Nintendo 64

[quick light]

Ty again mate.

I haven't really used the N64 core. But I saw you have a game compatibility sheet and Resident Evil 2 is on there. So I wouldn't mind completing it and uploading that it's been completed to the sheet.

(Recently did this with the Saturn core)

[magic girder]

Pretty sure nobody updates the sheet now 🙂

[quick light]

Ah

[magic girder]

I’m almost certain a few others have finished RE2 already

But don’t let that stop you enjoying it!

[quick light]

Sweet

Yep this worked. Thank you kindly

[weary perch]

mine is up to date https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?usp=sharing

[inner garden]

I patched DKR, put the ROM on my mister and tried to load it up in this core:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/blob/main/releases_turbo/N64_80MHz_20241214.rbf
But I just get a black screen? Could I be missing something?

[zinc dew]

Interesting, after the logo it just goes to a black screen for me on the Turbo core. Works fine on the regular core though.

[inner garden]

But that's weird because on Video Game Esoterica he said he used the turbo core

Is there maybe a newer turbo core that can only be built to have it?

[zinc dew]

Or maybe it’s a timing issue and we’re just unlucky

[inner garden]

damn

[zinc dew]

My N64 core is dated 241214

[inner garden]

damn my regular n64 core failed too. I will try update all

save me update all

[lament escarp]

There is a new version of update_all, so you might as well run it to update update_all

[spare meadow]

Just pached Mario 64 with B3133 but only got a black screen when I tried to play it. Does Mario B3133 bot works on Mister or am I doing something wrong?

[inner garden]

I tried after update all and still black screen. But regular unpatched rom does load.

There's a thing that says Patch Games and it's auto but I don't know if that patcher patches DKR yet

I doubt it

[hushed nova]

you can try adding the same stuff to the n64 database as the base game to see if that fixes it

[chilly ember]

Working for me on latest turbo core

[zinc dew]

Thanks for the follow-up. Means something is wrong on my end.

[mossy vector]

How large is the size of the file? You do hopefully understand there is a limit to what can fit in memory.

[spare meadow]

98.304KB. I remember I read somewhere that B3133 was playble on HW and Mister. I could be wrong of course.

[hushed nova]

there was a VGE video like 3 months ago where he played it on the core, not sure what version config changes etc tho

[spare meadow]

Thanks, I will look for it

[latent dagger]

I know it requires you to buy some extra hardware, but I do personally advocate for just using an actual N64 controller for this core. I went out of my way to buy a snac adapter and two and 64 controllers because there's just really isn't any better alternative, and while there are aftermarket controller options for N64 controllers that use the same physical design they just tend to be kind of crap for one reason or another.

I bought my snac adapter off eBay for about $20 I can link it to you if interested assuming you're in the US.

[restive bloom]

Great if you actually have original controllers that are either in working condition or not already modded.
Not so great if you prefer any other controller or otherwise don't fit into the above camps or don't have the money to drop these days

[chilly ember]

I've been using a NSO N64 controller and been perfectly fine. Original n64 controllers are such a hit or miss with the condition they're in

Any original n64 controller is a gamble because the vast majority of them are shit joystick wise from wear

[torpid hamlet]

I'd be okay with this, sure

[torpid hamlet]

The "problem" (not ACTUALLY a problem) with my N64 NSO controller is that the stick is too rigid. Ironically enough, my existing N64 stick is loose but in a good way that allows for more fluid gameplay

My NSO controller is built too new at the moment so it's not quite as free as my existing N64 controller

[chilly ember]

Wear it in

[torpid hamlet]

In which case I may as well just get a SNAC adapter eventually

[chilly ember]

Do some blj's in super mario 64

[torpid hamlet]

Wouldn't that just involve the A button, not so much the stick

[chilly ember]

Yea but you're gonna fail enough times that you're gonna be slamming that stick out of frustration to make it work

[torpid hamlet]

Yeah, about that

[chilly ember]

You could also play a game of mario party 1

[torpid hamlet]

Not the first time that was suggested

That would be really funny

[lament escarp]

It took some fiddling but I think the intec modkit is also a good option, especially if you already have a not too great n64 controller at hand.

[latent dagger]

This one is without a shell
https://www.ebay.com/itm/226630165947

This one is with a shell of some kind on it.
The one without a shell is from the guy I bought mine from but mine has a 3D printed shell. You can always send a message first and ask if he has any with a shell or can make one for you for another couple dollars.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325977250558

@torpid hamlet sorry, mobile seems to be acting up. I did reply to your message but then it undid it

[torpid hamlet]

How does a SNAC adapter plug in? Never needed to look into it until now

USB?

[mellow raft]

It goes into the user I/O port on the I/O board on the top of the MiSTer.

A common misnomer that I need to clarify: The port may be a USB port shape, but it is not USB on an electrical level, like any other USB port on the MiSTer.

It's a raw pinout, that allows developers to design custom addons and adapters that interface directly with the core in various ways.

For example, midi out for the mt32pi or snac adapters allowing native accessory support.

The USB hub is already such low latency that no human could tell the difference. The latency you'd have using usb controllers is purely the controller's added latency itself or anything added to the chain (like adding a USB hub into the mix that adds latency itself)

Snac's main purpose is adding support for odd accessories that various consoles had, like lightguns or microphones.

[torpid hamlet]

Oh right, I remember that

[cold pollen]

I wish more people were conscious of this

[latent dagger]

I guess I should add some info when it comes to using snac with an official or 3rd party controller.

The controller will only control the games on the core and not the OSD.
When it comes to saves that use controller pak, you need to switch to controller pak mode on the controller 1 in the OSD, do the save, then switch it back to snac mode otherwise you'll need a real controller pak if you don't want to do that process.

When it comes to rumble you'll need an actual rumble pak for that.

So you'll still need to keep another controller either wired or BT or a keyboard for controlling the MiSTer menus

[torpid hamlet]

I don't have either so I'm fine

[restive bloom]

You'd think the "User Port NOT USB" marking would've gotten that message across already :P

Still, it is really super neat to just hijack the normal USB pins for whatever nefarious purposes you'd want.

[restive bloom]

And now I can see why people say to use extension cables for SNACs. That does not look healthy for the port to use directly.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, the ports that connect directly to the user port always looked super precarious to me and adding unnecessary strain on the port.

[latent dagger]

I use one yeah, not just for the stress on the port but also cuz I actually need the cable to be longer for my controllers lol

[restive bloom]

TRUE.
Though my setup is playing pretty close to the TV. totally not healthy, but much truer to the ✨experience✨

[latent dagger]

I have a 32" set so I don't need to be that close

[bright lotus]

Hmmmmmmmmm

Is there a way to back up controller pak saves?

Without using Everdrive?

[zinc dew]

Use SNAC with this core to load your game, then switch controller back over to N64 controller memory pak and save your game.

Use this site to convert the file if you need to - https://savefileconverter.com/#/mister

[bright lotus]

does it work back?

this is nice but tbh I'd want a homebrew specifically to copy everything back and forth

[latent dagger]

Use snac and load up a game with first controller as snac and second controller as pak mode then do a transfer. Unless I'm mistaken about games having the functionality of doing stuff like that like how PSX lets you move saves

Okay so I looked it up. There's some games that give you this functionality method of holding the start button and other dumb stuff to be able to move around saves for any games supposedly. But you could also just load up the game shark ROM and it has an option for managing saves and transferring them across different paks.

So doing what I said above but with GameShark ROM. Then transfer from real pak to mister SD virtual one

[prime sphinx]

I would love to see someone make a port of Street Fighter EX for the Nintendo 64 and call it Street Fighter 64

[mortal panther]

Well, that's certainly one way to make an already terrible game even worse. 😏

To be fair, I only have experience with the arcade version. I hear the PlayStation version was far better.

I'll have to try it sometime.

[cunning cradle]

I had the same reaction to it that I had to MK4. “Why are you doing this?!”

[spare meadow]

Street Fighter EX3 was fun

[neat hearth]

why did they make SF EX and not SF3

[blissful plaza]

"2D, bad. 3D is so cool."

[hushed nova]

alpha was before EX

and EX was a Arika, who approached capcom with the idea

[neat hearth]

hmm ah

[mortal panther]

SFIII was most likely already in development during the release of SF EX. It was released the very next year.

[neat hearth]

I noticed they came out really close

[hushed nova]

yeah, it was a new company formed by a number of ex-capcom/SF2 devs

which probably has something to do with why Capcom let them do it

[neat hearth]

I see

[hushed nova]

SF EX lives on as "Fighting EX Layer"

[green epoch]

"Street Fighter EX... Plus Alpha"

[strong flower]

I've been continuing to update the MiSTer N64 Testing sheet. I've been focused on the tab, "Hacks for Original Hardware."

[strong flower]

In case no one helped yet, you have to make sure it's not the Rev 1 version of DKR. If you try to patch that version, you'll get the black screen.

[zinc dew]

It says it in the readme. People, read the readme. It’s called readme because it wants you to read me.

[raw oriole]

Pshhh that trick never works

You’ll be expecting people to read the pinned posts next

[zinc dew]

peeeeeeeeeeeeens

[blissful plaza]

https://30fps.net/pages/palette-lighting-tricks-n64/

Testing that for today.

https://youtu.be/v3wYV6gxJII

Really seems to work correctly on the core, but I don't have the best eyes possible.

[neat hearth]

it ain't amazing that demo

[gilded whale]

I just downloaded the diddy kong performance patches, I know there’s others for Zelda and Mario etc. I just wanted to know how many mods like this are there for original roms, and is there a resource for these? They seem to be scattered about

[weary perch]

this is all i can recall

Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Diddy Kong Racing
Goldeneye (tournament edition)
OoT
MM
Perfect Dark (PDHP)

[hidden mountain]

is there anyway to adjust the sensitivity of joysticks, particularly for this core?

[gilded whale]

Thank you, I just wanted an idea of what to search for

[cedar forge]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=9038 is what I did

[hidden mountain]

thanks, i literally just found that page. thank you

[brisk edge]

There's a tool called patcher 64+ that has a chunk of them included. But really there's not a great resource. Check romhack sites as well

[upper pivot]

Is Analogue actually going to ship in July?

