Nintendo 64

[mellow raft]

#1046941029296779344 message you tell me?

[glass walrus]

The patch is a good workaround and may lead to the fix... will be interesting if the same technique works on the other problem games

[zinc dew]

Yes

👀

[mellow raft]

Dang it Robby leave the poor boy alone

[turbid warren]

code violation: having fun

[zinc dew]

Ok 😳

Sorry @jovial dagger lol

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-hearts-ok-i-believe-you-gif-13519426

[spare meadow]

No, it isn’t. Its has aleatory crash with both Leon and Claire campaign even with the turbo core

[storm vessel]

Well, some people are very eager to get that uncensored squirrel on squirrel action so, our friendly neighborhood turtle is here to protect us from them sortsa shenanigans.

[wanton sun]

sorry, i don't understand it. A short, additional wait will make the game consistently crash/hang at boot? But you still made it wait for the DMA to finish?

but in any case, if a constant wait is not the solution, then it seems it's not timing related, but rather some real bug

[hidden bolt]

yes instead of waiting for the PI DMA to finish I tried a constant wait time of varying lengths, too short a wait will crash because the PI DMA doesn't have time to finish, longer constant wait times don't make the game more stable than just waiting for the PI DMA to finish.

[wanton sun]

great, understand it now, thanks a lot!

[lament escarp]

So is the ddr3 random lag causing the crashes theory now disproven?

[hidden bolt]

there are still many parts of the game that use the ddr3 but at least for the tlb refill PI DMA it doesn't seem like the cause

[lament escarp]

Would it be possible/beneficial for now to make these patches for the prototype since it has a crash handler? Or are the crash reports from that too cryptic and not helpful?

[hidden bolt]

the crash reports haven't really been that helpful for me at least

[lament escarp]

Thank you for clarifying and for your effort. It's really appreciated.

[compact depot]

Anyone was able to finish the v2 patched game with zero crashes already?

[mossy needle]

I'm finally starting my V2 run to see if it crashes in the same spot

[quasi storm]

@mossy needle I look forward to your report. I just got a freeze after playing all the way up to the beginning of the poo level in the story. My buddy and I had been playing a bunch of multiplayer before that. This was with V1 of the patch, though...

[quasi storm]

Nevermind... I guess that's not very useful 😄. I haven't had a freeze with V2 yet.

[blazing knot]

I did the entire Bat’s Tower and Sloprano chapters last night on the V2 patch with zero issues. Not continuously, but played for about 2 1-hour chunks and no issues during either

[mossy needle]

Got up to where it froze in V1 for me and V2 no freezing so far

I'm going to see if the cogs freeze

That was a problem before the patch

I'm going to see if I can get through the demon balls boss before going to bed

[mossy needle]

I had 2 hours and 23 minutes of straight play on V2, made it up to Dino land zero crashes

[hidden bolt]

Thanks for testing!

[magic girder]

Just did a few more hours, did the bats tower, cogs, boiler room with no crashes also

Seems like V2 is pretty much perfect

[lament escarp]

Dang we really need to crash v2 somehow, else conker will be conquered.

[magic girder]

Time for us to start complaining about the one of the remaining games that doesn’t work 😂

With Conker working, the core is now 100% for me 😎

[lament escarp]

I guess resident evil 2 the best game that still crashes objectively speaking, but you can also simply play the psx version. Naboo and jfg are head to head...

[magic girder]

Yeah, but I don’t get why anyone would play RE2 on the N64 over the PSX anyway

[lament escarp]

People not taking the 5 minutes to get into tank controls.

[magic girder]

I’ve only ever played the first 3 with tank controls so I don’t know any other way

[lament escarp]

They are so great.

[cerulean elk]

I stayed up late. Finished Conker on v2. No freezes for me

[compact depot]

Conker is finally conkered!

[quasi storm]

Same reason someone might play X-Men Children of the Atom on PSX or Saturn over arcade: Because they can 😄

[compact depot]

You did have issues with retail on OG hw right?

[cerulean elk]

No I hadn’t crashed it yes but I didn’t finish since a diff patch was out

[neat sierra]

Sometimes it’s fun to compare how games were ported even if they are a much worse experience. You know for 10mins before you get bored which is totally worth someone spending all their free time 😬

[quasi storm]

This is... Startlingly accurate.

[lament escarp]

So are there ANY reported cases of conker v2 crashing?

[cerulean elk]

not as of yet

not here at least

go ask the guy on reddit @quasi storm 🤣

[quasi storm]

Oh yeah, I bet he would LOVE to hear from me again...

[cerulean elk]

🤣 best friends now

[zinc dew]

Where can I report @cerulean elk crashes? We need him fixed.

[cerulean elk]

Please report all Awbacon crashes to 1-800-PiS-UCKS

[rich grail]

Anybody else getting audio pops in conker? Its the only n64 game thats popping for me.

[cerulean elk]

Yes. Thats been documented

[lament escarp]

Is that also on real hardware?

[blazing knot]

That’s what I wanna know too

I never actually had the game on real hardware back in the day

And I don’t remember it happening on software emulation

[wispy peak]

I don't recall audio pops on real hardware

[blazing knot]

I took a video of what it’s like for me. #1096015979055697940 message very random and supposedly it’s louder for me than others who have mentioned hearing it. It might just be my sound system or the RT4K amplifying it

[dreamy ridge]

Wait is development still ongoing? Conker works now?

[blazing knot]

Ruleset made a patch that allows the game to use the additional memory from the expansion pack, and that seems to have worked around the memory allocation problems that was crashing the game previously

[turbid warren]

it's less that "development is still ongoing" and more "people from the community are making patches for games"

[frail jolt]

wait!??? --- fur reellllz?

it just made it a memory expansion pak game???

like legit how the patch works?

[magic girder]

Up to the zombie stage on Conker with zero crashes. Original core and v2 patch 😎

[blazing knot]

And yeah works with the retail rom on the stock core

[turbid warren]

i only tried vanilla retail Conker on the turbo core and crashed after grabbing the beehive. applying the v2 patch and playing on the standard core let me get past where i crashed. awesome

[magic girder]

v2 patch seems perfect

[foggy cape]

I have real hardware playing right now. No audio pops at all

I've played the game so much I was pretty sure there were none, but I just had to check now to make sure

[frail jolt]

genius... @hidden bolt , amazing work --- this is a game that used to crash on my everdrive because of TLB, so i was hoping the MiSTer core would allow me to finally play it.. and it seems that with this patch, my dream will FINALLY come true... (i have very small lame dreams)

[blazing knot]

Hmm. How has everyone been playing it who has gotten the popping? I’ve been doing direct video into a RT4K, but I’m thinking this might be a core/conker thing rather than an av output thing bc I don’t get popping on any other n64 game

[foggy cape]

I just have mister directly HDMI to my tv

I get pops but way less loudly than yours

[magic girder]

I haven’t noticed any pops but I’ve not been listening out for them. HDMI direct into TV

[turbid warren]

same, HDMI into monitor and haven't noticed any pops

[vagrant ivy]

HDMI to Oled no pops

[cerulean elk]

Pops will be louder depending on your hardware outside of the TV and MiSTer. Its basically interpriting a "sudden signal" louder. Its louder on my Tink 4K than MiSTer to capture card and inaudible on my MiSTer to TV. So dont be surprised if you get a louder or quieter signal peak (pop) when playing

[foggy cape]

Makes sense. Luckily for me, I only notice it on conker and not at all on any other game

Did anyone else here spend hours with friends playing conker multiplayer mode? I still think it's one of the best multiplayers out there. AI on Einstein 💀

I need to find irl gamer friends again 🤣

[compact depot]

Are sound pops happening on the vanilla core, turbo core or both?

[foggy cape]

Turbo for me. I haven't tried normal

[lament escarp]

I feel like sound pops are so much more enjoyable than crashes. I had repeating popping sounds when testing the prototype via rt4k. When I'm back from my mental health walk I'll try some conker and see if I can get the popping.

[foggy cape]

Yes I don't mind them at all if it means the game is 100% playable

Ok I just tried normal core. No pops

So only the turbo core causes it for me

Wow the frame drops. Not used to normal core anymore lol

[quasi storm]

For kicks, you should see if this patched rom fixes the crashes on Everdrive...

[frail jolt]

honestly was thinking abou that

lol

sold my everdrive since the core came out tho

like since it had like S64 playable until end.. and then mars was whispered.. so i was like "meh.. i have other addictions

[foggy cape]

I don't remember my game ever crashing on everdrive

[frail jolt]

i had an old one

\liek V1.2 or something

[foggy cape]

Ohh

[frail jolt]

it was like 11 12 years old

[foggy cape]

Jeez I thought I have an old one. 2017

[fiery hamlet]

Which version of Everdrive did you have? Never heard of Conker crashing because of TLB

[frail jolt]

ummm let me see if i have the email or somehting saved for when iu bought it.. but like.. OLD.. like it was like krikzz refresh of his first generatrion or somehting

[brisk edge]

I also had a 1.5 back in the day but I don't think I ever tried conker on it since I had a cart. But considering how picky the later rare games are it doesn't surprise me if they had issues, tooie needed that patch to even run.

[frail jolt]

V 2.01

2013/2014 ish

[brisk edge]

Hmm, maybe mine was 2.0 then. I think I bought mine around that time

Does not feel like that was a decade ago though lol

[compact depot]

Aren’t there frame drops oh OG hw?

[blissful plaza]

So much.

But at that time, we didn't care.

