#Sega Mega Drive/CD/32X

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glass shale
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Same here šŸ¤”

carmine pine
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Mustve left. Certainly wasn't banned.

glass shale
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Oh did nuked leave us? šŸ˜”

carmine pine
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Yeah, it's his prerogative. Just glad he made the core. No biggie.

drowsy hemlock
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I bet @fallow dome banned him when he was drunk with power one day

fading hare
plucky flare
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maybe he got kicked from the n64 thread and that was the last straw

glass shale
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So @fallow dome is the one to blame here

fallow dome
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lol

drowsy hemlock
polar cargo
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Wait, does kicking someone from a thread count as bannable points towards a permaban? šŸ¤”

polar cargo
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Was nuked the author of the nukedMD core?

warm carbon
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ya

fading hare
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It's almost like he nuked the old core!

polar cargo
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I actually didnā€™t know he was on here, thought nuked was more like SRG, doing stuff via GitHub etc

random marsh
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it's d d destroyed

drowsy hemlock
cloud otter
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He also lives in like...the coldest place on the planet that isn't in Antarctica. So he might have just hit absolute zero and even his accounts stopped moving.

pine crystal
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Friendly reminder...
srg320 is not Sorgelig.
srg and sorg are two different people.

warm carbon
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but have we seen them in the same place at the same time?

polar cargo
glass shale
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That would be great having him here though elmorise

cloud otter
drowsy hemlock
pine crystal
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Ahh, I apologize. šŸ˜„

light mist
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Don't.
Blame robby

fallow dome
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I am he

cloud otter
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Confirmtion. Robby is either God or H3H3. Or helium. Or possible Michael Jackson's ghost. OK, not a TON of confirmation....

glad aurora
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This is pretty wild šŸ˜‚ this translator seems perfectly sane

reef flame
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$1 per hour of gameplay sorry I don't make the rules

void eagle
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I suspected Gleylancer was based on the Mijet as soon as I noticed it uses the same font, the Chrono Trigger font

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Shameful that it was stolen

pale plover
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You know, instead of lying like this, they could of just asked permission to use these fan translations.

Strange they never considered just asking. But maybe they were worried that doing that would of made the products redundant.

glass shale
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Spanish dude does it again it seems šŸ™ƒ

torn dome
pale plover
torn dome
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lol no

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does that count as stealing btw

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do you own a rom hack?

fallow dome
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it's honestly a good question, I think there's some protections for derivative work since translations fall under there

torn dome
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in the context of western, somewhat property rights respecting, somewhat capitalist system?

fallow dome
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Well in the US anyways

torn dome
fallow dome
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Oh I see, the translation needs to be a substantial enough change and "bear its author's personality sufficiently" to be considered derivative.

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Which most fan translations don't do (imo).

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Again, this only applies to US law as far as I know

torn dome
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US patent law, to paraphrase the words of Abe Lincoln, is the best in the world

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the english had a good system that the americans built upon

fallow dome
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You know, this actually explains the liberties that Working Designs took with their translations

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but the hell do I know lol

torn dome
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i for one think you should be able to sell a USB thumb drive containing files that can be laid upon an original ROM translating it or hacking it.

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you obviously have to do it properly, canā€™t be using pirated software, etc., etc.

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would get very interesting to see what would happen when you try to sell code that makes a game playable off-line in violation of Steam TOC or similar

fallow dome
torn dome
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hell yeah

fallow dome
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That would be cool honestly

fading hare
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Those games never would have gotten an official release without it.

void eagle
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Which makes the fact that one of their translations was stolen even more facepalm worthy

void eagle
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In the case of Gleylancer, the website of the author of the translation has an angry set of ground rules that give me the impression that he's unlikey to give permission for using his translations. https://mijet.eludevisibility.org/Old.html

proper agate
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Making a derivative work is an exclusive right of the copyright owner. The rules mentioned above about bearing the author's personality are for having a separate copyright in the derivative work in addition to the copyright of the original owner.

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It's like writing a Harry Potter fanfic. If you didn't just slavishly copy every word from Harry Potter, your fanfic has a separate copyright. It can't be published without permission from you and the copyright owner of Harry Potter.

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The company cannot steal your fan translation without your permission, but you can't just release your fan translation without the company's permission either.

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Selling your IPS patch that contains a translation is like selling your Swedish translation of Harry Potter.

fallow dome
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Under US law, people releasing fan translations without the permission of the copyright owner is violating their copyright?

faint onyx
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This would be illegal in nearly every country with normal laws. But you could license it directly from the copyright owner (the game developer/company). Happens often enough. I mean for translations that are sold as a new product, like the retro-bit games.

fallow dome
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hahaha

faint onyx
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Taking an unoffical fan translation without asking, and then releasing it as a new commerical product though is just a moral issue. Happens too. For releasing a fan patch ifself: I's more of a greyzone. Unless you release it prepatched with a rom/cd-image. But nobody in the translation scene is doing that.

torn dome
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the book thing is an interesting, but mostly irrelevant comparison.

new code that changes words in a game, and doesnā€™t function on its own is not the same as me selling a book translation that functions without the original

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not making a legal claim here btw. i know what iā€™m proposing would be an entirely new aspect of property rights

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also

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i love the Mega Drive

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canā€™t wait to buy Earthion

fallow dome
fading hare
drowsy hemlock
fading hare
drowsy hemlock
fading hare
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This is true. I love me some remakes. He has zero tolerance for them!

fallow dome
fading hare
glad aurora
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I saw in the Sega CD core there's a cheats option. Where can the cheat files be downloaded from?

warm carbon
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does update all not grab them automagically?

glad aurora
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It has for all my other consoles

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Perhaps there's just not many cheats for Sega CD games and I haven't played a game that has any yet

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I'll have to look where cheat files are stored and see if there's any files in there for Sega CD games

fading hare
fallow dome
glad aurora
fallow dome
glad aurora
glad aurora
glad aurora
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For any TTY2OLED users here, is there a way to get it to show a Sega Genesis logo instead of the mega drive logo?

glad aurora
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Well finished my first Genesis game on the core. Played thru and beat Sword of Vermilion

fallow dome
glad aurora
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I have a history with this game lol

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So if you play it with the mindset that it's a 1989/90 RPG...it's decent enough

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Great soundtrack

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It gets pretty repetitive.

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But...9 year old me when this came out thought RPGs were stupid and for losers

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Cause I was young n stupid

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I rented this game back when I was kid, and this is the game...of all games šŸ˜‚ that got me hooked onto RPGs.

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So I play it now and appreciate it for what it is, and the love it sparked for the genre.

I do think it's a great entry level RPG for someone who's never played RPGs before.

fallow dome
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Haha thatā€™s awesome

glad aurora
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It's got a wild thing I never knew about

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The music that plays at the name select...the composer made it loop and the pitch get higher and higher

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There's a YouTube video of it looping for two hours till it crashes the Genesis sound chip šŸ˜‚

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Worth a skimthru for a good laugh

pine crystal
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One of the earliest games I remember playing on the Genesis back then.

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I had fun with it, but I've never played it again since.

glad aurora
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You can't go into it expecting anything epic

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But it's fun for a 1990 early Genesis release

pine crystal
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Yeah, it was... okay.

glad aurora
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I think I may try to play thru Phantasy Star on the Master System next.

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I LOVE Phantasy Star online on the Dreamcast and always wanted to try the mainline games

fallow dome
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I was really impressed by how markedly better the graphics and presentation were over NES RPGs

pine crystal
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Considering I had already played Phantasy Star II before Sword of Vermillion, yeah... lackluster by comparison.

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But, I was a sucker for any RPG on the Genesis.

glad aurora
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Well yeah if you had play PS2 the standard was already set lol

pine crystal
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I never had a Master System, so the first time I ever played the original Phantasy Star was through the Power Base Converter.

glad aurora
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It wasn't like the Genesis was overflowing with JRPGs either.

pine crystal
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I was okay with that. šŸ™‚

glad aurora
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I had one of those when I was a kid

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I think I only had a few master system games though.

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Rampage, Bomber Raid, and something else

pine crystal
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The primary reason I was extremely glad I bought the Sega CD was because of Lunar and Lunar 2.

glad aurora
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I fucking LOVED My Sega CD

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Vay, Lunar 1&2, Dark Wizard, Dungeon Explorer.

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Shining Force CD

fallow dome
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I didnā€™t appreciate the Sega CD until MiSTer, itā€™s genuinely an awesome add on

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Ton of cool games

pine crystal
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If you're going to play the original Phantasy Star, I highly recommend the 'Retranslation' patch.

glad aurora
glad aurora
fallow dome
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It is a retranslation but itā€™s like an overall improvement

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From the GitHub:

The following changes are made to the game engine:

Narrative formatting
Window expansion
Replaced 8x8 font
Use of adapting word tokens for articles, pronouns, and other grammatical constructs for specific languages
Reworked name entry screen
FM/PSG switching
Extended save slots names, count and interface
"Quality of life" improvements to reduce grinding

glad aurora
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Yeah I wonder how much was changed or if it's just fixing grammatical errors

fallow dome
pine crystal
glad aurora
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Oh that's a good bit

pine crystal
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It's pretty extensive.

