Nintendo 64

[mild ether]

I got some of theirs too sometimes but the lingonberry flavor grew on me.

[cerulean elk]

Never tried that one. I enjoy the General bergamot flavor the original white has going on. But I love anything bergamot

[velvet nexus]

I can't think of anyone outside of this niche circle that would laugh out loud to that statement

[vapid hawk]

yeah i know my audience 😄

[mild ether]

Yep, super cool all these old chips are getting immortalized in FPGA.

[velvet nexus]

No joke

[weary palm]

You guys don't have a proper MT-32??

[velvet nexus]

Heard the music in my head, even

[chilly ember]

All I got is old soundblaster isa cards

[velvet nexus]

Shush up yxkalle

[weary palm]

shushing

[velvet nexus]

Never had one.

Soundblaster 16

[weary palm]

Warcraft II: Your soundcard works perfectly!

[velvet nexus]

Did the fm and digital

[mild ether]

Still haven't made the leap to mt-32 but it's on my list. PC speaker is my nostalgia for early PC games.

[velvet nexus]

Tie fighter tested stereo

[weary palm]

Are they very expensive now?

[velvet nexus]

An mt32?

[weary palm]

ye

[vapid hawk]

you can use mt32pi on a real pc

[velvet nexus]

Well, yeah

I thought he was asking about cost of original hardware

[weary palm]

Oy. They're like double of what I paid for mine. 🙂

why is retro so expensive

[velvet nexus]

Because they don't make it anymore

[mild ether]

Wow, the original mt 32 is actually cheaper than I expected.

[vapid hawk]

on the scale of like, midlife crisis hobbies, retrogaming isn't even top10 most expensive its fine

[velvet nexus]

Original hardware is unique

[vapid hawk]

get into vintage cars if you want to burn some serious cash

[solemn marlin]

Arcade stuff is a bit further up but still not top10

[weary palm]

I don't even have a license.

[vapid hawk]

or learn to ski

[velvet nexus]

The cool thing in this hobby, we can truly preserve our culture...

[little socket]

no one demands you to drive the cars...

[mild ether]

Arcade is not cheap, not cars expensive but certainly not cheap.

[weary palm]

Meh. What can we truly preserve with the heat death and everything? j/k. love this hobby.

[velvet nexus]

You can't adapt car engines in the same way we adapt computer systems

[knotty zealot]

is SNUS nintendo 65 related? i tell you what

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-hitting-someone-sword-13world-reaction-gif-23469319

[weary palm]

bad monkey

the left one

[velvet nexus]

Got off topic

[solemn marlin]

I always snus when retrogaming

They're brain chemically linked so therefore relevant

[mild ether]

Especially when playing n64 core I bet.

[knotty zealot]

it's the stay-on-topic-monkey

policing every channel

[velvet nexus]

Only nintendo 65.

[mild ether]

Fresh can of snus and a new n64 core to test

[solemn marlin]

Absolutely, I did 20 golden cards in bomberman completely snusd away

Snused off

[velvet nexus]

Snusing out.

[knotty zealot]

do you use the stuff that has glass shards in them

to CUT your mouth up

[solemn marlin]

That's only artie lange

[velvet nexus]

what?

[knotty zealot]

i googled it. apparently it's only a myth.

[eternal ravine]

Sailboats

[vapid hawk]

yeah or learn to fly a light aircraft

[solemn marlin]

No artie did snort glass, his nose deflated like a balloon

[vapid hawk]

anyway yeah i refuse to feel even a little bit bad about how much i've spent on old games that make me happy 😄

[velvet nexus]

hell yeah

hate that I got so into pinball

[solemn marlin]

Now that's a step up the ladder imo, those are costly

[velvet nexus]

no joke 😦

[undone oak]

does the n64 core work line-doubled to 480p through vga?

[weary palm]

I've added it

[daring meteor]

Thank you

By the way, is it just me or I can't build the core anymore?

Final fitting attempt was unsuccessful?

[weary palm]

I havent done that in a while

[chilly ember]

I haven't built since before Robert started releasing built cores

[cerulean elk]

(Don’t become me)

[solemn marlin]

Mr esoterica is buying them fancy fancy arcade boards tho

[weary palm]

I'm buying baby clothes and diapers

[cerulean elk]

Couple two tree

[solemn marlin]

Not n64 related, buy a pinball machine or ban

[weary palm]

OK

[weary palm]

perhaps i can train him to do n64 stuff

[chilly ember]

Teach them how to backwards long jump in super mario 64

[weary palm]

Yahoo! Yahoo! Yahoo! Yaho.yaho.yah.yah.ya.yayayayayayayayayayayaya

[solemn marlin]

Ask him to do that TLB stuff

[weary palm]

at eight months he should have those skillsets

[worn delta]

Been a lot of non N64 chat here, if we can please keep chat on topic

[cunning mantle]

Don't know if it was already mentioned. But the Ridger Racer 64 tail light graphics are fixed now.

[weary palm]

awesome

[jolly canyon]

hello all 👋

so my two most anticipated titles for N64 are mario tennis and paper mario.

with the new version of the core, are these good enough to play or do they crash/have bugs still?

[trim seal]

Latest core was specifically for ironing out Paper Mario bugs, people are playing through it but the known crashes appear to have been fixed, thus far.

[chilly ember]

I have faith paper mario is probably completable at this point

[trim seal]

Well Goldeneye and Conkers don't quite go in game at the moment but those openings and splash screens are smooth as silk and proper speed now at least. I almost got in game with Pal Conkers, Goldeneye crashed when I tried to go in game but still, enjoying the small bits of progress.

[silent marten]

I played paper mario for over an hour earlier and no crashes or slowdowns

[chrome quest]

Any tricks to PAL Conkers? I was recording the E10 error for the spreadsheet, often variable points of crash, but always as the N64 logo fades out with the chainsaw sound. Never past that bit

[zinc dawn]

As much as it pains me I still think we got to wait a bit for Conkers and GE

[trim seal]

I hit reset a few times, maybe I just got lucky to make it to the menu. Spamming the heck out of the buttons worked at least once to skip the intro.

[trim seal]

Oh, we know. I still like that the GE logo and intro is running full speed now.

[zinc dawn]

Probably Goldeneye will be available when TLB is finished. I watched the doc the other night and they said GE was pretty much built on TLB

Yeah that into is epic

I never get tired of it

[languid dune]

Not surprising that Goldeneye was built with Tender Loving Bits. Rare put their hearts into that game!

[zinc dawn]

N64 was very memory limited so devs had to come up.with all sorts of craziness. I bet they never realised that it would be immortalised on an FPGA

I miss Rare games

I think the N64/PS1 days were the very best

[languid dune]

It's still wild to me that the N64 core is even happening. At this time last year it was still widely thought of as the impossible core!

[zinc dawn]

I always thought it was possible just didn't realise how soon

[languid dune]

And yet here we are with the hope of one game by Christmas! 😏

[zinc dawn]

The one that surprised me was PSX

Originally I bought the DE10 to play NeoGeo and Genesis stuff

[languid dune]

Saturn is still the big one for me. Can't believe that mess of hardware is happening on MiSTer. And I couldn't be happier!

[zinc dawn]

Sorry Nintendont. I only like 64 for 2 games haha. Ja I like Saturn's odd pixels

Surprised that one hasn't been finished yet.

I had all these OG consoles
Sold them all. Now I just have my PS2 and DC left.

[languid dune]

Well srg320's situation is undoubtably affecting the speed of that core's development.

That, and the Saturn hardware being a frankenstein of a machine.

[zinc dawn]

Situation?

[chilly ember]

Ukraine

[zinc dawn]

Oh I see. That makes sense. Like Krikkz still shipping Everdrives from there

[chilly ember]

I'm excited for the saturn core because I never had a saturn but I don't know anything much about it so I test the N64 stuff I played a million times

[zinc dawn]

Saturn's fun

The Tomb Raider and Resident Evil ports are interesting

Die Hard Arcade is grand

It's odd N64 never got a Tomb Raider

I don't think a Tomb Raider has ever been on a Nintendo Console? Maybe gameboy

[chilly ember]

Tomb raider legend was on Gamecube

[zinc dawn]

I think that's the only one on a console

Weird.

I'd like to see Lara on N64

[elfin relic]

paper mario no crashy anymore (probably)

[zinc dawn]

AI?

[undone oak]

@zinc dawn I believe Sony made a console exclusive deal for a few years for Tomb Raider

[zinc dawn]

That makes sense

[undone oak]

shame as it would be cool to see it on n64

[zinc dawn]

Indeed. Silly exclusivity deals

[weary palm]

Nooo, it's a real duck. Promise.