[compact depot]

So core is perfect

And conker is conkered

[frail jolt]

I had Youtube on... kids stuff... and the algorithm took over as we went out to grill and pool

when i came back in.. Back to the Future was playing.. and i though tsomeone started my plex... then i found out it was just playing on YT FOR FREE!!!!

I was like "how the hell is this on yt for free... its a big deal.. its a huge movie.. its... its... 40 years old almost... no wonder why its free"

i never felt older

[brisk edge]

I try not to think about it too hard 💀

[frail jolt]

even when snoop announced a special edition 30 year anniversary Doggystyle album

[turbid warren]

Great Scott!

[frail jolt]

i strill never felt older

[foggy cape]

Yeah there are. But I didn't notice until I was playing turbo core the last few days lol

[blissful plaza]

The most noticeable one is when Conker is entering the Cock and Plucker before the main menu.

[foggy cape]

Just replaying the final battle was night and day between turbo and normal core

[eternal ravine]

Some ports have nice extras, like SF Alpha 3

[blazing knot]

That’s putting it mildly, the game is a slideshow on real hardware

[lament escarp]

The first person to get the v2 patch to crash gets 1000 dollars from @cerulean elk

[cerulean elk]

1000 yen

[weary perch]

the audio pops are not exclusive to Conker. they occur on Perfect Dark (relatively common) and Goldeneye (extremely rare)

and they don't occur on hardware, it's a core issue

[blazing knot]

Different audio question, has anyone with a surround sound setup tried to use the surround sound option with Conker or any other N64 games that support Dolby Surround?

[weary perch]

battle for naboo crashing is not reproducible, it randomly crashes between levels (and at various other transition points e.g. in-level cutscenes)

[blazing knot]

Dunno if mister needs special settings or not, but when I turned it on in conker, my sound system still just interpreted it as a 2.0 PCM signal. But there was a definite difference. It kinda just sounded like the left and right channels got a huge audio boost

I know Dolby back then did some weird stuff with encoding surround in a lower amount of channels and I’m quite certain my sound system can’t interpret Dolby Pro Logic directly but curious if anyone else with different setups has tried

[frail jolt]

$6 is $6

lol

usd

[foggy cape]

Yes I used surround sound with real hardware all the time back in the day

And I recall it working with my 5.1 system

[blazing knot]

I was wondering about through mister though, sorry should have elaborated

[frail jolt]

wasn't stuff like conker just TRUE 2.1 STEREO as "surround" for Dolby Logic stuff

like it respected the left and right audio. but there was no true surround Vs front vs center channels

[fiery hamlet]

Dolby always needs the manual decoder selected or it's just PCM. I can check this weekend

[foggy cape]

But I do remember being able to hear someone behind me

It's been a while but I'm pretty positive

I wish I still had that system to test

[fiery hamlet]

Mine has Dolby Pro Logic support, I'm just at work lol

[foggy cape]

Bring mister to work

[fiery hamlet]

Weird that's the same model I have and haven't had issues

[fiery hamlet]

Lol but that doesn't solve the problem of my 7.1 surround sound system being at home

[foggy cape]

Ahhh good point. Well made

[blazing knot]

I’m pretty sure I know it won’t work “properly” on my setup because mine is a soundbar with satellite speakers that does PCM 5.1 and various kinds of Dolby Digital and no mention of any other kind of Dolby format

[frail jolt]

weird.. maybe it was because of FW

i honeslty do not remmeber when or if i updated the FW

or maybe a bad Conker dump

up until about 1 yr ago.. my dumps were OLD

[blazing knot]

Downloading the no-intro sets for basically every system i would ever want to play and storing them on a NAS was one of the best things I’ve done recently

[frail jolt]

i have a 10TB hdd with eveyr game for every sytem from pong until Ps2/xbox

i of course own legit copies of all of these games

[blazing knot]

Of course! We all do! 😇

[frail jolt]

a lot of them were broken and lost in the great fire of 2009.. but

good thing i had them backed up

[lament escarp]

Relieving to hear that. Appearently some people (pi users probably) have copies of games they don't own.

[compact depot]

Turbo or normal core issue?

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-nerve-the-audacity-gif-15654453978820320801

[weary perch]

in perfect dark at least, turbo makes no difference, audio pops still occur on the core

haven't tested conker and goldeneye it happens so rarely that it's tough to test

[pliant valve]

Where did you get the ROM for Pong? Or do you have a netlist or something?

[foggy cape]

I only get pops in turbo core on conker

[frail jolt]

i know a guy

i meant like system generations lol

liek EVEYRHTING i could grab i have

[quasi storm]

Not with that attitude. Haul it in to work. Maintain eye contact to establish dominance.

[frail jolt]

3DO, Ps1....

no CDi tho

does CDi have ab emulator even?

(also... N Gage)

i have an n gage tho

[quasi storm]

See, I tried doing that. I have this thing, though, where I'm attached to the rooms I've accumulated over the years, as opposed to one big dump.

[quasi storm]

I have some NES ROMs from the Nesticle days...

[frail jolt]

ok sorry for talking abouit other things

[vapid hawk]

dolby pro logic should just work if you feed it to a compatible receiver, but it's prologic1 so it only has a single channel for both rears

[frail jolt]

ill let the n64 testers test

[vapid hawk]

also a lot of modern receivers don't have a true dolby prologic mode they have dolby surround mode which may or may not sound different i don't know

[quasi storm]

Is it the same stuff as some SNES games that touted Dolby Pro Logic macguffins?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[quasi storm]

It seems to space out the audio more.

[vapid hawk]

basically all surround sound prior to dolby digital / dts digital are prologic

it totally varies by game how effective it is too

[quasi storm]

First thing comes to mind are the Jurassic Park games on SNES.

I remember discussing what was actually happening with games like that in this discord. I remember being underwhelmed but don't remember the specifics

[vapid hawk]

the math to encode it is fairly simple but you have to actually have multiple useful channels worth encoding

thats probably a struggle on a snes

by the time gamecube came around using dolby prologic2 it was pretty incredible

[quasi storm]

Like I said, the audio separation just seemed more pronounced, more than anything

I played rogue squadron 2 on GameCube with surround. That shizz was INCREDIBLE!

[vapid hawk]

you can also apply it to games that dont support it and it may or may not do something good

i'm not sure if its a fluke or if some devs wanted the feature but didn't want to pay for the logo

[quasi storm]

@frail jolt hey look, we do it too, sometimes. 😄

[vapid hawk]

yeah rogue squadron2 is incredible audio wise

[frail jolt]

everytime im on here.. i am not testing.. im usually working.. so all i can do is divert.. i honeslty have no idea how peple who are ACTUALY trying to use discord to fix things or find bugs USE discord to fix things and find bugs

[eternal ravine]

Conker's audio is rather impressive

[frail jolt]

you'd think we'd have a tag like #BUG_CONKER

[quasi storm]

Honestly, it's really funny. When a new core would drop the whole channel would clam up as we put our heads down and tested.

[frail jolt]

lol i was here for those days on the 64

id not talk.. ust read

[quasi storm]

It was the same for PSX

[quasi storm]

Right? Some of the sounds the ol' 64 cranks out of the cart is mind blowing. I always refer to rock solid, or the zombie portion of spooky.

Let me see if I can dig up an old video I posted here, complete with pops and cracks 😄

[magic girder]

Uh, the zombie part of Conker is hard!

Can’t aim with left thumb these days 😄

[quasi storm]

Here it is!

[quasi storm]

Which part gives you trouble? Maybe I could toss some tips your way?

after the bat section? Or entering the graveyard?

Then again I grew up with the trident... But I'm making assumption, now 😄

[magic girder]

Entering the graveyard. Drawing the groups out and running backwards was enough 😄

[quasi storm]

Screw that, just stand on a tombstone.

[magic girder]

I’m just slow aiming with my left thumb stick

[magic girder]

Genius

They move fast for zombies!

I forgot I could jump!

[quasi storm]

Well, it's not just you. The aiming is a little wonky when strafing, it sways too much, and is frustrating.

[magic girder]

Yep!

[quasi storm]

Use a square shaped tombstone. There's one close to the exit. You can walk right to the edge and aim straight down. Conker doesn't bend that far, but the laser show you can hit the herd that gathers down there.

I love it when the game doesn't make you cock the shotgun. I've had it happen three times in a row!

It's like shootin' fish in a barrel!

[magic girder]

Got past that bit, and now stupid snakes

More vine? 🍷

[quasi storm]

Sneak or just z-jump

[magic girder]

Z-jump!

[quasi storm]

You're welcome! 😄

When you finish that godforsaken key hunt in the mansion, be sure to squish a few zombos with the barrel on your way out!

[quasi storm]

Correction: z-jump then hover.

[foggy cape]

Hardest part of the game for me believe it or not is not letting the villagers fall before getting to the grinder 🤣

Zombies are easy when you stay on top of something like a tombstone

[quasi storm]

I've practically got it down to a science. I just LOVE smacking them into the floor a few times along the way!

Their screams amuse me when I do that! 😈

[mossy needle]

@quasi storm Arguably the best part of the game

[quasi storm]

By the way @magic girder, feel free to tell me if I'm spoiling anything. I don't know if you've played the game before.

Man... My buddy and I had a blast playing the tediz on Beach. Plinking those little bastards of the bridge was SO satisfying.

[foggy cape]

I beat the game again. Zero crashes. This is incredible. Can't believe it

[quasi storm]

It's just so great to finally be able to enjoy this game on MiSTer!

