Nintendo 64

[grizzled phoenix]

pwm is now disabled for any scaled output

[pliant pollen]

still wish PWM would get merged into the official cores at least

[versed cairn]

I totally agree too. it's such an improvement for me on my crt. wish there was a way to get them auto built and downloaded with a script. back to transferring builds by hand...

[neat sierra]

You could fork, pull in the PWM changes and trigger a merge on pushes to master using a GitHub action and does a build. Then write a script to pull the latest from the releases on your fork. You can look at theypsilons work for an example

[versed cairn]

I don't think the time investment to figure out github and building and all that is worth the small inconvenience I'm feeling now. it's a cool idea though!

[wanton sun]

building and using random N64 builds is the best way to have random crashes and bugs while you play

i can only recommend to use builds that are checked for timing

[neat sierra]

Oops yeah fair point don’t do my thing for n64. Do it for PSX 😜

[fossil sonnet]

It'd be super fantastic if PWM gets rolled into psx and n64 cores officially especially considering the timing issue.

[native monolith]

Wow, didn't know about the PWM builds, but trying it on my CRT it looks great. Would definitely be nice to see it integrated.

[zinc dew]

Pulse Wave Modulation?

[native monolith]

I like me some pulse wave modulation, especially on the NES. 😉

I guess at some point I should give in and get a new analog I/O board, but much like my old 2.5 RAM, I don't wanna spend money. 😛

[hollow orbit]

By the time you’ve learned that much GitHub you’re like 85% to a software developer. Just learn a language.

[north lagoon]

I don't follow the last news about the core. Does compatibility increased to 100%? Or it will never be possible on current mister fpga platform?

[languid dune]

It won't be possible. The turbo core does fix some games though. Regardless, the vast vast majority of the library is great on the core.

[cerulean elk]

Still noodling

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-johnson-noodles-gif-25332413

[lament escarp]

Conquered by conker.

[neat sierra]

Average N64 enjoyer

[eternal ravine]

Noodle64

[languid dune]

I ate some mac and cheese noodles yesterday if that helps.

[cerulean elk]

I thought we’d found a consistent freeze. Save file where the game would crash the same way every time. Then one tester managed to NOT crash it

[languid dune]

It was Robby wasn't it!? Always throwing a wrench in the works.

[cerulean elk]

I don’t let him test. All he does is send footage of Elmo games

[lament escarp]

Out of how many tests?

[cerulean elk]

Bout 50

[lament escarp]

So about 2% chance.

[hasty musk]

Fire that tester. If he doesnt work for you, hire him and then fire him 😅

[magic girder]

Was that my save game? 😆 Who managed to get it working!?

[loud tartan]

Quick question regarding SNAC, an N64 controller & the rumble pack .... does a modded rumble pack (ie, the "no battery mod") work with MiSTer and SNAC on the N64 core?

[worldly quartz]

Depends on your snac

Allegedly snax can without external power

I made my own snac and use external power and it works with 4 modded paks

It will probably work with like 1 - 2 like the ps1s. At least the motors use 3v vs 9v

[cerulean elk]

It was

[candid copper]

just updated to the latest n64 core and now the start buttons on all the n64 controllers are pulling up the MiSTer menu

[candid copper]

ok fixed that issue, but now the n64 controllers are only allowing left/right directions on the analogue sticks lol

[languid dune]

Just try redoing the mapping in MiSTer main. And then remap in the N64 core to see if that fixes it.

Also don't forget that you don't map the analog stick in the core. That is only done in MiSTer main.

[candid copper]

yeah eventually got it. had to go through the entire mister main config. apparently it asks you for stick config twice

[languid dune]

Yeah, that's a common mistake. You need to actually finish the process!

[candid copper]

yes lol

[zinc dew]

It’s a common enough occurrence where I don’t think it’s user error anymore. We’ll want to clean up that UX for the next go round.

[potent stream]

I completely agree. Probably the most common mister question is about the analog sticks on the N64 core lol

[eternal ravine]

N64 maxxes out MiSTer

[cerulean elk]

before anyone sees the vid I just put out...no Conker isnt 100% yet

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/radio-dance-muzik-taniec-romantic-gif-23974132

You know how this one ends

[cerulean elk]

happy ending

[eternal ravine]

You know you didn't have to type it

[cerulean elk]

Conker def goes to the squirrel rub and tug

no doubt

[eternal ravine]

Hey happy father's day

[cerulean elk]

Because I am @languid dune dad? lol

[eternal ravine]

I have such a good one lined up, but I shan't go there

[cerulean elk]

Weak. Go there

[eternal ravine]

I'm already gone, maaan

Zoids on the brain

[languid dune]

Happy Father's Day dad! 🫂

[latent hatch]

Had the same issue. Analog input only allowed for left and right in DInput mode for the Retro Fighters controller by default. Fixed it the same way, of course.

[cold pollen]

Yes the mapping is a bit confusing. It's not bad overal just the order of things could be better

[zinc dew]

In addition to what you said, because I agree, I think there’s some mappings that could be moved to a different menu option. The mouse stuff seems not necessary to most people for example.

I think a warning when exiting would also be useful. If you don’t finish mapping it’ll give you a prompt.

[cold pollen]

Yes that's what I was getting at, like the extra stuff should be separate, 99% of people are skipping half the mapping because it's extraneous, and then what is there can be confusing

[latent hatch]

Same with the PSX core TBH.

[fossil sonnet]

Would be nice to add controller type picker to input mapping.

[compact depot]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024/06/dev-behind-misters-impossible-n64-fpga-core-shows-off-his-zelda-style-gba-game

[topaz otter]

roberts making a gba game, neat

[gaunt star]

Shining Soul is maybe the best thing you could list as inspiration for portable arpg

[vagrant ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JULO-C70U

the core makes a Linus Tech Tips video

[thorn flax]

thanks linus for helping aim the big-n’s lawyers at us 💙

[lament escarp]

I talked to miyamoto, he said the mister core is fine as it doesn't compete with their pos software emulation on switch, so no worries.

[eternal ravine]

Miyamoto grew up playing SEGA

[thorn flax]

you’d have thought his games would have turned out better in that case

[eternal ravine]

Which is better: N64 in USA, or Saturn in Japan

[fair stump]

They showed PD on the direct and my first thought was "is that running at an accurate frame rate?" 😆

[covert bough]

Was also widescreen

[zinc dew]

The original game could do widescreen I thought

[cerulean elk]

Checks stats to see views bump…and nope

[cerulean elk]

Saturn in Japan

[zinc dew]

Depends on what you like honestly. Fighting games and shoot em ups or fps and action adventure?

[elfin relic]

N64 in Japan because S&P

[storm vessel]

S&P does not outweigh the entire Saturn JP library 😅

[zinc dew]

the Saturn and the N64 were cool counter balances to each other imo.

Like each console excelled in different areas

For me anyways

[storm vessel]

All 3 that gen 👍

[cerulean elk]

Both their best games were Bomberman. Bomberman Hero and Saturn Bomberman

[zinc dew]

lol

[elfin relic]

it's a good thing we no longer have to choose

[storm vessel]

And it’s f’n awesome it’s all in a tiny MiSTer 😃

[zinc dew]

You will when the next MiSTer framework goes live. I’ve convinced Sorg that we need to force users to choose one 32-bit console to delete from their setup in order to free up resources.

I asked for the default option to be Saturn

[elfin relic]

then PSX because SMT1,2,If...

also N64 is 64 bit bit bro

sixty four bit my balls

lol gottem

[zinc dew]

is it though dot gif

I’m kidding it is, even if the games aren’t

[elfin relic]

what happens to your precious VB tho, all chance of that core would be gone

and GBA, also a 32bit system

[zinc dew]

DAMNIT

[elfin relic]

YOU FOOL

YOU PLAYED YOURSELF

[snow mulch]

Ill probably pick it up when the next console comes out.
Online updates pretty much kill the mod, custom firmware. some of it seem unpolished, unfinished.
Bought most my consoles because of online multiplayer.
Nintendo just has to much exclusives. Consoles fit right in the living room more then a computer.

I once thought it was a gaming box that has a bunch of games, now pretty much a box thing you gotta work for and put all your investment in.

Gaming industry is well funded anyways.
It's probably to keep all those gamestops open. Google map shows there is quite alot of them. lets pretend i posted this next month. hehe

were saying. "WHATEVER"
We just grab the good one's.

[broken creek]

Diamond handed apes led by a roaring kitty kept the GameStops open lol.

[frail jolt]

Copy turbo core (N64_80hz........rbf) -> put into cores folder for consoles with the other RBFs.... what else do i gotta do?

When i boot core, it just goes black and no love (or the MiSTer video goes out of bounds for supported resolution)

[zinc dew]

Can you bring up the menu?

[vagrant ivy]

you need the bioses

[frail jolt]

My tv loses signal it seems....or it goes to a resolution my tv doesn't suppoer...

It goes to a "no signal" type screen (lg artwork)

[frail jolt]

Like I need tk copy it into a 80hz folder???

I just assume if n64 core works... the 80hz would just link to th3 same bios

[vagrant ivy]

no it should load it from the N64 folder where the bios lives for the normal corre

[frail jolt]

Well my normal core loads

So my boss should be goof

Good**

[silent marten]

Check the file size compared to the original N64 rbf, they should be around the same size

[mild grail]

Where can you find the turbo core?

[remote hatch]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/blob/main/releases_turbo/N64_80MHz_20240323.rbf

[frail jolt]

above (or pinned)\

[frail jolt]

TY.. i saved it off git wrong.. or something.. it was a small 100k-ish file.... ill test later. but im 99.9% sure it was a misdownload

[zinc dew]

Yeah, basically you're going to want to click on the file on GitHub and then it'll provide you with a RAW button to download it

otherwise you're downloading html

[cerulean elk]

Everything is better in life raw

Cores, steaks, other things

[frail jolt]

it was an RBF file./. i just have no idea why it was so small.... maybe i closed out of my browser and stopped the download? -- and y PC comitted it????

