Nintendo 64

[weary oyster]

At that point, why not consider the decompilation projects out there?

[solemn marlin]

Those are interesting too, guess I'm just wondering what the limit of the machine is. If nintendo could create a new m64 console which suddenly gave you a much higher framerate to the original cartridges 🤔

Not that I think nintendo has much interest in creating ways to play their old games with accurate original hardware with QOL improvements, if their modern n64 ports is anything to go by

[wanton sun]

most games would just not run at 60fps, because they are locked to 20/30

[solemn marlin]

Yea thought so

[wanton sun]

the amount of games that would profit from higher "turbo" is relativly small i would say

it also increases the chance of the game having issues, because the developers never tested with hardware timing being off that much

[solemn marlin]

Yea the machine would basically need custom solutions for individual games to increase framerate while not breaking game logic, at that point we arrive at decompilation

Tbh that's why it's always impressive to me to see improvements to console games, pc games were made to take advantage of upgraded technology while console games are actively fighting against it lol

[storm vessel]

What are the disabled things? Only for CRT users or no?

[elfin relic]

Y/C is composite and PWM is for getting more bits over analog, so yes that's CRT people stuff

[storm vessel]

Thx. I have yet to run my MiSTer on a CRT but those sounded vaguely familiar.
Is the PWM for 24bit color?

[elfin relic]

yes more bits for more better

[storm vessel]

I believe you don’t have a CRT but, do you know if running MiSTer from hdmi through a converter to a CRT would still benefit from YC or PWM? Or could that be strictly a VGA port out feature?

[elfin relic]

if you mean the digital video converters, then PWM doesn't matter, but I think Y/C might? I don't know

[storm vessel]

Fair enough 😉

Thx again

[vapid hawk]

i thnk the idea is to put those back in once its confirmed working anyways

[storm vessel]

Oh, well that would be ideal although I would understand the need for separate, partial features cores, on for CRT users and one for HDMI users if it overall improved compatibility

[vapid hawk]

i'm still just stunned that ruleset was able to fix it in the core tbh

[surreal bay]

Was SNAC ever fixed for hori on the turbo core? It’s the perfect core for competitive smash bros but we can’t use it for tournaments since some players play on hori.

Also I’m bringing my mister to Supernova next week which is the biggest smash 64 tournament of the year. A lot of top and international players haven’t tried it yet. So far all the players I’ve shown it to prefer to play on mister and not original console.

[lament escarp]

Yeah it's amazing. But which game to we now claim to be good to get it fixed? Naboo is supposed to work on the new core.

[vapid hawk]

between patches and the new core fix i think everything works now doesn't it?

[lament escarp]

Wasn't there an obscure mahjong game that might crash or something?

[spare meadow]

I think Batman Beyond still has issues

[compact depot]

Wait, so is there a new core build that runs conker unpatched flawlessly now? 😱

[hidden bolt]

We found another potential issue with the Cache instruction. FPGAZumSpass made a build that should fix it. There was a possibility that the Cache instruction could cause a TLB miss which would crash the game. I don't think this will fix any currently known bugs, but it is a more robust solution either way. Y/C is enabled for this build. If no regressions are found FPGAZumSpass will add it in an official release.

[vapid hawk]

two now infact 😛

[jolly turret]

Awesome! Which patches do we no longer need to use with your recent fixes? Or is it better to keep and use all the patched roms regardless?

[hidden bolt]

Conker and Naboo won't need any patches anymore

[spare meadow]

I know RE 2 don’t get fixed in this core version because it has timing issues but I am curious, the slowdown at begging of the game is timing related too

[kind solar]

just tried conker last night having never played it. immediately laughing at the clockwork orange homage

[raw oriole]

The humour is a bit up and down (some stuff wouldn't be done now, except by Rockstar who appear to be locked in the 90s for their scriptwriting) but it has a bunch of very good moments. Well worth the play.

[cerulean elk]

👍 10-4

if I run a second vid once / if this goes update_all repo ill notate it slightly diff

[kind solar]

does anyone have tips on filter/display settings for the core? i found it ugly without scanlines so this is what i have been using but it's a bit dim/dark (i have HDR setting turned on, not sure what else i can do besides play without scanlines)

[rich warren]

If you want scanlines:
Load Preset > General Hardware > Console - 4th Gen

If you want the scanlines reduced/brighter try
/Scanlines - Adaptive/SLA_Dk_070_Br_100.txt
on the Vert Filter with the above preset

[ivory laurel]

I usually use this when using all the N64 VI features ON

[kind solar]

thanks

[kind solar]

did this with my current settings and i think that's a happy medium for me, maybe with a little interpolation 👍

[mellow raft]

I love this preset that RetroFonse made. I did a couple edits for OLED niceties

just drop in the Presets folder and you can use in various cores

I haven't found any cores where it looks bad yet tbh

[kind solar]

do you have the original? i don't use an OLED

[mellow raft]

#settings-workshop message
I only changed the Gamma Correction setting

[rich warren]

Does gamma correction work with the core? It's always blurred out in the OSD

[mellow raft]

Not with the N64, I guess... but it's just a color correction, and shouldn't negatively affect the look too much

[rich warren]

ok - gotcha (forgot it's a general preset for all cores, haha). Will try it out my LGs

[mellow raft]

It will be a bit dark, unfortunately... But you can use a higher number GS Sharpness hfilter to reduce the darkening

Sorry I meant higher number vfilter

like 100 or so doesn't look too bad

I set the hfilter to 70 and the vfilter to 90 and I think that's a bit better

[rich warren]

I usually set the OLED dark setting to 'High' with my mister since CRTs weren't true black anyway (helps to make the 0-1 range in 240p test suite show up) but it also depends on the room lighting. I think having the adaptive scanlines Dk floor set to 0 to allow the lines to 'bloom' sounds cool to try

[kind solar]

do we have adaptive scanlines in the core now out of interest? i can't tell if they are active or not

[mellow raft]

I don't recall any core having adaptive scanlines unless I'm mistaken. That's always been a filter feature

[kind solar]

i thought the core had to enable it

like the framework gamma

[mellow raft]

do you mean adaptive deinterlacing?

[kind solar]

no i mean the adaptive scanline filters vs the regular scanline filters in the framework

[mellow raft]

I didn't know they functioned separately. I'm not sure

[rich warren]

There's no scanline options (eg Scandoubler FX) in the core. You have to use Video processing filters to add them

[mellow raft]

I think they understand that. they're saying that the two need separate support I think

[kind solar]

my impression was that the adaptive scanline filters in the framework had to be enabled or they would function as regular scanlines but i've really no idea and if i've been told previously i've forgotten lol soz

either way setting the adaptive scanlines to what was suggested above looks alright to me now

[rich warren]

ah right - forgot adaptive scanline filters need to be enabled in core (at least according to this thread https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=4149 and this RRGB post https://www.retrorgb.com/mister-fpga-updates-adaptive-scanlines-psx-bug-squashing-and-more.html)
not sure either if it's in N64 (it's been around since 2022 so probably?) but at least it looks good to you!

[vapid hawk]

when adaptive scanlines were first introduced they were rolled out core by core

that was over long before n64 development started though

oh and i suppose just to confuse things for a while n64 core wasn't using the latest sys so didn't have them

i'm 99% sure it does now though

[marble cargo]

I want to try out that new build with Rayman 2 in particular.

Last time I was playthrough that game, there was a bug on the core that caused the game to randomly crash after you reach the end of a level and it tries to load the save screen. It became increasingly common later into the game.

[zinc dew]

Oh wow, didn’t know! I didn’t put much time into it so only like four levels. I’ll give it a shot too.

[hidden bolt]

Rayman 2 doesn't use TLB so it is unlikely to get fixed by this. I had a look at some other games on the issues page and Wipeout, Rugrats, Polaris Snocross and tonic trouble all don't use TLB, so those probably won't be fixed by this. Gauntlet Legends does use TLB so it might benefit.

Although Gauntlet legends can also crash on Ares, so maybe not.

[jolly turret]

Do you have any idea what could be causing the audio clicking noises? Is this isse in any way related to your research and work?

[wanton sun]

the latest change cannot influence it

i suspect the main reason for the audio clicks is the rsp didn't finish the decompressing in time, so new samples are not available. However, this only makes sense if the turbo core has at least less clicks than the normal core in the same situation

the captures you made suggest that a whole buffer(few hundret samples) is lost, but sometimes only for left/right channel. So it cannot be the audio interface(AI) itself, because the AI only has 1 buffer handling for both channels together. So the issue is very likely outside the AI

[jolly turret]

Thanks for the info. Let me know if there is anything specific that I can test for you.

[ivory laurel]

I feel I have to do something but don’t know what 🤣

[drowsy lantern]

I'm just so amazed and speechless that this is happening at all. Had much less time to dedicate to this channel/testing lately, but coming in here and seeing that new fixes are being made to the core brings a tear to my eye. Amazing work Ruleset (and Robert, of course)! 👏

[kind solar]

who is ruleset?

[eternal ravine]

Shigeru Miyamoto

[kind solar]

destroying us from within

[gilded whale]

Sorry to present the naggy question, but is a new turbo core planned once this new round of changes is ironed out? Just curious

[sonic kiln]

Wait seriously there's a crash fix now?

[zinc dew]

It’s in the pins - #1096015979055697940 message

It’s currently being test by the community so please give it a shot and report back if you run into any issues. Thank you very much.

[worn delta]

Fantastic to see other people stepping in to help make the N64 core even better, great work BearOnGuitar and Ruleset.

In other related news, Artemio has been working on a rework of the N64 240p Test Suite with MD Fourier support. Here is the latest version if anyone wants to test it out. 🙂

[eternal ravine]

Yeah the audio clicks are plentiful when playing Conker on turbo core

Don't remember it being that way

[kind solar]

idk if it helps but i'm playing conker on the regular patched core from the pin and i've gotten a high pitched beep a couple times now in the area with the big breasted sunflower

just now whilst paused

[magic girder]

Pretty sure I heard that very sporadically too (in a different location). I wonder if it’s somehow related to the same issue that causes the clicks.

