#Nintendo 64
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this website is interesting :O
It has a lot of mod content and an SDK for OoT and MM.
https://modloader64.com/index.html
you can play as meme sun knight
Reading this thread made me wonder the core will support the DD64.
https://fzerocentral.org/next/old-forum/view-topic?t=10290
F-Zero Central hosts time attack ladders for the F-Zero racing game series!
Okay! I have implemented CPak/TPak injection into my save utility.
Please read the usage instructions carefully: I have completely changed the process to be as straightforward as reasonably possible, with all the new features.
https://github.com/mysterypaint/MiSTer-N64-Save-Utility
This is also widely untested beyond the scope of Mario Kart 64, so please report any bugs, and make sure you have a save backup for everything before attempting to use this tool: I am not responsible for any lost/corrupted data!
MPK dumping [from] the MisterFPGA save file will come in the near future; gotta eat dinner for now
@wanton sun @weary perch (idk who else but)
oooh nice, I'm currently in the market for a solution for importing DexDrive saves. I have an issue open here regarding that.
https://github.com/bryc/mpkedit/issues/20
I'll check this out later tonight! Will let you know if anything comes of that, but expect it to take a few days
No worries, it's not a priority as I mainly wanted to explore CAWs from old ass save files lol
for the time being, it shoould be possible by converting dex .n64 to .mpk using this online tool: https://savefileconverter.com/#/n64/dexdrive (make sure you have "Controller Pak" highlighted before downloading it!)
then inject the .mpk using the most recent version of my save tool
Converts save files for retro consoles: MiSTer, GameShark (sps and gsv), PS1, N64, DexDrive, Action Replay, Retron 5, Wii Virtual Console, Sega CD, Nintendo Switch Online, emulators, and various flash cartridge formats. Decrypts PSP saves. Provides help for downloading save files, erasing cartridge saves, and copying saves to and from original h...
OK, I thought rumble would be a little gimmicky, but it really was a cool addition!
Bless you for dealing with this save situation in your spare time
don't wanna ping, but trying it right now.
got sidetracked by this. loading custom F-Zero tracks into F-Zero which I hope I'm doing correctly.
Jack 3 on N64? 😮
that's already on there
I thought that was a sony exclusive
My capturing device is working again, so I can take direct footage of the Nintendo 64 core whenever I want.
interesting, so a similar joystick reset like the n64 has. so many people send controllers back because they think they are messed up, but in reality, you just have to reset them holding L, R and Start when booting up the game/console
Or just unplug them from the original console like an og to reset the neutral position like I always did
I could have sworn that doesn't work, but you could be right, I honestly don't remember
I didn't read manuals as a kid lol. It worked
Where's the footage?
it worked
Oh, heck yeah!!
now to see what people were making back in the days
My software emulator already fulfills all n64-systemtests, so also the TLB ones. That will help with implementing it into the core.
Nice
TLB hype
what's TLB? Toblerone Ligma Boolean?
The last step is bacon because he's gonna make a video about it
First the cycle accurate Tomato, next the lle Lettuce, finally, just the raw bacon as a heat sink
Mmmm tomato grilled raw tomato bacon
you ever use cheese as the heat sink on your patty as it's on the grill?
But do we really need tlb? The core is pretty great as is
I just grill my cheese on the heatsink as is with the bacon
You're pretty great as is
😊
Do you not want to play Goldeneye? Conkers BFD? Castlevania?
Mario 10000 year bore
We can't stretch Mario's face so the core is literally useless.
Conkers bad fur day all the way. Finish it it on day one release of tlb
I must unleash the Cerebral Bore on MiSTer.
But isn't all the fun the anticipation of tlb? If it never gets added then we can keep enjoying ourselves 
That's true, in a way. Once TLB is in and debugged, that'll be it. The channel will quiet down.
Your mom will quiet down when she's down for a nap
After that, it'll be extra goodies that Robert likes to add.
Boom. Good one
You were up all last night for that one, weren't you?
Up all night with your mom 
Ooooohhhh
Sorry
Rekt
that WWF No Mercy save
I expected it to have crazy versions of certain wrestlers but it's pretty much feels like it made the game more complete.
you guys can have it too. it requires you to go to Data and clone the superstars into the cartridge side.
it's the save I made using castle's tool and the savefileconver tool by euan.
Don't mean to step on your topic, Kannibal, but I just realized...
How are we going to cartridge tilt Goldeneye???
we're gonna have to wait until the SNAC cartridge add-on gets made
Just find the relevent pins an disable them
Do FPGA cores read roms the same way? With simulated pins?
yeah, that's part of the logic code
you just gotta make sure you disable one of these and you can emulate tilting the cartridge
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I just dunk my MiSTer in the sink.
YEET
I just sunk my SiSTer in the dink
that just sounds wrong
but it feels so right
...... oh ffs
What has happened to this channel
Your mom
sorry, i'm tired and my brain makes weird things
Get a nap, mom!
will do, son
Video or it didn't happen.
Simulating the effects of cartridge tilting by corrupting ROM-to-RAM data transfers!
This uses a custom build of PJ64. You can download it here:
http://shygoo.net/pj64-tilt/pj64-tilt.zip
Source code: http://shygoo.net/pj64-tilt/pj64-tilt-source.zip
To use it, uncheck "pause emulation when window is not active" and enable the debugger in the a...
No flipping way!
want to play O.O
I am not sure exactly what is going on with this though
Like what is the emulator doing?
Do we know how much this correlates to real tilting or am I just thinking about this too much
They released the source code
I wasn’t aware of this controller. I’ve got a set of NSO and 2 pcs. 8BitDo modkits. How does input lag compare on these? And how do they feel? I prefer 2.4G, but then again those other two options feel so good. Only thing I’m missing with them is the 2.4g
It’s the best option for the core right now imo.
Not a single controller out there though (with the exception of the 8bitdo stick on a true N64 Controller PCB) seem to be able to get the values or the gate shape right though. I don't understand what is so hard about that. Brawler 64 gate is the wrong shape and values are lopsided on a lot of the controllers, 8bitdo wireless mod values are too sensitive, NSO stick is too. Honestly? The closest I've gotten has been with a GC + Gbros, and on real hardware a Raphnet + GC controller is close.
How's the Saffun fair?
