#Nintendo 64

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wanton sun
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twine hi-color mode is really high color: 24bit instead of 15 bit, resulting in less banding and random dithering disabled. Resolution is the same in both modes

solemn marlin
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It could've sworn it was a higher resolution, what a shame

wanton sun
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it appears like that, because the assets are made for 8bit per color, so they look bad without hi color mode

solemn marlin
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But it runs better with the turbo core, or did I imagine that as well? Hm

wanton sun
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yes it does. Especially with explosions and multiple people on the screen, it drops the framerate below 30 easily

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and i wouldn't complain about the high color mode that much. It makes it one of the few games with nice textures, at least in my eyes

solemn marlin
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Yea it looks surprisingly good, I've mostly stayed away from it because of the framerate hit.. Tho I don't have the 24 bit mister so I'll have to choose between the bits and the turbo

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Unless there's a turbo pwm core. It still looks higher res though despite not running on the pwm core

wanton sun
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it's amazing what they did with the hi color textures there. Looks much sharper like higher res but it's still 320x240

robust cave
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Is there a good thread or spreadsheet that has games that have issues with the N64 turbo core?

wanton sun
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and as you can see by the fps counter: same speed. (non turbo core)

solemn marlin
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Quite the difference. The Rare sauce was contagious back then, even EA made decent bond games, or eurocom

hasty musk
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@wanton sun how to get the 24bit mode? Only analog or also digital. Dual sdram?

Updated core soon? Turbo

ivory laurel
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This clearly shows the N64 could do ray traced reflections

atomic stratus
robust cave
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Better than calling it PiSTer.

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but it's because it's like... a MiSTer for a price of a Raspberry Pi, right?

mortal panther
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'Pi', because you're 3.14 times less likely to get laid when they discover it's a knock-off clone.

robust cave
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so instead of getting a Raspberry Pi for your DIY project, get a Mister Pi.

atomic stratus
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my guess it’s because there’s a large number of people out there that know what a raspberry Pi is, but has never heard of MiSTer

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like, plenty of very casual gamers or even people that don’t game know what an RPi is

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that said, without the word “raspberry” in front of it, I don’t necessarily think that everyone that’s heard of RPi will connect the dots…plenty might though, I suppose

mortal panther
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Like when you try to tell people you have a Ferrari 308, but it's really a Pontiac Mera...

zinc dew
rich warren
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I have all three! elmorise

mortal panther
zinc dew
mortal panther
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What do you mean 'you new people'? 👀 🤣

zinc dew
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Uhhh, I mean the new friends we just made.

rich warren
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"The new nerd postures with his material possessions to gain respect and admission into the herd."

solemn marlin
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Look guys, I just bought some portable Saturns. Am I cool now?

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little socket
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as cool as robby

solemn marlin
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Hmm

zinc dew
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Wow that’s really cool

solemn marlin
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Yes, never felt more cool, I'm positively chilly 🥶😎

zinc dew
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Flexing is a good answer

turbid warren
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pal, jp, na?

mortal panther
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Even bigger flex posting it in the N64 channel. 😄

zinc dew
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Oh duh, good point

mortal panther
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"Suck it, N64-eyes!" 🤓

solemn marlin
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Maybe if you could hold it but this basically requires you to carry it around like a business man in a case which is arguably kinda funny

compact depot
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You should add a disclaimer or something at your store like “no worker has been harmed during the fabrication of the MiSTer Pi” 🙃

lament escarp
solemn marlin
lament escarp
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Having a mister setup is the biggest flex imo.

solemn marlin
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Yea but you all have that already, I need some old arcade boards to stand out

mellow terrace
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And maple syrup. 😁

mossy needle
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You can buy mine! I'm selling all my arcade stuff

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Takes up too much space and the Mister is good enough

solemn marlin
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Which board is it? I might actually get one but it'd probably be a game I always come back to or have an interest in mastering

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I'd love a monkey ball machine but there are some roadblocks to that dream

gilded whale
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Kevin Sorbo

gilded whale
zinc dew
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I wear a MiSTer shirt but everyone just thinks I’m reinforcing my pronouns lol

cerulean elk
sullen harbor
mossy needle
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I play a lot of fighting games lol

gilded whale
mossy needle
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He's a Christian Nationalist who is outside the scope of this conversation and what I assume people here want to hear/talk about.

sullen harbor
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yep

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which is why I tried to keep it vague

solemn marlin
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What does the full naomi netdimm set up entail? You can play all naomi games? I'm honestly not very big on fighting games beyond looking at highlights lol

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Gotta see some new mortal kombat executions from time to time but too lazy to play it

mossy needle
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Naomi has the monkey ball arcade, Crazi Taxi, House of the Dead 2, and a few others but those require specific peripherals

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Also all the Atomiswave games are compatible

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Which admittedly is mostly fighting games

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It's a great system but if you're not really into fighting games it can be sorta limiting

solemn marlin
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I can scan and 3d print a banana for that. Honestly I wouldn't be completely uninterested in that, I think all those three games are great just as they are but it depends on how much work it'd be to set up

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I guess the banana/wheel/gun could be costly but if there was some budget solution

mossy needle
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I have friends who for sure would know. I bought it for the fighting games lol

gilded whale
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Oh well thats a shame… I still have fond memories of that show

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Honestly I kind of hate how the internet has ruined almost all my childhood heroes lmao

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Mr. T is still pure… knocks on wood

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That guy sure knows how to treat his mother right

solemn marlin
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Fair enough, I'm still a bit intrigued tho, it isn't that far away from a full monkey ball cabinet which I assume is just a stick that looks like a banana tho it might be more involved than that

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The full cabinet is like 7000$ but maybe you're paying for that original thing and it's really possible to assemble a budget version..

proven parcel
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For some reason, there is a bug causing a black screen for me on the Taki Clone (Mister Pi) with Conker’s Bad Fur Day.

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I haven’t found any other titles it affects, from a quick glance. Is this a known issue?

cerulean elk
mossy needle
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Naomi

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I dont have a Naomi 2

cerulean elk
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You need a motherboard, netdimm board (512MB recommended) new pic chip and bios chip, and either the pi boot or Ethernet NetBoot hardware

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And a good power supply. Net boot is power hungry

mossy needle
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But I have a 512mb with the capcom io and the whole raspberry pi thing

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And a Sun power supply

cerulean elk
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lol then you have what you need

solemn marlin
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No banana tho

mossy needle
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Oh I know I was seeing if someone else was interested

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I dont have the banana

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Too much money

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For one game

cerulean elk
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Haha ooh I see

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You are selling it

mossy needle
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Yeah

eternal island
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sometimes i play zelda

cerulean elk
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How much?

eternal island
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its ok

mossy needle
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I honestly have no clue

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I was thinking $900

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I havent really found any others recently to price it against

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I bought it in 2018

paper orchid
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I heard arcade stuff

mossy needle
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Yeah I got stuff I dont need anymore

paper orchid
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I was literally just talking to someone about KoF98

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Love that game

mossy needle
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Amazing game

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My friend and I were trying to get into it so I bought a cart

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A long time ago and now I don't need due to mister

paper orchid
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I actually still don't own a cart, I had a few other priority MVS games that I wanted to get

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(mostly just Blazing Star and Neo Turf)

mossy needle
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Also amazing games

solemn marlin
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The banana is a Sanwa JLK-GF2-AT. A cold 900$

mossy needle
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That sounds about right

paper orchid
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Someone in one of the other discords I'm in made a replica of the monkey ball panel IIRC (banana and all)

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Actually no, not a replica panel, but they did make a replica of the banana and mounted that all in a banana-shaped controller

solemn marlin
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That's what I would do, seems like a fun project. But even the stick is too costly for me and it'd only feel worth it if it was almost like the real thing

mossy needle
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I know one of my friends 3d printed a banana for his netdimm set up

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Might have been the same guy

paper orchid
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Yeah, I already have a bunch of specialty input devices for arcade games

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I don't need another rofl

mossy needle
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My partner is already nice enough to let me keep the stuff I can fit under the tv

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Everything else is in Cosco bins which I'm sure is not super exciting for her

paper orchid
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The garage is both my workshop and where I keep most of it

mossy needle
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It would have probably been easier to sell my stuff when I still lived in SOCal.

paper orchid
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I also have a thing of retro consoles in the living room

mossy needle
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People in Portland aren't as interested

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I replaced all I could with the Mister

paper orchid
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Yeah, the MiSTer is what I actually use for everything

mossy needle
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But still have a Dreamcast, OG xbox, PS2, PS3, Wii, Gamecube, and PS5

mellow raft
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$100

acoustic vortex
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don't you dare speak of your 20l5 pvm or sum crazy

paper orchid
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I have a little baby 9" PVM

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Love that thing

mellow raft
acoustic vortex
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dayum

mellow raft
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N64 is UltraHDMI and RGB modded. SNES is RGB modded. Wii is case modded. PS2 is HDD'd with a 2TB and FreeHDBoot and fan mod. Dreamcast is fan modded with VGA box and ode mod. Xbox was softmodded but HDD died. PS3 is jailbroken and used to have some hard mods.

paper orchid
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Looking across at my retro setup, I've got an AV Fami, SNES, N64, Wii, Wii U, PS1, slim PS2 w/ internal IDE mod, Genesis (+Sega CD and 32X), CDX, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox and Xbox 360

mellow raft
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  • gcompsw (split off to Trinitron) and fed into a RetroTink 5X pro and split to my capture card and TV.
paper orchid
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None of it's hooked up, but it used to go to a gscart. Out in the garage I've got a supergun with a couple custom 6-button arcade sticks and a big rhythm game cab

mellow raft
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Nice. Honestly I didn't have any 16bit or earlier consoles besides the SNES so I really have no history there.