[cerulean elk]

Don’t let us down! Get to testing

[compact depot]

I’m 5000 miles away from my MiSTer

Can’t wait to test the new core out

[drowsy lantern]

Sorry it’s summer time! Too busy throwing myself off perfectly functional airplanes and doing stuff like this! 😅

[cerulean elk]

Never jumped out of a plane but I’ve done a bunch of BASE jumping

Out at Perrin Bridge and off some big ass canyons

When I was younger 🤣 I dunno if my back could take the snap these days

[drowsy lantern]

No way! Too cool! 😎 BASE jumping kinds of scares me tho! The odds of a line twist throwing you right back at the cliff is something I shiver to think about! Tho from a bridge might actually be fun! I’d have to go the US tho. 😅

[random portal]

I finally gave Cruise'n USA a chance and beat it. I remember renting it back in the day once but I had already been exposed to World and Exotica so the gameplay felt limited. This time, before running through World and Exotica, I managed to stick with it. I mostly enjoyed the concept of the game rather than the gameplay itself. When I got around to playing World, I was quickly reminded why I didn't like USA back then.

[solemn reef]

Was this on purpose or was it a Boeing flight? 😄

[cerulean elk]

Yes bridges are a lot safer since if you get 180’d back to where you came from it’s open air

I’ve never jumped off any cliffs that weren’t jutting out and giving you some breathing room. I didn’t have the constitution for the “straight down against the cliff wall” deal

[latent dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqiTiva2v7c

[weak hill]

didnt you like better world over exotica? i think exotia looks worst overall.

[random portal]

Gameplay-wise, Exotica is much better. World is a great middle ground between locations and gameplay.

[weak hill]

let me revisit exotica, i always have complaints haha, i remember something of the world mechanics wasnt in the game and i was like....wtf

[jolly turret]

Artemio does amazing work! I will be using his MD Fourier this weekend to compare the Mister audio filter presets against the actual N64 console that the filters are based on, besides creating additional frequency graphs and audio files for direct listening comparisons. So far I haven't received any user feedback yet, so if you get to try out the filters be sure to let me know about your experience.

[random portal]

oh yeah I think I know what you mean. Exotica does have a more compressed appearance.

textures like the sand have rerrible color bleeding but I can't remember if it was like that for World as well.

[spare meadow]

I’ve been testing the new v2 core with conker (usa - unpached) since yesterday and zero crashes 😀
Play Naboo two for a few minutes but this not my kind of game, so I didn’t go far playing it. Anyway , it didn’t crash while I was playing.
Any other TLB game that we should been looking at for testing?

[magic girder]

Gauntlet Legends may be interesting to try to see if that still crashes

[kind solar]

no conker crashes here either. probably racked up 10 hours by now, mostly on the v2 core

[rich warren]

Put a few more hours into retail Conker with the test core and no crashes. Also, I've unlocked the dog in patched JFG and no issues (using the stable core btw). Unsure if anyone else has made it that far 😆

I'll test some Battle for Naboo since I like Factor 5 SW flight sims of that era

[compact depot]

This is amazing! Thanks @hidden bolt for your efforts on this important fix!

Is the updated core available via downloader.sh?

[mortal panther]

It doesn't appear to be. Just a test build for the time being, looks like.

[zinc dew]

Test build in the pins in-case anyone wasn’t aware and is looking for it.

[iron dove]

The pins has the v1, Ruleset shared a v2:
#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

Thank you very much!

[iron dove]

Legend, thanks

[hidden bolt]

Nobody asked for this, but here is a patch for Polaris SnoCross. This is essentially the same fix as for RE2 so it was pretty easy just to try it out.

[vapid hawk]

@cerulean elk isn't that one of your favorites?

[vagrant ivy]

anything with white powder is mr Bacon's Favourite

[cerulean elk]

Lol so not doing a video for this

Next vid is if everything is fixed. What’s left?

[vapid hawk]

err

[lament escarp]

Gauntlet?

[vagrant ivy]

yep just realised that comment could be wildly misinterpreted

[vapid hawk]

oh yeah gauntlet and like, some mahjong game?

[chrome quest]

Batman Beyond going double speed?

[vapid hawk]

is the OOT title screen still double speed?

[chrome quest]

Wonder if it still is, is it somehow the same effect

[vapid hawk]

well not the title screen but like the blue first menu with new game/load game

could be related

[chrome quest]

IIRC Ares has the same batman issue, some other emulators for sure do.
Would be interesting to see if they have the same OoT effect

[vapid hawk]

maybe its some like, really weird vsync method they used or something

or attempt at framerate limiter

[spare meadow]

I was just trying this game yesterday with the new core. Its a great game and deserves a chance. Thank you @hidden bolt for this patch😀

[wanton sun]

thank you so much @hidden bolt !

[fair stump]

Anyone tried out those audio filters?

[spare meadow]

I think Batman Beyond would be a great candidate for the next pach 😀. gauntlet too.
Also, I was testing Wonder Project (translated version) on the new core and it didn’t crash on the first store but I not sure what is need to do in the store to get a crash. I just bought and selled an item and everything was ok

[spare meadow]

I did and they are great

[lament escarp]

Usually I'm the first to claim that some awful game is actually great to make someone fix it but we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel by now. Though gauntlet and batman beyond could be pretty good. Haven't decided yet.

[rich warren]

I need to play more Gauntlet, but I did get through levels 1-1 and 1-2 (~35 minutes of play time) with no issues on the test core

I let it idle for a while too

[magic girder]

I’m actually kinda excited to try Polaris SnoCross. I thought the game looked kinda fun to try. (I don’t have the PS1 version)

[zinc dew]

It’s the game I play with every new build!!

Yeasssssssss

[magic girder]

Y’all forgot the rugrats game btw

And I’m pretty sure that I read that the Mickey karting game was somehow broken - but I tried it (albeit briefly) and it seemed okay. Maybe if it was a weird TLB issue it might have been fixed with the new core

[zinc dew]

I played a bunch of Mickey’s Speedway U.S.A. with the kids and never ran into problems.

[magic girder]

@zinc dew the issues link here has a typo, and I wonder if the patch info should be updated?

[magic girder]

Good to know. It seemed fine when I tried it, but I only did a handful of races

[zinc dew]

Thanks! I was using the < > to prevent the link from automatically unfurling but forgot one lol

[magic girder]

Only noticed cos I tried to click it 😄

[zinc dew]

Ok and updated the games with patches list too, thanks again for being awesome @magic girder !

[magic girder]

no u

But thank you

[jolly turret]

Did you also try the HD filter? If so I'm curious to know what you think of it.

[zinc dew]

I also gave 'em a shot. I am no expert but the regular one does sound like my N64 on a CRT which is pretty sweet. The HD one is a tad clearer too which is a good compromise between the native sound from the core and the filter.

Good job!

[zinc dew]

I wonder what Uncensored CBFD rom is intended for the patches. None that I have work.

[lament escarp]

You don't need any patches for that anymore, just the new test core!

[hidden bolt]

Until there is a new Turbo core, you will still need them for that, but you need to use the regular NTSC .z64 rom with the uncensored patch

[zinc dew]

OH right, I forgot about that

thank youuuuuu

[lament escarp]

I don't use the turbo core personally. If I want game to play smoother I just slow down my perception of frames via alcohol intake on my side.

[jolly turret]

I appreciate the feedback. Yes, the regular filter very closely sounds like the console hooked up via the multi out connector and original av cable, I'm happy to know that you are confirming this. I run this setup with my CRT and it feels exactly like playing my original N64 but with a sharper and clearer image. Having the filter turned off essentially is like using a full range output as it's the case with hdmi modded n64 consoles, where there will not be any filtering present. Some people will prefer one over the other, and I think it's great to have choices.

I'm also happy to know that you confirm what I hear with the HD version, and that it can have a valid purpose.

[lament escarp]

Sorry to hijack the conversation, but since you're here right now, would #settings-workshop message be in any way applicable on a mister audio filter?

[jolly turret]

I'm not sure anymore, since the filters are already finished. If you think that it's a good idea I can post them there as well for testing purposes.

[lament escarp]

Sure, if it's not too much trouble. 🙂

[jolly turret]

Ok, I'll post them there as well.

[magic girder]

Polaris SnoCross seems to work for me. Thanks @hidden bolt!

Also the filter sounds great, @jolly turret 🙂

(Trying the “original”, not the “HD” one)

[abstract slate]

ATTENTION EVERYONE WHO ISN'T ACTIVE: Please leave.

[lone geyser]

Got 'eem

[abstract slate]

yeah nice. They'll definitely see that.

[tidal zenith]

no

[deft tree]

Raise your hand if you're not here so we can delete you from the thread. Thanks.

[tidal zenith]

🖐️

wait

shit

[pliant pollen]

same

here to say we should get PWM merged in the main core

[amber cosmos]

This is Slothphobic

[abstract slate]

I disagree

[raw oriole]

Today I'm pickin' on the Zeeees

Sorry folks! If you see this, then you've already done everything needed to rejoin.

[tidal zenith]

noooooo, not 'z'

[raw oriole]

I can do the sh's if you like. Unvoiced vs voiced.

[tidal zenith]

[raw oriole]

Oh, there's only like 5. Not worth it

[zinc dew]

The great culling!

[deft tree]

R's next

[zinc dew]

Up to you but it’d be great to submit this as part of the audio filters repository once you’re satisfied - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Filters_MiSTer

We only have one core specific audio filter. 😭

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew fix that - make more!

[neat sierra]

Better say something

Boop

Nice work @hidden bolt !

[neat sierra]

I’m not going to pretend I’ll ever play that snowmobile game, but I’m impressed nonetheless

[gilded whale]

I played Polaris for like an hour, that’s a solid 6/10. I like it.

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s right on the money. It’s decent but nothing special. Like a poor man’s Sled Storm (PS1).

[gilded whale]

Rumble really enhances it

[vapid hawk]

now we've got a couple of rumbling cores on mister i'm kind of noticing that rumble used to be better. like we lost something possibly when controllers all went wireless?

its not just stronger though it's also more intricate and clever. only really the haptics on the dualsense even come close today

like riding epona in zelda you feel each individual footfall quite distinctly for example

[gilded whale]

Yeah they seem to pulse at different speeds and the range seems more pronounced on wired stuff, I’ve noticed that too

On wireless it’s usually just like a bang effect for firing a gun, or junting against something, or a heartbeat effect. That could also just be devs being less creative with it

[vapid hawk]

its possible devs just spent more effort on it because it was new and novel

[latent dagger]

I think it was that

[gilded whale]

I know it was true of the wireless controllers of that era that they couldn’t replicate the same level of rumble

[latent dagger]

And they are putting effort (at least first party is) with dual sense cuz it's the new hotness with the whole haptics thing

[vapid hawk]

dualsense is hit and miss too tbf

and we probably dont remember the games with mid rumble from back in the day

[latent dagger]

I remember turning vibration off a lot with a lot of games because it was distracting. Also killed battery on wireless

[gilded whale]

I remember I’d leave the cutscenes in mgs1 playing and DARPA chief would have a stroke and the controller would wind up on the floor every time lol

[latent dagger]

90% of my time with the Xbox 360 was spent without it

[gilded whale]

I’m interested in playing some of the gba games that have added rumble support, too bad I don’t have a snes pad that rumbles, maybe the 8bitdo one with thumbsticks?