It’s a regular analog stick but the core clamping fixes that
So arguably it’s terrible without the clamping lol
hahaha
The N64 NSO stick is almost perfect but Nintendo’s wireless radios could be zippier
I have two of them so I definitely intended to use them with the core
Yeah I have that issue and it’s been so annoying that I just use the Saffun now
Even with its flaws
to bad we couldn't figure out which bluetooth adapter is currently available and fixes it, because i don't have that re-pair issue at all
I don’t encounter this issue at all with the NSO. Pair it once, it’s done
Lot of us unfortunately have
It’s ok, it just means we aren’t worthy, I’m at peace with this
My re-pairing issue was solved when I switched from using a combo BT Wi-Fi (green) to separate Wi-Fi and BT dongles.
I can’t do that, I have an image to maintain
I use a separate BT dongle too, no need to re-pair my NSO controllers either, but i cant get rumble to work, i'll get some more details out on what ive tried so far at another time
Id love for the bluetooth rumble thing to work 😦
I think the kernel with the nso drivers is part of update all by now, if not you can just copy it by hand to get rumble going.
Look at these little rabbit ears tho!
how about on Brawler64 bluetooth though?
Dunno, the nso driver also works for the 8bitdo modkit since it acts like a nso controller, but has the repairing issue, no matter which bt dongle.
Brawler 64 could work the same if it has rumble on switch for n64 games and is recognized as a nso controller on switch.
Tribute64 2.4GHz Wireless Controller är en del av Retro-Bits Platinum-serie av styrenheter som är dedikerade till klassiska retro-spelkonsoler. Den är designad för användning pa N64- och USB-aktiverade enheter och har ultimat mangsidighet för alla spelgenrer. Byggd med ett analogt minne med högst...
I have one of those too - really good, except the D-pad is a little small
And can fully recommend. It works great with both a great stick and d-pad. Since its 2.4GHz there is instant sync, never have to re-pair
does it rumble?
yes
These work really good. No noticeable lag for me in the games I've played, quality is better than the price IMO, they ones I got come with both 2.4GHz and N64 adapters so you can use them with your original N64. If you want wireless and the original controller shape they are hard to beat for the price.
I have two of them. There's a chinese clone that's wired which works really well too if you have an adapter
although I think there's an USB version as well
Build quality is identical to Retrobit's, same parts pretty much. And they're very cheap on Aliexpress. A friend of mine has the USB version, he built a MiSTer yesterday so I'll ask him to test it in the core and see how it goes.
Y'all should compile a bunch of controllers and send em off the Porkshop
I like the OEM 64 controller, don't understand the hate
I have a few and always loved them, but... they're not very comfortable to me anymore. I've gotten used to the modern ones too
I got a blue transparent USB version of the retrobit. Initially had a crazy sensitive stick, but after some changes were merged with mister main, it works fantaaaastic. Absolutely love it
Got it for $10 off eBay because the previous owner opened it, hated it, then never used it again 
lol, yeah, the MiSTer core makes a lot of these controllers way better than on the actual console
same thing for actual N64 controllers. A lot of the sticks are busted these days and replacements are usually too sensitive. But they're perfect in the core
I didn't really think about the shape of them that much back in the day but they are kinda uncomfortable with old hands over long play sessions.
The only problem I have is that the stick gets slippery real easy, but you can prolly buy a grip for cheap
OEM controller is great
people don’t like them because it’s a skill issue
The problem is finding a good one
The OG stick is so much nicer to use when its not loosey goosey
Sorry I’m a gaming Adonis with strong and masculine hands that can tackle any game controller.
maybe do some hand workouts before you use an N64 controller
How can I become like you?
don’t, I don’t need the competition
Push-ups on your fingertips
@plush summit already upstaging me
What kind of chest? 😏
lol
man boobs
Never skip chest day
(that is not AI or photoshop, he has a genetic condition and is a prevalent arm wrestler)
Thems the arm wrasslers
No this is because you’ve had a lifetime of training on other objects that are the same size and length as a N64 analog stick
<Googling Burn Clinic Phone # in Robby's area cause ouch>
Savage.
Someone gotta keep him honest!
Pictured: the one person who beat Pedal Power in Mario Party 1
I switched from the combined Wifi/Bluetooth Dongle to dedicated ones. No more need to re-pair between reboots. Tested with NSO N64, NSO Genesis and NSO SNES Controllers, and some 8BitDo Bluetooth controllers. Rumble on the NSO N64 Controller also works in the core.
Lol that’s just mean @orchid nimbus
Yooooooo
why you little
I've been waiting for Vampier to make a time machine
huh what did I do?
You discovered you jumped to the wrong time
[Confused looking guy GIF (not JIF)]
You quantum lept into the wrong timeline and made me think I had to redo my 4 pm vid today 🤣
Ye I've been using the Asus BT-500 since I bought mine aswell, never had any issues
ok I have to test each track one by one so it's gonna be a while.
User error detected! 
Not that I'm aware of. 2D assets need a ton of rework unfortunately since it's anamorphic widescreen. Don't think anyone out there is willing to redo all the assets to make it work.
You could always just stretch the image for that delightful forced extra fat baby look!
.......
it means progress 😄
It means that i made 3 builds today that all had super great slack values 🙂
tlb confirmed
honestly, this rework was really helpful for keeping the CPU clock at 93mhz with the FPGA getting fuller
I imagine optimizing must feel very satisfying
Was the cpak data wrong? Huh
got a great github issue from someone who researched it with real cpaks:
it's all explained there
Huh
That's probably the best GitHub issue ticket I've ever seen.
yes, if every issue was written like this, ChatGPT could probably build the core 🙂
haha I'm really glad I made a ticket on Bryc's github <3
||all because I wanted to look at an old internet save file for WWF No Mercy||
him and euan are great! and definitely not gonna forget that castle provided a solution I was looking for!
Was just looking at today’s build. Is TLB supported now?
No
Ok
BLT is tho
tlc is supported. don't go chasin' sonic waterfalls.
