gusty marsh]

this is like the third time since i originally posted my results that someone was like "well no one had this result" 😅

[faint dune]

that's what I'm saying. you also won't have to worry about resident evil 2 anymore

@gusty marsh right but how tall is your ram

[timber fern]

If I pull the ram out enough do you think I would start getting negative errors

[winged summit]

Anyone with mighty soldering skills planning to try the capacitors thing?

[upbeat gyro]

yes the further out the less RE2 sucks

[cinder trout]

I tested my v2.5 sdram from MiSTeraddons on the taki board at 48MHz using the modified memtest and it failed...gonna try the JT test

[upbeat gyro]

we're just so used to failures around here

[timber fern]

The best way to experience re2 is to buy a Mr pi and drive the ram to the other side of your country before starting

[late rover]

Curiously enough, mine is also like that in the same area.

[timber fern]

Not tall enough smh

[gusty marsh]

don't want no short short RAM

[timber fern]

Gotta have the tallest ram in the city

[cinder trout]

where do I even get the JT memtest cores?

[winged summit]

You must be this tall to ride this game

[upbeat gyro]

my wife prefers the short ram, atleast thats what she assures me

[winged summit]

Like in roler coasters

[limber token]

Same ram chips on the module?

[cinder trout]

oh wait i think i got it

[tight fable]

Mine does too.

[faint dune]

look at this short king over here

[gusty marsh]

same as what

[cinder trout]

wait, no I didn't get it lol

I don't see the RBFs on github?

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/sdram-test-core-45967856

[cinder trout]

ah he never released it publicly, I see, thanks!

I had it a long time ago and deleted it

[limber token]

same as posted here

[faint dune]

as an aside, if you aren't just running Super Attract Mode in the background at all times, I dunno what's wrong with you

look it says it passed right on the sticker

[upbeat gyro]

Guys I got RE2 to load

[neon summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-oh-you-you-dont-say-come-on-gif-4954979

[gusty marsh]

then yes same

[limber token]

cool, but what is dual shock ? 🤣

[oblique drum]

Is the psx version problematic as well?

[gusty marsh]

i have had that occasionally crash out after multiple hours running but since i'm not watching it i'm never sure what it actually hit that didn't work 😅

[upbeat gyro]

lol no

[timber fern]

It’s when the game shocks you two times to deaden you to the pain of playing it

[limber token]

Forget N64, we have PS1

[timber fern]

Fellas how do I launch conkers bad fur day with the psx core?

[faint dune]

I have been troubleshooting that all week, actually. So far I have disabled Amigia, ao486, and atari5200. I imagine it's a rom that is erroring, though

[limber token]

just buy a real Pi

[faint dune]

game boy

[gusty marsh]

probably yeah

[upbeat gyro]

I should test RE2 N64 on my Raspberry Pi 5

just for parity sakes

lol

I have a bunch of cores filtered out in my downloader.ini but I can't get rid of NeoGeoPocket... it's infuriating

[limber token]

I just used the favorite thing. Easier to handle and all cores up to date, if i want them.

[upbeat gyro]

yeah I should probably just do that

[gusty marsh]

@faint dune the first time i tried to set up SAM i somehow borked it completely to the point where it was crashing on non-existent neogeo roms on every run, and then none of my changes to the config would save... i had to totally remove it and start over from scratch to get it working again

[faint dune]

that is super weird. I remember having trouble getting it to start

but nothing like that

[gusty marsh]

100% user error i am just not sure what SPECIFIC user error i committed to manage it

[cinder trout]

misteraddons 2.5 ram passes Jotego 48MHz test

on the Taki board

[upbeat gyro]

woah

this is the first taki board to pass that test.... /s

I dont wanna get beat by the other guys

[gusty marsh]

re: ram version numbers, what's the story with that? this is revisions of the baseline hardware spec over time right?

[cinder trout]

yes

[faint dune]

yeah

[cinder trout]

2.5 is older

it only ever gave me slight issues on the Saturn core some time ago...I believe those issues were fixed at the core level

[gusty marsh]

what's the purpose of the design changing over time

[faint dune]

they had to make it taller

[timber fern]

We should have seen it all along honestly. It’s the height of the ram that’s giving us trouble. Has to be taller in the Mr pi to account for the shorter price.

[winged summit]

But “taller” and “more expensive” are the same word in japanese! Have someone tried RE2 japanese rom!?!?!?

https://tenor.com/view/its-its-always-sunny-always-sunny-charlie-day-charlie-gif-16330640

[limber token]

stability with higer speeds i guess.

[limber token]

You could make a module with almost the same high as the socket with BGA rams.