Wario land 4 has a rumble hack for example

[vapid hawk]

did the GBA core get rumble support?

[gilded whale]

Yeah I’m pretty sure it did

I tested drill dozer with it

[vapid hawk]

nice, i remember it being discussed like, when the gba core was new but mister didn't have rumble support

[gilded whale]

But I tested it with a DualShock 4 which felt wrong

[vapid hawk]

VR rumble is pretty cool actually, on the PSVR2 it can actually shake your head

[gilded whale]

I just pictured a guys head exploding like a melon

[vapid hawk]

not that hard 😄

i think they used the same haptics type engine from the pads, cos like it'll kick in subtly to signify wind for example

[gilded whale]

I think being found dead in a vr get up might be my least preferred way to go now that I think of it lol

[zinc dew]

Modern rumble is basically making waveforms and it’s much more complex. Prior rumble was just activating the low or high motor.

I did all the haptic feedback for weapons on DOOM Eternal, there’s a fair bit of nuance to getting rumble feeling right with onscreen action.

[zinc dew]

Was able to beat a race; thank you!

[solemn marlin]

Are these patches possible to integrate into the core?

[languid dune]

Time to bust out my favorite (the only?) N64 snow mobile racing game!

[zinc dew]

Cores won’t ever patch games but the changes these patches bring can be learned from to improve the core.

Which is already the case. If you check the pins there’s a test core that is the result of learning from these patches.

[random portal]

RIDGE RACEEEEERRR 64

[zinc dew]

Yah game is cool. Wish the game wasn’t made on a shoestring budget.

But NST did a great job.

[languid dune]

What if my shoestrings are spun from gold?

[random portal]

I'm loving RR64.

Going to go back to the PS1 games after I finish it though lol

[solemn marlin]

I'm dumb, do I need the test core and the patches or is doable with just the patch? RR64 has some insane steering

[random portal]

for RR64 I'm using an Xbox One controller

[solemn marlin]

I never had many ps1 games so going back to the racing stuff makes most n64 racers seem quaint in comparison

Tho I'll still swear by the kart racers

[random portal]

RR64 does have some hand holding. I think WipEout 64 also has some hand holding.

[solemn marlin]

It kind of feels you're always nudged back on to the track which has a place (to some degree) in super fast racers like f-zero or wipeout

Feels a bit cheap in rr64 imo

[random portal]

in RR64? I don't notice that.

the only thing I notice is that traction is a little bit easier to handle

[solemn marlin]

I think it was rr64, might be thinking of something else, or remembering the mechanic incorrectly

[random portal]

I think WipEout 64 has some settings enabled to make it feel closer to F-Zero so it's more casual friendly.

[solemn marlin]

Haven't tried that one enough, I feel wipeout really looks the best on ps1, something about those crisp geometric designs are not benefitting from the VI stuff

[cerulean elk]

Awesome it works but what a stinker of a game

[solemn marlin]

Also there's a distressing lack of the prodigy and chemical brothers

[random portal]

I honestly don't mind that at all.

Just glad other consoles were able to enjoy WipEout.

[solemn marlin]

Yea for sure, I also think it's cool that there are different versions that are actually different in special ways

[random portal]

I'm coming off of the Cruise'n trilogy and wanted a proper follow up and came across RR64.

It's been very great so far.

I might do F-Zero but since I'm doing high score stuff with some people I don't want to overpractice.

[solemn marlin]

How about the arcade versions of cruise'n for the full experience? Are those different?

[random portal]

I've never played those on emulator. I did try Rave Racer through MAME, but I think I need to calibrate the analog controls because they don't feel like they scale to my controller.

[cerulean elk]

Not so much in content just in performance

Exotica and world have more fundamental visual improvements than OG USA

USA and World both run on V Unit hardware but Midway just could get more out of it by 96 for world

Exotica is Zeus II and that’s a fundamental upgrade over V

[stone cobalt]

the Nintendo 64 core support 31khz vga monitor on the analog IO board?

[cerulean elk]

And that’s a Zeus 1. Basically identical to 2

[random portal]

maybe throught doublescan

[stone cobalt]

i have forced_scandoubler=1 on the mister.ini and works on almost all cores

but not on n64

[zinc dew]

Which is the best N64 Cruis’n

[cerulean elk]

Cruis’n Arlen

[zinc dew]

Mmhmmm racing lawnmowers

[random portal]

Cruise'n Route 66 would have been awesome.

[random portal]

not all cores support scandoubler, unfortunately.

you might have to set a specific VGA modeline for those cores instead using VGA scaler.

[solemn marlin]

I just threw it out there, you never know what state a mame title is in, it might be highly playable. The 3d ones are usually sketchy tho

Or you might be like you're in mtv cribs, living large, cruis'n it up in the bedroom 😦

[stone cobalt]

the specific line for nintendo 64 on the ini is [N64]?

[random portal]

yeah in the MiSTer.ini, you set it under at the very bottom

[solemn marlin]

It's frustrating because I'd love to have a closer look but it just wont happen with mame, the world of arcade stuff is really something else

[cerulean elk]

I’ll have a vid in fall

But yeah this is why I love arcade boards. So different and unique hardware wise

Whole “GPU” of Zeus and Zeus II is an FPGA

Basically a GPU core

[solemn marlin]

Yea that's why you're the angry video game esoterica nerd, I assume you even have the board. Maybe ai will help in scanning and emulating circuit boards? Idk, there's too many of them for there to be a serious project for each one

The n64 core feels good to have for those ports so at least something will remain even if it isn't fully arcade accurate

[zinc dew]

@fair stump on the ++Gauntlet Legends** randomly crashing bug - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/19

How often does it crash? Is it likely to crash in the very first level?

[fair stump]

Sorry, I'm not sure. I copied that description from the sheets

[zinc dew]

Oh no problem, sorry to bother you then.

[fair stump]

No problem 👍

[zinc dew]

Did you know Kakariko village in Zelda means tasty poop in Spanish?

💩

[weak hill]

tasty poop village haha

[gilded whale]

I just played Naboo for like 40 minutes, got like four missions in. Great Value Star Fox

[thorn quiver]

Box McRhombus

[storm vessel]

So he's a beat boxer

[mortal panther]

He's just expressing himself aerodynamically.

[spare meadow]

Yes, thats the one I am using right now. The sound seems more clear for me, and I like it a lot.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve gotta do a vid on this Monday

[spare meadow]

@fair stump RE2 has a slowdown issue at the beginning of the game. Is it possible to add this issue on the github too? Thanks

[fair stump]

I did note that here, if it makes sense to break it out into a separate issue then I can https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/15

[jolly turret]

Awesome, thanks for letting me know. So far people like the HD filter, I'll be sure to submit that one as well.

[spare meadow]

My bad, sorry. Didn’t find it when I was looking for it. Thank you so much

[fair stump]

Not a problem at all, I just copied stuff over from the sheet and if it makes sense to edit the github issues to make it easier to find issues I'm always open to suggestions

My thinking was that people can search the issues by game and then dig into each item further

I'm certainly no github or QA pro

[fair stump]

Once your audio filters are released for all will we have to manually choose them in the osd?

[jolly turret]

Yes, you'll have to enable and choose the custom audio filter preset from within the osd menu. By default all cores use the built in anti-aliasing audio filter, unless you select a specific audio filter preset to be used.

[fair stump]

Is the non-hd filter more authentic to real hardware than what the core itself puts out?

[thorn quiver]

Wouldn't it make most sense to filter in the core since it is intended to improve the accuracy vs original hw behavior? Or is that more troublesome

[jolly turret]

Right now the core puts out a full range unfiltered output signal, which is not authentic to the real console unless it uses an HDMI mod. Unmodified, the console puts out audio and video through the av multi out, and through that signal path the audio gets filtered.

The regular or non-HD filter is closest to the console's av multi out, where as the HD version add a slight boost to the high frequencies for some added clarity, while mostly still staying faithful to the original filter. The difference is quite subtle but noticeable.

[jolly turret]

As far as I understand, If it's only a simple global filter it actually makes most sense to use it from within the audio filter presets menu, as it will not consume any additional processing resources this way.

[fair stump]

Cool to know 👍this is why I always trust the very smart people here that do the work

[wanton sun]

Yes, as long as the general mister filter system (with custom filters) are good enough, we should stick to them. Same format of filters for all cores, low ressource usage, easier for everyone to contribute compared to special HDL solution

[zenith maple]

When does gauntlet legends usually freeze? I’ve been playing for about 2 hours and I’m on the 5th stage of world 1.

[zinc dew]

Which core are you using?

[zenith maple]

The new test core v2

[zinc dew]

Nice me too. Played for about 30m and had no issues besides the missing VO.

[zenith maple]

I missed that, voice over?? lol

[zinc dew]

Yeah, the announcer says stuff as you play. Most noticeable at the beginning because the VO also covers tutorial messages.

[zenith maple]

Ah ok, I haven’t played the original in over 20 years. It’s definitely bringing back some memories

[wanton sun]

mostly level names and the initial tutorial. the quality of the voice is .... questionable, but still iconic 🙂

[zinc dew]

It’s great lol

So corny but perfect

[wanton sun]

unfortunatly something in the voice processing breaks when the game boots in the core. It works with a savestate from my emulator, but possibly will break later on again

gauntlet uses some special microcode for the audio. Maybe there is still a rsp bug or it's just timing again

[zinc dew]

Wow that’s wild that it even works from a save state

[wanton sun]

that's how i made this video 🙂

the worst part about debugging this: it breaks when the game boots, but you cannot check if it's broken until you go ingame into the first level

[zinc dew]

LOL that’s annoying

[wanton sun]

just checked: if you disable datacache and reload the game, the voices work, but the game runs horrible. But you can activate the datacache again when ingame (voices still work)

so this proves it's no bug in the logic, just timing again

maybe @hidden bolt can try the same magic from RE2 and SnowCross on Gauntlet 🙂

[zinc dew]

Awesome!

