Nintendo 64

[topaz otter]

there used to be a thing that you could buy, that clipped to the ds and it was like an analog stick with one of those things on the bottom

so you could get analog like control

I tried to make one after they stopped selling them, didn't work

[trail swallow]

Good thing is, there’s a hack that adds full analog control if you have a modded 3DS

It emulates the touch screen analog controls with the circle pad

[topaz otter]

thats actually pretty incredible

apparently theres also one for metroid prime hunters

[rich warren]

And Star Fox, Zelda Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks

[stone pilot]

If you have a 3DS and like Mario 64, there's also a native 3DS port, and it's excellent

[trail swallow]

Yeah. A good amount of consoles have a SM64 port from that decomp.

I 100%-ed the game for the first time on the PC port, playing at 60FPS.

[weary beacon]

Man, I ended up switching my 8bitdo N64 controller mod kit back to the OEM stick and I was surprised how much of a difference it made - I had been playing DK 64 and that first race with the beetle as Tiny was giving me a ton of trouble especially when it came to tight turns.

Kinda makes me want to look into those steel bowls and such, but that's an expensive rabbit hole to go down lmfao

[zinc dew]

Important to note that the MiSTer project doesn’t directly benefit from Terasic or have any relation to them. So a clone board that’s done well means more people can enjoy the MiSTer.

Also the clone boards have gone to great lengths to do quality reproductions of the original de10-nano. So supporting minor deviations or flaws in development isn’t a major task and something that’s encouraged. If the clone boards were pretty different then it would be a different story,

But to be clear, the onus is on the clone board manufacturers to match the MiSTer standard, not the other way around. We’re all just fortunate that the differences were very minor.

[trail swallow]

Steel Sticks are dead, as are most similar projects. There’s one in development currently, I hope that one gets off the ground. The problem with those projects is all of them either hit a roadblock, or they couldn’t keep making them, because it took too much time and effort for such little profit.

N64 speedrunners are getting really nervous.

[weary beacon]

Yeah, I saw a video awhile back on the situation. Wasn't sure if it had changed some.
I can certainly see the appeal, I hadn't used an OEM stick in absolute years and it surprised me how nice it was compared to the replacement in the 8bitdo kit.

[surreal bay]

there are a lot of stick replacement options now tbh. Koomba64, oudini, taostyx

[hearty oar]

Are they available or just fake available?

[gritty basalt]

You could have this and an Analogue 3D

[zinc dew]

No, we only deal in absolutes!

[hearty oar]

Dark Robby

[polar raft]

To clarify, @weary beacon mentioned steel bowls, not steel sticks.
For those not aware, you absolutely can get steel bowls right now:
https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1740213233/n64-renaissance-bowl-steel-bowl-for-n64

[thorn quiver]

Good thing the seller was wearing trousers

[tender pine]

Careful. That's how Smeagol started...

Can I quickly and for the last time - for fear of constantly repeating myself AND coming across like some groupie - bring it back round to @wanton sun again?

Yes, while I've just learned he closed down his Patreon some time ago I'd like him to reconsider just so those who haven't or have the extra means can continue to show support via this method.

Really. GBA, PSX and N64. That alone would be reason enough to own a MiSTer. Proof being this Analogue 3D will sell out in minutes and that's £250 for 'only' one core.

[broken creek]

Rocker Gaming is making Steel Bowls now and he’ll have a whole lineup of durable replacement products under his Renaissance labeling in the near future; gears, sticks, stick caps, replacements nibs.

I think he’ll be making these readily available for quite some time.

The future is bright for OEM stick refurbishment, not bleak.

My goal is to at least steel bowl my 4 corded controllers, and my main wireless 8bitdo kit controller is going to get fully pimped out in the stick module.

[topaz otter]

that race was complete bs

I'm positive that rare playtested it and then tweaked the AI to make it as annoying as possible, that beetle cheats

however, you can hit him right before the race starts and it will turn him over giving you a few seconds head start

[weary beacon]

Lmfao, do not get me started on it. It's been ages since I 100%'d DK64 but I'm fairly sure Lanky's race later on is even worse so I'm not looking forward to that.

[hearty oar]

I’m kind of afraid to check if my DK64 cart still holds a save…

[rich warren]

God I did everything on mine as a kid. Even unlocked DK Arcade and Jetpac. Starved for games then

[deft matrix]

no battery in that cart

should be fine

[green epoch]

That’s pretty 🙂

[random girder]

Thanks. I'm not sure how well it would print. Definitely beyond the abilities of my current printer.

[hearty oar]

Phew, I had no idea

[obtuse breach]

will be but after some months when the jailbreak fw release...same with my duo...

[gritty basalt]

And I say we can absolutely have both things, absolutely! After all, why bother settling for one N64 FPGA mistress when you can have TWO?!

[gritty basalt]

*Myyyy preccioussss(es)... *

[gritty basalt]

Okay, now that's a cool shell! If I wasn't already satisfied with the case I already have I could totally see myself using something like this.

[ripe cargo]

Anyone know if Update_All is working yet?

[trail swallow]

Well, Archive.org isn’t back up yet

They say soon, though

[ripe cargo]

OK. I knew some parts of it were back up in Read only mode so I wasn't sure if it was working yet.

[trail swallow]

Wayback Machine is back up

And some other branches

But not the main site yet

[weak hill]

wow, iwant this i my future mister pi! n64 case, its awesome!

[random girder]

Thanks! I'm getting a new printer hopefully this week. I don't want to share the file and waste someone's time if it doesn't print well. Also still ironing out a few dimensions on my full stack model. I'll definitely eventually share the files whether I nail them down perfectly or not.

[terse canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-lord-of-the-rings-omg-look-at-that-so-beautiful-gif-22559000

[fallen sparrow]

This is awesome, I've got this in my notes for next Saturday's video.

[random girder]

Oh shit. Maybe wait until it's printed. It could be total crap!

[fallen sparrow]

Haha, the renders look good. Drop me a DM or ping me if there are updates please (if you have the time of course).

[random girder]

Will do. I'm working on it right now.

[zealous flax]

I might print it to see how it prints on a shitty sidewinder x2 that I've got

[random girder]

Are the feet too much?

[plush summit]

A case like this, its never enough

Its so ridiculous I love it, I would buy one

The cart slot could fit an NFC reader?

[random girder]

It's pretty cramped in there, but maybe someone could edit the file and make it work! I don't have a reader to design around.

Speaking of, I don't have an N64 either. 😭

It would be great if someone can validate that the design mostly matches a real console. I've just been working of Evan Amos's great photos. Of course had to make some compromises to make the flowing shapes fit into the deeper shape of the MiSTer.

[trim bane]

I2c NFC readers are fairly compact, but you still need to be able to insert the card at least halfways, so that would usually mean the space would need to be clear all the way down to the bottom of the case, it'd need to be elongated.. don't think that'd work well

[austere oriole]

Is there an STL file for this ?

[random girder]

Not yet. See my comment a bit earlier.

Does it look mostly correct?

[zealous flax]

It looks pretty damn good, i wonder if you can remove the SD card without a small tool

[random girder]

Yeah you should be able to. I have a similar case already printed and it's fine.

Wait no, I just tried again with shorter nails. Haha no you need a tool. I can improve that.

[static sky]

I personally think the feet are a bit much. The earlier version was a great blend of retro and modern. And not sure how you are going to section this, but it might make the print yet more difficult?

[zealous flax]

Yeah I feel the same on the feet

[austere oriole]

The amount of times I've dropped the SD card inside the case is annoying 😂

[zealous flax]

I guess you can always release 2 models, one with and one without

[random girder]

It's sectioned along the digital board. The current plan is to print the bottom from the base up without supports, and the top from the section up with internal supports. Might be a disaster.

[austere oriole]

So does it print in 2 halves?

[random girder]

I can definitely release multiple STLs with and without features. Will also release the Fusion files so people can do whatever.

[zealous flax]

Should be easy enough with "snug" support or the other support mode I don't know the name of

[static sky]

The N64 also had a very obvious "front" that was along the wide edge. This case has a not so obvious front and the feet are on the narrow edge. Some might have a wide edge as their front, and then just having feet on the left or the right would look kinda weird.

But don't get me wrong. This looks awesome.

[random girder]

Yeah, it was challenging making the wider N64 work as a deeper shape.

Should get the board makers to redesign everything with a landscape aspect ratio and the ports coming out of the back. Smh.

[zealous flax]

The gray ports is such a nice touch though, wish I had a P1S

[static sky]

Haha. I can see people printing this with the throwback N64 colors.

[random girder]

The current version with the feet suppressed. Will stop spamming renders.

[elfin depot]

I like it with the feet, the N4's are prominent enough. Looks great, keep the renders coming!

[raw oriole]

It's like a Jaguar and an N64 had kids

With the feet

I like it

[random girder]

I'll also create a version compatible with the DE-10 Nano if I can. I wouldn't be able to do a test print for that though.

[green epoch]

@random girder maybe you’ll want to do one for the qmtech stack 🛐

[random girder]

Nope, I can only help fellow Taki clone peasants, not QMTech peasants too.

[green epoch]

But I am both!

Mixed family

[random girder]

Jokes aside I think the QMTech stack is only two boards? Would be doable but maybe someone else can modify the files.

[green epoch]

Yeah. Only two. Maybe I’ll take a crack at it since I want to get a printer at some point

[austere oriole]

I could print that, I only have the MiSTer, I have printed Taki ones and they fit.

[random girder]

Looks fun!

[marble cargo]

The Minion MiSTer

[kind mountain]

Ok I’m buying a Bambu on the Black Friday sale so I can print that lol

[austere oriole]

I got the p1p it's a great piece of kit..

[random girder]

I'm going to order a P1S this week. The dealer is expecting stock by the end of the week so hopefully will have it next weekend.

[kind mountain]

Realistically I only need an A1 mini but I want a P1S with ams

Just because

[random girder]

Same, I could get by with an A1 with AMS lite, but I want the enclosed printer and AMS.

[kind mountain]

I like the clean look of the ams on the P1S

A1 with ams lite is very hobby looking still lol

[quick light]

Id love to get a 3d printer myself but it's just the room and making my money back. (I'd print and sell MTG life counter dials)

[weak hill]

nooo, its excellent, beste case ever considering im a huge n64 fan

[weak hill]

i vote for the feets, they added alot of n64 feeling

[inner isle]

Don't think the feet look good imo. The corners could be curvier maybe?

