Nintendo 64

[raw scroll]

k thanks

[trail swallow]

Fun fact: The VA for Woody blew out his voice saying that line

Also, the funniest thing of 2024 was Wild Woody making a reappearance in a porn racing game, of all things.

[vapid moat]

... what

I mean I guess that makes sense considering the ending of the original game

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2900500/Shady_Lewd_Kart__Wild_Woody_Character_Pack/

Steam

Shady Lewd Kart - Wild Woody Character Pack

Wild Woody joins Shady Lewd Kart as a FREE DLC! A lost and forgotten character from the era of bargain bin games. This crazy pencil has sketched his way into Shady Lewd Kart thanks to the blessing from his former creators. Forgotten by a big gaming company he is here to get the lead out!Pack Includes-Fully Playable Racer: Wild Woody-Voiced by or...

▶ Play video

Oh my God its real

The OG VA has clearly aged since

[raw oriole]

Well, that's the oddest thing I've seen today

[trail swallow]

One of those events where truth really does seem stranger than fiction.

[gritty basalt]

I feel that there's a wood chipper joke in here somewhere...

[topaz otter]

This is the fate of all over the hill videogame mascots

[zinc dew]

Can’t wait to see where Ardy Lightfoot makes his next appearance.

[vapid moat]

https://youtu.be/W1x6XnTaN28

Well this is highly surprising

[dusty tusk]

"3 lewd CGs"

[vapid moat]

Yeah I tried to already forget about that

[topaz otter]

i wish that I hadn't clicked on that link

also that guys voice has aged terribly

they should have paid john st jon to do wild woody, now I'd pay money to hear that

[drowsy lantern]

Playing Pokémon Snap for the first time ever and uh…

Do I??

[topaz otter]

with the recent pokemon leaks that question has many meanings

[trail swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/octillery-cooking-takoyaki-pokemon-gif-24927987

[lament escarp]

In black & white there is a book in the library that states that humans and pokemon used to get married.

[vapid moat]

---

We tried to go awat from an awkward to topic yet here we are in another

[gritty basalt]

"Hey honey, rather than spend an arm and leg on tailoring a wedding dress, how about you hold onto this Mega Stone for me?"

[zinc dew]

It’s a neat little game. I had fun going to Blockbuster and printing out some stickers from my game save. It was a pretty interesting concept at the time.

[deft tree]

I wish I could find some of my old printouts I’m surprised none surfaced when my parents moved out of their place a couple years ago

[vapid moat]

Curious when to revisit Snap...

Maybe after I get bigger SD Card and be able to add a recommended games pack for N64-roms

[pallid moth]

is the latest n64 core version available via update all or do I still have to download the rbf manually from here?

[spare meadow]

The one available via update_all is the latest one. The one you need to download manually is the N64 Turbo Core

You can download the latest Turbo Core here:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/tree/main/releases_turbo

[swift veldt]

whats up, after running the update all script when setting up the mister the n64 core won't boot into a game. I checked the n64 folder in the games folder and there are no boot.rom files

where do I find these files?

[latent dagger]

Do you even need one for N64?

[swift veldt]

I think so, I have the core and the rom, it recognizes the rom but doesn't boot into the game

[latent dagger]

ignoring my two folders and the test suite, do you have the two boot roms and the database file?

[swift veldt]

yeah I have the database file, it downloaded with update all

missing boot.rom and boot1.rom

thanks for the help so far

[latent dagger]

you need to enable the option to download bios files in update_all

that's the only thing I can think of that might be the issue

[swift veldt]

ok, wasn't aware of that option thought that was by default

I'll go rerun the script now, thanks

[junior pine]

Do you guys know if the Mario 64 b3313 hack works on the core?
I recall reading something like that recently, but I can't find anything now.

[weary beacon]

a console-compatible version of that hack was released recently. it probably works

[latent dagger]

If it works on console it should work on the core

[junior pine]

Where did you read about the release? I am sure I read about it but I can't find any mentions online

[weary beacon]

https://youtu.be/27KEXLMP4ko?si=p-vW9WhSblAKv9z_

[junior pine]

Many many thanks for that!!

[mortal panther]

I tested it. It loads and plays just fine.

[vapid moat]

I recommend using Turbo core to deal with slowdowns on larger areas

[weary beacon]

makes sense

[zealous knot]

I use the turbo core by default, love it. Haven't hit any issues at all yet, and if I do then the benefit it all games out weighs any issue that might pop up on specific areas of specific games

[zinc dew]

Or embrace the slowdown like Miyamoto intended!

[turbid wigeon]

To be fair for Majora's mask and banjo tooie I don't use turbo

Cutscenes where made with slowdown in mind

[candid panther]

Tooie is designed to work fine at variable frame rates, including cutscenes. If you use the 60fps patch and the turbo core, you easily get 40-60fps in many locations. And the cutscenes are fine. It significantly improves the game. I remember in 2001 when I first got it, even then the framerate was horrific in many areas and that was the era of 17fps PAL titles.

Majora's Mask and Ocarina have real janky 30fps patches though to their detriment. Those fuck up the game in hilarious ways, including wrecking cutscenes.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, game time and logic is tied to frame rate which isn’t good.

[candid panther]

Yeah it's why the pc port of Zelda 64 decided on interpolation for higher framerates

[zinc dew]

Smart movie, otherwise that would’ve taken some serious work to redo.

[turbid wigeon]

Isn't the intro fucked music timing wise? It's why people prefer the n64 version

[candid panther]

I'm talking about the N64 version

I know the xbla version had issues

However you might be right, I'm basically at the end of the game! I don't remember any issues but it was a while ago.

I'll give the initial cutscene another go later

[turbid wigeon]

Wasn't the timing issue due to xbla not lagging?

My bet is the turbo core will match xbla instead of n64

[mellow raft]

How could it when the turbo core is still N64 hardware and xbla is not. The timing becomes a non-issue I bet, because the entirety of hardware is still kept in sync (minus the technical issues the turbo core introduces separate from this) The xbla version becomes a problem because it's modified in software, but the turbo core affects the hardware natively.

The xbla version would fall under the same issues emulation produces. But the N64 core shouldn't have as many compatibility issues. Some of the games have been shy of amazing on the turbo core without the speedup bugs emulation has, in my experience

[turbid wigeon]

I'm talking about the intro cutscenes desync, where the music plays at a constant rate but because it doesn't lag it desyncs

The music doesn't speed up on the turbo core

Hence, "I bet the turbo core would have the same issue with the into cutscenes timing as xbla"

[mellow raft]

The game doesn't speed up from what I've seen. The framerate is just increased.

[turbid wigeon]

I'm saying that the intro doesn't slow down on xbla/turbo compared to native clocks

Gameplay is dynamic FPS, the intro cutscene isnt

[mellow raft]

Yes... My point is in my experience it increases framerate without changing frame time.

I'll have to test when I get home. But I don't recall seeing an issue.

What I mean is in my experience the turbo core increases framerate without desyncing because it doesn't change the speed of the game itself.

[turbid wigeon]

🤦‍♂️ cus tooie is dynamic FPS ingame

The beginning cutscene isnt

[mellow raft]

Sorry... You've said that multiple times. Wasn't clicking.

Worth testing I suppose.

[turbid wigeon]

I can't word it any other way, on the n64 the intro cutscene slows down when it laggs

On the turbo core it doesn't lag therefore doesn't slow down

[mellow raft]

You mean the one post-new game or the title screen?

[vapid hawk]

The audio gets out of sync right ? Dk64 is the same

[turbid wigeon]

New game.

[turbid wigeon]

YES

[vapid hawk]

It’s because they timed the audio for the real hardware with slowdown

[mellow raft]

Kind of odd how I would have forgotten something like that. I loved tooie growing up.

[turbid wigeon]

OOT has something similar, can't remember what cutscenes music gets cut short if it doesn't lag

Something involving the moon

[mellow raft]

Thanks for your patience.

[turbid wigeon]

It's fine lol, I'm used to helping in the virtual desktop server. At least it was something I was slightly passionate about instead of "have you tried doing the thing I gave you step by step instructions for yet"

TBF "the cutscene needs slowdown for the music to be timed right" would have been an easyer way of explaining that

[rich warren]

I should learn how to hack N64 roms to fix Monster Truck Madness 64 on the MiSTer. No one will care if I fail

[mellow raft]

Gotcha

[turbid wigeon]

https://youtu.be/hNmUcHv6at8

TIL tooie is more fucked than I thought on xbla.

And I'm more nostalgic to xbla -_-

[magic girder]

Since the MiSTer version replicates the N64, and Rare Replay runs on the Xbox Series X - that makes the MiSTer officially better than the Xbox Series X

[zinc dew]

Honestly, that's not so bad. For all the improvements it brings, I'm ok with those trade-offs.

[turbid wigeon]

The XSX is emulating the 360 though

Rare replay isn't a native port on one and series

[zinc dew]

Code Monkeys did the N64 emulator

I think

[turbid wigeon]

Oh right conker is emulated n64

If only classic backwards compatibility was out, they could have used live and reloaded

[magic girder]

I know. I was just messing around for comedic effect

[turbid wigeon]

Fair

[topaz otter]

it was a native port on the original xbox though right

because they overhauled the graphics and did some other stuff

they also took all the nintendo logos out of it and replaced them

[magic girder]

“Improvements”? You mean the things that weren’t as Miyamoto intended?

