Nintendo 64

[quasi storm]

In a bid to stay on topic...

I wonder if gorilla tags graphics could run on an N64.

[thorn flax]

did you use the Atlantis or the ironclad daughterboard?

[zinc dawn]

New core today ? 🙂

Used to be being spoiled.

[ebon kindle]

No way, mentions of TLB in #test-builds ?????

no way

[zinc dawn]

Yup. Its being done

Probs be finished in a week or so.id imagine fully Implemented before the holidays

[chrome quest]

We should all be grateful the man gifts us the N64 core. Who knows when things like TLB will be completed. Robert will go at his own pace, and indeed, hopefully have some wonderful holiday break soon

[hollow rune]

Only a few games left

[quasi storm]

You been away for a bit?

[ebon kindle]

Yeah

[quasi storm]

Oh, dang!

Yeah man! There are, like only 5 TLB games that are left to get working!

[daring meteor]

You returned at the right time

(Unless you're holding out for goldeneye I guess lol)

[quasi storm]

After TLB is buttoned up, what's left? I believe it's YUV textures, LOD and possibly some other things to help with speed.

I'm still not convinced the core is running quite at full speed.

These last few points may be the biggest pain, though, since Robert seems to be saving them for last.

I also wonder how the mini TLB is going to fit. Can it expand at all? Will it need to shrink? CAN it be shrunk any more??? The questions are still in the air.

[daring meteor]

Right now it seems to fit nicely haha

[daring meteor]

This is mainly just the data TLB

[daring meteor]

RSP dual issue
Timings (In particular ones for problematic games like Indiana or jfg)
The Banjo 2 check
A better fix for the battletanx games

[zinc dawn]

Oh my god its a nightmare setting up the n64 switch controller. Any hints?

The analog stick moves me not just forward back and right but vertically and horizontally

[solemn maple]

In the core you map up, down, left, right to the d-pad

not the stick

[zinc dawn]

Ya kiddin

Ta Duck

I'll try it now

[solemn maple]

The analog stick is configured in the menu core

[zinc dawn]

Silly me

[solemn maple]

I made the same misstake 😛

[zinc dawn]

I guess you don't need to define the stick just the buttons

Haha

[solemn maple]

Pretty sure Robert doesn't have control over the input prompts

[zinc dawn]

Anyway i really appreciate it

What did you map in the define joystick controls in mister main?

I made sure I defined all the buttons on the controller! Just to be safe 🙂

What bluetooth adapter do you use for your mister?

[solemn maple]

just d-pad directions, stick directions, confirm button, back button, lefr/right triggers and OSD button.

I think I'm just using a cheap BT 4.0 adapter

bought the adapter 3 years ago so I don't remember the brand

[zinc dawn]

Just any old sort of one works aye? Thank you for your advice ill order one off ebay

[solemn maple]

I'm sure there are adapters that work better than others.

[stiff condor]

It's the iron clad plus

[thorn flax]

I use the same

[stiff condor]

It's very nice

[storm vessel]

Saw Mr.Bacon's video with GoldenEye 😄 Are there any particular settings we need? Cuz my game typically freezes in the opening music after agent>start.

[hasty kayak]

Dance Dance Revolution? 😉

[wanton sun]

this TLB stuff is really stupid. fixed another 2 bugs today and still goldeneye and conker are not stable

it's getting frustrating, especially since i cannot find any halfway consistent crash anymore, it's all 20+ seconds

but still too often to be playable

[thorn flax]

as bad as you feared or worse?

[neat sierra]

Sorry Robert, maybe take a break until after the holidays, these nerds have plenty to play for now 😉

[wanton sun]

will probably post a build today and maybe anyone finds a spot that has a reproducible crash

[fallen sparrow]

That looks really nice.

[daring meteor]

Hopefully the last one

[thorn flax]

if anyone has some candidates for tlb games that might give a crash let me know and I'll sink some time into it

[wanton sun]

i mean, sometimes i can play GE from fresh boot, icluding watching the level cutscene, not skipping with button mashing go until end of level 1 without issues

but sometimes it just hangs random 😦

[solemn marlin]

I tried like 20 times yesterday (from fresh boot with a presses), only crashes, sometimes a frozen frame of the truck or something

Sometimes a black screen with music still playing

Though I really appreciate how the menu looks, don't think I've seen it correctly emulated in 20 years tbh

[oblique crow]

Maybe it's not tlb related? Goldeneye (and rare games in general) used a lot of hackery to work

[mossy vector]

Since this is MIPS, there's the instruction pipeline causing the extra instruction after a branch to still be executed? Now that there's memory page boundaries, there could be hidden reloads and discards to consider. You have my deepest sympathy.

[steady basalt]

Golden Eye was notorious in older versions of project64, it required more powerfull computers to run decently, when compared with other games.

[marble cargo]

I think Conker's Bad Fur Day heavily uses anti-piracy flags similar to Banjo-Tooie. Maybe I might be wrong on that, but I know the later Rare games in general are really fickle.

[wanton sun]

could of course be not tlb related but it's still the most likely cause

[native mesa]

It's a shame that the #1 game people want is causing the most issues. I agree maybe take a break focus on other stuff and the solution may come to you

[wanton sun]

yes, this was indeed one of the bugs i fixed today

[oblique crow]

This is a dumb idea but Goldeneye has been decompiled (alongside perfect dark). Would looking there provide any insight?

[wanton sun]

i would highly doubt it's the #1 game out of the full library, but probably the #1 of the missing ones

[wanton sun]

maybe, but it gets very deep if i have to consider this

[oblique crow]

Like I said. Dumb idea

[wanton sun]

i would need to also modify the code to add some debug prints, be able to build it, ... maybe as last chance

[vapid hawk]

any of the TLB testroms showing anything?

[wanton sun]

i only know of the n64-systemtest but it's very basic

it tests only a handful of accesses

As goldeneye on average runs tens of seconds out of cache with TLB, the error rate is below 1:1 billion for a single instruction

very likely only a special condition

[vapid hawk]

tricky

will it crash if its just idling or do you have to actually be playing it?

[daring meteor]

@wanton sun https://github.com/PeterLemon/N64/tree/master/CPUTest/Exceptions/TLB

Are you aware of this?

[wanton sun]

If anyone wants to try. GE should be more stable, conker maybe slightly. Conker also has the render bug fixed

[vapid hawk]

we want to try to find some consistent way to crash GE right

anything reproducible

[daring meteor]

THE TEST FAILS

[wanton sun]

best i found so far is opening the pause menu (the clock)

[daring meteor]

LETS GO

[vapid hawk]

maybe try setting autofire on start so you can spam it

[wanton sun]

i get it easily with savestates, but still takes like 10 attempts and costs about 30 seconds, no chance to simulate

gauntlet graphics also improved

[vapid hawk]

is Kasher onto anything there? that looks interesting

[wanton sun]

ares has the same result

[daring meteor]

Unfourtenate

[wanton sun]

it tests some pre values from the bootup...the important ones are fine

[cerulean elk]

Ooh fun. Will test this later today

[mossy vector]

Oof. Dr. Doak (David Doak) claims to have learned C during the programming of the watch menu. It's a cool feature but I bet the programming there is really jank.

[silent marten]

Conker has gotten to the intro for me on this build, goldeneye still can't get into game at all

[cerulean elk]

any more speed?

(thinking bout doing side by sides)

[silent marten]

From what I remember of the N64 version of the game it feels like the intro is running at about full speed

[cerulean elk]

awesome. Last time I showed it was feeling slower than real hardware

[hollow rune]

Goemon takes issue

[silent marten]

And freeze after intro anyway 😦

[cerulean elk]

but Bomberman Hero already works

[silent marten]

But at least it is getting this far now

[native mesa]

Lol I love Goemon but best selling games don't lie

I don't think we are representative of the populous in our tastes in this channel

[silent marten]

I look forward to the day I can fight a certain boss in Conker again

[hollow rune]

It is true. I can only speak for Team Door Door

[silent marten]

🎵 me me me me meeeee 🎵

[native mesa]

Time to leave Dr. Doak

[silent marten]

Ohhh it auto saved after the intro and I am in game on Conker now 🙂

[cerulean elk]

good to know. I will remember that for capture later

probably do a random 4pm again today with side by sides

[native mesa]

You get the ultra HDMI n64?

[cerulean elk]

no side by sides core to core

show improvements

[native mesa]

Oh got it

[daring meteor]

Does Star Wars have any changes?

[silent marten]

Haven't tried it yet Kasher

[cerulean elk]

yeah ping me @silent marten if you find new working games so I can add them to my list

(please)

[daring meteor]

You know about the battletanx build?

[silent marten]

Unfortunately I have to go out so I am leaving my MiSTer doing an idle test on Conker, but if you haven't finished capturing I will test some of the non boots to see if there is a change when I get back

[cerulean elk]

No worries. I wont capture til noon CST

[silent marten]

So like 2.5hrs from now??