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I was born in 91 but got into gaming late.

paper orchid
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Oh right, I forgot the humble PC-Engine

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To which I own only one game: Bomberman 94

mellow raft
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Haha. Honestly if people asked me good recommendations in that era, snes is most of what I know.

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Genesis I could maybe name a couple interesting ones.

paper orchid
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The Genesis was the majority of my life, SNES as well but I was a big Sega person

mellow raft
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nods my friend convinced me to invest in this Dreamcast in 2010

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Never looked back.

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Rez became a huge fav.

paper orchid
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I didn't own a Master System and probably never will because for every Phantasy Star I want to play, there also exists an Alex Kidd where he threatens to blow out my TV speakers

mellow raft
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I even discovered how to fix the dreaded disc read error when nobody seemed to know in my area.

paper orchid
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I was lucky enough to get a Dreamcast around when it launched

mellow raft
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Well I say "fix". It's just gonna happen again. But you can calibrate the laser.

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It just means the laser is dying

paper orchid
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I played a lot of games on it afterwards, but while it was out it was uhhh...phantasy star online

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all the time

proven parcel
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Again, it doesn’t seem to affect any other N64 software, at least as far as I’ve been able to test.

mossy needle
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I'm dreading when my modded xbox hard drive dies

naive briar
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No issue here

proven parcel
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Weird. Yeah - I'm just getting a black screen, followed by a flash.

fair stump
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@proven parcel any weird glitches with mario 64?

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there's another user that is plagued with mario 64 issues kinda like what you're saying

acoustic vortex
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I've tried other games and none function

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same behaviour though

proven parcel
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Not that I've seen. Let me double-check.

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Nope, Mario 64 plays normally.

rich warren
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Working fine on my MiSTer Pi

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cerulean elk
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Saturday is the one year anniversary of my wife finding Pepsiman! @languid dune you better send gifts

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(For those of you that don’t know he’s the official rescue street kitten of the N64 core)

solemn marlin
languid dune
stone pilot
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which is also something to celebrate, mind you

proven parcel
gilded whale
storm vessel
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Cokeman sounds like a cokehead

wanton sun
dusk tree
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I used the update all script and now I cannot play N64 at all using composite
Even when I use the MikeS core for Y/C
Was there some kind of change that broke Composite?
For n64
I can play using HDMI and I can use other cores using Composite but not for N64

main dirge
topaz otter
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And it is peak N64 era Titus craftsmanship

zinc dew
thorn quiver
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Ah, ancient Newyorkus

fair stump
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I tried that Hercules game, kinda weird

marble cargo
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"We have The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time at home."

rich warren
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Xena knows what to do with Titus games (and Sorbo)

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acoustic vortex
vast delta
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I dont think so

silent marten
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Shouldn't have to update the database for NICCC as it was the first demo to run on the core back when development begun

topaz otter
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And Bruce Campbell is a regular guest star

wanton sun
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yes, it works fine without database. Database is mostly needed for savetype and CIC protection stuff and this demo cannot save and i'm not aware of any demo that does depend on the CIC version

acoustic vortex
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not loading just like the other roms

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Would you like a video of the process?

wanton sun
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that's actually a good sign

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because if that simple demo doesn't load from sdcard, but with savestate from same sdcard works, there are very few things that could be wrong

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let us think: if your write process to sdcard would be wrong, the savestate would also be broken

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same for reading from sdcard

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so only two possibilities really:

  • mister main does mess up the data when "converting" them at load time
  • the core is not able to read them from sdram
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So if your mister main is at the correct version, i feel like only the sdram can be the issue

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Unfortunatly that is the hardest part to find out and try, because it would require to have a different sdram or different base board(pin issue)

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Not trying to do a monologue here, mostly posting this if someone else here does have another idea

acoustic vortex
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I'm speaking to support, who are aware of this thread. Currently they're testing my SD card image, but it's been 3 different installs of mr fusion so I doubt that it's the issue.

lament escarp
acoustic vortex
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Also I am extremely thankful for that monologue anyways

wanton sun
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to be honest: we haven't had any of such issues in the last year, so the chance for some individual hardware defect is unfortunatly high

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given that the clone boards are very new still, it's not all that unlikely

lament escarp
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It's weird though that their ram made it through that memtest for several hours just fine innit?

acoustic vortex
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it's all weird

wanton sun
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yes, that's why i was so cautious blaming the sdram, but with the current situation i don't see what else. But i'm open to other ideas

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if sometimes it makes it slightly into mario64, it cannot be the boot rom either

worn delta
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Is it worth trying to run the symtests and see if those run OK?

jolly turret
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I hope you can sort it out eventually, unfortunately the possibility for issues is always present with any new hardware. Huge respect to @wanton sun for doing his best with troubleshooting and trying to narrow down the issue.

hidden bolt
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In case someone wants to test this, here is a patch for Rayman 2 NTSC. This is the same fix as RE2 and polaris snocross. When finishing a level right before the save option it can randomly crash (maybe 1 in 8 chance). Without the patch I was able to crash the game in about 10 minutes by doing the "walk of power" race repeatedly. With the patch I did this for about an hour without any crashes.

Due to the added delays this patch can impact performance of the game a little bit but the N64 Core tends to have better than N64 performance anyway so this might even be more accurate, although I have no way to confirm this. The turbo core can also be used for better performance of course although I did not test the patch on that.

📎 Rayman2forN64CorePatchNTSCv1.bps
weary perch
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Wow!

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Thank you @hidden bolt !! ❤️

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I will test it shortly

mossy vector
topaz otter
wanton sun
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considering that multiple games depend on the same patch, maybe @hidden bolt can explain more what exactly the patch does. If the games starts a DMA and depends on a certain time for it to finish, we probably can't do much, but if it's reading the status from the RSP, we might can.
In worst case, we can stall the CPU in these situations or don't start the RSP when a DMA is still pending or such things

hidden bolt
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So maybe making the RSP run faster somehow will fix these problems too.

wanton sun
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so the cpu expects the RSP to be finished after a while, without checking for it to be really finished/idle?

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what does it depend on then? does it start a DMA but the rsp is not ready? does it read from the rsp?

hidden bolt
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Well I don't actually know for sure that the RSP needs the head start or something else needs the extra wait. I just assumed it was the RSP since it might do some DMA's which could be delayed by the random ram latency but it could be something else entirely as well.

wanton sun
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ok...makes it hard to guess then. For compatibility i could add a optional pause on 0x125 RSP status writes for the cpu by just blocking the register write ready for some time

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so the rsp status write would take e.g. 1000 clock cycles, so it should behave the same as the patch?

hidden bolt
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so this would resume the rsp and then the cpu would just be stalled for some cycles?

wanton sun
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yes

hidden bolt
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the big downside of that if enabled for all games is that it would cause slowdown depending on the amount of cycles

wanton sun
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that's why i would do it optionally in the debug menu and database could activate it based on the title

hidden bolt
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Yeah, that could work, although the japanese puzzle game needed a lot more wait then polaris and RE2, and rugrats needed a delay on PI DMA's as well

wanton sun
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what about stalling only for the next CPU<->RSP communication? Assuming it could only crash because of a following access, can't we instead stall the CPU at the next RSP read/write access after a start, but only if the RSP is not idle again? e.g.