I thought about removing that TLB sentence in the changelog that i post here because it could confuse. Maybe i should have
this was just a beautify change to make it nicer to work with next week
(in theory it could break games, but it really should not)
found out another nice detail today: the micro TLB used by the instruction fetch in the original mips cpu is not just a copy of 2 TLB entries, but instead even cut down to make them always 4 kbyte page size. This with further reduce the logic effort on the critical path, increasing the change to reach full clock speed with tlb
Jet Force Gemini is black screen
the unpatched? did it break?
yes the unpatched yes it breaks
already broken with last build 😦
so with the new core, we gotta make new save files? or only if we're going to be messing with the files directly?
oh ok, I'm glad I don't have anything to lose at the moment
just gonna start fresh, might as well :) thanks for your continued efforts!
not worth to start fresh, if a save worked before, nothing changes
I see :O
pulls saves out of trash
thanks @quick arch, build 23_11_12 breaks JFG, probably the PIF change for the VRU
yes, with SNAC it works
need to debug which strange pif command the game sends that makes the pif/gamepad emulation hang up
One TLB game playable by American thanksgiving lol
I've been booting up the Paper Mario rando just to mess around with it. As long as you walk slowly you can explore the opening area. Everything looks really good now. Recent updates have fixed some texture issues I was noticing.
i assume you are talking 2024, because i have it on good authority that the official schedule is one game working by Christmas.
If i was optimistic i would say 1 TLB game working on christmas would be amazing for me personally. Everything else still seems unreal
😛
lmao
Incredible.
I remember GLide really struggling with the white "walls" of the paths in Toad Town.
Earlier builds of the core did too.
But now it looks great.
hmm? how do you get there?
I used the randomizer.
So you start in this area by default.
Leaving--or even running--crashes the game.
Sorry for the confusion. 😅
clevergirl.gif...
strange that running crashes. I would not have thought that running could trigger tlb
it spawns dust particles iirc
I believe another user--hate that I forgot their name--theorized it could have something to do with an effect that gets generated.
Effects in Paper Mario are on TLB
Yep. That's why then.
So long as I crawl, I can sorta play my favorite N64 game on the core. 🥹
Ive almost showed Paper Mario beyond the intro a few times but I always dont because trying to explain "it doesnt work, except when it does, and TLB isnt here...but if you dont do X you CAN do y" just is more trouble than its worth lol
Yeah, were I in your shoes, I wouldn't even mention it until we get TLB at this point. lol
he means 1 gamecube game
yeah its just too much of a "well it doesnt work, watch it work"
Technicaly 2 gamecube games are working: AC and Cubivore. : >
war is hell.... but so is tlb
why can't i find the games compatibility list
i have FOUND IT
yes I just linked it !
it is pinned
lol
Lul
how the fuck did i not see that. i scrolled through the shit twice
as I said you are a .......
Cuz brain only sees patterns, and if you don't recognize the pattern at first your brain don't see it
oh i see. i clicked on the link and it only showed the page with the info. i see the shit at the BOTTOM
that's DUMB AS HECK FOR US DUMBERS
All right, so I start marching my way down to TLB in the N6$ Core. and I knock on her door and I say, "TLB, TLB! I gotta talk to you about Goemon!" And when I open the door, what do I find? There's not a single goddamn Goemon game in that office. There is no TLB in The N64 Core. Discord, all the Goemon games in this core don't work.
you can play bomberman instead. he kinda looks like a goemon but with a helmet?
Tlb isnt added
Tenderly Licked BBQ
I know it was a Pepe Silvia joke
TLB will never be added. It's impossible. Can't be done.
DE10 can't handle it. Not powerful enough.
Haha basically
BLT will never be added. It's impossible. Can't be done.
DE10 can't handle it. Not powerful enough.
Exactly. The DE10 can't get hot enough to cook the bacon or toast the bread
DO NOT TELL ME.. IT CAN'T BE DONE
this, putting the bacon on the Cyclone 5 as a heat sink will only warm it to ambient temperature
once these crappy systems like the n64 and saturn are out of the way, maybe the systems with the real heavy hitting titles can come around. cdi and 3do
actually, the N64 achieved something i never thought needed to be solved. Aleck64. I was just happy Vanishing Earth ran on the core. but the Aleck64 version?
Speaking of crap consoles, is there a wonderswan core?
i think there is
Better than the Lynx
And even the color. Nice
In some rare cases a game with multi platform releases, the WS Color version was legitimately better than GBA
It was even written by fpgazumspass
WonderSwan did what the GBA didn't.
also, I think N64 and GBA do have bemani games like DDR
unless GBA doesn't
For being released 10 years after the Lynx, the wonderswan hardware is kind of disappointing. But development methods greatly improved, so the games are still often better
Honestly, I really wanted a Lynx when I was a kid
I've always liked Atari graphics from the olden days
Though not 2600 era, that's just poo
I saw TLB in the notes, and was like what the darn does this all mean!?
i removed the line, i just copied the commit notes as always, but it has no value for the build
but it was fun as people lept on TLB is done
Hehehehe especially after the post I did this morning 😉
the big upgrade was having actual battery life 🙂
Ive got my Swan Crystal on my desk at all times...for some reason
Makes for good tchotchke decoration/paperweight
Such a fascinating read, it's pretty amazing he got out of his way to make this so easy to understand
Looks like he responded already
10 min to more F Zero @languid dune and then I will never show it again lol
and loose
What fraction of "no boot" is from TLB I wonder
Wow that's awesome actually
Vamps please leave me some blood
Doctor says I only have 3 pints
Amazing a little over 30games not booting
So is KI GOLD playable now?
I am still waiting for a game to possibly be playable by Christmas.
the game lets you select a character but it crashes upon trying to actually fight
Ah ok thanks for the update
same with Rakuga kids which I never heard of before
My N64 bounty:
• Star Soldier Vanishing Earth 🟢
• Killer Instinct Gold 🔴
These are the only games I never played on hardware that I care about.
[pretty sure there are other but can't remember]
Does the n64 core support line doubling yet? I'm getting 640x240
What percent of only “Boots” is TLB?
it should only be a small number of non-TLB games that merely boot
I don't think any TLB game will boot will it?
Some, like paper mario, boot and run but crash when tlb is called
Tipsy Little Baby
Super Mario 64 has TLB. It boots but crashes when it loaded the face because it uses TLB to do that.