[zinc dawn]

That N64 is effed up

Duck is good tho

Looks legit

[restive cove]

tried todays core for n64. Two Major Bugs were Fixed for Paper Mario 64 the bird who tries to identify you at the desert where he throws feathers at you and the squid in the sewers who uses an ability to make itself electric to the touch. the only the glitch I havent tried out is the electric yellow mushroom that you use on your characters.

[jade bay]

Frame drops kind of make double unplayable for Mario tennis

But the demo works fine

It's kind of mysterious

[restive cove]

mario tennis i'll try it

[jade bay]

What's the keyboard shortcut to take screenshots?

[restive cove]

brb

[chilly ember]

Window key + print screen

I think

[elfin relic]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/hotkey/

yeah it's win+prntscr

[cerulean elk]

I’d play that

[chilly ember]

Same 😅

[trim seal]

Pretty sure I have a quacked version of that.

......I'll see myself out.

[chilly ember]

The sequel is even better Quack 2, it's different from the pc version

[native mesa]

Titled Duck Game 64

[cerulean elk]

That’s a very…fowl joke

[trim seal]

Yeah sorry, it wasn't exactly fully fledged.

[plucky oak]

I have fond memories of playing Gauntlet Legends with friends. Can't wait for that one to be playable.

[drowsy lantern]

T.T. unlocked! ⏰

[chilly ember]

Did you duck out or what?

[mossy needle]

@drowsy lantern Nooooiiice! That's a time sink for sure

[drowsy lantern]

Eh, wasn’t that long!

[storm parrot]

[trim seal]

I may have been looking for a quick eggsit, yes.

[jade bay]

tried to show the frame drops happening

but for some reason it runs fine after the first match

there might be more areas of random frame drops that are recreatable

also frame drops in level 4 happen kind of randomly for ucchan nanchan. for some reason its the only level that has the issue but with each iteration, it seems like the performance kind of improves?

[chilly ember]

Im having a hard time seeing frame drops in the pictures, not gonna lie

[jade bay]

can only show the fps count

unfortunately

[chilly ember]

Tlb isn't finished so it's gonna happen. Tlb doesn't have access to data cache or something so it's just gonna be that way

[jade bay]

its kind of weird like the game will run at almost half speed for 1 match and then run at full speed for the next match for double

i dont get it but yea

[main lintel]

somewhat unrelated question - if I wanted to buy an actual n64 that I would mod with an HDMI mod, should I just buy whatever on ebay? or are there particular things I should look for

[chilly ember]

Earlier models? I know those funtastic models are not good for Hdmi mods

Why you need a hdmi n64? The core is so close to the finish line

[main lintel]

It's for another location and I don't want to buy another mister

and i think it'd be fun to break out my old EE kit and mod an n64 🤷

[chilly ember]

As far as i know, there's n64 models that don't even support s video but that might be a pal thing

[main lintel]

yeah i think the ntsc ones are all fine except maybe the pikachu one?

[chilly ember]

Go for the earliest model you can find, earliest models can do stop and swap

[main lintel]

I'm not familiar

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/sHQbswTkEjQ?si=WhjaHdW2Bj7WhZd1

Banjo kazooie had a feature that involved powering off and inserting another cartridge for stop n swap. It was a feature that was dropped because the timing was too fast on newer models. Hackers have made it possible with an old console

So just find the oldest model you can find and you should be fine basically

[main lintel]

that's pretty cool. I appreciate that dedication to an easter egg

[marble cargo]

Been playing Paper Mario. I did notice that the stars when you gets your fortune from Merlin are glitched, but otherwise the latest build is smooth sailing.

[fair stump]

Name an n64 game better than war gods

[fierce girder]

The one with Brian.

Sounds like an episode of Friends lol

[fair stump]

Yeah, I agree 👍

[chilly ember]

Superman 64

[brisk edge]

Aidyn Chronicles

[fair stump]

You're right 👍

[fair stump]

Yeah definitely 👍

[quasi storm]

Hey all! I'll be streaming some TLB games tonight. If anyone wants to see some Turok 2 gameplay, head on over!

[chilly ember]

Where the link?

[quasi storm]

oh....uh

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/806940362899456031

[orchid nimbus]

@pale granite come back 😄

[pale granite]

lol I accidentally joined

[orchid nimbus]

ouch

[pale granite]

guess I can take a break from work

[orchid nimbus]

ow 😄

[random portal]

Y/C daddy

[mossy vector]

I can confirm. Cold boot of N64 core. Load DK64 (USA). Start a new game from empty file. Tedious opening cutscene starts. Wait over 2 minutes to where the ship loses control and the scene rotates like attached. Instead of outside view of ship, a black screen. Music keeps playing. No error code.

[compact lark]

YES! This!
This is the freeze I got, at this point. Same as you, black screen with music still playing.

On all the times I've played, 2 times I got this freeze (from yesterday's build and a build 2 weeks ago) and once I got past this, also from yesterday's build

But the freeze happened when I attempted Donkey Kong 64 after already playing a bunch of other N64 games.

I got past this freeze from a fresh boot of my mister, or when playing DK64 after only playing a few minutes of another N64 game.

[stiff condor]

I accidentally just deleted my Super Mario 64 save on my MiSTer on accident messing with NFC. Oops!

[random portal]

wait...on your real cart?

[mossy vector]

Okay shows DK64 FPU internal exception if I enable Fixed Video Blanks.

[wanton sun]

well, it works for others (including me), So maybe check if your settings are on default. The scene runs longer than it should, but comes back to normal when the ship crashes

[compact lark]

I'm on default settings for all the times I ran DK 64.
Two times, it became a black screen in the spot @mossy vector mentioned. Two other times, it ran fine.

[wanton sun]

i can't say what this is, for me it always works on a fresh boot

[mossy vector]

Honestly I got it to fail 3 times. Basically at 2:30 in the video where the scene sits with them flailing limbs. Gosh I dunno, it could be a divide by zero or that dreaded subnormal floating point exception.

[orchid nimbus]

I don't know what game that is 😄

oh it's donkey kong

[brisk edge]

is everyone using the same rom? us or pal?

[mossy vector]

USA

[wanton sun]

sha1: CF806FF2603640A748FCA5026DED28802F1F4A50

i assume some minor difference is already enough. Maybe less or more pads active

this is my test setup

[mossy vector]

Pad 1 is same. I also have pad 2 on, no accessory. Both are USB 8bitdo.

First core boot also can have randomly colored trash lines as I think it's executing random code until I pick a game.

SHA-1: cf806ff2603640a748fca5026ded28802f1f4a50

[trim seal]

So I ran paper mario in the background for a few hours, then I put on DK64, and at that exact spot listed, it goes to black screen with E000010 and the music still going as if the cutscene was continuing. Just did a core reset, gonna see what happens this time.

Exactly the same.

That's twice in a row. Now I'll try a full mister reboot and make it the first game I load.

Even a clean reboot, first game loaded, starting a new game, it's stopped at that exact spot again. I'll do a fresh start again, this time only have one pad configured in pad types.

This time it worked!

SHA-1 CF806FF2603640A748FCA5026DED28802F1F4A50

I added a Pad 4 as N64pad (so pad 1 rumble, pad 4 n64pad) and there was no issue. I'll try other configurations and try to get it to fail again.

[wanton sun]

the question is if it's random ddr3 ram timing or really the pad

[trim seal]

I'm testing different combos, then I'll reset and test the same combos and see if it's consistent.

[trim seal]

Ok, excuse the info dump for a moment:

Pad 1 rumble only - works
Pad 1 rumble and pad 4 N64pad - works
Pad 1 rumble, 3 N64pad and 4 N64pad - hangs
Pad 1 rumble, 2 N64pad and 4 N64pad - works
Pad 1 rumble, 2 N64pad and 3 N64pad- works
Pad 1 rumble and 2 N64pad - works
Pad 1 rumble and 3 n64pad - works
Pad 1 rumble - 2, 3, 4 n64pad - works
Cold reboot
Pad 1 rumble - 2, 3, 4 n64pad - works
Reset
Different save file - works
Trying 1/3/4 - Hangs.
Reset with config saved as 1/2/4 - works
Reset with config saved as 1/3/4 - works
Cold reboot with 1/3/4 - works.

Conclusion - while I seem to get more occasional hangs in that spot with controller 1 / 3 and 4 enabled, it's not consistent enough to say that it's related, and cold reboot vs reset seems to yield no pattern either. Ah well.