[lament escarp]

Really running out of games that crash on the core.

[zinc dew]

We’ll always have esoteric Japanese games to test lol

[lament escarp]

If they run without issues we at least won't have to pretend they're good.

[hidden bolt]

Looking at it quickly now, it looks like the data on the Gauntlet legends cart might be compressed which would make it a bit harder to make a patch for. But I might look at it later.

[hasty musk]

Why? What they did?

[sullen harbor]

Too many folks in thread, culling to save space

[raw oriole]

There's a (dumb) Discord limit of 1000 'active' posters to a thread, but no mechanism whereby a poster can be automatically dropped off that 1000 even if they haven't posted or read it in years. So, manually pushing people off the thread is the only way to let new people join and post in it. It's ridiculous.
Those zedders can just join again too so it's no actual issue for them.

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-meme-play-station-xbox-one-gif-12494687

[neat sierra]

That’s what Big Moderator wants you to believe, really they were trying to push for reforms and humane treatment of people already hobbled by their love of N64

[worn delta]

What is the deal with Mario no Photopie (Japan).z64 ? I am out so can't check, but it is listed as booting but has no smart card support. Does it get stuck on a screen saying it needs some smart card?

What even is this smart card as well?

[cerulean elk]

Robby is trying to create a Quest 64 echo chamber

[dreamy ridge]

the last time i was here you couldn't type the words "Quest 64" without dire consequences

[hot viper]

Hello! Wanted to say thanks for the incredible n64 core and also to ask if Robert could look at the transfer pak support again. i cant load any pokemon games with it in pokemon stadium 2, but it works for me on real hardware with the same pak

[chrome quest]

Transfer Pak support is in the core. Personal experience using the English ROMs of RBYGSC without issue. Only exception being GB Tower for Gen 2 games due to the lack of RTC in the core, mystery gift, and only one TPak at a time

[lament escarp]

It's wort mentioning that the save data between the n64tpak and gameboy core is automatically shared. So you don't need the gb tower at all. Just play your favorite gen2 game on the gb core, do some battles in stadium and enjoy the whole package.

[chrome quest]

For sure.
Also caveat to what I said. You can even get all those extra features too if you use SNAC.
Like Crystal in GB Tower for triple speed #n64-dev message
But yeah, you can get around that using the GB core too

[worn delta]

Via SNAC with actual carts Transfer Pak should be fully supported. Virtual Transfer Pak is limited to the mappers added, and I think off hand only one was that cover gen 1 Pokémon, MC5. There wasn't space to add the others in. You can see coverage and mapper support here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[chrome quest]

It is odd that despite that, virtual TPaks for the Gen 2 games do still work minus the RTC. Odd, but very handy!

[lament escarp]

Would a gen2 hack for gta time be fun where every minute is a second? That way you wouldn't be stuck to certain times of the day. 😅

[chrome quest]

How would that work? Is this entirely separate from. The N64 core do you mean?

[lament escarp]

Yeah just as a romhack. I remember wanting to catch certain pokemon only to have just missed the time when they're active and having to wait for the next day.

[chrome quest]

Might be fun. I will say I love the Gen 2 aspect of logging on different times to check in on little things.
You can always time cheat with an in-game menu too. Living in superspeed time would be a fun ride though!

[worn delta]

Pokémon games are weird with mappers, the same game released in different regions have different mappers

[lament escarp]

I'll always be a genwunner at heart thought ||the best part of gen2 is backporting the graphics and sprites to gen1||

[hidden bolt]

I tried the RE2 fix with Gauntlet but it didn't fix the voice unfortunately.

[zinc dew]

QUEST 64

[mortal panther]

4 QUEST 64

[gilded whale]

Yeah so can we get a patch for this, to make it a real non-Brian rpg?

[spare meadow]

Thank you for looking at it

[spare meadow]

About the slowdowns in RE2, I was reading meauxdal's N64 testing list and it’s point to Are’s Github issue with the same problem. Maybe it worth to break it into 2. https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/issues/705

[languid dune]

Finally tried out Polaris SnoCross for a bit today, and it's...not bad actually! I wouldn't say it's good, but it's not bad. Makes me happy that it's playable now not just for the sake of compatibililty, but also because it's fun.

[quasi storm]

Speaking of Playable, Gauntlet Legends is pretty good, too. What's the missing voices, though? I saw on a YouTube video the Valkyrie saying "I like food"... Is that it??

I can live without that, to be honest.

[languid dune]

But how will you know that she likes food!?

[quasi storm]

It's implied?

If she didn't like it she wouldn't eat, right?

[languid dune]

She could just be eating for survival!

[quasi storm]

I was just wondering if the game had an announcer or something, like 1 and 2 arcade.

Maybe the announcer is missing?

[languid dune]

Like who eats veggies because they like them?

[quasi storm]

That's a staple of Gauntlet, and I could understand missing that, but if it's just little snippets, I'll live.

[quasi storm]

Me?

[languid dune]

Impossible!

We choke them down because they're healthy!

[quasi storm]

I feel like my question is being dodged...😄

Like Neo in the Matrix!

[languid dune]

lol, In all seriousness, I have no idea about the missing audio.

[quasi storm]

I gathered.

At any rate, it's still a fun game, and the over locked core runs it at 60 a great portion of the time.

Lots of enemies for a 64 game.

[languid dune]

It definitely wouldn't be Gauntlet without a boatload of enemies.

[quasi storm]

That is why I was skeptical when first booting it up: How authentic a Gauntlet experience could the ol N64 really provide?

I was pleasantly surprised!

[languid dune]

The game is definitely shockingly good on the N64. I haven't played the PS1 version, but I've always heard it's not as good.

[quasi storm]

I've heard the Dreamcast version is actually not even as good as the 64. 64 is best!

Imagine that!

[languid dune]

I've never played the Dreamcast version, so that's pretty crazy if that's the case.

[quasi storm]

Yeah. I was looking up some videos about it, and if I remember correctly, the Dreamcast is missing content, either that, or the 64 has extra content... Or something

[magic girder]

I swear Polaris SnoCross has some rubber banding going on 😅

11/10 best game ever. Core now complete

[rich warren]

Game has cool snow particle effects. Feels like I'm playing Colony Wars, on a snow mobile

[cerulean elk]

The Wisconsin of games

It’s not bad but it’s not good

[languid dune]

Oh the rubber banding is beyond severe in the game.

[languid dune]

Kind of like Vermont cheese.

[cerulean elk]

Vermont cheese is beyond good. It’s the best

[languid dune]

Only if you've only ever eaten Vermont cheese.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve eaten your cheese. Too orange. You know you don’t have to dye your food right?

TLB sandwich

[languid dune]

Even New York cheese is better than Vermont cheese. Vermont cheese is like the Quest 64 of cheese. Meme cheese that only a Robby could love!

[cerulean elk]

Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

[languid dune]

I was more of a Tostitos kid. Chips and (Wisconsin) cheese for the win!

[zinc dew]

lol Vermont

Where hopes and dreams go to die

[cerulean elk]

No that’s your bedroom

[zinc dew]

lol

[stone pilot]

@zinc dew You know you can just ban this guy, right

[zinc dew]

He makes me laugh lol

[languid dune]

He makes me want to eat WI cheese.

[zinc dew]

Playing the PS1 turbo core with texture filtering and using an N64 controller makes it feel like I’m playing secret N64 ports

[cerulean elk]

We are best buds. I’m the Boomhauer to his Hank

[quasi storm]

Oh, btw. Found out Gauntlet Legends will freeze if left on attract mode for an extended period. So, don't do that...

Or at least, don't go and get some ice cream while your game is left on.

[solemn marlin]

There's a turbo core for ps1 as well? How does it stack up to the n64 one?

I kind of tried the reverse with megaman 64, turned off VI effects for some authentic ps1 gaming but it just wasn't the same..

Might need a removed z-buffering core 🧐

[languid dune]

Only game I've really tested with it is Road Rash (the 3DO port), and turbo works wonders on that game.

[solemn marlin]

Interesting, might have to do some tests but I honestly have trouble thinking of a game right now that really suffered from bad framerates in the way goldeneye did

Maybe speed punks, I felt that could've been a great little kart racer but on the n64 specifically because of the framerate, hopefully the turbo core does something there

The ps1 bond fps might be a good candidate but not sure it's the framerate being the trouble there, just weirdly choppy animation

[lament escarp]

Any ideas what else it could be?

[wanton sun]

thank you! that it works with datacache off suggests that it's somehow timing related. I assumed it's because the CPU(which is slowdowned without cache) is faster than the RSP in execution, so one additional wait there could help. But it seems it is something completly different.

[chilly ember]

Awbacon is the kind of guy who leaves the gun and takes the cannoli

https://youtu.be/yHzh0PvMWTI?si=M9_6HgOqpO3EhjWo

[kind solar]

Got a crash in conker after 17 hours on the latest pinned core

[quasi storm]

@hidden bolt my apologies. My report on Gauntlet was on the turbo core. Testing the pinned core now...

[quasi storm]

That's the unpatched rom? If so, hey! That's great progress!

[kind solar]

Yes and yes

[hidden bolt]

This will be a different kind of bug than the one fixed by the new core. Maybe timing related this time, but if I were to make a patch like for RE2, it would be nearly impossible to test a one in 17 hour bug. So I think the cause of a rare bug like this will probably remain a mystery. Thanks for testing!

[magic girder]

Maybe this is a crash that happens on original hardware

I have a feeling that Rare were having issues with the game crashing during development ||and that’s why it plays such a big part in the ending||

[quasi storm]

This is touching...

[quasi storm]

Anyone wanna let their console run for a bit?

[jolly turret]

Just wanting to say, I was recording soundlcips of the N64 console yesterday and used it back to back with the Mister. It's incredible how much better of an experience the Mister is, specifically in terms of the image quality. It even showed less slowdowns in the same spots compared to my PAL N64. I'm still being amazed by this device and the N64 core.

[hasty kayak]

The MiSTer in general is fanastic. What it allows us to play and the level of accuracy on some cores is insane!

[thorn quiver]

Does the n64 core work well on a 31kHz display?

[onyx minnow]

should do, works perfect on my 15khz arcade crt, 31khz displays generally do 15khz too

[neat sierra]

(scaled)

[thorn quiver]

Multisync screens do, but this does only 31kHz

[onyx minnow]

you probably need to turn on the vga scaler for it then, or just turn on the hq2x setting in the mister menu (although it'll be run through that hq2x scaler which you might not want)

[thorn quiver]

Seems like it was enough to disable direct video

Scandoubler seems enough

[mellow raft]

I have a feeling smart card support would have to be added in the core. I have a feeling it's not there.

