#Nintendo 64

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zinc dawn
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πŸ™‚

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I'll keep playing through, will let you know if I get a pin point, reproducible crash.

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Without the 8mb patch, I can't run Dam at all. I'm not sure if that's the same witheverone else?

zinc dawn
hollow rune
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@chilly ember @quasi storm I wanted to just write while you both played, cause I can't really talk now. I promise I wasn't trying to be a creep

quasi storm
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I'm confused. either I never got that vibe, or I was so engrossed in what I was doing I didn't notice. Either way, its all good man πŸ™‚

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@wanton sun @chilly ember It probably isn't worth much to you. I was playing Legacy of Darkness and the game crashed on me twice, both times I was a wolf, about to transform back to normal while going through a door. These are the only two occurrences of any issues at all throughout my time with the game. It was odd. I was playing on the 23.11.29 core

wanton sun
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totally possible. in case you find something reproducible, i could take a look

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about GE: i was confused that if that game doesn't use TLB for the datapath, it can already use the datacache. Then why are the framerates that bad. Now i have seen a video on youtube that shows it drops to 10-15 fps on the first level also on real hardware. I'm shocked, so the core is actually about true speed? Really strange it's still rated so well when TWINE runs much better and looks much better

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out of all the n64 games i barely know any that runs that bad

chilly ember
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Lol yea it runs kinda rough but I still love it

weary beacon
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Yes GE and PD are slow, people love them because of nostalgia. Maybe there would be less slowdowns with fastRAM enabled?

quasi storm
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There may be a few edge cases, but yeah... That's about the right frame rate.

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Turok 2, on the other hand, I KNOW that game ran better. The audio was dropping out at times while I was playing, the frame rate was so poor.

eternal ravine
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CRTs used to work just a little extra magic on rough-looking games
Now we can see all the flaws in perfect clarity

oblique remnant
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I have never played TWINE before. I doubt that Game will impress me over the GE Nostalgia nowadays but might be worth a try πŸ˜€ I feel the framerate in Turok 2 is worse had to stop after 10mins of gameplay

hot spoke
eternal ravine
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Oh, not completely

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Just a little extra sauce on top

quasi storm
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I think I managed to hit a whopping low 4 fps

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and that was in level 2 during the triceratops section.

oblique remnant
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I guess Turok 3 isnt going to be that much better considering the framerate?!

zinc dawn
# wanton sun about GE: i was confused that if that game doesn't use TLB for the datapath, it ...

From the 1000s of hours of goldeneye i bave played of goldeneye the framerate is is about right. Slows down at the right paces. TWINE is good but no GD or PD. I think those 2 games have great Misson structure, insane replay ability, great weapons, unrivalled multilplayer (timesplitters came very close) the games were revolutionary at the time. If there's anyway in the future you could improve the framerate I'm not going to complain. ❀️

quasi storm
zinc dawn
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Didn't they just remaster Oblivion? Was a bit too much Sci fi for me

quasi storm
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I believe nightdive is working on a remaster, if it isn't out already.

zinc dawn
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Came out yesterday!

quasi storm
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Have you tried it?

zinc dawn
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So that's all 3 turoks you can play now. Cool!!

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Nahh. I'm saving my money

quasi storm
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Imma get it right now!

zinc dawn
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Hahah! Brilliant

quasi storm
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It was one of those games where I knew if I forgot about it it would come out sooner...

zinc dawn
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Let me knownhownit plays

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Also I'd like your input on Turok PC version, VS the remake.

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And how they compare to playing it on the 64.

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I want to play through it again but not sure what system to play It on

quasi storm
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The original PC version of Turok plays just like the N64 version, but it has a CD soundtrack instead of N64 midi. If I remember correctly, it used some sort of analogue stick emulation for mouse look. It was a little wonky.

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The remaster is a whole other beast

zinc dawn
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I see. How about the visuals? I'm thinking of running it on my Win98 rig. Whole beast as in awesome?

quasi storm
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The remaster has improved visuals, tightened controls, among other things.

zinc dawn
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Mmmmmm

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I'll have to check it out. Turok was a blast!

oblique remnant
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Wonder what FPS Turok 2 would hit in a 3dfx w98 rig πŸ˜€

quasi storm
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What card you running?

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It won't go above 30. It's capped just like the console.

zinc dawn
quasi storm
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If it were uncapped, that card would chew it up! πŸ˜€

zinc dawn
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Love my Voodoo. Something so warming about the 3dfx glide api.

wanton sun
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Turok2 is likely not full speed yet. I still remember it as choppy, but not that choppy. Probably uses TLB for data

solemn marlin
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Tho I wouldn't say no to framerate options, if possible πŸ˜—

wanton sun
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yes, maybe it's different if you know both from back then. I only played twine before, so i'm probably not objective

safe robin
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i never played TWINE, didnt even know there is another bond game on the n64. I loved Goldeneye but yes the Framerate is sometimes a bit low. Turok2 on the other hand, was already so bad framerate wise that i felt cheated after buying it. Maybe its even worse because i have the PAL Version at home but i remember not being happy

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I now play Perfect Dark on the Core and it also has low Framerate but its kind of cool, never played it back then. After that i will play TWINE πŸ™‚

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I still cant believe that Goldeneye causes problems on the core while Perfect Dark runs so well. Hope its just a little bug somewhere that will be easy to fix once found

wanton sun
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so far all of the TLB bugs i found have been easy to fix. The difficulty is always to see what it even is. It's like reading a text you have written 20 times. You will not find every mistake yourself

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so instead of autocorrect i have the error flags πŸ˜…

zinc dawn
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@wanton sun your work is appreciated. I'm sure you'll nail it soon. Bunker keeps on crashing, completed it once...alas it didn't save my progress!!!😒

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Maybe bunker users lots of TLBπŸ˜†πŸ˜’

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I'm on my way in to my Arcade. First day off in ages and the fuse boards acting up😒😒

silent marten
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Toby, I tried what you said about disconnecting all controllers apart from player 1 and got half way through Dam without patching the rom

mellow path
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How is Bomberman 64 playing? I've been out of town for two weeks and am itching to try it out.

silent marten
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I not played it yet but according to VGE videos it is running really well

native mesa
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Is there anything we could be doing to help? I know you're after the illusive reproducible crash.

remote hatch
eternal ravine
silent marten
remote hatch
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ok I trust you πŸ˜„

novel junco
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Has anyone tried Shiren with the split-saves? Curious whether or not that changes the save data from wiping itself at the main menu

verbal cedar
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Can you use HDMI to get that much data out if the entire system was re written and you didn’t want video out during debug?

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By no means is it practical but I was curious

spare meadow
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@wanton sun , the glitches/wrong power colors from KI Gold are somehow TLB related?

vapid moat
wanton sun
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that's what i use the patreon articles or this channel here sometimes. You have to assume that the audience can understand what you tell. To a duck i could lie, but when there are plenty of technical interested people, you have to be correct and sometimes that opens up new views. Maybe not so much at the moment, but i noticed that a lot when i was writing the timing articles for psx: i often found myself in a situation where i wanted to write something and questioned myself ... "am I really sure this is true?" and then skipped it and rather wrote a test for it instead of writing something and making a fool out of myself, haha

woeful beacon
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I like when im trying to explain my code to people

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thats the easiest way for me to find mistakes lol

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"so then I just do this right, and then I add this... wait... why would i... oh "

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dangerous epiphanies that make you want to refactor the whole shit lmao

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the pressure to be a "good teacher and a good example" is huge I agree

wanton sun
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it gets even worse when someone else picks up your work and fixes bugs in it and you have to review the fix. As i changed the department, this often happens to me and it's really a pain

woeful beacon
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oh great fuck that lol

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I cant

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this is why im not a coder really

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I need full control and im here to learn, not make progress haha

native mesa
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@wanton sun what are you using for 4 player? You got them insider snac goodies?

wanton sun
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i got 3 NSO and my daughter has to use her switch gamepad

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i could also use SNAC but i have no pad in good condition

orchid nimbus
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I like to stay factual too

native mesa
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Ah not punishing the children with janky sticks on OEM controllers. Good move

weary palm
wanton sun
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she prefers the NSO N64 whenever she can πŸ˜‰

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need to get a 4th before christmas

native mesa
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Frappe snow land on repeat

weary palm
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Get a real N64 controller in good condition

wanton sun
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i tried with ebay. "perfect" condition is typically very loose

odd vector
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Worst aspect about the whole controler

wanton sun
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i'm not very skilled with repairs so that's no option and unless someone wants to sell one in good condition, i have to use NSO ones

odd vector
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I wonder why to this day there is no acceptable replacement for original controllers..