  • start with 0x125
  • RSP runs
  • CPU does whatever with the RSP regs
    -> stall CPu and don't execute read/write until RSP is idle
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that way we have adjusted wait time only for as long as needed

hidden bolt
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Yeah maybe but I don't know for sure that the RSP will idle by itself, the game usually sends a command to stop it before doing a RSP DMA and then resuming it.

wanton sun
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so it basically depends on the CPU being slower than the RSP, but our CPU is faster on average and RSP is slower on average...

hidden bolt
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Maybe but these are just assumptions by me, I would have to investigate more to be sure

wanton sun
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well, maybe it's better to keep the core design as is then and have it as patch. As soon as there would be unshared memory on another board, the random timing should be gone

hidden bolt
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I guess the easiest way to find out is to add random timings to Ares and see if it breaks in the same way.

wanton sun
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but isn't Polaris still broken in Ares?

hidden bolt
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I don't know, but I think emulators also simulate random timings right? So maybe they are slow enough for Polaris to crash but not for RE2, might be a edge case

wanton sun
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Polaris and RE2 are both mentioned to hang occasionally

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at least on the web page, on github they are not mentioned, so i don't know

hidden bolt
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I think Ares has had some memory timing fixes over the years, so maybe it is fixed now.

wanton sun
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In any case, thanks for the patch. It's the best short term solution we have now.

hidden bolt
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Yeah, I might look into it some more at some point.

wanton sun
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maybe if you have time for it in the future, you could take a look if it's possible to do that wait on cpu side later, not directly after the start. If you shift it further and further in the program flow, we could find at which spot it breaks, so which action after the start really depends on the wait

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(i really have no idea how you manipulate the game code at all , so i can't say how difficult that is...)

hidden bolt
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Sure, something like that, I could at least try to do the wait before the rsp resumes instead of after.

hidden bolt
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I just tested it and doing the wait before rsp resume at least doesn't work. Trying various spots after resume is possible but it would take some time.

wanton sun
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interesting, so it must be something else that happens in between

hidden bolt
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it aligns with the RSP isn't fast enough idea. I guess the RSP is supposed to DMA something to memory that just isn't ready when the cpu needs it. but yeah the only way to find out is running through the program after RSP resumes and seeing when it breaks.

solemn marlin
dusty moon
hidden bolt
dusty moon
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No, standard

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also possible i'm memory holing a single crash, chances of 0 or 1 crashes after 21 levels is about 24%

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i certainly don't remember having to replay any levels due to a crash though

hidden bolt
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the chance might be lower then, I didn't test it that much, just know that after doing about 5 to 10 repetitions of the race level it would crash

dusty moon
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Interesting, I was just re-reading the level list again, and realized I didn't play either of the race levels (Walk of Life/Walk of Power) since they're optional

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So it might be a higher chance on the race levels

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Or if it is 1 in 8 on every level, that's only 19 levels beaten, so about an 8% chance of never seeing a crash. unlikely but not impossible

hidden bolt
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the bug report also said that it happens more often in later levels, don't know if that is true but that would also decrease the chances for a full play through

neat sierra
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Buy a lotto ticket just in case

unique coral
# wanton sun yes, that's why i was so cautious blaming the sdram, but with the current situat...

Many years ago, I had a 32mb module from Antonio Villena with a non alliance brand chip on it(cant remember the name anymore) and it would pass memtest up to 140ish mhz but always corrupt when playing one of Jotegos cores. Turned out it didn't like some timing or refresh parameter alliance chips had no problem with. So I wouldn't trust memtest completely as it seems it doesn't test everything.

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ah, looking at my old DMs it was a Winbond chip and the core was Jotegos Tiger road. It was fixed by him with relaxed timings on that core.

unique coral
magic girder
lean spruce
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If I remember correctly it was Jotegos findings with the memory issue that propted the v.3.0 of SDRAM. Maybe the difference between 2.5 and 3.0 also explained why Saturn core in the beginning only was stable on 3.0

acoustic vortex
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yeah I think there’s just a level of variance in these Etrontech chips, and its controller or something is simply getting confused with the N64 instructions.

Or the clone boards are just stupid heads and don’t like different cores for little apparent reason and I’m gonna have a much more annoying time. Who knows. Really did get this with the push that I could play some Sin & Punishment.

Or this is baseless and something on my end is straight up messed

compact depot
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@acoustic vortex did you try the DDR3 RAM test core already?

glass walrus
acoustic vortex
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rich warren
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Make sure it's rated for at least 5v 3a

compact depot
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Better make it 4A just in case

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I use a 6A with two of my MiSTers (they have a SSD connected to them)

naive briar
acoustic vortex
naive briar
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I flashed your image 3 times and just renaming them makes it go from black screen to loading correctly

compact depot
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Bad micro sd?

acoustic vortex
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I had proper boot.rom/boot1.rom files on my other sd, and on this one

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doesn't seem to be the issue.

naive briar
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It's very strange that doing that one change makes your image work for me. If it still doesn't work for you, it has to be some issue with this SD.

acoustic vortex
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Should I return the SD card I initially and continue to have this same issue with? I mean, it's happening on both. The point of failure isn't likely to be the SanDisk 512GB Extreme AND my other 16GB SD card, is it?

naive briar
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I don't know. When I fixed your issue by renaming those files on the image you created, I thought that would be it for you. The physical hardware shouldn't be the cause for games not loading for you right now, especially with all of the other testing you've passed.

mossy vector
acoustic vortex
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I doubt this’d be the issue if the image is working on other sd cards

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atomic stratus
mossy vector
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So you are using Windows? And could you be yanking the device without ejecting after writing Zelda or whatever game to it?

acoustic vortex
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I’m using Windows and not once have I removed the sd card without ejecting

compact depot
acoustic vortex
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it's getting a working image onto and off of itself as proven by taki

mossy vector
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There's more to it, hard to explain. Multiple partitions on SD cards aren't standard. Whole disk images are reliable.

compact depot
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Zero SSD detection issues with it so far

atomic stratus
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excellent, thanks! I’m actually not sure if power is even my issue, but I could use another PSU anyways so it’s worth a shot

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power seems to be the most likely culprit, though

woven jackal
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Anyone try the mouse on the core? is it only compatible with Mario Artist?

acoustic vortex
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I could try my 3ds's SD card after cloning its image I guess? I'll try it out.

mossy vector
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Linux does its weird SD partitioning thing (raspberry pi, mister, etc) after the initial boot. What works for me is to use WinSCP to transfer the games after mister main is setup and running.

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While it should work, Windows and bad device drivers can mess up the SD file system. It is not common, but it can happen.

woven jackal
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Using the mouse myself right now. It is just really slow

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Oh I know remember, the mouse was for FPS game, not actually replicating the N64 mouse. Would love to hear from people who actually play Goldeneye and stuff this way

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@wanton sun , what exactly is the use case for Mouse for P1?

wanton sun
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yes, i played 007 TWINE and starcraft with it

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you can adjust the sensitivity

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it's a parameter in mister.ini: e.g. i use mouse_throttle=1

woven jackal
# wanton sun it's a parameter in mister.ini: e.g. i use mouse_throttle=1

Thank you, I will definitely mess around with that. Just an fyi, I am writing the N64 core highlights for the MiSTer documentation, so I hope you don't mind if I ask some other qustions. I know I lurked and followed the whole development, but honestly there is a lot I've jsut forgotten outside of the basics

rich warren
#

I use balena etcher with the Mr Fusion img file extracted and never had an issue. The SD card will disappear from windows after writing the image

mossy vector
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I don't believe the initial card setup is the issue being faced. Its about adding game files to the fat partition that mister creates.

rich warren
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Ah - all the more reason to use an FTP client

fair stump
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Could try cifs if it's the game loading from the sd

proven parcel
#

Wondering if it’s a RAM issue - Resident Evil 2 also isn’t booting on my clone board.

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I tried KoF 2003 on the NeoGeo, though, which loaded fine.