It was a unique "Smart media" card slot in the cartridge. And the only game that used it.

[winged garden]

@wanton sun maybe not the best place to ask here but there is a way with actual GBA core to use e-reader ?

[wanton sun]

it's not implemented at all, sorry

[worn delta]

I wonder if there is a way to patch the game to work without the smart card check, so you can play the mini games and manipulate the inbuilt graphics, just not load your own. Sounds like there could be some fun stuff on there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_no_Photopi

This line is interesting:
"In 2017, a hobbyist modified the game to remove the severely limiting requirement of the now obsolete and deteriorated SmartMedia cards.[3]"

Wonder if that is a hacked/patched ROM or someone modified the actual cart

Looks like a ROM hack

https://www.vice.com/en/article/8x8bjv/this-forgotten-nintendo-64-game-is-one-part-photoshop-one-part-mario-paint

[quasi storm]

@hidden bolt @wanton sun Alright, so I left Gauntlet run in attract mode all night. I got up this morning, and it's still running fine!

[tulip pendant]

"Back in 1998, people could snap some photos with their brand new digital camera, pop the camera's memory card into the game cart, pepper their digital photos with some Mario-themed clip art, then take the card to a kiosk at the mall to have the photos printed out." Very creative

[hidden bolt]

Great! thanks for testing. Only the missing voice left then.

[quasi storm]

Any leads?

[hidden bolt]

No, I tried some delays at a couple of spots but it didn't work. But I might look at it again at some point.

[quasi storm]

ELI5, what's the theory here?

[hidden bolt]

#1096015979055697940 message

[inner isle]

Is the goal to get a new and turbo core to play all games without patches?

[quasi storm]

So, All one has to do is toggle the data cache? That's interesting.

It's nice to know a workaround exists, at least for now.

Though I gotta say, I don't feel like I'm missing much...😄

"I like food!"

"I like food!"

"I like food!"

There's some useful announcements, though, so I can see where it would be valuable, accuracy aside.

I believe Robert was against hacks, but if only the core could detect this one game, and do the data cache toggle itself.

[magic girder]

Just rugrats and mahjong left

(But no, you still need patches for some games: Jet Force Gemini, Polaris SnoCross, Resident Evil 2)

Conker is the only game that was patched but appears to no longer be required

[spare meadow]

I think Batman Beyond and Gauntlet are left too

[magic girder]

Batman Beyond works but the speed is off, I think. Gauntlet appears to work with the new core except for the voice issues - if I understood the above comments correctly

But the data cache toggle could be a reasonable workaround assuming it “sticks”

[quasi storm]

I hesitated to bring it up because I think it goes against Robert's design philosophy.

[magic girder]

I don’t necessarily mean changing the core or rom - just something that can be added to the GitHub issue as a workaround 🙂

[zinc dew]

Any negatives to turning off data cache?

[magic girder]

Very slow according to Robert

#1096015979055697940 message

[topaz otter]

smartmedia cards

I remember the first card reader I bought had support for smartmedia

I dont think I've ever actually even seen one

[magic girder]

That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time

[zinc dew]

Zip disk

[storm vessel]

iomega and the click click of death

[worn delta]

I loaded up Mario no Photopi and it does boot fine into the menu, but I couldn't navigate to anything playable. A lot is inaccessible presumably due to no smart card and my Japanese is non existent. Curious to see if this patches version works on the core and lets you do more. Has anyone investigated it via the Vice link above?

[topaz otter]

they should have called this Mario is Missing his Camera

[ripe cargo]

I tried the patched rom for Mario no Photopi. It works and you can go thru all the options but since you can't import a photo its pretty much useless.

[worn delta]

Nice one, thanks for checking.

[spare meadow]

Tried the pached version too. As you said, it is useless. Unfortunately the pached version is japanese only. I found an English translated version but everything is blocked

Tried to use the same save file for both patch, but when I changed for the translated version, got this error:

[worn delta]

That's disappointing, I would have thought you could have played the mini games and used inbuilt images and it didn't require your own images on a smart card

On the plus side, no issues in the core to running the game, it is all down to the smart card issue

[oblique nymph]

Has the n64 core been updated? I've been out of the loop

And where can I find patches for games that need it?

[lament escarp]

Pins

[oblique nymph]

I don't see pins when I click on n64

Just shows members

[lament escarp]

Discord hid them again.

#1096015979055697940 message

It's under settings for some reason

This is the test core

#1096015979055697940 message

Those are the patches

[oblique nymph]

Thanks, appreciate it

[lament escarp]

You're welcome

[worldly quartz]

It's in settings for some reason

[compact depot]

I discord of that

[neat sierra]

Haha discord actually had it pretty decent a couple years ago and every UX move since just seems random.

[thorn quiver]

That's usually a sign of the platform stagnating

[neat sierra]

“We have to do a release so we can say we shipped x releases in 2024. Fine, move that over there. Okay..”

[thorn quiver]

E.g. Twitter before Elon

Or uh Facebook since ...

[cerulean elk]

capturing Mario 64 fan games on MiSTer and some of the ones listed as "works on real hardware"...oof

[surreal sand]

We had some very cool stuff back in the day 🙂

[deft tree]

i ran into that problem too

could only find a handful that worked

[cerulean elk]

I found enough for a vid

[solemn marlin]

https://mario64hacks.fandom.com/wiki/Only_Up_64

It says here it is console compatible, is it really?? Because I'm not getting it to work very well on the mister

[cerulean elk]

didnt really work for me

and I managed to lose an SD card in the process lol...poofed out of existence

I swear I put it in the MiSTer. I remember doing it. But there is no SD in the slot. I opened the aluminum case and I couldn't find it. I am guessing it didnt seat properly and rocketed across my office 🤣

[solemn marlin]

Aw man, you don't get it to work at all on the console? Strangely enough I haven't lost an sd card yet

[cerulean elk]

yeah no clue where it went haha...no biggie. Was just a 32GB card

[solemn marlin]

That's a lot of copies of all your favorite 3do games, I've honestly lost more floppy disks

The small size makes me accutely aware of them, like little frail baby birds

[cerulean elk]

I am just mostly confused as to what happened haha

[broken cradle]

I believe it is simply because I k ow a streamer who uses real hardware with a flashcart played that game a while back

[solemn marlin]

I really wish it'd work, honestly it's such a perfect game to just have on in a free play situation

[broken cradle]

Nvm on real console part, video looks too crisp to be off a real n64

https://youtu.be/0Lod8rNriS8?

[solemn marlin]

Huh, it's weird that it even says excellent compatability tho

[broken cradle]

Also just noticed the mouse on his screen so yeah emulator for sure

[broken cradle]

Maybe it needs a beefy flash cart and expansion pak?

Idk tho because it is a very large stage I could see it being an issue on real console

[solemn marlin]

Wish I could test, I think that kaze guy also has methods of improving performance overall tho

[broken cradle]

I don't see it on smwcentral

Which is where almost all hacks are located

And those all work on real hardware

[solemn marlin]

Idk, kaze has a bunch of other rom hacks that work on the n64 so I think it's not impossible that this one works as well

[broken cradle]

I'd ask in the comment section see what someone says

I found this hack tho idk how good it is vs only up one

https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=6883

[magic girder]

Meanwhile PepsiMan is feeling pretty stuffed

[topaz otter]

my hands are sweating from watching him play this

i had to stop doing the levels with the secret stars in mario sunshine because I was having a nervous breakdown

https://youtu.be/_730thk-P9g

this crap gives me an existential crisis

[potent stream]

It is

[solemn marlin]

That's cool, I understand hacks aren't prioritized but it seems weird that something that works on og hardware doesn't work on the core

[solemn marlin]

Is it because kaze employs a bunch of weird performance hacks that hardly any other game uses? I understand the core in some ways recreates the n64 on a hardware level but another tool for validating functionality is to simply test games, right? And it'd be difficult to spot something weird if only one game uses that weird thing

[potent stream]

my understanding is that it was mostly optimization, https://youtu.be/t_rzYnXEQlE

https://www.sm64romhacks.com/hacks/60-FPS-Patch

would be interesting if that works

[inner isle]

Is that 60fps solid all through the game and does that work for Mister?

[vapid hawk]

he's never released it

it would need someone to go back and alter all the original levels to match his rewritten engine (mainly the skyboxes)

[solemn marlin]

Some optimized games work well on the mister and some don't, I'm not going to pretend to know why but I think he specifically talks about the hardware and how to utilize it more effectively with our current understanding of the relevant math

I think the solutions are more involved than less triangles and more backface culling, there must be some reason for why the core has trouble with the hack

[vapid hawk]

he's got like a dozen videos about it, even after that one explaining tons of details. it might be the most optimized code ever to run on n64, its probably very timing sensitive

[solemn marlin]

Yes it's quite something, I understood it as being improvements that only could've been made recently

[plush summit]

He spent A LOT of time going through the source code, not surprised that he's keeping for himself at the moment

[vapid hawk]

some of his stuff is published i think, which is where some of the mario64 romhacks come from with general performance improvements

[plush summit]

Im pretty sure the code he keeps showing off will be in the new hacks he's working on first

a pretty smart way to have people pay attention 😄

[solemn marlin]

@wanton sun sry to bother you again with a question about a rom hack. Would just like to know if it's more interesting if it also works on the original console but has issues in the core? See what I'm replying to, it says the only up rom hack has excellent compatability with original console

[snow mulch]

with blister for mister.
With the ps2 controller. using it with the n64 core.
The right joystick doesn't work. doesn't register. down seems to register in button layout. not up. Tried to configure it as the c buttons. Tried 2 different ps2 controllers with the blister ps2 adapter.
Was lazy to change it to the n64 adapter. that works ok. moves to the right

[mellow raft]

Are you using special llapi cores or normal cores? I know BliSTer is very particular with controller support tbh

[compact depot]

BliSTer is just a terrible choice anyways: LLAPI is pointless and its USB capabilities range from mediocre to bad since it’s software based (bitbanged)

People should just do themselves a favor and stay clear from it

[mellow raft]

I was trying to be nicer I guess

You can use normal cores on it, but yeah the LLAPI markets itself as low latency, when SNAC is already no latency, and the USB on the normal MiSTer is already such low latency not even speedrunners can notice lol

[compact depot]

Gotta be honest when talking about BliSTer

[mellow raft]

So investing in a BliSTer isn't a complete waste, per-say.. you can use it as a normal MiSTer, but if you bought it for its promised features, they're kind of a lie

Or rather, just based on assumptions that a normal MiSTer isn't ALREADY low-latency

[snow mulch]

all my stuff is wacked

[zinc dew]

Anything recent posted that needs a pin?

