Nintendo 64

[dusk glen]

Just out of curiosity I decided to try GoldenEye and it's booting, although very slowly for now. Exciting!

[zinc dew]

wheee, play with fire and I'm gonna get burned LOL

[wanton sun]

@zealous hull however, conker is using TLB and cheats together with TLB is a nightmare

[daring meteor]

But consider:

[chrome quest]

FYI I said Tooie boot on 19th Nov core. Can't reproduce. I had a hang on intro with audio loop, but can't get it again #1096015979055697940 message

[dusty tusk]

How did gamesharks handle cheats

[neat sierra]

Have you considered not cheating?

[vagrant ivy]

Basketsnake photo ?

[zealous hull]

guess i gotta git gud 🙂

[daring meteor]

Very intresting

[zinc dew]

@vagrant ivy ok back up! Thank you for catching that Tim ❤️

and @latent galleon

and probably everyone else in chat lmao

[dusty tusk]

Luckily with crack, tooie has worked for a while now

[vagrant ivy]

I is a professional Stalker !

[latent galleon]

hold on, texting robby's wife with that picture "don't worry, tigger is fine"

[knotty zealot]

lolol

[cerulean elk]

to voiceover!

[orchid nimbus]

Polaris SnoCross (USA).z64

doesn't crash anymore

[carmine kettle]

anyway i can convert fla to sav?

[daring meteor]

Did you try another race

Sometimes you can finish a race in Polaris

[wanton sun]

rename

if it's 128kbyte in size

[mellow raft]

https://savefileconverter.com/#/mister

[fallen sparrow]

Amazing

[mellow raft]

If not :3

[shrewd peak]

christmas coming early for like the 50th time this year jeez

[carmine kettle]

let me try my paper mario save file

[orchid nimbus]

here you go

@wanton sun after today's test round (assuming no regression) we're now at 91%

[latent galleon]

i find that chart confusing every time, but that is on me

[raw oriole]

The key should be the main colour, not the line colour

[orchid nimbus]

Jet Force Gemini (USA).z64 = Boots

[vapid moat]

Can't still convert some of my Retroarch-saves by simple renaming or with that srm-to-save shrinker to 32kb

Wanna access my Paper Mario-save

[languid dune]

I'm torn between wanting to test this new build and setting up my new Steam Deck OLED that just arrived!

[latent galleon]

i feel like we just need "doesn't boot", because "bootable" shrinking over time catches me out as well

[daring meteor]

Technically "Doesn't boot" mostly means "boots really slowly" now

[latent galleon]

no boot for you

[carmine kettle]

nope doesnt work

[orchid nimbus]

@daring meteor boots for Jet Force Gemini (USA).z64 = hard crash

[daring meteor]

Yes, that's unchanged

[orchid nimbus]

well the error code changed after the earlier TLB release

[wanton sun]

jfg shouldn't really be different, maybe random

[vapid hawk]

Y/C build is up for those who celebrate

❤️ thanks @modern sleet

[wanton sun]

will work on the tlb+instruction cache next. If conker and goldeneye really work with it then, it would be great. But it can take a while, this is really the hardest part of all the TLB work, so it can easily take a week

[vapid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-good-luck-pressure-were-all-counting-on-you-gif-11218612

[daring meteor]

Does that include the mini TLB?

[wanton sun]

yes

[hollow rune]

Be nice to Iguana man!

[daring meteor]

That's what I assumed haha

Hopefully it'll simplify things for Data cache too

[wanton sun]

4 paths/combinations must work: cache hit/miss and minitlb hit/miss

(also minitlb hit and no instruction cache used is still missing)

[daring meteor]

wait wdym missing, the minitlb is missing, no?

[wanton sun]

yes, currently it always behaves like minitlb miss + uncached mem access

[hollow rune]

Can someone fix the test sheet.

[daring meteor]

Ah

[toxic pumice]

wait another tlb update, I napped for a LITTLE BIT and this drops and now I'm seeing Goemon screenshots

[orchid nimbus]

today's changes

[toxic pumice]

ah perfect

[orchid nimbus]

JFG == no change

sorry should have excluded

[wanton sun]

I'm not so sure about Polaris

[chrome quest]

All Japanese exclusives now boot. DDR is "Playable", but without the dance pad I'm not sure I'm being honest. Guess that's a SNAC use case!

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun I finished a whole race

[daring meteor]

Isn't the N64 dance pad just a controller?

[toxic pumice]

Any change with the Turok games or Gauntlet?

[vagrant ivy]

Robert ahs a new Dance Game to Play !

[daring meteor]

You can do that sometimes

[hollow rune]

@wanton sun

[wanton sun]

we had some Polaris fan here, we will know soon 😉

[daring meteor]

Maybe they work at 0.1% speed if you leave them 15 minutes on

But not worth it haha

[orchid nimbus]

I put polaris back to boots

[modern sleet]

007 intro is worth the wait

haha

[toxic pumice]

gotcha, thank you. 🙂

[wanton sun]

they gave the sequel a proper HUD background...the one in the first game looks horrible, i thought it was a RDP bug

[dusty tusk]

Trying cracked jet force gemini. When does it usually crash?

[wanton sun]

in the intro

[vapid moat]

Bomberman 64's playable but it's clearly not full speed (60fps), bit hard to adjust for now~

[wanton sun]

will be away for today, have fun 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

thanks

[daring meteor]

The game isn't 60fps tho?

[dusty tusk]

Cracked jet force gemini still black screens

But at least the cracktro has some bangin jams

[hollow rune]

Did anyone test Snocross?

[daring meteor]

Vampier did, completed a race, and thought it was fine

[vapid moat]

Huhhh -on Retroarch it sure looks like it

[chrome quest]

Guess we can delete the "*European ROMset excluded temporally, as it employs a different status ranking method. (??)" line from the test sheet now?

[daring meteor]

Retroarch (Nor any other emulator, including the core) is accurate speed wise

[daring meteor]

Any objection to that?

[orchid nimbus]

did you even read your DMs?

😄

[dusty tusk]

Isn't ares pretty accurate, although not full speed

[vagrant ivy]

Pandas can't read

[mortal steeple]

check what retroarch says for "internal fps", there's a diff

[chilly ember]

Did anyone test snocross

[mellow raft]

Did anyone test pandacross

[daring meteor]

lmao

[fair stump]

Did anyone test snocross

[daring meteor]

Did anypanda test Chameleon Twist

[mellow raft]

love ya Panda xD

[orchid nimbus]

particpating in this chat - therefore can read

[vagrant ivy]

Text to Sound !

[orchid nimbus]

panda to text

sure

[cerulean elk]

and rendering

1:30 after core...ill take it!

[vagrant ivy]

I hope the 10k I just paid robert means he will release a core tomorrow !

[orchid nimbus]

Polaris snocross still hangs

@hollow rune

[daring meteor]

Polaris Snocross will be the last working game I swear

[hollow rune]

When I am on the phone it doesn't work super well

[daring meteor]

We will know next week (Or whenever Robert does iTLB caching) how many of the broken games fix themselvs

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune my hamsters ordered pizza from the bakkery but the plumber showed up with a clown nose

[hollow rune]

Sounds like you have disappointed hamsters

[fair stump]

So both goemon games work?

[weary perch]

i have a list of (i think) all the games known to crash that don't seem to be TLB-related. the server doesn't seem to wanna let me paste it, though, automod filters it

[orchid nimbus]

fishbowl cleaner guns have sharp edged of purple ooze

[vapid moat]

It's 30fps on MiSTer but IDK, it feels like it has frame skips going on for me

[chrome quest]

Just had Mischief Makers "No Boot". Rebooted the whole core and now it's working. Just FYI. Trying to retest some of the TLB games that were working before TLB got added

[cerulean elk]

Not doing it lol. I’m taking that time off

[vagrant ivy]

Pixel Cherry will get the views !

[cerulean elk]

Good 🙂 we’re friends. Chat with him daily

[vapid moat]

Huh, I assumed it was working good while now

[hollow rune]

It is magical. Will stream them this weekend!!

[chrome quest]

It did work after a full reboot. I've not had occasions of that effecting newly booted games on the N64 core in a long while, but always good to double check. Might have been some hold over from the last failed game I'd tried before that

[hollow rune]

They actually feel like they play a bit better

[weary perch]

random crashes reported include

• Chameleon Twist (seems pretty rare)
• Hydro Thunder (very rare, needs confirmation)
• Mischief Makers (rare, not reported recently)
• Lode Runner 3-D (PAL)
• Mia Hamm Soccer (and its associated regional variants)
• Polaris SnoCross
• Resident Evil 2 (partially reproducible in certain spots)
• Rugrats in Paris
• Starshot: Space Circus Fever (needs confirmation)
• World Driver Championship (rare)

[vapid hawk]

you can add resident evil2 to that list

[vapid hawk]

there's a cutscene just before the end-boss thats like, 50/50 if it'll crash

[weary perch]

there are a few others too, i keep having to re-do the list i was trying to paste in lol

Nintendo Rantarou 64 Game Gallery randomly crashes as of the last time it was tested, Mickey's Speedway USA crashes too (likely affects all regions)

[hollow rune]

CT is rare. I know cause I played it a poop ton

[weary perch]

and there's also Xeno Crisis and all libdragon SDK software

i've played a huge amount of Hydro Thunder and only seen it crash with E0000040 exactly once

[hollow rune]

I didn't try Paper Mario. Is it full speed?

