Nintendo 64

[green epoch]

I use them myself because wrangling no-intro sets breaks my brain

[mental citrus]

Did someone say Smoke Monster? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCMLiNMLQtY

[hushed nova]

this stuff will always be hit and miss/unreliable because it inevitably falls upon one person who will burn out

[green epoch]

yeah exactly

[hushed nova]

if not from just the amount of work, but from the constant 'feedback' which comes from not being an expert on every game variation for every game

although I feel like htgdb was supposed to be a 'team' but perhaps they all burned out over time

[zinc dew]

I understand that people want to play “the best” but often times the changes are minor bug fixes or just extraneous stuff. Just download what you want in a language you understand and don’t worry about all that crap.

[vapid hawk]

could anyone just pick up where htgdb left off?

[zinc dew]

Truth is, it’s not like most of you are even going to see that content. You’ll probably put in 10 minutes and move on.

So don’t worry about it, playing the game is most important, nothing else matters,

[vapid hawk]

yeah and i spend 8 of those minutes setting scanlines

[zinc dew]

lol truuuu, me too

[vapid hawk]

the thing i actually liked the most about htgdb was its curated selection of romhacks

that was the part you couldn't really get elsewhere

[zinc dew]

that’s very nice

I wasn’t sarcastic just in case lol

[vapid hawk]

like, most romhack sources dont reliably tell if you if they work on real hardware or not

[magic girder]

Best version of 1g1r is such an ill defined problem with lots of preferences too

[mellow raft]

I worked on the n64 one for a time and can attest that is just a lot. Tbh the method that's used to actually push updates makes it a chore because you can't commit an update unless you actually have the whole entire thing actually on your machine, and you have to run a full build/copy of the whole set into a new folder before every commit.

It's incredibly inefficient

If the process was easier it would be more doable

Sadly anyone that wants to work on it, it's all or nothing

Nobody can just submit a PR for updates without having everything lol

[onyx minnow]

interesting, almost sounds like we need to figure out a way to make it modular

the things with those packs is obviously some people are super experts on particular systems or even specific genres within those systems but not everything else

[slow silo]

I more have an issue with them being CHD, not everything supports that. IIRC ISO loaders on the PS2 do not support CHD

[atomic stratus]

this is why I just made my own “1G1R” sets to my own specs

[broken creek]

Yeah it’s really only useful for software emulators.

[topaz otter]

Damn Robby, some of us are "enthusiasts" we want the pro-sumer option

[zinc dew]

[ebon kindle]

If I use a N64 SNAC is it possible to still emulate a game pak if I don't have one?

[glossy lake]

Not on the controller set as snac

[slow silo]

Wish there was a Mempak Pro

[mellow raft]

There are at least fram modded paks

Not what you're hoping for I know but at least the longevity is expected to be lifetime

Still... SD one should be cool

The n64 just doesn't have a library that desperately needs it.

I have played so many star titles and somehow never played one that even mentioned the feature

Or at least it wasn't very in your face about it (Mario kart Ghost data)

[slow silo]

Yeah but you could easily do that mod on your own, or even purchase the PCB and solder in a fram chip. Plus, the part I find most ridiculous is that the pre-made ones cost about as much as a PS1 memory card Pro, or I think even slightly more now

N64 memory cards had some very odd limitations that can make a multi card worth it. Such as how it can only have 16 saves on it even if you have space left, save slots however don't all take up the same amount of space like on a PS1 card. So you both need a free slot and enough space for it, it's ridiculous

You can easily fill it up with games that let you have unlimited multiple saves for things like custom characters or replay data

Honestly, I find the fact that it used SRAM also ridiculous considering not only did the memory cards of both their competitors use non-volatile memory, but even large chunk if not I believe even the majority of N64 games that saved on the cartridge also used non-volatile memory

[ebon kindle]

lol two of the games that i happened to grow up with required one

i think it was micromachines and extreme g?

[mellow raft]

I guess I mainly stuck to the first party titles lol

[ebon kindle]

Oh and Lego racers too

Oh and a bug's life but that game was absolute shit

[ebon kindle]

I'm guessing most third party games do. all of my Nintendo/Rare games never required a gamepak to save your data

[slow silo]

I don't recall most 1st party nintendo games needing memory paks, in fact, I think most didn't even support them at all

Mario Kart supported it, but only to save ghost data which was optional

[modest helm]

Diddy Kong Racing requires a memory pak to save all the time trials and by beating them all you unlock T.T. who is by far the best character in the game so while you don’t need memory packs for that game, it’s required for 100%ing the game

So that’s at least one major Nintendo game that sorta requires the memory pak.

[slow silo]

Interesting. Does he stay unlocked without needing the memory pack once you do?

[modest helm]

Yeah it’s weird. You have to do each track twice and save after the first time to the memory pak and it creates a ghost of T.T. you have to beat. Once you beat the ghost then you get a T.T. icon indicating you finished the track. At that point you can erase the ghost data for that specific track

Once you beat T.T. on each track and get his icon you unlock him as a racer. It works on the core BTW. I played through DKR a couple years ago

[weary perch]

i don't think that's right. i believe you just need to beat the target time and then he shows up and you can beat him

no controller pak required

[modest helm]

No you have to save to memory pak. I did this a year ago

[weary perch]

you can save ghosts, but you don't need to do that to unlock TT

ok, well i do not believe that's correct but i'll double check it

[modest helm]

I remember specifically having to use the memory pak for him to show up

[weary perch]

all you have to do is beat the target time, then he appears

no ghost saving required

https://www.dkr64.com/tts-hall-of-records

[modest helm]

Yeah I’m looking online. It’s pretty convoluted getting that anthropomorphic stop watch to show up, but saving ghosts worked for me

[weary perch]

no controller pak required to 100% the game

[modest helm]

Good. Now Nintendo has no excuse to not release Diddy Kong Racing on NSO

[iron wren]

Top level shoutout for the man himself 😎

[modest helm]

For someone whose favorite console is the N64 it’s so amazing to see the hardware being so accurately replicated after all the years of everyone saying that the N64 was too complicated to emulate

[thorn flax]

but not too complicated to replicate!

[tepid shuttle]

N64 Emulation is Still a Mess in 2026

[latent dagger]

Working core by Christmas?

[high tulip]

It's more because nobody wants to work on it tbh

and those that do get slammed because everyone else wants N64 emulation 😄

[storm vessel]

Yes but only Quest64

[storm vessel]

What’s that from or for?

[upper pivot]

M64 update

https://modretro.com/blogs/blog/m64-update-and-ship-timelines

[worn delta]

Wonder when we will get some reviews. Very interested to hear how this compares to A3D

[lament escarp]

I need the controller for use with my mister.

[topaz otter]

wait AMD is on on this now?

[tepid shuttle]

they have been since the beginning no?

[iron wren]

It’s an amd fpga so yea

[topaz otter]

weird, I just discovered that AMD makes fpgas

is it more powerful than the DE10 nano?

[cunning mantle]

The Commodore 64 Ultimate also uses a AMD fpga.

[hushed nova]

amd purchased xilinx in 2022 or so

[cunning mantle]

Should be the AMD (Xilinx) XC7A100T

[wanton sun]

No, too small, too slow.

[latent dagger]

Is there any major differences between developing for Intel vs AMD FPGA @wanton sun

so far anyways from your experience working on the M64 core

[wanton sun]

The Development tools are very large, like >100GByte
Each has their pros and cons.
But all major functionalities are more or less comparable.

I used Xilinx(now AMD) in my job for many years, so it was nothing new

[latent dagger]

damn. they be making you install the equivalent of a CoD game or Destiny 2

[slow silo]

Comon now, don't exaggerate.... Modern COD games are over 200GB now

[onyx minnow]

and thats what you need to download even when you buy the disc

[slow silo]

Nah, I think the disk installs like... at least 20 gigs XD

[dry oak]

Black ops 7 ps5 only 72.23mb of data is included on the disc 😹

[hushed nova]

....disc?

[green epoch]

So what I'm hearing is that the Black Ops 7 PS5 would fit on an n64 cart

[magic girder]

Most impressive N64 game since RE2

[topaz otter]

this is crazy to me, whats in there thats so large?

[chilly pivot]

what´s the status about the correct speed? For Example WCW Nwo Revenge intro?

Is it on analogue 3d fixed btw?!

[upper pivot]

Does DK miss the ropes on latest A3D or M64?

[floral mulch]

This is just a guess, but every dev tool is like "please rise for the national anthem, 10GB of documentation"

[topaz otter]

the internet says its because they put every library for every board they make in there

and some of them are quite large

[wanton sun]

Most sizes comes from all the different FPGA parts and their internal description.
These FPGAs get super huge these days and unlike the bitfile, which has reasonable size, the description of their internals seems to be very large.
FPGAs that can fit about 15 N64 cores at 250-300 Mhz exist today. Of course they cost as much as a small car 😅

[slow silo]

So you're saying for the mere price of a Volkswagen Jetta I could have perfect N64 emulation?

[topaz otter]

i like the sound of that, let's do that

[wanton sun]

Why would you want 15 cores at the same time? Cloud gaming?

[neat sierra]

One core for as many games as there are worth playing on N64 😉

[iron wren]

Consider this: 15 different games at the same time

[topaz otter]

I want as many cores as my money can buy me, I'm a core hoarder

[lament escarp]

Damn, 15 N64? That's like 60 mario kart racers at once! You think such an fpga could reasonably run ps2 & gc in theory or is there still performance missing on the chip?

[floral mulch]

ps1 2p core

[wanton sun]

GC is very high clock even for the fastest FPGAs. PS2 should be possible. But keep in mind the extreme memory requirements, so aside from this FPGA you also need quite some memory chips, so ideally custom board.

[modest helm]

All I needed to hear was PS2 is possible. Not holding my breath, but it's nice to hear

[plush summit]

don't open those floodgates 😭

[hushed nova]

can't wait for video and/or article 'n64 dev says ps2 is possible'

[modest helm]

Time Extension strikes again lol

[topaz otter]

I've got a question, and this might sound dumb

But if a single de10 only has so many logic elements

Why not run two de10s in parallel and double the number of logic elements you have to work with

[hushed nova]

now you have to manage communication

over slow gpio

[lament escarp]

Seriously ps2 being theoretically feasible on a chip that exists today is extremely impressive imo.