I have no idea.. all i know.. we arew GOOD TO GO now

now i just gotta find the right version of Conker that bacon is always on about

i found one.. it said oct 25, but it wont load... OG conker loads no problem

[latent dagger]

Pretty sure you're not finding a version, you're finding a patch for it and patching it yourself

I see.... It's an old ROM hack that used to be sold and shared around on cartridge? The uncensored hack?

Or now that I'm digging around you are trying to load the beta version of the game?

[frail jolt]

@cerulean elk please advise....probably for the 10,000 time

Lol

[cerulean elk]

Never trust a fart when you have stomach cramps

That the advice we’re looking for?

[cerulean elk]

Hidden palace Oct 2000 Decrypted prototype. You’ll need to change the file extension from .rom to .z64. Endianness is already correct. Just change extension

[frail jolt]

i mean that heart

[cerulean elk]

I feel like my joke deserved it more lol

Nah always ping me any time anyone needs help. I’m always around and happy to help where I can

Except @zinc dew I give him wrong answers always

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk why does VGE want to help Nintendo shut down rom sites?

[cerulean elk]

They pay me in coins to do it

I’m on the payroll

I’m gonna DMCA you next @zinc dew due to fat baby infringement. Getting too close to baby Mario

[zinc dew]

lolol

[minor fog]

On the soft drinks as he can’t handle the real ales

[cerulean elk]

Double of rum will do me. On drink 4

[languid dune]

I heard Awbacon likes it raw.

[eternal ravine]

This used to be such a wholesome channel

now it's all dry & raw

[cerulean elk]

Raw like N64….Vaseline based 🤣

[verbal aspen]

hello, new to the scene. I tried to play n64 games but only get the black screen. Now I read that i have to put in 2 (bios) files: boot.rom and boot1.rom is that right? Cannot find any of these files. Only for example have an Bios N64 PIF.bin. Is that the right one? Shall I rename it? To boot.rom? And if so, where do i get boot1.rom?

[latent dagger]

Use the update_all script

Makes things simpler.

[latent dagger]

https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer

[verbal aspen]

ah is this a different one than the normal one?

does it grab bios files too?

i just ran the normal update all scirpt

but it seems it did not grap bioses

[latent dagger]

There should only be one update_all.

[latent dagger]

Are you sure you aren't confusing the normal MiSTer update script that comes with MiSTer with the third party "Update_All" script?

[cerulean elk]

Speaking of Conker

https://youtu.be/_R0BpnwiZWY?si=khPQnBHdRWq7_VaW

[compact depot]

Core runs conker now?

[cerulean elk]

Yes. With about 3 crashes per playthrough lol

I’m done collecting evidence now though

[mild grail]

@vanfanel__ Ah, thank you!

Does vampier.net no longer exist? Main page is blank and my bookmark to the N64 compatibility list is now just a dead link

[zinc dew]

Correct, it was a great resource while it lasted but it was sunsetted.

[strange copper]

haha n64 memory go brrrrr

[mild grail]

Gotcha

[compact depot]

He could be mirroring ismarsoutyet.com

[lament escarp]

Thank you for putting so much effort into the conker thing. Maybe my mom was wrong about you.

[hollow rune]

I am going to second this. I just watched the latest video. Good work @cerulean elk

[spare meadow]

Is there a list of the games that doesn’t works or are not playable , besides conker, re 2, JFG and Battle for Naboo?

[fair stump]

There should be a compatibility list in the channel pins

[latent dagger]

The pins are in the other archived channel, also it was vampiers list and it got unpinned I think when he left (or got booted, not sure which).

N64 Game Compatibility List (backup of original)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11YXQ_43ibTI_uruo3YLh14PyJp5pUul6ZW4ylRTFxH4/

@zinc dew I made a copy and it's hosted on my Google drive now. You can pin it if you like.

[hot spoke]

Here's a re-post from the controllers section in case anyone wants to hook up 2 original N64 controllers on a single arduino.

#controllers message

[cyan hawk]

Hi. On my Sony trinitron kv-21ft1k when I start n64 a black screen appears. As if mister freezes. I use a cable vga - scart rgb. Help please.

[worldly quartz]

Wouldn't snac be easier? Literally just wires, a 5v to 3.3v , caps and female n64 ports?

[hot spoke]

I don’t want to connect to THE snac port

Also doesn’t snac only work for one player? Maybe I’m wrong about that. Either way, my earlier reply still applies

[hearty oar]

It works for up to four players for n64 specifically, but yeah, it has other downsides

[spare meadow]

Found this 2. Wish Robby could Pin this 2 in this chat 🙂

#n64-dev message

[fair stump]

There are pins on this channel and both compatibility lists are there #1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

Yeah I wasn’t going to say anything. They were going to figure it out eventually lol.

[latent dagger]

Well they don't show up on mobile then even though pins show up on other channels

Oh I see now, for some r-word reason, it's under the "settings" menu like when discord first did this new UI for the app.

But it's right in your face on other channels

So stupid

[zinc dew]

Oh god that, nevermind. Ain’t nobody figuring out that unless someone tells you. It’s so awful.

[latent dagger]

Exactly. I wonder if it's because this channel is the older one so it's locked into the old UI or something

[hollow orbit]

still waiting for a discord -> irc bridge so I can ignore all their awful UI decisions

[languid dune]

And here I am only ever using the web browser version of Discord.

[compact depot]

We should just go to IRC and drop Discord for good 😌

[fair stump]

Never used irc, can I post monkey gifs?

[magic cove]

Erm, silly question, but I've been searching for the no eyes SM64 patch for an hour with no luck.

[lament escarp]

What's irc? Something like tiktok I presume?

[fair stump]

Based on an old youtube comment I saw it was available on the defunct vampier n64 page

So you may have to source it from someone here now possibly

[latent dagger]

Infrared Communications

[lament escarp]

Oh like mystery gift on gbc?

That sounds nice.

[latent dagger]

You talked to each other by pointing IR blasters at each other's devices like you did with the Gameboy color to transfer Pokemon

[lament escarp]

DS chat was also nice.

[magic cove]

Unfortunately the webpage doesn't exist anymore 😦

[fair stump]

@mild ether did the patch, i believe, maybe they have a backup copy

[mild ether]

I did some patches, I confess.

[magic cove]

Is there anywhere I can find the no eyes patch still?

[mild ether]

The patches I did skipped the face at the opening of the game because it used a feature the core didnt have yet

[magic cove]

yeah that's the one I'm looking for

[mild ether]

I will take a look around but its been a hot minute.

[hollow orbit]

Is it no face or no eyes?

[turbid warren]

faceless behavior

[hollow orbit]

"Super Mario 64 - US Version (LodgeNet) - no face IPS"

that it?

[magic cove]

yeah

[hollow orbit]

dm sent

[mild ether]

I am not sure which rom this is for certain

lodgenet rom

[magic cove]

OMG thank you!

[mild ether]

woops

The rest of my patches I thing are in my mister in a arcade cabinet.

[magic cove]

awesome, I've patched the rom 😄

[lone geyser]

Pokemon never used IR for trading Pokemon, but they have used it several times for other peripherals and stuff

[latent dagger]

Weird. I distinctly remember using the IR port to connect and do stuff wirelessly

And not for a mystery gift. I never did that ever.

Mandela effect for real right now lol.

[lone geyser]

Did you play the GBC TCG game? I think that one had IR trades for cards

[zinc dew]

Pokémon Gold / Silver has IR trading

Can even do IR to the pokewalker

Had to keep it completely still

[lone geyser]

I'm pretty confident that IR was limited to Mystery Gift in Gen II

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Infrared

(I know all this because I grew up in a really rural area and no one had a link cable. We tried everything to trade Pokemon)

[zinc dew]

Oh was it just items

I used it for the pokewalker lol

Pikachu mini

I wish I still had mine 😢

[lone geyser]

Never saw a Pikachu Mini IRL but the DS Pokewalker was a cool piece of kit

[thorn flax]

i gots mine and my pocket sakura

[potent stream]

Just curious why you'd want that instead of just patching the N64 core? Usamune is a really good practice rom if you're just trying to skip past things in the game faster for example

[chrome quest]

Wearing my Pokewalker right now!

[zinc dew]

omg I had no idea this existed lol

[chrome quest]

Few games using IR alright. Hard to emulate seemingly. The Pokémon Gen 2 use is fun for how complex it is to get all the items. You can use the N64 and Stadium 2 to bypass and get some by gifting with an NPC, but you'll just only ever get a fraction that way

[lament escarp]

You can also only get certain items depending on the trainer id of the other person. So you have to mystery gift with several people.

[chrome quest]

Yeah, it's really cool
https://bluemoonfalls.com/pages/general/mystery-gift

Finally had the research done to confirm some gifts are just plain impossible too

I gotta work out how to make N64 cheats. I info for what memory addresses to change to force the impossible gifts is out there

[lament escarp]

Afaik there still isn't a romhack for gsc that unlocks the decorations without mystery gift. I bugged the dev of patch crystal a little (a lot) and it's just not that easy it seems.

[chrome quest]

Would really make a fun N64 core cheat ability. SNAC with an original GSC cart even, memory address alteration to force the impossible gifts, and all the other ones regardless of TID while you're at it

[worn delta]

Really just to have all the documentation in one place, I popped in a ticket for what would be needed if anyone wanted to add Keyboard support to the core one day.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues/10

[tulip pendant]

has anyone used one of these kits with the core?

[blissful plaza]

I'm using it with the current core.
But on D-Input mode only, as the Switch mode is sometimes not recognized on my systems (or losing the connection during the game).

[tulip pendant]

so you were able to map all the buttons? For some reason the in-core mapping doesn't pickup C-Up and C-Left on mine...

(I'm also using D-input mode)

[hasty kayak]

Yes and mine won't work in S Mode. Only D Mode.