Unrelated note: Getting a bit sick of that intro cutscene :p

[wanton sun]

thanks for testing. So it's very random overall, not great for debugging it in any way. Not to mention how long it takes to get there 😅

[trim seal]

You can say that again. But don't, I've had enough repetition for the moment :p

[versed cairn]

I just redid the cutscene 8 times with no crash. tried some different controller configs but it didn't change anything

[chrome quest]

Out of curiosity, can you run Animal Forest?
Only that I had an odd failing game others didn't, and resolved by running update_all, as I'd not done that in a few weeks as I manually transfer the core over.
Perhaps entirely unrelated, never did understand what that fixed on my end

[trim seal]

Dōbutsu no Mori seems to run fine,

[chrome quest]

Have you update MiSTer generally recently?

Probably most people use the downloader addition to grab the core I guess. Just thinking what might be different between those with/without the crashes

[trim seal]

I usually update_all every time there's a new build, plus I use the deprecated n64 update script purely to install the latest unstable main. So, yes. Updated this morning.

[chrome quest]

TY. Not the same as my issue then.

[trim seal]

Fairy Muff

[compact lark]

For what it's worth, I have 2 controllers plugged in at all times i tried, but only controller 1 (a usb n64 controller) had a set up pad type (my second controller, a ps4 controller is for menu navigation)

[hollow rune]

What's the word on RTC support for games like Animal Forest?

[modest helm]

Hey just wanted to report that I completed both campaigns on Castlevania 64 (Reinhardt and Carrie) with 1 minor graphical issue. Should they be marked completable? The only issue I've run into is that during the intro cutscene on stage 3, the statues glitch in and out of existence for a brief moment. No other issues besides that afaik

[fierce girder]

Isn’t it just game? I’m pretty sure Animal Crossing is the only one with an RTC.

[weary palm]

Can someone please port the naughtier Conker from BFD with all the swearing to this game? Thanks.

[daring meteor]

Yes

[modest helm]

Nice. Changed to completable in the spreadsheet and noted the graphical glitch

[chrome quest]

And Pokémon gen 2 games via Transfer Pak.
Maybe a DD related one (if used and supported)?

[iron marten]

These lines happen on every N64 core boot for me now. Analog output fails to display the OSD until a ROM is loaded. OSD is displayed on digital out. Once a ROM is loaded, this behavior goes away until a hard core reboot.

[weary palm]

There's a "fix" for that. Under "Video & Audio", enable "Fixed Video Blanks"

[hollow rune]

Does the core deliver the time to AC right now on start?

[worn delta]

No, RTC hasn't been implemented so you need to set it

[cerulean elk]

I think you still need to manually set it. Last I looked at least

[bitter copper]

Someone that tried the mayflash n64 adapter? (On mister)

[woeful beacon]

@daring meteor did I miss a ping?

[daring meteor]

The core itself didn't assemble for me for some reason

[orchid nimbus]

yes

[woeful beacon]

Avengers disassemble

All good!

[drowsy lantern]

Even Windows today be like: You should spend some time and treat yourself to the magical gift of a T.T. Unlock in Diddy Kong Racing:

[orchid nimbus]

and that's why I use Debian

[daring meteor]

I figured it out

n64.sdc capitalization is wrong

I don't know why before it seemed to work fine

[oblique remnant]

nice how long did it take for one campaign ? I guess not the first time then?

[daring meteor]

@wanton sun If you mind changing that - I have no clue what broke it for me
(As in, set_global_assignment -name SDC_FILE N64.sdc

[modest helm]

Nope. My first time beating the game. Did it over Thanksgiving weekend. The game is extremely underrated. One of the most overhated games of all time. Pretty fun when you get used to the mechanics. Took me 2-3 days to beat with Reinhardt (he's basically hard mode). I beat it with Carrie on Sunday (she's easy mode). Once you learn the game's mechanics and beat it once, you can run through the game in 4-5 hours

[oblique remnant]

If I start I do that one first not directly to the legacy of darkness. I have some nostalgia for it aswell only played it half an hour back then

[modest helm]

The game is definitely rushed and unpolished. Still the engine is pretty solid and fun. Lots of exploring and the platforming is very challenging but fair once you get used to the controls. The key is to carefully plan out your jumps

Going to play through Legacy of Darkness in the next week or two. Had a blast with Castlevania 64

[daring meteor]

@woeful beacon If you're still up for it lol

And if someone else wonders, I got an 84% logic utilization, 2ns slack

(For anyone else, this is just a build where the DPAD swap setting only applies to P1)

[modern sleet]

Reset you settings for that core

[woeful beacon]

im always up to podrace baby

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-shit-post-shitposting-gif-22863742

[mossy vector]

Explain.

[steady basalt]

Load the core, open the menu, go right and find the "reset settings" entry.

[mossy vector]

I mean the other way. Why am I being ordered to reset my controller mapping and redo everything. What is the theory behind what this is supposed to solve?

[modern sleet]

That screen you're getting was caused by corrupt settings for me before

[steady basalt]

Ah, my bad. If you have anything set by older versions of the core, reset it may help getting it sane again.

[modern sleet]

Doesn't hurt to retry

[raw oriole]

The 'reset settings' is there because it's sometimes needed. Core-in-progress isn't it.

[wanton sun]

you build on linux?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[wanton sun]

sometimes it is picky...just this line you posted?

[daring meteor]

Yes

In files.qip

Changing it fixed building for me

[wanton sun]

wonderful, it's no change for git 🙈

i also changed the order so git is happy...will commit it together with the next changes

[daring meteor]

Thank you git, lmao

And thank you Robert

[odd vector]

Tlb with datacache inc today build

[wanton sun]

in case anyone wants to try the latest changes...fixed 4 different bugs related to instruction TLB but still no game is really 100% fixed. Goldeneye first level is sometimes playable if you mash the buttons until ingame

Conker i got to play one time until the lion gets the milk, but it could be luck

overall, i still need to investigate more

[wind helm]

Wow this is beautiful the latest test built is the first version that plays the 2D Japan exclusive Bomberman 64 Arcade Edition game Thank you Robert!

I just tested it

[wanton sun]

quick access to first level

[daring meteor]

Weird, that one was marked completable for a long while

[viscid chasm]

Door disappears in super Mario 64 PAL. Does this happen on original hardware?

[zealous hull]

Thanks for all of your hard work Robert. I know you're not really in love with any TLB game, but a lot of us here are, and we appreciate these updates!

[weary perch]

yes

[wind helm]

Really? Wasn’t it TLB?

[viscid chasm]

ta. i've packed up my original N64 now

[daring meteor]

It was the only one that wasn't TLB

[rich warren]

boots up goldeneye:

https://tenor.com/view/pressing-press-button-takahashi-meijin-gamer-speed-gif-16313263

[wind helm]

Weird I tried it a couple of times Sorry

[daring meteor]

Strange

Maybe some TLB version broke it and now its back again

[orchid nimbus]

testing the non boots

[wanton sun]

don't expect anything, i tried them

in fact, i'm slowly running out of tlb games with reproducible crashes that don't crash on my emulator. Star wars naboo is the last one left

[daring meteor]

Indiana Jones crashes the emulator?

And the Battletanx games?

[wanton sun]

yes

[orchid nimbus]

no changes - but I don't care about any of these games... and Tooie is playable with a patch

[wanton sun]

i can get goldeneye to crash more frequent if i reduce the tlb table size to 4. The game should be stable with 4 entries (emulator shows it is) but the core crashes more often, hinting that the tlb miss is likely not fully correct

[toxic pumice]

I'm guessing this won't fix things like gauntlet legends performance just yet?

Just for TLB crashes and things right

[wanton sun]

no, tlb still cannot use data cache

[toxic pumice]

Gotcha.

[daring meteor]

Good pointer at least

[wanton sun]

i really want to fix the random bugs before, debugging with datacache is horrible, because you have a copy of every data and can never be sure which is correct

well, maybe i implement it anyway, it can still be turned off

[toxic pumice]

Yup makes perfect sense! I'm just excited it all. 🙂

Is*

As it stands, Turok Rage Wars being in a playable state is a godsend so thank you.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I showed that in a vid awhile ago I think

[quick arch]

The TBL games issues could be not link to TLB but RSP ?

[native mesa]

https://youtu.be/42t8PI634TY?si=Ma-0bryUu4HX7b7S

[daring meteor]

Oh that's werd

I tried some Battletanx trainer and E got Bit 2

[wanton sun]

Indiana Jones and Battletanx checks for instruction timing and hang up if it's not 100% exact

as our ddr3 is never 100% reliable we can either have a hack for them or not run them

[mossy vector]

Wow, a self destruct mechanism. I wonder what they were thinking that they could be so brave to assume no further hardware revisions.

[magic girder]

Defensive programming?

