Sega Mega Drive/CD/32X

[vivid wharf]

For all things related to the Mega Drive and its add-ons

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/PygAPyx353g

Upcoming MD+ hack

I really wish these patches would come out dual MD+ and MSU-MD, it's going to be like pulling teeth to get MD+ implemented on MiSTer because of political issues at this rate..

[vivid wharf]

This got me curious about how Streets of Rage sounds. I don't know if I like the MD+ hack. Some things are missing, like in the round clear screen.

https://youtu.be/Seyx4HmZvds?t=247

https://youtu.be/bMsBkXGDix4?t=301

Still, it would be pretty neat to have the option one day.

[brittle geyser]

og soundtrack was definitely better imho..

[brittle geyser]

md+ hack could be done "quite easily" using MegaCD as the pcm decoding is already written but as always it would need someone with the right skillset and desire..rare combo

[viscid gyro]

How is the 32x core now days? Can you save on Knuckles Chaotix yet?

[west sable]

Streets of Rage 2 has an MSU-MD version btw

[graceful edge]

Hmm, it has always been there, meaning it is present (referring to Round Clear). Perhaps the enhanced one taken from SoRR sounds too Genesis-like to your ears?
edit all the tracks were taken from SoRR, btw.

unless, I am misinterpreting your statement?

[vivid wharf]

I think you might have. What I am saying is that it sounds like the first few notes in the Round Clear screen in the MD+/SoRR version are either missing or are too faint.
I'm not sure what you mean by it possibly sounding too 'Genesis-like' to me because I am in fact comparing it to the original, or at least how the original game sounds in the second video.

[dry spindle]

Can’t admit to hearing, or rather not hearing, missing notes in the SoRR arrangement. The only major difference between the two is that the original stage theme keeps playing until the stage clear theme triggers. The MD+ version cuts off the stage theme so there’s a gap between it and the round clear theme. There probably should have been a fade applied so the stage theme kept going until round clear triggered, but it’s not a big deal, really.

[shell compass]

New build for 32x dropped with load/save support!
#unstable-nightlies message

Anyone tried this yet? Looking forward to finally being able to save my lap times and the unlocked mirror mode in Virtua Racing Deluxe (JP)

USA version unfortunately was stripped of save feature which is insane with the game based solely on improving lap/race times. If anyone plays that, make sure its the JP original!

[shell compass]

I thought mega drive and mega CD already supported saving

[simple apex]

IIRC they support SRAM but not EEPROM, so EEPROM games need patches

[shell compass]

ah okay. havent played many games on the genesis that required saving

[viscid gyro]

That is awesome, I can finally save Knuckles Chaotix!

[lyric tusk]

Snatcher🔫
Ide on how to hook up my JUSTIFIER to the Sega CD core. Can’t find a 2 player Sega SNAC adapter? Is it possible to plug a USB controller as player 1 and SNAC (Justifer) as player 2. This is the set up on original hardware. Somebody with experience?

[west sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyR1ZZSHlo

[west sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTEsEGmKJik

https://i.imgur.com/trmSmrp.gif

[shell compass]

seems doom 32x resurrection's issues on the core were resolved some months back. gonna load that up and verify today

[lyric tusk]

Where did the music go? One was a banger. Can someone link again?

[lyric tusk]

This is it

[old river]

Cyborg Justice is one of my favorite lesser-known Genesis games but it looks and feels like a half-done prototype. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPRXv-e9IE

[old river]

It would be fun to see a rom hacker polish it up and make it the proper Robot Streets of Rage it's supposed to be. Finish the UI, simplify the controls, that sort of thing.

[shell compass]

You can play Devil Crash MD with Thunder Force II music by putting in the passwords "OMAKEBGM00" through "OMAKEBGM04". Cool little inclusion

[shell compass]

Figured it probably doesn't work, but worth asking I guess.. does the massive Sega Channel demo rom work on the MiSTer core? Seems its like 80mb in size:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Y9sZFvNZw&t=4s

asking because the new Game Sack video brought back a lot of memories.. it was one of my only experiences with the Genesis in the 90's:
https://youtu.be/Zt8G28JDavY

Besides that I rented a genesis from blockbuster for a weekend, with Sonic.. and didn't really think it was all that good. Also tried Sonic CD at a buddies place for a bit, which was a bit more intriguing because of the CD audio and effects in the game, but still really didn't do much for me.

[abstract remnant]

My neighbor had a Sega Channel and I was always so jealous

[shell compass]

It was really neat! my friend on the east coast had it and that was my first "online" console experience of any kind. tried comix zone, sonic spinball and some x-men games for sure, but dont remember any others we played on there

[west sable]

Mega Man: The Wily Wars got relgated to the Sega Channel instead of a physical release in the US

[shell compass]

No I would have to delete other things to fit that on my SD card currently..

[tulip surge]

it loads direct to flicky

[limber pine]

Might as well put this here:

Soo I happened to find this beta for a Genesis-core with a Smart Adaptive Blend, more streamlined CPU Turbo ("Blast Processing") and FM Overclocking :

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=41511#p41511

Has a more developed adaptive blending )Smart Blend) (though still in alpha):

• In Sonic 1, the Smart Blending via "Enabled"-setting (instead of "Composite", or "Transparent"), has both the transparency effects for Shield-pickup and the waterfalls render properly together while keeping the sharp pixels. Dithering's looking pretty seamless too in Ecco The Dolphin

• However, in Sonic 2 the blending seems to bit hit or miss - the palm trees blend correctly but the waterfall and bushes on Emerald Hill Zone doesn't seem to work. And in Sonic Spinball the dithering pattern for the toxic slime is pretty glitched.

Also FM Overdrive stuff but maybe someone else is more expert in that area

[shell compass]

That's my feelings about the current blend in general. What it does to text makes it pretty much unusable in any game that requires even minor reading

[pale plover]

Apparently a new stable build of the SEGA 32X core just dropped.

[limber pine]

Pretty much - was looking if the dev for this core was around but he seems to have vanished?

[pale plover]

Adaptive blend would probably be more consistent if it prioritized one sprite layer so the algorithm has less things to guess at a time.

Thing is the amount of dithering used depends on the context, as some games benefit more from the background layer blending more than the foreground layer, or vice-versa.

I don't know how the adaptive blending exactly works, so I could be wrong about something.

[fallow dome]

Or alternatively we can embrace the dithering

[fallow dome]

Oh nice 32X core updated

Oh it's incorporating the release from 4/17

[dense bane]

Sooooo… web of shadows … what a game ..

[west sable]

Why you do this to yourself taco

[west sable]

Knux seemed a bit glitchy on the title demo before too

[pale plover]

I'll have to check that out, because I remember that it only happens once on the first boot.

Maybe a glitch with RAM?

[dense bane]

Weird

Gonna check out Knux next

[west sable]

That rubber band mechanic is so weird

[dense bane]

Word

And there’s hardly any enemies at all

It’s more like the stage is your enemy

[pale plover]

I found a work around for the glitch. All you need to do is set the ROM Storage setting to "DDR3".

So yeah, it does sound like it's related to the RAM.

[dense bane]

Got obscenely far .. like no regular human could stomach re starting those levels .. multiple times ..

Jam still doesn’t save .. bummer

[pale plover]

Currently playing Tempo and Zaxxon's Motherbase 2000

[dense bane]

Think that got fixed with the latest release

[old sierra]

A mate just sent me this pick from window of CEX in Dalston (East London)

Madness... absolute madness...

Although I saw an unboxed SNES in the CEX window here yesterday for £120, so prices are just getting more insane for things that aren't even rare

[fallow dome]

Sell your MiSTer and buy it

[old sierra]

TBH it's the one game I've been really wanting to play on the 32x core because I refused to buy it when the game was going for like £40, which wasn't even that long ago

Sounds like it's still not working properly though

[fallow dome]

Maybe it never worked properly

[finite rapids]

Or give me half the value, I’ll kick you square in the crotch and you’ll still have more fun

[west sable]

The rubber band physics are weird

[limber pine]

What are chances for this core to get save states?

[fallow dome]

Moderate to slim. SRG320 is the one working on it and he's tackling other projects like Saturn and Battletoads arcade.

[limber pine]

I see~

[west sable]

Save states are for the weak.

Just suffer as these old games intended!

[fallow dome]

or just pause the game and don't turn off your MiSTer like in the good ole days

[old sierra]

We still don't have cheats for this one, wonder what the hold up is there as that seems to be quite straight forward for other cores to have had added

[west sable]

Cant you build your own cheats from that one website

Oh, wait you mean core support

[old sierra]

Yeah, the core doesn't support the cheats yet but they are all sitting in a MiSTer pack ready to be picked up by the downloader script when they are supported

[limber pine]

Huh, I remember using cheats myself on this core though, am I missing something?

[old sierra]

On 32x?

[limber pine]

Aaahh -then nvm

[fallow dome]

https://gamehacking.org/mister/

[old sierra]

I wonder if it is a space issue at this point in development, anyone know how much space it takes adding in cheats to a core?