[topaz otter]

yeah like color graphics and stereo sound

https://tenor.com/view/diou-yes-gif-21525079

[turbid wigeon]

live and reloaded was a remake, kazooie and tooie where ports to the 360

[zinc dew]

My apologies to all our fallen friends who we'll miss dearly. Take solace that we won't forget your brave sacrifices to ⁠Nintendo 64 and may our paths cross again in the future.

LET THE CULLING COMMENCE

[quick light]

F

[zinc dew]

IT IS DONE!

[magic girder]

Survived!

[mortal panther]

🇫

[high reef]

Hello!

Ok, down to business.

[magic girder]

You made it! (Again?)

[high reef]

Super Mario 64 ROM hacks. Is there a list of hacks that are known to work on MiSTer?

I tried a few that were supposedly N64 compatible on MiSTer last night and had very mixed results.

[magic girder]

Yes, a partial one. I posted it somewhere…

[high reef]

Some worked flawlessly, some worked but were visibly slowed down, and some refused to load.

[magic girder]

#1096015979055697940 message

[high reef]

I also got all 120 stars for the first time ever the other day, and it was on MiSTer.

[high reef]

Thank you!

[languid dune]

Are Code Monkeys the official developer of MiSTer general-banter? 🐒

[zinc dew]

[weary beacon]

https://romhacking.com/hacks romhacking.com has a pretty extensive list of SM64 hacks, and each one has a console compatibility rating. anything that works on console should work on the mister core

[high reef]

Not in my experience. For example, Peach's Fury is listed as console compatible, but doesn't load on MiSTer.

[weary beacon]

weird. just tried it, and it loaded up with distorted audio and an out-of-sync signal. i've heard of other console-compatible hacks working on mister though, so i guess it's just on a per-game basis

[mortal panther]

Peach's Furry? 👀

[magic girder]

For some of them I think there are very specific versions of the patch which are console compatible

It would be good to get a proper list with the latest versions of all the patches (some in my list are kinda old)

[high reef]

Correct.

[chrome quest]

Anyone else been playing Gen 2 Pokemon games via N64 SNAC with Stadium 2?
Just checking if anyone else gets the "loading" pause as you do things in game. Like check a summary screen, move to a new route, etc. Only if you play a Gen 2 game through Stadium 2.
I'm fairly sure I've always had those pauses on original hardware too, but the few videos showing Gen2 GB Tower online never seem to have this pausing. There is a "load min/max" option in GB Tower, but I've always got little blips of pausing for loading even with load max.
Running PAL Stadium 2 should that perhaps be why.... Anyone have a similar experience?

[wanton sun]

i would guess the memory of the n64 isn't large enough to cover the full rom, because it makes no use of the expansion pak?

[chrome quest]

That would sound sensible alright. It's just the videos on YouTube stating real hardware (and there does not appear to be many of them) don't seem to have this frequent pausing so I wonder what might be different. It didn't seem to me it would be PAL/NTSC difference.

[winged garden]

I'm using a switch pro controller (wanna buy snac adapter) for n64 core and it's impossible to get the right (C) stick working correctly, when I'm aiming I'm also moving in GE. Someone already experienced this?

[zinc dew]

Is this a controller issue you’re running into or is it a game setting issue?

[winged garden]

I dont know i have tested all different configs on osd (controller pak, default stettings etc...) and the result is always the same

my controller is brand new

[hushed nova]

the c-stick not working or being weird thing is usually some sort of mapping issue

well the mapping issue is usually the person doing the mapping, lol. what are you mapping to the C buttons?

[molten silo]

Specifically I believe it's a mapping issue on the main mister level not the core. If memory serves me correctly you need to map the right analog to the c buttons

[hushed nova]

gonna have to dig out my switch pro and fix this too, lol

[molten silo]

If it's wrong in the main you'll never get it working on the core itself, right

So try remapping main then go into core and define the buttons

[hushed nova]

maybe. all the main mapping is really doing for this is telling it which analog axis is left stick vs right stick

and there's already a gamecontrollerdb entry for it, unless those axes are wrong

[vapid hawk]

what exactly are you trying to do?

just map the right stick to the c-buttons?

i ask because goldeneye and perfect dark have an insane amount of controller options you could be attempting

[winged garden]

I tried almost everything (if not everything) I guess

[rich warren]

Might be worth deleting everthing for the controller in /config/inputs and remapping both in the MiSTer menu and the core

Basically a fresh restart

[zealous hull]

Has anybody else had issues with saving in the console-compatible B3313?

This is what my line is in the database file, but the warning still pops up that it cannot save--and yeah. It can't.

9af37d2d21926ca753afd4d3ada2d6cc ntsc|cic6102|eeprom512

I imagine there is some difference between this and Vanilla?

[iron dove]

which version? this one saves OK for me (didnt need to edit the N64-database.txt)
https://romhacking.com/hack/b3313-unabandoned

@zealous hull

'b3313 unabandoned [a2 anniversary edition].bps'

[zealous hull]

Nearly positive I used that version, but I will re-patch. 🙂

Thanks for the sanity check.

[chrome pier]

I cant map a switch pro controller to the n64 core, im not sure what im doing wrong

Thr analog stick only goes down

It doesnt even ask me to map the stick

[rich warren]

You don't map the n64 analog stick, just the buttons. You can map the second stick to the C buttons

[wanton sun]

you need to map in mister main, not inside the core

[chrome pier]

Already did yeah. i just remapped it in core in a game and it worked despite not doing anything different

Weird

Maybe the main core mapping wasnt done properly

Main mister i mean

[wanton sun]

yes, please try again to map the stick in mister main, then don't touch it while mapping in the core

[chrome pier]

Ok now mario punches and kicks constantly even though the mapping seems fine

In sm64

[wanton sun]

could it be that you are on a old linux version?

[chrome pier]

Its a misterpi so it cant be that old right

And ive used updateall recently

[wanton sun]

yes, that rules it out

constant kicks would mean something presses the b button, which most likely is the analog stick being mapped to it

[chrome pier]

Im definitely not touching the stick when im binding buttons

Is there a way to make sure the assignments are truly cleaned

[wanton sun]

you can delete them

there is a file, one second

config/input/n64_xxxxxxxx.map

[chrome pier]

Ok ill give that a go!

Ty :)

[wanton sun]

what i would also try: reboot your mister and try to navigate in the OSD (without starting the core) with the analog stick + a/b

this will tell you it's mapped correct in mister main

[chrome pier]

Yeah theres no issues with that

[latent dagger]

my PS5 and PS4 controllers weren't mapped properly from the start despite every other input working for the most part. had to go in and use a keyboard to skip over irrelevant stuff to get to the mapping of the second analog stick because not so intuitively it's not the first thing you do right after mapping the first stick when doing mappings on mister main

at least that's how I remember it going down some time ago.

[iron dove]

yeah, not performing the mapping all the way to the end (in main menu) can deff cause issues
space on KB or user button on mister to skip the ones you dont need like mouse

[weary beacon]

The test version update to support Rumble pack is released .
Please update your MF103 to V1.03.24.09
Click the link below to download the firmware and run it on Windows .
https://www.mayflash.com/upload/file/Update_H40013_MAYFLASH_V1.03.24.09_20230613.exe

Double click on the updater and leave the updater window open on your screen

Press and hold the HOME button on the adapter, and connect the USB from your adapter in o any spare port on your PC.

As soon as the driver window indicates under “Device” that the adapter has been recognized, you may release the button.

select “update”.

Do not disconnect the device until you are informed that the updated was completed successfully.

Happy New Year.

[weary palm]

Is this the Temple of Peip? 🛕

[weary palm]

As long as they don't alter the header and/or bootcode, the "smart" detector will figure it out. I'm one of the devs behind it, no brag.

[iron dove]

super handy feature 🙂
ID is still 'NSM' in my patched ROM so it just works

[wind cobalt]

I'm experiencing a soft lock with Zelda OOT on the latest n64 non-turbo core. Seems to crash at the end of the intro sequence. Always at the same spot. Exactly when the scene transitions into the next after going into the tree trunk at the end. Could it be a bad rom perhaps? Any way to diagnose it's not faulty hardware or anything? (Doubt it is, since I can still access the menu and navigate etc, seems just the core stops)

[weary beacon]

i would try another rom first, just to see if it's any different

maybe a different revision/region of oot for example

[wind cobalt]

I verified the rom to be at least a verified dump (hashes match the DAT for n64 no-intro)

I'll check some other titles too.

[vapid moat]

And here I already bought the Raphnet Adapter for the Rumble Pak support...

(Now I guess less latency isn't bad per say but you know - I was feeling the rumble support was not gonna come forever)

[vapid hawk]

what adapter is that referring to?

[candid panther]

Watching old home videos - two awesome Xmas N64 memories

First is the Xmas I got an N64 near launch, I unwrap a blockbuster rental of pilot wings 64 and slowly realise the next present is an N64. I wave it around a lot

The next is 1998, ocarina of time. It looks like I had got to the Ice Cavern by new year's day!

When digitising all the old home video hi8 tapes, the various games I got and played in a lot of them seriously helped with putting things into date order

[vapid moat]

Raphnet's N64 USB Adapter

[chrome quest]

Not sure if the others can do similar to Raphnet, but other handy features are still there, like import/export of TPak and CPak data between original hardware and the core

[candid panther]

I just use snac for N64. Easiest way to use my original pads, and all my original accessories. The memory paks, rumble paks all work as they should. I can play Pokémon stadium on the MiSTer core with my Pokémon Gameboy carts and a transfer pak

I honestly don't see a better option for the N64, as the controller pak options are so extensive. I can use my original tremor Pak I got in 1997.

One adapter, four pads. Sorted, and literally zero lag.