[chilly ember]

Who knows

Bet it won't have a turbo mode anyways

4k support sounds cool until you load up a goldeneye rom hack and it's 8 fps in a heavy situation

[bright lotus]

is it upscaling 3D to 4K res or is it line doubling 240p image?

it's very likely the latter so you get crisp pixel-accurate 240p stretched to 4k

with some CRT shaders

[lament escarp]

Just use an external scaler with direct video

[zinc dew]

I personally am not confident in Analogue being able to deliver this in a timely fashion. Replicating a 3D system in FPGA is leagues beyond anything they’ve done before and the N64 in particular is a very complex beast.

[magic girder]

But they can just take Robert’s code and sell that

(Not saying they should - but they could, although it would be a shitty move)

[cunning fern]

I think the core was already done (ultrafp64), just the hardware part missing.

[zinc dew]

Yeah? I’ve got no insight on their process. I just know this shit is hard and probably takes longer than making their other stuff.

I could definitely see the hardware being a problem, especially with the tariffs. Well at least for shipping to the US.

[magic girder]

I just… don’t get why people want it. Buy a MiSTer, bros

[zinc dew]

Because it’s a sleek looking device made by a company that has a reputation on delivering a good product. I think if you’re casually hardcore about this stuff, i.e. wanting accuracy but not willing to DIY for the best, then Analogue products make a lot of sense. Or if you’ve got a ton of carts like I do and want to use them.

I think the value proposition compared to the MiSTer is where that argument falls apart though.

[magic girder]

Or buy a non-sleek hacked together open source project and have it today

[zinc dew]

yeah I mean, I 100% agree with you haha

[magic girder]

And you can also play PSX games too

I get why it exists, but anyone who’s in here arguably isn’t their target audience

[cunning fern]

It is a 4k N64, for 249. Will fly off shelves.

[zinc dew]

I think my perspective above would hold more water if it weren’t for the R2, MMS2, and MA’s next big thing.

[magic girder]

Analogue brought me here. Robby kept me here

Quirrin… mocks me here

[zinc dew]

I think so too. N64 is real big.

I am personally not interested in it other than knowing how it compares though.

[magic girder]

They don’t have to contend with the memory issues that Robert had to deal with. If it’s not “better”, I’d be disappointed

Mi2Ter/MiST3r with a reworked N64 core vs Analogue N64 is what I’m interested in 😎

[cunning fern]

If they hack it to run other cores expect it to be out of stock for years. Kinda like the pocket.

[magic girder]

None of the others have been hacked in that way, right?

If it was, they won’t be able to sell a PSX/Saturn console as easily in a few years

I think the only reason the handheld is open is because they don’t think they could sell multiple handhelds, and there’s no real competitor

But they won’t open up the consoles because otherwise they’d have done that early on

[zinc dew]

It’ll be interesting what they do. I think there’s a lot more people out there with a MiSTer now than their previous products. I expect a lot of people recommending others to get a MiSTer instead because of the value proposition.

[magic girder]

I feel the one console thing somewhat adds, weirdly, to the premium-ness

At least the perception*

But once they’ve gone around the loop and done each of them, they can start bundling them together - e.g. a SuperSega-like

[quick light]

I might have replied previously to a similar comment so il keep it brief. But for me I picked the Mega SG and RetroUSB AVS as they were both cheaper to buy and get shipped to my country and a full Mister setup

However

This has now changed with the likes of Mister Multisystem and Mister Pi

If I faced the same choice. I'm picking the Mister Pi/Multi System any day over individual FPGA systems.

[quick light]

I reckon a lot more people have a mister now due to the clones/'other' de 10 nano alternatives.

That price point for a full stack was a lot

And that wasn't factoring shipping.

[quick light]

Yes it meant that I could only play 2 systems in comparison to the mister supporting a lot more. But my thinking was that a lot of NES/Famicom and Mega drive/Master System games were still cheap to pickup.

I think when Analogue announced they were retiring the Super NT. I was debating on picking one of them up. But thought, if I sold my Mega SG at the time, I'm not far off an official DE 10 nano

[magic girder]

I think I made the jump by not considering the total cost of all the boards 😅

The DE10 was like £210 and that seemed fine

Then I spent as much again pimping my setup 😎

Could’ve bought a PS5, but I regret nothing

[quick light]

Mister is amazing though and I'm so glad to own and experience one. The biggest highlight for me is how everything just works. Especially controller support. I've mapped it once and yeah, it's good for everything.

[magic girder]

That “everything just works” extends to the thing you’d think would be the most basic - the games actually playing accurately

No more do I have to wonder if a weird bug, glitch, or slowdown is due to playing on an underpowered SBC

Now if only I could have a MiSTer for gen 6 😭

[zinc dew]

I wanted a Polymega first, then they axed the FPGA so that was an instant no thanks. I looked at modding my PS2 for HDMI out and an ODE but then the PS1 core for the MiSTer started development and that was cheaper.

[zinc dew]

I actually find it fun to see just how often people coming in thinking it’s a bug with the mature core and it’s almost always an issue with the original game or some bullshit they’re doing on their end.

[magic girder]

MiSTer wins again!

[visual sage]

CDi is somehow going through this already, even though it’s not super-mature.

[zinc dew]

Do you think the N64 core can run this?

https://youtu.be/TszlCs3vA_c

[plush summit]

People keep talking about Porkchop's next big thing

[bright lotus]

Oh, oh damn

Today is 25th anniversary of Perfect Dark

[cunning cradle]

Yeah, I was listening to the recent Retronauts podcast on it this morning. Great game.

[lean sable]

🎉

[mortal panther]

Your skill in Dual Wield has increased (5)

[mossy vector]

That means I must have rented PD over the memorial day weekend. I was usually lucky like that. Or rather, that was probably my last bit of luck. Now with this dang internet in every pocket, I don't see much luck on getting the first batch of anything.

[bright lotus]

I am an absolute emulation filth

[mossy vector]

One of my workaholic friends had half life and a 3DFX card from the prior year and wasn't too impressed. But in the first rental I got to at least Pelagic 2... And was like, yeah let's buy it. It was easier with memory cards to just continue from where I left off

[bright lotus]

I shit on copyright laws

But also I own Perfect Dark twice

[mossy vector]

May you never have had to experience losing your save file and progress when returning a rental. Pretty much guaranteed that the first thing the next asshat did was erase all the save files.

[bright lotus]

Oh yeah also this thing

-# it's not very good

-# it's not worth the cheats it unlocks

[zinc dew]

Perfect Dark club represent

[bright lotus]

Noice

[tawny heath]

Wouldn’t this mean only 3-4 people could rent a particular game?

For a 4th person to rent Zelda somebody’s file has to get trashed

[mossy vector]

All 3 files nuked, with prejudice upon first boot. The 90s were like that man

Not even a week to rent again. Kiss that save goodbye.

[tawny heath]

I just don’t think it’s a reasonable expectation that renters will not touch old save files

[mossy vector]

Of course not. But my point is there was no other option. And yes, that's why I would return games 10 minutes before close to maximize the time I'd have with it. Knowing full well the next person had zero thoughts or feelings.

[bright lotus]

we never had renting over here, at most just VHS movies

we had plenty of arcades though, where kids lined up to play on PS1s and Dreamcasts lined up for 30 minutes per game

no save cards allowed

[lean sable]

Stats! Lol been playing this for a long ass time

Who needs accuracy

[mossy vector]

Woah. Were they specifically banned, or did people just not have them?

[bright lotus]

banned to not cause conflicts

-# and no progress, start over, you can't beat games you don't own

[mossy vector]

What a racket. Keep them wanting more.

[bright lotus]

we also never ever had N64 and Saturn representation for obvious poverty slav reasons

3DO was too expensive to import

[mossy vector]

Well, to be fair, 3DO wasn't in any store that I ever visited. Couldn't even tell you what the box looked like. I saw one CDi at a high end furniture store, and wasn't impressed since they were all smug about presenting it as a "multimedia" professional product or some nonsense at $500. (Most TVs were like $300 at the time).

But OMG N64 was everywhere.

That pokemon craze even reignited N64 sales. That cringey pikachu console abomination.

Perfect Dark was my last N64 game, and I shamelessly moved into the PS2 in the 2000s.

[bright lotus]

no shame

it was a logical step

[mellow raft]

I learned ocarina of time's first 3 dungeons by heart to this day because of this

Likely a reason I liked renting f-zero x so much

[zinc dew]

Quest 64 my beloved…

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/kero-quest-64-frog-dance-kero-64-dancing-gif-8368766443367856692

[mossy vector]

Probably. But it likely has that awful RARE end game impossible challenge factor.

I only like 3 of the MK64 tracks and the rest are a chore.

[kind solar]

I’ve not actually played the donkey Kong game despite having owned the cartridge

But I like mk64 a lot

[zinc dew]

I like Diddy Kong Racing’s single player more but I like Mario Kart’s multiplayer more,

[deft tree]

Same

[mortal panther]

The multiplayer was so much fun... I just always wished there were more multiplayer maps in Mario Kart 64 back then. Those same 4 got old after a while.

[covert bough]

Perfect dark will always have a place in my heart

Mostly bcz I’m working on the reboot

But I played both the n64 and Xbox 360 games and love them

[storm vessel]

Professionally or a personal project?

[vapid hawk]

there's an announced perfect dark game in the works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofUi9DR9sc4

[covert bough]

That’s the one!

[bright lotus]

I hope it's a great time that does series solid

[covert bough]

Been on the project for 7ish years now so yeah fingers crossed people like it when it comes out

[raw oriole]

Looking forward to that!

[vapid hawk]

yeah same it looks cool

[zinc dew]

I’m a massive fan of Perfect Dark. I don’t know anything about your new project but I’m excited all the same!

[worn delta]

Curious to see how this one is, loved the original, but have to admit I am not a fan of the new character design.

[covert bough]

Can’t comment really but she is a scan of an instagram model and we’re continuing to iterate on everything

[neat hearth]

I don't feel anything

[neat sierra]

What happened to the Xbox hair color? She ran out of red hair dye?

[gritty basalt]

Put a purple head cap on the new character design then you'd have a dead-ringer for Buzz Lightyear (in the promotional image you shared, at least)

[zinc dew]

I signed up for the NSO Expansion. Mainly for the GameCube games but I wanted to play some portable N64 lately. I’ll give it a try and see how well it fares against the reigning champ of N64 - the MiSTer core.