[tulip pendant]

I'll need to sync it to my PC and test the buttons there

[fair stump]

People run into this relatively often, a search of the discord may help

[blissful plaza]

If I remember well, you must map a right stick on C buttons (when defining the buttons on Mister main menu),

After that, you could use the C buttons with the core and reconfigure them.

[tulip pendant]

will try that, thanks

[lament escarp]

The switch mode works as well but needs to be paired each time you connect it. It's a driver thing that sadly hasn't been solved yet.

[tulip pendant]

any benefit to using that mode? Latency?

[hidden bolt]

If anyone wants to try, here is a patch for the NTSC .z64 release version of Conker's Bad Fur Day. I haven't been able to crash the patched game on the regular core. Played for 4 hours, also tried out some problem areas that normally crash.

[lament escarp]

Rumble and the c buttons are actually recognized as buttons, so you can press opposite ones at the same time, doom 64 needs that for example. Dunno bout latency.

[tulip pendant]

interesting

[lament escarp]

Thank you, will definitely try it on the weekend. Is this part of vges effort or did you come up with it in your own?

[hidden bolt]

No, this is my own patch

[lament escarp]

Amazing. @cerulean elk talk to this guy and combine your knowledge!

What exactly did you change in the patch? There are so many theories on why it crashes.

[hidden bolt]

The game uses the TLB to refill instruction code, when the TLB exception occurs a PI DMA loads the data from the cart. The game then replaces a previous block of used memory with this new data. I removed this part and just copy the data sequentially to the expansion pack ram. And then when the ram is full, loop around to the beginning of ram and invalidate cache.

[lament escarp]

So it's basically expansion pack enabled 😅 this sounds really amazing and exciting.

[brisk edge]

woah, that's awesome news

[desert crow]

nice going, after this has been tested a little more make sure Rob sees this. I think he'll be interested too

[cerulean elk]

Well shit…that’s what I was working on lol

@hidden bolt I’m gonna dm you

[lament escarp]

Yeah, been thinking of pinging him but let's let awbacon do the testing first.

[lament escarp]

It might still be a good idea that you coordinate the testing again.

[cerulean elk]

@hidden bolt I tried to DM you. Accept the friend request. Want to chat since I had just started what I presume you finished

[cerulean elk]

Yes I’ll handle it like last time. It’s funny I was just starting this process and was going to do a new video explaining it since the conclusion was it was not freeing up memory blocks and the game was trying to read/write from allocated ram and it was just a sequencing problem

[lament escarp]

Would similar solutions work with jfg and resi2?

[hidden bolt]

I had DM's disabled but I think they should be enabled now

[dusty tusk]

Do jfg and re2 use the expansion pak? If not could be free real estate

[cerulean elk]

No clue on if either are due to the same problem 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lament escarp]

Resi2 does for a high res mode it seems. But Robert mentioned the possibility to raise available ram to 16mb if required. But it's wild speculation on wether that would help.

[cerulean elk]

gonna capture now

initial tests...do video tomorrow, get more people testing

I may push todays video from 4 and run Conker at 5....get a lot of eyes on testing

or still target 4...turn and burn

[eternal ravine]

Milk that squirrel for all it can give you

[cerulean elk]

I am just glad to help

[lament escarp]

I am just glad to play conker the way nature intended, on mister.

[blissful plaza]

I can't break the game anymore.

I've tried many scenes where we could crash the game before and insisting on them, trying and retrying.
No crash at all anymore.

We are onto something here.

[cerulean elk]

Same. Vid at 4. I really rocked it quick

all my crash guaranteed areas on the normal code passed the tests every time

Ruleset did it smarter than me...I was starting to patch the game to force it to stop fragmenting memory address spacing to free up larger contiguous blocks in the first 4MB. He just slammed it into the additional 4MB for the expansion pack

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew can you pin this please. Gonna be a lot of people looking for it at 4 CST today

or @twin barn

[languid dune]

Damn, gotta test this one!

[cerulean elk]

Vid at 4 but so far…banger

[cerulean elk]

I am just glad as a community we were able to figure this shit out...and now I hope to never see that shit eating squirrel again (but maybe I will look at JFG)

[chrome quest]

Has conker met his match!?

[cerulean elk]

seems to be so...will have a LOT more testing going on soon...vid in 4 min

but in all my "guaranteed to crash" spots on the normal core...nothing

could need more fixes. Been chatting with Ruleset. Gonna need a lot more data if anything comes up but like the first four videos I will cobble it all together if necessary

I am just glad he posted the patch as Ive been working on stuff since Monday just in a more complicated manner that was just targeting the initial 4MB of stock RAM vs the expansion pak

[chrome quest]

Amazing stuff. Will start hitting F5 in anticipation

[cerulean elk]

moving the patch closer up just for 4PM since Robby has forsaken me and not showed up to pin it

Dang it @zinc dew

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/Q2Uk3W2jRuU

loose

[neat sierra]

OH GOD WHERES ROBBY

[cerulean elk]

thanks @hidden bolt

[blissful plaza]

Thank you @hidden bolt
I've tried most of the chapters with my complete save coming from my original cart, no crash detected so far on the last 2 hours of testing.

[chrome quest]

Thank you indeed very much @hidden bolt

[languid dune]

@hidden bolt is the champion we deserve.

[cerulean elk]

he saved me a ton of work lolol

[languid dune]

He has ensured that we can have more VGE content. A true fan.

Not like a fake fan like me.

[cerulean elk]

well go watch and comment...juice the views so we get more testers

I am just glad all my research and theory crafting proved correct

[languid dune]

Hey, I made the first comment! Even beat my arch nemesis for that first comment!

[neat sierra]

What other games crash?

[compact depot]

WTF is that a joke???

Core is now complete if that’s true

[languid dune]

On the normal non-turbo core, Resident Evil and Wonder Project J2 both have crashing issues.

[cerulean elk]

no joke, go watch

[languid dune]

On turbo, they are much better.

[neat sierra]

The joke was him saying it was one of the best games on N64

[languid dune]

Jet Force Gemini is the big final boss though.

[cerulean elk]

I am not looking at that for at least a few weeks

[languid dune]

Though if I'm being completely honest, I can totally go without JFG. 😅
But it's still something that would be great to get working!

[spare meadow]

Thank you so much! Can’t wait to get home to test it out! Hope you find some space in your heart to release a pach for RE 2 and JFG too😂

[languid dune]

Oh yeah, Battle for Naboo is another one with issues still.

[chrome quest]

Or join me, with the dark side (... PAL Games...) we can rule the galaxy!

[cerulean elk]

zero interest for me there if I am being honest

I gotta see if JFG has a crash handler that spits out data

[dawn halo]

I experienced crashing with RE2 in turbo as well using Claire. To my knowledge Awbacon was able to get through Leon's scenario in RE2 without issues, perhaps some of the knowledge from the Conker fix can be helpful in this regard if the issues are the same, which seems unknown

and this is all awesome work you guys.

[languid dune]

I'm not a huge fan of either game honestly.

Though Battle for Naboo is probably the better game in my opinion.

[compact depot]

@wanton sun is this something that could be done/fixed from the core side?

@hidden bolt you are awesome!!!!!

[hidden bolt]

I don´t actually know if the problem is with the memory allocation or if it is something else that was incidentally fixed by this patch. the memory allocation isn´t something that can be changed in the core.

[cerulean elk]

Not core side. The core can’t tell a game to read/write from the 4MB expansion. That’s done in the game code

[zinc dew]

lol I have a meeting in 6 minutes I'm prepping for

[languid dune]

Robby is here to save the day!

[cerulean elk]

If we needed MORE than 8MB the core could be expanded for 16MB but otherwise the fix is in the game

[empty cliff]

omg this conker news

[zinc dew]

you're a conker news

gottem

[cerulean elk]

“The Texas Council for Propane and Propane Accessories”

[empty cliff]

could this work on other broken games?

and.. where can I get this patch haha

[zinc dew]

check the pins

[empty cliff]

jet force gemini?

thankyou v. muchly

[cerulean elk]

Best to not jump to any conclusions. Each freeze is it’s own case and it’s highly likely each freezing game is from a wholly unique issue

Best to look at each game from a case by case basis and go from there

[empty cliff]

btw, what was the verdict on gauntlet, it works on latest turbo code or someone fixed it?

[zinc dew]

I think we all want Jet Force Gemini until we play it and realize the horrible truth about collecting all the tribals

[empty cliff]

yeah that part is really not good

[languid dune]

You're a wholly unique issue.
How was my Robby impression?

[empty cliff]

cheatcode plz

[cerulean elk]

I’ll look at JFG next. I just need to see if I can get crash data out as that is what mattered for Conker

[potent stream]

@hidden bolt do you have a patreon? Been loving the pwm core and now this? I owe you money

[empty cliff]

vge I didn't realise you were such a boss

I thought you were just a contentlord I didn't know you were a ram lord

[cerulean elk]

Lol @zinc dew you got dms off again? Fine. I won’t thank you

[zinc dew]

yeah, I closed down

sorry

[empty cliff]

which version is it based off, ntsc 1.0?

I have still never managed to finish conker

last time I played was maybe... 2010 and I got past the caveman area

[cerulean elk]

Yes standard ntsc retail

[empty cliff]

hahaha

[dusty tusk]

You're in luck. Game has a crash debugger and debug menu via cheat code.
https://youtu.be/aMY8k1N2vdU

[empty cliff]

what else was not working, battle for naboo?

[glass walrus]

what util to patch ips?

[hidden bolt]

nah, I have just been trying to fix the few shortcomings of mister that bugged me personally

[cerulean elk]

https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

[cerulean elk]

I’m glad the same issue bugged us both lol

[cerulean elk]

Feel free to send $420.69 to my patreon

[iron trail]

@cerulean elk @hidden bolt ❤️

And of course, @wanton sun ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[empty cliff]

unbelievably dope work guys, well done

[empty cliff]

I never played but it was rated ridiculously highly by the n64 magazine I used to read growing up

so there might be more to it

[fossil sonnet]

Please pin Ruleset's original post.

