#Nintendo 64

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worn delta
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Doshin The Giant fully done?

solar slate
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I dont think so because this game is available on gamecube

worn delta
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The plus side there is all the translation is already done

weary beacon
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not finished unfortunately, only the menus i think. but there is the european gamecube version as stated above

worn delta
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F-Zero we expansion could be very cool

weary beacon
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indeed. the cartridge conversion works on the mister core, but custom courses and vehicles can't be saved

chrome quest
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It's a shame the Animal Crossing English translation is bugged. Or was at least. I wonder is anyone still working on that patch. Guess not

weary beacon
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there's still a large handful of japan-exclusive n64 titles that definitely deserve english patches

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bangai-o and neon genesis evangelion come to mind

spare meadow
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I think now that 3DO is in the horizon, the only 2 things missing on Mister of that generation are a 64DD and a VirtualBoy core

weary beacon
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PC-FX pleadmommy

marble cargo
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Apple Pippin derpweow

worn delta
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There are a few more obscure things like Casio Loopy, Super A'Can, Bandai Playdia, but those are big effort low reward, so may never see those.

mellow raft
weary beacon
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i think the first version has a translation? but not the superior v2, for some reason

mellow raft
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Ah

weary beacon
solar slate
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Regarding DD support for the N64 Core. If it is possible, it should be done. The library is very small and to begin with all is japanese only, that is true. However, in the last 10 years a lot was done. The whole Mario Artist series has been translated. FzeroX + Editor was translated, Dezaemon 3D is now translated which is big itself considering the mass of text. A translation for SimCity 64 was started at one point but so far there is not much. Having this game on Mister available could bring more people to the table and maybe a translation will popup too. Regarding the Aleck64 games, if it is really just about another CIC maybe this should be considered too. Several Aleck Games got a Translation by Zoinkity aswell. Some games are fun. I have them in any case on my ED X7

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Also I have to say a big Thank you very much for that N64 core and for the Mister. Incredible little device and core!

worn delta
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I think Aleck64 is as simple as adding the CIC chip into the core, and then someone doing what Zakk did for S-TV and making MRA files for the games. I have no idea how much space the CIC chip would take up etc. though

worn delta
hushed nova
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I can boot aleck64 mame roms in the core by replacing the pif and setting the CIC type to 5101

solar slate
hushed nova
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it would need more work though, they have dip switches/coin/service/etc

solar slate
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to play it on the n64 these pathces should do it

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these patches take care about controls and dipswitches

worn delta
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Could support be added without even touching the core?

hushed nova
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no, it has to be aware of dip switches (and how those are implemented on teh actual hardware investigated) along with service/coin/test

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example: 11beat boots to a system test that I'm not even sure how to escape. probably set via dip switch or something

worn delta
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Ah, got you

solar slate
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I just checked, all the Aleck64 games work on the mister with the patches by Zoinkity. All controls are mapped to a N64 controller.

worn delta
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Yeah the pre-patched versions work, but raw dumps do not

solar slate
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no they do not. It would be nice to have real aleck functionaity on the mister but given that the games can be played very fine with the patches, maybe this is not that important. If I could choose I would rather go for DD stuff 🙂

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One thing to add, the patches are all made by Zoinkity. This guy knows exactly what he is doing. You can always expect 99-100% working patches.

weary perch
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Zoinkity is incredible. I really want to try the Japan Pro Golf Tour 64 DLC thing he developed but I haven't fully wrapped my head around it just yet 😄

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Seems doable on SummerCart

solar slate
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yeah that thing is crazy too

weary perch
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wonder how much work those conversions were

solar slate
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not sure but there is usually always at least a year between his patches

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I worked in game localisation. The work he is doing alone is incredible

weary perch
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just thinking about like... so he's extracting course data from the PSX Eikou no St. Andrews and then modifying stuff to replace objects with equivalents... seems like some herculean amount of effort for this random golf game, but it's also absolutely glorious

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the work he did on Densha de Go! 64 is also miraculous

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voice support is utterly bonkers

solar slate
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yeah thats cool too

weary perch
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just a real wizard, that one 🙂

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was very happy when he released his Wave Race 64 Shindou Edition English patch

solar slate
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there is?

weary perch
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it's quite playable without it, we've been speedrunning on it for years beforehand, but his work always feels so polished

solar slate
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damn

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oh yeah btw, the rumble with the mister is very cool! I never tried that with any emulation and suddenly my pad started to rumble on the mister 😄

weary perch
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the real rumble pack is just too heavy!! messes up the weight distribution on an OEM pad so badly

solar slate
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it is heavy but when playing perfect dark inserting it feels like a magazine of ammo 😄

weary perch
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reminds me that goldeneye was supposed to have reload mapped to "remove and re-insert rumble pak" lmao

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i have a suspicion nintendo originally designed the rumble pak to sip power from the console so it didn't need batteries, but there wasn't enough juice for all 4 at once so they ended up going with batteries... but possibly not rebalancing it/re-designing it for better weight distribution as much as they should have

uneven prawn
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does the 80MHz N64 core work over component video? im getting a black screen

worn delta
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I don't like using the N64 pad without rubble pack, feels too light after years of being used to it

solar slate
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hehehe yeah I know the feeling

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we had the rumble pak always inserted in the office during testing

weary palm
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Tape a few AAs to the back of your hands.

topaz otter
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Sounds like the average doom 64 playthrough

topaz otter
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And it was considered a micro motor in the 90s because I did a science fair at school with motors from the 80s

weary palm
bright lotus
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Are there good third party Rumble Paks I can check out?

worn delta
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In my experience back in the day third party rumble packs were rubbish, and very noisy. Strongly advise getting an official one, which are (or certainly were last I checked) cheap

topaz otter
bright lotus
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Three more eneloops...

topaz otter
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but the tremorpacks gimmick is that it has the motor built in and you can put the memory card in it and switch between the two with a switch

bright lotus
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I'll consider it, thanks

topaz otter
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in my experience it corrupts the memory card

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and the rumble on low doesn't work

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your mileage may vary, just buy the official one and put the memory card in the second controller

bright lotus
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That doesn't work in practice, I tried

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Most games really want you to keep switching on controller port 1

topaz otter
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weird I could have sworn it worked with battletanx

weary palm
vapid hawk
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there is someone making nice mempaks these days

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bit more reliable than the old ones, uses fram

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https://4layertech.com/products/forever-pak-64

4Layer Technologies
Forever Pak 64

The Problem Original, official N64 controller paks store their save files on battery-backed SRAM chips. These volatile chips only store data when they are supplied power, which is supplied by the battery. But once the battery dies, so does your data stored on the chip it was powering. This means every controller pak, a

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way more colors than oem too

mellow raft
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They've been around for a while as a popular fram mod. These seem to just have a fancier replacement shell I suppose.

mellow raft
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The first eBay listing gives more details:

Screenshot_20250319-015634.png
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But yeah the first one is $25 for a yellowed shell, or $30 for a clean oem shell (both free shipping to US). $35 +$4 shipping for the Forever Pak. Eh. I guess pay what you want 😛

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Still forever pak seems to be fully new PCB so... There is that.

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I can't see anything going wrong with the fram modded paks though once they've been modded properly... No battery and I would expect they'd just continue working.

latent dagger
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That fram is definitely an option if you want to save some money

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I wonder if the seller would also sell just the chip without the shell for someone with an existing pak they want to upgrade for another $5 off

vapid hawk
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yeah afaik only the forever paks are completely new design/pcb vs others who modify oem packs

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and yeah if you want to source the chip somewhere it's not a terribly hard mod to do yourself

solar slate
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I am wondering what the MiSTer N64 Core is doing differently that the Nintendo Controller Checker Rom does not even recognize the Controller despite the fact that the controller is there and works. In this case a WiiMote with Controller but it is the same with any other controller. Since I do not own a NSO N64 Controller or any USB N64 controller clone, I have no idea how this is performing.

vapid hawk
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is that like nintendos official tool? i've never seen that one

candid panther
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Tis indeed

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With the massive proto analog stick

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I've got it in my random junk folder along with a load of other Nintendo test roms

raw oriole
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Wonder if it switches the real pad into a special config mode? That may work on a SNAC but not usb

candid panther
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I might give it a go in a bit actually

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I have a wiimote and snac

solar slate
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On my ED X7 I always used that Nintendo Controller Checker Rom to verify my controllers.

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it is quite helpful

weary palm
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I don't think that tool is working properly for me either. But who cares?

primal coral
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The test core link doesn’t work. Is it merged in the release now?

weary palm
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Yes.

zinc dew
primal coral
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Thanks guys! 😊

magic girder
neat sierra
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Why is he still working? Maybe like the red stapler guy in office space I suppose

solar slate
weary palm
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Does it even work on real hardware

solar slate
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Sorry missread, Yes it does 🙂

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I used this tool to test Controller myself

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It works in any case with the ED X7. I have no other Flashcards

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but it should work on SC

magic girder
weary palm
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The initialization fails without a real N64 controller, for some reason.

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Also, the ranges are like 0-70 for the cardinal directions and 0-50 for the diagonals for that prototype controller..😅

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We use 85 and 69 (nice) as a baseline when converting USB to N64.

solar slate
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could somebody please verify this? Thanks 🙂

chrome quest
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That's an odd one. Did you confirm all the core graphic settings were on standard defaults?

solar slate
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Okay, this Stream was about the redub patch. I just have tested that with the original rom and there the bomb is there

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that means that is the fault of that hack

zinc dew
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MiSTer cores win again!

Also as a reminder for those new to here - #1096015979055697940 message

zinc dew
magic girder
bright lotus
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I still see worse frame times when there's a dip in Goldeneye and Perfect Dark but regular non-turbo core is already impressive enough

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and still way more manageable than modding my actual N64 with HDMI or RGB

bright lotus
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Is there a graph I can use to determine frame time in a video editor?