[fair stump]

Deez updates

OOOHHHHH

I'm in between some games right now, what n64 game should I play through?

[rich warren]

Rocket Robot on Wheels

[quasi storm]

This question.

[fair stump]

in all my time testing this core and library how have I never heard of this game? 😆

[quasi storm]

Bassmasters 2000. Dead serious.

[fair stump]

That's a crazy enough answer i just might do it

I'll try both out now

[quasi storm]

BM2k is just engaging enough to not be terrible.

[zinc dew]

Rocket Robot on Wheels is a fun platformer

[quasi storm]

Chameleon Twist was surprisingly good, too!

[hearty oar]

HSV/Beetle Adventure Racing

[solemn marlin]

Rocket robot on wheels is legit good, among with the other tertiary mascot platformers it's probably the best

Glover, chameleon twist, uhh

[quasi storm]

Bit of a subject change, but I never realized how many Midway published games there were before the MiSTer core...

[solemn marlin]

Tonic trouble, especially if you like rayman

[fair stump]

I noticed that as well. So many sports games

And I think most of them generally hold up well

[quasi storm]

Right? Even Mythologies Sub Zero has its moments. Or maybe I just have low standards.

[rich warren]

Was cool time to get a bunch of newer 3D Midway arcade games home too. Wayne Gretszky, Blitz, Cruisn, SF Rush, Hydro Thunder

in a decent state

[quasi storm]

Don't forget Gauntlet Legends.

[rich warren]

Please forget War Gods

[quasi storm]

Who?

[solemn marlin]

They're kind of ogs with pinball machines and old arcade classics, it was never quite my jam tbh

[quasi storm]

Am I the only one who wants to love Nightmare Creatures but just can't?

Don't get me wrong. I like it, I just wish I could LOVE it.

[solemn marlin]

I put that on just because of the name and was pleasantly surprised

Not love but maybe eventually, it's very moody, felt like arcade survival horror

[quasi storm]

Atmosphere is great. The graphics are good. The music sounds unlike typical N64. Even the combat can be engaging... Until you get stun locked.

[solemn marlin]

Lol I have no idea about the difficulty, didn't play enough to get a grip of all the moves but now that you mention it, I did get torn apart by some creature despite my mashing

I was too blindsided by finding a neat title at random before noticing the frustrating parts

[quasi storm]

Same here. Like, exact same 😄

It has one of my favorite bugs, though, but it only works with Nadia on level 1.

Press C-left to jump, then press A to do a midair attack. Hold the stick forward as you land to keep running. Nadia wads herself up into a ball with legs.

[fair stump]

Does the turbo core make that game slightly more playable?

[quasi storm]

Yeah. It runs fairly well, even hitting 60 occasionally.

There's a big monster party during the intro that brings the framerate down, but that may be a worst case situation.

You want a game that can't be touched by the turbo core?

Sarges Heroes 2.

Oh my sweet lord...

The beginning of the first freaking level...

[wanton sun]

not really currently as i will not spend time on it. If you think it's important, then you can add it to github, maybe one issue to collect all the non-working romhacks. But then, it should

• contain the hash of the end product that was tested, so it can be verified
• must be tested on hardware and not trust someone saying it works

We had this multiple times now, when things "should work on real hardware" but don't do

[mellow raft]

May I wreck it instead?

[mellow raft]

I guarantee you I've found plenty on smwcentral that do not work on real hardware. That's never a guarantee.

Bear in mind that the N64 core is still not a perfect 1 to 1 representation of N64 hardware. There are limitations and it's unable to reach a perfect state as far as we know because of the limitations of the de10-nano.

Kaze does test on real hardware so I can vouch for his claims as a hack developer. But there are a lot of things that do separate his tests from the MiSTer. Is he using an older Everdrive which may or may not have been 100% running everything native like it would if the rom was an actual cartridge?

Hack developers often do things outside the scope of what the original hardware intended. Using functions and tricks that no official game ever did. When you're replicating hardware in a core, these VERY EASILY could be overlooked as something you wouldn't expect any game to do. And you very well may have done something in the design that made the hardware more perfect than the original hardware, preventing the game from doing something that would otherwise be dangerous... But that dangerous thing actually helps a hack pull off a trick.

There's a lot that goes into making a core. It is impossible to expect every hack that works on a real console with a flashcart to work with an FPGA platform. It's been like this since the Analogue days. There is way more that can be different but you just won't see it with most of the official games since that is what the core devs test with.

@solemn marlin

[solemn marlin]

I understand, I'll let someone who can actually guarantee the functionality of the hack to add it, I can't do that since I have no everdrive and no console

[solemn marlin]

I appreciate the patience just explaining this lol, yea especially kaze is an edge case in the way he uses the hardware since a big thing with him is optimization, he's doing stuff no other n64 game is doing

[jolly turret]

Do we have anyone here with an HDMI modded console, capable of recording the sound output? I'm currently researching the audio output of the N64 console and need to understand how an HDMI modded console behaves with a specific aspect.

[topaz otter]

Midway bet the farm on nintendo

[orchid nimbus]

well never bet on 1 platform

aks Square-Enix?

[lament escarp]

Square enix is amazing and most of it's games are amazing! ||it's still 2002, right?||

[orchid nimbus]

running update_all for the 1st time in 6 months

can someone test this on real hardware and check if it sounds the same?

it sounds like it's playing twice

[atomic stratus]

was about to say I’d test it, but then I remembered I put my N64 away and setup my Gamecube and Dreamcast instead

[magic girder]

Aside from developers and Batman fans, who needs original hardware when you have the MiSTer core?

[drowsy lantern]

I would say that the various sound skips/pops in certain games is the only thing keeping me from shelving my real N64 for good at this point. Really hoping a fix can be made for this eventually. 🤞🏻

[atomic stratus]

exactly why I put mine away plus, I wanted to add DC and GC to the streaming repertoire

[zinc dew]

lol Batman fans?

[magic girder]

Just go to more heavy metal gigs and don’t wear ear protection

[magic girder]

Ah, I only set last day. My trolling failed

[lament escarp]

Not really.

I wonder when Robby started working on doom. Probably shortly after 2004.

[magic girder]

Safe bet

[lament escarp]

This is what really gets me though.

[magic girder]

That surprises me 😄

[lament escarp]

My guess would be they're not googling the game but the general concept tbh

[magic girder]

Maybe it has another meaning

(Nope)

But seriously, it would be cool if the pops could be eliminated, but I do recall someone mentioning that filters could reduce the effect a little. Probably @jolly turret

[magic girder]

Yep: #1096015979055697940 message

[lament escarp]

Are the pops on original hardware as well or just on the core?

[orchid nimbus]

"I'm Batman" 😄

[magic girder]

#1096015979055697940 message

The bit about RDRAM timing suggests it might be made worse by the DDR3 timing, I guess

[jolly turret]

Yes, a lot of the clicking sound energy, with the more minor clicking sounds, is located in the higher frequency ranges, which the filters that I developed are attenuating. So to some degree they are being masked as a result of using the filter.

[lament escarp]

This means the regular filter should be better at masking than the hd filter right? Since that one has a boost on higher frequencies.

[magic girder]

I love the filter (or rather, the idea of it). I have to admit that I can’t really hear the difference very clearly (crappy TV speakers and I’m not good at that stuff anyway) - but I appreciate the effort, and I’m always keen to experience things as accurately as possible

[jolly turret]

Interestingly some of the popping and clicking sounds happen in the real hardware as well. A good example of this is the Turok underwater music, which had noticeably audio dropouts, always happening in different audio channels and to varying amounts, even on the console. Therefore it's always best to compare to the real hardware to confirm whether an issue is affecting the core or not.

[jolly turret]

Yes. Although the difference should be slight.

[jolly turret]

The Nintendo 64's audio output filter is actually relatively subtle, something like the RF output on a NES I would assume is way more aggressive on the filtering, and would be much easier to notice in comparison.

[magic girder]

I play the guitar and really struggle with EQ-ing the amp. Unless it’s one extreme to the next, I’m just not good at hearing those kind of details. Probably too much listening to loud music 😅

Or just no aural attention to detail 😅

[jolly turret]

Loud music will definitely wreck your ears. I have some hearing damage in one of my ears, but fortunately it's very slight. I always keep ear plugs on me wherever I go, so I always to try protect my hearing well.

I also did lots of ear training when I started studying audio engineering, I definitely think it helped even though I don't really do it much anymore.

[magic girder]

I tried for a while but find it so frustrating 😄

[jolly turret]

Yes, it's not a lot of fun at all haha.

[magic girder]

Definitely a useful skill though

[lament escarp]

I ruined my hearing with loud music but it's necessary for my emotional balance.

[thorn quiver]

I'm literally at a football match.

Rip my drums

[lament escarp]

They probably will.

[thorn quiver]

Another notch in my response curve ✅

[orchid nimbus]

thanks it just sounds like absolute @$$ overall 🙂

[latent dagger]

Doesn't sound doubled though

[mellow raft]

Not sure it's the best feed, sorry... lol

I use an UltraHDMI N64

I can try to rerecord after double checking things. My Splitter may be doing something stupid with the signal

[zinc dew]

The UI is cool

[thorn quiver]

Yeah it's Nintendo-y

[vapid hawk]

doesn't the audio come out of modded n64s like, not at 48khz

i seem to remember this being a thing some capture cards/receivers wouldn't play it back right

[mellow raft]

Highly possible. It doesn't sound like that from my receiver I think .... but hard to tell

[weary beacon]

Getting back into MiSTer after a long time hopefully soon - is there any down side to using the turbo core over the regular core outside of more accurate slowdowns if that's your thing?

[wanton sun]

risk of random crashes due to fpga timing being way out of spec. Depends on the "quality" of your de10-nano or better: luck. If you don't experience these and you have more fun with it, feel free

[topaz otter]

what good does having the gameshark rom do on an everdrive

[mellow raft]

absoutely nothing xD

Also it's not an Everdrive

lol

[inner isle]

I'm a bit out of sync with n64 cores. Is there a new one or is it just a test core at this stage?

