Nintendo 64

[ivory laurel]

😔

[orchid nimbus]

but doing nothing all day is very boring

[ivory laurel]

That’s true

[gilded whale]

Does blues brothers 2000 work in the core?

[orchid nimbus]

yes

'Report from RacingWingman that alligator in second Chicago sewer is too fast (same issue as Ares)'

this is the only comment on that game

was tested on the core from N64_20240221

so back in Feb.

[thorn quiver]

Looks like you have a mission

[gilded whale]

Oh lord. Titus the fox strikes again

[fair stump]

Our condolences

[orchid nimbus]

flipping burgers is fun

[mellow lance]

nah eating burgers is fun 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/zIVypBaa2QA?t=11

deconstructing cheeseburgers is more fun

[cerulean elk]

New rom hack that works great in core over on #share-media

[tidal elm]

So the "clicking issue" is the random popping noises you can hear in games like Conker?

[jolly turret]

I haven't played Conker yet so I'm not sure if it's the same issue.

[tidal elm]

Tried to record it with my phone but they are not very noticable

[jovial briar]

Perfect Dark has a lot of popping in my experience

Especially with voice clips

[tidal elm]

In the longer video you can hear a loud "beep" noise around 35s

After that you can start hearing the popping noise like if you were cooking popcorn lol

[kind solar]

Hi I’ve experienced the same crash again in the exact same point in conker. I reported this on the last test core (v2) and tried to replicate it then but couldn’t

[orchid nimbus]

@kind solar see #test-builds for a new core

[kind solar]

This is the latest core v3 (first image), second image is the v2 core

@hidden bolt any ideas on this?

[hidden bolt]

Is it easy to get it to crash there?

[kind solar]

i tried about 10 times last time it happened. this time it just happened during play. i'll try to replicate what i did again exactly now

this is the only crash i've seen on the test builds

been playing through it for the first time so it's taking me a while to complete

[marble cargo]

Could of been a fluke.

[kind solar]

i think it's related to loading the worm animation

[marble cargo]

I remember exploring that area myself and nothing particularly weird happened.

Well, aside from being mauled to death by that fucking worm.

[kind solar]

Yeah like I said I tried to replicate it and gave up before

It’s a bit odd

[hidden bolt]

I can have a look sometime to see if I can replicate it

[jolly turret]

Never heard that beep before. The sounds afterwards sound similar to what I have encountered. I reported what I found to FGPAzumSpass in relation to the audio clicks, we'll have to wait and see.

[kind solar]

It could also be connected to running the core a little while and then accessing that animation perhaps

[tidal elm]

The beep was also new to me lol, first time I get it, but the popcorn noise is constant in the intro movie.

[jolly turret]

Is this all from the intro? Is this the patched version? Let me know and I will check it out.

[tidal elm]

I'm using the N64_cachecommandfixv2 and an unpatched conker rom. I haven't noticed it during gameplay but I haven't played it much on the mister yet.

[zinc dew]

No, most patches don’t include any copyrighted code or content. If a patch however modifies a character to be viewed in a negative fashion then a company could react. See Nintendo with the Super Mario Shotgun patch.

It’s derivative work and is supposedly built using wholly original assets and code so Nintendo could lose in a court of law. But who’s going to fight them?

[mellow raft]

If they are .ips they can include copyrighted code if blocks were moved around rather than just replaced in-place

[zinc dew]

I wouldn’t know, my knowledge is very limited in that field

I just skimmed this - https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf

[mellow raft]

BPS can detect when blocks of code have moved, so instead of storing the data.. it just tells the patcher to "offset" that data from the inputted rom

[zinc dew]

Ohhh I understand what you mean

[mellow raft]

Whereas IPS just includes whatever's changed... if it moved or not

[zinc dew]

That’s very interesting

[mellow raft]

it also makes BPS's incredibly smaller

that's why IPS are still popular when you are replacing code in-place, as it usually means they should be compatible with other patches if they aren't touching the same points

[magic girder]

Is there a risk with e.g. the JFG patch, based on the nature of what it changes?

[kind solar]

Another crash whilst trying to reproduce the worm crash

The error number is different though so ?

[mellow raft]

what is the hash of the rom you're using?

[mellow raft]

I wouldn't know. I didn't make the patch

[magic girder]

Glad I didn’t delete my patched version of Conker 😎

[mellow raft]

considering they are all under 100KB though I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume there wasn't much in them 😛

[magic girder]

I meant that the timing check is suspected to be an anti-piracy thing

So one might argue the patch is a circumvention of that

[cerulean elk]

Nobody has enough money to actually be proven right

[magic girder]

Also this

Keeping patches away from GitHub seems safest to me

[hidden bolt]

yeah, it is odd that it is so easy for you, I tried pretty hard to crash the game. I will have to take another look myself.

[cerulean elk]

But even that is a grey area where circumvention is allowed in a lot of instances

[mellow raft]

are you guys still talking about uploading the patches to github?

[mellow raft]

I thought this all started because vampier wanted to upload the patches to his site, and then he said he'll just link to Ruleset's forum post lol

[magic girder]

This makes sense to me

[kind solar]

@hidden bolt is this correct?

[magic girder]

Just link to the forum post. It’s the canonical source here

[zinc dew]

I even do that in the pubs

nope not fixing it

[magic girder]

I like pubs

Do you have pubs in the US? Or are they all “bars”?

Unless it’s a themed pub, like an “Irish Pub”?

[mellow raft]

not sure why you need ruleset to approve something that's on no-intro's database. https://datomatic.no-intro.org/index.php?page=show_record&s=24&n=0142

Yes that's the correct hash for big endian Conker

[zinc dew]

Fortunately most people here know what a pub is. But yeah just the themed bars are called pubs here.

[kind solar]

i don't know what version i'm supposed to be using i just know how to play game lol

🤷‍♀️

[mellow raft]

lol no worries

Question... what is the file date of your MiSTer binary?

should be in the SD root called "MiSTer" or in /media/fat if you're accessing remotely

[zinc dew]

Wow are you a time traveler?

[mellow raft]

alright yeah that's the latest main then

[kind solar]

i went back in time to show them my mister

[magic girder]

You wanna be careful with that…

[mellow raft]

MiSTer from a DiSTant HiSTory

[stable moon]

Is this core still under development?

[upper pivot]

How does the JFG patch work?

Meaning what does it do to prevent crashing?

[kind solar]

Worms got me again (seems like it was related to letting the core run a while first?)

[magic girder]

Yes and no. My understanding is that Ruleset has worked with FPGAzumSpass to fix a few outstanding bugs, but there’s no guarantee that any further development will take place. From FPGAzumSpass’ perspective, the core is “finished” (unless things have changed), but I don’t know if Ruleset has further plans beyond the current efforts.

[magic girder]

I think there’s some form of check that exists in the game (timing related?) which causes a crash on the core. The patch removes the check and allows the game to play unhindered

[magic girder]

As with any development effort - assume that nothing further will change and then be pleasantly surprised if you’re wrong 🙂

Regardless of any further changes, the core is in great shape

[cerulean elk]

It plays Bomberman Hero. It’s perfect

[magic girder]

I guess the core could still be improved though…

[zinc dew]

Anyone check out Majora’s Mask yet?

[plush summit]

HELLO DID SOMEONE SAY MAJORA'S MASK

@zinc dew what do you need

[zinc dew]

I heard it sucks

[plush summit]

No more gym advice for you 🙂

[zinc dew]

LOL I’m sorry!

It’s a cool game, I’m just playing it to see the telescope bug

I didn’t know if anyone verified it on latest build

[plush summit]

I haven't touched MM since I beaten it

maybe @hollow rune could chime in

She's like the second person who's beaten it I believe

[gilded whale]

Zelda really hasn’t been the same since the Wand of Gamelon

[kind solar]

Disregard my testing today I had the wrong build open smh sorry!!!

[zinc dew]

@worn delta the majora’s mask telescope bug still happens on the latest test core

[upper pivot]

So it’s a deliberate check? To prevent emulation or something?

[mellow raft]

No worries. I was trying to figure out how you were getting crashes. Glad you figured it out though 🙂

[weak hill]

1 question, the games labeled as playable, cant be completed? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

or whats the difference between playable and completable

[latent dagger]

playable just means it's playable and nobody bothered to complete it. not that it's not able to be completed.

chances are it's perfectly completable @weak hill

[rich warren]

I assume sample size for completion stats is probably the people in this discord and maybe a social media platform, so strong possibility completions are not being reported

[latent dagger]

if you want to play and report any findings for any games feel free

and if you complete let whoever manages the list know

[dusty tusk]

Haven't done update all in forever. Nice to see the pwm cores getting their own sections

[weak hill]

ohh got it thanks

[turbid warren]

gee.. it sure is BORING around here 🙄

[gilded whale]

I can’t wait to bomb some dodongos

[turbid warren]

it is written: only Link can defeat Ganon

[gilded whale]

I WONDER WHATS FOR DINNER

[zenith maple]

I’ve been playing for about 3 hours and I’ve let the worm kill me close to 20 times. I can’t get it to freeze.

[zinc dew]

Is that a euphemism?

