Nintendo 64

[tepid shuttle]

very hopeful to see that eventually. i know the core is already pretty full, but there's not much going on in the 64DD, so maybe someone could come along and add it at some point

[worn delta]

Summercart also has RTC for Animal Forest

[magic girder]

RTC for animal forest would be a bigger win if the English patch didn’t crash

[tepid shuttle]

the english patch for that game has remained unfinished for a long time

surprised no one's come to button it up yet

[worn delta]

It was speculated that people were waiting for it to be decompiled before it would be fixed properly

Although that effort seems to have flat lined

https://zeldaret.github.io/af/

[zinc dew]

I’m sure it’ll come to NSO at some point

[chilly ember]

It'll be the gamecube version though

[zinc dew]

yah

[upper pivot]

I wonder if the analogue 3D will secretly auto patch a bunch of games to achieve “100% compatibility” lol

[wanton sun]

we would not be able to prove that. You never know for closed source emulation.

[wanton sun]

we could auto disable TLB for that game in the database, because it only crashes due to accessing the TLB area, but expecting to get a non-TLB response

Well currently, the database cannot disable TLB yet

[upper pivot]

I think we could by modifying parts of a game around to change the MD5 or similar but not any real function and seeing if it stops working

[wanton sun]

Detection could also be hidden, e.g. by looking at game code instead of checksum, which also makes more sense when running from cart, as md5 would be difficult

or by detecting certain actions, e.g. writes to IO registers in special order

[upper pivot]

I’m assuming they will very soon release an unofficial “hack” that enables playing games from the SD card

[wanton sun]

E.g. the core has a secret "patch" for some games that relies on the cic type.

(the core skips the RDRAM init sequence, but some games depend to boot long or they lock up, so we fake a long boot time)

pretty easy to hide these kind of things if you want to

[magic girder]

Oh, nice idea!

[onyx minnow]

it will be interesting to see how the analogue 3d does with system test roms loaded onto one of the flash carts

[worn delta]

That will be interesting, although I would be surprised if it didn't pass all of the important ones. MiSTer core fails a few but they are random things not related to gameplay if I recall

[lament escarp]

Can somebody remake the mister n64 sticker but with analouge? I want to post it everytime someone mentions it.

[little socket]

Savage

[wanton sun]

mister core only fails the tlb64 system tests because that is not implemented due to FPGA timing issues otherwise. (can't reach 93.75mhz for the CPU on the DE10-Nano anymore, let alone 120MHz on the turbo core).
It's not hard to fulfill these, basically just a mapping table. But those are only used for homebrew linux, so nothing is really lost

there are other tests outside the system tests that are not fulfilled by any emulator(or the core) yet because they are not understood

[worn delta]

I still have the test ROMs on my SD

Although can't see the option to turn off the error codes...

[little socket]

Hidden in a submenu?

Or a hidden submenu?

[worn delta]

I had a quick look and couldn't see it, been so long since I have needed to turn it off/on

[cerulean elk]

which one of you perverts kept asking me for Vivid Dolls back in the testing era?

you are welcome!

also kicking the hornets nest next week lol

[worn delta]

OFCOM has sent a letter to Sorg informing him there will be monthly fines to be paid to the UK Government if MiSTer doesn't comply with the new Online Safety Act and implement age verification for UK users accessing Vivid Dolls on the platform.

Now if you excuse me, I'm off for my afternoon walk in the woods to see if I find anything interesting in discarded polythene bags.

[cerulean elk]

you got a license for that permit for that ID?

[worn delta]

I do indeed officer. Now do you have a licence to ask me for a license for that permit for that ID?

[cerulean elk]

I heard a dude got arrested for saying something about Bacon in the UK. Remind me not to visit

[worn delta]

Hah, yeah. He was ranting about Bacon outside a mosque I think.

[cerulean elk]

lol well I don't plan on doing THAT

[worn delta]

Yeah, not advisable.

[cerulean elk]

does sound like you can't take a piss there lately though without the risk of arrest. Vs here where I can take pisses everywhere...whatever that even means 🤣

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[cerulean elk]

damn it I summoned pissfingers

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[blazing knot]

Twice!

[wanton sun]

yes, that is the full one. It fails on the tlb64 tests. Here is a version with the tlb64 tests disabled. This also includes the newer tests.

[mossy vector]

In other words delete the one with the pointless test for a mode that exists but should not be used.

[wanton sun]

The other test is totally valid. I just use this as regression test so I don't have to remember how many failed are acceptable 🙂

I we get a sucessor board, I would include the 64bit addressing mode. Mostly to fulfill these tests, haha

[slow silo]

Would you be able to look into why that romhack that was mentioned earlier as having been designed to run on real hardware isn't working in the core? Or is that out of scope of what you want to do?

[quick arch]

it is already a great achievement with the constrains and limitation of the board.
At first you think only MK64 will possible to work !

[upper pivot]

Just don’t do it near a school…

[wanton sun]

I'm not really interested. The issue is than several devs don't really care about compatibility.
E.g. there is a popular dev whos romhacks regulary don't work on hardware, but if one works by chance, people come here and claim that it must work on the core now as well.
I don't agree. Especially considering that mister is not able to replicate the memory timing exactly for this core.
On the other hand, if you look at people designed high quality mods like Kurko does, they typically work just fine on the core.

[tepid shuttle]

i think people are expecting anything that works on console to work on the core, without taking into account the sacrifices that had to be made for the hardware to fit on the fpga

[broken creek]

I remember when Neo Geo was thought to be the potential limit of MiSTer/De10. We never would have imagined seeing N64 on this platform. It was flatout said to be impossible. Even in its current state with timings not being exact it's still the best N64 I have. Especially the Turbo core , which is the N64 I wish I had as a kid.

[slow silo]

That fair. Do want to point out that this dev speifically says it does work on real hardware, but still I understand if you have no interest in seeing why a romhack does not work on the core.

[slow silo]

Same, I remember when I first found out about Mister, I was asking around here and everyone basically said that anything Gen 5 would be impossible and would never happen

[tender pine]

Gotta be the absolute best way to experience N64 to date. The fact we are talking hdmi and analogue with options to tweak galore I'd suggest it's better even than the most complete modded OEM N64.

[tepid shuttle]

i still prefer my real n64 with a summercart for accuracy sake and 64DD support, but i do often load up the turbo core for the games that really benefit from that extra performance boost

[tender pine]

Can I ask, regarding 64DD support, what's the important difference between native and the games which have been converted to run on a 'regular' non-Summercart Everdrive??

Needed and/or wanting native 64dd support feels very, very niche and arguably unwarranted.

[iron dove]

saving

[tepid shuttle]

the cartridge conversions don't save properly on the mister core. i agree that it's a niche thing, but i disagree that it's unwarranted. much more trivial things have been added to other cores

there's also not much going on under the hood with the DD, so i doubt implementing it is as complex as one would think, assuming there's space left on the fpga

[slow silo]

Agreed, we have RTC support for the one game that used it, a Japanese-exclusive of a game that was ported to Gamecube

And yeah, I think the DD just added some fonts?

Nintendo seemed to just go with the "drive in place of a cartridge" approach to most of their addons, SEGA was the one who made the add-ons practically an entire console in and of itself

[broken creek]

Does anyone know, is there a super optimized ROM hack of Goldeneye like there is with Perfect Dark?

That PD hack plus the turbo core makes for like a 60fps experience. Would love to see that in GE too.

[bright lotus]

That gcc recomp was only possible with decompilation being done

Last I checked Goldeneye wasn't done yet

You do get romhacks to get higher resolutions with expansion pak but they sink the framerate further

[broken creek]

Good to know. I thought GE decomp was long done. Do they have a git or twitter page?

Think I found it unless there are concurrent projects https://github.com/n64decomp/007

[chilly ember]

Kholdfuzion has been in here before

[amber fjord]

im here

i personally dont have much time to work on it anymore, and the private branch is further along than the public one

there are a few others besides me that do work on it occasionally

[tender pine]

While waiting for the N64 Goldeneye decomp you could do a lot worse - if you've not already - playing the unreleased XBLA Goldeneye remaster via Xenia emulator. It really, really is a crying shame this isn't more wildly and officially accessible.

[swift drift]

Thank you all for the updated turbo cores, much appreciated!

[amber fjord]

even without being 100%, there IS an optimized GE being worked on. I even made a TLBremoval patch for the recomp port efforts

the performance patch is focused on MP

[fossil umbra]

whereabouts can one find patch / dl info for said optimizations?

or is that still WIP

[amber fjord]

its still wip

turbo core does get consistent 30+fps in early testing

normal and real hold 25-30

turbo is closer to 45 consistent

[broken creek]

That’s amazing. 👏

[mellow raft]

A dev saying their game works on real hardware is like a manager of their restaurant saying their service is going to give you a great experience.

Never trust a developer at their own word for their work. They're going to want to have faith in it, and sadly it sometimes blinds them.

I am not saying it makes them bad. But I mean that everyone has their own beliefs of "works on original hardware". A lot of romhack developers don't bother to actually verify their functions operate as the hardware expects, and they bug test on emulators. Then they just shove it on an everdrive when they're done, checks if it boots, then proclaim "it works on real hardware!"

Yes, I'm over exaggerating and there are exceptions, but my point is that there are a lot of developers for romhacks that don't actually take the time to fully study the hardware and "hack" their code together. Just because it boots once or boots on their N64 just fine doesn't mean that they might have used a function that is starving memory bandwidth in a way that relies on silicon lottery to succeed.

I'd just be careful of using the argument "it says on the page it works on original hardware", because sadly a lot of the times it's not actually true.

[slow silo]

I know, as mentioned before though, it's by Kaze. He's more likely to have tested it on original hardware instead of just simply claim it so, and his latest romhack that was also said to work on real hardware ran fine on MiSTer.

[mellow raft]

Missed that part. Thank you. Apologies for overlooking it.

I will say his hacks also push the N64's hardware to its limits. So yeah others here are right that the N64 core sadly has some memory limitations which I know kaze's hacks heavily rely on.

So if one of his doesn't work on the MiSTer I wouldn't be surprised.

He really overworked super Mario 64's use of the N64's memory.

Sadly the memory in the de10 nano's fpga wasn't expected to be a limiting factor. But Robert found that out once he hit that wall.

But the core runs so much so well at least.

[mellow raft]

Which ones work that you've tried? I'm curious actually.