[hollow rune]

CT I've seen 3 times

[weary perch]

World Driver Championship averages out to like one crash every 4 hours ime, not a common one there either

hard to test

[hollow rune]

Definitely. chameleon Twist is always a different spot

[cerulean elk]

seemed fine

obv didnt get too far in for expediency

[weary perch]

really hoping some random other change also fixes some of these random crashes, because they seem like they'd be a huge pain to debug specifically with how random and rare they can be

some of them could even be fixed as they are so rare, you don't always see them even if they are still around

[chrome quest]

Found your old list #1096015979055697940 message looking to see if I ever did mention "Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery (Japan)". Looks like I did then, crash still happening, not sure if it went off the list deliberatly or just got lost. I've checked that one again today

[weary perch]

it's on my actual list, but i couldn't paste that in so i tried to re-do it lol

i mentioned it after

there's also stuff like bangaioh and bass rush which crash at specific, reproducible spots. JFG could be included there

[chrome quest]

"I'm ready! Let's go!"
Somehow not got a screenshot post yet.
Goemon!!!

[hollow rune]

Is there a way to do something like TAS on MiSTer?

[weary perch]

i believe it'd need to be something a core author implements, like the ability to read an input file

to my knowledge the only exploration of that on MiSTer was with the NES core

it worked with some games but desynced in some cases

[dusty tusk]

First stage of mystical ninja
https://youtu.be/3u9aPu0_6JM?si=MAwMhf_-uZLSmEhj

[hexed knot]

There are ways to feed inputs through an arduino into a 64 controller input, so something going through a SNAC adapter might work. But I don't know what the database of N64 TAS runs looks like.

[weary perch]

N64 TASes often don't work on console because the emulators don't have good enough timing

[chrome quest]

@orchid nimbus Where did you get the E40 error on Goemon today? Just curious if I missed it in PAL, or perhaps doesn't happen

[weary perch]

this might be fruitful ground to revisit with things like the new(ish) Mega Drive core

but it'll take someone with FPGA dev skills taking a special interest in it

[hollow rune]

The only reason I ask is that maybe it is a way to test

Otherwise how can we narrow down the random crashes

[weary perch]

i mean, that's the issue, they are going to be difficult to nail down 😄

hoping they get randomly fixed by something else, but yeah i guess that's a bridge that may end up needing to be crossed at some point

[junior pine]

I don't get games saved on any tittle (everything works fine otherwise).
Is there something special needed so game saves are written to the SD?

[chrome quest]

It is funny to see some perhaps common threads. A few otherwise perfectly working games get E0080000 at very specific scenes for example. Wonder if they are all the same thing

To anyone playing Paper Mario that sees this. Be good to know if you can play through this scene in game.
Crash on attract mode consistently at this point (at least for PAL version)

[orchid nimbus]

Oh I didn't test for error codes - didn't change them

[tropic cove]

Freeze in this part. USA version

E0000820

[rich warren]

been letting KI Gold run the attract screen in the background while I clean (and enjoying some sick tunage) and it's been going strong for about an hour. It froze with the last build after about 5 minutes.

[mellow raft]

One big ask honestly that is barring my friend from getting a MiSTer is SNES USB interface like for the SD2SNES, so the MiSTer could be used in conjunction with multiplayer hacks and randomizer item tracking software, like the ALttP <-> Super Metroid crossover hack

Someone here said that it's potentially possible with the User IO port, but it would have to be developed

[vapid hawk]

Sir, this is a #1096015979055697940 channel

[left depot]

@cerulean elk new video when?

[dusty tusk]

Australian Banjo Tooie is wild

[chrome quest]

Come on 007. I ain't got all day. Walk dang it!

[cerulean elk]

39 minutes from now

4PM CST

[lament escarp]

I'll actually stay up for this.

[stuck summit]

Peach's face is accurate

[chilly ember]

Mario dead

[marble cargo]

So I guess Paper Mario needs another TLB function to make it more stable?

[cerulean elk]

let me lull you to sleep lol

[lament escarp]

This is accurate.

[little socket]

why are the doors of different height?

who builds houses like that

[chilly ember]

Left one is for bacon's office

[lament escarp]

Because the thiefs have different heights.

[left depot]

They look the same height to me. One has trim around it

[little socket]

trick question and you fell for it!

[raw oriole]

The left thief is further away and so is the doorframe

[cerulean elk]

clearly AI...nobody sleeps in jeans

pants off or no nap

[lament escarp]

It's not even my ai pic, I just stole it because it cracks me up. :x

[toxic pumice]

Anyone with a Tribute64 able to advise on why I can't seem to set my controller between default/legacy/allstar with the USB adapter?

I can switch between D-Input and X-Input but the other macros with Start+Left etc don't do anything at all

[cerulean elk]

vid is loose!

[orchid nimbus]

OMG!! 45 seconds of music

[brisk drum]

We got castlevania!!

[worn delta]

Wow, big steps today!

As mentioned yesterday, anyone itching to test might want to try out the revisions tab and see if the various revisions of games are working as the "main" one does

[orchid nimbus]

@worn delta we focussed on the main USA tab today 🙂

[worn delta]

Hopefully there are no differences, but can never be sure

[mortal panther]

The doors are the same height. The right one just has wider trim around the frame.

[worn delta]

With cheats, it may be worth requesting if the game hacking guys can make up a MiSTer pack like the others so it is there if Robert or someone does want to look at it down the road. Quite curious to see how big that pack will be, might be beefy.

[chrome quest]

I've also just finished checking Europe and Japan for the No Boot/Boots games for any change

Wow, Japan 94.9% 95.4% playable

[worn delta]

Nice!

[chrome quest]

Suprisingly less japanese games than the other regions....

[orchid nimbus]

US 90.9%

[vapid hawk]

afaik those modes only work when using the n64 adapter not the usb one (same with the L/Z R/Z swaps)

[cerulean elk]

lmk when we hit 96.9%

thats cause to celebrate

[chilly ember]

Lol I was gonna make a joke like that but I chose not to

[lament escarp]

Lmk when 420% are playable

[jade bay]

just want to say goemon 64 is running fantastic

game is notoriously bad for emulators and its running with no problems i can see on the mister

[blissful plaza]

Mystical Ninja starring Goemon works quite great after my extensive test today.
The game does slow down on one map (Awaji) with many enemies on screen, as the original game does the same.
Just some textures warping on the dragon's tail, but I don't remember if the original system have the same bug anymore.

I've tested until the beginning of Ghost Toys Castle.

[worn delta]

That's ace about Mystical Ninja, great to hear that is running now

Is the sequel loading now?

[blissful plaza]

Yes.

I've done 3 stages on the sequel, without an issue.

[worn delta]

Wow, that's great news

[blissful plaza]

For Paper Mario, if we disable the Data cache, the intro works completely.
But the game will slow down quite a bit.

And if we leave the Data cache ON, the intro will freeze before the end (we must skip it), but in-game it runs great.

[drowsy lantern]

So at this point, how confident are we that Robert can get TLB in at full speed?

[latent galleon]

all the way confident

[dusty tusk]

He'll probably somehow make it run better than the N64 on accident

[blissful plaza]

If I follow well some discussions, maybe not 100% accurate and complete TLB functions (as the MiSTer can't take it), but at least all needed ones for the games on the 32-bit part.

[drowsy lantern]

As long as all retail games run as they should, that's accurate enough for me. 😛

[chilly ember]

I need at least 69 fps in goldeneye

[chrome quest]

Had you tested the crash on NTSC? I found a PAL crash that was consistent. Only tested NTSC once. That time I skipped the first intro cutscene, let "attract mode" cutscene start from the title screen. Audio dropped out as Peach appeared, but it did continue, back to title again, without crashing.
Only did it the once to check if it was the same point as PAL.
Japanese intro plays all the way, no sound loss, no crash.
The 3 regions have always had different error codes and such

[cerulean elk]

If anyone beats any of the games today @ me. So I can tell people in the next video

Please 🙂

[solemn marlin]

Wild how I just played the most perfectly emulated bomberman 64 ever

[latent galleon]

it definitely looks and feels real, real good

[blissful plaza]

On NTSC-U.
I let one of my MiSTer systems with the game rolling when discussing with everyone here and saw that freeze with Bowser and Maka Troopa on screen when going back.