[native mesa]

Yeah sounds like an anti-piracy measure

[mossy vector]

But pirated or clone hardware? Or perhaps they were envisioning emulators

[magic girder]

Feels to me a bit like a “guard clause”. This is what I expect, so I’ll test for it, and then I know I can rely on it throughout the rest of my code

Maybe they were really pushing the hardware at some point

[solid crest]

The game seems to be unstable on real hardware. When Thabeast played Indiana Jones, it crashed several times. He thought it was because of his flash cart but after hearing this I am thinking it is just how the game is. https://youtu.be/MO_LwhbauHM

[dusty tusk]

Looks like they just deload whatever would normally be in the over scan. Look how close lakitu is to the edge of the screen in this picture. That's about the distance that the door deloads.

[native mesa]

PAL gon PAL

[manic basin]

I'm probably just blind (and I've been off of Discord for a while because I've been super busy) - did load savestate get moved? I can't find it in the latest core. Or does it specifically require the 1127 core you posted?

[magic girder]

#1096015979055697940 message

[manic basin]

Thx!

@zinc dew can you pin that?

[orchid nimbus]

Robby is gone from discord

[wraith estuary]

I haven't seen that dude in forever. He finally cracked.

[tulip coral]

The gifs broke his spirit

[woeful beacon]

It's all my fault

[plush summit]

What the hell @zinc dew I beat Majora's Mask and you're ducking me

[cerulean elk]

I’m sure someone can hack them so 100% are playable. Someone will have the will

[wanton sun]

it's hacked 😅

[stone pilot]

I knew you'd get a 3DO core going eventually

[manic basin]

Damn. I haven't been on in a while .... so this is all new to me.

[cerulean elk]

Lol well then I guess you answered your own question

[wanton sun]

it's a special build however

this build cannot run some other games, e.g. perfect dark due to the method

(it simulates that the reset button was pressed, which circumvents the games security...i know, stupid security)

[cerulean elk]

Fun for a temp solution. I’m sure someone could dig into the rom and patch it for the core

Then again if we lost one game I’d submit battletanx to be the one we lose!

[wanton sun]

i will make a better solution soon

indiana jones is trickier

the solution for battletanx should also fix waverace shindue, so i should do it

[mild ether]

How do you know this? Is there somewhere I can read about it?

[wanton sun]

emudev discord -> search for battletanx

or ares github

[mild ether]

Thank you. I will take a look at patching this.

[cerulean elk]

I’ll put a $10 beer bounty on it! Why not. Make it fun lol

[wanton sun]

indiana jones would be helpful. Battltanx is not that bad, it can live with the time passed after boot being huge enough, which is required for other games anyway

[cerulean elk]

I’ll put $10 on each 🙂

[mild ether]

Sweet deal. I can't do it right now cause I got to work tonight but I will look at what I can dig up when I can. I actually enjoy figuring out patches more than playing most games.

[wanton sun]

in case of a game that yells "3DO" at you when you start it, i can understand that 😛

[cerulean elk]

I’m good for the cash! lol

[mild ether]

Just most games I don't like playing so the game becomes figuring out how to cheat or make it do things it's not supposed to do.

[zealous hull]

I'm officially packing up my old childhood N64 and RetroTink today. It's been a good run. 🙂

[tropic cove]

With the advances that the core has, I think I will also save the n64 that I have, it was difficult for me to get a CPU-4 for the RGB mod and use it in a pvm that I have, but with this it is no longer necessary haha

[daring meteor]

Could make it a system setting

Than add it to the N64 database

[chrome quest]

I don't know if this is related, but if core reset becomes a "true" reset like the console button, apparently one game needs it.
Tetrisphere
A bit like that Megadrive X-men game I guess.

I'm not so familiar with that game, maybe it even needs the reset button held down.....

[oblique remnant]

Vortex 🙂

[languid dune]

That game has been playable for months. Tested it myself!

[oblique remnant]

I completed Bomberman 64 Arcade Edition a while ago

[drowsy lantern]

It doesn't "need" it. All it does is trigger some visual easter egg after you input a specific cheat. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4jPG7q0g68)

[zenith orchid]

It's been almost a year since development on the Robert's N64 emulator started right?

It really is mindblowing, all the games we can play now, on the MiSTer.

And there are literally 10 games left that are not playable, in the US library. It's insane.

[daring meteor]

And 3 of those have options/ways to make them run

[zenith orchid]

Aside from Tooie, what else?

[daring meteor]

The two Battletanx games work with Robert's quick fix build from today, could wire it up to be a system option/"quirk"

FIFA has the cache settings it needs

Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine (USA).z64
Star Wars Episode I - Battle for Naboo (USA).z64
GoldenEye 007 (USA).z64
Conker's Bad Fur Day (USA).z64
Jet Force Gemini (USA).z64
Polaris SnoCross (USA).z64

This leaves these

Add in Gauntlet legends if you want

[zenith orchid]

007, conker, and JFG, are probably the only ones that people care about.

[daring meteor]

Some people care about the Factor 5 games

[zenith orchid]

or rather.. most people care about 😄

[gloomy cape]

Mario Golf (USA) is completable on todays build. Is there any way to transfer over characters from the GBC version? I can't get anything recognised by the transfer pak using the menu settings.

[oblique remnant]

Spoiler pic thanks 😀

[daring meteor]

Yes
Either save convertor, or use yxkalle's main

[gloomy cape]

Perfect cheers. Do GBC saves need to be .mpk?

[daring meteor]

Its tpk I think
(On yxkalle's main)

If you're swapping, do backup your saves

[chrome quest]

Yeah, .tpk. From my own testing, the save file size is different. If you boot N64 Mario Golf with TPAK enabled, ROM loaded, etc. It will generate a 32KB .tpk file. You could try renaming that to GBC save filename, transfer and rename between folders as needed.
What I did succesfully was take a 8KB GBC save and pad out with 00's to 32KB, so if you can do that it works.
The GB core didn't seem to mind the extra size going backwards and forwards subsequently with a 32KB Mario Golf GBC save

[daring meteor]

Would the N64 core not work without the padding?

[chrome quest]

Not sure, only tried the other way, larger than needed GBC save

[chrome quest]

Just tested. It did seem to work, so just grab the GBC save, rename, and good to go.
FYI, soon as N64 saves it ups the .tpk file size from 8KB to 32KB regardless. Food for thought for any potential GB core link down the line maybe

[daring meteor]

Yeah, what I expected

[gloomy cape]

Excellent, thank you. Was just a case of renaming existing GBC save to .tpk. Core defaults to rumble on new core. Just changed to transfer pak, reset and worked like a charm.

[lament escarp]

Did anybody complete paper mario yet?

[mossy needle]

I dont think so. I just beat the Fire Piranha Boss bit I think some people are a bit further

[woeful beacon]

@daring meteor

[daring meteor]

Very nice haha, glad to see it working

[woeful beacon]

this is VERY fun

so uh what do I do now lol

can we add it as an option or some shit

halp

that was my first play and im still getting used to it but its fuckin bloody good lol

cant believe I gotta put the code in every time lmao

[daring meteor]

I mean I can ask Robert but considering how specific it is I don't think this is getting in lol
Not that it really matters tbf cause the game runs perfect rn

[woeful beacon]

yeah I'm just gonna call this the N64 Kasher 11-27

and keep this core 🙂

thanks for the hanukkah present

doin reverse donuts in my pod

[daring meteor]

No problem haha, doing tiny changes to fix stuff is what I do

[hollow rune]

You all are amazing

[woeful beacon]

dis ^

[oblique crow]

This makes me

This makes me

[oblique crow]

This is one happy man.

[solemn marlin]

One stick forward and one all the way back for reallly sharp turns, gamer pro tip

If I remember correctly, the point is that there's a way to make sharper turns than even normal steering allows for, I think... 🤔

[orchid nimbus]

OMG!!! it works!!!

[solemn marlin]

Damn, almost looks gamecube

[orchid nimbus]

i wonder why 😄

I'm getting ready for the next core

[vapid hawk]

oh is that dino planet working?

[woeful beacon]

yes thats how we do

[woeful beacon]

that makes sense because the turn includes a brake

you're losing throttle so naturally the turn is sharper

in the normal controls I assume if you braked hard enough it could be close

[solemn marlin]

Hey I don't know every n64 title, pretty sure there'll never be a gc core

I thought gc emulation was pretty much perfect already

[vapid hawk]

you can be forgiven for not knowing that game since it never came out on n64 🙂

there's a leaked version around

on gamecube it's called starfox adventures: dinosaur planet

[woeful beacon]

https://youtu.be/YXmpTt8NmpY

[solemn marlin]

Wait, is that the leaked n64 version? I know of starfox adventures, I just assumed it was that

[vapid hawk]

i assume thats why he posted it in here

there's a team working on getting it polished up to fully working

[solemn marlin]

It looks too good, still think it could be gc

[vapid hawk]

yeah i'm not sure, its by far one of the best looking n64 games

maybe thats a loading screen or something though its too clean

[rich warren]

it's from Star Fox Assault on the GCN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6I0WBRLct4

[vapid hawk]

oh sorry

[native mesa]

Mfw test builds is lit up and it's for a different core

[orchid nimbus]

I will not do it again 😉 sorry for the confusion

[cerulean elk]

Wow have I been making vids for a year?? Lol

[zenith orchid]

Have you?? What was your first video?