But the chips costs a bit more

[cinder trout]

ok gonna test the taki ram on my regular de-10

first, the RE2 test

with my weird old .n64 version of the rom

works fine!

actually gets past the previous crash spot

ok and it isn't immediately failing the 62.5 test either

will let it run for a bit

[faint dune]

i bet you it's stable at 60mhz

[cinder trout]

i can try that next and then I'll try 48MHz

[faint dune]

(it will pass)

[cinder trout]

either way, so far so good...seeming like it'll be more than sufficient for a second sdram chip

so odd that the same module works on one mister and not the other

[faint dune]

Shaved the buttons down on the taki case. Just in time for @gritty herald to release theirs

[limber token]

The good thing is, that this brings the prices down for all. See allready some price drops.

[fast lagoon]

Those are some long boi buttons

[faint dune]

we like tall around here

@gusty marsh If you're not busy, can I ask a big favor of you? I know the game is horrible, but can you muck around in RE2 for a bit? User on reddit says their mister pi passes the 62.5 test, but RE2 crashes after a few minutes (it loads fine)

[upbeat gyro]

Are there more errors now that you shaved the buttons down?

[cinder trout]

no, it has failures at 60

[faint dune]

Balloon fight is working fine, thanks for asking

[faint dune]

eeeeeenteresting

[cinder trout]

gonna check the standard non-modded memtest

[neon summit]

old school

[faint dune]

Super Attract Mode

[limber token]

Runs only with 70

[cinder trout]

taki ram runs stable at 150 on the taki board, but seemingly only stable at 148 on my de-10

not sure if it might go lower if I let it run longer

nbd though

[gusty marsh]

i ran it for long enough to get into gameplay and shoot some zombies in the first couple screens, do you want longer than that?

[cinder trout]

ope, 147 now

[limber token]

you had not. Just 140 would be fine. Not worth the work.

[faint dune]

Mine got to 147

[cinder trout]

right exactly

[faint dune]

Ahh ok, then maybe it's just something weird on their end

[tight fable]

I played RE2 for about 10 minutes and got to the police station. No crashes.

[gritty herald]

haha

[faint dune]

Do you have a time that it's going to go live? Or just when the mood strikes?

[fast lagoon]

Whoa! Do I sense a fellow Minnesotan?

[cinder trout]

alright testing taki ram in standard de-10 with 48MHz JT test

@fast lagoon no, just a Michigander here

[upbeat gyro]

think he said noon

he should just let us buy now

we've been through a lot

😛

[faint dune]

it's noon somewhere right now

[cinder trout]

seems to be passing

[upbeat gyro]

it's noon:27 here

[late rover]

It's almost 8pm what are you talking about?

[faint dune]

did you buy a case?

[gentle citrus]

Oh, i thought they released tomorrow morning

[faint dune]

(they do, I'm joking)

[gritty herald]

Maybe I'll do it today. I dunno

[faint dune]

F5 engaged https://www.etsy.com/shop/RetroFrog3d

https://tenor.com/bmB51.gif

[upbeat gyro]

oooo Ohio

that will be quick shipping

[gentle citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-gif-20103453

[gritty herald]

Shipping begins sometime first week of Oct. I want to see what order colors look like first

[neon summit]

I replied to support. Guess we'll see what they say! I didn't mention the modified memtest so as to not throw that into the mix

[faint dune]

ordered

thanks todd

[gritty herald]

I am a man of the people

lol

[upbeat gyro]

oh shit

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/bgUsc.gif

[upbeat gyro]

what color should i buy

[faint dune]

the right one

imagine buying the wrong color

in 2024

[gentle citrus]

The color that speaks most to you of course

[upbeat gyro]

I think the SNES scheme is the right answer

but let me ask chatgpt

[gritty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-them-gif-14737906

[gentle citrus]

hello ai overlord, what should i be thinking

[river folio]

Any updates from Taking regarding batch 1 cases? Or anyone else making cases for the Mister Pi megapack stack?

[upbeat gyro]

Scroll slightly up

[faint dune]

I think taki said they were getting final versions of the case this week?

I thought I read that

[upbeat gyro]

Ok I made a choice

[upbeat gyro]

Damn that’s the other one I was considering

[faint dune]

both are good

I almost went SNES

but that blue 😍

[delicate hazel]

I'm not sure on what case to buy. Il probably wait till I hopefully order the mega pack first.