[cerulean elk]

four hours and 17 minutes lol

[worn delta]

If Goldeneye is being such a nightmare, is it worth focussing on passing all the TLB symtests and see if that makes it more stable?

[cerulean elk]

it refuses to work...some call it "Dr. No....work"

[daring meteor]

All TLB symtests are passed, except for the ones I posted, which ares also does not pass

[vale verge]

Goldeneye always hangs at the end of the opening demo after all the characters are introduced. I've run the game from a new core boot about 10 times and it always hangs there after it fades to black. Might be reproducible enough to debug?

[cerulean elk]

this will be a fun vid to make...I am more entertained by the "this is what is causing X to happen" videos than "hey look this new core made this unplayable game perfect"

[fair stump]

Checked the usa no boots with today's build and saw no changes

[cerulean elk]

Ty!

So ares fails the same yet boots eh?

[wind lark]

In case this helps for anything, WaveRace Shindou w/ USA Enlish patch hangs at the logo with error 03 followed by error 00

[fair stump]

Anyone mind giving an example of an error code I should be on the lookout for?

[daring meteor]

This is known, you can swap the save file tempoarily to fix it, or use an alternative build

[blissful plaza]

I have some better results with Fast RAM access ON with GE and Conker, but I can't find any (easily) reproductible crashes at the moment in-game.

[bronze tree]

Also hangs here at the end of the demo with E0000040. @wanton sun is that a known issue?

[chrome quest]

I believe reproducible E40 (or E60 as it had the same error bit of interest)

[fair stump]

So that means E0000040?

[bronze tree]

Critical Exception occured

[wanton sun]

i only ran that twice and the second time it went into some demo gameplay

first time it hang without error code...so seems random

my current hope is that opening the clock and battle for naboo are related. Both trigger an unaligned address exception

but not today anymore, 8 hours of TLB stuff is enough

[cerulean elk]

DDR time

[wanton sun]

can you share the save? it also saved for me, but still wants to play the intro again

[silent marten]

I will post it when I get home Robert

[wanton sun]

thank you, no need to hurry 🙂

maybe it helps this weekend to find more spots for crashes

for me personally conker is more important than GE...maybe i just hope it's somehow like Banjo but different style

[silent marten]

If I can help in any way you know I am happy too

[silent marten]

As much as I loved Goldeneye with friends back in the day, Conker is more important to me as well

[ebon kindle]

that's awesome

[cerulean elk]

Conker’s BAG fur day lol

[iron dove]

I feel ashamed for not thinking of this 🙂

[fair stump]

It's just like watching a modern Patriots game. Minus 3 picks per game

[cerulean elk]

Yeah what football game started running recently with TLB? Quarterback club?

Someone asked to see that running but I can’t remember which one because I rarely do sports stuff

[fair stump]

This is qb club 2001

Quarterback club 99 and 2000 are also tlb and started working

[cerulean elk]

Perfect. Guess I’ll check it out. A later in the vid section

I tuck the more obscure stuff in the end since average view duration is like 51%

[orchid nimbus]

this game is so bad - I'm almost glad it doesn't work well

[knotty zealot]

i remember when i waited for hours on my 56k modem to download this full trailer

@wanton sun you play ddr with a mat or controller

[solemn marlin]

I still don't know what it's about, they were really on a streak with bad game adaptations back then

[orchid nimbus]

slap the name southpark on it... it'll sell

[knotty zealot]

one thing about that ff6 fmv. at the end you see her clothes fade away. did she ever walk around half naked like that in the game? while it's been forty thousand years since i played it, i don't recall that happening and that can only mean one thing. there were some horny fmv editors at square!

[silent marten]

Ahhh Vamp you can't wait for it to be working perfectly lol

[orchid nimbus]

you got me

[silent marten]

But yeah it is pretty bad

Left Conker idling in game and just got back home and video has hung and audio is still playing

@wanton sun as requested

This is a save just after the intro for anyone else that wants it

And after a reload it crashed again after the conversation with Birdy 😦

I hope it can help you Robert

[wanton sun]

thanks, it works

[cerulean elk]

Where do we jam the saves again? I haven’t done it in forever

[silent marten]

First make sure to remove the _ from it because Discord hates spaces xD then just drop it in media/fat/saves/N64

[cerulean elk]

Discord hates everything lol

So leave spaces tho? But not underscores. Got it

[silent marten]

Yeah if your ROM is named the same as the save file then it will work just fine

[cerulean elk]

Bingo thx

[silent marten]

Anytime bro

[silent marten]

Don't think Paper Mario likes me very much lol

[cerulean elk]

A good judge of character 🤣

[silent marten]

Feel free to make a joke with this in a video if you like bro

[cerulean elk]

Lol if you had a capture card @silent marten I’d put you to work!

[silent marten]

I have one xD

I got an Elgato HD60

[chilly ember]

That'll do

[cerulean elk]

Then get capturing and emailing lol

(Real talk if you have some footage lmk. I’m gonna capture at 12 but getting deep in games takes me too long sometimes)

[modern sleet]

Is there any capture device that will allow you to play something like MegaMan 2 with decent latency ?

That's my bar for a latency test

[cerulean elk]

Yeah you just need to use the passthrough. Elgato lag is totally acceptable. I use it to capture bullet hell shmups and I only die if I mess up…not lag wise

[languid dune]

But we like you!

[cerulean elk]

I have a newer capture card waiting to go into my PC. 4K60 Pro MK.2

Just gotta decide on a scaler to put into it

I’m def not on the review Tink list 😂

[modern sleet]

Which device ? The pro mk 2? Or hd60?

[cerulean elk]

HD60S. But the Pro MK2 is rated at same latency

[languid dune]

It's always exciting to discover a secret core build in the thread. Like finding burried treasure!

[knotty zealot]

anybody finished paper mario yet

[mossy needle]

Assuming there are no huge bugs I should be done with it tonight after work

[languid dune]

I'm only at the Koopa Bros. fortress.

[cerulean elk]

If you beat it ping me. I like to tell people in vids once we confirm popular games can be completed but I don’t have time to do it myself

[chilly ember]

I've got a pro mk2 and the latency is ok but I'd rather not try and play a game on the capture software

[mossy needle]

You got it

[cerulean elk]

Thanks!

[mossy needle]

I forgot how broken BP build is in that game

[vapid moat]

No wonder, give them their shell back!

[modern sleet]

I wonder how these compare to the AverMedia ones

[orchid nimbus]

I got the HD60S+

works perfectly on Debian - just plug and pray

[marble cargo]

So you plug it in and then kneel to pray?

[cerulean elk]

My new elgato is just sitting in the box. No use till I have a scaler. But it was on sale over the holiday so save money and let it sit

Get it on this years taxes too

[prisma hawk]

Here is Perfect Dark running in my dedicated cinema in (almost) scope, 2.35:1, 7.2 (decoded, with surround sound selected in the game menu) surround sound. I’m not sure why the sides are slightly cropped on my screen, it looks like an odd ratio. Image is approx. 96” wide/ 105” diagonal. MiSTer set to 1280x720p. I tried the 1440p resolutions, but sadly my receiver and projector don’t seem to support them. Using the Arcade 90s video profile in MiSTer. N64 core, all settings at default. Screen is an AT (acoustically transparent) Screen Research 2.35:1, which is ISF and THX certified. Projector is a JVC X7900, also THX certified, though I need a projector calibration. Running a 9.2 JBL Synthesis system with JBL SK2-3300s up front - some of the best speakers ever made. These were used in many commercial cinemas and at the Canne’s Film Festival. Receiver is a Yamaha A3070 with EQ. I hope to upgrade to a Trinnov one day. Room is yet to be acoustically treated.

I am always shocked by how great N64 sounds in here from MiSTer, it really showcases what it was capable of audio-wise, despite its shortcomings in audio fidelity and capability. Perfect Dark sounds phenomenal from my system and I am grateful to be able to hear and enjoy the game like this. I also never heard the clear (to me, at least) Terminator music influences with what sounds like the same Prophet-10 and Oberheim OB-Xa synths that Brad Fidel used, played in a similar vein in at least two of the games tracks that I have heard of late whilst testing. Hearing Perfect Darks start up in 7.2 was very, very thrilling and cool. As you may expect, 2.35 is very immersive and looks very, very good despite the low resolution. I could do with some more brightness for N64 at this size, though.

Please note that the blacks and colours are not quite as crushed in person, nor is the image as bright and vibrant as my camera captured.

I am also very impressed with Rare including scope ratios in some of their N64 games (I think GoldenEye has scope, too), very, very cool and glad I can make full use of it in my setup. Does anyone know of any other games that support scope/ 2.35/ 2.40?

[cerulean elk]

And here I am playing all my MiSTer on 1/2 of an ultrawide monitor in the wrong aspect ratio while capturing 🤣

21x9 / 2 = 10.5x4.5. Not a good ratio

[prisma hawk]

Ha ha ha! Ultra (half) 64.
I miss having an Ultrawide, I was looking at the Samsung G8 OLED as my next one.
If anyone knows any other N64 - or any games at all - that support these scope ratios, please let me know.