A very smart design though, it's a looker.

[random girder]

Do you mean the vertical corners? Limited by the corners of the PCBs there.

[topaz otter]

I"m beginning to realize that nintendo's inspiration for the N64's shape and color was the 1989 batmobile

[random girder]

Honestly, modelling this thing made me realise what a wacky shape it is and now I appreciate it even more.

[topaz otter]

it makes more sense when you realize that from the beginning accesories like the DD were supposed to dock with it

and it sits neatly on top

its supposed to look like a bunch of

[stone pilot]

"Making a stack of console hardware clearly worked out great for the Mega Drive commercially, so we've gotta try it too"

[trail swallow]

The N64 Tower of Power

[random girder]

I thought about incorporating a DD to make the tall Mister stack look less awkward.

[lament escarp]

The gc is also stackable with the gb player. The dream is alive.

[trail swallow]

Get a Wideboy 64 on that

[topaz otter]

wideboy with the GB camera in it

[stone pilot]

I guess a docked Switch is technically a stack too?

[topaz otter]

I love that nobody knew that thing existed

until IGN posted a picture of it on the internet

[random girder]

Is the dock the DD we never had?

[trail swallow]

You can really tell that thing was only intended for screenshots

[topaz otter]

it was given only to journalists

[trail swallow]

The audio has no bass and sounds super tinny

Not to mention, the judder is so bad, it sometimes jumps back to a previous frame

There’s no way they would’ve released it to consumers

[topaz otter]

it wouldn't have served a purpose

[trail swallow]

Yeah

[topaz otter]

it wasn't for playing games

[trail swallow]

Exactly

[topaz otter]

there was a third party thing that could play game boy games on the N64 though

I can't remember the name

[trail swallow]

I’ve seen one of those, and the emulation is dogshit

That would be hilarious if someone made a Wideboy 64 core

[topaz otter]

nevermind I just found it

it was the tristar 64

and it was nes and snes games on the N64, not gameboy

[amber cosmos]

That's really cool looking

[trail swallow]

Must’ve been thinking about one of the GB devices for PS1, then

[verbal urchin]

Is there a release date for this?

[topaz otter]

wait does it work on an actual N64

[digital remnant]

sure, there are n64 bluetooth adapters like blueretro

[polar raft]

Talking about console stacks, don't forget about DC too

[trail swallow]

WHAT

DC had a floppy expansion?!

[green epoch]

Wtf

[polar raft]

Zip drive, not floppy 🙂

[cold pollen]

What was it for?

[blissful plaza]

Canceled extension for the DC.

[languid dune]

I remember using zip discs to save/store all my design work in college.

[errant steppe]

Just curious. Why is the gamma correction option on n64 core in video processing unable to be modified? Any way to do it?

[latent dagger]

Might be only for one type of output

[native mesa]

Preorders 11am eastern tomorrow

[errant steppe]

I can use gamma correct on every other core i tried just not n64. For my hdmi output

The option is greyed out on, was wondering if that is the normal or if there was any way to use it

[polar raft]

I believe Robert mentioned it wasn't added to the N64 core due to space constraints

[gritty basalt]

This is the first time I've ever seen or heard of this thing. I'm shocked I haven't until now.

[weary palm]

And though the DD was a bad idea.

[worn delta]

I am assuming there is no demo media out there that used these zips and it didn't even get that far?

[neat sierra]

There was one for sale recently locally. I looked it up and found out it was basically a useless collectors novelty so didn’t go further

[agile flicker]

I found this issue in a game I tested (Monster Truck Madness 64)

Real N64

MiSTer

The letters have problems

[pine apex]

known issue

[agile flicker]

Ahh ok !

[chrome quest]

I remember this one too, found a comment from FPGAzumspass
#n64-dev message

Maybe if ARES gets a fix some day it could be adjusted on the core? At least it's a very minor one

[compact depot]

Maybe @hidden bolt should be able to take a look at it eventually

[errant steppe]

Aw bummer.

[wanton sun]

yes, i wouldn't be surprised if the fix is relativly easy, as soon as someone researched and understood it

[dawn totem]

If it hasn’t been mentioned, a separate DD add-on case to house a tapto/nfc reader would be amazing.

[random girder]

Hah! That’s a clever idea and would suit the look. I don’t know if I’ll get to that but maybe someone can take a stab at it when I share the files. Ordered a new printer today.

[green epoch]

oooo bambu sale

do I wait for whatever their q1 printer is

or do I just buy an x1c

[glass walrus]

pre order is open on n64 8bitdo controller... march 19,2025........

[magic girder]

Who preorders a controller 5 months in advance?

[glass walrus]

lol yea

amazon jumped the gun on preorder time as well

should be fun when you forget about them and they just randomly show up next year sometime

[native mesa]

Damn all the black ones are unavailable

who want's white?

Also they made a mistake not having 2.4ghz plus the dock like the 8bitdo ultimate

Hopefully they come out with an ultimate version

[glass walrus]

thats the 2027 model

release day maybe lined up with the 3d console release day?

[karmic sequoia]

oh they're not even selling the controller directly

that amazon stock was all we're getting 😦

[random girder]

Did the black one go on sale on Amazon at all? Seems to not have been activated yet.

[green epoch]

it was on sale very early

like hours ago

[glass walrus]

im a fan of white controllers, have black too but white look nice as long as you keep them clean

[random girder]

Ah damn, I missed it.

[green epoch]

it will be back. I think it got swarmed because they put it up early, so they probably pulled it as a precaution

it’s not shipping until march

so it will be back in stock again

[random girder]

That makes sense. The white one is still available. As is the console I think.

[cerulean elk]

I grabbed a black 3D and a white controller...oddball combo

[plush summit]

Cookies and Cream colorway 👅

[cerulean elk]

honestly I will get it, review it then probably sell it to someone who wants it for what I paid. I dont NEED it but I am also not on Analogue's reviewer list so

[covert bough]

damn we have to wait till march

[gritty basalt]

Since I don't want to have the white colors fade on me over time, I'll be personally sticking to the black controller.

I'll also wait for early adopters to review this thing. Even though I tend to trust 8BitDo, it's always possible they might release a stinker (at least initially).

[random girder]

There's someone on the Classic Gaming Discord that can't buy it no matter what payment they try. They'll wait for it to release and then get it from eBay. Maybe you can sell it to them.

[verbal urchin]

Probably just gonna get the black 8bitdo controller, is the Hall effect stick the same as the 2018 variant of the Switch Gamecube controller?

Looks very much like it

Also what’s the argument between having a mister and having analogue consoles

[cerulean elk]

ill find someone once the review is done unless I randomly fall in love with it but I cant see wanting to keep it; MiSTer plus RetroTink 4K is just Analogue 3D without the cart slot

[lament escarp]

Mister is open source and all in one but probably a bit more involved. Analouge consoles are products, so plug and play I guess.

Also mister is all in one forever for everything, analouge consoles are just one console at a time.

[verbal urchin]

yeah I have a mister, bought one this past June and I love it, second best purchase I made next to the steam deck, but I never really bought an analogue console, though it does have me a bit curious

Still don’t think it’s worth it for me to buy one

[lament escarp]

If you like the controller of it you can get just that, but there won't be any noticeable difference between that and the mister.

If you wanna go 4k better to save the money for an rt4k or morph imo.

[quick light]

Back before these mister clones came out. It was cheaper for me to buy both a mega sg and RetroUSB AVS. (With shipping and importm AVS was second hand from eBay via global shipping so no import) than buy a full mister stack.

Mega drive, Master System, NES and Famicom (I guess FDS too) games are still pretty cheap in my country. Yes theres the expensive titles, but Super Mario 3 on the NES is quite affordable. I also liked collecting cartridges and mega drive/master system boxes. I wanted to have shelves full of games.

Now, when the Super NT announced it's last stock drop years ago. That's when I thought, il look at a mister. Then years later, there's affordable clone boards.

[verbal urchin]

yeah, it’s a shame that the older analogue consoles never get restocked, so you gotta resort a third party market to get them, and as for having physical games, I used to care for that, but not anymore, I only collect modern physical games, anything that releases today or soon in the future, but I get that the mister is just for people who want to play roms and the analogue consoles are for those who have physical media

[lament escarp]

Are physicals for modern consoles really worth it though? The data on the disc is mostly incomplete and needs patches from the network to work anyway.

[verbal urchin]

that’s true

I wish that wasn’t the case

[cerulean elk]

either they have a TON of pre order allocations or sales were flat as black is still available

[karmic sequoia]

depends on what you consider "flat" but based on ticket numbers we're pretty sure they sold ~30k the first hour

[thorn quiver]

Modern games won't be enjoyed by retro enthusiasts. Fact

They're transient entertainment

[trail swallow]

This is the reason why I don’t care about getting physicals for PS5/Series X

[magic girder]

At the very least physical media means you have a choice of where you buy your games

And there’s a used market for when games inevitably get delisted

But yeah, you’ve gotta hope the update servers stay online

[cerulean elk]

Well it made it more than 30 seconds so seems like scalpers won’t have a field day in this one

Who knows that their numbers mean on orders though

[karmic sequoia]

well at this point i've checked like 30+ order numbers and they increase over time and don't have any obvious lacunae so i feel like let's say 98% confident they're an accurate representation of how many orders were made in that timeframe heh

[chrome quest]

For anyone with an N64 VRU, could anyone please confirm the size of the microphone input jack?
I've ordered a VRU base (no mic), and finding conflicting information on if the input is 3.5mm, 2.5mm, or ???
Seems anything that will fit will probably work

[iron wren]

It’s 3.5mm (I used the mic on my computer in the late 2000s when my headset mic broke)

[weak hill]

hi, did you printed this already to see if it looks ok in real life?

[chrome quest]

Thanks very much. Now to buy a cheap mic, or find something burried in the house somewhere perhaps 😄

[topaz otter]

Is this what you use to yell at pikachu

[chrome quest]

That certainly appears to be an option. For a Pokémon game, there is surprisingly little info on it. Words of alternative mics used but no videos and such.
I've heard a rumor something happens if you tell Pikachu "SEGA". I must investigate.....