[finite rapids]

doing some 32X capture. fun stuff

[fallow dome]

@neat locust with the 🫂 reaction lmaaao

[finite rapids]

lol took me a second to even realize what they reaction was

[fallow dome]

Thank to MiSTer I went from thinking the 32X was a waste of time to enjoying some pretty cool games on it.

[finite rapids]

I always forget how much Chaotix ISNT good

[night cape]

The Japanese version of Virtua Racing Deluxe saves trophies and records.

Win all races to unlock Mirror Mode.

[fallow dome]

I mean if I had paid full price for it back in the 90s I’d probably be pissed but looking at it now with minimal cost to me it’s really cool

[fallow dome]

Yeah, it’s an awesome port, same with Virtua Fighter. Shame it didn’t do better, we could’ve gotten more awesome games from Sega

Sorry, there isn’t enough space in the frame buffer for double resolution.

[finite rapids]

is cosmic carnage running poorly cause its the game or the core? been years

[fallow dome]

It’s the game

[finite rapids]

thats what I thought

but I havent played it in near to a decade probably

[fallow dome]

There’s a Virtua Hamster prototype that might be interesting to show off

I never played it lol

[finite rapids]

I am doing OG Doom this time around

last time I did the mod

I will explain in the vid why I chose Doom proper; if there is a something noticeable in a game is it the core or the mod? thats always the question

but I will say "I know X exists" so I dont get a sea of comments saying "you know Resurrection exists right"?

[night cape]

Show Ressurection briefly too.

[old sierra]

@earnest coyote is the man to ask about Pico

[earnest coyote]

Sorry, life has been insanely busy 😬

I made some good progress over winter and then I've been in housing hell ever since

[finite rapids]

@fallow dome @neat locust what do we think?

thats what I was feeling too

but the VF thumbnail made me laugh

[old sierra]

Sorry to hear that, hope your housing situation picks up, that's never fun

[earnest coyote]

It's not so bad as it is time consuming

[pale plover]

Use the Virtua Fighter one

[finite rapids]

I ended up with Chaotix because I like the colors better

poppier

[old sierra]

That's the one game that doesn't work properly

[earnest coyote]

What's broken on Chaotix?

[old sierra]

There was some discussion here yesterday about it, haven't tried myself as holding out for it working properly

#1096614378968727652 message

[earnest coyote]

Ah, that's too bad

[night cape]

VF image have sound.

[torn dome]

So has anyone spotted gameplay changes from the latest update

[pale plover]

Nothing is wrong with Knuckles' Chaotix.

[dense bane]

Start screen messes up in the beginning but can be easily fixed with a soft reset

[fallow dome]

My favorite is the VF one but honestly the Knuckles one will get you more views

No one knows what Tempo is but most people know Sonic and angry polygonal man while hilarious, doesn't seem like it would entice more than Sonic

Probably educate a bunch of people too, I don't think Knuckles Chaotix is that well known?

[night cape]

Star Wars Arcade locked up once during one of the demo scenes, after some loops. The one that shows a ship leaving a bigger ship.

Virtua Fighter Demo ends before the music.

[finite rapids]

Yes Chaotix will draw the most eyes and I do enjoy the colors the most

[dense bane]

Did you know you can change the camera in Vf during a fight ? There’s three different camera angles ..

[finite rapids]

I’ve seen it before. Interestingly Battle Tryst on the Konami / 3DO M2 has the same feature and I don’t know of other games that do?

[dense bane]

No clue , besides VF and the game you mentioned

[finite rapids]

Nobody knows battle tryst. Dumb rare arcade exclusive game and I know of maybe 5 boards left in existence

[dense bane]

Have you done a video on it ?

[finite rapids]

Battle Tryst - Retro Revamp Rewind - 3DO M2
https://youtu.be/4N8PGghp8ks

Yep. I have the board in my collection

[dense bane]

At first glance it looks kinda like tobal

I’ll have to check out during work out time tomorrow

[pale plover]

Did you make sure the ROM Storage setting is set to DDR3?

I found that using the internal RAM causes issues with 32X games.

[shell compass]

Damn Kolibri is some next-level kusoge

was hoping for better when I saw screenshots of the game, but its just a damn mess to play

they really wanted to go for some kind of ecco the dolphin type of vibe, but the way you really dont have control over what weapon you're using and the game seemingly trying to get you to use certain ones for parts.. just makes more frustrating than anything else. looks nice though

[fallow dome]

I remember playing that game before release at the Sega pavilion in Epcot, Walt Disney World

Had no idea what the hell to do. The Disney/Sega employee there also had no idea what to do lol.

[dense bane]

You gotta get some nectar bro!

https://www.digitpress.com/library/manuals/32x/kolibri.pdf

The manual is actually pretty cool

[night cape]

It was set to auto, Ill set to DDR3 when I try it again, thanks.

[finite rapids]

It’s too damn obtuse. Never know wtf to do in that game

[shell compass]

In Star Wars for 32x, after starting a mission, pause and press Up, Right, Left, A, Down, C

some fun renditions of the music there, though the keyboard doesnt render correctly in the most recent core

the cantina band song is track 3- great rendition on the genesis hardware 🙂

[long cairn]

Just poking my head in, saying hi.

[torn dome]

howdy fella

[dense bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cragsand-crag-knuckles-ugandan-knuckles-dance-gif-25615492

[sturdy solar]

New 32X unstable build
#unstable-nightlies message

[dense bane]

What’s the new build do ?

[fallow dome]

Plays 32X games

[west sable]

Your Mom plays 32X games

[sturdy solar]

It brings over the recent changes from the Saturn core to the chips that both Saturn and 32X have

[west sable]

Somebody throw Chaotix at it, see if the into is fixed

[inland quail]

maybe it's just me, but I would much prefer Sega CD updates over 32x updates

[sturdy solar]

A lot of the 32X updates come for free from the work on the Saturn core because they share several chips.

[old sierra]

Maybe once srg has licked Saturn he will bring what he has learnt to the Megadrive core

[west sable]

cough MD+ cough

[inland quail]

Yeah looking forward to it

anyway Sega CD 32X will probably require a separate core, and Sega CD issues would be addressed there as well

[fallow dome]

What’s the MegaDrive core even missing?

[west sable]

It's still missing that special save type isnt it

That nothing good uses

[fallow dome]

[west sable]

How about

And Im just throwing this out there

MD+

[fallow dome]

What’s MD+

[west sable]

Oh my.

Well, it's the competing format to MSU-MD

[fallow dome]

Oh some more weird non-standard stuff

I want a good Genesis, anything else use an emulator

[west sable]

Zeldix loves it, MiSTer devs hate it because it was created by Terraonion. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the dev channel over a feature request and nothing came of it. So due to useless politics we cannot have a good format in the core.

[fallow dome]

glad they stuck to their guns, respectable

[west sable]

🙄

Its just a bunch of useless bickering and BS

[fallow dome]

why doesn’t Zeldix use the other format then

[west sable]

Because MD+ is better

[fallow dome]

saaaaaaaays who

[west sable]

It has more features than MSU-MD, which is more closely tied to Sega CD's abilities. Ironically, MD+ is a lot closer to MSU-1 than MSU-MD is in terms of what it can do.

[dry spindle]

MSU-MD should really only be used with X series Everdrives and a burned CD on real Sega CD hardware. It’s useless in any other situation as the Mega SD supports MD+, the Mega Everdrive Pro supports it, and so does Genesis Plus GX in Retroarch for emulation needs. MiSTer is the only holdout, so to speak.

[dense bane]

Yeah we can’t go on without the multiplayer mode in sonic 2 looking aight

[dense bane]

No nes stereo sound either , even though it’s totally possible

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[pale plover]

How many Mega Drive games even used the high resolution interlaced mode?

[dense bane]

All I know is sonic 2 multiplayer

[west sable]

https://media.tenor.com/X4ZPjlUWe4UAAAAM/eeyore-winnie-the-pooh.gif

[dense bane]

Im just playing dawgg!

Don’t get all depressi on mehhh

[west sable]

Somebody pin my tail back on

[dense bane]

Uhhhh … not into that bro ..

Sorry

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-jake-gyllenhaal-what-the-gif-14514479

[old river]

I wish there was more interest in making Mega CD hacks of Megadrive games.

[west sable]

Alas.

Wanna fix it for me?

Ahh

[dense bane]

Yay.. combat cars ….

[limber pine]

What was SEGA's advertising branch trying to do here?

[fallow vortex]

Be 90s edgy

[west sable]

That, the Neo Geo hot dog ad, etc

[shell compass]

MD+ is like the bottom of the wishlist for me, considering all the issues with Sega CD.

[fallow dome]

There are issues with Sega CD?

Glad y’all have good eye for detail

[pale plover]

Yeah there should be an option where the emulated disc drive is prone to failure and you need to repair the MiSTer every time.

[charred sand]

Do all 32x games work today ?:)

[fallow dome]

I think they have for a little bit.