[cerulean elk]

I can’t be bothered to add a third monitor to my desk just for appropriately ratio’d gameplay when capturing

[safe robin]

Mr fancy pants.gif

[wind lark]

Latency has been unacceptable for time-sensitive gameplay on all capture devices I've tried so far - HD60S (not plus) to MacOS, Elgato Cam 4K to MacOS, AverMedia GC553G2 to iPad Pro older model. The dream of using any laptop or tablet screen with capture card to play external consoles is not happening.

[orchid nimbus]

so what's new here?

[viral portal]

Not much, man. How about with you?

[chilly ember]

Pretty good what about you

[cerulean elk]

yes the capture feed is useless

the HDMI passthrough is what works

[zinc dawn]

Ah ya know bit of this bit of that. Had a nice ride on the old motorcycle to repair an Outrun cab

[cerulean elk]

capturing Conker now...I think I like him better with half a face

[zinc dawn]

Lol. Ahh Conker. How stable is it?

[cerulean elk]

I am in the intro...selecting game 1 now

using that save @silent marten

froze on Conker shaking his hung over head...audio still running

[wanton sun]

when you get ingame it either crashes instantly or you can run around and swin until you talk

[cerulean elk]

instant crash for me

trying a second time...see if I get a diff result. The definition of insanity lol

lol now it froze on N64 logo...diff result

makes for great video fun though...showing the differences and the process

funny now though N64 logo intro but black screen to the bar

freezes randomly every time...but all in diff spots. Intriguing

[wanton sun]

well, the more freezing, the better luck with fixing it

[cerulean elk]

I can upload the whole capture @wanton sun if it helps to see it

[wanton sun]

i also get the freezes, no worries 🙂

[cerulean elk]

10-4

GoldenEye next

[wanton sun]

not much to win over the last capture

[cerulean elk]

intro to GoldenEye is looking good

getting attract screen demo running. Thats cool. I dont remember that working

(or I pressed a button too quickly)

and froze in level intro

GoldenEye a little freezier for me it seems

QB Club 2001 next

[wanton sun]

for me it works better, got to the second level the first time, but yes, still very random

[cerulean elk]

funny how its a variable

trying Conker one more time cause why not

lol and yes...works better. Getting some of the Barry Lyndon / Clockwork Orange inspired intro

Ive always wondered who exactly Rare thought would get that combo reference

it is interesting how Conker freezes with the in game cutscene halting but the sound sample finishing til that stops

[zinc dawn]

I'll try GE Japanese and maybe the extra ram patched one?

If I get time. Works hectic at the mo

[chilly ember]

I tried those extra ram patches the other day and they weren't doing anything different then

Maybe more luck with Japanese version. I can't test, not home for 5 hours

[zinc dawn]

Ahh thanks for the advice 🙂

Was the Japanese version the latest one?

[chilly ember]

Think that's the latest build yea

[cerulean elk]

ReVolt is such an odd game

[weary palm]

More like 2.25:1 than 2.35:1 then 🙂
96 / sqrt((105 * 105) - (96 * 96)) = 2.25

[cerulean elk]

Gauntlet legends then edit

[weary palm]

I got sound crackling in PD. Is this to be expected?

[safe robin]

Maybe some goldeneye cheat code could trigger it. Don't know if all cheats in the cheat menu can be unlocked easily

[mossy needle]

There is also a rom that has everything unlocked

Archived somewhere

[daring meteor]

Makes sense, probably the data cache

[chilly ember]

There are button combination cheats you can enter on the menu for Goldeneye

They're a pain to enter but they're there and they work

I used them to unlock levels in Japanese version because didn't feel like finding the save

[wanton sun]

majoras mask also had sound crackles and even sound stopping before the data cache, due to not enough cpu speed

but i'm not sure how much PD uses the TLB based datacache, so it could be something different

[daring meteor]

It uses 14 static entries of data TLB afaik

And that's it

[plush summit]

As the token Majora's Mask guy here, sound and sync has been improved on the recent builds. still significant slowdowns on the heavier cinematics, but never encountered obvious sound/crackling/desync issues

[daring meteor]

So no TLB misses happen

[wanton sun]

data TLB entries cannot use data cache (yet), no matter if miss or not. Only instruction TLB can use cache until now

[wanton sun]

more slowdown than real hardware in MM?

[orchid nimbus]

There is a sound/music demo that skips all over the place - might be good to use to debug

[plush summit]

Yes, heavy dipping in the Zora Hall during soundcheck when you go upstairs and hang out with the Zoras looking on and the end game cinematics with the Giants

[wanton sun]

bad place to check against real hardware, but well, maybe some day

[plush summit]

maybe Debug to get all Boss Masks and Oath to Order song?

If you need a save, I could share my MiSTer one

[wanton sun]

i have a 100% save if that helps, but i don't know the game, so i have no idea where i would have to go. And probably i would forget it until i have time to really dive into 😅

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun Do you by any chance maintain a fork without TLB? perhaps debugging can be done of non-TLB issues by using save states to bypass TLB in some cases

[orchid nimbus]

I'll set it to completable

thanks 🙂

any big issues?

I saw some graphical glitches with 'Merlin' when he summed his visions

but other than that it looks really good

[languid dune]

Yeah, Goldeneye definitely works a lot better with today's build. Played through the first mission without any issues!

[cerulean elk]

I must be unlucky today

[daring meteor]

I can say 100% that Goldenye isn't a game that will benefit from that

[languid dune]

You can do it! Just believe in the eye tat is golden!

[cerulean elk]

haha I had to stop

VO done

[eternal ravine]

That's part of the joy of Conker N64 - It feels like Rare DGAF and was making it for themselves

[uncut gyro]

today's build?

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-meme-damn-gif-24825563

[cerulean elk]

vid scheduled for 4

[trim seal]

It's in this thread at 00:10 but not in the test builds channel as yet.

[plush summit]

So, I've seen these kind of carts pop up, would it be possible to get RGB out of the Cart slot of the N64?

[daring meteor]

VI cart

[solemn marlin]

My man is having a casual session of perfect dark inside the las vegas sphere 🧐

[orchid nimbus]

Why is @knotty zealot in your game?

[oblique remnant]

he finally appeared 😄

[languid dune]

Yes

[zenith orchid]

Perhaps not, the game seems to run solely on TLB

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[stuck summit]

Rare wasn't one entity, they had multiple teams working on games. The Conker team wanted to differentiate their game from Banjo since they didn't think they could compete with a similar game, so they presented the idea of turning it into an adult comedy game to the Stamper bros who basically went "hell yeah do it"

They did a CBFD playthrough years ago which I believe still is in Youtube where they talk about this alongside a bunch of other cool tidbits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgtAXCaSlpk&list=PLuCZVGSPkGdFbyGs7bh71ayDtgXBfsxbw

found it lol

[plush summit]

I remember someone uncovering an uncensored build of Conker, did that ever get released?

[stuck summit]

btw this is where they talk about the DK64 team needing to use the expansion pak because of a gamebreaking bug and brag about Conker not needing one lmao

[elfin depot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/oeh8wc/conkers_bad_fur_day_uncensored_n64/

will have to test it when the core is done

[daring meteor]

inb4 you test it this weekend

[solemn marlin]

How do you get goldeneye to start? You have a save?

[oblique remnant]

not sure if that's entirely true or just mocking . I think a dk64 dev said that the exp was mainly used for the lightning effects that weren't possible otherwise

[daring meteor]

There's a build from today

[stuck summit]

True. Or maybe they actually made use of the extra memory since they would have to ship it due to the bug; regardless I think the teams at Rare competing with each other and bantering like that among them was a vital part of their output, which is cool

[oblique remnant]

they weren't allowed to watch what the other teams were doin etc. rivalarry was surely going on. BTW interesting Goldeneye Dev talk here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNN9XhGZ3Yw

[solemn marlin]

I did the downloader, I can't see any new test builds

Nvm I see

[stuck summit]

Quoting from the CBFD commentary "our games were so good because we hated each other (in the nice way). We looked at banjo's graphics and went "fuck, this looks so good, you fucking bastards" "

[oblique remnant]

the magic place 🙂

[languid dune]

It's like the way we all shit talk each other!

We hate with love.

[eternal ravine]

That is one fancy headquarters

[oblique remnant]

it was 🙂 Dutch Barn was Blast Corps and JFG btw

[quasi basalt]

There was a GoldenEye documentary released last year that was pretty interesting. Some cool BTS stuff about RARE and their games.

[cerulean elk]

vid is loose...full face Conker lol

[uneven prawn]

@cerulean elk wanted to tell you... FUCK REDDIT MODS ALL MY HOMIES HATE REDDIT MODS

[cerulean elk]

lol Reddit is weird. .08% of overall views. I post vids there so people know whats cool and new. Some people dislike that. Oh well

[uneven prawn]

I tried LOL bunch of clowns

[cerulean elk]

haha you dont get to see the chats and the emails I get...those are the best part. I ignore them. Keep having fun

[magic girder]

How can anyone hate your videos?! 🤯

[chilly ember]

Those guys need to chill out and play some superman 64

[coral timber]

Thanks for the link! Would have passed me by with the days being busy lately.