[mossy vector]

You can play N64 many places. But with NSO subscription you'll never pay more.

[zinc dew]

Yeah true. It’s why I cancelled it originally because I do a Family Plan so it’s friggin 80 buckaroos.

But I’m willing to give it another shot for Switch 2 launch.

[latent dagger]

I only pay like $30 towards it myself cuz it's a family plan with my brother and my friend

[kind solar]

i learnt earlier that there's a gameboy color version of perfect dark

it's even made by rare

[zinc dew]

Yeah, has rumble too

It’s ok, top down action game

[blissful wolf]

looks like a political compass but for how slavic woman can look like

[mortal panther]

@cerulean elk Yep, pretty slick! It's fun to play it in 21:9 aspect ratio with an internal res of 1440p, too. This is a nice port, indeed!

[cerulean elk]

ulltrawide is fun

[gilded whale]

C-C-Call me Junior!

[robust fog]

turbo core wont work with my n64 controller - normal one does, it detects all the buttons during the button setup but wont actually detect them when I use in game

[mossy vector]

What other controllers do you have plugged in at the same time?

[robust fog]

I have a ps5 one via bt HOWEVER it works fine with the non turbo core - I can have them both active and I can just jump between if I wanted

[brisk edge]

usb adapter? one of the 8bitdo kits?

[zinc dew]

It’s definitely something wrong on your end. Controller management is handled by MiSTer main, not the cores.

[bright lotus]

what's your power supply?

[lament escarp]

Remember when Robby got honest?

[green epoch]

When Robby stops being polite and starts getting real

[zinc dew]

I forgot what that means

[lament escarp]

Wish I had.

[magic girder]

So glad that I’m purple so that he doesn’t lay the smackdown on me for being new

[iron dove]

He kicked kitrinx one time, no one is safe

Egalitarian smackdown

[green epoch]

It’s true. Robby’s fiest knows no color or creed

[zinc dew]

I self reported myself to to the mods after my bullshit in #1046941029296779344 lol

I’m just glad I caught myself being a dick. Thanks for posting about me being fiesty, @green epoch . That snapped me out of it.

[green epoch]

Always out of love, duder.

[zinc dew]

Yeah but you’re right. Sorry again.

[green epoch]

no need to apologize to anyone, man. You’re not wrong, SRG life finds a way.

[magic girder]

Can we get Robby banned?

[iron dove]

You could, but I'd rather you didn't 🙂

[robust fog]

works perfectly fine on everything else, its just that turbo core

[zinc dew]

Damn ok. Hmmmm.

Try deleting the controller config files that are marked as “N64_”

I believe the turbo core also reports as an “N64” core.

[iron dove]

Yeah they share config files, odd it only impacts turbo core. Unless loading with an MGL

Deff worth deleting the N64 config files in /config and /config/inputs

[iron wren]

Mods, break his n64 joystick

[plush summit]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-tie-him-up-gif-11927923657429006938

[zinc dew]

N64 on NSO: ✅ Rewind

MiSTer N64: 🚫 Rewind

[neat hearth]

everyone is recording their gaming anyway, you can rewind. just not continue from there

[mortal panther]

I guess rewind is a useful feature for amateur gamers, so I won't judge too harshly. 😏

[random snow]

Picked up Hebers 4 player Snac but not getting any sign it's working. Don't think it's the controllers or the short USB 3 cables. Any jumpers or switches that need to be set on the DE-10. I haven't used Snac in a long while.

[desert crow]

got to turn on snac for whatever port in the OSD. Pick snac for which ever pad

[mossy vector]

Cheat! Or rather, find the two cheats in a list of 200 that actually works.

[latent dagger]

[magic girder]

I am a gaming adonis, so I don’t require rewind

[green epoch]

don't chase the past

live in the now

[lament escarp]

Rewind life would be way more useful imo.

[solar slate]

Savestats are rewind of some sort and is most of the time more than enough to "correct" some messed up gameplay

[zinc dew]

Damnit, I can't troll any of you!

[neat hearth]

I've got so many layers of trolling I'm an onion

[green epoch]

or an ogre

[chilly ember]

Cakes have layers

[magic girder]

Oh, you both have layers!

You know, not everybody likes onions

[mortal panther]

We win!

[bright lotus]

I had a kid bitch at nintendo for "ruining" games with NSO's rewind and had a very hearty convo about accessibility features

I hate nintendo but it's the dumbest thing to pick on

-# I don't even care it requires switch tuah

[cunning cradle]

Yeah, I am always for more options being available for players. Even if I don’t use most of them.

Especially now that I have kids. Nintendo games having legit kid friendly easy modes has been a blessing.

And save states for older games. No way my son would have kept playing bad dudes with me without them.

[zinc dew]

What’s that

[bright lotus]

I don't know why I wrote rewind as "revert"

[brisk edge]

If those features help someone enjoy a game they otherwise wouldn't have, then they're a worthy addition

[neat hearth]

as long as they don't mess with the experience of others, they're not a problem to anyone

[zinc dew]

lol why would you complain about an optional feature. You control the buttons that you press, you don’t like it don’t use it.

[neat hearth]

don't put crack on the table, I will just smoke it

(analogy, I don't actually smoke crack)

(I really don't)

[lament escarp]

It's the same with fast forward for me.

[zinc dew]

Yah I don’t care about fast forward so I just don’t use it

[lament escarp]

But you could rewind faster if you use ffw!

[brisk edge]

I think the only time I consider using emulator features is in RPGs, fast forwarding is really tempting to speed up grinding

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s an awesome convenience feature for that alone.

It’s not accessibility though since it doesn’t make the game easier to play for people with any impairments. I don’t know why I’m being a stickler on this either, just mouthing off again.

But it’s a nice feature I don’t use and maybe should lol.

[lament escarp]

The convenience destroys the experience to me.

[hushed nova]

what if my impairment is an inability to put up with boring ass RPG dialog?

[lament escarp]

I want to play a slow game in the dark.

[zinc dew]

Kinda sounds like a superpower lol

[lament escarp]

Or adhd

[little socket]

Your are talking with Robby though?

[quick light]

I feel this with Pokémon now

My brain just can't comprehend slow turn based goodness

[lament escarp]

I think it's pure relaxation. It forces my brain to slow down.

[magic girder]

We couldn’t be more different when it comes to RPGs 😄

[random snow]

Figured out what was up. Ports are labelled wrong! Port 2 is Player 1 and Port 4 is Player 3. Will hit up the seller.

[quick arch]

Working on the core
https://romhacking.com/hack/the-patchmaker-s-workshop

[quick arch]

@zinc dew did you manage to save in this hack ?

[quick arch]

I found how to save 🙂 by checking on Ares
1ed9253297ba537b0c3f86824c59405b ntsc|cic6102|sram32k|rpak|cpak # The Patchmaker's Workshop (Hack)

[zinc dew]

Oh nice!

[quick arch]

it could vibrate also but my pad doesn't

[zinc dew]

Dude great thinking to check in ares.

[quick arch]

I will propose a PR to be available for everybody

[quick arch]

It was mention working with Ares on YT video and I know manifest is present 🙂

[mint shadow]

There's a new version 1.0.1 of this romhack that was just released

[quick arch]

i will update PR tomorrow but only md5 part needs to be changed for the new patch

[mint shadow]

New entry for 1.0.1 for those who want it now 🙂
01d211cec041905a4acd75822cee5cf1 ntsc|cic6102|sram32k|rpak|cpak # The Patchmaker's Workshop 1.0.1 (Hack)

[iron dove]

huh, I was able to save/load in the 1.0 hack yesterday without any changes

ID:NED___ ntsc|cic6102|sram32k|rpak|cpak # The Patchmaker's Workshop (Hack)
That covers both versions / hopefully later ones

[quick arch]

I will update the commit 🙂

with 1.0.1 I was stuck in the wall after a jump on the first world 😅

[cedar sun]

Really dumb question, but would cartridge tilting be possible to replicate on MiSTer? At least for a novelty feature.

It's something I've done before on real hardware for a laugh, that isn't properly preserved outside of "real hardware"

Maybe it'd be possible to have configuration options to unseat/disconnect certain pins?

[dusty tusk]

If it was an option I think the cleanest way to present the option is to have a minimum and maximum range of pins to disable on the left and right side.

Does the N64 core work at the pin level?

[zinc dew]

I got my game graded

[neat hearth]

is this self published or 🤔

[zinc dew]

Uhhhhhh yes

[neat hearth]

makes sense

[lament escarp]

How many copies need to be in circulation for it to count as published?

[zenith orchid]

It's nice to see romhacks that are like new games. N64 really needs as many of those as it can get.

[zinc dew]

DID THEY REALLY

[green epoch]

why does batman care about quest 64

[latent dagger]

Pretty sure that's not Batman but a legendary wizard who ate a falling star

[inner garden]

Why you guys hording the x68k updated core here? wtf

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/luAIsaGowfz.gif

If there was a new x68k core, I assure you we wouldn’t be hoarding it

[manic basin]

Oooooh. Batmerlin."I LIVE BACKWARDS IN TIME AND I AM THE NIGHT! Well, last night. Because backwards in time, you see. SWEAR TO ME!"

[cerulean elk]

Ignore me. Wrong vid 🤣

VGE works far ahead and stores work like a squirrel hoarding deez nuts for winter. Sometimes he has copy and paste problems

(I’ll fix now)

[zinc dew]

Ok, I've added text commands to give you a list of shortcuts to all the pinned posts in a channel. Type "#channel name pins" and you'll get it. I covered the most popular channels.

For Example: #1096015979055697940 pins

[slender hawk]

Nintendo 64:

• For New Members
• Core Developer
• Download Core
• Testing Sheet
• Important Info
• Reminder on Bugs

[kind nimbus]

What bot/other is this?

[zinc dew]

It’s just the Carl bot that responds with custom reply I typed up when you use the right trigger words

[mortal panther]

Even bots get triggered now?

[devout belfry]

Ive still never played an sm64 romhack (other than shotgun mario), i need to change that now that multiple are working on the core

[brisk edge]

That one is decently fun so far, though, I think the first boss is a bit of a difficulty spike. He takes a lot of hits and he does a lot of damage to you with each attack.