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I know there's stuff that hooks up to HDMI signal but that's not accessible to my HDMI-less actual n64

topaz otter
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i know that goemon is a ninja but whats mystical about him

latent dagger
topaz otter
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I made the mistake of reading the wikipedia list of goemon games

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its long

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most of the japanese games have titles that are 7 to 8 words in length

inland kindle
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Thank you for checking, that is the same one. Maybe my source rom is not exactly correct… I will try another. are you able to share the md5 of your patched ROM?

latent dagger
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as long as you have a BigEndian No-Intro rom you should be fine on that front.

green epoch
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Core should be endian agnostic now. I seem remember Robert saying that

latent dagger
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the only two dump resources I am willing to trust is BigEndian first followed by ByteSwapped

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anything else is subject to not being able to trust that it's a proper dump

topaz otter
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oh I see you were talking about goldeneye

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i have that one also

inland kindle
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So I wanted to check my patched Goldeneye X md5 against a known working copy

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I will take a look for a BigEndian NoIntro Perfect Dark 1.1 ROM and patch that to see if it fixes it

native monolith
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I just finished up Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon myself, although on real hardware and not the MiSTer. Really solid game, especially when you consider it came out a year before Ocarina of Time. It seems to run a little better on MiSTer, but I've not put extensive time in there.

zinc dew
neat sierra
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When you only have 10 turds to choose from guess you pick the ones with the least corn

tidal zenith
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or the most, if corn is your thing

worn delta
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My favourite role playing game on the N64 is Goldeneye, because I like to role play that I am James Bond.

zinc dew
zenith orchid
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I get that this is an old message and had been addressed a while back. but it reminds me of how little FPGA is understood, and how often people act like they know what they're talking about when they don't. I'm trying to imagine how it would even look like if a core were hybrid software emulation and FPGA on a De10 nano.

latent dagger
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probably people assuming in their brains that there's some part of it that's FPGA and another part that's like normal CPU architecture, and some stuff is handled with FPGA while other stuff is software emulated not understanding that it doesn't really work like that

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while it actually techincally does, it doesn't work like the way they assume it does

lament escarp
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I don't understand it as well, but I learned to scream "no emulation" and just play the games. And to be fair, I've had issues with every software emulator I tried. Not with the core. Just works and works perfectly.

zinc dew
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It’s people grasping at straws to make themselves feel better over not owning a MiSTer

lament escarp
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You're not supposed to feel better about that!

iron dove
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i clipped straight through walls in the first SP level and died, didnt test it much after that

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But it loads 🙂

zenith orchid
pale granite
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it was tried for Amiga (see the forums) but apparently it didn't give any major speed advantages, at least nothing useful

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there will alwyas be some person splitting hairs... if I'm not mistaken the n64 core has some hardware emulation parts (i.e. not a chip-by-chip replica of the hardware) and some people will take that to mean "its emulation"

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and then some other people will come up and say it's all emulation unless you run the exact console that came out of Nintendo's ovens in the 90s

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it just never ends...🤣

magic girder
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MiSTer is life! elmorise

weary palm
magic girder
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And Nintendo say it’s illegal

weary palm
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Who made Analogue into an authority? 😂

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I could not care less about their stance.

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I hate elitism. There's no "right way" of playing games.
If you're having a good time on your raspberry pi there's no shame in that!
Analogue are such poopyheads when they use statements like "No Emulation". Read a dictionary.

lament escarp
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I tried, stopped at B.

weary palm
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I help.

lament escarp
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So all the famiclones are also emulation?

weary palm
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In a way.

lament escarp
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So yes. According to definition.

pale granite
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its emulation all the way down 😅

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the main issue is the term itself being vague

and commercial emulators often running on "meh good enuff" underpowered hardware

lament escarp
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My mini snes was one of the worst things to play snes games on until it exploded. 😅

pale granite
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I tried a fake chinese version of that (advertised as identical to the real one) and it was even worse

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Ive been spoiled by FPGA cores though. The PCE mini is well done, and has a really nice menu, but the games feel wrong compared to the hardware replicas

latent dagger
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from my understanding the majority of systems in China that play NES or even SNES games are single SoC style which is why they work but not perfectly and have some issues with compatibility

lament escarp
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I think the main advantage of mister is it being open source, so a lot of people chime in to keep accuracy high. And someone will always call out even small discrepancies.

weary palm
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I like turtles. 🧟‍♂️
All the way down.
FPGA is fucking awesome.

lament escarp
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It's also playing awesome.

weary palm
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Yes, it's even better at that!

magic girder
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I like MiSTer

weary palm
weary palm
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Or sixtyfour.

zinc dew
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And that’s a perfectly viable perspective, honestly. Can’t fault ‘em for not wanting to spend money on hardware to emulate when they already have the hardware the emulate.

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Just depends on a person’s priorities and passion for the hobby.

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Some people aren’t that super passionate about it, casually enjoy it, and think buying specialty hardware to play super Mario bros is very silly. From their perspective they’re correct because they don’t share the same priorities and passion as I do.

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Some people are just as passionate as I am and also think buying specialty hardware is silly. But they don’t prioritize the convenience and performance that MiSTer offers that I do and that’s fine too.

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But I do think it’s a problem when they or us turn our own perspectives into a blanket truth and look down on others for not sharing our same values.

lament escarp
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That still doesn't make the n64 core a hybrid between software and hardware emulation. Which is how this whole discussion started.

zinc dew
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“Oh that thing other people like that I don’t have and have FOMO about can’t be good because of X, Y, or Z.”

lament escarp
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It still boggles my mind how good mister is on everything

zinc dew
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“Or other people like and I don’t agree with”

zinc dew
lament escarp
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I can see how people are sceptical. I was too. That's why we need to spread the good news.

zinc dew
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The allure of MiSTer to me was being a superior form of the mini consoles

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That’s genuinely the sole reason that made me want to buy it,

lament escarp
zinc dew
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Give them a taste, a breadcrumb trail, to accept it.

weary palm
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I'm happy my programming "skills" have been of use for the MiSTer project. The first thing I did was to add custom fonts to Main. I converted a whole bunch of existing 8×8 ones into a unified format. Over 200 of them, if I remember correctly. 🤭 T'was fun. Had to write a bunch of custom tools.

Two of my hobbies in one small box. Retro gaming and programming.

zinc dew
weary palm
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shucks You're not that bad yourself. Thank you.

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Small comments like that makes it all worthwhile. 🥲

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I wish I had your guns. Pew pew!

zinc dew
lament escarp
weary palm
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Yeah. I love the N64 so I've put down a lot of work into the software side.

iron wren
lament escarp
weary palm
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Being able to share save files between the GB and N64 is sweet. 🙂

bright lotus
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I wanna have an exact quote from Analogue about "emulation bad" because that's a really big ballsy gall to call when their business is emulation hardware

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-# And releasing firmware jailbreaks to run way more games than designed

zinc dew
lament escarp
onyx minnow
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i've got a supernt and it only does snes, and looks like thats all it will ever do

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srg320 did awesome work on the sd2snes cart firmware to give superfx support 🙂

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it's a little sad that the superfx functionality wont ever be in supernt

weary palm
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But the jailbreaks are by Sirvtek, definitely not Kevtris. Delivered by SmokeMonster. Or I don't know. I don't own one of those spiffy non-emulation emulators by Ænalougué

onyx minnow
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i'm pretty sure the jailbreaks are from kevtris, but for legal reasons, and smart reasons his name isn't on them 🙂

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the cores are all encrypted for analogue

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without source it's extremely unlikely anyone else could jailbreak them

dry oak
onyx minnow
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yep it was the first time i became aware of his work, it was well before mister

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to be honest when sd2snes came out with a fpga in it i didn't actually think anyone would implement anything on it

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turns out i was wrong and srg320 implemented superfx support for free on someone elses commercial cart heh

grizzled stratus
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That was RedGuy, of which very little is known (AFAIK)

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But he's not srg320

weary palm
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I see a Red Shyguy. Coincidence?

topaz otter
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some experts they turned out to be

lament escarp
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According to that logic mars is also bad.

bright lotus
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How dare you bring reason to shit slinging!

green epoch
hushed nova
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it wasn't

green epoch
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party pooper

lilac portal
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It's been awhile...are mister n64 core patches still needed for certain games to run? Thanks!

green epoch
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Nope. The core auto patches

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Just make sure you have the last core and db

onyx minnow
restive bloom
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(honestly having a goof here, but the more I look into analogue the more Apple-like they look - and not all for the best of reasons)

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I've always thought the Pocket looked cool, but especially for a portable I couldn't justify needing to have carts for multiple systems/deal with jailbreaks when a good Retroid Pocket 4 plays more and off SD cards from the get, with the best d-pad I've ever touched... even if that means dealing with the at-times noticeable Android input lag. Gweh.

No comment on their consoles though. Mister Pi is definitely a better value (for the cost of setup and tinkering and MiSTer weirdness) but nowhere near as readily available unfortunately.

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MPi really has changed the whole game on these consoles, hasn't it?

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Like compared to that weird RetroN TurboGrafx console thingy I've seen lately, it's really quite baffling how someone could consider that when (assuming it's AVAILABLE) a Mister Pi is like, ten dollars more even for the bare board? And sure it doesn't come with a controller out-of-the-box, and if you want more than one controller at a time/more accurate timings you'd be better off paying the extra for the bundle. BUT EVEN THEN, the value proposition would be more than just the PC Engine...

zinc dew
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I think the affordability of the clones has made MiSTer an option now for a lot of people.

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So that’s definitely helped improve word of mouth recommendations.

zinc dew
latent dagger
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also the analogue stuff supports your physical cartridges

zinc dew
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I mean I completely agree with you, but this is still a very niche market that’s for the hardcore of the hardcore.

latent dagger
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even if it's just dumping it to internal memory there's still that support for just physically taking the game and plugging it in

restive bloom
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I would argue that Hyperkin puts themselves in a weird place, because it's clearly tailored towards people willing to use physical cartridges.
But then they have graphical anomalies, compatibility issues, and pretty noticeably bad audio lag.
Like I totally agree that they're supposed to be for casual use, but then how many casuals are willing to have a library of cartridges/cards? And those that do, wouldn't they notice the problems?

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Now Analogue, again, couldn't speak - though it looks like most of their damn consoles aren't even for sale anymore? lol

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Perhaps it really is worth it for purists.

zinc dew
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The problem with Hyperkin, to your point, is that their lack of quality has started to become common knowledge.

latent dagger
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hyperkin is clone hardware of original hardware I believe, which has it's issues, and is further done using a single SoC which further reduces compatibility and introduces issues, but is cheap asf to make in china.

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that's for stuff like NES and SNES though

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I don't konw of any N64 clone systems

restive bloom
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Whatever SoC Hyperkin uses looks sub-Pi 3 at this point. That, or their software engineering is really lacking.

latent dagger
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when I say SoC I'm not talking modern x86/x64 stuff.
I'm talking clone chips that are "mostly the same" as original chips, but then shrunk down and all smashed together into a single chip.