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon will happily play the intro then freeze when starting a new game due to TLB
So basically, save states could get you around the SM64 issue if the face is the only thing that uses it
The game over screen uses the face too
There is a patch that skips past the intro screen face. If you get a game over just soft reset.
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pretty sure there is already a save state posted for that exact purpose
we can only hope
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That is no boot
I wanted to know about games that are in the “Boots” category but have TLB and that presumably prevents from being in the “Playable” category
I have a black screen on the first cutscene of Donkey Kong 64, US version.
Just a bit after King K. Rool first appears, my screen becomes black with the music still playing.
Every day we get closer to me boxing up my N64 and Retrotink...
But...Paper Mario rando continues its siren call.
And I am helpless to resist.
Anyone catch what the cpak changes did?
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Tldr it made tlb work
Damn that bryc person is awesome
I'm tellin' ya, this core is causing a shockwave
It’s pretty great being at the bleeding edge of retro gaming advancement with the literal best retro gaming hardware available.
I just love how people want this to succeed so badly
I think the secret is Robert is so passive about his development, that all the knowledge will come out the woodwork to help
I just think its cool to be surrounded by people like y'all
ALSO LOOK AT MY RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM. I AM BECOME RAM DESTROYER OF SWAP (i still have a 16GiB swap... dont yell at me)
but for real, this place cultivates good people
Straight up, I make one joke about Ura Zelda and get a master class of it for free
What’s the master class
The cool thing about this is getting to interact with the people making this stuff though, even if just in passing.
Getting to see Robert do his thing in real time - 
So apparently Ura Zelda was eventually scrapped and split among OOT, MM and Master Quest
which makes sense because assets are found among those three
Weird
My secret weapon is knowing that Miyamoto forgets a lot so the whole thing about it being completed might be wrong
Miyamoto is a dirty old man
This is second hand knowledge but apparently he is super raunchy and has a lot of crass jokes lol
Not surprised at all, them creative types be like that
whoa, new Portal 64 release performs much better on the core
Anyone know what save type Portal 64 should be set to?
That's a b/w WS game, no color BM on WonderSwan. There where 3 beatmania games on GBC. GBC also got DDR.
Miyamoto getting me-too'd would be troubling
That’ll never happen
yeah I know GBC got beatmanias
but GBA got nothing
GBC even got Pop'n I think
Because he is a decent man who wouldn't do something like that or because of japanese culture?
he’s like your grandma. You can’t see her doing wrong can you ?
Japanese men clearly like a good amount of jiggle. God bless them.
Appearently my grandma beat up some guys who tried to steal her chickens, so I dunno.
What if we found out Miyamoto liked to grab handfuls on the train
"But sir, you have the money for limos!" "I prefer to take the train, for reasons"
pinchy pinchy
culture maybe, you have all those shinjuku bars where salarymen hang out
ur a zelda
Mr @wanton sun, I'm curious. Are memory cards initialized from FPGA in the PSX core too? There's this support function
void psx_fill_blanksave(uint8_t *buffer, uint32_t lba, int cnt)
...
Yeah, if we fill it out of software we might actually manage to get the randomization right lol
for psx, mister main creates a new memcard for every game with default content
ideally the same would also be done for n64 if a game uses cpak
then the core could completly skip the formating internally. Also games would always have a formated memcard and not carry it over from previous games
btw. it seems that same goes for Mickey Speedway USA. no boot since that core
(On latest beta as of this message)
This is what I meant. The timing sync between the audio and the video on this cutscene. The game is running at too many frames for this part.
Coincidentally
I get a black screen around this part with the music still playing. Using latest beta.
Where am I supposed to place the zImage_dtb file from the unstable nighties? It isn't clear from the pinned message and the unstable release link.
It's no longer needed. The stable version has incorporated those additions.
But to answer your question, it resides in \media\fat\linux\zImage_dtb.
Remove/rename the existing one first, then replace it with the new one.
Ok, thank you.
Both
@opaque grotto sorry it wasn’t clear and thanks for answering his question @mortal panther. I’ll go ahead and update the pin now.
Thanks Robby, you're the best.
What's the difference? https://youtu.be/3KIObmo4rSM?t=128
N64 Footage: The intro to DK 64, enjoy, please comment and enjoy the video.
Playlist to all Bosses from this game as well as other key moments:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNENzXCYHiZwfd_K35hrABa8oPcYjEVo1
All Bosses with no damage (Wii U VC Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0gSnOG__7Q&list=PLNENzXCYHiZwfd_K35hrABa8oPcYjE...
Music track
On Mister its delayed (Or, technically, video is early)
lol that moment when you upload a new Portal 64 video yesterday afternoon for THIS afternoon and you see a much bigger channel uploaded one this morning 😆
nailed it!
Yeah MVG? He does really good research into small communities.
I gotta find my original portal download and build that ROM
I really respect the guy for requiring you to have it
I mean it clears legal hurdles so it’s a CYA for him
But I like it when they require you to own the original game to do a mod like that
no other channel has anywhere near the amount of in-depth thoroughly researched retro material as you do

himynameisawbaconandwelcometoanothervideo INHALE butletsgetrightintothiswhatwehavehereisaverysmooooothcore
haha yeah....epic timing
lolololol
quality! not quantity!
why not both
imagine the amount of videos once tlb is done. one video per letter
3 x the content
oh yeah that gets two vids
I like watching VGE videos at 25% speed where the slurring of his words combine together to make him sound incredibly drunk
too many games for one....talking for half an hour doesnt work. 20 minutes max in a vid and then people dont care
its just because I use big words and your Texas vocab needs to watch with a thesaurus
stuff like "look" and "impressive" just trip you up. I get it
I watched the mvg vid but then got a bad conscience because I know vge is super sensible when it comes to comparing views to him so I watched anothet vge vid to make up for it.
jokes on you, I can’t read!
Will try. Maybe that should be the default speed of his vids.
maybe if I start comparing games to different types of BBQ and truck nuts you will follow along 😆
Truck nuts ehhh, comparing to different types of BBQ and I would legitimately enjoy it
That’s just because you only have bbq
🍖
There is that angry video game nerd so a drunk video game nerd might be a hit.
Kinda like drunk history.
