Nintendo 64

[weary beacon]

All of that tech cost too much back then. You had to sacrifice something.

[dusty tusk]

Fun read for anyone that wants to see the kinda things Robert has been implementing.
https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/nintendo-64/

[zenith orchid]

The CPU is essentially the heart and the main artery of the entire core. TLB will affect CPU directly and add all sorts of complexity that wouldn't be there otherwise. It would be a nightmare to debug CPU related issues that may not be TLB issues, once the TLB is in.

The full TLB may not fit, but a mini TLB should get the job done. There is plenty of functionality on the N64 that most(if any) games never touched.

[ocean lily]

As long as I can play Goemon and the US Bomberman 64, it'll be good

[zenith orchid]

I think all games will be playable. but from a preservation perspective, it probably won't be a complete core on the De10 nano

[ocean lily]

someone say kria?

[zenith orchid]

who would invest in that once all games are playable on MiSTer though?

[last scarab]

Has anyone noticed when launching n64 core, the main menu doesnt automatically appear. However some cores like NES and SNES the main menu starts up?

[zenith orchid]

sounds like a showstopper to me 👀

[cerulean elk]

If anyone comments on a video and complains that “well actually it’s not the entire TLB” if all games work fine and it’s just missing TLB sections no games ever used I’ll ban their asses 🤣

I’m going to yell about Nintendo tomorrow night anyway and their bullshit so I’m feeling spicy lol

[zenith orchid]

It is still an impossible core. but just because it's impossible doesn't mean it won't play games about as accurately as the real thing 😄

[eternal ravine]

So really, we were all correct

[azure hatch]

I'd just like to fire up castlevania 1 & 2 on my mister. If someone wants to patch out the TLB requirement at launch I could really care less about TLB being implimented at all lol

[native mesa]

I could see it being valid if it was something the mod scene was using

[zenith orchid]

have those games been reverse engineered?

[cerulean elk]

Sure but I mean the mouth breathers looking to make some esoteric point about “well aktchually”

[azure hatch]

no idea, a couple of people here have mentioned it may only be required at launch but I can't confirm

[zenith orchid]

the core already passes through TLB requests. so if its just to initialize TLB, then it should boot just fine

I think DK64 does that

the core essentially delivers TLB requests to a TLB that isn't there

[azure hatch]

if that's the case perhaps a simple patch won't cut it :(

ah well, some day soon I'm sure they'll be playable

[zinc dew]

[cerulean elk]

Exactly

I had some idiot in comments debating the semantics of emulation / simulation / recreation and I wanted to beat them with their own waifu body pillow (I’m surly today lol)

[zinc dew]

you forgot replication

[cerulean elk]

🤣

[native mesa]

I think you can blame analogue marketing for that one

[zinc dew]

I don’t think deeply about this. To me I play old games just like how I remembered and it makes me very happy.

[native mesa]

I think a snack based cartridge ROM reader would be cool

[cerulean elk]

I settled with “clearly you can’t be happy. So let’s agree to call it FPGA rekagiggering and maybe get out of the basement”

[zinc dew]

lol

[native mesa]

I only play games that are software rekagiggered

[zenith orchid]

software rekaggigeration has been around for a long time. I knew about it before it was a thing

[azure hatch]

When mister first came out I think they read up on the documentation for WINE on Linux and ran with it.

[solemn marlin]

Fpga doesn't recreate the n64 experience accurately enough, I can't hear my parents arguing in the living room when I play mario party

[inner plume]

I have to ask, what is "rekagiggered"?

[cerulean elk]

Tomorrows video is about Nintendo’s asinine new anti-rekajiggering policies lol

[inner plume]

Ah nvm I see it was just coined moments ago

[fair stump]

Did that with @cerulean elk's mom last night but I'll spare you the details

[cerulean elk]

By this definition it means disappointed in under two minutes or less @inner plume

[fair stump]

This dude is too used to mom jokes, I tell ya

[cerulean elk]

(Kajiggering is just a stupid word for “remade”….I rekajiggered the cables. They work now)

[inner plume]

okay i can read it better with a "j" instead of the "g" lol

[cerulean elk]

It’s just English nonsense that’s become a word most people know even though it’s not a word. At least I don’t think it is lol

[inner plume]

I was reading it "re-kag-giggering" (soft g's)

[cerulean elk]

Haha ahh I see. No it’s Kah Jig

[inner plume]

English is hard, what can we do

[stiff condor]

Is there something special that needs to be done to get the N64 stick working. Is it just the latest mister nightly and the latest N64 core or is there more?