[cerulean elk]

do anything publicaly and people will find a reason to hate you

[magic girder]

Yeah, it’s stupid though

[cerulean elk]

I read the worst ones out loud to my wife for a laugh

Especially the "chronically single fat man who lives in his parents basement" ones

[viral portal]

Aw man, you're breaking the illusion!

[magic girder]

The irony being that those messages are probably coming from those exact kinds of people 😂

[hasty kayak]

So where is todays build that I read about? 🙂

[magic girder]

I think here: #1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

lol did you comment on my vid or did a DIFF dave ask me where to find the core?

[solemn marlin]

I was in goldeneye heaven for 1 minute before the game froze in the watch menu, does it always do that?

I wanted dual stick analog controls

[hasty kayak]

It was me 🙂

[viscid gate]

The save posted earlier works with it too

[cerulean elk]

Haha I knew it was too much of a coincidence

[cerulean elk]

Maybe I just hire an actor to play me in photos

[viral portal]

I'd volunteer as tribute, but I wouldn't make a very good "before" model.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve always got @languid dune in the comments being positive at least lol

[zinc dawn]

Got TLB ?

I can imagine TLB being the bane of Roberts existence at the moment. I commend him thoroughly.

[lone pewter]

i mean ...

the rate he pulls out things ....

robert is TLB's bane XD

[zinc dawn]

I like it

[lone pewter]

this guy just never puts a finger out of his keyboard xD

[zinc dawn]

I'm sorry I don't follow

[lone pewter]

where are you from ?

if you're from france i can translate to french xD

[zinc dawn]

United Kingdom

[lone pewter]

ok then it's just my english that is shit XD

[zinc dawn]

You mean his fingers never leaves his keyboard?

[lone pewter]

yep

every finger down is on. never out of keyboard space XD

[zinc dawn]

I see. Are you French?

[lone pewter]

indeed I am 🙂

you can call me MiSTer baguette

[oblique crow]

I'm the Drury one.

The silly one. Hehehe

[zinc dawn]

Allo Allo Monsieur!

[lone pewter]

not this type of call you silly ! we don't know each other yet. XD

[zinc dawn]

Have you seen Allo Allo?

[lone pewter]

I guess I did not xD

[cerulean elk]

Thanks @silent marten hope you liked your joke

[silent marten]

Hahaha I did bro, thank you for using my capture

[cerulean elk]

Thanks for sending it!

[zinc dawn]

Its a British sitcom where a cafe owner is part of the French resistance. Its really funny, if that's your sort of thing 🙂

[silent marten]

Anytime my dude, I am happy to capture anything you need 🙂

[cerulean elk]

I don’t write these jokes either. Just make them up

The first version I recorded I had to cut. It was too bad 🤣

[lone pewter]

never heard of it ^^ will take a look if I have time ^^

[quasi storm]

Hey @silent marten ! I don't think I've seen you around for a bit. How's trix?

[silent marten]

I been around bro, doing good thank you, how about you bro

[quasi storm]

Couldn't be better.

[silent marten]

Good to hear 🙂

[zinc dawn]

It's quite old. Like me I guess 😆

[lone pewter]

depends what you mean by "old" XD

the retro community has quite a wide age range ^^

[zinc dawn]

36 going on 63. Kids age you.

[lone pewter]

good one XD

I'm 28 and I (thankfully) don't have kids xD

so we are "not that far" ^^

[zinc dawn]

Kids are great fun. My eldest 2 love Nintendo, they got into it because i introduced them to N64.

Whenever I want some gaming time they take over!

Myself I'm more of a Sega / Sony guy

[lone pewter]

I mean ^^ if the mom isn't against it it's a great way to spend some family time 🙂

yeah ... nintendo is the "family" game kind

the rest is kinda "solo couch gaming" ^^

i mean ... nintendo "was" family time ...

[zinc dawn]

That's where Nintendo shines. The 64 has so many good multi player games.

[lone pewter]

now it's "lawyers up your bhole at each road corner standing before you" game kind ....

[lone pewter]

Indeed. and then it went south xD was good up to WII imo ... and then switch is starting to be more and more "meh"

not necesarilly bad ... just WAAAAYYYYY overpriced for the quality delivered ...

but let's not forget that DLC are there to fix (add more crap) it up !

[zinc dawn]

Gamecube was really decent. I'd like to get one of those.

I don't like moving while playing games.

[lone pewter]

XD

[zinc dawn]

Unless it's a lightgun

Or a steering wheel

And even then you can really play them in bed.

[lone pewter]

a lot of wii game are playable with a gamecube controller thx to homebrew scene ^^

[zinc dawn]

Niseu. Id like to play The Grudge game

[lone pewter]

gamecube had a lot of good games

wii too

3D marios are godlike.

sunshine AND galaxy are great ^^

anyway ^^ gotta have to go bed ... my eyelids are falling more that fall itself ...

gn people 🙂 most likely will wake up to robert having finished TLB XD

[trim seal]

Galaxy 2 was the underrated MVP of that generation.

[zinc dawn]

Good night bud! Take care.

I think I will get a gamecube.

Then I'll have PS2, DC and GC

[lone pewter]

fr. just way more "controversial" ... typical "1vs2" war ...

[lone pewter]

get a wii 🙂 way easier to get, AND retrocompatible.

unless you want the gamecube shape

[trim seal]

I stayed out of the politics, I just think more people should play 2 :p

[lone pewter]

then get a WII and trim IT XD

[lone pewter]

all 3D marios should be played tbh XD

[trim seal]

Pretty bummed that 3D Allstars only had G1 but then - maybe we get a V2?

[zinc dawn]

And Xbox. Nope sorry my dude I'd like the entire collection of 6th Generation consoles 😆

[trim seal]

Or I can just play it on my Wii or Wii-U :p

[lone pewter]

collection is collection. can't argue with this XD

[zinc dawn]

That's it really, just need to mod my xbox

[lone pewter]

care my dude. gamecube on wii-u calls nintendo's lawyers on direct hotline XD

[zinc dawn]

Hahaha.

[lone pewter]

if I recon it requires some fine soldering

or it might be the 360

i don't remember ...

anyway

i'm going bed for real xD

[trim seal]

Galaxy 2 was Wii / Wii-U I'm sure. That's what I was talking about :p I have a gamecube for gamecube games, such was the fashion at the time.

[lone pewter]

Yeah ... I'm just tired of Nintendo taking years to bring back games that are diying and trying to put down anyone that tries to save it. Would it be from backups or from hardware clones ...

This is why i love mister so much.

[trim seal]

Yep, Ninty be Ninting. Meanwhile, Mister be Mistering.

[lone pewter]

The tech in itself is crazy af. But the value... The memories... The nostalgia it brings ...

It's just what Nintendo refuses to bring back ...

So yeah ... Aliens like robert are gods.

[trim seal]

I'd love to get into a bit of core dev - I am an electronics engineer, but I just end up having too much fun playing with the different cores, plus with a young family etc - the time I have I prefer spending on testing upcoming cores as my way of contributing, for now.

But I'm 44, I was there from more or less the beginning of the home console market, the nostalgia for me is off the charts.

[lone pewter]

I work in web dev ... Hdl is just gibberish for me tbh xD

I'm only 28 but it's just great to be able to play the n64 games i played as a kid with my parents "like the old time". And it allows me to discover older consoles that I did not have the chance to play at the time ^^

[trim seal]

I did HDL for my final year project at uni - it's really not that threatening as a language. It's the implementation that gets a bit esoteric, particularly for hardware simulation.

[trim seal]

Exactly. For me as well, some of the older computers I never had access to, it's intoxicating.

Like getting a chance to go back and relive parts of my childhood with a different direction.

[lone pewter]

When you have basics in electronics xD i have to check ohms law everytime i try to get back at it xD

[trim seal]

Fair point :p So do most engineers, mind you.

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star
V = IR.

[lone pewter]

Reliving childhood as an adult. This is the best description of MiSTer possible.

This is a chance that has no price ^^

[trim seal]

Yeah. Too many adults forget how to actually play and have fun, as if that is something only for kids.

[lone pewter]

This again is why people working on these projects are gods.

The guy doesn't know me but makes me relive happy childhood memories. I'd honestly never be thankful enough for this community ^^

[trim seal]

Seriously, shit like this can be as simple as remembering a game you played, all the way through to helping heal old traumas.

[lone pewter]

Too true to accept it as real ^^

[lone pewter]

Too true to accept it as real ...

[solemn marlin]

Goldeneye hates me

[cerulean elk]

It told me it did yeah

[solemn marlin]

Well at least I still have your mother

How can the watch not count as a reproducible error? It freezes every time

[vapid hawk]

i think it ideally needs to freeze on the exact same frame every time and its not quite that consistent

[solemn marlin]

I guess

And the reason nothing is consistent is because of TLB?