[charred sand]

Well that’s a bummer do we know if they will ever be working

[pale plover]

Someone at SEGA was a complete psychopath for coming up with this to begin with.

[light mist]

How could they even work when the mega cd is missing?!

[charred sand]

Wait so Sega CD doesn’t work?

Oh OK Had me scared there for a moment that Sega cd games didn’t work

[dense bane]

I have gone up and down the sega cd library and all the important ones work ..

[fallow dome]

What’s your favorite?

[west sable]

@fallow dome butts in Why these are my favorites

[fallow dome]

Thanks, amigo! Those are good recommendations.

[west sable]

I do the curating thing

[fallow dome]

Streets of Rage 2 Sega CD?

[west sable]

MSU-MD folder

[fallow dome]

Yeah I do curation as well. Always curious to see what else people like to play.

[west sable]

MSU-MD selection is rather thin compared to MD+, but we have a few good ones

[dense bane]

Shinning Force CD

[west sable]

The shinnin'

[dense bane]

Game for big brain people

[west sable]

Its the shinnin' bart

[inland quail]

there was at least one game where I saw an issue with the music stopping. but other than that the game seems to work.

in any case, I look forward to the day when there are no such issues

[dense bane]

Hail Sarlac!

[west sable]

Blackthorne?

[limber pine]

Probably rambling here, but can't help my reoccurring obsessive-compulsiveness:

I've been wishing to see possible hacks go the actual Sega CD BIOS, as to allow swapping music or even backgrounds between regions over using region-free bios

Found even someone having done that:

https://youtu.be/JZh5M8XnGpQ

Like I've used the region-free EU BIOS file but the way the whole boot jingle plays tinge too fast in NTSC-mode due bios clearly being still optimized for PAL-regions... yeah, it does ruin immersion a bit.

[pale plover]

One nitpick I have with the SEGA CD core is just the lack of any fast loading options, like what the PS1 and TurboGrafx-CD cores have.

[limber pine]

Would it work well?

[normal river]

On holiday and kinda looking forward to getting home to seeing if there's a performance lift to Doom Resurrection

[dense bane]

Yes

[west sable]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MegaCD_MiSTer/issues/102#issuecomment-1555050919

[pale plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheRoboZ/status/1660943123957133315?t=vWwt9CUKfxJ08AtrLWgW4Q&s=19

[west sable]

First Darius, now R-Type. Woot

Wait, there is troubling talk of PAL in this thread

Not worth it for 50hz

Though the arcade runs at 55 so

I dunno

So I've observed

Weirdly never ported officially to Famicom/NES, though there are some hacks of that Magic Dragon bootleg

Not at all no

sideeyes Amiga CV1

The results showed

Eurojank wouldnt be Eurojank without that special creation recipe

[west sable]

And here I thought you'd be linking a Kim justice zx spectrum apologist video

[west sable]

Pretty cool hack came out today

YMMV

Oh, Ill have to delete it then

Id rather not break the server rules if I can help it

Anyway, time to fire it up

[west sable]

This game is really cool but

It's doing something rather odd once you get into the actual game, the picture gets much softer, and its not possible to get back into the OSD

Im wondering if this soft picture is a programmed in effect, or if it is doing something funky like going into Genesis 480i mode

It's crashing the core in actual gameplay too here and there, shame

[west sable]

Its only a beta, we'll see how it goes

[west sable]

For sure

Im kinda tired of raising issues or feature requests and pulling teeth tbh

[west sable]

This is a job for @manic ridge

[manic ridge]

What did I miss

[west sable]

We need a "The core is dead, Jim." logo

[manic ridge]

What core is dead

[manic ridge]

A logo?

Or like a meme lol

Sounds like a photoshop job

[west sable]

Don't shirk your duties

Just make the thing

[manic ridge]

I am not at a computer

Also which core

[west sable]

Megadrive

[manic ridge]

Why didn't y'all tell me I had a typo

@west sable

[west sable]

Excellent

[fallow dome]

I really like the MegaDrive/Genesis core

[manic ridge]

Why didn't y'all tell me about the typo

Alright y'all better do the same react emoji

[west sable]

It was better that way

[manic ridge]

Well this way you can choose

[west sable]

yass

Actually apparently Im the only one with the actual issue

But the test group is me and one other person so

[manic ridge]

You know I didn't even see what the issue was lol

[west sable]

So this new homebrew, Mega Man Sequel Wars

When the video mode changes on my MiSTer it fucks up the output and the core

It only happens after you get to the stage select

I was kind of wondering if it was the 480i mode

But @wide iris was saying they had no issues at all

Maybe its video settings in MiSTer ini?

[wide iris]

Yeah no issues at all here. I didn’t know there was even a 480 I mode. I just use normal settings more or less. My output for the core is 256x224

[west sable]

What display do you use? Can you upoad your miSTer.ini so I can try to troubleshoot?

[wide iris]

I have a lcd display. 1920x1080 and yeah one sec

[west sable]

Thanks. Ill see if I can try and sus this out

[wide iris]

☝🏻😮 find it broski! So you can play the greatness and solve the mystery!

[night cape]

Ive had a problem with the Saturn core once, usb controllers stopped, menu couldnt be opened even with button on Mister. Game still running (Sonic 3D Blast).

didn't happened more than once though.

[wide iris]

Did ye find the problem ?

[west sable]

Working on it

[wide iris]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-type-keyboard-gif-9625066

[wide iris]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-smash-computer-gif-4947240

[west sable]

K lesse

Maybe its vscale

[wide iris]

Mine is set on wider hv interger

[west sable]

Mine is on narrow, but thats a per core setting

Ill try it anyway

[wide iris]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hi-hello-close-up-kitten-gif-16709314

[west sable]

kitteh

OK

Wider HV Integer seems to suppress the resolution changes

@wide iris I think this fixed it. Do you have time to try narrow H/V integer with vscale mode set to 4 to see if the issue replicates on your end?

[wide iris]

Ya. I didn’t know there was a 4. I just type 4 in the ini file right?

[west sable]

Might need to update your ini in general

it looks outdated

[wide iris]

I just do that by doing a normal update all ?

[west sable]

You need to go to github and copypasta the contents in to your ini file

Or just replace it

[wide iris]

You have a link for that ? I didn’t know ini needed it’s own update

[west sable]

Sec

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini

[wide iris]

Okay lemme check this out

[wide iris]

Works fine still.

☹️ sorry broski

[west sable]

I wonder what specifically about my setup is doing this

At least setting it to wide works fine

[wide iris]

Oh that’s good at least. Who are you playing as first

[west sable]

Rockman

Set to purist mode

[wide iris]

I haven’t played through with him yet. Did roll yesterday and proto man today, he was def the hard mode of the game.

[west sable]

Is he like 9 and 10, higher damage

[wide iris]

Yeah I guess he’s a carbon copy of that

Knock back felt more bigger for him too

[west sable]

Only for difficulty or style points then, seems like Roll plays like Powered up/Mega Man Maker

[wide iris]

If only they made powered up 2. And mega man maker was officially released ? I thought it got canned

[west sable]

Its been out for a long time, its a fan project

Are you talking about the old one that got canned in the early 10s

[wide iris]

That must be it then. Mega man universe.

[west sable]

Yeah that one

Mega Man Maker is an all 8 bit style one

Something else for X and Zero series fans for seethe over, along with MM8BDM

[wide iris]

I’ll have to check it out sometime. I could only make levels. I can’t make sheet

[west sable]

Whenever attention is given by Capcom, its always to classic

Must suck to be a spinoff series fan

[wide iris]

Yeah. No new x game since 8. Mega man legends 3 canned. At least the original series got 11. I wish the game boy collection they had planned for gba didn’t get canned. I hope that gets dumped sometime soon 😈 it’s in someone’s garage probably 😭

[west sable]

I bet the DX hacks that are being done will be better than that anyway

MMV is excellent

[wide iris]

That’s true. V was awesome and someone else did 1 which turned out good too. That just leaves three more games

[west sable]

V is almost enough by itself for me

It has all the special bosses from the first 4 games

[wide iris]

For me it’s up there along with mega man 2 and 3 for neese

Oh and 7. Can’t forget 7 and 8 too

[west sable]

I kinda like 8

Rockman 8 Saturn anyway

[wide iris]

I love it. I dunno why some people doo doo fart on it. It looks nice, got nice music, love the wily stage 2 theme. I liked how the special weapons could also be used as tools. The lack of transformations like how you could do in 6 and 7 was a bum part but I could live with it. I do prefer collecting bolts as a currency like in 7 and the game boy game as opposed to how 8 made you get special bolts but I didn’t mind that much since not all the upgrades were worth me getting anyways, I barely used them so I never worried too much about going out of my way to collect every single bolt. I know it’s look comes from mega man and bass along with two bosses right ? But I don’t mind because for me this is a better designed game that puts it all to good use whereas mega man and bass I couldn’t even finish because I thought it was such a pain to even progress.

[west sable]

I really liked Rockman & Forte, I ordered it new in 1998

And Super Adventure Rockman

[wide iris]

You beat the whole game ? And you didn’t die a million times ?