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And I mean an easy swap

native mesa
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I have a transparent purple one with a decent stick I'd be willing to donate

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I'm using the hall effect 8bitdo combo now

wanton sun
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oh my daughter would be very happy. Because i would have to use the one with cable, she would laugh at me every time i have to use it 🀣

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uploaded a new testbuild now. Naboo boots to first screen, then crashes and goldeneye might be more stable. I left it 1 hour in attract mode without crash, but didn't play much. Got conker from boot through the full intro to the statue on bridge, then it lost sound, so conker is not 100% yet

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framerate is still horrible

cerulean elk
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Ooh what’s the story on todays core?

wanton sun
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hopefully goldeneye (more) stable?

cerulean elk
ornate obsidian
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Gonna try it right away

languid dune
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We doing dis again today! 🀘

daring meteor
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Does that mean every single game that isn't Indiana jones works, or has a workaround?
Very nice

wanton sun
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conker does not fully work yet and naboo isn't working at all

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unless you count the first screen showing it has found an expansion pak

daring meteor
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1 Non working game by christmas, the dream is real

vagrant ivy
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you lot are wierd. Quest 64 is the only game to play !

languid dune
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Expansion Pak is my favorite game on the console! gex

native mesa
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So far so good with goldeneye 🀞

reef sierra
hasty musk
wanton sun
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hmm, it seems i should read mission objectives

cerulean elk
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I’ll give Conker a try today too. Video for tomorrow maybe

native mesa
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time to leave dr doak

cerulean elk
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Ping me anyone if something new works πŸ™‚ won’t capture till 1

native mesa
nova grotto
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Is there a game that is still not booting at all ?

daring meteor
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Indiana Jones

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The 1 game not working until Christmas

zinc dawn
oblique remnant
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Huge improvement on goldeneye id say chefkiss

native mesa
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hah weird goldeneye bug one of the security doors won't open just stuck in the animation

solemn marlin
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Can't wait to get home and try, no more random crashes?

native mesa
cerulean elk
ornate obsidian
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I've done dam twice now without any crashes atleast, non-patched rom

daring meteor
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dam, nice

oblique remnant
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that level would crash instantly before

ornate obsidian
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Well I almost completed the 2nd level aswell without issues until random power outage in my entire apartment complex...:D

daring meteor
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New N64 core update, added UPS support

uncut gyro
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@wanton sun did you capture some of these bug fixes in 'unit' level tests in your latency test suite or similar?

chilly ember
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Been trying to get through dam on perfect agent but died a couple times, haven't had single crash at all

native mesa
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DK Mode Unlocked

daring meteor
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Use the setting I added

native mesa
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What setting?

daring meteor
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2p1c

native mesa
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Oh yeah i want to try that with the DS3

brisk edge
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Time to see if Frigate is stable, and see if I can't beat my old PB

native mesa
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Things seem very stable aside from relatively bad performance

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That's because no datacache right?

oblique remnant
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is it really bad performance or close to hardware ? Can't tell honestly πŸ˜„

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Jungle Level must be worst got 7 fps there πŸ˜„

native mesa
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It's not great on hardware but it seems worse at times

vapid hawk
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goldeneye stable today?

daring meteor
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Seemingly

vapid hawk
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🀯 amazing

wanton sun
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i compared goldeneye framerates to a youtube video showing framerates of a real n64 at some spots and the core seems to be accurate

vapid hawk
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fps goes up if you enable the letterboxing πŸ˜„

wanton sun
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the game already uses the datacache, don't expect any major speedups. Fastmem might help slightly (10% or so)

oblique remnant
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amazing, I wonder what were the fixes on those crashes before πŸ™‚

daring meteor
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Already uses? How? Does it not use the TLB for data?

vapid hawk
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just stare at the floor the entire time like the speedrunners do, solid 30fps

worn delta
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Oh, wow, is Goldeneye actually working well now? Incredible work Robert!

wanton sun
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yes, no TLB for data path ingame

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only for instructions

daring meteor
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Huh

wanton sun
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i was surprised myself πŸ™‚

daring meteor
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Is Conker the same?

wanton sun
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no

vapid hawk
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@modern sleet πŸ™

wanton sun
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at least conker triggered the data tlb in my emulator in a cutscene

daring meteor
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So only 3 full TLB games that actually remove and insert data and instruction entries, wow

zinc dawn
vapid hawk
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so what does goldeneye actually use the TLB for? can you tell?

daring meteor
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Honestly expected more

zinc dawn
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To save memory I beli

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Believe

daring meteor
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If its not data its instructions

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Someone here iirc said something about general TLB usage on the N64, but its purely a dev aide

vapid hawk
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i always thought they were using it to maybe stream data for really big levels or something

safe robin
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Gonna play Goldauge vierundsechzig tonight chefkiss

vapid hawk
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so whose going to complete it fastest πŸ˜„

undone oak
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this is awesome! played up to level 4 quickly there. Is there something I need to do to get the NSO n64 controller to work more accurately?

wanton sun
lean spruce
vapid hawk
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nso controller is basically always as accurate as you can get

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n64 games stream some level data, or at least load/unload areas based on your position

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perfect dark decomp talks about it

lean spruce
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huh, so Sony hype then πŸ˜‚

elfin depot
vapid hawk
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doing it off an optical disc is a good trick tho

lean spruce
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yeah I guess, but it sounded it had never been done before

wanton sun
elfin depot
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I don't know if it'd be there by Xmas but I can ship you an NSO controller

modern sleet
wanton sun
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if you are not sure, i would assume it has a long travel?

elfin depot
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DM me your shipping address and we'll take it from there

plush summit
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@elfin depot Man of the people 😳

elfin depot
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I've shipped tractors and trucks from Germany so an NSO controller to Germany can't be that hard πŸ˜‰

latent galleon
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i ordered a local DS from german ebay i think

elfin depot
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I bought a whole Fire truck from Germany

latent galleon
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or somewhere in europe

vapid hawk
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can you get one on ebay.de and send it straight there?

latent galleon
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exactly

vapid hawk
elfin depot
vapid hawk
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ah cool

elfin depot
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I have a German ebay account from my days of "Germany vehicles are wicked cool"

latent galleon
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like i literally didn't just say this, you are all welcome

plush summit
elfin depot
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No no, its for putting OUT fires, not starting them πŸ˜‰

vapid hawk
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MrsDolch is just way into that fireman RP

modern sleet
worn delta
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Any other progress on the remaining boots/no boots with today's build? Not many left now

vapid hawk
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whats even left now

daring meteor
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Indiana Jones

chilly ember
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jet force gemini

daring meteor
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The only game that never went ingame in any sort of way on the core rn is Indiana Jones

fair stump
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That dam level normally runs about 15 fps?

vapid hawk
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something like that on average yeah

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its better in the tunnels under the damn

fair stump
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I was like eyes_squint this is rough but probably right

wanton sun
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it's shocking

vapid hawk
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pal might run a bit better? i assume thats the ntsc one

zinc dawn
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Shockingly good πŸ˜‰ Have you tried the Japanese one. That's the one speedrunners use alot. Maybe a bit better

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I'm all about 15fps, back in those days didn't have anything like GE on consoles. I remember having a PS1 and my mates would come around and play Tekken and MGS I'd go round theirs and play GE and Diddy Kong Racing . I even fell in love with Natalya.

worn delta
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Hmm, on SN30 pro when I move forward or back in Goldeneye using left stick it is also making me look up or down (up and down mapped to right stick). Anyone else had this issue?

zinc dawn
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You don't map the stick in n64 core

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I had that Issue also.