[eternal ravine]

Amiga, MSX, and C64 are deep caverns of gaming to explore

Atari 800 also

[trim seal]

I have been deep diving through the Amiga catalogue, old half-remembered demo-scene stuff and some games that I played the DOS versions of - and don't even get me started on the mod tracker scene. C64 I did quite a bit of as a kid, MSX not so much but I will eventually poke around there too.

What I really want is a dedicated CD-32 core.

[eternal ravine]

Yeah, the premade Amiga image is extremely useful

Even if the platformers define "Eurojank", there's still a ton of good artwork and music

I also have a strange affection for ZX Spectrum, but I know this is pushing the envelope

They would port anything to that computer

[trim seal]

No, I love the spectrum. I got the Next during the first campaign, and even managed to get a Vega+ working from the leftover spare parts.

I'm Australian, we got a lot of that euro-jank here. Spectrum wasn't huge, here it was more about Apple-II and C64 in my childhood.

[eternal ravine]

I wish I had a toastrack

Yeah, I'm in the USA and it was Apple and C64 in my early days

Forged in the fires of Impossible Mission and Montezuma's Revenge

[trim seal]

Montezuma's Revenge and Wavy Navy for me. School morning break times spent in the computer room (that was a tiny room with one computer in it)

[eternal ravine]

Montezuma seemed impossibly deep back then

[trim seal]

It really did. Especially that last level where it was just falling and ropes and coins and more falling, an infinite void.

Still lives rent-free in my head.

[eternal ravine]

I just played that and Impossible Mission on the SMS core

And Choplifter, of course

[trim seal]

Of course.

Think we might be getting off topic. So, N64 amirite? :p

[eternal ravine]

Eh, people get on tangents in here
Just avoid animated GIFs

[trim seal]

I always seem to post an animated gif right after they tell people to not do that. Not sure why I've survived this long tbh :p

[fair stump]

Because our own Robby-Cop has not been in town

[eternal ravine]

Where is that fellow

[dreamy grove]

What's wrong with animated gifs?

[trim seal]

I looked in the mirror and said his name three times...

[eternal ravine]

We have a master at work in this channel, so I guess we're avoiding eye-flaying GIFs

But general is a free-for-all!

[trim seal]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-trooper-skull-trooper-gojo-skull-trooper-necro-gif-23954152

[languid dune]

Maybe I need to spice things up a bit!

[cerulean elk]

Bloody Mary spice

[orchid nimbus]

Is the updater broken or something?

Or just releases for testing only

[mossy needle]

Robert posted the builds in chat for testing purposes

[orchid nimbus]

Ok - I thought so.

[chilly ember]

Hmm the GE 009 xpak patch here might be the most stable way to play Goldeneye right now. Got through silo mission twice back to back, crashed at the end of the level second time

http://n64vault.com/ge-misc:8-meg-goldeneye

Got halfway through facility before it crashed

[cerulean elk]

Where were you six hours ago lol

[chilly ember]

Working lol

[cerulean elk]

Unacceptable 🤣

[chilly ember]

I'm sorry 😔😂

[cerulean elk]

Impressive you got that far though. I fought with it for awhile

[chilly ember]

Yea I tried the Japanese version and it was less stable than before it seemed so I tried the patches. Maybe I just got lucky with the one

Didn't do any of the levels before, just went straight to silo

[last scarab]

Shout out to the amazing devs that made Goldeneye 007 a success!

[solid crest]

It is probably more stable but it still crashed for me in the first level.

[weary palm]

Wow!

Doesn't work that great for me, sadly.

[chilly ember]

Yea I tried a few runs of facility going as far as I could, Doak's never in the right spot for a speedrun and when he was, it crashed before I got to the end of the level

Got Conker in the rock solid level just to see how the song was. little crackly still. Emulators had issues with this one being crackly. surprised it didn't softlock until 3 mins later idling in the middle of the level

[weary palm]

That is dope as all hell

[chilly ember]

Matrix level scene at the start made it through. Getting so close ❤️

[wanton sun]

had an idea yesterday evening about a bug in the instruction cache when TLB is used and while it was definatly a serious bug, it didn't fix conker or goldeneye. Well, that's just how it goes. 8 fixes already and still not there. I would not have expected it to be that hard.

But it also shows how few the TLB is really used in other games like Perfect Dark or Paper Mario, because they didn't need any of these fixes

[weary palm]

That's a N64 capture cart.

[fair stump]

Do other emulators not worry about these tlb fixes?

Or do they manage them in other ways?

[mossy vector]

Circuits versus software. The digital logic circuits literally must work realtime within the clock pulse edges. To do that, there are a bunch of decisions in parallel (combinatorial logic) where they need to collapse into a consistent and repeatable result. Whereas software on a much higher clock CPU can take many incremental steps to accomplish the task carefully and completely, on a FPGA you only have one go at it.

You've got one circuit to let's say trigger an addition of an offset. And another circuit path saying no don't do that for this particular case.

[mossy needle]

Somethings up with the fire

[thorn flax]

interesting. YUV maybe?

[daring meteor]

Unlikely

[wanton sun]

no error flag for it, no yuv

[wanton sun]

exactly. my emulator has two different cpu implementations. one doesnt implement the cpu pipeline and tlb works fine. the others does and it struggles just like the core

so very likely a race condition where the tlb triggers some exception, while something else happens in parallel

[plucky nymph]

Haha it’s a Halt and Catch Fire situation.

[manic basin]

Hah!

[weary beacon]

Do you know anyone who has already successfully implemented this kind of feature on FPGA that could help?

[hollow badger]

I'm confused. VideoGameEsterocia (or something like that) posted about a new core update, but I haven't seem an update in #test-builds since the 26th 🤔

[daring meteor]

Its in the channel here cause its not stable

[remote hatch]

#1096015979055697940 message

[wanton sun]

this is very implementation specific, not a special feature, so it cannot be ported from somewhere else

i had something similar early on with the core, where some games hang up random, e.g mario64. Some of the older ones might remember 😉

[hot spoke]

I do!

[knotty zealot]

why u h8'n

[weary beacon]

I remember that! You had a good luck to resolve this bug. With TLB and the very limited usage in games it won't be the same 😢

[wanton sun]

I'm not that pessimistic. i will find it, maybe not today or next week, who knows, but at some point it will be fixed

[daring meteor]

The fact it happens in your emulator too is good

[safe robin]

Du machst das schon! 😎

[worn delta]

The fact we are so late in the core development, with the vast majority of the library playing really well, before you have hit any snags like this is incredible. 🙂

[oblique remnant]

?! I didnt shot him ✌️

[spare meadow]

Don’t know if it was point before, but with yesterday built, Namco Museum seens to be fixed. No more yellow/black/blue stripe at the intro screen

[hollow rune]

sometimes brown

[native mesa]

Excellent find. Hopefully it helps squash the bug

[topaz otter]

wasn't this guy the prime minister of britain

[knotty zealot]

he is whatever you want him to be. could be mistaken for a rabbit.

they must've gotten the textures from somebody

[topaz otter]

i like in the second surface level, if you ring the bunker door like three times a bunch of guards come out

and one of them is glitched and has two faces

I used to get a big kick out of doing that when I was a kid

https://external-preview.redd.it/6wG1TRH9U867P71HpPM_aNtnJasf30HaKOv-2W-FOIg.png?auto=webp&s=6a07883b39cf2139cc8056258148735a09fedd16

[knotty zealot]

https://i.redd.it/swwcp2xigtq81.png

[topaz otter]

i now have to know if this was a real person

[native mesa]

Al Bundy is real.

[zinc dawn]

Sorry what was the find?

[solemn marlin]

Would be fun if it's just a straight photo of one of the devs but I must assume that it's a photo manipulation. Would still like to know who it's based on tho, a lot of the goldeneye devs are on twitter 🤔

[cerulean elk]

my spirit guide

[dreamy ridge]

Wowwww, GoldenEye working is an absolute milestone

[safe robin]

but its not

[dreamy ridge]

Oh, I saw the screenshots and got excited lol

[safe robin]

some people can play 1 or 2 levels but mostly it still has random crashes

[solemn marlin]

It's a manipulated photo of designer duncan botwood, dwayne isn't real 😪

[knotty zealot]

the real problem with goldeneye is dwayne. game's glitching out every time he appears.

[oblique remnant]

Its a basket case

[broken cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-i-will-find-you-taken-gif-5593626

[zinc dawn]

Is there someway someone can mod the custom faces in perfect Dark back in (you'd take a pic of yourself and upload yourself into PD multiplayer)

[native mesa]

There is some way to to basically anything

[zinc dawn]

Exactly it's just the doing bit

[native mesa]

I think original used Gameboy camera

[zinc dawn]

My coding level = script kiddie . More if a hardware guy. Yeah that was it GB cam

[native mesa]

N64 DD?

[orchid nimbus]

I like the DD part

[plush summit]

Ok, but what makes this cart special? Has anyone attempted getting video output from the cart slot like the NES?