[slow silo]

Return to Yoshi Island Demo 2

I had one crash, but it's not clear if that was the mister or the game being an unfinished demo. There is a secret you can unlock at the end that is designed to push even his engine to it's limits and possibly crash even on real hardware or emulators but it also ran without crashing for me

The romhack we were talking about by the way that works on real hardware but not the mister is Peach's Fury

Just loads a black screen with noises, I can make it run by toggling some settings, but in a very very buggy state

So far only other romhack I have tried that did not work is Mario in the Multiverse, but that is not a surprise since the dev stated it does not run on real harware and even most emulators

Shame since it's a very impressive and fun hack

[magic girder]

https://youtube.com/shorts/HPOUzQx_Ujo

[drowsy lantern]

lol. I worked in QA for over 10 years and I when I trained new hires, I taught them one very important rule: Never, ever trust what a dev tells you. Test regardless. Even if they tell you they only changed one line of code that shouldn’t break anything else, don’t trust them. Even if it runs on their machine, don’t trust them. Etc. 😅

[mellow raft]

Just curious do you mean the normal core or turbo core? Or both?

[mellow raft]

Lol thanks 🤣

I will say it's cool to know something more recent works. I might check it out

[slow silo]

Both. Slightly different settings to change based on original or turbo core but it's horribly broken on both

[mellow raft]

Thanks

[split oasis]

Hey so I just set up my Mister Pi today with the Update All script and added the PIF Rom to the games folder renamed to boot.rom like I am supposed to but when I boot a rom it pops the info up on the top left but just stays on a black screen

[iron dove]

howdy
if you enable the 'bios DB' option in the update_all setttings, it'll get the correct bios and database files

[split oasis]

Cool I will try that

[iron dove]

delete the current /games/N64/boot.rom and let update_all get it

it'll get boot.rom and boot1.rom (NTSC/PAL) and N64-database.txt, should get it going

enabling the 'alt cores' option in the update_all settings will get the 'turbo' N64 core (N64_80mhz) too.
it puts it in the 'other' menu

[split oasis]

Thank you so much that got it working!

[iron dove]

no probs

[split oasis]

Now I just got to get the video settings in a place that I am happy with for my TV

[iron dove]

the search for the perfect video filter contines 🙂

theres a bunch of core options in 'video & audio' to disable/enable various (blur) filters n things that the N64 had

[graceful radish]

When you see that frame counter https://x.com/palmerluckey/status/1960135473285722119?s=46

Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey)

One common question I get regarding the (not yet released) ModRetro M64 is "Why not just use an original N64?"

Very reasonable to ask! Setting aside the expense of original N64 hardware in good condition, they aren't compatible with most modern TVs. If your TV does have

X · Aug 26, 2025, 12:21 AM

[chilly ember]

Mister core confirmed

[green epoch]

isn't that also the track that mario kart runs fast on?

like, just in case you needed a second hint :p

[chilly ember]

M64 is the mister turbo core confirmed

[green epoch]

now that would be funny

[graceful radish]

Seems like a port of the MiSTer core to AMD hardware

Remove the FPGA speed limitation of the Cyclone V

[teal citrus]

AMD hardware...

So Xilinx?

[green epoch]

we don't know for sure. the announcement tweet had an AMD hashtag so...probably Xilinx

I hope they have to build 50 cores at a time to find one that doesn't have scaler issues

punishment for their sins

[teal citrus]

It will be interesting indeed to see how well Mister runs on a Xilinx board.

[green epoch]

more interesting to see if they have to patch conker

[teal citrus]

Or any of the other problematic games.

That being said though, I know this is a product being sold by a problematic person, and I don't plan on buying one, I have to admit that the M64 requires some serious observation, considering that this is going to be some hella different hardware than what the Mister FPGA is usually accustomed to.

[tepid shuttle]

don't really care who's selling it, just care if the product is good. i look forward to see how it performs compared to the mister core

[green epoch]

I have said it once and I will say it again: if your goal is to avoid purchasing stuff from assholes, you're better off walking into the sea.

[quick arch]

There is a big fan so horse power 😅

[chilly ember]

Needs flame decals

[blissful wolf]

Its not that hard

[green epoch]

to walk into the sea? nah, eventually the current just takes you

[wanton sun]

Just a few words for now, have to go to work:
Yes I am working together with Modretro on the M64.
I know the engineers for a while, and I enjoy working with them.
They offered me to develop the M64 together with them and we designed a powerful hardware that can solve all the shortcomings the core has on the DE10-Nano.
Like much faster and larger FPGA as well as fast and low latency memories.
You all know that the n64 is my favorite console and it's so much fun for me to work on it without all the workarounds and shortcomings.
Also I have promise that it will stay open source and I will backport bugfixes to Mister (if possible)

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/tmdq.gif

[wanton sun]

And yes, AMD(former Xilinx) hardware is correct. I worked with Xilinx chips in the past and the performance is outstanding.
First build of the core on it was already with timing closure and I haven't seen any build with failed timing yet. Some of you here know what that means for development 😉

[mellow raft]

Feel bad for the person who accidentally left the frame counter up.... Robert had to do damage control.

Well thanks for sharing. Best to stop rumors before they become wildfires I guess.

[green epoch]

one build timing closures? you lucky dog

[mellow raft]

Maybe I shouldn't assume anything either...

I'm no better I guess lol

Thanks to your team for clearing that up. Somebody was watching

[magic girder]

Looks like we all need to buy an M64 now 😂

[mellow raft]

I'm both excited and angry... At my wallet

[magic girder]

It’s really cool that you’ll have the opportunity to finish things off though 😎

[wanton sun]

Well, it's a bit earlier than expected, but as soon as the code would have been up I would have to reveal anyway, everything else would be unfair to everyone

[chilly ember]

It isn't going to be worth buying if it doesn't feature no face mode as option in super mario 64

[hushed nova]

my suspicions about how your nice summer was keeping you occupied appear to have been partially true!

[chilly ember]

I look forward to the gamecube core

[sullen harbor]

Hmm, what I'm taking from this is maybe there actually needs to be a significant upgrade for the next mister or a custom board. or a move to xilinx.

because of the stated benefits. I remember someone saying the DE25 nano wouldnt be significantly different from the de10

Not for any stupid reason (other than dreamcast, because yes dreamcast is my favorite console) But to give currently existing cores, like Jaguar, N64, Saturn room to breathe

[hushed nova]

it'll have faster fabric, it'll have a bit more room, it'll have a bit more bram. likely it will still be stuck with 1080p

the memory situation is still unknown, but if the other de25 offerings are any indication it'll have 64Mb of built in sdram, and shared ddr4

i/o unknown

[sullen harbor]

That's fine. What I want is stability and accuracy (of experience)

If I wanted 4k I can get a retrotink

[hushed nova]

if they keep the same gpio count (and don't rob us of one connector due to the onboard sdram) then you could basically have a dual sdram + analog out of the box

[sullen harbor]

makes sense

if the de25 can achieve that then cool.
If I could have any wishlist though it'd be proper sata support and faster ethernet

Stupid musing time: I really do think FPGA hardware emulation will become necessary in the future for proper preservation if recompilaton never takes off. That is my honest belief. Some of the architecture of these consoles were just fucking stupid. Fucking cell processors were stupid as shit.
Hopefully 30 years down the line we might be able to pull something off like that

[blazing anvil]

What is actually the use case for a new n64 (only?) fpga 'clone'. I thought the core limitations on MiSTer were worked around and it now runs every game accurately. Or doesn't it?

It it primarily to get more FPS because the turbo core is less accurate (whatever that means)

[hushed nova]

it still has inaccuracies in timing on mister. and some games are being patched automatically

[languid dune]

The Madden games still have exploding players.

[blazing anvil]

Ah right thnx. the n64 only is a business decision. Suppose it could run all cores after what probably is a big porting job

[hushed nova]

running one core and designing hardware around it (including cases etc) is a much different thing than designing a multi-core running device

there's a lot more work for multi-core, and that's ignoring actual core porting

[hidden bolt]

Cool to see Robert is working on the M64! At $199 this would make a pretty good value mister successor if it has the appropriate hardware/IO. The Chromatic is open source for both the FPGA and microcontroller firmware so hopefully the M64 as well. But yeah big porting effort of course.

[neat sierra]

Do you think they’ll allow other cores on the hardware or will this be N64 only?

[hidden bolt]

If it is like the Chromatic you can just flash whatever firmware you want.

[civic wind]

It looks cool, really does.But not sure why he has to be dishonest about hdmi mods to market it. They don’t cost hundreds of dollars or cause screen tearing/add a frame of lag. This discord seems to really not be happy with Analogue because of their shady marketing, but modretro gets a pass because Robert worked with them?

Sorry, “severe screen tearing”

[raw oriole]

No, they don't - modretro is definitely ecch as well.

It's interesting to see what he's doing though...

[civic wind]

Well maybe since @wanton sun worked with them he can have it corrected

Honestly that tweet is just as bad as Chris Taber/Analogue shit.

[civic wind]

If you have something truly good, you don’t need to lie or mislead people to sell it.

[raw oriole]

Yep. It's so unnecessary, which makes it worse

Marketing by shitting on other things is pathetic

[civic wind]

Which is funny too because if it’s 1080p it will have a frame of lag or tearing on displays

[little socket]

Did he at least use words like crooked?

[cerulean elk]

We knew you couldn’t stay away from N64 😁

[mortal panther]

I much as I am now interested in the M64 simply because of Robert's involvement and would now consider getting one based solely on that fact, I have to say that I am already extremely happy with what the MiSTer N64 core provides over any other method of playing those games up to now. It's far beyond anything I thought could have been possible. Technical shortcomings with the DE10-nano platform do not equal practical every day use shortcomings for me. It plays every game I've ever been interested in just fine.

[quick arch]

The work done on M64 core could be used on next platform fpga. It is great to see it continues to improve.

[cerulean elk]

Well it’ll make a fun vid at 4 today

[neat sierra]

Yeah I wouldn’t care in the slightest if it weren’t for Robert’s involvement. Doubt I’ll get one either way since I’m not an N64 fan and the odds of it allowing other cores or not having weird N64 specific hardware sacrifices are low but I’m following it now

[worn delta]

Is there going to be anything done for the M64 that can be back ported to the MiSTer core?

I know that one is pretty full as it is

[cerulean elk]

Three mile island Pikachu will be coming back

well I am stoked at the news. Another round of N64 core fun

[cerulean elk]

actually confirmed: FPGA will be powerful enough for FOUR MILE ISLAND PIKACHU

extra logic = extra eyes

[plush summit]

Wow, what a way to wake up

[green epoch]

Honestly, this makes me really excited for the M64. Yeah, Palmer Luckey bad....but, as it turns out, Robert good, and supporting that team will have a bigger effect on them than it will on Palmer.

But boy howdy, this is gonna be a red buttom meme for the ages for some folks

[civic wind]

Maybe hold off on support until they don’t lie in their marketing?

[cerulean elk]

I can tell the comment section will be fun for this video later 🤣

I am getting yelled at daily...lets roll it into another day!