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It's a bit of a misnomer. It's more than just a translation patch. Lots of QoL improvements as well.

glad aurora
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Grind reduction alone is a plus

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Gonna download it right now and transfer it to my MiSTer

pine crystal
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Trophy Unlocked: Man(NotMachine) of Culture šŸ˜

pine crystal
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It lives on!

fallow dome
pine crystal
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I just didn't know about that repo with more recent additions.

glad aurora
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I see there are similar projects for 2,3, and 4

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Is it worth playing those over the originals also?

pine crystal
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If there are any improvement patches for 2, especially addressing the grinding and dungeons aspect, the answer is most definitely yes.

glad aurora
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Usually what I've done in the past is use a cheat to give myself some extra money so I can just put the best gear on my party.

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I try not to be sleazy bout it...but I'm 43 and have 3 kids

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I don't got time to sink 90 hours into a game anymore lol

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As much as I wish I did

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So I usually try to do some little things to lessen the grind when possible

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And get this...

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My ass was forward thinking it seems. I already have the PS1 retranslation on my MiSTer šŸ˜‚

pine crystal
glad aurora
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Would you say PS1 is better enjoyed with the fm sound add on?

pine crystal
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Not for me. If you've never played it, it probably doesn't matter. But since I'd never experienced it until that patch, it just sounded... wrong.

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It's not that the music is bad. It just wasn't what I remembered from spending hours with that game multiple times.

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Plus, there's something weird about the pitch... like all of the music is in a different key.

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Easy to spot when you toggle between the two modes as it plays the music.

glad aurora
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Im seeing what ya mean here

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I think I'll go non fm

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Oh that other sms game I had as a kid was miracle warriors

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Never got anywhere in it back then

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But listened to it with the fm sound and was like damn that's way better

pine crystal
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Rastan was one of the other handful of SMS carts I had.

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I maybe had 4 or 5.

glad aurora
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But in the case of PS1 here I prefer the non fm music.

pine crystal
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Phantasy Star was by far my favorite.

glad aurora
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I played the Dreamcast online one so much to the point it was probably an addiction

fallow dome
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PSO da goat elmorise

glad aurora
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A week before the expansion came out on DC ...I was so pumped for the ultimate level content

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And I was saving my game and my dog ran past and ripped the controller cord out

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Had to power level to 80 in less than two weeks lol

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I still play PSO to this day

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The Ephinea server is really good and the blue burst content is fun

fallow minnow
glad aurora
pine crystal
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Wow. My first memory of being scared of something on-screen was seeing Darth Vader for the first time... at a drive-in theater in '77.

fading hare
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First thing I can remember that scared the crap out of me as a kid was the library ghost at the begininning of Ghost Busters when seeing it in the theater.

tulip surge
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The Vigo painting in Ghostbusters 2 for me. The ghosts were fine but that dude had a look like he was gonna destroy you

fallow dome
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joining this discord

plucky flare
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seeing Robby become a moderator

pine crystal
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"Wise fwom your gwave!"

warm carbon
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Terminator cutting out his eye or the alien queen.

pine crystal
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Things got taken to a whole new level the first time I saw The Thing in '82 when I was 11...
Yeah, I was not ready for that shit.

warm carbon
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It's one of my favorite movies

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"you gotta be fucking kidding me"

pine crystal
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Nightmare on Elm Street was only a couple years later, but it didn't have anywhere near the same impact. The Thing was just downright unsettling.

shut aspen
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The Thing invented amogus

pine crystal
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Of course I see the brilliance of it now. Back then was a different story. šŸ˜„

shut aspen
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tbf, The Thing was critically panned on release

warm carbon
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it did horribly when it came out originally

shut aspen
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it's seen as a cult classic nowadays

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but when it came out, everyone fucking HATED it

pine crystal
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'Cult classic' seems to be a Kurt Russell staple.

warm carbon
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is it a cult classic? I feel like it's beyond that. Like, every time Mondo has a thing poster it sells out immediately. And those posters are among the most expensive posters on the mondo aftermarket

shut aspen
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i think it's funny that the diabetus man is in The Thing

pine crystal
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Big Trouble... Escape from... etc.

warm carbon
narrow panther
pine crystal
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Mode Sega!

fervent rain
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The composite output for Genesis on my CRT is trash because of dot crawl. I was able to find alternative Y/C values for Saturn and N64 that cleaned up their images, but the only Genesis option I found has extreme wobbling that is more distracting than the dot-crawl. The recommendation I've been given is to try PAL60, but is that a setting somewhere in the Genesis core, or a separate Genesis core that I need to download? I only have an NTSC tv.

livid spire
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Same core. Look at ntsc_mode option in the MiSTer INI file iirc

fervent rain
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thanks, think i found that option. gonna give that a try,

fervent rain
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hmm. I don't want to change the entire mister over to pal60 and break everything else just to get genesis to look better.

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is there any other way to improve dotcrawl on SEGA cores?

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this is what I was able to use for other cores

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but the SEGA offerings that aren't saturn are just way to wobbly

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the default value for y/c Genesis seems to be 36650387593, and the alternate in that document is 36652534872. Is there a third value I could test?

livid spire
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You might be able to add this to the INI for it to only apply to the Mega Drive core

[Genesis]
ntsc_mode=1

.... something similar for the newer Mega Drive core syntax...

inland quail
# fallow dome joining this discord

heh, I'm with you on this. there was a horrible miscommunication when I first joined, I truly thought I was going to get banned within my first 5 minutes

drowsy hemlock
fallow dome
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What information about these cores should be pinned to help new people get up to speed with using it?

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Iā€™d like to do my usual assortment of pinned posts

glad aurora
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@fallow dome Hey Robby, figured I'd ask you since you always seem to be in the know. Is it likely/possible we ever see RetroAchievements integrated into any of these cores down the line?

drowsy hemlock
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Not Robby, but no

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waits for Robby to give an actual thoughtful answer explaining why

glad aurora
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lol

fallow dome
# glad aurora <@314946127487172609> Hey Robby, figured I'd ask you since you always seem to be...

I donā€™t want to say no because this is an open source platform which anyone can contribute to and work with.

But extremely unlikely on the current de10. Reason being is that those need to exist outside of the FPGA and function on the arm processor, which the de10 is woefully inadequate of handling.

Additionally itā€™s an external program that the MiSTer team does not control and would have to figure out how to incorporate it within its framework which is a considerable amount of time.

Lastly, itā€™s an amazing feature and system that I donā€™t think anyone on the MiSTer team dislikes but it goes against the grain of what MiSTer tries to achieve; which is completely hardware accuracy in an accessible package. Retro Achievements are a big change and addition to the base hardware so itā€™s not a priority at all for anyone to support on the MiSTer.

drowsy hemlock
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The point of MiSTer is to recreate the feeling of original hardware back in the day. This means beating a game and telling your friends in the schoolyard the next day and them not believing you. Retroachivements would take that experience away from the next generation

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šŸ˜‰

fallow dome
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I hate saying this because it sounds dismissive and I donā€™t intend it to be but those are the types of features better left to software emulation.

drowsy hemlock
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I guess the ARM bit would have to monitor the coreā€™s memory in order to see if an achievementā€™s criteria has been met. Knowing nothing at all about FPGA dev, thatā€™s probably marginally easier when the consoleā€™s memory is in shared DDR3, but harder when itā€™s in SDRAM/other. Even if it were shared, I donā€™t think itā€™s simple because I guess the core is free to store stuff in weird ways if it wished

glad aurora
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fair enough

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I can see both sides of it

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I think it's a pretty nifty little thing and when the achievements aren't absolutely insane to obtain, I enjoy going after em

fallow dome
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Yeah theyā€™re awesome!

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Itā€™s just not a fully compatible system with the goals of MiSTer.

glad aurora
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Did you see Taki has a new U.I. for his upcoming PSOne looking Mister?

fallow dome
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Sure did!

fallow dome
glad aurora
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Simple, but I did seeing the boxart, if it's possible to see front/back artwork that'd be pretty sweet. I have thousands of games loaded on my hard drive that's attached to my Mister and it'd be cool to see that art when looking for something new to try out

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you know...

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it's not about neccisariliy being in the know, but just rambling enough to make people THINK you're in the know lol

drowsy hemlock
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Ask him about his >200 N64 games or >1000 PS1 games

glad aurora
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I have a collection myself lol used to own around 5,000 games in total

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have sold some of it off over the last couple years.

fallow dome
# glad aurora Simple, but I did seeing the boxart, if it's possible to see front/back artwork ...

I cannot speak for Sorg (the project lead) or represent the MiSTer core devs, but one of the UX goals of the MiSTer main menu was to not incorporate a complex UI as that slows down processes and takes perf away. The priority are the cores and anything that could potentially impede your access to them or even perf like loading roms or browsing lists is a big no. The MiSTer must also support CRT (again recreate original hardware) so having large images may be a challenge or bringing up the core menu while in a game may not be able to display images because cores also fully utilize the systemā€™s onboard ram. Itā€™s a very complex technical hurdle.