[west sable]

I died some, I just learned the patterns like any older more difficult game

The game seems designed much more for Forte than Rockman, but it is what it is

[wide iris]

Yeah I had tried playing with mega man first and I think I got past 3 or 4 bosses, dying a ton along the way and I think the stage I called it quits was the one where those spinning soda can guys show up with eyes, those classic mm enemies but there’s a giant one who can ignite the area with fire instantly killing you

[west sable]

Burner Man

Thats a tough section

[wide iris]

Ya. So id get thrashed trying to learn the level layout and strategies, die a ton, make it to the boss with like 0 lives or 1. Try to learn their pattern as much as possible before dying 😂 I was miserable. Maybe I could give it another shot these days. I dunno though

[west sable]

It has some interesting boss mechanics, compared to other classic games. Burner Man cant just be hit with Ice Wall, you have to bring it out at the correct time, pushit towards him and shove him onto the spikes

[wide iris]

That’s cool when games do stuff like that. Makes it more engaging as opposed to spamming fire button.

Who’s your favorite mega man boss by looks and by design?

[west sable]

Thats tough to say

Are we including all series?

[wide iris]

From 1-8 and you can pick one from each game

For the first game my pick is elec man, he just looks cool

Fire man being a close contender but I have to go with elec man

[west sable]

no 9/10? Ima do it anyway

1: Elec Man
2: Quick Man
3: Gemini Man
4: Pharoah Man
5: Star Man
6: Knight Man
7: Slash Man
8: Tengu Man
9: Tornado Man
10: Solar Man

[wide iris]

Oh yeah we can include those too. I dunno why I didn’t think of that. I like those games too.

1.elec man
2. Air man
3. Needle man- he looks cool and okay to fight. I will say spark man has my favorite music of the robots there.

4. Toad man with skull man and pharaoh man being close contenders because they look cool and I love their themes.
5. Napalm man, with star man being close too. I dunno why but napalm man has a cool aesthetic going on, maybe it reminds me abit of launch octopus. I do enjoy Star mans stage more than napalms though.
6. Centaur man
7. Nightshade man
8. Frost man
9. Hornet man
10. sheep man

[west sable]

You selected a lot of my second choices

The animal themed ones are amusing

[wide iris]

Yeah. Wood man probably looks the most funny to me. Or top man. Yellow devil I like as best fortress boss. I enjoy everyone of his fights

[west sable]

I kinda like Dark Moon from V, and uhh.. brainfart the hell was the one from Super Adventure Rockman called

[wide iris]

That was one of my favorites from the gameboy. I never played super adventure rockman what system was that on ?

[west sable]

PSX and Saturn

First release of Saturn actually had a bugged disc 1

Kinda fun playing SAR new in 1998, I dunno about now.. maybe Ill fire it up on the PSX core

[wide iris]

I had no idea about this game. Animated but also a first person shooter. Could you connect a gun con to this ?

[west sable]

I dont believe so

Inafune hates SAR, it got suppressed

The big art books that came out only have the cover art image and no character or enemy designs, nothing. Just that image with a note that they dont like it and they are sorry

[wide iris]

Wow that’s crazy. Mega man revisionists lol

[west sable]

Just like Castlevania

Iga and his official timeline

I think its perfectly fine

Worth a playthrough or two to find all the little routes and differences

[wide iris]

I’ll check it out 👍🏼 it’s something new

https://tenor.com/view/pusheen-sherlock-investigator-investigating-gif-6107491

[west sable]

pusheen is a chonker

[glass shale]

What’s wrong with the sega genesis core?

[west sable]

Apparently nothing, and its just me

[glass shale]

Only thing missing is eeprom save support AFAIK

[simple apex]

I just tried playing the mega man fan game doodle and it's pretty fun. No glitches for me either

[west sable]

Well, wider H/V integer fixed it for me, so no more complaints. Im going to assume its a one off issue and not something to go on github about

[limber pine]

[tulip surge]

is that from garbage pail kids?

[fallow dome]

more like goddamn-pail-batheads

[west sable]

goddamn pailkids

[west sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z26yUpujqYk

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/RedBfokBfK4

[pale plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/_fabdigital_/status/1665109205534093314?t=on6J3ITl0_VAddK6Aw-TLg&s=19

[manic ridge]

I'm confused, what is it?

[pale plover]

Unofficial sequel to Altered Beast being created for the Mega Drive.

[manic ridge]

Ahh, it looks a lot like the original

[old river]

I love every effort to bring new tools and support to old hardware. Scorpion Engine, GB Studio, that Saturn/PSX engine that TiagoSC is working on, it's all very cool.

I hope folks never stop bringing new software to old hardware.

[pale plover]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7846/

Honestly surprised Alien Soldier didn't support the six button controller, since the controls using the three buttons are a bit convoluted.

[shell compass]

huge quality of life improvement there.

[west sable]

Wonder how it will change speedrunning

[shell compass]

probably wont be used unless folks decide to make a new category for it

[manic ridge]

I saw that, the gameplay looks like a mess. Might get it to play with my kids

[manic ridge]

Seems like it? But that's not what I'm referring to, they show a lot of different types of gameplay that seem out of place with each other

Sonic games are notoriously not great with a few rare exceptions

Honestly I feel like the Sonic formula barely works as it is and anything that tries to change it tends to make it worse

At it's core it's kind of conflicting. You go fast but constantly hit obstacles that wreck you, and can explore, but slowly, so it's like there are two styles at constant odds. If you're good at memorizing you can make it through the parts that catch you, but I am not so it's like..... Go fast, stop, go fast, stop

And I don't feel like they've ever reconciled that. They've only tried to add mechanics and change it in unsatisfying ways

I despise lock on targeting for example yet they stick that shit in everything

Sonic 2 and S&K were the height IMO. Sonic 3 tried to stick too many gimmicks in every 5 minutes, presumably to make gameplay feel varied, but it just made it feel disjointed and shoehorned IMO. I honestly don't know what the magic equation is to "fix" Sonic

[fallow dome]

I’ve learned my lesson long ago to assume all Sonic games are trash until proven otherwise. Expecting anything else by this point is silly.

[manic ridge]

Yup

[torn dome]

ign detected

[west sable]

Fool me once

All I really thought looking at the trailer was "This might be fun, multiplayer is neat. Why do some gameplay scenes seem so slow though?"

[manic ridge]

I'd like to give it a go with the family

I'm just very skeptical

[fallow dome]

ok I was being mean but c'mon I'm not that off-base lol

[torn dome]

[fallow dome]

$20 for a business card case lol

[west sable]

But Robby

It's the Poor Kids case

[fallow dome]

What

[fallow dome]

lol was it?

[west sable]

Ahh sorry

90s kids joke I guess

Judgemental therapist - whered it go

[fallow dome]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbook-write-writing-notebook-serious-gif-17132920

[west sable]

Oh

🫠

[west hare]

So a friend and i usually play some megadrive micro machines when we see each other, today we tried 'Micro Machines: Military' but the sound was really messed up? i did a search and saw some issues reported on it in 2022. Is this still a bug in the md/genni core?

[west hare]

althoug the workaroud metioned still seems to do the trick 😄

[west hare]

This one: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/112

(So yeah, now i do know how to find reported issues) 🙈😂

[old sierra]

Wandered along to my parents house today to find my Mother had gone on a cleaning frenzy and unearthed a stack of old Megadrive gaming mags I forgot I had she wanted me to bin or takeaway. Snapped some pics of the covers to see if any haven't been scanned and preserved yet, some fund stuff in there

I actually do have the first few issues of Sonic The Comic! I need to dig them out, I think the first one may be worth some serious money now

Oh wow, I would have loved that Desert Strike book when I was a kid, never knew that existed

I definitely have some Sonic novela in a cupboard

Possibly the most obscure thing in that stack I suspect may not be well known about is the Clarks shoe shop Megadrive magazine, I must have got that for free when getting my school shoes at the Clarks in Corstorphine back in the early 90s

[west sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QvcJj4Uh18

[fallow dome]

hey I forgot to ask about the core, I’m trying to remember some technical thing it’s missing, anyone know?

[old sierra]

Which core? Thread covers 3

[fallow dome]

the part where it makes Genesis games good

[west sable]

You'll take your GEMS composed fart symphonies and like it

[fallow dome]

https://tenor.com/view/dudedad-okdad-okay-ok-gif-24435673

[west sable]

You rolled into the poor kids neighborhood on your BMX and shit talked Sega

What did you think was going to happen?

[manic ridge]

Some kind of save games

like you have to get an SRAM patch for them or something

[fallow dome]

I like that @manic ridge just sees through the troll and provides a helpful answer lol

[manic ridge]

I try

[fallow dome]

Meanwhile @west sable and I are bitter enemies

[west sable]

points Menacer at @fallow dome over the DMZ menacingly

[manic ridge]

EPROM there we go. Couldn't remember the name

[fallow dome]

Playing Genesis with a SNES controller and it’s like everything is right in the world

[west sable]

You're almost there.