[topaz otter]

I thought it was the fastest method

[cyan dome]

the new playstation 2 fpga core will release to morrow with "all the trimmings"

[kind solar]

he hath spoketh

[magic girder]

One PS2 game before Christmas! ||not saying what year||

[slow silo]

Yeah, but said chip is priced like a car. That's like saying raytracing was possible in the 90s... If you had a million dollar supercomputer. FPGAs are also sadly not really something that exists in the consumer space too much like CPUs, also Innovations would probably be slower. Although they are becoming more popular for emulation and more FPGA emulation devices are beinf made so maybe there can be some improvements quicker. I wouldn't hold my breath, even though the 6th gen is the last gen I would carebabout being on FPGA

[lament escarp]

Yeah but we could lock Robert in a basement with that fpga to have the ps2 core ready when we can afford a comparable fpga.

[high tulip]

Still need people interested in developing for the platform.

[floral mulch]

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if we get "6th gen + Wii" on a future platform

Because the Wii is a beefier Gamecube

[modest helm]

The thought of playing Guitar Hero/Rock Band via FPGA is tantalizing, but I'm not getting my hopes up anytime soon

[topaz otter]

its actually two gamecubes duct taped together

[topaz otter]

by the time it takes for us to get an affordable fpga that can run PS2 and also have a core written for it, it would be less time and resource intensive for you to take a real PS2, remove all the chips, and then make an OpenPS2 board to put them all on

like the Opentendo

[modest helm]

No thanks

[slow silo]

No no no, that's incorrect. It's two Gamecubes taped together!

[modest helm]

Isn't that what EA infamously said about the Wii?

[slow silo]

No idea who said it, I could have sworn just some random guy online or the general thing people were saying in forums

[slow silo]

..... what would be the point of that?

[topaz otter]

there's not one

I was hyperboligizing

[zinc dew]

It was said here - 💬 Nintendo 64

[topaz otter]

damn robby you got me, I kneel

[slow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-3580667

[topaz otter]

FPGA is pretty fascinating to me as a technology

because who ever thought you could replicate a working IC with a bunch of frickin logic units

[slow silo]

Computer technology in general is full of crazy ways to do something

Like sending High tone squeaks over phone line to transfer data from long distances

Or punching holes in a piece of paper

[topaz otter]

I guess when you break it down, an IC can only be a certain number of things, timers, resistors, inputs, outputs

a single IC just replaces a bunch of discrete components

[slow silo]

Dosen't the C64's SID have some kind of analog components to it?

Also, not sure about those sound chips some of those NES games that nothing emulates, not even the NES core or everdrive

[topaz otter]

its got analog and digital circuitry

[topaz otter]

a lot of this is developers probably doing weird things with the chip that wasn't intended, rather than the chip itself

I mean you can scrape the top of a chip now and look at its logic with a microscope

[slow silo]

No, IIRC they have some kind of sound synthesizer chip on the caet

cart*

[topaz otter]

maybe, also remember that the famicom had some extra audio channels that the NES lacks

[slow silo]

I remember researching this, one sec

[topaz otter]

you mean this?

Yes, certain Nintendo (Famicom) cartridges contained extra sound hardware—such as additional channels or FM synthesis—that added richer audio to games. However, this feature was exclusive to the Japanese Famicom, as the North American NES cartridge slot lacked the necessary audio passthrough pin, limiting those enhanced sounds to Japan

[slow silo]

No, it's not an extra audio channel thing

Here

[topaz otter]

interesting

the castlevania game isn't even on there

oh this is a voice chip

[slow silo]

It's not an audio channel thing, it's a chip that synthesizes speech. I don't recall if any also synthesized sound effects too, but I recall running into the manual on archive before (can't fid it now) on how the chip works and how to use it, was like a hundred pages and IIRC it works by having pre-recorded single-syllable sounds that you can combine together

Supposedly can't be dumped normally, and contains samples on it that are hard to get out, if not somehow analog

[topaz otter]

yeah I can do this on the TI99/4a

its got a sidecar that you plug in that you can make it say words, it has like a 200 word vocabulary

but thats a different chip

[slow silo]

It's pre-recorded words? I thought it was combining syllables together to form words, I am pretty sure I recall the manual listing all the syllable sounds it had recorded on it that you combine to form words.

(Which means I guess any homebrew or romhack could essentially say anything... if it was possible to emulate that chip)

Homebrew NES games would be able to just talk

[topaz otter]

yeah the TI99 speech synthesizer has two 16kb roms

combined it has around 260 words that it can say, I played with it and there was a bert and ernie demo

[slow silo]

I wonder though if it's a case of the chips are actually hard to dump/emulate, or that it's not that hard but nobody cares because it's a few dozen sports games for the Famicom

And one fitness game

[topaz otter]

I was just looking at the NESdev forum for that chip your talking about

and its more a case of its in progress

[slow silo]

I probably saw that thread you saw too while researchign these XD

[topaz otter]

it was only used in Jaleco games

and only on the famicom

[slow silo]

There are three chips though, not just one, AFAIK

The NEC D7756C, NEC D7755C, and Mitsubishi M50805

Most of the games used the D7756C, one of them used the D7755C, and a fitness game by Bandai used the M50805

Also, the PCB for that fitness game looks like a mess compared to the other speech sunth sports games by jaleco

[topaz otter]

I'm curious now if the famicom carts have better or worse speech synthethis than the speech module for the TI99

[slow silo]

... is that a THERMAL PAD on one of the chips?

[topaz otter]

https://youtu.be/kORtp30JNnE

[slow silo]

Hard to find footage since most that exists is from emulators, which can't do those chips, but from what I have found it sounds much worse than that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iihF14ITLY&list=PL8p1Z0bEHA4UZgxaz9WJpZBEq168CbgDL

The Jaleco game that used that one different chip was a sumo game, I wonder if they used a different chip because that one speaks in Japanese. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRZgDgv1bw

The others that all used that same one chip and were all ports games I think are english, haven't seen ALL of them, but the ones I have seen are english

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZgni-QGas

[weary palm]

The blue thing is a crystal according to the silk screen.

[weary palm]

AU15P? 🙃

[slow silo]

Huh, never seen one that looks like that before

[weary palm]

I correct myself. "Resonator", not crystal. They are pretty much the same thing and share the same symbol. Perhaps something like this was used.

[weary perch]

ceramic resonators are cheaper but also less precise

(than quartz)

[weary palm]

Yeah.

[slow silo]

Ah yes, the things that make your sound less accurate after 30 years

[weary perch]

chrono trigger doesn't sound right unless the super nintendo has been properly aged

[slow silo]

You joke but audiophiles think that speaker burn-in is a thing

Or even wire burn-in for the really kool-aid driven

[plush summit]

Speaker burn-in is somewhat of a thing

ultimately, I think its just your ears adjusting to new speakers

[worn delta]

Speaker burn is is definitely a thing, the parts vibrating will change from when made to being played for an extended period. You can see this on any speaker by just changing the tightness of the screws and how it changes the sound, and can fix rattles if you have them

[slow silo]

I mean, I have heard a lot of people say the same thing that jjdx did, that it's not so much the speaker burning in but you getting used to the sound

[plush summit]

sure, components get looser and worn-in, but I doubt its that perceptable

[worn delta]

I can assure you it is definitely a thing, it isn't imagination. They will loosen up from assembly line after being played and parts loosen up

[slow silo]

What have I started?

And here I just have 2 speakers behind my monitor XD

... I really should put them on a shelf or something

I doubt my monitor being in the way is making them sound good

[plush summit]

Fortunately, everyone has speakers and they all burn-in, so I guess we all win? 😛

[blissful plaza]

Classic speaker burn-in is real and was quite documented since at least 40 years.
But, it is generally within the first 10 hours of usage, and most companies do them in factories now.
We're not with the 200 hours of usage, with white or pink nose and such, that's a myth.

[slow silo]

Problem is I also want to mount my TV on the wall someday and if I put my speakers on a shelf then they will be in the way

I wish you could get a good TV that wasn't omgwtfbbq huge, nobody seems to make a good set that's not at least 40-50 inches. I can barely fit 32 in my room

My 40 set is at a permanent diagonal angle because of that XD

[worn delta]

The expensive part of getting into AV/hi-fi isn't the gear, it is having the real estate needed to put the gear

[blissful plaza]

That's why I took and embraced the headphones way.

Not having to create a specialized room.

[twin barn]

Sound treating can be a long an arduous process yeah.

[slow silo]

My tv is next to my pc in my room, I am always at them but switching, headphones woulden't really work for me

[blissful plaza]

And I spent too much time in Japan with audio fanatics, who even installed their own electrical wiring.
I saw the madness.

Never in my life.

We are moving considerably away from the N64 here.

[slow silo]

Uhh, umm... The N64 supported surround sound?

[plush summit]

So how's the core lookin' now? I'm trying to find things that the 3D does better

[slow silo]

I guess if it matters, the 3D does not need to patch those handful of games and can run Knife Gunner natively?

[weary palm]

Are my ears burnt-in?

[blissful plaza]

Not before listening a Sennheiser HE-1 for at least 30 minutes. 😂

[severe quail]

Zetheiser is where it's at

[covert bough]

Would anybody happen to have an OoT save from right before the deku tree dungeon? Maybe from testing?

[zinc dew]

You can get there in like two minutes

like 5 seconds tops

[covert bough]

lol

i could

[topaz otter]

can you even save the game at that point?

i know it makes a creates a save file when you make your characters name

but at what point does it actually put any meaningful data in the save

[covert bough]

I forget doesn’t it have a free save?

I’ll probably just play the intro

[slow silo]

You can save at anytime, but it's not like a savestate that puts you exactly where you were when you saved

It can put you back a few things because it dosn't save the exact state of everything you are currently doing

[covert bough]

Ah yeah that’s right

[vapid hawk]

i think you could get the sword and shield then save and it'd save you about... a minute next time round

if you step inside the dungeon and save then you'd load back in at the start of it

[weary palm]

Crawl through that opening, get sword. Collect 40 rupees, get shield. Done.