Games play fine but the menu in Majora's Mask sucks

[zinc dew]

Which N64 stick? NSO? If so you need the latest Linux driver which you can find in the pinned comments.

[stiff condor]

8bitdo mod kit

[zinc dew]

Yeah that needs the updated Linux driver

[stiff condor]

Ah I see I'll try it

[zinc dew]

Hope it works for you, amigo.

[stiff condor]

About to find out

[eternal ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz1blc3rtAA

Literally a NES with Advantage sticks

[stiff condor]

Interesting, it didn't seem to make a difference

[deft tree]

Really taking “original hardware only” to an absurd level lol

[eternal ravine]

yep

[inner plume]

Eh, I still think it's kind of cool. I would have made space to put a small CRT though instead of using the LCD TV

I want to do something similar but for the MiSTer

[latent dagger]

and I would have gone the route of using an everdrive cart to load up all the games into it without needing to swap cartridges

assuming I was hell bent on using an actual NES for it. and ye, a CRT as well.

[hollow badger]

so the only games that dont boot require TLB?

[inner plume]

So far, I believe that's the case. I won't say there aren't any exceptions though for non-TLB games

[hollow badger]

if true, that seems incredible.

[inner plume]

Some games have patches that remove TLB from it (like Perfect Dark or removing the face scene from Mario 64 startup))

[hollow badger]

I assume TLB would be one of the last things implemented

[inner plume]

Yep

Would make debugging a nightmare

[latent dagger]

what's TLB

[hollow badger]

translation lookaside buffer

[inner plume]

translation lookaside buffer

[hollow badger]

has something to do with taking memory from one type to another? i think?

physical to virtual?

[inner plume]

I understand it but I would probably butcher the explanation

[latent dagger]

Seeing as how now PD has been reverse engineered I personally wouldn't care to play the N64 version.

[hollow badger]

he can look it up since he knows the acronym now

er the meaning of the acro

[latent dagger]

it's one of those games that just absolutely needed to be on PC

[hollow badger]

since i dont quite understand it myself

[inner plume]

It's basically a cache of recently accessed virtual memory addresses related to actual memory

A lot of games don't use it

[last scarab]

imitation

[hollow badger]

understandable, but as someone who can play super mario 64 a dozen different ways, i'm still excited for TLB to be implemented.

i'm here to marvel at the engineering and appreciate the new releases as they come

[latent dagger]

I just feel it's one of those games that is probably just better on better hardware.
SM64 even though it's been remade, reverse engineered, and modded to the heavens and back I would rather just play the patched version on N64 (the patched one that fixes the slowdown around the submarine)

[inner plume]

TLB does incur a performance penalty as well, which is why some games have patches that remove TLB

[hollow badger]

that makes me scared for Conkers BFD

[hollow badger]

interesting that you prefer PD on better hardware but SM64 on OG hardware...

[inner plume]

BFD is a game that does use it, and AFAIK there are no patches to remove TLB from the game

[latent dagger]

SM64 doesn't really need to be ported and updated in any way. It's pretty good as is.
PD on the other hand is an FPS which benefits greatly from mouse controls, better framerates, higher FOV, etc.

[zinc dew]

The rom hack Mario and the Monstrous Manor is working perfectly now. The transparency issue at the intro got fixed a build or two back.

[hollow badger]

Sm64 with Render96 has widescreen support, higher fps, higher polygon count, more playable characters, and probably more that i'm not mentioning.
sm64 on n64 has nostalgia? idk. I grew up on the N64 version and have a sweet spot for it, but objectively, I couldn't say how the OG would be better.

i'm not trying to convince you one way or another. this is just how i think about it. we can each play how we want of course.

[latent dagger]

I feel that playing SM64 on a CRT with it's jank controls is just the perferred experience for me.
I don't see the need to do all that extra stuff with it.
I feel the way I feel about PD because of the type of game it is and I feel that said type of game is just better played in an updated modern way on PC with M/K.

You questioned why I would rather play PD all updated on PC but SM64 the old school way and I was explaining why that is.