[cerulean elk]

I just hope they don’t batch shit like pocket and somehow ordering minute X means batch 1 and minute Y means “2026 loser”

[iron wren]

The vru is the box the mic hooks into and translates baby screams into things the game can understand yea

[zenith maple]

Who ordered more than 1? I’m on the fence hoping they don’t stop production like the other consoles…

[neat sierra]

if only there were some way to play n64 if they stop production

[glass walrus]

Ordered 2 gamepads but will probably cancel if they do a 2.4g version that isnt tied to the new console release

[weak hill]

if they are doing it, i dont think the will release it before the bluetooth variants

[naive briar]

Awesome

[tender pine]

Bit off an off MiSTer subject but still N64 related...

Anybody know of a good place/source where I can find out what a certain N64 games value is and it's rarity, so I don't get hoodwinked.

In this instance I'm talking Beetle Adventure Racing NTSC-J.

[random girder]

https://www.pricecharting.com/game/jp-nintendo-64/beetle-adventure-racing

[neat sierra]

The hoodwinking has already happened if you’re buying n64 carts in 2024 😉

[random girder]

You mean Analogue 3D carts.

[cerulean elk]

ebay sold sales in the last 30 days. Price charting is either right on the money or wildly off as itll ingest some weird listing sometimes

I take a look at the last 30 days of completed sales on eBay and the overall quality then average it out in my head for a reasonable "30 day value"

[tender pine]

I suspect I'm going to get this a lot talking N64 of late - like I jumped on some sort of bandwagon - but I've been an N64 fan since I first got mine at launch. It's actually my favourite console. I only asked about carts as I suspect a section of ppl taking advantage of N64's new found 'fans'.

[neat sierra]

I’m just joking, do what feels good. I don’t personally buy analogue stuff because they don’t give back to the community in any way (while making bad faith claims about preservation) but that’s my choice

[tender pine]

Here here. Don't get me wrong, Analogue make some great products but I entirely agree for anybody with a mister already shouldn't have their head turned. Yes, this 3D appears to offer some additional features, upscaled 4K and potential performance gains, but @wanton sun doesn't deserve to just be yesterdays news. N64, PSX and GBA, thanks to him.

And he's never asked for anything in return barring if you have the means maybe becoming a patreon member, before he stepped away from it. Only he didn't. Because since then he's constantly addressed fringe cases.

[covert bough]

And he made sure we all had a good Christmas last year 🎄

[tender pine]

This Christmas will be even better with basically 100% compatibility. The constant improvement thanks to Robert has been nothing less than phenomenal.

[lament escarp]

You can also achieve 4k on mister with a scaler, that's what dv1 is for. I've got an rt4k and pretty much all my consoles minus ps5 and series x run through it.

[green epoch]

I need to put my switch on it. I was measuring lag with misterlaggy and my tv doing 1080p > 4K was like 74ms of lag

[zealous flax]

Which tv?

[green epoch]

Samsung s90c

[glass walrus]

is there any difference from mister at 1080p on a 4k tv vs it mister scaled to 4k?

[green epoch]

most tvs will upscale the content to 4k

which adds latency

I should say most modern 4k tvs will do that

[random girder]

I got the RT4K for the analogue inputs and CRT emulation, but surprisingly the HDMI input and perfect integer scaling of digital sources has been one of my favourite features. It's basically the input box for my TV now.

[lament escarp]

The rt4k is the only device with really great non-integer scaling I know of.

[plush summit]

The RT4K is a great device to tell people that you spent a lot to play retro games 🙂

[lament escarp]

On the gameboy core you can see the difference extremely well in pokemon gen1. With non-integer mister scaling 1 eye of the main character looks weirdly bigger than the other, with rt4k you can play fullscreen with both eyes looking exactly the same!

[green epoch]

the RT4K is probably the coolest piece of tech I have bought this year

[lament escarp]

Then you must've bought your mister before this year

[green epoch]

Oh shit

[plush summit]

My OLED monitor costs less than a RT4K, what a world

[green epoch]

I bought my mister this year too

I bought them together

[lament escarp]

Fail

[green epoch]

listen, I never claimed to be very bright

[lament escarp]

I got my mister april 2023 and rt4k december 2023. Rt4k is great, but mister is life.

[green epoch]

yeah, I bought them together so i guess I just kind of think of them as one unit

but I really should plug my switch into it

or I should get a second one for my switch

https://tenor.com/Gxh8.gif

[random girder]

Switch looks great through it. Any source really.

Set your Switch to output 720p, turn on an LCD effect and bam you have a nice 720p LCD TV.

[lament escarp]

Just get a compatible hmdi switch for you gaming karen switch

[green epoch]

I have one (pocket and mister are going into it

[green epoch]

It detects it’s a switch, right? So I can assign a profile to it and whatnot?

[random girder]

No, not as far as I know. I think that only works for DV1 infoframes.

[green epoch]

Oh right. So I just have to pop a profile onto one of the remote buttons

Maybe I’ll fuck with that today

[topaz otter]

sold at "market" value

[magic girder]

Yeah, it’s so expensive 😔

[plush summit]

I mean, I know its potential, but gamers shouldn't be the demographic to sell you on it 😛

[topaz otter]

the good thing is if you actually do buy an N64 cart in 2024 you own it forever

unlike anything on a modern console

and if the price keeps going up and we keep getting older these carts are likely to become family heirlooms

[green epoch]

I have a collection of games that my children will get as their inheritance. Seeing as I’m spending all my money on fucking retrotinks

[magic girder]

I refuse to get older

[magic girder]

“Everything the ||artificial|| light touches”

[zinc dew]

there was an edit that filled it with retro games lol

yeah, I’ve got over 200 N64 games that just gather dust thanks to the MiSTer lol

[neat sierra]

Yeah I was too lazy to find it 😂

[zinc dew]

I can’t find it! 😭

[neat sierra]

Yeah I’ve used this meme a lot since it’s so applicable to retro gaming collections and last time I couldn’t find it so just didn’t even try

[zinc dew]

It’s a tough one for me since my collection does legitimately bring me joy but if I had future knowledge of the MiSTer I probably wouldn’t have collected games.

I do value physical ownership but I also value minimalism. I buy games primarily to play them though.

[neat sierra]

Yeah I think collecting and enjoying collecting is great. Enjoy it now for yourself. It’s not my thing, but I’ve got my own boat anchors that I need to unload before it becomes a burden on my family when I die 😅

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I need to figure out selling the collection lol

[neat sierra]

CRTs, arcade cabinets, PCBs, and my childhood collection of systems and games will have to be given away or sold off probably in 15-20

Or sooner if we move

My daughter doesn’t care about this stuff so off it goes. Anyway N64, it was OK!

[zinc dew]

I loved the N64 a ton. But about a year after launch even as a kid I realized the system was really lacking games, so I asked for and got a PS1 for Christina’s in ‘97.

That FF7 advertising blitz really convinced me lol.

[hushed nova]

tell me more about Christina

[zinc dew]

Oopssssss

[zinc dew]

I’ll get my revenge Zakk!

[neat sierra]

I got my PS1 around then as well, I was a Saturn teen and held a grudge for a while

It wasn’t to worship Christina though

[zinc dew]

Saturn was cool but I didn’t know enough about it or had any friends who owned one so it was just a mysterious console to me as a kid

I just played the random demo at a store once in a while

[neat sierra]

That PS1 got stolen just a few years later from my future wife’s car when it was stolen. The car was stolen and recovered twice while we were at college. The 1989 Camry station wagon was very desirable I guess

I never bought an N64 because it had only 6 games and it was for babies. Time to zoidberg out of here

[remote hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/perfetto-yes-gif-26163077

[stone pilot]

The only PlayStations I've ever bought were two PS2s from e-waste in 2022

[trim bane]

I worked in retail when the n64 came out, was sent to Nintendo for a first preview/training of Mario 64 with a few colleagues.. the woman that usually sold mostly barbie dolls had a hell of a time until I realized she was holding the n64 controller upside-down.

[zinc dew]

But howwwww lol

[topaz otter]

I found a PS2 at the dump, someone threw it in the dirt

Along with a bunch of controllers

Cleaned it off, it still works

That's also how I got my copy of descent

I was at the dump and I opened a cdrom drive on a windows 95 computer

And descent was in there

[green epoch]

a descent find ifyouknowwhatimean

[topaz otter]

People used to throw away a lot of electronic stuff in the 90s, most of it worked fine, the state stopped it

[thorn quiver]

Grabbed it by the horns

[trim bane]

Pretty much, was the first videogame she ever played and for some reason she assumed the horns have to point up, like a trident or something

[thorn quiver]

Maybe she thought it worked like those scientologist stress readers

With the sticks you hold

Bah, even they have the wires up/away

I've got nothing

[topaz otter]

Well in her favor the N64 controller doesn't look like an SNES controller at all, it has a wacky shape and ugly buttons

It has three prongs when it could have had two

An 95% of it is wasted plastic

And it comes in funtastic colors

[random girder]

You take that back!

[green epoch]

how many controllers have a place for your mouth?

checkmate.

[upper pivot]

Will the analogue 3D only work with that 8bitdo controller?

And original N64 controllers I guess..

[vapid hawk]

i don't think they've said either way but i'd be fairly surprised if it didn't support some other popular BT/USB pads

pocket supports a fair number

[upper pivot]

I guess likely through the usb ports it has

[topaz otter]

You put your mouth on which part of it exactly

[green epoch]

I don't kiss and tell

[eternal ravine]

Hidden Gem SFII controller?

[mortal panther]

Wow, need both hands to hold all that Seaman.

[topaz otter]

What's long and hard and full of seamen

A submarine

[chilly ember]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-myers-mikemyers-austin-powers-movie-austin-powers-gif-austin-powers-movies-gif-12468430630872606186

[chilly ember]

Tough sub

[storm vessel]

Subs are hard by design to hold a lot of seamen.

[chilly ember]

They also are designed to handle wet conditions

[storm vessel]

Thrusting through wet conditions and turbulent tides.

[chilly ember]

It's not the size of the sub that matters, it's the motion of the ocean

[ionic pasture]

I just got the NSO n64 controller. Trying to use it wired but it’s not working at all. Is there something special I need to do?