[covert bough]

ah yes

[topaz otter]

push the great Mido into a crevice

[covert bough]

I remember being so annoyed by him as a kid

Regular town bully

[topaz otter]

Imagine if mido had walked fifty feet to get the easily obtainable kokiri sword and then put his money where his mouth is

Instead of bullying me into proving him wrong

[zinc dew]

I like that they named them all after Zelda 2 towns

[chilly ember]

Mido OOT romhack when

[onyx minnow]

its been a bit quiet on the m64, anything happening there soon?

like is it still going to be a thing?

[chilly ember]

Last I heard was July

[iron wren]

An update newsletter post went out like a weekish ago

[lament escarp]

On one hand I understand that a mister user probably isn't the intended market for the m64 but on the other hand I need a gba version of the chromatic.

[zinc dew]

Wasn’t there a bunch of news a couple of weeks ago with a ton of YouTubers covering it?

[slow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[chilly ember]

I’m not subscribed to any of these random YouTubers who got review units so the algorithms didn’t feed me any videos

[zinc dew]

lol imagine not being fed the algorithm, couldn’t be me

[atomic stratus]

I’m waiting for the GBA Pocket

[covert bough]

My algorithm has been all steam machine related

[storm vessel]

I'd like that too. The Arnbernic GBA sized one keeps calling me :/

[covert bough]

what about gamebub?

[zinc dew]

If I were to buy any handheld right now it would be the GameBub

[neat sierra]

How much did they end up charging for that?

[chilly ember]

I don’t think there’s anything officially announced price wise

[magic girder]

We are game bub people now

[chilly ember]

Is that still shipping in may?

[dim kiln]

README 1st
As Scotty once said "I'm giving her all she's got, Captain!"
This core is still based on the January update but runs @100MHz RCP / 125MHz CPU and is really the limit on what the FPGA can do. As such it is required that the Mister setup has a heatsink + fan to give that little extra margin to run stable. If you have a closed box with no extra cooling this core will likely hang in a short order. It should provide a few extra FPS but if you do not have the extra cooling required then I recommend to opt for the 94MHz+ core or even 80MHz.
Enjoy ^^
@zinc dew I can now collect the 100MHz prize

[severe quail]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/wellby-rocket-rocketman-gif-26452710

[topaz otter]

there was a lot of youtubers that came up covering this thing

strangely nobody has complained yet about the bottlecap knob

[magic girder]

Suck it, aluminium case users (@quirrin.)

[green epoch]

what game should I load to test the aluminum cases?

is anything more taxing than something else?

[lament escarp]

I tested mine with mario kart 64

[dim kiln]

leave Kazooie running for 15-20min in attract mode should give you a hint

[green epoch]

conker too I assume?

[dim kiln]

didnt try with that

[green epoch]

its wild how well banjo runs on this tbh

[dim kiln]

🙂

I have played Junkrunner 64 and finished the game on this core so I know that its stable with heatsink + fan

[latent dagger]

Castlevania 64.
Get to the area where there's these big white buildings with a couple coffins inside. Run around this area and let the skeletons spawn in. On original hardware the fps tanks to like 5fps if you let the max number of skellys spawn in. It puts the CPU under full load.

[green epoch]

how far in is that (I have never played c64)

[latent dagger]

Not very far.

Still within the area outside the castle

[green epoch]

let me let banjo attract run for another 15 minutes and see if I get a crash, then I will give it a try

[latent dagger]

Do you have an actual N64 controller? Cuz the controls for this game is one where trying to remap to a more modern controller just doesn't work right

[dim kiln]

I mean I have tried with open case and just a heat sink and it works but a closed box and no heat sink is a lot to ask for in terms of stability as the temperature rise in there is quite high

[green epoch]

I have top men on it

[latent dagger]

Excuse me.... Dafuq is this nonsense

[green epoch]

that was supposed to be a batocera > groovy mister box that never got set up

now it will likely just run open claw or something (i haven't taken it out of the cart)

no crash yet

[dim kiln]

I would still recommend at least a heatsink and not closed box but I guess some might be lucky 😄

[mental citrus]

holy crap

[green epoch]

well with the aluminum case, the whole thing is a heat sink. There is a heat pipe on the CPU that attaches to the top of the case

[lament escarp]

Where are pics of your aluminum case? I scrolled all the way up and nothin'.

[green epoch]

I have a couple

[lament escarp]

I only have the one. thanks for not stealing my color combo.

[green epoch]

I wish I had bought all the colors when they were available

[lament escarp]

That's the first regret I heard anybody having about buying the aluminum case.

[green epoch]

so it crashes immediately on my pink aluminum case, but I think I put too big of a pad on that, so I will pull it apart to check

[dim kiln]

oh like within minutes or like right away?

[green epoch]

as soon as I load the core. don't even get a menu

[magic girder]

Having more than one MiSTer is illegal. You should know that

[green epoch]

I am an unabashed member of the mister bourgeoisie

[chilly ember]

I played facility on goldeneye a few times on the 100 mhz core with the qmtech before I had to leave the house and didn't have any weirdness happen

Doak was never in the right place though so I couldn't finish the level

[severe quail]

What is the best low profile heatsink?

[dim kiln]

I am not sure it would matter much as long as you have one

[slow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-itsworking-gif-5028819

[severe quail]

Yeah, I'm thinking copper vs aluminium with thermal pad or the thinner tape stuff

copper heatsink with the thin tape adhesive is probably best I'd guess

[slow silo]

... we're not going to start going to have elaborate overkill cooling systems for our Mister to run overclocked cores now are we?

[dim kiln]

Everything counts in large amounts which apparently is true for Hz as well

[mental citrus]

what the jesus is that]

its the wii with the juice

if thats maximalism in retro console custom changes, then the kawaii is the complete opposite

[slow silo]

Water cooled Wii, and yes it works

[slow silo]

It was made back when the Wii was still modern

[mental citrus]

thats nutty

[magic girder]

A cool slim profile MiSTer like this would be pretty cool

(Basically just get a regular MiSTer and encase it in aluminium, but you’d need one of the clones with built in SDRAM)

[kind solar]

i have a noctua and a copper heatsink so i'm set

[magic girder]

Best setup

[slow silo]

Same

Actually, I don't recall if my heat sink is copper but close enough

[magic girder]

Copper heatsinks are the best

[severe quail]

Waiting for the @fallen sparrow & @cerulean elk N64 100MHz unlimited power vids 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

Wudda Miss?

[severe quail]

#1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

lol “how to overheat your MiSTer…the easy way” titled

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks

Appretiate you always pinging us

[severe quail]

Thank you @dim kiln 🌽

[dim kiln]

And yeah don't miss to read the warning label 😄

[mental citrus]

better put disclaimers on those videos

[chilly ember]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[mental citrus]

people are liable to burn their house down

[cerulean elk]

lol you sound like Voultar now

When porkchops boards were apparently so unsafe they could burn your house down…but this OTHER maker who’s my friend does it right!

[dim kiln]

I think as I wrote you need a heatsink and a well ventilated case to add some margin on the FPGA timings

A bare FPGA inside a closed case better stay on the previous clocks

[green epoch]

I can safely say that the build runs fine with Porkchop’s armor

[coral hill]

Does an FPGA have inherently less input lag than a software emulator, if you exclude the OS, drivers and any other software that could drag an emulator back?

Meaning the emulator itself, assuming it's as good and as accurate as it can be, adds unavoidable input lag?

[calm anvil]

Super excited to get the M64 to support Robert and see what he can do with less restrictions

[tough bison]

I'm no expert, but I think the idea with hardware emulation like the mister is that it's more parallelized then traditional software emulators which allows for less input lag

but I know there are lots of techniques software emulators use to reduce lag with rollback like methods

[floral mulch]

I think it's less the software and more the fact that hardware itself introduces limitations

[dim kiln]

it kind of depends but for example if you are counting CPU cycles (for timers and such) to fire and IRQ at the correct time it is very easy to do in a FPGA just like the real hardware but in software you have to do tricks or it will be very expensive and complicated

writing this hardware is still a bit messy and is in some ways software emulation is easier to test since you see results much faster so it can be easier to develop after all

[cerulean elk]

aluminum job?

[zinc dew]

Yes

[magic girder]

Yes

[lament escarp]

I'll steal that phrasing.

[magic girder]

As long as you spell it right

[lament escarp]

Aluminium job! 🧐

It's actually very easy to remember as it's also aluminium in German. Only the Yankees drop the i.

[mossy vector]

Tired joke, the English changed the name, USA never did.

Same thing with inch and feet. It came from Europe, then they changed their whole system. Whatever.

[dim kiln]

one foot, two feet but a two foot pole that is two feet tall

[cerulean elk]

lol am I the only person to use the term job to describe an object and way of doing things in tandem?

The aluminum job? The plastic job?

The behind the Wendy’s gluck gluck $20 job?

[magic girder]

An FPGA job

[lament escarp]

We still don't have Wendy's. It's cruel to keep telling me about handys behind Wendy's when it would get me deported to El Salvador right now.

[mossy vector]

Wendy is 64 years old.

I looked it up and she actually is 64.

[cerulean elk]

Wendy'y handies are worth the risk

[chilly ember]

What about wendy's frosty's?

[weary palm]

The whole world, not the English.

[mossy vector]

assign blame to Sir Humphry Davy. the packet loss across the ocean was pretty substantial. never got the message that it changed.

[magic girder]

Imagine trying to align with international bodies

[wanton sun]

Keep in mind that heatsink and fan will not guarantee anything. It highly depends on each individual silicon.
This new core runs so far out of spec, that on the "best" chips, it runs stable until maybe 60°C before it crashes.
On "bad" ones maybe already at 20°C.
Due to the random routing, the exact same code could lead to swapped good and bad in the very next build.
But maybe overclocking this core further with liquid cooling to finally get 30 fps conker intro is fun as well for some 😅

[chilly ember]

What AIO do people reccomend for MiSTer?