Oh yeah the Tetris Bio sensor works with SNAC too, as does the Hey you Pikachu VMU

As useless as it is

As does the game boy camera in mario studio

I was using it this weekend and was surprised it just...worked

[vapid moat]

I'm not looking for as extensive use of peripherals for N64-core (especially since it can't implement real-time clock to make proper use of TP features of Pokemon Stadium 2), so Raphnet Adapter + Rumble Pak is currently enough

But man, ton of accessories you've accumulated, awesome

[candid panther]

Been playing it for nigh on 28 years, I've accumulated a lot of N64 crap 🤣

It's just neat to have something like this that works like my old console, but better. I've been playing N64 since launch year here in the UK, and the turbo core is hands down the best way I've experienced N64. SNAC makes it feel totally authentic as I can use everything I had before and it just works as it should

I have no regrets selling my old fantastic N64 I installed an ultra hdmi into. Especially when it was before this core launched and got me a neat £1k.

[vagrant ivy]

Turbo is a fantasy N64 though its nothing like the original

[candid panther]

Doesn't matter to me - I grew up with the original, and this feels like a theoretical 'N64 Pro'

I can play banjo tooie at 40-60fps and it feels like it should. I'm happy.

[vagrant ivy]

its just amuses me that people scream for accuracy then accept turbo cores

[candid panther]

It's not like hacky emulation

I dont

I scream for authenticity. Low lag and as close to the original experience as possible.

[vagrant ivy]

but its not authentic in any way

[candid panther]

And also, on top of that, enhancements

That feel authentic, if you catch my drift. In a way standard hacks and emulation dont

The turbo core does. It just allows N64 games to play better, but it still feels like N64.

[vagrant ivy]

oce you go turbo you may as well go SW emualtion and 4k

[candid panther]

Nope

[vagrant ivy]

but thats only my opinion

[candid panther]

Not in my eyes

Yep it depends on what you want

N64 turbo feels like an extra ram pak to me

Feels authentic enough. I'm happy

[vagrant ivy]

If I want a turbo option then I go SW. I play PSX on duckstation, texture corrected and at 4k

[elfin depot]

Turbo core is amazing, I usually fire it up first (I use a CRT so 4k has no draw for me) and if the game works great in the turbo core, which most do, that's how I play.

[candid panther]

Same here but I cannot for N64. Just can't.

I cannot do emulation with N64 unless it's something like the ocarina of time port with enough mods to make it it's own experience

Does not feel right. I don't get that with any other console

[zinc dew]

VASELINE OR BUST!!

If it’s not running at 12fps, are you really playing N64?????

[turbid wigeon]

I'm going to say something cursed, I prefer my PS1 with blurry 3D textures.

Bilinear just looks better than point in most senatios. Only jank I've seen from that is UJL and parappa the rapper where the melodi icons blur when they jump.

[dusty tusk]

It depends on the system/game. I'm totally okay with quake or half life filtering textures. Even more so for N64, because the resolution on those textures are often lower than NES sprites, especially for grass.

[dusty tusk]

I'm weird though, I'll play tomb raider unfiltered on PS1 and then filter it on PC.

[latent dagger]

I use the texture filter option at 50% for pretty much all games on PSX Core on a CRT.

I've tried playing N64 games without the texture filtering on the core and it's so jank lolol

[zinc dew]

It is wonderful you heathens have options to continue practicing your heathenry. 🙏☺️

[dusty tusk]

Option to use int instead of float for vertices when. I like my polygons jiggly

[mossy vector]

i think that the vertexes on the N64 are converted to signed 16-bit before being sent to the RDP, but that's neither here nor there as it messes with the narrative. The point being that there is a fractional and whole number part after rotation, regardless of being fixed-point or floating point.

[dusty tusk]

I guess I'll just have to induce polygon wobble with a holiday appropriate drink 🍷

[raw oriole]

Works for composite blur too

[magic girder]

RF is the morning after

[deft tree]

here's some light watching to familiarize yourself on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsXCVsDFiXA

(the super technical float video is only 10 minutes so its not nearly as funny)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hdFG2GcNuA

[topaz otter]

reminder that it took call of duty 18 years before they had fish AI that could swim away from the player

mario 64 was ahead of its time

and call of duty still doesn't have an eel with a star on the end of his tail

[green epoch]

checkmate activision

[iron wren]

They really need to get with the times in this specific regard 😕

[woeful grove]

no it isnt

[cunning mantle]

That became the Analogue 64:

https://www.ultrafp64.com/

[upper pivot]

Did they confirm that? It sounds plausible but are we just guessing?

[cunning mantle]

Robert said something, he was in contact with Mazamar during the Mister core work.

[cold pollen]

how could I forget about that, whatever happened? I think the status it says there has been that way for like months or more?

[cerulean elk]

It’s like the most confirmed unconfirmed fact out there

[zinc dew]

I’m making the Analogue core

I am Robtris64

[mortal panther]

Flextris

[topaz otter]

i hope this is one of those pictures that you stare at it and the 3d image appears

[kind mountain]

Finally settling in to playing games with the new controllers and new TV

HDR on with one of the standard video processing presets. Seems pretty good to me

[topaz otter]

all these kids nowadays and their 4k and deblurring hacks

its not mario 64 unless you can count the pixels

I used to like it when we played it on grandma's tv through the RF adapter

the red used to bleed so bad when mario ran he looked like the flash

[weak hill]

whats your opinion so far, for the saffun controllers!

?

[turbid wigeon]

You can count the real pixels, you aren't rendering the n64 right then, it should be smeared horizontally as a form of early anti aliasing

[kind mountain]

So far so good. Wish the sticks touched the octagonal gate

[blissful wolf]

since the thumbstick can be pulled off I wonder if something could be 3d printed or even just wrapped around them so it's thick enough to touch the gates

like shelve

[kind mountain]

Oh shit good thought

Maybe I’ll see if I can print a sleeve

[zinc dew]

omg keep me posted

[storm vessel]

You couldn't count the pixels even when it was back then. It was always blurry 😉

[kind mountain]

I found a replacement stick on thingiverse

Gonna print it and see where it puts me

[glass walrus]

have a couple saffun controllers, both my usb receivers died but fortunately the amazon seller sent new ones free of charge so been pretty happy with them, a 3d printed gate or phat stick that touches would be nice

[kind mountain]

Guessing this won’t be any thicker than stock but maybe will luck out and it is enough

[glass walrus]

does the gate come off the saffun controllers? not at them atm

[kind mountain]

The gate doesn’t but the stick does

I mean with enough effort the gate will come off 🤪

[glass walrus]

seems like a fun project if it pops off, modeling a new "accurate" one doesn't look to hard... maybe a tear down is in order

[kind mountain]

I’ll add a bit of a collar like this if the stick isn’t thick enough. Just have to make sure I don’t limit max travel

[glass walrus]

probably needs to be closer to base where it will actually touch the gate

[kind mountain]

Yeah I need to get my controller from the basement just spitballing atm

Off this meeting in 32 mins… I hope

Humm not sure I like how this feels. But should be able to prove out the idea with it at least

[zinc dew]

CHONKY

[blissful wolf]

might need to print with the thumbstick part facing up so it can be convex a bit

and hope for overhangs to cooperate

[kind mountain]

It def is chonkier then the stock stick

Yeah I think the move is to get a collar of some kind for the stock stick but I’m really bad at 3d stuff so I’m taking the path of least resistance right now lol

[glass walrus]

ifixit has a teardown to replace the stick on these.. looks like the collar could probably be printed and replaced without to much effort

who knows if that would even feel right lol but sounds fun

[zinc dew]

There’s some dead zone thing that @blissful wolf got banned for

[blissful wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-jailed-jail-cage-gif-12742508553562715694

the crime is that its cross deadzone instead of inside the center radius

[glass walrus]

collar wouldnt fix everything but being able to rest in a groove seems like it would help

[zinc dew]

I love this gif. Also sorry I keep bringing it up, it’s just hilarious that some weirdo would get mad over that. I thought you did an awesome job researching it myself.

[blissful wolf]

no mods no masters

[kind mountain]

So it def hits the gates some vs the stock stick

[blissful wolf]

hows the range? tried the stick testing rom yet?

[zinc dew]

On the MiSTer all analog values are automatically clamped to perfect N64 values.

But that means if the range is reduced it would show up

Nevermind lol

[topaz otter]

This looks good, spray it with some of that textured truck bed spray paint

It's waterproof

[kind mountain]

That works ok. I think it needs to be a bit higher to fall into the gate more

Oh. That’s gatey 😍

You can hear it lol

Not great tho

[zinc dew]

Lol were you drunk when doing the top right?

[kind mountain]

lol

Probably needs to be tapered properly instead of a cylinder with a hole in the middle

[zinc dew]

You’re doing the retro lord’s work! 🫡

[topaz otter]

the actual n64 stick is concave at the top I think

you should figure out how to make the stick out of clear resin in and then fiber optic strands inside of it

so it can flash in RGB colors

[blissful wolf]

Maybe a faster test is just trying to wrap tape around the top to see how much thickness it would actually need

[junior yarrow]

I was looking at this controller, might grab one

[weak hill]

i bought a pair of those, when i get them i will try them with golden eye, wave race and smash bros

i hope they do well in those games

[junior yarrow]

I could compare it directly against my NSO N64 controller too

[forest hatch]

Why when I try to load a game its just a black screen

[vagrant ivy]

you havent downloaded the bios files

[forest hatch]

how do you download that? I got the mister pi and they downloaded all the stuff on the sd card for me thought all i had to do is add roms

[vagrant ivy]

update all. when it starts push up to explore the options

If you check the /games/N64 directory if you dont have boot.rom, boot1.rom and boot2.rom you are missing the bios files

[forest hatch]

yea i dont have those

[vagrant ivy]

without them the N64 cant start

[forest hatch]

oh thats why

i went into system settings and only saw an option for update not update all

i tried update znd that didnt work

[vagrant ivy]

download update _all from github

[forest hatch]

oh ok

[vagrant ivy]

https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer

when you run it push up

and explore the options

NOTE dont randomly choose things you dont know what they do

as you can cause chaos

but it should be obvious whats needed

[forest hatch]

ok i will try this now

[forest hatch]

what options should i pick once i press up

[vagrant ivy]

you are missing bios files .