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You could map the c buttons ro right stick

worn delta
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Ah! Done it again now, many thanks for that. Might be worth that explicitly stating D-pad Left, D-pad Right etc. instead of just Left and Right

zinc dawn
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That's what I did on my DS4 but now I got NSO controller.

daring meteor
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Use 1p2c

zinc dawn
daring meteor
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On GE and PD its the ideal way

zinc dawn
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Oh in the controller settings in game? Solitaire? Was it

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Oh boy oh boy Christmas has come early!!!

daring meteor
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2.2 Galore / 2.4 Goodhead

wanton sun
zinc dawn
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I bet we aren't the only ones that have banged our heads against the wall in frustration

cerulean elk
# wanton sun

It’s a genuinely bad frame rate. I think a lot of people forget that when remembering goldeneye through their nostalgia

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But we just didn’t really care back then I guess πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ but today it’s rough

wanton sun
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the 15 would still be playable, but the dips to 10 or even below makes it really hard to even aim sometimes

zinc dawn
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Especially when you get shot

vapid hawk
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if you're using the nso controller remember your getting like an extra 35ms lag ontop of everything else

zinc dawn
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That's the worst

vapid hawk
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and even more for vsync=0 etc

zinc dawn
vapid hawk
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either

zinc dawn
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*or

ornate obsidian
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Funny thing is that i'm usually the most annoying guy ever when it comes to FPS, but im still having a blast playing this

zinc dawn
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I can deal with that

vapid hawk
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so it was more playable back in the day on a 0ms controller with a 0ms display

wanton sun
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35? i thought it was around 16?

zinc dawn
rich warren
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I think because the enemy reactions are so slow, the game's low frame-rate is easier to digest

vapid hawk
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i'd have to look it up i think its 35 max maybe 16 average

zinc dawn
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The choking one brilliant

ornate obsidian
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16 is average, 35-40 is just the random spikes that may occur from what i've read

wanton sun
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looked it up: 14 average with BT, 35 max

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i can live with that. i also have vsync adjust 1

zinc dawn
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That's perfectly fine for me.

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Tri the high definition patch if you want really bad framerate.

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Looks grand tho

oblique remnant
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Maybe it's a bit better if you play the PAL in 60hz the music is faster too πŸ™‚

vapid hawk
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at 10fps you've got a minimum 100ms controller latency like, all the time, add a modern controller and display ontop you could be looking at 140-150ms. not saying its unplayable but its a lot

ornate obsidian
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Framerate doesnt matter when the severnaya music is so damn good

vapid hawk
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100ms is borderline as is

worn delta
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Completed Dam, wow is this playing so well

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I really can't wait for SNAC though, as SN30 Pro is not ideal for N64

native mesa
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I think the issue is more stutters than straight FPS

ornate obsidian
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Honestly this is running as well as I can remember it running, now you've truly given me the best christmas present, you're amazing @wanton sun

elfin depot
native mesa
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I packed up my N64 or else i'd try to side by side

undone oak
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for some reason on the NSO controller my c-down button brings up the mister menu

native mesa
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The stutters also seem to coincide with audio popping

knotty zealot
elfin depot
wanton sun
worn delta
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Someone has marked Turok as Perfect, should that be Completable or Playable?

knotty zealot
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then you are of no use to me anymore. die.

elfin depot
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(and you'd be getting a CRT in the mail)

knotty zealot
elfin depot
knotty zealot
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jesus lord christ have mercy

wanton sun
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Today i learned that the brown thing on baskets head is supposed to be hair. I always thought it was some kind of military cap

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and sorry, but i shot you 😦

undone oak
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@wanton sun thanks πŸ™‚

elfin depot
chilly ember
modern sleet
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YC core updated

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GE stable

zinc dawn
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I always wanted a Hello Kitty CRT.

native mesa
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Sorry not the greatest video but weapon switching on severnaya shows the stutter pretty well. I'll hook up the HDMI later for better capture

wanton sun
chilly ember
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Yes hang on

wanton sun
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sorry, have no idea where this is in the game, so maybe not far from start

elfin depot
chilly ember
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yea you just go down there hill, go over the bridge and up that hill

undone oak
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@native mesa Yea i can reproduce that stuttering

oblique remnant
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Goldfinger Hack works too but's veeery slow

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undone oak
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ill get a video of original hardware to compare

zinc dawn
cerulean elk
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I was like damn its not that disappointing

wanton sun
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hmm, i probably went wrong, but it also froze

chilly ember
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File I'm using is file 3 on that save file that has the crash is game3, game1 is just past that cutscene

wanton sun
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ah ok

placid quiver
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Has anyone used the 8bitdo modkit wired successfully? I can only get mine to work using BT

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Via usb

worn delta
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Hmm, should n64-systemtest_tlb.z64 not be booting now?

vapid moat
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Please don't kill me for this btw but never grew up with Goldeneye

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Had TWINE tho

chilly ember
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this is the way to get to the cutscene

cerulean elk
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ok time to try some Conker and Goldeneye myself here

wanton sun
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could also trigger it. Unfortunatly really hang, not error code

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need to see if my emulator can handle it, then it might still help

chilly ember
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No worries i'm just keep playing from the other file and see if anything more happens

wanton sun
rich warren
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wow - this is incredible πŸ₯Ή

zinc dawn
cerulean elk
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fun to see Dec on the core date

vapid moat
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I'm wondering if to join in on trying out Conker but not really feelin' it right now~ poppycorn

cerulean elk
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we are finally at the christmas stage!

zinc dawn
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Got that Christmas feelin

cerulean elk
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we should be inclusive....one game playable by Haunakah?

vapid moat
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Robert Bringing In Early Christmas (Any% Speedrun)

zinc dawn
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Die Hard, GoldenEye, kids doing my head in. Mrs busting my balls. Perfect. ❀️

undone oak
zinc dawn
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Is that OG Goldeneye or MiSter Goldeneye

undone oak
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It’s hard to see in that video but that’s real hardware and there is still a stutter changing guns

native mesa
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Interesting

cerulean elk
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oh wow stability in GoldenEye is clutch today

zinc dawn
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Yeah it's normal. πŸ™‚

undone oak
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Wish I hadn’t seen it πŸ˜‚

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Will never not see it now haha

zinc dawn
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Part of the charm

native mesa
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Well there's some performance patches

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I'll try those

zinc dawn
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Ja? Which ones bud

cerulean elk
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and I got so excited I didnt hit record lolol

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good thing its for tomorrow

chilly ember
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Ran into another consistent softlock on conker's bad fur day when going into the barn

knotty zealot
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himynameisawbaconandwelcometomynewvideoletslookatsomecoresohnoiforgottohitrecordletsdoitagain

cerulean elk
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or do I want to go today and MARS tomorrow. I never know

knotty zealot
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mars? humbug

native mesa
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What day of the week gets you the most views?

cerulean elk
zealous hull
wanton sun
knotty zealot
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mods better crack down on the mars around here. stick it in another channel i say

native mesa
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Meh it will pertain to most cores

cerulean elk
knotty zealot
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i see a non fpga handheld video. traitor

cerulean elk
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and oooh did it fail

knotty zealot
#

i want the saturn dpad with six snes face buttons.

cerulean elk
#

I think I will run N64 today. Why not

native mesa
#

Put the funny goldeneye guy in dk mode as your clickbait image

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Jingles avatar

cerulean elk
native mesa
cerulean elk
#

ahhhh

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that kinda looks like @languid dune

native mesa
chilly ember
native mesa
#

I miss when devs had fun making games

nimble needle
cerulean elk
chilly ember
#

Ok haha

native mesa
#

Whatever this fortune cookie says, I'm going to do

silent marten
#

Dam completed with no crash πŸ™‚

oblique crow
# native mesa

This actually a known bug with GE. Usually why no one goes in that room since there's no objectives anyway. But basically, that door gets stuck in a condition where the door on the other side is open, and that door cannot open until the other is closed. softlock.

native mesa
#

Doak is in there sometimes

oblique crow
#

i suppose sometimes, but I'd rather die than go in there

native mesa
#

lol

oblique crow
#

anyone been able to make GE crash yet?