CBFD booting on MiSTer will be surreal
The only person I know who can say "video game" with only one syllable. 😏
Loved the idea. Maybe it’s time for me to become an Youtuber 🙃
I don't drink so feel free to use it.
https://youtu.be/6DCI7_Ym0lg?t=559 robby when there's a new core update
A variety show with 4 acts from the early 1940s. 1) Three Winter Sisters: Three girls doing dancing gymnastics. 2) The Glenn Miller Modernaires: A singing group of four men and a woman. 3) Andy Mayo presents Pansy the horse (2 guys in a horse costume) 4) Finally Reg Kehoe and his Marimba Queens: A marimba-based musical group active from the late...
I will start the old man plays old games channel.
On second thought that market is getting saturated. 😞
It’s all old men LOL
I refuse to acknowledge my age!
Birthday yesterday. Not quite at number of candles sufficient to start a house fire, but getting there!
I'm probably still below average age here still
Happy birthday!!
Thank you! N64 core keeps giving.
Getting older is great
Speak for yourself
I am brother
lol boomer
I’m at the door to 50
oh no we’re being invaded by boomers
I have the same hope. I'll never grow up!
Yeah go to your safe space you kids need now a days !!!! We are here
Ok boomer.
my safe space is boomer free
Says the guy who develops boomer shooters!
take your ageisms somewhere else please
@zinc dew is there actually a game you worked on that's still sold today? I could buy it to provide you with a minuscule amount of money for Christmas.
Gen X is united here around FPGA gaming.
You worked on Doom, the main target demographic (or is it demongraphic?) is boomers, literally a boomershooter
Yes fpga for life
Yeah, DOOM (2016), DOOM Eternal, Wolfenstein II: New Colossus, Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands, Quake Champions
YOFO - you only FPGA once
I think Doom was more geared towards Gen X.
A male demographic of a certain age no doubt
@zinc dew
I’m sorry, you’re right. I meant the joke lovingly because to me being old means being wiser and smarter than others.
Damn, I bought doom 2016 and eternal twice, for ps5 and switch. Seems you already got enough money!
This could easily spin off into a heated debate in #spicy-off-topic lol
he made it a topic... so it's ontopic
eh I dunno, if your my fathers age it means being racist and homophobic but....
@prisma ivy go be hall monitor somwhere else
Oh good grief
This is my first time doing this so I hope I'm doing it right:
"That's not for you to decide"?
wait till I'm 69!!
Millennial alert! 🚨🚨
millennials ruined the planet
Agreed
Like eternal fun vacuums.
which ones made houses unaffordable? I get my generations mixed up
They see people having fun and suuuck! It's gone!
Take your ageism somewhere else please
You will own nothing and like it
it used to be so simple.... but it wasn't good enough for them...... they had to make EVERYTHING MORE COMPLICATED...... and look where we are now... bathroom use is debated and they don't even know what to protest for anymore 😄 (why the fuck did they build 2 different bathrooms to begin with... it's all a bunch of BS)
it's well deserved critisisms 😄
It's a quote from a wise, elderly man. 😄
nice
Also robby go get to work on more doomer shooters, you seem to be good at it.
You need to convince them to put multiplayer back in Wolfenstein.
But but but what about my MiSTer
37 days until xmas
Now now, hall monitor :p
Nobody tell him
I think he just forgot to write "not" in the sentence.
I am not telling - I am suggesting .... 2 different things
1 game not working
I am hoping for Vivid Dolls in the candy cab for Christmas morning.
I actually love @orchid nimbus just for how spicy he can get. 😄
Getting coal seems unreal.
@lament escarp lol 🙂 he has good humor about it
Which is the best tlb game anyway? My heart says conker but my head says paper mario.
GoldenEye
It’s why I like to rile him up lmao. He knows he can go full spicy on me and I won’t be offended at all.
Super Mario 64
Mario's face 64
100% full agreement with you
I love you now more than ever Robby. I hope you're not kidding though.
I’m not haha
Well, only because you worked on Quake Champions
He was part of the cleaning crew, so he helped technically.
Gauntlet Legends
I will love you too if you convince someone to remake RtCW.
I didn’t do much on Quake Champions so I can’t take credit there
my friends used to tease me saying I got a job as a janitor at Activision when I worked there back in 2011
Where do you think I told the effects artists to look at for the Plasma Rifle Microwave Mod? 
Was it also your idea to make RtcW free?
Nope, it was made free?
yeah
oh wait my bad that was Splashdamage
sorry they made the multiplayer free, I dont think the main game is free.
Activision? Damn I hope they didn't screw you like they screw most people. Did you at least do something to bobby koticks coffee??
Just enemy territory is free.
yeah that was my bad
That's good too.
Sadly, Kotick only drank the tears of his customers and employees
Should've peed in each others eyes then.
Golden Shower Festival
If you can't pee in his coffee
I'm gonna go play Quake Champions in Robby's honor right now.
oh I will never be mean though 🙂 it will always be constructed of non swear words 😉
I'm going to play RtCW and be sad they still haven't made a remaster of this masterpiece.
Officially.
looking at the track record NightDive studios is building, it's only a matter of time.
they did Deoom 64
What is RtCW?
They released the turok 3 remaster early by accident
Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Ohhhh
It's a multiplayer masterpiece.
Lol so they delayed it to November 30th but it got leaked anyways? That's kinda funny
No not leaked, you can buy it in the European and I think Australian eshop.
Like, they put in the delay notice to late or something.
I mean, not exactly a leak. Just an error on their end
Has anyone gotten three of their friends together and played a four player wrestling game on the core yet?
can you get me a key for tiny tina? been waiting for five years for a proper discount. I CAN'T AFFORD IT!
i must spend my money on psp mods
Does anybody actually have 3 friends? 
😦
I took my MiSTer to someone's house but there wasn't an N64 core yet. So we played Bomberman 94.
Ah
BUUUUT
If I had four controllers or a way to connect my friend's OG controllers up the the MiSTer.... I'm sure they wouldn't understand what makes the MiSTer so special 😄
me, my brother, and @empty scarab played 3 player Smash Remix.
Excellent
I got 6 friends together to play the Xbox 360 GoldenEye when it dropped. Shit is like herding cats. I don't think I could get more than two for MiSTer.
this fixes the recent JFG instant crash, maybe it also fixes Mickey Racing?
that is fucking accurate 😆
cycle accurate, if I must say
But it's accurate!