[tender pine]

So the update_all script is running back to normal again is it? I only say this as for the longest while it wasn't collecting enough required files and was running very, very slowly.

[vagrant ivy]

that was nothing to do with update_all

it was due to the Internet Archive being down

[tender pine]

Sorry. I didn't mean to imply it was a problem with said script. Just wondering if now both script and AI are running in harmony once more...

[tender pine]

Not AI lol...IA.

[vagrant ivy]

IA is working again

but its always going to be vulnerable to morons who DDS

[zinc dew]

They provide you with the official MiSTer repo, which doesn’t include any copyrighted materials. That’s the difference.

[undone oak]

Has anyone came across the n64 turbo core not displaying any picture? Normal core works fine and turbo core worked fine a few weeks ago🤔

[zinc dew]

No, it’s something on your end. Delete your configs and try again.

[undone oak]

Wonder what’s happened. I’ll try deleting tho configs tho. Cheers

[zinc dew]

Sorry, I hope my response didn’t sound flippant. It being on your end means it’s an easy solution so it’s good news.

I would try that rom on the normal core first just to be sure.

Also that’s a pretty cool Indonesian flag you got on your TV 🇮🇩

[undone oak]

I just toggled between the clean hdmi output and VI video output and it works perfectly. Oops

[zinc dew]

Was it the toggling that worked or does the game just not want to work on one of those modes?

[wanton sun]

if you start up the core with it already active, the core or the scaler doesn't work properly. Have not researched this yet

[tender pine]

Wrong way orientated for the Indonesian flag...

[zinc dew]

Gotta tilt your head!

[undone oak]

Think it’s the Tate version

[tender pine]

Ah. Now I see it...

[mossy vector]

You'll never unsee the dark texel in the fence.

Now that I've pointed it out

[upper pivot]

Is that a core bug?

[mossy vector]

It's more like how the core is working correctly.

[latent dagger]

Ew, is that light mode?

[topaz otter]

oh I'm pushing all the buttons now

[latent dagger]

🤢

[topaz otter]

Tim's comments come out extra white for some reason

[latent dagger]

It's fine. The only real issue I'm personally having is how much it hurts my eyes to look at his name color 😂

[topaz otter]

you should try reading his posts

[latent dagger]

Colors all look fine with a theme on

But that white with that color of his name is just nasty

[topaz otter]

it was the snip tool in windoze 10, it messes up the colors in discord

[latent dagger]

Should be using sharex

Highly recommend

[topaz otter]

oh wait I think its becuse I had HDR on

[latent dagger]

That'll do it.

HDR to SDR tone mapping is not that great lol

[topaz otter]

yep that fixed it, HDR messed it up

[latent dagger]

Much better

I didn't think I'm ever going to jump into the HDR bandwagon for PC. Just too much hassle

HDR on my TV is fine

Movies and console games

[topaz otter]

my tv is capable of it so I switch it on for pc games and then turn it off

it messes up game streaming also if you are streaming it to a non HDR tv

the HDR is actually on the video stream and not on the tv

[latent dagger]

Yeah, and Windows HDR itself is just broken

So I don't bother

[zinc dew]

I don’t see it

[cold pollen]

Me either

We're blind brothers

[vast delta]

Which preset??

[kind mountain]

Hummmm

Can’t remember now, maybe one of the displays one?

[vast delta]

Looks awesome

[zinc dew]

Was it 5th gen? 👀

[kind mountain]

Maybe. Or maybe 2 or 3rd

With HDR enabled

[zinc dew]

🥹

[kind mountain]

Played lots of WWF No Mercy tonight

Now that I have the right controllers I can enjoy these games again lol

[fossil umbra]

..why did video game esoterica say the n64 core got updated this weekend? what did I miss?

[wanton sun]

there was no change

[latent dagger]

this weekend? Robert did do that thing with the core like a week or two ago

and it was just some thing to do with a borked texture in RE2 for the most part

I think anyways.

[fossil umbra]

thank you for confirming that I am not crazy

I don't get why his videos make those claims sometimes.

[sullen harbor]

He sometimes just basically mad libs video descriptions from older videos. I've asked for it to stop multiple times because I got just as confused lol

[fickle yew]

I love BigPP Esoterica but I've been fooled many times into thinking there was a core update because of his videos

now I just assume when I see a video talking about new core improvements it's relating to a core I;ve downloaded and messed around with weeks ago

[turbid warren]

VGE's description confuses the hell outta me too lmao. to confirm, the latest turbo core is from September right?

[fickle yew]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/tree/main/releases_turbo

[turbid warren]

ah cool, thanks. looks like i got that one. i only thought September was the latest one cause that's the latest one that shows up in test builds lol

[cerulean elk]

It ran out of order

Holiday schedules are impossible so dates shifted

It was made the same day the core update vid was made and was meant to run shortly after but then the Christmas dump of 100 new projects occurred so I poked it further down the release schedule

[velvet nexus]

Dammit bacon! 😄

[cerulean elk]

lol thats what happens when everything happens all at once and I actually take a vacation

and even then I dragged my ass to my laptop and packed mic for the Lindbergh loader vid

[velvet nexus]

Which of you guys said bacon could have a vacation?!

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune said I could

but in reality I took off 12/24 to 1/3 (yesterday)

[velvet nexus]

Yeah, well, that is unacceptable

I love VGE 🙂

[cerulean elk]

lol well I still kept the videos coming...just on a pre-made basis

[velvet nexus]

Won't lie, I wonder sometimes if you're over selling the Saturn core...

[languid dune]

I said back to work with the Simpsons candy whip GIF!

[cerulean elk]

I made a video today! Goes live in about 90 seconds

[languid dune]

We shall see in 60 seconds!

[cerulean elk]

and its live

[languid dune]

Read my comment in the video! No forgiveness!

[green epoch]

Where is my dislike button?!

[green epoch]

I keep pressing it but the video is still there

[cerulean elk]

youll like it and youll LIKE it

[velvet nexus]

I don't like it...

[cerulean elk]

lol well it has the same 2 downvotes every video I release does within 2 minutes so I love there’s at least one dedicated person with two accounts or two dedicated people with one account who follow the release schedule so closely 🤣

[languid dune]

It's Robby and his doppelgänger Robbie.

[mortal panther]

Nah, one of them is always DrChocoboboNo.

[cerulean elk]

Robby and Blobby

[magic girder]

Which one is the evil one?

[green epoch]

It only counts as one? I have been pressing the dislike button for almost 90 minutes

Now you tell me

[cerulean elk]

Blobby is mean but flexes harder. Robby is nicer but his flex is weak

[inner isle]

Can the turbo N64 be a toggle on the normal core or does it need to be separate? Just curious more than anything.

[fickle yew]

I'm not sure if this is what you're asking but enabling turbo core from within standard core would be pretty slick tbh

Not that I'm asking for that

[magic girder]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Blobby

Absolute nightmare fuel, that guy

“In 1994, Millennium Interactive released Mr Blobby, a platform game based on the character for Amiga and MS-DOS. It was a reskinned version of the SNES game Super Troll Islands, also developed by Millennium. The game received negative reviews from critics.”

Playable on MiSTer!

[magic girder]

Nope - needs to be separate: #1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

Couldn’t be any more British if it tried

[languid dune]

Technically both.

[zinc dew]

[iron dove]

Miyamoto was Mr Blobby all this time

[weary palm]

Has anyone tried? https://romhacking.com/hack/return-to-yoshi-s-island-demo-2

[mossy vector]

It works. It does occasionally crash regular or turbo core.

Was just about to post the same.

As for play control, I do like being able to cancel the in air Z butt stomp.

[weary palm]

Well... I've seen it crash on his Youtube channel too. Kaze Emanuar, that is. 😅

But it's probably more prone to crashing in this core.

[iron dove]

does peach still seem unfazed that bowser jr thinks she's his mum

wow this is pretty damn impressive, the big slide in first world

[weary palm]

He's talented. Optimizing the crap out of that soon-to-be 30 year old game engine. Literally chasing microseconds.

It occasionally hits 60fps when not frame locked.

[inner isle]

Yeah bang on, sorry I left the turbo word out 😁

[inner isle]

Right good to know. Thanks for pointing me to the that.

[magic girder]

No problem 🙂

[zinc dew]

I blame this channel for my name change lmao

[paper orchid]

brb convincing raspberry pi to change their name to blackberry pi

[zinc dew]

I didn’t change it someone else did lmao

[errant steppe]

Yo guys, im having an issue in Majoras Mask where in the item menu its like almost impossible to select an item using my joystick, im using an 8bitdo Pro 2 controller. It just goes to the next window over instead of going over the items- And I just beat Ocarina of Time and i had no issues in the menus at all using this controller… any ideas?