[compact depot]

For several people, Conker was a very fond game back then! So glad they can now enjoy it on MiSTer

[quasi storm]

I used to rent it for 5 days at a time at our local movie gallery.

[turbid warren]

i've ONLY played Conker via emulation

[foggy cape]

I got it when it first came out. Tricked my parents it was okay because it was just a cute little squirrel

Worked like a charm

[quasi storm]

My brother used to go to a friend's house to play it. Then He would come home and tell me all about it, and then not let me go with him to see it. (Typical older brother shenanigans...)

Man, He was SOO mad when I managed to rent it.

He then proceeded to lead me straight to the multiplayer, when I saw his squirrel head get blown in half by a sniper...

It was the most shocking thing I'd seen on a Nintendo console up to that point, right next to the Cerebral bore...

He was hoping it would scare me from playing it the rest of the rental period. Instead, after the initial shock wore off I thought it was freaking AWESOME!

I was so excited to see what Rare had in store for GameCube... Aw, I just made myself sad.

[foggy cape]

The multiplayer was our childhood. Playing capture the flag and heist for hours with all 4 controllers. The bazooka was the best

Hey let's get multiplayer online working 🤣

[quasi storm]

Just messing around in the restroom was fun! Who could piss farther?

[foggy cape]

Oh damn I forgot about that lmao

[quasi storm]

I didn't forget... Especially when going against a high level CPU; those dudes could PISS!

[eternal ravine]

Wait, you could actually piss duel with the CPU?

Can, I mean

[quasi storm]

Oh yeah. They're wicked accurate with it, too!

You will lose.

[deft tree]

that's what fightcade is for

[quasi storm]

Imma go off on a tangent for a moment. Can we talk about how good the Enemy AI was for Conker multiplayer? They knew how to achieve objectives. They could pick a post and use it, ie sniping. They would take cover, and would choose strategic points and guard them. They would pause after killing you at close range, as if they were watching you die. If you committed too many friendly kills, your team mates will yell traitor and turn on you.

The list goes on and on!

I think the only thing they didn't do was use grenades, but I could be wrong.

Then again, I barely use grenades. They kinda blow...

No pun intended...

[foggy cape]

Huh I gotta look into this!

[deft tree]

project64 for n64, but fightcade handles most everything else

[foggy cape]

Oh yeah. Putting the ai on Einstein. I could jump around randomly all I want but their laser would just move with me

[quasi storm]

Fightcade is cool, but that doesn't do the MiSTer community much good 😔

[foggy cape]

I remember I used to use project64k back in the day.

[deft tree]

it's completely unrealistic to expect mister to get netplay that's remotely comparable to fightcades

[quasi storm]

Then again, it could be argued that MiSTer online multiplayer goes against what MiSTer stands for, anyway.

Not saying it wouldn't be absolutely ground breaking, but...

Man, it would change...everything!

[latent dagger]

MiSTer stands for "MiST on Terasic board"

[quasi storm]

Oh, wow! I never made that connection!

The original MiST is for Minimig and Atari ST, correct?

[deft tree]

who would it change things for? if you have a MiSTer you have a computer from within the past 20 years that can play fightcade

[quasi storm]

I'm talking about the whole paradigm of MiSTer suddenly evolving to offering online play in general. You know how NUTS that would be?

[deft tree]

as someone who has been playing all of these games with good rollback online play for... more than 15 years. It's not that NUTS to me

yes it would be a welcome feature if it were remotely feasible, but fightcade is right there if you have a desire to play these games with good netplay

[quasi storm]

Step outside your box of self. Consider the layman, who already loves his little box to bits. They then learn it suddenly has online play as a feature now?!

[deft tree]

the layman does not have a MiSTer

he does however have a random windows laptop

If you actually cared about playing these games online, You would be, and would have been doing so for many years at this point

[latent dagger]

I remember talking about potential net play functionality and how it could possibly be implemented with Kit some time ago. I remember we settled on something as a possibility most likely involving having to send a video feed from one MiSTer to the other and the connected 2nd player is just basically doing remote play over the internet and not running the game themselves.

[deft tree]

which people have done proof of concept already with real arcade boards and mister using parsec

[latent dagger]

It did also involve some parsec backend bits lol

[deft tree]

which, surprise surprise, is way shittier netcode-wise than GGPO that fightcade runs on

[latent dagger]

Yeah but we were looking at what could be properly implemented under the MiSTer environment because doing it any other way that's tries to be asynchronous with save states would be way too much overhead

[quasi storm]

How did ZSNES do net play back in the day? That shizz worked on a Pentium. It didn't work WELL, mind you, but it worked.

[deft tree]

delay based netcode

[latent dagger]

Asynchronous states is another way to put it. Both games "state" is being synchronized and continuously checked to make sure they match

[quasi storm]

My point is we had something relatively functional on much weaker hardware.

Granted, the framework and architecture are vastly different here...

Actually, forget I said anything 😄

I'm too far off topic as it is..

[deft tree]

you know there's netplay on raspberry pi's

there's a reason it's not super revolutionary

[quasi storm]

You must be a true software developer. 😄

Or an engineer. Which is it?

[deft tree]

analyst lol

and long time fighting game player

lol. saw that. sorry im realistic

[zinc dew]

Patch doesn't work with the uncensored patch, right?

[dawn halo]

I understand this sentiment, but the N64 version does have some cool things, notably some different sounding music because of the engine, a randomizer, blood picker, etc. Nothing earth shattering, and certainly nothing that makes it a must play, but cool nonetheless, and I'd still love to see it fixed some day.

[zinc dew]

I thought N64 version of RE2 was better than PS1?

[quasi storm]

I... Almost took that bait.

I was about to launch into another discussion...

[zinc dew]

friggin Kuba outed me lol

god it would've been so good

just imagine

[hidden bolt]

I used the bps format this time which is only supposed to work with the original rom, I can make separate patches for PAL and mods if this patch is confirmed stable

[zinc dew]

Ah you're too kind, thank you very much!

[dawn halo]

Decreased loading times and some extras are the pluses but some slightly more compressed looking backgrounds, a missing FMV (replaced by simply duplicating another), lower quality FMVs by a lot , worse sounds/voices are the drawbacks. But still a cool port

[fierce girder]

The direct control method in the N64 version is also interesting. Almost feels like cheating in some scenes because it makes navigating the zombies so much easier.

Re-orienting the control stick when changing camera angles is annoying though

[dawn halo]

yeah it's slightly jank with that control method but interesting

[fierce girder]

I prefer the N64 version myself, but I know I’m in the minority

It’s only because I played it more often than the PSX version when they were relevant

[dawn halo]

Yeah I like to play through it for its uniqueness

and the fact it exists at all is awesome

[fierce girder]

It’s an insane port for sure, it really shows that Angel Studios were on another level

No wonder they got snatched up by Rockstar

[turbid warren]

"RE2 was so big it needed TWO PS1 discs!!!!1!!" the company that ported RE2 to N64 -lol, lmao

[magic girder]

(I haven’t but you haven’t spoiled anything) 🙂

[quasi storm]

Still, though... The sacrifices Angel Studios did end up making are interesting. For instance, I didn't know about the differing texture capabilities of PS1 vs Nintendo 64. Outside of the obvious stuff, I mean. There's a whole DFRetro video on the subject.

I feel like the biggest boon for the port was the fact RE2s music was already sequenced, so that made it easier to bring over: Very little, if ANY CD music to chop up or compress.

[jovial dagger]

VIOLATION. You broke the rules

but no it doesn't because its a bps which checks checksum. Not sure if an IPS would work either

[eternal ravine]

I think many people could not get past the humour and missed out on why the game has diehard fans
Lots of fun to be had

[turbid warren]

Conker honestly feels fun to just run around in

has good game feel

[quasi storm]

The single player campaign is great, and it has the most multiplayer variety I think I've seen.

[eternal ravine]

That unskippable intro is sure a fly in the ointment tho

Made it annoying to test things

[quasi storm]

For all we know the game is meticulously setting up the console to run the game that whole time...

[eternal ravine]

I need a super duper save file

[compact depot]

fmv skip patch wen

[turbid warren]

30 fps patch for the turbo core when

[zinc dew]

LOL well played

[quasi storm]

Wait... Wasn't the intro skippable in the the pre release beta?

[eternal ravine]

Hah, that would be funny

[jovial dagger]

you got me good last night lol. Was too tired and was like wtf

[quasi storm]

I think there was a kiosk demo that had the intro skippable, to keep the pace moving.

They must have been really proud of the chainsaw scene.

[zinc dew]

Thanks for being a good sport about it. Appreciate you dude! 🍻

[jovial dagger]

I was pissed at first haha

cheers

[eternal ravine]

PobPi is off the chain

[spare meadow]

Been playing Conker for a while and notice the rumble isn’t working but the database detects the rumble option . The other N64 games are ok.
Has anyone else having this problem?

[half oriole]

I just played up to the part where you get the slingshot using a Stadia controller over bluetooth, and I got rumble through it.

[spare meadow]

Is that the only part of the game (slingshot) that has the rumble function enabled? I need to start a new game to return to this chapter

[random portal]

there is a closet that lets you go back to a chapter.,

in the bar

[quasi storm]

Eyy! Giving that Stadia controller a new lease on life? Good for you, son!

[hearty oar]

Glad it works - I merged the driver for it into the MiSTer kernel fork from upstream a while ago, but I couldn’t test it seeing as I don’t have the controller, just had to take it on faith that it would work

[half oriole]

Thanks for your work! The controller functioned perfectly.