I tried a second time with a full reset of the core. Same result.
That's when you said to me to let the Data cache option on OFF just a moment after.
EDIT : Rolling back the discussions some hours ago.

I tried to load my save and saw the game going REALLY SLOW and going back to normal speed when I let the Data Cache on ON position.

I could do some more tests tomorrow night if necessary.
'Was too eager to play Goemon again.

[chrome quest]

Thanks for the info. I'll check mine again now from fresh boot, USA version, no inputs, see what happens

There's that crash alright. So I skipped that intro on my first test, and found the attract mode section behaviour.

I guess the Japanese is the most stable for now with Cache on. At least as far as the intro is concerned

[blissful plaza]

We're talking about the same crash.

Too bad, the battery inside my Controller Pak was already dead when I tried to dump it earlier, so did my saves from back then.
I have an excuse to replay some N64 games in the next few weeks now.
But I won't have time to finish the first Goemon game tonight.
Mountains of paperwork tomorrow morning and sleep time needed.

[thorny marten]

What is this sorcery? Paper mario works!

[native mesa]

Has anyone tried jet force Gemini?

[tropic cove]

keeps crashing

[brisk drum]

Rakuga kids works !

Fucking finally!

[native mesa]

Maybe after I finish SMRPG remake I'll do paper mario

Even though it isn't square and it makes me sad

But I'll give it the chance I never did back in the day

[chilly ember]

It is a good one, I finished it once when I was like 9 and another time on the Wii like 10 years ago. Haven't done a playthrough since

I've not been interested on all the paper mario games since thousand year old door and wish they'd make a new one in the style that those two are

[round hull]

Jet force gemini works

Never mind it crashed

Got a error message saying sp crashed, gfx-80222e28

[dusty tusk]

Paper Mario has some really fun writing and scenarios

[chilly ember]

Finally home time to load up conker so I let it crash and be satisfied

Neat, what happens with one of the conkers bad fur day betas

[hexed knot]

Hmm, not sure if it counts, but Mario Tennis appears fully playable (if a little laggy) in the latest build with Data Cache OFF.

[chrome quest]

Yeah, FIFA 64 has been the same way for a while too, and that setting seems to help avoid Paper Mario crashes for now too.
I don't understand, but it is neat

[hexed knot]

Just whatever you do, don't turn data cache on mid-play.

Boy that gets crazy fast.

[worn delta]

If Mario Tennis is working now there is Transfer Pak support on that one, which reading seems to be minigames that can unlock courts in the main game which sound pretty neat

[zealous hull]

Once my SNAX stuff gets in from MisterAddons I'm going to try to unlock that stuff via TransferPak legit.

[chilly ember]

I was told Goldeneye crashed after the logos

[worn delta]

Oh, can you get into gameplay?

[chilly ember]

I hear level music

Still waiting xD

I'll give it 10 minutes and see what happens. It loaded the first level anyways and is playing the music but black screen

[oblique crow]

OH MY GOD

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

SQUEE

[inner plume]

oh dear the paper mario intro dies spectacularly with a sound I can only describe as "completely hellish"

Fortunately the game itself is working okay so far

[chilly ember]

Crashes when makes mario deaded

From reports I saw

[zealous hull]

am i having a stroke

[inner plume]

Hey at least Luigi can go further than his mailbox without having a stroke

That's progress

[chilly ember]

When tlb is working correctly, it's gonna be as great as getting a stroke

Giggity

[zealous hull]

-_-

[chilly ember]

Yea 12 minutes later on Goldeneye, no gameplay but the banging dam tune is still playing

[inner plume]

So far I got past Peach's Castle and am behind Goomba Village, no crash

[chilly ember]

Loads multiplayer music too

Oooohhhh guess they're random crashes then

Save as much as possible

[inner plume]

Also noticed perpetual error code on screen (first 0000020 once the save files display, switches to 0000820 during the castle sequence but didn't notice exactly when), but not affecting gameplay

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/WFtrn4vvTkk?si=h7737zSivXUZqIgt

[oblique crow]

Y'all - THE GAMES BOOT, IM FREAKIN OUT

https://tenor.com/bJ9wB.gif

[fair stump]

Gonna try my best Robby:

KI Gold isn't good

[oblique crow]

@zinc dew OH MY GOD IM IN MYSTICAL NINJA

[fair stump]

It's awful!

[chilly ember]

Castlevania? More like castleBANia

[oblique crow]

And it's running awesome!

[chilly ember]

I prefer goemom

[inner plume]

Goemama

I gotta say it's fantastic to finally be playing Paper Mario on this. Of the TLB-required games, this is the one I have the most nostalgia for

Definitely one of my favorites on the system

[fair stump]

You don't get to decide that

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day is my most legendary N64 but I feel some of that paper mario nostalgia too

[chilly ember]

Did you ever finish conkers bad fur day?

[inner plume]

I only played Conker for about 45 minutes as a kid

[chilly ember]

You mf

[inner plume]

Hey I loved it

[chilly ember]

Hahah I'm joking :p

[latent galleon]

i don't remember if i've played paper mario

[inner plume]

My dad walked in with me jumping on the sunflower's boobs, immediately returned to the video store

So I never really played it proper till a few years ago

[chilly ember]

My mom walked in on the sunflower scene and laughed

[inner plume]

I was raised catholic

[chilly ember]

I was not raised anything

I remember before I had conkers bad fur day, I rented it and told friends how awesome it was and a friend rented it but his mom realised it was not for kids so they made him bring it back

[inner plume]

My parents were very against me playing violent or sexualized games. They weren't actually that strict about it once I was a teenager, but something like Conker or the GTA games I couldn't get away with

[oblique crow]

my very first exposure to video games was doom, i turned out f̷̈́͒i̶̚͘n̴̑͋e̸͌̂

[chilly ember]

There was a period when I was older that my mom's bf was against letting me play gta because uncle worked with kids who used it as an excuse for bad behaviour

I turned out fine too 😅😂

I had older siblings that introduced me to all the things when I was younger anyways so I was corrupted from the start anyways

[inner plume]

I swear I bought GTA Vice City like 4 times secondhand because my mom kept finding the game

[oblique crow]

after I came home with a copy of shareware doom on a floppy at like 5 after being babysat, my mom sorta gave up

[chilly ember]

What the Frick! I didn't buy that, I bought an Xbox card

[oblique crow]

i just got long talks about knowing the difference between fantasy and reality all throughout my youth

Moooooooooom its a gaaaaaaaame

[inner plume]

"No mom I don't want to take a gun to school, I know this is bad in real life"

[chilly ember]

My brother and his friend introduced me to new grounds in 2001 at the age of 7. Gta and conker was probably the more tame things I could have seen

[oblique crow]

isn't that the truth, yeesh

[inner plume]

lmao newgrounds

[oblique crow]

being the first generation to have internet really messed us up hahaha

[inner plume]

I miss those flash animations

[chilly ember]

They're all archived now at flashpoint so can't be upset they're lost

[inner plume]

😮

[chilly ember]

Pico's school got a remake and it's the nice version where everyone is friends

Still made in flash

[latent galleon]

i am friends with FDA

[chilly ember]

Who?

[latent galleon]

exactly

[inner plume]

They are friends with the Federal Department of Agriculture, duh

[oblique crow]

was about to say

I dunno but sounds important!

hahaha

[chilly ember]

Fuck dat association

[inner plume]

It's not a real association

[chilly ember]

You're not a real association

[inner plume]

There is no Federal Department of Agriculture, I made it all up

[latent galleon]

posers, all of you

[chilly ember]

😦

I need to hook up my N64 and start a new game on conkers bad fur day so I know what it feels like to be hung over

[solemn marlin]

My favorite bond mission; green

[chilly ember]

Hell yea green is my favourite too

It's greener on camera fyi and I do have a better jvc D series that ain't green on solid black screens

[solemn marlin]

Wait until you get to blue, then you'll see what gameplay really is.. so wait, perfect dark also boots then?

[chilly ember]

Perfect green is where it's at

[solemn marlin]

The xbox live version is better, love just greening with friends

[chilly ember]

Green all day everyday

[zinc dawn]

Green Eye

[chilly ember]

My one JVC D series is just the 420 edition

[solemn marlin]

A real smoker's tv, I have a jvc dt-v, that's not the same right?

[chilly ember]

Nahh you want the dmt version

[fair stump]

Hey now

[latent galleon]

🏃‍♂️

[chilly ember]

Shots fired

[inner plume]

My feelings are hurt

[solemn marlin]

Yea I do have an urge to talk to the machine elves, play some coop games

[chilly ember]

Perfect green has bots

[fair stump]

Castlevania seems like an alright game

I have fallen in a river twice now

[chilly ember]

Classic castlevania

[fair stump]

Three times

[chilly ember]

I need to play some tlb games that work instead of listening to the tunes on Goldeneye and perfect dark on my green screen

[inner plume]

Mystical Ninja and Paper Mario seem like good choices

I loaded Conker just to see it with my own eyes and yeah it's not good lmao

But it does boot

[chilly ember]

Conkers working but the ground went green, is that normal?