[solemn marlin]

Let me put on some music baby pulls out the n64 demo scene cartridge

[iron dove]

A couple of new test cores from Ruleset, V2 is the latest and in the pins 🙂

Detail of the update: #1096015979055697940 message

[hidden bolt]

Here is a patch for Gauntlet Legends, this fixes the missing voice. This patch replaces Cache command 0x19 with 0x01 in a Cache writeback function. I discussed the problem with FPGAZumSpass but we are not sure whether this is fixable in the core yet, so in the meantime you can use this patch.

[zinc dew]

Yeah awesome, thank you!!

Are you still updating your forum post with latest patches?

[hidden bolt]

Yes, just updated

[zinc dew]

Sweet! I have a link to that pinned.

[inner isle]

@hidden bolt are you a mister developer?

[hidden bolt]

I dunno, I have done some mister related dev stuff yes.

[drowsy lantern]

Those you hear in Rare games (JFG, Perfect Dark, Conker) are definitely not on real hardware. Sadly I’m not equipped to record and provide comparisons.

[inner isle]

Are you interested patching roms for other systems other than N64?

[hidden bolt]

No not really, sorry.

[inner isle]

I wasn't asking lol

Just curious

[rich warren]

Patch working good here after a quick test - thanks Ruleset! I forgot Zordon was in the game - definitely an essential patch

[mellow raft]

Woo!

Alleyoop!

[fair stump]

Is that Reyn? 😆

[lament escarp]

Oh it's that time already?!

[gilded whale]

This patch just addresses the voice bug? Was there still freezing? I’m kind of confused about the state of this game in the core honestly. Heard conflicting things.

In any case this is awesome, thank you!

[magic girder]

I think the test core fixes the crashes, and the patch addresses the voice issue

[orchid nimbus]

Shulk Shulk Shulk Shulk Shulk Shulk !!!! I'm really feeling it!!!

[hidden bolt]

We managed to find another bug in the core. This was the cache bug that fixed the voice in Gauntlet legends. The core was using too many bits to do a data cache tag compare. This could potentially also fix other bugs but there aren't too many bugs left at this point 🙂 . FPGAZumSpass made a build that should fix it. Hopefully there are no regressions.

[waxen bear]

So with this core the Gauntlet patch isn't needed?

[hidden bolt]

yes, although you will still need it for the turbo core until we get a new one.

[vapid hawk]

amazing

@zinc dew can we get a developer badge for ruleset?

[silent marten]

He deserves it

[jolly turret]

Will you make a PAL Gauntlet patch as well? Is there any downside to using a patched version with the newest core?

[hidden bolt]

oh, I forgot about that, sure I'll make a patch. no downsides that i know but if you find a bug it would be better to find it in the regular rom.

[cerulean elk]

damn it making me go back into tomorrows video and add details!

[vast delta]

so now there's only batman and that mahjong game showing issues?

[thorn quiver]

Wait, THAT batman game?

[zinc dew]

Done!

@hidden bolt enjoy your new role

[cerulean elk]

can we get a custom role for @languid dune ? "Wisconsinite"

so people know to avoid him

[gilded whale]

Does this new core retain the changes that fix naboo and conker?

[compact depot]

Yes

[cerulean elk]

had to chop up tomorrow AMs vid and tell people bout Gauntlet

but its feeling so close to "100%" now

[languid dune]

The story of my life...

[magic girder]

Might be worth reposting the build to #test-builds for more visibility 🙂

[zinc dew]

Good thinking, on it

[magic girder]

Better fire up my laptop and transfer the new build over. Wonder if it fixes any of the other games with odd issues, e.g. Iggy’s NTSC version, or RE2 etc

[vapid hawk]

worth testing i guess you never know

[magic girder]

I can’t remember if that was a TLB game or not

[vapid hawk]

(there is a patch for re2 now just incase you missed it)

[magic girder]

(I know, but thanks :))

Thinking maybe the day will come where we won’t need patches

Or PAL versions!

[zinc dew]

Ok posted

[vapid hawk]

the remaining stuff might all be genuine timing issues

[zinc dew]

Thanks for the fantastic suggestions

[vapid hawk]

though so far very little has turned out to actually be timing issues so i guess who knows 😄

[magic girder]

You’re not a core developer 😒

Ban him, Ruleset!

[gilded whale]

Beyond Batman Beyond (ha) and the Wonder Project J2 shop glitch (which turbo solves) I can’t even think of anything else that would even be applicable for a patch at this point.

[magic girder]

Robert with the new builds: https://youtu.be/UPw-3e_pzqU

[magic girder]

Rugrats and Mahjong 😅

So not worth the effort, from what I’ve read

[thorn quiver]

I was thinking of Superman 64 but that isn't a batman game

Bury me now

[magic girder]

Oh, yeah. Superman 64 still works. That’s gotta be a bug!

I unironically tried it for the first time several months back, thinking the critique was just “gamers being gamers”. It’s so bad 😂

[zinc dew]

its worse the further you get in lol

[spare meadow]

I would add to the list: Sound pops problem, RE 2 and KI Gold slowdown issues and RE 2 texture issue

[cerulean elk]

Vid in the morning. Back on the N64 grind haha

[gilded whale]

I’ve actually gotten so good at the rings I can do it by reflex as a sick party trick. It’s the free roaming sections that are really terrible

[eternal ravine]

Even the QA was demoralized and stopped testing

Trying to imagine what it must be like to ship a game you know is pure feces

[gilded whale]

Delve into the mind of Titus the Fox and weep

[magic girder]

I know a guy we could ask about that…

[eternal ravine]

A game with a famous license that is pure feces

But I suppose there are endless examples, though maybe a bit more humble

[magic girder]

There used to be a time when tie in games were good

[eternal ravine]

Than N64 Man of Feces

[gilded whale]

To be honest Batman Beyond on the 64 isn’t much better, just a tad more conventional

[magic girder]

They’ve certainly gone all over the place in terms of quality

[eternal ravine]

Yeah Batman has a dicey history with games, maybe half poo and half good

I feel like the old Taito arcade Superman might be the best Superman game?
At least it's honest

[gilded whale]

Outside of Arkham the good ones are probably Batman nes, Batman return of joker nes, Batman returns snes, Batman animated snes and genesis….?

That might be almost it

[eternal ravine]

Driving segments from SEGA CD BR

heh

[gilded whale]

I liked Batman on pc engine actually. Played through that whole thing recently

Batman on gameboy is good where he just has a bat handgun

I like the cutscenes in Batman sega cd, the lost episode of btas

[eternal ravine]

It's interesting
I still find the old Speccy game to be endearing

[gilded whale]

That Batman sprite is pretty adorable ngl

[thorn quiver]

Marvel Sims

[weak hill]

ki gold slowdowns, oh man i was hoping to play that game flawelessly

[zinc dew]

As a reminder, if you run into any bugs or issues please check the GitHub to see if those bugs are reported. If not then please contribute!

Issues List: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues

[worn delta]

Fantastic to see more issues fixed in the core, great work Ruleset 🙂

[zenith maple]

I have to sign up for a GitHub account. Knife Edge still runs at super speed. I didn’t find this but I don’t see it under issues.

[fiery hamlet]

@wanton sun just out of curiosity for the MM telescope transition bug, would it help to have an Owl save prepped to just run over and view the telescope to troubleshoot with the software renderer? I'm pretty sure the decompilation project has that code available for reference as well.

I'm fairly certain it's this one https://github.com/zeldaret/mm/blob/main/src/code/z_fbdemo_circle.c

[worn delta]

That would be helpful for doing regression testing when it is fixed if nothing else if you have a save file that could be uploaded

[fair stump]

That's here https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/13

[zenith maple]

Got it, thanks bro. I guess reading is fundamental lol

[paper crescent]

"Bat-Man" for the PC Engine you mean. 😉 Some of the early Batman comics actually called him that.

[gilded whale]

No, I mean Batman

[waxen bear]

Just so I'm clear, with the new core from today the only games which require patches are RE2 and Snowcross. Is that correct?

[gilded whale]

And jet force Gemini

[waxen bear]

Gotcha. Thank you

[weak hill]

i have just checked the killer instinct slow down bug on github, interesting

but if its a timing issue i assume it wont be fixed

[gilded whale]

How severe is that slowdown? I’ve never played it

[storm vessel]

In the issue page, it says the core was from 20240207, does it happen on the latest core?

[spare meadow]

Its a minor bug. RE 2 slowdown is way worse

[fair stump]

I had to see a video comparison to understand the KI slowdown

It was not easy for me to see as someone unfamiliar with the game

[weak hill]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/31

theres a video

@fair stump

[fair stump]

I understand, I opened that ticket 😆

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64 seems to be back

[wanton sun]

the duration of the bug is very short and the way to it very long. I currently don't feel like spending a lot of time for this given how minor it is, sorry. Nontheless, having a save would increase the chance a lot that it will get research by me or someone else in future for sure

[worn delta]

It has been a few years since I played MM; can someone who can get to the telescope with a save/owl confirm how quickly you can get there from a load? I thought it was 10-20 seconds but I may be very wrong there

[rose elbow]

i know theres that deku plant outside the gate. if you had a save with human link available would be fastest i think

[wanton sun]

i thought it would be from center of town. If it's only 10 seconds, that would be great

(keep in mind that i have to move there in my emulator at 20% speed. not only takes it ages, it also is awful to control)

[rose elbow]

i think centre of town is correct, probably little longer than 10 seconds

[wanton sun]

center of town means you have to go through the underground passage, shoot the ballon, hop the water, ... i would assume that to be 10 minutes for me at 20% speed due to many failed attempts

[rose elbow]

with human link, you can talk to the guard and exit clock town. i imagine you could do an Owl Save having already ticked off the guard dialogue and freely exit clock town. walk from Clock town to the Observatory via field, and use the Deku Plant to jump over the gate

longer than 10 seconds , but i think thats fastest way to get there ? :P

[wanton sun]

yes, maybe possible in some minutes

i never jumped over the gate, didn't even know it was possible, would need to see how difficult that is

[rose elbow]

from memory it's there specifically for this purpose of skipping the tunnel. was never really sure why it was there tbh

but the nature majoras mask always resetting, i think youll get the same animation at observatory even if you've unlocked human link. would need to double check

[fiery hamlet]

I can't get a save file tonight, but if I can convert one from an emulator save I can send one faster

[lament escarp]

@hollow rune don't you have a majoras mask savefile for mister thats rather far along? Could you pls share it for testing?