[green epoch]

I want one with a screen

so I can have a weed leaf

[chilly ember]

I'd put a raspi logo on the screen

[dim kiln]

A generic heatsink with a slow spinning fan should suffice. The FPGA silicon is not the same in all units so to know if its worth while it should run Kazzoie in a loop for a minute or two then the extra cooling will likely work but if it fail right away then hope is lost I am afraid...

its not really increasing the temperature much is any but it needs lower temps to add that extra margin on the timings and run stable

[chilly ember]

I tried the core a bunch tonight trying to finish facility on goldeneye in 2 mins on 00 agent but I was too rusty. I haven't had any issues I just think it'd be funny to put an AIO on a MiSTer

[mental citrus]

i tried tony hawk for a little bit

people watching my stream said the intro appeared to run slightly faster than normal

but otherwise it was mostly stable feeling for me

here is the timestamp on the vod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI27QtSkXAU&t=8300s

[dim kiln]

you can expect up ~60% faster FPS coming from the stock core unless the FPS are locked of course...

[dim kiln]

https://youtu.be/sansnGcPWIQ?t=1104

[magic girder]

Or you guys could just get used to the framerates that we played with back in the day

It wouldn’t be the N64 without awful framerates

[lament escarp]

60fps only got introduced on ps5 and xbox series x. Dunno why people expect 30 year old consoles to have next gen features.

[storm vessel]

I'm somewhat sure I've got a heat sink, and know for sure I've got a Noctua fan in there... Does the DE10 put out enough heat to notice it on the fan's output or no? Cuz mine is still just blowing cool air and I've run the 100MHz core for a while now on Banjo-Kazooie

[dim kiln]

You dont have to worry that something will break. The added thermal from the N64 is negligible in comparison to what the two ARM cores running @800MHz adds. Its just the as temperature gets higher the timings in the FPGA will get reduced so having a cooler FPGA adds margin on the timing for the N64 core. There is also the fact that all chips are individuals so some might be more lucky than others. I suppose that if someone really want to go crazy one could reduce the heat from the ARM cores by down clocking those and add margin that way... but that not something I have tested but would potentially be a viable way if its doable...

[storm vessel]

Thanks for the further clarification on that. The Noctua fan does it's job so I guess if something is warm that should help it out a bit in addition to the silicon lottery

It's working nicely on BK can't tell if it's dipping below 30fps or not. Conker's intro into the tavern is still chunky but that I guess is Rare overcooking the N64 idk

[weary palm]

Are those "stick renovation" kits any good?

[amber fjord]

that looks like Kitsch-Bent's kit, those are fairly decent

[weary palm]

So what's not great about them? 😅

[amber fjord]

they arent quite the same texture as originals

[lament escarp]

It's still an n64 stick.

[amber fjord]

they are just as accurate as the originals

better than any modern stick drift controller

[weary palm]

That's what I'm comparing against.

[weary palm]

@dim kiln I have been running the Banjo Kazooie demo @100MHz for 4 hours now without issue. Small heatsink and fan. Will run it for 24 and call it a win. 😊

[kind solar]

heard the kitsch bent require a bit of fine tuning yourself but can be good

[weary palm]

Yeah like you need to trim the flash/parting lines. But that's 5 minutes with a scalpel.

[weary palm]

20/30 fps is cinematic.

We don't want that soap opera effect.

[floral mulch]

TBH I think part of the problem is just that CRTs have phosphor persistence

This had a smoothing effect that made the framerate feel higher

[weary palm]

I don't remember it feeling any smoother when I played on a CRT the last time? Is the consensus that it feels smoother?

[floral mulch]

Might depend on the CRT in question

[weary palm]

The phosphor persistence is much less than a frame in duration (<5ms).

[lament escarp]

Depends on the framerate.

[weary palm]

Depends on the ambient lighting.

[chilly ember]

Depends on your eyesight

[weary palm]

Depends on if you're on drugs.

[severe quail]

Depends on 🌽

[magic girder]

I just slow the refresh rate of my eyes down to match the framerate. Very smooth then

[severe quail]

That just happens when you get older, everything looks like 1970's night time footage

[weary palm]

I don't think the eyes send frames to the brain. 😅

[mossy vector]

90s players were trained by reinforcement to play at a pace the machine could keep up with. For example inching forward and picking off opponents one by one before too many got onscreen at once. Or completely clearing a room so when entering the next, there wasn't too much in memory.

It was the most manual form of increasing framerate. If something was going to create a ton of translucent smoke, just don't do it. Don't look up, if that was going to cause slowdown. Unless tanking the framerate was for fun or strategy like in GoldenEye.

[weary palm]

Nokia Snake is like 5 frames a second when it's fast!

[kind solar]

been running conker for the past few hours on the 100mhz core no probs

(fan and heatsink gang)

[topaz otter]

If you want a real heat test

Play turok 2 and do the cave of the blind ones

That shit nearly killed my actual n64

[weary palm]

Banjo has been running for 15 hours or so now. 😅

[slow silo]

So wha am I looking for by leaving Banjo running on the 100mhz core, will it crash or desync or have visual artifacts or something?

[weary palm]

I'm just checking if it'll crash. Before I start playing anything I want to make sure it stable on my silicon.

Don't want to be two hours deep into OoT Water Temple or somethibg without saving. 😅

[topaz otter]

the sun mask quest in majoras mask

i think it takes like an actual hour to do it and if you mess it up you have to start the quest over

[weary palm]

Very frustrating game that one. Stopped playing it right before the stone tower back in the day. Have never finished it.

[topaz otter]

the hard part of that quest is all the important parts take place at certain times on certain days

and it takes the entire cycle to complete it

and theres a dungeon at the very end which you have to do splitting between being link and kafe

its not that hard but if you mess up you have to start a new cycle

[weary palm]

Having to start dungeons over was a total bummer and I got fed up with it.

And fuck those stray fairies 🤣

[topaz otter]

the good part is once you done a dungeon and got the mask or whatever its permanent

[topaz otter]

theres a great fairy mask that draws them to you

[weary palm]

Yes. It's like one of the first masks you get.

I've played the first half of MM like four times. I wanted to give it another chance.

It's not baaad, but it's definitely not my type of Zelda game. I love the atmosphere, though.

If I were to give it another chance I should change my play style, I guess... There's no time to explore every cranny.

Even with song of reverse time.

[zinc dew]

Thanks, that helps with my bitcoin farming script

[neat sierra]

That’s got some real will smith spaghetti vibes

[weary palm]

My grandmother did this in Sony Vegas.

[zinc dew]

I do wear two baseball caps, pretending I got a Sherlock Holmes hat

[weary palm]

Wait... This one turned out better.

That's what you get for installing crypto miners on my mister.

[zinc dew]

LOL what’s up with the disgusted yucks at the beginning

[weary palm]

That's what you do Robby "dad noises" Garcia-Lago

(please don't h4xx0r me)

[storm vessel]

Did the hamster's cheek get filled up with Robby before the entree'?

[weary palm]

So much protein

[chilly ember]

The Conker's Bad Fur Day intro is looking so much smoother compared to stock with the 100 MHz core

Stock for reference

[chilly ember]

80 MHz core

and 94 MHz core just because

[magic girder]

He’s drunk, the slower framerate adds to the immersion

[kind solar]

ive had conker running for 12 hours now

using my noctua fan+copper heat sink

only mildy warm

underneath

[severe quail]

Would Turok 3 not be a good test?

[weary palm]

I agree. I always dip to around 8 fps when I'm drunk.

[weary palm]

Anything with a running demo is a good test. Actually playing a game for hours is an even better one.

[kind solar]

i def didn't play conker all night

only a degenerate would do that 👀

i'll leave it running on the opening screens for the day see if it crashes eventually

[weary palm]

There are lots of degenerates here. Hi, I'm yxkalle.

[lament escarp]

Tell me you're a peasant without telling me you're a peasant.

[severe quail]

Games that can do a rolling demo in a high resolution mode

[weary palm]

The 0.1GHz core has been running Banjo for 24 hours now. I'd call that a win!

[severe quail]

https://tenor.com/view/duracell-bunny-battery-batteries-power-gif-12343260

[weary palm]

Yeah. I'm more familiar with the Duracell Bunny too tbh.

[topaz otter]

Don't try to do everything in one cycle is my advice

[weary palm]

I don't think that's possible without glitches anyway.

And whats the deal with not being able to save properly?

Sob...

[topaz otter]

No because the engine is more optimized for frame rate, it runs a lot better than T2

It's the same engine as armorines, runs like butter

[topaz otter]

You can save any time at owl statues

It's a temp save and you load back to it

[weary palm]

Like I don't know that.

[topaz otter]

It's like a bookmark

[weary palm]

A save I can only use once is stupid.

That what I meant by "properly".

That's more like a pause button. 🤣

[topaz otter]

Really the whole game revolves around resetting the cycle, when you do it's a permanent save

But even if you had a quick save you would still eventually run out of time

[weary palm]

Stop explaining the game to me. Thx. 🤣

[topaz otter]

That's what we do here

[magic girder]

you should be gatekeeping

[weary palm]

Ben kinda drowned.

[topaz otter]

We don't play games only tell other people how great they are

[weary palm]

Like Quest 64

[topaz otter]

It's now decomped so PC players can enjoy it also

[weary palm]

I guess I would enjoy the 3DS version.

Of MajMas

[topaz otter]

It's way easier

There's a lot qol changes

The giant fish boss is changed

[weary palm]

I can save

[topaz otter]

Yeah in 3d the owl statues are permanent saves

[weary palm]

I don't have to redo stuff if I die. Joy.

Another thing about MM is that some things are close to impossible to figure out blind. I could 100% OoT without a guide.

[slow silo]

I don't recall if I used a guide for MM, I played it a few years ago finally and 100%ed it

... I had pre-ordered it on my N64, played it for like an hour and put it down... then like 25 years later actually played through it for real XD

.. I decided to start a new save file rather than try to remember what I was doing 25 years ago on my original one XD

[weary palm]

I don't have the copy I bought in 2000. I think I bought my current one around 2007 or so.

[kind solar]

Tell me you’re frying eggs on your mister case without telling me your frying eggs on your mister case

[kind solar]

Conker still running after 24 hours and case lukewarm

[magic girder]

Tell me you’re not an aluminium case user without telling me you’re not an aluminium case user

[kind solar]

side note: i just got to the bit of conker's that parodies the matrix

i gave up on the game for a while because the zombies frustrated me

[chilly ember]

The zombie part was one of my favourite parts as a kid but these day i'm not a big fan of collecting the keys to finish the level

It wouldn't be so bad if you got a checkpoint per key in case you die so you don't have to start it completely over

[narrow sleet]

Has anyone tried this one MiSTer multi system board? I may have to crack it out and give it a go tomorrow!