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it's not software emulation when it comes to clone consoles like that

restive bloom
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Maybe for NES or Genesnes, but usually a clone of any other console I kind of assume it's an ARM package running emulation.

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But maybe the Mini consoles have conditioned me to that line of thinking 🤷‍♀️

latent dagger
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only systems that are designed to run multiple console's games and use micro sd cards, those are just running emulators sure.
but stuff that is built to be like an NES with a cartridge slot on it and whatnot, those are clones.

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99% of the time

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like the RetroN system I believe uses clone hardware

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yeah, just looked into, it's Nintendo and Sega on a chip

restive bloom
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The RetroN 3 (and earlier) waaaaay back when was clone hardware, yeah.
But I know at least starting with the RetroN 5, and I'm 95% convinced with the GX I mentioned, those are emulation - they rely on ROM dumping and have some traits of bad software emu.

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I haven't legit seen that many hardware clones lately tbh (that aren't themselves FPGA)...

latent dagger
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I'll have to look at the Retron5 real quick. don't see it on their website

restive bloom
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Retron 5 was like almost a decade ago tbf

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That was the last I'd heard.

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was literally an Android box with a frontend and a cart rom dumper

latent dagger
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yeah, the 5 looks like it might be emulation with it having options for filters and scaling and stuff

restive bloom
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Though I try to keep my pulse on physical retro gaming stuff, I won't lie that I'm not the most keenly aware of clone hardware solution that aren't just gussied up emulation solutions; Evercades and the like are the most I'm aware of that are relatively big in the space - I'm mostly into foss emulators and PC arcade stuff as of late. (Working on lightguns does that kinda thing lmao)

latent dagger
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Analogue exists as a medium for those who want a modern solution that supports them using their physical cartridges (for nostalgia/aesthetic reasons) allowing them to avoid old hardware and maintaining/fixing it etc.

otherwise just collect games if you want to and put them on the shelf but use a mister lol.

restive bloom
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I just don't personally see the value proposition

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But I also knowingly sold my NeoGeo AES that I was once in possession of

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I've made that personal decision to mostly stick with emulation - or at least with MiSTer, solutions that lets me use my digital rom bucket I hoard library.

latent dagger
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for me it's about the best overall solution for playing games that gives me options of convenience, QoL features, and can be used with my CRTs.

MiSTer is just that for 5th gen and older, handheld and arcade cabs.

for newer though I have individual consoles that are modded to load backups off of internal storage lol.

restive bloom
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For use with CRTs I totally get, but even I'll admit that's a painful minority

because fuck carrying those things. Survival of the fittest shoving a bigger tube up several flights of stairs.

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Like I HAVE one. Am I proud? Absolutely, but I dread having to move again

latent dagger
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you live in the US?

restive bloom
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Born and raised 🙂

latent dagger
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ok, there's an app for people to offer their temporary services of being handymen or just muscle kind of like fiverr but for helping you do shit.
I'll have to look it up real quick but you can pay someone a reasonably affordable amount of money to help you with stuff like that whenever it happens

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it's called Taskrabbit

restive bloom
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Oh, that's a thing?
Huh
I appreciate the thought, though I don't know if I'll consider it aha.

latent dagger
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if you ever need help with a project, handyman work, etc. you can probably find someone on there for it

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heck, even if you are just like "I want to rearrange my entire apartment" you can get someone to help with that lol.

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I'm gonna definitely be using it to get help when I manage to move out probably this or next year (depends on what happens in the next 6 months) cuz I have some heavy shit that I don't want to deal with on my own.

restive bloom
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When I moved to PA a couple years back I was able to carry the majority of my (not furnishing) crap just fine on my own. It was just the two CRTs that gave me shit.
Well, mostly--a smaller Sylvania that I had intentions of modding (composite only) that one was fine; but then there's the huge Philips/Magnovox tube I use now.

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Movers helped with the majority of larger cargo, but I thought it'd be funny to lug the tube up by myself

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"how hard would it be?"

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my back hated me for that, and my arms

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I basically just rolled the thing up the stairs since it was still loosely "boxed" (wrapped in cardboard), and didn't help the stairwells are like barely three feet wide

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but hey, it works, and has pretty good s-video

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(no docs worth a shit I could find tho to maybe make an RGB mod. hrmm)

waxen oyster
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Has anybody backported some of the decomp improvements from the Zelda games back to N64? I know I've seen it for Perfect Dark/Mario (maybe others)...

manic basin
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@wanton sun I dunno if this is impacting any retail games, I would expect not, but it appears that the GameJam 2024 cart has shown there's an issue with field order on High Res (resolution_t passed as 640, 480, true) in libdragon. The fact the game works AT ALL is amazing considering it just folds emulators. But I thought I'd bring it up. Basically it's causing the misordered field issue on text. I think the actual high res renders are fine, but text gets put on the incorrect starting horizontal blank, it seems.

You can see the behavior in @cerulean elk's video https://youtu.be/hOrdUYmaCCs?t=547
Ares (disabled all correction and post processing I could find) renders text interlaced (so there are field artifacts), but does not render them off cadence.

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mossy vector
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It helps to dumb it down. (not that anyone is dumb). it's the jaggies, especially on the edges of the isometric buildings _-

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mossy vector
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Mario probably slid on some snow into a ditch on his way back from Sunday broiled chicken dinner. But he'll be OK, as the old fashioned kept him relaxed and he could have survived for days on the leftover Kwik Trip Glazers anyway.

cerulean elk
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With blood pressure of 420/69. The states average

languid dune
cerulean elk
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Which is why everyone throws garbage at you when you walk through town. A dry Wisconsinite is like dry water. It just doesn’t exist

languid dune
zinc dew
cerulean elk
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Not quite right and never satisfies

manic basin
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How did you know my senior quote?

zinc dew
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🥱

manic basin
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And I was wrong, it does impact the render.

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Not just text.

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So thanks for calling that out @mossy vector

wanton sun
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Does it impact clean HDMI? if yes it's render not VI output

weary palm
wanton sun
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it's the VI output. You can use either clean HDMI(but that has 1 flickering line at top or bottom) or use the "swap interlaced" option in the debug menu to fix it

weary palm
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Wie gehtst?

wanton sun
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Ganz gut 🙂

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Und selbst?

lament escarp
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Ist zu früh und ich will nicht arbeiten gehen. 😭

weary palm
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Es geht mir gut, Danke.

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Ein bischen mühde

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Ok enough German. 😅

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Why are you not going to work?

wanton sun
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too early, we would rather sleep longer 🙂 also have to go to work in some minutes

green epoch
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Ich komme mit dem moped zür Schule

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4 years of high school german

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Walked away with that

lament escarp
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Not too bad

green epoch
weary palm
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I studied german for 2 years. Year 8 and 9. Most people in Sweden learn a third language, usually Spanish, French or German. But few of us are fluent in this third language, heh.

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Wann Stachelschweinen küssen, dann müssen, müssen, müssen, Sie ganz ganz fein behutsam sein.

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Spelling, lol

lament escarp
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Very cringe but not too bad. 😅

weary palm
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Mein Hut der hat drei Ecken, you know. Our teacher loved children's songs. 😅

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I'm almost never cringe. At least that's what my mother told me.

lament escarp
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I'm very cringe in public.

weary palm
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Cringe is in the eye of the beholder. It's not in you.

zenith orchid
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eye of the beholder? I love that game!

raw oriole
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(Emote just for the lols, I love that game too)

zinc dew
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Ich habe Geschlechtsverkehr mit dem N64

lament escarp
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Wtf

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I screenshoted that for future use.

solar slate
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🤣

topaz otter
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We speak American here gentlemen

green epoch
topaz otter
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the mister is quite literally made out of spare parts and getting cheaper all the time and has great support(this chat)

green epoch
topaz otter
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I'm going to reinvent the wheel but it will be square, here's why its going to be a better wheel and a premium experience than one that is free, also my square wheel is delayed again

weary palm
green epoch
topaz otter
green epoch
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but, thankfully, we will never need to choose

candid panther
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I'm trying to find an N64 homebrew ROM that reads Gameboy games from the transfer Pak and dumps the ROM and SRAM

It definitely exists as I used it to rip my collection using an everdrive 64

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Anyone got it?

solar slate
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This exists.Try to ask in the N64brew server. I am not sure but I think this one was not finished.

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I am not sure but this emu was made by LambertJames

candid panther
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Think I've found it

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Yep that's definitely it. I wonder if it works on mister via snac...

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Probably not, almost certainly....but I'll see what happens 🤣

candid panther
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Nope, no Bueno

Just tried, ah well

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This works though!

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Now I can finally play game boy on my MiSTer

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Damn I forgot how well Gameboy games play on this and they look great with direct video turned on. Takes an age to load, but it's worth it for the double and triple speed modes

Works well enough, probably super buggy on some games but not had any issues with the ones I've tried so far. I did play a fair bit of Zelda through this a few years back

lament escarp
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I would like a hack of stadium that lets you play pokemon romhacks in the gb tower

candid panther
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That's this hack

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Although it does cut out everything apart from GB tower and boots right into it

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I wouldn't be surprised if there's a hack of Stadium that keeps the game untouched apart from allowing Pokémon hacks though

lament escarp
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Yeah I can just use the gb core for that. I have a romhack that should work on mister but after it loads for a while it brings up an error code. But I didn't manage to boot any other romhack in gb tower either, so I guess it checking the checksum and not just the header.

solar slate
candid panther
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Yeah, I'm using a real transfer Pak. It doesn't even read the cart, just errors out

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Same kit works fine on Pokémon stadium as above

solar slate
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If SNAC is intended to work like a native Controller port on the N64core, the TP should work like on retail.

candid panther
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Yeah I guess the GB ripping homebrew ROM probably checks something first before loading the Transfer Pak, and if it's not on a flash cart it stalls. Can't think of any other reason

lament escarp
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I have a little device to dump and write on gb cartridges from inside gadgets. It was like 30 bucks.

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You could always get that if you need to dump your gb cartridges that badly.

chrome quest
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You can also dump GB games and saves through a Raphnet N64 usb adapter if you have a TPak

candid panther
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Oh yeah I also have a gbcartxrw so I don't need this app, I was just curious

lament escarp
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I only used mine once. But good to have.

candid panther
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Yeah it's great for rewriting flashcards for romhacks, they can be bought for cheap on Ali express and labels are pretty easy to get printed

lament escarp
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I love the fram cartridges from inside gadgets, they work for sram saves but don't need a battery.

candid panther
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Yeah I've got one of those neat little things, with the points to add a rumble motor

topaz otter
weary palm
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Does that GB cart dumper save to a memcard, or?