#

So far - it's been stable for me

hollow rune
#

Is GE working correctly now?

oblique crow
#

Could be

#

Aztec and Egypt are probably the two best levels to test stability

toxic pumice
#

about to give it a try myself πŸ™‚

silent marten
hollow rune
#

I'm going in

silent marten
#

Have fun

chilly ember
#

I didn't get any crashes

weary palm
#

Is GE007 stable like a horse now?

cerulean elk
#

big diff in stability there

weary palm
toxic pumice
#

There are definitely performance discrepancies but that's to be expected I think - great work on the stability πŸ™‚

cerulean elk
#

I got to the third mission in Goldeneye before moving on. Felt bang up stable

#

VO done. Export and rip it

viral portal
# weary palm

I don't need her coming into my town again, damnit.

weary palm
ripe cargo
toxic pumice
#

I'm 99% positive there are differences - The original game to the best of my knowledge never had unresponsive firing with the pistol, despite the framerate issues, for example.

weary palm
#

If I had two tvs I would hook up my N64 and run the demo side by side for some time.

toxic pumice
#

let me try and test a few things - bear with me

weary palm
#

... and share the results with with this 00-lovely discord channel.

loud pebble
#

Wow Goldeneye

cerulean elk
#

which one

#

I think I know but

weary palm
#

Third

knotty zealot
#

@weary palm gΓ₯ og sett deg i SNIKKERBOOOODEN

orchid nimbus
knotty zealot
#

pippi langstrΓΈmpe

orchid nimbus
#

jeg spreke igge Norsk πŸ˜„

knotty zealot
#

pippi core when

weary palm
orchid nimbus
#

jΓ€vel << eh? πŸ˜„

weary palm
#

Devil.

orchid nimbus
#

yeah yeah πŸ˜„

#

I know enough Swedish to know that's not the only meaning

weary palm
#

It's a mild curse.

orchid nimbus
#

I bet you guys loved the PS Fitta there in Sweden πŸ˜„

weary palm
#

Excuse

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Why did I Google that.

#

Do you mean the PS Vita?

toxic pumice
#

So as slight as it is, one sign that the core is running slower is the Dam introduction - Core version takes longer on the initial black screen before showing anything than hardware does, and there are certain very specific areas that show worse performance on core vs. hardware to the best of my knowledge

#

negligible differences though tbh πŸ™‚

orchid nimbus
toxic pumice
#

i'm happy this is running and it seems really stable. it's excellent work

chilly ember
knotty zealot
#

mvg ran n64 composite throug the tink 4k and his experience was "transformative"

weary palm
#

Shit in, crap out

#

$700 turd polisher

cerulean elk
#

but its JUST taking the date it receives and scaling it. A lot of these reviews come across as "composite in, perfect signal out"...like somehow the composite switched to RGB THEN was scaled

knotty zealot
#

bro could just emulate in 16k

compact depot
#

Wait is GE working already? 😱

cerulean elk
#

like I can run composite video into Super Scaler in Resolve and if that ran real time you'd get an image that would make a scaler look obsolete. I bet we get there in ten years

compact depot
#

What about conker?

chilly ember
#

Not conker

cerulean elk
#

but still freezes here and there

#

"playable-ish" should be a category

chilly ember
#

Softlock after a cutscene when trying to go into barnyard level

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Then another soft lock when going into the barn. Playable for about 45 mins before you can't progress anymore

#

Occasional crashes

cerulean elk
#

but on the scaler side...you get out what you put in. Sure you are scaling composite with a nice scaler but the perception is its transforming something. Its not adding data to the origin signal. It's not adding color depth that you didnt put in. But thats a common misnomer

languid dune
#

Had Conker crash on me once, but otherwise was running surprisingly well!

weary palm
#

I understand scalers, but why not just play on a cheap CRT if that's the look you're striving for.

languid dune
#

And why can't I remember how to open that automatic door in the Facility stage in Goldeneye!? I remember doing that stage so many times back in the day! Even unlocking the invincibility cheat the legit way via that stage! But my brain is shot apparently because I can't remember how to get through that room.

weary palm
#

I can't remember how to cycle backwards through weapons

weary perch
#

z+a on default controls, no?

weary palm
#

But... Z is for shooting?

#

I'll try

weary perch
#

indeed. but i believe that is the combo

weary palm
#

I hate that crouching is a weird combo as well.

oblique remnant
weary palm
#

Corners were cut.

knotty zealot
#

still more polished than cyberpunk

weary palm
#

More like Cyberstunk

elfin depot
plush summit
#

yeah people really overestimate scalers

elfin depot
hollow rune
#

Got to the bunker and it worked fine. No errors

hollow rune
plush summit
#

Is the latest core running Goldeneye better?

chilly ember
#

Yea no one has had any crashes

hollow rune
#

How long has Perfect Dark worked?

chilly ember
#

Maybe a week and a half

hollow rune
plush summit
#

Time to grind the Invincibility cheat

plush summit
cerulean elk
#

Does anyone here per chance need a capture card? maybe an Elgato 4K60 MK.2...amazon did a little "we had a problem with your package so we resent it" action on me....very friends deal (if this cant be here Ill 86 it...I want it to go to a good home)

hollow rune
cerulean elk
#

basically just if anyone wants to upgrade and I like you ill let it go for a sweet deal lol

hollow rune
#

Oh I see, I thought you need help from another

#

I understand

#

But nah, someone else should get it

chilly ember
#

If I didn't already have one

hollow rune
#

Preferably someone with the RetroTink 4k

cerulean elk
#

yes its overkill if you arent capturing modern consoles / have a 4K scaler

stuck summit
hollow rune
#

I got Conker to boot but I don't think it is my kind of game. Did anyone find out if it is playable?

chilly ember
#

Yea until it soft locks after a cutscene

loud pebble
#

Has anyone else been randomly belting out the opening line from the Tina Turner Goldeneye theme song over the last few days?

orchid nimbus
#

I like pandas with bad fur days

orchid nimbus
#

Oh wrong song

loud pebble
#

Ah good idea I'll throw snake eater into the mix

knotty zealot
#

my bro just went "for n64, mister will never beat original hardware"

little socket
#

real hardware does have that huge power brick, and the console itself is physically larger.
Might crack it though

knotty zealot
eternal ravine
#

N64 owners Know What They Have

knotty zealot
#

no worries, i deflected with ease of use, scanlines and shadow masks. he hasn't replied yet

weary palm
eternal ravine
#

The thing with FPGA is you can't really evaluate it in a vacuum with a single core
I can skip from Neo Geo to Amiga to N64 in one minute

weary palm
#

Why would you do that

eternal ravine
#

Or play all Nintendo (minus a few games) from Famicom to N64

knotty zealot
eternal ravine
#

Ooops, no VB
Throwing away my MiSTer rn

knotty zealot
#

WHY WOULD YOU PLAY GAMES

hollow rune
#

I played Goemon on both a real and MiSTer I'm the same week and it was pretty much the same.