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Going to run a RAM test for a few hours, see if it finds anything.

rich warren
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RE2 works on my Taki clone - let N64 run all day and no issues

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didn't do anything special either
image SD card with Mr Fusion, 1st boot, setup wifi, copy over update_all, configure and run update_all, configure MiSTer.ini file, copy roms over

proven parcel
#

The SD card and USB drive the games are loading off of are directly from a DE-10 setup, so I don’t suspect it’s a configuration issue. These ROMs all work on a DE-10 board with the same card & drive.

silent marten
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Does the official RAM board work on a clone? And is someone willing to test it to see if that fixes the issue, I don't have a clone or I would test it when I am not at work

vast delta
silent marten
compact depot
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2 people having issues is actually great from 2K people who got a MiSTer Pi

acoustic vortex
proven parcel
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Seems stable at 147 MHz for mine so far.

acoustic vortex
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n64 core still decides to not load games whatsoever

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except once with sin & punishment's treasure logo, and a few times with the sm64 title screen

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tried another sd card, no dice. I'm suspecting it's something about the sdram. tempted to grab some from misteraddons but I don't want it to be in vain

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also, money.

compact depot
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My bet is on DDR3 failure than SDRAM

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145MHz is also pretty good

proven parcel
wanton sun
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if the NICCC demo ran fine for one hour, i doubt it's ddr3. This demo uses DDR3 all the time

wanton sun
mossy vector
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Crappy socket connection? Seat the SDRAM module almost all the way down with like a folded piece of paper gap?

compact depot
#

I would be very surprised if memtest don’t get that kind of errors

wanton sun
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did they post a screenshot? I'm not sure if everyone will look at the 3 in the second line being there, telling it really detected a 128mbyte module

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but sure, it's only a theory. Still strange other games work, but two 64mbyte sized ones do not

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(64mbyte game in the core means you need more than 64 mbyte, due to other stuff being in the low Mbytes)

compact depot
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@acoustic vortex please post a screenshot of memtest after running it for at least 15 minutes

remote hatch
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use C key to switch between chips

fair stump
#

This was the last memtest screen they posted
#1096015979055697940 message

topaz otter
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that would rule out transferring files to the sd card

proven parcel
acoustic vortex
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I'm not up to date with what needs patches

remote hatch
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they do not need patches to run

proven parcel
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Running through the titles of largest file size. I just tried Perfect Dark - it runs.

acoustic vortex
proven parcel
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Aidyn Chronicles, WWF Attitude, ECW Hardcore Revolution, Banjo-Tooie, Ogre Battle 64, and Pokémon Stadium 2 all work. It’s just RE2 and Conker’s Bad Fur Day which give me a black screen.

zinc dew
proven parcel
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I’ve tried the European ROM of Conker with no change, and the same ROM works on the DE-10 board. Debug ROM has the same issue, and currently refuses to load on the clone board.

compact depot
#

Can you kill the MiSTer process and start it from a ssh session and see if the logs show something about the rom loading?

hushed nova
#

it really sounds like an sdram issue if rom size is a factor

compact depot
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We need a core that loads big rom files and show their crc32

proven parcel
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Will need some help with that, though - I’m not super familiar with logging into the MiSTer remotely.

hushed nova
#

does the mem test switch chips automatically?

proven parcel
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I don’t think so - I’m running the test specifically on the second chip now. I went for an hour with the settings as default with a similar result.

hushed nova
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oh hmm. does the n64 use ddr3 rom loading?

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wtf if I run mem test on my mister it brings up bt pairing

rich warren
#

Must have downloaded more ram to pair with in the cloud

lament escarp
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Maybe a pin is bent so the ram connected via bt

topaz otter
ripe cargo
#

Any ideas on why the Memtest wont run? All cores load fine but when I load the memtest, the tv goes blank and says no signal detected and I have to reboot the Mister to get back to the menu.

green epoch
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Do you have direct video enabled?

ripe cargo
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video mode is 2560x1440 60hz

green epoch
#

Hrm. All other cores work?

ripe cargo
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yep. tested Neo Geo, N64, PSX, and Dual RAM Saturn

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Also tried redownloading the Memtest .rbf file.

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Got it working. I guess it doesnt like 1440 resolution. Switched to 1080 and its working now.

acoustic vortex
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isn’t 1440 a bit hacky?

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uses horiz line doubling or sum

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it’s only actually supported with 4:3

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otherwise you might have issues

latent dagger
#

yes. the most the MiSTer outputs properly is 1920x1440.
Going 16:9 requires a bit of hackyness

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you can also specify the main menu to be a different resolution than what the system outputs the rest of the time you aren't in that main menu, so you can still have that widescreen look with the wallpapers when on the main menu but the moment you load into anything else it'll be 4:3

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@acoustic vortex can you explain what "Titronimo" is in your BIO?

acoustic vortex
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It’s my old Roblox bio verbatim

acoustic vortex
latent dagger
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I don't think so?

zinc dew
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It doesn’t

latent dagger
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pretty sure Low Latency is happening regardless

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it's just telling the system to push and update the frames as they come without a buffer

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normally VSync uses a double or triple buffer just in case a frame doesn't make it in time correclty to be synced, it has a couple fallbacks

acoustic vortex
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I mean in terms of a blanking screen upon the res switch

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or is that already happening

latent dagger
#

still sends the frames as it's supposed to. again, it just tells things not to buffer frames. so if you get weird frame pacing during the black screen transitioning into a core, doesn't matter cuz it's a black screen.

#

and you woudn't know it's happening

acoustic vortex
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I understand now

latent dagger
#

vsync still tries to sync the framerate with the refresh for pacing so that there's no screen tearing.
low latency tells the vsync not to buffer extra copies of frames

acoustic vortex
#

the osd in the core isn’t doing the res switching actively

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the res switches for the core and the osd while in the core

latent dagger
#

in regards to cores themselves doing res switching while in games it's irrelevent because the system is scaling that internal resolution to a final output before it gets sent to the display

acoustic vortex
#

yeah

zinc dew
#

The ability for the MiSTer to do above 1080p resolutions without issue is silicon lottery on the HDMI chip.

#

So generally recommended to just do 1080p and utilize an upscaler if you want a higher res.

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Or let your TV upscale it.

vast delta
#

Didnt Jotego have a different sdram testing core?

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Perhaps give that a shot?

polar raft
latent dagger
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I'm sure the MiSTer on a technical level outputs properly something more than 1920x1440 but the res would be super oddball with the numbers kind of like how that iPad retina res looks all non standard and the closest standard was 1920x1440 so that's what was supported and said is "the most it can do without hacks"

wanton sun
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always keep in mind that timing closure is calculated for 1920x1080. Everything above is driving the FPGA out of spec and might work or might not. Full 2560x1440 would be 77% above spec. Compared against that, the n64 turbo core is slow 🙃

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(there might be some tricks to push the pixel clock down a bit in the high res modes, but the main message is the same)

ripe cargo
#

Thanks to all for the info. I will switch back to 1080p until I can get a Retrotink 4k and ill use that to bump it up to 4k.

zinc dew
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So I’ve got a morph4k and it’s a well crafted device and does an amazing job. But honestly you won’t really see much of a difference on upscaling 1080p content with the MiSTer. The HDMI video on the MiSTer is ultra sharp as it is and the built-in shadow masks and filters already make the games look authentically retro.

Spend your money however you like but unless your HDTV suck at upscaling, has insane lag when upscaling, or have other old consoles to use it on; I’d save your money for something else.

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Works great with the Switch though. I force it to 720p (since most games do that and not 1080) and upscaling it to 4K makes everything razor sharp instead of relying on the Switch’s internal upscaler.

zenith notch
zinc dew
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Oh that’s a great point!

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I don’t know. I’ll have to check. My morph is used in the family room where my kids dominate the TV lol.

zenith notch
#

Would be great if you could give some impressions, I'm sure the motion adaptive options will be great but res swithing being slow would be a bit of a deal breaker.

zinc dew
#

Important to note I was given a free morph4k so I am going to be biased. Also I’m no expert haha.

random bloom
# zenith notch How does the Morph deal with 480i content and resolution switches? Having better...

I have an RT4k, not a morph, but it's very good with deinterlacing. The motion adaptive deinterlace has far fewer artefacts than the bob or weave used in the core. Res switching is also instantaneous if you use the frame buffer mode which only adds a single frame of latency. Very much acceptable for most games that frequently switch. Having said that, the ps1 core can have the 480i and 240p timings be matched to one another for the sake of not losing sync. Looks good over HDMI as it still applies the deinterlace as it should. Looks bad over analogue because the 480i becomes a wobbly 240p. Could send a 480p or 1080p image to a scaler if that's what you're about though. N64 and Saturn cores don't have this feature though. The only issue I've had with the RT4k is that it doesn't play nice with my HDMI switch with consoles that output LPCM surround sound, but that's a very specifically me problem. From what I've seen though, the morph is quite similar in its abilities to RT4k.

zinc dew
#

this there’s an expert!

zenith notch
wanton sun
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n64 core doesn't need a sync 240p/480i feature, just use 480p mode instead. Will be highest quality for 480i content and easily beats any deinterlacing method 🙂

cerulean elk
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My old Samsung was adding a frame plus on the scale which sucked

zinc dew
cerulean elk
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Thankfully new OLED doesn’t so I may remove the scaler and just let the tv do it 🤷🏻‍♂️ I get where you are coming from. Scaler feels less essential

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For MiSTer

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I previewed MiSTer / Tink on the LG C4 OLED vs just MiSTer plugged in and you are right…it’s not some night and day diff

zinc dew
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But you do make a good point. I used it in my OLED too lol

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I can imagine people with cheap 4K panels can really benefit from an upscaler

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Brb grocery shopping

cerulean elk
thorn quiver
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Hatful of beans

wanton sun
zinc dew
robust cave
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how do you turn on 480p mode for the n64 core?

ivory laurel
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The intro shows it clearly

neat sierra
#

Robert hits Robby with 200 points of psychic damage

thorn quiver
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You dont have to be psychic to do damage with all those beans

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He's like a propane tank

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Sorry, nonsense levels are high

zinc dew
thorn quiver
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Most Texan item I have seen

cerulean elk
wanton sun
wanton sun
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we could have arbitrary correct aspect ratio, the code for that exists, but i think it must be done on core side, so it has significant ressource cost

ivory laurel
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No need, the core is in pretty good shape

#

It delivers original visuals and many optional tweaks

#

The bilinear off for integer VI scaling could be a neat addition 😊

wanton sun
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yes, i need to change the last testbuilds deblur implementation to that instead, it makes more sense

ivory laurel
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Many game devs abused that bilinear filtering feature

topaz otter
# zinc dew

Look at this madman eating gas station bag pickles

random girder
#

I tested both Conker's Bad Fur Day and Resident Evil 2 with Taki's clone, no problems running them. Both USA versions if that matters.