[hearty oar]

No problem, it was trivially easy, just yeah always leery of stuff I can’t test myself 😆

[blazing knot]

I get rumble just fine through the NSO N64 controller

[mossy needle]

This IPS definitely worked

[atomic stratus]

@blazing knot reminds me that I have one of those controllers..I should hook it up sometime

[half oriole]

It pairs immediately and the stick acts perfectly.

[wanton sun]

if anyone wants to know about the sound pops: n64 plays digital samples only and it has basically no buffer for them. So it needs new samples e.g. every 1/42000 seconds or 23 µs. If the sample is not provided in time, the sound fifo runs dry. This can happen if for example a long DMA for VI or PI(cart) is going on at the same time and the data isn't provided fast enough from RDRAM(ddr3).

we could maybe build a workaround for it (larger sound fifo and stretching sound instead of pop)

[ivory laurel]

Maybe this smoothes the output a bit on real hardware

https://wiki.console5.com/wiki/BU9480F

[lament escarp]

So what's next gang? Jurry rigging jfg? Battling naboo? Evicting the evil resident?

[turbid warren]

now we play our video games and see what new things will come in the next few days, weeks, months, or longer

[lament escarp]

Noooo my backlog is too big it scares me.

[turbid warren]

your backlog won't get smaller by itself

[lament escarp]

My backlog to me is what the great Pacific garbage patch is to a boomer - I know it's there, I know I put it there, I know it shouldn't be there but maybe future generations will enjoy solving the issue. 😅

[cerulean elk]

I’ll look at JFG soon

I haven’t the interest for RE 2 or Naboo

[lament escarp]

Why not naboo? Episode 1 is the best star wars movie after all.

[cerulean elk]

Cause I don’t like Star Wars haha

[lament escarp]

Episode 1 is pretty much the worst episode out of the first 6 🙈 I'm just being silly.

[mossy needle]

Duel of Fates is a banger and Obi Wan, QuiGon vs Darth Maul was pretty cool

But thats about it

My somewhat controversial opinion is the music in episodes 1,2 and 3 were Williams at about his best

Around the same time he wrote Harry Potter

[hearty oar]

I was exactly the write age for it, I unironically did and still do love the film

[eternal ravine]

AotC is really where things went particularly wacky

Although, true neckbeard jedi might even argue it was RotJ

[hearty oar]

Nah, that’s where the fun begins

With the Ewoks

[eternal ravine]

Magically capable vs. Empire forces

[hollow rune]

Everybody loves bears and bear-like entities

[lament escarp]

Culturally appropriating the ewoks now? I guess it's still progress.

[mossy needle]

Let's face it everyone Star Wars Christmas special wasn't that bad

I once showed it to a 5th grade classroom and they appreciated it for the meme of it

Honestly it plays better to today's youth than in the 70s

[mossy needle]

God I forgot how annoying the keys section is in the Castle

[cyan berry]

What region is the Conker Patch for?

[lament escarp]

Us

[cyan berry]

Thanks

[magic girder]

Now at the war chapter of CBFD - still no crashes on the v2 patch

[rich warren]

I would love a patch for Battle for Naboo. Not as a Star Wars fan, but as a Factor 5 Star Wars game fan. Sure the setting is lame, but gameplay wise, it's a sequel to Rogue Squadron, one of the best arcade flight sims on the system.

[wispy peak]

I gotta slap back some conker later

[spare meadow]

I think we all would love a pach for the 3 big games that are left: JSG, RE 2 and Naboo.

[foggy cape]

I beat conker 1.5 times with patch v2 (first run was half with V1) with zero crashes. I had a straight 5-hour run too. I think it's actually conquered 😭

[rich warren]

I like JFG alot too. It's a more streamlined Rare game and feels like a surrogate Metroid 64.

So awesome that Conker works now! My Xmas that year was all GameCube, so I passed on it. Really looking forward to playing it for the first time. Great work awbacon & ruleset!

[modest helm]

Does the V2 Conker patch work on the uncensored rom, the final retail rom or just the prototype rom?

[turbid warren]

final retail rom iirc

[magic girder]

Final part of the war chapter is incredibly frustrating!

The camera really doesn’t help 😅

[fair stump]

Knowing nothing about JFG you have now piqued my interest

[turbid warren]

get JFG working on MiSTer and you have the entirety of Rare Replay on MiSTer more or less

sans some arcade games

[lament escarp]

Imagine you're a feisty squirrel, defying fpga hardware, even having a funny scene about the game freezing, only to get conquered.

[vapid moat]

Golden enough to distribute this patch around? (Unless it is already)

[rich warren]

It's pretty good! (If you're an n64 fan)

[turbid warren]

i like that a lot of Rare devs had the same idea wrt N64 games except like... the Goldeneye team

[foggy cape]

Yeah, it's posted in the games and patches topic

[vapid moat]

I meant outside of this Discord-server

[foggy cape]

Ahh my bad. Misunderstood. In my opinion, yes. But that's probably up to the devs

[vapid moat]

Hopefully, could go on Vampier's site or even Romhacking.net or org

[foggy cape]

It's probably helpful on real hardware too

[zinc dew]

Anyone who’s saying JFG is good is living in denial!

The game is awesome but those tribals maaaaaaaaan. Makes a grown man cry out of frustration!

[turbid warren]

Jeff Force Gemini

[cerulean elk]

Ive never finished JFG. I just end up getting bored

Now DK64 I’ll hang with though

[zinc dew]

I end up going “EFF THIS”

[turbid warren]

the chad DK64 vs the virgin JFG

[zinc dew]

DK64 is fun! The collection bullshit is ridiculous but the tag anywhere patch really does help.

[cerulean elk]

I don’t love the art style / universe of JFG. Vs DK which is just classic and colorful

[zinc dew]

JFG on Rare Replay is great if anyone hasn’t tried it. They updated the control scheme so it works very well with a dual stick controller.

[turbid warren]

JFG with actual dual sticks makes it feel like a real video game

[zinc dew]

Ok so being honest here. I would love JFG to be figured out or patched but I don’t mind lol. I don’t care about Battle for Naboo and RE2 is great on PS1. Conker was the only game I had a genuine love for.

[modest helm]

Battle for Naboo is fire though even if you don't like Episode 1

[turbid warren]

i like the pod racing game 🙂

[vapid moat]

Jesus Fucking Grist

[cerulean elk]

I mean with Conker down I kind of want to see the last three fixed so we can say “100%”

And yes I’m ignoring mahjong

[turbid warren]

100% of games that aren't mahjong

[zinc dew]

lol there’s a mahjong game that doesn’t work?

[rich warren]

Love all the N64 Star Wars games. Ps1 has what, Jedi Power Battles and Dark Forces? Rest are comically jank

[turbid warren]

just play Dark Forces on the 486 core 🙂

[rich warren]

Was shocked how good it runs with the 0mhz collection

[zinc dew]

You’re ignoring Master of Teras Kasi!!!

The greatest fighting game with a character named hoar

[turbid warren]

yup, Jedi Power Battles and Dark Forces on PS1. no other Star Wars games on there

[zinc dew]

I tried to like rebel assault 2 and it was pretty neat as a kid

[strange copper]

This is probably a stupid question but I'd rather ask, is there any risk of damaging the MiSTer with using the turbo core? I don't know anything about how the turbo core works other than hearing something about overclocking to achieve better performance and overclocking has always given me a bit of anxiety lol

[magic girder]

Nope, no risk

The ending of the war chapter in CBFD is so brutal 😭

[zinc dew]

Just a risk to your eyeballs with all those bleeding fast framerates!!

Turok 2 at 20fps instead of 6? woaaaaaaaaaaah

[turbid warren]

whoa

Turok 2 at those speeds? slow your roll there

[magic girder]

It’s an “overclocked” N64, rather than overclocking your MiSTer itself

[zinc dew]

I accidentally typed “bleeding fart framerates” and almost kept it

[magic girder]

But perfectly safe for the mister itself

[dawn halo]

keep the RE2 dream alive my man

[turbid warren]

if you bleed when you fart, please contact a doctor

[zinc dew]

All the Star Wars games for the N64 are pretty good

[magic girder]

ur pretty good

[wispy peak]

what if you fart when you bleed?

[turbid warren]

that's probably fine

maybe

depends on the context

[zinc dew]

no u

[spare meadow]

Always! RE 2 for the N64 is the better version of the game on its generation, better than the Dreamcast and game Cube too

[dawn halo]

It's such a fun and interesting playthrough. I even dig the resolution changes on a CRT, lol

[turbid warren]

"they said it couldn't be done. i'll show them! i'll put a PSX game on N64! THEN we'll see who has the last laugh!" -the people that ported RE2 to N64

[dawn halo]

lol I love reading/watching about how they did it

I saw a tweet somewhere from one of the developers that Capcom actually handed them the original assets to the backgrounds so if they wanted to they could have re-rendered them at a higher resolution, they just didn;t

that would've been awesome since the only version that has any cleaner looking backgrounds is the PC Sourcenext (Japan) version

[magic girder]

And we won’t be getting the duct tape 😒

[turbid warren]

I'll show him duct tape, show him where he can stuff it

[magic girder]

Man I hate the Tediz

I can kill like 5/6 of them consistently at the last section of the chapter, but they keep killing me 😭

[turbid warren]

Fullmetal Valchemist games 🙂

[magic girder]

It’s very trial and error so I can figure out where they spawn and which ones shoot first to prioritise them 😭

Night Trap is the best FMV game

I mean, it’s definitely not, but it’s the most famous

[zinc dew]

I absolutely did that graph lol

As a kid I thought they were neat, as a young adult I thought they were garbo, and now I think they’re neat again

[dawn halo]

phantasmagoria II for the lulz and actually fun story

[rich warren]

Lol, same here. Love watching Vinnie from Giantbomb/Nextlander play FMV games

[burnt phoenix]

Is the turbo core in #test-builds (23rd March) the latest one or is there somewhere else they live?