[cerulean elk]

Let me see

Almost eight months ago and that was before we had anything booting

June 12 was the first real test of anything it seems

And that was the random hello world level stuff

7/11 was the vid on Namco museum

[solemn marlin]

I want black box mario kart mode

[coral timber]

The one you’re thinking of is simply called Dinosaur Planet. You can find community patches for the leaked rom update patches that’s been slowly restoring content on the Dinosaur Planet Community discord

And yes, it runs perfectly fine on MiSTer =)

[solemn marlin]

A mode for turning on the trippy yoshi's story trailing effect, it was neat

[junior yarrow]

I havent touched dinosaur planet since that initial rom leaked

I should see how those patches are

The game corrupted so easily lol

[vapid hawk]

they've done a shocking amount of work really fast, i'm not even sure how

[coral timber]

Yeah the leaked rom without the patches is essentially unplayable, crashes alot and many bugs

[vapid hawk]

maybe the engine is close enough to some other rare games that they were able to re-use tooling, or maybe just really dedicated

[solemn marlin]

That's cool, I assume it plays like a more primitive version of star fox adventures? I wasn't thinking of anything tbh, I just noted the pic looked too high fidelity for n64 and couldn't place it because I haven't played the gamecube star fox games

[manic basin]

Wizard!

[solemn marlin]

I do recognize the fox tho

[coral timber]

Yeah, a more primitive SFA is essentially it but there are whole areas and story segments totally different from SFA including cutscenes, VA and entire zones that was cut in the gamecube release

[quasi storm]

Hey all! There was a buzz during my stream that Robby left the server. So, it's true? 🥺

[coral timber]

I dounno if I can post it here but if anyone wants a discord link to the Dinosaur Planet community I can pass it along in a DM, all the patches are there

[solemn marlin]

Imagine miyamoto waltzing into your office and telling you to redo everything with nintendo characters.. yea I'd love a dm, is it a rom or a patch?

[coral timber]

Both

[vapid hawk]

also the main character is not starfox and by extension much more interesting

i mean i didn't actually find anything much out in the few minutes i played but i wanted to so thats something

the dino planet restoration is so industrious they have an auto updater lol

they have nightlies!

[solemn marlin]

Shots fired at McCloud. He had cyborg legs at one point, that was pretty cool

[coral timber]

Interestingly, there are some emulator-only speedrun glitches for Dinossaur Planet that crash on EverDrive and MiSTer crashes there just like real hardware does hehe - just like the OoT Community.

Also here's an old screen I have of an old core version running it

[vapid hawk]

i think i completed starfox adventures and i couldn't tell you one thing about starfox

[solemn marlin]

Lol I don't try to talk badly about games I don't care about but yea, large part of my dislike for starfox is probably setting and characters

He's lame

[vapid hawk]

its enough to hang a good shooter off but not a whole like, narrative driven adventure

at least his team-mates are slightly more interesting

[solemn marlin]

I tried googling cool custom n64 games and dinosaur planet didn't even show up, this search engine gives me nothing

[junior yarrow]

the rom initially at least only had like 2% of the game playable (under normal means) a lot of the maps and stuff were there, but natural progression pretty much ended after Krystal and Fox(Sabre) first gameplay sections

through some lua scripts, hacking, or just glitching your way into areas you arent supposed to go to (it is an n64 game after all) it was possible to see more of the game

but it also was pretty apparent that like, there was more to the game, but most of the stuff that ended up in Star Fox Adventures is what they actually had finished

[solemn marlin]

I assume nintendo wants none of it to get out

[junior yarrow]

Meh the leaked betas been floating around for a while now

[random portal]

it works now?

[coral timber]

It boots on MiSTer and runs like real hardware does, yeah. But if you want to actually play it I recommend doing so with the community patches.

[random portal]

I havbe both

so the community one is recommended?

[coral timber]

Definitely. Too much glitchness and unfixed bugs in the original leak otherwise.

[random portal]

previously, both would boot but the character would fall in an infinite void

[worldly quartz]

how playable is paper mario? Thinking of starting it after I finish mario rpg

[coral timber]

That's from an old save glitch from filename corruption back before there were as many bugfixes as there are now.

[random portal]

maybe my rom is bad

still wont load

[languid dune]

The memories! 🥹

[mossy needle]

So far very playable. Just finished the 5th chapter and it runs well

[worldly quartz]

ok makes me glad I didn't bother looking up making tlb free patches lol

[coral timber]

It’s only recently become this compatible too so you picked a good time to look into it haha

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-relief-happy-gif-4724104

[cerulean elk]

Wild it wasn’t even that long ago

[wraith estuary]

Nah, those were jokes. he's probably doing stuff for Thanksgiving

[quasi storm]

Okay... Maybe I'm inept, but how the frickafrack do you see the list of users on mobile?

[fair stump]

Swipe left

[stiff condor]

Hey guys, I fixed my RAM so I'm back to 128MB!

[orchid nimbus]

Glad it was fixed

[stiff condor]

1 of the pins was not fully soldered

[native mesa]

Dang don't they test them before shipping?

[stiff condor]

You'd think but things happen

Luckily I had the ability to fix it because sending it back would have cost me half the price of the RAM

It's also possible that it tested fine and the joint was weak enough that I broke it unknowingly

[stiff condor]

Anyone else tried to boot Xeno Crisis?

[stiff condor]

It looks like it doesn't boot. There are some Super Mario 64 ROM hacks that are booting but have corruption

[manic basin]

Use the Everdrive rom and force writeback.

That's worked for me, anyway

[zinc dawn]

I desperately need Goldeneye.

😢

[oblique remnant]

I wonder why Perfect Dark, which has newer code, already works an GE still hangs randomly?

[zinc dawn]

Because Goldeneye relies heavily on TLB

Way more than PD

I'm sure Robert will get it sorted 🙂 shame there's no workaround patch. Anyone tried the JP version?

[lament escarp]

Saving the best for last.

[zinc dawn]

Ain't it just. The only game apart from Doom and Half Life that I've played consistently since their release.

[lament escarp]

But ge not running is just such a luxury to me. A year ago n64 was deemed impossible on mister, now moat games are in a really playable state and it's only getting better and better. Even simulated transfer pack is already a thing. What a time to be alive.

[oblique remnant]

I think the devs had a nightmare too, to fix some last minute bugs. It got pretty touchy near the end not to break things with adding new stuff

[stuck summit]

Even when the core started development there was still uncertainty if it'd fit completely, fears that the core wouldn't reach fullspeed etc, and now here we are, it's great. Over the past month specially I've grown so confident in this core that I've unplugged my N64 completely and it's only in my setup for display now

[native mesa]

I have mine listed on ebay now

Which is fine by me because I can use the holiday cash

[stuck summit]

I'll probably be listing my everdrive very soon

[quasi storm]

So... Evidently someone ported FNAF to the N64. I may have to check it out and see if the core can run it.

[vapid hawk]

fnaf ?

[vapid hawk]

oh that, heh

[daring meteor]

Four Nights at Freddies

[stiff condor]

Frankly Not Any Fun FNAF

[modern sleet]

You would be surprised how bad some sellers are

[ebon kindle]

the exciment is real

[lament escarp]

Been thinking of doing the same with my xstation modded ps1, but its such a nice setup with the memcard pro I can't bare to sell it.

[orchid nimbus]

pokes head in

[wanton sun]

it seems it hits all games that use TLB for instructions AND use small page size that needs to be swapped constantly because it overflows the 32 entry TLB

but only time will tell what the real reason was

[daring meteor]

That's a lot less games than I expected honestly, just 3 games at most?

[cerulean elk]

man WTF is wrong with the stoiry in Battle Tanx lol...who wrote that 😆

[wanton sun]

well, it's a compromise: you can have multiple threads/processes with seperate memory areas and TLB without using very small pages that overflow the TLB and cause constant TLB miss exceptions + exceptions handler in software costing some % of performance

e.g. Goldeneye swaps in and out TLB while you stay idle in the first level

[hollow rune]

I just read it on Wikipedia and I hope someone got therapy

[languid dune]

Maybe it was Trip Hawkins himself!

[orchid nimbus]

wait does the game run now? did I miss something?