[turbid warren]

killing the worm today. don't do it too much or you'll go blind

[zenith maple]

It’s a braille worm

[kind solar]

it may be resolved now. it seemed to happen in the v2 core and i thought it was happening in the latest core but i had accidentally opened the main release build

i'm gonna assume it's fixed unless it happens again

[gilded whale]

Let me just worm my way back into the conversation…

[kind solar]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-atreides-dune-the-sleeper-has-awakened-muaddib-gif-23692018

(sorry i forgot no gifs rule)

[orchid nimbus]

Yeah -‘link to forum 🙂 easier

[jovial briar]

i really appreciate you tackling audio filters, is there a place i can go to give your project support?

[hidden bolt]

Oh! that explains it then I guess. But thanks for testing anyway, I was surprised the latest Cache change would only be responsible for one faulty sound effect in one single game. So it is cool that it may have fixed this very intermittent crash as well.

[trim seal]

Ah, I've missed this place

[zinc dew]

lol I was kidding I’m sorry

[thorn quiver]

Can we have a trollface emoji for Robby

[raw oriole]

IT'S RANDOM KICKING OUT TIME AGAIN sorry folks, thread got full. If you can read this you successfully rejoined.

That'll teach y'all to be in the middle of the alphabet.

[elfin relic]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/9b2101b9ca79512dade3855e2c9bb410/0dc032e419ea6ee3-c5/s500x750/e0296dcc4ee2b8af2471b3de6e7067943d080aad.gif

[dense wagon]

Whats the telescope bug? I started playing it after i did near 100% on OoT, played quite well, though yeah obviously extremely different style of zelda game that basically requires a notepad lol

Just catching up 🙂 iv been largely playing SM64 for the first ever time, my kid (hes 4) is obsessed with it, been jumping around going "Yahooo" for the last few weeks haha
Playing Rogue squadron on the Turbocore is so good too 😄

[wanton sun]

the telescope bug is just that you can see the normal view before the circlular opening animation instead of a black screen

[junior pine]

Just like in real life! That's not a but, it's a feature 😄

[worn delta]

It's a trivial bug, but it is in one of the biggest games on the system. Maybe fixing it would other things elsewhere not spotted? It is possible one of the N64 Homebrew guys could quickly make a patch that adds a warp point next to it, I could ask

[vast delta]

wonder if this bug could have anything to do with the texture display corruption in RE2

the blue stuff around the rock when Mr.X breaks through a wall

[wanton sun]

very likely not

the animation itself works, just the transition does not

[zinc dew]

I wonder if the black screen is just terminating a little earlier than expected. Because the fade-in works fine.

The game feels very slightly faster than regular hardware but I haven’t done any A/B comparison testing.

[hidden bolt]

In the mm decompilation you can see that for the first few frames it uses a single pixel that gets stretched out using dsdx/dtdy = 0 to the screen on a textured rectangle. Then after a few frames the quarter circle mask that holds this pixel which get mirrored to create a circle gets scaled up using the dsdx/dtdy values.
It seems that when the s and t values in the textured rectangle get too low, something messes up and the single stretched pixel gets the wrong value.

Normally the s and t values get clamped to -1023, when I set this clamp to something lower like -800 the transition looks normal. Not sure what the bug is, maybe something goes wrong with the texture clamping?

[languid dune]

I managed to escape another purge!

[wanton sun]

sounds like a good thing to try. Any chance you could make a version that stays in the corrupted state longer/forever?

in this case i could debug it relativly easy

(not sure if you are familiar with building the decomp, i never tried it)

[hidden bolt]

Yeah I can make a build that always keeps the s and t value at -1023

[wanton sun]

great, thank you!

[zinc dew]

Good lord @hidden bolt you’re seriously kicking ass

@wanton sun everyone loves you for coming back to the core and integrating these fixes. I just wanted you to know that. ❤️

[wanton sun]

so far i haven't done much, basically everything is Rulesets work

[lament escarp]

Still great to have you back!

[compact depot]

N64 core is alive! Long live the N64 core!!!

[magic girder]

N64 core keeps getting up like a zombie on RE2 if you didn’t shoot it enough

…which we can now experience, thanks to the awesome patches! 😎

[plush summit]

Ruleset rulz

[magic girder]

Game: “I refuse to work on the core”
Ruleset: “I set the rules around here! I demand that you work!”

[zinc dew]

lol

[weak hill]

i like watching the bugs in the core and that theres maybe a chance to try to fix it even though i dont have the knowledge to undestand a thing hahaha

[fair stump]

Spam, mods please remove

[magic girder]

Jack Black’s getting around a bit.

[eternal ravine]

He got one last round of movies done before being cancelled

[weary perch]

little summary of some remaining issues with a notable impact (these are getting super rare now, amazing stuff)
Batman Beyond - runs at double-speed in-game
Battlezone - persistent audio crackling (playable but v. annoying)
Knife Edge - runs too fast
Nintama Rantarou 64 - video hangs / game crashes randomly
Madden 2001 + 2002 - exploding polygons whenever there are too many players on screen (still playable)
Pro Mahjong Kiwame - hangs if controller pak is inserted (plays OK with no pak but can't save)
Rugrats in Paris - randomly crashes
Waialae Country Club - saving doesn't work
the WCW games also run too fast but are semi-playable

[magic girder]

Which of those games would you say are the best?

[weary perch]

lol

we're really scraping here

[magic girder]

Haha okay 😅

[weary perch]

Batman is a decent little beat'em up

Battlezone is neat, but way better on PC

Knife Edge is unique but sucks imo

Nintama is a crappy minigame collection

[magic girder]

#SaveBatman

[weary perch]

Madden are Madden, decent but unspectacular

Mahjong is Mahjong, it's fine

Rugrats in Paris has good music and visuals but is not fun to play imo

Waialae is a decent golf game, but very low-budget

the WCW games, while sorta playable, are probably the most important from a "good game" perspective

they seem to all run too fast to varying degrees

[magic girder]

As a WWF fan at the time the N64 was released, I'm mildly curious to try out the WCW games, but there are plenty of them on e.g. the PSX core

[weary perch]

unfortunately WCW stuff also looks to be timing related so potentially not fixable on DE-10 nano

they seem to run a little closer to intended speed in 4-player matches

but the 1v1 stuff goes warp speed sometimes

[vapid hawk]

too fast is potentially easier to fix than too slow

[worn delta]

Are the issues with cut scenes being too fast in the Zelda games all fixed now? Sure I saw a bug about that

[gilded whale]

I think any remaining 64 exclusives should be at the top of the list, but that’s just like an opinion man.

[weary perch]

forgot to put Blues Brothers 2000. it might not be completable with the sewer level timing issue

the exclusives in the main list are Knife Edge, Nintama Rantarou 64, Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64, and Waialae Country Club. i think most/all of the WCW games are on PS1 as well, not looked into that one too deep. Blues Brothers 2000 is also an N64 exclusive. Battlezone is on PC as mentioned but is a console-exclusive for N64

[vapid hawk]

i don't remember cutscenes ever being too fast in zelda games

oh well, you might be thinking of the 60fps patch for it?

[weary perch]

vanilla I think

the two relevant ones are the collapse sequence and credits in OoT, and the first "giants" cutscene in MM

i haven't checked them recently but i suspect they still have some timing issues

[wanton sun]

unfortunatly we will not reach 100% same timing on the de10-nano, but a i still suspect stuff like the double speed zelda title or batman are fixable when it's clear what the reason is

[weary perch]

most of what's left affects games of questionable quality or are pretty minor, like the Monster Truck Madness 64 text bug

[hidden bolt]

As far as I can tell the double speed OOT Menu is a problem on every emulator including official nintendo ones.

[quick arch]

What is mm ?

[weary perch]

Majora's Mask

[quick arch]

Thank you

[wanton sun]

i never checked that. the pal version doesn't have the issue however

maybe the difference can give a clue? But i guess PAL isn't decompiled

[spare meadow]

There’s the RE2 slowdown issue too

[wanton sun]

you wanted it painted black!

i leave further testing of the build to the channel, have to leave soon 😅

[marble cargo]

I was playing Conker's Bad Fur Day more, and I noticed during one of the cutscenes that there was corruption on the bottom screen.

It was the one where Don Weaso explains to Conker his plan on committing genocide on the cavemen using a bomb. The part with the slide show has a line of junk pixels on the bottom. I don't remember that being there, so it's likely another bug.

[hidden bolt]

Awesome! thanks!

[wanton sun]

thank you for your help with it, made it a very simple fix

(it was a simple error of negative number - negative number results in positive number due to not enough bits)

[cerulean elk]

don't be so negative...you've done a great job already! (dad joke)

[hidden bolt]

Yep, just tested it, transition is fixed.

[neat sierra]

Dream team

[magic girder]

It's insane how quickly you both got to the bottom of that. Nice work!

[magic girder]

I wonder if the root cause of the double speed OoT menu is the same thing that causes the issue in Batman

[hidden bolt]

yeah, batman runs double speed in emulators as well.

[fiery hamlet]

The timing is dependent on lag, that's why OoT on GameCube plays a video file for the ending. Fix would need to be hard coded in the rom.

[mortal panther]

It's all the amphetamines Batman takes to stay up and fight crime all night. He's got a day job, too, after all.