[shut heath]

Great news about the Conker patch. Just tried it and went straight to level skip, “it’s war” chapter, “casualty dept”. The scene with the Gatling gun always locked up without fail. Completely stable now. Amazing work fixing this, thanks.

[cerulean elk]

The patch is pinned. Robby pinned it

[cerulean elk]

Hurray!

[fossil sonnet]

Looks like he pinned your post?

[cerulean elk]

Should be fine. It’s the same file

[compact depot]

So glad that conker has finally been conkered!

[desert crow]

Robby will fix it later, he's a very good pinner but he's in a doom meeting right now.

[compact depot]

meeting is always the best excuse for lame mods

[fossil sonnet]

I'm sure Robby will fix. Ruleset's post have more context and he freaking made it

[eternal ravine]

Does the expansion pack hold the key to all N64 mysteries

[eternal ravine]

All mods are lame

What, are you Pro Mod or something

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340

[cerulean elk]

Lol well aren’t we a stickler for minor details. Guess I didn’t do shit round here 🤣

[eternal ravine]

The fans, they are fickle

[compact depot]

This should be pinned as well

[compact depot]

pr4m0d yeah

[cerulean elk]

Too adult. Talking about loads

[compact depot]

MARS wen

[eternal ravine]

THIS is the question

It will run N64 at 100 FPS

[compact depot]

Not today 😢

[eternal ravine]

Based on my napkin math

OK, looks like Awbacon has pegged the patch

[fossil sonnet]

Ha! 100% USDA Certified YouTuber here lolol

[potent stream]

Don't need mars just need @ruleset

[cerulean elk]

It should be pegging not pinning

Let’s call discord

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-good-job-gif-14866698

[cerulean elk]

You forgot Prime

[fossil sonnet]

I have no idea what that mean but ok lol

[eternal ravine]

Organic

[potent stream]

Forgot Dre

[eternal ravine]

Free range

[fossil sonnet]

Oh duh lol

[cerulean elk]

The good shit

[fossil sonnet]

Grass fed

[cerulean elk]

Up on Wisconsin they are still grading squirrel meat I hear @languid dune

USDA Grade B Wormy Squirrel

[ripe cargo]

Anyone tried the patch on the Uncensored Conker rom?

[eternal ravine]

Yeah I need to try that patch out

[cerulean elk]

Not me

[spare meadow]

Same thing here. Got a lot of freezing playing RE 2 with both Leon and Claire even with the turbo core. It would be a dream if we got a patch for this game too

[vapid moat]

Conker got a memory reallocation patch??

[zinc dew]

It's in the pins

[cerulean elk]

The nuts were shuffled and the squirrel is happy

[vapid moat]

@hidden bolt

[cerulean elk]

It’s not nice to post personal photos of @brisk drum

[brisk drum]

Don’t drag me into this … you don’t want this heat bro

[cerulean elk]

I bring the lava and you know it

[brisk drum]

Aight … you wanna get buck son ?

ME N YOU FIGHTCADE RN!

Wanna know the reason why no one is working or even wants to work on a 3DO core ?

BECAUSE IT SUCKS!

[magic girder]

Woah, Conker is fixed!? (@cerulean elk did you try my haunted save? If not, is there a way we can convert it to this version of the game, since that seems a pretty reproducible crash?)

[cerulean elk]

Yes tested it. Twas fine

[magic girder]

Sweet! Nice!

[cerulean elk]

I just gave it a few hours in the background. It’s just Conker. Nothing interesting has happened that shouldn’t happen so far

[magic girder]

Looks like I’ll finally finish Conker this weekend then 😄

[cerulean elk]

3DO is king

[languid dune]

We're beefy country!

[cerulean elk]

Your momma beefy

(I love how this Conker stuff just devolves into us being stupid at the same time)

[languid dune]

She requires a beefy package. You failed the test.

[cerulean elk]

Nothing can ever be 100% serious here

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I couldn’t fit. Too wide

[languid dune]

Then it would fit!

[cerulean elk]

Lol remind me never to hire you to see if a couch will get through a door then

[magic girder]

Aw, geez

[eternal ravine]

I'm about to sell my only 3DO
I even recapped the ODD
It's the JP FZ-1 with the "240p switch"

[languid dune]

Nah, I meant the entrance was too wide for that needle.

[magic girder]

So now JFG is the “final boss”?

[eternal ravine]

Jank Force Gemini

[magic girder]

Although I personally have no desire to play it, based on what I read about it 😄

[eternal ravine]

I'd cheat through just to see the graphics

[magic girder]

Conker was the main thing I wanted to try, so if the patch does fix all the crashes, I’m over the moon

[languid dune]

Save every single Mogwai or else!

[magic girder]

I still haven’t finished OoT on the core yet 😦

[brisk drum]

I’ll give you about treee fiddy ..

[magic girder]

(Further with Conker than I am with OoT)

[cerulean elk]

Mahjong

I’ll start digging into JFG after July 4th. But I’ve got other shit to get done and we have a blowout party on the 4th

[magic girder]

What happened on the 4th?

😏

[languid dune]

My birthday!

[magic girder]

In case I don’t remember - happy birthday! 🙂

[languid dune]

He is my dad ||(the long running inside joke)||, so naturally he would be throwing a party for me on that day.

[magic girder]

I guess that would make sense

[cerulean elk]

Conker shaped cake

With his nuts out

[chilly flame]

I cant seem to get the turbo core to load it just black screens

[brisk drum]

That’s because you are from the moon!

https://tenor.com/view/athf-aqua-teen-hunger-force-err-mooninites-gif-17599895726608772916

Try resetting the mister through the button on your Mister after you load the core

[chilly flame]

ill give a try

[brisk drum]

Than open your OSD manually

[chilly flame]

no luck

does the turbo core need to be on the unstable build ?

[brisk drum]

Nope

[chilly flame]

or does the turbo core need its own folder in games ?

[brisk drum]

I just dropped it in the MRA’s folder

[chilly flame]

like the bio is not loading

nvm I got it to work

[storm vessel]

@cerulean elk @hidden bolt nice work gents 🍻

[cerulean elk]

Happy to do my part

I do like puzzles

[storm vessel]

Data puzzles got to be the highest level eh?

[spare meadow]

This patch works with the betas versions too?

[cerulean elk]

No clue. Probably not

The patch will target memory addresses in the rom and patch in hex. So the beta would def not have the same structure

[cerulean elk]

Security puzzles. Arcade protection. Those are my fav

[placid vapor]

Thanks to @cerulean elk and everyone else involved for all the hard work.
Y'all banging your heads against these things to make a better experience for everyone else is the work of good people.

[zinc dew]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-nod-cowboy-stare-dead-eye-gif-5568984

[cerulean elk]

I’m just glad people can conk it up and @hidden bolt got a patch done. @lament escarp helped a lot in the testing phase as did many others

@zinc dew helped too. Sent me bbq from Texas to keep my strength up

Imma take a look at JFG but after July 4th

Dude named rageypoo tested a ton as well for me but I guess he’s not in here

[foggy cape]

This conker news is amazing. Gonna do a full play-through myself for "testing" purposes lol

Thank you everyone involved!

[blazing knot]

Soo, I may have run into an issue on Conker 😔 Had the game lock up when I went to the top of Poo Mountain. Music kept playing and it happened after I did a backflip so the helicopter tail sound keeps playing

Literally just happened so haven’t seen if I can recreate it

[cerulean elk]

Interesting. I know Conker CAN freeze on real hardware too in weird edge cases

Run it again @blazing knot and see what happens

[blazing knot]

Nope didn’t happen this time, got up to the top with the money wad. Weird

Was playing all the way up to that point and had zero issues

This is on the stock core as well

[cerulean elk]

Aberration at best so far then

[past mango]

Anyone happen to know why Zelda 64 randomizer might be showing a black screen? Says it can't autodetect it in the database, so I assume some special settings need to be set before loading?

[blazing knot]

As an aside, I’m getting weird popping sounds at random intervals. It’s been a while since I last played conker but I don’t think those are supposed to happen.

Don’t think it’s my soundbar because I didn’t have this on other n64 games

This is Direct Video into a RT4K

[foggy cape]

I'm not getting those noises. I'm on turbo core

[blazing knot]

So far I’ve really only noticed it during cutscenes. And it’s not the same each time either, when I died on the segment after the next time that scene played there were less pops

[foggy cape]

Oh well go figure, I just heard them on the next cutscene. Not nearly as loud as yours sounded though.

[blazing knot]

Had a tiny bit here but not as bad

[blazing knot]

That makes me feel a little better than that it’s not just me

[foggy cape]

Yeah yours are crazy loud. Mine are barely noticeable. I had to turn up the volume

[cerulean elk]

No that can happen too at random

[blazing knot]

Oh even on real hardware?

[cerulean elk]

Although that’s super loud

[cerulean elk]

Yes I had one or two pops in my captures. But much quieter

Maybe your sound system interpreting something wrong?

[foggy cape]

Maybe the tink is exaggerating them

[cerulean elk]

The segment in tomorrows June news is gonna be funny when it’s the two minute segment on “Conker isn’t done yet” 🤣

[blazing knot]

Could be. Everything else on the core has sounded fine

[foggy cape]

The fact that i have been playing it and it hasn't frozen yet is amazing on it's own. My favorite game 😁

[cerulean elk]

Onto JFG!