weary palm
#

Why would you spend 20 seconds in a core.?

woeful beacon
eternal ravine
#

Yeah if the N64 has an RGB or HDMI mod

woeful beacon
#

who cares what beats what

eternal ravine
#

Everyone but you

woeful beacon
#

clearly

daring meteor
#

For N64, mister will never beat UltraHLE

woeful beacon
#

YO ultrahle

stuck summit
woeful beacon
#

hype

stuck summit
#

😦

eternal ravine
#

Bacon will get mad views for the eventual FPGA vs OG hardware vids

weary palm
#

Me neither. Just enjoy these ancient artifacts how ever you want.

woeful beacon
#

I've compared Bleemcast tekken 3 to Mister tekken 3 on Psx core and I am appalled

#

this message brought to you by " bleemcast beats mister " squad

eternal ravine
#

So crisp

stuck summit
#

ZSNES is also better, there's no snow theme UI on MiSTer

woeful beacon
#

lets stop beating around the bush

#

Can the MiSTer beat sex

#

yes or no

daring meteor
#

Yes, because we have Buck Bumble

woeful beacon
#

MiSTer wins

#

Bum to the Bum to the Bum to the ... well not Bum cuz Mister > Sex

#

so by default definitely beats N64 hardware, womp womp

zinc dawn
#

MiSter I'd better than PS1 hardware

woeful beacon
#

(nevermined that both have buck bumble)

zinc dawn
#

*is

knotty zealot
#

you've not met my brother. he'd CLUNK you on your head

woeful beacon
zinc dawn
#

It will be better than N64 hardware when core is finished.

woeful beacon
#

savage monster

zinc dawn
#

And I loved my N64 and PS1 to death

woeful beacon
#

okay but what if you put a mister inside an N64

#

who wins then

zinc dawn
#

I put a MiSter inside a saturn LOl

woeful beacon
#

lmao

zinc dawn
#

Before the mention of a saturn core

woeful beacon
#

kinda based except not yet

knotty zealot
#

fucking savages

woeful beacon
#

we're all getting CLUNKED

knotty zealot
#

yes

stuck summit
#

In all honesty though, it's very subjective. OG hardware will always be prioritized for things like speedrunning since you can't really guarantee 100% accuracy otherwise. If I had the cash to spare I'd love owning every console, with high quality mods and expensive flashards/ODEs etc but I don't so MiSTer is the next best thing.

woeful beacon
#

CLUNK

#

how dare you bring logic into this

knotty zealot
#

excuse me... this is the mister community. we do not sink to the standards of reddit by bringing up subjectivity.

stuck summit
#

lol

woeful beacon
#

yes

#

instead you put a 2000000 frame camera up to both and determine the winner OBJECTIVELY

knotty zealot
#

the TRUE WINNER

#

there can be only one

river shale
#

@wanton sun I’m curious about remote debugging homebrew for the n64 using the mister core. Do you have any thoughts on how this could be implemented? I’m wondering if this can mostly be done with some basic C++/ bash scripting and no Verilog code. I would appreciate any insight.
P.S. I know the core is not in a state for homebrew debugging now, but I’m thinking it could be of use in the future once the core is more accurate.

woeful beacon
#

we win

knotty zealot
#

but you don't get that nostalgic FEEL when you're not putting a piece of plastic inside another piece of plastic

#

so what do you do?

zinc dawn
little socket
#

you could un- and replug the hdmi cable with each game change

fierce garden
stuck summit
spare meadow
#

The stripes are back on today’s build πŸ˜”

knotty zealot
mossy needle
#

That nostalgic feeling was quickly outdone by the amount of space that plastic takes up. Not to mention getting some of these carts to work

weary palm
knotty zealot
#

isn't that guy an emoji on twitch

ornate obsidian
#

Jungle map must have the lowest amount of FPS in any n64 game (except turok on mister atm)

zinc dawn
#

Ohh jungle.

#

One of my least favourite

#

Cradle is awesome though

ornate obsidian
#

when you go past the bridge, good god

zinc dawn
ornate obsidian
weary palm
zinc dawn
#

Gotta get the all bonds patch now

#

Favourite bond?

stuck summit
#

For me it's Dalton

zinc dawn
#

It's a toss up between Pierce and Sean

#

Dalton was good tho

stuck summit
#

I think his portrayal was the closest to Bond from the novels

zinc dawn
#

I'll find a photo of me as bond one day

cerulean elk
#

3 minutes till Bond, Lamont Bond

zinc dawn
#

Brook Bond

cerulean elk
zinc dawn
#

Oh yeah that Bond

cerulean elk
#

the only Bond

#

Sean Bondery

#

and Bond is loose (vid)

zinc dawn
#

What about Arnold Bond

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eternal ravine
#

Whattabout Kingsman movies

zinc dawn
native mesa
#

He's not a very good spy if he tells everyone his name

weary palm
#

good rom hack

zinc dawn
#

πŸ˜‚

weary palm
zinc dawn
#

Austin is the one true super spy . Man of mystery!!!@

weary palm
#

Sorry, wrong picture. George Lazenby.

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rose crypt
#

so what's the state of conker right now?

safe robin
#

Still crashes often

rose crypt
#

ah

safe robin
#

Goldeneye is the big thing of the day for me. Finished half the game without a problem

weary palm
#

Why does the guards hide in the toilet stalls? Are they scared?

safe robin
#

They got die-arrhea

vapid hawk
#

I completed the first three levels of goldeneye without issues

safe robin
#

I played until mission 6 with the statue cemetery. That mission is just too hard for me

#

It took me 5 tries last year because I always made a mistake πŸ˜…

eternal ravine
#

This will be the sign that the core is near completion

ruby falcon
#

Happy Friday everyone!

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zinc dawn
#

Love how its GE loaded

#

Mmmmmm pizza

zinc dawn
solemn marlin
#

Always cracks me up with their shifty lil move when they're about to throw a grenade

vapid hawk
#

iirc the goldeneye animations are actually motion captured?

#

i think they built their own rigs for it way before that was normal for games

solemn marlin
#

Pretty sure they did, the highpoint of the game imo

vapid hawk
#

some of them are very funny

solemn marlin
#

Some oscar bait death scenes for sure lol

vapid hawk
#

playing GE on the core feels extremely nostalgic to me

#

like if you told me the speed was right on already i'd believe you, feels just like i remember, i played it on n64 last year

weary palm
#

they were pioneers when it came to mocap for video games.

solemn marlin
#

Yea I have no issues at all, it's right there, speedrunners look at the floor for a reason, it's never been silky smooth exactly

weary palm
#

20 fps on a good day

vapid hawk
#

PC games wouldn't get animations that good for years and years after

knotty zealot
#

i've not seen any mention of goateneye crashing the past couple of hours. IS IT?

solemn marlin
#

On the right level also, people forget that dam was the one they made first iirc, so it stutters more than it should and they go "oh was it always this laggy?"

weary palm
#

I haven't managed to make it crash

#

And I've been spamming granades.

chrome quest
#

Anyone else playing Goldeneye 1p2c? Wonder how others get the setup, I think 2.2 or 2.4 might be needed for the sticks to act modern. Trying to minimise button remaps.
I'm on 2.4 with Analog stick swap. Working great!

weary palm
#

2.4 is the most popular

vapid hawk
#

i spent like 5 minutes just pausing/unpausing, i heard that was meant to crash a lot

hearty python
#

I am excited to see a N64 compare against the Analogue thing next year.

solemn marlin
#

What's the difference between 2.2 and 2.4?