[worn delta]

Great work fixing the telescope bug, glad it was an easy one 🙂

[magic girder]

(Just changed the link in the pinned post to point at the new test core. Tested it on Gauntlet Legends and heard the voices, so assuming it contains the other fixes as well. I hope that's correct)

@zinc dew Not sure if you want to do the same for your post as well 🙂

[zinc dew]

OH I’m sorry! I thought this was general chat.

I deleted it, my bad.

It was spam you were right

[fair stump]

Oh I know 😆 how was the movie

[zinc dew]

I’m watching it tonight, I hope it’s not horrible lol

[zinc dew]

There’s a new core?

Oh I see it

[magic girder]

Yep! FPGAzumSpass and Ruleset smashing it out the park as usual

[orchid nimbus]

I'm so glad that a breakthrough was made

[topaz otter]

Bordermemes?

[lament escarp]

Is the speed issue in the oot menu and batman necessarily a latency issue on the de10 if it's also in software emulation or rather something that isn't seemingly 100% understood in the n64 architecture?

[magic girder]

Some searching on a few emu discords suggests that’s the case (missing info)

[mellow raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YziruYKg-yU

[lament escarp]

I take that as a very good sign actually. If it was a well understood limitation of the fpga I've no doubt Robert and ruleset would've worked it out already if possible.

[magic girder]

For sure 👍

We’re very fortunate to have such talented developers building these cores, patches, filters and everything else in the ecosystem

[weak hill]

what was fixed? didnt understand haha

[weak hill]

i saw and image but it was black, thats the fix?

[magic girder]

Yep, pretty much

[weak hill]

ohh i see

nice

[magic girder]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/26

That issue shows how it was before the fix

[orchid nimbus]

Ride the lightning - track 4

[weak hill]

nice thanks!

[kind solar]

lol i was humming it after i saw the fix

[magic girder]

“Simply nothing more to give”- DE10 nano after the N64 core

[cerulean elk]

Don’t make me come in here and say 3DO!

Screw it imma do it anyway

3DO!

[magic girder]

Go home, you’re drunk

[thorn quiver]

There are plenty of systems below n64 spec

Arcade cores

[magic girder]

I was kidding (and quoting the lyrics of a Metallica song :D)

[vapid hawk]

telescope fixed already? amazing

i wonder if batman / zelda menu are using some kind of undocumented half-rate vsync mode or something

you'd barely notice it existing even if tons of games use it since almost no n64 games get near 30fps 😄

[languid dune]

You summoned me?

[cerulean elk]

I’m a Midwestern resident. We get drunk at home thank you very much!

[magic girder]

I have a beer in hand right now 😅

[cerulean elk]

Yeah you do!

[drowsy lantern]

I wonder if all of those + the attract mode (specifically) running too fast in certain games is connected.

[lament escarp]

Maybe the oot decomp could provide an answer, just as the mm decomp did for the telescope.

[rare relic]

wondering if anyone could shed some light on how to convert a gameshark code into a cheat for the n64 core? struggling to find a guide online on how to do it

I want to use this mario 64 widescreen code
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nT6d8Byh8

[mossy vector]

The timer interrupt event code is "interesting" for sure.

[zinc dew]

What’s going on

[magic girder]

How was the film?

[zinc dew]

It’s starting now lol

[fair stump]

Did you get a fancy popcorn bucket?

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew did you cut a hole in the bottom of it?

[topaz otter]

are you chatting from inside the movie theatre or did you download the free version from the bay of buccaneers

and by that I mean the privateers cove

the rogue's inlet

the jetty of scalawags

the plunderer's port

[solemn marlin]

Is battlezone for the pc much better than the 64 port? Or is the n64 one worth playing?

[mossy vector]

The PC version is tolerable and you can use mouse. The garbled audio on the 64 version makes it very hard to enjoy. I think the black dogs (China) is an unofficial expansion on the PC version?

[solemn marlin]

I can live with controller movement, actually I like setting up fps controls for dual analog and make it as good as possible but did they cut a lot of content?

[mossy vector]

I think it's the same. Lower screen resolution. Unit cap (and framerate) is probably lower.

[solemn marlin]

Yea that's to be expected, wont that audio filter help with the audio or is it singularly screwed up

[mossy vector]

The real game audio on actual console is messed up. Mute the menu music when it starts to get grating.

It's tolerable ingame because you can think bad radio interference.

[solemn marlin]

Lol now I have to check it out, sounds like a pretty big oversight

[zinc dew]

Can’t wait to go home and play some N64 core

[weak hill]

get n or get out!

[gilded whale]

Jaguar is the only 64 bit game in town. Get real.

[gilded whale]

Now this is pod racing

[mortal panther]

Those pod racers are a rough bunch.

[zinc dew]

Omg is that the kid

[mortal panther]

Jake Lloyd

That was almost 10 years ago though.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135181/Former-child-actor-played-young-Anakin-Star-Wars-prequel-pictured-new-booking-photo-high-speed-police-chase.html

[zinc dew]

woooooow

[gilded whale]

Oh yeah that kid has had a rough go from what I remember

[gilded whale]

People harassing him that he ruined Star Wars etc

[turbid warren]

he was 9, people really gonna harass someone who was in a movie when they were 9 years old. the world is fucked up

[gilded whale]

I mean, yeah they totally did

[mortal panther]

It was shameful, yeah.

[gilded whale]

I’d harass him for jingle all the way personally

[mortal panther]

Oh wow, I forgot he was in that.

[turbid warren]

i think everyone was to blame for Jingle All The Way

[gilded whale]

Especially Sinbad

[turbid warren]

like not even just the production crew, everyone

[gilded whale]

I was looking for a silver lining to the Jake Lloyd thing and it isn’t looking much better for him. Such a shame.

[mortal panther]

Sad...

[gilded whale]

But he’s getting help at least

Nintendo sixty fouuuur

[surreal bay]

Been demoing the mister at SuperNova which is the biggest smash 64 event of the year. So far everyone loves it. The player on the right is this year’s combo contest winner and one of the strongest and most technical players of all time.

[latent dagger]

I wonder what all these old smash players are gonna do when the CRTs fail and can't find a replacement

I mean, we do have super low input latency displays these days they just maybe have a little image retention is all

[elfin depot]

That's when I'll start selling mine 🙂

[latent dagger]

sell for somewhere inbetween what you would want to buy one for and what a scalper sells them for. try to be fair with the middle ground but still make a profit

but what if yours has failed too?

it's inevitable that all CRTs will fail someday and there won't be any left

but maybe some billionaire retro game enthusiast will decide to start production of those laser phosphor displays or something knowing they won't make a profit on them but do it for the sake of the community

who knows

or OLED tech will have improved so much that it becomes a proper and viable replacement

I ownder what the thinkpad is for in that picture?

looks old school too.

like mid late 2000s

maybe early 2010s at most

Windows 7 era

[upper pivot]

Do any emulators at all run Batman at the proper speed?

[gilded whale]

CRTs are turning into like a classic cars thing. One day people will keep them alive by constantly repairing them and wheeling them off to exhibits lol

[craggy cradle]

CRTs will be moved on to luxury items

[gilded whale]

One day yeah, absolutely. Give it a few decades

[pliant pollen]

doomed I got pruned

[willow linden]

I think I bought that same CRT in the center of the picture for my college dorm 20 years ago, lol

no regrets for getting the digital io board tho, I'm embracing HDMI for my retro gaming and the N64 with clean hdmi looks great

[abstract slate]

Compared with oled pricing, CRTs are a bargain luxury item.

Star Wars Episode I Racer is a fun game for a couple rounds.

I remember it seemed so fun and futuristic when it came out

[magic girder]

It still is fun

[abstract slate]

I played a few races earlier. Great use of rumble.

Also, it's been awhile but I liked Jingle All The Way.

[hidden bolt]

Having a look at the OOT file select menu, it seems the menu update rate is supposed to run at 60 hz. The menu on NTSC uses an R_UPDATE_RATE value of 1, this would cause everything to update at 60 hz (60/1), while on PAL the R_UPDATE_RATE is set to 2 which would cause everything to update at 25hz(50/2).

Maybe a real n64 just isn't fast enough to update at 60 and falls back to 30 hz? It seems they caught this for the PAL release and fixed the bug (possibly the n64 is fast enough to run the menu at 50 but not at 60).

[lament escarp]

Would be interesting if a value of 2 or 3 (since oot runs at 20fps) would be more accurate.

[latent dagger]

Funny thing about analog, refresh and fps don't have to go hand in hand with each other

When doing digital output from these cores I think there's some trickery happening though

In my experience anyways. So the game fps can be whatever while the hz for the output can still be something like 60 or 50

[surreal bay]

We prefer not to think about that day. CRTs are already starting to get expensive. 😭

[thorn quiver]

How about

Not restricting yourself to Trinitrons

And Americans should get cracking on RGB modding

[surreal bay]

We don’t. Rgb is nice but mostly a luxury.

[thorn quiver]

Hence my last statement

There's no reason there's not a cottage industry of mod kits, other than lack of initiative

[hidden bolt]

I could make a patch that just changes the R_UPDATE_RATE value to be 2 in the file menu for NTSC but I don't think anyone would be interested in that, the faster menu feels more responsive anyway.