[inner plume]

I agree that Mario 64 feels superb in 2023, despite the limited camera

[hollow badger]

i didn't question it, but...semantics lol

[inner plume]

I like playing PD and 007 with modern controls, but there is just something satisfying about playing through the game with one of the original layouts

[hollow badger]

g2g have a good night

[latent dagger]

I interpreted this as you questioning

[inner plume]

Also on N64 I'm finally the best player in multiplayer

[zinc dew]

Who cares how people enjoy to play their game. It’s all awesome.

[inner plume]

No more "Most Cowardly" awards for me

I wasn't trying to say that enjoying these games modernly or originally is right or wrong, just giving my perspective on how I enjoy it

[latent dagger]

So, can I play Mystical Ninja without issues now on the core?

[inner plume]

Pretty sure both Goemon games use TLB

[latent dagger]

oh. pshh. so basically the heavy hitter titles that pushed the system to it's limits use TLB?

[inner plume]

I think Mystical Ninja gets through the new game intro and locks up, and great adventure locks up after the splash logos

I may have mixed up the titles though

A lot of Rare games (I think Banjo-Kazooie works though)

[abstract slate]

Can anyone that uses the NSO controller recommend a Bluetooth adapter that doesn't require resyncing every time you boot your MiSTer?

[latent dagger]

normally how BT works is the operating system remembers devices not the adapter.

you would have to look for an adapter that can store memory of connected devices

[inner plume]

Paper Mario's smoke/dust effects trigger a use of TLB (e.g. broom smoke, dust when walking)

[latent dagger]

what about the game that shall not be named whos name involves going on a "mission" of sorts

an "Adventure" if you will

[inner plume]

Superman?

Someone already 100%ed it

[latent dagger]

an "exploration" perhaps.

[chilly ember]

Bass hunter 64?

[latent dagger]

ya'll know what game I'm talking about now just tell me if it's playable

[chilly ember]

Hahah you can type it now :p

[inner plume]

I don't but I'm guessing you mean Superman based on the "Adventure" clue

[latent dagger]

Quest64

[chilly ember]

Yes quest 64 is completable lol

[inner plume]

Oh that game works

Haven't beaten it yet

An earlier version of the core used to crash often but it's been playing fine for me lately

[latent dagger]

I'm sitting here using synonyms and shit when that word wasn't banned anymore lol

[inner plume]

Why would "Quest" be banned

[latent dagger]

I haven't been around for a bit

[inner plume]

I get the game has some vitriol against it

But it's not like it's a total affront to RPGs. I like it, personally

[latent dagger]

it was a hard meme in here a while back and dude got tired of people doing it, so he temp banned the title

which just made it an even harder meme

[chilly ember]

I thought about finishing it but someone else did it already so I'm not sure if I ever will now :p, it just seems so meh

[latent dagger]

it's one of the first games to get elements right though lol

[chilly ember]

If it was my first rpg, I'd probably enjoy it but eh

[inner plume]

It was marketed as this huge RPG experience and it was not that, so a lot of people felt burned at the time. I got it as a kid from my uncle, so I didn't care I just thought it was fun

It was my second RPG

Or maybe it was the first, actually

[latent dagger]

it was probably huge for the hardware of the N64

[inner plume]

Now I can't remember if my first RPG was Super Mario RPG or Quest 64

[latent dagger]

anybody here ever play Summoner?
I played it originally on PS2.

[inner plume]

Does FFX count 😄

[latent dagger]

FF up until about FF15 have more or less been standard RPGs.

with the exception of some spin off titles

like derge and crisis core

[zinc dew]

Because I turned it into a meme by ironically hyping it up so much lol

[chilly ember]

Anyone play dark cloud? I've been waiting for a dark cloud 3 forever

[zinc dew]

then it got banned for a while to further drive the meme

And the jokes over so it got unbanned

[latent dagger]

it's all Robby's fault really. But people had a Quest64 sticker at some point

[elfin depot]

There's a spreadsheet in the pins that lists the games that are playable, completed by someone, etc

[zinc dew]

yeah the original sticker was my hand

then I made a couple more along with an emoji

And now it’s alllll gone

[latent dagger]

reads "and now it's all gone" and starts hearing Linkin Park's "Hit The Floor"

[latent dagger]

is that a doo doo emerson TV?