[rich warren]

I'm guessing it was for publications to get frame captures to use in their magazines instead of taking pictures of the game on a CRT
NVM - read the text blurb next to the pic

Keeping this picture here though...
https://i.redd.it/hvnmozrwlet11.png

[plush summit]

I get that, but has anyone ever pursued understanding it? 😛

[nimble needle]

Dwayne Dibley!

[rich warren]

Found this - used to get your picture for proto Miis
" You can capture a face from the Capture Cassette or the Game Boy Camera, which works the same way as Paint Studio, or even just import a picture that you have made with Paint Studio if you want to.

After that, you can actually apply make up on top if you want some additional details that you cannot add otherwise. And then the expressions, which is nothing but a distortion of the face texture. You can do a lot or simply go wild and do some absurd faces…"
https://luigiblood.tumblr.com/post/629366910593712128/mario-artist-talent-studio

[plush summit]

noice

[rich warren]

so yeah - AV inputs only on the cart. Guessing the audio RCA jacks can be used instead of the 3.5mm ones to import some sound to put into a movie.

[nimble needle]

I assume something like that would need a standalone N64 DD core to fit the extra logic?

[plush summit]

The DD doesn't provide any extra processing, its just a microcontroller and a real time clock

[nimble needle]

For the cart though?

Just from what I've read about the SNES core's extra cart chips

[plush summit]

Would be redundant though, we already have digital/analog output on the MiSTer 😛

[nimble needle]

Ah OK. So it's there already in a sense?

[plush summit]

Well analog output is still a WIP, but it works

I was thinking that the RCA cart is something for real hardware

[nimble needle]

Right gotcha. Do you think the ‘Tape in’ ADC port theoretically work for audio input?

[dense wagon]

can test that with the adc test utility?

I have the old school addon that sits on the side of the headers - it works

[worn delta]

What are you thinking the ADC could be used for with the N64?

[plush summit]

Huh? I was only talking about outputting, not input lol

I have no clue about input

[nimble needle]

Ah sure OK. I've no clue full stop 😆

[plush summit]

No worries dude, one day, we'll get answers 😛

Its just something I noticed, wondered if anyone pursued it or cared

[zenith orchid]

I'm happy to see he's so focused on debugging goldeneye. at least that's what I've picked up so far. I thought he'd be more interested getting the rest of the no boot games to at least boot. If there are still any at least.

[wanton sun]

i just pick whatever seems TLB related and is easiest reproducible. So far this was GE. Now not so much, so i might pick something else, but in the end every game could profit, you never know

if i run out of ideas, i can always work on the tlb-datacache combination to make many games more playable (gauntlet hopefully)

[zenith orchid]

that might even fix goldeneye 🤔

[wanton sun]

as far as i can see, goldeneye does not use TLB for the datapath, only instruction

at least ingame

[zenith orchid]

could it alleviate possible race conditions though?

[wanton sun]

well, with 50 million instructions per second, i cannot see everything that is happening, so basically everything is possible 😅

[knotty zealot]

50 mips

[daring meteor]

Its just Indiana Jones and Star wars now 👀

[wanton sun]

tanx still needs a proper fix

[daring meteor]

And so does Banjo

[silent marten]

And JFG

[wanton sun]

also i should implement the cic6105 check for tooie and (probably?) jfg

[daring meteor]

JFG boots

[quasi storm]

But isn't that all it does?

[zenith orchid]

I'd say go for it, it seems to be a big target with the highest yield, and plenty of possibility for more further reaching fixes. 👍

[wanton sun]

so overall, i will work on anything tlb related until i run out of ideas, then shift to something else. Hopefully at that point GE and Conker will work. If not, i will take a second try later

[daring meteor]

You got this

[zenith orchid]

that's also kind of a big deal 😄

[wanton sun]

even if it doesn't seem like it, but the core is still in the phase of implementing "everything", the pure bugfix phase will be some time next year

[quasi storm]

Are you still having fun, though? TLB doesn't sound like it's much fun...

[zenith orchid]

Yeah once you're past that phase, then you might consider it beta and get it into the main repo right?

[wanton sun]

as long as i can make progress, it's ok. I would be happyier if the bugfixes would make the game fully playable, but it's my own fault. If i hide 10 bugs while writing it, i have to find 10, haha

not sure when it will go to main repo, but probably not this year

[tulip coral]

so long as we get one game working by christmas... 😉

[daring meteor]

Are you planning to put it in main repo near the release, or a bit off like you did with PSX?

[zenith orchid]

Does sorg require cores to be feature complete before accepting them into the main repo? 🤔

[wanton sun]

for me personally it doesn't really matter where it's at and when it's released, it has no priority

i don't think sorg would be against putting it in main at the current stage

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, considering the amount of playable games

[wanton sun]

there is one psychological part for me: i want to be on vacation for 2 weeks around christmas and raising github issue numbers in the repo at that point would really destroy this, so i will for sure not do it before

so i think you have to live with current repo/build distribution method until next year 🙂

[zenith orchid]

It's a good idea to get most of the implementation out of the way before accepting issue reports anyways.

[wanton sun]

that's another point: no official release before cic6105, tlb fully implemented, yuv, lod and some bugfixes (e.g. white lines in some transparent polygons)

[quasi storm]

You really mean it? You're AKSHUALLY going to take some time off?

I don't believe you.

[tulip coral]

hope you have a great time btw - you deserve it for sure

[quasi storm]

Someone needs to take your computer away.

[silent marten]

Turbo remember Xmas last year

[wanton sun]

yes, i really plan it, from 16th until next year. I didn't do any real brake since april, so i should

[quasi storm]

Yep. That's why I'm skeptical.

[zenith orchid]

are you really considering a full tlb implementation now? 👀

[quasi storm]

I think he means TLB fully implemented as he has planned it.

[wanton sun]

not the "32 entries compared in 1 clock cycle", but tlb working together with both caches and all specified management commands

[silent marten]

He took the 2 weeks off the PSX core, we had no audio whatsoever, as soon as Jan hit boom SFX, CDXA, CDDA all on Single RAM within the month

[zenith orchid]

I remember that

[covert bough]

It's been a great ride so far. Totally floored with the progress in the past 6 months

[quasi storm]

Yeah, see? He couldn't stay away 🤣

[wanton sun]

i think i was? can't remember fully

[silent marten]

He did stay away.. or at least that is what he told us xD

J/K Robert 🙂

[quasi storm]

Oh, we remember... We remember everything

[silent marten]

Enjoy your Xmas period and spend some quality time with your family 🙂

[zenith orchid]

I bet when you're on holiday and away from your own computer, you fix the issues and work on implementation mentally, similar to the way beethoven used to compose after he had gone deaf 😄

[wanton sun]

that's why i need 2 weeks. 1 is for getting the head free 🙂

[zenith orchid]

he's not denying it 😄

[silent marten]

Lol

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun just make sure we can play 1 game before x-mas ... else people will be mad 😉

[quasi storm]

One N64 is game, right?

[noble escarp]

I bought a mister in this period and, after getting everything and putting it together, i loaded the psx core and was like “uhh i don’t think all of these things are supposed to work yet”. That was the first time i felt his magic

[wanton sun]

that reminds me that i still need to check if Mario Kart is still working properly in 4 player mode, otherwise my christmas holiday is canceled 😅

[orchid nimbus]

I'm sure it will

I haven't booted Mario Kart in a while

[silent marten]

The man is a FPGA God, at the time he began his software emulator for the PSX there were talks of PSX being impossible on the MiSTer and Robert proved everyone wrong.... then came the rumours of N64 being impossible and once again Robert is like "impossible you say?? Hold my beer!!"

[wanton sun]

i wasn't that optimistic when i started 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

it's 'Halte mein Bier' 😄

[silent marten]

Lol

[nimble needle]

Slightly enhanced version for us colour blind folk

[lean spruce]

I was wondering about the "Perfect" score in the sheet. Is there really not a game already perfect? What is missing in Mario Kart?

[daring meteor]

RSP Dual Issue

[orchid nimbus]

sorry I don't have enough experience with color blindness to adjust for that

[lean spruce]

English?

[daring meteor]

The Speed is a little wrong

[zenith orchid]

I think the "Perfect" category was put there without really any thought to it. Games can't truly be verified as perfect. The best we can hope for is that the core itself passes, or gets as close as possible, to passing cycle accuracy tests.

[nimble needle]

No worries. I can send you some Liberty Cap magic mushrooms to help with that!

[daring meteor]

I mean, last time it was said that games would be set to perfect whenever the speed is not a little wrong

[zenith orchid]

Which is pretty much what I mean. The core itself would have to be "perfect" or at least close to it.

[silent marten]

We don't generally need perfection just completable

[quasi storm]

People are being all George Broussard about the "Perfect" designation... I tried setting a few games and got steam rolled😂

[lean spruce]

Perfect to me is "Completable without any visual or audio issues"

[zenith orchid]

The closest we had to perfection-testing on PSX core was comparing timings of attract modes with real hardware.