[pallid moth]

core latest version is still the one from update all?

[swift drift]

I believe so. September 2024 I think.

[stoic juniper]

My update all N64 is 20241109, which would be November 09, right?

[green epoch]

ya

[mellow raft]

Yeah.. you'd think we'd have found a shorthand way by now to clarify that in English... But nope.

Fancy countries and their differences.

[neat hearth]

YYYYMMDD is superior by all metrics

it's sortable

[little socket]

I mean, DDMMYYYY and YYYYMMDD have a clear hierarchy, it is just those loony countries having a problem

but continue doing your liquid ounces (imperial) in a feet cubed gallon

[vapid hawk]

https://xkcd.com/1179/

xkcd: ISO 8601

ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04.

[dusty tusk]

Yeah for file name YYYYMMDD is superior

[sullen harbor]

I prefer the YtMND system

[magic girder]

This. MM/DD/YYYY makes no sense to me at all

[bright lotus]

Versioning as YearMonthDay makes infinitely more sense

[lament escarp]

Day month year is what I'm used to and what I prefer

[neat hearth]

ur german though

you put verbs last

[lament escarp]

That's Japanese.

[little socket]

We can do that too if we want to though

[lament escarp]

If you want it enough you can.

(See what I did there?)

[mellow raft]

I want candy

[little socket]

It might be hard, but with enough will there should always be a way

For both

[zinc dew]

People who don’t do MM/DD/YYYU are cowards who are afraid of thinking!

[twin barn]

YYYYMMDD 4 lyfe

[glossy lake]

Bunch of sun worshippers all of you

[manic basin]

YDMYDMHHYSSMMY

It's the Dvorak of dates. Once you learn it, it's so efficient.

[lament escarp]

Objectively DDMMYYYY is best for human comprehension while YYYYMMDD is best for computers for sorting.
Disagree? Don't care since you're a computer.
Think MMDDYYYY is best?
Don't care since you're a Monster.

[manic basin]

What's with this YYYY shit? COBOL4LYFE

[lament escarp]

But... Y2K will kill us all!

[manic basin]

If you're not telling time by ticks from epoch, are you even doing date?

[lament escarp]

You... you asking me for a date?

[neat hearth]

dafuk is U

anyway MMDDYYYY is just madness, end of the world type of mental degeneration

like sorting alphabetically, except C comes first

[manic basin]

Cbsolutely

[blissful wolf]

man finally found a crappy n64 controller as a modkit host and it seems in the meantime intec went bankrupt

and the 8bitdo one doesn't reliably rumble

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-mario-mario-gif-18405221118743840924

I guess due to the tariff situation they've just packed up shop and folded

[neat hearth]

crybabies

there are gamers worldwide

[green epoch]

video games and anime came from america what do you mean?

perhaps you haven't seen classics like Thundercats and "Akira"

but you're welcome

[neat hearth]

nothing comes from America anymore, it's all made in Chyna

[green epoch]

ive seen that movie

[iron dove]

https://romhacking.com/hack/the-patchmaker-s-workshop
Theres a new version, 1.0.2

[ripe cargo]

Has anyone got the Driving Strikers port running correctly on the core? I've got graphical glitches all over the screen.

[iron dove]

#games-and-patches message

that 'swap interlaced' debug option helps a little in-game, but its still glitchy

[devout belfry]

Wym? Its still for sale in their shop

Unless you mean that they gave up on fw updates

[latent dagger]

link?

[ripe cargo]

@latent dagger Is this the Intec controller you are looking for?

https://a.co/d/dkOEqWW

[devout belfry]

Oh sorry, i misread you, i thought you meant 8bitdo closed shop, not intec

[latent dagger]

I doubt 8bitdo is going anywhere anytime soon with the name they've made for themselves and their diversity of products

[green epoch]

Manufacturer of the okay-est controllers

[bright lotus]

okay I am about to try out something

is it possible to adjust stick sensitivity via SNAC when building the N64 core?

because new 8bitdo sticks are way oversensitive on MiSTer

[unreal sundial]

what are your favourites for n64?

I'm happy with the dualsense, but fomo

[latent hatch]

Is that the N64 styled stick that's oversensitive?

[bright lotus]

it's GC-shaped

https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8bitdo-mod-kit-for-original-n64-controller

its a touch oversensitive on actual N64 but MiSTer amplifies it

[green epoch]

I have an nso controller for when I need to get weird. Otherwise I use anything with enough buttons

[unreal sundial]

thanks, getting one!

[bright lotus]

Huh

This is way better result than what I had an hour ago

[devout belfry]

I use the mod kit on an OEM controller, works great

Has anyone ordered from them post-tariffs btw? How bad is the shipping markup now?

[devout belfry]

OEM w/kitsch-bent stick

[mortal panther]

This is what I've been using the most. I love it.
https://retrofighters.com/our-collection/brawler64-bluetooth-wireless-nintendo-switch-switch-online-pc-video-game-controller/

A close second would be the official NSO N64 controller.

[unreal sundial]

considered it, but I see a lot of people w/ misters complaining about the retrofighters controllers (in general)

[mortal panther]

That's interesting. I've never had any issues with mine. I've always used it connected via USB, for what that's worth. If I had to pick one thing to complain about, it's that the plastic shell is a bit too smooth and satin-like. No texture whatsoever, so it can be a bit difficult get a good grip on it to keep it from sliding around in the hands.

[cold pollen]

Doubt it since SNAC is direct input from the core

I might be wrong

[latent hatch]

I've heard people complain about the lower edition ones, but I have the Bluetooth edition of the Retro fighters Brawler64 and it's fantastic.

Wish there was a good traditional styled controller that worked with USB. I still prefer the three prong design for N64 games, even though I did 100% DK64 with the Retrofighters.

[vapid hawk]

i still think the tribute64 is the best modern-style n64 pad by a margin

[lament escarp]

Wonder how the anal 3d pad will shake out.

[cunning fern]

I will keep using the Tribute64 till the 8bitdo 64 is tested. My only complaint is the build quality.

[blissful wolf]

I daily drive a tribute64 and its definitely workable for PD/GE but I really miss the OG form factor

[blissful wolf]

Also just had a crackhead idea. I’ve got an 8bitdo modkit on the way, and aliexpress did that shit where you have to bundle shit for free shipping, so bought a clone n64 controller for 5 bux.

Going to put the 8bitdo kit in my real n64 controller, then try and fit my real n64 pcb and stick into the clone lol

Might not work but its 5bux to try

[devout belfry]

Did you have to pay any extra for tariffs?

[blissful wolf]

I am a 🇨🇦 living in the EU, so no tariffs for me 😎

[mossy vector]

Any bets that the Analogue 3D gave up on increased resolution rendering, and instead just refocused on CRT shadow mask and scanline filters?

I bet someone went crazy before they realized how many N64 games kind of sort of ballpark value their texel coordinates. Things fall apart when not drawn at the exact original resolution, as in gaudy looking vertical and horizontal lines at the edges. So many special cases, offsets, and fudge factors per game.

[lament escarp]

I'm just waiting for the controller tbh.

[mossy vector]

I was just looking at that too.

[lament escarp]

Talking about analouge products on this discord always seems a bit pointless tbh. We're a group of people that basically have all analouge products in one device but completely open source and also a bunch of stuff they haven't even touched.

[latent dagger]

the only exceptions being portability (handheld) and the ability to physically slot your cartridges into the system for that original tactile sensation

but as long as you don't care about that last one and are patient enough for the first one to have a solution made for it eventually (probably by taki) then the MiSTer is the best hands down

[lament escarp]

Yeah, you could argue that the anal pocket is an exception.

[blissful wolf]

🤨

[neat hearth]

okay then

[mortal panther]

I just love talking about how silly they are now. 😏

But yeah, the Pocket is still the only product of theirs that appeals to me.

[lament escarp]

I'm not too much into handheld gaming anymore, mostly for nostalgia so my modded game boys serve me well enough. That being said, my cartridge for pokemon patched crystal just arrived but I'm still missing the label for it.

This is technically all I need from a handheld tbh.

[odd vector]

afaik: JFG is currently the only game that does not run on the core, is that correct?

[ivory laurel]

It works

There’s a patch applied at load time that fixes it

[odd vector]

ah perfect, so the roms get patched automatically for those games that need the patches?

[ivory laurel]

Correct 😊

[odd vector]

amazing, thanks. I'm a little out of touch for the developement status

[mortal panther]

The Impossible Core™️ is perfect now. 🙂

[mellow terrace]

Always has been…even when we were racing boxes and texture corruption in Mario Kart 64 and who can forget three eyed Pikachu and no-eyed Mario 64

Those were the days!!! 😁

[mellow raft]

I stopped paying attention to the Conker crash trip. Did that ever get found and resolved?

[cunning fern]

I think the core will auto patch the rom, so now works perfectly.

[chilly ember]

I tried the crashy parts a while ago and seemed good to me so think it's fixed

[mossy vector]

Conker was a cache line issue.

[zinc dew]

I think I’m sometimes too naively positive about MiSTer cores, which causes me to ignore their faults, but I really do feel this core has become a complete replacement for my N64.

[neat hearth]

welcome back, Robby

[mortal panther]

Same here.
...I mean about the N64 replacement, not about the welcoming. 😏

[lament escarp]

Don't be so positive, mvg said n64 is a mess in 2025.

[unreal sundial]

I believe that covered software emulation (it’s confusing when people say just emulation to mean software). He mentions a gap in the FPGA side not doing all homebrew but fair enough for comparison sake. It’s an incredible core 🎉👏

[lament escarp]

The specific homebrew he mentioned runs fine on the core. It's a meme around here, since he specifically mentioned mister to make his point that n64 emulation is broken and then managed to be wrong about it.

[unreal sundial]

weird, missed it. this one right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKjVpVdHDQ

[lament escarp]

Yeah at 12:40

Basically he says mister boots all commercial games but not libdragon homebrew, which it does.

[unreal sundial]

thanks, the core deserved more praise there 🙂

[lament escarp]

As mentioned, we don't hate mvg and he is probably more knowledgeable about more things than most of us, but it's very funny and a meme since it seems very youtuber like.