[lament escarp]

Yeah you're right in oot you could actually see it as a benefit and it wouldn't fix batman at all.

[spare meadow]

Thanks for looking into it!

@hidden bolt , I know its not a priority, but if it is possible at some point, could you take a look at what’s causing the slowdown in RE2? Maybe it’s affecting other games like KI Gold too.

[mossy vector]

Is oot reading the battery backed memory every single tick?

When on that menu?

[hidden bolt]

Doesn't seem like it looking at it in an emulator, but yeah there is probably something happening on a real n64, that is slower than on the core, not allowing it to run at 60hz.

When I set the ddr3 memory delay to 88 the fps snaps right down to 30 so the core just has faster memory than the n64. But the memory is faster for compatibility reasons due to random latency, so slight inaccuracies like this are just a necessary compromise.

[silent marten]

With that delay does it make Batman run at the correct speed?

[hidden bolt]

It slows it down, but sometimes too much. I don't think adding memory delay is really a solution, just shows that OOT will snap to 30 with slower memory like a real n64.

[lament escarp]

I take it there isn't a decomp of batman or any other way to adjust the value in batman is there?

[hidden bolt]

I could find the value in OOT on emulator because it switches framerates a lot. But I think batman just runs at a constant rate so probably harder to find, or the game adjust framerate in a different way.

[lament escarp]

Maybe combaring pal to ntsc could help?

[hidden bolt]

If it runs as fast as possible only limited by the vertical retrace then PAL and NTSC will be the same probably.

[modest helm]

Hey I just noticed that the ROM hack Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 FreeM Edition isn't part of the game database so you can't save progress. Is it possible to get this added?

[magic girder]

Based on the readme: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database

I think you can copy the existing database to N64-database_user.txt, and remove all the lines except the original Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 line, and then you probably just need to edit that line to include the md5sum of your new rom 🙂

[worn delta]

ROM hacks should be picked up by the database if the original entry is in there, do you get the missing database entry when you load the game and have reporting turned on?

Is this one in a major pack or one you had to patch?

[modest helm]

It's a pretty major hack. I'm away from home but I'll play around with it later today or tomorrow

[worn delta]

If it isn't being picked up then it could be added to the proper database, no real cost of that

I popped in a couple of feature request tickets for visibility, one covers the missing Gameboy Mappers needed for full Transfer Pak support:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/51

Another for a niche feature, where if you use the Densa De Go! localisation patch on a console with a 64DD attached then you get a different intro to the game. No idea how the rom checks this and what conditions it is looking for, but be fun to be able to set 64DD Connected/Disconnected in the OSD and this to work with it. Not sure if anything else is using this feature currently.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/52

[little bane]

It's great to see the core still evolving and that until recently we thought it had reached its limit. I can only imagine when a successor to de-10 appears

[lament escarp]

Yeah the core feels really complete now. If there are goint to be even more improvements it'd be fantastic, but all the classics now work properly on it.

How would you imagine a de10 successor to look like? On one hand it would need to warrent the upgrade for most people (don't think dreamcast alone would cut it, certainly not for me) on the other hand it would need to be affordable enough to get a decent adoption rate. And I think we're years away from such an fpga board existing, not to mention the complexity and workload a ps2 or xbox core would require.

[modest helm]

Future hardware that could run the DS, Dreamcast, as well as arcade cores like the Segal Model 1-3 and cycle accurate PS1 and N64 cores would entice a lot of people

I think the PS2 and PSP is possible on a future FPGA, but the workload to get it complete would be crazy. GameCube and Xbox are too much for the forseeable future

[lament escarp]

I dunno if ds would be all that great tbh. I always thought the touch gimmick was kinda sketchy on emulators.

[rich warren]

PSP, Dreamcast, Pentium, 3DFX and Voodoo cards, 3DO, Jaguar, and 90s 3D arcade games are my hopes

[modest helm]

Mapping the right stick for DS would be a good solution for touchscreen. Also, maybe implementing gyro could be really cool. DS has 4,000+ games. Love to get these huge libraries like the PSX core

[lament escarp]

PSP would be great, though I dunno if that wouldn't be as complex as ps2 or even more so.

[modest helm]

That's tough to say, but I think it's less powerful than the PS2 from what I've read online?

DS is the most in reach platform that can't run on the MiSTer followed by the Dreamcast

[lament escarp]

I guess I could play order of ecclesia and infinite space finally.

[little bane]

I think that as others have said more headroom to have more precise cores, savestates, graphical improvements like some emulators, new cores like DS, 3DO, Jaguar, maybe PSP and Dreamcast, I think PS2 And above all it will take a while that I think not all of us will be alive yet

[rich warren]

I just assumed PSP was the less complicated system to reverse engineer, but they could be similar enough. PPSSPP is a pretty easy to use emulator compared to PCSX2. They both have similar CPUs but the PS2's was embedded into its Emotion Engine, while the PSP had a simpler GPU. PSP has early 3D RAM too. Guess we'll see, but for now it's nice having these old consoles that need to be RGB/HDMI modded and have everdrives/ODEs at our fingertips in one device

[gilded whale]

Ps2 is my pie in the sky dream core one day, I wouldn’t say no to Xbox or GameCube. I’d love both.

But after ps2, psp, Dreamcast…. Maybe vita? My interest would go way down.

Oh and Mattel hyperscan. Gotta have that.

[lament escarp]

I love my mister and the only cores that could make me make that kind of investment in a new board would be ps2, gc and or xbox. So I'll be sticking to the de10 for the next 20 years I guess.

[gilded whale]

I think a Dreamcast/noami 1 and 2 and atomiswave all together might make me pull the trigger

Not sure how far off ps2 is in terms of feasibility both in terms of logic and man hours. I’m confident somebody one day will do it, but I don’t know if that’s years away or decades.

[thorn quiver]

DC might be too much

[gilded whale]

Certainly for current hardware anyway

[zinc dew]

I think we’ll eventually get FPGA cores for those systems but it’ll be happen in quite a while.

[gilded whale]

I’ll just have to settle for my gdemu lol

After a certain point all my consoles are soft modded, or have odes

So the need goes down personally

[lament escarp]

So my 20 year guess is too optimistic? 😦

[gilded whale]

Ps2 to me is the last console that would heavily benefit from a fpga core. There’s a lot about ps2 systems that are a pain in the arse that are just getting mods now. Region locking, soft video output, no hdmi etc

Unless I’m missing a glaring example past that? 360, ps3 lol?

[gilded whale]

Hard to imagine it would take that long, but who’s to say

[lament escarp]

I think consoles would benefit from being in fpga even if they software emulate well. That way you get to have it all in one box.

[gilded whale]

Well yes of course. But i just meant that the ps2 is a system that is of its age and would benefit the most from a modern core

Whereas GameCube is totally solid through hdmi as is

But like I said, pie in the sky. If I get that, I’d go retire on fpga island and eat coconuts and boil sea water

Drink my own pee like Kevin Costner.

[modest helm]

PS2 would be great because of the size of the library. 4000+ games. As much as I love the Xbox and GameCube, 80% of those libraries are on the PS2

[gilded whale]

Oh also, for a ps2 core you’d have the added benefit of not having to go through opl because you could just load everything as genuine games as if you’re using discs. Which would eliminate any compatibility bugs and quirks that opl still has.

[lament escarp]

Opl is great (I use a phat with internal hdd) but the gc with gc loader is so much superior. A ode for ps2 would be great.

[gilded whale]

Opl is improving all the time, the current version versus even a few years ago is night and day

And the mods are improving

So hardware is not a bad place to be. But still much less accessible than GameCube or Wii modding. Or even og Xbox

[lament escarp]

I updated last when the memcard pro2 released.

[gilded whale]

I’d like a ps2 slim that has all the mods, but I’m not that skilled.

But I have a fat that I’m pretty happy with. A hdmi slim with internal hdd would just be nice for travel

Hell, you can trim the board and get a new shell for the slim to make it even smaller. Like you cut a third of it off.

[eternal ravine]

You definitely want hacked/modded original hw for DC, PS2, Wii, 360, etc

And a decent scaler

[gilded whale]

Absolutely, but one distant day… there will be some cores to make some of those less essential. In the year 2040

But before any of that I want all the graveyard consoles first. 3do, jag, pippin, Marty, Cdi, loopy… there’s so many

[lament escarp]

It's fine as long as I get it for retirement.

[gilded whale]

That’s what I’ll get instead of a nice watch and a turkey is the ability to play death by degrees on my nugget fpga of the future

[topaz otter]

Looking up cheats for N64 games obviously

BEWAREOBLIVIONISATHAND

NOWYOUSEEANICEICEKEYWHICHYOUCANHAVEFORFREE

god I can't believe I beak busted the floor for every single letter of the last one

and had to do it twice because there's a timeout between the letters

[orchid nimbus]

space bar broken?