[lament escarp]

Hope someone fixes it before you can just to mess with you 😋

[cerulean elk]

Oh no I prefer that 🤣

I would have taken months. I can’t dedicate more than like half an hour a day to that stuff

Two vids a day plus normal work plus life stuff = slow VGE

I do the research. I compile the info. I find the fault. Someone is always welcome to take that and finish it

All I give a shit about is helping do cool stuff for everyone

[lament escarp]

Just like birdy. The best character in the game. ❤️

[turbid warren]

but he hasn't got a beard 🤔

[cerulean elk]

I mean Ive still got a PILE of sensors for Konami Viper shitt. Trying to figure out how the board exactly sees X/Y/X coordinates and how to use a wiimote to do it...and thats been a YEAR since I started

[warped cobalt]

Is this patched Conker a patched beta version or a patched retail version?

[foggy cape]

I used the retail rom

[warped cobalt]

Ah ok. I thought this method only works with the beta.

[foggy cape]

I actually think this patch only works with the retail

[strange copper]

Thank you @hidden bolt and @cerulean elk for your efforts!!

[zinc dew]

You need to add it to a custom database in order for the core to know what CIC to apply. Create a custom database by naming a txt file “N64_database_user.txt”

There’s already another database in your N64 folder so open it to see how Ocarina of Time is implemented. Follow the same format in your custom database. The MD5 checksum of your Zelda 64 randomizer is needed.

[mellow raft]

oh god why was an ips patch used lol

bps at least! ips doesn't verify the hash prior to patching :S

so it could patch bad dumps and you wouldn't know!

[zinc dew]

Oh so that’s the difference

So many different rom patching formats, I just figure people are being picky but hey they patched the rom, I won’t complain what format they use.

[mellow raft]

yeah the community has tried to move away from ips for that reason

People could come back to the author and say "it's not working" and the author wouldn't know they used a bad dump or the wrong data layout

The N64 ESPECIALLY

there's 3 types of data layouts for N64 dumps: big endian, little endian, and byte swapped, and all of them are valid dumps... the data is just arranged differently. 7 years ago, No-Intro was using byte-swapped! They moved to Big-Endian later which is the native code order on the N64.

IPS won't be able to tell the difference, so you could end up with something very bad

So someone could search up "no-intro conker" and get an old 2017 No-Intro approved dump which is not the right one

I would hope nobody actually does that, but just saying this is why the community tries to not use IPS, because the N64 of all consoles has so many varieties of dumps

[nova grotto]

does anyone know what's the SHA-1 for the conkers patched game ? My is not working in my mister

[mellow raft]

Conker's Bad Fur Day (USA).z64 : 4cbadd3c4e0729dec46af64ad018050eada4f47a
CRC32: CE8CC172

I made a BPS patch and sent it over. I don't want to share something that isn't my work without it being checked by the people that have put all the testing into this 🙂

All you do to make a patch, is patch the rom with the .ips patch... then you use FLIPS, add the UNMODIFIED rom AND the already patched rom, and it does a difference check then builds a BPS patch FROM the difference

Essentially it's impossible for it to be any different bit for bit from what the IPS would do.

[nova grotto]

What is a BPS patch ? Which benefits does it have instead of using a ips patch ?

[nova grotto]

Thanks buddy now the game boots it was that I was using the wrong ROM I guess not all versions (uncensored , european etc) works right now with the current patch

I have one more question , there's a "INSERT RUMBLE PAK" warning even though in Mister OSD in PAD 1 Type I'm already using the option RumblePAK is that expected ?

[mellow raft]

IPS cannot do any kind of patching but simple bit for bit patching I believe

Only dynamic patching utilities can do more advanced detections of in-place patches of partial data

[zinc dew]

What are your thoughts on xdelta

[mellow raft]

Well.... look at it this way Robby... there is one use for IPS

When you want a patch to work for multiple roms, or patching on top of OTHER hacks, you need a patch that does not check for a hash.... but ruleset may not have built his patch to be able to work for everything. Patchers that use IPS intentionally know that the areas they patch are the same across all versions

I'm not sure this will work like that.

[zinc dew]

That makes sense, thank you for explaining it

[mellow raft]

tbh I'm not really sure what xdelta does differently. But I know it's usually intended for cd-image based media

I think IPS essentially works by the author telling what addresses to replace with what bytes. And that's pretty much all it can do

xdelta I think can do more advanced patching

[zinc dew]

Yeah I’ve only seen it for disc images, was curious if there was an alternative considering it’s so ubiquitous

[wanton sun]

thanks @hidden bolt for the patch! From your description it reads as if maybe the tlb instruction or the PI DMA are the issue. Or it's just timing and luck, so the critical section that crashed before is now executed at a different time. Would be great if we could find the root cause from this patch, but i'm not sure if it's easy and how many attemps it would take. Also a lot of testing unfortunatly, as it happens so rare and with each change possibly at different spots....so maybe we have to live with the patch for the time being

[mellow raft]

Well, Sega patcher was made for Sega Saturn. I think it's the same kind of CD patching, but the point of it is, since Saturn images have the same data in parts, it can add extra optional patches on top of it that should work for any game

Also there was PPF used for CD images too @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

Yeah, not a fan of having to use a completely custom patcher just for Saturn games.

[mellow raft]

I think it was done so users didn't have to manually patch each individual track. Or it could also detect when the tracks are merged and STILL patch successfully. Saves a lot of human error.

The PS1 didn't have the multitrack issue because usually most multitrack games had only audio data on tracks besides track 1. So all you usually had to patch was the first track

Saturn games have the data across multiple tracks more often I think

[zinc dew]

Ohhh, ok that makes sense. That’s definitely convenient.

I mean beggars can’t be choosers so I use the patching software anyways haha.

[mellow raft]

Hahaha

[zinc dew]

Thank you for your detailed explanations, very kind of you

[mellow raft]

When you've surrounded yourself with people that have put together the HTGDB packs for 7 years I guess you learn a lot haha

[nova grotto]

Sorry my bad I was thinking about the rumble pak as the expansion pak (english is not my mother tongue) xD

For a momento I forgot what rumble was

[foggy cape]

I just had my first game crash after the first cutscene with the catfish. Played for over 2 hours on turbo core without a crash though, which is pretty amazing.

[storm vessel]

Do we still need to add that to the game list for the core? Or is that obsolete now?

[mellow raft]

IDK it detected it correctly already for me lol

[storm vessel]

I haven’t added a game or done any updates in a long time so it’s all good 😉

[mellow raft]

The N64-database used to be hash-only. It was later updated to also support the game ID's present in the roms

So I think that the game ID was left intact in this one 😉

[storm vessel]

Good news then 👍
Gotta remember to use the right ROM and should be cake then

[mellow raft]

yeah it can recognize a lot of hacks out of the box now, as long as they don't mangle the ID. Some need different settings based on hash though, since I think some heavily changed hacks change accessories or CIC chips, etc

[storm vessel]

Maybe the Zelda randomizer or some other hacks would need to be added in the game database then?

Haven’t tried but if I had to guess.

[mellow raft]

nope. Hacks rarely change the ID to be honest

I'd expect that's the case with the randomizer

There's no reason for a hacker to change it tbh

It's just an identifier

[storm vessel]

Gotcha. Are there any hacked games that you know of?

That did that

[mellow raft]

no but you'll know when you try to boot it as it will tell you there's no entry

I've yet to find one tbh

lol

[storm vessel]

Well yeah

👍

I think the game database no load thing happened to me a bunch of times early in core development

[mellow raft]

I haven't been looking for that in particular though

Yeah that was when it was hash-only

[storm vessel]

There we go

[mellow raft]

Ever since the game ID was implemented, that became mostly an issue of the past

I say mostly because I expect SOME hacks have been found

But I never came across any myself haha

The database hasn't been updated since April 9th, if that gives you any understanding of how little it needs updates xD

The nice thing is the core supports a N64-database_user.txt next to the N64-database.txt file

You can put your own personal entries there so an update_all doesn't overwrite your changes to the main file 😉

[storm vessel]

Only did that for a few patches games but never touched since 🤷‍♂️

[hidden bolt]

The reason I was looking at PI DMAs in the first place was because I saw the issue mentioned in a few emulator github pages. It seems adding random timings to the PI DMAs could cause the game to crash which would line up with the limitations of the de-10 nano ram.
Looking at the code however shows the game waits for the DMA to complete and has interrupts disabled, also adding a intentional wait during this time does not cause the game to crash.
All the other PI DMAs are related to the sound and music which can be disabled without affecting stability. The game also regularly loads data through direct PI reads but waits for any PI DMAs to complete before doing this.
So I don´t really know what would be going wrong with PI DMAs.

But since this patch seems to greatly improve stability I guess it does have something to do with these DMAs, whether it really is a memory allocation issue or something else. The patch does remove a TLBP and TLBWI instruction so there could be a bug with those but looking at the core I can´t find anything obvious.

[mossy needle]

Conker Uncensored with patch works as well.

No crashed so far at all the known places up to bees

This makes me so happy

Thank you for all your work

[hidden bolt]

I am kinda surprised about that, the n64 does some sort of checksum before boot which needs to be recalculated when the rom changes. So this checksum should be different for modded roms

[mossy needle]

That's what I thought too

But I was curious and it works

Nintendo can't tell me which words I can and cannot hear their characters say

[quasi storm]

Just a tangent, weren't the bleeps baked in to the audio on Xbox?

[mossy needle]

I dont know but thats top bad if so

Too bad!

[quasi storm]

I thought I remembered balking at that back in the day: There's more swearing in the NINTENDO version?!

More words were bleeped, and I thought they were baked in second time around.

[mossy needle]

The Xbox version was definitely more censored

[quasi storm]

But, I digress. Good to see everyone again, by the way 😄

[mossy needle]

But I don't know if it's baked in

Yeah its great to see all the new people and the people here from the beginning still involved

[strange copper]

Could this technique be applied to other games that don't work? JFG? Battle for Naboo?

[mossy needle]

Perhaps. People did care much more about Conker not working. Someone would have to do the work

Maybe that's all it takes

[lament escarp]

Could the conker patch be adopted for the prototype to get more info?