[robust fog]

I like some of his videos but hes not always right and well.. blade runner enhanced - as a big blade runner fan.. I still taste that bitter pill

[lament escarp]

That's actually something I appreciate about @cerulean elk . When he doesn't have a clue about something he shuts the hell up. 😅

[cerulean elk]

Haha I know what I know and I don’t know what I don’t know and I keep them separate

[magic girder]

Are we watching the same guy?

You mean American Pixel Cherry Ninja, right?

[lament escarp]

Yeah, that's the good one, right?

[magic girder]

The British guy? Yes

[blissful plaza]

My N64 system is in the box since the final release of the core.

And will probably be there for a longer time.

[devout belfry]

what happened exactly?

[mellow raft]

The N64 was thought to be impossible on the MiSTer for a long time. Robert himself said it wasn't possible. And then he did it.

He found out that new memory tricks he had learned making the PSX core would actually make it possible. Then one day he was like "hey guys I've been working on something that's proof of concept". Everyone went crazy, and today everything officially released plays.

[devout belfry]

today everything officially released plays
ah ok, i knew all that backstory already but that's the part i wasn't aware of

what was missing til today?

er, not working

[mellow raft]

It needs patches for some games but if you have the latest N64 database file, it contains the patches for those.

It'll autopatch on launch.

Should work with some hacks too.

[mellow raft]

Oh I see what you mean. I meant in general "today". Nothing changed today.

[devout belfry]

yeah no i love the core, was playing it a couple nights ago lol

i just didnt know if i missed some big news

[devout belfry]

i assume update_all will grab this yeah?

[mellow raft]

Yes it always grabs the latest.

I think there's an option for it. Not sure. Been a while since I used my MiSTer

[devout belfry]

im 99% sure it grabs it by default

[atomic stratus]

what is the latest version of the n64_database file? Just ran update all and the version I'm seeing is from October 2024

ah ok, found on github and it looks like that is indeed the latest one

anyone have the entry for the diddy kong 30fps hack? I swear someone posted it, but I'm having a hard time finding it

[green epoch]

i think it runs at 30 on the core

[atomic stratus]

oh hmmm, I just popped the patched version on and it recognized it fine...have a friend who said it wasn't recognizing it for them

[weary perch]

if the hack doesn't change the gamepak id then the database should cover it

if you do need the MD5 for that hack, it's: D9EF0D967948DAEC3BD91DF962C44ACA

[atomic stratus]

yeah, I really could've just grabbed it, but I figured it had already been shared 😅

i

'll just share the version I have with my friend

[atomic stratus]

oh wait, you mean it just runs at 30 without the patch? In the standard core?

[green epoch]

i believe so

there was some discussion around it a little whiles back

lemme search

#1096015979055697940 message

[latent dagger]

So the core is better than an N64 eh? Don't see any issues with that lol

[zinc dew]

For me it is but I could understand someone preferring real hardware.

[zenith orchid]

I gotta say, clean HDMI looks great with medium interpolation. VI really over did it IMO

Even better with RT4K options

[lean sable]

I think it's super close to perfect.
Perfect Dark multiplayer I've noticed is still a bit more juttery than actual hardware. When using the 80mhz core it's much closer but still not quite there. The high performance Perfect Dark hack works great on normal core but I tend to play the Perfect Dark + hack by Wreck(but also stock Perfect Dark) the absolute most on real hardware because on the mister(I have the QMtech) I have to use the 80mhz core to have it perform close to actual hardware. Still not quite as smooth of movement as on actual hardware but it is certainly damn close.
Any other game I've played seemed completely normal to play with the normal core or the 80mhz to help kick it up better if it was slackin. I use the 80mhz for the GC Majora's Mask romhack and it's been fantastic so far.

[bright lotus]

the low framerate dips retain longer than the actual hardware

[zenith orchid]

Oh wow, didn't realize there was a newer turbo core than the one I had. I'd better try it out.

I wonder if there's a newer psx turbo core

[weary perch]

most games run a bit better than hardware (though it's usually pretty slight) on the core, but some games and situations (goldeneye, perfect dark, mario tennis 4p, wwf no mercy 4p) run slower or choppier than hardware

mario tennis 4p is closer to hardware on the turbo core

[zenith orchid]

Ah okay, I'll use the turbo core for those games. Thanks for the info

[vapid moat]

I keep wondering if there'd be a fork of the core that removes feature not necessary for Pokemon Stadium 1and 2's functioning, and uses that to add in the other mappers + RTC to make the rest work

[worn delta]

I suspect it would be pretty simple for someone with the know how to fork the core and add the other GB mappers, but have no idea about RTC. It is a shame there isn't that bit more room, or compiles were quicker and less prone to failure, to squeeze in these last few missing features. Maybe Robert will come back and look again one day after he has finished on his GBA/DS work.

[wanton sun]

logic is all available in the gb core. The issue is that timing will get worse and worse with every small change added. Also saving the RTC data from transfer pak to sdcard is a pain as it also needs mister main changes. Even worse if you want RTC for all 4 transfer pak slots.

[latent dagger]

Sounds like a very niche thing that can be approached with the next version of Mr that uses newer and better FPGA setup

[vapid moat]

How long until then...

As I had noted eons ago before, I could buy an MMC3 Flash Cart for Crystal Clear on top of SNAC, but it also requires a flashing peripheral itself to even do the flashing - all come together for about over 100€ which I find bit too much to spend on for a single romhack

If only say, there was a GBC flash cart that'd allow for a "Mode B" like in EZ Flash Omega Definitive which lets the NOR-partition to pose as a genuine single cart game, that'd bypass needing to get a separate flash cartridge and a flasher just for a single game...

[lament escarp]

They have cards now with integrated flash utility so you don't need the peripheral: Gameboy MBC3 RTC LinkNLoad USB Flash Cart (Works with Pokemon games/hacks like CC) – insideGadgets Shop https://share.google/DU57qLRdlfo5GIyVf

[vapid moat]

Is this still a thing on your end?

[mellow raft]

I'm curious too.

[amber fjord]

I have about 30 I will list soon. I’m in the US East coast. eBay user is same handle as here. I would have listed em sooner but IRL things came up and I don’t list things that I can’t commit to rapidly shipping

I drop in post box same day if able

Other wise 0700 next am

Cooking dinner atm but I’ll try to get listed tonight after kiddos bedtime

[vapid moat]

US huh, that might not be go for me then (shipping costs higher than before, geh)

[amber fjord]

Just posted: https://www.ebay.com/itm/256979500007 and the last of the really nice texturd cases: https://www.ebay.com/itm/256979494495

[blissful wolf]

The real n64 stick and pcb fit in the shitty aliexpress controllere

So having a left over parts from an 8bitdo/intec upgrade you can throw them in a 10bux shell

Buying better membranes would also be a good idea, these ones are very snappy https://handheldlegend.com/products/n64-silicone-button-pads?srsltid=AfmBOop9kgqMPhIiI5lnjv2m-xY3EQ3M6rcv6tu4gvnZuijzgDajvnps

[blissful wolf]

actually I see that store sells real OEM membranes (that cost more than the aliexpress controller did lmao)

Also the aliexpress thumbstick is the cheapest shittiest looking thing ive ever seen. Don’t tell Nintendo that they make ministicks this shitty, they might make a hardware revision to the switch 2 to put in an even worse one

[verbal urchin]

Hey everyone, I have a Tribute 64 USB wired controller here and I can’t get all the inputs to work despite configuring every button in the start menu, and then configuring the buttons on the N64 core, any help?

Specifically it’s whenever I flick the control stick up or down, it doesn’t register

Yet it does in the start and n64 core menu

[cunning fern]

You must have used the analog stick when the mapping meant using the dpad. Do it again in main and double check in the input tester core before mapping again in the core.

[verbal urchin]

Also, for animal crossing, even without the RTC added into your mister, can the game still save?

And if someone knows how to add RTC, please lmk

@cunning fern well I just toggled the “SWAP ANALOG (-) D-pad on” and that worked lol

I had the controller for a while and I honestly thought it was busted, it’s completely mapped in both cores though

[cunning fern]

That confirms what I thought. You have mapped your analog stick to Dpad. You shouldn't need to swap them for it to work correctly.

[latent dagger]

the point mike was trying to make is that you only map analog on MiSTer main, and there is no option to map analog in the core so don't touch the stick

[verbal urchin]

Ohhhhhhh

Thank you both!

[latent dagger]

I solved all my issues by just getting a real N64 controller and snac adapter

[verbal urchin]

I’d love to get a hori pad mini 64 at some point lol

[kind nimbus]

Controller mapping continues to be the hardest part of retro gaming, until the end of time

[mossy vector]

Nobody did change the text to D-Up, D-Down, etc yet.

[lament escarp]

It's the Dark Souls of retro gaming.

[lime topaz]

do you know if these work with an ancient 5.5 IO board?

[amber fjord]

I don’t think all 4 ports worked with it. I can check the schematic of the io port tomorrow to double check if no one does before then.

[desert crow]

I believe it will work. n64 doesn't use the 7th io, other systems do though

[amber fjord]

Your correct n64 only uses power and d-/+and r_/+lines for the data. It should work with all four ports on the 5.5

[lime topaz]

nice! thank you

[manic basin]

Has anyone looked into adding SD support for Mario Builder 64? #share-media message

(It wants 256MB SD mapping using SummerCart64 fat16 w/ SRAM32 savetype)

I have no idea what check it does, so it's possible the core would work with it fine as is, the ROM just needs a patch...but I'm not sure how SummerCart64 is mapped.

[wanton sun]

No, the summercart has a sdcard and allows the game to access it. We have no such interface.
Maybe it could be done with mapping a file like computer cores map a hard drive, but it seems way to much effort for this one hack.

[zinc dew]

Yeah not worth it

[worn delta]

If there were space for summer cart features, that is low on the list. 64DD up at the top.

[wanton sun]

I'd still say the best would be to just use the full summer cart code as a core next to the n64 core in a future, larger FPGA.
You get the full timing/data accuracy, additional features and automatic updates.

[mortal panther]

That would be nice...

[ivory laurel]

I’m having some issues with the 8bitdo mod kit. It’s not core related but probably someone here had the same hardware issues. Wired in D mode I can’t setup inputs on Mister. Can’t set dpad left. On bt D mode I can’t set c-up or c-left on core. On bt S mode I can set all inputs in both Mister and core but the vertical analog axis doesn’t work

[lament escarp]

Did you finish the setup in main or just exit at some point? There is some more analog stuff at the very end. Just keep doing the setup (you can skip the mouse stuff) and it'll boot you out when you finished.