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s the latest

[foggy cape]

If you're talking about the very last section, I hop over the first fence, shoot the tedi on the right and then the one in front of me with the bazooka, and then I just run and spam jump to the end. Once in a while I'll have to get rid of the one on the left but mostly just the first two

[magic girder]

Beat it!!

Killed the first 3 methodically - ran to the metal thing, killed the one on the right, then one down the hill, then ran for it spamming jump 😅

Boy am I glad that the game doesn’t crash now. That bit would have been infuriating if it crashed!

[wanton sun]

the only real difference is slightly higher heat, but should still be less than with the Ao486 or GBA core. Nothing to worry about. The FPGA itself doesn't even know it's "overclocking". It has no idea what the internal logic is used for and what expected clocks are there. In that regard: everyone using 1080p or higher resolution is using much higher clock on the scaler than any core uses 🙂

[turbid warren]

oh? i had no idea about that with the GBA core

[wanton sun]

the GBA core was my first core and i made some decision i wouldn't do any more today. One of them was to run the internal clock at 6 times the original system clock so fast forward is possible. But 6 times original is like 106mhz

[lament escarp]

I didn't know it ran that fast. Any plans to "fix" that crackling sound in the n64 core? As far as I understood it's not really a bug but it's a bit annoying nonetheless. 😅

[wanton sun]

would need some signaltap debugging to identify the pops and what really happens there, but i don't have time for that currently. If anyone wants to try a shot in the dark, i can point to 2 possible places in the code that could help.

(but no promises at all, could be a dead end)

[compact depot]

We miss you @wanton sun

[wanton sun]

But i'm still here 🙂

[turbid warren]

🫵 that's FPGAzumSpass

[magic girder]

Oh man, just finished CBFD. Nice game. Wish it ended a bit differently though 😭

(No crashes on v2 patch 😃)

[random portal]

conker's is a badass game. I still love the multiplayer.

[broken creek]

Bout to install one of the new RockerGaming steel bowls. Pumped that there is some readily available competition to SteelStick’s.

[magic girder]

What even is that?

[broken creek]

Replacement bowl inside the N64 stick. The original was made of plastic and would grind away with plastic on plastic friction. This is why it’s becoming more rare to find good condition original sticks.

Steel bowls have been around for a while made by a company called SteelSticks but are rare; made in small batches and sell out instantly. They get bought up by speed runners on the second hand market.

[magic girder]

Thank you for explaining

[foggy cape]

I finally got a grade A steelsticks bowl a few months ago. I love it. Paired with a taostyx v3 stick and cap

A screw in the cap so you can adjust tension whenever you want without removing the stick

[tulip pendant]

fancy

[broken creek]

This RockerGaming bowl is feeling pretty smooth. I put it in my ~95% stick and it is noticeably smoother. I didn't think I'd notice much of a difference.

[foggy cape]

That's great to hear. Thankfully it seems we have good alternatives to the steelsticks bowls. We know how hard they are to come by

[sullen harbor]

I want to apply the conker patch, is there a good patcher anyone reccommends for n64

[lament escarp]

I just used lunar ips, like for any other bps/ips patch.

[sullen harbor]

ok cool

[turbid warren]

#games-and-patches message

i used this

[rich warren]

"beat" is what I used

[lament escarp]

I didn't even know there are so many patchers

[zinc dew]

There are also websites to patch em for you

[fair stump]

I offer artisanal patching for $1 a patch

[lament escarp]

I'll bite. Pls patch battle for naboo, resident evil 2 and jfg for me so they won't crash anymore for 3$

[hollow orbit]

Organic bits gathered from the fresh fjord fjields of njorway.

[fair stump]

Bring your patch and legally owned physical copy over and I'll patch it right away 👍

[hollow orbit]

Ethically sourced run length encoding.

[lament escarp]

You do the patch. You're an artisan appearently. Also can someone lend me copys of those games? I'll rip out the patches after and post them here.

[fair stump]

I artisanally apply the patch

Like my grandparents did in the old country

[lament escarp]

When my grandma patched something she didn't expect you to bring something. She did it just with a needle and a threat.

I can provide you with a threat. If you catch my drift.

[fair stump]

https://tenor.com/view/o-brother-where-art-thou-eye-patch-big-dan-t-oh-brother-gif-22300622

[lament escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-11928667053720670991

[hidden bolt]

Here is a patch for Jet Force Gemini NTSC. This one was pretty easy, there is a rsp timing check that is well known by emu devs. I just removed the check and it seems to just work. I only tried the first level though so there might still be other issues.

[fair stump]

https://tenor.com/view/thisisbig-jamesfranco-gif-5111146

Couldn't even get to the first level before, right?

[lament escarp]

HOLY HELL

[fair stump]

You guys are some TOP MEN

[lament escarp]

Seriously @hidden bolt are you some genie and we get 3 wishes or what? You're fucking amazing!

@cerulean elk make a vid!

[hidden bolt]

yeah, it would crash on the first cutscene, It is late here and I don't find the game particularly fun so other will have to test more thoroughly

[cerulean elk]

What’s going on?

[lament escarp]

Just jurry rigged jfg

[cerulean elk]

Haha pretty funny. I’ll do a vid Mon

I’m off for the weekend

[lament escarp]

Nothing big #1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

Someone go capture it for me lol. Help me out

[languid dune]

What in the actual fudge!? Ruleset? More like Rulegod!

[lament escarp]

@zinc dew wanna pin that jfg patch?

[wanton sun]

i always thought there are more issues than just the RSP cart timing check? At least the existing everdrive patch doesn't fully work and i was assuming it does the same?

[cerulean elk]

Actually I can capture today. So I’ll run a vid tomorrow. @hidden bolt should get some good feedback on if there are any other issues since that’ll probably get a few hundred people playing it

[cerulean elk]

Does the everdrive patch remove the check entirely or did it just slightly loosen the timing? I’ve never looked into it myself

[hidden bolt]

I don't know what the existing patch does, but that one always crashes quickly

[cerulean elk]

all patched up...will capture in a bit, run it in the AM, get more people testing...see whats good!

[cerulean elk]

Yes you can rarely get out of the start menu...maybe 1/30 times you could POSSIBLY get into the game for 15-20 seconds

[broken creek]

Isn’t @hidden bolt our PWM bro?

Really wish PWM would make it into main. 😦

[hidden bolt]

yeah

[broken creek]

You a real one. ☝️

[cerulean elk]

thanks for the ping @lament escarp Ive been running around all day buying alcohol and food for the 4th

and obv Ruleset for the patch

[hidden bolt]

Actually I think that patch is very old, like from the 90s made to work with specific flashcards so there might be some incompatibility's there

[cerulean elk]

yeah I believe it was very early in the N64 modding lifecycle that existed

so many of the patches are probably old enough to drink

[lament escarp]

@hidden bolt any plans to take a crack at battle for naboo and resident evil 2?

[hidden bolt]

if JFG works well then I might have a look, but I am not really interested in those games, I at least had JFG as a kid, although we only ever played multiplayer

[lament escarp]

It would ne hugely appreciated and resident evil 2 is actually quite good. You taking a look at it for about 10 minutes is probably more worth than us knuckleheads trying to do something for a year. 😅

[languid dune]

Just tried it out and played through to the second stage without any issues. This is magic.

[lament escarp]

@fair stump show us your artisanal craft! 😎

[cerulean elk]

I should mail you a capture card lol

[languid dune]

lol, I've never tried capture before, but I'd give it a shot.

[lament escarp]

Pls mail your july 4th liquor and food to me when your at the postal station anyway.

[languid dune]

Agreed. The N64 version of Resident Evil 2 is fantastic. I especially like the exclusive control option it has that removes tank controls. No other version of the original RE2 has it.

[fair stump]

Can we patch bomberman hero now so it'll be a good game?

[languid dune]

Oh damn. Shots fired. Awbacon just felt a disturbance in the force!

[lament escarp]

Just play jfg on your mister, would you pls?

[fickle yew]

trying out patched jfg atm wlyk

[cerulean elk]

Dead to me

[lament escarp]

Don't be mad. He meant it was a great game and wants a patch to make it worse.

[fickle yew]

i dont know much about the game but yoda let me thrua door, i ran around and shot a buch of blue ants and went inside some hut and got killed by a little battle droid

looks good

no crashing

not very extensive i know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiluKYz3Z1Y

[cerulean elk]

verdict is in...games good lol

capturing now

I will not be going very far though

[fickle yew]

go get those blue ants bigPP i believe in you

[cerulean elk]

BigDongsoterica to you

[fickle yew]

noted

[spare meadow]

Not all heroes wear capes! Thank you so much!!

[cerulean elk]

blue ants are on screen lol....who chose the art style for this game? So weird

and a bootleg Gremlin from Gremlins

[dawn halo]

I'm just piling on at this point to say +1 for this. But all the work has been awesome so far and it's all appreciated regardless of game. Thank you.

[cerulean elk]

working fine on my end

budget Earth Defense Force

area 1 down

[spare meadow]

+2 🔥 ❤️

[rich warren]

Bravo

Will play tonight!