With that being said, itā€™s really cool to see Takiā€™s team take a stab at it and it will be very interesting to see what are the results. Maybe on a future board thereā€™s enough processing and memory overhead to handle box art loading?

drowsy hemlock
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If anyone does ever implement a bloatware UI, I hope itā€™s optional šŸ˜‰

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(Which I think it would be)

fallow dome
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One of my complaints that Iā€™ve shared with Sorg as well is the inconsistency of the presentation. I think people have really figured out box arts which is great but only for certain systems.

drowsy hemlock
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You should continue to share your complaint about the lack of a Virtual Boy core elmorise

fallow dome
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Not that it has to be all or nothing but if your UI becomes inconsistent, that really undermines the interaction flow.

fallow dome
drowsy hemlock
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I know, I was kidding. Youā€™re all good

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Itā€™ll come eventually. We just need to wait until Kitrinx decides she hates it enough šŸ˜…

visual temple
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I like virtual boy

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it's not like it was made by atari

drowsy hemlock
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My hopes and dreams, dashed!

fallow dome
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Well letā€™s get back on track. Iā€™d like to do pins for this channel so please post any information you think would be helpful for people new to these cores. Thank you!

drowsy hemlock
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Fine! eyes_squint

Ideas:

  • Something about how the old core is deprecated and people should use the new one?
  • how the old core is the only one that supports turbo but that YMMV since itā€™s a departure from OG hardware
  • how to remove the old core from your menu with a filter or whatever?
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Also something about how only certain versions of the combined lock on games work. I canā€™t remember the details but it caught me out

warm carbon
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We also have an updated version of the genesis core that supports the latest framework

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but it's not officially supported

drowsy hemlock
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Oh, and something about how the Mega Drive is better than the SNES because it supports blast processing

warm carbon
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Nintendon't Truthers

reef flame
kind quail
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Man alive is Desert Strike tough!

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But I'll be damned if it isn't a much better game than I thought.

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It's got resource management

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Strategy

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Graphics and sound are very satisfying

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Having a great time trying to play through it on this core

glad aurora
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Dude Desert Strike is super challenging

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Absolutely great game though! Jungle Strike and Urban Strike are really good too

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And then on PSX there is Soviet Strike and Nuclear Strike. Never played those though so I dunno how good they are or aren't.

fickle hemlock
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pretty good actually!

old sierra
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Desert Strike is well worth sticking out and completing, the final boss is Saddam!

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I loved the three Mega Drive Strike games but couldn't play the Saturn two, because the camera was way too close you can't see what is going on around you the way you can in the previous ones

glad aurora
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Saturn got Nuclear Strike?

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For some reason I thought it only got Soviet Strike

old sierra
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You are probably right, if it got one and Playstation got two

glad aurora
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I got a play those 32 bit ones at some point

fickle hemlock
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the camera is a bit tighter, you have to rely on a bit more hit and run and strafing since you can't really snipe as easily

fallow dome
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Oh shit I posted the pal box art

fading hare
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Proof that Robby is your pal.

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||In all the wrong ways! marioohno ||

glad aurora
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G-Police and Future Cop are related aren't they? or am i crazy?

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they seem so similar

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ah g-police is psygnosis now that i think about it

fallow dome
glad aurora
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was that also on ps1?

fallow dome
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Itā€™s neat, nothing special

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Also Future Cop L.A.P.D. isnā€™t immediately obvious thatā€™s itā€™s part of the Strike series since it doesnā€™t have the name. But the development name was Future Strike and it became its own thing.

glad aurora
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ah that's cool

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those old psygnosis ps1 games were cool.

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I played the crap out of one called Shadow Master.

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Also played the crap outta Sentinel Returns

drowsy hemlock
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I loved nuclear strike as a kid. Havenā€™t played it since though

glad aurora
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@fallow dome Hey here's another question for the all knowing Robby lol Have you ever seen the cool A.I. Translate feature retroarch has? It's not perfect by any means, but it's pretty impressive. I was able to complete, and fully understand what was going on in Belzerion on 3DO, has any of the MiSTer core devs considered impletenting an A.I. translate feature? Not sure how intensive it is CPU wise but it's pretty wild when it works well.

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also, obviously down the road, but hearing about Taki working on a next gen mister, could you imagine how sweet netplay would be? I got buddies who don't live in the same state anymore, to play these old games we used to play together again would be pretty wild across the internet.

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and maybe we'd finally see cores for NBA Jam, and Mortal Kombat 1,2,3. ok I'm done lol

fallow dome
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Youā€™re too kind but Iā€™m definitely not all knowing lol. I get corrected here a lot!

But to answer your question, a feature like that is currently not possible but maybe in the future on a successor board. The main issue is the processing overhead. The current arm processor on the de10 is very weak and being able to run the MiSTer framework + menu is currently taxing it.

glad aurora
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makes sense.

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That could be a really slick feature on whatever hardware comes next for the project.

plucky flare
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I would put that at like a less than 1% chance of happening. you have to round trip the whole video through the HPS. there's no way

glad aurora
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ah that sucks

kind quail
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Look deez games!!!

fallow dome
glad aurora
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Oh for sure

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I just love the MiSTer so much šŸ™‚

drowsy hemlock
fallow dome
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Up to emulating the 6th gen, I think the MiSTer is unbeatable. But if you want to do anything beyond the original hardware then software emulation will always be your best bet. And by that I mean higher resolution, texture replacing, adding accessibility options, etc. There are just some things that require leveraging the far higher horsepower of a modern processor that an FPGA can never match.

And thatā€™s awesome I think, because it helps people understand that one isnā€™t better than the other. It all depends on what you prioritize as part of your retro gaming experience,

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The core tenants of the MiSTer project are also perfectly suited to FPGA development because the priority is authenticity and accuracy, nothing more and nothing less. That clarity of vision ensures that the cores developed always prioritize the strengths of FPGA development, which is the ability to perfectly replicate hardware (logic elements and ram willing).

drowsy hemlock
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Occasionally I think PS1 games might benefit from higher resolutions, but Iā€™ve learned to embrace the original resolutions

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And thereā€™s a lot of mixing 2D and 3D, so things are more consistent at the original resolution

kind quail
compact plover
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The only thing that bothers me about 5th gen games, particularly the N64, is poor framerates, but with turbo cores that can be mitigated

drowsy hemlock
pallid meadow
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Hi guys. Yesterday I realized that there are 2 core supporting Mega Drive. Genesis core and Megadrive core. I wonder why there are 2, if there are any difference between two and maybe if one is suggested over another.

warm carbon
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The TL;DR:

The mega drive core is more accurate
The genesis core has turbo and adaptive composite blend

There are other differences but those are the big ticket items

pallid meadow
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thank you very much!

glad aurora
fallow dome
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I'll add that info to a pin, when I get around to setting this chat up

fallow dome
#

but for now that'll do!

fading hare
#

Robby is setting up secret chats!

fallow dome
fallow dome
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Look what they took from us!

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Human Sonic!

pine crystal
#

Well, it's definitely not a plumber.
He's wearing a tie...

tulip surge
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Is that Bart hair or is he fast paced royalty?

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Or jughead after a sammich

pallid meadow
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Not just human sonic!

fading hare
pine crystal
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Nightmare fuel...

manic ridge
drowsy hemlock
#

Sorg realised that ā€œMega Driveā€ was the one true name and then decided to fix things by killing off the ā€œGenesisā€ core šŸ˜

torn dome
#

and it got half way to having save-states so thatā€™s something

velvet mural
fading hare
fallow dome
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Iā€™m not a fan of this revisionist history!

fading hare
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Be like me and use that option in the update all script that changes the name of the core to Genesis and the old core to Genesis (old)!

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You could say that I nuked the Mega Drive name. smugnep

fallow dome
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I just used filters to remove the Genesis core and use name.txt to rename the MegaDrive core back to Genesis

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I only like revisionist history when I do it!

light mist
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The old core should be stripped off rgb/hdmi capabilities and only offer rf or composite

fading hare
#

Robby robbing himself of 30fps Road Rash. marioohno

torn dome
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iā€™m so american i call Mother 3 Eathbound 2

shut aspen
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i call it the ZEE ECKS Spectrum instead of the ZED ECKS Spectrum

torn dome
#

itā€™s ess enn eee ess not snezz you britbongs

drowsy hemlock
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Zed ecks, nez, snez

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Mega drive

torn dome
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Turbo-FX

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i love my concave lilac buttons and system that looks like a betamax crossed with a shoe box

drowsy hemlock
#

I only have a MiSTer elmorise

vital idol
faint onyx
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Nothing new though. It's still the same demo that was released in October 2024. Great port so far.

vital idol
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Bah, I was bamboozled?!

fallow minnow
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Alright, what are we playing on this fine Fri night? I decided on Sonic Spinball and no I'm not drunk.. yet..

full meteor
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Well, I'm currently playing Pac-Man World Rally (PS2), but that doesn't have anything to do with Sega. šŸ˜›

fallow minnow
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Never played that one

full meteor
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It's easily my favorite kart racer from the 6th console generation. šŸ™‚

hollow chasm
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Does the Genesis core (and the old Mega Drive core and related cores) not have direct video support? Are there any builds that do? I swear I remember it was working before...

carmine pine
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Direct video works for them. What's your signal chain like

hollow chasm
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My TV hates the DV Component output, so I go HDMI to VGA (using... a connector that I don't remember the make of) to SCART to Component (using the retrotink guy's Scart2Comp). Everything that works on DV works on that setup.

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I also have a VGA to SVideo/Component adapter, that doesn't work with the Genesis core either.

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I'm gonna assume it must be the HDMI to VGA convertor if everything else works and the core has DV (and my memory is wrong about it working in the past). Its the only consistent thing in either of my two chains.

pale plover
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Mega Drive definitely has DV1 support. Had no issues with it personally.

hollow chasm
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Bizarre. I assume you use a VGA to HDMI adapter. What one do you use?

pale plover
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No I just use HDMI and my Morph 4K.

hollow chasm
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Ah, gotcha.

carmine pine
hollow chasm
carmine pine
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nice!

pale plover
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Why hasn't the latest unstable Mega Drive core been promoted to stable yet? It's been many months already.

glad aurora
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I just make a separate folder for all the cores I use and use the "unstable" as my main

pine crystal
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What was the latest unstable Mega Drive core?