My friends: 
I'm picturing that meme where the guy is alone in the corner at a party
GoldenEye 360 was just the perfect storm. I had the friends that loved the game and the development kits to play.
I try to be available to hang out with people if you're in the west coast
I'm part of the Wisconsin gang.
It'll always amaze me how the internet can bring people together from around the world.
leave it to me to tear chat asunder
When the German developer posts a core and people from Midwest and West USA play it
yeah, leave out the East coast 😆

West side ✊
North Midwest representing!
Are we too busy being costal and elite?
I'm from the place you see in the News
Chicago?
Other side of the world
It’s true I haven’t played N64 for some builds, gotta let the middle state peasants make sure it’s acceptable for my sophisticated east coast palate.
China. I see.
I don't really pay attention so you might be, I just live under a rock.
Hard Rock Cafe is only in really big cities tho
Only places I am vaguely aware of in the news is Russia, Ukraine, China and Israel.
I am Israeli
Seems like a cool country to visit when it's not in the news.
Maybe it still is but I try to avoid things in the news.
Its not worth to visit right now but mostly due to everyone's mood not because of security
I can well imagine.
It's been awesome having you in this community though. Thanks for what you've contributed.
@zealous hull
❤️ from a southerner/midwesterner lol
whatever is in the air terrifies me
Lot of trebuchet intolerance on this server today
catapults are inside
Unfortunately, I'm far too set in my ways to let go of this prejudice. People have just learned to live with it.
Oh that's a nice coincidence. I know you're a titan in that scene. I only know what little I've tinkered with on MiSTer. 🙂 Seems like a really cool, established community.
toxic as hell once a while 🙂 but what scene isn't
so I feel TLB is in the air 🙂
Wouldn't be suprised if it already is halfway finished.
Oh lord.
I thought the goal was to every non-TBL game to boot (and free of bugs) before TBL was implemented
We just bug him too much about it 😅
got a patch for Mario 1000 year door?
Download the latest version of the Dolphin Emulator (5.0-20347) from the official website.
Here is patch
Gc core confirmed!
let’s talk T L B, let’s talk about you and me
TLB is my favourite sandwich
I prefer an opened faced club sandwedge. 🏌️♂️
Gotta get some of this Tender Loving Beer...
A question: I try to do the Pole jumping for 8 red coins in Mario 64. But the poles werent there, what am I missing?
You're in the wrong mission
The poles
what wrong mission, it says the mission is that one
You need to get the Cellar key
oh, I need to do Bowser first?
ah, yes. Thanks
I managed to get some of them jumping around, but the ones behind the wireframe in the air was impossible 😅
Me and my sister ready for tender loving bear to be implemented
Cause we exemplify the type of caring that comes with N64 core
New 64 vid is out with some piss poor timing lolol
sorry, already unsubbed and subbed to MVG
Im da best around here
Im legit OP
in theory - and i know we wont know until we know - but is TLB a 'feature' or a function that once implemented all games that require it will work. or did each developer implement it in their own way and each game will have to be individually addressed?
TLB is TLB
i cant never not stare at your dusty n64 in your intro. haha
I posted some YouTube video quite some time ago explaining what it is and how it works 🙂
But it will allow the last few games to start booting
I assume it's a function that should work on the games that need it but like everything else it would likely need development and debugging
yea i think i might have even watched it 🙂 just wasnt sure it if development implemntion was unique. or standard
thats kinda what i was assuming.
TLB is part of the CPU, but games don't have to necessarily use it.
It's like SIMD in x86 (MMX, SSE2, AVX, AVX512, etc.). You don't have to write code that uses it (or compile your code to use it) if you decide not to.
yes. if games had to use it.. no games would be playable 😄
It'd be higher on the priority list, yes 😁
tell me you are a geek without telling me. 😛
Well, this is an FPGA gaming Discord. Kinda implied, haha.
ahha true 😄
I think we need a parody like this but for TLB https://youtu.be/BwqFgnl4rMs?si=anATIrYjb24u3cch 🤣
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So, if I buy an N64 SNAC adapter, is Stadium/Stadium 2 in a place where everything is pretty much playable with GB/GBC carts?
Last I checked, I didn't think Crystal was working in 2?
Crystal saves work just not the crystal emulator
If there is space then presumably more GB/GBC mappers can be added in the future
I'm guessing Robert is working on the last Non-TLB games that are not playable yet?
Robert was working on CPU issues before TLB, not sure if he plans to do YUV and LOD (I think those are the missing features names) before he does TLB. YUV (?) Would fix the visual issues on Ogre Battle and LOD the portrait face changing from Peach to Bowser in Mario 64.
are there any games left that don't boot/play that don't use the TLB?
as far as i know the only non-bootable/playable games left use it
Polaris SnoCross still randomly crashes during a race
Do you guys know if widescreen patches work on ROM hacks?
The impossible Nintendo 64 FPGA core just got updated again on MiSTer FPGA! With huge improvements to the MiSTer FPGA N64 core bringing new life to so many games! Plus this is the viewer request test video I promised everyone...you asked me what retro games were working well on the current Nintendo 64 FPGA core...so I tested what you've been ask...
I'm going to try to widescreen patch Majora's Mask Redux.
That video didn’t come from my loins
with SNAC, all GB(C) games should work fine. Only the emulated transfer pak doesn't support all gameboy mappers yet
Panda was the tlb all along 🥰
Thank you, Robert!
Extremely cool the N64 core supports the transfer pak and SNAC. It’s a bit surreal being able to use your original carts to play on the MiSTer. Even if it’s a bit of a roundabout way haha.
When I use a gamecube controller via Trip Linker II Plus it moves too much on the F-Zero X vehicle select (often two vehicles for one stick press)
how does it work? does the Transfer Pak dump the ROM on startup?
btw is there a way to play using y/c functionality on crt
Y/C Composite Build
Download manually - https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole
Download with "update_all" - add the following to your
/media/fat/downloader.ini:
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/db/db.json.zip```
*(thanks to @modern sleet for maintaining these Y/C builds and providing the automated workflow to make it easy to get latest)*
I think it’s constantly reading it.