[cerulean elk]

captured...onto edit

[turbid warren]

kinda wild that the game went from crashing immediately to actually being able to play the first level

referring to JFG

[hollow rune]

Amazing work people!

[magic girder]

Great timing! Just finished Conker earlier today. Now to try JFG for the first time ever. Thanks @hidden bolt!

[lament escarp]

So is jfg more to your taste than conker?

[cerulean elk]

your command has been met @lament escarp uploading video for 8 am tomorrow

told people to test and report in comments or on here any issues so if any crop up we will know quick

[lament escarp]

Thank you. Now enjoy your weekend!

[magic girder]

So in terms of "vanilla" USA broken games and recommended workarounds, it's:

• Conker's Bad Fur Day (patch)
• Gauntlet Legends (play on turbo core)
• Iggy's Reckin' Balls (play Europe version)
• Jet Force Gemini (patch)
• Resident Evil 2 (play on PS1, maybe Turbo core?)
• Star Wars Episode 1 - Battle of Naboo (still broken)

Is that right?

[spare meadow]

RE 2 on turbo core still crashes many times unfortunately

[cerulean elk]

RE 2 is hard to track. I played Leon’s entire campaign. No issue. I’m halfway through Claire. No issue

[magic girder]

Ah, my bad

[cerulean elk]

But others don’t get that result

[magic girder]

So still a bit temperamental, I guess

[spare meadow]

Tried RE 2 with 3 different Mister setups (double ram, analogue IO and blister) and got the same crash / freeze problem on all of them

With both Leon and Claire campaigning

[cerulean elk]

maybe its my play style in RE to just sprint past anything not essential to kill

[lament escarp]

Maybe it's not freezing, it's the game over screen and these people need to GIT GUT

[cerulean elk]

"YOU DIED"....the OG "Git Gud"

[cunning mantle]

I guess the JFG Patch is for the US rom only?

[lament escarp]

So far yes.

[cerulean elk]

Yep

[cerulean elk]

Haha just added to my weekend fun

[dawn halo]

It definitely crashes for me on turbo as well

I can even pinpoint a very particular location, and I can't remember whether it's both with expansion pack enabled or not, but in Claire's game, when raising the shutter in the lab, revealing the plants, I get a consistent freeze

[zinc dew]

Thanks dude, genuinely appreciate it

Sorry for the delay, just got home

[dawn halo]

I remember by playing with ram timings I was able to get around that, but then I would crash elsewhere in RE2 (past that point)

there was another area that I was able to get a consistent freeze, and I believe it was with the expansion pack enabled - if you enable the spark shot, and as soon as the fight against Birkin on the turntable begins, you turn around and take some shots at Birkin as quickly as possible, it's a very, very high chance of freeze

[zinc dew]

Here I fixed it:

• Conker's Bad Fur Day (patch)
• Gauntlet Legends (play Nightmare Creatures)
• Iggy's Reckin' Balls (what’s wrong with you)
• Jet Force Gemini (play it on Rare Replay)
• Resident Evil 2 (bruh, do you even PS1)
• Star Wars Episode 1 - Battle of Naboo (episode 1 is poodoo)

[languid dune]

No forgiveness.

[magic girder]

@zinc dew = The Great Mighty Poo

[cerulean elk]

Propane run?

[languid dune]

Isn't there also some snow mobile PAL game that doesn't work?

[zinc dew]

oh yeah, the poor man’s sled storm

It’s fun

What was it called

Polaris SnoCross

[languid dune]

Pretty sure it's called Poor Man's Sled Storm.

[zinc dew]

It has random freezes while racing, like completely random

[magic girder]

Doesn’t that also happen on Ares?

[languid dune]

Ironic or as expected that a snow game would freeze?

[zinc dew]

Oh, I don’t know! I can test it out.

[magic girder]

JFG seems to work for me. Just did the first level or part of it or whatever. Seemed fine. Will pick it back up in the morning

The music is

You feel like a real hero

[languid dune]

Ruleset just wanted us all to feel like they do.

[zinc dew]

You mean you feel like @hidden bolt ?

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-micheal-scott-smile-wink-point-gif-16881709

[languid dune]

Where's that slowpoke emoji when you need it?

[zinc dew]

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-king-crown-gif-11621808

I have fulfilled my GIF quota for the week.

[zinc dew]

lol

Me too

[cerulean elk]

I love that we all give so little shits about that game we all forgot it didn’t work

In my VO I didn’t even include it in the list of games that still don’t work

[magic girder]

But you know we’d all be hyped and playing it if it got fixed somehow 😂

BeSt GaMe EvEr!!1

[languid dune]

I would 100% be playing it.

The morbid curiosity always wins in the end!

[magic girder]

tbh I’ve never played it except to test a few months back

I tried Superman 64 out of curiosity.. Yikes!

[hollow orbit]

Overlooked gem.

[magic girder]

I’d absolutely play it if it ever got fixed, but I probably won’t bother to get the PS1 version

[languid dune]

Took one for the team.

[compact depot]

WTF @hidden bolt did it again!!!!

[zinc dew]

I actually play that game every build lol

I don’t know why either

[magic girder]

We should have a monthly “crap games that are actually good”

Cos I’m sure there’s loads of games that a lot of us overlooked due to reviews at the time or just them never really being a big hit

[cerulean elk]

That explains a lot

[magic girder]

Robby’s favourite game?

[languid dune]

I miss the days when the game's name was banned!

[magic girder]

The game that shall not be named

[cerulean elk]

And I’d just go around calling it Quest 69

[languid dune]

Nice

[weary perch]

still hadn't heard of anyone crashing in RE2 PAL (if you've had one, let me know) but seems most people have only tested NTSC. i played through a pretty significant part of the game without having any real issues, including repeatedly trying to get it to crash in some areas that randomly crash on NTSC like any scene where glass breaks

no idea whether or not it crashes in the lab or whatnot, but i suppose i'll try and finish my playthru from a few months ago to see at some point

tl;dr don't use turbo core for RE2, rather use the PAL version which seems stable and no one has reported any crashes for (yet)

added a link to the JFG patch to the workarounds page on my sheet

[dawn halo]

for those with PAL CRTs that's definitely the way

[weary perch]

tru, no help for 60Hz cathode ray-ers

presumably turbo could be even more stable but i still haven't had a crash even on the vanilla core with RE2 PAL

[storm vessel]

What's the JFG patch?

[zinc dew]

To make it playable as the game crashed when you try to play a new game. It’s in the pins.

[storm vessel]

D'oh, that's new

at 5:26am, yeah, that's why 😛

[zinc dew]

Yeah it was posted only a few hours ago

[storm vessel]

Plus I'm only up that early on work days

[frail jolt]

Can these patches become part of the build?

[cerulean elk]

It’s removing / altering parts of the game and how the game functions. It’s better to leave it as a patch

[spare meadow]

I beat the game 4 times (PAL version using the turbo core). Had only 2 freezing. 1 with Leon A at the beginning and other with Claire B at the train, fighting the last boss.

[cerulean elk]

For JFG it removes a check

[weary perch]

thank you!

[spare meadow]

Is that the reason why now the cheat option on Mister Menu is disabled for both Conker and JFG (patched games)?

[frail jolt]

I dunno how you chest at power ball..but like.....yeah

[zinc dew]

No

Sorry if it’s inconvenient, genuinely. They’re workarounds and game patches which aren’t included in builds.

[frail jolt]

Jesus..I get it.. im an idiot.. anyone else want to tell me I'm dumb

Lol jkjk

[zinc dew]

You’re not dumb at all, it’s a great question

[frail jolt]

No no..I men Robert Daud something that led me to believe he may do something

[zinc dew]

Oh, I think the patches might lead to an actual solution.

Not that these patches aren’t solutions, they’re extremely smart workarounds to a problem that was previously not known what was the root cause.

So I think it’s possible that there might be a future build that has these fixes incorporated because the patches helped expose an issue.

[frail jolt]

Gotcha

[zinc dew]

If that makes sense. Again it’s genuinely a great question. Writing a core is different than software emulation development.

The core’s goal is to reproduce the original hardware, warts and all. Meanwhile software emulators try to get the games working, warts and all. Both different and completely valid implementations. But a software emulator can incorporate a game specific bug fix while a core cannot, since it’s recreating hardware and has no software layer to work with.

So the core developer needs to debug what is causing the issue and fix their hardware implementation.

[neat sierra]

Did you know that this game was based on doki doki panic? It was!

[zinc dew]

like it ripped it off?

[neat sierra]

Yeah amazing! It’s the unseen wart

[hearty oar]

SMB2 itself was just a dream all along, of course Nintendo would never release a weird SMB game about throwing vegetables

[zinc dew]

Doki doki is the sound your heart makes

[hearty oar]

and panic is what happens when it stops

[neat sierra]

Geesh

Spoiler tag

Now everyone is demotivated to complete that hidden gem

[hearty oar]

now I really am in a Doki Doki Panic

[eternal ravine]

It sounds like it would involve monkeys

[gilded whale]

For Jet Force Gemini are we patching the regular us rom? or the everdrive patched one?

i went ahead and patched the standard rom, seems to have worked

This is amazing and im only at the intro

[weak hill]

guys, is there a good and reliable page for me to actually try to buy a mister fpga?, in america?, i want to play n64 games, i think its my childhood most apreciated console haha

[gilded whale]

terasic for the mister itself, misteraddons for one thats assembled.

[weak hill]

thanks, i will google them

[gilded whale]

if you need any help just dm me

[weak hill]

thanks!