[latent dagger]

@green epoch did you ever get around to trying Castlevania on the 100 megahertz?

[green epoch]

shit, no, I didn't

but I will

I found another rabbit hole in the interim

[kind solar]

was the graveyard that got me

like, oh here's a new mechanic and also several zombies at once

[bright lotus]

do I have a bad rom, or Shadows of the Empire has odd corruptions in the core?

mostly the title screen, Game Over and this train level

[worn delta]

Recommend is HTGDB/No Intro ROMs, grab one from there and check. I would be surprised if this was missed, but strange things happen

[mossy vector]

What do you feel is wrong in that screenshot?

Textures with transparent holes need to be drawn back to front on n64. But nah that's too much work. So games didn't bother.

[kind solar]

finished conker (in the 100mhz core but i'd played about half of it on the regular core already)

[mossy vector]

The square landing zone top-left should obviously be drawn behind the oil. But nah, the player would never, ever look from this direction.

[bright lotus]

the purple wireframe

I've redownloaded all the roms with revisions and I am seeing junk like that

oh, nevermind, it's baked into the game https://youtu.be/6aFMsFdYCRw?t=131

[magic girder]

MiSTer wins again!

[weary perch]

sorting is hard and z buffer is bandwidth-expensive

i think part of f-zero x's performance is benefitted by no z buffer, sorting is handled more efficiently. easier in some kinds of games than others

[mossy vector]

Yeah. Roads can easily be drawn without depth buffer. The yellow speed chevrons are cut off very often where they overlap two track segments.
In this case Wesley was uncertain about the color choices. I couldn't honestly tell you if a tie fighter's laser is lime green either.

[bright lotus]

I also wonder what did LRG do to this game, their rom is 16mb while the original rom and its revisions are 12mb

[blissful plaza]

More "Baby Wampas!" as padding to 16MB.

Some copyright changes, data shifted & an Ozidual signature inside the header of the game.

[weary perch]

i extracted the excitebike ROM from Excitebike 64. the whole ROM is loaded into RDRAM when you load up the emulator in game, you can pull the ROM directly from there, or you can get it by decompressing the ROM binary itself first using Zoinkity's midwaydec decompressor tool

USA version matches JU ROM (minus headers, and mirroring some of the data)
EUR version matches PAL ROM also minus headers

i haven't gotten the iQue version out but it appears to be entirely based on USA Rev 1 and appears to be the JU ROM so should be the same

eventually i'll try to put some other ROM back in there and see what happens with other mapper 0 ROMs. but that will take way more work haha

[bright lotus]

I just realized that the "green junk" is Tie's green blaster fire

but still doesn't excuse Deluxe Paint's leftovers on the borders

or weird color glitches in the train level

[topaz otter]

Probably the dumper they used to get the rom added extra bytes for padding

[bright lotus]

for a game developed exclusively inside an emulator it has pretty okay framerate that never dips like Goldeneye

[verbal urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-mcloud-star-fox-star-fox-64-talking-gif-252206061798875810

[magic girder]

So, anyone planning on playing Star Fox 64 on the core?

[ember pewter]

Nope, this core is purely a Quest64 core as far as I'm concerned

[severe quail]

dave wong giving everyone the willies again.

[ember pewter]

[dry oak]

I only play Lylat Wars on the core

[covert bough]

I think the new remake looks kinda cool. But granted I never played the n64 original

Character models are a little weird I feel like fox has a double chin

[bright lotus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392161559754833922/1501904225985233009/RDT_20260506_2204238888349703486413367.jpg?ex=69fdc4cf&is=69fc734f&hm=fbea61e9ba512fa4e4cee7c22c51347a187c905fc952b43d6d258baa87e4dc7d&

[covert bough]

Don’t forget we have realistic halo on the way as well

Fox looked great in the Mario galaxy movie they could have just done that

[iron wren]

On the flip side it’s given us great reaction images

[blazing knot]

https://bsky.app/profile/nintendooamerica.bsky.social/post/3ml7pzcles22i

Nintendo of America (@nintendooamerica.bsky.social)

We're so sorry for making Falco unfuckable, we're dipping the artist responsible in sludge.

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[iron wren]

Phew thank goodness

[zinc dew]

Man, what the hyeeeeck

[topaz otter]

they made the starfox team pretty hideous to be honest

[magic girder]

I like how it looks

[tepid shuttle]

friendly reminder to everyone that you can play a decompiled, native PC port of star fox 64 for free right now

instead of giving nintendo $60 to play whatever turd they shit out

[magic girder]

Why not both?

Or play it on the N64 core

[covert bough]

It’s actually 50 bucks lol

[magic girder]

Don’t let facts get in the way of internet outrage

[tepid shuttle]

physical is $60 iirc

[slow silo]

$50 digital, $60 physical

[devout belfry]

is there a sane way to have the n64 core run the 64dd bios when the core starts?

[covert bough]

I think Walmart has a price match loophole thingy

[weary palm]

You could do that with an .mgl file, I guess?

Like how it's done here: https://github.com/uberyoji/mister-boot-roms

[devout belfry]

Gotcha, seems pretty straightforward

What's the index for? Thats the only part i dont quite get

Im guessing its ordering for if you load multiple roms in a row?

[ember pewter]

index: Pointer to slot where file is loaded in core.

You can find required the values for the MGL files here: https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/mrext/blob/main/docs/systems.md

[devout belfry]

What's meant by "slot" exactly?

I mean, this gives me enough info to make a .mgl file for what i need (thanks btw), now im just curious

[ember pewter]

Yeah sorry idk that's getting a bit deeper into the cores for me to know exactly what it means

[mint shadow]

Each load option in the OSD corresponds to an index, for cores that have multiple load options the index is specifically which one is for which load option. For example the Atari Jaguar can load carts and CDs, so an mgl for a cart game would use a different index than it would for the CD file. The ao486 uses multiple indices in an mgl files to set a vhd and a cd at the same time

Indices are core specific, you have to look up the info for them to know what to set, and what type is required for that index

[slow silo]

What about those autoboot versions? Can't you make a modified version of the MGL for those to boot the 64dd bios instead of the homebrew rom?

[zinc dew]

I also love it

Give me gnarly looking animals out for blood, give em rabies

[magic girder]

Don’t say it too loudly. The internet needs to be full of people being outraged

It’s not cool to like anything a company does any longer

Remember, everything modern = bad

Corporations = bad

[devout belfry]

That's what i was looking for, thanks!

[devout belfry]

Isnt that literally what was already suggested?

[worn delta]

On the 64DD BIOS, I don't remember seeing anyone load that on the core, I am not sure it has what is needed to boot it but I may be wrong

[devout belfry]

Yeah i had that thought too, i wasnt sure if it was even possible to boot it in the first place

I thought the core had 64dd compatibility but realised i might've been thinking of the summercart

[worn delta]

Summercart does but the core does not

[weary palm]

That's exactly what you should do

[devout belfry]

Welp, moot point i guess

But i learned something about .mgl files

So if it ever gets 64DD support i know what to do

Thanks yall

[worn delta]

The issue for not getting native 64DD support is lack of space/resources as the N64 core is already full. I am a bit surprised nobody has yet made an attempt to fork the core, remove unneeded features and port over the Summercart 64DD support, especially with AI now being utilised. Maybe someone competent will give it a go at some point and see if it is viable to have a sister 64DD core

[weary palm]

I don't think there is a BIOS ROM that floating around that boots on the MiSTer core anyway, so I guess it won't work as a boot rom...

is IPL 8303 implemented?

[potent inlet]

granted, this probably doesnt help lol

N64_DEV_FLASH_IPL_256MBIT_ROM_DUMP

from a dev cartridge

but is cool to see

the regular IPLs wont boot

[night saddle]

Reminder for anyone who wants to submit track times for our Beetle Adventure Racing (N64) ⁠#game-challenge - this is the final weekend to submit scores!

[topaz otter]

i heard they designed them like that because this is an east vs west furry war

its a shot across the bow

[wanton sun]

AI will not solve this yet, it constantly falls back to using HDL as normal programming language, which results in things that need to happen in a specific clock cycle to be completly off

[magic girder]

Starting to wish I was a HDL developer right now 😅

[topaz otter]

just learn to code

or whatever

[worn delta]

I don't expect AI would be able to do proper HDL and make clean cores of complex systems anytime soon, but we are now seeing top Devs utilising it to massively speed up development of cores and people without experience being able to add features and contribute (even if the code needs reworked).

[topaz otter]

actually I cant say anything because I've mastered glovepie spaghetti code

you cant do a do while loop in it 😮

[wanton sun]

are we? are there any examples you could point me to?
Would be great to know. So far the only things I had success with are testbenches as they can run code just like "normal programming languages"

[worn delta]

Kitrinx and Wikka are the people to talk to there, maybe ask in tech dev

[woeful grove]

it can if you constreain and monitor it well enough

but it tends to be extremely inefficient and write serialized style code, like software

you'd have to really break it down to tiny chunks

[twin barn]

Yeah AI doesnt have the capacity to have a concept of "state" which is why it struggles with specific clock cycle stuff.

[ebon kindle]

Players 3 and 4 on my SNAC adapter just do not work at all. Is it because something voltage related or the quality of the SNAC adapter itself?

[desert crow]

you enabled all 4 by setting pad# to snac in osd options?

[ebon kindle]

I have

[desert crow]

there is a controller test rom that shows all 4 controllers. You should probably use a short usb3 extension cable with that to reduce strain on the usb. it's a pretty simple adapter there's not much that could be wrong.

[slow silo]

Just a shot in the dark: Are you using the level shifter? IIRC you are NOT supposed to use it for N64 and PSX, even though pretty much everything else needs it

[severe quail]

@slow silo needs this program for the SEGA Saturn 3D Controller 😀

[slow silo]

?

I have a beta saturn version of 240p test suite

My issue is that there is a switch on the controller that has no mapping in the core, and it makes the controller not work for the majority of saturn games and requires you to switch to a different controller

[severe quail]

Are you talking about the input selector switch

[slow silo]

The one that switches between analog and digital, yeah

[dim kiln]

So whats the verdict on the 100MHz core?
Does it work for most or does many have issues with it?