Dumping them yes, but not running from them, the latency is too large and transfer rate to slow
Dump them into SDRAM
ah so its a cart dumper
it has full access, but it's slow. So you could e.g. write savemem at runtime
but i don't think running roms directly without copying them is fast enough
Not sure how much it can dump from a cartridge, but when/if mappers are implemented you'd see Crystal is the worst. After "full load" of the GB ROM, it will stutter on most summary screens the first time you look at them. Subsequent tend to be fine, so not sure how it's doing it. All the Gen 2 games are like that to some extent. New route loads, little hang as it seemingly pulls from GB ROM
19 TLB tests passed. Currently only Data path is covered, not instructions. Also TLB mapped reads/writes don't work together with CPU cache, so it's sloooow. Exceptions(e.g. page miss) are still all missing. But a nice start. At least one game is already working with it, more on that later
I think I know the game
I think it's a game with a face.
Not the one I was thinking of.
A game that initialize TLB but never use it?
Goldeneye? 🍻
TLB!
What a coincidence, that's mine too!
That's not a TLB exception, but a memory access acception ... ᶜᵃᵘˢᵉᵈ ᵇʸ ⁿᵒᵗ ᵗʳᵃⁿˢˡᵃᵗⁱⁿᵍ ᵗʰᵉ ᵃᵈᵈʳᵉˢˢ ʷⁱᵗʰ ᵗʰᵉ ᵗˡᵇ
"Well yes, but actually no."
"Who was that TLB exception I saw you with last night?"
"That was no TLB exception, that was my wife!"
Feel free to test if other tlb games also work, but don't expect much. Only the most basic cases might work
!!
Testing right now, thanks.
OMG
Twisted Edge Snowboarding playable. Was booting further than most before. Yeah! (I have no idea what this game is like)
FIFA 64 no change, data cache oddity
Killer Instinct Gold works.
I repeat KI Gold goes in-game and you can do some battles.
Wow. I was not expecting this.
No changes no Goemon games.
You weren't expecting the TLB update to have some games working?
I'm trying Conker and the Castlevania games right now.
I was expecting TLB to come next year.
Just for fun.
Wild.
Good morning!
Is it Christmas?
No changes on the 2 Castlevania games and Conker.
Banjo Tooie tries to boot with a fixed background and water + music on that build.
Goldeneye not working for me
he could always push a christmas release where only one game works. He never stated that there was a limitation before christmas
Mario Golf 
Indiana Jones no change
No changes on Goldeneye, Turok 2 & 3, Paper Mario.
Oh no , Mario's ugly face
Robert really just came in, dropped a TLB update and left.
No change on Rakugakids
Omg so exciting
Battle for naboo no change
So let's resume at the moment :
- Mario 64 doesn't need a No Face Patch with the 2023-11-19 build;
- Killer Instinct at least boots some battles (I've not pushed more than 2-3 rounds);
- Mario Golf works;
- Twisted Edge Snowboarding works;
- Transformers Beast Wars works too.
Testing Mario Tennis now.
South park games no change
No change for Mario Tennis.
thank you for your service Mario 64 no face patch 🚮
Transformers Beast Wars 
Eleven beat working for Aleck 64?
What have we done.
Woot!!
jettison the core
Your day has come!
No changes on the 2 Bomberman games.
Nope. Not doing that.
Best Qix clone on N64 hardware.
The TLB era has begun! 
Here I sit in my office. Jacked up on Acetaminophen, with a wicked sinus infection, playing a fucking p*rn game on the Nintendo 64 at 6:00 in the morning.
This isn't what I had planned for my life.
you aren’t the hero we need but the hero we deserve
It's the small things.

Everything you've done in life has led to this moment
i still think the real tlb is the friends we made along the way
How about magical Tetris?
Anyone has a rumble pach for Mario 64 (with face)?
Welcome to TLB
Check the Shindou translation patches
Jet force Gemini still crashes
Banjo Tooie boots to this, with music playing on loop! (Not TLB)
interesting ! tooie boots with the everdrive patched version
That had booted for a while patched yeah. Odd
No changes on Gauntlet Legends.
Really appreciate the updates and rapid testing. 🍻
SM64 fires up a treat now 🙂 I didn't bother with the whole No Face Patch, I waited it out.
GoldenEye Black screen
Perfect Dark Black screen
NBA Jam 2000 Black Screen.
I am sure this is already known.
But now we wont get Mario doesnt work for me but I saw it on Youtube
Nfl quarterback games no change
I can keep the dream alive if you want
Thats not for you to decide
Any news on vivid dolls?!
yes
#1096015979055697940 message
I have not investigated this report
Christmas is saved! 
That was the one game Robert was mentioning
Thanksgiving miracle 🦃
Robert said he was blocking Vivid Dolls due to its Porn Content. So bad luck !
You can play the patch Mario Dolls
It's thanksgiving week isn't? We don't have that in europe but I'll eat some turkey for y'all.
That's next weekend
This Thursday, yeah
is the sm64 mario face framerate true(ish) to hardware or just the bespoken tlb penalty that was/is to be expected?
I'm thankful for Robert 
I can eat pecan pie and play Vivid Dolls on Thursday. Going to be a good week.
Can't imagine him being such a prude.
Joke Time
but it sailed over you
Keep it at the first level while the family is watching. 😉
#1096015979055697940 message @cerulean elk
They will see worse watching a proper Christmas movie like Die Hard.
I've tested all the games on that list, no changes at all at the moment.
Except for some fixed backgrounds and looping music on Banjo-Tooie (unpatched) now.
What about Eleven Beat?
I read this as amphetamines
The face itself doesn't use TLB, so it cannot be the reason if it is slower at all
I’m awake. I’m awake
4 pm today. I sure as hell can’t hit 8 am with this notice 🤣
Good! We need a Vivid Dolls video right away!
Wonder what causes the non booting games
So let's resume at the moment :
- Mario 64 doesn't need a No Face Patch with the 2023-11-19 build;
- Killer Instinct at least boots some battles (I've not pushed more than 2-3 rounds);
- Mario Golf works;
- Twisted Edge Snowboarding works;
- Transformers Beast Wars works too.
5 games already working with only this basic implementation isn't bad
So is this the roster for captures? If we find more working just @ me but not like it takes long to test such a small list
you will not add vivid dolls, will you? 😛
Haha I’ll see how I feel
@cerulean elk Vivid Dolls works!!