#

I do 2.2 with a slight remap, c button right gives me the crosshair so it goes to L

knotty zealot
weary palm
chrome quest
#

Yeah. I guess either works. I've been defaulting to using Z as LR, so 2.4 makes LR aim.
Shooting from P2 Z (or P1 C-right in 1p2c), I've got set to the other shoulder.

weary palm
#

could even map to keyboard + mouse if you really want to

#

like a heretic

solemn marlin
#

The animations are so drawn out, you're really making a joke of the game with m+kb, there's no honour in getting those sweet cheats playing it like counter-strike

weary palm
#

Like that PC PD port.

solemn marlin
#

Yea I think it's awesome obviously, for modding and preservation purposes, but actually playing the game with m+kb kind of erases a good chunk of meaningful gameplay

#

Ideally there should be completely new games in these engines, just the right amount of 3d for me lol

mossy vector
#

That's odd that it took until Conker BFD to need to implement chroma color keying in the Color Combiner.

orchid nimbus
#

Eh what?

#

I think you’re missing a few words there

mossy vector
#

chroma keying is what the weatherman uses to stand in front of the weather map.

#

It's a color blending mode. I would think it was more commonly used but I guess not.

silent marten
#

I killed Boris..... I thought he was invincible xD

spare meadow
mossy vector
#

yeah, looking for ideas of where to check for it. Thanks fabrisco.

orchid nimbus
#

Wait / there was a new core today

#

Oh man / I was too busy abusing SQL to write HTML today

silent marten
#

Yes Vamp there was a new core today lol

#

Goldeneye is damn near perfect so far

orchid nimbus
#

Stupid work has castrated me with automation - so now I do things my way lol …. Sad VBA skills are sad

silent marten
#

I am up to the Frigate level now

orchid nimbus
#

Oh no more crashes?

blissful plaza
#

Lesser crashes.

#

Same for Conker.

silent marten
#

Nope, not as far as I am in the game, I am sure people are further than me and no one has said anything about it crashing yet

silent marten
chilly ember
#

Conker has some crashes when transitioning to new areas, I've found about 4 spots so far lol. Been swapping save to everdrive to get past them, save it on everdrive and swap it back to mister

silent marten
#

Yeah I know Conker is still a little unstable but I am talking specifically about Goldeneye

blissful plaza
#

I was away today, just tested Conker firstly and had a crash during the barn level, when entering.
For Goldeneye, I tested the two first levels quickly, but seen a non-reproductible crash when I tried to open the door to the scientists room.

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But I abused with the pause on the watch mode, as I was always disturbed by someone else at home.

silent marten
#

Hmmmm interesting, I have gone from Facility to Frigate with no crashes, but I am playing on Agent difficulty

blissful plaza
#

I will check tomorrow, as I'm playing some Trip World DX and Goodboy Galaxy for the rest of the night now.

magic girder
#

Anyone else being a heathen and playing Goldeneye with dual analogue sticks? 🀫

silent marten
blissful plaza
#

Now I will really need some NSO N64 controllers for Christmas.

#

My family wants to do some Mario Kart 64 & KI Gold tournaments by then.

silent marten
#

6 levels back to back with no crashes so far πŸ™‚

magic girder
lilac scroll
#

Wait does goldeneye work now??

#

I can’t keep up with this progress

chilly ember
#

Yea it's working pretty stable now

placid quiver
lilac scroll
#

!!!

chilly ember
#

Even rom hacks seem good

placid quiver
silent marten
#

Actual footage of Robert making goldeneye work ^

magic girder
blissful plaza
magic girder
silent marten
#

I will try and finish the game tomorrow

#

I am sure someone will beat me to it though xD

blissful plaza
#

Okay, I've found the problem on my side, and nothing about the game or the core.
Just the Bluetooth dongle that went crazy on my MiSTer and lost all connection in-game.

#

False alert.

silent marten
#

πŸ™‚

cerulean elk
chilly ember
#

ok haha i've kinda capturing here and there πŸ˜› when i remember to hit record button

versed cairn
#

Are there any good golden eye performance patches? I saw a 8mb patch. Does that help fps?

chilly ember
chilly ember
dense wagon
#

wait a sec.... did this total legend among us mere plebs basically fix tlb? i just tried goldeneye and like... no crashes yet

uncut gyro
#

there are still some known crash issues, they’re just harder to isolate and debug

versed cairn
#

golden eye seems to be perfect. conker and naboo still freeze

orchid nimbus
#

I died on goldeneye before I killed a soldier

versed cairn
#

impressive

orchid nimbus
#

First time playing

versed cairn
#

if you don't have a n64 like controller the controls can be hard to get use to

orchid nimbus
#

No auto aim

#

BFD it is

chilly ember
#

BFD will soft lock when trying to go into barn level but it's okay until then

#

might get a random crash

orchid nimbus
#

Never seen the game

#

Too modern for me

versed cairn
orchid nimbus
#

I pressed B and it went ting…. And the the core went …. Ting with it

#

Music and sound effects are still playing … the game is dead

solemn marlin
#

Got to control before dying, no crashes

#

Who's gonna kiss Natalaya first Muahaha

quasi storm
#

Saw that Conker was more stable. Fired it up before work... Froze in about 7 minutes.

#

It's getting there! Wasn't able to try Goldeneye.

chilly ember
#

Yea lol I've hit like 5 soft locks you can't get past on the core

orchid nimbus
#

Star Wars battle for Naboo boots now

#

Got the cpak screen

chilly ember
#

Had to swap conkers bad fur day save to ever drive to get past them and save then swap back to mister

quasi storm
#

@chilly ember the zombie level has become my test bed.

chilly ember
#

Alot less random crashing but still happens

quasi storm
#

It seems to freeze whenever I blow a zombies head off. I swear... The slurping sound of the blood splatter looping to infinity is ingrained in my psyche.

orchid nimbus
#

Can someone update the spreadsheet?

#

I am on my phone

quasi storm
#

What? You can't edit on your phone? It's literally how I did all of my entries πŸ˜†

#

I gotchu. Any notes?

orchid nimbus
#

Crashes after controller pak screen

#

Thanks @quasi storm

#

4 boots / 5 no boots

quasi storm
#

Any error codes?

orchid nimbus
#

Nice

#

Let me check

#

0080020

#

Not at home - friends house

quasi storm
#

Entry updated

#

On my phone, no less. 🀣

orchid nimbus
#

iPhone here

quasi storm
#

While at work, too!

orchid nimbus
#

Slacker!! Get back to work!!

quasi storm
#

A lot of waiting where I work. May as well engage in the discord community while I wait...

prisma hawk
#

GoldenEye PAL is running better than GoldenEye PAL on actual hardware, which is pretty cool, not that any of you might care, ha ha! I think the NTSC version is still superior, though, despite Rare's great PAL optimisation.

chilly ember
#

Been lots of crashes inside poo mountain, not having any luck collecting all the corn before a crash

orchid nimbus
quasi storm
#

Craning metal to be cut. Waiting on the cut.

orchid nimbus
#

Or that πŸ™‚ cut faster plasma torch!!

chilly ember
quasi storm
eternal ravine
chilly ember
#

If you swap saves with your everdrive to get past the softlocks when transitioning areas

eternal ravine
#

Ahh, but seems close at hand

#

I really like the animated poo textures

quasi storm
#

Can we just appreciate what is happening here? That reverb is absolutely top notch!