[dim kiln]

Seems there is a new update on TR 😄
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLqkB9KfhRA

[severe quail]

Seems like it has been working for the people I've seen in chat. 👍

[dim kiln]

I think thejesusfish had some issues on some of his "lesser" platforms but I have not seen anyone complain here so I was a bit curious...

[green epoch]

it’s had it crash on 2 misters. one de10, one qmtech

(out of 10 misters tested)

[quick arch]

n64-systemtest has some updates
https://github.com/lemmy-64/n64-systemtest/commit/6d88bd4f82d8c9db241a2436243b83062f5f98ac

[worn delta]

Do we have a compile of the new tests?

[quick arch]

i couldn't compile on my side for the moment

[languid dune]

This is the final day to submit track times for the Beetle Adventure Racing game-challenge! Just fire it up and have fun with it!

[severe quail]

No https://thegameexperts.com.au/cdn/shop/files/IMG_6960_2048x2048.jpg?v=1717738818

[languid dune]

hashtag not my Adventure Racing!

[thorn flax]

impressive to see it without the usual wobbling polygons of the Saturn & PS1

[dim kiln]

indeed

[pliant valve]

This thread is named incorrectly, if you are going to be anal about putting the company name in front of every name. Calling the thread "Nintendo 64" implies that the system is named the 64.

It would have to be the Nintendo Nintendo 64.

This also applies to the NES, since if each channel has the company name in front of the system name, it is called the Entertainment System.

[tepid shuttle]

call it the Nintendo Ultra 64 as god intended

[iron dove]

Nintendo® Nintendo®⁶⁴

[atomic stratus]

I have this same issue with my names.txt file 😅

[zinc dew]

My names.txt calls it the Nintendo N64

To go with the Nintendo NES, and Nintendo Super NES

Because I am an avant garde artist fighting for our rights of self expression

[cyan dome]

i think the nintendo n64 sucks compared to sega sega dreamcast

[atomic stratus]

I go with Proper names (for now):

Nintendo - Nintendo 64
Nintendo - Nintendo Entertainment System
Nintendo - Super Nintendo Entertainment System

[zinc dew]

Yeah and I like that too but then it’s gotta do a little scroll

[atomic stratus]

yes this is my struggle as well

[slow silo]

The Nintendo Famicom 64

[cyan dome]

i play nintendo nintendo entertainment system

from nintendo

there is no such thing as a nintendo

[slow silo]

there is no ||such thing as a|| nintendo

[polar raft]

nintendo

[wanton sun]

did anyone try yet? https://artemiourbina.itch.io/240p-test-suite/devlog/1501968/nintendo-64-240p-test-suite-release-candidate

[mental citrus]

works great over here

direct video enabled, on mister PI

retrotink 4k upscaling

these are the versions im using

[mental citrus]

Also works well on SS One using VGA out to Component on a CRT.

I could also test on real hardware w/ summer cart if you want, but I assume you're asking since you want to make sure the mister core is working as intended

[wanton sun]

yes, thank you both!

[mental citrus]

My CRT probably has a healthy overscan area near the bottom but the resolution number got clipped a little near the bottom right

might be worth looking into the overscan safe areas, or maybe making the NTSC in-line with the resolution

so its just two lines of text instead of three total

i.e. NTSC - 320x240p, etc etc

[weary palm]

Yes. It's called 64.

[weary palm]

Oof.

[mental citrus]

I should mention on this recording, I was looking at it again, and apparently I stopped the timer at EXACTLY one second LOL

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/91Yy.gif

[topaz otter]

It's like Mario is Mario mario

And Luigi is Luigi mario

[topaz otter]

Thats fighter pilot reaction time

[severe quail]

Or @languid dune

[paper crescent]

Reminds me of the psychiatrist/chef on Bones, Gordon Gordon Wyatt

[high tulip]

does the hey you pikachu mic work with the n64 core?

[iron wren]

It should through SNAC

[surreal dome]

anybody has issues trying to use snac for goldeneye 007 where when you hit down all the way it goes up? It only does it with that game

[mossy vector]

You wanted the authentic snap experience, so enjoy. Try running in person mode in blast corps. I bet he'll just stop and then slightly walk backwards. Many games mess up when the stick goes outside the official range.

[surreal dome]

Looks like a core issue to me... Just wanted to know if this is known, that's all

[mossy vector]

Compare your stick range with the official spec with something like this. https://github.com/wermipls/mimi

[warped cobalt]

Many RDP tests in the official Nintendo runtime test rom fail. Or maybe I have some wrong core settings?

BTW the controller test on there is pretty awesome to check your mapping:

[mossy vector]

So. What is the laziest way to factory check a mass produced system? Checksum every rendered frame. As in add up every pixel value after rendering a scene and then compare to a table. Not a fair test.

[slow silo]

The N64 core is not 1:1, the DE-10 is not capapible of it. It's missing some functions no retail games used, I think also it's missing the 9th memory bit and has slightly higher memory latency

[dim kiln]

it has 9bit but in a sneaky way with the help of the second memory (SDRAM) but yeah it is very very close in many aspects but some shortcuts was also made which makes small divergence from real HW that usually would be hard to even notice...

[slow silo]

Oh, it does have the 9th bit? Intersting, it failed those homebrew 9th bit tests

[dim kiln]

normally 9th bit is only visible to the RCP but there is some trick that makes it possible for the CPU to see it but as far as know it is never used in normal use but that part might be the reason it still fails in the tests ...

[drowsy lantern]

Also the TLB implementation had to be "hacked" in and it causes some slowdown in games that uses it, like Killer Instinct Gold.

[chilly pivot]

So analogue 3d got now save state

https://www.analogue.co/support/3d/firmware/1.3.0

[blazing knot]

😴

[severe quail]

🛌

[digital remnant]

https://youtu.be/eGS9su_inBY

[digital remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgg7pXWg3h4

[chilly ember]

Crazy they fit all of elden ring on the N64

[quick arch]

It shows black screen with last update (auto build by ci)

[blazing knot]

Shame they couldn’t have done that with a good game instead

[slow silo]

If the Elder Ring fans ever make out of the poison swamps you're in big trouble, assuming they don't run out of stamina going after you

[topaz otter]

didn't they find out that 80% of players never made it past the first boss

[slow silo]

No idea, but I would not be surprised

Honestly, just about every game on Steam that basically has a "You started a new game" style achivement, something like 10% of players won't even have that

[cyan dome]

does steam count people with the game in its library or do you have to launch it for it to count

many people have buying games they never play as their hobby

[slow silo]

I am not sure if they count people who even just have the game in their library, installed but not played, or people who have booted up the game at least once

[magic girder]

Please don’t shame me

[slow silo]

Yeah, heh heh heh, who would do something crazy like that? Heh heh heh...

[magic girder]

I will play them one day, I swear!

[slow silo]

OF COURSE!

I mean, to be fair, there are some games I have zero interest in playing just because they came as part of a humble bundle that had several other games I did want to play, but that's only a small part of my library

[latent dagger]

Bro the bundle buying is what does this

You get hooked on it for a while and then all of a sudden you have all these games

I got into buying bundles from Fanatical (formerly Bundle Stars) for a while

[cyan dome]

you have it bad when you didnt just buy bundles on humble bundle but you got bundles from INDIE ROYALE

[latent dagger]

I got into doing the whole build your own bundle thing and having to pick some games I didn't care about to be able to get the ones I did care about for the good prices. Then sometimes I'd let myself get suckered into a cheap random key pack for a couple bucks type deal during checkout

[floral mulch]

Some people run a software that launches all their games to get cards to sell

[slow silo]

Was that the one that used Desura? I don't even remember but I got so into bundles in the early days of them that I was getting these really weird off indie games that weren't even on Steam but Desura from them, stopped using that site after 2-3 times becuase I was like "WTF am I purchasing?" Though eventually it became pointless because the bundles started to all have teh same games I got forever ago XD

[slow silo]

Never went for the random keys because I didn't want to bother paying for a game that isn't even in a genre I would ever want to play, and I figured there was likely a big chance of that happening

[cyan dome]

yes, desura

[slow silo]

I don't remember if I backed up my Desura library or not before it went down, I recall there was some oddball games on there based on doom that werne't on steam, I think doom rpg or something?

[quick arch]

https://x.com/LambdaGen/status/2056074494188380432?s=20

LambdaGeneration (@LambdaGen)

User @UnhealthyGrapej managed to get Half-Life (on Xash3D engine), to run on the Nintendo64! Watch it on the video below!

Read the description for more info and to get the source code/ROM!

X · May 17, 2026, 6:08 PM

[vapid hawk]

why would you go to all the bother of making something like that then post it on x for only fascists and morons to see

[tepid shuttle]

because if it was posted on bluesky it would reach an audience of about 3 people

[wanton sun]

the video itself is on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyD48EksgNI

[scenic vapor]

Well. Nice POC, but... is it still Half Life?

[iron wren]

Xash3d is generally accepted as “still half life” in the same sense as openmw is “still Morrowind”, this port is a bit barebones but xash3d is generally pretty spot on

[latent dagger]

all it took was one dude porting Portal to the N64

[topaz otter]

i feel 🎯 ed

[lament escarp]

Don't, it's a fact that buying modern games is more fun than playing them.

[topaz otter]

They should make collecting games into a game

[lament escarp]

They'd mess that up as well.

[magic girder]

Games only added during a day 1 patch

[hasty musk]

i saw someone made a tiny elden ring demake n64

[quick arch]

https://x.com/RobertDaleSmith/status/2056946812901044451?s=20

Robert Dale Smith (@RobertDaleSmith)

I made a Nintendo 64 rom.

Tests
- N64 Controller
- N64 Mouse
- N64 Mic (needs tester)
- Memory Pak
- Rumble Pak
- Transfer Pak
- Bio Sensor
- GameCube controllers
- GameCube GBA Link Cable

▶ Play video

X · May 20, 2026, 3:55 AM

[floral mulch]

This is amazing. A few months ago, I tried out all the "controller test" options and none of them to my knowledge let you verify that every button worked (I just wanted to make sure I bound things properly)

[ember pewter]

This is pretty wild https://github.com/ThroatyMumbo/WinCE64

[zinc dew]

lol his name

[slow silo]

Imagine "Eekum Bokum" but in a deep voice

[magic girder]

https://youtu.be/-GjdmkjOI7w

[topaz otter]

this is a crazy project because windows CE runs on all those palm pilots

and some of them have even less horsepower and ram than the N64

[slow silo]

Didn't Windows CE also run on the Dreamcast?