[neat sierra]

You should photoshop Blobby with your arms flexing as your profile pic

[errant steppe]

I found my issue.. apparently when setting up N64 binds Left and Right dont actually refer to the Joystick it refers to the dpad and my joystick was already by default so it was doing both actions

[blissful wolf]

would be great if a future update renames those to "dpad left and right" as that often trips people up

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun is it possible to rename the up/left/right/down binds to "Dpad Up", Dpad Right", etc.? This has been a consistent source of confusion for all new users.

Nevermind, this a change for Main. Sorry!

[hushed nova]

that's a main change

[zinc dew]

Damn, really? Ok I'lll submit a Github issue and ping Sorg about it. Thanks!

[zinc dew]

@hushed nova Ok I spoke with Sorg. We had a good convo and he’s going to think about it. He brought up a lot of great points in regards to consistency with other cores and not wanting to implement a custom solution here that could be broken in other ways.

I’ll double check the readme to make sure it’s clearly identified that those initial inputs are for the N64’s dpad and if it isn’t submit a PR with that made more obvious.

Sorry, not to sound like I’m meddling. Just trying to help where I can.

[hushed nova]

why would it be a custom solution?

did you ask the wrong question?

[zinc dew]

No, he didn’t want to do anything unique

[hushed nova]

why would it be unique?

[zinc dew]

Not sure, I can send you a screen grab of our conversation through DMs. I might be misrepresenting his perspective.

[hushed nova]

did you specifically mention changing it for the n64 core?

[zinc dew]

Yes

[hushed nova]

well there's your problem

[zinc dew]

I also told Sorg that you said you were cooler than him. I told him I didn’t agree but that’s what you said.

[hushed nova]

the man can't argue with facts

[zinc dew]

why cant’t I troll you 😥

[hushed nova]

ya'll gotta learn how to approach him with this stuff. if you say 'people are fucking up the n64 mapping, we should change RIGHT LEFT etc to 'dpad right'' he's going to take that as 'we should change that for the n64 core'

when in fact we should just change it everywhere

[zinc dew]

Oh

[desert crow]

Zakk would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids

[zinc dew]

Yeah I guess that’s a good point. Sorry I didn’t think of it that way. I thought that sounded like too major a change.

Help me Zakk-Kenobi, you’re our only hope.

[languid dune]

Now change your avatar to the slime emoji, and the transformation will be complete!

[hushed nova]

it's literally four values in a static array in menu.cpp. not a huge change

[zinc dew]

Damn, if we only knew someone who was smart enough to change that other than Sorg.

👀

[hushed nova]

I tried it wouldn't compile

sorry

[zinc dew]

LOL fuk

YOU KNOW I CAN’T VERIFY THAT

[turbid warren]

looks at a command line prompt i'm at a loss

[hushed nova]

the error message was in russian and it looked rude

[zinc dew]

You know who could fix this? John Tobias Raspberry the Fifth.

[green epoch]

Our lord and savior

[hushed nova]

although there's no good name to change it to that is universal, so in a roundabout way he's right

[zinc dew]

You know what, no. I give up. I’ve been renamed to Blobby and had my flex removed. I’ve suffered enough humiliating defeats for the day!

[hushed nova]

ain't no d-pad on an amiga

[green epoch]

Guess it’s kind of a circle

[hushed nova]

that's a cd32, which is some weird loser thing

[green epoch]

32bits of amiga

[cerulean elk]

Just uploaded a vid for 4 today. New demo is just straight up super impressive

If only N64 games looked and performed that well in the 90s

[turbid warren]

less a pad more a disc

[cerulean elk]

Got it done before AGDQ starts and I’m sucked in

[turbid warren]

the d-disc

[magic girder]

I don’t have my MiSTer to hand, so can’t check this - but is there a “help” option available through the OSD for each core?

There’s been loads of times where people clearly haven’t read the GitHub readme, because the average user doesn’t go to GitHub.

Idea: I wonder if we could add a “help” option to the OSD which basically pulls text from a text file stored on the filesystem (which update_all could pull from GitHub - and could e.g. just be the readme)?

That way at least we can give consistent instructions “did you check the help?”

That may be loads of work - but I can maybe take a look if someone says it’s not a completely insane idea

It feels to me like there’s a usability gap, where the gap between docs and MiSTer might be a little too big.

That said, nobody reads docs anyway so… 😅

[hushed nova]

there's already a help option, and it can display pdfs/rtf/md/txt etc

but no one is going to read that

[magic girder]

Sweet. Thanks @hushed nova!

Probably not. But I can at least take a look at seeing if I can improve the help anyway

[hushed nova]

and I'd argue if you need to read documentation to successfully map a controller there is a completely different failure occurring

[magic girder]

Agree - but there are a few common things that come up every now and then (thinking about fixed hblank on PSX, for example)

So reviewing the docs probably isn’t a complete waste of time, and it’s something I can do to help 🙂

[woeful grove]

alan already did this

he put a lot of work into it

the fact that you dont know it's there demonstrates how good people are at using help options

[lament escarp]

I just tried the help function in the gameboy core and it literally black screened when I opened the readme. this is why we don't use help!

[vagrant ivy]

are you on CRT ?

[lament escarp]

Direct video and rt4k.

[vagrant ivy]

try it on HDMI

lack of resolution could be the issue

[lament escarp]

Yeah that works better

It isn't 4k though!

[vagrant ivy]

cant expect a low res CRT to display a PDF correctly

[magic girder]

In my defence I’ve never needed to use it because everything’s always worked perfectly for me 😄

But I agree that people often don’t use those kind of things when they can just come on discord and ask instead

[lament escarp]

Maybe it's because the help function on windows programs is so bad. I'd actually be more inclined to click it if it said readme. As I sometimes actually read these. If they're very short and I struggled for hours without. 😅

[vagrant ivy]

many people dont even read a file read this first

help is mostly a futile waste of time to write

[magic girder]

I disagree. You might not catch everyone, but you’ll help some people

As with everything it’s cost vs benefit

[vagrant ivy]

you help people who want to look up info, and they could find the info themselves

[magic girder]

Making things easier for anyone isn’t exactly a bad thing though

[errant steppe]

How is that the left joystick is already configured? I would assume it would also have me configure those when doing the binds

[vagrant ivy]

left is an analog stick

[wanton sun]

Sorg agreed to change it from e.g. Left to DPAD Left about a year ago when i asked him. Guess it just never happened

[inner isle]

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppets-muppet-angry-gif-4979240094074316588

[zinc dew]

Haha I guess he forgot

[hushed nova]

might be a good time to gently remind him 😉

[velvet nexus]

oh geeze, the muppets are revolting!

[mellow raft]

de @zinc dew

https://tenor.com/view/de-blob-de-blob-2-i-love-him-uaghhh-blob-my-love-blob-gif-13458604359618699305

[cold pollen]

So just out of curiosity I looked at the help option and it came up but wow was the text tiny. Can I make the text bigger in terminal or whatever it is? lol

[vagrant ivy]

Move closer to the screen !

[cold pollen]

that sounds dumb

I'm selling my MiSTer

[vagrant ivy]

cool

I will buy it for 5 sausages

[cold pollen]

six final offer

I know what I have

[vagrant ivy]

Six then

I will pop them in the post

[velvet nexus]

Little rich for me.

[velvet nexus]

mind if I have a bite of one of your new sausages?

[green epoch]

#spicy-off-topic

[cold pollen]

Yes

send me one MiSTer FPGA digital IO build

[worn delta]

Seeing Robert's comment, I also thought this had been discussed and approved ages ago, I thought I was having deja vu

I assumed it was already in

[green epoch]

Maybe I’m hallucinating but I swear there are cores that say dpad

Or maybe it’s the menu binding?

Because it calls out stick

[errant steppe]

I think its funny that ive gone this long without an issue with it

Dpad fuckin useless on n64 😂

[kind mountain]

Except for the AKI/THQ wrestling games lol

[zinc dew]

DPAD is important, okay!?

[lament escarp]

Stick is always better. Even for retro games. Super Mario bros.? Better with analog stick. Metriod? Stick. Megaman? Stick.

[velvet nexus]

I thought I liked you.

[lament escarp]

Thank you, I like you as well. ❤️

[magic girder]

I like you more

[lament escarp]

Is this the start of my very own harem isekai?

[zinc dew]

What

[magic girder]

What

[cold pollen]

What

[neat sierra]

Yes

[magic girder]

No

Maybe

I don’t know

[mortal panther]

Huh?

[languid dune]

Wut

[magic girder]

Anyone played anything on the N64 over Xmas?

[mortal panther]

Just the one game that was playable.

[errant steppe]

Ocarina of time just beat it yesterday now going thru majoras mask, i never beat this one so its a pretty new experience which is awesome 🤩

Much better playing on Mister+component on CRT

[zinc dew]

Ocarina of Time isn’t good

[magic girder]

…it’s…

[neat sierra]

Thumb in the bum?

[magic girder]

Yeah, that

[zinc dew]

ITS SO GOOD I LOVE TOOT

The Ocarina Of Time

LINK TOOT

[neat sierra]

HEY LISTEN

TOOT

[wanton sun]

I gave up on Majoras Mask...I really tried to give it a chance even with the horrible time pressure, punishing for the exploration of the world.
But OoT had one road block for me I could never solve and needed a friend: the fish feeding.
Majoras Mask has plenty of these. I limited myself to 1 hour of searching before I use a guide for each road block and I needed it 5 times already before the second temple, so my motivation was lost.