[ivory laurel]

I could only finish the setup on main in S mode on bt snd even then vertical analog axis wasn’t working in core

On D mode wired or bt couldn’t finish the setup on main. Either dpad left doesn’t work or c-up and c-left don’t work

[lament escarp]

In d mode you have to map the c buttons as the second stick iirc

[ivory laurel]

Oh! That makes sense! Will try later today!

[ivory laurel]

This worked. Thank you!

[cold pollen]

RTC is not supported right?

[chilly ember]

Time will advance in the game but you have to set it up everytime you start the game so no

Also the translation is buggy and can softlock because something like too much text on screen if your pockets are full

#1096015979055697940 message

Not a MiSTer issue, happens on console too

[cold pollen]

Thanks

[latent dagger]

I have an rtc add-on with my stack but I'll never use it with AC.
I will like to use it possibly for Pokemon games, and maybe something else like Golden Sun I think uses it. But otherwise it's just an add-on that gets no use lol

[lament escarp]

Golden Sun doesn't have a RTC.

I have an RTC module but I don't even know if the battery still works as the mister just grabs the time from network.

[latent dagger]

my MiSTer isn't connected to network half the time lol

especially if I'm traveling and I take it with me

I don't have a WiFi dongle. never bothered to get one.
I just hook up the ethernet cable if I want to FTP real quick then unplug and move it back to the other systems next to it.

I'll be on the WiFi once I get my SSone though

[worn delta]

If your date and time appears immediately on the menu when you launch it, then you have your RTC enabled. If you don't then you won't see it until you get connected to the network, which takes a good few seconds.

If you have one then run the RTC script in the scripts folder to enable it. I can't think of a good reason not to.

[thorn flax]

[quick arch]

Thank you 😊

[quick arch]

Robby for the version 3.00 😅

[languid dune]

Ness already fills the fat baby quota for the game. No room left for Robby!

[lament escarp]

Who is the green haired thing in the left

[solar slate]

Marina from Mischief Makers / Yuke Yuke!! Trouble Makers

[lament escarp]

Never heard of those games. Are they popular?

[bright lotus]

it's THE N64 game made for the dpad

[lament escarp]

Though that was Pokemon Stadium.

Great postgame for pokemon gen1.

Sadly no certificate for completion, would've liked to put it in my resume together with the certificate for Pokedex completion.

[modest helm]

My boy Lanky Kong finally made it into Smash!

[languid dune]

Fake fan!

But for real. Mischief Makers is a top 5 N64 game.

[green epoch]

Easily. Is there a better 3rd party game for the n64?

[lament escarp]

Superman.

[dusty tusk]

What's currently the best flash cart?

[lament escarp]

Mister

[dusty tusk]

Second?

[glossy lake]

Also Mister

[green epoch]

You have hardware that isn’t graded by wata? What are you doing with your life?

[dusty tusk]

I really don't want to do tech support for my brother. Wanted to pick him up an N64 flash card for his birthday

[mossy vector]

The cheapest one, then. It's hard to get others to appreciate something.

[lean sable]

Summer cart 64
https://summercart64.dev/ https://a.aliexpress.com/_mN0FFlt

[dusty tusk]

That's what I was considering. Thanks

[upper pivot]

Are we taking bets on whether analogue 3D will actually ship in July this time?

[lament escarp]

Let's start small and bet whether the controller will ship.

[upper pivot]

I think they will likely delay the controllers from shipping if the console itself is not ready

Wasn’t Palmer luckey also allegedly making an N64 fpga console?

[lament escarp]

Afaik he made the chromatic and hinted at making a gba clone some point in the future.

[zinc dew]

When are you making a chromatic

[lament escarp]

Need to deal some arms first. Maybe after that.

[mossy vector]

I'm rather angry the controller is delayed. It's like they don't want money or something.

Not sure why 6 face buttons with analog stick phased out. There's always been a need.

[zinc dew]

Because they’re waiting for the console to come out first is my guess

[plush summit]

Ill give Analogue twice the money next time to show them how dissatisfied I was with the 3D

punish them with more money 😈

[mossy vector]

I understand it's waiting for the the console... But from a sales standpoint it's nonsense. Release the pressure from the initial demand of those not wanting the console, so that there isn't a shortage for those that do want it.

Logic is never welcome in sales and marketing.

[zinc dew]

The priority is likely putting their Analogue 3D prime and center. Selling controllers before their hot new product comes out is undermining it a bit.

Plus they might be expecting people to buy multiples of their controller with the console. Catering to that audience is more important than making a quick buck now.

[lament escarp]

My order for the controller hasn't been cancelled yet. I wonder when they'll do it.

[worn delta]

I think selling the controller when they don't have a shipping date for the console would just result in more angry people in the coming months shouting "I bought this controller and still don't have the console to use it on!"

Did they announce a new date for the console? I am out of the loop

[plush summit]

as of now, its still scheduled for July

and yeah, I think they're intentionally tying the controller to the console

[worn delta]

Oh, is there an expectation it will ship next month?

[plush summit]

yep

if they haven't sent any updates, then July is the expectation

[zinc dew]

I’m ok with waiting, we have lots of great N64 controller options already so we’re not desperate for something.

I’m sure their new controller will be awesome too.

[lament escarp]

Yeah, I loooove waiting and getting stuff I ordered delayed and delayed. Especially when there is nothing wrong with the controller but their shitty mister imitation I don't want.

[worn delta]

It will be interesting to see what features it all has once the inevitable jailbreak drops

[zinc dew]

Did you preorder their controller?

[lament escarp]

Ye.

[zinc dew]

oh lol

[lament escarp]

Tuesday it is.

[plush summit]

Im more excited for the controller than the console

[zinc dew]

Oh it’s Amazon, they don’t charge you until it ships

You’re FINE

[lament escarp]

I WANT IT NOW

[zinc dew]

would you accept, Tuesday?

[lament escarp]

Begrudgingly.

[mossy vector]

They didn't specify which Tuesday

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/nRHk2h9VYFF.gif

[lament escarp]

Let's cat burglar the warehouse the controllers are in. Y'all got black turtlenecks?

[mossy vector]

Is it theft if you leave exact change, including sizeable tip?

[tender pine]

People. Please. It's time again to admit the Analogue 3D will not be arriving on time. Late 2025 - early 2026 would be my guess.

[upper pivot]

Yeah… I’m worried they’re going to delay it again at the last minute

Pretty annoying. If you’re not anywhere close to being ready, then don’t take pre orders until you actually are…

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/bHne5.gif

[jolly turret]

Proof that N64 is the best!

[zinc dew]

I love the N64

[molten silo]

me: if she loves n64 so much why is she using a PS controller
Clicks tiny preview image:

[spare meadow]

Smash Remix is so good! Hope they add Astro Bot next.

https://smash64.online/remix/

[chilly ember]

I hope they add Pierce brosnan James bond

[spare meadow]

Alex Kidd in Smash Remix would be great too

[mortal panther]

That's no DualShock 4 I ever saw... 🤨 🤔

[mellow terrace]

You just havent dug deep enough on Aliexpress yet…. 😂

[zinc dew]

How do you get crash in smash remix

[lament escarp]

Crash the game.

[mortal panther]

Tilt the cart.

[blazing knot]

https://tenor.com/view/007-goldeneye-glitch-bug-gif-10015566

[cyan dome]

does anyone else like playing n64 shooters with their left thumb on the d-pad and right thumb on the analog stick? (stretching the right thumb over to the A and B buttons when those are needed)

[spare glacier]

My cousin used to hold the center of the controller with both hands and reach A/B/C with his right thumb. Thought it was weird

[cyan dome]

advanced n64 gaming

[cyan dome]

i am playing some super mario 64 like that now...

it makes your hands very warm in the very least

[languid dune]

Stop'n swap of course.

[dusty tusk]

He unlocks immediately if you have a crash 1, 2, 3, or CTR save on your memory card. Sadly bash doesn't work.

[junior pine]

James Bond 007: Breakdance

[lament escarp]

Looking forward to using this with the n64 core tomorrow. 😎

[cyan dome]

a desouled n64 pad...

[lament escarp]

@green epoch U jelly?

[green epoch]

When it says “shipped” I may be

[tender pine]

Jokes on you...

[lone geyser]

Circumsized

[blazing knot]

idk i find the trend of remaking old controllers to just be Xbox style is boring

back in my day we didn’t have this newfangled “ergonomics” or “comfort”

we got blisters from the control stick while playing mario party and we liked it damn it

[plush summit]

I mean, financially it makes the most sense

[blazing knot]

oh yeah I know

[plush summit]

I wonder how those Mini Hori pad clones feel

[blazing knot]

I’m in the minority here, I know most people vastly prefer something more normal lmao

[plush summit]

I actually prefer the OG Trident controller, modern controllers dont share the same magic

[blazing knot]

Agreed. Though if you didn’t grow up with it, i can understand. it’s an “acquired taste” 😂

[plush summit]

Those people are weird, it feels pretty damn good lol

You can't outsauce the Z Trigger feel

[cyan dome]

i hate those x-box style pads for retro systems too

only ever tried the uuuh retro fighter for dreamcast and that things awful

that n64 controller looks like it could be troublesome for the n64 games that want you to hold the controller in unconventional ways

like uuuh sin and punishment and 1.2 modes in perfect dark / goldeneye

of course some of these (like that dreamcast retro fighter or whatever its called) is really cheaply built too the sticks and plastic of that thing just feel terrible

[sullen harbor]

Retrofighters actually figured out how to make a high quality controller (the pro line, their Gamecube controller fucking slaps) but by god did it take them a while

[cyan dome]

wonderful

[mossy vector]

There's a nerve on my index finger that only the N64 trident crushes. So no nostalgia for me.

[chilly ember]

Just what i always wanted in a zelda game, court hearings!

[blissful plaza]

Overruled!

[thorn flax]

new zelda musou

Age of Lawfare

[zinc dew]

Holy shit, this rom hack is top quality. Everything about it they absolutely nailed.

Character models, animations, sound effects, music, and most importantly the writing. This is incredible.