[zinc dew]

I think it was an option but hardly no games used it

Sega Rally 2 is the most notable game that used Windows CE

[slow silo]

I only recall some worms game using it

[zinc dew]

Yeah probably

https://segaretro.org/Windows_CE

Way more games than I thought!

[topaz otter]

windows ce was the sdk for the dreamcast

only 80 games used it

which is 40 more games the entire N64 library

[zinc dew]

lolol

[mossy vector]

And the N64 used a bare bones cooperative thread scheduler which most games didn't actually schedule multiple tasks with, and instead wrote their own thread scheduler from that one thread that never yieldedl. To paraphrase, N64 didn't need no OS.

[topaz otter]

I know I missed an "an" in that last post, spellchecker man, it made robby lol

so now I can go to bed

[iron wren]

Splinter cell did too, didn’t it?

Rainbow six, my bad

You could always tell which games used it because they had absolutely horrendous load times, even for the period

[slow silo]

I could tell which games used it because I could never manage to hack their isos to be self-booting, back when it wasn't common to find pre-made cdi files that self boot if burned 🤣

... probably also the contents of the iso, I forget, it's been like 30 years. Other than having to manually write a single session of a 4 second audio track and then the second session as a data track using some command line app I don't remember anything about how it was done anymore

[severe quail]

That's 80 games that had their max potential frame rate sliced in half

[dim kiln]

thats why sega rally 2 is choppy....

[severe quail]

SEGA Choppy Championship! vroom

Not as bad as the SEGA Touring Car Championship port on Saturn though

[weary palm]

What about 3D math, lighting, culling etc?

[dim kiln]

that is handled by the libultra

and the ucode

today that would be libdragon and tiny3D

[weary palm]

Oh. I was confused. I thought the scheduler and libultra was a package.

[weary palm]

I hope they one day finish the migration from libultra to libdragon for Portal64.

https://github.com/mwpenny/portal64-still-alive/blob/master/documentation/n64_library_usage.md

[weary palm]

The game is almost completed now. Chamber 17 is pretty much done.

Random question about the core: Does dithering do anything when 24-bit color depth is enabled?

[wanton sun]

yes, those are fully distinct.
N64 VI does only output 7 bits of color to the DAC, while having the full 8 bit per color after VI (dedither, antialiasing, scaling, ....)
Dithering on the other hand is a rendering (RDP) feature.

[dim kiln]

The dithering is there to hide the color banding from the usually palatalized textures but I am not sure if the textures them self have some sort of dithering prior to the the VI dithering as well

[zinc dew]

I hope not, Libdragon doesn’t work on the n64 core

the funky text issue got fixed?

[wanton sun]

Yes 🙂

[zinc dew]

Oh wow, that’s nuts. Way to go!

[wanton sun]

Quite some changes needed to be done. So testing for regressions on other games would be great.

(had to make the RDP pipeline one stage longer to allow for the texture fetch, otherwise max RDP clock would dropped to half)

[chrome quest]

I remember finding that on the testing sheet back ages ago now it seems! Cool to see it was figured out

[robust jasper]

Does the Nintendo Switch Online N64 controller work with the core?

[wanton sun]

yes (it works with all cores when mapped correct, it's great also for GB/GBA)

[dim kiln]

what do you mean libdragon does not work?
have you tested this? -> https://github.com/lambertjamesd/n64brew2025/releases

[dim kiln]

Unfortunate to have to add one more state... does it always have to go through it or does it depend on the texturing processing in some specific cases?
Never mind I see that it only holds in two cycle mode texturing..

[zinc dew]

Sorry, it’s a meme. I realize that it’s probably not that well known now since we’ve grown quite a bit as a community.

Basically MVG, YouTube guy talked about the MiSTer core, wasn’t very positive on it overall but slammed it for not supporting libdragon when it had for over a year now.

[dim kiln]

I have noticed that this dude while having nice finish on the tube flicks, sometimes does not get the correct picture of things (not knowing the actual details) and yeah I was not aware of this particular escapade 😄

[magic girder]

MiSTer core gets even better!

Thanks FPGAzumSpass

[weary perch]

you are amazing!!

[quick arch]

The version 3.1 is a big step since the 2.1

[weary perch]

i actually spent some time trying to work on RH#002 just to see if I could fix it with the N64brew.dev wiki explanation. the answer was: absolutely not lmao. so i'm extremely happy to see it solved now

this apparently won't be solved in ares until... well. it's not on the horizon. it's a fundamental limitation of parallel-rdp currently

[magic girder]

MiSTer wins again!

[wanton sun]

I wasn't able to solve it myself for quite a while until i realized that it actually does use a sample from the future(next pixel), not one from the past(previous).
That's why the pipeline needs to be longer: when the sample is picked, the next one must be available already.

[wanton sun]

the pipeline could be 1 step shorter for 1 cycle mode, but that is currently not implemented.
Main issue is that other modules work in parallel, so if the length is different, all modules would need to switch between modes and that would be even worse to debug

Also I hate working on this. Any change on the pipeline could result in a regression anywhere, not just textures. Could be coverage(antialiasing), color gradient, blending, z-buffer, ...

This does mean that every polygon now takes 1 cycle longer to draw, but even when we don't know the exact draw times of the n64, i assume it's still faster and for full accuracy would rather need to be slowed down even more.

[dim kiln]

I guess you mean pixel and and not polygon takes one extra cycle so fillrate will drop by ~10%?

[blissful plaza]

On Star Fox 64 (USA), I saw a strange error on the first image of the game here.
Instead of doing a black fade out, it will flicker multiple times.

The other fade outs and fade in are correct on my current gameplay, with the test build from today.

For a comparison with the real hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg2VAw3X5U4

I will check some previous builds.

Okay, this must be a problem specific to my screen, probably related to vsync_adjust=0.
I'm leaving this comment in case anyone else encounters the same issue one day.

[neat sierra]

Robert invented time travel using only an N64

[wanton sun]

No, 1 clock cycle per polygon. All pixels of one draw command are pushed from the rasterizer to the pipeline and the rasterizer will only accept the next when the pipeline is done.
As the pipeline is 1 step longer, it will take 1 additional clock cycle in 1 cycle mode and 2 in 2 cycle mode.
Copy mode is not affected, it's taking the pixel data before the texture select step.

One clock cycle more per pixel would be horrible, as every pixel only takes one clock cycle today (throughput), only latency is higher (pipeline length 9 -> 10)

As each polygon has initial cost anyway, i would expect the fillrate to drop on typical polygons by 0.1-1%. Large ones near zero

[dim kiln]

ok then its no biggie if its per polygon since a it would only loose a few thousand clocks per frame

[wanton sun]

to give you an idea: i simulated 12 ms of drawing for monster truck madness and 6ms for Banjo (to fix some regression) in this timeframe not a single additional draw command was executed. (compared old vs new)
So probably 0.1% is closer to the reality.

[weary perch]

it's an incredible amount of applied knowledge and work for such a small, literally single-game fix that is purely visual and does not affect gameplay. which i mean as a massive compliment and a testament to Robert and the MiSTer core - we got killers on our team 😄

absolutely beautiful

someone invent a time travel machine and go back and tell those devs not to rely on this buggy hardware behavior for their basic text drawing. come on, y'all...

[slow silo]

Soon, soon DK will grab that vine!

[languid dune]

Love seeing new improvements on the core still!

Would love to see the Madden games get fixed some day, but I don't know if that's possible on the DE-10.

[weary perch]

seems like the latter two Madden titles' vertex explosions are somehow tied to timing like the other remaining issues. i had a suspicion that the FPU might be subtly wrong somewhere. based on talking to the ares devs and Rasky in particular, supposedly the FPU is relatively well-understood due to brute-force reverse-engineering and the issue likely lies elsewhere. the issues manifest slightly differently on ares vs the core so i'm inclined to believe the devs did something weird that assumes exact N64 timing and that assumption breaks in heavier scenes. not really sure though, it's a strange one

[wanton sun]

I haven't seen the issues in Madden on M64, so it's for sure not FPU related as that is unchanged.
So unless i fixed a bug without knowing it, it's timing related.

Such cases are so horrible. You can work on fulfilling the next timing test and the issue is back.
Same was for DK Vine. I had it working, then fixed some DMA timing and DK misses it again.

[mellow raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BCmKnN5eGA

Time to develop Quest 65 boys

[digital remnant]

But does it vine on M64?

[dim kiln]

or do you want some cheese to go with the whine?

[severe quail]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-whining-whine-arnold-schwarzenegger-stop-gif-5676616

[dim kiln]

It seems to me that they relied on some really obscure way to time things in DK64... I am not sure if its as bad as simply rely on the actual speed of the console rather than timers to keep track of elapsed time but it sure looks like it.
If this is the case then this must have hurt the developers tremendously since every change in the code resulted in deviating behavior of the game and cut scenes...

[mossy vector]

One Dev. And he was so proud he put his face in the game.

[weary palm]

And that's a good reason not to finish it?

[zinc dew]

Sorry, was meme’ing

[weary palm]

Ah

I'm tired

[chilly ember]

https://tenor.com/view/gamecube-modern-vintage-gamer-gcn-nintendo-gif-25000558

[zinc dew]

We all are brother, you got this tho

[weary palm]

An ex-boxer.

[zinc dew]

I posted this earlier but the meme:

Basically MVG, YouTube guy talked about the MiSTer core, wasn’t very positive on it overall but slammed it for not supporting libdragon when it had for over a year now.

[weary palm]

Yeah that's what i thought but your tone and confidence made me doubt myself. You're very formidable and your words weigh a thousand mammoths.

[magic girder]

https://youtu.be/OmKjVpVdHDQ

Still a broken mess 😭

[weary palm]

I think that's a bit exaggerated. Just a bit.

I love his videos though.