[zinc dew]

Nah

[chilly ember]

Sharp

[latent dagger]

I had a doo doo emerson growing up at one point in the mid 2000's

[inner plume]

Man I was trying to figure out whether to restart Minish Cap or play something else, think I'm going to go with continuing Quest 64

[latent dagger]

the better TV's were in the other rooms but I got to have the Emerson in mine as my own personal TV. did the job well enough for letting me play PS1, PS2

[chilly ember]

I had a woodgrain TV with rf I played Gamecube on :p

[latent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[inner plume]

I have a Toshiba 27A41 that isn't my best CRT, but it's my favorite to game on

[zinc dew]

I think a shitty CRT is the best CRT.

[inner plume]

It depends on what I'm playing

[latent dagger]

I only have a Toshiba HDCRT but will get a normal 4:3 for 240p/480i content at some point when I have the space

[latent dagger]

I saw a Cinema Series at one point that looked super clean. I hope I can find something like it again when I'm able to support having another CRT

[chilly ember]

I got a 27 inch Sanyo crt the other day and it actually ain't that bad, I was expecting worse

[inner plume]

It's hard to find a "bad" CRT, they all do what they are made to fairly well

[latent dagger]

I'm hell bent on component support and not having to deal with crap warping and geometry

[inner plume]

At at this stage, beggars can't be choosers. If you want a CRT you kind of have to find what's around you, journey somewhere to make the pick up, or risk someone shipping one to you

[elfin depot]

The Toshiba AF's are nice sets

[chilly ember]

I like JVC D Series, the service menu is self explanatory but the Sanyo I really don't know what anything does and can't seem to find a manual that has the info

[inner plume]

That's one of the reasons I love my Toshiba

It's round-faced and has component

[latent dagger]

I want this personally

nice high quality built trueshiba

[inner plume]

Looks nice

[latent dagger]

or something in that ball park of quality

[inner plume]

D-Series is one I would LOVE to have (I would then have both CRT models I had growing up), but I'd have to get rid of one of mine to get another

I've got a CRT in the basement (36" WEGA), one in my room (Toshiba 27A41), and one stored away as a backup (Sharp, can't recall the model but it's decent)

[surreal bay]

This is a setting in the game that can be toggled on and off. If you go to remix settings turn off color overlays and it should go back to normal.

[chilly ember]

I have two JVC D Series and I prefer them over anything else I have, only others with component inputs are flat screen. Sanyo and a sony trinitron that has a wicked scratch on the glass

[latent dagger]

I just want the two CRT's for pretty much the whole spectrum of consoles from 6th Gen (including Wii doubling as a GC) going back to old school stuff with the MiSTer.
That way I have the HDCRT for Native 480p 6th Gen stuff, and the 4:3 for everything else

[worldly flint]

I was afraid it was something like that. Thanks!

[inner plume]

What would be incredible would be if I could find the official stand for my WEGA, but I can't find the one for my model

[chilly ember]

I'd be happy finding any official stand for a tv lol. I have one for my Panasonic Gaoo but it's kinda in rough shape

[inner plume]

I have a stand that used to be where the WEGA is now from when I was using the Sharp, but the WEGA is too large for it

Now the WEGA is on the floor and the stand is just kind of a surface with cabinets where I store cartridges and discs

[chilly ember]

I need some better stands, I could use one for 32 inch Sony trinitron, that one just sits on the floor in the other room too because it's a beast and awkward to move.

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk there are no new playable games since the end of october - nice clickbait titels 😄 lol

[languid dune]

Gotta play the Youtube game!

[cerulean elk]

Lol that’s new games I haven’t shown there Ace

Gotta sell it

[languid dune]

Tried out Shotgun Mario 64 for the first time a little while ago. So odd that the gun's trigger is set to L.

I actually struggled to get through the tutorial because of that. Getting up to those targets in the air was a massive pain with that setup!

[zinc dew]

Yah, if you use a dual analog controller it’s a lot more playable

[languid dune]

Or two N64 controllers?

[quasi storm]

Dropped in to mention a Quake 2 regression, but it looks like someone already did.

[languid dune]

Speaking of regressions, I noticed that the 60fps Mario 64 hack no longer runs. It used to work, but now it no longer boots at all.

Not that it matters much considering it ran absolutely terrible. 😅

[inner plume]

That worked at some point? I never could get it to run at all

[carmine kettle]

xeno crisis runs some times

[wind lark]

Using a separate Wi-Fi and separate BT dongle resolved the issue for me, instead of using a combo Wi-Fi/BT one (I'm using an ASUS BT 5 adapter now). Discussion here https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=7265

[inner plume]

Why am I not surprised there is a port of portal for N64 lol

[quasi storm]

It has been in the works for some time. It's really shaping up nicely!