[civic wind]

I’m looking forward to m64, don’t get me wrong

[green epoch]

Was it a lie, or is palmer luckey just an idiot who doesn't know what a gallon of milk costs?

[civic wind]

But that tweet was super shitty

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun Will the ModRetro support 64DD natively?

[civic wind]

I wouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt either way. With one of the local devs here involved with it, should be easy for it to be corrected

And also, none of this grace is given to analogue

[cerulean elk]

well you need to give us time to poke at it

I will mention in the vid the frame lag isn't really an accurate statement

[civic wind]

Thank you

[neat sierra]

Hehe Roberts ping queue today

[zinc dew]

@civic wind I like your perspective, we need to have equal criticism for everyone

[green epoch]

None of this grace was given to modretro either, until we found out robert was involved.

[civic wind]

Neither is the screen tearing, or costing hundreds of dollars. It’s $130, and we even sponsor an installer in Germany who will install it for free.

[cerulean elk]

oh itll happen. My comment section will be a mess by 4:02pm CST

[zinc dew]

I assume he just tweets what he wants with zero oversight.

He doesn’t know the details either.

[cerulean elk]

like how you tweet "propane is better than charcoal" and never ask anyone

[civic wind]

I mean was Kevtris that bad until he got with analogue? The hate towards him is sort of crazy sometimes

[cerulean elk]

Yes he was that bad haha

[civic wind]

Either way that’s sort of irrelevant

[cerulean elk]

Analogue has been blowing smoke up people's ass and calling it "a feature" since day 1

[civic wind]

The issue is modretro’s tweet

[zinc dew]

also no politics in this chat, keep it to - #spicy-off-topic

[civic wind]

Which is also blowing smoke up peoples ass

[green epoch]

that predates me so I dunno. My exposure to that stuff was limited to me buying an nt mini in 2017 or whatever, and downloading the jailbreak from smokemonster

[civic wind]

You get a perfect output from n64 RetroGEM

[zinc dew]

No one is bringing it up but I will continue to remind people just as a precaution

[cerulean elk]

Its a half truth, half untruth. The entire "hooking up a retro console to your modern tv with period accurate inputs" portion is correct; looks like ass and most tv's processing and scaling shit it up even further

[civic wind]

Which will be same for the m64?

[neat sierra]

I think kevtris had an arrogance rep but Taber is who people really revile

Sleazy sales guy act is hard to like

[civic wind]

Yeah cry me a river about hating on kevtris, half of us say equally annoying shit

[neat sierra]

No I’m perfect

[green epoch]

I don't even know the last thing kevtris has said in public

[neat sierra]

Ask Robby

[green epoch]

oh wait, he shot down the super sega thing on the atari age forums

[cerulean elk]

I am better than perfect

I am...PROPANE

[zinc dew]

I still have no idea who Kevtris is other than analogue fpga guy

[civic wind]

He’s the boogie man

[zinc dew]

🤷‍♂️

[cerulean elk]

I am really book ending my vid schedule today; in 8 minutes lots of corgis! at 4PM going to get yelled at. The swing is real

[neat sierra]

Infinity perfect + 1

[civic wind]

Well, it’s been made clear and brought to Robert’s attention that the tweet of the person he’s working with was dishonest so there should be no more excuse of ignorance. Would be nice if that tweet could be edited, or clarified with a follow up.

Sorry if I’m pissed off, but who else makes hdmi mods for n64. If a billionaire is going to shit on my work, the least he could do is tag us in it.

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[cerulean elk]

you made pissfingers mad

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
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[civic wind]

Especially as someone who comes here and freely shares my expertise with pretty much anyone and everyone who asks.

[cerulean elk]

well I will correct that part in my VO for you for what its worth

[civic wind]

It is worth something ❤️

[cerulean elk]

plus honestly I don't feel like your audience and the ModRetro audience have much overlap on the venn diagram that is customers

[civic wind]

If even one person sees that and assumes what we make is garbage because of it, damage done

Like I said, at least tag us and give us exposure :p

There’s also the concept of punching down which is always distasteful

[blazing knot]

Every time you put out a vid that might be controversial just accompany it with corgis and things will naturally balance out

[cerulean elk]

haha its been all hate the last 8 days

[civic wind]

If anything it would have been more appropriate in that tweet to shit on the mister core tbh. Not because it’s bad, because at least in comparison to that there will be real upgrades due to better hardware.

[zinc dew]

MiSTer isn’t really well known outside of a very specific niche core audience within retro gaming. An HDMI mod isn’t a specific product/project but a concept that doesn’t require any explanation.

Much easier to use that as an unfair comparison (or false in this case) to sell your product.

[civic wind]

I think the reasoning is simpler, don’t bite the hand that feeds

[blazing knot]

It’s easy to forget we’re really a niche within a niche

[civic wind]

They would absolutely shit on mister if they weren’t reliant on one of its developer, regardless of niche

[iron wren]

Kudos to you! I’m glad they sourced an fpga developer who’s not only good at what they do, but also super passionate about the n64.

[neat sierra]

Yeah skimming the responses on the Twitter post, I bet most of them don’t know mister exists (not RndMnkIII obviously).

[cerulean elk]

ill remind them haha

preview of what the comment section on my vid will look like later

ill be a fascist. Robert will be a fascist. Rocks will be fascist because they got turned into silicon

[civic wind]

Hey man the whole you can’t avoid buying products from bad people is one thing

You can absolutely avoid working for them

A one time shitty tweet is whatever. I just hope going forward a change is made to avoid that.

[cerulean elk]

Yes. I just don't like this current trend of "you can't talk about that"...ill talk about whatever the hell I damn well please haha. I leave the comments open and just tell people they can feel how they feel...just dont devolve into fights

[woeful grove]

he actually is a pretty terrible right wing guy, that's not super wrong

[green epoch]

an incredible piece of shit

[cerulean elk]

no not at all. But the idea that "talking about news" equates to "you approve of him" is too far of a departure to make

[civic wind]

I would also feel crappy to have been a patron helping fund these cores, then to have the work profited on by someone like modretro

[cerulean elk]

nobody yells at CNN when they report on shitty people. Or maybe they do? haha

[woeful grove]

I mean, promoting bad people is sort of like endorsing them isnt it?

[cerulean elk]

there is a large delta between "telling people information" and "promoting"

[woeful grove]

I think it's actually a very fine line

that you have to navigate with great care

[cerulean elk]

I dont tell people to buy it or not buy it. I give them pertinent information and tell them "you can make your choice"

[woeful grove]

i've seen plenty of "news" that is clearly a paid ad

[cerulean elk]

and I let people argue in comments. I give them a platform to debate it. Usually thats a mistake but hey...mistakes are fun

[cerulean elk]

I wish my "MiSTer shill" checks would finally arrive btw. Who mails those?

[civic wind]

Brb sending you pfx shill checks for that video you made

[cerulean elk]

haha I also was accused of being paid by you @civic wind

[woeful grove]

are we talking about you or time extension?

because they are clearly getting paid

[civic wind]

Affiliate links are the new shill checks

[cerulean elk]

nobody pays me. I wish (only in certain circumstances) because I get accused of it...may as well get paid WHILE being accused

[woeful grove]

...great?

[civic wind]

It’s why I’ve sort of lost interest in YouTube tech reviews (except AWbacon who praises me), because it’s all a scam of creators promoting products of their friends

Or otherwise getting compensated and biasing their opinion

[cerulean elk]

I am joking around. I hope thats clear

just referencing the fact I get accused of being paid by everyone yet I never see the payments lol

however I do get offered sometimes to review weird shit for money and that's always a firm no

[cerulean elk]

you make a good product. and I had to take a lot of shit for saying that

[civic wind]

Remember we kill peoples pets and clog their toilets

[cerulean elk]

I can clog my own toilet thank you very much!

[zinc dew]

I heard that, is it true?

[civic wind]

The clogging is all me, I should leave pfx out of it

[cerulean elk]

you didnt tell me NOT to flush the scaler

[zinc dew]

what if I don’t have any pets, does it kill me instead?

[cerulean elk]

thats on YOU

[civic wind]

No because you make sure to tell everyone you got it for free! Shilling failed

[cerulean elk]

saying the color accuracy on Invasion: The Abductors on Morph vs Tink just did not sit well with people but damn it...I am the arcade guy and I know what the game is supposed to look like and one was closer than the other

[blissful wolf]

dont want to doxx myself but I was in shared circles with palmer way back in the pre facebook oculus days and him being dishonest about tech to serve his interest is just par the course

but if robert is making the core than at least the software will be nonvapour

[zinc dew]

I mean it already exists!

[blissful wolf]

Don't take it too seriously when he blantantly gets basic facts wrong about competiting technical stacks, or like pre existing approaches that are proven in production, or the detailed written documentation of the holocaust, he just kinda disregards most of it to fit his view lol

[cyan dome]

who wants roberts n64 core when we can have robbys gamecom core

[blissful wolf]

but I guess I'll begrudgedly keep an eye on the m64 as a upgrade path for n64 stuff if I become dissatisfied with the mister

[zinc dew]

political stuff, remember. Keep that to #spicy-off-topic .

Not censoring anything or telling anyone they can’t bring it up. We just want to avoid heated arguments that’s all.

[green epoch]

Palmer Luckey is an incredible piece of shit

https://tenor.com/Ni4d.gif

[zinc dew]

That’s not political, that checks out

wait, I think it’s not a political thing to say

I don’t know anymore

[tender pine]

People talking Palmer Lucky being all this and that kind of evil...ok. What, you think using Amazon, Google, Apple and the like are Just Stop Oil? No. These are some of the most villainous ppl on the entire planet.

[green epoch]

Please see my "walk into the sea" argument

[tender pine]

Let's talk M64 and keep the politics as @zinc dew suggests to off topic...

[green epoch]

i don't think there was any political talk here

[cerulean elk]

just corrected that latency thing in my VO @civic wind

[cyan dome]

the nintnedo 64 is inherintly political

[tender pine]

Personally I wasn't too interested previously but knowing @wanton sun is onboard in an official capacity and it's going to release as open source has my head turned...

[tender pine]

Fair comment.

[zinc dew]

open source is great

[tender pine]

Open source >>>>> closed.

[zinc dew]

I mean, I just view it from the dumb caveman perspective of “sharing it caring”

[tender pine]

Not that I'm still almost not keeping a keen interest on what Analogue brings to the table...fashionably late.

[zinc dew]

which is a good perspective, I meant to say I don’t think any more deeply than that, so I am the dumb caveman

[tender pine]

From my perspective, the more people talking and doing N64 can only be a positive...

[zinc dew]

I think Analogue makes compelling products with great aesthetic design. But they’ve only shown off renders of their N64 clone hardware and nothing else.