[magic girder]

He was very full of praise when the N64 core first came out

[blazing knot]

mistakes were made

[floral mulch]

Outside MiSTer he's correct from a UX perspective

[mossy vector]

Code JM
Jim

[weary palm]

Is that MVG?

[jovial ravine]

can anyone provide a link to a working n64 turbo core

or advise on how to set up correctly

[weary palm]

There is also a 100MHz one but I don't know if it's considered stable.

[jovial ravine]

thanks. do you have any experience with these

is the 80mhz core considered stable

[blazing knot]

as much as it can be. most things work fine but there's no guarantee everything always will

[modest helm]

I'd recommend the 80Mhz core in most cases. I've been exclusively using it for a couple of years. I definitely recommend it over the stock core. The only issues I've noticed is that Spider-Man's intro is slightly glitched, Gex 64's music can de-sync after collecting a collectible (but can simply be fixed by pausing and unpausing the game), and WCW Nitro freezes upon loading, but works in the stock core. Haven't tried the 94MHz core as the 80Mhz core suits my needs. The performance gains are so significant that it severely outweighs any drawbacks imo

[topaz otter]

left one looks like when AI tries to do text in the background

[zinc dew]

Yah I love his channel

[storm vessel]

Mistakes were made
Countless mistakes
So gol’dang many mistakes 🤦‍♂️

[hidden mountain]

im sure this has been asked a million times, but im sure the info is also spread out all over the place.

I keep seeing videos and comments about how N64 is hard to emulate due to the different micro codes and various other things, and i understand. but one thing that jumped out to me was i was just seeing a conversation in the CRT section about how the mister isnt capable of doing a proper N64 core because of ram limits etc, but everygame Ive been playing on the core seems legit, at least to my memory.

so the question is, how accurate is the n64 core on mister to a real one?

[weary perch]

it is pretty accurate. it's kind of a relative thing, though. it's not at the same level as say the Mega Drive or SNES cores, but for most people, it is pretty indistinguishable. compatibility is extremely similar to ares which is considered the best software emulator for N64 currently.

[latent dagger]

It's more a conversation about pure accuracy. The games that would normally have serious issues don't have them because of hacks, patches and workarounds. Like the TLB stuff. You still get occasional glitches in some games simply because of the RAM timings thing but to a layman on the surface the core is seemingly not any different from real hardware because it can pretty much just play the games.

[weary perch]

indeed. worth noting, the games that get auto-patched using the db on MiSTer are largely the same games that don't work in properly in ares either (...unless you use Ruleset's patches there, too, ehehe). for a person who wants to simply play N64 games, MiSTer is one of the best solutions. Clean HDMI and the turbo cores are fantastic enhancements

oh yeah MiSTer has really excellent controller support for the N64 core too. analog stick range clamping, easy analog/d-pad swap, 1-player-2-controller support, plus just being able to use any old USB/bluetooth pad, and the option to use original controllers with adapters or SNAC.

[hidden mountain]

ok, this is something ive been annoyed with for a while. I have a generic n64 usb controller i got off amazon. it works great, but the stick is either off, or on 100%. theres no real inbetween. so like if im playing mario 64, hes either standing still or running full speed. In order to get him to walk, i have to move the stick like a fraction of a degree, but if i go too far hes sprinting. so youre telling me theres a way to modify that in the core?

[weary perch]

not a way to change it at runtime, just that the framework automatically translates modern stick ranges to one more appropriate for N64

if the pad you're using itself has weird sensitivity idk that the clamping will do much for you

[latent dagger]

Assuming that the sensitivity on it is due to hardware and not just because you didn't calibrate things in your emulator correctly

[hidden mountain]

so you can calibrate the stick in mister?

[latent dagger]

No

[hidden mountain]

oh ok lol

[latent dagger]

I assumed You mentioning a USB controller and saying you had issues with sensitivity playing Mario was you using a software emulator on a computer

[weary perch]

you should try one of the padtest apps for N64 and see what the stick is doing

[hidden mountain]

oh no, im playing on the mister.

[weary perch]

https://github.com/wermipls/mimi

[hidden mountain]

ill look up padtest apps

[weary perch]

i think that's the one i've used

there are a few of them, though

[latent dagger]

I personally use a real N64 controller with a snac adapter

I avoid all these kinds of things

[hidden mountain]

i have a real controller with a wii mote adapter since i was going to try using my wii as the emulation station, but the n64 core on there sucked

[weary perch]

oh yeah, if you're going from Wii to MiSTer you're going to be very happy with the N64 core

[latent dagger]

An N64 4 port snac adapter will cost you about $25-$30 on eBay.

If you wanted to do that

[hidden mountain]

theres lots of things i want to do lol. I just got a free 36 in crt, so now im thinking i want the io board, but i also have dual ram which i guess doesnt make much difference anymore

[latent dagger]

Dual RAM I think it's only 100% required for like the Jaguar core 🤔

I don't think there's any other core that's a hard requirement. Dual RAM helps with some minor audio issues in select cores. Like the Sega Saturn core

[hidden mountain]

yeah and the 3do core required it for a minute

[latent dagger]

Otherwise it's not necessary no.

You can get analog out via direct video though

That's what a lot of people running dual RAM do

[hidden mountain]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/directvideo/

this thing?

[latent dagger]

You basically just use an HDMI to VGA adapter. Then from there you use another adapter like the active composite video adapter that uses MikeS design

https://ebay.us/m/ekghAR

This is the active composite adapter

Lots of people just use some generic brand HDMI to VGA adapter from Amazon.
I can't remember what ones though

[hidden mountain]

gotcha

[latent dagger]

Ultimately costs about as much to invest into as a pro analog board from porkchop but let's you keep using dual RAM.
The drawback is that you can't use HDMI out at the same time for HDMI capture or on a secondary LCD screen for whatever reasons

[hidden mountain]

i actually have an hdmi splitter that i was using for capture on my pc while having it show up on a different monitor

[latent dagger]

That won't work

Because with direct video your HDMI output is now a native low resolution signal like 240p and 480i. And I don't know of a single modern HDMI capture device or LCD screen that will accept a 240p or 480i signal from HDMI

You could however split it at the composite part to an upscaler that then scales and outputs to HDMI itself then plug that into modern things

But that's extra hardware and money

[hidden mountain]

well, i was using it to do it. I have the hdmi splitter plugged into the mister, then one hdmi out to a monitor and the other to a usb capture device and then i used OBS to capture with it. it worked fine, but had a little delay i assume due to the usb

[latent dagger]

Yeah but your mister wasn't outputting 240p

It was probably outputting 1080p

[hidden mountain]

oh, yeah, i wasnt worried about all that

[latent dagger]

I'm saying that if you use direct video you won't be able to do that anymore

[hidden mountain]

oh i see

[hidden mountain]

i just tried that padtest rom. the stick maxes out at about halfway, so a full stick direction is 45 degrees, the sensitivity is maxed at 23ish degrees

[desert crow]

there's inputtester core too that would show you the analog, and you could compare against the n64 core

[hidden mountain]

input tester shows the same thing

[weary palm]

Then there's no fix, sadly. Not something the core or framework could do, anyway.

Unless there's a firmware update for that particular controller, but I doubt there is.

[wanton sun]

did anyone use the new testcore? If it's fine I might build a new release of it.

[remote hatch]

I didn't notice any problems

[weary perch]

seems to work well so far. i will try it a bit more in a moment.

almost certainly unrelated to the above: i did notice an interesting thing while developing a hardware revision test ROM.

the MiSTer N64 core correctly demonstrates two CPU hardware bugs documented on N64brew.dev wiki, but there is one additional bug that is basically linked to one of the others (mult/div)
https://n64brew.dev/wiki/VR4300#Sign_extension_bugs
MiSTer correctly FAILs the div test but somehow PASSes the mult test. doesn't seem too important but it seems ares fails both mult/div (and all consoles including iQue tested so far also fail all three sra/mult/div).
edit: it could be that the div test just fails on everything regardless of output, too. no hardware actually passes it so the reference "correct" output is hypothetical...
edit 2: oh it seems ares and MiSTer both give the same result for the div test which is different from hardware. but ares fails the mul test with the same value as hardware. curious...

everything else matches an NUS-CPU-03/04 retail console outside of the RDRAM manufacturer field which is not relevant here either

will share source if you are interested

if anyone feels like running that from a flashcart and take a photo/capture/debug log, i would also appreciate that as I don't have a PAL, MPAL, or early revision NTSC console to test on

even better if you know your motherboard revision 🙂

[mossy vector]

It passes my usual round of fzero x, pilot wings, vigilante 8, and blast corps. Nothing odd noticed.

[weary perch]

more on-topic, i updated the testing sheet to reflect the new core https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?usp=sharing
will try to retest some of the problem children

[mossy vector]

Mechanically the potentiometers in that controller are likely reaching the maximum way early. Because if there was additional range, the auto scaling would fix it, as that's exactly what it was designed to do. For example, controllers going up to 250 or so, would be rescaled to +/-85, giving the feel of full stick range.

[hidden mountain]

Is there a way to modify it mechanically in the controller or is that all in the software/firmware on the boards?

[weak hill]

so apparently the m64 has been confirmed to be open source, thats another thing im excited for, maybe the most important existing cores can be ported to the m64, really cool!

[plush summit]

sure, but the open source aspect means that a whole new framework has to be created to get something on par with MiSTer

[polar raft]

Considering the value proposition with the included 4k scaler,
it's really tempting to take a chance on that happening

[wanton sun]

The description of this reads rather simple to implement.
However, if this has no impact on any game, i will probably postpone it due to too much work on other things right now, sorry.
You might bring it up again in 6 months or so.

[weary perch]

correct, i think it has no impact on any retail game and is currently just trivia

[plush summit]

as much as I don't mind the freaky MiSTer stack, the M64 is going to look like a weird tumor of dongles hanging out of it to make it an open source alternative

[weak hill]

imagine the most iconic cores ported to 4k resolution, it´d be cool.

[wanton sun]

Most iconic? ok, i will port over Lynx.

[iron wren]

nah, you should port the n64 core over. it's practically begging for it with the name and all.

[weary palm]

Great idea. Stripped-down TLB implementation and all.

[latent dagger]

Imagine playing PS1 games on an M64 with an Xbox controller over BT