[vapid hawk]

its not possible to use the decomp to just slap an owl savepoint right next to the telescope is it?

[daring meteor]

Where's the N64 source branch?

For the new update?

[hidden bolt]

I think FPGAZumSpass will update the main repository if no regressions are found

[magic girder]

The gold colour suits you, @hidden bolt 😎

[drowsy lantern]

Keep in mind the slowdown doesn’t just happen at the character select screen. It can also be felt during gameplay as the game sometimes stutters, especially during the last fight against Gargos, for some reason. The framerate gets wildly choppy.

[spare meadow]

Maybe this bug is the same that’s causing RE2 slowdown too

[wanton sun]

the build that is currently in testbuilds is the release candidate already. If no bugs are found in the next days, it will be promoted

Would be glad for anyone who could test some more one of the following games: Goldeneye, Conker, Naboo, Gauntlet, Paper Mario(Bird fight)

[orchid nimbus]

I had to come out of retirement to update the N64 page

will do that soon

[lament escarp]

I didn't even recognize you at first. Hope you're doing well.

[orchid nimbus]

^_^ changed my nick a bit 😉

fits me better

[spare meadow]

What kind of bug should I look into Paper Mario? Anyone has a save file?

[orchid nimbus]

it's a bird fight - it's around 4 hours in I believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7M_sSDwUaU&t=1s

this one right?

[wanton sun]

i can't remember. It was a bug in some old version where the "bird fight" would crash. It's not super important, but if someone wants to play paper mario anyway....

basically i'm a bit worried about anything in the tlb stuff that was an issue before and got fixed at some point 🙂

[zinc dew]

Thanks for posting that. I added it to the Test Builds post so anyone who's grabbing it outside this channel knows what to look for.

As a reminder, if you run into any bugs or issues please check the GitHub to see if those bugs are reported. If not then please contribute!

Issues List: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues

[spare meadow]

Thanks! If anyone has a save file near this fight to share it would be great

[formal elk]

Testing Naboo, first two levels completed with no freezing at the end of each mission. Not sure if their was more specific spots it froze.

[lean spruce]

which games that needed patches dont need it with test core? Can this info be pinned until the core gets merged into main rep?

[magic girder]

Conker did need a patch but shouldn’t any longer. I think that’s it. The other patches are still necessary

Conker patch is the OG that kicked off the new wave of development 😎

[formal elk]

Went all the way to level 5 of Naboo, no freezing or issues.

[lean spruce]

Isnt also Star wars battle for naboo that dont need patch but need the test core?

[magic girder]

There's never been a Naboo patch

🙂

[lean spruce]

but if people try with normal update all core it wont work, so thats why i think its good to have this info in the pinned comments

[magic girder]

I was wrong though - Conker no longer needs a patch, nor does Gauntlet. I forgot about Gauntlet because the patch and the core came so closely together. My bad.

For maximum compatibility

Use the most recent stable (non-turbo) core (2024-08-18) and patch:

• Batman Beyond
• Blues Brothers 2000
• Jet Force Gemini
• Knife Edge
• Nintama Rantarou Game Gallery 64
• Polaris SnoCross
• Resident Evil 2
• Rugrats in Paris
  using Ruleset's patches.

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For a more detailed summary of the recent developments:

• Conker's Bad Fur Day had a patch to prevent crashes, but this is no longer required on the most recent core (2024-08-18). It's still needed on the turbo core until that is updated.
• Gauntlet Legends had a patch (to fix the voices) which is no longer required with the latest regular (stable) core. The patched version will still crash on the turbo core because the crash fix has not yet made its way into the turbo core (it was a core fix rather than fixed via patch), but it will have voices.
• Star Wars Episode I: Battle for Naboo only works on the most recent stable core (no crashes). It will still crash on the turbo core.
• Resident Evil 2, Polaris SnoCross, Jet Force Gemini, Nintama Rantarou Game Gallery 64 and Rugrats in Paris all need patches to prevent crashing on any core (regular and turbo).
• Batman Beyond, Blues Brothers 2000, and Knife Edge need patches to run at correct speed (both regular and turbo cores).

[lean spruce]

you beat me to it 🙂

[magic girder]

Did I miss anything? 😄

[lean spruce]

@zinc dew can you pin the comment by arnrh?

[magic girder]

To get max compatibility: use the test core and patch: RE2, Polaris SnoCross and JFG. 🙂

[jolly turret]

I updated my audio filter presets, the earlier ones were not working correctly. Please use these instead as they are confirmed to work correctly and will be much easier to notice when enabled.

To install, simply copy the included files into Core Specific Folder within the Filters_Audio folder on your SD card and select the custom filters from within the N64 OSD menu. Delete or overwrite any existing filters of the same name.

[zinc dew]

Good call out, thanks!

[zinc dew]

Thank you for your hard work! Pinned it.

[lean spruce]

will they be added to update_all script for download?

[jolly turret]

I'm currently preparing for a trip and will be away for a few days. As soon as I come back next week, I will submit the filters to be included with update_all and also post all relevant information including frequency graphs, MDFourier measurements and sound comparison clips to the Mister forum.

[atomic stratus]

so, if I run the patched rom for, say, Conker on the current test core, could it affect anything with the game? Just wondering if I might just need to make a separate folder with some patched roms for the turbo core

[formal elk]

First two levels of Goldeneye completed on the test core, no issues.

[dusty tusk]

I personally have folders for romhscks and patches to reduce clutter with official roms.

[atomic stratus]

yeah that’s honestly a better way to go

[dusty tusk]

Takes two seconds, saves potentially minutes over time

[atomic stratus]

I do have a folder for romhacks

[dusty tusk]

I'd consider these romhacks

[atomic stratus]

l guess I wouldn’t because it doesn’t change anything about the game and just makes them work 😅

I just made a “patched” folder

[cold pollen]

So where are we at on crash fixes, have they been put into the latest experimental build?

[kind solar]

thanks so much for this. really completes the package of mister imo

[jolly turret]

It's definitely a lot of fun having such high quality image output combined with correct sounding audio reproduction.

[atomic stratus]

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[cold pollen]

Thank you!

[eternal ravine]

Did you encounter the many audio clicks when using the core?

[jolly turret]

Yes, I have made some discoveries about the clicking issue and reported these to FPGAzumSpass. Maybe it helps to narrow down the issue.

[eternal ravine]

Nice, thanks

[waxen bear]

What's different between the HD and non-HD filter?

[jolly turret]

The non-hd filter is closest to the N64 console, the hd filter has a slight boost leading up to the filter, which I only suggest to use with very dark or muddy sounding N64 games, to help get slightly better clarity.

I'm attaching some frequency response graphs, showing the differences between the console in green and the filters in pink.

[waxen bear]

Excellent thank you

[hasty musk]

Are there any downsides when rom is allready patched like jfg and using new test core?

[vagrant ivy]

JFG has to be patched anyway

it doeesnt work unpatched

[hasty musk]

And other games of the listed?

[vagrant ivy]

Conker doesnt need a pacth anymore

I dont really follow the patched games only Conker is of any interest

[hasty musk]

Hmm i mean ok conker doesnt need it anymore, but is already patched for me. So is there a downside, thats what i need to know

[vagrant ivy]

probably not

it just messed with the memory allocation

[rich warren]

I think ruleset said you would only notice a hitch or stutter with the patched rom, which may be impossible given the frame rate in Conker

[worn delta]

This sort of info about what needs patches etc. should really all be added to the N64 readme on the GitHub

[hidden bolt]

I will update the n64 patches forum thread with the relevant information when the new core is released

[inner isle]

So will RE2 eventually work without a patch?

[placid quiver]

So the test core fixed the Gauntlet crash and then the patch is for the voice issue?

[orchid nimbus]

I anyone still keeping taps on this webpage? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

owhi @worn delta

[mellow raft]

Most of the time these only get heat while the core is actively in development

[worn delta]

If anyone testing wants to update it as they test then there is no harm in keeping it up to date

[mellow raft]

Since the core has officially been stated as "on hold" because of the limitations on the de10, then most people kind of left it alone since it wouldn't be sent anywhere.... after that devs generally rely on Github issue reports

I think it's commonplace for the testing sheets to be neglected after the core becomes stable.

Still, yeah... it's totally up for anyone to submit changes to if they want to request that ability

Just know that Robert probably doesn't look at it anymore, so it'd mostly be for the general user's use

(Also tbh it's probably heavily out of date with all the Playable games that may have since been fixed

[orchid nimbus]

@weary perch https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?gid=0#gid=0 you still updating yours? 🙂

@weary perch's spreadsheet was a great help towards the end - but with the updates in place would be nice to have an updated overview

I bet that this is outdated already

JFG still gives that stupid error - no surprises there

[mellow raft]

not if you use the patched rom: https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078

[orchid nimbus]

I could add the patch to the website

[mellow raft]

website?

I personally would link to ruleset's page since lately he's found more ways to improve the patches

[orchid nimbus]

https://mister.vampier.net/N64/

ok gimme rulesets webpage please

[worn delta]

Any reason the patches couldn't be added to the GitHub page? There aren't copyright concerns with patches are there?

[mellow raft]

I just linked it to you 5 minutes ago lol

[mellow raft]

... I didn't realize you were vampier....

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/creep-creepin-hide-gif-9240167

^_^ I'm undercover

[mellow raft]

nevermind if you mean that website, then by all means... but I'd make sure it's ok with @hidden bolt to share it on the site first... since they did make them.

[orchid nimbus]

I just link to the forum

the error decoder still comes in handy

[mellow raft]

sorry for being snappy.... been dealing with IT stuff all day lol

[orchid nimbus]

no appologies needed

I'm in the same boat as you

but on a different level

[little socket]

who are you hiding from?

[orchid nimbus]

I forget

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/sylvester-stallone-spy-kids-pointing-finger-pointing-with-finger-gif-3020608210421362633

You can't hide from me

[weary perch]

yeah i've been updating mine as time permits

[orchid nimbus]

I had to spell it out for you 🙂

thanks @weary perch 🙂

[weary perch]

it's looking good lately with all these recent fixes

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[weary perch]

thanks ruleset and fpgazumspass ❤️

once the new test core is officially released i'll remove the entries for games that should be fixed now

[orchid nimbus]

I don't have a lot of times these days to get things tested or even play games

got a new job which keeps mee 100x more busy than my previous job

I now work all 480 minutes instead of just 5 minutes a day 😄

[ivory laurel]

100x pay too?

[orchid nimbus]

nope