[inner plume]

Wait, you got that loading on your MiSTer?

[chilly ember]

No I'm joking

[inner plume]

oh lol

[oblique crow]

hahaha

[chilly ember]

Making a bad green joke

[inner plume]

fuck you 😆

[chilly ember]

😂

[inner plume]

Yeah it's super slow and ends up freezing during the N logo animation for me

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day is end game tlb for me. Goldeneye and conkers bad fur day working and nothing else matters 😄

[inner plume]

Even though I'm more stoked about Paper Mario I am stoked for when I'll be able to play Conker, too

[iron marten]

Fired it up for the first time. Apparently Chroma/Luma S-Video over analog has not been implemented yet in the N64 core. Still a black-and-white image on my crt. HDMI digital out looks great though!

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day is the best rare game on the system. In for a treat. I wish I could play it for the first time again. It did get better though as I aged and understood it tho

[inner plume]

I still haven't beaten it but my favorite part so far is the poo boss

[chilly ember]

I think there is a MikeS core somewhere but I don't know where. The component output works fine for me

[latent galleon]

github

https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

or update_all, but i just copy it over

[iron marten]

Oh I thought S-Video was built into the Mister kernel now.

[latent galleon]

cores still need to support it

it's just a few

[iron marten]

Nice, thanks, I'll grab those. Thanks!

[cerulean elk]

Spreading the gospel of Bomberman

[latent galleon]

kitrinx needs to shake a leg

[inner plume]

I should give bomberman 64 a shot, never played the single player mode before

[chilly ember]

43 degrees?!

Charbro is for real

[cold pollen]

As someone who hated super Mario RPG I actually played Paper Mario for a while and didn't mind it

[chilly ember]

I played paper mario first and I think I had a greater appreciation for how much Paper Mario borrows from it because of it

Paper Mario was called super mario 2 rpg to begin with

[prisma ivy]

I don't think I have met someone who hated that game. Why don't you like it?

[cold pollen]

Because it's agonizingly tedious

There's literally nothing fun about it lol

[chilly ember]

They almost scrapped paper mario because it didn't look good but someone concepted some paper designs and they ran with it

[prisma ivy]

I see I see.

[elfin relic]

dinierto and rpgs, name a worse pair :p

[chilly ember]

Rpg's

[cold pollen]

I resented every second I played lol

[chilly ember]

I was late on the response before you

[prisma ivy]

Save states and N64 core. Who needs em. Harrumph 😄

[chilly ember]

What's your favourite rpg?

[cold pollen]

I think I've only ever beaten one lol

[prisma ivy]

FF Mystic Quest

[latent galleon]

thousand year door is one of my absolute favorites

[prisma ivy]

Him. Not me lol

[cold pollen]

Shining Force I or II I don't remember, I borrowed it from a friend as a kid

[chilly ember]

My favourite rpg is megaman legends

[cold pollen]

I don't remember much about it other than I think I beat it

[prisma ivy]

Shining Force is a game I loved reading about in magazines and then never bothered to play it later in life when I was able

I probably should play it

[cold pollen]

I owned Dragon Warrior but couldn't figure out where to go or what to do so I never beat it

and that set the tone for all RPGs after lol

[chilly ember]

That's the fun of RPG's

Never knowing where you're supposed to go

[prisma ivy]

Unless you're playing Mystic Quest

[cold pollen]

You're right, I love owning games for decades and never beating them!

[chilly ember]

Go and talk to the same npc's 50 times

It's fun

[cold pollen]

maybe if you're a robot

[chilly ember]

Ok Mr ai

[cold pollen]

I'll train an AI to play the games for me

then tell me if I liked them

[latent galleon]

go play thousand year door, its charms are impossible to resist

[prisma ivy]

You're impossible to resist

[latent galleon]

my wife agrees

[chilly ember]

Thousand year old door does have extra charm and the is harder ish but I reccomend paper mario on N64 first. It's much more entertaining the farther you get into it

[cold pollen]

I got some ways into it

[chilly ember]

Go deeper

Giggity

[cold pollen]

hopefully I can remember what to do lol

[chilly ember]

Don't feel bad if you gotta look up a walkthrough to throw yourself back on track

[cold pollen]

I don't even remember what emulator I was using

[chilly ember]

Just don't keep looking at the walkthrough until you've spent way too much figuring out where to go

[cold pollen]

I try really hard not to use walkthroughs

[latent galleon]

dolphin!

4k!

[cold pollen]

that's not N64 lol

[chilly ember]

I am against walkthroughs until I spend 2 hours walking around because I didn't notice something obvious

[latent galleon]

oh i mean TTYD

[chilly ember]

MiSTer!

[cold pollen]

you guys told me to do the first one

[chilly ember]

240p

[cold pollen]

Same

[plush summit]

playing Majora's Mask fresh with no walkthrough is pretty hardcore

[chilly ember]

That's how I did it

Kept me busy for a long time

[plush summit]

Hell yeah brother

[chilly ember]

Back on in 2003

[cold pollen]

I'm still trying to finish OOT

Wind Waker and beyond are the only 3D zeldas I could beat

[plush summit]

@cold pollen MM will kill you lmao

[prisma ivy]

I haven't played Ocarina of Time yet in my life.

[chilly ember]

You poor man

[cold pollen]

I'm sure

[cold pollen]

Don't

it's overrated like LttP

[prisma ivy]

LttP is literally a perfect game

[cold pollen]

except that I get lost like constantly and basically have to use a walkthrough for the entire second half lol

It would be a fun game if I didn't have to do that

[prisma ivy]

Music, sound effects, gameplay, story, all fantastic

[latent galleon]

don't know if i've played that either...it's like i need a spreadsheet

[cold pollen]

I couldnt' figure out where to go even WITH a walkthrough for some of it

[plush summit]

I dont think I ever remembered beating LttP

one day

I beat Zelda 2 though

[cold pollen]

I owned Zelda 2 and for 30 years couldn't get past the final palace

because I didn't know where to go

[plush summit]

Yeah that game is NOT FRIENDLY

Save States saves it on MiSTer

[latent galleon]

i think i played it on the GBA, which is why it's hard to keep track...the handhelds added so many games

[cold pollen]

LttP?

[latent galleon]

yes

[chilly ember]

Link to the past had a port on gba

[plush summit]

Man the GBA is like 60% SNES ports

[prisma ivy]

What if they remade Zelda 2 on N64 using a game engine similar to Mischief Makers

[native mesa]

And all of them at the wrong aspect ratio 🤮

[chilly ember]

What if they remade goblin deez on the same engine as Kirby 64

[prisma ivy]

Or bad music like FFIV

[plush summit]

If the GBA had 4 face buttons, would've been even more amazing

[native mesa]

Yeah GBA could have been so much better

[prisma ivy]

We have the technology

[native mesa]

There are very few audio correction ports

[prisma ivy]

But then it wouldn't be a proper GBA anymore

[native mesa]

And that doesn't fix the low bitrate samples

[prisma ivy]

Is it a sound hardware issue?

[native mesa]

Mixing had to be done in software

It's a mixed bag

[prisma ivy]

Mixed bag... Lol

[latent galleon]

i am grateful the GBA existed, there was really nothing like it at the time

[prisma ivy]

I'm having a brain fart... Was there any GBA->N64 connectivity?

[plush summit]

nah

[native mesa]

Not til gamecube

[prisma ivy]

More of a GameCube thing eh

Ah

[plush summit]

yee

[prisma ivy]

I wish there was more Gameboy connecting sillyness with the N64

More than just Pokemans

[native mesa]

I think there are some prototypes

[plush summit]

Yeah, it was early testing stuff, nothing concrete

[prisma ivy]

Connect Donkey Kong 94 to the N64 and make Donkey Kong 64 a good game

[plush summit]

UGH

[oblique crow]

There was a WideBoy Advanced wasn't there?

[plush summit]

DK GB was too good

[prisma ivy]

So so so good

I feel like busting out the GB pocket light and playing it

[plush summit]

That game aged so well

[oblique crow]

give em whatever crap you want, I do love my Analogue Pocket

[native mesa]

https://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/GBA_Wideboy.htm

[oblique crow]

yup there it is

[prisma ivy]

What game on the N64 has aged well?

[oblique crow]

The envy of all

[plush summit]

im talking about DK GB

[oblique crow]

I think SM64 has aged flawlessly

[prisma ivy]

Oh yes I know

[cold pollen]

don't lie

don't cover for that game

[plush summit]

SM64 is a mixed bag

[prisma ivy]

I was just wondering your opinion on which game aged well on the N64

[oblique crow]

yall what other n64 game besides PD/Goldeneye has such a dedicated speedrun community

[cold pollen]

Basically all 3D mario games fuck you in the camera department in one way or another

[prisma ivy]

I don't know if any of the N64 games I played as a kid aged well

[cold pollen]

I don't know why lol

[plush summit]

I still think both Zeldas on 64 are pretty top notch

[stone pilot]

Odyssey's fine

[oblique crow]

OoT and MM aged great too yeah

[cold pollen]

I'm sure it fucks you too I just don't remember

[prisma ivy]

Does Wonder Project J 2 still hold up?