Now play Wily Wars with an NES controller.

[fallow dome]

I’ll just play the superior nes originals tho

[west sable]

Well. Yeah.

[manic ridge]

Are they still superior even with the newer hack?

[fallow dome]

If I don’t know but still say “yes” will you judge me?

[manic ridge]

joke's on you I already judged you

[west sable]

The Wily Wars hack make things better. They don't really fix various other aesthetic issues though

Minakuchi engineering didnt exactly knock it out of the park with the spritework and music

[manic ridge]

dang

[manic ridge]

Hmm looks sonicesque

[fallow dome]

They dropped the Sonic Mania team and Arzest is developing it

https://tenor.com/view/abandon-all-hope-enter-here-gif-3542799

[manic ridge]

Ah yes the team that made one of the only good sonic games

Makes sense

My only complaint was the boss battles in that were too easy, and the one special stage was confusing

Good news though the new one looks like it has 37 types of confusing special stages

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403

[west sable]

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1668437336101625857/pu/vid/1280x720/cjryzTNF3rwj5Pvr.mp4?tag=12

Wrong font

Pfft

[west sable]

He's reaching, but it's cute

I guess snes is the budget option if you're shooting for an a500

Huh, was this a uk thing? Wasn't aware

I wouldn't say that lol. But interesting nonetheless

[light mist]

can confirm, shaq-fu snes didn't even come with the cd

[west sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hloDl7go15A

[harsh iron]

I come with bad news... Astebros in MiSTer doesnt show PSG souund!

[west sable]

Was it made with that newer Genesis development software? I think this might be a known issue

[harsh iron]

Sgdk or something

[pale plover]

I remember someone made a proof of concept homebrew that ported the first Sonic game to the SNES. I don't know if it ever went beyond just the first act of Green Hill Zone.

[glass shale]

The previous Asteborg game has sound issues on MiSTer too

[harsh iron]

The MiST core works well with sound in these games

[west sable]

https://twitter.com/CaptainBalkon/status/1668619550622097408

Niels (@CaptainBalkon)

so google, in its infinite wisdom, must have figured out that "genesis" and "megadrive" are sometimes used interchangably, because googling "the book of megadrive" gives these results near the top on the first page

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Twitter · Jun 13, 2023, 2:01 PM

[graceful tulip]

I beat Demon's of Asteborg and Astebros on the Mister. I didn't recognize any sound problems

[harsh iron]

psg is out

[glass shale]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/189

[graceful tulip]

should i hear this already in the intro of the game?

i need to compare just from the way i remember the music i cant hear a difference without a direct comparison

i did not miss anything during my playthroughs but i never played the games on another device

I just checked on YT. Is there maybe more than one ROM Version of the Game floating around? because in this Video thats played on the Mister i also dont hear anything wrong.
https://youtu.be/3lPBlLZvgXk

[harsh iron]

wait

i'll try to

the first stage of asteborg

ok ?

I'll make a little video in a real megadora

[graceful tulip]

Okay, now I hear it thanks!

[harsh iron]

lol

[graceful tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/not-worthy-waynes-world-bow-praise-gif-4881098

[pale plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/yuzokoshiro/status/1669730869781856256?t=kAGf63EMRL5qqVUwWN-cqQ&s=19

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/HnyGSl3K-IE

[shell compass]

https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1672682026682445824?s=20

nukeykt (@nukeykt)

Started porting Nuked MD(cycle accurate mega drive emulator) to verilog
https://t.co/AoPvUvoUpO

Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 7:04 PM

[glass shale]

What game is that? Haha

[west sable]

Death Duel

[sturdy solar]

Wark91 made a build of the 32X core with today’s updated changes to the Saturn core

#1046941029296779344 message

[manic ridge]

wait what? What does that effect

[sturdy solar]

I think it is just this but I am not sure
SH7604: fix overflow in Division unit

https://github.com/srg320/SH/commit/f8401c038d493ae3efe0ee274c9ba0b7b1d7867d

[manic ridge]

ahhh

[west hare]

How do people here feel about Sol-Deace? Considering the retrobit re-release but the shot sound is terrible. To me it sounds like the game has crashed and stuck only creating tick sounds :S the music is really nice though….

[west sable]

Well those are awesome

[urban ridge]

Hi guys, I tried to compress some games into chd format to save some hdd space. I experience some fmv video playback issue, like it doesn't decompress the data with enough speed. Do you have some solution ?

All my chd files are located in an external 2.5" HDD plug into an 2.0 USB hub.

Do you think it will play smoothly using an SSD drive, or by copying the file directly on the SD card ?

[fallow dome]

Yes

[west sable]

No sound test in the game, oddly.. so I built a ROM with the VGM files and made one

[pale plover]

Was testing out the latest unstable SEGA CD build.

I noticed that the music in Lunar The Silver Star doesn't loop properly. It will briefly switch over to a different song for a few seconds, then abruptly loop back to the original song.

I don't know if that was the case with the previous build.

[long cairn]

Do Sol Feace for Sega CD - same game with rockin' soundtrack and cut scenes.

[old sierra]

If you check in the last official version you have on your MiSTer, that would be useful to see if it was already there before or is a regression

[pale plover]

I had to change the main MiSTer file to test this, as the unstable file breaks the official SEGA CD build.

But anyway, I tested this out using the latest stable build by letting the game run for a few minutes. I can confirm that the bug is still there.

Alright I did more testing, and it turns out this is only an issue with the Unworked Designs patched version. The regular release loops like normal.

[long cairn]

yep, confirmed.

[glass shale]

So is that why is it called “Unworked” then? 🤔

[long cairn]

the unworking (designs) patch haha

[west hare]

True, but the music of the cart version IS actually awesome too. Just the sound effect of shooting 😢

[long cairn]

Indeed, i'm a big fan of the YM2612. But man that CD soundtrack on Sol Feace... i played sol feace first, in 1992 on my sega cd, and by the time i played sol deace 4 years later on an emulator, i just kept wishing it was sol feace, haha...

but they're both good, agreed

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/NRHtcNaK3r0

[dense bane]

Trouble cooter

[limber pine]

Them...

[hushed vine]

I've been enjoying this so much lately and this was the only place to think to share it. It makes me love the hardware. https://youtu.be/3VunpizM1aE

[lusty grove]

Played Beyond Oasis on Sega Genesis core for hours tonight. Love that one so much. 😊

[graceful tulip]

Now live Phantom Gear new Game for Mega drive stream!
https://www.twitch.tv/MegaCatStudios

[manic ridge]

I tried to play that for a while and it's jankier than I remember 😆

[lusty grove]

I still love it 😅 But nostalgia is a big factor. 🤫

[pine thistle]

Interesting. I am wondering if this will be ported to Mister, or at least what benefits it could bring to the existing core.

[limber pine]

Hopefully not beating a dead horse, but is any improvement on Composite Blending not gonna be explored/improved upon anytime soon?

[fallow dome]

Probably not. What needs improving?

If you have a GitHub account, you could put in a ticket with that request if you can articulate the issues that should be fixed.

[limber pine]

Saw this beta core developed a long while back for Genesis that tried to implement more improved version, but creator of it has gone MIA

#1096614378968727652 message

[fallow dome]

Ohhh that’s cool!

If you can, post it as an issue on GitHub as a feature request. That’s likely the best way to reach anyone who’s got availability to look at the core.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues

[limber pine]

Some issues regarding the blending look to have been discussed already before it seems - I guess I'll just show the core to Sorgelig in one of the topics to inform a more universal blend has been achieved to some degree in this core before

[old river]

My MiSTer was running SAM and it hit on a Mega Drive game called Old Towers that I instantly clocked as a recent game despite being unfamiliar with it.

[fallow dome]

Yeah it’s cool!

[old river]

Something about the art design makes it exceedingly clear that it was made after the death and rebirth of 2D games. It's quite fun too!

[old river]

Holy crap this studio has made over a dozen megadrive games

https://megacatstudios.com/pages/our-games

[pale plover]

I hope the adaptive blending update goes somewhere.

[nocturne glacier]

I have a copy of Coffee Crisis for Genesis. Bought it... geesh... 2015 (maybe 2014) I think? At Portland Retro Expo. Looks like they've come a long way. I love it! 🙂

[merry spade]

Ahhhhh I love how clean the SegaCD core sounds.

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/GPuVOzZlX2U

[west sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOi4THSUKfE

[merry spade]

https://twitter.com/retrogamerart/status/1686109133731225603?s=46

Retro Gamer Art (@RetroGamerArt)

Snatcher / スナッチャー / Konami / 1988

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[sturdy solar]

https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1686404939055333376

nukeykt (@nukeykt)

Released initial version of Nuked-MD-FPGA, cycle-accurate mega drive/genesis core based on reverse-engineering photos decapped MD chipset

https://t.co/CrM6VVzYkj

Twitter · Aug 1, 2023, 3:54 PM

[harsh iron]

WOW

[night cape]

WOOW

[glass shale]

JTMD

[pale plover]

Awesome!