[mossy needle]

No crashes at all found between beginning and poo in consensored so far

[vapid hawk]

pwm and now a patch for conker? Ruleset gunning hard for best new deveoper 2024

also though, if this patch works maybe rob can glean some additional insight as to why the core crashes without it

[compact depot]

He kinda already said if the root cause is not found, we’ll have to live with the patch (which is not bad at all anyways)

[vapid hawk]

i mean yeah thats absolutely fine and already beyond my wildest dreams dont get me wrong 😄

[compact depot]

Never did

This is pure awesomeness

[vapid hawk]

does that just leave JFG?

[compact depot]

And naboo and re2 I believe

[vapid hawk]

ah yeah

still, very very cool

are we going to have a channel for test builds of robs GBA game? i miss y'all !

[mossy needle]

Found my first crash with the uncensored rom on Conker

Music is still happening

Restarted and it didn't happen again

[versed cairn]

Oh wow same spot as this one

[hidden bolt]

Yeah that seems interesting, I can have a look at what happens there later.

I had a quick look in an emulator and there happen about 40 PI DMAs all at once there, so maybe the expansion pack ram overflows and the patch isn't handling that correctly.

[mossy needle]

Everything between then and the annoying diving part is fine though. Cogs I found no problems or crashes

Water seems to be a pain for this game

I'm going to bed I'm tired

[compact depot]

Have we found a consistent way to crash it? Maybe that helps on the root cause investigation!

Oh, it doesn’t crash the second time

Let’s double the expansion pack ram and call it a day 😆

@hidden bolt do you think the original issue could be related to how the core handles multiple PI DMA happening at the same time?

[hidden bolt]

I think every time a there is PI DMA there is a chance that it crashes, so if there are many DMA's, there is a high chance of crashing. But i can recreate the crash on patched rom in emulator so the problem is with ram overflowing not handled correctly in this patch. Not sure how to fix yet but the problem does seem similar to the original bug, which is interesting.

[compact depot]

Wondering if a savestate before that spot crashing for the first time makes it consistently reproducible

[cerulean elk]

@mellow raft made a BPS patch for Conker and sent it to me overnight too. So we have options. For today maybe we just leave the IPS patch so we know everyone is on the same files?

[foggy cape]

Same spot mine crashed in. That's a good sign I think, since it can be reproduced.

[mellow raft]

Well, the reason I made the BPS is it will actually MAKE SURE people are on the same files. The BPS I made creates the same bit for bit rom as the IPS (The hash is the exact same every time. Impossible otherwise).

The IPS will not check if the input rom is actually the proper dump though. The BPS will make sure the user is using the proper dump to create the rom.

If the Hash of the rom you used successfully matches the one my BPS makes then... it's the same patch 😉

I didn't do any hacking work of my own here. IPS and BPS patches are made the same way. You take the unmodified rom and the already patched rom, and then create a "patch" file that compares the differences between the two, and then outputs a file tha will always turn someone's unmodified rom into the same data as the original patched rom.

Ruleset didn't make the IPS file by hand. He made it the same way I made the BPS. He worked on the rom itself, then created an IPS that compared the difference of his hacked rom with the unmodified rom, and spat out the IPS that would convert the unmodified to the modified. 😉

That being said, I'm ok with sticking with the IPS, especially if it's confirmed the patch works for other versions of the game. But if it only works on a good dump of the USA retail version, the BPS goes an extra step and verifies the end user is using a good dump before patching

[cerulean elk]

Post it up. May as well 🙂

[mellow raft]

FYI to users popping in, I did not handmake this patch. It is just generating the same patched rom that Ruleset made, but verifies you use a proper USA dumped rom that's Big-Endian format.

This is the rom you need to patch from the latest No-Intro:
Conker's Bad Fur Day (USA).z64
SHA1: 4cbadd3c4e0729dec46af64ad018050eada4f47a
MD5: 00e2920665f2329b95797a7eaabc2390
CRC32: CE8CC172

I don't mind answering questions, but I did not code the patch itself. 😉

[eternal island]

how has the patch been working for everyone

awbacons video called me

his youtube video called me to here*

[mellow raft]

Sorry for going hefty into this, but I am curious if @hidden bolt intended the patch to work for other versions, like other hacked roms or regions of the game. If so, then IPS is needed.

Or it could just be that it was just chosen because it's familiar which is OK. If it is only designed for USA retail, I wanted to make sure the patch verifies the dump is correct before patching was all. I thought it might serve to reduce user error. 😉

[eternal island]

i did in no way video call with videogameerotica

[cerulean elk]

For now I’m just collecting data on retail. Don’t want more variables

[cerulean elk]

Hahaha

[eternal island]

has there been any crashes

i couldnt get it to crash at my usual spot

i tried for an hour

playing through on turbo core and regular

want to know if there is any part i should especially watch out for

[mellow raft]

I haven't seen a crash. I believe it was stated by VGEsoterica that they can't find a point it crashes. All the normal ones don't seem to crash like it did before

[eternal island]

i read up in chat here, were the crashes reported for the uncensored unpatched version?

[mellow raft]

That user wasn't crashing. It just wasn't working, but they were trying to use the patch on a hacked version of the game. I don't think the patch will work on anything but the USA retail dump of Conker

[cerulean elk]

I went to all my consistent spots. Nothing

And yes all I am interested in is retail rom reports

[eternal island]

i love u all for making conker play

so much

its my favorite n64 game

[hidden bolt]

I think the remaining crashed are when the expansion ram overflows, so that would likely be after playing for a long time

[mellow raft]

I expect that would take leaving the game on for over a day or more though haha

[eternal island]

oddly enough, i ran into that in mupen too

[cerulean elk]

the few isolated ones do seem to be "after multiple hours"

[eternal island]

playing gor a long time led to random jank happening

then crash

[foggy cape]

My patched game crashed in the same exact spot as another user in this discord yesterday. Using retail rom. About 2 hours of consistent gameplay up to that point.

[hidden bolt]

were you playing the game for a long time? like 1 hour+?

[foggy cape]

Yeah just edited that in. About 2 hours

[cerulean elk]

lol Conker vid is currently the most disliked percentage wise of June. Nice 🤣

[neat sierra]

People hate conker is the conclusion

They are mad you can play now when it should have been left buried in their minds. You delved too deep

[cerulean elk]

lol any video like this gets more dislikes. Castlevania: The Arcade release? dislikes. Akuma Mortis Immortal? Dislikes! 3DO M2 software releases? Dislikes 😆

[wispy peak]

I do a conker run through once a year

gotta keep it fresh in the mind you know

[mellow raft]

For me it's Sly 2: Band of Thieves

[storm vessel]

Weird. I've never disliked a video, only liked or been indifferent to not hit like.

[mellow raft]

I only dislike when the advice is actually harmful

Like if it's telling you to do something that will likely end in the user damaging something

And I mean the entire video. One tidbit of wrong information among many good information obviously is different.

I more meant if the entire purpose of the video is for you to install something that's malware.... yeah I'm gonna dislike the video lol

[cerulean elk]

People just do it for the laughs. They think it affects things. It does not lol

[mellow raft]

Welcome to the internet

[cerulean elk]

Now that Conker and news are out I can work on what will be my biggest video of 2024…”collecting Japanese big box pc games” 🤣

[mellow raft]

You shall influence core devs to get their asses on the X68K core!

Oddly, there was a X68K core update posted on the MiSTer forums recently... Just had a few more things fixed but it wasn't pushed to the Github. Seems Puu occasionally touches on it...

But the sad part is that the mt32-pi addition wasn't made by Puu. That got coded in by one of the people here. @woeful grove maybe? So they'd have to redo that, but it needs the source code first 😛

Ideally it'd be best for Puu to push the code changes to Github first then a PR made for the mt32-pi to be put back in

[burnt kelp]

Did I read that the patch works on the uncensored CBFD also?

[cerulean elk]

Presumably

[mellow raft]

If it does then the IPS patch would be needed.

[foggy cape]

Just had my second crash of the game using patched retail rom and turbo core.
As soon as I hit the guy with the frying pan.
About 2 hours of consistent gameplay.

[cerulean elk]

I am thinking at this point good advice is to save your game, reset the core in soft reset and keep playing every few hours

seems like after SO much time the chance of a freeze in the ram allocation grows

its like a bucket of water catching a leak...eventually it MAY overflow

[foggy cape]

Yeah. I mean it's not a big deal really to save once or twice every chapter or so

But it seems every two hours for me is the sweet spot

[eternal island]

wonder if this will lead to a fix on the core

[magic girder]

It’s just Robert’s way of taking care of our health. Gotta take a break every now and then

[woeful grove]

yeh I added it

[cerulean elk]

Ok if anyone wants to help with JFG and debug data collection DM me

[timber lodge]

please can you create a patch for a spanish translated version?

[cerulean elk]

I’m not personally going to start til after the holiday but I can get people setup with what files to use / how to activate debugger data : how to get me the proper data to sift through

[timber lodge]

If apply your patch in the translated rom is not work

the translation patch is: https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2940/

[cerulean elk]

You’d have to ask @hidden bolt and remember to ask nicely 🙂

[timber lodge]

yes i try to do my best but english is not my native languaje

Hi @hidden bolt, please can you port your patch to the spanish translated rom? the patch for translate the rom is here: https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2940/

I would be very grateful

[cerulean elk]

FYI I’ve been playing Conker today on an off between voice overs for other stuff. Hour to two hours here and there. Zero freezing, half way through game no issues

[wanton sun]

that sounds like your copy loop might just make the copy timing more predictable with the DDR3, because it averages more with single transfers

[cerulean elk]

It’s interesting that slight unpredictability in the timings is all it takes. Rare must have had Conker running up to the bleeding edge of working. Because I know you can freeze a retail cart on multiplayer after so many hours. Rare (pun not intended) but something that can happen

[wanton sun]

i'm 99% sure that if the random ddr3 latency would not be there, the crashes would be either gone or fully reproducible and easy fixable

i mean, of course they would be fully reproducible if there is no randomness in the execution of the core 🙂

well, it could still be some bug that happens earlier and leads to a crash later, then it would still be difficult to fix.

but given the random nature, it seems unlikely

[hidden bolt]

Yeah, that sound reasonable, although I am still curious what the actual bug in the conker code is, maybe I will look at it again sometime.