#

I remember that was an issue in PJ64: No reverb. Without it the song feels so hollow and empty.

weary palm
quasi storm
#

Can't wait to get home and try Goldeneye. It's solid, now?

weary palm
chilly ember
#

Yea it seems so. I finished the Spy who loved me demo rom hack without issues. only 3 levels but glad had no issues

weary palm
quasi storm
# chilly ember

I challenge you to capture the cutscenes for each phase of the battle. It would be a good test of stability. If it crashes or freezes you must throw it out.

chilly ember
#

I'm trying lol

quasi storm
#

C'mon, man. This ain't no second form of Dracula. Chop chop.

weary palm
#

Does it crash because of TLB or something else?

chilly ember
#

just gotta get lucky where it doesn't crash

#

tlb i assume? i don't know lol

quasi storm
dense wagon
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iv played about 30 mins of goldeneye - usa version... not had any crashes, and from how it plays it seems quite similar to what i remember, fps wise that is πŸ™‚

I do just need to reduce the sensitivty of the controller i have

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actually... that can be done in the configuration for the controller right?

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needs to do some googling later

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when the small humans sleep

quasi storm
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What are you using?

chilly ember
weary palm
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I don't know of any way to reduce sensitivity. Can you?

chilly ember
dense wagon
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so im using an off brand wired n64 controller, apparently the same company that produces the 3rd party wireless one you can buy... not sure if the internals are identical or not, but in this case yeah the scalling seems really messed up

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so like if i move the thumbstick to about the 50% position in any direction... in the controller tester rom, it already shows it as being maxed out

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so some games feel mega twitchy

quasi storm
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When is the last time you updated?

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These seem like issues that were worked out some time ago.

storm parrot
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πŸ‡²πŸ‡¨

dense wagon
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not done an update all in a while, but in terms of unstable nightlies... did that like a day ago or so

dense wagon
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lol most likely

paper orchid
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Aw man, a core update and I have no way to get it on the MiSTer right now lmao

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I have it with me but I don't have a microSD reader

eternal island
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today ive just been spamming everyone thats messaged me with https://youtu.be/qoWCB8AUiP4?si=5E8tbDE90yQ_tvul

YouTube
777PROJEKT
Goldeneye 64 - Watch [Pause Music] - UNCOMPRESSED (Remake 777PROJEKT)

My work for a better sound quality for this track.
.
There are 7 tracks of the Goldeneye 64 game called "uncompressed" not compressed for Nintendo 64 cartridge. Sorry to not find the watch theme music, i made my own :-D Trying to be faithful to the original.

Original composer : 𝙂𝙧𝙖𝙣𝙩 π™†π™žπ™§π™ π™π™€π™₯π™š
Remake by 777Projekt - π™ˆπ™žπ™˜π™–π™šπ™‘ 𝙏π™ͺπ™§π™—π™šπ™§π™œ

The "Watch ...

β–Ά Play video
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i havent explained why to anyone

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πŸ‘

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been running well playing it on and off all day

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tomorrow gonna do some multi and take turns with some buddies to unlock all the things

paper orchid
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Yeah, I really want to try out Goldeneye

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Maybe I need to run to find a microSD reader lmao

eternal island
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can just ftp it with winscp

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think you can even use a phone over wifi to ftp

placid quiver
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FTP FTW

quasi storm
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Honestly, popping out the SD card should be a last resort.

placid quiver
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I ftp using my phone

quasi storm
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Same here. Or my laptop, via ftp or samba

placid quiver
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Between ftp and the remote script I just use my phone to manage my mister

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Always can use a USB drive too

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I use a HDD for psx and Saturn

cerulean elk
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I got to silo no issues but then ran out of time

mild ether
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SMB works just fine with a MiSTer.

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Can just make a shortcut to whatever directories you want on the MiSTer or even load things from a share on the network.

paper orchid
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These would all work if I was home rofl

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The MiSTer has zero network connectivity right now, it's with me in a hotel room

stiff condor
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Does the hotel have WiFi? Lol

stuck summit
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So uh yesterday it seemed like the GoldenEye crashes would take at least a few days maybe weeks to fix and it's already fixed?

fickle yew
manic basin
woeful grove
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Sooooooo....

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as it turns out forum posts have a maximum of 1000 active users, and this one managed to get full

weary palm
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Hey Rysha

woeful grove
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So that more people can participate, i've created a 1-off channel for n64

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#n64-dev

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Please use this channel

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I'm going to lock this thread to help people move over there, really sorry to have to do that, but I had no idea forum channels had such a limit

woeful grove
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re-opened this for regular use now, as it winds down the other channel will be archived

languid dune
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This brings back memories!

neat sierra
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It feels pretty accurate from the old days but there’s a bit of typing latency and I think the following color was periwinkle

hearty oar
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Just need to switch off all the AA and texture filtering options and play only MK 64 and it will be just like old times

neat sierra
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Let’s get some noface in here

chilly ember
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Wow n64 channel up and at em. Much nostalgia

zenith orchid
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Did the maximum increase or something?

chilly ember
fair stump
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"Welcome back to the channel, everyone"

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lament escarp
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I forgot how horribly cursed those kokiri children were.

manic basin
manic basin
orchid nimbus
kind solar
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come back 9 months

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was that how long it took?

languid dune
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I've traveled back in time. Alllll the way back to....2023!

lament escarp
manic basin
chrome quest
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My baby needs a new pair of special custom order glasses. Anyone know a good store? I'd also like the Vaseline coating please

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lament escarp
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There should be a bloodborne mod based on Eldridge pikachu

eternal island
neon heron
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Fearless wretch
Insanity
He watches
Lurking beneath the tree?

wind lark
weary beacon
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Hey, is it a known issue that Mario kart 64 runs too fast in certain stages when playing multiplayer? I couldn't find any info related to this happening on Mister specifically

fair stump
night saddle
weary beacon
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Maybe 2 players but rarely

elfin depot
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I remember reading in order to get multiplayer to actually function they had to remove some textures and polycons and such, so in some parts when you're playing 4 player it can actually speed up due to having to process less of that in the background.

wanton sun
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The game is tied to the framerate and they reduced it to 20 for those modes, but you can still reach 30 in some parts because they didn't prevent it. There are some hacks in e.g. mupen that lock the framerate to 20 for multiplayer to improve the experience. But I didn't look if that is something our cheats could do

upper bluff
wanton sun
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it's explained here and there are only 4 memory addresses. Our cheats should be able to force 30fps for multiplayer with that

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oh, at the end there is even a patch mentioned. Maybe someone would like to try it

storm vessel
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N64_TURBO_20240323 is the current one, isn't it?

orchid nimbus
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yup

gusty cobalt
plush summit
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yes

lament escarp
cerulean elk
lament escarp
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You did your best that's all that matters.

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You are the best at participating actually.

cerulean elk
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I’d have had to have started the channel long ago to see those numbers

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Maybe if I have Robby guest star I can get the great state of Texas to all tune in

lament escarp
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The two of yoh should livestream superman 64 for charity. On hard.

languid dune
lament escarp
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I know! elmorise

inner bronze
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"Robert Pee-ipp"

zealous hull
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Oh hey look, the old thread re-opened.

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Hi folks!

weary beacon
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Hey, does anyone know how to properly patch N64 games? I tried patching mario kart 64 with the lag fix patch and now the game not only runs super fast but is also weirdly stretched out for some reason. I Used the patcher+ tool

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And the N64 80mhz core gives me a black screen, not sure why

manic basin
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If it's not crashing, you probably did patch it correctly... Patcher+ is just kind of a pain to use. Requisite "make sure you're on the latest version" spiel.
But apart from that, you have to go through every tab to make sure only the patches you want are selected. Stretched out sounds like maybe a PAL patch got applied? If it was squished, I'd say widescreen, but stretched sounds like something else. I'm not quite sure on that one.

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I'm going to try it and see what it looks like for me. I'll report back.

weary beacon
manic basin
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OK, yeah...the Patcher+ patches are corrupting it pretty bad.

weary beacon
manic basin
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I'll see if I can narrow down which one.

weary beacon
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The only patch I applied was the lag fix

manic basin
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Yep, Lag Fix causes the stretch for me. Removing that and adding the others cause different issues. Confirmed it wants Rev0, which is what I'm giving it.