#

I set up my MiSTer following @cerulean elk's advice in a recent video. Pretty standard setup I think. Mr Fusion, update_all, and the default MiSTer.ini except for turning on direct video.

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Haven't had any issues with any cores or any N64 games.

compact depot
#

User error and hardware failures are perfectly possible. Pretty sure Taki’s support will be able to address both cases!

#

So far, great experience here with MiSTer Pi

zinc dew
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Hell yes where’s the handheld. I want a handheld N64.

compact depot
zinc dew
#

Man really, but I want a Taki handheld

random girder
#

Is it weird that I want the handheld, mainstream, and flagship?

zinc dew
random girder
#

I guess it's weird then.

zinc dew
remote hatch
#

I am waiting for the console version elmorise

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zinc dew
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If it wasn’t PS1 themed I wouldn’t be interested but I got hit right in the nostalgia

compact depot
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I will probably get each of anything Taki launches

zinc dew
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How’s import and custom fees

compact depot
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Will try to get a second MiSTer Pi though 🤭

zinc dew
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I know you guys get hit by that so I’m hoping it’s better with Taki clones

compact depot
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I’m currently living in the US so you know the drill

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Customs in Brazil sucks big time yes 😔

#

A friend of mine has actually been hit very lightly by Brazilian customs

zinc dew
#

Oh nice, you’re in the US! Did you get your welcome gun yet?

compact depot
#

$20 taxes

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Wondering if taki is declaring a lower value?

compact depot
random girder
#

The customs agent hands you a gun along with your passport after stamping it.

glossy lake
#

And firework mortars, cant forget them

zinc dew
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I have 6 run ranges within 5 miles of me and 11 horse stables.

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I am cowboy

iron dove
#

Horses do like to run

ripe cargo
zinc dew
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Damn that’s crazy

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Yeah it definitely should!

lament escarp
zinc dew
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I just do HDMI

lament escarp
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Dv is via HDMI

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The tink sends the original res and meta data on how to crop the picture and the scaler does all the scaling and deinterlacing and such.

#

The rt4k can even auto load profiles for individual cores, dunno bout morph.

zinc dew
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Ohhhhhhhhh

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I will have to annoy you later about when I rebook my MiSTer back up lol

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Thanks for teaching me!

lament escarp
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You know how old people are with technology 🙃 no problem.

rich warren
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No extra fees

kind mountain
#

For what it’s worth I loaded conkers on my mister pi the other day and played for 15-20 mins no problem. Will try RE2 tonight

topaz otter
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whats the deal with the mister pi

turbid warren
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cheaper mister boards 🙂

topaz otter
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interesting

turbid warren
#

sounds like the de-10 nano clone board works just as well as the real thing

topaz otter
#

is it true that the chips for these are pulls from recycled units?

compact depot
topaz otter
compact depot
topaz otter
remote hatch
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I wonder if anyone has evidence to support this claim? Haha

topaz otter
#

that would have to be a lot of chips pulled to support each batch, its probably bullshit

remote hatch
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Me thinks they are taken from spaceships 😂

#

Yeah , 2k boards sold

topaz otter
#

also why is it called Pi

compact depot
zinc dew
deft matrix
#

Heya, just thought I'd come and report some visual glitching with Pokémon models in Pokémon Stadium 2. I've also had the core seemingly crash a few times. I've had no problems with Stadium 1 or SSB so I think my Taki Udon setup is working okay with the core

chrome quest
#

What kind of model glitches? Are they repeatable?

deft matrix
#

I managed to capture a crash, although it hasn't happened since. The models in this menu behave the same (repeatable) and I also noticed similar behaviour from Pokémon models during a battle

chrome quest
#

Nice capture of it! Hmm, not seen that before. I think I'll have to leave it to more experts here as to how to test, might be something with your hardware.
At least, as far as I know, that is not the regular experience of Stadium 2. Not personally either.
Do you have a new build?

deft matrix
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its definitely not the regular experience. core provided by update_all as of a few days ago. 24.08.18

compact depot
deft matrix
#

clone

compact depot
deft matrix
#

normal as far as i'm aware

rare relic
zinc dew
solemn marlin
#

A friend asked if all games for the core worked and I said basically everything except for conker and resident evil 2 which you might have to patch

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Is that a somewhat correct assessment?

neat sierra
solemn marlin
#

Okay so that's not a test build but the actual build now? I guess that's all then, not sure how the n64dd titles should be counted

jolly turret
solemn marlin
#

That only leaves like some of the features in patched n64dd games missing but I don't think that's a core issue

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Not even sure there are any emulators that can play the clean dumps

weary perch
#

i've been testing the Rayman 2 patch Ruleset posted. i haven't had any crashes, but i have heard a few weird audio things. some "pops" i hadn't heard previously, but only during the intro. i made sure i was using the latest core with all the audio fixes

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not confident about it, though. gonna try and test it some more

quick otter
#

maybe to debug if crashes is due ddr3 latency we can do a build removing ascal. Ofc, it should be tested on a crt (more comfortable than killing main)

sullen harbor
#

Was there a core update today?

zenith orchid
#

So what doesn't work with the latest build?

#

I'm guessing update-all updates the database and what have you?

sullen harbor
#

So there was a new build?

ripe cargo
green epoch
ripe cargo
green epoch
#

Some tvs have trouble up scaling from 1080p > 4k, which can introduce latency, unfortunately

lament escarp
# ripe cargo So if Im using Mister straight to my 4k tv should I be using Direct video or sel...

Lag should be about the same. The rt4k shouldn't introduce much anyway. The reason why you should use direct video is that the rt4k does a way better job at scaling than the mister itself does. A good example are the pokemon games on gameboy. If you're using 1080p and fullscreen on mister you'll see that the eyes of the characters are not the same size. If you use the rt4k and scale fullscreen they're perfectly the same.

lament escarp
hushed nova
#

it's not going to 'work' fed directly into a TV is what they meant

green epoch
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Yes, sorry, that’s what I meant

lament escarp
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Yeah sure, it's for scalers

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Like morph or rt4k

green epoch
#

Yeah

neat sierra
#

It’s for DACs

lament escarp
#

My reading comprehension isn't the best at 3:30am 🥲

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storm vessel
#

So the autopatcher requires the current mister unstable and the n64-database.txt in the n64 games folder, yes?

rich warren
#

I like to use the 1080p 5x option to crop a little off the screen for cores that support it. "Interpolation Only" video filter preset evens out the pixels to prevent shimmering and googly eyes. Makes it a little blurry, but still pretty sharp

hushed nova
#

patcher doesn't require unstable

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it is in released main

storm vessel
#

My main mister is on 20240912 just updated

rich warren
#

You don't need to download the patches. They are built into the db (corrected)

storm vessel
hushed nova
#

they're built into the database, actually

jolly turret
#

@solemn marlin I tested the Sim City 64 DD conversion rom today and indeed there is an issue with it. It seems like one of the instruments, likely the tambourine, does not get played back correctly and is instead replaced by some kind of blip sound.

I can not tell if this is caused by the core of maybe how the rom was patched. I did however check a conversion rom for F-Zero X Expansion Kit, which was running without any issues at all. Maybe @wanton sun is interested in looking into it.