I'm just amazed he was able to get portals working at all. I swear it's a mystery as to how much the ol 64 can actually draw.

[storm parrot]

Anyone else experiencing banding in say OOT? Is it because I am using analog VGA out which only has 6 bit color?

[inner plume]

I get color banding on some titles over analog out, yeah, OOT included

Having dithering on seems to help

I think it will happen because the analog out board only supports 18 bits, but the N64 outputs 24-bit color

You can try to get around it using direct video, but you'll lose the ability to output both analog and digital simultaneously (without another device)

I wonder if we'll eventually get a setting like "Dither 24 bit for VGA" that is available for the PSX core

[versed cairn]

Analog out can go up to 24bit in rgb mode but is limited to 18bit in component. If you’re using component it is for sure the analog out that is cause the issue

[vapid hawk]

try enabling dither but not de-dither

basically rely on the crts softness to de-dither

probably would work best with composite

[main dirge]

misteraddons should have new boards that do 24 bit color pretty soon. you will still have to choose between dual hdmi/analog video output or dual ram sticks.

[abstract slate]

Perfect. Thank you.

[fiery grove]

Hi

I haven't updated the core since months

Where do i start now?

Vampier.net/N64?

[vapid hawk]

run the regular updater too (first)

[languid dune]

Yes it worked. Awbacon even covered it in one of his videos!

[worldly quartz]

How does that work? I thought analog boards were limited due to number of pins or something or is it like a weird workaround for direct video?

[main dirge]

by dropping support for the secondary sd card that nothing really uses anymore

it'll also have yc support built in

[vapid hawk]

those look neat

he's making new backplates for his cases so people can just swap them too

[worldly quartz]

ah ok. I guess no one uses it anymore. Laughs in digital board + analog scaler

[vapid hawk]

the main purpose of the secondary sd card slot at this point is to trick new users into accidentally using it

[main dirge]

it's gonna be two different boards - one is an improvement over the current analog board (1 ram stick support) and the other is a board that plugs into the hdmi and simplifies getting direct video (2 ram stick support)

[worldly quartz]

Yeah people were like I'm going to use dual sd slots for PS1 and saturn

[lament escarp]

Tricked me at first. Whats the secondary purpose btw?

[vapid hawk]

er, like... some computer cores use it, or used to use it?

[worldly quartz]

it was for cores that didn't support like virtual drives and stuff

[vapid hawk]

its like, when you're developing a computer core, but havn't done IDE yet... you use that. or something

[main dirge]

yeah it was used by like weird japanese pc cores

[worldly quartz]

like the 486 core

it was easier to use it than implementing the virtual drives

Wonder if digital board can have a revision and use the added bandwidth

would bre cool if it can be like a 2nd snac port lol

[fiery grove]

the database-n64 file is auto updated with the new update script?

[eternal ravine]

Back in myyy day, we used the secondary micro SD slot and we liked it

[fiery grove]

[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip

this

[vapid hawk]

did you ever actually use it?

i always took it as a sign that core wasn't worth checking out yet 😄

[main dirge]

it's supposed to afaik

[worldly quartz]

Wonder if realtime clock is the next to go

for like 32 bit color somehow lol

although I think that's on the DE10 nano

[fiery grove]

thanks

and for the last but not less important... the latest mister build supports the analog stick fix made by lemonici and markun?

[main dirge]

I'm not positive, but I think that was this update from the 18th?

• Improve N64 support code (Rikard Bengtsson, Marcoen Hirschberg, Patrick Pollock, trbocode).
• Saturn: support for CHD (zakk4223).
• Improved YC code (MikeS11)
• Other tweaks and fixes.

[fiery grove]

thanks

i'll try

[mellow raft]

If you use a NSO N64 controller or the 8bitdo mod kit, you still need the custom zdb image file that containss the driver update. But you can use it with the latest stable MiSTer I believe

see the pins

[lament escarp]

Pretty sure yes.

[fiery grove]

thanks

wow mischief makers works pretty good

works great on my consumer CRT too

[toxic pumice]

I can only think of one legitimate use for it and that's the ZX Spectrum Next core, which in itself needed an SD card of its own, at least that's how I think it works... 🙂

[raw oriole]

Close - the Next core can use an hdf. The 2nd SD slot can be used for a standard Next boot SD and you can put it back in a Next after too.
But yeah, I think Next may now be the only core that uses it at all.