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Never mind... this appears to be it: #unstable-nightlies message

visual magnet
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Hi is there any chance to have overclock and save state function in future? thanks

plain quiver
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Not possible.

torn dome
visual magnet
fading hare
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Are we sure save states isn't possible in the way that Paul added them to SNES?

plain quiver
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Pausing the Nuked 68000 core is complex, at least I'm not sure at all in a same way as paulb-nl doing it on the SNES.
But I'd like to be proven wrong.

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When I started on the MiSTer project, the PS1 was a vague dream and the Saturn wasn't possible.

hard silo
idle yew
#

Would a version of the old genesis core with save states be more viable? Or has that fallen too far behind on other framework stuff?

fickle hemlock
#

its not that far behind - there's someone still compiling it with newer frameworks i think

surreal nebula
warm carbon
timber bear
#

anyone got the latest version of Final Fight MD so I can try it on the core?

fallow dome
timber bear
#

ok my bad. I thought these kinds of decompilations where allowed

fallow dome
fading hare
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If it's copyrighted at all, it's a no go. Just gotta play it safe, even if the likelihood of anything happening are really low.

fallow dome
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I'm no expert of course so we just try to minimize that kind of stuff. Talking about it is perfectly fine of course.

vital idol
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Yeah, but if you are ā€œitchingā€ to try it, it isnā€™t hard to find, as long as the latest version is from early last year.

cold prism
pine crystal
#

Is v0.8b still the latest?
Never mind. It appears to be. Just checked Mauro's Patreon.

cold prism
pine crystal
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Thanks!

frail jolt
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I lack a 32X so I cannot play it on my Genny but I wanna try this on the 32X core when my mister comes in (if it's possible)

warm carbon
#

I think @finite rapids played it for a video

finite rapids
warm carbon
#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODHIWQXQt2s

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frail jolt
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Awesome. Thank you!

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I've played SRB2 since 2005/2006 so seeing it on a 32X is mind blowing

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I remember a Dreamcast port from ages ago, but this is something else entirely.

fading hare
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I also played it on the core. It definitely runs about as well as you'd expect, but it's still impressive.

drowsy hemlock
fallow dome
#

I played it too, crashes sometimes and very low framerate

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Confident the final version will be fantastic

drowsy hemlock
plain quiver
#

That famous bug on Gynoug/Wings of Wor.

image.png
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I was playing the game for the first time since at least 20 years.

rotund bluff
jade turret
#

On real hw.

rotund bluff
#

Ah, thanks, mr "-"

jade turret
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I'm not one for usernames hehe

worldly dust
#

okay Mr. Dash

alpine parrot
livid spire
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Sorry, I don't think I was responding to you originally was I?

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What is your setup? I don't have NTSC myself, so might not be able to help

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Or even Australian TV's maybe that was about.... TV's that can conviently decode both PAL and NTSC colour spaces

alpine parrot
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no it wasnt to me but i was trying the same thing. my TV is NTSC lol

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in USA so i guess no dice. šŸ˜¦

desert leaf
#

Does this core support cheats?

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Booted sonic & knuckles, cheats option was faded out

fading hare
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It does. Some games might not have cheats. Or if you're using a rom hack, it likely won't have cheats either.

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Try some other games and see if there are cheats available. Might just be your Sonic & Knuckles rom.

pale plover
#

Try putting your ROMs in the SD card. External storage might trip up the cheats.

desert leaf
#

Gotcha, thanks!

quiet thicket
#

do non snac light guns work on sega cd core? seems the bullets are always far away from cursor even after in game calibrations. Is there a trick to get it working right? only tested the 2 mad dog games

fading hare
quiet thicket
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hmm ill give that a try.. area 51 on ps1 actually worked fine for me

lapis topaz
quiet thicket
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Thats the thing, crosshairs were dead on with sight on everything i tried on nes, snes, saturn, ps1, genesis until segacd where i tested a couple games and things were way off even after f10 calibration and in game... mario suggested the two games i tested have issues so ill try something else later but figured it was broken or something in core after initial results

limber pine
#

Speaking of, I really want to explore if I can eliminate dot crawl completely, so far what I have is pretty good but like, if the game's camera is in constant motion (like in Sonic Spinball) or you view the screen whilst shaking yor head, you can still observe it

I hope to eliminate that somehow completely~

fervent rain
#

Thanks for sharing! The issue I ran into before is that it seemed like turning on pal60 mode was all-or-nothing, when all I really wanted to test it with was Genesis. Someone mentioned maybe being able to write custom lines in the ini to only activate it for that system, but thatā€™s beyond my ability to intuit.

tulip surge
# 
+MegaDrive]
ntsc_mode=1```

Adding that to the end of your MiSTer.ini will enable PAL-60 for just megadrive and genesis cores
bright pivot
#

New color :p

bright pivot
#

I let you guess what's happening here ^^

fervent rain
pine crystal
#

Playing the Lunar Remastered Collection, it's hard to believe that I was playing the originals over 30 years ago. It doesn't seem that long ago. I bought every other version for almost every other platform throughout the years, but I have so many fond memories experiencing those for the first time on the Sega CD. Every version I play seems to instantly transport me back to that time.

fervent rain
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Ooh, a Lunar fan! Iā€™ve been wanting to get into that series for a while now but there are so many rereleases and remakes now. What are the best versions of the games to play, in your opinion?

pine crystal
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I'll always have a fondness for the originals on Sega CD (warts and all, namely the difficulty... but there are 'UnWorked Designs' improvement patches for those), but the PlayStation 'Complete' versions are generally excellent. Those are hard not to recommend... even though I think those were slightly more difficult than the originals, especially some of the boss battles.
However, the recently released Remastered Collection (on Steam, Switch, etc.) seems to have a little bit for everyone... original and widescreen modes, updated visuals, general QoL improvements, etc. Although, the new voice acting is a bit jarring if you're used to the original voice actors. The 'AI' upscaling of several of the visual elements seems a bit heavy-handed in some areas, and not applied enough in others.

fervent rain
fervent rain
prisma fiber
#

The Sega CD versions just hit different. Maybe itā€™s because I too originally played them when they first came out. Iā€™ve been replaying Lunar 2 for the last few years on MiSTer. It definitely is a Time Machine to my youth. I booted up Lunar 1 the other day it almost feels like a better vibe than the sequel. These games are still the best JRPGs ever created ā€¦at least to me. Still have the original physical releases sitting on my shelf.

light mist
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With lunar 1 I can see someone having different preferences, but L2? Wasn't that essentially a 1:1 remake (ignoring the WD changes)?

pine crystal
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Yeah, Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete on the PlayStation was essentially unmolested from the Sega CD version, aside from some obscure bug fixes and graphics updates if I recall correctly. It retained a lot of the 'balancing' and localization changes they made from before.

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It's funny... those games didn't seem that difficult to me on the Sega CD back then, even though that seems to be a major complaint with Working Designs' handling of them bringing them to North America compared to their Japanese counterparts. They just were what they were... and I loved them.

light mist
#

Well, the original was made harder due to the magic point currency stuff they used as a save currency. I guess unlocking skills by buying them instead of leveling up was the major difference between original and complete?

drowsy hemlock
#

A few of us in #1312772542091497472 were thinking about picking the first Lunar game as some kind of ā€œRPG of the quarterā€, where weā€™d play it at the same kind of time. Anyone would be very welcome to join us šŸ™‚

fallow dome
pine crystal
pine crystal
# fallow dome

Congrats. There's currently only a 3rd-party seller on Amazon... and it's available for a low price of $149... šŸ˜¦

image.png
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PS4 version simply not available...

fallow dome
pine crystal
#

I don't reward bad behavior.

vital idol
idle yew
#

Publisher has already said theyā€™re going to keep printing it until demand dries up, so donā€™t reward the fomo wraiths

fallow dome
#

cabbagepatchāš”ļøcabbagepatch

tulip surge
fading hare
vital idol
#

TouchƩ

amber gulch
drowsy hemlock
drowsy hemlock
pine crystal
#

Yes, they are based off the 'Complete' PlayStation versions.

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From what I've experienced so far, they do not appear to have altered the dialog much either. It still contains most of those cheesy '90s out-of-universe sayings and pop culture references... which is great (surely Ghaleon's love of Abba remains as well). šŸ˜‰

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Watching that comparison video, I feel a bit silly. It's the first time I actually noticed the depth of field blur they added to the foregrounds and backgrounds. I couldn't put my finger on what had changed while I was playing it... which tells me they did a good job with the effect.

amber gulch
#

Are the psx versions better than the original sega cd versios?

pine crystal
#

I would probably say they're better in more ways than they're not. They're just different... but in a good way.

amber gulch
#

In the RPG channel we'll play lunar one next month, arnhr demands we play the sega cd version.

pine crystal
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I don't think that's an unreasonable demand. šŸ˜‰

#

I'll always prefer the Sega CD versions.

drowsy hemlock
#

I donā€™t mind as long as people have fun smugnep

amber gulch
fading hare
vital idol
#

My sega cd lost its save game twice when trying to play through eternal blue. At least the psx memcards are a bit more resilient

drowsy hemlock
#

Shouldnā€™t be an issue on MiSTer šŸ˜Ž

amber gulch
kind quail
#

RPG channel???!!

drowsy hemlock
# kind quail RPG channel???!!