[plush summit]

MM even more, that game was REAL af

[oblique crow]

MM gave me nightmares

[native mesa]

Diddy Kong racing is good

[prisma ivy]

I feel like any 3D game on the N64 has not aged well

[cold pollen]

Nintendo doesn't let you just set what camera you want for Mario

[cold pollen]

Mario Kart

[plush summit]

F-Zero X

[prisma ivy]

F Zero X has got a great sense of speed I admit

[oblique crow]

I'm gonna say the controversial thing

Goldeneye still holds up

[native mesa]

Lack of 3rd party support really hurt

[plush summit]

I think the rock solid framerate sealed the deal, kept you engaged

[cold pollen]

Goldeneye might hold up with better controls

[oblique crow]

you say that but... ever tried to play goldeneye with dual sticks?

Doesn't ... feel right

Mouse & Keyboard it feels great

[prisma ivy]

I would still play multiplayer Goldeneye with my friends. It would probably be enjoyable to me because I haven't kept up with FPS

[cold pollen]

I've only played Goldeneye for 5 mins with original controls

it made me ill

[plush summit]

I think Banjo holds up too

[cold pollen]

I'd be willing to try it on Xbox with the modern controls

[hollow badger]

Does the N64YC build not work in composite?

[chilly ember]

You disgust me

[cold pollen]

k

I didn't own an N64 or have friends when it existed in the wild

it was that game that people with friends played

[chilly ember]

I'm kidding

[cold pollen]

like Smash Bros. later

and Halo

[hollow badger]

Only getting black and white when a game is loaded

[cold pollen]

and lots of games I missed out on

[chilly ember]

Apparently I missed out on goemon because everyone here is serious about it but I thought it was just some weeby game

[cold pollen]

I missed out on them all cause I didn't have an N64!

[prisma ivy]

I didn't have a... Cpak? I'm bad with the terminology. The memory card lol. So I didn't enjoy Goemon when I rented it

[prisma ivy]

And nothing of value was lost

[plush summit]

The CPak was so bullshit lol

[cold pollen]

not really true cause I did play Mario 64 and KI Gold at my cousin's one time

[chilly ember]

We had a N64 but had to rent! And I lived in a small town without a blockbuster and that selection sucked

[cold pollen]

yeah I think we rented KI Gold

[prisma ivy]

I had to drive 30 minutes a few towns over to rent it 😄

[hollow badger]

Other cores work in composite though so I assume the YC version of the N64 core is just for s video but thought I'd ask here.

(I rented Mystical Ninja starring Goemon when I was a kid. Loved it but didn't have a memory pack so I just kept my 64 on the whole time I rented it.)

[chilly ember]

Yuck we had a "theatre" that had rentals but the selection was poor

[plush summit]

@hollow badger might have to run a search on CRT support, I don't think anyone has answers now

[prisma ivy]

Do you recall how much it was to rent a game? Our store was $2.50 CAD a night

[chilly ember]

It was maybe 5 from what I can recall

Canadian

[prisma ivy]

Ah

[worn delta]

GoldenEye is probably one of those games where you had to be there. It was also such a big thing for people because the film has been a grand return of James Bond after essentially being in the wilderness for many years, so being able to play a game of a film that had such a big cultural impact and at the time was so cool, made it even more special.

[mossy vector]

$5 for 2 games for "3 days". Meaning return it 2 days from now before close.

[chilly ember]

The theatre was cool tho, they had popcorn and concessions at prices that made sense. I was confused when I moved away and that popcorn was 4 times the price

[oblique crow]

it was magical to me as a kid

[worn delta]

I will never forget seeing the film in the cinema when I was about 11, and seeing the scene of him riding the bike off the cliff chasing the plane at the start on the big screen... Will never forget that.

[prisma ivy]

I have a special memory of playing GoldenEye all night until the sun came up at my cousin's house. We slept in the same bed head to toe. He fell asleep before I did and I just kept going. I was in a trance and running on fumes plus Pepsi and chips. I get warm fuzzy feelings when I think about that night

[plush summit]

take us back

gaming isnt cool anymore

[chilly ember]

We used to rent conkers bad fur day and play the multiplayer, I'd player with my older brother and his friends, I'd have been 6 and they were 13

[upper quail]

https://x.com/famitsu/status/1727151209994502220?s=20 "great" timing

[chilly ember]

It was great. No one plays multiplayer on conkers bad fur day

It has some good modes for the time

Heist was fun

[hollow badger]

That's all we did growing up. In fact I'm just now getting into the 1p mode of it after all these years.

[prisma ivy]

Gaming these days doesn't have that magic it did when we were kids. No matter how much I try and recreate it

[chilly ember]

You're in for so much, you don't even know. If you can understand all the references

[chilly ember]

You can't get multiple people who can enjoy playing jank Goldeneye these days

[plush summit]

Im just burnt out by being reminded to keep throwing money at an already full priced game and just plain lazy design now

[dusty tusk]

A challenger emerges...

[chilly ember]

Jet farce gemini? 😮

9 days for Robert to make jet force gemini work before Nintendo? I'm okay with conker before that 😉

[prisma ivy]

Remember when someone pointed out the mouth/gun on the artwork for Goldeneye?

[chilly ember]

Happens all the time

[ocean lily]

I mean, given how shit the emulation has been on nso, whatever the core does will be more accurate

[stone pilot]

Hasn't it gotten better since the initial complaints?

[chilly ember]

With Zelda

Apparently

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, it got better, I'd say it's not the worst thing ever right now

[chilly ember]

Xbox 360 had Xbox emulation and that is still shit

I know it's Nintendo :p

[ocean lily]

i don't get why the xbox is so hard to emulate properly - it's literally an off the shelf pc

[chilly ember]

Basically

[ocean lily]

it's a p3 era celeron with a geforce 3, how hard can it be?

[elfin relic]

apparently the GPU was also the Northbridge, or maybe the other way around

so that sounds pretty wonk

this is an old post that's floating around the internet from the cxbx dev on why "it's just a pc" doesn't track
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-is-the-xbox-so-hard-to-emulate.757316/post-98302187

[storm vessel]

Working? Completeable? 😮

[zinc dew]

barely working, very slow framerate

Didn’t get past the intro

[chilly ember]

noob

[stone pilot]

well yeah, he shoots you and all

[storm vessel]

Hah true

[inner plume]

Paper Mario seems to be working through Chapter 1, only thing I've noticed is the occasional flickery texture and some seemingly-benign error codes

[orchid nimbus]

I played Paper Mario 64 for an hour - no issues what so ever

I think the flickering text is correct with the 'stars' that talk to him and the text they produce

but I'm not too familiar with the whole game

but seriously.... the core is better than any n64 emulator has been for the first 20 years

[inner plume]

Welp, I just hit a crash using the Thunder Bolt lol, couldn't see the error overlay due to overscan on my CRT

Funny thing is, using it after resetting and loading worked fine

[wanton sun]

unfortunatly that's not funny but sad. If it would have crashes reproducible, it would be better

but the intro is reproducible, so hopefully enough

[inner plume]

If it happens again I'll take a pic of the in-game crash information

[restive anchor]

Paper Mario is one of the best n64 games, so I imagine it will get enough testing to reproduce every bug many times

[wanton sun]

most important with crashes is if bit 6 is set (e.g. E..40 or 60) and if the sound keeps playing

because if the sound keeps playing, it means that CPU and RSP are still alive and the issue is e.g. RDP hanging, while bit 6 is a CPU exception that is 99% non-recoverable, but i can trigger on it and sometimes can see what the cause is

but currently, i will not debug games. First i want to complete the TLB stuff

[orchid nimbus]

I am surprised how up to date it still looks

[lament escarp]

Been waiting for 20 years to play the first paper mario before playing any of the other.

[restive anchor]

The Wii store version was pretty good tbh

[hollow rune]

But unlink Legacy of Kain, it really doesn't matter

I still haven't played Thousand Year Door, Sticker Star, the Wii U one

I did a lot of Super

[vapid hawk]

do the paper marios have like an ongoing story? i always thought they were kind of unrelated to each other

[hollow rune]

They do not.

Also the Switch one is the best one!