[magic girder]

I’ve been playing through the phoenix wright trilogy recently (half way through the third game now). Will definitely check this out. Thanks!

[brisk edge]

Didn't try it out yet but according to the read me, you can even use the N64 microphone like in the DS games to shout objection and stuff.

Very cool stuff

[zenith orchid]

What interesting times, we're essentially getting new games with these hacks.

N64 certainly needs more games

[tender pine]

Well. I've just had an email from Amazon regarding the Analogue 3D controller I had on preorder. It's not delayed...it's actually been cancelled. It's now not releasing. WTF has happened with this here Analogue 3D??

[lament escarp]

Mine has been cancelled as well.

Imagine if MiSTer got cancelled.

@green epoch what about yours?

[tender pine]

Yeah luckily thanks to the amazing @wanton sun and the rest of the community we will always 🤞 have mister and N64 core.

I was just really looking forward to how Analogue would compare.

That and the controller could have been a legit other option.

[lament escarp]

I'm just not really satisfied with wireless controller options for N64. Every single on of them has at least one glaring flaw.

[tender pine]

Actually. Check your email. It's weird. Says the item is still releasing. In the link it's offered me an alternative but it's the exact same controller - that I can see anyhow. Check it out yourself.

[hushed nova]

does amazon have some auto 'this thing got delayed too much, just going to cancel it' sort of thing?

[lament escarp]

Maybe. It's available for preorder with a date of july 30th.

But I won't preorder anymore.

It's all lies.

[tender pine]

Lies, lies...all damn lies.

[little socket]

Did the price change between thr listings?

[mortal panther]

Never pay for the promise of something.

[lament escarp]

In the German shop: no.

[neat sierra]

Haha you Analogue people always say that

“THIS is the last time they get my preorder money!”

[little socket]

Indeed they do

[spare meadow]

Paprium?

[blissful plaza]

At least, Paprium exists.
EDIT 2025-07-06 : Now, you see me.

[green epoch]

Honestly, I figured the funniest outcome would be another delay. This is funnier

[spare meadow]

That’s the funniest thing about Paprium: if the game already exists, why doesn’t Fonzie deliver the game? At the very least, the digital version of it.

[blissful plaza]

He can't make it work digitally because some key members of some parts of the game are no longer there and he hasn't paid them.

Just for that part, the audio driver was done by someone outside the team, and just before delivering the final version of the game, there were extremely high tensions and threats from both sides.
The person in charge called it quit and left without explaining some parts and without the original source code (just the final compiled code).

I can't go on any further details, that's already enough.

EDIT : Sorry, I can't say anything as we were working on it behind closed doors. 😉

I was lucky enough to get a cartridge that I've been leaving at classic game conventions for a few years.

[mortal panther]

It might as well not exist.

[mossy vector]

There are many archaic credit hold rules. Some accountant timeout reached. Too bad about the controller. It could also be meddling with a "strategic realignment" to chase after switch 2 sales. Cascading into requiring reprinting the packaging and website.

[zinc dew]

Omg what are you people doing, get in that vote and don’t let the Supe/Genny/Grafx bros win!

#community-votes message

[ivory laurel]

64 votes 💪

[quick light]

Bit late to the party, but I don't think so. Im pretty sure I have a collectors edition pre ordered on Amazon US for around 7 or 8 months now. No date, no payment taken.

[mossy vector]

Laws differ by country.

Or sometimes just policies.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s why I try to preorder with them or any other vendor who only charges upon shipment. Getting billed the full amount for a product that has no firm release and they keep pushing back is not a great situation to be in.

But you could always get a refund I think so that’s nice.

[tender pine]

Give them Analogue until the end of the year - likely way longer than I should - but after that, should nothing have shipped, I'm out.

[lament escarp]

Analouge is dead. Mars is dead. MiSTer is everything. You won. Get over it.

[mossy vector]

If only mister made a gamepad 🎮

[zinc dew]

Man, us retro gamers really have like an unlimited selection of controllers

[magic girder]

We can always have more. Always!

[blazing knot]

why stop at having one controller per console when we could have a different controller for each game?

[magic girder]

Brought to you by the inventors of guitar hero

Or the Donkey Kong game with the bongos

[zinc dew]

Still sad that EA and Activision greed ran the music genre into the ground. Not once but twice.

[green epoch]

Found @lament escarp's reddit account https://www.reddit.com/r/AnalogueInc/comments/1lpzkyw/pictures_out_of_the_box_and_some_tests/

[lament escarp]

If only it was real.

[green epoch]

Thinking of you today :/.

[covert bough]

thanks man, means a lot ❤️

[chilly ember]

Oh that's awful i was excited for perfect dark

[mint shadow]

me too, that's really heartbreaking 😦

[dusty tusk]

Looks like that other rare game got cancelled too

[raw oriole]

Big hugs from the UK too, and to anyone else in the same boat 😦 Good luck with everything job-related Oliver, sad we'll never get to see all your work

[dusty tusk]

Microsoft just had a major hiring surge actually. Looks like they're doing a full blown replacement of staff.
https://h1bgrader.com/h1b-sponsors/microsoft-corporation-ew2x79yyk3/lca/2025

[quick arch]

The Patchmaker's Workshop gets a new update
Version 1.1 has been released.
This update adds a new reward for obtaining all 120 stars that can be found in the first hub.
Additionally, this update features a newgame+ mode that is unlocked when beating the game.
(Many bugfixes and tweaks have been made as well)

[covert bough]

thanks guys, I really appreciate this community

[bright lotus]

Please, hang in there
That project did NOT deserve it and unlike a lot of the more cynical hardasses among PD fans I liked a lot about that gameplay reveal

[kind nimbus]

Really shocked at the PD news, sorry Oliver.

These corporate designs are so cruel, hoping you land an even better project in no time.

[languid dune]

Damn, sorry to hear about the PD news Oliver. Sending virtual hugs your way. 🫂

[compact depot]

As Taber would say: “This fucking thing has been fucking cancelled!”

[plush summit]

Couldn't afford a symphony, had to settle with a Mariachi Band

[rich warren]

Just take what you can and rename it Timesplitters 4. But seriously, this sucks. New PD looked great.

[dusty tusk]

Man I'm not sure I even want a time splitters 4 with the current state of the industry

[zinc dew]

I’m really sorry dude. 😢

[dusty tusk]

It would be toned down and full of micro transactions because no way a modern publisher would give 100s of characters away for free

It would be funny if some of pd staff moved to work on a new time splitters

[rich warren]

Well Embracer shuttered Free Radical last year. But then again Playtonic did some layoffs too, so it's hard going indie with pedigree. Just tough all around. I do feel that Game Pass is cannibalistic. Doom The Dark Ages and Indiana Jones supposedly sold less than a million each.

But were played by millions on Game Pass.

[bright lotus]

There was a cancelled TimeSplitters game recently

I don't mourn it

Because it literally stinted itself to be a Fortnite knockoff

This industry sucks

[dusty tusk]

Yeah it's just a crappy time for AAA

[raw oriole]

It’s kinda collapsing in on itself now. Which would be fine except for the job losses 😦

[zinc dew]

Publishers and executives need to stop making creative decisions

[dusty tusk]

It's just very bloated and risk averse. Most games shouldn't take 5+ years to develop.

I foresee a rose in AA

[little socket]

Creatives should go indie and waste their own money!

[cyan dome]

Creatives should go to large publishers and waste their own 7 years of their life on billion dollar games that don't come out!

[raw oriole]

That trick never works

[covert bough]

Perfect dark was really a cool project to work on. I learned so much and made a lot of great industry connections. Hoping to find a new project soon but yeah the industry is a mess right now. We dodged layoffs from msft for a while too

[solar slate]

When I worked on Perfect Dark, the Industry looked very bright. What went wrong?

[zinc dew]

Omg I love you guys, perfect dark is so good

[sullen harbor]

I have my own theory it was a mix of corporate greed pushing live service, fidelity chasing bloating budgets and lack of string internal direction mixed with corporate meddling causing frequent development restarts, and indie publishers killing mid budget games because everyone wants to chase after the next megahit made for pennies

This is roughly analogous to what is killing movies

[green epoch]

Number was threatening to go down. Can’t have that

[plush summit]

Everything comes back to Labor 😈

[sullen harbor]

Funny enough these layoffs are exactly that. Microsoft corporate wasted almost all their net income, 28 billion, on ai, 24 billion, and only made 10 billion because the companies they invested bought stuff like azure.
They got scammed, obliterated their line go up and now and are doing heavy cuts to sectors of their Corp they feel are safe so they can shell game the money save on salaries to list as profits to shareholders

This is just Adella covering up the fact he has been conned

[little socket]

A ceo would never do such a thing 😐

[sullen harbor]

AI is a cancer. CEOs keep pushing it because they literally want it to replace all workers. Ultimate savings as profits, if you have no workers all money goes to you. But since it can never actually do what the silicon valley con artists claim, it just becomes a black hole that will destroy industries

[covert bough]

I wish I was working in games back in 2000 lol

[plush summit]

Sucks to hear, but its the main reason I got out of the games industry

[dusty tusk]

I use AI for research and the occasional suggestion. I find it writes buggy code if there's any complexity involved

[sullen harbor]

The amount of hallucinations its prone to makes it useless for any actual research @dusty tusk

[dusty tusk]

I've been using it for book recommendations and it's pretty good although I've had to tell it to make sure it can find the book digitally online or it gives me a ton of fake books.

It's even worse when looking for game recommendations, it'll make up games that sound really cool but don't exist 🥲

But yes, AI is over hyped when it's ultimately a glorified search engine

[cyan dome]

i like to google "BOok recommendations [genre]" and it seems to work really well and it doesnt make up books either

[dusty tusk]

Got a list of highly rated historical fiction sorted by time period. Pretty sweet

[little socket]

Ai told me that umk3 runs on midway zn3@60Hz.

😑

[worn delta]

Wow, which AI is that?

I am surprised it has got that info from somewhere

It is a lot more accurate than the crap responses chatGPT was giving even six months back when people asked things about MiSTer

[dusty tusk]

It's grok. The only one I use for this sort of thing.

I've never particularly liked chat gpt's answers

[green epoch]

suprised it didn't bring up south africa

[dusty tusk]

Elon is a knob but he hires talented people

Also asked it when the future PS2 core is coming it out. It told me it's not happening until boards priced at $20,000-60,000 go down in price.