Itā€™s just a long-lived thread. Nothing ā€œofficialā€. Just a few of us hang out there and talk about games weā€™re playing

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#1312772542091497472

kind quail
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This discord is full of mysterious secrets

fallow dome
kind quail
#

This discord is an un-miserable pile of mysterious secrets

vital idol
kind quail
#

Excellent gif work as always Kevind

vital idol
#

Robby just removes the bad ones šŸ˜„

fading hare
kind quail
#

I started a secret/mysterious thread.

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It's hidden somewhere in the discord

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To find it you'll have to decipher a series of clues

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Each one more fiendish than the last

warm carbon
#

this isn't the 7th guest - this is real life

drowsy hemlock
velvet mural
#

It's been a while since I checked - has anybody integrated the XE1-AP module into a Sega core ?

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I wrote it a few years ago and integrated it into the PC Engine core, so the module itself is already written and tested - just needs to be "hooked up" to the controller input (and added as a potential controller type in the OSD...)

old sierra
#

I forgot all about this, I don't think it did, I also don't know if feature requests were raised so Sorg and srg320 were made aware of it

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Are the protocols in so it is supported on the Sega cores over SNAC?

velvet mural
#

I guess the question is... which of the many cores ?

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I guess it should be in S32X, MegaDrive, and MegaCD

dense bane
#

The 32x shouldnā€™t even fucking exist ..

velvet mural
#

OK, I made an issue for the MegaDrive core:

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That one supports the most games, and I expect that whoever puts it in one core will probably follow up in the others

amber gulch
drowsy hemlock
glad aurora
amber gulch
glad aurora
#

There's more to gaming than RPGs.

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But

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Guardian War

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Luciene's Quest

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And it's got some RPGs that never left Japan

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Immercenary has some RPG elements to it

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AD&D Slayer and AD&D Deathkeep are great dungeon crawlers also

drowsy hemlock
amber gulch
#

I count Japanese games if they have decent fan translations.

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I'm a RPG Adonis you must understand.

glad aurora
#

Yeah unfortunately we haven't got any.
But work has begun on a translation of Belzerion on 3DO

drowsy hemlock
glad aurora
#

There's a translation of a good tactical RPG called Battles Blues

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Hey if you play RPGs 99% of the time then yeah the 3DO isn't for you

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But I love just bout all genres so there was plenty for me on the 3DO to enjoy

fallow dome
#

3DO is a Trip Hawkins simulator

glad aurora
#

EA used to be good back when Trip Hawkins ran it

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He left...and EA went to shit

pine crystal
#

Agreed. That was their golden age... which at least lasted a decade, which was better than nothing.

fading hare
#

But the 32X does at least have a banger version of Virtua Racing.

glad aurora
#

32X had a pretty impressive port of Virtua Fighter also. Blackthorne is a great game as well.

The hardware wasn't the issue. It was the timing of it and due to its timing, lack of support.

Going for 2 add ons for a console was definitely a mistake. I loved my Sega CD as a kid, but I had no interest in a 32X because I just wanted a true next generation leap. 32X definitely can do more than what we've seen I'm sure.

Had the thing come out a year sooner, maybe it could've done better but never enough to be viable sadly.

pine crystal
#

Same here. I had zero interest in 32X, as much of a Sega fan that I was. Even after all these years, I've never purchased one.
I even completely failed to take advantage of Toys R Us practically giving the damn things away back then for around $50 plus 5 free games. They had a pile of them at the front of the store.

glad aurora
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My uncle got one at an EB games in 1996 for $19.99

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And the games were marked down to $5 a piece

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I remember he got Doom, World Series Baseball, Star Wars Arcade, Virtua Fighter and Virtua Racing. Was a great deal

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I was also (and still am) a diehard old school Sega fan boy. But I remember for Xmas of 1994 I opted to get a 3DO instead. Absolutely loved it. Came back to Sega with the Dreamcast when I was working. First console I bought with my own money.

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Then when I used an inflation calculator and released how much money my dad was spending on me every Xmas and all the overtime he'd put in during the holidays to make Christmas for my brother and I so awesome every year, back in 2019 I bought em a PS4 pro and a ton of games for Christmas

prisma hill
glad aurora
manic ridge
#

32X MKII arcade edition hack is possibly the best console version

fringe zodiac
#

And MK II >> MK I

warm carbon
#

I'll do you one better

MK II > All other MKs

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thanks for coming to my ted talk

plucky flare
#

I remember then MK3 came out and had that stupid run button

fading hare
warm carbon
#

Jump kick into flying kick until the heat death of the universe

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MK2 made roundhouses bad ass too

glad aurora
#

MK2 was and forever will be peak Mortal Kombat

torn fog
#

Trilogy is my favorite but there's no definitive version out there

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Except maybe the gog version which I haven't played

manic ridge
#

I tried it and it had some issue

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Don't remember what

#

The consensus seems PSX is the least janky?

fading hare
#

Probably the least janky, but the N64 version is usually the most popular version of MK Trilogy.

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Quick loading, proper Shang Tsung, OP Sub Zero, and crazy combos.

compact plover
#

But I never grew up with 2 so I don't have the nostalgia

glad aurora
#

Trilogy is definitely good too

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MK9 is decent for sure. I hated 10 and 11

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The characters just look so awful

compact plover
#

I think the guest characters are out of control too. It was fun when we had Freddy Krueger in MK9, but they went way overboard. I don't want Rambo in MK personally lol

glad aurora
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Yeah it's become the Royal Rumble essentially

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Just not a fan at all

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I'm also an old jaded bastard so who knows

compact plover
# glad aurora I'm also an old jaded bastard so who knows

I am a pretty big MK fan and like all the games through MK9 with exception to garbage like Sub-Zero Mythologies and Special Forces, but Mortal Kombat X and beyond just feel super corporate and souless to me so it's not just being jaded imo

glad aurora
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Yeah. Most of modern gaming feels very soulless to me

compact plover
glad aurora
#

I'm pretty much just locked into retro gaming. I like a few Nintendo games but I hate how Nintendo treats the retro community so I won't buy anything from them

compact plover
#

Fair. I've been waiting a quarter century for a new 3D DK game so I'm pretty excited about that

fading hare
#

I loved MK9. And absolutely hated MKX and MK11. The new MK1 is pretty good though honestly.

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What killed MKX and 11 for me was the variation systems those games had. Made learning characters an absolute chore. Just make one good version of Sub Zero. I don't want to choose between three variations of him, or have a ton of moves that I need to choose what to "equip" him with. That crap sucked in Smash Bros. for Wii U, and it sucked in MK.

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But it was far more pervasive and detrimental to the overall experience in MK than it was in Smash.

fallow dome
plucky flare
#

Big Baby Jesus

warm carbon
#

I bomb atomically

eternal sonnet
#

Is it normal (either on real hardware or just on MiSTer) to sometimes phase through the floor in the Special Stages and also for the whole game to be somewhat laggy in Knuckles' Chaotix?

livid spire
#

Regarding the Nuked-MD port core, is it full, or could some of the SMS2 modes be added?

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Just thought to ask, as it occured to me I had considered it to be "only" an implementation of what was added in the Nuked work, but then I noticed there is an FM sound option for SMS as it is. I don't think that would have been present, or possible on a Power Base Converter without heavy modification......

glad aurora
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Is it just me or is the volume low in the core? I have music playing at the main Mister menu and it thumps. In this core and others it just doesn't seem very loud and I checked all volume settings and they're maxed out

pale plover
glad aurora
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Good to know. I just wanted to make sure I didn't have a simple setting wrong

drowsy hemlock
glad aurora
#

What's everyone playing today? I'm trying to complete this at the moment

woeful goblet
glad aurora
#

What is the nuked mega drive core? What are the differences?

fickle hemlock
#

its a completely new much more accurate core, fixed some long outstanding bugs

glad aurora
#

Where can I obtain this at?

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Will we see one of these for Sega CD as well?

fickle hemlock
#

if you run update all its probably replaced your genesis core with it already

glad aurora
#

Ah awesome

fickle hemlock
#

probably wont see a segaCD variant on this hardware, the new core basically fills the fpga as is

glad aurora
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Ah

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There's a Genesis (old) 2/24/23 and a Genesis 4/08/24

fickle hemlock
#

wow has it been that long, yeah thats correct

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the (old) one is the ... old one obviously, its incase you really want to use turbo modes - new core doesn't have them

prisma hill
#

I thought it was Genesis (old core) and MegaDrive (new one)

fickle hemlock
#

names.txt is renaming it

prisma hill
#

ah ok

glad aurora
#

I wish there was a way to get the little OLED display to show the Genesis logo instead of the mega drive logo

stuck gull
#

did anyone actually play chuck rock on the new core? i'm playing it for the jokes and noticed on level 4 the water flickers a lot

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will give it a go on the old core to compare but videos on youtube don't seem to show the same behaviour

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it's quite distracting. thought it might be a bug

fallow dome
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Or find a video of someone playing it on a Genesis / MegaDrive

vital idol
#

that would mean someone bought chuck rock

stuck gull
#

even if it means playing more chuck rock i will take one for the team

stuck gull
#

well it's also happening on the old core fwiw

fading hare
stuck gull
#

seems to just be the game, maybe one of those phosphor glow effects that's not gonna work on modern tvs

vital idol
#

if I were to bet, I would say they are using flickering the water on and off to simulate transparency

stuck gull
#

yea

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looks like ass now but yeah

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it's visible in another longplay video i watched, just harder to see at lower res

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can see it here at the timestamp if you look carefully at the lower part of the screen

fading hare
#

Is that played on real hardware?

stuck gull
#

not sure, but i'm assuming it's not a bug now

fading hare
#

To me, it just looks like it's the dither pattern creating a flicker effect with the background imagery as it scrolls. Not an actual flickering of the water.