[pale plover]

So with this, are there plans to merge or replace the current core?

[merry spade]

IMAGINE THIS: A portable FPGA-based music player to play VGM rips.

and OPL midis

[hasty void]

What is the differencee with the actual megadrive core on mister?

[oak jungle]

The analogue pocket would be pretty good for that

[old river]

I've always wanted a vgm core that replicated various chipsets and could play common chiptune formats.

[stoic flame]

It's been a while since I looked into it, but I believe the main problem with a "VGM core" is that it would need all of the sound chip permutations to be built into the same core, including the weird ones like arcade boards that had 3 of the same chip or whatever.

[old river]

Yeah I doubt you'd be able to fit all of them on, which would be a shame, but maybe start with Commodore/NES/Genesis/SNES and work out from there until you run out of room.

[hushed vine]

I too would love this

[pale plover]

So does Quackshot just not work on the SEGA Genesis core? I keep hunting down different ROM files, and all I get is a black screen every time.

[nocturne glacier]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/166

[pale plover]

Okay so that solved the issue, just needed to find the alt ROM.

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/F9bHpwRPyY4

[pale plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/gameimpact_h/status/1687375630672023552?t=-EfC3k-K6AgxS94csIoCnA&s=19

Apparently City Connection is getting a Mega Drive port with a physical cartridge

[west sable]

Sega = Chaotic Evil

[limber pine]

Doope!

[west sable]

https://youtu.be/WrHJGNdE7-c

[versed rapids]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-core-87381998

[split moth]

just saw that! Friggin’ awesome!! Sorg doesn’t mention it, but it would be amazing if this new core had save states in mind from the beginning 🤞

[versed rapids]

I don't know for save state

[torn dome]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-mood-listening-to-music-headphones-gif-20933203

[old sierra]

What does he say?

[split moth]

He’s working on a new “cycle accurate” Genesis core that will also support Master System

said he hopes to have a test build available soon

I just really hope that Sorg is making this core with save states in mind, but I won’t hold my breath

I guess I could look at the github to get an idea, but does anyone offhand know what the remaining notable issues are with the Genesis core that might be driving Sorg’s reworking of the core? 🤔

[sturdy solar]

The core is based off of this which is done so adding save states would be just as likely with the current genesis core; not likely

https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1686404939055333376

nukeykt (@nukeykt)

Released initial version of Nuked-MD-FPGA, cycle-accurate mega drive/genesis core based on reverse-engineering photos decapped MD chipset

https://t.co/CrM6VVzYkj

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[split moth]

ahhhh so in other words it’s basically being done for the sake of accuracy now that those chips have been traced, got it! Still really cool to see

I was thinking it was a ground up rework specifically for MiSTer, but clearly not

[pale plover]

Maybe we can get the adaptive blending implemented in this new core too?

[old sierra]

That's going to be nice if it is more accurate, hopefully it can cover Master System and SG-1000 as well. The Master System core could do with some polish, so maybe a fresh implementation could eclipse what we have already there

[pale plover]

So if Master System gets implemented, what about Game Gear?

[old sierra]

Hmm, I assume it could be added in too as I think the only real difference between GG and MS is that GG has a larger colour palette

[harsh iron]

Is this core available for the Mister ?

[sturdy solar]

Not yet

Sorg is working on porting it to MiSTer

[old river]

I wonder how this core will compare to the current core in terms of resource usage.

[manic ridge]

I'm curious if it'll be able to do Sega CD and 32X in the future as well or if those will be based on the old cores

[glass shale]

Everything is possible. The beauty of FPGA implementations is that you can combine new cores with existing ones if you want it.

[fallow dome]

Sort of. You need to get approval from the Core Master by filing a core merger submission paper.

[manic ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/keymaster-ghostbusters-are-you-the-keymaster-gif-15092976

[fallow dome]

it’s really cool to see Sorg on a tear. First Neo Geo and now Genesis.

[old sierra]

Yeah, totally. I was wondering if he might look at cleaning up the Master System core next, but he has gone one bigger and taken on new Mega Drive core with MS support

I did also wonder if he might look at refactoring the Amiga core and add in CDTV and CD32 support, maybe that is on his mind for further down the road

[manic ridge]

I think the core I'd like to see fixed up the most currently is X68K

[torn dome]

now I've just gotta find a voice synthesizer that can make a 16bit rendition of his name

[fallow dome]

The MiSTer made me into a huge SEGA fan

Damn I really missed out, what awesome games and consoles.

[manic ridge]

As a Genesis user every moment of gameplay and every moment in between I just wished I had a Super Nintendo

[oak jungle]

Xbox and Dreamcast turned me into a massive Sega fan

[alpine compass]

Hopefully the FM model filter settings remain.

[simple apex]

I would imagine Sorg won't regress features like that

[alpine compass]

Yeah, wasn't sure if he'd have to reimplement the features from scratch.

[torn dome]

you watched any of "pandemonium reviews every U.S. sega saturn game"?

his Virtua Cop review is one of the best gaming things I've had the privilege to watch, ever

[normal river]

glad to hear someone else has discovered this channel, he is an absolute GEM

[normal river]

he also has my funny-bone on speed dial
https://youtu.be/tnaNHjf0lEs

[normal river]

to be pronounced sorrrr guhhhh

[torn dome]

exactly

[old river]

Back when I was playing my Genesis I was sometimes jealous of my SNES friends, but looking back what I really see is that we all pretty much missed out on the best games.

I look back and wonder why I never played Shining Force, which I would have eaten up as a kid. I just didn't have the info or the opportunity back then to get the most out of my Genesis.

[harsh iron]

if sorg is working on it... I'm happy !

[old sierra]

Am wondering what extra features are all in the current Megadrive core that would need brought over for feature parity

The Virtua Racing special chip and SNAC are two off the top of my head

Four player support for Micro machines?

Cheats

Some other mappers?

[pale plover]

I know that Mega Man The Wily Wars and Wonder Boy in Monster World don't save and require a hack to work right. I believe that's because of a missing mapper on the core?

[oak jungle]

Yeah, both games use a type of EEPROM saving that is still missing from the core

I just happened to play a few hours of Monster World III without realising and got killed by it

Would be nice if it got implemented at some point as it’s a bit of a trap

[old sierra]

I thought it was just some sports games and that Naughty Dog RPG that needed eeprom saving added, those are pretty big games

Sorg did add in support for the obscure unlicensed gambling games and Chinese hacks into the Neo Geo core, so I reckon if he has set his sights on Mega Drive he will add all these things in eventually

[pale plover]

Just remind him of those edge cases mentioned and hopefully he'll include it with the core.

[old sierra]

If he is starting from scratch the new core is going to need serious testing across the whole library. I will get a sheet made up this week.

[split moth]

yeah, I believe you can just patch them to SRAM and they'll work

[fickle hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/communiess-community-jeff-winger-joel-mc-hale-congratulations-gif-20279480

figured there'd be some discussion of what sorgs up to in here, very exciting!

[harsh iron]

A perfect MD core is needed... MEGADORA deserves it.

[west sable]

Besides the lack of the particular save mapper for a handful of games, what does the current Megadrive/Genesis core lack?

[oak jungle]

Some slight accuracy, apparently

[fickle hemlock]

yeah, around the bus arbiter iirc?

[old sierra]

Mappers for a handful of unlicensed Asian carts

Support for a controller that recently got added to the PC-Engine core as well if I remember right

If this core becomes Master System as well then there is a fair amount lacking there

[fickle hemlock]

i think it does? from reading sorg talking to the author

[old sierra]

So if this also becomes the Master System + SG-1000 + Game Gear core then there's a lot that would need to be added

And a lot that could be added to expand upon SG-1000.

Right now we have two ways to play SG-1000 games (MS core and Coleco core) and both have games that run on one but not the other

Then it could be expanded to support SC-3000 and SF-7000 (basically the PC version of the SG-1000)

[fickle hemlock]

still, if we just get some fixes for genesis that'll be nice

[harsh iron]

SG-1000 and Megadora are not compatible

I have seen problems with SG-1000 in SMS core.

Princess Ninja has problems

[old sierra]

What is Megadora?

Seems to be some sort of screwdriver...

[torn dome]

Dora the explorers final form

[oak jungle]

is this just how Japanese people refer to the Mega Drive?

[torn dome]

メガデライブ
me-ga-de-ra-i-bu

[simple apex]

it's 「メガドライブ」'do' instead of 'de'

so megadora works

love 2 make things 4 mora

[simple apex]

I want it

[oak jungle]

Checks out

[west sable]

How high

Can you go? sega stack reaches ceiling

[vital idol]

Who was it that did the genesis to 32x to game genie to a second 32x to sonic and knuckles?