[hushed nova]

mine just works, although the default mappings are weird. gonna fix those in a bit here...

I'm having some serious 'two red button' meme here with mapping X/Y/A/B onto this thing...

[lament linden]

I would love to know where you will post info or where to watch when the files are released. Id love to print one for my taki mister

[random girder]

I’ll share the files here: https://makerworld.com/@fwwwn

[lament linden]

Awesome thank you so much! Ill try to throw you a tip somehow when you do when i download it!

[random girder]

Thanks! No need, just pay it forward. Assuming it prints well. 🙈

[wanton sun]

make sure your linux version is new if you never updated it. This was patched about 1 year ago. If you installed/updated your sd card in the last year, ignore this

[mortal panther]

Mine always just worked as well, and I've only ever used it via USB. I don't recall doing anything special to make it work. I've had it for months.

[native mesa]

I got the 8bitdo 64 controller preorder but only in white :(. lmo if anyone wants to trade 🙂

[kind mountain]

Ugh I’m still debating on what printer to buy lol

[random girder]

My P1S with AMS should hopefully arrive tomorrow!

[kind mountain]

I’m torn. The A1 has newer/better interface and some newer auto calibration features. The P1S is obviously enclosed but I don’t know if I’ll ever print asa/abs although I do need some car parts every now and then

Should probably just get an A1

[austere oriole]

I had the A1 combo, not mini, it's great, so then I had the p1p as I won't be doing Resin etc, I've never looked back..

[kind mountain]

Scared of ASA/ABS fumes. I guess I could put the P1S in my garage but it’s unheated in a northern climate. Gets to like 40F over winter

I also read the AMS lite with the A1 is less finicky than the AMS

[native mesa]

I didn't expect to find 3d printer discussions in the N64 channel

[austere oriole]

I have no issues with the printer or AMS ,I switch it on, and print, not like the Crealitys . 😁

[native mesa]

I don't think you can go wrong with the bamboos, avoid Prusa, avoid Creality

[kind mountain]

We want to print the @random girder N64 mister case

So it makes sense 😉

[native mesa]

personally I'd do P1S without the multi material addon

Enclosures are good for all materials

Less about fumes and more about temp control

[austere oriole]

I tried a creality in a enclosure, and with the power supply and heat bed and no venting, it got hot very quick and unreliable, then I learnt with PLA you don't need an enclosure. But the Bambu just goes, I use Gyroid as an infill, less hassle.

[native mesa]

I never print with PLA but yeah when I did I just left the enclosure doors open.

[random girder]

Do you print PLA with the door closed?

[austere oriole]

P1P doesn't have a door or sides, unless you fit them, like I say you don't need them, if you print PLA with the P1s I think you can leave it open, depending on room temp, I have a window next to mine and in the summer it's left open.

[random girder]

Sorry, thought you had a P1S.

[austere oriole]

I won't be doing ABS so I'm happy, it's the same printer basically, I just printed some edge panels.

[glass walrus]

you guys should check out the props3d discord... they make movie props but also pretty good resource for help on 3dprinting... and sooner or later diy blamcon lightguns might be of interest to mister users

they use the P1S

[austere oriole]

I'm just printing some PSX and Saturn gun holders 😃

[glass walrus]

that's cool just throwing a that out there, i ended up getting a p1s after chatting with those guys

[kind mountain]

Interesting why the switch from A1 to P1P

[austere oriole]

I wanted to try to move away from bed slingers, as the p1p etc beds only go up and down, and they was on sale, I didn't really need to change, but I'm glad I did.

[elfin depot]

Do you have a Suzuki Jimny ?

[fallen sierra]

I was worried about the impact of hall effect sticks on battery life, especially on retrofitting existing controllers. Wonder how bad it is.

[zinc dew]

It shouldn’t have any impact, it’s just a different way of registering movement. Magnetic sensors versus pentiometers and graphene pads.

[mortal panther]

It's science!

[magic girder]

Yeah, Mr White! Yeah, science!

[cerulean elk]

I have fallen very deep down the comparisons rabbit hole so hope everyone is down to watch a LOT of shit lol

[green epoch]

I am excite

That going up today?

[cerulean elk]

No. Just uploaded

it goes like this....round up episode, then episodes on individual games, then NSO v core v Ares finisher

[mortal panther]

Ultraaaaa comboooooo!

[zinc dew]

Can’t wait for NSO to steamroll the competition

[neon heron]

is ares running on a raspberry pi?

[native mesa]

Ares is that accurate emulator?

[zinc dew]

Ares’ emulation for N64 seems to be considered the best by a few people

I wouldn’t know, but it does a good job imo

[deft matrix]

It looks authentic-ish. Some N64 emus looks offensively inauthentic

I wonder if you can toggle the bilinear filter like on the mister core

[kind solar]

only thing i feel nso has on mister is the multiplayer option

maybe save states but i don't use those so i forget if mister has em

[zinc dew]

Nintendo is so awesome and great and we love the switch

[kind solar]

save states are good for when you don't wanna copy down a password

[zinc dew]

We only play n64 through official Nintendo approved means

[kind solar]

or for handheld devices to allow a sleep mode

[rich warren]

Ares uses ParaLLEl-RDP. You can also enable ParaLLEl in Mupen-64 Plus in RetroArch, if you use Vulkan instead of OpenGL. The LLE part stands for "low-level emulation", vs something like GLide64 that uses HLE "high-level emulation".
LLE attempts to replicate the hardware and is much more accurate, and requires more powerful CPU and GPU that can use Vulkan since it can be closer to the metal in terms of coding.
HLE tries to use general 3D rendering libraries (like OpenGL) to functionally render the games, so while it can run faster and on more machines, it's on a game by game basis and it can't fully recreate the way the console handles the games. Switch definitely uses an HLE emulator.
MiSTer cores would be considered LLE emulators, since they recreate the hardware within the FPGA.
Some more info about ParaLLEl: https://github.com/Themaister/parallel-rdp

[topaz otter]

You mean the controller and console glued to the desk so you don't steal it

[green epoch]

My wife worked a studio that was making a WiiU game (before it was announced) and those consoles were literally bolted to the desks

[topaz otter]

And a mandatory Nintendo "fun" expert looking over your shoulder to make sure you enjoy it in an approved way

[green epoch]

I don't know if nintendo provided the desks, or if they were just expected to ruin their own desks, but those things were not leaving the premises

[random girder]

Yup!

[elfin depot]

I tried to import one but they are too new still 😦

[trail swallow]

Looks like we’ve come a long way. I remember when I was in high school and wanted to play DK64, I played it on Project64, but it looked weird. Each character had some random line that would go across the screen.

[deft matrix]

my school network share had project64 and mario kart 64 on it, that got a lot of play lol

[vapid hawk]

early n64 emulation was pretty bad, but then proper n64 emulation probably couldn't of run on any hardware available at the time too

they had that working on like, the voodoo3 while the n64 was still a going concern

[deft matrix]

these PCs were like, 750MHz AMD something with integrated video so yeah it would have been "bad" emulation. it was good enough to waste time on at least

I guess that's not early, early though

[random girder]

It makes me so happy. I wouldn't want any other car no matter what. Hope you can get one someday!

[vapid hawk]

the other problem is early n64 emulation was a really good local maximum so it took literally decades for someone to say "we need to throw this all away and do it properly"

[random girder]

/ off topic

[calm knoll]

I liked using UltraHLE with only basic integrated video with those sweet sweet 3Dfx Voodoo Glide Wrappers

Was like magic

[green epoch]

RIP Glide

[tender pine]

Anybody know a good place where it lists all the best N64 hacks - like for example Smash Remix and MK64 Amped Up?

[mortal panther]

Hey! You can't go down that road! Busses only!

[worn delta]

Just wondering, is it documented as a list anywhere what games are still not working and which work if patched? Wondering if there is anything left. Did the Japanese Mahjong game that didn't before get fixed?

[atomic stratus]

I think that Mahjong game works in the Turbo core……I think?

I don’t believe there was a patch for it or anything

[worn delta]

That is odd if it works in Turbo but not regular...

[atomic stratus]

If Analogue really wants to sell the 3D to the MiSTer crowd, they need to tout the fact that the Mahjong game works (if it even does in their core)

@worn delta I think there were other games that worked in the Turbo core but not the standard core before the patches came out…

[zealous flax]

I dont know about ares, but these are the parallel options in RMG. You can see i disabled AA and bilinear filter. I no longer use this emulator since i got the mister though.

[verbal cedar]

Anyone figure out how to make dk64 widescreen?

[muted iron]

Any of you experience this before with 4 n64 controllers plugged into a snax64 for smash bros/smash remix on the newest n64 core? Getting some weird ghost inputs and sometimes it even pauses the game which is a real nightmare

I have changed out the controllers switch the controllers inputs to ensure the controllers are not the issue. Though the issue prevails. This does not happen for any other games besides a stock USA Super Smash Bros. and Smash Remix

[muted iron]

Its in options, its the first options screen

[verbal cedar]

Yeah but I still get black bars…

[vapid hawk]

its anamorphic, like a real n64 so after you set it to 16:9 in the game you need to somehow stretch it to 16:9

either on your tv or on mister

[verbal cedar]

Hm interesting, but the signal out from dk64 doesn’t change resolution so the scalers can’t pick up to scale it to fill the screen

[brisk edge]

are you using an external scaler?

[steady basalt]

Changing the video mode on Mister from original to Fullscreen works.

[trail swallow]

You need to use the scaling on your TV, or an external scaler like the RetroTink. The pixels are exactly the same with anamorphic widescreen, everything just gets smushed horizontally to make more room.

We never started to see true widescreen in games until the 360 and PS3, when consoles supported HD resolutions.

[compact depot]

Maybe @desert crow has some insights?

[vapid hawk]

yeah if you're using a 16:9 output resolution on mister

[desert crow]

Is this the normal or turbo core? and you tested 4 oem controllers or aftermarket ones?

[vapid hawk]

is smash actually known to poll controllers harder than other titles or something ?