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A tool for backing up and writing save files (with a transfer pak and snac) would be handy.

candid panther
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It'd be nice if theres some way to bodge something together that works on mister but I'm not a dev

Would be neat to have a way to dump Gameboy games and saves through MiSTer

weary palm
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Perhaps that'd be a fun project. I've never done anything for the N64... well... I've made small modofications to the decomp projects, but that's all..😅

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There's already a library done for the TransferPak. And we have libdragon

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But I digress!

wanton sun
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You could make a simplified n64 core where everything but PIF and SNAC is cut out and just a simple statemachine requests the PIF to read GB data into save ram

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well, software solution would also work on real hardware, so probably preferred

magic girder
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(But the point about effort vs reward is valid)

amber fjord
grave jay
waxen oyster
# grave jay can you share more info about enhancements for perfect dark and super mario 64 b...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENXn_sG3-9U

This is somebody running the Perfect Dark mod on the N64 Turbo core. Basically took out the resolution enhancement and spent the Expansion Pack RAM elsewhere for performance improvements.

There have been updates since on the github but I don't think anybody's compiled them back into a ROM or patch file.

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perfect dark high performance patch on mister fpga n64 80mhz rgb

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@grave jay And then there's HackerSM64 (https://github.com/HackerN64/HackerSM64). Rather than an out-of-the-box useable product, I think this is intended to be used by SM64 ROM hackers as a more refined base with enhancements from the Decomp already backported (and modularity as to which enhancements to include).

Both that and PDHP have incorporated aspects of the Decomp back to the N64 ROMs.

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Regardless, I haven't found much else for other games yet (Zelda included). I'll keep an eye out.

verbal urchin
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Okay, this is so weird, I just got this notice while booting up the iQue/Chinese version of Paper Mario and I have no idea what this means, but when I boot up a clean blank file, it then boots me to like Mario having O stats, not sure if this means the rom is corrupted, idk why it would be, because I literally play this on my steam deck and it works completely fine

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verbal urchin
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That makes sense! This is actually a romhack as well so I’m not sure if that’s why this is happening

zinc dew
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So the iQue Mario 64 likely not in that database. Don’t know if it’s even supported.

verbal urchin
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None of the iQue games are?

zinc dew
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However you can make your own custom database and add the game’s MD5 hash there.

verbal urchin
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I wonder if it works on actual hardware

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Because I have the Everdrive I mean

zinc dew
verbal urchin
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Dang

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Maybe it should get looked into

zinc dew
subtle stream
zinc dew
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@verbal urchin good news they work on the core

verbal urchin
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They do?

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But I keep getting that pop up, I think for the other iQue games, this doesn’t happen but I guess Paper Mario wasn’t put in the database yet

zinc dew
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Or maybe you have a bad patch

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Or the patch changes the hash so the database doesn’t recognize it

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Lot of variables

verbal urchin
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Could be that

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Then that’s strange, because again, this works perfectly fine on RetroArch

zinc dew
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Retroarch is a software emulator which has a lot of advantages working with games that have nonstandard patches or supporting games that don’t run on real hardware

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or like you said, the database may not have the game’s hash info

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If you don’t mind me asking, why play the iQue version instead of the other versions? Native language support?

verbal urchin
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Oh just because lol

zinc dew
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yeah I feel it

verbal urchin
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Yeah I know I could play either the English or Japanese versions but why not the Chinese version lol

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Even though there’s no legit differences

zinc dew
# verbal urchin Even though there’s no legit differences

There’s a big difference actually, which is why you need patches to have the games work on a base N64.

The iQue clocked the N64’s R4300i CPU to 140.625Mhz and uses a different ram chip that provides 3x the ram bandwidth of the original hardware. Lastly the only way to load games was through a specialized program on your PC.

This results in faster loading times and sometimes introduced new glitches because of the clock speed differences of the hardware.

verbal urchin
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Oh lol I meant, like in-game

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Like version differences, just a text language change

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But I understand that though from a technical perspective

zinc dew
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Ohhh ok. Yeah.

verbal urchin
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Yep! lol but thank you for that info and breaking it down!! I’ll see what I can do in terms of adding the hash into the files, if not, I could just play this through my Everdrive, no big deal

zinc dew
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That’s always the goal

verbal urchin
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It’s all good

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Maybe someday, it’ll get resolved, who knows when

amber fjord
worn delta
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Had a thought, does Summer Cart 64 have the CIC chip needed for:
Dinosaur Planet (USA) (Proto) (2000-12-01).z64 ?

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timid sleet
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in the save files, are the bytes in each dword reversed from the actual ram positions? it seems like it's saving it as 0x03, 0x02, 0x01, 0x00, 0x07, 0x06...

weary palm
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solar slate
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it would be cool to have that dongle logic implemented in the core to run the original roms. It was implemented into the ED X7 for the conker and PD builds and later also for DP. It uses the same dongle but different encryption codes.

mossy vector
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How about no.

zinc dew
cerulean elk
green epoch
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what happens if it's bad?

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do you send it back to manufacturing?

cerulean elk
green epoch
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goddamnit

old iris
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Faced with a problem in n64 core, when calling the mister menu during the game, you have to wait a long time for the SAVE screen..., and it doesn't matter whether it was saved in the game or not, just every menu call you have to wait a couple of minutes until the screen with the inscription save disappears...

zinc dew
old iris
magic girder
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N64 core saves may be bigger?

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Still sounds like a dodgy SD. Can you try a new one and see if that helps?

zinc dew
magic girder
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Doesn’t the N64 core also splatter out more files sometimes, depending on the save type? If the SD is on the way out, that might be why it’s noticeable on the N64 core

worn delta
solar slate
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No need. Only NTSC prototypes from RARE are using this. The dongle and protection was made by RARE and applies only to the Conker, PD and DP Prototypes. Whenever we see the second DP prototype, it will also be dongle protected. Here is a video about that dongle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIZYC_HU2qY

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here is a script for PJ64 that simulates the dongle for Dino Planet. LSFS is the word used. Conker and PD use another I think.

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that script was made by LuigiBlood back when the rom surfaced.

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There is a TWINE prototype protected by a password but I know nothing that is similar to what RARE did there. So the other games must have different problems.

solar slate
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I think this should be the dongle script for PD and Conker.

📎 OJFS.txt
zinc dew
solar slate
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no it is not. These scrips where made by LuigiBlood to have dongle functionality in PJ64

zinc dew
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Awesome, for confirming

weary palm
# zinc dew Ohhh what’s BMQC ?

Its a unique header id. 4 bytes at the beginning of the rom. I thing mario 64 is NSME, for example. N for Nintendo 64, SM for Super Mario and E for USA.

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For homebrew is sometimes empty, garbage or an existing licensed id so we need hashes for those.

solar slate
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Every Nintendo game since Famicom has its own ID (Gamecode) which also tells Company, Game and Region. NSME tells with "E" that it is the US English version. A "P" at the end would tell that it is PAL. When a developer is far enough in development with his game, he can ask Nintendo to issue a Gamecode for the project. Nintendo Lotcheck is also checking that the Gamecode is present. For Nintendo DS, Nintendo did send you a few encrypted files you had to put into your project folder. That also included the Gamecode. Then the Dev had to compile the game as retail version.

green epoch
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Ok, I have an itch and I need you sickos to look me in the eye and tell if it’s worth scratching: Should I play Quest 64 in the year of our lord 2025? I can’t tell if the fandom around this game is a meme or not and I am kind of in the mood for a game like that.

magic girder
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I think it’s a meme

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But the whole game is apparently just ~12.5 hours long. So as far as RPGs go it’s not a huge time investment

green epoch
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So you’re saying I should just play the new dragon age instead

timber sun
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I think you should get through Quest 64 before you treat yourself to the new Dragon Age 😉

zinc dew
marble cargo
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I wonder how the sequel to Quest 64 would of turned out if it actually released.

mortal panther
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QuestCube, followed by WiiQuest?

zinc dew
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So a sequel would’ve likely actually been pretty decent.

marble cargo
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The developers at Imagineer were at least aware of the shortcomings of Quest 64, because the Japanese version released a year later made changes like new cutscenes and quality of life updates to improve the game. Still flawed, but it's obvious they cared enough to bother.

zinc dew
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The GBC game is much better actually.

vapid hawk
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i really liked the new dragon age fwiw. also the best hair i've ever seen in a game

marble cargo
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I can imagine a sequel iterating on what worked to make a better game.

vapid hawk
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they came up with a hair system so good you can basically have any hairstyle, there's hairstyles in the game you probably hadn't even realized developers have been avoiding forever

paper orchid
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You'll have a good time with it I promise :)

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worn delta
green epoch
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You’re all sickos

brisk edge
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There's a rebalance hack, but no I don't think there's a patch to take changes from the Japanese version and port them back.

shut canyon
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Been having a 64 core afternoon. Never played rayman 2 before and I was pleasantly surprised. Plus some good ole Yoshi

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vapid hawk
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rayman2 looks great and runs amazingly well for an n64 game

lament escarp
marble cargo
jolly turret
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I remember having seen Holy Magic Century featured on one of these VHS promo cassettes included with a magazine subscription. I still haven't played it a single time, but I always thought it looked very intriguing.

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But then I always feel more in the mood to replay OoT for the 50th time.

lament escarp
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I put my 8bitdo modkit in another shell today, to make room for the intec modkit when it arrives. While doing so I exchanged the hall gc style stick that came with it with an original stick, fixed up with kitsch bent parts.