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Not many games used dithering to that degree over such a large space.

stuck gull
#

visible here too (claims to be real hardware)

stuck gull
fading hare
#

It might depend on the rate that the background scrolls though.

stuck gull
#

i'd be interested to know how it looks on a crt

fading hare
#

I forget if the Genesis or Mega Drive cores have composite blend. That would probably immediately make the flickering go away.

stuck gull
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it doesn't

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i use that by default

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turning it off doesn't remove the flickering either

livid spire
void eagle
#

Does the flickering show up in both PAL and NTSC? I think the game may not have been properly optimized for NTSC?

fringe zodiac
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Nice guess. Core Design is at least British thus possible. It could be an edge case though for improvement in the Composite Blend filter.

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We would need the PAL version hooked to a CRT via Composite To SCART to be sure šŸ˜Š

stuck gull
amber gulch
normal rivet
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Is Feb 21, 2025 the newest and best S32 core?

pine crystal
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Yes, that appears to be. I don't see a more recent version than the one that's pinned.

woeful goblet
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The last update broke it

glad aurora
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What happens in it?

eternal sonnet
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Because it does for me on MiSTer, but I've never played it on real hardware, so I don't know the baseline.

glad aurora
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I've never played the game in my life so I have no clue. I'll boot it up right now n try it

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Does it lag on a specific stage?

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First stage is playing just fine for me

eternal sonnet
# glad aurora Does it lag on a specific stage?

It lags almost anywhere, tbh, but "Marina Madness" and "Techno Tower" (had to look up those names since everything is just a "WOW, WE HAVE MORE COLORS NOW" fest rather then an actual place) are both quite laggy in MiSTer.

glad aurora
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When you say lag do you mean input lag? Or just slowdown?

eternal sonnet
glad aurora
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Ever watch a video of the stage on real hardware on YouTube to compare?

eternal sonnet
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...I somehow didn't think of that, and instead tried to use Ares to figrue that out, but that's way smarter.

glad aurora
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I'd do that n see first.

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The first state seems to play great as far as I can tell

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Seems like a cool game too

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I'm playing thru sonic CD at the moment trying to 100% it. I may give this a try after I finish sonic CD

eternal sonnet
glad aurora
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Likely some fixes will happen at some point then

glass shale
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Probably needs dual sdram elmorise

woeful goblet
normal rivet
pale plover
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I thought it was already fixed

woeful goblet
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There was a regression with the last update

warm carbon
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Doesnā€™t look like itā€™s been filed. Can you file it?

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The slowdown I mean

plain quiver
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Backport of the SH7604 changes on the Saturn core from the last 3 months :

  • SH7604: add support for undocumented mirror addresses for WDT;
  • SH7604: fix 16 byte transfer mode in DMAC.
woeful goblet
woeful goblet
woeful goblet
plain quiver
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I know, freezes between 8 and 12 rolling introductions on my MiSTer systems.
Speed seems better tough when I tested some levels.

woeful goblet
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Seens like this new build fixed MK2 slowdown. Itā€™s faster at my side now

fallow dome
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Should I do fancy pins here?

tulip surge
manic ridge
fading hare
dawn ginkgo
livid spire
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Seeing the recent Retrorgb video highlight SMS 3D glasses, I saw in the comments apparently there were some test cores for MiSTer. Anyone aware of these?

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Not sure if this is one or two different experiments. One by Grabulosaure adding on a parallax layer with support for modern 3D TVs (I think), but there was also mention of perhaps a different core that allowed for some kind of SNAC connection for the old SMS 3D glasses. Sounds very cool if anyone knows about it

vital idol
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@mighty wedge uploaded all of his 3d cores to his website: https://temlib.org/pub/mister/

if I remember the comment it was @hollow turtle talking about the Genesis core.

livid spire
vital idol
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Hdmi 3d TVs if I remember correctly. I think it uses the side by side mode so the tv has to support that.

livid spire
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I guess for ElectronAsh if you come seeing the ping, I saw your comment on the RetroRGB video noting some sort of SNAC core for SMS glasses adapter on a CRT. Is this public? How was the SNAC interface made to the 3D glasses?

hollow turtle
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This repo has the faux-3D code for Genesis...

marsh pantherBOT
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LR3D			: out std_logic;
hollow turtle
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I routed the Left/Right signal to one of the pins on the SNAC port.

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And designed a small dongle PCB to drive the old-style wired LCD shutter glasses via a 3.5mm jack.

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That was compatible with the original SMS glasses, and some other cheap-ish Asus ones you could find on eBay a while back.

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It was quite a while ago now, when I tweaked the Genny core for fake 3D.

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It basically just adds an extra amount of horizontal shift to the two background layers, to create the depth.

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(which of course swaps the shift amount, when displaying to each eye.)

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Due to the fairly low-res of the Genny core/games, it doesn't need much shift at all to get a decent depth effect.

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You could choose the amount of depth for each BG layer in the MiSTer OSD.

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It looks quite good on some games like Sonic, Space Harrier, Turtles etc.

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But breaks games like Outrun, since that game uses both BG layers to form the road.

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Grabulosaure then added support to output the 3D as a side-by-side image via ASCAL / HDMI, for newer 3DTVs.

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It does also mean that you only get 30Hz per-eye, so it's not super smooth.

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It would be possible to get 60Hz per-eye, but would need much bigger tweaks to the core.

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(means duplicating much larger chunks of the VDP, so it can generate both background images at 60 Hz.)

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This was so long ago now, I can't even find the Eagle project for the adapter dongle. lol

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We were looking at doing a SNAC DB9 adapter thingy, with the 3D glasses driver added.

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Which would have worked for SMS 3D, and Genny faux-3D.

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Prototype worked fairly well, but a fair few other people like Porkchop were doing good SNAC adapters by that point.

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I think Bob was one of the only people to actually test the Genny 3D thing. lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCQj9p1OQo8

YouTube
ElectronAsh
MiSTer Genesis core - Quick test of pseudo-3D mode (for 3D glasses)

This is a test core for a pseudo-3D effect (for 3D glasses) that I wanted to try years ago.

After seeing that Grabulosaure released versions of the NES and SMS cores for MiSTer, but with 3DTV support, I looked at doing a similar thing for the Genesis core.

(the NES and SMS already had games that were intended for use with the 3D Glasses, so th...

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I should probably do a capture when in 3DTV side-by-side mode at some point, so people can at least try it out more easily.

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We still have two LCD TVs in the house that support 3D, plus my projector.

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IIRC, the drawback of the SNAC adapter, is it meant one of the joypad buttons couldn't work at the same time as the 3D glasses.

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Basically, there were never enough spare IO pins on the DE10 for all the good stuff.

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(the "depth" of faux-3D on the Genny core doesn't change for Sprites. So the sprites are always on the same "plane" as the screen itself.)

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I should also mention - the test cores are so old now, they might not even work on an updated MiSTer.

teal shoal
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Is there an overview of the differences between the Genesis and MegaDrive cores?

drowsy hemlock
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Genesis: has turbo, adaptive composite blend, sprite limit removal - less accurate, no longer maintained

Mega Drive: more accurate, very few QoL options (composite blend on/off), still maintained

vital idol
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Thanks for the in-depth information!

fallow dome
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genesis ** š‚šØš«šž šƒšžšÆšžš„šØš©šžš« **

Patreon - [LINK]

(this coreā€™s developer is @srg320; please consider joining his Patreon to help support development)

teal shoal
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I was already using the MD core because I'm petty and insist on calling the system that in general, but I'm relieved to know it's actually more accurate.

fallow dome
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I used names.txt to rename the MegaDrive core back to Genesis lol

teal shoal
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What annoys me is things like the English Wikipedia page insisting on calling it the Genesis and rejecting any argument against doing that.

fallow dome
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Yeah itā€™s straight nostalgia for me, no other reason. MegaDrive was the original name, what most of the world called it, and itā€™s also the better name.

fallow dome
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genesis ** šƒšØš°š§š„šØššš š‚šØš«šž **

WIP Core Downloader - [LINK]
-# ā€Ž ā€Ž ā€Ž ā€Žā†³ follow instructions in link to automate downloading all work-in-progress cores

Manual Install:

  • Mega Drive - [LINK]
  • Mega CD - [LINK]
  • 32X - [LINK]
  • Latest MiSTer main (needed for MD+) - [LINK]

(Last Updated - May 27th, 2026)

teal shoal
blissful lagoon
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In all other wikipedia languages itā€™s Mega Drive, so all is good

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Time to get off the anglo saxon bandwagon

glad aurora
glad aurora
teal shoal
glad aurora
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almost 19 million sold in america. Next closet was Europe at 8 million

fallow dome
glad aurora
fallow dome
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genesis ** šˆš¦š©šØš«š­ššš§š­ šˆš§šŸšØ **

You must source your own games and they must be .md, .gen, or or .bin; DO NOT ask about it, DO NOT ask for it, and DO NOT ask where to get it.