[cyan dome]

i have recently liquidated my nintendo 64 so my game collection is less political now

[zinc dew]

Meanwhile we are already playing what will ship with the ModRetro product.

[iron wren]

Can I drink it?

[cyan dome]

yes have a sip

[tender pine]

Yeah I get Analogue rarely preview their product and often don't deliver on many of their bullet points but still, I would be lying if I said I wasn't monitoring that situation closely, being N64 n'all.

IF - and it's still a big if - but if the 4K thing plays out...😍

[zinc dew]

I think having your games look sharper is nice but it’s not a selling point for me personally.

But it’s a good unique selling point.

[tender pine]

1080p is great and all but 4K is mathematically better. That's science.

I don't get how 4K wouldn't be a selling point. This is literally why the Retrotink and Pixel Morph exist.

Chuck that CRT in the garbage...

[zinc dew]

Because the games still play the same

[civic wind]

Is modretro 4k? Because if not it will have the lag that the tweet was complaining about

[zinc dew]

lolol

[civic wind]

And I have TVs that have screen tearing when not fed with 4K

[zinc dew]

I didn’t think of that, that’s pretty funny

[cyan dome]

i demand mathmatical perfection from my 30 year old video games

[fallen sparrow]

Why not just quote tweet him and point out what you have mentioned here?
You can be civil about it.

[civic wind]

I don’t use twitter

And I tagged the developer here

[zinc dew]

Games were made for the fidelity they had available. For some people increasing that fidelity is a huge improvement and I love and respect that.

[civic wind]

Or as a member of the retro media, feel free to do so too now that you’re aware

[zinc dew]

to support @tender pine’s point. Increasing fidelity for a polygonal game has a much bigger impact since its visuals are independent of resolution.

You can’t exactly add more resolution to a sprite for example.

But you can for a polygonal model.

[cerulean elk]

you wouldnt download a sprite...would you!

[zinc dew]

But seeing alaised polygonal edges doesn’t bother me personally. Especially on the N64 whose entire visual presentation was built on smoothing out the entire image quality.

[civic wind]

Nuh uh I can use HQ2X to see the developers true vision

[zinc dew]

Maaaan I used to hate on that but efff it, if that’s what someone needs to enjoy a retro game then fine.

[civic wind]

I think the hate is weird honestly

[green epoch]

thats how I played metal slug in the early aughts

[civic wind]

In some contexts it’s not bad. Like Scale2x smoothing on gba. Literally looks like what those sprites would look like if the devs had more resolution

[zinc dew]

Yeah, that’s the self reflection I had.

[civic wind]

Not overly smooth

And XBR on n64 is great

[tender pine]

Look. It's simple for me. N64 is easily my most treasured, played and nostalgic console. If I can get a variant that does 4K via plug n play, no additional scaler involved, well, that's sort of my holy grail - core accuracy depending of course.

[civic wind]

N64 holds same place for me @tender pine

[cerulean elk]

someone call me when the 3DO FPGA console is out

otherwise you are all fighting over less cool stuff 🤣

[civic wind]

ps1 is like a fisher price toy in comparison

[zinc dew]

I like N64 and PS1, they’re just neat

[tender pine]

I'll give PS1 it's dues.

[civic wind]

Sorry that was sad bait

[zinc dew]

it’s ok, sometimes you need to cast your line with cheap bait to see what kind of fish you’re dealing with

[civic wind]

I just have so many good memories of social gaming/multiplayer on n64

Ps1 is like oh boy, playing another final fantasy with the cat

[cyan dome]

https://tenor.com/view/panasonic-3do-console-wars-toy-box-baby-games-super-nintendo-entertainment-system-gif-18327272376180857973

[little socket]

But n64 was the one released in many bright colours...

[zinc dew]

Remember when YouTubers were like “omg m2 is real”

@cerulean elk

[eternal island]

can a person respond to bait with more bait

[cyan dome]

m2?!? isnt that a motorway in the uk?!?

[eternal island]

or would that be taking the bait

hmm...

[little socket]

I remember when tjat channel was still interesting for me

[civic wind]

That would be a Reddit argument

[tender pine]

N64 couldn't be more influential and/or impactful. It's reverberations still being felt to this day.

[zinc dew]

Which one

[civic wind]

It also had the wideboy

[eternal island]

but wouldnt that imply both people giving the bait are serious and its not bait. was i just baited

oh no

[little socket]

The one with the arcadys

[cyan dome]

Nokia N-Gage couldn't be more influential and/or impactful. It's reverberations still being felt to this day. (its impact is playing real video games on your phone)

[eternal island]

lets try

[civic wind]

I wanted an n-gage so badly

Idk why

I was very young and it was a handheld

[eternal island]

ye kudos to n64 oot is like a perfect mid level ps1 game

[civic wind]

Zelda could kick clouds ass

[eternal island]

nu uh

i checked

[tender pine]

Girl, you know it's true...

[cyan dome]

mario 64 wrapped up as a snack?!?

[tender pine]

It finishes so well...

[zinc dew]

Marionigiri

[cerulean elk]

all the colors all at once

[tender pine]

All the nutrients a growing boy or girl needs.

That's a horror show of an image. Cluttered and painful to look at.

Graphic design 101.

[little socket]

It is MiSTer

[cyan dome]

well AWBacon clearly is at Garphic Design 102

[cerulean elk]

the point is its a horror show

catch the eye

[cyan dome]

you cant say basic graphic design when theres advanced graphic design to consider!!

[cerulean elk]

and its also not done

[tender pine]

Snack on this Mr Man...

[fallen sparrow]

I'm at work, so it's hard keeping up with the conversation.

As you sell products in the retro scene, it's worth having a presence on X.
I'm not a big fan but I see it as a tool that's useful.

I respect anyone's decision, but unfortunately X does have an impact.

[cyan dome]

unless its dreamcast stuff of course

[tender pine]

X? Twitter...please.

[cyan dome]

dreamcast games are more popular on blue sky for whatever reason

[little socket]

As always shiny thing > principles

[cerulean elk]

thats better

[little socket]

Still lowercase T

[tender pine]

Better or just different?

[cyan dome]

you should only post sega games on blue sky

[tender pine]

Why is updated using a capital U?

[cerulean elk]

haha welcome to my iterative process

[cerulean elk]

I always capitalize any word that isn't an "an" or "is"

[tender pine]

Honestly, I wish I'd never seen this graphic...

[cerulean elk]

well you will see it again at 4

[tender pine]

Please, stop.

[cerulean elk]

here let that be what I leave you with

[tender pine]

That Sonic image and swirl...you could lose them.

[cerulean elk]

I don't think you are getting why Sonic is there 🤣

[fallen sparrow]

Easier to type 😂

[little socket]

Of course the retro yter chooses a sexualized stillframe

[tender pine]

Sorry, I lost my virginity long ago...

[fallen sparrow]

That's a good thumbnail

[cerulean elk]

You give people what they want

[tender pine]

Maybe if I was 12 pre-internet it would elicit a giggle.

[cerulean elk]

and you test that against not doing it and you watch the views change

[cerulean elk]

lol I see you are trying to charm me now

[fallen sparrow]

I better get back to work lol

[cerulean elk]

professional bean eater

[cyan dome]

i shal make a thumbnail now

be back in 10 mins

[fallen sparrow]

I'm actually testing new bean flavours today.

[cerulean elk]

HP sauce flavor I hope

[cyan dome]

my thumbnail

[cerulean elk]

clearly I have been bested 🤣

[cyan dome]

my video will answer wether or not you should play video games on your mister

the answer is of course no

dont listen to pissfingers

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[zinc dew]

I would unironically love this

[cerulean elk]

Id run it if it wasnt so "NOT VGE"

also I'd get "you copied ThorHighHeels / Sean Seanson" comments

[zinc dew]

I don’t know ThorHighHeels but that’s a funny name

[magic girder]

A less good Sean Seanson

[cerulean elk]

you mean a better Sean Seanson? lol

[magic girder]

I mean what I said 😏

[cerulean elk]

both are fun. I like ThorHighHeels because it gets even weirder

I like what I don't make...weird shit

Civvie11? Pretending to be locked in a game dungeon where he is tortured to play FPS games all day? Makes no sense....sign me up!

[magic girder]

Maybe you should dress up as a Sesame Street knockoff like Arlo

[cerulean elk]

I can't sell weird

I wouldn't even try

I tried to put so much "art" into the channel early on. Nobody cared

id make elaborate series intros with props, camera movements, framing, practical effects...never worked. I just do a "Esotericcccccca" intro and it takes me 5 seconds and does better

[tawny heath]

You should create a character that’s wrong about everything and then as yourself correct him in the most up your ass way possible. Maybe shoot them with a gun at the end of each video

[magic girder]

The best video you ever did was the one that you didn’t even make - it was the other guy pretending to be you

[zinc dew]

For what it’s worth I think your finger pointing sticks are weird

[cerulean elk]

that's me being as weird as can work for the channel

but people miss 9/10 weird things in the videos because they are very subtle. Mostly me keeping myself happy

[zinc dew]

Haha I was kidding, it’s just a funny prop, not weird

[cerulean elk]

but shooting everything at T1.4 and forcing people to look at basically NOTHING in focus ill never end

[cerulean elk]

haha no its weird

[magic girder]

You know what else is weird?

How awesome the N64 core is!

[cerulean elk]

never heard of it

[zinc dew]

it’s like the M2 but REAL

[tawny heath]

I’m so glad it exists so I don’t have to spend millions of dollars on HDMI mods

[magic girder]

You had to go there 😅

[tawny heath]

It’s an HDMI mod Micheal. How much could it cost 5,000 dollars?

[cerulean elk]

you mean R.E.A.L

[fallen sparrow]

HP is always added after.

[solar slate]

If you want quick information, all that fancy and long intros are just in the way. I usually skip such stuff.

[wanton sun]

Yes, as the core will be open source and therefore the pinning is known, any other core could be ported as well.
I'm not yet sure how well the whole environment fits compared to a generalized like the DE10-Nano, e.g. for addon boards or different input devices, internet connection, ...
But for typical controller + sdcard + core + hdmi situations, that should be fine.

[cerulean elk]

So it’s YOUR fault 🤣

[neat sierra]

Hmmm that becomes more interesting then, especially if it has usb ports. Too bad it will be N64-y looking 😆

[cerulean elk]

3DO core wen?

[wanton sun]

but only with n64 tri wing controller!

wait, don't we have 3DO on mister already? or soon?

[cerulean elk]

haha yes...in progress

[green epoch]

Not if Zet can help it 🙂

[raw oriole]

Only robby's favourite Virtual Boy unaccounted for at the mo

[magic girder]

Virtual Boy is the final boss

[green epoch]

the last of the forbidden cores

[magic girder]

Truly the “Impossible core”
||because it’s impossible for anyone to be interested enough to pick it up||

[little socket]

Tbh, I'd be more interested in it than n64.
More curiosity based interest, since there is no n64 love in me

[blissful plaza]

Me ?! I've done nothing (yet).