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Feels completely differently.

shut canyon
magic girder
tepid pond
tepid pond
wanton sun
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Played quest64 multiple times in the last 20 years, but never went very far into the game. 12 hours will probably only work if you pick the right skills.
I always picked what seemed interesting to me and Brian was relativly weak, so it required endless grinding to beat the first boss. Maybe I'm also just bad at this game.

magic girder
fierce girder
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Level those two skills and you’re set

weary palm
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My favorite RPG is Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey

lament escarp
solar slate
# vapid hawk rayman2 looks great and runs amazingly well for an n64 game

"for a N64 game" that implies the N64 was a weak console but that is far from the truth. The problem was always in front of the console. The system is just very complex and Nintendo was a big ass towards 3rd party devs back then. Also Nintendo itself had to master a steep, long learning curve on the N64, as they never had the visual most stunning games on the N64. Zelda64 did not become the "best Game ever" because of its GFX. In that regard they improved very much with Zelda MM. What you really can do with the N64 was shown by Rare but also only after a steep long learning curve and full support by Nintendo which means own microcodes and such. What the N64 could do today is very good shown by Kaze with his Mario 64 code overhaul. Stable 30 fps with GFX that looks not like typical N64 gfx. And yet the N64 still has mysteries as you can see sometimes on N64brew.

weary palm
solar slate
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I always liked MM more but I am a bit biased when it comes to that game.

weary palm
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Me too, I guess. But I don't love the game. Haven't even played/struggled through it even though I've tried like four times. 😅

It's nice to look at, though. The character designs have a lot of personality. I think I enjoy looking at other people playing it more than doing it myself.

lament escarp
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Zelda on N64 was peak. The decline over ww and tp wasn't steep or that bad but everything after that is a true dumpster fire.

tepid pond
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Yeah, I love OoT and MM, especially with the Redux hacks. c:

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I've gotten 100% completion in both games (on original hardware hooked up to a CRT TV), including OoT Master Quest. ^-^

raw oriole
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I really should move the redux hacks up my play queue, been meaning to for ages

lament escarp
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I tried the redux hacks but they didn't do anything for me personally.

magic girder
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@lament escarp hates hacks because he prefers to play the games as Miyamoto intended

tepid pond
lament escarp
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I don't mind hacks at all, they just didn't do much for oot. So what if your purse gets a different color when you get an upgrade for it and the dpad is pretty unreachable on a n64 controller anyway.

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But I'll admit I can be pretty picky when it comes to hacks.

tepid pond
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Well fortunately I play with a Hori Pad Mini, so the d-pad shortcuts were awesome. It made the Water Temple more enjoyable. c:

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It's also a nice touch that you get the red blood, original Mirror Shield design, and original Spirit Temple music in OoT, and the original Skull Kid design in MM, on top of the various QOL improvements. 🙂

vapid hawk
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i appreciate the slightly increased text speed on redux too

tepid pond
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Obviously Ship of Harkinian is the ideal, but if you're going to play the original version for whatever reason (like if you're playing on original hardware and you've got a flash cart), then you might as well use the Redux hacks. c:

zinc dew
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I think it really doesn’t matter how you play that game because the changes are minor at best. The core of the game is the same no matter how you play it and that’s the important part.

tepid pond
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Idk, not needing to constantly bring up the inventory (especially in MM) makes a real difference imo, and like Freddo said, the increased text speed is nice, especially for replaying the game.

topaz otter
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Ocarina's graphics were pretty impressive at the time

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it also owes alot to the cohesive art style of that game

zinc dew
topaz otter
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my only question is why in the name of all that is holy doesn't the dpad do anything in ocarina

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i got a few theories on this so hear me out, ok

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  1. Nintendo completely forgot that it existed
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  1. A prototype of the N64 controller didn't have a dpad so they never used it and it was added to the controller late in development, too late to be used in the game
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  1. When they were developing the game, they used the dpad for activating debug commands, meaning that they couldn't bind game buttons to it
magic girder
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Cos the analogue stick was “the new feature” then

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And having to move your hand from the middle prong to the left for D-pad things would have been confusing?

magic girder
topaz otter
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possibly, but they had to know during playtesting what a pain in the ass it was to switch the boots from the menu, and there are four extra buttons on the dpad

magic girder
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I think using the D-pad for “quick access” became a thing a bit later

topaz otter
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actually come to think of only one game that actually uses the dpad comes to mind

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and thats turok 2 uses it for the map

ivory laurel
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Also duke3d uses it

topaz otter
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thats not really an N64 game though

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so it doesn't count

ivory laurel
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Cruisn USA also uses it

topaz otter
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for what

ivory laurel
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Direction

topaz otter
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  1. Controls
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L Button: Brake
R Button: Brake
Z Button: Accelerate
D-Pad: Not Used

ivory laurel
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Give it a shot, works

zinc dew
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Asking the player to swap hand positions to use the dpad is not a comfortable or viable choice for everyone.

mortal panther
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Real gamers could hold it in six different positions... nine if you used your feet.

marble cargo
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Just use your mouth to hold the middle handle smh

topaz otter
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it has a tube you blow into instead of an analog stick

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like how steven hawking controlled his wheelchair

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at least I think thats how he did it, he may have had a hand control

zinc dew
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Maybe he invented the N64

topaz otter
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i liked his rap album

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A Brief History of Rhyme

mossy vector
# topaz otter i got a few theories on this so hear me out, ok

None of the above. It's pretty brute force the way clothes and weapon models are switched out. The menu itself is a RAM overlay which overwrites a huge block regardless of what's there. And then the level stuff has to reload. Anyways the limitation is caused by too little RAM.

zinc dew
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Well that’s neat, thanks for explaining it

mossy vector
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Yes they could have found a way with extra nights and weekends with Robby cracking his bullwhip, but there would still be a heart-stopping stutter.

tepid pond
zinc dew
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I mean, you’re comparing modern hacking solutions from people with infinite time and a completed game to pick apart against early 3D programming skills and a game with a deadline.

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You’re right; theoretically they could’ve done that but it’s likely the knowledge or time available wasn’t sufficient enough.

topaz otter
zinc dew
topaz otter
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I play around making maps in the duke3d build engine and you'd be amazed that most of the textures are scanned out of a magazine

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and I found a pdf of the magazine

iron wren
vapid hawk
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its even stranger since they did bind the L button to something

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(it toggles the map)

zinc dew
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I had no idea haha

tepid pond
# iron wren This is an important thing to keep in mind whenever discussing shortcomings of o...

Constantly bringing up the inventory screen, especially if it's your first time through, and especially if you're playing Majora's Mask.
Sure, it would've been forward thinking and innovative for the time, but using the d-pad for item shortcuts isn't exactly complicated. It may have been understandable for Ocarina of Time, but Majora's Mask? Constantly bringing up the inventory screen was more of an issue in that game, and it was a sequel.

inland kindle
iron dove
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NP

iron wren
zinc dew
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Shoulda woulda coulda. They didn’t and it’s fine, very cool that modern fans are able to introduce accessibility options into these games that work for them.

lament escarp
magic girder
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Better than Game Freak: “it’ll still sell”

lament escarp
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At least Game Freak doesn't use their players as free QA. ||Since they never fix the issues! elmorise ||

zinc dew
# lament escarp You sound like a bethesda dev "the fans will fix it"

That honestly wasn’t my intent. I was trying to say that it’s been quite a while since that game came out so it’s not exactly fair to say that they should’ve done this or that.

Also I don’t mean to stop this conversation. I think it’s genuinely a really cool one. It really highlights just how far we’ve come as a hobby where fans identify accessibility failures in the past and can come up with their own solutions to fix it. I think that’s astonishing actually.

lament escarp
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Yeah, but don't take it for granted. Every time fans fix a genuine issue in a game the original devs should ne ashamed.

magic girder
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I’m with you. They did the best they could under the circumstances. Comparing to a random fan mod 20 years later isn’t comparable

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And it’s such a minor thing

tepid pond
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It's not a minor thing in the Water Temple, or in Majora's Mask.
There's nothing wrong with holding developers to higher standards. Too many people these days, including gamers, have this "eh, good enough" attitude regarding the entertainment they consume, instead of choosing to have higher standards. It doesn't exactly help with the rampant mediocrity that we see in the modern entertainment industry.

vapid hawk
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didn't the 3DS version of OOT do something similar with its iron boots? they obviously agreed it wasn't good

magic girder
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Perhaps, but we’ll never know why it wasn’t that way for the original version

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I don’t really see what complaining about what devs did/didn’t do in a ~27 year old game is gonna achieve 😅

vapid hawk
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they should of let you map them as a C item if they didn't want to use the dpad for it too

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but yeah i mean, eh, its a minor blemish on a goat game. only reason we're even discussing it

tepid pond
latent dagger
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What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
No point crying over spilt milk boba tea.
The skibbity rizzler is gonna ohio your gyatt.

mossy vector
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You can know by looking at the source code. Yes one can certainly say what would have been better, in a perfect world, with unlimited time and resources

zinc dew
latent dagger
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.... I just wanna know what's happening with that red joycon

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👀

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or..... do I?

lament escarp
zinc dew
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what happens in #1096015979055697940 stays in #1096015979055697940 ohio gyatt rizzler

latent dagger
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I feel like I've awoken something in Robby here

zinc dew
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@tepid pond im making fun of myself just in case

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no shade at you at all

tepid pond
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Oh I see. 😛

zinc dew
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yah sorry

lament escarp
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@zinc dew how does it feel like being held to a higher standard as a dev? Are you scared for your early lunches?

zinc dew
iron wren
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I think Nintendo could have taken a page out of oot3d/mm3d/wwhd’s books when making botw/totk/eow (especially eow) because wow is it annoying navigating the “quick” inventories in those

vapid hawk
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was a bit annoying towards the end of eow

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i almost wanted a search for my object list

iron wren
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Gmtk did an xmb style mockup inventory that was really nice, that would have solved all my complaints

topaz otter
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like a modern game

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like, how did someone do that, there is no functionality for that in the original game at all

upper pivot
topaz otter
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this is based on actual events

zinc dew
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Why is he named Rob, I feel seen

raw oriole
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YOU DIDN'T

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Robby, you cad. And I thought you were so nice!

mortal panther
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Clearly not a fan of Linux.

magic girder
zinc dew
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No name calling please

restive bloom
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Honestly it's too easy to fall into the pit of imagining what could've been done with X game, twenty/thirty years later, with the benefit of hindsight, and no deadlines or whatever working environment the original devs or under.
So I just kind of don't. 🙂

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My only exception is in sequels that somehow manages to fuck itself over with bad design choices that a previous game did perfectly fine and that's in part what I give Tales of Symphonia shit for but i digest, maybe they only ate blocks for lunch

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In OoT's case, they almost certainly didn't think switching out armor pieces - or more bluntly, the iron boots - was that big of a deal, and the ergo's of the controller certainly didn't inspire much confidence that it could be used as hotkeys if that part of the controller wasn't exactly quick to reach in the first place. It's very out of the way when your left hand's on the center prong where the stick is, which is why most 3D games on the system just used the D-Pad and L Button for trivial shit.