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@weary perch I also checked on Flying Dragon for you. The audio quality sometimes is a bit garbled, in a similar way like Battlezone, but other than an occasional clicking sound or audio dropout, which could be happening with the real console as well, I couldn't detect anything unusual. I'll message you a download like to the file I recorded so that you can compare them.

solemn marlin
hidden bolt
tropic cypress
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Hi. I think that I'm doing something wrong, but I can not understand what.
First, I have run update_all before I wrote this message 😄

It looks like if I run the games from the SD card, they work, but If I run them from a network mount (cifs), even if they are not compressed, they do not work.

is this a well-known issue or I'm doing something wrong?

#

As a not, the cifs mount works with Megadrive and Sega Saturn, and it gets the N64 files and uncompress them, but the games refused to load

#

Solved, boot.rom was not on the network mount ;D

wanton sun
hidden bolt
kind mountain
# tropic cypress Solved, boot.rom was not on the network mount ;D

Yeah update_all downloads to the fat/games folder, it should probably check if fat/cifs exists. I’ve considered mounting most of media/fat to the network share so I can just use the regular games folder but I like being able to unplug it and take it somewhere now and still have a usable SD card

tropic cypress
fair stump
thorn flax
#

hey, what n64 romhacks work on the core and are good?

magic girder
thorn flax
#

looks like most of kaze’s don’t

kind mountain
kind mountain
#

Hummmm. So RE2 gets to the graphic warning screen then goes black for me. Conkers works tho.

I've tried multiple rom versions with the same results. Any ideas? The other auto patched games like Jetforce function just fine

zinc dew
#

Tons of rom hacks work on the core. If you’re interested in Mario 64 rom hacks then the site https://romhacking.com conveniently has a hardware compatibility column.

kind mountain
hidden bolt
# weary perch i've been testing the Rayman 2 patch Ruleset posted. i haven't had any crashes, ...

I just made a patch that only enables a delay when the save yes/no option is displayed (which is when the game crashes) and the game crashed after about an hour of retrying the race level. So I think the crash is just too rare for me to try and find a fix for it. Maybe it would not crash with a longer delay but there are too many variables considering how hard it is to trigger the crash. If someone can find a more consistent crash I can try and look at it again.

weary perch
#

thank you Ruleset. i've not seen a crash with the first patch yet, and i wasn't entirely confident about the audio popping because my volume was set too low when i was testing to be really sure. it seems more stable than unpatched, at least

#

i'll let you know if i find a reliable way to crash it

weary perch
#

@hidden bolt do you mind sharing that second patch you made? i just want to see if i can confirm or deny the audio issues i thought i heard the other day - basically i just want to see if a) the first patch actually has audio issues and b) if the second one helps with that (even if it still crashes)

hidden bolt
weary perch
#

presumably this means the first patch will eventually crash if you play long enough, yeah?

#

just by the odds

hidden bolt
#

yes, I think so, maybe the delay should be enabled even before the save option is displayed, but I think I just got (un)lucky when testing the first patch

weary perch
#

thank you

#

i've got some time today, i'll try to see if i can make patch-1 crash, and also see if i can confirm/deny the audio issues i was hearing

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i've not seen the first patch crash yet, but i've not been spamming one level, just playing thru the game normally

hidden bolt
#

I though it was about 1 in 8 chance at first, but maybe it is much rarer, like 1 in 30 or something

deft matrix
kind mountain
deft matrix
#

I'm guessing the core shouldn't be doing this on boot too

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rich warren
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@deft matrix turn on "Fixed Video Blanks" in the Video & Audio settings

deft matrix
#

ah, thanks

deft matrix
#

I'm getting E00000040 when trying to boot Conker and RE2, Stadium 2 eventually crashed to the same code... Feels like something is off with my Taki Udon Mister :s

mellow raft
#

(80MHz)

deft matrix
#

no, regular

mellow raft
#

you have the latest N64 database from update_all?

deft matrix
#

yes

mellow raft
#

The N64 auto patch feature hasn't released to stable yet I think

kind mountain
#

going to load pokemon stadium 2 on my taki board and let it run for a bit.

I still can't get RE2 to load

hushed nova
#

it has been

#

no need for unstable

mellow raft
mellow raft
#

Md5 or sha1 or crc or something to that effect.

deft matrix
#

Conker CRC32: CE8CC172
Stadium 2: A9998E09
RE2: 832EA1DA

mellow raft
#

Looks to be correct.

kind mountain
# 
MD5: 1add2c0217662b307cdfd876b35fbf7a
SHA1: 62ec19bead748c12d38f6c5a7ab0831edbd3d44b
SHA256: 71f3f779613bf1f0e2050bfa600425385d2c257a647d2e40f63be1a7986e9aac
SHA512: 3020c734a75677efea73883b15b236ebad05a13b8964fc2b657ce28e7bed561389c58313d7fbdc7331f3a372d3d5a4b4c1c0f9d0bc93a08bb2da8a503a88fcb7```
mellow raft
#

Then try again.

mellow raft
kind mountain
deft matrix
#

I quoted the rev 0 RE2 rom above

deft matrix
kind mountain
#

848FBC0D for RE2 Rev1

mellow raft
#

and 1.0 is confirmed to be correct: 832EA1DA

#

roms are clean

thorn flax
deft matrix
mellow raft
#

And can you upload your n64 database file?

deft matrix
#

240912, I think?

mellow raft
#

the MiSTer main updated yesterday

deft matrix
mellow raft
#

Download this file (MiSTer) and overwrite the one in your root of the SD card. If you're doing it over ethernet, I highly recommend waiting a minute before rebooting the MiSTer after transfer

kind mountain
#

would that not pull in via update_all yet?

mellow raft
#

IIRC sometimes manually replacing the file prevents it from updating. I would check to see if the hashes match

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they should

kind mountain
#

humm yeah updater tells me distribution_mister, nothing new to download from given sources. I'll replace the binary

hushed nova
#

240912 is the latest release

kind mountain
#

replaced and still says MiSTer v240912 lol. I don't see a newer release

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and N64 is 24.08.18

mellow raft
#

Why are you taking my advice? I'm talking to speedlolita

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I didn't know you were having trouble as well.

kind mountain
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also having issues on a taki board so I'm just following along LOL

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😉

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Less issues... but still issues

mellow raft
#

I see lol

neat sierra
#

creeper!

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I’m creeping you creeping them

deft matrix
#

mine has stopped booting 🤡 guess i'm getting onto taki udon...

kind mountain
#

creeping the creep

tropic cypress
#

Off topic, what controller are you using?

kind mountain
#

This is what RE2 is doing for me. Gets past the first couple of splash screens then black.

However it seems Pokémon stadium and conkers is fine and other autopatcher games like jet force Gemini are fine too

green epoch
#

I have a mister pi. What games are having folks with? RE2? I can run some tests too

neat sierra
#

Or did it stop booting because you got too aggressive deleting from the sdcard? Could Mr fusion and try from scratch

deft matrix
#

I only replaced two files, I guess I'll try that though. Nothing to lose

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oh, lol

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it posted, I shouldn't have replaced the menu rbf I guess!

kind mountain
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have you done a memtest out of curiosity?

plush summit
green epoch
#

I can confirm that the mister pi doesn't load RE2. Same rom loaded in to a retrocastle mister and a taki mister pi. Loads fine on the mister. Black screen on the mister pi

kind mountain
#

F

green epoch
#

what was the other game?

kind mountain
#

speed was having issues with conkers and pokemon stadium 2 but those seem fine on my mister pi

deft matrix
kind mountain
#

I was at 147 after like 3 hours. so that rules that out

neat sierra
#

Rather than just the rom

green epoch
neat sierra
green epoch
deft matrix
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mini-games

green epoch
kind mountain
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its the middle option on the main menu then mini games at top of the map

kind mountain
green epoch
kind mountain
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oof

deft matrix
#

there's some error reporting thing you can enable in the core. what does it show if you enable that?

green epoch
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hold on, seeing if I can get this menu to crash

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can't get the menu to crash

green epoch
kind mountain
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RE2 after the splash screens

IMG_6113.jpg
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With error reporting on

green epoch
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three's company

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luuuuckeee, you get the splash screens

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I get a quick white flash and then nothing

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checking conker for poops and grins

kind mountain
green epoch
#

conker just sits at a black screen with no error code

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no sound or anything

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Is there an unstable I should be trying? update_unstable doesn't pull the n64 core

kind mountain
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This is weird. Mine seems ok? so I have a mostly working board and you guys have a partially working? :X

deft matrix
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hooray!

green epoch
#

since it's reproducible, I'm sure it will get sorted out

mellow raft
#

Make sure everything is updated I'd say

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@deft matrix you're saying you got it fixed?

kind mountain
#

maybe just happy there was someone else to share the misery lol

green epoch
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no I think they were happy that they weren't the only ones with issues :p

deft matrix
#

oh no, that was sarcasm

mellow raft
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Can you post a screenshot of your N64 core folder?