[cerulean elk]

ill spend less time talking about the game in the video and more just going "ok wtf was going on here..." lol

[daring meteor]

Ah

[daring meteor]

There's an alt core build that has battletanx support

[orchid nimbus]

The story is a malicious virus has wiped out 99.9 percent of the world's female population. As the world collapses in nuclear chaos (huh?), the surviving women become leaders of vicious tank- driving gangs, who fight for territory across the former United States

[knotty zealot]

that won't happen. the aliens won't allow it.

[native mesa]

I don't think that's how that would pan out... Haha

[chrome quest]

While often testing Mischief Makers intro, I felt equally confused that this beloved game opens on a scene where discount store master Roshi is being a creep

[native mesa]

Also that's still like 4 million women

Are there 4 million tank gangs?

[orchid nimbus]

and why would all female tank gangs kill eachother?

why is not one asking the hard questions?

with tanks

[chrome quest]

That time I died and got reincarnated as a battletanx

[knotty zealot]

i can't believe i didn't kill myself back when i first tried tank controls in a game

[orchid nimbus]

that's kinda harsh

[languid dune]

Even when controlling actual tanks!?

[orchid nimbus]

Tanks for nothing

[lament escarp]

Tank you!

[knotty zealot]

exactly

the controls was the REAL horror of the RE trilogy

"i grew up with it at the time and didn't have any problems with it and i'm living in denial to this day."

[native mesa]

It was why I didn't play them back in the day tbh

[knotty zealot]

the boy who lived

you never played the original trilogy then

or did you "grow to enjoy the controls later" loool

something very fishy is going on here. is there a liar amongst us?

[eternal ravine]

As a tank operator, you should be able to dominate those games

y so weak

[zinc dawn]

I'm ready for ya Goldeneye!!!!!!

Quite impressed with the quality of this controller

[orchid nimbus]

please remove yourself from this chat for holding your controller like that 😄

[knotty zealot]

yeah, that's disgusting

show some respect for the agency

[zinc dawn]

Hahahaa

[chilly ember]

Ready with the steel toed boots

[orchid nimbus]

[PC Load Letter GIF - where Samir does a heel kick to a poor printer]

[weary perch]

RE2 on N64 has a non-tank control option. if you've ever tried that you know why the controls are the way they are, because having camera-relative control is disorienting when the camera angle changes radically, constantly

[eternal ravine]

Yeah it would be a nightmare to re-orient with every camera change

[knotty zealot]

i re-oriented my tube as a kid

much like boomers do today

i'm pointing at all of you

[eternal ravine]

I used to carry the family CRT up a flight of stairs to my room to play games
Then I finally got a stereo TV once I started working

[chilly ember]

That control actually ain't that bad when you get used to it. I finished RE2 on N64 once with it on

[tropic sand]

Bit late trying the battletanks build ....but must say I enjoyed the game (never played it before) and it plays really well.

Robert is awesome <- this

[knotty zealot]

have you PLAYED doom eternal?

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-4144941840291649937

my reaction exactly when i did

[manic basin]

I felt just like this. I loved 2016 but eternal just sort of fell flat. Someone said it was Ratchet and Clank A Rift Apart without the charm and that actually made it a bit more playable when I approached it that way, but....eh.

[knotty zealot]

you get to fire disney plasma rifles

[latent dagger]

Doom 3 best Doom

[knotty zealot]

brutal doom is the best doom

[orchid nimbus]

doom metal is the best doom

[gaunt star]

Zeldoom

[eternal ravine]

Wolfenstein is better DOOM

[woeful beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/mf-doom-bruh-gif-21496180

[manic basin]

Fantastic

[knotty zealot]

russel mistelcrowe?

[mellow path]

Disappointingly no MF DOOM-themed Doom wads

[woeful beacon]

we are in the worst timeline

[sullen harbor]

Would you believe the first sentence of that was the original premise of the last of us as well. Except wiped out it was Zombie plague. The rest was a genderflipped Y the last man/Lone Wolf and Cub clone. If I remember correctly the premise was pitched under the title HuMANity

[eternal ravine]

An open-world Kozure Okami game would be amazing

With babycart gun panel

[sullen harbor]

lol. But seriously I remember reading that basically everyone looked at neil druckmann at the time and was like "No. What the hell, dude?" and he reworked it from there

[weary palm]

Those are some manly man hands

[mild ether]

Looked over a disassembly of Indiana Jones today a little bit and I am not sure the reason for it not booting is related to an anti piracy measure based on timing.

[orchid nimbus]

yes - that was known already 🙂

[woeful beacon]

stray has more humanity than detroit become human

[vapid hawk]

stray is awesome

[mild ether]

I might be missing something and the disassembly wasn't clean so lots to manually review yet. The theory being that in order to determine the timing you would need to copy the value out of the cop0 counter register and compare it to another value. So something like mfc0 $t8, $9

[wanton sun]

yes, that happens

let me find the exact opcode

[mild ether]

I will keep looking.

[stiff condor]

Wait a minute, you guys don't hold your controller like this?

[wanton sun]

the game stays in a endless check, with mfc0 2,9

opcode 0x40024800

[mild ether]

I read through the comments on the emu discord about it and it seemed like nobody there actually checked a disassembly.

[solemn marlin]

I do also take out the controller, just holding it staring vacantly into space, soundlessly mouthing the word "goldeneye"

[daring meteor]

Patching it out, anyone?

[mild ether]

Good deal! I will find it.

[zinc dawn]

Im a full time arcade tech, motorcycle hobbiest, The Mrs always says 'I need a wash' 😆

[mild ether]

Working on it.

[wanton sun]

i tried to reverse some of the jumps after that cop0_9 read, but it didn't had any effect

but i was doing it in blind

[daring meteor]

Wait, wouldn't you need access to Robert's emulator to know it works?

[wanton sun]

program counter is 0x4003d070, which is TLB mapped to 0x3d070, no idea if that helps

[mild ether]

Ok, I will track down that opcode and dig around.

[zinc dawn]

Normally my right hand is on the right prong.

[stiff condor]

I was using it to take the picture

[zinc dawn]

[wanton sun]

you could also use ares and always return zero or any number when reading cop0_9, but i could also test if a patch works. However, ares would be better as my emulator is not sure to be able to run the game if it passes the check

same for the core

[daring meteor]

Ah, yeah, patching Ares would be better

[mild ether]

No, but having an exact place to look makes it easier. I was just guessing how it worked.

[wanton sun]

if it helps more i can take a export of the whole loop that keeps reading the count

[mild ether]

I will let you know, got to get rest now before work.

[wanton sun]

there are 2 reads to it with 299 instructions in between, then it pauses for some million, probably one check per vsync

[vapid hawk]

maybe it'll start working when you dial in various timing stuff?

[wanton sun]

maybe. currently i have no idea what it even checks. CPU timing, cart timing, memory timing, something completly different?

as it is most likely no anti-emulation but anti-cart-piracy the cart timing would make most sense

[vapid hawk]

yeah there were flashcarts even back then i think

doctor n64 or something?

they're huge and crazy looking iirc

[chilly ember]

Doctor v64, that's where the v64 extension comes from if I do recall correct

[cerulean elk]

full time arcade tech and we havent met yet? how is that possible lol

[uncut gyro]

this was a thing with anti-Bleem countermeasures in some late PS1 games

but with disc read timings, not cart

[zinc dawn]

I'm in UK my dude. Not many of us left lol

[cerulean elk]

glad someone else is around here beating the arcade board drum

they mostly give me shit around here for my collecting habits 😆

[eternal ravine]

Then you sit back, laughing, as you play Outfoxies

wait, do you own that?

[mortal panther]

Probably. He does collect a lot of weird shit. 😏

They only make fun of you because they love you.

...or they're jealous.

[eternal ravine]

Pure jealousy

[mortal panther]

I guess both things can be true.

[elder glade]

What’s the deal with the influx of slowdowns on the core?

Sorry if that’s been answered already

[chilly ember]

What are you trying to play that has slowdown?

N64 real hardware has alot of slowdown as is

[neat sierra]

Slowdown? On MY N64? Never!

[elder glade]

Mario 64. Most notably Bombomb Battlefield

[neat sierra]

You should be more shocked when it doesn’t slowdown

[elder glade]

also Goemon at the opening

[neat sierra]

Oh hmm

[elder glade]

town

[pure ocean]

Wasn't Jet Force Gemini working in the past? (or was it a Youtube video I watched?. i'm getting a black screen when I want to start the game with "SP crashed" and some hex code (PAL)

[ocean lily]

i too remember oot at 60 fps

[elder glade]

The intro is still out of sync on goemon too

[chilly ember]

Jet force has never been working really

[elder glade]

(This is all on a CRT via analog io

[pure ocean]

Ah thank you! Then it was probably a YT video I've seen

[chilly ember]

Tlb is not finished so tlb games are gonna have slowdown. Don't think tlb has access to data cache

[chilly ember]

Do you have data cache on when playing super mario 64? You should try dire dire docks 😂 that level has absurd slowdown on real hardware

[mortal panther]

If you're seeing more and more slowdown recently, that just means the core is getting more and more accurate. 😉

[eternal ravine]

Yeah, those expansion pak games can chug hard

[wraith estuary]

This went away for me when I did full settings reset in the core

Some of the old settings from a month ago break the current core.