[thorn quiver]

"beak busted the floor"🤔

[magic girder]

Let the bodies hit the floor

[lament escarp]

I can only count to four

[orchid nimbus]

the beatles on tour

[thorn quiver]

The french like parkour

[orchid nimbus]

time for a detour

eating like the poor

[gilded whale]

My dingus is sore

[orchid nimbus]

you're a bore you make me snore

[gilded whale]

This I implore

I got a nes four score that I bought from the store

[orchid nimbus]

you stayed evermore ashore

[gilded whale]

Forever more

[orchid nimbus]

this I underscore

it's like a tug-of-war with a splintery two-by-four,

[gilded whale]

I’m just a filthy wh—e

[orchid nimbus]

nothing to adore

[gilded whale]

Obsessed with retro lore

[woeful grove]

oh god, please no more

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[gilded whale]

This is turning into a retro mister dude theme song

[woeful grove]

strong monkey island vibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9bXjttMxKY

[topaz otter]

https://youtu.be/-HYa4glZZoU

[zinc dew]

I didn’t even read the rest of your message and I know that’s for Turok 2 lol

[topaz otter]

i thought my memory was wrong, but it was not

DONTYOUDARETELLHERABOUTTHESECRETINHERCELLAR

I think thats right

[lilac scroll]

Wait did we hit 100% already with all the recent fixes?

[drowsy lantern]

Not quite, it still requires some more.

[thorn flax]

black screen on latest test core, using direct video

plugged the mister into a pc crt and can confirm it was a 15khz signal so that means it was more a full freeze than a black screen

[thorn flax]

can confirm it works when the mister goes back to hdmi output

[worn delta]

Test build may have this disabled in order to get a decent .rbf from Quartus , previous ones had analogue video disabled

[vapid moat]

Yeah but no daily mystery gift support from Stadium 2 sucks

[worn delta]

We would need RTC support for that and out of space on the de-10 nano

[gilded whale]

I’m guessing there’s no way to leverage the use of the actual rtc board?

[lament escarp]

Everybody playing pokemon romhacks anyway 😅

[hearty oar]

do you mean using a a real cart and transfer pak via SNAC?

[chrome quest]

Yeah, from both threads above, if using SNAC with cart and TPak, it should work just fine on the core.

Also a way to get daily mystery gifts (and GB Tower) to work on the core

[hearty oar]

yeah, was just wondering if they meant that they were having issues using a real TPak, because yeah as you say I don't think there should be an issue

[wanton sun]

latest test core is just like a normal release build, but without best timing. But everything should work like in the release

maybe someone else can verify that direct video is really broken with it

if yes, i have no idea why

[quick otter]

It's working here with direct video

[tropic cove]

Does anyone know if this control works on mister?

[latent dagger]

Yes. It's just a generic Bluetooth N64 NSO knockoff

[calm tundra]

for me, this controller is simply perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmkXeBDFAY

[lament escarp]

100% agree most controllers don't accommodate for my 3rd hand.

[pliant valve]

Mister would have incompatibilities too. And Mister incompatibilities would probably get fixed as slowly as opl incompatibilities.

[vapid hawk]

opls really good these days i've not had issues for ages now

[zinc dew]

I only play the best one - https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8683/

[lament escarp]

Have to say that looks like a quality product.
Good job whoever did it!

[magic girder]

Looks crap mate

(Kidding!)

[lament escarp]

Only a little bit

[thorn quiver]

What about the color Pokamen games for the gba

Considering they remake the same game every time

[lament escarp]

You mean firered and leafgreen? They're ok I guess, but as a true genwunner not really what you want. There is a romhack of it, ultra violet, which is really good.

[thorn quiver]

Aha

[lone geyser]

Gen 3 was when the battle system started taking shape as actually having interesting strategies and interactions, but you'd never know that from the base game since it's basically "press A to win"

[lament escarp]

If I want a monster collection game with a really satisfiying and interesting combat system I just play SMT3,4 or 5.

Can't beat press turn.

[thorn quiver]

SMT?

Super Mario.. Turn?

[lament escarp]

Shin megami tensei

[thorn quiver]

Ah

[topaz otter]

Pokemons is something I never got into

Man is the real monster anyway and he's uncatchable

[raw oriole]

Although if you do stuff him in a pokeball he's unlikely to give you any more trouble

[thorn quiver]

Don't blame everyone, it's all Ash. It's his fault.

[gilded whale]

I was obsessed with Pokemon for a solid year. Gameboy games, trading cards, the show… and then a switch flipped and I was into digimon for a year. I never came back to either lol.

[marble cargo]

I was in that perfect time frame to get invested in Pokémon growing up, and to this day I still do get invested in Pokémon.

I have not touched the more recent games much, but stuff like the randomizers, nuzlockes, VCG, Smogon, etc. still keep my attention.

[fiery hamlet]

USB64 seems to be able to emulate the transfer pak's RTC while it's running but I'm not sure that the apricorn growth would work in Pokemon with that implementation. https://github.com/Ryzee119/usb64/blob/master/src/n64/n64_transferpak_gbcarts.c

[topaz otter]

dont forget that ash fell off that bike and hit his head and the entirety of pokemon is a coma dream

[teal citrus]

Polaris Snocross looks like a boring version of Sled Storm.

[zinc dew]

💯

[teal citrus]

Doesn't even have the Hot Rod Herman Remix of Dragula by Rob Zombie.

[storm bear]

probably answered a hundred times, does the n64 core support crt's through composite with a YC Active adapter?

I get sound but not picture on my end, others cores work fine with little effort

[manic basin]

It captures all the excitement of going to a Polaris dealership and filling out the paperwork.

[storm bear]

solved my issue, i had "clean hdmi" enabled, disabling that gave me picture over vga again

[random portal]

about to try this on the MiSTer.
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8490/

[mellow raft]

curious if it works

some of the F-Zero hacks don't

I do believe that's because they don't work on real hardware either, usually though

[random portal]

F-Zero X Climax seems to work

the attract mode loads levels I haven't gotten to so I guess that might be a good indicator?

F-Zero GX Demake Overdrive crashes when I select a pilot.

[jolly turret]

There isn't any place for support currently, maybe at some point in the future. It's very much appreciated.

[hidden bolt]

Here is a patch that fixes the speed in Batman Beyond. It looks like the devs just forgot to enable a 30 fps framecap for the main game and never noticed because a real n64 isn't fast enough for 60 fps. Luckily the autorun demo does have the cap enabled so I was able to find that and use it for the regular game. So in the end a similar issue as the NTSC OOT file menu.

I only played up to the second level so it is very possible that something might still be wrong later in the game.

[spare meadow]

Thanks so much!!! Can’t wait to get home and try this!
theoretically if the core has in the OSD an option to limit the fps it would fix this issue directly in the core?

[hidden bolt]

No, the core can't really limit framerate like that as far as I know.

[languid dune]

Ruleset going Beyond the call of duty.

I'm trying to think of what other games would still need patches or core updates? Wonder Project J2 works on the turbo core, but not the normal core. What else is there?

[neat sierra]

Was there another “plays too fast” game someone mentioned? Dunno I barely skim since every game I’d play is fine

[chrome quest]

Amazing again Ruleset, thank you!

As for other too fast;
#1096015979055697940 message
Knife Edge, and Wrestling games, maybe more if anyone checks the full issues lists

Not familiar with any of those games to know if they are subtle, or even potentially patchable.
Really scraping the bottom of the games list now

[spare meadow]

Maybe DK attracted mode?

[spare meadow]

Hope @hidden bolt at some point could take a look at the RE2 slowdown issue

[hidden bolt]

Wasn't there some missing RSP feature that was potentially responsible for that? I though I saw that mentioned somewhere.

[thorn quiver]

What irony, it turns out the core is too good

[neat sierra]

Like rain on your wedding day

[kind solar]

like an analogue n64 when you're mister core is already great

[worn delta]

Brilliant work again Ruleset

[gilded whale]

Knife edge I think has a similar issue to Batman beyond no?

[mellow raft]

question .... is this only for MiSTer? It seems this is a more general fix. Could this be used on real hardware too?

[magic girder]

(Updated pinned post with info following latest patch). Let me know if I missed anything, please 🙂

Thanks, Ruleset! So close to 100% now!

[cerulean elk]

and the core just got worse 🤣

(Kidding. Awesome stuff)

[mellow raft]

Too much Batman for ya?

https://tenor.com/view/robin-red-robin-dc-batman-and-robin1997-r69hero-gif-5836817309502846982

[hidden bolt]

Yes, this also fixes the game on emulators, don't know if a real n64 would need it.

[magic girder]

#1096015979055697940 message

Seems to, according to @weary perch

[mossy vector]

I'm expecting a video about this at 4PM. You've got 45 minutes, that ought to be enough.

[cerulean elk]

On a normal day I probably could 😂

But I’m out drinking

[mossy vector]

Looks like a nice day for it.

[thorn quiver]

Beer and darts, perfect combo

[worn delta]

Would be nice if one day a pack of all the required patched games were to show up on some sort of archive site... 🙂

[latent dagger]

@hidden bolt you got a link to wherever you are keeping all your work so I can just bookmark it and download what I need from a list?