[hollow rune]

lol,I was confused cause I've been busy this last week but checking the release notes ans was like, wait, what new would work now? Can't wait to see the latest vid though

[lament escarp]

Could it be used for cloning/migrating sd cards? I've used a script recently that worked really well for that but required a usb-sd adapter for the target sd card.

[oblique remnant]

still needs the intro and 4-1 boulder fix otherwise plays great

[fiery grove]

Is not finishable then?

Is there a turnaround to the boulder?

[oblique remnant]

it's completable but in stage 4-1 the falling boulder is invisible. just gotta be fast 🙂

[fiery grove]

Ohh

[quasi storm]

So, am I the only one who used the dual controller setting in GoldenEye for Co-op?

[daring meteor]

I think a lot would use it now that we have dual analog controllers haha

[raw oriole]

No. 2nd slot is not accessible from Linux. Someone would have to write a cloning core.

[hollow badger]

Excited to see DK64's beginning cutscene play properly

[teal citrus]

Assuming he still implements TLB support on the horizon.

[wanton sun]

what's wrong with the cutscene? i watched it recently after the sync vi change and it seemed fine?

[oblique crow]

tomatoes lettuce and bacon will be distributed according to merit

[weary beacon]

I am trying Mister on a Philips FullHD LCD. PSX and Snes cores works right, but when I launch the N64 core (last version) before loading a game the screen stay black with a message "video format not supported". Is it a known problem of the N64 core?

[wanton sun]

no

hdmi should have no issue at all to show something

[zinc dew]

It’s a problem with your TV.

Set vsync_adjust=0 in your MiSTer ini.

[tender pine]

Anybody help me? I have the Raphnet N64 v3 controller adapter. Is it just plug n play or do I need to set something up?

[oblique remnant]

Robotron 64 is finally set to "completable" 🙂 Not 1 random crash (200 levels on normal difficulty) those occ. sound dropouts seems to occur also on real hardware

[oblique remnant]

should be, otherwise define the N64 buttons in the menu and reset the player assignment

[tender pine]

Hi. Define via the main mister menu or N64 core?

Also, forgive me but, reset the player assessment?

[oblique remnant]

in the N64 core press right then you see those options. after player assignment press a button on the pad to define your "new" pad as controller 1

[tender pine]

Got it. I'll give it a shot. Much appreciated.

[chilly pivot]

@wanton sun did you know why the intro from wcw nwo revenge is too fast?.,the strange thing is only the video not the audio

[odd vector]

Hardcore, how long did it take for those 200 levels?

[oblique remnant]

not sure too long maybe 6-8h but with breaks. at one point I was short on lifes and had to do the same stage all over again 😄 of course without cheats

[orchid nimbus]

yup 🙂 good page!!!

[wanton sun]

no idea. You could try if it's ddr3 speed related in the debug menu if you set ddr3 delay to e.g. 112 and watch it

if it's still too fast, then there is a bug and not memory speed

[orchid nimbus]

112?

[wanton sun]

it's the maximum that can be set currently

each ddr access will get 112 additional cycles of latency at 125 mhz

it's not the same as limiting the bandwidth, but should significantly slow down the memory

[native mesa]

Good morning good afternoon

[tender pine]

5x crop a viable core option?

[native mesa]

The width is 640 so you could really only 5x in 4k. Unless there was a 320 mode

in which case bilinear wouldn't be the same

[tender pine]

But games like Wave Race for example are so windowed it makes me sad.

[orchid nimbus]

gotcha

[last scarab]

anyone with a 8BitDo Mod Kit N64, do you notice any input lag?

[stiff condor]

No, I just can't fix the stick sensitivity

[last scarab]

thanks for your comment. I just ordered one and hoping it is less lag than NSO lmao

are you using the gc stick style?

[stiff condor]

Yeah the 8 bitdo one. There is the Linux driver to help but it didn't seem to make a difference for me. I haven't done much troubleshooting yet though.

[last scarab]

hope you get it resolved

[stiff condor]

I suppose lag perception is going to be different for everyone but with the numerous Bluetooth and 2.4ghz controllers I own, I've never noticed lag

[hasty kayak]

Not really no but then the Controller doesn't work properly in S Mode (I have to Pair it with Bluetooth on every boot up of the MiSTer!). I resort to using D Mode but then you get no Rumble (not a fault with the Core).