Like the real hardware, this core supports Master System games, which must be .sms

To experience the Sega Channel Revival project on your MiSTer, read the following - [LINK]

What happened to the old Genesis core?

  • The old Genesis core was replaced by the more accurate MegaDrive core
  • Development has permanently ceased on the old Genesis core
  • Access the last old Genesis core release here - [LINK]
  • Be aware the old Genesis core may not work correctly and if there are issues they will not be fixed

(thanks to @earnest coyote for the Sega Channel core)

glad aurora
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Intresting.

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So the images are stored on the mister sd card then I'm guessing

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also nice to see 3DO is already there and ready to go for when that glorious day arrives

drowsy hemlock
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What did you call the Dreamcast, Exodus?

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(Cos it helped them Exodus the hardware market)

glad aurora
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The Dreamcast was perfectly fine. It was prior mistakes that Doomed Sega and the Dreamcast before it was even launched.

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Such as destroying consumer confidence with stuff like the 32X

drowsy hemlock
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I loved the Dreamcast

narrow panther
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Me too

glad aurora
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Dreamcast is easily one of my all time favorite consoles.

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It deserved a better fate

drowsy hemlock
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Its star shone too bright šŸ˜¢

glad aurora
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but I also loved the 3DO and think it deserved a better outcome, but pricing of the console due to the business model doomed it from the start

drowsy hemlock
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3DO was kinda before my time

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Oh no, it wasnā€™t

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It just flopped so hard I hadnā€™t heard of it back then šŸ˜‚

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Iā€™d heard of the Jaguar, but never saw one

glad aurora
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I think the Jaguar was absolute garbage (no offense to Jag fans, I'm sure it has a fun game or two)

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At least the 3DO had a decent amount of good games.

drowsy hemlock
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I assumed both had likeā€¦ 3 good games

glad aurora
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there's plenty of good games on the 3DO

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Jaguar, probably Doom, Wolfenstein, Alien Vs Predator

drowsy hemlock
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Iā€™ll wait for the cores to hit stable and then give them a spin

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(Or at least sufficiently stable)

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Both will require me getting more storage for my MiSTer though. My external ssd that I use for it is pretty full

glad aurora
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3DO, play Slayer, Deathkeep, Space Hulk, Shock Wave, The Horde, Immercenary, Icebreaker, Need For Speed, Crash N Burn, Captain Quazar, Guardian War (if you like strategy games) FIFA Soccer, and you'll see the 3DO was quite a good machine.

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Total Eclipse is a lot of fun too

drowsy hemlock
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Thanks for the list. Saved

glad aurora
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I own almost the complete 3DO library, I know I'm missing a few other great games but my brain is shot right now.

drowsy hemlock
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Iā€™m sure @finite rapids will no doubt spam us all with endless videos about it once the core is being tested

glad aurora
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and I'll be watching them all lol

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I try not to be a "fan boy" but when it comes to Sega and 3DO I can't help it

drowsy hemlock
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Youā€™re in the right place

glad aurora
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at the end of the day, i just love video games. I think it's the greatest and most enjoyable hobby to ever exist (at least for me)

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I think the majority of modern gaming is absolute crap, so the Mister project is an absolute godsend to me

livid spire
# hollow turtle That was compatible with the original SMS glasses, and some other cheap-ish Asus...

That sounds amazing! Somehow I've never heard of this before at all. Lots of videos I've seen with the occasional nod to the dream of 3D glasses support on MiSTer, I'd no idea it could (and had already) been done!
If that could be added to the SMS and/or Mega Drive cores, it would be great.
I've no building skills, but any path to get the SNAC adapter and I'd love to buy one and test it out, I've the hardware here for it. CRT, and some of those cheap-ish glasses that came from SMS YouTuber recommendations.

fallow dome
torn dome
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saw some talk about what did or didnā€™t doom the Sega hardware line

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yā€™all not heard about how Tom Kalinskiā€™s deals with retailers was what caused all this?

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not the saturn, 32x, cd, nothing

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just a bad deal for shelf space for the American Genesis

glad aurora
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You don't think abandoning the 32X in like 6 months damaged consumer trust?

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Or cutting the Saturn less than 3 years after release in America and basically disappearing for a year?

pine crystal
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It wasn't just one thing. It was several factors... most of which have just been listed.

glad aurora
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I think those r hurt far more than shelf space personally

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Kay Bee Toys lost Sega products not because of Sega, but because they broke street date multiple times and did it with the Dreamcast too

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They did it in the mall I worked atšŸ˜€ (I was a software etc manager at the time) and we turned em in

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I remember our Sega rep told us it was a nation wide issue with them always breaking street dates

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So Sega stopped selling their product to them

pine crystal
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The mere existence of the 32X, with the public knowing full well the Saturn was just around the corner, and the horrible launch of the Saturn in North America. Sega of Japan and Sega of America almost completely at odds at the time regarding how to handle that console.
Yes... consumer trust was damaged big time.

glad aurora
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I think pretty much everywhere except Walmart sold Sega stuff

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Launching the Saturn early was also ridiculous

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Should've launched in September, and they'd have had a stronger launch lineup plus more time to work on stuff

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I know some like to lump the Sega CD in there too but I don't. It had over 200 games released and had a 3 year run so that's not that bad.

torn dome
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no one cared when the exact same thing happened with Virtual Boy

glad aurora
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Nintendo has ALWAYS gotten a pass

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for whatever reason

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they release hardware a year later the way it should've been released the first time and people praise them

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I worked during these products being out and the consumer reception to Sega was vastly different

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and anyone who dropped $159 on the 32x, and $60 on the games only to see that investment abandoned 6 months later felt pretty jipped

torn dome
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what killed sega was having millions of unsold genesis hardware and software units.

units they were contractually obligated to hold for the retailers who didnā€™t want to stock anything but nintendo.

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all profits SoA made in 91-93 were utterly wiped out by the buy backs retailers made in 94

glad aurora
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That doesn't affect a horrible Saturn launch line up though or the goofy decision to release it early.

torn dome
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doesnā€™t matter

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no one cared

glad aurora
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you're righ

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nobody cared

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thats why nobody bought the saturn

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In comparison to the Genesis/Mega Drive anyways

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Plenty of people traded in their 32X for pennies and we're done with Sega

torn dome
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the absolute prestige of the sony brand completely won over the media and developers.

yā€™all told sega fans that Battle Arena Toshinden was the real shit

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sega could have sold it cheaper, and sony could undercut

glad aurora
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even if you go back and read old gaming mags, Sega was always treated differently than Nintendo, and Sony

torn dome
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the sheer size difference between the corporate entities is mind blowing

glad aurora
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For sure, Sony could lose money forever in the gaming world and it didn't even dent them

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But a ton of poor decisions that Sega made, hurt the Dreamcast when they were finally doing just about everything right.

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I skipped the Saturn myself because I didn't trust Sega after the 32X

torn dome
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even nintendo would have fallen if it werenā€™t for the almost impossible good luck of having a video game magazine make the worldā€™s biggest franchise- then making it exclusive to their platform

glad aurora
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I didn''t play a Saturn till like 2005 i think

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and i think it's great, and deserved a better outcome

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I got a Dreamcast on launch day, because following them up to it's launch, it seemed like they finally got their shit together again

pine crystal
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I didn't get a Saturn until well after the model 2 was released... and it was one of my biggest regrets. To this day it has been my least used console.
I enjoyed the hell out of the Dreamcast though.

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But I didn't purchase a Saturn early on for similar reasons.

glad aurora
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once you explore the Saturn's Japanese library...man

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the japanese library is amazing

pine crystal
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I simply had no compelling reason to.

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Great... but I shouldn't have to import titles to enjoy something. I base my opinions on what I can easily purchase (and understand) here where I actually live.

glad aurora
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oh i agree 100%

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They screwed up leaving so many great games in Japan

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I'm more saying now, here in 2025 if you do want to explore the Saturn, check out its japanese library.

torn dome
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again none of this matters. retailers stocked nintendo on nintendos terms until they did the same for sony.

sega america begged, borrowed, wheeled and dealed for shelf space and only achieved a potemkin profit model

pine crystal
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If anything, it only enhanced my growing lack of confidence in Sega to release compelling titles that Western audiences actually wanted. So I gave up and never looked back. Lesson learned.

glad aurora
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I was in the same boat back then

torn dome
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQPFKMx21Sk&pp=ygUVZGVhdGggb2YgYSB0aXRhbiBzZWdh

YouTube
PandaMonium Reviews Every U.S. Sega Saturn Game
Sega FY 1997 ā€” The Slow Death of a Titan

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/pandamoniumnick
Ko-fi: https://ko-fi.com/pandamoniumnick

This video was re-uploaded after a copyright dispute. It is not monetized.

So what exactly "killed" Sega? The troubling thing about this question is it really cannot be answered in a single video. What can be said is they lost quite a bit of money through...