[green epoch]

[fallen sparrow]

Potential additional cores sounds interesting 🤔

[green epoch]

lets not count those proverbial chickens before they hatch

[quick arch]

If we could put sticker 64 on "iSTer" we can unleash power for N64 core 😎

[thorn flax]

went thru every comment under his post

not one blue checkmark noticed the mister

i’m not gonna say that the people who pay for twitter are low intelligence… but i am noticing patterns

[woven flint]

I, for one, welcome a Lemmings version of Madden.

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-exploding-football-player-exploding-player-football-american-football-gif-4464834

[blazing anvil]

So there is (almost?)a replay2 which then should be able to run the M64 core seeing it's the same FPGA vendor.

[plush summit]

let the Replay2 exist first, then we can talk bidness

[blazing anvil]

Looks like it's almost done from what I interpret. But it's not moving very fast

[plush summit]

yeah, but keep in mind, we dont know what the software side looks like

even if it accepts the MiSTer cores/framework, there's still a bunch of work that has to be redone

[cerulean elk]

So many people don’t realize much of what holds MiSTer together as a platform is the software OS side

Cores don’t do anything much at all if there isn’t a robust dev and user front side software solution that “just works”

[plush summit]

exactly, a DE-10 is pretty much a paperweight

[zinc dew]

A thousand times this.

[blazing anvil]

I maybe wrongly assumed since the FPGA is the same brand the core would just work but one could hope 😄

[zinc dew]

I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about but any variations in hardware do take some amount of effort to port over.

[abstract slate]

this place is very active today

[plush summit]

wow, I said it first and VGE gets credit, nepo baby

[zinc dew]

The Neo baby at the end killed me 🤣

[plush summit]

who said this was the matrix?

[zinc dew]

fml I am at the mercy of autocorrect

I think this all being open sourced is really cool.

[abstract slate]

all i know about tabor is from the one interview he did and birdybro's funny emoji. oh and apparently before he was at analogue, he was a very bad buyer/seller on the retro gaming forums.

|| I am tabor ||

[cerulean elk]

I will come and I will find you!

(Post haircut photo I sent to my wife every haircut🤣)

[plush summit]

Please do, I want to hang out with you one day ❤️

[cerulean elk]

Haha any time anyone is in Chicago they can come over

Just gotta bring high life

[plush summit]

oh heck yeah

Bacon man, I like you

[cerulean elk]

I like me too

[zinc dew]

someone has to

[plush summit]

let's go the the Hoffman Estates

[cerulean elk]

I’m the only one that counts

[jolly turret]

Which one is the better choice here between 8BitDo 64 controller and the Retro Fighters Brawler64 Wireless Edition? I've been waiting on the 8BitDo 64 to appear before making a purchase.

I'd love to get the NSO 64 controller but it seems to have very high latency, besides having a potentially more fragile analog stick.

[zinc dew]

How important is authenticity to original layout to you? The high latency of the NSO N64 controller isn't really that bad at all and it's a near perfect 1-to-1 recreation of the original.

I use a Saffun clone controller primarily because of the NSO N64 controller's incompatability with my bluetooth/wifi combo dongle (need to reconnect every time), and that's a great option too.

[jolly turret]

I can feel more than 10ms latency easily when playing guitar through software. With gaming, I honestly don't know, however I used wireless controllers exclusively so far.

[abstract slate]

saffun seems like a good mix of authenticity and latency

[jolly turret]

The shape isn't a dealbreaker if it's different, just mainly want to have the correct layout in a good quality controller.

[abstract slate]

but also, an extra 5 ms of latency seems less important imo on a 20fps console

[mossy vector]

The 8bitdo 64 developers must have been a fly on the wall here, as they scaled and clamped their stick range to an idealized trident range.

[jolly turret]

If the NSO is below 15ms when using it with the Mister, it should be just fine for me. I'll have to look into it some more, and what it means to subscibe to their online service to be able to make the purchase.

[mossy vector]

I can't say the same for brawler, but it's been years since I've touched one

[vapid hawk]

i'd just like to say i called it:
#1096015979055697940 message

[green epoch]

too slow grandpa

#fpga-platforms message

i am the smartest boy today

https://tenor.com/lGkuMIs00p7.gif

[vapid hawk]

heh

[zinc dew]

Conveniently the MiSTer core also does auto clamping, so if you have any controllers that are off (like the Brawler 64) you won't notice it on the core.

Well the original Brawler 64, I tested that via SNAC before the clamping change went in. I don't know how good the new ones are.

[vapid hawk]

do you get clamping even on snac?

[zinc dew]

Oh, I don't think you do.

yeah I tested via SNAC

Ok I posted some photos - #1096015979055697940 message

I tested original controller, original Brawler 64, a Brawler 64 wireless, and an original N64 with a third party stick

[blazing anvil]

@zinc dew do all those 4 numbers need to read 85 or -85 for 'perfect' as in like new ? Tried to follow that discussion but it's a bit hard

[tender pine]

Go Raphnet or go home...

Allows plug n play, ultra low latency and hipster points.

[cerulean elk]

stop doxxing @zinc dew and his baby videos

[green epoch]

he won't stop sending them to me

it's constant

[quick arch]

Maybe it could be interresting to check
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VlSf7d9LJo

[cerulean elk]

"When in doubt...SUE SOMEONE"

end of document

[zinc dew]

Depends on who you ask, but 80 - 85 seems best. Even the original sticks had minor variances.

It's really just about what feels good to you as you play. The numbers are just there to corroborate your own personal findings. N64 sticks wear down over time its guaranteed you weren't playing with "perfect" values anyways.

[cerulean elk]

Proper range is 69-420

[slow silo]

Don't forget this is the DE-25 Standard we're talking about, the Mister dosen't use the standard DE-10, it uses the DE-10 that is much more stripped down, so if they ever make a DE-25 Nano we might have have all these features (And I assume the DE-25 non-nano would be far too expensive)

[cerulean elk]

Pack it in folks. A winner has been declared!

[tepid shuttle]

i cannot imagine dickriding analogue this hard

[cerulean elk]

Seriously. I mean come on 🤣

[slow silo]

It's not a true Virtual Boy core unless it actually supports 3DTVs

[cerulean elk]

It can be done on 2D TVs. Just have someone punch you in the side of the head. You’ll see double and get a migraine

That’s the VB experience

[blazing knot]

And probably not even getting paid for it 🤑

[tepid shuttle]

that's the scary part

[slow silo]

To be honest, I was half-joking, I actually do have a 3d tv and monitor XD

Oh, this reminds me. Can I still use virtual controller paks if I am using SNAC controllers?

[junior pine]

From my experience with Replay 1, we will see some boards in the hands of some individuals, never available to purchase by general public, and then silence again for another decade. Then there will be some posts on some obscure Atari forum about FPGA Replay 3, rinse and repeat...

[vapid hawk]

i'm kind of skeptical that replay2 will ever actually reach large scale production too

[zinc dew]

I don’t even know what a Replay board is lol. Anything that isn’t MiSTer based or a commercially sold product intended for general consumer use is a nonstarter.

[cerulean elk]

Exactly. You need a large install base. I’m impressed honestly even MiSTer got there. Because it started as a build your own project and anything that doesn’t come in a case, pre assembled and in a pretty box…that’s not easy to get market saturation on

It’s like the ITX Llama. Great project. If it came in a case with a manual and a box EVERYONE would want one. But as it is it’s just for hobbyists and will probably always be that way

[ember pewter]

I love my ITX Llama but the price of just the board makes people flinch without evening mentioning the price of their case

Would love for it to get the Taki economies of scale treatment

[naive briar]

Stop spying on me.

[plush summit]

That is also a possibility, which is why I'm holding out until I know anyone can grab a board with no problems or delays

If you can't provide, then it's dead on arrival

[plush summit]

The MiSTer is cursed because it gives the false impression that anything is the next board without thinking about scale. The community is in a civil war because of an educational board 🤣

[zinc dew]

Nerds are gonna nerd.

[plush summit]

Tru

[zinc dew]

“Oh yeah, but this is better!”

“This can do one more jigglefloppy, it is better”

[plush summit]

”We’re ready to move on from the DE-10”

[cerulean elk]

And you’ve still buying a graphics card on top of that price

The devs sent me that board or else even I’d look at the cost and probably put my wallet away

And even then I had to go on eBay and buy a Voodoo 3 and that wasn’t cheap

And because I didn’t have a case it’s all in my closet in anti static bags disassembled

[ember pewter]

I completely cheaped out and got a $15 Radeon 9250 for mine. My play money didn't extend to tracking down a Voodoo 3

[cerulean elk]

I wanted the Voodoo look

[ember pewter]

Yeah, I figure one day I will but not for now

[cerulean elk]

Not the worst price ever

But still an extra 200

[zinc dew]

I’m not the target market for an itx llama so the MiSTer handles everything I need

[cerulean elk]

I’m not really either. I mean I grew up with computers but I don’t have some deep desire to have every “generation” of PC in my studio

I mean I’m still running the clock out on Win 10 and won’t upgrade til they force me

[zinc dew]

Me too lol

[cerulean elk]

the smart move! Because you know something is going to "break" and I hate spending the better part of a day fixing my processes and workflows because a new OS broke "shit that just worked"

that's one more reason MiSTer is successful; we've never had an OS level update that "broke it"

EmuDeck on Steam Deck? So many updates broke file paths or configs. But we've never had the "oh shit bad update we are fixing it" issue

[plush summit]

As a QA worker, the MiSTer is just bliss

Yeah cores can break, but it's so isolated and usually the root causes are known

If anything, just archive a working revision

[cerulean elk]

Yep we've never had that OS level update that caused MiSTers to stop working

[blazing knot]

You spoke it into existence it’s gonna happen with the next OS update

And then Analogue will truly take over

[jolly turret]

I'd rather invest in a dedicated high-end Windows 98 SE machine to cover all retro PC bases. Or is there any specific reason to use a lower speed CPU for DOS games?

[ember pewter]

The ITX Llama kind of is a dedicated high-end win98 retro PC. As for needing lower speed CPUs for DOS games, some games are clocked to the 8088. With the CPU in the ITX Llama you can drop the speed and disable L1 & L2 cache to drop the speed for games like that.

[jolly turret]

Got it. Just wondering if a P3 at 1ghz or more will be able to run DOS games without any obvious issues. I hardly ever played DOS games when I had a Windows 98 SE machine.