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(I often forgot L even toggled the minimap until Harkinian reminded me, lol)

tepid pond
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Of all the innovations that developers have made throughout the decades, people act like utilizing the d-pad on the N64 controller would've been impossible to think of. Heck, Ape Escape 1 used the left analog stick for movement and the d-pad for camera control.

tepid pond
restive bloom
tepid pond
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"hand gymnastics" lol sure

restive bloom
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On an original N64 controller? uh yeah? lol

tepid pond
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Uh, no.

restive bloom
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kk sure

tepid pond
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When's the last time you played those games? I guarantee you that I can use the d-pad on the original N64 controller faster than bringing up the inventory and mapping an item to a C-button, then exiting the inventory screen and pressing the C-button.

restive bloom
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Like, a couple of weeks ago when I played Castlevania 64 with a modded N64 controller? It's literally right next to my desk setup I'm sitting in rn? When I hold the controller in the 'primary' stick-dominant position, I can't reach more than d-pad down, maybe d-pad right.
And even then, how common was it to use the d-pad in N64 games anyways? Clearly, not enough for most games to not ignore it for the most part.

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Heck, I didn't even know C64 even had another method of camera control that wasn't just using the lock on until I was putzing about with custom controls in an emulator, and just happened to figure it was mapped to the d-pad. Because literally no one I've seen who ever played those games bothered to try the d-pad at all.

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Like I said, it's easy to just assume the devs would know this as a problem worth the time to dedicate to fix with hindsight, which I don't think is a super productive way of going about it tbh?

tepid pond
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So, switch the position of your hand between the middle prong and the left prong? I have the NSO N64 controller in my lap right now. It's unbelievable how hard you're trying to make it seem like an unreasonable criticism, lol.

restive bloom
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It's unbelievable to me how hard you're trying to insinuate that devs new to 3D in the mid-to-late 90's didn't try hard enough, but that's just me lol

tepid pond
lament escarp
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Stop arguing, the answer is that all devs are lazy, always. I once met @zinc dew at a waffle house for breakfast and it was actually his lunch. They have so many early lunches like you wouldn't believe.

restive bloom
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And MM was purposefully designed to be quick to make. Even though it added the whole time management stuff, most of the rest of the game's base mechanics are all just taken from OOT since they didn't feel the need to rework the wheel that much in the year they had to make it (not accounting for time lost during Ura Zelda). So even though it probably sucks in the end, it makes sense that the same general criticisms about how the game plays carries over. shrug

restive bloom
tepid pond
restive bloom
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I'm also a Pandamonium (Saturn) junkie so I've also been made more aware of 90's game dev. In most cases, whatever makes the game works gets shipped. 🙃

tepid pond
restive bloom
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It's not excuses so much as it's just basic facts of life?

sullen harbor
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This is a dumb argument

restive bloom
tepid pond
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But maybe you're right, game developers from the 90's were clearly too brain dead to be able to think of that. /s

restive bloom
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Not what I was going with, but thanks I guess?

tepid pond
# sullen harbor This is a dumb argument

What's dumb is the fact that one person after another jumps at the chance to make excuses for game developers from decades ago. It's like you people are terrified of criticism.

sullen harbor
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oh fuck off

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the game is almost 30 years old

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it is what it is

restive bloom
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No one's defending them, and I'm not the only person here just giving context about why it is.

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And it's clear that they were very much problems after the fact when the 3DS versions came out, so like

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nyeh

sullen harbor
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The mandate at the time was apparently they designed their controls in 2 specific ways. Holding left and right prongs for 2d games and middle and right for games that used the analog stick

restive bloom
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But fair 'nough, agree to disagree ig

sullen harbor
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If you're using the analog stick you don't use the dpad. It was part of their design philosophy.

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and mandate from nintendo themselves

restive bloom
sullen harbor
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It
was
What
It
Was

tepid pond
restive bloom
sullen harbor
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Someone has never had a corporate job with defined style guides then.
Here's a little tip from someone who HAS had to deal with that
"You like being employed? Do it."

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Also. Because they controlled who got their games approved for sale back then (nintendo seal of quality) they could force that on most 3rd party games

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It's a lot different from the "anyone can print a disc" era

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Did you know that you HAVE to have a specific "press any button to continue" opening menu if you want your game sold on Xbox series x

restive bloom
sullen harbor
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Yep

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Consoles are closed ecosystems

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they have control

tepid pond
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Again, you people will go to any lengths to defend developers from any and all criticism. All you're doing is proving my point.

sullen harbor
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Your point is you're an asshole?

restive bloom
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Who the hell said it's a defense?

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Just because it's circumstances of the time doesn't mean it was okay

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just that it's how it happened

tepid pond
sullen harbor
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My point is there is no point arguing when there is
A no choice
B too fucking long ago to make a difference, you fucking nitwit

tepid pond
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"there's no point arguing"
continues to argue

lament escarp
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Pls stop fighting and calling names. This is a discord of peace.

sullen harbor
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Then kick the troll

tepid pond
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Oh, I'm the troll? Give me a break.

sullen harbor
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What is the point of yelling at devs where most of them dont even work at nintendo anymore

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What is the point at yelling on a retrogaming discord

tepid pond
sullen harbor
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I have a great solution
Don't play the game then
You clearly don't like it

restive bloom
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Clearly I made a mistake by speaking out in favor of developers that likely didn't get paid nearly enough overtime hours.

hollow pebble
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Alright fam. I don’t really give a shit what this is about or who started what. End it and take it to DMs if you want to continue

lament escarp
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Thus peace has returned. 🙏

restive bloom
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yes mooom

hollow pebble
sullen harbor
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Oh yeah side note.
The widescreen romhacks for oot and mm are fire

raw oriole
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Late action notice - disruptive asshat is now banned. Not having that sort of rage baiting in this server.

hollow pebble
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Apologies for not diving deeper, but @raw oriole had my back! 🙇‍♂️

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That guys profile was 🚩🚩🚩

zenith notch
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Qick question, would the "Black Transitions" option from the PS1/Satrun core be possible on this one too.? Not a huge amount of 480i content but enough in menus that it would really clean up the ugly garbage that appears when res switching.

hushed nova
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it's just setting a flag on the scaler so it isn't difficult to do

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although remind me again, does the garbage show up when you transition from 240p -> 480i or the other way around?

barren rain
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I instantly ordered one and now I can play N64 DD games. Thanks for the tip!

zenith notch
neat sierra
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That guy’s love of rom hacks burned too brightly. Out brief candle out I say

zinc dew
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lol that’s a pretty good way to troll tho

hushed nova
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I'm fond of the aggressiveness combined with snarky reaction to every response to one of their statements

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usually 🙄

green epoch
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That’s a lot of text to read tbh

zenith notch
# hushed nova although remind me again, does the garbage show up when you transition from 240p...

Seen a bit of screen garbage pop up when going from 480i to 240p and 240p to 480i, nothing that I was able to repeat consistently. The latest unstable nightly seems much better, not putting large amounts of white static on the screen anymore in transitions or when the core boots so on the whole everything looks much cleaner than it did before. I remember star wars racer looking real ugly as it switched around but now its only minor flickering between transitions.

solid cypress
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Whenever someone reaches for the “lazy devs” trope, I reflexively want to step in and explain the harsh realities of videogame development

Then I realise that someone else will probably respond, and it’s nearly nap time anyway, so why bother

tender pine
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I'm fortunate enough I have a mister and - much more importantly - people such as @fpgazumspass and others who bring us these great cores, N64 being top of the tier.

I'm just wondering however what do people consider the best N64 software emulator? I'm only curious as I've actually never emulated N64 via software only but am curious lately the state of play.

thorn flax
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these days, Ares

tender pine
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Project 64?

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Id be very interested seeing og hardware, mister core and a good software emulator pitted against each other.

zinc dew
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Some people just think they know how others do their job. blobshrug

green epoch
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it’s a miracle games ship at all

raw oriole
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Given all the recent layoffs - often immediately after a successful game release - it's surprising anyone wants to finish the game they're working on any more...

paper orchid
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Honestly, given what I've heard about the most recent GDC...yeah

zinc dew
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Don’t finish the game then they can’t lay you off right?

paper orchid
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Primarily hearsay but I've heard that spirits were pretty low

zinc dew
paper orchid
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People getting ready to publish not wanting to get too excited given "all of the other teams" who are struggling right now

green epoch
zinc dew
green epoch
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Oh I'm not arguing with the business side of it. It's more of a "you can ship the most successful game of the year and still lose your job" kind of morale killer

zinc dew
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Oh sorry I wasn’t arguing either, I think that’s messed up

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also incredibly short sighted

green epoch
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I imagine, if you aren't already employed somewhere, it is hard to get excited about jumping into the industry

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which sucks because video games are fucking rad

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I imagine we will feel repurcussions of embracer's buying spree for years t come

zinc dew
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Having been an Embracer employee for a brief period I cannot begin to stress how just absolutely fucking incompetent they are. Like some of the stupidest people I’ve ever seen flush money down a toilet.

green epoch
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and they created a gold rush for satellite dev studios, so everyone was buying everyone and now, whoops, money isn't as cheap as it was in 2021

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The amount of studio closures and job losses in the last 18 months is fucking heartbreaking

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Anyway, anyone on the outside of the industry earnestly throwing around "lazy dev" is almost 100% an asshole

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I wanted to use sh*tbag but the bot said no

raw oriole
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Yeah, that got an automod 😄

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hushed nova
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my first amendment rights

raw oriole
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Lololol

green epoch
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im calling my senator

zinc dew
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Senator Shitbag?

raw oriole
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As if they know how to pick up phones

green epoch
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god don't remind me

raw oriole
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I shouldn't have, that's more #spicy-off-topic 😄

green epoch
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yeah, I was going to start but then realized this poor channel has seen enough today

hushed nova
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if gamedevs weren't so lazy they would have coded the senate properly

green epoch
raw oriole
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Remember when all we had to worry about was Nintendo lawyers? Happy days

zinc dew
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if mister devs weren’t lazy id be able to run update all from the main menu

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but no, I gotta go into a screeeeeeeeptz folder

green epoch
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finally the truth comes to light

raw oriole
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Can't you just crontab it for every night Robby?