deft matrix
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I'm still running update_all rn lol

mellow raft
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It should look like this

dopus_2024-09-23_13-29-20.png
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along with whatever roms

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(N64-database_user.txt is optional to add yourself (you can add your own entries) and may not be there)

green epoch
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not sure what the copy is

mellow raft
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looks correct

kind mountain
#

what is mister-boot.z64

green epoch
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boot roms from update_all

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so it doesn't show a black screen

mellow raft
#

however your database is outdated @green epoch

kind mountain
#

I don't have that from update alll

green epoch
green epoch
mellow raft
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I believe it's one of the updates in Update_all

mellow raft
green epoch
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so in my SD card root I have this

CleanShot_2024-09-23_at_12.32.242x.png
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that's on the mister pi

mellow raft
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If you have a USB drive or cifs, the MiSTer will dynamically update whatever is present depending on the priorities set in your MiSTer.ini

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So if you have it mounting the games folders over the one in your SD card, then yes

green epoch
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oh let me see

solemn marlin
#

Is there a list of recommended brands/sd cards? Or is it always a lottery

kind mountain
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humm my update_all downloads bios to /media/fat/games over the cifs folder

green epoch
mellow raft
# 
SHARE="MiSTer/games"
SHARE_DIRECTORY=""
USERNAME="MiSTer"
PASSWORD="blablahstupiddog@#!"
LOCAL_DIR="*"
ADDITIONAL_MOUNT_OPTIONS=""
WAIT_FOR_SERVER="false"
MOUNT_AT_BOOT="false"
BASE_PATH="/media/fat/games"```
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I use this cifs_mount.ini for the cifs_mount script.

kind mountain
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ah you're replacing the games folder with the mountpoint

mellow raft
#

no

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I'm mounting each individual folder from the MiSTer/games share over each individual folder in the /media/fat/games/ folder

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so if they don't exist in my cifs mount, it uses whatever is in the SD card

green epoch
kind mountain
#

makes sense. I have it mounted in /media/fat/cifs since mister now uses that over games if it exists. This lets me rsync stuff down to the SD card for offline playing

green epoch
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in the script I have wait for server and mount at boot set to true

kind mountain
#

just the update script still goes to /games

mellow raft
#

it automatically loads the variables from the ini

green epoch
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(obviously filling in my own info)

mellow raft
mellow raft
green epoch
#

and that will cause update_all to update the cifs mount, not the sd card?

kind mountain
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for my usecase atleast

mellow raft
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tbh though... I see that the /media/fat/cifs folder is something they look at manually first .. hmm

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I'm not sure if update_all updates that folder yet. @whole tulip can you give some insight maybe?

mellow raft
kind mountain
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I put a sync.sh script in the scripts folder and can run it before I disconnect it from the network

DESTINATION="/media/fat/games/"

rsync -avh --progress --exclude '#recycle' "$SOURCE" "$DESTINATION"
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sometimes I will take it to the office for playing with coworkers

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but otherwise not often

mellow raft
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nods

kind mountain
#

I was going to submit a feature request to the downloader/update_all repo that if cifs folder is present to download bios there first but then I got distracted with work

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then got distracted trying to get RE2 to work

deft matrix
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no change to my situation at all

green epoch
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yeah, same

deft matrix
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both RE2 roms and conker don't load at all. stadium 2 crashes in the mini game select menu eventually

kind mountain
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just crashes sitting in that menu?

deft matrix
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correct

green epoch
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deteled the boot roms and database file, redownloaded them, same result

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sitting at the pokemon menu

deft matrix
#

to be more accurate, I was moving the cursor around. also the models appeared glitchy

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#1096015979055697940 message

green epoch
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yeah, I can't get it to crash. I sometimes see a glitch in delibird's right foot when I select them

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but that's it

kind mountain
#

To update the standings... speedlolita has a partially working board, thejesusfish has a sorta working board and I have a mostly working board

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we need more taki owners

random girder
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I posted yesterday. Mine works without any issues.

kind mountain
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you can load RE2?

random girder
#

Yup. Played to the first save point.

hushed nova
#

is there an rbf floating around of the ddr3 test Robert made?

wanton sun
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it's in the github

hushed nova
#

I think at some point that might not be a bad thing to have people run

wanton sun
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wait, i never uploaded the rbf?

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sorry for that, will upload the rbf into the github of the ddr3test asap

hushed nova
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and if it turns out to be useful might potentially be worth putting in the default dist as a utility core

random girder
#

I would just like to thank everyone that worked on this core. It's super impressive. And thanks for it being "done" by the time I got a MiSTer haha.

wanton sun
green epoch
wanton sun
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keep in mind that the ddr3 test only tests for bandwidth and latency, not for correct data!

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it wouldn't be that much effort to add that, but the purpose was only to see if mister ddr3 is fast enough for n64

finite quest
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I could probably set up better crt filter

kind mountain
wanton sun
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looks normal (for default settings)

deft matrix
hushed nova
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does the n64 core push ddr3 more than this?

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also I guess there's also a possibility the roms are being corrupted on upload? but that would be...interesting

wanton sun
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again, it seems that if people have issues, it mostly hits 64mbyte games which still makes me think it's the sdram module
I know it's asked much, but i would say the best bet would be if anyone with failing clone board would get a "known-good" 128mbyte sdram module

hushed nova
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oh hmm yeah forgot about that detail. one of those fun 'the sdram test is fine but...' situations

wanton sun
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i could be totally wrong, so i don't want to trick anyone in buying a 50$ module. Just my best guess 😦

deft matrix
#

TheJesusFish said he had a regular mister, perhaps he could try his other ram module for us

wanton sun
#

that would be super helpful to switch the sdram modules between them. Would do the community a big favor to either prove it or rule it out 👍

kind mountain
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is RE2 the biggest of the 64mbyte games? just strange on my setup that the other 64mbyte games are fine and RE2 gets through the first couple splash screens and crashes... but I guess bad ram could present itself in different ways

wanton sun
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we currently don't know at which point the 64mbyte games access the area. It's only the last 16mbyte that are on the second sdram chip

kind mountain
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humm cant find a sdram module to quickly "rent" from amazon :P. Hopefully jesusfish can swap those

green epoch
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I may have time to do it tonight. Assuming the retrocastle case is easy to disassemble

random girder
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Just drop it.

deft matrix
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found a comment on reddit from 6 days ago with a similar situation

image.png
kind mountain
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curious if other cores that require the ram function for you guys

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playing die hard arcade on saturn now

deft matrix
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i played sotn to the first save point just fine

kind mountain
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ah I think I saw that post

random girder
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That user has been posting here about it too. Assuming it's the same user, willuigi.

kind mountain
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so far fwwwn won the lottery

deft matrix
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sucks you can't run a random test with memtest, or maybe i'm reading this wrong

green epoch
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I have a dual sdram mister. does it matter which stick a pull?

rich warren
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My MiSTer Pi runs N64, Conker, RE2, and Pokemon Stadium with no problems

deft matrix
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it shouldn't do

kind mountain
#

2nd lottery winner has joined the chat

rich warren
#

hopefully the issues are just edge cases, and just the SDRAM since that can be easily swapped.

random girder
#

Yeah, I'm hoping it's an easy fix like that too. Taki should at least have spare memory to mail out.

green epoch
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I hope someone can develop some sort of test for it

rich warren
#

They are still available on the site for $20

deft matrix
#

well, that is what memtest is for. the fact it (seemingly) is passing here but having issues with the core is troubling

rich warren
#

PSUs are good? I've tested out a few I have that are rated at least 5v 3a and no issues

kind mountain
deft matrix
#

tested with my 30w google charger and 65w pinepower charger

magic girder
# thorn flax so do *you* have any recommendations

I’m not an expert by any means. I enjoy Mario Kart Amped up, and Smash Bros Remix. I read Mario 64 Star Road is good, but I never tried it nor do I know if it works on the core. I was mentioning VGE’s vid just in case you hadn’t seen it, and because I don’t know much myself 🙂

green epoch
#

My memtest ran over night with no issues at 150. I'm using an anker 5v3a - same model as on my mister

kind mountain
rich warren
#

What are the 5v ratings? Max wattage could be other voltages (5,9,12, etc)

hushed nova
deft matrix
#

Output: 5V-3A or 9V-3A or 15V-2A 30W

rich warren
#

ok that looks good

kind mountain
#

just swapped to my macbook usbc charger and getting [email protected] but no change, was hoping it wasn't that volt sensitive although I think it's just being stepped down to 5v anyway

green epoch
#

I have a raspberry pi 5 charger that is 5v5a - dunno if that would make a difference

wanton sun
#

the memtest doesn't run with the same sdram controller as the other cores. It's mostly for highest frequency, not for low latency or optimized strategies like keeping the banks open, using bursts or whatever

green epoch
#

someone said jotego had a memtest too, but it needed a core?