[desert crow]

no not that I know of. It shouldn't act different than other games

[vapid hawk]

maybe its to do with it being 60fps and 4p

that might be unique ? fzero drops to 30 in 4p mode iirc

[covert bough]

I believe ps2 has some widescreen support games like the jak and daxters and shadow of the calossis

[vapid hawk]

widescreen support on everything up until the 360 is basically all over the place

some are vertical- , some stretch hud elements, a very rare few actually do everything right

[surreal bay]

I’ve been playing remix pretty extensively the entire year and haven’t had any phantom inputs. Ive been mostly using the blue1 adapter. Maybe it’s an issue unique to the snax64? I remember occasionally I would have some times where i would have to restart the mister when someone unplugged or plugged a controller in since it wouldn’t respond.

On the snax64

[zinc dew]

Having issues getting this n64 controller working, anyone know what could be wrong?

[steady basalt]

It is anamorphic for Jak and Daxter, like other already said, it squishes on the same res, so when stretching they still look correct. It just works.

[neat sierra]

Try this: replace yourself with anyone else

[magic girder]

Did you try deleting your input configs and starting again? Also make sure your controller is on the right mode if that causes issues (not knowing what kind of controller you have)

[zinc dew]

Sorry forgot to post

[magic girder]

😂

[zinc dew]

It’s Bluetooth I think

[magic girder]

You’re such a dick 😂

[neat sierra]

I think the problem is the analog stick hasn’t been chewed by a household pet

[magic girder]

Robby: GOTTEM!

[surreal bay]

Maybe this is related? This was on the snax64 earlier this year. No one was pressing any buttons.

[marble cargo]

Throw it into the bin, pick up a PS1 DualShock controller and a PS1, and play Ape Escape.

[zinc dew]

Ape Escape da GOAT! I bought this little Ape Escape hand towel in Japan that I love.

[desert crow]

does that analog stick move around?

[zinc dew]

It does! Feels like the original actually.

[muted iron]

4 OEM controllers, even swapped inputs to ensure it was no single controller.

[muted iron]

Also we did some testing in the mister addons discord in the snax64 channel and seems to he present in older cores as well. Though it only happens in vanilla smash bros and smash remix weird enough when utilizing n64 controller tester, i get nothing weird.

[desert crow]

normal or turbo core?

[muted iron]

Sorry normal core and turbo core it happens

I also tried the smash remix and vanilla smash bros on a stock n64 with the same controllers and no issue

[desert crow]

was anyone else there able to duplicate your behavior? and does it do it just with 4 controllers?

[muted iron]

@weary star was able to duplicate my issue. For me it is primarily 2p and 3p and almost never 1p or 4p that has the issue. Thats a good question, i haven’t tried a game with just 2p and 3p in a match. But 4 players definitely has issues.

Here is another video with sonic at 2p doing some erratic behavior on smash remix

Though the issue is the vanilla smash bros and smash remix one on the turbo and non-turbo core.

[desert crow]

ok does it do it if you only have something plugged into ports 1,2?

I don't have snax64 to test but have the two port one.

[knotty zealot]

who's christina? tell us all about her

oh, i see zakk already asked five years ago. nevermind then.

[muted iron]

I have some more update. I can’t replicate any ghost inputs with the OEM controllers this morning. Only the retro fighters brawler 64 controllers. I think these seem to really be the issue as the OEM controllers this morning have little to no ghost inputs while the retro fighter brawler 64 is doing many ghost inputs Across primarily second player and third player. It’s a shame cause I really do prefer the brawler 64 controller for smash Bros on N 64. I wonder if there’s any work around

[weary star]

I'm currently testing right now using all OEM controllers on latest stock core and stock smash rom and still getting some ghost inputs, I'll continue to swap controllers to see what's happening

[surreal bay]

I've got a snax64 and I'll see if i can replicate any of these issues later today.

[zinc dew]

I haven’t done any recent testing but I’ve used SNAX64 with original controllers with no modded parts and never had ghost inputs.

Well aside from some initial testing with the Hori mini pad.

[muted iron]

Scratch that, must have been getting lucky, got some issues with 4 oem controllers on vanilla smash

[surreal bay]

I think i have a brawler lying around and a bunch of original controllers.

[muted iron]

Though the issue is wayyy worse with brawler 64 controllers

[desert crow]

I was guessing it was a 3rd party one since the only problem I heard of was with the hori mini so far, oem seem more tolerant. Odd that it's only that game, maybe it does do something weird. Most games poll once a frame or 2. There's a test rom that polls once per frame and another one that polls many times per frame(I don't remember which they are 🙂 )

[muted iron]

Final synopsis, is the problem seems to be primarily with the brawler64 controller on the snax 64 for smash bros games. The brawler64 works flawlessly via the snax64 for every other game.

[surreal bay]

I've played a lot of competitive smash bros over the last year on mister and haven't experienced any issues.

competitive players would definitely notice phantom inputs

[muted iron]

What controller do most of them use? I would imagine OEM or die?

[surreal bay]

i'll try it out later today and see if i can replicate. i only have 1 brawler though

ummm. mostly oem, but I've tried w/ all sorts

hori mini pad, hori mini clones, people use adapters for GC controllers

all worked fine

[muted iron]

If you can, cycle your brawler through all 4 inputs and leave for about two minutes per controller input, that would be a good metric.

[surreal bay]

ok i'll give it a try today

[muted iron]

I appreciate it

[wanton sun]

I'm really grateful for all the work blue1 has done for SNAC here and with other cores.
Getting even the 3rd party controllers to work properly, which wasn't easy with how the core does handle the controller inputs.
Thank you so much!

[surreal bay]

So...not getting phantom inputs during gameplay. I am getting phantom inputs when i unplug and plug a controller back in.

maybe like 10% of the time?

I'll try a similar test with the 64 specific snac adapter later today

[deft tree]

im so jealous

[compact depot]

Nightmare Creatures polls the controller A LOT in real hardware. Not sure if that helps on the tests

[wanton sun]

So maybe phantom presses are coming in when the power is not strong enough to keep it "connected" all the time?

[surreal bay]

I’d probably lean towards that being the issue.

[trail swallow]

@muted iron Wait a second…

[muted iron]

?

[trail swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-gif-10727238677934403701

[muted iron]

Lol Sahnic

[trail swallow]

What mod is this?

[muted iron]

Dude Smash Remix! Its the freaking best!

Especially on the n64 turbo core on mister, plays like a dream

[dusty tusk]

Mister bar none has the best controller support if any device I've ever seen and it snot even close

[trail swallow]

Yeah, haven’t played 4-player Smash 64 since I was a kid before I knew what framerates were. I assume 4-player needs the Turbo core to run smoothly.

[trail swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-laughing-gif-23691292

[muted iron]

Its great honestly without the turbo core

[languid dune]

Smash Remix is the 🐝 s knees.

[mortal panther]

The mutt's nuts.

[magic girder]

Robby’s hobby

[zinc dew]

the sloppy jalopy

[surreal bay]

Remix is great! I played an hour or so with the lead modder at SuperNova on the mister and he was really impressed.

He then went on to destroy me in the tournament

[languid dune]

Smash Remix isn't good.

||It's great!||

– From the Journal of Robby, Oct 24th 2024

[thorn quiver]

This channel is falling apart!

[manic basin]

Jeff Ross?

[trail swallow]

Is that him?

[eternal ravine]

Too much hair

[fair stump]

Was this your urban dictionary word of the day?

[zinc dew]

That’s a Robby Originalé ™

[fossil umbra]

question, wondering if anyone can repro and/or address: seems that there's some slower-than-n64 slowdown in WWF No Mercy, most easily tested when running a four-player battle royale. default core drops to a consistently chunky 20 fps, while turbo core gets it back to 30 fps. I tested upon recommendation from a ResetERA user and confirmed that it's running slower than native N64 in that game

[gritty basalt]

That moment when you're trying to pre-order an Analogue 3D, yet BOTH your credit and debit cards refuse to process on Analogue's website for some reason AND you aren't receiving any messages from your bank asking you "hey my buddy my friend my chum, is this YOU who's purchasing this thing?" so I can say "YES!!!" and proceed to actually buy the Analogue 3D (and as a bonus, I also checked to see if there were any pending transactions by calling customer support, yet nothing was mentioned by Robo Cynthia over the phone)..........

I'm sorry, I'm just venting. Carry on, everyone. Don't let me spoil the glowing praise that Smash Remix rightfully deserves.

[magic girder]

It’s just your bank saving you the $250 because it knows you already have a MiSTer

[mortal panther]

I've had a PS5 since launch day. I recently pre-ordered the PS5 Pro and managed to snag a 30th anniversary slim model, too... and somehow that seems like less of a waste of money than buying an Analogue console when I already have a MiSTer. 🤣

[magic girder]

I finally have a PS5 coming any day now - but don’t have any PS5 games - instead I bought 6 PS4 games that I haven’t played yet (I already own a PS4). 🤦‍♂️

Got it (new) for literally half the price that a PS5 Pro + disc drive would have cost

[lament escarp]

There are so few decent modern games imo. Also my personal recommendation: play the ps4 version of sekiro on ps5, on ps4 it runs really inconsistently but on ps5 it runs like a dream.

[magic girder]

That’s kind of why I’m doing it. More consistent framerates on existing games. My backlog is big enough that I’m picking up “must plays” for like £15. By the time I’ve worked through those, a lot of the good PS5 games should also be cheaper.

It also feels like Sony are going through a bit of a remaster phase right now, presumably to pad out the release schedule - so I’m hoping that the next couple of years will end up being packed with some awesome new games

[lament escarp]

There are also some ps4 games that got ps5 exclusive updates to disable the 30fps lock. Get ps5 games on a deep sale, there is enough already.

[mortal panther]

PS5 is definitely the best PS4 model. 😏

That's the real 'PS4 Pro' model.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, glad I skipped out on the PS4 pro. Ended up kind of being a waste of money from my perspective.

The biggest upgrade for me was my console no longer sounding like a jet engine when trying to play anything.

Really miss the days of passively cooled consoles. The N64 being the one of the last few ones to handle heat dissipation without needing a fan.

[mortal panther]

Hey, Robby brought us back on topic!
Good mod! 😄

That was smoooooth.

[zinc dew]

LOL thank you

Redirection always works best

[thorn quiver]

You are a decent cat herder, sir.

[magic girder]

Oh, cats. Yeah, let’s talk about cats!