[blissful hill]

@worn lion hi, i created the modified memtest, what would be the best way to get the code looked at by someone more knowledgeable to see if the clock settings are optimal? Feel free to pm me

[upbeat gyro]

You’re right. Now I have regret

😂

[faint dune]

Another option for cases for folks with printers: https://www.printables.com/model/1015509-mister-case-v2-taki-udon-mega-pack-version

[upbeat gyro]

Those blue buttons are hot

[faint dune]

going to need to put the stands back on the bottom

[upbeat gyro]

Asking Todd to change my order to slate now 😂

[gritty herald]

say what?

[upbeat gyro]

Taki just tweeted

about batch 2

[wary turret]

This ram hardware issue is so hot right now, look at how much it drives engagement. Theres no such thing as bad publicity

[wary turret]

Guess that means you basically can’t buy the ram and board standalone until the issue is figured out

[upbeat gyro]

nothing about hey those having batch 1 issues

:/

[late rover]

so... no real news then? I guess turbo bundle is new. I think it was already stated that the mega pack will get qa'd with the ram.

[neon summit]

this is a very UK specific thing but I managed to dodge a customs charge on the mega bundle by less than £1 lol. I think a turbo would have taken me over

[delicate hazel]

Oh sweet. I appreciate that

Il just try to get the mega bundle

[neon summit]

its worth noting that the exchange rate is calculated at a fixed rate per month, i can't guarantee it will be the same next month, or under the amount (£135)

for October it is £1 = $1.3211 or an allowance of $178.34

[delicate hazel]

I do hope we get a time though on when we can order

[worn lion]

prolly just paste a github url in the #dev-talk channel

with some context obviously 🙂

[delicate hazel]

I do hope I can secure one in Batch 2.

[limber token]

You could buy all items the hole time, only clone boards are out.

[faint dune]

What are people using to monitor QMtech stock? I kind of want to get my hands on a qmtech stack so I can treat misters like pokemon

[limber token]

I dont know, but i think that is an ali thing ?

[blissful hill]

Done, much appreciated

[faint dune]

it is

[neon summit]

that's the one with sdram on the board itself

[upbeat gyro]

I’m a little surprised batch 2 news came out before addressing batch 1 issues……

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-fine-gif-25275641

[faint dune]

yeah. someone was still having trouble with the soldered on qmtech board

[neon summit]

was that not 0? i think it was because of mister main being outdated

[delicate hazel]

Yeah that doesn't really give me confidence going for batch 2. But as stated on his website you get a year warranty.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah. I haven’t gotten a reply to my email and someone got one telling them to try their ram in another room, warranty only as good as the support lol

[delicate hazel]

I mean, if I wasn't getting any support from the seller after maybe 2 weeks of asking. Id be contacting my credit card company.

[limber token]

Had a bad taste, that batch 2 users gets a case before batch 1 customers....

[cinder trout]

hopefully us batch one-ers get an email soon about cases at least

[delicate hazel]

Il buy the case if it's bundled in. If it's a separate purchase I'm just going full steam ahead trying to purchase the mega bundle.

How long did it take for the mega bundles to go out of stock when it was last on sale?

[timber fern]

5 minutes

[green sparrow]

https://x.com/TakiUdon_/status/1832036552178106551

Taki Udon (@TakiUdon_) on X

The 2nd half of batch 1 sold out in three minutes. We just placed an order for batch 2, and will start production ASAP.

Batch 2 will have 2x MiSTER Pi. PayPal will also be available.

Batch 2 should be 30 days from today.

Shipping will continue tomorrow. Thank you all!

Twitter · Sep 6, 2024, 12:42 PM

[faint dune]

5 minutes on the first half of the batch. 3 on the 2nd

[delicate hazel]

Much appreciated 👍

[upbeat gyro]

I dont know what any of that means

but I'm glad I bought a case from todd

[cinder trout]

Todd's case looks real nice

[delicate hazel]

I've normally been alright in stock drops. Managed to get that rtx 3080 Fe msrp in the height of crypto boom. Managed to order 3 Xbox series x (1 for me, my brother and my mate) and 2 ps5's. (When both consoles were having stock drops)

Hope I haven't jinxed myself

[faint dune]

you should have bought me a PS5 pro yesterday

[upbeat gyro]

you shoulda got me a ps5 pro 30th anniversary edition yesterday then

jinx

[faint dune]

thanks for nothing

[delicate hazel]

Oh nah, not at that price

[cinder trout]

I got an NES Classic when they first released, Analogue Pocket batch 1, MiSTer Pi batch 1....my luck is due to run out at some point

[upbeat gyro]

I got a regular ps5 pro preorder in

but I think you can still get one now

[delicate hazel]

Was something like £900 wasn't it for the bundle. I could build a pc for that. Most ps5 exclusives are now releasing on PC

[faint dune]

I bought the dual sense edge and called it a day

[cinder trout]

Oh and I was able to snag a PS5 Anniversary DualSense yesterday for a friend

[faint dune]

yeah but your pc doesn't look like a playstation

[upbeat gyro]

I got 2 dualsense anniversarys

"I can build a pc for that folks" as they drop more than the ps5 pro price on a graphics card alone

lol

[delicate hazel]

A bit of grey paint, couple of decals. I could change the boot screen to ps1 start up.