[stiff condor]

Is the rumble the only difference?

[last scarab]

does it work when using wired mode?

[hasty kayak]

Yes to me its the only noticeable difference. It performs fine in D Mode.

[mortal panther]

The Jesus Pak?

[zinc dew]

rumble only works in Xinput which I assume the 8bitdo mod kit doesn’t support

[hasty kayak]

Spot on. It uses D-Input I believe?

But then why does a Dual Shock 4 work fine via Bluetooth? That isn't X-input? so is there some kind of Driver for that ?

[zinc dew]

ohh good point

[hasty kayak]

Dual Shock 4 rumbles too

[mortal panther]

Ah, the charging dock to refill its divine energy.

[zinc dew]

Yeah there might be a custom driver there

[hasty kayak]

So hopefully we get an NSO / 8BitDo Modkit Driver 😉

[zinc dew]

I hope so! I don’t use my NSO N64 controller because of the constant Bluetooth repairing

[hasty kayak]

if it wasn't for the D-Mode on the 8bitdo Mod Kit, I wouldn't use mine either.

[chilly ember]

I don't use rumble on my 8bit kit because I don't feel like re pairing it all the time

[stiff condor]

Ok so my 8bitdo controller is switched to S mode. Which one is that?

I don't have to repair mine every time though

[mild ether]

I am a little behind on testing. Is the DDR slow down in the current core?

[lament escarp]

If you're not using the image with the n64 driver you wont have issues with repairing, but also won't have rumble.

You can have controller profile for s input and dinput separately, as it's seen as two different controllers.

[last scarab]

raphnet N64 v3 uses d-input mode. Another mystery why certain adapters work and others dont. iirc, raphnet himself added support for his adapters in Mister Main right?

[inner plume]

I asked Bing to create an image of Jesus playing N64. Can't even do that. Best it can muster is Jesus playing PS2

[stiff condor]

I was unaware there was a specific image with the N64 driver built in? If in understanding that correctly.

[lament escarp]

#unstable-nightlies message it says stadia but n64 is also in it, it was added in the update before that one.

[mortal panther]

Interesting home décor choice he has there.

[lament escarp]

Why does he have a cross with himself on it?

[inner plume]

Assuming Jesus beamed himself down here to play, maybe he's doing so in a church rec center

[zinc dew]

Yeah nevermind, I'm completely wrong. Thanks for clarifying.

[mellow raft]

#unstable-nightlies message

I'm not sure if later updates included previous drivers.

There was a mega drive one too.

[lament escarp]

The stadia one has the nso, I'm using that one.

[hasty kayak]

That is the NSO mode. Glad yours works but odd most do not.

[inner plume]

Hey, we finally got some where the controller is facing the right way!

[chilly ember]

Yay

[lament escarp]

Seems he is on the stock driver, s mode works but no rumble.

[orchid nimbus]

"Rejoice - a new Nintendo 64 core has been released"

a MiSTer FPGA Discord Server celebrating the release of a new Nintendo 64 core in the style of Rembrandt van Rijn

[lament escarp]

You actually made me check test builds

[orchid nimbus]

hahahah

[inner plume]

Alright even though it did not use the N64 controller as requested, think this is my favorite one of the day

"The year is 1776. And the Console Wars had only just begun."

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[topaz otter]

did you actually beat all 200 levels?

[inner plume]

That's like the weirdest portmanteau of English and German I think I've seen

[topaz otter]

move zig move

[orchid nimbus]

was zagst du?

[lament escarp]

The mister one the console wars up to gen 5.

[orchid nimbus]

main screen turn on

[orchid nimbus]

bling blocks the word 'war'

[lament escarp]

Das war unnötig. 😦

[inner plume]

It's getting better at the N64 content

[umbral current]

if anyone's interested in Jet Force Gemini, whole intro works with ddr3 delay 56 with everdrive patch, you might even get to play a little.

[inner plume]

Oh that caption wasn't the query I used to generate it. That was just me being goofy

[chilly ember]

I played a little bit of jet force gemini a couple builds back with a save from my everdrive sd card

[inner plume]

@orchid nimbus It was "Create an image of Paul Revere playing the Nintendo 64"

[chilly ember]

Only lasted about 30 seconds before a crash

[umbral current]

I had the best luck with ddr3 delay 48 and cache delay 3 for in game, little random crashes happens when pausing but plays well mostly.