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I wonder if the patches are emulator-only.

weary beacon
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I wonder what are my options for patching the game then? There's a code available for the fix online but I'm not sure what to do with it

hearty oar
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I would avoid patches that aren't console-tested, even on emulator

manic basin
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60fps has some graphical issues as well. Widescreen is the only one that doesn't seem to have a problem.

hearty oar
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although I guess yeah a patch for more performance is designed for emulators I suppose...

manic basin
weary beacon
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There's also a link to pastebin at the bottom with all the patches applied but I just wanted that one lag fix patch

manic basin
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Those look like live patches

weary beacon
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And the program they recommend I use has a broken link

weary beacon
manic basin
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For emus that support on the fly patching.

weary beacon
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Would you also happen to know why the 80mhz n64 core is causing my mister to crash? I downloaded the most recently available core but I get stuck on a black screen when loading it up

manic basin
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Not sure on that one. You can try deleting it and redownloading.

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But I've not seen it crash. I've seen games crash it, but not it crash the MiSTer. So I hope everything is ok...

weary beacon
manic basin
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Oh, I think you do...

weary beacon
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...

manic basin
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The latest unstable has been sitting for a while, so I do expect it to be merged soon.

weary beacon
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I need to find a guide, learning all this info has been rough lol

manic basin
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I may be wrong on that. It might only be Saturn that requires latest unstable.

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It's...daunting.

weary beacon
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My biggest issue other than that is I would like to specifically assign a usb controller to something other than P1 but I can't seem to figure out how to do so. My Snax64 is p1 and p2

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But it keeps assigning my friends usb controller to p1

manic basin
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I haven't done enought testing with controller mixing.

weary beacon
# manic basin It's...daunting.

So far it's been pretty plug and play but there just isn't enough readily available info all in one place I guess. I really had to search around to find out what everything does

weary beacon
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I only have two controllers

manic basin
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I have the Snax64 which seems to respect the ports on the SNAX itself. But I've not tried adding in USB controllers, just the original hardware. I'll give it a go tomorrow.

hearty oar
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so wait you want one SNAC as P1 and USB as P2?

weary beacon
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It did work though, as long as the USB controller was P1 while my Snax was p2 and p3

weary beacon
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The issue I ran into was the usb controller didn't respect the port order of Snax and would automatically make itself P1 when pressing a button

hearty oar
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ah I see. Even with controller type set to SNAC for 2 first 2 ports in the menu? That sounds like a bug otherwise...

weary beacon
manic basin
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I can't get a USB controller to recognize at all if the first controller is SNAC. Just tested.

weary beacon
weary beacon
manic basin
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HOWEVER...if I plug SNAC into port 2 on my SNAX64 and set port 2 to SNAC and port 1 to ControllerPak it works.

weary beacon
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It won't register any inputs but it will be set as P1

manic basin
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Yeah, it's set as player 1 but it doesn't do anything. But reversing them so SNAC controllers are after USB in the chain (and matching the port on the physical SNAX64) seems to work.

weary beacon
hearty oar
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I wonder how other cores behave in that regard...

weary beacon
manic basin
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I know I've used a SNAC as 2nd player on Genesis just because of light gun.

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With a USB first player.

weary beacon
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Maybe it's just an issue with the N64 core specifically ?

manic basin
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Possibly. I've used 1 and 3 snac (for Pod Racer... everyone should try it once) with no 2, but never actually mixed before.

hearty oar
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ok yeah this setup totally works with SNES at least

weary beacon
hearty oar
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I can plug in my SNAC controller to port one and still control player 2 via USB

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and that core doesn't even have a per-player SNAC setting...

weary beacon
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So then yeah it seems like a bug

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It sucks development stopped though, I'm not sure if this is something that can be fixed anytime soon. Would be awesome if there was a wiki of some sorts with all this info

manic basin
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Lemme try a 2p snax instead of the 64. Just to see what it does.

hearty oar
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oh yeah I should probably say I am trying it with a 2P SNAX also, I don't have the 4p version

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I guess I should try the 64 core also...

weary beacon
manic basin
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2P snax works as expected. Shit.

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I can use USB as player 1 and snac as player 2 no problem.

hearty oar
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yep, same

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on 64 core also

weary beacon
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What's the solution then?

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Or moreso, how can I go about making a bug report and to whom

manic basin
manic basin
weary beacon
manic basin
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I'm sorry, I effed up the order. @hearty oar maybe you can confirm. If I do SNAC as player 1, even on 2 player SNAX, USB doesn't accept inputs again. I dunno why I had it backwards when I set it up for testing. It's late and I have the dumb.

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I'll file a bug. It probably won't get touched. But at least we can have it for tracking.

hearty oar
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actually yeah not sure what I did but trying it again now on Smash Remix and nothing for p2...

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not sure if I accidentally had it as p3 or something before...

weary beacon
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BTW, I appreciate you two helping me figure this out I know it's late

hearty oar
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I tried SNES again just to be sure I didn't hallucinate it and no, that definitely works

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ah, yeah I think I had it as P1 USB, P2 SNAC - which yeah, totally works

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protip, don't try this with 2 n64 controllers, one plugged in to reflex adapt, you may get confused

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but yeah P2 or beyond as USB and P1 as SNAC is a bust

manic basin
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@hearty oar is that on SNES as well? I'm all turned around, hehe. Or is SNES just fine on all counts?

hearty oar
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sorry yeah, SNES was all good

vapid hawk
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might be n64 specific

manic basin
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Seems to be.

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So the fix for now, @weary beacon, is just make sure all USB controller players are set first, then set SNAC controllers last.

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So controller 1: N64Pad/ControllerPak, controller 2: SNAC (and port 2 on the SNAX64), controller 3: SNAC (and controller 3 on SNAX64) and that should work. But it's not ideal for sure.

hearty oar
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PSX might be another good one to try to see if it’s affected, had the same kind of per-port settings

vapid hawk
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i've done that, about a month ago?

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guncon on snax p1 then usb pedal as usb p2

weary beacon
hearty oar
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Yeah thanks for writing that one up Andy πŸ˜„

manic basin
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Np!

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Sorry for being scatterbrained about my setup.

wanton sun
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isn't the issue that if you only have one usb controller it will be mapped to p1, so the inputs will not be received at p2 if you use nsac for port 1?

vapid hawk
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oh, er, this might be by design kind of? if you want p2 to be a usb controller you need something to take the p1 usb position

wanton sun
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what if you have 1 snac at slot1, then 2 usb controllers and set usb as second slot. The second usb controller should work then

vapid hawk
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yeah that

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i had to get a random controller to be p1 usb so my pedal could be p2 usb

manic basin
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Ooooh

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I would have never thought to try that

wanton sun
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the core doesn't know that your usb controller is suddenly in port 2, mister framework will still report it as first slot, but the core is expecting port 2 inputs for port 2

vapid hawk
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its kind of unintuitive - ideally p1 usb would become p2 usb when snax is enabled. probably hard to do

wanton sun
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the mister overlay will display your connected controller as P1, not sure if you can change that assignment

manic basin
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It just works on other consoles, but I'm guessing it's more complex here

vapid hawk
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you can't manually change the usb assignment, you can reset it to redo it if you want

wanton sun
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it could be done of course, it's just a shift of the index. The question is if we want that

manic basin
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Thanks for the tip!

vapid hawk
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but like, say for some reason you wanted to use 3 snax controllers and 1 usb one, you'd actually need 3 dummy usb controllers to achive it

manic basin
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I'll close the bug

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I've just been using all original or all USB, so I've never run into this. I'm sure it's somewhere in the chat, but searching sucks... Threads doubly so