[quasi storm]

Oh no! Perfect is PERFECT! Don't argue!

[native mesa]

So if it runs at 1 fps the whole way it's still perfect?

[orchid nimbus]

you = @knotty zealot

[lean spruce]

LOL no haha!

[neat sierra]

It’s N64 so, yes

[orchid nimbus]

Dr Mario seems perfect to me

[quasi storm]

That depends: Did it run that way on real hardware?

[orchid nimbus]

Mario 64 seems perfect to me

[native mesa]

Mario 64 is missing LOD effect on bowser portrait

[lean spruce]

theres the Peach/Bowser painting

[silent marten]

Mario 64 has a minor issue with the Peach/Bowser painting

[zenith orchid]

And that's the crux of the issue. That is completely subjective. Someone might consider it an issue if a cutscene plays slightly faster or slower.

[quasi storm]

Go ahead @orchid nimbus... Set them as perfect. I DARE you.

[lean spruce]

otherwise its perfect to me

[silent marten]

Ahhh Tenshin beat me to it....

[remote hatch]

there are simply no perfect games on the N64 🙂

[zenith orchid]

not even namco museum?

[lean spruce]

not even... Superman 64?

[steady basalt]

If the same input can finish a game on the core and on real hardware.

[quasi storm]

Yeah, the entire library is kinda meh.

[remote hatch]

indeed

[native mesa]

Are the extra pixels on goemon coins something that happens on real hardware ?

It really is bothersome

[orchid nimbus]

Dr Mario set to Perfect

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I was going to say Dr Mario 64

I play that game almost daily

[native mesa]

Is FZero perfect?

[orchid nimbus]

FPS issues?

[zenith orchid]

solid 60 right?

I think the best way to verify F-Zero X is to compare timings of the attract mode to real hardware

[steady basalt]

Is there any issues with Smash Bros?

[daring meteor]

Afaik no

[mossy vector]

It's so subtle, LOD stuff.

[quasi storm]

I submit this to you, beautiful people: Let today be "Perfection" day! Let actually run through a few games to see if they are perfect.

[daring meteor]

But the FPS is wrong

[zenith orchid]

Maybe perfect category could be put to use after Robert is done with all the timing tests/fixes sometime next year. and essentially it'll be a perfect-until-further-notice kind of deal, where someone would have to prove imperfections in their issue reports, against real hardware.

[solemn marlin]

Any stages in goldeneye that are less likely to freeze?

[spare meadow]

Lost a few post today. Just to be sure: the last build was yesterday”s, right?

[quasi storm]

Turok: Dinosaur Hunter is perfect.

Someone wants to be a fact checker, go ahead... Pixel peep

[orchid nimbus]

@zenith orchid see DM

[zenith orchid]

👍

[quasi storm]

@orchid nimbus You coward.

[cerulean elk]

yeah you should! Take that time off

I am off from the 20th to Jan 2. I am not going near making videos

[lilac scroll]

Are you surprised at the outcome? Or were there just too many unknowns at the outset that you didn’t want to make assumptions about?

[vapid hawk]

wow goldeneye is stable today?

[solemn marlin]

I got through the first mission okay but it crashed in facility

[vapid hawk]

ah ok just more stable than yesterday then

[cerulean elk]

Wait was there another core today?

[solid crest]

The latest build was made yesterday #1096015979055697940 message

[vapid hawk]

idk thats what i was asking about!

[solemn marlin]

It's so good tho, really all I ever wanted from this machine, this is one of the few cases where I feel like changing vi settings makes it look better and more like I remember it

[cerulean elk]

Thats what I thought. Thx

[solemn marlin]

It was the patched rom so that might've improved my chances with avoiding random freezing 🥶

[solid crest]

Are you talking about this patch? http://n64vault.com/ge-misc:8-meg-goldeneye

[solemn marlin]

Yea that's the one

[orchid nimbus]

once 1 think is confirmed we

[uncut gyro]

since the OOT example thought to be the same as this is being discussed, relenting this in case @wanton sun has an updated opinion

[wanton sun]

the OoT "play button"? no that's something different

i'm not aware of z-fighting in OoT

[wanton sun]

i didn't expect that we could run the CPU at full speed, no. After the psx2x core, i assumed about 60mhz are maybe possible for the cpu and we would need extra cache and other tricks to get full speed. It turned out we can run the CPU at original speed with only "small" timing failure, which is the biggest surprise and luck for the whole project. Also the size of the single components turned out to be smaller than expected. One example: the whole CPU including the 32+64bit FPU is only barely larger than an example 64bit only FPU i found. It was very important to design everything from the ground up with the n64 architecture and logic size in mind. Overall, the constraints of the board/fpga even lead to the development direction the core went, but i honestly could not have expected it to be able to fit really every important part AND run at full clock speed. As i like the n64 much more than psx because of personal nostalgia, this is really amazing for me and i'm really happy for the result

[last scarab]

please get superman64 working before christmas! 😆

[wanton sun]

InsaneFriend even completed the game. This might be the bigger achievement than the core itself 😛

[plush summit]

It also occurs on Majora's Mask

[wanton sun]

the missing polygon, polygon borders or z-fighting?

first two i know off, last one not

[plush summit]

Z-Fighting, it occurs rarely, but some objects will start freaking out

I can't pinpoint the exact steps or locations

[wanton sun]

maybe i find some when i play it

[cerulean elk]

There’s still time to break Superman before Xmas @wanton sun

That would be the real Christmas gift

[wanton sun]

There would be at least one true fan being disappointed..or maybe not?

[silent marten]

What is wrong with endlessly flying through rings?

[cerulean elk]

Everything. Everything 😂

[daring meteor]

TLF

[vapid hawk]

there's stuff other than ring flying in that game

[solemn marlin]

It's in goldeneye as well but pretty sure it was always there

[vapid hawk]

most of it will make you wish you were flying through rings instead though

[silent marten]

I know I was joking xD

[quasi storm]

You're right. There's also picking up cars.

[mossy needle]

You can fly around rings too. Not just through

[quasi storm]

I still remember taking the game to a friend's house and showing him how cool it was, unironically.

[hollow rune]

It is time for Thursday Panda stream in like an hour.. Heart this if you want more MN Starring Goemon and Thumbs up if you want me to search for reproduceable bugs

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman Hero or bust lol

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-of-oz-the-wicked-witch-dorothy-patience-patiently-gif-14590331

[cerulean elk]

Panda streams 😂

[chilly ember]

Try to finish facility on Goldeneye without it crashing

[dense wagon]

Facility... gotta go for the world record

[knotty zealot]

epic

[north lagoon]

That is awesome 💪

[chilly ember]

Stars aligned and I got through facility without a crash with the patch

[rich warren]

as someone who grinded the level in the original game many times to get the invincibility cheat, this looks spot on

[chilly ember]

Dr doak not being in the right place ruined a few runs lol

[iron marten]

Goldeneye and Rogue Squadron II were the two games I completed 100% back in college. Wish we had the ability to share those accomplishments back then like we do now.

[rich warren]

Plus there were no videos showing us any speed run strats!
Some of the Gold Medals in the Rogue Squadron games are crazy, but worth it for the cool unlocks

[dense wagon]

that the 8mb patch linked earlier?

usual online patching process for that?

[chilly ember]

Yea that one, I used one of those online patching sites

[dense wagon]

awesome

[chilly ember]

It's still very crashy but can get lucky sometimes and you can finish a level if you're fast enough

[mild ether]

Still working on Indy just not a lot of free time to work on it this week. It's kinda a pain to work on because the loader for ghidra doesn't map the TLB address ranges for disassembly. Got to follow the jumps and branches by hand and disassemble it.

[plush summit]

cant believe I read that in Mike's voice

[silent marten]

you can do it, we believe in you

[daring meteor]

Good luck

[mild ether]

I will keep trying, just didn't want people to think I gave up.

[sly wasp]

If i was optimistic i would say 1 game (Superman) not working on christmas would be amazing for me personally. Everything else still seems unreal

[hollow rune]

https://www.twitch.tv/rgw_panda
Going live continuing Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, recently playable on MiSTer FPGA!

[fair stump]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingSplendidAlbatrossBibleThump-vC8naIMYEaDLqF1s

[zinc dawn]

Has Robert finished paused updates for now in the test build? I can't believe it's Christmas soon

[hearty python]

Thinks he has two more weeks 😁

[silent marten]

from what he said today, 16 days till his break

[zinc dawn]

A well deserved break.

Just hoping for Goldeneye 🙂 I can wait for the rest

[silent marten]

For sure

[zinc dawn]

I've been too tired to play any games recently

[silent marten]

He will try for Goldeneye and Conker but if he can't get it done before Xmas he will get it done early next year

[zinc dawn]

What an absolute legend. Yeah I'm sure it will be done. It's not if but when

[silent marten]

Ohh yeah for sure

[zinc dawn]

Some folks have had luck with the 8mb patch

I have odd SDRAm

[weary palm]

I haven't tried GE 8MB with the 20231129 release

[zinc dawn]

Maybe I try

Theb20231129 is on here, isn't it

[silent marten]

Try it Toby and let us know if it works and maybe I will patch my rom too

[zinc dawn]

Cool BRB 🙂

[silent marten]

Awesome thank you 🙂

[hollow rune]

Love having people out at the stream. Thank you all so much. Fun to celebrate the MiSTer with others.