[mortal panther]

Mario's mustache adds quite a bit of drag.

[zenith orchid]

That seems like a good way to hold the controller for atari games.

[stiff condor]

And Super Mario 64

[native mesa]

I have much more respect for those who collect arcade boards since they are rare and expensive and will be needed someday to reverse engineer

[cerulean elk]

haha I am just kidding anyway

[elfin depot]

Check your inbox if you think that's the case

[cerulean elk]

no but I have Mach Breakers so I could probably convert

just never have. Mach Breakers is a banger too

[cerulean elk]

you dont have a Hornet 713 Voodoo Video board hiding over in the UK do you? haha

[wraith estuary]

#1096015979055697940 message
lmk if you try it

[weary palm]

Aydin or Quest? Which one is the better RPG?

[elder glade]

Interesting. Thank you!

[weary perch]

aidyn is ambitious and fascinating from a certain distance, but quite a bit of a chore to actually play

it's huge, at least

quest 64 has great music but feels very unfinished

[weary palm]

I hope you make this a reality one day. I'm very curious how it would look. 🙂 The HDMI scaler is very configurable and giving it a sharper source to work with... yeah, I'm curious.

[mortal panther]

After a half hour of doing nothing but walking after starting a new game in Quest 64, I eventually succumbed to agonizing boredom and turned it off.

[weary palm]

good thing there's a lot of RPG's on the platform to choose from.

[weary perch]

i am looking forward to when the backgrounds in Ogre Battle get fixed, but that one is a different stripe of RPG

[daring meteor]

YUV

[orchid nimbus]

I'm dissapointed in the n64 and RPGs - because the SNES was a powerbeast when it came to RPGs

they all went to Sony and their 'nintendo station'

[weary palm]

Yeah, I was being mighty sarcastic.

[ocean lily]

they all jumped to playstation so they could have 20 minutes of FMVs while the games themselves could have easily otherwise fit on a cart

[weary palm]

Me and my N64 was a bit jealous at the Final Fantasy games on the competing platform.

[ocean lily]

most final fantasy FMVs didn't even have sound and used midis instead to save space

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/Ce8-_jG3NGI?t=173

really 😄

[weary palm]

MIDIs are fine if you use a good sound font. What's YOUR favourite sound font? 🙂

[zinc dawn]

Unfortunately not to my knowledge bud. Got some model 3 boards a namco system 22 and a few others lying around

[stuck summit]

Well there was also the issue of carts being more expensive to order and taking longer to produce than CDs. So say you had to release a game but you weren't sure of how much it'd sell. If you ordered too many carts, and they ended up not selling, you were screwed. If your game ended up being a hit, it'd take weeks, sometimes months to get more carts made. Meanwhile with CDs they could be conservative and if the game was a hit, print more CDs accordingly. Sony used this advantage to court a lot of developers

[ocean lily]

SYXG50 was great and even came with the PC version of FFVII

[stuck summit]

can't really blame them, specially smaller developers

[ocean lily]

dreamcast is just an overclocked saturn

ps2 is just an overclocked n64

[weary palm]

the NES is just an overclocked Colecovision.

[mortal panther]

The NES is a downgraded C64

[weary palm]

don't mind the Colecovision being clocked higher than the NES

[mortal panther]

The SNES was a good example of clock speed not being terribly crucial. 😉

[weary palm]

hm, the C64 has more RAM, but it ain't no graphical powerhouse per se

Man , moodnanny will scould me for being off topic again soon.

[zenith orchid]

Your thumb can reach A & B that way? 👀

Oh wait, mine can too 😄

[stiff condor]

My right hand

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I'm gonna try that, I never touch the c-buttons on SM64

LOL there's no way you can walk to the left while jumping 🤣

[cerulean elk]

50ish minutes to more N64 shenanigans

[eternal ravine]

I meant the Wolf 3D sequels 😉

[stiff condor]

What do you mean

[languid dune]

You give yourself more shit about it than any of us!

[zenith orchid]

Because if you're moving to the left, that's where your thumb is going, so how would you press A or B while moving in that direction?

[cerulean elk]

lol cause its funny

[languid dune]

Mrs. Esoterica is an enabler!

[stiff condor]

You move the joystick with your left hand and press A and B with your right

[zenith orchid]

Yes of course. I thought you were talking about using the controller one-handed.

In which case you could totally play atari games one handed if you use Z as fire. Hell if you have two N64 controllers, you can play 2-player atari games, both players, by yourself. 😄

Imagine playing pong that way, that'll take some real hand-eye coordination

[weary palm]

It's a more difficult game without camera control.

[mortal panther]

I thought her name was Mrs. Bacon. My bad.

[random portal]

ey yo, imagine if Sega became strictly a publisher after the Master System? What kind of games would we be inevitably seeing on N64?

[chilly ember]

Sonic blast

[weary beacon]

Hey-O, I like Jalapeno! We would have had Sonic 64.

[chilly ember]

Sonic jam with worse music

[cerulean elk]

vid is loose

[zinc dawn]

Roland SC-55

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-to-get-out-of-the-house-viralhog-dog-hurrying-outside-excited-dog-im-outta-here-gif-26222391

[cerulean elk]

lol acts like my dog

[random portal]

with the scooby doo skidding?

I cant help but imagine a really low res jet set radio game

[zinc dawn]

What bt adapter to I need for the nso switch controller?

[native mesa]

The one that gets closest to Roland SC-55

[zinc dawn]

That's what I said lol. I use an ewave on my win98 soundcard. Doom really rocks with it.

[native mesa]

I have an actual SC-55 though and I haven't found a soundfont that can get 100%

[weary palm]

That's a good one. 🙂 SC-88 is also nice.

[zinc dawn]

Niseu. Voodoo owners raise your hands!

I used Roland's soundcanvas on my modern pc

[native mesa]

The rack mount one does both

[zinc dawn]

Do you live in a white box? Kinda like that scene in the Matrix

[native mesa]

There is no spoon

[chilly ember]

Dream blaster for the win

[zinc dawn]

Nope but there is a Roland!

[weary palm]

plenty of forks, though. especially on github.

[zinc dawn]

Yeah they are cool. I got the old wavetable header card. It's niseu.

[chilly ember]

Lol I don't think I've booted up my 486 for like 5 months, my soundblaster 16 might have got moved over to my k6 2 machine. Can't remember

[zinc dawn]

I haven't booted in a month. Was playing Unreal. Now been console hopping. Can't play anything until GE is ready.

I spent hours of my life installing win98 and finding the drivers for everything while various bits of hardware failed

I have PIII Coppermine 😉 with an ISA slot. Mmmmmnn

Is analog out working on the old n64 core? I forget

[chilly ember]

It's been working for me but I only use component

MikeS has cores that he releases but last one is probably a couple days old

[native mesa]

Gameblaster mmm

[zinc dawn]

Oooh my PVM is component through the scart header as well as rgb

Well sync on green

[weary palm]

I was today years old when I found out you could display recently used cores with select

And recent ROMs too! My gosh I feel like an idiot now.

Game changer

[uncut gyro]

yea, it's a great feature!

[weary palm]

Now I can't live without it

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-guns-gif-13573434

[zinc dawn]

Imagine being surrounded by retro hardware instead

[weary palm]

Does the kung fu training happen in some part of the Matrix or is it run on an FPGA?

[random portal]

definitely FPGA

they have to reprogram the simulation every time

at least the isolated simulation

[zinc dawn]

Yeah Robert did the core

[weary palm]

xD

he's the architect

[zinc dawn]

He's the architect

Snap

[weary palm]

jinx

[zinc dawn]

Should be a photoshop

[weary palm]

I beat Koopa the quick!!!

[zinc dawn]

I need a bit adapter so I can play

Bt

[weary palm]

Photoshop of the Architect with Peip's face and a hundred crts in the background with different cores running.

[weary palm]

An attempt?

barely

[random portal]

as soon as someone said the architect I got to work

[weary palm]

quick and dirty

[zinc dawn]

That's the shiznit right there

[random portal]

it's going in general too for the newbies

[zinc dawn]

Love it

[random portal]

nvm its not funny without the context

[zinc dawn]

True

[weary palm]

Please tell me you used a $300 program to make that

[random portal]

slight edit

[vapid hawk]

now make all the screens in the background mario face

[zinc dawn]

That's a 1000 dollar progran

*program

Right there.