[restive anchor]

The Wii one wasn’t even the same genre

It used the paper looks but was basically a platformer

[hollow rune]

2 are RPGS, one is an adventure platformer, 2 are deck games, and 1 is mostly an adventure game

[vapid hawk]

i really need to finish luigis mansion2 on switch

i was really enjoying it, put it down for a few days, now i can't remember what i was doing and i'm stuck lol

[hollow rune]

Luckily the chapters are pretty short so if you just start one over it isn't too bad

[vapid hawk]

oh, that didn't even occur to me, good idea

[lament escarp]

I'll wait to play them in order, with a bit of luck I'll get to play them in 4k on Christmas. 🥰

[thorn flax]

not to continue derailing the n64 chat,
just gotta add that Thousand Year Door was so good that it, when combined with Metroid Prime, sold me on the Gamecube after the end of the Dreamcast.

[zealous hull]

Paper Mario 64 is my second favorite game of all time.

And--counting the randomizer--probably the game I have spent the most time playing in my life.

I probably beat a randomized game weekly.

So this is pretty exciting for me.

[thorn flax]

I meant to play thru the original on wii virtual console years back.

think I made it to chapter 2 but a career derailment at the time got between me and finishing the game.

I did like what I saw, it just felt like TTYD was it's natural evolution

[zealous hull]

TTYD is objectively a better game, I think. A perfect sequel.

[thorn flax]

gonna fire it up the original on MiSTer in a bit after a quick walk

[zealous hull]

I hope you have as much fun with it as I have today. 🙂

Between this and the SMRPG remake and the TTYD remake coming out. Mario RPG fans are eating good.

[oblique remnant]

I remember quitting Paper Mario 64 quiet early in the mid '00. Just not my cup of tea. I also have a hard time with mario rpg

[mossy vector]

I think the cutesy art wasn't to my tastes at the time either. I was into extreme sports and ECW backyard wrestling. I also was happy Link "finally grew up" in OOT. Needless to say wind waker was insulting enough to completely shun Nintendo until the Wii era.

Obviously tastes change but that was my attitude at the time.

[chilly ember]

dude these graphics suck

Why does link look like a anime b******

[mossy vector]

Heh. More like Muppet Babies or Rugrats but yeah.

[chilly ember]

Gamecube sucks, the only gta game it got was Simpsons hit n run

[mossy vector]

No women of the night on my child's purple school lunchbox.

No connection to that nasty Internet

[chilly ember]

you bought your child a purple lunch box?

[mossy vector]

It's not purple it's indigo

[weary beacon]

Ah nice to see goldeneye finally booting with the core (OK completely unplayable at the moment) but massive progress. Goldeneye is a game I want to play (yes before anyone says anything) i've never played it but heard it's one of the best N64 games out there

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/OAKltJztaf8

60 fps mario works for me now 🙂

[restive anchor]

idk, that looks like 49fps mario to me

[weary palm]

true

[zenith orchid]

It's so nice not needing a prepatched sm64 just to get ingame

don't have to worry about making sure the no-face patch plays nicely with other patches

[hollow rune]

Where is the patch for this?

[weary palm]

I can make one

[daring meteor]

PAL Mario

[chrome quest]

Does Kaze have a place for patches? Are they behind Patreon, or some website?
I've found some publicly off their YouTube posts but not for all mods

[weary palm]

Here are quite a few, under "Downloads" https://romhacking.com/user/Kaze

Return to Yoshi's Island (Demo)

aw, I took a ss just as Mario blinked. Crud.

Very impressive. The full game is going to be insane-o.

[lament escarp]

I really wonder what robert is cooking today 🤤

[weary palm]

Curry und Reis.

[loud pebble]

No beans?

[mortal panther]

Probably validating potential candidates for release, trying to pick the best one.
Maybe the 007th one will be the winner.

[weary palm]

For England, James?

[loud pebble]

There could be a clue in the fact that Sean Bean's name has the word BEAN in it and I think he said he likes beans so.....

[lament escarp]

Lecker. 😄

[chrome quest]

Thanks for the link. Couldn't see 60fps one at a first glance, but there sure are a lot of mods there!

[weary palm]

The 60 fps version I got I compiled from https://github.com/FazanaJ/ultrasm64/tree/m%26m's

[iron marten]

This is what finally prompted me to download the N64 core yesterday. So far I've thrown about 12 games at it and has loaded everything xcept for Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine.

[iron marten]

If you're under 30, you may want to consider playing the port on Xbox. The control scheme on the N64 version will be a challenge at first

[wet canyon]

Has anybody had luck transferring save files between this core and retroarch? Specifically the Zelda games?
With other systems I only have to change .sav to .srm, that doesn't seem to work with the n64 games.

[mortal panther]

That's the version I was playing for the longest time, until I encountered this strangeness in Jolly Roger Bay.
#1096015979055697940 message

It otherwise ran great.

I ended up just renaming the .sav to match the plain vanilla ROM and continued from there. 🙂

[weary palm]

will try to recreate

has some funny culling issues on wide-screen

[blissful plaza]

https://savefileconverter.com/#/mister

That should do the trick.

[wet canyon]

Looked there, no N64 option for that converter

Or will the everdrive converter work?

[weary palm]

Don't seem to be able to recrate it with my build

[zinc dew]

Thank You

To everyone who tests games, find bugs, and reports on them; y’all are awesome. You’re helping make the core great for everyone and you’re making this place fun for everyone. Thank you for being here!

[neat sierra]

^ Thanks giving

[quaint pewter]

If TLB is being added does that mean that all bug got fixed, or the glaring ones at least? I'm guessing Shiren saving didn't get fixed though. lol. Even if Robert stopped working on the core right now it's in a great place for a lot of great games. 🙂

[daring meteor]

Most of the remaining stuff is minor compared to TLB, and Robert was recently working on CPU

[neat sierra]

I’m gonna do one: N64 doesn’t have a lot of great games, but it does have a lot of great people who love it. Keep on playing with power ya filthy animals. ❤️🍁🇨🇦🦃☠️🍗.

[worn delta]

The one interesting thing is that it doesn't feel like the games that are running have a lot of bugs in them. Hopefully after Robert has finished adding in all the remaining missing features and getting the CPU running as it should there may not be too many game specific bugs that need to be squashed. I'm taking it as a sign of how accurate Robert's work is, as the more accurate it is to OG hardware then the less bugs there will be.

[daring meteor]

A lot of games that are running used the TLB in a pretty dumb way through

[worn delta]

-I should have specified I was talkig about the non-TLB games, TLB seems it's own beast Robert is slaying

Hopefully it is the case where by if the core can pass all the TLB system tests then the TLB games will all run

[daring meteor]

Doesn't it pass just with horrible timings?

[cerulean elk]

Yes there don’t seem to be any glaring issues lately. Played an hour or CV last night. I didn’t notice much of anything outside of the norm

[hearty python]

There is some Cache missing. I guess speed will get better soon 😁

[hearty python]

Don’t think so, last post I read was about 40% of TLB was done.

[daring meteor]

As in, TLB isn't done, but I think it passes the tests

[hearty python]

I hope you are not right, cause this would mean a lot of manual test work…

[zinc dew]

It’s a cool game, only played 10 minutes and stopped at the first save crystal.

[cerulean elk]

It gets a lot better once you get inside the castle proper

Admittedly the intro outdoor areas are the weakest in the game and not a great representation of the game as a whole

[zinc dew]

My friend warned me about some section where you carry nitro? Can’t jump?

[cerulean elk]

yeahhhhh....good luck with that!

there are def some questionable decisions from a design perspective. Not many but the nitro is on the list

its like having stomach problems and trying to find a bathroom but you have to waddle walk carefully and one wrong move....DISASTER 🤣

[orchid nimbus]

I played some CV (not sure which one) yesterday.... it wasn't as bad as I misremembered it

[rich warren]

jump pretend you're doing a Mario 64 no jump challenge

[drowsy lantern]

I remember my first time renting Castlevania 64, getting to the backyard area, and getting obliterated by the chainsaw guy (or whatever it is). Then trying to fight it in vain, and thinking "well, that's cheap". And returning the game. It's only some time later that I read that you're actually supposed to run away from them, and thought "Well duh, how was I supposed to know I'm not meant to fight it?". Trying the game again, and still thinking "You know, running around in a tight maze trying to escape while insta-kill monsters chase you still isn't my idea of fun."

[orchid nimbus]

mine neither

it's CASTLEVANIA not BackYardVania

[daring meteor]

Citadelvania

[drowsy lantern]

I get that companies were new to 3D, but geez man. What shocked me is when Legacy of Darkness came, and it was heralded by publication as being the one that fixes the first game and makes it what it should have been. And yet it feels like they didn't even a change a single line of code in the area that would have needed it the most: the controls and camera.

[fair stump]

I gotta know, why does everyone feel the need to add 64 to the title of the game?

Also, don't people do the same with superman?

[rich warren]

Super Nintendo ... Nintendo 64

[orchid nimbus]

marketing

[drowsy lantern]

Because there already existed a game called "Castlevania", so it was an efficient way to differentiate it. And also because every single other game on the system had 64 in the title.