Also here is the next version of the patch for anyone who wants to test. This fixes the memory overflow bug on emulator, so hopefully on Mister as well. I tried to break the game for about 90 minutes loading new areas ect. but couldn't do it.

For those curious, I now purge the entire memory map when ram overflows. This could cause a small hitch maybe every hour or so but CBFD is like 90% small hitches even in normal gameplay so I doubt you'll notice.

[wanton sun]

could you patch it that it reads the cpu cop0 counter before copy (dma or manual, doesn't matter) and wait with the continue after copy until a defined time has passed that is always large enough, so that the randomness is 100% gone?

[cerulean elk]

Rev 2. Nice. @zinc dew if you get a chance could you swap the OG for this one?

(In pins)

[hidden bolt]

yes that is a good idea I will try later

[zinc dew]

Thanks dude, appreciate you

[cerulean elk]

you are our number 1 roberator around here

[languid dune]

I can feel the love in here today.

[eternal ravine]

[zinc dew]

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade2-turters-zeke-gif-13831246

[zinc dew]

That game was so anime it was like a parody, lmao

[mellow raft]

Can't deny the writing in the franchise is good though

especially 3... holy hell

many people said that game was so emotional it changed their lives lol

[zinc dew]

I should really play it. I love Xeno 1 and 2

[mellow raft]

Play it, and then play it's DLC story. The DLC has the BEST story of the entire franchise. and it is ABSOLUTELY critical to understand everything about Xenoblade.

Do not miss it. I guarantee you won't regret playing Future Redeemed

Do NOT play it until beating 3 though

[zinc dew]

Ok sounds good

Thank you

[mellow raft]

Okay I should probably state it may not be the best story, but... well you'll see why I'm telling you to play it

[zinc dew]

Is it wacky as hell with crazy sci-fi hijinks?

If so I’m sold lol

[mellow raft]

Yes... but it's so much more than that

[mellow raft]

Did you beat them or only play them?

[blissful plaza]

One year after Mario 64-NoFace, we have Conker-NoCrash.

[zinc dew]

Played and beat 1, got right to the end of 2 and just stopped? I’m climbing some tree.

I should beat it lol

[mellow raft]

Highly recommend you do before you play 3.

[zinc dew]

Ok thank you

Will do

[languid dune]

Turters! 😍

The Xenoblade trilogy is legit my favorite RPG franchise of the last 12 years, and the best modern day RPG series. Nothing else even comes close in my opinion.

[cerulean elk]

fun keeps on coming

[languid dune]

Now if only someone would update the patch to remove Conker's face. The cycle would be complete.

[strange copper]

He has no face, yet he must conk.

[modest helm]

Just jumped in the chat and saw your video @cerulean elk. So it seems like Conker is fixed besides random crashing that occassionally happens? Is there another patch in the works that'll hopefully fix the random crashing?

By random crashing, meaning it only happens once every 4 hours or so now right?

BTW, thanks for you guys for investigating Conker. One of my all-time favorites!

[magic girder]

The crashes in the prototype build were very infrequent to the point of making the game completable, so any improvement on that is a real win 🎉

[lament escarp]

Hoo boy I bet conker is regretting the day he decided to keep crashing on the finished core now. Great to see all this progress.

[weary perch]

added the patch to the workarounds page on my testing sheet

incredible stuff 👏

[compact depot]

@foggy cape and @mossy needle when you have a time, could you both please test if this still crashed at that specific point you reported a few ago?

[blazing knot]

This might be entirely moot with your new version of the patch but wanted to let you know regardless that I had the exact same kind of lockup as the other people but in a completely different spot #1096015979055697940 message Happened right as I did a high jump at the top of poo mountain to get the cash, but wasn’t able to recreate it. That was after about 1.5-2 hours of playing continuously

[hidden bolt]

yeah that lines up with the ram overflow problem, hopefully it is fixed with this new patch

[blazing knot]

Good to know. Will be trying out the new patch this evening

[dusty tusk]

Potentially using expansion pak to stabilize timings would be such a funny way to get around crash issues

[mellow raft]

that's what the patch does?

[dusty tusk]

"that sounds like your copy loop might just make the copy timing more predictable with the DDR3, because it averages more with single transfers" - FPGAzumSpass
Potentially

[mellow raft]

you mean having the core use the expansion pak? The patch for conker released today makes the game use the expansion pak.

So I guess I'm confused what you're getting at

[dusty tusk]

I'm getting at the idea of no longer needing patches, and just utilizing something similar to hiw the expansion pak operates to get around these bugs

[mellow raft]

The thing is I think a game-level patch IS needed to support the expansion pak. It's the game's code that manages the memory, not the N64

it's engine-level work, so it'd be unique to each game

[dusty tusk]

Yes of course, but something about expansion pak being more stable could lead to a discovery elsewhere

[mellow raft]

I believe that @cerulean elk mentioned we believe we know what the actual cause is so if we could adjust the way memory is being mapped to prevent the cases Conker has of trying to access memory that is in use, then it could be fixed.

And I believe that's something they were still entertaining. The video he posted just mentioned that while he was planning on tackling this, someone else did something simpler which was to just expand the available memory. This is a bit of a "bigger bucket for a leaky faucet" scenario though, hence why it still crashes after long hours of play.

So perhaps if there's a way to actually get the proper issue fixed, which would depend on room in the core and the complexity of the fix required, then maybe we'll have Conker actually resolved

The patch that released today is not involving the research that VGEsoterica has been doing, at least to my knowledge. It's just a workaround to get the game to a more useable level. The actual patch may still yet to be realized, if it can become a thing (depends on room in the core, etc)

[cerulean elk]

Yes my idea I was noodling with was different. I’m just waiting to see if it’s at all necessary

[worn delta]

This is an interesting development, could what the patch is doing lead to a fix within the core?

[spare meadow]

Tried the new patch with conker uncensored and it doesn’t work anymore

[wanton sun]

i wasn't aware that patches to an extend like this is doing was even possible. If it is and with it the root cause (e.g. PI DMA, TLB, ...) is found, it's possible it leads to a core fix instead

still, it's very hard to verify if these or that is better if you need many hours until a crash

[mellow raft]

fortunately you have a community of insane testers here that are willing it seems haha

obviously when YOU are the one that needs to build the core fix though, I get that that's not usually something possible. You need to be able to reproduce it

[rich warren]

NES: MMC5 patches
SNES: MSU1 patches
N64: Expansion Pak patches

[cerulean elk]

I’ll never test! You can’t make me

What idiot would waste 40+ hours testing and researching a bug in one N64 game on an FPGA core. That person would have to be a loser!

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-benestad-alvesta-exam-mr-bean-exam-gif-21422908

Trust me I was worried you would think I was adding a variable converting the patch into BPS ... I really wasn't ... but it's hard to convince someone who doesn't know how IPS/BPS are made that it's gonna make the same exact rom every time xD

[magic girder]

Mr Bean. What a classic 😂

[worn delta]

Would be fun to be able to increase the ram to 16MB (and 32MB) when we have MiSTer 2 and have more space for fun features and see how games like StarCraft that can make use of more ram play. 🙂

[magic girder]

On that note: Gonna fire up my laptop and patch later. Anyone got the sha/md5sum of the patched game so I can verify? 😇

Oh, never mind. It’s BPS now

Ignore me!

[mellow raft]

CRC32: B7976E37
SHA1: 3e978846bb3ab9eab1bea30170f66570b0fa8a09

Yeah the new patch v2 was BPS now 😉

[magic girder]

Ah, thanks anyway. Still useful to verify anyhow

[mellow raft]

I believe the previous patch was reported "working" with the uncensored game, but since @cerulean elk said they're mainly concerned with the retail version, and if an ACTUAL fix can be found and placed in the core, then we don't need to worry about making individual or multipurpose patches until we know that's the only method we can take to fix this. Using BPS ensures it only patches one specific rom, and the result is the same every time, which will help to keep testing 100% the same across everyone.

[magic girder]

Found the bug. The sha1sum has eab1bea. Should be eab1bae

[mellow raft]

So... for those wanting the patch to be ported to another language, region, or hack, please refrain from asking until the testing is fully done and we find the most efficient way to have this resolved.

[magic girder]

I agree. Reducing the number of variables is the only sane thing to do here

[mellow raft]

@worn delta Think it's a good idea to pin that?

[cerulean elk]

Yes. Variables muddle things

Easier to know the true “why” on one version

[mellow raft]

Hence why I suggested BPS to ensure that 😉

[magic girder]

Sneaky

[mellow raft]

I didn't even have to tell Ruleset. Seems they got the memo haha

TBF I think I went a bit overboard trying to convince people to use BPS though :S

I didn't have to write an essay xD

[foggy cape]

Alright, just got the V2. Will begin testing!

[magic girder]

First time powering on the mister in a few weeks. Been exclusively playing handheld since my pocket arrived. Gonna enjoy checking out all the new updates

And boy are there a lot of them!

Is it better to test on the OG core rather than the Turbo? I think the original had a tendency to crash a bit more?

[cerulean elk]

OG

[magic girder]

Cheers. Will do

[mellow raft]

Well umm... I just found the perfect companion for making my MiSTer "portable" lol

Haven't tested it yet but I didn't even realize: https://www.amazon.com/NIVRANA-Battery-Pack-Oculus-Quest/dp/B08XBC111B

What I am unsure of is if it's PD

"The battery discharges through a standard USB-A port using the included USB-A to USB type-C cable, it can also discharge power through its USB type-C port and through a second USB-A port, whether individually or simultaneously.