[compact depot]

misteraddons.com is the place to go if you’re in the US

[weak hill]

im in Mexico, but i have checked that page, and is sold out

[fair stump]

Misteraddons for the pre-built for sure. Or you can order straight from terasic for the de10 and get the rest of the stuff via misteraddons

[compact depot]

@graceful radish is slow updating the stock on the site. Talk to him and I’m sure he will be able to fulfill your needs. He’s also a great guy! 🙂

[weak hill]

ohhhh, thanks for the tip!! i appreciate it 🙂

[mortal panther]

Can you make a patch that makes Superman crash?

[languid dune]

Trust me, he'll crash within seconds of trying to play it!

[gilded whale]

This was the original ring fit

[zinc dew]

LegacyPixels is also a good option in the U.S.

[gilded whale]

retrocastle is a good option if you want something completely different

https://www.retrorgb.com/retro-castle-mister-new-store.html

But me and a couple thousand other people can vouch for just how rock solid the aluminum case (from mister addons) is.

[turbid warren]

yeah the aluminum case rules. i'm glad i got one. was just having my mister boards hanging out for a while

[gilded whale]

i bought a funky case offof etsy and had that for a few years and although it looked bad ass it was clunky af

pretty high quality materials and such, but it was lacking in io and i had to keep modding it to do what i wanted

got fed up and got an aluminum one and havent looked back, i only got that in the first place anyway because i missed an order of aluminum cases and they rarely went up back then

[strange copper]

The combined I/O & USB hub looks great! Anyone thought of solutions for combining 5V boards like that with the incoming 12V clones?

Maybe better asked in the hardware section haha

[gilded whale]

im not sure, but it seems like a great option based on everything ive seen. Id love an aluminum one. the only downside i can see with the retrocastle design is it has less usb ports

[strange copper]

Same, the aluminum ones look really nice. I wouldn't miss the extra USB ports personally, I've never used more than 3 at a time and these ones have 4 not including the snac port

But yeah, downside for anyone with a lot of accessories

[gilded whale]

i tend to use all mine because theyre there

but i could pair it back

i like how it shrinks the profile down even more than the mister addon case

while still being as rugged (I think)

but i have no reason to ever get one because my case is basically perfect

[strange copper]

The two-stack has a very sleek, slim look to it, its profile reminds me of a Pi, I dig it a lot. I have no need to replace mine either, but if anything, if I get some extra dosh I'll invest in a new one and pass the old one down to my brother, give him the gift of MiSTer!

[gilded whale]

i wouldnt ever get a second one at terasic or second hand prices, but the clone board could inspire some projects who knows?

i like pi-like form factor too, very unassuming

i like that the aluminum makes it into a brick too, like you could step or sit on it and itll be perfectly fine

[wanton sun]

Great that you looked at it again, i just assumed the everdrive patch does the same and gave up researching it even more 😅 Just to know what your patch does: are you patching out the check that invertigo mentions here in the last post? https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/issues/129

[strange copper]

Oh nice!!

[wanton sun]

just took a look at the patch and it seems your patch already starts earlier than what invertigo said there, so i don't fully understand it. Anyway, i ported it over to the PAL version, seems to work fine as well

[hidden bolt]

Yes exactly that, I assumed the entire function was part of the check, so I just disabled all the conditionals.

[hasty musk]

@wanton sun is there also a conker pal patch?

@cerulean elk
Does conker run without freeze, just with the patch on original clock core?

[hidden bolt]

I will make PAL and uncensored patch as well as a .bps JFG PAL patch and make a thread on the mister forum so that they are all together.

[hasty musk]

That would be awesome

[hasty musk]

Turbo or normal core?

[wanton sun]

thank you so much!

[vapid hawk]

jfg patched now too? amazing

[vapid hawk]

the jpn version of re2 might be the easiest to debug, there's a specific door that crashes 100% of the time and it's music is perpetually messed up

[hidden bolt]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078

Here are the PAL and uncensored patches.

[iron dove]

Thank you 🙂

[dusty tusk]

On the older analog io, the standard core never displayed all 21 bits right?

Trying out the pwm core right now

[cerulean elk]

correct

[dusty tusk]

Cool. So I can just leave defaults on the pwm then I suppose to get authentic colors

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/gqfhxiISyTE

there you go @lament escarp it has been done

[lament escarp]

Watching it right away. Next naboo pls.

[hasty musk]

@cerulean elk on turbo only or original too?

[vapid moat]

I must say this again after hearing about the current news

@hidden bolt

[cerulean elk]

fun week for N64 on MiSTer

nice to have some Nintendo news that isnt just Nintendo DMCA'ing people

[vapid moat]

Maybe if maybe I ask @hidden bolt pretty please enough, they could see what's wrong with the Shop in Wonder Project J2 and fix it?

Ow.

[cerulean elk]

That’s 100% on turbo core fine so maybe a low priority. IMO

Guess I’ll look at Naboo next for a vid unless it gets fixed quickly

[vapid moat]

Yeah - though Turbo Core not being in update all + needing proper cooling to not do long-time wear on De-10 Nano iirc

It's why I suggest fixing this small thing for wider access for normal core (needing turbo core to fix a small freeze in the game seems bit much is what I'm saying)

also there's no PWM-core for Turbo rn, which brings in color banding issues uuff

[modest helm]

So is the Turbo core just better in terms of compatibility than the standard core?

BTW, curious if these patches make the game CBFD and JFG more stable on emulators and real hardware?

[cerulean elk]

No clue on real hardware

I can check next week

[zinc dew]

[zinc dew]

No, the CPU clock speed is higher which has the unexpected benefit of making crash prone games more stable. Both are the same level of compatibility.

[eternal island]

jfg as well... so soon too

my buddy will love that

same one who completed quest 64 on the core

he loves jfg. i hate it

[zinc dew]

Sounds like he’s my best friend

[eternal island]

never imagined conker would be fully working

[eternal island]

im a bad friend. i was playing better games on my steam deck while he suffered through quest 64

he made comments like "when i was a kid, this area made me cry"

[zinc dew]

I didn’t want to get people too excited at first, but I was pretty convinced it was going to be fixed. Random crashes do suck but that means it’s working and we just haven’t found the problem yet.

[eternal island]

thats some.. interesting nostalgia lol

checks out

[zinc dew]

N64 core will be perfect eventually. It’s because of community efforts like this that we’ll get it across the finish line.

[eternal island]

i think the last big one that can be played on psx as a work around is re2

naboo idk how big that is i dont like star wars games

[zinc dew]

There is no game that outright refuses to work. It’s just weird race conditions or memory issues that can be fixed. The problem is discovering what the issue is which is the most time consuming part.

So they’re all fixable, just needs time.

[eternal island]

👍

i couldnt be here for cbfd testing..

[zinc dew]

The fact that the core was able to reach near perfect accuracy in such a short amount of time is nothing short of being miraculous.

[eternal island]

was in the middle of a move

and now im moved and still cant cus ELDEN RING DLC

[zinc dew]

So in comparison this is much better than it should be.

[turbid warren]

the mister community kicks ass. lotta helpful folks and if a game doesn't work? they'll MAKE it work

[zinc dew]

This is the best retro gaming community out there.

Because of people like the ones in this chat. ❤️

Everyone here is awesome. Well @cerulean elk so I guess almost everyone.

[cerulean elk]

Only because you are here

[turbid warren]

and the mister itself is probably the best emulator i've ever used. glad i decided to build one

[zinc dew]

HAW HAW

you were nice and I was mean!

[cerulean elk]

Wow I said something nice @zinc dew and that’s what you do? Go play with trains propane boy!

[eternal island]

i was about to say

[zinc dew]

I actually feel bad now lmao I’m sorry

[eternal island]

since when do u say nice things about robby

i read this chat lots when im bored

u two got this uh

whats it called...

bit goin on..

[zinc dew]

I can’t hang with his insults or come backs, he’s way too quick.

[eternal island]

also n64 sucks in the saturn channel and saturn sucks in the n64 channel

[chrome quest]

Not been watching chat this weekend and check in to see this! Amazing stuff. Ruleset, thank you so much

[cerulean elk]

Shame!

[turbid warren]

the Saturn is so cool that i can't hate on it and i grew up with N64 so i can't hate it either lol

[cerulean elk]

I keep @zinc dew honest

[eternal island]

i like them both. on n64 i play things like cbfd, mario 64, mario kart and banjo. on saturn i play great games like

[neat sierra]

I can hate on N64 for you if you want

[turbid warren]

hey now, Panzer Dragoon is cool. also Tomb Raider got its start as a Saturn game and the PS1 version is a port

lmao sure

[neat sierra]

N64: 8 good games

[eternal island]

make sure its in the saturn channel

[turbid warren]

frankly, 5th and 6th gen had the best games imo

[neat sierra]

N64: most advanced hardware, worst frame rates

[eternal island]

lol i was just

posting that

[neat sierra]

Jokes apart M64 showed people how to make a good 3d platformer

Bug did not

[turbid warren]

Bug was some developers' first stab at a genre that didn't exist yet so i can't hate on it too much

[fading mist]

I might be blind, can someone point me to the JFG patch?

[eternal island]

i can, because gotta hype up n64

[zinc dew]

You’re a good game, gottem

[turbid warren]

should be one of the pinned messages

[fading mist]

thanks!

[neat sierra]

GG, Ws in the chat

[chrome quest]

Wonder would these patched ROMs run on Ares? Might help development that side?