[broken creek]

Nice white fur on that cat! Reminds me of the white shell on the PS5.

[mortal panther]

Let's see how good Robby really is. 😏

[zinc dew]

The curse of black systems came about during the N64 / Saturn era as both of those systems released in black and performed poorly against the PS1.

Now I don’t think Nintendo necessarily paid attention to that silly notion but the N64 was the last system to launch only in black.

[broken creek]

This is a clever redirect because the N64 wasn't black it was dark grey!

[zinc dew]

Yeah? I think you’re right.

[native mesa]

Light black!

[mortal panther]

I wonder what they were thinking with the purple GameCube...

[magic girder]

GBC was really popular in translucent purple, and the GBA was also purple

But the GBA and GameCube came out at a similar time iirc. It was probably to create a bit of an identity

[kind mountain]

Black is the only acceptable color for electronics

Or some shade of dark grey

[zinc dew]

I think the N64 strikes the right balance where they launch with a singular iconic color and then release color variations throughout the system’s lifespan.

[zinc dew]

The console has a strong visual identity at launch and the additional colors feel like personalized novelties. The N64 was one of the first consoles to do that.

[raw oriole]

Did anyone else ever do something as wild as the Pikachu N64?

There have been some nice game-specific reskins for lots of machines, but not afaik ever another remoulding like that

[green epoch]

oh right, that was actually remoulded

[broken creek]

This level of fun needs to return to the world of electronics. The age of sophisticated looking electronics needs to sunset.

[raw oriole]

Nintendo are the only colourful ones now. Sony does its occasional anniversary reskins. Xbox all sorts of short-release reskins but it's a fucking box so it's too easy to really count.

[broken creek]

Wish I could've picked this badboy up when I had the chance

[cunning cradle]

Like half my eBay wishlist is people selling the hello kitty Dreamcast or the Sakura Wars one 🤣

[magic girder]

That’s actually really nice

[broken creek]

It appeals to my love of vaporwave

[topaz otter]

the xbox one x proves that the age of ugly boxes is back

thing looks like the monolith from 2001

[magic girder]

Black boxes pass the “won’t annoy my non-gaming partner when it’s in the living room” test

[broken creek]

We call that WAF in the vintage speaker circles lol

[magic girder]

Wife… something something?

Annoyance?

Factor?

[broken creek]

(Wife Approval Factor)

[magic girder]

Close!

[broken creek]

"It has a high WAF" we'll say

Klipsch has a low WAF

[magic girder]

I don’t think mine particularly cares, but we’ll see how she feels when the PS5 turns up 😂

[broken creek]

why's it have to be so big!?

[magic girder]

Waited for the slim version so that I can fit it in my house

Not like an N64 though… they’re a more reasonable size 😇

[broken creek]

It fits in an Ikea Kallax!

[mossy vector]

There should be a color changing console. Like how the Super Nintendo goes from a light lavender gray to medium nicotine beige.

[kind mountain]

The ps5 with removable plates is great though

Can do whatever you want with it

I immediately bought black plates for my slim. Never did for my fat

[raw oriole]

The slim has a sexy little leg?

I've not seen one in person

[eternal ravine]

It looks like the crazy piano from the movie Hausu

[topaz otter]

Get a roommate that smokes three packs a day and plays super nintendo for five hours a day

bonus points if they listen to Nirvana's Nevermind on a loop

[kind mountain]

Yeah it comes with these legs

GameStop in March was giving $410 trade in for the original PS5 and selling the slim spiderman 2 bundle for $425 lol

I bit. Traded in my launch console

[tiny latch]

Oh man, wish I'd done that. My PS5 is a dust collector.

[green epoch]

yeah, I looked at trade in deals for the pro and there is just nothing

so no pro for me

[kind mountain]

Yeah I cancelled my Sony Pro order and put my order in at Amazon to get my 5% off. But I may wait for GameStop to offer some stupid trade deal

I may hold off for a bit all together. I have severe fomo and want one bad but honestly nothing being shown now is making me excited

Ray tracing in race for GT7 and cars reflecting cars is the biggest thing right now. And if it improves PSVR2 games

I’m honestly shocked no one has hardware in hand yet like DF.

[magic girder]

My PS5 arrived about an hour ago! Just waiting for the PS4 to finish its factory reset and then I’ll be swapping them over 😎

[tender pine]

Wait. I've just re-tuned in. Why is everybody talking so much PS4/5 here?

[magic girder]

Oh, didn’t you hear? Robert is gonna do a PS5 core next ||I’m kidding!||

[thorn quiver]

From the paint can?

[tender pine]

You know with @wanton sun I almost believe it.

[magic girder]

Really we’re just taking things massively off topic though

[thorn quiver]

Rob is making a Net Yaroze core

It will be the PSX core but black

[magic girder]

I just searched and the N64 dev kit is actually pretty cool

[thorn quiver]

The sgi Indy

[blissful wolf]

I found one of those in the basement of my old job (VFX company) and we gave it away for free to some hobbyist we found on fb

I kept the keyboard which was my daily driver until I found an original model M

[magic girder]

@elfin depot probably has one or two

[blissful wolf]

the kid who picked up the indigo 2 was definitely... the archytpe... of someone who collects extremely rare vintage SGI hardware

but hey, it saved it from the ewaste recycler and for whatever reason the accounting deptment wouldn't let it go on ebay for some tax reason

I even considered gutting it and using the case as some kind of sleeper pc but then realized I'd be destroying a perfectly working sgi machine, plus that drive likely had ancient vfx plates from earth final conflict or some other late 90s dogshit tv show filmed in toronto

[zinc dew]

You know, they used SGI machines to make N64 games early on.

[elfin depot]

I wish! (But I know where a bunch of SGI machines are)

Sry, guess it's SUN stuff

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bnk48-basket-head-silly-gif-12033516

[blissful wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-star-wars-han-solo-gif-14764428

[plush summit]

Well there goes Robby's fun fact of the day

[zinc dew]

Did you know the Nintendo 64 was named that because it had 64bits of processing power that like one stuoidelmo game used and everything else was 32buts

[trim bane]

Haha, butts.

[plush summit]

Did you know, studios added the 64 moniker at the end because they were LAZY AS HELL?

[native mesa]

They should have kept 'Ultra'

[plush summit]

I love the Ultra name

[native mesa]

That was the beginning of Nintendo's downfall

[plush summit]

Ultra has some UGH to it

[native mesa]

But what would have come after Ultra?

Hyper?

[plush summit]

DUDE

HYPER is IT

[native mesa]

Hyper Cube

[zinc dew]

Neo geo beat them to the punch

[native mesa]

Damn they really dropped the ball, they could have had hyper cube

https://tenor.com/view/lol-what-4d-gif-20284708

[broken creek]

Nintendo GameTesseract

[tender pine]

Analogue have it all to do with the N64. Yes, upscaled - not native - 4K sounds powerful on paper and in particular the mentioned potential improving performance in games requiring it...but...I'm too old to buy what's promised as it often under delivers. Lets see...

Robert has raised the bar regarding N64. The ball is in Analogues court.

[zinc dew]

Analogue makes mass consumer devices, or rather those devices are positioned to be as retro is still niche.

It’s cool to see them bring more eyes to the N64

[glass walrus]

it will be a drop in replacement for hdmi modded n64... maybe make garage sales popular again looking for carts

[thorn quiver]

That's no snake

[lament escarp]

Then y r those always sold out?

[kind mountain]

I would appreciate the 4k output as then my TVs scaler wouldn’t be in play

But I’ll wait to see how good it is

[native mesa]

Will the 4k output have nice HDR scanlines though?

Slot mask

etc.

[lament escarp]

I'd rather get a morph or rt4k for mister than a 3d tbh.

[native mesa]

$$

for us sure, but for the masses?

[lament escarp]

Since when does analouge sell to the masses? Shit's always sold out.

[native mesa]

Well maybe masses isn't the correct word

The normies

[lament escarp]

Not sure if normies really want retrogaming in 4k. Sure they wouldn't even notice the lag of the tv scaler.

[native mesa]

I think you'd be surprised. My one coworker messaged me about it "new 4k N64 console" and he's about as normie as they come

calling it 4k is probably a big sell

[lament escarp]

Not denying that analouge does good marketing but if you told your coworker about that all in one perfect retro machine I think he'd be swayed. The fact that analouge has to go so hard for the 4k angle for a retro machine kinda tells me they don't have all that much to offer tbh. But then again, I dunno who their products are really for.

[zinc dew]

FOOOOMOOOOO

[lament escarp]

Yeah but how does that work for analouge? I get it that you can achieve faster sales for a time by limiting numbers but the ultimate goal would be to move as many units as possible, hence the need to make the thing actually buyable at some point.

[uncut gyro]

we got my child the pride controller from X-lab, you can get pretty close to that one with customization

[broken creek]

I had no idea there was a design lab! That’s really cool!

[marble cargo]

https://bsky.app/profile/alexolney.co.uk/post/3l7dooosb452z

Didn't the core also have this bug at some point?

[zinc dew]

Yeah I read that earlier, interesting bug.

[marble cargo]

Apparently Earthworm Jim 3D has a similar bug too.

[weary perch]

the core still has that behavior, though maybe slightly less pronounced

it's one of quite a few attract modes/demo sequences that run too quickly on the core

[topaz otter]

they are gonna drop it lmao

best part of the N64 core is you can come on here and ask robert why its doing something and he will try to answer you

good luck doing that with analogue

[thorn quiver]

Why wouldn't we just ask Robert about that

Oh Fpgazumspass

I thought you meant Robby.

[broken creek]

You can ask Robby but he’ll just ask Robert. They call it the meeting of the Bobs.

[tender pine]

I was just saying this to somebody yesterday. It really can't be underestimated or taken for granted that @wanton sun actually frequents here and I've spoken with him. Me. Pleb that I am. You ask Analogue and it's radio silence.

[surreal bay]

No issues with phantom presses w/ the 64 snac (non-snax) adapter.

[desert crow]

but you didn't get any with snax64 either?

and you tried the brawler64? I don't have that one

[surreal bay]

i did when i plugged and unplugged controllers

occasionally

nothing while playing

for the snax64 w/ brawler

[vapid hawk]

hotplugging pads is bound to cause random stuff to happen

i think the manual still told you to shut down the console before plugging pads back then

[desert crow]

so even after you plugged in, you had presses say 30 secs later? and how did you fix that? reset?