[ember pewter]

Yeah it really comes down to the vintage of the DOS game. Plenty of them would run fine on a P3

[tender pine]

https://ebay.us/m/SnKTYN

Anybody know how this would do for wanting to put together a capable Windows 95 machine?

In comparison with the Llama.

[ember pewter]

The graphics and audio is terrible compared to the llama

[tender pine]

Terrible as in less choice or just flatout poor quality?

[ember pewter]

Both

[tender pine]

Ah. So not recommended?

[ember pewter]

I wouldn't. The conclusion of that board is the same as last week's lgr video
https://youtu.be/oZcmCQdSbAk?si=R3G_FD44u7vCKjdE

[magic girder]

Windows XP was peak era for gaming. Sorry guys

(Early XP)

I guess that’s not too far from high end 98 though

(But I took it that Llama wasn’t quite there for later stuff)

[solar slate]

XP was great

[weary palm]

Nah. DOS was peak. 👴🏻

[mortal panther]

I was a big fan of XP Professional x64 Edition. It's still one of my favorites Microsoft ever released... but that was essentially a workstation version of Server 2003 64-bit. Not the same code base.

[tender pine]

Windows 2000 doesn't get talked about not nearly enough. That's what I used during those years and it rarely if ever let me down.

[mossy vector]

Meanwhile I was using windows 98se to emulate conkers BFD. And using the keyboard arrow keys in mario 64.

This was after a Windows ME install imploded. As it seems to do

[lone geyser]

Hot take: we're currently living in a golden age of gaming. It just doesn't feel like it because of the state of AAA. If you ignore AAA (sorry Robby) there's a constant drip of artful and innovative titles at extremely affordable prices

Anyways XP had Microsoft Sam so it's the best OS

[magic girder]

Just buy older games at discount prices

[lone geyser]

You either die a $60 live-service title or live long enough to see yourself perpetually on sale on GOG for $3.99

[languid dune]

Oh god, EmuDeck has broken so much stuff on my end. I hate it, but it's really the only game in town for emulation on the Deck.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve been testing RetroDeck. See if it’s worth a vid

But yeah Emudeck is great until it updates then it sucks for weeks til they fix it

[languid dune]

Still never fixed Sega Rally 2. Been broken all year on EmuDeck.

[teal citrus]

If only Steam ROM Manager (regular SRM, not the one that Emudeck has) wasn't that much of a bitch to handle.

Otherwise, this would be the best way to configure emulators and play games with it.

No need to rely on Retroarch.

[junior pine]

The best option for a DOS gaming machine with modern components right now is this:
https://github.com/snipeexpress/WeeCee_Redux
It uses a SOM that is more compatible than the one used by the ITX Llama, and that SOM has a very compatible VGA controller onboard.
The VGA controller on the TinyLlama is VERY bad.

[tender pine]

I'm an utter noob but if something like this WeeCee was fully assembled and available for purchase I would be all over it...

[ember pewter]

If you're interested the ITX Llama is having another batch some time soon. If you join their discord you can get on the wait-list

[blissful wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/windows-windows-me-windows-animation-gif-12836524862865574110

If someone made a windows ME core on mister that had flawless accuracy, somehow ME would find a way to crash that causes the fpga to desolder itself from the pcb

[thorn flax]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-brock-sad-anime-scared-gif-17514573

the flashbacks the flashbacks

[chilly ember]

Worst os i ever used, open up a web page in internet explorer and it would lock up

Think the hardware was half to blame though

[slow silo]

1.21 JIGGAFLOPPIES!?!?!?

Never used ME thankfully, I remember the Windows NO joke from that era though... and Windows RG

[tender pine]

Cheers. I'm already on their discord and also the waitlist.

[latent dagger]

I went from 95 to 98se to 2000 to XP to 7 lolol. And not intentionally, It just happened that way through my life growing up

I legit ended up just using the better OS versions the whole time lol

I jumped on the early bird tester bandwagon for 8 though. despite the complaints other people had about it, for my use case as a casual PC normie and gamer 8 was fucking phenominal with insanely good plug and play and backwards compatibility support for hardware and software (older games just worked) whereas 7 was always fighting me and I had to always fuck with it to make shit run.

fighting with it for old software that is. anything made to run on Win7 obviously worked fine

[blissful wolf]

95 to ME, 2000, XP, vista, and then 7. So straight through the fires of hell

thankfully by the era of 8 I'd already moved to mac

actually I forgot that between 95 to me I had an old school computer I got for free that was fucking windows NT and I didn't understand you could just install 98 on it and thought the hardware was NT only so suffered miserably having my only "game" on that pc be fuckin mspaint

and one of the vga pins was broken so the screen was magneta

[abstract slate]

Yeah i never had the pleasure of using ME or Vista. I heard Vista wasn't so bad though.

Personally, i liked 2000 better than switching to xp.

[blissful wolf]

Me was so bad because they rushed it out as the new merged NT kernel (that became XP) as nowhere close to ready and they wanted a cool “millennium” product so they crapped out this abomination

So the look of windows 2000 was backported into 98SE

[tender pine]

All this PC chat in the N64 chat why?

[wanton sun]

the channel is so popular, people don't leave it for anything 😅

[zenith orchid]

Haha right? It's always been that way

Then again we're all too cool to keep topics in their appropriate channels

[hushed nova]

I think people show up here for one particular console and just sort of...never leave that channel

the Jaguar channel has that going on too

[zenith orchid]

Ah, so it's more like they're looking for a clique based on their favorite system, and then proceed to talk about anything and everything in that channel?

[hushed nova]

yeah

[neat sierra]

“I’ve found my people”

[green epoch]

and they are jaguar people

[neat sierra]

Yeah seriously

“People”

[zenith orchid]

Personally I'm okay with 3D0 people staying exclusively in the 3D0 chat 😄

[neat sierra]

It’s like a trap to catch the truly unwell

[iron wren]

Any friend of the n64 is a friend of mine

[zenith orchid]

I love the N64, even though back in the day I sold mine for a PSX. Parents wouldn't let me have both, it was heartbreaking

But I had to play FF7

[neat sierra]

I mean if you’d already played Mario and OOT by then it was a solid move 😉

[zenith orchid]

Never had OOT 😢 ... biggest regret.

But since this core came out, I enjoyed so many games more than I thought I would. Especially F-Zero X

Damn I wish that was a launch title

[abstract slate]

Yeah i traded my n64 for ps1.

[magic girder]

A wise decision

[blazing knot]

How could you possibly forget Quest 64?!

[tepid shuttle]

this would work on me

[latent dagger]

I traded the trucks, bearings and wheels of my skateboard for a PSone with DualShock controllers, games and a memory card with a kid down the street

I got TR, Crash, FF and NFS games with it. Some others too but those weren't that important

[sullen harbor]

I forgot you got the red case

[green epoch]

I should have bought all the colors

[mellow raft]

Last gold ever sold

[junior pine]

Contact it's creator if you are interested, he's in Vogons:
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=80651&start=1040
It's creator is snipe3687 and he is willing to make some boards and sell them to individuals for a very reasonable price.
Then you just have to get the Vortex86 DX yourself, and the case.

[onyx minnow]

however, he must be pretty bad at poetry

[zinc dew]

Unfortunately I’ve got a pretty negative perspective about Vogons considering the harassment they’ve afflicted to one of our members.

Would advise anyone interacting with that community to have extreme caution.

[junior pine]

I think I know where you are coming from, but I have been there for many years and they were always very polite and nice.
There may be some... individuals. But the community as a whole is nice, really. And the creators of opensource retro-pc boards like the WeeCee/Redux are really into technical stuff and always trying to help.

[zinc dew]

That’s wonderful to hear.

Also if other people think that of the MiSTer community then that’s something we need to take on the chin too. We are responsible for ourselves and if we have bad actors that reflects poorly on us too.

[junior pine]

The MiSTer community is one of the nicest I have been in 🙂

[zinc dew]

Also if you feel I’m being ignorant then by all means call me out on it. I do this to force a conversation and have a different side provide a different perspective that illustrates how that opinion is wrong. Which you did and I appreciate it.

[junior pine]

Ah no no, it's ok, I always value your inputs. It's just that well, a small part can't be the same as the whole thing... that's some strange english I know, but the idea is there 😄

[onyx minnow]

just want to say, incase there is some ambiguity, my comment on them being bad at poetry is my bad dad joke humor, because vogons are literally bad at poetry by definition

[junior pine]

Yes, they are deadly bad at poetry in fact 😄

[zinc dew]

I am being a poopy man, please disregard my negativity

sorry

There is however nothing ambiguous about how awesome the N64 is

Because it is

[mossy briar]

Hey @wanton sun, I'm working on a story about the N64, and I'd love to shoot you a few questions if you don't mind.

[magic girder]

“There once was a wizard called FPGAzumSpass…”

[zinc dew]

Hey, friend! Do you mind linking your site or newsletter when you get a chance? Thank you!

[mossy briar]

No site since this is purely a newsletter, but here's the first edition: https://thememorycore.kit.com/posts/emulation-devs-respond-to-android-sideloading-change

Hopefully they're not all as heavy/depressing as this week's 😅

[zinc dew]

That’s awesome. Thank you!

[mossy briar]

I'm glad you like it! I'm still figuring out exactly what it will be, but my goal is to publish every Friday.

[abstract slate]

Are there a lot of great dos games that require slow processors? I know wing commander is popular.

[broken creek]

Descent prefers a slower CPU. It runs crazy fast on my Pentium III rig. I think Jazz Jackrabbit likes slower CPU too.

[slow silo]

I'm not sure I like where this story is going considering all the words that could rhyme with that...

[slow silo]

From my memory it's different tiers of it. You have the games made for the original IBM with the 8088 and are basically just hard-coded to run at a speed that would only be playable on that CPU, and then you have games that could handle faster CPUs but break once you go past a certain point and can't slow themselves down enough.

I remember years ago having some QBasic games I downloaded that try to masure your CPU speed to run at a playable speed, the faster your CPU the longer it took to measure your speed. I recall when I tried it on a friend's 200MMX CPU it gave an error that the CPU is just too fast and the game will not run at normal speed

[broken creek]

Yeah, there's definitely some tiers. Some games want slow and no cache, others need cache but still slower than an MMX Pentium. Games around 97ish and onward don't seem to have issues.