[worn delta]

I wonder where it is cribbing this info from, the forum maybe? Or here even?

[sullen harbor]

Oh wow who needs to spend 5 minutes doing anything when I can use a machine to do it all for me

[worn delta]

Ah, I tried it with a GX4000 core and it gave a decent update, and you can see at the bottom the sources which were mostly from the MiSTer forum and GitHub

So yeah, it is getting info from the forum primarily

[magic girder]

I asked it about the SuperSega and it got it mixed up with an Analogue product 😅

[dusty tusk]

Mien scraped reddit and the forums

I didn't even know we had a reddit

[magic girder]

It’s a cesspool. You’re better off not knowing about it

[sullen harbor]

Yeah and instead of wasting you time and money you could ask a real person

[dusty tusk]

Man remember when reddit was helpful and not 150 people immediately cracking jokes for up votes?

[sullen harbor]

Not to mention offsetting the measured decay in cognition that comes from using llms

[raw oriole]

… no

[sullen harbor]

(This is not a shitpost btw. It has major effects on decision making skills and a new form of ai psychosis has emerged where people think they literally met or are god because of ai

[magic girder]

I don’t think it’s been around long enough for that to be a reliable result

Source: me asking ChatGippity

[dusty tusk]

I definitely think it needs to be continued to be banned in schools.

For the same reason they didn't let us use programmable calculators

[magic girder]

Banned how? I generally wasn’t allowed to use calculators when I was learning arithmetic, but it was fine later on

Just because you can cut yourself with a knife doesn’t mean you should never use one

[dusty tusk]

Our school was very strict with people cheating by having programs stored on their calculator to quickly do some problems

[raw oriole]

Calculators that could store programs had to be reset to factory before use in exams, in the 1980s

[magic girder]

Same here (2000s)

[raw oriole]

Jolly sensible too: Well, inasmuch as exams are a pretty terrible test of anything.

[magic girder]

But I do think we should be teaching kids both the fundamentals, and to live in the real world

[raw oriole]

I was lucky to be quite good at them but plenty of similarly bright folks I knew weren’t

[dusty tusk]

I personally think schools should be graded retroactively by average income subtracted by incarcerations of students

[magic girder]

Average income isn’t a good measure of how good a school is

Academia pays terribly, but I’d argue that’s the purest distillation of being good at school 😅

(Depends if you think the job of a school is to produce people who earn good money, or people who succeed in other ways)

[dusty tusk]

The job of schools is to produce money for middle management

[mossy vector]

My math teachers pretended to reset my calculator because they knew I didn't have to cheat. It was to my detriment and progression to have to reload everything.

They also knew I'd keep quiet about it then. The whole "that's not faiiiir" whining sessions and attempted bullying.

[raw oriole]

I had that in my physics class. Good teacher that dude.

[mossy vector]

I celebrate the good teachers who valued learning and discovery, and going down rabbit holes. As such, the then new big scary internet wasn't banned just because one could look up the answer.

Did it make teaching harder? In some ways, probably.

[mossy vector]

Due to limited time and resources, I don't think teachers and professors should have to debug AI models instead of proof-reading what comes out of students' brains. And I don't think the users of the internet at large should have to debunk the hallucinated nonsense that AI produces until it becomes imperceptibly human-like.

[dusty tusk]

But what if we just made teachers ai

[cyan dome]

chat gpt says: very cheap and good no problems 👍

[mossy vector]

That sounds great. Have your ai agents submit a proposal to my ai screening agents. Then I will reply with a standardized ai generated response.

[dusty tusk]

I can't wait for AI customers so I can make free money selling them ai goods

[twin barn]

it basically got them from robert's tweets

[worn delta]

Nice thing about Grok is at the bottom it shows you all the links it used, seems it makes heavy use of the forum

[twin barn]

yeah it just feeds off whatever it can crawl

[mortal panther]

That's what I like about watching Deep Research do its thing. It provides numerous sources for all of the information it provides.

[zenith orchid]

So umm, who else tried the Link Ace Attorney hack? I'm about to download it. Hopefully it doesn't need a patch or to be manually configured to run properly.

[languid dune]

It works fine on the core in my brief testing of it.

[zenith orchid]

Sweet! I remember with the core there are various configurations for each game, which is why we use a database thingie. I wasn't sure if that complicates things when a brand new rom hack comes out that isn't in the database

[zinc dew]

I look up the MD5 hash and use ares to see what CIC, save, and accessories it uses and out that in my user database file

[magic girder]

That’s quite a Linux King kinda thing to do

[tropic coral]

Do you think Dual RAM will give all Nintendo 64 games the capability to be rendered in 480p?

[languid dune]

I would assume no? Since the core isn't a software emulator, I would think that the games would need to be patched/hacked to convert them to 480p output.

[thorn flax]

honestly, that’s a pretty good troll

applying a lighting bolt directly to the de-10 results in a 960p image but the lag will naturally double

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I’m a little sad I didn’t think of it first lol

[rose crypt]

okay I've been out the game for a hot minute. are games like conker/banjo tooie working without any patches these days?

seems like yes since "patch games" is now a core option

[zinc dew]

Auto patches for you.

Well the very few games that need it. I forget but it’s like a small handful.

[rose crypt]

fantastic

[upper pivot]

With the patching does the core now have 100% compat?

[wanton sun]

some games might not be enjoyable, e.g. the madden games with polygon explosions, but in general most games should be fine

[upper pivot]

Polygon explosions sounds exciting

[junior pine]

I was thinking the same. I mostly hate football (mostly because I don't like certain culture in general), but seeing the players explode would make me want to play the games 😄

[weary perch]

everything boots on the core, but as mentioned a few games still have issues. notably, DDR Disney Mix is kinda unplayable due to timing issues (a/v desync). Waialae Country Club saving is broken. Rayman 2 randomly crashes (relatively rarely) and attempts to patch that one didn't work. 2 Madden games (2000/2001) have the aforementioned vertex explosion issues. Iggy's Reckin' Balls and Wonder Project J2 have reproducible crashes, but both can be worked around with Turbo mode (or playing PAL re: Iggy's).

[green epoch]

@zinc dew This would look good pinned

[zinc dew]

[mortal panther]

I see what you did there. 😏

Well, it was his fault for not being more specific. 😄

[zinc dew]

Dude thanks for posting. I forgot where I pulled that BS and wanted to actually pin the real thing lol.

[green epoch]

I don’t read the pins so I missed the joke

[zinc dew]

I pinned your request to pin the other comment, it wasn’t that funny tbh lol

[green epoch]

I asked you to pin it before I checked if there was a similar pin so there :p

[zinc dew]

haha

Thank you for pinging me, I try my best to keep those updated and helpful.

[green epoch]

should we fix this or just make it so it makes farting noises every time it happens

[upper pivot]

Is it known what causes the vertex explosion issues? RDP bug?

[mossy vector]

RDP just draws one triangle at a time when commanded. RSP is what handles the display lists.

[rich warren]

Monster Truck Madness 64 still has slightly messed up text too

[weary perch]

here's a more exhaustive list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?usp=sharing

[green epoch]

thiiiis might be beter to pin @zinc dew

[zenith orchid]

Is there any reason not to be use turbo? Other than inauthentic frame rate improvements?

[vapid hawk]

its kind of the wild west, like its not tested so thoroughly as the main one

[mossy vector]

The clock ratio between main CPU and RCP remains the same, so games generally will behave well at the higher clock speed.

[wanton sun]

👀

[languid dune]

What is happening!?

[wanton sun]

I have no idea. Paul always comes out of nowhere and adds fixes or new features

Right now there is no change yet

[green epoch]

The hero madden deserves?

[languid dune]

Could we finally have no more exploding players!?

[hushed nova]

or savestates!

[green epoch]

I guess SNES, MegaCD and Saturn weren’t taking up enough of his time

[lament escarp]

RTC for animal forest?!

[wanton sun]

The way Paul did savestates for SNES was actually how I planned to also do it for the n64 core. It consumes near to zero ressources. But it's a ton of software work and endless edge cases...

[junior pine]

Noooooo!!! I want my exploding american citizens!!

[spare meadow]

Rayman 2 fix?

[mortal panther]

Paul: "No, no, no... this will not do. This core is all wrong. Give me a few days on this one..." 😏 🤣

[green epoch]

1 save state before christmas

[worn delta]

Maybe he is looking at 64DD 🙂

(disclaimer: this is first I am hearing of this, I have no inside track on what he is doing)

[worn delta]

Maybe he just really wants to add Randnet keyboard support...

[upper pivot]

How did he do it?

[blissful plaza]

Catching interrupts.

[gilded whale]

I’m hoping for a n64 polygonal solid snake that looks kinda like mgs1

[modest helm]

Joanna Dark needs some love after the recent news. Put her in Smash Remix!

[covert bough]

There was a YouTube proof of concept for James Bond in smash 64 that was based on snake, but you could easily do a costume swap for JD

[upper pivot]

So it patches each game and hooks the interrupt to save the current state if a certain button combo is detected?

[wanton sun]

There is no need for patching games, you can just trigger the CPU to run some small program sitting in some small ROM that saves all important states, then continue normal execution

[upper pivot]

Oh that’s clever, since you have control of the hardware itself. Why are there a ton of edge cases?

Figuring out what is important to save for each game?

[languid dune]

If only we could get save states for the Mega Drive or Genesis cores. There are so many Genesis games that have no save or password functions.

[dusty tusk]

Luckily there are quite a few sram patches out there.

[twin barn]

usually restoring from the state without errors/bugs can be tricky, especially for sound effects and music.

[wanton sun]

the CPU cannot read all internal state. Also you must be sure to disengage the savestate mode at the exact same time you stepped into it and make sure that taking a savestate does not modify game state

e.g. by overwriting CPU caches due to the "savestate handler"

[upper pivot]

Can you make some special “secret” instructions on the CPU that let you access the remainder of the internal state that is not normally accessible?

[wanton sun]

There can just be some statemachine for the other states like the other cores with savestate have. So some kind of hybrid concept.
However, the FPGA is just too full. On a new board it would be my very first task to do savestates.

[atomic stratus]

definitely holding out hope for that one day