[neon summit]

it was £959.99

[delicate hazel]

My 3080 was cheaper than that tbf

[upbeat gyro]

the bundle price was actually quite fair for what was in it

[delicate hazel]

You could build a decent 5700x3d pc I think. With an AMD GPU.

I found out recently that amd has a GPU with 24gb vram

[faint dune]

listen, no one was trying to get a PS5 pro 30th anniversary because it made sense

[upbeat gyro]

correct

I need my in race ray tracing in Gran Turismo 7

[delicate hazel]

I just wasn't the intended Audience

I will admit though. It did look amazing

Just like that old anniversary PS4 they did.

[upbeat gyro]

Reflections!

[cinder trout]

has anyone here tried cleaning the header pins for the sdram socket? 🤔

[upbeat gyro]

should I polish them with a dremel?

[limber token]

When i need a magnifying glass to find the differencies, what is then ingame per 30 or more frames per second.... Save the money better for an ps6.

[gentle citrus]

No, but Im going to now when I get home tonight

[upbeat gyro]

GT7 runs at 120fps

[limber token]

makes it even harder...

[upbeat gyro]

and lets be real, GTA6 gonna run at 20fps on PS5 and 24fps on PS5 Pro

😛

[gentle citrus]

Ill probably use a toothbrush and IPA to clean it

[neon summit]

i thought this was funny because i play with the bonnet cam

[cinder trout]

@upbeat gyro I'm just wondering if it's worth trying to clean the pins with...yeah like a tootbrush and IPA like @gentle citrus said

[upbeat gyro]

lol yeah. When I play PSVR it's locked to cockpit cam and I play bumper cam when I play on flat screen

[limber token]

Better flux and heat... 🤣

[tepid lynx]

Anyone else have crackling audio from the analog board? It pops and cracks no matter which cable or speaker I use...

[upbeat gyro]

lemme go see if i can dig up some IPA

[cinder trout]

I've seen that issue reported, but it seemed like it was most likely to happen with PS1? I wasn't sure if I'd seen anyone say they had crackling audio on every core they tried @tepid lynx

[blissful hill]

Will we have RT in VR mode?

[tepid lynx]

This was the ps1 core that I noticed it on!

[upbeat gyro]

I'm certainly hoping so

[blissful hill]

Honestly, the VR mode in gt7 frankly wrecked flat screen racing sims for me

[upbeat gyro]

Agree.. I wish they would update the VR Mode options though

I race in leagues

and not being able to see in race standings

and +/- on whos in front/behind you is a killer

I ended up going back to flat panel for league nights

[blissful hill]

Yes, not having deltas suck

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/bzy1R.gif

[upbeat gyro]

plus no deltas for time trials

but god damn is GT7 a VR seller

It's so good otherwise

[limber token]

Thought VR sells not well, that the reason for open it up for PC users... 😂

[faint dune]

it doesn't

sony has all but abandoned it

[limber token]

Tbh, a VR that costs more as the console, make no sense (for me)...

[faint dune]

totally

and it's fucking broken on PC

I couldn't get it to work

[limber token]

Perhaps i search for an V1 one, if i can get it cheap. Would like to play with it a litte on wii u...

[faint imp]

OMG!!!!! 😱

[delicate hazel]

Taki does seem to be replying to people on his Twitter post about batch 2. Hopefully he will announce something about this ram/RE2 issue

Especially for you Batch 1's. Otherwise I'm going to guess Taki will get a few rma requests.

[timber fern]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[upbeat gyro]

still the best VR headset for the price

the OLED screens are unreal

[blissful hill]

I'd love some pancake lenses for it though

[rotund parrot]

okay I am new to this whole MiSTer universe and I am super confused as to what is to be tested/checked with the Taki mega set. is there a pinned/ELI5 of what new users should test? is this with memtest? at a specific frequency, or all the frequencies, with either/both ram modules? I am lost

[limber token]

have you any problems ?

[rotund parrot]

yeah, I have run into the same RE2-on-n64 not running bug that other users are facing

[limber token]

All other work fine ?

[rotund parrot]

I mean I've barely had this thing

perfect dark ran terribly slowly, I noticed

[late rover]

I would just email support for RMA.

[neon summit]

the authentic perfect dark experience