[surreal bay]

yeah, reset

[desert crow]

I haven't tested anything yet, I need to find my other pads

[surreal bay]

it would basically be stuck w/ that continually being inputted

if i were to guess, it's something related to power?

[desert crow]

they did say they were plugging stuff in and testing different configurations, maybe they just needed to reset

[surreal bay]

ya, possibly

But yeah, i haven't run into issues while playing. I've run a few tournaments on it and someone definitely woulda noticed and yelled at me lol

[desert crow]

maybe by unplugging and replugging at the right time it could get in a weird state, I'll try to look at the code.

lets ping @muted iron and see if resetting helps and if they were hotplugging

[muted iron]

I’ll try a reset tonight, seems the core of the issue is primarily the retrofighters controller on n64 core via snax, that is always an issue.

I would not hot plug though, it would just happen

This video is a good representation as the perfect storm of issues just 4 n64 retro fighters controllers on snax64 on the turbo n64 core

Mister Addons suggested the power draw of the retrofighters controller might be the real issue here

To be fair I would loooooove to figure out a way to use the retrofighters controller for smash remix on the turbo n64 core via snax

Then this would be the frequency of the issues I would get via OEM controllers which wayyyy less.

[desert crow]

Reefy tried the brawler 64 and didn't seem to have the same problem.

or do retrofighters make other models?

[muted iron]

https://a.co/d/7ujGH3I

@desert crow i’ll try it tonight and if anything is acting weird, but it happens only pretty much on 2p and 3p no matter which controller is in plugged in. And to be fair the issue only happens in smash bros vanilla and smash remix which makes me think the issue isnt hardware related

Could i record some sort of logs for you to examine or something that could triangulate the issue?

[desert crow]

I'll try to look and see how that game polls. I could do a signaltap build to log stuff, but it would be hard for you to log exactly the right time that it's doing it, and if it doesn't do it for me I won't have nothing to log.

do you have a extension cable between snax and mister or are you using extension n64 cables?

[muted iron]

Just the stock snax64, no extension cable.

I’ll try whatever you have in mind just to get the retofighters controller to not have ghost inputs

My mister is a stock MisterAddons build

Triple stack with the Fancy IO direct board

[desert crow]

Sounds that that should work. You mentioned power problem does it only do it when 4 things are plugged in? since you say port 2 is doing it, does it do it with something just in port 1 and 2 with all set to snac in osd?

[muted iron]

I’ll try with only 2 plugged in

We’ll seee

3 min so far nothing

Trying with all controllers plugged in but only 2 players in the match

Seems the root of the issue is 4 controllers

With 4 in game

This this true even if only the problem 2p is the lone retrofighters controllers

And the rest are oem

[desert crow]

so with all four connected but only playing with 2 you didn't see the problem?

so you tried with 1,2,3 and no phantom presses?

[muted iron]

No issues at all

I’ll try with 3 next

[vapid hawk]

i can test with snax64 + 4oem pads tomorrow if thats any help

[muted iron]

I have 4 oems too and while it happens it is much much more present with retrofighters controller

[vapid hawk]

is the cable longer on the retrofighters than oem?

[muted iron]

Yes much longer!

Confirmed, the issue is only present with all 4 controller and 4 players slected

Does not happen unless 4 are connected and playing

[vapid hawk]

might be part of the issue - retrobits megadrive pads don't work on mister because of a longer cable

[muted iron]

Ordinarily I would agree with you except this only happens on vanilla, smash Bros and smash remix with four players and for selected on the N64 core turbo or regular

[vapid hawk]

anyone checked if it happens on none-snac pads?

[surreal bay]

the only thing i can think of that would be game specific is that smash runs 60 fps

[marble cargo]

inb4 it's something mundane like a controller not being mapped right

Actually, is another fucking MiSTer Pi situation?

[desert crow]

when you tried you were testing with all 4?

[surreal bay]

all 4, but 3 were oem

i only have 1 retrofighters

but i don't think my cable is that long, maybe they changed it up?

[desert crow]

they tried 3 oem , 1 brawler I think #1096015979055697940 message

[muted iron]

Correct

I would have the issue if any of my 4 brawlers were in 2p

Whichis the. Problem input

[muted iron]

Lol worry not, my mister is the DE-10 flavor

Confirmed, issue is only present with 4 players and all 4 controllers connected but the issue goes from non existent to very intrusive

[desert crow]

when you get a chance try brawler in port 2 and rest oem and playing with all 4 like Jromr

and try that with snax and snac and see if you get the same behavior

[surreal bay]

May also be worth moving the cable to another port and seeing if the issue follows to that port

I’ll try it out later tonighr

[desert crow]

yeah I agree about the cable, and thanks.

[muted iron]

Decent amount longer

Also, just moved the controllers all around 1p switched with 2p and 3p with 4p and the primary inputs the issues resides in is 2p and 3p and does not follow the controller

[surreal bay]

I was wondering more about the snax64 cables

[zinc dew]

If it’s a power draw issue what type of power adapter are you using?

[muted iron]

Anker IQ with a anker usb c cable

[zinc dew]

What’s the amps of your usb c brick

[muted iron]

https://a.co/d/iqCz3jY

[zinc dew]

Oh ok, it’s got enough power for everything

I wonder if the same issue happens with the Tribute 64: https://retro-bit.com/tribute64-controller-n64-port-classic-grey.html

[muted iron]

Ah yes i have tried switch the snac dongles too no luck still on 2p and 3p no matter what

Btw, thanks for everyone’s help it doesn’t go without appreciation and i’ll live and just avoid playing with the brawler controllers with 4 players on smash bros until something is magically fixed but there is just too many variables

[gritty basalt]

It's like I was telling Robby, why settle for one N64 FPGA mistress when I can have two?

Anyway, I managed to get the whole thing resolved earlier today, and now I got mine on pre-order. I'm now going to be joining the consumer beta testers and giving this thing a shot as soon as it arrives.

The N64 FPGA trouble will be doubled

[gritty basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

[surreal bay]

So, now I’m able to get the phantom inputs on snax64 when I plugged it into port 3. Snac still no issues. I do have a brawler v1 but it looks like they lengthened the cord on the v2.

[fair stump]

Just like us
https://bsky.app/profile/alexolney.co.uk/post/3l7dooosb452z

[zinc dew]

Imagine being a developer on the NSO’s N64 emulator when the MiSTer exists. Couldn’t be me.

[eternal ravine]

Are you in Japan with your family still?

[lament escarp]

Bet you'd get a c&d letter together with your salary.

[zinc dew]

Nah we’re back to reality

You know what I didn’t see in Japan, pocky and ramune

We’ve been fed lies

[eternal ravine]

Wot, no Pocky

[zinc dew]

Didn’t see it, wasn’t looking for it tbh but I went to the Japanese super market here and it struck me

[eternal ravine]

?

[zinc dew]

I saw those actually

And everburger

[eternal ravine]

There's a USA chain of JP candy stores, really tasty candied strawberries

Forgetting name

[blissful plaza]

The motherbase of Pocky.

Inside the Glico shop at Osaka.

[blissful plaza]

Seems to be MUJI ones.

I really liked the white chocolate ones back then.

[zinc dew]

I didn’t go to it

[neat sierra]

I never want to see that arm lowered. I don’t think it can be

[blissful plaza]

Really fond memories from some years ago.

I really miss Osaka city.
People and the food were the best of my life.

[neat sierra]

Okay he is a track guy, I wasn’t sure if track guy or cheerleader because there’s no finish line tape

[blissful plaza]

I've shown the N64 core and the possibilities with it to some 'retro' friends yesterday night.
3 Analogue 3D preorders cancelled (+ Everdrives) and 3 MiSTer systems ordered now.

[lament escarp]

This is what nature intended. I don't mean to be a mister fanboy, but it's just the superior platform. And also our lord and savior. 🙏

#notacult

[eternal ravine]

MMmm those look delightful

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g60763-d8555794-Reviews-Aji_Ichiban-New_York_City_New_York.html

Looks like it closed

[thorn quiver]

I have some Aji Mango in the freezer

[neat sierra]

Yessss more cult members

[lament escarp]

Pssst! #1096015979055697940 message

[storm vessel]

Didn't go to a 7-11? They're always sold there.

[zinc dew]

I did lots of times but I guess I missed it.

[storm vessel]

The ramune are near gummies and Pocky with the chocolates and Pretz sticks.

next time 😉

[zinc dew]

I was blinded by the endless boss coffee and fresh baked goods lol

[neat sierra]

Boss definitely one of the better logo designs

Definitely had some pocky when we were there. I had a brutal hangover after a night of karaoke with this singer dressed as a woman for a show and a bunch of off duty hotel staff who bought me endless drinks and made me sing so much karaoke. Pocky got me back to life slowly the next morning. Good times

[zinc dew]

I hunted for fried chicken at 2am after a night of heavy drinking lol

Some pictures of my spoils lol

[neat sierra]

Was it better than KFC?

[zinc dew]

Took the last train back to the hotel from Kokubunji, got off at the wrong station. Meandered back to the hotel walking through the empty streets of Tokyo eating fried chicken.

[neat sierra]

Is their KFC better than our KFC? (Yes I know KFC sucks just the only fast food chicken I thought of)

[zinc dew]

We have KFC in Dallas, Korean Fried Chicken and I wouldn’t say it’s better than that.

It’s better than fast food KFC though.

[desert crow]

I was worried it might be something that only shows up with snax64 and not the snac made for 64. Not many people have both which was why I asked you to try them both, thanks. It helps narrow things down to how to recreate the behavior

I don't really have an explanation of what's going on yet though

[magic girder]

I thought you were back in the US? 😅

[magic girder]

I had KFC in Tokyo years back and hated it. The chicken had a weird texture

[thorn quiver]

Americans, can you please undeploy your KFC locations in Sweden

We don't want em

It is nutritional warfare

[zinc dew]

Here is the scary news. If you didn’t eat it they wouldn’t be there for much longer.

[thorn quiver]

😭

[zinc dew]

Someone in Sweden must pay!

[thorn quiver]

I will have to campaign outside

[zinc dew]

I mean you’re right, it’s trash

But I imagine American fried chicken is enough of a novelty to be in business there?