[weary beacon]

majora's mask is only fun when you know the exact time and place to do everything in 😭

[vapid hawk]

the song that slows down time helps a lot with the time pressure

[wanton sun]

If you know what to do it is probably fine.
But for things like finding all the extras in the temples so you can get the reward afterwards, it's still not much.
I had to use a guide for the last 2 because time was running out and I really didn't want to do it all again.
Also when walking around searching for the next step...as someone new to the game I never know if the next road block is day/time bound, so maybe i'm searching useless, because the solution is only available at day 1

I really liked that the world is so much more alive with so many NPCs and little side quests compared to OoT.
Maybe the issue is just that i'm not 14 anymore with 5 hours per day and months to spend on a single game

[vapid hawk]

there's usually an NPC somewhere who will say something that gives you a hint

or sometimes talking to the fairy

but it does feel like they expect you to just wander around until you randomly find stuff a lot

[wanton sun]

Yes, I wouldn't say it's impossible without a guide if you have plenty of time and don't mind restarting the cycle a few more times.
You have to accept that is the way the game is, while for me each new cycle feels like a big loss, destroying the fun.

[errant steppe]

Majoras mask does have some stuff where i eventually look up and im like how was i supposed to know that

Like where to get bombs.. how to shut the goron baby up lol

[scenic jolt]

Has anyone had any luck loading OOT+MM combo randomizer roms? My N64 Everdrive x7 could run it fine but when loaded in Mister, it seems to do nothing, no errors just acts like it never booted.

[vapid hawk]

yeah you really have to accept the cycles, since you can teleport around most of the world via bird they don't actually set you back much

[scenic jolt]

Has this ever been fixed or addressed?

[zinc dew]

Not sure what you’re referring to but try testing it and let us know

[topaz otter]

This was a common complaint when the game came out. Which is funny because the rogue like mechanic is now the most popular type of video game. Personally I think Majoras Mask doesn't punish you too bad, you keep your masks and quest items.

You lose your money but its easy to shoot that stupid bird a few times with arrows and get it back. And the wallet upgrades are permanent.

The story itself actually makes more sense when you realize that its the seven stages of grief. And when your grieving ever day feels like starting over with nothing.

[vocal storm]

Is it out of bounds to ask what one should use as the base for this patch?

[mortal panther]

Super Mario 64

[weary palm]

He's not released everything, but a few of his changes have made it's way into HackerSM64.

[scenic jolt]

If this a response to me, it doesn't work.

[plush summit]

Does the randomizer use any special functions of the Everdrive?

[zinc dew]

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn’t up to date on the convo.

[vocal storm]

I was thinking more if there were a specific revision / region

[viscid gate]

I used this one:
Super Mario 64 (USA).z64
MD5: 20B854B239203BAF6C961B850A4A51A2

[upper pivot]

Wait what happens in MM if you miss the time limit for stuff? You need to start over again?

[vapid hawk]

when you run out of time you actually die and game over, you need to play a specific song to rewind back to the start

you lose like, minor progression, all your money, arrows, deku nuts etc

you keep important gear like masks and songs you learned

[upper pivot]

Oh wow that seems really annoying… I played OOT back in the day through completion but never MM

[vapid hawk]

its really not as annoying as it sounds

but it is kind of a hump getting over that fear

[iron wren]

It’s made less troublesome by the song you play that makes time go by at half speed, but still rather annoying if you’ve never played mm before and are trying to figure out what you need to do

[zinc dew]

The time mechanic is honestly a non-issue once you get used to the gameplay format. But you have to get used to it.

Everything in the game revolves around it and the game gives plenty of time to accomplish your tasks within that three day window. Just be aware that there’s only so much you can do so planning your “runs” is part of the challenge.

It’s like a roguelite in a lot of ways.

[iron wren]

Yep, you can complete everything in just two full cycles iirc if you know what you need to do

[rich warren]

There is nothing quite like Majora's Mask.... other than Hitman 2016. They are both time traveling games where you learn the clockwork.

[topaz otter]

which one is the song that was undocumented

or at least the game doesn't tell you about it

[rich warren]

The time manipulation songs, skip time and slow time (inverted song of time). You can play them as soon as you get the ocarina, but there are scarecrows that can teach the songs for first time players through hints.

[sullen basin]

It helps you can an save money at the bank and it also helps you can quickly get money and items if you know where to find it. And you do when you progress. And also using the owl greatly reduces travel time. Have to say though I started the game and left it untouched for a long time because of initial annoyances and not knowing what to do

[vapid hawk]

one easy trap to fall into is like, starting a dungeon on the third day

don't do that, instead make sure you have the nearby owl shrine, then reset and start it on day 1

[manic basin]

If you want a modern version of this, play Great Circle. Your companions will NOT shut up about the next part of the puzzle. They basically point to it and just shout the same 2 lines at you until you trigger the next event. Navi energy all the way down. I hate it.

[scenic vapor]

@wanton sun any chance for a Aleck64 spin-off core? The system is probably not understood enough but I would love to play that mysterious Shnupb gem called "Variant Schwanzer" one day (certainly funny how that is pronounced in the US)

[scenic vapor]

That game was allegedly dumped in 2016. But I cannot even find the ROM for it, probably never released to the public.

[willow linden]

I don't know if all Aleck64 roms are 100% playable, but I've definitely tried it already on the core and the couple I tried work

there is a set of EverDrive patched roms somewhere online

same goes for hacks and mods. if they're made for or patched to work with proper n64 hardware it should work to some extent on the core as it currently is

there may be crashes, but it's still fun to imagine putting a bootleg cartridge into a real n64 😆

[weary beacon]

i don't think variant schwanzer was ever dumped, which is a shame as it looks pretty cool even if it's unfinished

hoping aleck64 and 64DD support comes to the core someday🤞

[zinc dew]

If not, I’m sure there’s a software emulator out there that supports it

Someone would have to show enough interest to develop it. So far no one has taken on the PS1 arcade hardware.

[worn delta]

The patched Aleck64 ROMs all work. I don't know what it would involved to play the raw dumps. It would be interesting to know what was actually patched to make them work if that is documented anywhere.

[wind cobalt]

Btw, I think my zelda OOT crash issue was the fault of a broken sd card reader I used to copy over the roms lol…. What are the odds…

I always thought sd cards got a little too toasty for comfort in that thing but I tried copying stuff over to it with a different one, and everything was fine suddenly.

[inner bronze]

Checking real quick. I got my Retrotink 4k today, are there any known issues with DirectVideo breaking the N64 Core?

Just having some weird experiences

Ah, I seem to be getting the info frame permanently on screen and no inputs. The graphics keep running.

Ill search the Discord in a moment for similar issues

Mobile sucks

[marble cargo]

HDMI mode breaks in Direct Video mode.

Fixed Blanks being turned off on the initial boot also breaks the signal, but it works after you load a ROM.

[inner bronze]

It doesnt seem to be an output issue

I still get a good picture

But the info frame stays, no inputs work and I cant open the menu.

Same on the analog output while DV1 is active

Okay Im getting it on more games now so it has to be a setting I bumped.

It was Fixed Video Blanks. Thanks.

[velvet nexus]

out of curriosity, what does the retrotink do that the mister scaler does not?

[rich warren]

goes up to 4k, some extra HDR and filters

MiSTer is only 1080p, so you bypass the TVs scaler to reduce lag (it's best to use the MiSTer in direct video mode with it, so the MiSTer does not scale either)

[velvet nexus]

gotcha

thanks CS

[inner bronze]

Basically fancier CRT filters

Thats it

Oh, and the HDR stuff is very useful to up the brightness

[lament escarp]

Also motion adaptive deinterlacing for psx and n64.

[zinc dew]

Use the scaler filters instead of the MiSTer since they’ll be applied natively at 4K

[lament escarp]

Mister can't do filters like that!

[inner bronze]

The slot mask is definitely crispy

Ah so THATS what that option does

I'll try next play session 😛

[zinc dew]

lol they are little clown emojis

[inner bronze]

Only downside Ive seen so far is that it seems I cant pull audio from HDMI and mix it with analog video. Gotta use SPDIF or any other input thats not HDMI.

Its a stupid combination anyway

[upper pivot]

Is MM 3DS version more fun than N64? I read they introduced a number of “quality of life” improvements

[plush summit]

oh hell no, the N64 version is still better

The nerfs to Deku and Zora masks are bad bad

[vapid hawk]

there is a really good fan patch for the 3DS version, at which point its basically the same or better

https://restoration.zora.re/

[plush summit]

Yeah, I heard about the fan mods, but the 3DS' art style is just off compared to the N64

Get the PC port

[hollow rune]

Agreed

[plush summit]

You're a real one, Panda

[modest helm]

I think Ares supports N64DD iirc
Edit: Yep. https://ares-emu.net/compatibility/nintendo-nintendo-64dd?status=-1

Or were you talking about Aleck64? Lol

[worn delta]

Does any N64 emulator support native Aleck64 dumps?

Does Mame?

[quick arch]

Yes Mame is support aleck64

[hollow rune]

The 3DS one kinda loses something. You know in an anime when it is like raining and the camera just kind of lingers on a still shot of a city street or countryside in the rain. OoT and MM on N64 has a little bit of that. It's not edgy or dark, it's just a little overcast, but like in a nice way, but not too nice. The new ones are like Disney Channel teen sitcom

[zinc dew]

wat

[hollow rune]

They are so bright and keyed up in the lighting

Like that's great if we need to Hannah Montana, but OoT is two different kinds of worlds

That didn't make sense

But someone must know what I mean

Maybe it is just the stinky draw distance and vasoline but it really works

[zinc dew]

That’s also what Miyamoto told reporters when showing off the N64 for the first time

[hollow rune]

"A game system with warping textures and tiny 3D environments has warping textures and tiny 3D environments forever, but a game system with anti aliasing and a 64 bit processor @wanton sun told me it barely uses has Mario 64, OoT, and Goemon forever." - Miyamoto

Something like that

[worn delta]

@cerulean elk so you have Aleck64 in your collection?