[slow silo]

As long as you have a 60hz screen. I've had games from 2019 that broke beause I have a 144hz screen

[abstract slate]

Interesting. I should see what descent and jazz jackrabbit look like on my p4

[slow silo]

I remember trying to setup a DOS system in Virtualbox on my 11700K... EVERYTHING would crash, DOS itself would run but pretty much anything I tried to ran on it crashed

So I tried those programs from back then that would slow down your DOS pc specifically to play older games

... they crashed

[abstract slate]

Yeah i maybe virtual box can't do it but you'll get better results with 86box

Idk if descent and jazz jackrabbit are worth much effort though

[slow silo]

Yeah, it was just as an expirement, I mostly use 86Box or PCem

[mossy vector]

perhaps being too technical. the old DOS games that run too fast might wait for vsync, but then can complete another whole frame(s) within vsync. So a game technically has to wait for vsync, and then wait for not vsync. The other stuff that messes up is analog joypad reading, which can overflow. But yeah I refuse to acknowledge anything exists other than 60 to 72 Hz refresh rate, so that could be a problem too.

[slow silo]

It's not even small games too, evne Shovel Knight of all things had that issue at launch, though it was quickly corrected

And yeah, it's usually a v-sync thing, for games that let you turn it off that usually fixes it, but not all have that option, and for some that won't help

IIRC when SEGA ported Vanquish to PCs it added higher (unlocked?) framerates as an enhancement from the original version, but then found out you take more damage the higher your framerate, and had to patch that

[wanton sun]

if it doesn't involve the recent events(I guess you understand I cannot answer all kind of questions about it), I'm fine with that.

[mossy briar]

I totally understand, no worries. I'll send a DM.

[tender pine]

Hang on. Recent events doesn't mean M64 - Modretro's take on the N64 - does it? I only say this as I understand it to be open source and had hope unlike Analogue full transparency...

[hushed nova]

did you miss everything

it's Robert's core and he's working on it with them

[tender pine]

No. I didn't miss that. It's exactly what I was referring. I know he likely had to announce said fact sooner than maybe he would have liked due to eagle eye individuals spotting it likely was Roberts core after Modretro tweeted a short vid of MK64 running.

But after this announcement I didn't expect such secrecy of sorts not being able to answer some questions on when he got involved and what stage it's maybe at currently.

[hushed nova]

he's not their spokesperson, so it's probably best he just doesn't comment on the state of things

[tender pine]

All of this being said it's his and Modretro's business to choose what to say and what not...I'd have just hoped for something quite the opposite from how Analogue conduct business.

[hushed nova]

how is this in any way the same thing?

[tender pine]

Sorry, how is what the same thing?

[hushed nova]

like he said he'd prefer not to have an interview about his current work and now you're bringing up analogue

it's just weird

[tender pine]

Hard not to bring up Analogue as it's essentially going for roughly the same thing...a FPGA based N64 console that allows for use of cartridges.

Both are going to essentially operate in the same space.

But must i keep saying if Modretro and/or Robert has already said enough I naturally respect and understand all of that. Like I keep, keep saying, it was just my hope in the wake of how Analogue are mishandling business that Modretro may have been the panacea and operate with full updates and transparency. Just my hope.

[wanton sun]

I can of course speak about everything n64 core related.
But you will understand that I cannot speak about technical details, schedule or anything like that of a non-released product yet.

[tender pine]

Yes, sorry Robert, I hope I wasn't speaking out of turn. I was just more interested in having two similar-ish N64 projects sort of competing and the perhaps differences between each.

[wanton sun]

No worries 🙂

[digital remnant]

really funny that Mazamars, who sold his N64 core to Analogue, triggered you to start developing a N64 mister core, which you "sold" to Modretro then 😄

[junior pine]

Well, it depends. I come from the 486dx2@66 era, so the games that grew on me (Lost Vikings, Magic Carpet, Doom II, Jazz Jackrabbit, Tyrian...) don't need slow processors. But if you ask someone from the PCXT era (I was on Amiga at that time) they will probably tell you otherwise for games like Diggers, Flight Simulator 1.0 and whatnot. But for that, the PCXT core on the MiSTer is a perfect solution.
Wing Commander is a 286/slow 386-era game... that period remains elusive on both the MiSTer and new real DOS hardware... It's somewhere in the middle. Very interesting times, but sadly not easy to get into them properly. Maybe by slowing down the ao486 core? I don't know

We are totally offtopic here, if someone wants to discuss DOS games, let's meet on the computer cores channel 🙂

[wanton sun]

Can't say that, the plan was much older.
If I would have been capable of doing it as my first core, it would have been my first core, but I was not, it took several years to build up knowledge and stubbornness.
The cooperation now was never planned or thought of when i started in 2023.
The dream to walk up bob omb mountain on Mister was enough to sell this idea to my mind.

[blissful wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mask-salesman-majora-majora's-mask-happy-mask-salesman-gif-11672857087489241088

Oh god the discourse has restarted?!

[covert bough]

What an epic journey it’s been

From bobomb and beyond

[digital remnant]

yeah sure, i just meant its funny how it developed over time!

[mossy briar]

What's this about the Mazamars core and the Analogue? I've been trying to figure out which core the Analogue 3D will use but I haven't found anything.

[zinc dew]

They’re using their own proprietary core being developed by a person who uses the online handle “Mazamars”

No one knows anything about it as it’s never been publicly shown and Analogue has yet to display anything related to their product.

As far as everyone is concerned, it doesn’t exist as we have seen literally nothing about it.

[mossy briar]

Ah ok. So it wasn't showcased or anything before Analogue picked it up.

[zinc dew]

No

obviously it’s real, I was just trying to stress that no one knows anything about it outside of Analogue

[mossy briar]

Yeah. Crazy that we've seen more of the M64 than the Analogue 3D at this point, and the latter was supposed to launch months ago

[digital remnant]

its www.ultrafp64.com

[digital remnant]

of course it was, mazamars shared many videos on youtube for example, just not what you expect (no retail games)

[zinc dew]

Oh never mind lol

[digital remnant]

i just thought this discussion was the start of the mister n64 core for you, thats why it thought it funny (pretty sure ultrafp64 wasnt sold to Analogue already back then either)

[zinc dew]

The PSX core is what started it because it shares roughly the same hardware

[digital remnant]

pretty sure the PSX hardware is nothing at all like the n64

except both are MIPS

[zinc dew]

Look up the processors between those two

Same family

[mossy briar]

Thanks for this! The core/code was never released though, right? Just demos?

[zinc dew]

The reality is we have the best way to play the N64 outside of real hardware right now. That’s on MiSTer.

[green epoch]

yeah, exactly

[digital remnant]

yeah. ultrafp64 was finished somwhere in the middle of 2023, i guess some time before or after that Analogue decided to create 3D and use ultrafp64

[zinc dew]

No demos of real games?

Or rather videos

[green epoch]

Not that I recall - but i came to this late

[digital remnant]

a cpu does not make a console, especially in N64s case

[civic wind]

I saw demos of his core

[zinc dew]

No but it’s a large part

[zinc dew]

It was just finished according to his website

[civic wind]

Via dm but I probably shouldn’t share details

[zinc dew]

Of actual games, that’s neat

[digital remnant]

ares is still better in my opinion. but i am sure the modretro n64 variant could be better

[zinc dew]

It’s not, it’s really good though.

[civic wind]

Yeah it was ocarina of time riding rooms in Lon Lon ranch. He was showing me the different VI effects being toggled on/off

[zinc dew]

I am massive N64 fan, I would know

[digital remnant]

then check the compatibility lists for problems 😄 ares also doesnt need workaround hacks like the mister core atm

[green epoch]

excited for the immovable object vs the unstoppable force here

[civic wind]

If he’s really the guy behind the analogue core, then cool, he was always really nice

[zinc dew]

Remind me when ares plays as well as the MiSTer core

[green epoch]

he seems like a nice dude - I wish he'd get to that vb core..........:D

[civic wind]

I don’t see why we should shit on it, unless we’re going to crap on m64 as well

[zinc dew]

Ares is nice, MiSTer nails timing, input latency, native controller support, and comparability

Ares is obviously my third choice behind real hardware

[civic wind]

Does it nail timing? I thought things didn’t run quite the same as original hw. Either faster or slower

[green epoch]

You won't win this, Robby. Welten's brain worms vibrate around the patched games too much

[civic wind]

Or do you mean lag?

[digital remnant]

maybe you should read fpgazumspass list of stuff the mister n64 core doesnt do correctly then

[zenith notch]

"In terms of accuracy it's a mixed bag

CPU timing accuracy is slightly higher in the core, also Ares doesn't emulate the CPU pipeline
RSP timing accuracy is higher in Ares
DMA/Memory transfer timing accuracy is higher in Ares, but more important: consistent, which the core cannot deliver due to the DDR3 situation
RDP timing accuracy is higher in the core, Ares doesn't emulate RDP draw timing at all, it costs zero time to draw (also the reason why Tetris 64 JP is broken)
PIF emulation (gamepads, paks, eeprom) is slightly better in Ares, but Ares cannot do SNAC at all"

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=6947&start=540

[zinc dew]

Sorry I play games i don’t read lists

[digital remnant]

well thats fine, if you see it from a gamers perspective only, you would be fine with project64 1.6 as well i imagine

but we dont need to start an accuracy war here 😄

[zinc dew]

Nah it’s pretty awful

there is no war, go back to your excel sheets

I have played it all

You can keep reading text documents

[digital remnant]

cool

[zinc dew]

very cool

[civic wind]

Ah yes let’s crap on emulators, which is what all this stuff is derived from ultimately

:p

[zinc dew]

Ares is awesome

bucko over here has a chip on his shoulder and I’m shutting it down

[civic wind]

Project 64 is pretty bad though let’s be real

[zinc dew]

@digital remnant you come out of nowhere with this and then I bullshit my way into getting you to show your true colors by you shitting on the core

Listen, I know you’ve got a bias and want to weasel it in here but I’m not putting up with it so take that shit elsewhere.

[digital remnant]

I dont shit at all, maybe you should read better

[zinc dew]

Yeah I know your type

Last warning, take it elsewhere

For visibility I let the mod team know so if I’m wrong they can shut me down. Which is fine, I’d rather be wrong than be unfair.

[green epoch]

well that was exciting

[zinc dew]

Yeah I’m sorry, I actually feel kinda bad now

[green epoch]

I'm excited to read the post mortem on the FPGA discord later. I'm sure it will be presented fairly

Nah, I'm with you - I read that first message like welton wanted to start some underhanded shit too

[zinc dew]

man did I screw up, real talk me

because if I did I’ll apologize

I hate being a mod lol

[civic wind]

Isn’t this the fpga discord?

I thought his first few posts were ok, but it did go off rails. I agree with ending the discussion

[zinc dew]

Im sorry

I’ll take a break from this chat for a bit sorry

[civic wind]

You’re fine

It’s too early for this shit anyway

[green epoch]

I think the problem is that, based on what I have seen, I know welton doesn't like the mister core. So that paints everything

[green epoch]

fucking this.