The battery is charged through the USB type-C port. "

"Yes, if you keep the battery plugged into your Quest and connect a cable to it, you can charge both the Quest and the battery in one go!

Don't hesitate to get in touch with us if you face any issues with charging."

[vapid hawk]

they are if they're quest3 compatible it needs pd to live

[mellow raft]

Also I posted this in wrong channel lol.

[vapid hawk]

heh

[mellow raft]

Yeah this confirmed when charging it:

[vapid hawk]

you lucked out inreality this is one of the only channels i read 😄

[mellow raft]

QC/PD

[vapid hawk]

yeah i've got a quest3 with a similar battery pack thing its great

[mellow raft]

This is tiny for being 10000mAh

[hidden bolt]

I tried this, I just swapped the "wait for PI DMA to finish" loops that come before and after a TLB refill PI DMA with a loop for x amount of cycles. But it still crashes in the usual places. I tried short waits that wouldn't let the game boot, long waits that made the game slow, and a few in between. So at least for the TLB refill, DMA constant timings don't seem to make the game more stable.

[mellow raft]

But is it only gonna be PD with the type c port?

[vapid hawk]

if you don't mind, how is it you're able to edit the conker codebase? is there a decomp out now i didn't hear of ?

nobody else has seemed to gain quite this level of insight into conker so i'm very curious

it says 5v/3a on the usb-a port there thats enough for mister isnt it?

[hidden bolt]

No, PJ64 has a pretty good debugger so I just use that

[vapid hawk]

nice

[mellow raft]

https://github.com/N64Recomp

[vapid hawk]

have you looked at JFG? we think it has issues with a similar cause maybe something to learn there

[mellow raft]

There is this 😉

https://youtu.be/WK5VuOInqlg

[vapid hawk]

yeah but that doesn't spit out human readable sourcecode does it

oh sorry i only just realized you've already done a second patch heh

[hidden bolt]

Not at the code, but it seems there is a old patch for flash cards that makes it playable for a couple of minutes with the right settings, so maybe that patch just needs some modifications

[vapid hawk]

i think that one only got it from "wont boot" to "crashes near instantly" but yeah not a bad place to start looking if you're going to

it's the same developer is all so possible shared engine/techniques

[mellow raft]

It doesn't detect original function/variable names but it is useable code.

[hidden bolt]

I got past the jungle level with a ram delay of 64, you can play for a couple of minutes

[cerulean elk]

@iron escarp helped a ton with testing too...in case I forgot to tag him yesteday

[magic girder]

Ah, dammit. I can't use my guaranteed crash save file with the (patched) retail rom for Conker's 😦

Did you figure out a way to go from beta -> retail for CBFD @cerulean elk?

[cerulean elk]

no I just screwed around in that general area. Saves dont seem to work cross build

or maybe someone can unpack and repack it?

[eternal island]

which area

[magic girder]

Yeah, I was thinking of creating saves with both versions and then figuring out how the data looks, but that's probably just a nightmare

[eternal island]

my guaranteed barn crash wont crash now

[magic girder]

I had one when you collect the beehive for the second time. First time wasn't a problem, but the second time guaranteed a crash during the cut scene.

So 100% reproducible for me and (I think) a few others

[eternal island]

ah. i think that specific crash was covered in awbacons vid

[magic girder]

It was, but I couldn't tell if it was the first or second time since it looks so similar 😄

s'alright though, just gives me an excuse to replay the game. Disappointing since it was so far in, but not a big deal. I knew the risks when I started playing on the core 😎

[eternal island]

time to beat conker again

[magic girder]

For the first time ever! 🤯

(for me)

[cerulean elk]

Yep. Because it was super consistent for me too

Bee hive and enter the vortex shoot out scene were my two most consistent ways to crash Conker with hitting the gargoyle with a frying pan being third

[iron escarp]

🙏 Happy to help! (and find out I REALLY don't like Conker lol. Crossing that one off the miles long backlog)

[glass walrus]

so this conker thing about it trying to use memory faster than it can free it causing the crash but offloading the tlb to expansion memory buys more stable play time?

[zinc dew]

Thanks for explaining it, I had no idea what the fix was so I just thought @cerulean elk used his Chicago Magic to conjure a solution from the Leprechaun Mafia.

[magic girder]

Turned on the MiSTer with the purpose of testing Conker. Ended up playing Mario Kart Amped Up 🤦🏻‍♂️

Stupid Logo!

[magic girder]

Right before Conker delivers a PowerPoint presentation

[cerulean elk]

That’s anti-leprechaun. Damn small minded Texans

[glass walrus]

is the memory usage impacted by the core processing things faster and higher fps?

[magic girder]

Anecdotal evidence suggested that the Turbo core could be a bit more stable. So the original core is most likely to crash. If I understand correctly

[glass walrus]

turbo has higher memory clock right? im simply wondering if a game like conker is so tight on memory that it overflows because the core is pushing higher fps and causing higher memory usage compared to hardware

[foggy cape]

Since playing V2 this is the longest run I've had without a crash. And I just completed the war chapter. I feel like if anything would crash it would be during that

[compact depot]

Please keep us posted

[viscid gate]

I had a save with a 100% crash (starting the fight with rock dudes prior to rock solid) and this patch gets me past that fine.

[magic girder]

The patch is definitely more stable than the prototype

[compact depot]

It’s more stable than RETAIL it seems 🤣

[magic girder]

Get that bad boy on romhacking

Conker (Stability Patch)

Minor Conker annoyance: game is clearly British, with British slang and accents etc… and then they say “Zee”!

[mossy needle]

Yes when I get the time I'll revisit those spots. Do you want it with the first patch or the newest patch?

[compact depot]

V2 please, as you had the freeze with v1 already

[foggy cape]

I successfully got from the vampire chapter to the end of the game without a crash!

Tomorrow I'll do the beginning again to get through where I had the original crashes

[cerulean elk]

I’m 65% through. Zero crashes

But I probably won’t get to the last bit til next week

[compact depot]

Has Conker finally been conkered ?? 🤔

That’s good as we don’t need MARS anymore! 😌

[cerulean elk]

🤣

Next it’ll be “has Jet Force Gemini been Jerry Rigged

[lament escarp]

Has the battle for naboo been won?

[magic girder]

CBFD: So I’ve been playing for 3 hours now from the beginning of the game with no crash. So the crashes that were coming after 1-2 hours seem to have resolved themselves.

(Just beat the great mighty poo)

[lament escarp]

Though I somewhat expect we won't see patches for all these games. Simply because if the crashes are that well understood across different games I think a core update that fixes the underlying issue is more probable.

[cerulean elk]

Also I don’t think Naboo had any debug / crash handler. Makes understanding what’s happening much harder

Conker was a nice setup as every crash gave data

[lament escarp]

Yeah but with the core being pretty accurate I wouldn't be suprised if an eventual core update that fixes the underlying issue in conker could also fix issues in other games.

[worn delta]

What is the issue with Battle of Naboo again?

[compact depot]

It will be fixed in the core once the root cause of the issue is known

[modest helm]

I believe it crashes at the same point on the first stage

[worn delta]

Oh, so it is 100% reproducible?

[spare meadow]

Hope in the future RE 2 can be fixed with those patches too

[eternal island]

isnt re2 fine on the turbo core

[brisk edge]

I believe someone said Claire's campaign was having issues but Leon A is mostly working?

[storm vessel]

Wait what? I’ve played Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii and thought it was amazing. Was gonna start Xenoblade 2 - can’t I just play through it and its DLC and go to 3 and its DLC or is there another order to all this?

[mellow raft]

Play 2 before you play 3.

I wasn't saying otherwise haha

[storm vessel]

Just my crappy reading skills messing with me as usual. 😅

[jovial dagger]

Anything else that needs to be done for conker than patching? Mine isn't loading

Same with the uncensored patched version

[mellow raft]

You using the v2 patch?

There is no approved patch for any version other than USA retail. If you are using the ips patch for v1 then you probably patched a bad dump.

#1096015979055697940 message

Use this patch instead and make sure you have a current no-intro verified dump.

[jovial dagger]

I think my my md5 was off. Ty

[mellow raft]

V2 fixed some other issues. And the patch will verify the dump this time.

[jovial dagger]

If I wanted the uncensored would I need to patch it twice?

[mellow raft]

You would need to not use the uncensored version at all. The patch was only designed for USA retail.

[jovial dagger]

Ya I don't think it would work.. I wanted both patches preferably

[glass walrus]

Slower core speeds make meeting timing easier right? I'm now starting to think the core is so efficient its just adding to the ddr3 timing issues on games that are tight on memory usage as the conker patch is pointing out... maybe the lower framerates acted as bottlenecks keeping the last few games right at the edge of what the hardware was capable of, with the core surpssing that on everything but mem timing maybe a slower version of the core should be tested

[slender hawk]

🚨 CODE VIOLATION 🚨

@jovial dagger You have violated rule #628 - trying to play an uncensored game

[mellow raft]

The goal is to get a fix that would be in the core. This patch is only a temporary workaround. It's a nice step. But it's not the fix that @cerulean elk has been working on. This was made as more of a quick fix to make it playable.

We don't want to port thisfor other versions of the game yet because we may be able to get this fixed on a broader scale. So please give it some more time.

[turbid warren]

this is why i renamed the patched version of Conker cause hopefully one day the core will just be able to play the non-patched retail game

[mellow raft]

No sense wasting energy on patching with this for every version of the game, if we can fix the root cause.

[jovial dagger]

Is this real?

[mellow raft]

And we have a lot of evidence that it may be fixable. It's just very complex. @jovial dagger so please. I'm not saying that we are avoiding it to be stingy. But things still aren't in a final fix position yet.

[jovial dagger]

Understood. I'm happy there's progress at all

[mellow raft]

I say "we" but I have no involvement of making the patch. I meant the community devs haha.

We only want input on the USA retail game as too many variables from other hacks/regions would not give feedback we can use to fix this.