[silent marten]

I was happy to catch you live Panda even if it was only for 5 mins at the end

I did drop you a follow btw 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

I just dropped in to say crazy stuff

[quasi storm]

It must be a good streaming day! I'll be up and running at 5:00 US central! See y'all there!

[zinc dawn]

OK so Goldeneye crashed before I could even play the level (Dam) I then disabled all controllers apart from P1 and I finished the level. This is most likely a fluke.

This is using 8mb patch by zointiky (USA)

Crashed so far near the end of Dam and 1 during cutscene.

Doing another playthroigh. On pause menu now

[silent marten]

interesting

[quasi storm]

ALright everyone. I ran into a slight snag, but I think its all good. Streaming TLB games tonight!

Feel free to drop in

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/806940362899456031

[chilly ember]

I got a crash on train in when i shot Natalya by accident lol

[vapid hawk]

serves you right

[chilly ember]

😅

[solemn marlin]

It consistently freezes when I finish a level, ending cut scene, black screen

But it saves it as a finished level after restarting, allowing me to play the next one

[zinc dawn]

Guys I have no sound on my MiSter

[chilly ember]

On everything?

[zinc dawn]

It's OK I think when my 1 Yr old was going nuts on the keyboard, she muted it!!!

😆global.mute
.I was panicking

E0000040 at the end of facility. Will Reload

After a crash, If you reload the game many times it will crash on boot so I load up golden nugget then goldeneye 64

.

.

[chilly ember]

I haven't tried that one yet

[zinc dawn]

If its going to crash it normally does at the end of the level

Scrap that, it crashed 1 minute in to surface

[chilly ember]

I got through runway first try

I've been just playing every level on agent so super quick haha

[zinc dawn]

Getting more crashes on surface then anything else so far. Gonna see if I can finish it

Same. Agent all teh way

[chilly ember]

So random with crashes

Got to the end of Surface first try

I tried off everything in the video options but texture filtering, I can't see that helping but only thing different. Just testing levels to see if it still crashes randomly

[zinc dawn]

Yay! I got through surface

Mine kept crashing at the start and then at the end when you try and shoot the vents..coffee time.

Let's complete 007 on tlb agent

[chilly ember]

I got a crash on bunker so I can turn all the video effect stuff back on now lol

[zinc dawn]

Video effects have no effect lol

Silo crashed for me on boot

[prisma ivy]

Crawls out from under rock
Is.... is it complete now?

[chilly ember]

Still a little work left lol but it's close

[zinc dawn]

Silo done now

[chilly ember]

You're quick lol

[wraith estuary]

3 FPS, baby!

[rich warren]

but look at that fire graphics!!!

[solemn marlin]

Don't be greedy, miyamoto hand-made those frames for you

[zinc dawn]

Bugger crashed on Surface 2

I find if you load up another n64 game after finishing a GE level then reload goldeneye it's less likely to crash on your next level. You have to do this every level.

Most of the time

If levels crash its either right at the start or near the end (again most of the time) trying to finish Bunker 2

Rights that's how far a I got this eve. Going sleep now. If anyone wants to try this use the 8mb patch from zointiky (n64vault) on the GE USA. see how far you get! 🙂

Tested on the 29/11 core

It never crashed for me in any menus. I nearly completed bunker 2 but Natalya died ughhh. Now it keeps crashing!!😢😢 It has to be something to do with TLB. I don't think it could be anything else. Loading unpatched GE, Dam just crashes for me constantly and i cant even play it but with the 8mb patch Goldeneye is certainly playable, until I got to bunker!!!!

'It also provides a different TLB manager that is significantly more efficient than the original' says Zoinkity who made the 8mb patch. This is most probably why the patch makes the game more playable. @wanton sun not sure if you may have known this already but maybe useful.

[chilly ember]

It's probably helping in some way

[zinc dawn]

.

[chilly ember]

I kept getting crashes in first bunker level when going into the watch so I took a break :p

[zinc dawn]

Interesting I didn't get crashes in my watch. Just doing an Sd ram test know my MiSter.

[languid dune]

"accident"

[wraith estuary]

I am not good with these controls

[languid dune]

Try the Solitaire control option! Then shift your grip on the controller over to the left and middle handles. Boom. Modern FPS controls.

[wraith estuary]

Will do! Thanks

[weary palm]

Why do we insist on playing the most broken games?

[fair stump]

It is a reflection of our own broken selves

[wraith estuary]

that's deep, man.

[vast delta]

29/11 core? Isn't 26/11 the latest?

Nvm, found it. It's just not in #test-builds

[wanton sun]

it would help if the patch would make it more likely to crash 🙂

[vapid hawk]

has anyone tried the 480i patch that exists

that requires the expansion pak, maybe it crashes more

[chilly ember]

I didn't know it existed

[vapid hawk]

think its in htgdb

http://n64vault.com/ge-misc:goldeneye-hi-res

[solid crest]

I noticed when I start the first level of GE sometimes the camera is in the wrong spot in the cutscene. Like the wrong side of the dam. Does that mean the problem is happening before the level starts? @wanton sun

[chilly ember]

480i patch is working but it's not crashing any faster. Got to end of dam when it crashed on cutscene

[vapid hawk]

i think thats the same error code as the semi-random RE2 crashes

#1096015979055697940 message

[orchid nimbus]

261 games to play and ya'll pick the one that crashes

once that works people will forget about it and play either Goemon game

[chilly ember]

I'll be still playing Goldeneye and conker :p

Prepared to play through conker when it isn't crashing

[zinc dawn]

All of my crashes where 0000040s

There's also a 7mb patch available (in same download) it seems to crash more than the 8gb one.

I wonder if a 16mb patch would help, with n64 being assigned 16mb of ram.

What is the 0000040 error code mean?

Has anyone completed Bunker 2 yet? Mines just crashed crashy

[chilly ember]

I haven't tried it yet

[wanton sun]

40 is CPU exception, so something has happened that should not, e.g. doing a 4 byte read not on a 4 byte boundary. It's typically not triggering at the point where something went wrong, but somewhere later, easily some 100k instructions between

[hasty musk]

@wanton sun

maybe the ultra64 fpga developer has a hint for these problems

[wanton sun]

we talked about things in the past, but this is way to implementation specific

i mean, it's not like i have no ideas anymore, it just takes longer than expected

[hasty musk]

@wanton sun

can there be no option to log the gameplay in txt file or at what adress it crashes.

like a log console

[hasty musk]

i know you have the key.

[wanton sun]

sure, in my emulator i can do that. It makes it slow, but works

on the core it's impossible. the amount of data to capture would be insane

e.g. when i capture 1 million cpu instruction with their opcodes and register results in my emulator it costs 50mbyte. Per second you get roughly 50 million 😉

[hasty musk]

might sound stupid but cant the mister somehow be conncted to a pc and the pc logs it.

[wanton sun]

there is not even a way to get that amount of data out of the mister. It's easily in the gbytes per second

[hasty musk]

wow

[wanton sun]

best that is possible would be to capture the last 10k-100k or so before a crash

so currently i always try to get a savestate that crashes in the next 1-3 frames. that i can simulate and see the all signals and can debug it "easily"

with a reproducible crash this very easy to create: run the emulator near the crash, create a savestate -> test if it crash on hardware and how long it takes. Then create a new savestate that is closer to the crash point so i can simulate it

[hasty musk]

amazing

[wanton sun]

on other cores i could create the savestate with the core itself, which was convenient, but being able to load it is typically enough

[hasty musk]

savestate loading was implementet? in core

[zinc dawn]

Bunker crashed for me so many tuned

Times.

[hasty musk]

but savestate save is to much

loguc

logic

[zinc dawn]

It would crash within the first 30 seconds.

After about 20 tries I've managed to complete it

[wanton sun]

yes, loading is much easier than saving, as i can reset every internal state and only have to overwrite parts. Saving is much more difficult because every component must pause and later continue at the same state

[zinc dawn]

You could Bunker @wanton sun and see If you get more crashes.

*could

I have my save file if you need it

[wanton sun]

i still have situations that are faster than 30 seconds 🙂

[zinc dawn]

OK, cool ie?

Like when you load dam without the patch?

[wanton sun]

especially SW naboo has 100% reproducible situation that are frame-perfect crashes

[zinc dawn]

Ahh that's good

So when that's fixed GE may be also fixed

The thing with GE is its random there's no pin point frame

[wanton sun]

i hope it's related, but you cannot know before it's fixed

[zinc dawn]

First 10 seconds doesn't really help much I take it 😆

[wanton sun]

in worst case only SW naboo works, which i can live with 🙂

[zinc dawn]

That's one ticked off the list