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glad aurora
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I jumped onto the PS1 bandwagon and it was full steam ahead

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I've watched it

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it's a great video

torn dome
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if youā€™re got the time, watch.

glad aurora
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Watched it the day it debuted

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loved it

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his videos are fantasic

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his virtua cop video, and sega rally video are also amazing.

pine crystal
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Retailers make decisions such as available space based on previous sales... and Sega's market share had been declining for years. The market had spoken. Retailers make space available for things they can actually sell.

glad aurora
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If sony had never entered the market, and it was just Saturn Vs N64, I always wonder how that would've played out

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If Sony doesn't enter the market, I'd imagine the 3DO probably lasts another year

pine crystal
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Sega could have had entire aisles dedicated to their consoles and titles, but if the public wanted something else instead, it wouldn't have mattered.

glad aurora
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but probably still suffers the same fate in the end

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I've been reading old gaming mags, like Game Pro, EGM, and Next Generation, and reading them today, it's wild to see how they treated Sega compared to Nintendo, and Sony when they entered

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the blatant favortisim is crazy

pine crystal
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Rampant piracy on the Dreamcast certainly didn't help matters either. With the PlayStation 2 release just a year later, it didn't stand a chance. Sony had already established itself as a dominant player. Didn't have to be a seer to know how much the PS2 was going to continue that trend.

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Just a series of missteps that Sega could never recover from.

glad aurora
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Let me tell ya...

pine crystal
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He covered it quite well, I thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL9l2Z7sh2g

YouTube
Gaming Historian
SEGA's 3 Biggest Mistakes

Sega saw a meteoric rise in the video game market share during the early 90's. By 2001, they were no longer making hardware. How can you fall so hard, so fast? Let's take a look at Sega's 3 Biggest Mistakes!

E3 1995 video provided by Anthony Parisi - https://youtu.be/Op5EkC7GbxQ

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glad aurora
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i saw this first hard

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the hype over the Ps2 was insane

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The stupid rumours about it like "it was military grade tech" and all this other dumb shit we heard was so dumb

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but people bought it up

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the mere announcement of the PS2 killed the Dreamcast.

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here's my personal favorite ...

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I was showing these guys NFL 2K1 at my store one day...

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and they were like "Nah, I won't even play it" so i asked why

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their response "It's not Madden"

pine crystal
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The decision to make it a DVD player was brilliant, too... just like the PS3 with Blu-rays.

glad aurora
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So I say, how do you know Madden is better?

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Response "It's Madden"

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had to just sigh n walk away

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people unwilling to even give anything a chance

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just brutal

pine crystal
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I was genuinely sad to witness all that happening with Sega, because I was truly a Sega fanboy during the Genesis era. I wanted to see them succeed.

glad aurora
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As was I

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I'm still a diehard Sega fanboy and always will be, but I also gotta acknowledge their boneheaded decisions as well

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I had my Genesis and i loved it, I loved my Sega CD too

torn dome
pine crystal
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The Saturn being what it was here in the US, I never wanted to totally give up on them... which is why I bought a Dreamcast on release. But I could see the writing on the wall with the impending release of the PS2, so I never got too heavily invested in the Dreamcast ecosystem (not that there ever really was one).

torn dome
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the usual things youtubers point to make great flashy thumbnails that get clicks. but it the nuts and bolts of retail logistics and capital investment that doomed their plans

pine crystal
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Doesn't mean it's not true. More than one thing can be true... and just because he left what you consider to be their biggest mistake off his list doesn't invalidate the other reasons he chose to include and focus on.

glad aurora
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Sega had a huge sports following with the Genesis. Nowhere to be found on the Saturn

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Streets of rage? Nowhere to be found

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Sonic...nowhere to to be found. Enhanced Genesis port of 3D Blast ain't cutting it.

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Those were all massive blows to the Saturn in America

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Sony launched with their own in house sports lineup of pretty solid games that drew those gamers away from Sega

torn dome
glad aurora
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PlayStation hit with great sports titles too and that's a huge deal in America

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Hell my 3DO has a better sports lineup than the Saturn

torn dome
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ultimately as much as i dunk on toshinden, it was good enough to wow early adopters

glad aurora
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Because it was great eye candy

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From selling TVs for years...the quality TVs don't get attention

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It's the ones set to torch mode that do

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Toshinden was a TV set to torch mode lol

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Super pretty at first but the more you really look at it...it's not actually very good at all

torn dome
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the kids knowledge on things he cares about sure

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but when it comes to sega heā€™s no different to lady decade,

glad aurora
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Those things mentioned certainly did them no favors though.

pine crystal
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No worries. Not going to argue. I only know what ultimately caused me not to purchase... and those reasons just happen to coincide with what I observed and felt at the time.

glad aurora
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Oh god don't ever mention Lady decade lol

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She's the biggest clown

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Sega sent out these VHS tapes promoting the Saturn I remember getting one in the mail

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It was so stupid

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It literally made me not want one šŸ˜‚

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I went with a 3DO instead and while it didn't last, I did enjoy the hell out of it and in the end, personal enjoyment is what matters

pine crystal
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I had a 3DO long before the Saturn... which is probably another reason why the Saturn never seemed all that compelling.

glad aurora
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The 3DO is super underrated

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Some really fantastic games on that thing.

pine crystal
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Especially for its time.

glad aurora
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Exactly

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Seeing Crash N Burn in 1993 was mind blowing

pine crystal
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Yep!

glad aurora
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Road Rash was a generational leap over the Genesis

pine crystal
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I think the only title I ever spent any considerable amount of time with on the Saturn was Dragon Force.

glad aurora
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I played the ever living fuck outta AD&D Slayer

pine crystal
glad aurora
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I also played a ton of DOS games during this time too so I felt pretty set as a kid

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3DO needed more killer at arcade ports to hang their hat on to justify that price

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Ports of MK1 and 2, NBA Jam would've helped a ton

glad aurora
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Oh and Immercenary

torn dome
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wild going back to sonic two and remembering how as a kid I noticed there was something really weird with the graphics

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the interlaced flicker

left elk
left elk
# torn dome just a bad deal for shelf space for the American Genesis

as a kid / consumer of that era i never heard of self space issues. what i did notice was my genesis games looked and sounded worse than my snes games. and my sega cd had only a few games worth playing and as soon as i heard about the 32x (magazines) it was basically canceled already. playstation came out and bodied the saturn

left elk
left elk
left elk
torn dome
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hate to break it to you but the best 3 games of the year saturn & playstation launch were on saturn

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but sony gave a bigger cut of the sales to retailers

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so guess what retailers pushed

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again, this is macro economics vs gamer minutia

fallow dome
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genesis ** š‘šžš¦š¢š§ššžš« šØš§ šš®š š¬ **

If youā€™re seeing issues in games then do the following:

  • Ensure you have the latest core by downloading it from the pins - [LINK]
  • Double check you donā€™t have multiple versions of the core and delete older ones.
  • Check your core config to make sure everything is set to default or simply delete your config and try again.
  • Test against real hardware (if you can) to make sure itā€™s not a bug with the original game/hardware.
  • If youā€™re playing a fan-made patch, then check the original game first as patches may introduce new bugs.
  • Finally, look on GitHub to see if the issue was already reported
    • Mega Drive/Genesis - [LINK]
    • Mega/Sega CD - [LINK]
    • 32X - [LINK]

(these cores are mature enough where most issues are already known and anything else is likely a bug with the original game/hardware or youā€™re doing something wrong)

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Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter 2 & Sega Rally

fallow dome
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Holy shit those are three all time classics.

torn dome
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in a single holiday shopping period

fallow dome
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Thatā€™s incredible

torn dome
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Bear in mind this is the first Christmas that Mum and Pop are going out to buy a new console if they are at all.

The price of the Saturn and the PlayStation are exactly the same

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and the amount of people who expressed interest in a Saturn only to have the retail of push them towards getting a PlayStation with ridge racerā€¦

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happened to my gramps in 96

fallow dome
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ā€˜96 I was all about the N64. I mean I liked Sega but I wasnā€™t interested in the Saturn. Then in ā€˜97 I realized the N64 has no games and FF7 marketing worked on me.

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I think I wouldā€™ve liked or wanted a Saturn if there was a 3D Sonic for it.

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Sonic Adventure completely sold me on the Dreamcast,

drowsy hemlock
torn dome
pine crystal
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FFVII was the system seller for me. I pre-ordered the game, then when I went to pick it up, I bought a PS1.

left elk
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could be wrong on mk but maybe not. pretty sure i got 3 games.

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so itā€™s kinda splitting hairs on launch titles. virtua cop is cool. virtua fighter 2 you have to like 3d fighters if sibstitute mk3 in its place just because mk was my preference and also bigger in north america where i live. ridge racer vs sega rally is a toss up. cars in 3d go brrr. if anything they were tech demos

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in hindsight thatā€™s actually a weak launch by sega

pine crystal
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The thing is, none of those three (Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter 2 & Sega Rally) were launch titles for the Saturn, in North America or Japan... so not sure what you're talking about.

left elk
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sony was brand new to gaming and basically went blow to blow. n64 dropped a year later with mario 64 and shadows of the empire

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sega splitting with the new comer isnā€™t impressive

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i just googled saturn launch titles. yeah this guy was way off. but in reality the actual launch titles are more impressive

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daytona, panzer dragoon, virtua fighter 1

pine crystal
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Yeah...

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Reality Distortion Fields must be used with extreme caution. šŸ¤£

left elk
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he probably just never owned one

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like i can recall 90 years later what i got for xmas in 1995 lol

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that christmas was fucking lit

pine crystal
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90? Wow!

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That's impressive.

left elk
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old

worldly dust
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Oh hell yes

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I wonder how those Teradrive and Amstrad Sega computers output MD games

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plain quiver
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Inside a TeraDrive.

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drowsy hemlock
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(I bet Dolch already has like 20)