[cerulean elk]

Stashed somewhere in storage yes. With Tower and Shaft

Inconsequentially also the nickname your mother calls me

[worn delta]

Not accurate.

We all know the only game you own is Vivid Dolls.

Now the core is essentially done, certainly for the DE-10 Nano, I wonder what it would take someone who knows VHDL to make a sister arcade core for Aleck64, rip out parts that aren't needed, and get the raw dumps working with .mra files like the other arcades.

[plush summit]

The OOT remake made sense because they followed the concept art well and brought it to life, the MM remake was simply re-using those assets but ignoring the theme and concept art of the original.

The Mesoamerican theme made it stand out from OOT

[cerulean elk]

I’m sure it would be doable. Aleck is so close to N64. We’re talking STV / Saturn levels of “same”

[topaz otter]

I just looked up that Aleck64 thing because I knew it was going to be weird

and lo an behold it has a game called tower and shaft

and also vivid dolls

[worn delta]

https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=816

You can play conversions on the N64 currently

If you have the HTGDB Pack then there is a folder of them in there

[zinc dew]

Not surprised your tower and shaft in in storage

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/mV56P55ssOC.gif

[zinc dew]

That was supposed to be a reply to @cerulean elk

[worn delta]

Now that's one Vivid Doll right there

[cerulean elk]

I call your mom my “storage”

I always leave things behind in her

[zinc dew]

4/10

[green epoch]

real women have very sharp edges

[cerulean elk]

What I really wanted to write was 10/10

But I held back 🤣

[zinc dew]

LOL I know you do

You’re too quick with the retorts to not have insane ones at the ready

[cerulean elk]

I have DM’d @zinc dew my true reply

[spare meadow]

A 64DD core would be very cool too. Maybe it’s doable since SummerCart 64 runs 64DD natively

[cerulean elk]

I’m sure it’s doable. There’s very little hardware in a DD. Just some chips to read and transfer data around

Same as SNES CD. Nintendo just wanted add one to change media types

[worn delta]

Need to support the disk format and read/write, which would be work. Got that RTC as well. It's not a whole new system though, like 32x is to MD.

It does seem like the new board, when it comes, could make this doable - but obviously needs someone who can work with the current and core and wants to add support for it.

Oh yeah, guess someone could add Radnet keyboard support so you could type into the browser and... not load a website 🙂

[weary beacon]

i could finally fulfill my dream of playing Doshin the Giant: Liberation Front Chibikko Chikko Collection on mister

[waxen oyster]

Looks like camera is bugged on regular N64 core and the hack is not running at all for me on Turbo core on MiSTer Pi.

[upper pivot]

Aren’t there rom patches for the Aleck64 games to make them work on N64?

[worn delta]

Yeah, as discussed several times a few posts up.

[upper pivot]

So making an Aleck64 core would be purely for the novelty of it since all of the games can just be patched and played on Mister 64

[worn delta]

It isn't clear what was done in the patching process. Maybe the games have not changed at all, maybe there are differences. Being able to load the raw unaltered dumps like the other arcade cores are would be novel however.

[iron dove]

What was up with the camera? Seemed OK for me on standard N64 core (other than occasional crashing)

and visible 'seams' between textures sometimes

[waxen oyster]

The camera kept panning in front of Mario instead of behind. I'll try again tomorrow.

[iron dove]

Cheers. I think when I tested it was 1.02 and theres a 1.03 now, will check when I get home 🙂

[iron dove]

Just tried 'RTYI Demo TWO 1.03.bps' which lists that it improves camera, seems to be OK
'RTYI Demo Two (2).bps' was also OK for me, maybe the versions in between had issues

site doesnt seem to let me DL older versions, even when signed in

[weary palm]

I kind of agree that it's quite the nuisance that the button names aren't more descriptive where it would be a good thing in this case. The dpad is mapped before the analog too, right? Perhaps that would be the solution. To have the mapping routine ask for the analog first for the cores that have it. That would remove any confusion, I think, without breaking anything in other cores.

Perhaps this suggestion had been suggested before.

Hm, perhaps this... We have this "names.txt" that gives cores other names in the core list, right? What if we had one for buttons? buttons.ini where we could have sections like in MiSTer.ini
[N64] up=D-pad up down=D-pad down etc.
I can make this happen but I'm writing a row of code without some kind of approval first. 😅

[weary palm]

The seams are visible in Kaze's showcases as well. They're probably extra visible with some of the VI effects disabled. There's an option to turn on and off anti aliasing somewhere in the game, R perhaps? I have a feeling that would help, dunno. https://youtu.be/1Bsox-Vr24c?t=55s

[unkempt vortex]

had great fun with it... but several crashes. seems punching has been improved in 1.03 which I complained about.

[iron dove]

@weary palm yep good call on the AA in the pause menu
new game without/with AA/after disabling AA. It's enough to nuke most of the x/y axis lines in the overworld too 🙂

interesting, the black lines in the green island dont come back when disabling AA after you enable it, but the green line does

even when moving around

[teal citrus]

https://youtu.be/OmKjVpVdHDQ

[neat sierra]

Why are MVG video titles still click bait in 2025?

[zinc dew]

You don’t map the analog in the N64 core and users assume correctly that they’re mapping the primary directional input because that’s what you always map first.

The crux of the issue is philosophical rather than implementation. The goal is to have consistency with all other cores for a seamless experience. And fundamentally I do agree with that. But sometimes you need to break convention because users aren’t always consistent and things working based on their expectations is more important then 100% mechanical consistency.

Or have UX bumpers in-place to help guide them into learning a consistent flow.

Anyways, this has been a subject that’s been talked about before so I’m confident we’ll come to a conclusion that meets Sorg’s expectations. Just giving him time to think about it, that’s all.

[hidden bolt]

@wanton sun In this video Kaze implies turning AA off gives a performance improvement. Trying this in the N64 Core doesn't seem to give any performance benefit at all according to the core fps counter. I guess the core does AA differently than a real n64?
https://youtu.be/MhjVBzh32xs?feature=shared&t=943

[zinc dew]

He could also be wrong? Isn’t AA a built-in hardware function?

Or maybe there is a performance boost but it’s not large enough to be noticeable by the player or it’s not directly applicable to improving frame-rate.

Those questions are genuine btw. I certainly don’t know the answers to them, haha.

[hidden bolt]

In the video there does seem to be a noticeable difference

[zinc dew]

I also don’t know how to watch video, lol

[vapid hawk]

it looked like it about doubled the fps in the video

a real n64 has much less memory bandwidth than on mister tho

[weak hill]

hi, do you know why, when i connect a n64 original controller to the console, sometimes it presses some buttons, but if i connect the same controller to a pc, via mayflash usb converter, the controller works fine and doesnt seem to press any buttons itself?

[wanton sun]

Yes turning AA (and Dedither) off will require slightly less framebuffer accesses by the VI. But by far no double it. Maybe if you are at the edge of reaching 30fps it drops to 20 fps if the game uses vsync.
For the core this does not apply. While the AA algorithm is the same, the core will store the adjacent lines in block ram so there is no additional RAM fetch required.
This allows us to keep the timing for the CPU/DMA/RDP more accurate which I prefer, but sure, to be 100% authentic you would have to fetch additional lines. (or better: refetch them multiple times)

[hidden bolt]

Thanks for explaining. So I guess this may also be the reason some games to run a little too fast?

[wanton sun]

yes, the main reason some games are too fast is that our DDR3 is faster on average than the RDRAM, but on worst case slower. If we drive it slower on average, the worst cases will get more often and severe.
Only real solution is a unshared DDR3/4 on some future board to really be used only by the core to fully recreate the RDRAM timings

[zinc dew]

Ohhh nice

[wanton sun]

but it's the general bandwidth (800mbyte instead off 500mbyte), not this tiny VI feature causing the difference

[zinc dew]

Yeh that’s what I assumed. Otherwise you’d see plenty of games without anti aliasing VI shipped for the N64

[daring meteor]

Is libdragon still an issue?

[wanton sun]

You can see it more often with 480i titles, because for them it would be even worse, due to them often running also at higher horizontal resolution, doubling the required bandwidth anyway

[wanton sun]

have also seen it and i have no idea what it refers to. The libdragon issue was solved long ago. Maybe there is some new?

[daring meteor]

My assumption is he refers to the old problem

[zinc dew]

What’s libdragon, I see a lot of homebrew use it

[solid crest]

It is an open source SDK right?

[wanton sun]

open source framework to replace the official libs. Most popular use is probably Xenocrisis

the fix is more than 1 year old now 🙂

[zinc dew]

I love the homebrew community, geniuses, all of them ❤️

[hidden bolt]

Yeah looking at the video again the vsync 20 to 30 could explain the big difference. Although the core doesn't run the game at 30 fps in that spot but that could be due to the memory difference again or some crazy Kaze optimizations that aren't emulated in the core.

[wanton sun]

he mostly works on all kind of RDRAM tricks, mostly to reduce accesses overall or to better time them together with other components. Could easily have influence on the core

[weary palm]

Because money?

[plush summit]

Are they? the titles aren't that bad

[zinc dew]

I think to the average person they’re not clickbait at all. “The impossible port” is a bit sensational but seeing GTA3 running on a Dreamcast, a game that pushed more powerful hardware hard, does seem like a miracle.