Of course it was joe: https://twitter.com/GameSack/status/1175562928310767616

Game Sack (@GameSack)

Sega Genesis, Sega CD, 32X, another 32X, Game Genie, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3. @SEGA #towerofpower

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[warm falcon]

yea, nuked-md doesn't and won't support SG-1000 video modes (at least in official repo), only MD's SMS compatibility mode. but potentially we'll reverse engineer SMS VDP and make separate core (nuked sms?). All our research will be done in this repository: https://github.com/emu-russia/SEGAChips

[tiny hemlock]

Thanks for your work @warm falcon , lots of people are exited for this

[harsh iron]

megadoraibu

[old sierra]

That's really interesting, thanks for the info and keep up the great work! As you can hopefully see is really appreciated

[harsh iron]

sms core needs to check FM sound

[old sierra]

Does MS having a different VDP mean that playing MS games in Megadrive is not accurate?

[harsh iron]

not bad, but the cymbals... the cymbals are strange.

MD is compatible with Mode 4 of SMS

but, it has differences

and... there are games that fail

Bart vs Space Mutants

[oak jungle]

are there known significant differences between other SMS variants, ie Mark III, SMS 2, etc?

[old sierra]

Oh, is SMS VDP already being looked at?
https://github.com/emu-russia/SEGAChips/tree/main/SMS-VDP

[harsh iron]

Yes

Mark III SMs and SMSII

[old sierra]

is Mark III same hardware as the original SMS we got outside of Japan? Ignoring PAL/NTSC etc.

[pale plover]

The Master System and Mark III used identical hardware.

The Master System even technically supports the FM Sound Unit, and there are games that supported the FM sound but weren't released in Japan.

[oak jungle]

Wonder Boy 3 famously, right?

[pale plover]

Yes the Master System version was not originally released in Japan, so the FM sound went unused.

[old sierra]

Cool, thanks for confirming, I thought that was probably the case

[pale plover]

The Monster World Complete Collection on the PS2 would be the first time Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap would officially support the FM sound in Japan.

[oak jungle]

I only played the remake on Switch, which was really amazing

I can't believe how modern the design felt for an 8-bit game

[harsh iron]

Not sure about that. I had a mark III and the tests made with it and with a japanese SMS ... differed.

[gritty silo]

https://youtu.be/UoLbkZUUv3U this is a pretty comprehensive overview of all the intricacies of the pre-Megadrive consoles. The Mark III and the initial SMS release were identical internally.

[pale plover]

My guess is that similar to the model 2 Mega Drive, the Japanese Master System release made several internal changes.

I do know that it had the FM sound and 3D glasses adapter built into it, which does imply they modified the hardware to some extent. Documentation is pretty hazy, so I don't know how significant the changes are.

[fallow dome]

Coffee Crisis is an awful game. They went into make much better titles.

[torn dome]

had a memory unlock on me a minute ago

one of the first games I ever saw

Klax on Mega Drive, that's how gramps got into gaming thru the puzzle games

it's good if y'all have never played it

[fallow dome]

it is the 90s, and there is time for Klax

[pale plover]

The weird part is that there are two versions of Klax on the Mega Drive. One by Tengen and the other by Namco.

Marble Madness also got two ports for some reason.

[west sable]

Is the Namco port better?

Robby says it supports sega mouse

[fallow dome]

The Japan one is best yeah

Can use trackball on Genesis core

That’s basically my only definition for it being better lol

[west sable]

Ill fire it up now. Been loving the arcade core

Im utterly terrible at Marble Madness but its a great game

[fallow dome]

it’s a great game…

for me to poop on

[west sable]

Harrumph

[manic ridge]

This joke is a triumph

[lofty urchin]

Does the justifier work with snac?

[fallow dome]

It should, all original controllers do. But obviously lightguns that rely on CRTs only work via CRT.

[lofty urchin]

Ah yeah, have the crt. Should have specified. Thanks!

Snatcher here I come

[heavy bobcat]

Does anyone know how to get Sonic CD working?

[tiny hemlock]

I hadnt noticed.. nukey’s md core 1.1 release is synchronous… things are looking good

[vivid wharf]

Yes, I can confirm that it does. With that said, I will probably only ever use it for Snatcher from now on.

[versed rapids]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/megadrive-test-87882566

[fickle hemlock]

nice, that was fast!

anyone had time to try it out?

[tiny hemlock]

Ugh at work

[versed rapids]

Just checking the test roms

[fallow dome]

Failed on VDP VCOUNTER CORRUPTION WAIT. Ok channeling my inner @random marsh

Ok, time to scrap it and start again. Can't test if it's not all working. Back to the core mines.

https://tenor.com/view/shade-any-schumer-drink-drinking-alcohol-gif-5417432

[west sable]

More like whine in your case

[fickle hemlock]

does it play sonic good though?

[hard silo]

Next is to check real hardware

[hard silo]

This is normal even on real hardware

[hard silo]

Does the core have cd?

[fickle hemlock]

i don't think they were talking about the new core

[west sable]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8006/

[fallow dome]

No you can’t dismantle my joke like that.

[hard silo]

The core on main fails more tests

[west sable]

Always good to see more accuracy, even if most of it wont be noticable to game playing plebs like me

[fickle hemlock]

might be worth seeing if any of the existing genesis core bugs are fixed/different on the new core?
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues

[versed rapids]

Micro Machine 2 (Europe) sounds great before it is not right

[pale plover]

The problem was already solved a month ago, but okay.

[hard silo]

Good

[fickle hemlock]

awesome ! thats actually a bug i had noticed

[versed rapids]

this core supports also TMSS genesis version and compatibility with SMS games.

[pale plover]

Haven't tried out the core yet. Is there save support yet, and if so is the issues with certain games not saving fixed?

[random marsh]

jesus christ. an entire channel dedicated to streets of rage 2 demos.

[west sable]

[random marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-peppo-gif-22663563

robby... you wanted this

[fallow dome]

lol

[fallow dome]

Ohhhh can you educate us. Why is TMSS Genesis good?

I genuinely don’t know

[west sable]

The weird GG2SMS hacks needing a start button (and supporting the Genesis one) would work at least. But there is probably a lot more to it than that

[versed rapids]

/ 1990+ models had the TMSS security chip, leave this as a clone, it reduces compatibility and nothing more.
CONS( 1990, genesis_tmss, genesis, 0, genesis_tmss, md, md_cons_slot_state, init_genesis, "Sega", "Genesis (USA, NTSC, with TMSS chip)", MACHINE_SUPPORTS_SAVE )

[fallow dome]

Thank you very much!

[hard silo]

Best way to test core is to go through issue list

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues

[fallow dome]

Regression testing!

[west sable]

I was confused about the TMSS thing, I thought non TMSS was best from my time getting consoles

[hard silo]

Also needs mdfourier comparison

[random marsh]

missing pixels on the second bad guy at the end of the third street. raging hard rn. RUNNING IT AGAIN!

[west sable]

Missing brain cells, low level troll

[random marsh]

what's so fancy about this core now? it's OLD

i don't follow the latest TRENDS

did cd audio get SHARPER?

[fallow dome]

New core is more ACCURATE and has CYCLES for CYCLE ACCURACY

[random marsh]

S32X core?

i don't even have any games for it - UNTIL NOW

[west sable]

basketsnake's bathroom break cycles broke looks like. The constipation is causing consternation on the server

[random marsh]

there's a S32X folder in my games folder

it's a separate core?

[fallow dome]

Put games in it! The Spider-Man web of fire really good

Yeah it’s separate core

[random marsh]

i did. NO streets of rage

btw not playing with audio because it's such work inserting headphones into a connector that's out of reach

so this whole thing fell apart

i'm selling my mister

[west sable]

And no posters of value were lost

[random marsh]

loaded up the original doom. it's better than yours, robby. sorry about the disneyland ride.

[hard silo]

UWOL is working on the new core

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/133

It doesn’t crash

[fallow dome]

It’s ok, we tried

[random marsh]

somewhat

[fallow dome]

I hope you enjoyed the gift shop tho

[random marsh]

it looks marvellous on oled

[shell compass]

i felt the same way after trying the rest of the justifier sega library

16-bit console gen was a rough time for light gun games

[west sable]

Weird time for light gun design too

[hard silo]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/173

Audio sounds good

[hard silo]

Can someone verify demons of asteborg?

Apparently the core in main is missing PSG sound

@harsh iron please check out new mega drive core

Sorg patreon

[worn lake]

AFAICT there’s still something missing - that part is present if you play the same track in the 32x core

[hard silo]

You have recording?

Vs real hardware?

[worn lake]

I might be able to hook something up to record audio this weekend. Will be able to do vs real HW as well.

[hard silo]

Real hardware recording would be the best

[carmine pine]

So, new megadrive test core. solves the bus arbiter timing issues in a few cores already. thanks again @warm falcon

PSG works on demons of asteborg now so some of the weird quirks of SGDK is probably addressed better with this test core

some of the frequencies on mdfourier sound weird to my ear, gonna run the analysis now and compare in a sec here... new computer so gotta get mdfourier again lol

[lyric tusk]

Is there a plan/possible for the genesis core to have a save state function?