[weary palm]

Imagine the horror of having "young" ears and being in that room.

[chilly ember]

I can still hear that sound so blah

[zinc dawn]

I'm eagerly awaiting Kannibals finished edit

[weary palm]

you have young ears then

[zinc dawn]

I can't hear nout

[weary palm]

YES

[random portal]

:)

[zinc dawn]

Perfection

Just needs an N64 controller in his hands

[weary palm]

I think he spends more time in front of a Komputer honestly

[zinc dawn]

I know

But keyboard wouldn't fit right

In this pic

Maybe? On his lap?

[weary palm]

it's already perfect

brings a tear to my eye

[zinc dawn]

😄

Tbh I think the mario screens made it

[random portal]

added TLB

[zinc dawn]

Yeah I was thinking TLB

[weary palm]

Wonder if any FPGA dev at Intel/Terasic has an eye on this project.

[random portal]

Terasic has had their eye on MiSTer

they sent several C&D's.

[weary palm]

wat.

[random portal]

(consoles & dildos)

[weary palm]

HAHA

To Sorg?

[random portal]

yes so he can decap

and trace

[vapid hawk]

they did once send us a kind of PSA: "test your de10nano with the stock sdcard before you start sticking a load of random parts on it and complaining it doesn't work" to us

[weary palm]

always wanted to decap a dildo

[zinc dawn]

Yeah I remember that

[vapid hawk]

so they know about us, as a support problem 😛 at least

[zinc dawn]

Add TLB to a dildo

[random portal]

oh yeah cause people kept trying to refund

[zinc dawn]

Because they broke their DE10s?

[vapid hawk]

idk how many returns they actually had or anything, they didn't say

[weary palm]

(That Lube Bottle)

[chilly ember]

That's kinda funny lol

[zinc dawn]

This just gets better and better

Been trying to watch my movie. Just get distracted

I think Serge and Robert have been the best thing to come to Retro Gaming. Honestly the King should knight them or something

[weary palm]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=2786

[zinc dawn]

*Sorge rather

[random portal]

oh shit I forgot about this

[zinc dawn]

I'm very careful with my MiSter.

[random portal]

no me, I've been very neglectful of it

[zinc dawn]

I got him is own little case and everything

[random portal]

• I don't dust it
• I toss it in the first anti-static bag I see
• have not bought a case for it yet

[zinc dawn]

But can't fit the back on because of stupid ram I got off ebay

[zinc dawn]

Do you wear socks and scuff your feet on the carpet and then handle it?

[random portal]

I have ceramic tile floor

[weary palm]

took me a year before I mustered up and bought a hub, io board and case for mine. 😄

[zinc dawn]

Yeah I used to just use a cheap otg hub

[vapid hawk]

i use my de10nano to wipe the static off my crt, thats ok right?

[random portal]

does it still turn on?

[weary palm]

Ran it without a fan, 32 megs and an USB OTG cable until then

[zinc dawn]

Yeah but you gotta do it with your fingers jammed under the anode cap

Just to be safe

[vapid hawk]

yeah ofc

[zinc dawn]

😆

[vapid hawk]

barefoot in a slightly flooded basement, like it says in the manual

[zinc dawn]

Exactly how it says.

Then send it back to Terasic asking for a refund.

Makes sure its a carpeted basement

[weary palm]

I like this logo

[zinc dawn]

Niseu.

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-gif-16453072321372676959

[weary palm]

Clean it with a power washer and dry it in the microwave

[zinc dawn]

I haven't tried that one.

[solemn marlin]

Jet set radio n64 would be chef's kiss

[vapid hawk]

that would be something

[solemn marlin]

Monkey ball 64 seems like a given, it's the perfect demake, most likely a lot less trouble than portal 64 imo

[chilly ember]

Gba got monkey ball so why not

[vapid hawk]

i wonder if n64 could do JSR... some of the later stages are pretty large and || it eventually opens up into practically open world||

[solemn marlin]

They'd have to be reworked I guess, you could probably rip all assets from monkeyball without changing anything

[vapid hawk]

monkeyball is 60fps on gamecube but you can probably half that and still have something playable

[solemn marlin]

I have no idea whether it'd be less difficult to do than portal 64 but it feels rather barebones mechanically, not a lot of animations and involved interactions beyond the ball moving

[vapid hawk]

you probably need a decomp to begin

well, either that or you're going to spend a long time trying to get the feel right

[solemn marlin]

You'd be at "oh this is monkeyball" with just proper movement on a block in nothingness, unlike something like zelda or portal

[vapid hawk]

yeah

getting the specific like, momentum and acceleration etc might be a bit tricky

[solemn marlin]

I wish I could tbh, seems like just doing it from scratch is just as viable in this scenario

True

[vapid hawk]

wind-waker demake would be neat

kinda obvious though

[solemn marlin]

There is a 25% decomp of monkeyball, maybe the secret sauce to the physics is already there..

A lot would be neat but kind of a pipe-dream

A gta demake would rule but probably impossible even if you made every character a cube

[random portal]

It would have to be a really simplified game

The open world games would have to be sliced into levels, maybe connected with a hub world

[solemn marlin]

Monkeyball easily has the best simplified/fun gameplay ratio I can think of, barring cool 2d games

The source code for celeste is out there iirc, could that be ported?

[stiff condor]

I finally got my setup complete

[ripe sentinel]

havnt updated the core in a while - i heard that the update_n64 script is no longer recommended to use? is it just the update all script + the addition to the ini ?

[stiff condor]

Yes

[quasi storm]

Man, that MiSTer looks SICK!

[wind lark]

Copy to /media/fat/Scripts the latest from https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MiSTer-devel/Downloader_MiSTer/main/downloader.sh and then edit /media/fat/downloader to look something like
[mister]
base_path = '/media/fat/'
storage_priority = 'prefer_sd'
allow_delete = 1
allow_reboot = 1
update_linux = true
parallel_update = true
downloader_timeout = 300
downloader_retries = 3
verbose = false

[distribution_mister]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MiSTer-devel/Distribution_MiSTer/main/db.json.zip

[jtcores]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jotego/jtcores_mister/main/jtbindb.json.zip

[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip

[ripe sentinel]

thanks ed. ill check some setttings. cause i have the [n64_dev] but after running update all im still not seeing the latest core build

[wind lark]

Try running /media/fat/Scripts/downloader.sh

[stiff condor]

Thanks. The cost reflects it lol

[ripe sentinel]

added downlaoder.sh to the Scripts and running that righ tnow

n64 11.26 🙂

thanks

[quasi storm]

I see a new core hasn't been uploaded in awhile. That's good!

It means Robert is actually taking a break!

[stiff condor]

2 days is a while? Lol

[quasi storm]

For Robert?

[stiff condor]

Good point

[quasi storm]

2 days is an eternity.

[solid crest]

He made two builds yesterday, just didn’t put them in test builds.

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[quasi storm]

Oh, missed that...

Darn it Robert!

I knew he couldn't do it!

[cerulean elk]

No new core today. I’ve gotta squeak these preview vids out before they become eclipsed lol

[quasi storm]

Too late.

[trim seal]

So what are you gonna do with all your free time once the core is released?

[wanton sun]

Yes, i didn't start up my PC yesterday after work. Instead i did PSX DDR and then completed OoT

[vapid hawk]

nice

[quasi storm]

You deserve it!

[vapid hawk]

whats your favorite ddr song?

[wanton sun]

i only play DDR-Disney, i just like the positive mood of this game. So it's supercalifragilistic

[quasi storm]

Explialadosious?

[wanton sun]

i probably spelled it wrong, but yes this one

[vapid hawk]

even though the sound of it is something quite atroicious ?

[wanton sun]

is it? for me it's not

[vapid hawk]

(thats how the song goes 🙂 )

[elfin relic]

if I had to pick from DDR Disney, I think my fav is "Mickey Mouse March (Eurobeat Ver.)"

[wanton sun]

haha, you got me 🙂

[quasi storm]

Aw... I was gonna keep it going, but it went stale 😆

[wanton sun]

the only downside is that i hit my maximum skill for about 1 year now. I can do some 5 star tracks at AAA, but most 6 star i cannot do at all

probably too old 😦

[quasi storm]

You're only as old as you feel.

Try Red Bull. I once trounced a bunch of kids in Gorilla Tag after slamming one.

If you know that game, you know how hardcore it can be. 😆

[oblique remnant]

Happy Piano Vibes 🤩. A Snac could help aswell to reduce the input lag I guess

[odd vector]

It's so hardcore, I don't even get the controls right xD

[quasi storm]

Haven't played it in quite some time. I don't know if I can even play it anymore. The last time was about a year and a half ago...