[orchid nimbus]

same as most Super Nintendo titles started with Super

[fair stump]

But kirby literally has kirby 64 as the title

Castlevania doesnt

[rich warren]

Kirby SUPER Star

[orchid nimbus]

Super Castlevania 64

[drowsy lantern]

Even if Kirby 64 didn't have 64 in the title, people would've called it Kirby 64.

[orchid nimbus]

In today's marketing environment it would be called: Super Castlevania 64 Zero Ex Defenite Edition Deluxe

[drowsy lantern]

Unless it had a differentiating word of some like, like Yoshi's Story. No one says Yoshi's Story 64 because there's no other game called Yoshi's Story and there's no chance you'll mistake it for another.

[fair stump]

The superman box doesn't even have a title on the front 😆

[orchid nimbus]

it's has the raw Alpha Male power?

[weary perch]

just call it Akumajou Dracula Mokushiroku: Real Action Adventure to remove all doubt

[oblique remnant]

Legend of Cornell

[orchid nimbus]

Employee 1 :"we made an awesome 3D adventure on the N64 - one of the first.. what shall we call it"
Employee 2:"Quest 64"
Employee 1:"but.........."

[mortal panther]

HMC64

[orchid nimbus]

Marketing

Same Energy

which reminds me of this one 😄 (Yes I know it's a SNES game... but I love how they used Steve Martin who actually play banjo)

[mild ether]

Is that a Steve Martin Sega Master System game?

[fair stump]

I'm not seeing any castlevania marketing that calls it castlevania 64

[orchid nimbus]

Super Castlevania 64 Zero Ex Defenite Deluxe Edition

[fair stump]

Just turns out it's a fan name

[compact skiff]

It's just easier than saying Castlevania for the N64.

[knotty zealot]

azum "it can take a while"

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[zinc dew]

Because if you use the proper title no one knows if you’re referencing the original NES game or the Nintendo 64 game. I do agree it’s silly but I understand why.

It’s like DOOM (2016) and DOOM. Very silly I need to do that, thanks marketing department.

[knotty zealot]

very silly you had to create doom eternal too. thanks... you.

even amidst hate, i play your game. i made it five levels in.

it was alright up until that part and then i was like "christ.. robby made this" and quit

for christmas i wish for a good doom game

[fair stump]

This is why people saying new products should remove numbering and go back to a base name like "xbox" has always sounded silly to me

[cerulean elk]

just call the next one Doom'er

[zinc dew]

Ok you need to play, call me over discord, and I’ll do commentary.

[cerulean elk]

then Doom'est

[zinc dew]

it’ll be just you absolutely trolling me while I try to remember the shit we did and why

[knotty zealot]

i can't. I CAN'T!

[zinc dew]

no no, I will support you

[knotty zealot]

"the real story behind doom eternal"

[wanton sun]

Yes, the last core already passes all 32bit TLB n64-systemtests

[zinc dew]

Incredible!

[daring meteor]

Very nice

[cerulean elk]

awesome!

[wanton sun]

made some progress today with the intruction cache being used with tlb, but it's not stable yet

[fair stump]

Does anyone know if this is more glitchy than previous builds? The option menu has always had issues but I don't remember others like this

[knotty zealot]

i had to scroll through forty pages to get to the bottom of discord. i figured tlb was on the prowl.

[daring meteor]

Very nice, is it more of a speedup than minitlb?

[wanton sun]

i have both

[cerulean elk]

feel free to release that core after turkey day 🤣

[wanton sun]

minitlb is only 1 entry for now, but it can execute 1 instruction per cycle even with tlb

no release, it randomly crashes

[daring meteor]

What's the speed of it

As in like

The slacks

[mortal panther]

I don't think there would be any confusion. If you simply mentioned having fond memories of playing Castlevania, no one would think you were referring to the Nintendo 64 version.

[zinc dew]

Sorry, I know I’m a broken record. We love you man. This core is above and beyond and your greatest achievement. Thank you!!

Well second greatest, your family is your greatest achievement!

Haha

[wanton sun]

1.6 - 2.6ns

[daring meteor]

Excellent news haha

[knotty zealot]

1.6 slacks?

[vapid hawk]

wow awesome

[cerulean elk]

Stop. Were all gonna get diabetes from your messages

[zinc dew]

aaaaarg harsh but true lmao

[mortal panther]

(probably because they think the N64 version is called Castlevania 64) 😏

[zinc dew]

lmao also true

[zinc dew]

I know, you’re right. I probably overdo it but those comments are genuine. It’s really pretty special we all get to partake and cheer him on.

Someone is going to tell me to f-off one day though lol.

Then I’ll BAN HIM AHAHAHA

[cerulean elk]

haha I am just messing with you. I appreciate the positivity

[zinc dew]

HOLY SHIT

[small scroll]

Is there a widescreen toggle to play, for example, a rom hack that gives a game widescreen support? Couldn't find the toggle so perhas I'm missing something.

[knotty zealot]

is that quest 64

[wanton sun]

it runs well until it doesn't 🤣

[mortal panther]

Dude...

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s under video options

[cerulean elk]

some say the N is still up there floating till this day

[knotty zealot]

robert, send me the latest core nobody else has access to

let us bask in the glory of this shitty hardware

[small scroll]

The Aspect Ratio option? (Full Screen?)

[daring meteor]

Robert: It'll take me a week

Robert 1 day later:

[zinc dew]

I actually would love to see @knotty zealot trolling with FOMO. God it would make people so angry lmao.

[mortal panther]

Like the Universal logo.

[vapid hawk]

it actually did take a week he just folds time with his mind

[wanton sun]

finding these random crashes can take a while. I might even have to rewrite stuff, so it doesn't say much yet

[knotty zealot]

who better to officially test goldeneye BUT ME

[vapid hawk]

and its still at full clockspeed?

[wanton sun]

yes

[vapid hawk]

amazing

[zinc dew]

I unironically agree

[zinc dew]

you’re at full clock speed

[knotty zealot]

i agree with your agreement

[vapid hawk]

terrasic should do a case study on this core 😄

[mortal panther]

Dunno... didn't he get shot while sitting on the toilet?

[knotty zealot]

terasic HAVE done a case study on the core and they concluded they'll make a better board for ten times the price

[zinc dew]

I would be very confused if I were Terasic. Without question the bleeding edge development for their board is from the MiSTer but they had zero intention to even explore that market lmao

You can’t ignore it and you can’t exactly pivot to it. Must be an odd scenario for them.

[knotty zealot]

watch them release their next powerful board at 1200usd and the mister community responding with a half-assed "yay"

cheap'n easy

[zinc dew]

A low price point is extremely important, that’s opening the door for so many more people to enjoy

but I understand a high price point to do more

It’s a balancing act

[mild ether]

I bet some of the price increases were because of MiSTer.

[topaz otter]

The de10 sales are like a thimble full of water compared to their other sales which is the ocean

[vapid hawk]

its probably a nice bit of revenue diversification for them, not much more

[cerulean elk]

Announced 1/15/2024: Terasic DE69 MAXO....690k LE's, twice the satisfaction

(sorry...couldnt help myself. I am over here fighting with a USB device that constantly disconnects...angry)

[topaz otter]

It's really a loss leader for you to get familiar with terasocs products and learn on it

[vapid hawk]

690k LE's @ 420mhz and i'm in

[topaz otter]

Then when you get to be an engineer at supercorp you buy terasic products

[cerulean elk]

I swear my USB bus is as stable as @zinc dew

[topaz otter]

Also isn't this company subsidized by intel

[knotty zealot]

y'all need to STOP with the vinyards

stop plucking wineberries

[zinc dew]

is that good or bad? lol

[cerulean elk]

in this instance bad lol

I am dumping four undumped 3DO M2 discs to upload and release for Friday after thanksgiving but my drive keeps disconnecting randomly...took a 20 minute project and its now past an hour

nothing is ever "quick" I swear

[topaz otter]

also if you think about it, community members like robert succeed at making amazing things despite the De-10 nano's limitations

if terasic were to make a board specifically for mister what features exactly would it even have

how much would it cost

[wanton sun]

i would rather work on hardware that is faster than what i bought 15 years ago for a university project, but what's the point if noone will use it?

[plush summit]

Depends, Intel clearly sees that the MiSTer/Analogue is providing them big business for FPGAs

[worn delta]

Well hopefully we will have a more powerful and similarly low priced successor to the DE-10 nano in the not too distant future the MiSTer project can also support 🙂

[topaz otter]

I mean its aimed at the educational market right

its aimed at learning fpga development

[plush summit]

Yeah, ideally, they should push another incremental board to replace the DE-10 eventually

[topaz otter]

they aren't going to let that market share slip

[worn delta]

My understanding is Terasic appreciate the MiSTer project, and it has gotten people into FPGA development which is a goal

[cerulean elk]

always better to work on constrained hardware that people can afford vs state of the art hardware that 10 people can afford

[hexed knot]

I'd be curious to see how trivial it is, if at all, to "port" existing MiSTer/Analogue cores to future, higher powered FPGA devices. I don't know how much work has been performed along those lines for things as complex as the cores we have now.