[civic wind]

Hence why I’m a bit crabby too, still having first coffee

I need to stop checking discord when I wake up

[zinc dew]

I actually don’t know what I’m talking about most of the time

I just play everything and go “this is neat”

[civic wind]

Because of this I might move my mister out of my dev setup onto the big screen and play some snes

💪

[zinc dew]

Maybe one day I’ll screw up so badly I’ll get demodded and be free of this curse

[digital remnant]

not sure if you mean me, but i like the mister core, i followed it since its conception, am amazed that it fit into the mister, am a patreon to robert, read every n64 article he pubished, own a mister and ordered a superstation. also ordered a 3D and i will order a M64. i just like to talk about n64 emulation details because my experience as teenger in 2000something still haunts me for n64 emulation, if you just want to play a game without fiddling and you cant. i just dont agree with the original statement that ares performs worse than the mister core.

[zinc dew]

I’m sorry

[green epoch]

ahh, then that's my mistake - I think I mistook your brain worms for dislike

[zinc dew]

I overreacted and that’s my bad

[green epoch]

and again, I would never kink shame brain worms. If someone came to me and was like "you know you don't need to manually rotate and crop every rotated arcade game" I would not respond well

[zinc dew]

that’s me, lol, I would say that

[green epoch]

because that is untrue. I need to

[magic girder]

Ares and the core are both “better” in different ways, from what I read. On balance, for me, the core is my preferred way to play. They’re both great, and anyone that thinks either is bad needs their head checking

[digital remnant]

no worries, i got just weird about n64 emulation in the last years since Near started his n64 core

[zinc dew]

Thank you for accepting my apology and understanding me

Because I do dumb things sometimes

A lot of times

most of the time

[green epoch]

man, the n64 channel

we have it all

[zinc dew]

@digital remnant also I have no clue about how well things perform, just so we’re clear

I just play games and go “wheeeeee” and spin my propeller hat

[magic girder]

Nothing wrong with that

[zinc dew]

I guess not lol

[digital remnant]

thats fine, thats what i meant earlier with a gamers perspective.
i just worry about n64 linux, libdragon homebrew and hitting that vine in DK64 for no real reason 😄

[zinc dew]

You are right

What’s up with libdragon? Why is it hard to get implemented accurately?

[digital remnant]

i dont know exactly sadly, i guess older libdragon stuff works before the custom IPL3? or maybe its because of libdragon microcode?

i just know i tested my libdragon-based homebrew game with my mister and it didnt work, but it worked on real console

i guess Robert can answer that, but pretty sure it will work on M64! 🙂

[zinc dew]

omg you made homebrew games, I love homebrew developers. Now I feel extra bad for being a jerk to you. I’m sorrrrrrry. 😭

[digital remnant]

well its not public yet, so i am a schrödingers-homebrew-developer at best

[zinc dew]

Please share when you can, that is so cool!

[quick light]

Taking a break to work on your Gamecom core?

Why are we talking about Tron Ares aswell?

https://tenor.com/view/memes-bone-skull-skeleton-dancing-gif-17871793

[wanton sun]

Mazamars and I talked multiple times before that already, all the way back to when I started on the PSX core 🙂

Not sure what is the issue with newer libdragon. I never tested anything newer since the fix for libdragon more than one year ago. (RSP running in a busy loop forever)

New IPL3 should work, as the systemtest works

About the Ares discussion: there have been plenty of improvements on Ares in the last two years and unfortunatly I couldn't follow with all that in the core due to space and timing restrictions.
Not sure if anything on RDP side changed, but at least RSP and memory timing is for sure more accurate. CPU I don't know.
I think the issue plenty of users will have is that you need a powerful PC to make it run really well. If you run it with a weak PC, the experience will not be great all the time.
That's not Ares fault. I personally prefer it being accurate over "fast".

[slow silo]

Funny you mention that, thanks to the Mister I have been looking into making my own paddle controller for some of the arcade games now ||and because prebuilt ones are way too expensive for me|| and if I do ever manage to build one with my stupidity you can bet the first thing I will do it spin it at max speed and go "wheee!" XD

[zinc dew]

Before anyone else pings me yes I was an asshole and I apologized!

[zinc dew]

A that explains it for me. I don’t have a powerful PC lol. Mine is from 2016 and I’m still rocking a 1080 lol.

[slow silo]

/ping -t 5 robby_linux.com

I messed up my formatting, oh well

Honestly, a good pc from 2016 should still be enough

Also it's all CPU, not GPU for Ares

You don't need a system that can run Cyberpunk with full path tracing at 4K

[zinc dew]

What would you know about Cyberounk!?

Oh, it’s in your name...

[green epoch]

I have said it once and I will say it again. Robby has the soul of a shitposter - but his heart is too large

https://tenor.com/njWGqqmrCAv.gif

[slow silo]

I just copied it from Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter https://youtu.be/yOl51HsZaLM?si=TD81l95jy90bxYfC

Was even worse at fighters back then, Cyber Akuma was the only character I could beat my cousin with because he was such an absurbly broken an overpoweted boss character XD

I also got internet around that time and needed a username, was literally calling myself "Someone" before

[blazing knot]

For a split second i thought this was just a very specific youtube drama callout video 😂

[slow silo]

That's why I love using it as an example, the name is perfect 🤣

[magic girder]

Integrated graphics, brother ✊

[digital remnant]

https://fxtwitter.com/TakiUdon_/status/1962163703442456723

Taki Udon (@TakiUdon_)

I’ve been messing around with N64 carts on SuperStation. Speed would need to drastically improve to make this practical.

Quoting Taki Udon (@TakiUdon_)
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[tepid shuttle]

n64 disk...

[solar slate]

yeah that is quite slow. Even the Z64 Copy Station with Zip drive was faster. A 512Mbit game would take ages.

[chilly ember]

Only thing i'd be interested in for loading from a real n64 cart is if cartridge tilting would work

[digital remnant]

stop'n'swop 🤣

[tender pine]

Why in god would you require inserting a cart when all it's doing is reading the same ROM you've likely got sitting on your SD card??

It's like one step forward, two back

[digital remnant]

started out like this with PSX on superstation too, now it is live, maybe they will improve it for live loading

[chilly ember]

Exactly that's why cartridge tilt would be interesting

Otherwise i have no use for it

[tender pine]

Also. In my humble opinion. Anybody backing Taki Udon is backing the entirely wrong horse.

[chilly ember]

Not that i'd be tilting alot of cartridges but it would be interesting to see other people do it :p

[tender pine]

The dude Taki Udon is a prime example of somebody writing checks they can't cash...

[digital remnant]

why that, i bought his mister clone board and it works great - and his communication is way more transparent than anyone else

[worn delta]

Let's keep it civil chaps.

[twin barn]

There is no backing of a horse here. He just makes clone boards and stuff and is trying to carve out his own niche.

[twin barn]

I agree, I think cartridges and CDs are out of scope for the MiSTer project.

[tender pine]

He's mister clone board is ok but it also required some devs needed to alter their cores in order it would work with it. Time will tell if it holds up but I'd be pessimistic.

[twin barn]

Personally not a good use of time, but he's working on what he wants to.

We aren't entitled to him doing what we want to

Either he gets paid for his products or he doesn't :p

[tender pine]

He's got so many irons in so many fires like his Switch Lite project fell way short of his wild expectations.

[twin barn]

It's hard to start a business and find revenue streams, especially when it's something you are interested in.

[tender pine]

I honestly don't feel he's different from Analogue for example, which is fair enough but whereas Analogue get criticised regularly this Taki Udon appears to get a free pass half the time.

[twin barn]

Not sure what kind of experience you have in manufacturing, but I have experience and a lot changes from concept to realization.

[little socket]

does he gather money before release?

[tender pine]

Oh yes he does.

[twin barn]

He hasn't got a free pass. Seems like a manufactured narrative in your own head. Plenty of people have criticized his decisions here. The MiSTer Pi name being chief among them, board changes that have incompatibilities, etc... but those are fair criticisms.

[tender pine]

Way, way before release. Sometimes never getting released.

[twin barn]

What never got released and was cancelled?

[tender pine]

Many variants of the Switch OLED still haven't seen the light of day.

[digital remnant]

he communicates a million times better than Analogue honestly 😄

[tender pine]

Yeah but that's a pretty low bar.

[twin barn]

So is he never working on them again? I thought he's been communicating about that pretty openly. Again, you are manufacturing a narrative that doesn't seem to be consistent with the available evidence.

[digital remnant]

was pretty interesting to follow all of his designs steps on twitter, also all the stuff he added since the originally announcement of superstation for example

[tender pine]

He promises the world - which is ok, aim high sort of thing - but almost always falls short. That's just been my view.

[twin barn]

It's tough making new stuff. I don't care if someone takes a longer time to deliver something than they originally planned. It's a lot better than not making anything at all.

[tender pine]

While I hear you it's still important to be realistic. Like I say, use Analogue as an example. Clearly Q4 2024 was unrealistic and likely never going to be the case, so, why broadcast it as such? Taki regularly does the same. Communication is one thing but giving false hope is another while having people's money banked.

[twin barn]

Anyways, this is not on topic to just whine about Taki's product delivery schedule and kinda boring.

[tender pine]

Not whining and it's not exactly off topic since I was reacting to the post him allegedly using N64 carts on his 'superstation'.

[zinc dew]

@cyan dome GameSir controller spotted!

[tender pine]

What's worse is a PSX GameSir controller exists. Surely that would be better and ideally paired with a PSX clone of sorts...

The guy is wildly inconsistent.

[green epoch]

I'm starting to think that maaaaaybe you just don't like him

[zinc dew]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-playstation-xbox-nintendo-console-gif-18930935

[mint shadow]

Other than the N64 core which had some issues on some but not all MiSTer Pis, which cores required alteration specifically for the MiSTer Pi?

[zinc dew]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-yes-nitrous-kids-gif-15888241

https://tenor.com/view/gift-excited-nintendo64-christmas-fist-pump-gif-5320897

[quick light]

Il happily back whoever that can offer people affordable mister setups. Both Qmtech and Taki removed one of the biggest barriers to the Mister project. Which was the price.

[tender pine]

Honestly, right or wrong, I don't. I'd never ever be personal or slander him, obvs, I just don't appreciate his business model and find it misleading at best and downright offensive at worst.

[tender pine]

Right. But ever hear the expressions you get what you pay for and/or false economy?

[plush summit]

If a dev goes out of the way to improve a clone board, isn't that a good sign?

[quick light]

The SuperStation is quite interesting. Whilst il never use discs myself. It's quite interesting to see the Mister go from not being able to use your own discs and cartridges for many years, to now being able to use discs.

[quick light]

Blame Terasic for not dropping the prices. De10 nanos were a lot cheaper than they are now. They upped the price.

[tender pine]

I don't blame terasic as I do the vultures and Gollums that started buying them up in multiple quantities once the mister project was growing bigger.