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With your leet hacker skillz

zinc dew
green epoch
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you should invest in a Zaparoo™ and use the Update_all card

raw oriole
zinc dew
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omg can you actually do that

raw oriole
zinc dew
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@hushed nova can you show me how to crontrab mister

green epoch
zinc dew
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Oh wait yes I’m very lazy

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You’re right

raw oriole
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24 times a day if you put it on the minute hand

zinc dew
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Speaking of being lazy ok gotta stop putting this off and go work out. Have a good day you wonderful people you

lament escarp
green epoch
lament escarp
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Would be funny as shit if it turned out he isn't a dev, never worked on doom and isn't even from texas, but north korea or something.

neon heron
solar slate
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So I do a lot of testing of the N64 core. I am very happy about the core, also because there a things possible a real N64 can not do. One of the things I like are the VI Settings and the control over Dither and Texture Filter. Over the years I did VI Gameshark codes for almost every N64 game. These codes started out on the old Assembler Forum and last time I posted about was on the Everdrive forum. Now on the MiSTer with N64 Core these codes are useless. Now I know that the N64 core takes already most of the available space. Not sure if any more features are possible but I would like to suggest some additions to the Dither On/Off and Texture Filter On/Off options. Regarding the Dither on/off, this function works only partly. The N64 features 3 different Dither types. That is Bayer, Magic SQ and Noise. It seams that Bayer & Magic SQ can also be used in combination in a flicker like manner. The function in the Mister Core to switch Dither off only affects Bayer or Magic SQ or both. Noise is not affected. It can be found for example in Extreme G. Some Games use different Dither depending on the scene. Blast Corps for example uses Noise in level select. To see the direct Effect of the Filter there is a Testrom called NU0.z64. It was compiled by CrashOveride. Would it be possible to add to the core that also Noise could be switched off? Maybe add some sort of check boxes to select what kind of Dither filter method should be applied? Bayer, Magic SQ, Bayer + MagicSQ, Noise, Off.

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In regards of the texture filter, right now we can only switch it off. We all know, the N64 Texture filter is 3 point filtering.
This creates a very unique look, some games like OoT even depend on it in some cases. But in some games the filter is producing quite some GFX distortions.
Since we can switch the texture filter off, I wonder if it would be possible to add a option to use another texture filter method like Bilinear filtering?
Another idea would be be able to adjust the strenght of the effect.

If you have trouble finding the correct test rom, please let me know. Not sure if I can just attach this here.

zinc dew
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also holy shit I kicked my ass today, fml

wanton sun
# solar slate In regards of the texture filter, right now we can only switch it off. We all kn...

not so easily. The trick with the filter is to have a very unique access pattern of the different TMEM banks, which can guarantee 3 adjacent texels, but not 4. It would require to double the TMEM.
That alone would be easy, but the additional logic and wiring will make a fit of the core much harder.
To conclude this: on future hardware it can be done in 1-2 days, With the de10-nano I would rather not do it.

solar slate
sullen harbor
topaz otter
zinc dew
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just act like one derpweow

mossy vector
topaz otter
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😆

jolly turret
spare meadow
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I tested the N64 core with KI Gold and RE2 and just love it! @remote hatch did a wonderful work! Hope he releases a N64 Turbo Core version too

latent dagger
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@remote hatch sorry if you see that were pinged in GBA. I accidentally posted in that channel lol.
so I just did some testing on both cores, and for me personally with component out, N64 looks good.
Most likely due to the way N64 graphics and text are displayed, it adds a slight softness that helps hide any aliasing effects while not making the image too messy and text is still fairly clear and legible.

PSX however I feel is a bit too strong.
While most graphics seem to be fine enough, text becomes extremely hard to look at.

I think for PSX perhaps something closer to 75% of the current blur would allow for things to be softened on the edges still while keeping text more legible.

jolly turret
# latent dagger <@701214948650516480> sorry if you see that were pinged in GBA. I accidentally p...

I actually compared both cores to the real consoles and provided feedback. On The N64 core kuba-j was able to dial in the composite blend to be absolutely identical to the real console, and I agree that it looks absolutely outstanding. I had both my Mister and console hooked up to my Sony BVM and was switching back between the inputs to be able to compare both against each other on the fly.

When I tested the PSX console I found out that it has even slightly more blur than the current PSX composite blend core, approximately by about 3-5% more blur. And yes, the text in Final Fantasy games and even Resident Evil games already is too blurry, however I don't have my original games anymore to compare them to the real console to check how they are behaving. I'll try to purchase them so that I can compare these further.

During my testing it also became clear that these composite blends are really essential, as they have noticeable positive effect, specifically in games with pre-rendered background images, where the blur polishes out the images and removes out the rough blockyness, making everything more polished looking.

latent dagger
# jolly turret I actually compared both cores to the real consoles and provided feedback. On Th...

if you have an actual PS1, and the ability to burn a CD, you can always try the disc swap hack with a burned copy.
or if you have a hacked PS2 or Wii where you can run emulation that also can work for comparing.

but I wasn't necessarily comparing to original, and was more commenting on what it looks like to my eyes, and noticing that text is way too affected on PS1 (in FF games most definitely lol, I didn't even mention it but you called it since FF9 is what I used as a good benchmark for testing the effects)

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I'm actually about to throw a copy of FF9 onto my Wii right now and use WiiSX with composite to test how that looks as a method of comparison myself.

jolly turret
# latent dagger if you have an actual PS1, and the ability to burn a CD, you can always try the ...

That's great to know. I just recently bought a modded PSOne without knowing it was modded, planning on getting the mod removed, so that there wouldn't be any chance of the mod interfering with my audio analysis of the system. When I compared this core I used an SCPH-7002 console, I'm not sure if the PSOne will look any different, but it might be worth a try! I just might not have any time to test it before the next weekend.

I fully agree about the text. I have don't know why it filters the text so aggressively, and it only happens with some games, specifically with FF and RE games and Driver 1. I also tried Ehrgeiz, Hard Edge and both Oddworld games which do not have any issues with the text at all, if I recall correctly (I should have taken notes).

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Maybe someone more knowledgeable can take a look at it.

latent dagger
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I played FF9 on a PSone back in the day on a terrible shitty Funai Emerson rebrand TV lol

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I don't remember text looking this bad

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when it comes to audio, yes, the PSone is going to be different because they changed the audio chip I think

jolly turret
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I'll try it out, but what I meant is how the output of the PSX SCPH-7002 console compares to the output of the PSOne.

latent dagger
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I don't think anything changed when it came to video output aside from the difference between the original's RCA outputs having slightly different output compared to the multi av port

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but in regards to the multi av port, as far as I know output is identical across revisions

jolly turret
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If we can dial in the composite blend to look identical, and have correct audio filter presets, the audio and video output will be fully identical to the real systems. It will not be possible to tell them apart. This is what I want to push forward.

jolly turret
# latent dagger but in regards to the multi av port, as far as I know output is identical across...

Apparently the RCA output has a noticeable LPF and outputs a signal with inverted audio phase, while the other systems seem to have a linear response mostly, expect some small dips here and there. Some later motherboard revisions however can also invert the phase of the audio through the Multi-AV output.

This is entirely based on information I was able to find online and through the MDFourier discord. I have yet to test my own collection of PS1 consoles.

latent dagger
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using the Wii to play FF9 input into my 32" with composite it looks way cleaner on text.
and the natural softening that helps aliased edges looks smooth is still there

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however, I also plugged the Wii into an old tube from 1987 and then it looked just as blurry as the blend core does

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and that tube itself is just old and blurry. probably slightly out of focus too, not sure. haven't opened it up at all.

remote hatch
latent dagger
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compared to the previous core, text is drastically better.
however, for me personally I get a very "sharp" looking image that shows with scanlines, whereas the Wii seems to output a more full image without noticeable scanlines and a way smoother overall image.

I am now investigating if this PSX emulator even outputs 240p or if it scales and outputs 480i only because then I'll need to yoink my PS2 out of it's whole over with my HDCRT and dig out the original composite cables for it lol

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also in this process I am attempting to see if it's just that composite input on this set is just way better looking compared to component inputs due to how it processes the composite and combs it

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ok, so WiiSX is not 240p. I'll need a newer fork version that supports that. Will change things out and report back

jolly turret
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I'll try to find some time during the week to hook everything up for a comparison with the console and report back then.

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We should probably continue this discussion over in the PSX post.

latent dagger
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Can't load into PWM or 80MHz builds. can't load into PWM version of PSX either.
My MiSTer just goes black screen, and none of the three lights on top are active.
It's like it crashes. I have to unplug and replug it to bring it back.
Not sure what's going on here. I did update_all today and dropped in the latest mister unstable too.

solar slate
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I am surprised, the N64 has quite some games that run in 480i. Would it be possible to add a Deinterlacing Option like in the PSX core? I guess thats probably just a space issue right now.

latent dagger
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I thought there already was effectively one. Basically 480p mode

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"clean HDMI" I think it's called

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@solar slate

solar slate
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yes but with that you loose the VI filter

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also when looking at Killer Instinct in clean HDMI, it still looks interlaced

cunning fern
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#settings-workshop message

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#unstable-nightlies message

solar slate
solar slate
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what soft filter do you recommend?

cunning fern
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Zakk did an amazing job there. I currently use GS sharpness 005 as intl filter and GS sharpness 070 as horizontal for 480i games.

solar slate
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with that filter option interlaced games with vi are no longer a problem

cunning fern
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It also looks better than selecting bob deinterlacing on Saturn and PS1 cores. So for now it is the best deinterlacing we will get without using an external scaler.

solar slate
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yeah Saturn and PSX is the next I try. That MiSTer was the best investment so far.

latent dagger
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Bump
#1096015979055697940 message

mossy vector
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delete the file and try again. you could have downloaded a truncated file.

stiff pecan
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how did you "drop in" the latest mister unstable?

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there was that issue when ftping some files, gets transfered as text or something? I definitely had this problem when trying to copy over mister main on time to get psx unstable cores running

neat sierra
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Only if you use FileZilla, leading cause of dumb transfer bullshit for mister users 😉

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I don’t use it but I think it defaults to text mode transfer so anyone not flipping to binary gets boned

zinc dew
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It defaults to auto which thinks MiSTer main is a text file because it’s dumb

neat sierra
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Ah, gracias

stiff pecan
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that's the one

storm vessel
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And seems like I missed the party 😅

restive bloom
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Oh god I wish I missed that party.

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And for some reason all I can think of with that is the friggin Lego Island devs getting canned literally day-of release just so the publisher could bail out of having to pay royalties for a property they knew was going to sell gangbusters.

solar slate
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well, never ever enter the world of game dev unprepared!