[eternal island]

im curious if they make the games more stable on real hw

[foggy sun]

curious about something - if I was playing conkers on the prototype version when I was testing...would I be able to use that save file somehow on the newly patched version?

[zinc dew]

Maybe? Just rename the save file to whatever you named your retail rom

[magic girder]

Sadly not straightforwardly. I was in the same situation. Enjoy replaying 🙂

[dusty tusk]

If you can find a save file that completed the campaign, you could replay with the ability to press L to skip cutscenes

[magic girder]

I can give you mine if that helps ^

[foggy sun]

oh! that would be amazing!

[magic girder]

Alright, give me like 30 mins and I’ll DM you

[foggy sun]

awesome thank you so much!

[magic girder]

No problem 🙂

[slender hawk]

🚨 CODE VIOLATION 🚨

@foggy sun You have violated rule #417 - using other people’s save file

[foggy sun]

😐

[zinc dew]

You cheated not only the game, but yourself!

[foggy sun]

I just wanna live my life man...live it in a world where I can skip cutscenes in Conker

[zinc dew]

lol sorry, I was just making a silly joke

[foggy sun]

hahahaha

[zinc dew]

I think it’s cool save files are so portable

[foggy sun]

I've always found it fascinating that we can do things like that haha

[zinc dew]

It would be cool if there was a repository of MiSTer compatible save files tbh

[foggy sun]

yeah that would be really cool

like, if you wanted to just download a save of smash that already has everything unlocked or something - super useful to someone id imagine

[dusty tusk]

You could GameShark and save

[slender hawk]

🚨 CODE VIOLATION 🚨

@dusty tusk You have violated rule #108 - using a game shark to cheat not only the game, but yourself

[atomic stratus]

oh wow, I juuust realized that on mobile you have to go to Settings to see pinned messages seems dumb when the desktop app just has the button in the top right corner

[nova grotto]

For JFG which CRC32 version of the game do I need ?

[turbid warren]

when in doubt, the no-intro pack will take care of you

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s REAL dumb

[turbid warren]

i used discord mobile once and hated every second of it

[worldly quartz]

Yeah, I gave up looking for the button and just went to desktop->web browser

[fair stump]

If it's a bps patch then the patcher should tell you if you're using the wrong one

[nova grotto]

It says there's a mismatch and the CRC32 is in red but I have the exact CRC32 then I don't know what I'm doing wrong

It's telling me I'm using the wrong one indeed but it's not telling me which CRC32 is expecting

[magic girder]

@foggy sun For some reason it won't let me DM you the file. Hopefully nobody minds me using this channel... (You may need to rename it to match your ROM, but hopefully it works).

[hidden bolt]

the patch needs a z64 rom

[magic girder]

My CRC32 before patching was 6753d5a3

[worldly quartz]

Yeah just use those roms and the pinned bps and that online site to patch and it's good

[dusty tusk]

Quick tip for jet force gemini, with default expert controls, holding r button doesn't just give you free look. It allows you to move about with the cbuttons as well. This gives you pretty modern aim/move controls, just swapped

[nova grotto]

ty

[nova grotto]

Thanks !

[foggy cape]

I've never played JFG before but after watching your video it looks good. Guess I'll give it a shot!

[eternal island]

i have an irrational hate for that game

[foggy sun]

thank you!

[cerulean elk]

I’ve been having more fun with it than I expected

[eternal island]

only memories of it are wanting to play smash bros, mario kart or conkers bfd multi at a friends house and him refusing to turn off jfg while we all were forced to watch

[cerulean elk]

I’m gonna do a patching tutorial this week coming for people as I realize not everyone knows how to patch a rom or where to find the patcher

Not an exciting video but one that will be useful

[high dew]

I've played Jet Force Gemini on an Emulator and I always wanted to finish it.

I can NOW try it on the MiSTer FPGA.

[inner garden]

Going to try out these CBFD and JFG patches. I love and appreciate all of you.

[weak hill]

guys, i read this commento in ares discord server: "Tooie has an easily noticeable timing problem where the attract demo runs too fast", does this bug happens on mister too?

[compact oracle]

Hi All im a bit new to dischord and a bit of an old fogie. Does anyone know who I should contact about the decompliation project or recompilation project for n64? I know mario and Zelda has been modded for so many new effects to run nativly on windows computers. But Im wondering if anyone can decomp / recomp WWF No Mercy... there are so many cool mods for this game and really is the best wrestling game of all time. Would be so cool to add more effects or polygons using this new way of modding roms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI8kUsIVDFg non recomp decomp mod)

[cerulean elk]

I def want to play this now that I know it exists

[compact oracle]

Yeah its a must for any oldies

Id love to see a higher polycount and more modern effects like full quality FMV intro videos etc, but i know its not a simple as that however im sure that where theres a will theres a way 🙂

[midnight night]

big week for N64 gaming on MiSTer gahlee

[cerulean elk]

I’m def gonna do a random video on this

[worn delta]

Fantastic news with these patches. Great work! Are there any games left that could potentially be patched to work properly besides Naboo and Resi2?

[sullen harbor]

what does the conker uncensor patch do

[strange copper]

The mahjong fans eagerly await the champion who'll finally patch their favorite game

[worn delta]

Oh, which one is that again? What's the issue?

[vapid hawk]

it removes the "bleeps" over his swearing

like the xbox version, i think its funnier with the bleeps personally

[sullen harbor]

I agree

actually

[dusty tusk]

It is, but I still want to see what it sounds like uncensored

[worn delta]

Is this the Mahjong game that doesn't work?
Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery (Japan).z64

What is the status of this one? Listed as not playable due to lack of smartmedia card support
Mario no Photopie (Japan).z64

[drowsy lantern]

One thing I’m noticing playing Conker now that it works is that the audio clicks a lot whenever characters are talking. I assume it’s the same issue as Perfect Dark with the mp3 decompression running up against limitations of the core.

[sullen harbor]

I had clicking for a while on all my cores and I found I had set my audio sampling rate to something higher in my settings so you might want to check that first

[drowsy lantern]

I don’t have clicking in any other situation than when characters are talking.

Nor in any other N64 game (aside from PD) nor any other core.

[lament escarp]

Robert mentioned that the clicking could be fixed but he ain't got the time for now.

#1096015979055697940 message

[wanton sun]

i only ever heard it in the dance club scene, so maybe it's not the same

[modest helm]

Another game doesn't fully work. Rugrats in Paris: The Movie. When you complete a mini golf hole, there's a obut a 50% chance the game freezes. It's not a masterpiece obviously, but just wanted to report this

Using the Turbo core BTW

[lament escarp]

It's rather pronounced in the beginning of conker, after you talked to the gargoyle for the first time. You can just stand in front of him and hear the crackle while he breathes.

[hollow rune]

In content yes, but I the gameplay is really rough

[lament escarp]

Dang. So which game needs to be fixed to make you happy?

[hollow rune]

I mean, honestly I am super happy with the core. All the games I care about run perfectly

[magic girder]

JFG would be a good game if I could actually control it

[turbid warren]

only beat the first level in JFG but i enjoyed it

on MiSTer

[magic girder]

I don’t remember struggling with goldeneye back in the day, but I can’t play that either without remapping the controls

Although not being able to invert the up/down is killing me the most 😅

[strange copper]

on Goldeneye? you should be able to reverse up/down via the Watch menu

[magic girder]

I guess I’m destined not to enjoy N64 shooters these days

[magic girder]

Oh, sure - I meant on JFG. Sorry

[strange copper]

Gotcha my bad

[magic girder]

I was a bit all over the place with my musings

[gilded whale]

So Naboo is the only exclusive that doesn’t work now?

[turbid warren]

was about to say "RE2" but that's not exclusive so you right

[gilded whale]

What a time to be alive

[magic girder]

I wonder if Naboo crashes for some of the same reasons as either JFG or CBFD

[lament escarp]

I wonder whether the next vge vid will be "battling the battle for naboo" or "evicting the evil resident".

[magic girder]

More likely similar to Conker, if it’s memory related?

[wanton sun]

i really wonder if now that cbfd and jfg works, out of a sudden, everyone will agree that naboo is a great game 🤣

[magic girder]

We want what we can’t have

How’s the Rugrats game? 😅

[cerulean elk]

To not be my normal joking self this is why stuff like this is important 🙂

[wanton sun]

If Ruleset will keep up the speed you will need to play mahjong sooner than you would hope!

[gilded whale]

Rugrats the movie the game for n64 is now a metal jesus style hidden gem

[lament escarp]

I think after naboo and resi2 we're good. 😅

[magic girder]

That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing

[turbid warren]

yeah, after naboo and RE2 are fixed everyone will go "yup, that's ALL the N64 games" then someone wil go "but what about that one mahjo-" get interrupted and everyone goes "yup, ALL the N64 games on MiSTer"

[wanton sun]

i also have nice memories of JFG, playing it with a friend 20 years ago. Will play it again in some time 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Mahjong is the @zinc dew of the N64 library

[gilded whale]

Pro cross snowjob still needs to be done tho

[cerulean elk]

Please it’s called PoleCross Snowbang

[strange copper]

A snowjob sounds... cold 🥶

[turbid warren]

killer frostbite

[gilded whale]

Not if it’s done by a pro… cross

[lament escarp]

Better than nothin'.

[gilded whale]

Batman beyond also be running double speed

[modest helm]

Its pretty bland. It’s not terrible though, I mean for a kid’s game

[lament escarp]

So it's half as long and therefor half as bad on the core.

[gilded whale]

Batman beyond frame limits

[gilded whale]

Precisely