But if you know a bit about game development and the game’s history, then yeah, the title is very silly.

It running better on the Dreamcast with more features is also of absolutely no surprise either.

[plush summit]

MVG is like the in-between of consumers and game developers, just enough to not get either side going crazy

but he's a youtuber first, so his content is always influenced for engagement

[turbid warren]

gotta game the algorithm for views

[wanton sun]

from all the ones with larger reach, I would say it's one of the best channels. No one can know all the details without being in all the communities all the time.

[waxen oyster]

So I gave RTYI demo another try. Updated to 1.03 of the patch (was on 1.02). Still having camera issues on latest N64 core (non-turbo, turbo doesn't work at all) on my MiSTer Pi. Even turning autorotation off in the game settings, the camera either follows right behind Mario, or gets in front of Mario and shows behind the direction you're running. I can report to Kaze too. Not really asking for help, just thought it might help to have more information if anybody cares.

[zinc dew]

Is that an issue just endemic to the demo running on the core or specific to your setup?

[waxen oyster]

I assume it's either the core or the core +Mister Pi. I can get it running fine in Parallel.

But somebody else said the camera was working fine for them, so I figured more data points were good.

I can try via SNAC and see if that makes a difference.

[iron dove]

Yeah I don't have that issue with the original release or latest

N64 nso

[waxen oyster]

Ha, wow. No issues via SNAC. Camera works fine.

[marble cargo]

Nintendo 64 emulation does have an issue with refusing to move away from the legacy infrastructure. There is simply no benefits to plug-ins anymore, and other emulators were overhauled to no longer require them.

[iron dove]

Re-do mapping for the USB controller in the core maybe

[waxen oyster]

Yeah, ID10T/PEBCAK error. Pretty sure I had my D-Pad and control stick both mapped to the control stick (and camera is d-pad in this demo). >_>

Thanks

[iron dove]

NP. It's a really impressive mod 🙂

[zinc dew]

I mostly agree here, but the N64 MiSTer core is above and beyond the best and cheapest option to play N64 right now.

If he had spent any meaningful time with the core that would’ve been readily apparent.

No clue about libdragon but if true, not being able the play the current slate of homebrew is a complete non-issue. No offense meant towards existing homebrew projects but none of them are there yet and the community has ways to go. But they’ll get there and it’ll be awesome.

I have original hardware, three n64 consoles with one of them hooked up right now to my CRT. I also have a library of over 200 games, no need for an Everdrive.

For me, the N64 MiSTer core is a superior way of enjoying that platform over original hardware.

[turbid warren]

yeah i was kinda confused at a video saying "N64 emulation is still bad!" and i went "...no it's fixed now right?" forgetting that not everyone owns a MiSTer lol (but they should)

[zinc dew]

Not that I’m expecting him to praise the MiSTer but he did a terrible job representing just how good it is and his assertion is ignorant.

As in, he didn’t spend time with the core.

[craggy cradle]

Also, emulation = software

[zinc dew]

yah true

[craggy cradle]

Even tho fpga is emulation

[zinc dew]

Yup!

It was nice to hear him trash N64 emulation on the Pi 5. Like dude, it’s not enjoyable and it’s frustrating on how wildly inconsistent it is.

It’s not acceptable at all, unless you want to play Mario 64 and a few other games haha.

But I have really high expectations so ehhhh

[craggy cradle]

I hate the ambernic handhelds with their N64 software emu

Well I hate the way they package software in general

[zinc dew]

My fundamental issue with YouTubers and tastemakers in general is that they say emulation on these devices is “great” when they aren’t at all. So that informs an entire generation of kids, who didn’t grow up with the hardware, to think it was just that bad. So when the public’s perception or expectation of quality is lowered, these device manufacturers or emulation devs beleive they’re hitting the mark, when it’s far from it.

Like I get it’s just dudes saying what they want and they don’t claim to be experts, but there’s a certain level of notoriety where you need to be held accountable on steering your public in the right direction.

Ok I’m done with my soap box, sorry.

I’ll be fighting MVG pay per view style next year at the Alamo. Tag team match.

[craggy cradle]

It still baffles me that NBA Hangtime has issues on software emulation

[zinc dew]

”Be there or be square, like your pixels!”

[weary beacon]

i'm surprised he made an entire video about this considering he praised the accessibility and simplicity of the simple64 emulator in a previous video not too long ago

[cold pollen]

It was graded on a curve

[dusty tusk]

Devils advocate, maybe he focuses more heavily on emulation from an accessibility standpoint, but the future of affordable and accurate N64 will inevitably be fpga based.

Also lump me in with the Pi's are pretty terrible emulation boxes crowd

[zinc dew]

I do love my Pi 5 though. ❤️

[dusty tusk]

I like my 4, but I'm just using it for local storage and occasionally other server stuff

I think someone should fork retroarch and steal MiSTer's UI and menu design. Even when I know exactly what I want to do, I find myself getting lost in retroarch's menus

[craggy cradle]

Retroarch is somethin......

[magic girder]

Pi isn’t too bad for 4th gen (and earlier) and PSX. “Okay”-ish for Dreamcast (if you have a Pi 5). N64 or Saturn though? Nope. Anything beyond that? Nope

Sure, some N64 games will run, but it’s not a great solution

[green epoch]

pi5 can't do n64 or saturn? interesting

[craggy cradle]

N64 is just complex for x86/Arm

[mossy vector]

It's more about the thought process that high level graphics emulation can ever handle all the edge cases and hardware bugs. Just try harder.

These consoles are in an awkward spot where the 3D hardware doesn't act like what was standardized around 2001 or so.

[rich warren]

Low level N64 emulation is pretty good on PC with ParaLLEl, but you'll need a newer processor (like AMD Zen 3 at least) and Vulkan capable GPU, so you'll end up buying a $500+ PC to emulate N64.

[craggy cradle]

(I was speaking to sub-$300 pcs)

[marble cargo]

Vulkan is such a godsend for emulators as of late.

[topaz otter]

Mister isn't an emulator though

Unless someone wants to correct me

[rich warren]

It's not a software emulator, it's a hardware one

certainly a different thing than PC emulation

[marble cargo]

It's still emulation, it's just a different type of emulation fundamentally different from software emulation.

[weary beacon]

mister is, by definition, emulation. it's just, when most people talk about "emulators", they're almost certainly referring to software emulation

[topaz otter]

They're talking about project64 and mupen64

Which by the way I downloaded the first version of project64 way back in 1998

[craggy cradle]

Basically, Anything not original hardware = emulation

[mossy vector]

No. But here we go again

[craggy cradle]

whether, cloning (emulating manufacturing), fpga (emulating electronics), or software (emulating logic)

[topaz otter]

Yeah that's painting with a broad brush

[craggy cradle]

but it's the definition

[mossy vector]

Nope

[green epoch]

sorry, analogue says “not emulation” and they couldn’t do that if it was emulation because it’s illegal so

[craggy cradle]

not this troll as s***

[weary beacon]

can we just acknowledge that the company is named analogue yet almost none of their consoles even output analogue video

[green epoch]

DAC SUPPORT WEN

[weary beacon]

never

[craggy cradle]

LOL

[weary beacon]

the analogue 3D would be a day one buy for me if it actually output rgb

[topaz otter]

I thought it was anal logue because their customers get rammed

[craggy cradle]

I don't buy their products for analog out

[weary beacon]

i would never release an n64 console that didn't have an easy way to hook it up to a crt

[craggy cradle]

(I don't like crts/pvms, and I'm about to approach 40)

[green epoch]

I think there is a lot of pain for people who are going to hook the 3D up to their HDTVs. Of all the systems, technology has treated N64 the harshest

[craggy cradle]

I was rocking a IO Digital before I got the IO Direct

[green epoch]

you forget how fucking awful that system can look

[weary beacon]

absolutely. i think people are in for a rude awakening when they realize the thing won't render anything in a higher resolution

anyway n64 looks best on a crt to my eyes. obviously hdmi is great but not having analog output is baffling imo

[plush summit]

All those pre-orders say otherwise 😛

[topaz otter]

The PS2 looks worse, trust me

[craggy cradle]

I think you are a minority of the audenice that this is for

[marble cargo]

Yes I want the system that looks like a greasy butthole in 4K over HDMI please

[green epoch]

yeah, that’s another one that will be brutal. but I dunno about worse

[topaz otter]

N64 games are full of bright colors, PS2 games are garishly brown and smeary

[weary beacon]

well, you're right, most people buying from analogue probably don't care about crt gaming, but i still think it should have analog video out. it's a retro console that accepts legacy game media and legacy controllers, so why not output legacy video?

[craggy cradle]

It cost money

[marble cargo]

PS2 is mainly dealing with interlacing for at least 90% of the library.

[craggy cradle]

and it cost more than the squeeze

[weary beacon]

it can't be that expensive when they're rocking that powerful of an fpga

[plush summit]

Analog output isn't a priority for them anymore, not worth the time

[craggy cradle]

It cost a grip with the F'ed up their own DAC

like that was the red flag

[weary beacon]

well, i just think with a console that was originally analog, they should have analog output

[weary beacon]

didn't they promise dac support for the duo but never did it

[topaz otter]

most HDtvs nowadays don't have anything thats not HDMI anyway, they sure dont have component

[green epoch]

and the fucking pocket (which would give us DV1-esque signal that we could feed to a tink)

[topaz otter]

finding one was really hard

[craggy cradle]

bruh, they patched the Super NT/DAC issues pretty late

like, I don't trust the that much with analog support

Love my Pocket tho

[green epoch]

Yup. I just wish analogue liked it even half as much I do