[spare meadow]

Found this chat at the old N64-Dev channel. It was a few days before the core development end. Robert said he would take a look at the time, but I dont know if it was possible

[solemn marlin]

Anyone here with an everdrive who has an interest in validating some hacks? Robert said it could be maybe looked at eventually if we have checksums and more than just one

[hidden bolt]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078

[hidden bolt]

He would take a look at the crash, but that has since been fixed with the patch. the no dual issue is the missing RSP feature which may be a limitation of the core on the de-10 nano so the slowdown will likely remain

[solemn marlin]

https://romhacking.com/hack/60-fps-patch and https://romhacking.com/hack/only-up-64 are two patches that I'd like to see on the mister but not sure how well they work on og hardware

[marble cargo]

If it says it works on original hardware, than it should work on the core.

[solemn marlin]

Only up says it works on console but doesn't work on the core, it runs but there are huge issues probably related to timing

The 60fps patch is just a black screen for me and I honestly don't know if it works on console

The diddy kong racing 60 fps patch works surprisingly well and I'd guess that the issues in the patch are similar to what you'd see on a console

The mario kart 60fps patch works on the core but there are occasionally huge black bars across the screen and I'd be interested to know if those are there also on console

I do enjoy a good performance patch tbh

[spare meadow]

Thanks. Very happy that your pach fixed the crashing issue and now the game is playable 😀 seens like the sloth happens with Ares too

[spare meadow]

Will you release a patch for EU/PAL version of Batman Beyond (Batman of the Future) and for the JP version of Jet Force Gemini (Star Twins) too?

[magic girder]

Does the RE2 and KI slowdown persist on the turbo core? Could that be a workaround (with the patch which fixes the crash)?

[languid dune]

Have you tried changing the region in the OSD to PAL? Not sure if I'm using the same 60fps patch, but the one I have only works when setting the region to PAL.

[cerulean elk]

Lance Charlson can do it if someone sends them all to Lance as a zip file

(Also for legal reasons I am most definitely not Lance Charlson)

[spare meadow]

The slowdown are still there (re 2) on turbo core but the game runs a lot better. It’s a great workaround for playing both games

[rose elbow]

i could have a look later, if not just out of curiosity and wanting to see these myself :p

[storm vessel]

Could be your porn name 🤔

[solemn marlin]

Will try that now but I think I actually get sync errors so I lose the screen completely

[solemn marlin]

Please do! The only up one is cool because it has 60fps and high res player model so it's definitely something I'd just like seeing on the n64 for the novelty of it

[rose elbow]

oof Only Up tho lol

might not be the most extensive testing lol

[solemn marlin]

Huh well that did the trick. Cool 🧐

[solemn marlin]

It worked?

[wanton sun]

how is the game limiting to 30fps? Is it looking at the VI line interrupt as vsync trigger? If yes, it might be possible to not execute a vsync interrupt when there have been "too many" framebuffer switches in the previous frames.
e.g.: you want 30 fps but the framebuffer switches in every frame over the last second or so: don't execute every second line/vsync interrupt
Not sure if this could work, just an idea

would be very complicated in case the game runs with 40 fps, however

[solemn marlin]

The patch was a bit underwhelming tho lol. You get that high framerate laggy effect as soon as you enter bob omb battlefield

[languid dune]

Yeah, it slows down pretty bad in most of the stages. But at least it's a fun novelty while exploring the castle.

[solemn marlin]

Yea it's neat. But kind of impressive how diddy kong racing has been one of the better hacks and it's basically hidden away on some github

Intact game logic, no missing frames, no weird visual errors, no slowdowns

[chilly ember]

Classic elitist rom hacking things now

[solemn marlin]

It's a shame

The impact of gatekept discords and githubs has really changed the landscape

[gilded whale]

@ruleset You are a n64 god, you’ve fixed like 6 games now. Crazy.

[storm vessel]

So there are rom hacks that are gate kept? That’s complete shite

[hearty oar]

it is actually infuriating when things are closed source + yeah locked to a discord, even if the discord is open invite

just host it on a normal website my dude, it's not that hard

[solemn marlin]

Things often get more publically released once it's in a more complete state but a constant of the modding/hacking scene is that things rarely reach that status, plus there can be good reasons for keeping things under wraps

Many projects have unfortunately met their demise with a cease and desist

Like that portal demake

Sometimes there's just ego involved tho, it is what it is

[storm vessel]

If they’re trying to avoid CnD, that’s good. Keep it secret til it’s ready

[solemn marlin]

Obviously it'd be nice if every modder was a community minded philanthropist but there's not necessarily any money involved, it's ultimately their work to gatekeep if they feel like it

In the case with diddy kong racing, I just think he considers it unfinished so it's there for those who know how to search for it, mainly guys invested in the diddy kong modding scene

[gilded whale]

I just tried knife edge for the first time on the core. Way too fast to be playable, but it seems like a unique rail shooter that’s kinda cool. Good music at least.

@weary perch Poking around the games with issues list and Madden nfl 2001 and 2002 work just fine. No exploding polygons anymore.

@weary perch I also just tried both the Asian and Japanese Top Gear Rally roms and the menus both display fine. I can’t confirm what the osd is saying because I have all my info turned off.

(I’m using the telescope rbf for reference)

[gilded whale]

Played Rugrats in Paris for like forty five minutes before I got a freeze. Not sure if that’s consistent with the reports or not.

@weary perch tried to reproduce Major League Baseball starting Ken Griffey jr’s title screen flickering and I can’t replicate it. Let attract mode run a bunch.

[lament escarp]

Is rugrats a good game? I never played it. Hated the cartoon.

[gilded whale]

The game is okay, it’s for kids. The upcoming nes game feels like it’s gonna be a classic though based on that demo

[latent dagger]

the only rugrats game I ever played was the one for GameBoy and I played it on a pocket in black and white

[gilded whale]

@weary perch playing the second stage in blues brothers 2000, the gators seem normal speed, enough to beat them fairly easily anyway

As for the rhythm games, I’m not sure yet. I’m not sure if I suck at them, or if there’s something wrong. This game is really terrible.

I’ll revisit the rhythm thing after some sleep

[hidden bolt]

I am not exactly sure how it does the frame limiting. On emulator it just skips every other frame but that might be different on the core which will run a little bit slower. When I run the patched game with a large DDR3 delay it stays at 30 fps so it isn't just cutting the framerate in half.
Halving the vsync interrupt might work but there is a chance other things could run half speed. But yes I doubt the game could run at a solid 60fps throughout, so you might get weird frame pacing issues if limited dynamicaly through the core.

[vapid hawk]

i think re2 runs better in general if you disable the expansion pak so it sticks to 240p

i also just don't like how it looks on 480i screens anyway so its win-win for me

[rose elbow]

hmm. i havent figured out how to get it running tbh :( granted i'm on a PAL n64 with Everdrive x7. Only Up crashes after a few seconds, can't get 60fps patch to run. not sure if there's extras steps i need to be doing other than just patching game lol

[lament escarp]

I also prefer it in 240p since I'm using an exernal scaler and the res change is never as smooth as you want it to be.

Is there an option to set your preferred expansion pack setting in the database?

[vapid hawk]

there is a cheat you can use to do the same thing on real hardware, idk if you can save cheats on?

[lament escarp]

Good idea.

[weary perch]

@gilded whale wow, very interesting that some of those issues are fixed, didn't expect that

the rugrats crashing in 45 minutes is normal, it can crash in 5 minutes or not for an hour, it is pretty random

the gator in BB2000 being fixed would be esp. surprising since it seemed to be a timing issue, but i also hate that game enough that i never even got out of the first stage

so i can't really speak on it lol

it also isn't fixed in Ares so if it is fixed here it would be useful to know exactly what fixed it

[fair stump]

I haven't kept super up to date on all the latest updates going around. Are some of these items making their way to the github issues where necessary?

[weary perch]

i'll update some of them soon if no one else has

the ken griffey title screen can be a bit subtle, but the issue is: on every load subsequent to the first load of the title screen, there will be at least some flicker, although exactly what flickers is apparently semi-random. i'll check it out later today

i believe that one also still affects Ares, so, kinda wild if this stuff is fixed

altho, that one may have been fixed in Ares at some point

need to double-check

you don't have to watch the attract mode demo stuff

just press start once to get back to the title screen when it switches to demo

[solemn marlin]

No it might be the region thing. The 60fps patch works if the region is right. Only up kind of behaves like that on the core as well so I guess I will have to give it up

[topaz otter]

I just came with up an idea for a foolish experiement

what happens if I put the everdrive64 on top of the gameshark and boot it up

[magic girder]

For the sake of the space-time continuum, don’t!

[topaz otter]

I mean the gameshark should just see it as a regular N64 cart right, then I can launch a game and shark it

I wonder if while a game is running, I can dump the game with the parallel port like usual

[jolly turret]

Not sure if this is relevant or not, not an issue in that sense at all. On the Mister, the Castlevania intro jumps to the in-game demo before the music has fully played through, cutting off the last few seconds of the intro music, when directly compared to the N64 console.

[mellow raft]

tbh this isn't wrong. There's some really amazing Pokemon hacks that are kept updated in a Private Discord. I get it... Pokemon is like the #1 game hack scene that Nintendo tends to bring down a lot

[fiery hamlet]

From what I recall, it conflicts with the GameShark and potentially overwrites data on the GameShark's flash chip. 64Drive is the only one that will work on top of a GameShark and only when you load a rom over USB from what I remember. SC64 might also work, but I haven't tried. Bottom line is don't do it with an Everdrive.