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I am in there since 1999 and I have seen shit that turn you white (to quote Winston Zeddemore)

latent dagger
# stiff pecan that's the one

I highly recommend you switch over to using WinSCP instead of FileZilla. FZ is a good client, but not for everything. it's better used for more specific use cases rather than general transfers across local networks in binary.
WinSCP works better, and most importantly comes with it's own built in text editor, so for example if you want to edit the mister.ini file, you can do so remotely within WinSCP without ever having to transfer the file back and forth.

zinc dew
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WinSCP is simply a better program.

neat sierra
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Yeah what I’ve always used as well

green epoch
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I use FileZilla because I like to challenge myself

neat sierra
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Does it do a Godzilla roar when you start a transfer? I’d switch for that

mortal panther
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"so for example if you want to edit the mister.ini file, you can do so remotely within WinSCP without ever having to transfer the file back and forth"

I do that all the time. That is indeed a very nice feature.

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...or updating preset files or names.txt.

topaz otter
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man, MVG is getting roasted for guessing that the switch 2 emulates switch 1 games in software

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then congratulating himself for being right

chrome quest
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How could he be getting roasted for an educated guess that also turned out to be correct?

mortal panther
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Exactly. He correctly speculated 2½ years ago that the Switch 2 would most likely not be 100% compatible with Switch games because the microarchitectures would be different and therefore not binary compatible. It would not handle backward compatibility the same way that the 3DS and Wii U did... and he was right. I don't blame him one bit for making a video proving that he was correct, especially after so many people gave him shit and misrepresented what he said back then and twisted it around as though he said that backward compatibility wasn't going to be possible at all. Good for him.

marble cargo
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It was obvious backwards compatibility was going to happen one way or another. Nintendo is pretty consistent with making sure their portable systems are compatible with the games from their predecessor. The only surprising part is that Nintendo is taking a different approach to handling backwards compatibility.

restive bloom
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Honestly I'm so surprised they're being as transparent as they are about it.

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Just flat out admitting that they practically only just started 'basic' compatibility testing and laying out press docs detailing games that don't even work yet, that's weird to see tbh.

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But not unwelcomed.

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And here I was thinking that 'compatible' Switch games was just an entirely cynical/corporate decision, but I'm glad that it's primarily a technical problem and I don't get why MVG's getting so much flack for just calmly explaining what the situation is like. shrug

lament escarp
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As this is the N64 channel I must mention that he slandered the N64 core and claimed it doesn't play some weird ass homebrew, which it appearently does.

vapid hawk
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at the very least they have to recompile shaders or it'll be a stuttery mess

restive bloom
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Pretty sure he's even brought up the MiSTer core many times since wrt the Analogue 64 thingy

restive bloom
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...well, kinda--haven't had shader problems in a good long while with Wendies titles.
I do sort of imagine this to be not too dissimilar to some kind of compat layer solution.

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So I'm hoping the shaders aren't as much an issue as with literal software emulation?

lament escarp
# restive bloom Since when? I watched his look at the N64 from like two years ago and it didn't ...

https://youtu.be/OmKjVpVdHDQ?si=p607plM7AuQMIGlk

YouTube
Modern Vintage Gamer
Why is Nintendo 64 emulation still a broken mess in 2025 ?

The Nintendo 64 has always been a difficult machine to emulate correctly. But in 2025 - we should be well and truly past all of it right? Not exactly. Issues with Plugins, performance, graphical glitches, stutters. Unless you have a very powerful machine, these are common things many of us will run into when emulating the Nintendo 64. But why? A...

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Somewhere in this vid. Towards the end.

thorn flax
restive bloom
vapid hawk
restive bloom
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And well, I already commented about MiSTer UX before so uh 😬

restive bloom
thorn flax
topaz otter
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modern vintage gamer is a pretty smart guy

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but he has youtuber syndrome, which is "I'm smarter than you and this is why you should listen to me."

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which all youtubers have, its just a thing

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in the youtube game you have to pretend to be a subject matter expert, whether you are or not, and in this case most of the time he is

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its just a dumb game that youtubers have to play cause its competition for eyeballs

chrome quest
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Might be worth just taking this to another channel. Not sure this is N64 relevant.
We need more Goemon

lament escarp
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My intec modkit is finally on it's way. Which N64 profit the most from having a real n64 stick?

mossy vector
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Assuming you mean game, super smash bros. Fanbase is insanely picky.

latent dagger
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Fighting and racing games don't see much benefit I think (and more isometric and 2D style games) but 3D adventure, 3D platform, and shooters work best with original controller layout

lament escarp
languid dune
zinc dew
lament escarp
solar slate
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do we have some people here with some romhacking experience?
There are a series of patches available to turn N64 Cruis'n World more into the Arcade version
by restoring Arcade Music, Arcade Sky GFX some AC Car names and some of the AC car behavior.

While these AC patches are all optional there are two patches, that are more important also to the N64 retail game.
The two patches change and fix obstacles so they act like in the AC version and wont turn around your car all the time.

Unfortunately the two most interesting patches are broken.
There are two patches to add back the AC racing babes and their arcade costumes.
Maybe somebody here with hacking eperience can check the two patches and see what the issue is?
Maybe the ips files are broken or the patches are buggy to begin with.

The whole matter can be found here. https://gbatemp.net/threads/n64-cruisn-world-more-closer-to-the-arcade-version.447100/
Since we have no Cruisn AC Core, the N64 games are the closets we have to the arcade games.

GBAtemp.net - The Independent Video Game Community
N64 Cruis'n World more closer to the arcade version!

N64 Cruis'n World more closer to the arcade version!
IMAGES: (click to open the spoiler)

BASE ROM: Cruis'n World (U).

Italian-american collaborations with SubDrag hacker (Very thanks to him 'cause he made the bigger work) here is an improved Cruis'n World rom by a lot of reasons:

  • Pure...
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I have compiled two version for me: one that applies all the AC patches and the two collision Patches to have a Arcade Style version and one that just applies the the two collision patches to the retail game for a collision fix version.

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I will test them more on my MiSTer.

tall rose
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The n64 core, normal and turbo, just suddenly stopped booting. I was playing OoT earlier today for hours no issue. Just tried to boot it back up and I get a black screen when loading core. Can't pull up the MiSTer menu, just black. Any ideas?

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Just downloaded (autoboot) from update_all and I can boot into that just fine?

iron wren
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Sounds like it could be a failing sd card, have you ruled that out?

placid ferry
iron wren
tall rose
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Do you think something could be toggling the Video Out: from the Original(V1) to the 2nd option? I notice when I turn that on I get a black screen and can no longer see the mister menu anymore. Idk just a theory.

jolly turret
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@wanton sun @chrome quest I'm testing the composite blend test core right now and noticed that enabling this feature will actually nudge the image very slightly to the right. I didn't compare it to the console, but it seems to take care of the image position being slightly shifted to the left. Could it be that enabling this feature is the fix for the shited image?

latent dagger
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not sure if you can simply just copy/paste the existing line of text for the game and then only change the checksum on it in order to have lines for both unmoddified and moddified roms.

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probably can though

solar slate
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that said, the way of distribution of the patches is horrible!

latent dagger
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You didn't say anything about original hardware in your post, and with the way you worded things it wasn't clearly implied either.

and ultimately I am having a hard time deciphering the entire point of your post so let's try this below to help get some clarification:

What exactly is the issue here:

  • That the game boots but doesn't properly load the patches?
  • That the game doesn't boot at all when you add those two patches specifically?
  • That the patches themselves aren't complete and you are asking if anyone with experience is willing to take a look at them to essentially update them?
solar slate
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I asked for romhackers with experience to look at the broken hacks.

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the first sentences 🙂

latent dagger
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OK, so the game loads fin on MiSTer even with those two patches applied, just that the patches themselves don't work, or have issues.

solar slate
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no that is not what I wrote

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I wrote that the two patches wont work at all as flips is reporting them as broken

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that was not the case with a older version flips btw

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in older versions it was patched but resulted in a corrupted rom. But since ips patching was never ideal for N64 I was not sure what was to blame.

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Pengwen, I just checked my original message. The info that the two patches in question are ondeed broken is not in my original message. I wrote that last night to the creator of that patches but forgot to add that here, sorry.

latent dagger
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so to be clear, you try to apply the two patches and it gives you an error in your patcher saying it can't patch? @solar slate

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or that they do apply, but don't work as intended?

solar slate
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yes the latest version of flips reports them directly as broken. Must be a new feature

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oh we can not have the links to the patches here it seems

latent dagger
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oop. looks like the bot did not like you posting whatever that was lol

solar slate
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World_(U)-Multi_Trophy_Girl.ips
World(U)-_Fuchsia_Starting_girl.ips

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these are broken

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the rest works

latent dagger
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the file I linked above has all patches applied. please check it

solar slate
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with the girls too?

latent dagger
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all patches listed in that forum post

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so yes

solar slate
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okay lets see

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have you corrected the CRC?

latent dagger
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I don't think it's necessary. I checked the database file, and it doesn't bother to have any info attached to it.

solar slate
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it is 🙂

latent dagger
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give me a moment

solar slate
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i have already

latent dagger
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1a295abf

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that's the new CRC.

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if there is a way to change the CRC of the ROM itself I wouldn't know how lol. the patcher I use doesn't give me such options.
and I don't know where in the database file to add that if that is where I do that.

solar slate
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serves me purpose for 20 years now

latent dagger
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ah ok. I assume you already took care of that though lol

solar slate
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i did

latent dagger
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good to know about this tool. might help me if/when I want to use some hacks on N64 games in the future.

solar slate
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okay so your rom does not work without corrected crc but it works when corrected

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what did you use to patch the rom?

latent dagger
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it has code on github too if you wanted to host your own build

solar slate
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ah okay that is good

green epoch
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Careful with this stuff. If Robby catches you dealing, he will call the police

latent dagger
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I don't know what you're talking about 👀

green epoch
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I saw nothing

solar slate
latent dagger
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according to the info of the starting girl patch, starting girl has original costume. you can always load up the patched and unpatched version to see any differences there.
and trophy girl is supposed to be alternating costumes, so you would have to win some trophies in the original to see what the girls look like there, then win some trophies in patched to see if they are different.

solar slate
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thats the thing, there is no starting girl at all.

latent dagger
solar slate
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I switched already between patched and upatched

latent dagger
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different game mode or something?