[hard silo]

No, you need to develop the core with save state I mind

[carmine pine]

you can add it later it just makes it significantly harder

the game boy core and nes core weren't designed with it in mind, both had savestates added after the fact

[versed rapids]

@carmine pine the sound for Micro Machine 2 (Europe) is great now also

[carmine pine]

before i post graphs going to check with artemio, noise and psg seem to be significantly recessed comparitively by a bit, but nto totally sure. this also can vary by model so need his expert opinion 😉

looks like PSG is significantly different somewhat in terms of frequencies, which is kinda what i hear with the trail end of it, we'll see what artemio says

this kind of thing can happen when there are timing issues

the core was written as a netlist which can make it difficult for an fpga to deal with, gives the compiler a lot less flexibility

this can be optimized later anyways

just wouldn't be easy

transforming some logic that isn't needed to be sequential into combinatorial... combining some logic that is multiplicative or complex into using LUTs instead, etc... this can all make it a lot more efficient. but also defining things behaviorally isntead of structurally can help the compiler do much more optimization

[compact plover]

Been away for a while. Can someone update me on what’s going on? New Sega Genesis core that’s apparently more accurate? Correct? Will it play Sega CD, 32X, SMS or SG1000 games? What exact improvements are there with this new core? What regressions? Will this replace the existing Genesis core like how the 7800 replaced the 2600 core?

[carmine pine]

whether or not it's fully more accurate remains to be seen, but the bus arbiter certainly is more accurate so far

given it's based on decaps it likely is more accurate than fpgagen

nukeykt made the core with the russian team that does a lot of RE'ing decapping etc...

sorgelig began porting it a couple weeks ago and nukeykt adjusted some of the core given his feedback and testing

[compact plover]

Cool. Thanks for the feedback. Any ETA on when a build will be ready?

[carmine pine]

there is a build already on patreon 😉

sorg's patreon

[tiny hemlock]

The v1.1 release was supposed to be synchronous, shouldnt that have resolved any timing issues?

[carmine pine]

long chains of logic that are strictly defined can lead to timing issues regardless

everything being synchronous won't fix that alone potentially

that's why i mentioned LUTs as a potential solution for further optimization

let's say you have an ALU that takes one value and pipes it to another to be calculated, and another, etc... like 10 layers deep. If you can simplify this logic in code and make it so the compiler doesn't have to do 10 chains together of steps it will greatly ease the ability to meet timing requirements

[tiny hemlock]

Ah, makes sense

[carmine pine]

if there are only... 64 numeric outcomes let's say of this particular piece, then you can just use a LUT instead and take the inputs and map them to the table

and that is instantaneous

i think this code being done as a netlist is extremely valuable for preservation purposes

FPGA-based machine vision designs do this LUT optimization a lot to reduce latency and improve timing

[tiny hemlock]

How come this is more noticable with sound on this core?

[carmine pine]

i'm not sure if the reason the sound is noticeable has anythign to do with that

could be some minor bug in the code that went unnoticed, could be the timing, not sure

[tiny hemlock]

Kk

[carmine pine]

or could be an incorrect interpretation of the data i'm looking at

time will tell

[visual temple]

ok, yes, only sms, timing, a few peripheral features, maybe eventually

[worn lake]

I've got MegaSD, MultiMega & Nomad to hand I think. LMK if there's a pref.

[versed rapids]

Thank you @warm falcon and Sorgelig !

[carmine pine]

the sms mode will be accurate to a real genesis from the looks of it so it will actually play them inaccurately in comparison to the sms 😄 just like a genesis, at least on paper that's how it should work

[alpine compass]

I was not aware that SMS on a real Genesis had faulty BC.

[fallow dome]

Core Developer: We fixed SMS on Genesis!
MiSTer User: But now some things are broken…
Core Developer: You’re welcome!

Honestly I think that’s pretty cool, I love it when things are so accurate, even down to the faults. Amazing stuff.

[carmine pine]

power base converter doesn't work with a couple games, f16 falcon is one, and there are some games that wouldn't work at all without using the real sms controller on it, so SNAC through the core with sms probably won't work right for some games

the power base converter also only works with Mode 4 on the VDP, not modes 0, 1, 2, 3

so some weird hacks, the conversion homebrews/hacks/roms, and test roms won't work

and sg-1000 won't work

[west sable]

Interesting

[carmine pine]

all of the weird sound issues seem resolved by this

like the way too loud and garbled euro games

psycho pinball, total football, etc...

not sure if that's a bus arbiter timing issue, but it was one of the more annoying ones lol

[torn dome]

Psycho Pinball you say?

that was a damn good pinball game

ntsc bros take note

this is a legit top 5 pinball game

[carmine pine]

Yeah it's pretty fun

[worn lake]

I did a quick test on music 0 - I think I was wrong and the PSG is now there, but perhaps the level is not the same?

[carmine pine]

the PSG are the background harmony notes, they don't exist on the mister genesis core

the megadrive test core has less filtering of psg and noise, so it's more audible than og hw

that doesn't have the missing psg notes

this section does

the genesis core on mister currently misses those background harmony notes

current genesis core

you can't hear the harmony notes

my recording of sf2 world map theme for the 16-bit audiophile project

this core by comparison

my oghw is off an unmodified US MD1VA3 to a MOTU M4 interface

[tiny hemlock]

Congratulations @warm falcon , first feedback seems to be very positive on your core

[alpine compass]

What work needs to be done before official release?

[versed rapids]

Enduro Racer on Megadrive Core

Enduro Racer on SMS Core

There is not so much differences

the sound is better on SMS core maybe because of the FM chip with the japanese version

[harsh iron]

MEGADORA !

MEGADORA !!!!

[harsh iron]

MEGADORA 16 BITS CART SYSTEM... ASTEBORG WORKS WITH PSG IN THIS MAGNIFICENT CORE.

[alpine compass]

How do you feel about the channel mixing so far?

[hard silo]

I can see some pixel garbage in demons of asteborg

Before title screen

It’s similar to UWOL

[carmine pine]

yeah samurai shodown had some pixel glitches too

probably related to timing issues in compilation

[hard silo]

Alright

[harsh iron]

Toya.... SEGA MEGADORA

is Coming

[hard silo]

Yes

Finally called Mega drive and not Genesis

[harsh iron]

THE REAL NAME

[oak jungle]

Now do PC Engine rename as well lol

At least there is the core display name script

[versed rapids]

you can do it on names.txt

I named it PC Engine Duo 😉

[harsh iron]

Turbografx... ugly name

we got it in Spain with this name too.

ugly USA hucards and a PAL system... PC ENGINE PLEASE... !

[oak jungle]

Yeah, it never released in Australia, so I just knew it as PC Engine, aka that obscure Japanese system with the SotN prequel

[hard silo]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/229

This has audio in the new core

[harsh iron]

TOYA... MEGADORA IS COMMING !

[fallow dome]

Genesis does what MegaDon’t

[compact plover]

Amazing! That was my ticket.

Does X-Men 2 load without having to hit reset upon load? I remember that was the weird workaround to get that game working

Also the Micro Machines games had weird audio glitches when loading initially and could only be fixed by hitting reset

[versed rapids]

Micro Machines games have great sound now

[carmine pine]

MegaDora is what Genesisn't

[oak jungle]

Genisn’t

[fallow dome]

[tall prawn]

I was wondering if someone else has this bug freeze in chaotix if you don't press start to skip the intro ?

Or am I the only one ?

[woeful goblet]

Hi. Need some directions. Anyone can help me how do I add symlinks?: “MiSTer supports symbolic links so you may add symlinks to Genesis and SMS folders inside MegaDrive folder.”

[tall prawn]

This is what happens with my Mister in th 32X core with that game

[tall prawn]

I've never seen that message in my life in my mister

[tall prawn]

Do you also have this error in this game in your Mister @woeful goblet ?

[pale plover]

I remember this happens to me. Typically a reset fixes it, but if it doesn't try changing the ROM Storage setting in the "Miscellaneous" section.

Also make sure your build is up to date.

If nothing works, just skip the intro cutscene and it should run like normal.

[woeful goblet]

This message is from Alexey Patreon Post (new mega drive core).

[fallow osprey]

I tried the new Mega Drive core from Patreon, and this issue with missing border graphics in the Titan Overdrive 2 demo is fixed in the new core. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Genesis_MiSTer/issues/109

[tulip surge]

Connect to MiSTer with winSCP, browse to /media/fat/games/MegaDrive
Right-click | New | link

that's assuming you have your games on microSD, otherwise paths will be different

[hasty void]

Any news about porting nuked md to mister fpga?

[woeful goblet]

I must be missing something. I did as above, create the link/shortcut, but the MiSTer can´t "see" the shortcut folder when I try to load/search for a game

[versed rapids]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/megadrive-test-87882566

[tulip surge]

hmm that works for me, you're only using the microSD for storage?

[woeful goblet]

I am using a HDD (usb0) for games.

[tulip surge]

it should work the same as long as you browsed to /media/usb0/games/MegaDrive and pointed the link to /media/usb0/games/Genesis