There's a way to repair dead GameShark units by stacking them, probably mistakes the Everdrive for another unit.

The contacts also cause corrosion in the N64 slot, so they aren't good to use in general haha. It's safer to use a clone ironically https://github.com/RWeick/REF1329-N64-Gameshark-Clone

[gilded whale]

It is very very bad.

[coral monolith]

The issue isn't fixed on my end. The gator still runs way too quickly compared to a walkthrough video. Seems unbeatable. I'm using NTSC version of the game with the latest (?) N64_telescope titled core

[gilded whale]

The Gators swimming around in the sewer?

[coral monolith]

The gator is chasing the player in a narrow sewer tunnel

It's unkillable in that scene

[gilded whale]

I’m not super familiar with the game so I could be wrong

I beat the crap out of every gator I saw lol

I’m looking through a long play to see if I missed something

[coral monolith]

You can see the scene at 34:22 in LongplayArchive's walkthough

[gilded whale]

Oh the long play I was watching didn’t even go to this area, I’ll have to try this then

My bad for jumping the gun on that one. I saw gators in the sewer and thought that must have been it.

I cannot do these rhythm games, are they playable for you?

[coral monolith]

No problem. The one's in world 2? They weren't that difficult, but not sure if they would be easier on real hardware

[gilded whale]

Maybe i just don’t understand, i hit the buttons and i just get told im missing over and over

Not sure if it was a bug, some kind of latency, or I just suck?

Wired nso controller on a crt, so it shouldn’t be that hard right?

[coral monolith]

I guess not, I'm playing with a wireless nso controller on an oled tv and it wasn't unusually difficult

though I did play that part quite early on the development of the core, so things could have changed

[gilded whale]

I’ll take another look in a second

[gilded whale]

@coral monolith yup that gator is way too fast. I see what you’re talking about now.

I’m gonna go back to never playing this again lol

@weary perch disregard what I said about Blues Brothers 2000

@weary perch I think I saw the MLB Ken Griffey glitch, it’s like really minor pixels dancing around?

[weary perch]

yep

and it's slightly different every time

[gilded whale]

Interesting

[solemn marlin]

Anything nintendo is thin ice

[topaz otter]

Yeah I did this once with my "dead" 2.2 gameshark, it worked

I'm not actually going to plug my gameshark into a device that I paid $190 for

[cerulean elk]

so what is REALLY left now that doesn't work? Rugrats?

[spare meadow]

The alt region version counts? think batman (EU) and Star twins (JP) are still on the list.

[cerulean elk]

not to me...just if ONE region works 100%

[topaz otter]

Man I remember the time when that show was a ratings powerhouse

[thorn quiver]

Inexplicably

[cerulean elk]

its a classic

[topaz otter]

It was a pretty entertaining show, the animation was cheap though

Aren't the games mostly shovelware

[languid dune]

One could argue that Superman 64 doesn't work.

[gilded whale]

@cerulean elk knife edge, mahjong and Rugrats I think

[topaz otter]

I think at this point the question would be, does it not work in all the same places that it doesn't work on original hardware

[twin barn]

@topaz otter don't try to avoid the bot's chat filters. they are there for a reason. thank you

[fair stump]

Quest 64

[kind solar]

some random fb page popped up with this just now

[cerulean elk]

Would make a good tattoo. @zinc dew get a back piece

You tattoo it I’ll pay!

[fair stump]

Does he have room for another? I know he already has a large back tattoo of this guy

[cerulean elk]

Except the demon head is Hank Hill

[zinc dew]

I sell eternal damnation and eternal damnation accessories.

[rich warren]

"It's just liver! It's not going to kill you!"

[gilded whale]

Just played through Batman beyond. @hidden bolt’s patch works all the way through

[hidden bolt]

great! thanks for testing!

I also added PAL patch in the forum thread for those wondering

[spare meadow]

Great news! Thanks

[weary perch]

the mahjong game already works perfectly on the turbo core ftr

and you can play it on the normal core even, if you take out the cpak

games that still don't work properly include Rugrats in Paris (randomly crashes), DDR - Disney Dancing Museum (timing issues), Knife Edge (too fast), as well as timing issues causing all of the WCW games to run at various degrees of too fast

Waialae Country Club still can't save, so while it is playable it is not in an ideal state either

[fair stump]

The Rush series of games also have really weird saving issues it seemed to me

[weary perch]

yes

all playable, though

the ones above are closer to unplayable

i wonder if the rush stuff needs the ID codes for the cpaks to be correct

oh yeah, Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery still crashes

that's a legit bottom-of-the-barrel N64 game right there, though

nigh-worthless imo 😄

apologies if that's your fave

[chrome quest]

Nintama Rantarou defender has logged on. I must complete the moo moo cow puzzle 🐄

[weary perch]

so yeah we got maybe a half-dozen or so games left that have major issues

incredible stuff...

people were clowning on Polaris but the stuff that's left now like Rugrats and Nintama Rantarou are orders of magnitude worse lol

[chrome quest]

It's amazing. Very very little not working. I watch that game for working status, only as I logged the issue first. I think I was checking games other emulators have issues with.
Willing to bet most people have never booted it, and right they are

[weary perch]

if Polaris is a solid 5/10, Rugrats is like a 2 and Nintama Rantarou is maybe 1/2 of a star at best

oh yeah, there's BB2000 as well. another stinker

[wanton sun]

i guess the latest build is tested enough now and shows no issues? Will build a normal and turbo release then this weekend

[weary perch]

it's been amazing to see the core progress even more this summer

thought it was all wrapped up on the DE-10 nano!

[wanton sun]

Rulesets ability to change game code and with that debug games really gave it a new way to debug things that otherwise seemed impossible with the random RAM behavior

[weary perch]

🫡 @hidden bolt you are a wizard

[jolly turret]

Thanks @hidden bolt, your work is much appreciated!

[topaz otter]

Did you see how many times I tried to get around it? Give the programmer a raise

[daring meteor]

Gib commit

[thorn quiver]

The power of cooperation!

[wanton sun]

already there 🙃

[daring meteor]

Thanks, its amazing to look at it and see what a simple change it all is haha

[weak hill]

did solution of the the telescope of mm, fixed another game?

[wanton sun]

as there are not many render issue known, i doubt it

[junior pine]

So Conker is now completable without crashes?
What's left, RE2? (apart from mahong games and other shovelware)

[atomic stratus]

I think a number of people have completed RE2 just fine, but mayyybe there was still some potential for random crashes? Not sure…keeping up with this has been a wild ride

[remote hatch]

Resident Evil 2 runs fine with the patch, there are only slowdowns

[spare meadow]

Don’t know if this is a render issue. Couldn’t test if the telescope build fix this:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/25

I wont be at home until the weekend, maybe someone could test it

[wanton sun]

most likely some wild texture mode that by luck works on hardware but is not handled yet in the core. There are still some left i never found examples for

there are like 30 texture modes and half of them has no sane function but instead does "something" that is often behaving like different modes but you need to know which one it defaults to

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman Hero uses the "best game on N64" texture mode I do know that!

[wanton sun]

No textures at all but instead solid color only?

Sorry, i like the game, but the visuals are...simple

[thorn quiver]

As a game/graphics developer I can tell you that is exactly what we were looking for when trying to push the envelope. Weird uses of the hw

[cerulean elk]

haha I had nothing concrete to add but wanted to have fun

was uploading a new N64 vid for 4 today with Batman and peeking over at chat

[wanton sun]

if it would allow something new, it could be useful, but it does not. The texture modes are more like letters A..E combined with number 1..4, so you could for example have A4 as one a valid mode. But maybe due to a programming mistake you use A5, which does not exist, so the hardware will use A4 instead. Nothing won with that weird mode, but as core/emu developer you need to know which it is to replicate.

[thorn quiver]

Aha i see

Sounds like it just ignores some of the bits

But you would know 🙂

Was thinking of mirroring in memory maps and the like

[wanton sun]

there are certain combinations defined and allowed, the others sometimes seem to make sense somehow, but some are rather random mapped

[thorn quiver]

Weird

[wanton sun]

however, i haven't seen one that really needs additional logic, they could always be replicated by reusing the existing "allowed" ones

[thorn quiver]

Yeah

Low risk of useful stuff like 6502 nmos opcodes then

[wanton sun]

the issue with such a bug is, that it's only for a short time so researching it is a big pain

also deep inside the game

so i never even tried to find out

[cerulean elk]

Not a fun bug hunt I’m sure

[gilded whale]

The quality of the games left to patch or fix is pretty eh. But everybody is clowning on the Rugrats game, but the game seems completely fine? It may be made for actual babies but it’s well made no? Granted I only played an hour, so maybe I’ve been spared the horror.

And no I’m not requesting a patch, the ps1 version is just fine for me lol

The only interesting game left that is also a n64 exclusive is knife edge from what I can see.