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err a rom I mean

magic girder
wanton sun
#

no idea, but even that would still not be the same sdram controller as n64, psx or whatever

hushed nova
#

I remember he had a bunch of different sdram test cores that tested different things

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but that was back in the old sdram days when he was having problems pushing some ram, so I don't know what it specifically tested

rich warren
wanton sun
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the n64 core isn't even special in sdram requirements. It uses low clock and short bursts, no banks kept open

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gba is nearly the same, but 50% higher clock

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(but not using the second chip)

hushed nova
#

oh, it only tested the first 32MB anyways

deft matrix
kind mountain
#

f

deft matrix
hushed nova
#

oh, there are the builds!

kind mountain
deft matrix
#

🫡

kind mountain
#

96mhz still green

deft matrix
#

i only ran it for about 30 seconds but mine was green too

kind mountain
deft matrix
#

yep, mine too

plush summit
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last I heard, the Taki SDRAMs aren't sourced from the same supplier

magic girder
#

I guess the “good” news is that if you have confirmation it’s faulty, at least you can go to the vendor and seek a replacement

deft matrix
#

regular memtest only goes down to 70MHz, but that is showing okay. (or not failing immediately at least)

wanton sun
#

would be strange if those modules would only fail when running at low clock. Then it should get more stable with the n64 turbo core 🤡

deft matrix
#

😅 i haven't tried that yet

kind mountain
#

hummm lemme find that and try lol

deft matrix
#

conker booted (no sound though?)

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RE2 booted

wanton sun
#

wait, the turbo core fixed it?

deft matrix
#

yes

hushed nova
#

lol. lmao even

deft matrix
#

no sound, but those two loaded. checking stadium 2 now

finite quest
wanton sun
#

it's getting weird now, i better leave for today and watch for even crazier results tomorrow

kind mountain
#

just grabbed turbo

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lemme try

wanton sun
#

one further difference: turbo core runs the sdram at 80mhz instead of 62.5mhz, but the refresh cycle count is the same(leading to refreshes happening more often). Maybe the refresh time is not long enough with the low clock?

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if anyone wants to try a build: you can change this 500 to 300 or so

simple oliveBOT
# 
localparam cycles_per_refresh  = 14'd500;  // (64000*64)/8192-1 Calc'd as (64ms @ 64MHz)/8192 rose
finite quest
#

my issue is that the screen sometimes goes black

wanton sun
#

probably resolution switch

deft matrix
#

models aren't glitching either

rich warren
#

@roro what is your vsync set to?

finite quest
wanton sun
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in mister.ini set vsync_adjust to 1. If that is not enough, set it to 0

kind mountain
#

this board is being super weird. My bluetooth adapter doesnt find anything if the ethernet cable is disconnected, as soon as I plug it in it finds the controller. wtaf lol

random girder
#

Are you using the included combo WiFi/BT adapter?

deft matrix
kind mountain
#

yeah

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Turbo worked

IMG_6122.jpg
rich warren
#

maybe ethernet port detection supersedes the combo dongle

random girder
#

I had issues with the combo adapter. Using a separate WiFi adapter and an 8BitDo adapter.

wanton sun
green epoch
#

So wait the ram chip is bad, but the turbo core fixes it?

rich warren
green epoch
#

Yeah, I saw that. But it works with some of taki’s ram chips. But it seems like others are more sensitive/ bad?

kind mountain
rich warren
#

maybe not so much bad, as quirky?

kind mountain
wanton sun
#

it is not even known if the sdram is the reason

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just theories

finite quest
finite quest
#

it's still blinking with vsync_adjust=0 but only in 480p mode

green epoch
#

With known good ram… @wanton sun

IMG_2387.jpg
deft matrix
#

oooh

kind mountain
#

so confirmed its a ram problem

deft matrix
#

seems like!

kind mountain
#

I think Taki offered to ship new ram to someone with the acrylic case that is supposed to be offered to us soon

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I emailed the shop

green epoch
#

@naive briar Just FYI, it seems like some SDRAM modules are not able to support all games in the N64 core

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man, I feel bad

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that's gonna be a mess for them to deal with :/

kind mountain
#

I mean luckily known good SDRAM modules are $40 away.... but I hope it doesn't get to that.

elfin depot
deft matrix
#

thanks for the offer but the above photo shows that the known good ram works with the mister pi

elfin depot
green epoch
#

I think I may just order one from @graceful radish and call it a day

random girder
#

I wonder if it's worth trying the Mister Pi memory on the DE-10?

deft matrix
#

i'm in no hurry, and i'm cheap 😅

random girder
#

While you have the case open.

green epoch
random girder
#

Haha nvm.

green epoch
#

I'm glad it is the ram and not the board

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oh this is trouble. mister addons is running a sale

kind mountain
#

code retroremake for free ship?

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too soon?

acoustic vortex
#

LMAO

neat sierra
#

The remake part is referring to the ram 😜 I kid I kid

acoustic vortex
#

too soon...

green epoch
#

bought a chip from mister addons. I hope this doesn't fuck taki up too much.

rich warren
#

I know there was a mistake with Taki's first run of SDRAM, in that they used Sorg's design instead of his and he needed to put a credit sticker on each module. Guessing when he's out of them, the SDRAM will be different
https://x.com/TakiUdon_/status/1830172720237052120

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the green one is his (and should be included with an upcoming batch) - the first run batch looks like the black

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maybe this will clear up any issues in the future

deft matrix
#

emailed taki udon flushedshy

zinc dew
green epoch
#

same! I'll just use the mister addon chip. total cost is still well under a mister, and I'd rather folks who don't have a spare mister have access to any replacement chips first

acoustic vortex
#

uh. how do I try out the turbo core?

mortal panther
#

All we can really do at this point is give Taki enough information to make an informed decision as to what, if any, changes need to be made and how to make things better for everyone involved.

deft matrix
#

I had no sound with the turbo core fwiw, I'm not sure if that is normal or what but visually it was working fine

kind mountain
green epoch
acoustic vortex
kind mountain
#

Turbo core is in the pins in this channel

acoustic vortex
kind mountain
#

Drop it in /media/fat/_Consoles

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Don’t worry it took me way too long to find it earlier 😂

acoustic vortex
green epoch
#

yup, works good in the turbo core

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conker too

nova pasture
#

Im getting a black screen at boot when trying to load Conker. Any idea why?

deft matrix
#

mister pi? possible bad sdram

nova pasture
#

yes, mister pi. ram test seems fine and basically everything else works

deft matrix
#

same for me, just trouble in the 64 core

green epoch
#

if you want to read the whole saga, you can scroll up

deft matrix
#

okay, I realised why I had no sound. I'd turned my TV's sound all the way down to 1 after the jotego sram test screeched at me when it failed facepalm_girl

kind mountain
nova pasture
kind mountain
#

Interesting. The 48mhz one failed completely for me within 30 seconds

nova pasture
#

Conker loads on turbo core 🙂

green epoch
#

yeah, the 48mhz test went real quick for me

nova pasture
#

After running for a longer period. It did fail the 48mhz.

kind mountain
#

@tropic cypress Has regular N64 core working with RE2 and failed the 48mhz test

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Weird.

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You can see our days worth of troubleshooting here 😂

rich warren
#

N64 Turbo core continues to be the MiSTer's secret weapon

kind mountain
acoustic vortex
#

Oh nice

jolly turret
#

If you can get by with the turbo core until the issue is fully understood and a suitable solution is offered, it's at least not such a bad situation. Since I plan on purchasing some of Taki's future portable products I appreciate you all getting to understand the issue, as it will surely only help to improve the products.

jolly turret
solemn marlin
#

Also, deleting roms, smh, I'd never

#

I need that specific release of NFL from 94 on me, at all times

acoustic vortex
#

WHAT

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Turbo core WORKS?

green epoch
#

Yeah, wild

acoustic vortex
#

Ok I’m fairly certain it’s to do with the SDRAM

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I wasn’t even getting into OoT at all

lyric sequoia
#

Sounds like a speed issue. If you thought it was memory above 64mb causing problems you could try running large neo geo games. But it sounds like a speed issue so....

kind mountain
#

Yeah 48mhz ram tests fails and 96mhz passes just fine

jolly turret
vapid hawk
#

the backgrounds are only 240p anyway so its really no loss

worn delta
#

Worth checking these big SNES ROM hacks that we just got support for or is that different ram?

hushed nova
#

it moved one type of ram to sdram to make room for those roms