[thorn quiver]

Yes it's just the novelty

"just like in movie"

[green epoch]

Which profile / settings are you using besides 720p on the switch?

[random girder]

Usually just 1080p to the default profile for sharp scaling.

Mom can we have N64?
No we have N64 at home.
N64 at home: https://makerworld.com/en/models/733182

[lament linden]

Yessss! That looks amazing fwwwn

[lament escarp]

To be fair it'd be quite the idiot child to ask for an n64 when it has a mister pi at home.

[random girder]

This thing can do more than just play N64?

[lament linden]

@fallen sparrow

[fallen sparrow]

[lament escarp]

Unlike analouge 3d

[random girder]

I hope someone prints a Funtastic version.

[fallen sparrow]

Looks grea

t

[lament escarp]

Seriously, great case. This is the first time I'm tempted since getting the aluminum shell.

[blissful wolf]

I love you, you are beautiful, would you consider making the DD slot on the bottom a tapto NFC reader

[random girder]

I don't have an NFC reader to design around. Maybe @green epoch can do it when they create the QMTech version haha.

[green epoch]

No need! Todd will save us all

[zenith orchid]

that N64-esque MiSTer case is so damn amazing. I'd like to have one, especially with an M sticker like the logo in the autoboot rom

[elfin depot]

Time to commandeer the X1C at work.

[random girder]

Let me know how it goes if you do print it! I used Support for PLA. Was a bit of a pain to get off but looks great once it's off.

Ignore the signs of struggle haha.

[lament linden]

Working in Autodesk now to split all the parts into seperate STL's so i can print them on my Anycubic Mega X or have JLCPCB do them for me in clear resin for the light pipes & MJF Nylon to give that all over factory look finish.

I'll just have to glue or bond somehow the different color pieces in place.

[random girder]

I hope it works out! 🙈

[lament linden]

Oh im willing to experiment!

[muted iron]

Whoa! So you were able to replicate the issue?

[surreal bay]

yeah, it was doing random inputs on p3 w/ the snax

[blissful wolf]

I wonder if you could chamfer an interior edge and then print with the top vertically, so there isn't so much stepping on the top curve and the logo side facing down

[random girder]

Not much space on the inside unfortunately. Maybe the chamfer could work if the front has a chamfer on the inside and it's printed with the back on the bed. But probably better to just use internal or tree supports then. It's definitely worth a go to print it upright.

[muted iron]

Was it on smash remix or vanilla smash bros?

[surreal bay]

remix 1.5.2

[muted iron]

I am not crazy!!!!!!!!

[weak hill]

dude, that mister case its awesome just WOOOWWWWWW

[lament linden]

@random girder So the case is so awesome I decided to share it on reddit 1 hour ago. My post has already been seen by Taki Udon, and he just tweeted out your model.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/s/GsAo6zMk5A

https://x.com/TakiUdon_/status/1850385052561232324?t=gFvGHmD-mfS-AqBIoNVFHQ&s=19

Taki Udon (@TakiUdon_) on X

This fan-made MiSTER Pi case is nuts! I'm printing this on my @BambulabGlobal X1C ASAP.

https://t.co/Y6JJHXVRuL

Twitter · Oct 27, 2024, 3:52 AM

[random girder]

Thanks for sharing! And you’re welcome to share the single colour STLs as a remix!

[gritty basalt]

Again, if I wasn't already satisfied with the case I have now for my DE-10 I'd definitely consider using something like this because the form factor is just so cool. It speaks to me.

[lament escarp]

As some user mentioned, only improvement would be to switch the N logo to an M logo like in the n64 boot rom.

This is certainly the best plastic case for mister I've seen.

[tender pine]

Can I be controversial of sorts and suggest this case is entirely wrong for the Mister project.

I say this even - and not just because it's the flavour of the month - but with the N64 being my favourite console for many, many years now.

The great thing about MiSTer is it's diversity. Arcade, micro computer, handheld, home console, etc, etc. To make a case nailing it down to one particular albeit exceptional core is for me underselling it position and growth.

I guess to be fair the case itself isn't right or wrong, it just seems an attempt to mimick Analogue where as we all know Mister stands alone top of the pyramid.

[raw oriole]

Good thing no one is forcing it on people hey.

[thorn flax]

help help i’m being oppressed

[tender pine]

It's not ppl are being forced or oppressed. I just find it a bit sad that when Robert was in the throes of his N64 core nobody was getting nearly as excited in regards to the aesthetics of Mister, but almost soon as Analogue show the 3D too many ppls heads are turned and almost want to clone it - in a matter of speaking.

Focus people...

[lament escarp]

I don't think this case was made because of the analouge 3d... but let's just ask. Hey @random girder did you make the case so you can have a bootleg analouge 3d or because you genuinely love n64?

I, for my part, think it looks cool because the n64 looked cool btw.

[compact depot]

Keep them coming

Would love to see a NES, SNES and Genesis one

[dry oak]

i'd love to see a Gamecube one

[zinc dew]

People are free to do whatever they want and share it with the community,

The bigger the MiSTer community grows the more potential there is for more creative types to join us and want to make something cool.

@tender pine I think you should view it as us being fortunate that someone was inspired by the N64 core and wanted to make something unique for the clone boards so that those community members had more options for case designs.

[random girder]

I just wanted an N64 haha. 😭

[zinc dew]

I like that the bottom looks like the 64DD.

[random girder]

Tbh modeling it after the Analogue 3D would have been easier. It's a simpler shape. And that's kinda why I prefer the version with the feet and why that's the model that I ultimately shared. It's unnecessary but I tried to make it as close to the N64 as I could within the limitations of the MiSTer stack's shape. And within the limitations of my own ability. If the Analogue 3D's shape can be seen as a tasteful reduction of the N64 to a sleeker shape, then mine is the opposite lol.

[lament escarp]

But it only plays n64 while in the shell, correct?

[random girder]

I already have a concept of a plan for another shell inspired by a certain grey console, but just taking a break from modelling MiSTer cases for now.

[random girder]

Of course.

Need to change cases to change cores.

[zinc dew]

The case design made me think of a TapTo implementation where the cards stick in vertically so it looks like you’re plugging in a cart.

@maiden wyvern + @balmy dagger is that a ridiculous idea? lol

[lament escarp]

Let's have @cerulean elk do an April fools vidya of the mister in the n64 case playing the psx version of resident evil 2 while talking about how impressive the port ist.

[cerulean elk]

I already have a April 1st vid in mind

[lament escarp]

I didn't say which year.

[cerulean elk]

lol 60K subs by this time next year or I old yeller the channel

so you better go tell people about me!

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk you should subscribe to VGE

[random girder]

The reason why I shared the shell for free is mostly because I don't have the confidence to charge anyone for my janky work but also very much because I just wanted to share something with the MiSTer community. It's such an incredibly project and it wouldn't be possible without the work of people like Robert.

[lament escarp]

I do but they always mistake you for mvg and sub to him. 😦

[cerulean elk]

lol hes a BIT bigger its true

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s great, thank you for doing that

[lament escarp]

Thank you for contributing to our digital communist utopia. 🙏

[balmy dagger]

Not at all! I'd love to see it. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

we don't want any reds around here

reporting you to Hoover!

[random girder]

I feel I should clear it up. Even if I was confident in the jank, I wouldn't charge either. I get to enjoy a free project so it's right to pay it forward. Maybe I'm getting too philosophical. Point is I didn't think about charging for the models or selling prints.

[tender pine]

Just quickly to say from previous me commenting on the N64 MiSTer case.

I meant no disrespect. I respect, admire and am in awe of all the projects under the mister flag, be it core developers, hardware makers or anything other.

I'm one of those many ppl who profit from the work of others. I haven't the skill, knowhow or gumption myself to contribute like this in any meaningful way.

I do contribute to various ppl via patreon and the like to say my thank yous but I feel that's the lesst we can all do.

[zinc dew]

I totally get where you were coming from and that’s a very nice comment you made just now. It’s just a misunderstanding.

And that’s also a great reminder for everyone that if you like what you see then please consider donating to people’s Patreons.

[covert bough]

I would love a case like the Neptune shell but just outfitted for mister

[eternal ravine]

I would love a case that floats in a man's hat full of rare perfumes

[tender pine]

Thanks @zinc dew

Sometimes - like particularly being a massive fan of the N64 - I felt when Analogue announced the 3D too many peoples heads were turned as to what we have and have had for a long period now.

That being developers willing to work all the hours to bring us more than our wildest dreams could envisage.

Obviously everybody is free to spend their money how they see fit but I found and still find money spent on Analogues latest would have been much better spent contributing or increasing said contributions to aforementioned developers.

[zinc dew]

amen brother

[tender pine]

I'll definitely leave it at that as I've probably said too much - get off my soapbox - and just let everybody enjoy their Sunday hopefully without my thoughts and opinions.

[lament escarp]

Your opinions are fine, I feel like I have to understate how aggressively underwhelmed I am by the concept of the analouge 3d. But to be fair, most don't know about the wonders of our lord and savior which is mister. So go out and spread the word! #notacult

[eternal ravine]

Anal 3D looks very good as a drop-in N64 replacement for original consoles

We shall see

[zinc dew]

I’m pretty excited to see how good their N64 emulation is.

[covert bough]

It will be nice to see the youtubers review it

[lament escarp]

Like you were for nso?

[covert bough]

There's a lot of options. Rare replay as well for some games if you're on gamepass/xbox

[tender pine]

How much better could their emulation be realistically compared with what @wanton sun has given us Mister N64 core?

[zinc dew]

I swear it’s a decent option lol

I don’t think it’ll be better.

[tender pine]

I think it's a tall order even matching it. Surpassing it? I'm sceptical but curious...

[zinc dew]

But it’s fun to see what a different development can accomplish imo

[lament escarp]

Afaik some edge cases in 4 player games where tlb slows things down and some imperceptible timing stuff that gets auto patched on mister.

[zinc dew]

They might solve some issues or implementation in a different way that could inspire improvements in the current core.

[lament escarp]

But lets first wait and see what the anal3d is like. Maybe it has issues the core never had. Without independent reviews there is no way to know.

[zinc dew]

will you be our independent review?