[daring meteor]

I love Mahjong

[cerulean elk]

Really now it’s that pride statement of “100%”

[gilded whale]

Is there a way to patch out the rtc requirement for animal crossing, or is that too integral to the game? I’ve never played one for longer than ten minutes

[gilded whale]

When it happens I’ll get a shirt printed that says ‘100% n64 compatibility’ so people can honk their horns at me going down the street

[wanton sun]

animal crossing doesn't really have a rtc requirement. You can just set the time when starting the game or load a save

[gilded whale]

Some quick and dirty shirt designs (I have no life lol)

[wanton sun]

the more critical issue is that the translation itself has a bug and will only work on a non-tlb n64/emu/core (after some time)

[gilded whale]

Huh so even in real hardware it’s bugged?

[wanton sun]

yes

we discussed that some months ago

only the translation, original is fine

[gilded whale]

So does that mean you can run it using an older version of your core that doesn’t have tlb?

[wanton sun]

yes, but i can't remember the exact date. The search might find it

[gilded whale]

I’ll find it, I’ll make a mgl. I’m sure an animal crossing die hard out there somewhere will appreciate it

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK4B1vsFvlA

enjoy 😄

[cerulean elk]

TLB was before 11/19/2023

[magic girder]

Guess I know what @cerulean elk’s doing this weekend then 😂

[cerulean elk]

I posted a vid that day when the first core with TLB was released

[cerulean elk]

Not working this weekend

I have an update vid tonight about Batman and test cores / patches

[magic girder]

Sure you’re not, buddy. Sure you’re not. 😉

[cerulean elk]

ill do a vid Monday

[cerulean elk]

lol well I wont be at home and my mic will be here so...kinda DEF not making one

unless my wife makes it for me while I am gone lol

probably get more views...way prettier than I am!

[magic girder]

Camera phone that bad boy 😂

[gilded whale]

I guess then we’ll truly be beyond Batman at that point

[cerulean elk]

not much diff between released update and what this vid is anyway

ill do a vid Monday 4 pm most likely

Ive got N64 today at 4, Saturn tomorrow at 4, QMTech clone review tomorrow at 7:30 am and Taki clone updates for Friday. Plus a special N64 vid Sunday 4 pm

[gilded whale]

News at 11

[magic girder]

It’s like circling things in the TV guide

[magic girder]

For the young people here, a TV guide was a magazine (dead tree) with information printed about what time shows would be on, and on which TV channel.

A TV channel was a bit like YouTube except shows ran at very specific times, and if you missed it, you didn’t see it. Unless you had a VHS recorder.

A VHS recorder was…

[gilded whale]

Can I get Mr beast on vhs?

[orchid nimbus]

https://mister.vampier.net/N64/

[cerulean elk]

haha I was right

[orchid nimbus]

yup

2024-03-13 Core Development has ended

I guess that's also not true

[magic girder]

American date formatting 🤮

[cerulean elk]

USA USA USA

[orchid nimbus]

Freedom dates!!

[gilded whale]

242 just shy of my record

[orchid nimbus]

in one night?

[cerulean elk]

I love that all I did was post a date and now somehow people are talking about dicks

[gilded whale]

This is what I have so far. Not loading the rom though. Hm.

Maybe I’ll do it through the favorites script instead of manually and edit it after

[magic girder]

Robby’s your man for mgl files

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/#mgl-format

Does that help?

[orchid nimbus]

Metal Gear Lunch

[magic girder]

https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/mrext/blob/main/docs/systems.md#nintendo-64

According to that link, delay and index should be 1, type should be f.

[gilded whale]

It’s okay

I think I got it

Thanks tho

[magic girder]

No problem

[gilded whale]

I uploaded it just waiting for it to show up

I named it ‘animal crossing (Nintendo 64 misterfpga core)’

For when it eventually pops up, it’s taking forever for some reason

[magic girder]

Maybe reboot?

I don’t think it would show up on the menu until the menu restarts, but I might be wrong

[gilded whale]

Oh no I mean on archive it wasn’t showing

It’s there now btw

If somebody could test it for me

It worked for me

That title screen music on animal crossing is nice

If somebody wants it to fit in their folder structure you’ll have to go in and edit the mgl further and move stuff around. I just did a basic directory so it was a one size fits all (in theory)

[weary perch]

i guess it's fine, it's more mediocre than anything, but it's in that valley where it's just a boring licensed game. not uniquely terrible enough to be notable like superman 64, just tedious and boring. the music and graphics are good, though. i think it's mostly the fact that i was testing games that i played it long enough to even determine that i really didn't like it lol

[hasty musk]

@wanton sun can you post how full fpga chip is with n64 core. When the new build is done.

[zinc dew]

👀

[cerulean elk]

I got my vid ready to go in 55 min

[manic basin]

Guessing the timing tests are going to take a minute. The kind of craftsmanship you come to expect from old world, wood cask aged cores.

[cerulean elk]

so you are saying this isnt the Mickey's of cores?

[manic basin]

C'mon. O'Doole's at least.

[cerulean elk]

thats NA. Who wants that?

[manic basin]

Not if you spike it with everclear.... look, I miss my chemistry class ok?

[gilded whale]

I’m lost lol

[cerulean elk]

were talking Steel Reserve

[gilded whale]

Gotcha lol

If somebody could test my mgl out and report back I would greatly appreciate it

(Archive.org)

Let me know if it loads proper and go into the about section to see if it loaded the right core version ( I think it was November 17th 2023)

[manic basin]

This doesn't tell the whole story as that free space becomes less and less usable for fitter, so this is pretty tight.

And DSP is 99%

[magic girder]

Digital signal processor?

[cerulean elk]

shitters full

[manic basin]

*Fitter's full

[cerulean elk]

"have you checked our fitters honey"

vid is loose...I AM BATMAN (a bad version of Batman)

[manic basin]

It's half the speed it used to be...half the speed it used to be.... Scott Wayneland

[cerulean elk]

Kirkland brand Batman

[gilded whale]

Ouch my feelings lol

[cerulean elk]

maybe even worse...Sam's Club Batman

no....DOLLAR GENERAL BATMAN

[gilded whale]

Roast my drawing geez

Youre lucky i made it to be bad

[cerulean elk]

haha I am talking about the game...not the drawing

[thorn quiver]

Which batman is this, the Clooney?

[gilded whale]

Its uh Val Keaton

[thorn quiver]

Ah yeah

[cerulean elk]

Val Venis

[surreal bay]

Will the new turbo core this weekend have a fix for Hori SNAC?

I'd really like to use it for smash bros tournaments, but can't since Hori has issues w/ the turbo core.

[dusty tusk]

Any chance of a pwm build for the next version?

[ripe cargo]

Can you share the channels?

[ripe cargo]

Is there a way to get into this channel? I love pokemon games.

[neat sierra]

yeah sure Nintendo lawyer

[mellow raft]

It was just for one specific hack lol. I'm not in the discord since I typically don't stick around in ones that are just to download content. Especially since it was primarily Spanish.

Sorry can't remember the name of it.

[lone geyser]

Could be sauceyaTTa or Team Luminescent. Those are the big ones I know of that use Discord, though I can't recall if either of them specifically do not distribute elsewhere. I'm comfortable naming them because they only distribute patches, not copyrighted material

[topaz otter]

don't these guys make money off these hacks

thats why they hide from the long arm of the big N

[mellow raft]

idk about the one I'm talking about... I didn't donate to get into the discord... found it on youtube

I would never pay money for a romhack xD

[zinc dew]

Anyone else just use the N64 core to play their games? I stopped playing original hardware months ago. This core is a better experience for me.

Got all the games at my finger tips, works on my HDTVs, even have a great wireless controller to boot. Living the dream right here.

[gilded whale]

I’ve had my console and everdrive in a box ready to sell since around Christmas. I was waiting for conker and jfg tbh lol

The plan was to sell it once compatibility was higher than my everdrive

I feel it’s been good enough to sell for like a month now, so I listed it. No bites yet though

[zinc dew]

I hope you sell it for a good chunk of change, brother 🍻

Original hardware is cool as hell

[gilded whale]

I threw my Saturn with phoebe ode up too

I love it so much, buttt I happen to like mister more

And I don’t need to get rid of anything, but my motivation is more getting the stuff out to people that will play them, I also don’t want to boot it up one day after years to find out it doesn’t work

This stuff is aging, and I don’t need a project when I have a perfectly functional core

[twin cloak]

I found an old bug in Conker's today on the new telescope core. I've known about this for awhile and wanted to try it out to see if it froze the core. You need to start a multiplayer match on the beach and one of the players needs to snipe the squirrel while it's swimming in the water. The squirrel will spawn and the game will freeze but the audio continues to run. I know it's not an N64 core bug but if we could try to figure out a patch for it that would be cool.

[daring meteor]

Pog, the core freezes accuratly

[ripe cargo]

I tested your upload and it worked great. I edited the directory structure in the mgl to match mine. I am not sure of the reason this needed to run on an older core, but it worked great! Thanks

[gilded whale]

That’s awesome to hear! Do you happen to know the details of the bugs caused by the translation, I was wanting to test it

I think it has something to do with it not saving progress after a few in game days?

[ripe cargo]

No I don't know what the issues are at all. If someone can let me know, I can probably do some testing.

[gilded whale]

From what I understand because of how the patcher patched the rom the mod is incompatible with tlb. So I made it load from the most recent core that predates tlb implementation. This apparently fixes the problem?

Apparently this is even an issue in everdrives etc. I guess the modder only tested in a specific emulator?