[plush summit]

If I were to guess, the next board would probably be a bit more money than the current DE-10, but not unobtainable (<$500)

[cerulean elk]

I have a porting vid Friday bout that exact topic

diff toolchains for diff FPGA chips, porting, etc

[worn delta]

Anyways I think we are getting a bit off topic here

[hexed knot]

I shall watch that.

[topaz otter]

I think the thing is that more fpga power means people will try to make cores out of more powerful machines

[plush summit]

yeah move it to https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737505421148815380 y'all

[topaz otter]

so someone tries to make a core out of the OG xbox and runs into the same limits on the new fpga as the N64 on the old fpga

[wanton sun]

cyclone 5 struggles with 100Mhz when logic gets more complex, fastest FPGAs available struggle at 400mhz with complex logic. So i don't see xbox any time soon

[vapid hawk]

it also has like, some pretty intense DSPs to do stuff like realtime dolby-digital 5.1 encoding

[cerulean elk]

a common question I get..."GameCube/Xbox/PS2 when"....ten years from now maybe if we are lucky lol

[odd vector]

but is there a chance for DC?

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[wanton sun]

ps2 would be possible for a company with budget today, but for hobby...very hard. By the time it's done, the hardware might be outdated

gamecube and xbox have too high clocks

[cerulean elk]

Fixel is a smart dude...so why not

[red blade]

Pretty sure they said that about N64! :p

[drowsy lantern]

Even MiSTer as it stands is seen as too expensive by many folks. I've shown off my MiSTer to many friends who are extremely ethusiastic about retro games, but when I tell them about the price, they go "oof, no."

[eternal ravine]

Some people are lost forever

[cerulean elk]

I tell people "MiSTer is not CHEAP, but the value proposition makes it extremely economical"

[eternal ravine]

Do The Math

[neat sierra]

Sever ties we are your friends now

[red blade]

Slice up the value propostion of MiSTer vs og hardware modded or not and soon becomes apparent.

[cerulean elk]

I do keep in mind though not everyone stupidly drops $500+ on the next fun gadget like we do

[hollow rune]

When my dad tells people at work they kind of just listen to him to humor him. Only one person who was a big C64 fan was interested

Even his friends do that

[stuck summit]

It's only people that have gone down the deep end of the rabbit hole that can appreciate how cost effective a MiSTer actually is

[eternal ravine]

I only ever dipped a few toes into the world of RGB scart
And that was enough

[storm parrot]

I remember when DE10 Nanos were only $99

[vapid hawk]

the great thing is we have so many options for people to play old games now. from RPi and mini-consoles up to misterfpga and HDMI mods for practically every console

[oblique crow]

I got my DE10 Nano for 110$ from amazon

[stuck summit]

I got in when they were $120 or so

[oblique crow]

then lost it

[hollow rune]

I think you have to first be into emulation and old games a lot, but also too you have to like have a sense of why some solutions aren't good enough

[oblique crow]

I was building my first mister piece-meal, forgot about it, then lost it, then just said screw it and bought a full kit from MisterAddons

😄

[drowsy lantern]

Thing is: For them a retropie is much cheaper and will play anything MiSTer does, and then some. The accuracy and lack of input lag is not something that matters enough to them.

[plush summit]

If its too expensive, then they're not enthusiasts lmao

[vapid hawk]

the new rpi5 has enough grunt to do pretty accurate emulation too

[stone pilot]

The value proposition depends on how picky you are. For some people, everything MiSTer "does" can be done by a Raspberry Pi, or by their existing computer

[worn delta]

I think we are getting a bit too far off topic gang

[mild ether]

The type of person that won't buy FPGA because of the price are the type of people who wouldn't likely know the difference between playing on a Pi vs FPGA. It's fair they wouldn't want to spend the money.

[eternal ravine]

pi5 seems adequate, but how long have we been using MiSTer already

Years, I tell you

[cerulean elk]

my stupid Pi 5 is STILL backordered and I ordered hour 1

annoying

[plush summit]

@worn delta cut em off 😂

[vapid hawk]

i think more people are migrating from real hardware setups with scalers to mister than migrating from retropi type setups to mister

[mild ether]

Really not trying to say Pi is bad just that people who want FPGA stuff are small details oriented.

[worn delta]

This is the N64 chat, please take hardware chat to the relevant channel

[plush summit]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737505421148815380

[mild ether]

When running the N64 core on the FPGA of course.

[drowsy lantern]

Okay let me rephrase: Thing is: For them a retropie is much cheaper and will play any N64 game MiSTer does, and then some. The accuracy and lack of input lag in the N64 core is not something that matters enough to them 64. 64 64 64. We good?

[oblique crow]

So, bout that N64

ahem

[vapid hawk]

this is what happens when there's no build today 😄

[oblique crow]

👀

[worn delta]

So, now Mario Tennis is working has anyone tried the mini games you can play using the Transfer Pak to unlock new courts in the main game?

[oblique crow]

HES TYPING

[wanton sun]

only 10 more games playable in the last 3 days and you are already bored? 😛

[oblique crow]

SHHHH

[kind solar]

I’m still working on completing turok so I can mark it but unfortunately I suck

[fair stump]

How's the graph looking? Any noticeable drops in the no boots?

[cerulean elk]

Nobody actually PLAYS the games lol. We just wait to see if they work or not...then get excited about the next shiny thing

retro gaming curse of "hmm what else could I do" 🤣

[marble totem]

I'm struggling with a save file for No Mercy. I have a .srm save which I think came from Retroarch. I was able to convert it to a .fla, which is a 131K flash save. The n64 core is creating 262K .sav files though.

The mister save looks to be mostly padded with 0s though. There is only about 31K of data in there... Are there any good tools to convert saves?

[oblique crow]

@zinc dew IDK who updates the list btw, but I completed Doom 64 and it still doesn't say completed 🥺

[wanton sun]

flash needs to be 128kbyte

[neat sierra]

Definitely going to actually play through Paper Mario..after the holidays..unless it’s too busy and then after the new year…

Maybe

[cerulean elk]

and thats how you never end up playing it

[mild ether]

What are games we don't know if they are completable because of difficulty?

[oblique crow]

Also do we actually know what the actual issue with Jet Force Gemini is? I actually got into gameplay by speedrunning the menus but it seems to crash after a set amount of time. I think it might actually be the anti-piracy measure kicking in. I seem to remember as a kid JFG being REALLY fussy with Gameshark

[mild ether]

I might take a crack at them over the holiday weekend.

[drowsy lantern]

That is so true of many people in this sphere. (But not me though). I remember when the SNES Classic came out, people were going crazy about modding it, adding all of the games, customizing everything, waiting for patches to ROMs so they could play on the default emulator... and then never actually playing any of them in any serious capacity. It's not about playing things, it's about having the possibility. 😛

[mild ether]

With hax.

once you get locked into a serious ROM collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

[neat sierra]

Should make a sign up sheet

Everyone has to finish their assigned game in the core

[wanton sun]

Maybe i'm the only one really playing games? I completed Mario64, mario Kart, Pokemon Stiadum and Snap, Body Harvest, 1080, WaveRace, Penny Racer, PilotWings and MRC. Currently OoT but it's long

[oblique crow]

Amen brother, I'm getting towards the end on OoT

[plush summit]

I think I'll be the one completing Majora's Mask soon, currently at the last Temple (not all masks yet)

[mild ether]

I played a lot of Dr. Mario.

[oblique crow]

but I did DOOM 64 and no one has logged me into the annals

[wanton sun]

i mean, most of the games on the list are rather short with 2-3 hours, but still had a lot of fun

[ornate obsidian]

I havent been playing as many games as you yet, but i've done OoT 100%, Mario 120 star, Banjo Kazooie 100% so far atleast without issues

[cerulean elk]

I finished Bomberman Hero. My wife and I are going to play Paper Mario once I know its able to be completed. We are playing reverse order Paper Mario....We are on Super Paper Mario...next 1000 year door and finish with the N64 version on MiSTer

[drowsy lantern]

Same with Starfox 2. Before it was officially released on the SNES Classic, people were constantly talking about it, hoping it would one day get released, going crazy when Nintendo announced it would get released on the SNES Classic, playing it for 10 minutes and then never touching it again. Even the official thread on ResetEra died within days. Total silence.

Meanwhile, I:

[mild ether]

I will cheat to complete most of the games though if I want to finish them

Unless I really enjoy it.

[cerulean elk]

if anthing my wife finishes more games than I do. Currently half way into Talos 2

[mild ether]

Gauntlet I might actually try to beat.

[fair stump]

I did shadows of the empire, clayfighters 63 1/3, THPS, paperboy, both Sesame streets, and xena

[eternal ravine]

Clayfighter, now that's TOFTT