Probably not. YT flags a video 18+ and it’s a mess for me
NSFN64
I've done the resume especially for you @cerulean elk so you can do your video more faster. 😉
Just don't reveal everything 👍
I will TELL PEOPLE Vivid Dolls work
Vivid dolls is goat. Pls cover it!
woot!
Add it and then place a huge black rectangle across the foootage with a ha ha on it
Cover it with anything you can find. 😉
It deserves probably at least as much attention as f zero x
Fine. I’ll get SOMETHING Vivid Dolls in
6 games
How did Robert know it's my birthday today. I wished for a TLB surprise 
Gonna see that red line in the chart drop 🤘
This is good. I wasn’t in the mood to make the next video on my list of projects today anyway lol
Main menu is clean along with first two levels of each girl.
is the plan to implement just enough TLB to get all games working then stop?
But yeah 4 PM my time. Should be fun
it'll be interesting to see how much of it is actually required
Happy birthday!
TLB Totally lewd boobs game
Mario 64, Mario Golf, Killer Instinct, Twisted Edge, Transformers Beast Wars, and...... vivd dolls?
Is that the only alec one?
69th?
37th 😎
I have seen much worse on Cinemax at 2 am. It's hardly more adult than classic sports illustrated swimsuit edition.
Killer Instinct Gold is now working! I can die in peace now!! Thank you so much @wanton sun
@zinc dew remove the Sm64 patch from the pins
Oh I don’t care. I just care if YT cares lol
I have zero cares about the content
Understandable
could just show 2 seconds of gameplay and then cut to a shot of the MiSTer hardware and assure the viewer it's all working lool
There is footage on YouTube of it already but don't know if it monetized or not.
not worth risking it, a flag or report with more views would probably do it
Anyone have a source for the 60fps Mario64 patch? See how far it gets now. iirc didn't get far with noface, but unknown without if the logo/face would at least show it was doing something
Ok well I’ve got my list. I won’t start work till noon so if the hive mind finds anything else lmk
Good @orning
🎶 It’s beginning to look a lot like TLB, everywhere you goooo 🎶
One game playable by Christmas. Clearly Robert is a dishonest man. He can’t be trusted 🤣
Devs always add 6-12 months to a task
Too much excitement before I’ve had my coffees
Fully?
Vivid dolls is so much fun I can't stop playing
Listen this is important, are Killer Instinct and Pokemon Puzzle League bug free now
Answer me now, don't wait for the translation!
So nice to not have to worry about finding the right mixture of SM64 ROM hack + no-face cocktails now.
Dolls?
I'm finally able to experience the 'Shindou Improvement' ROM hack. 🙂
Working!!!!
😄
Haha well done
Jut completed the game on easiest . I will try on normal now. Until now, no freezing at my side, just some glitches with fighters special effects ( messed colors )
Nice!
When those two games play without glitch the core is finished we can pack it up
blast corps
Just completed vivid dolls. And also finished. 😉

mischief makers
Has the test sheet been updated with all the changes?
no but I think @lament escarp need to change HIS sheets now
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE WORK HAS BEGUN
Kawaii in the streets, senpai in the sheets. 
I expect this as a comment on today's video at 4 or else youve let me down
Nice job as usual Robert! There will be alot less people asking what's wrong with Mario games now.
Rakuga kids has slapping music
Yes no more YT comments “why doesn’t Mario work”
Why doesn't Mario Tennis work
Unions !
Technically true
Although at this point we might as well amend it to "all"
I already miss the random people asking if n64 is even possible on mister, now I lost the mario people as well. 😦
(That being said I’ve yet to get my union card for the union I’d actually get work in. I only qualify for one guild and not the one hiring 😂)
How is the Youtube Billionaires union these days
I’ll lyk when I get there
I was DGA - commercial but I stopped paying dues. Wasn’t getting work
Turned more work away I COULDNT do
My employer almost made me join the union this year. Wasn't happy about working 4 days a week.
Film unions are great if you get consistent work. But if your work is sporadic then you can’t work on anything non-union so an entire body of work is off limits
So if a project isn’t a signatory then it’s scabbing
Sorry got off track lol…I am a card carrying member of the N64 union
Then you cant make Sega Saturn Videos !
playing that wario-ware-esque game inside mario artist polygon studio xD
jesus, unrelated but 4TB NVMe drives under 150$ - what the hell?
What happened with NAND in the last year?
You could apperently get them for as low as 120
I love it, just feels like I'm in the twilight zone
I remember getting an OCZ 250GB drive for almost 300$
Got a 4tb in my ps5, feels nice
and before that, a 32GB Intel drive for almost 400
That was 15 years ago
Fantastic news about TLB, great work Robert!
but NVMe has only been around since 2012-ish
If Mario Golf is working now then that one should now work with Transfer Pak if anyone wants to try
this is all unions tbh
wait what
@daring meteor
Notice the fire extinguisher in the background

that was from 2011 I think
2013
680, at lease these are the cool cards
Right in the middle lol
But did you get 15FPS in Mario 64 at 240p
I never played Crysis
If we get Goldeneye working by Christmas, it'll be like Christmas 1997 all over again
Damn got a link?
Newegg has 'em for black friday sale
sorry, union only
I should recreate this when I get my Odin 2
Not for scabs
If a reputable company is selling reputable brand drives I’ll trip over my wallet for a four pack of those bad boys
you've got scabs
now I'm hungry
Yeah you!
ok well, TeamGroup is not exactly what I would call top-tier
They put out DRAM-less SATA SSDs for awhile and said they had DRAM cache
(they didn't)
i see there's some tlb shit happening around here. didn't i tell you yesterday?
“Team Group” 4TB drives. And I’m out 🤣
"tlb tomorrow" is what i said
Sucks needing to trust drives for “work”. You can never just wing it with the off brand shit
You must be some sort of wizard
I refuse to, but that means other stuff will start coming down
If you say it every day eventually you will be right lol
but i AM .... right
Thank you for putting in the extra dev time
When I see samsung, crucial, or even Sabrent(maybe) hitting that 150$ point I will dance
TLB tomorrow
nothing wrong with being right
yeah no doubt I'm upgrading at that point
It's also your right to be wrong