It should work a little more now hopefully, looks forward to when that update happens.

[inner plume]

@orchid nimbus Also I was able to use that phrase to generate some images, nothing about it was blocked. Although they are not very good images

[oblique remnant]

yeah on normal luckily there is a save system 🙂

[daring meteor]

Wait what is this partial writefifo

[last scarab]

oh no man, you are fine. all good 🙂

[wanton sun]

yes partial: it's using the additional ressources of the writefifo, but doesn't make the system faster yet, as the cpu is untouched, it stalls like there would be no writefifo

i mostly made this to see if any regressions are there in the fifo part itself

so far it looks ok. I tested fzero, banjo and beetle racing

[daring meteor]

Ah, but technically it does mean the fifo will only have 1 entry in it at most, no?

[wanton sun]

yes

[daring meteor]

Ah, and you assume it'll generalize well to 4 (or whatever the size was), fair enough

[wanton sun]

the fifo is a standard component so i trust it. The critical part is going from the CPUs 93.75mhz clock domain to the 62.5mhz of the memory system

[daring meteor]

Clock Domain Crossing my beloved

[oblique remnant]

quake 2 is fixed again

[wanton sun]

not really CDC here as the clocks are synchronous. However, you still have issues if you e.g. use a 62mhz pulse on the 93mhz side, because it can be 1 or 2 clocks long

quartus is smart enough to figure out that a common 187.5Mhz timing model can be used, so the logic stays synchronous

as there is not much logic in this path, it can run at this high "clock"

[daring meteor]

Oh wow Quartus does it and not you, that's surprising

Just 2 divisors at that clock, no?

[wanton sun]

no

2 clocks coming from 1 pll

[daring meteor]

Oh, even simpler

[wanton sun]

so they have the same base clock

the critical part was the transfer: a pulse on the 93mhz domain can be lost if you sample with 62 and in the other direction it can be seen double

the real n64 is also horrible slow when doing that transfer

[daring meteor]

Haha

[wanton sun]

but i think they go for full async transfer there

[native mesa]

Oh shoot gotta try interlaced!

[wanton sun]

MikeS tested it to be working. There is a minimal y offset to the real n64 of .... 1 line 😅

[mellow raft]

you know what;s sad. I think that's supposed to be the Quest64 logo in the N64 there.. just mangled

[native mesa]

Literally unplayable

[daring meteor]

What would we do with the 1 line

[last scarab]

every new N64 core released is like a special gift from Robert!

[native mesa]

Snort it

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun it amazes me how focused you are on accuracy of analog output at such a scale. is it to reach cycle accuracy of VI?

[daring meteor]

Its Mike who's doing the analog fixes

[brisk drum]

As a crt enthusiast I am super thankful for that

[zenith orchid]

Ah that's awesome. saves him a lot of time

[brisk drum]

MikeS is a goddang hero

[daring meteor]

Saviour of analog

[wanton sun]

In this case i did the change, but it would have been impossible without his measurements and explanations 🙂

[toxic pumice]

Yo, new core again. 🙂

[daring meteor]

Huh, that's a change for once haha

[native mesa]

Well don't forget Robert laid the groundwork and decision to accommodate a single RAM setup

[wanton sun]

i know nothing of that analog out part, i only build what he tells me, haha

[daring meteor]

Wasn't single ram kinda obvious from the start?

What was not obvious that it would work at all

[wanton sun]

if we had enough extra ressources in the FPGA and everyone had a second sdram, i would use it

[daring meteor]

What for? RDRAM?

[vapid hawk]

2xN64 core

[wanton sun]

currently the sdram holds: ROM, 9th bit of RAM, transfer pak, saverams. Would be easy and useful to split it

dedicated 9th bit would be nice for faster rendering

[solemn marlin]

I must confess that I haven't noticed any issues with the crt even before, did you just make it work for different models or were there improvements to the picture?

[vapid hawk]

it was only affecting 480i and kinda subtle

[daring meteor]

OSD on 480i was biggest showing

[modern sleet]

The fix went into affecting the HDMI output and I didnt watch to touch that or go down that rabbit hole as Robert knows that extremely well haha

[daring meteor]

Oooh, yeah

[vapid hawk]

has anyone got the mister active composite adapter in stock anywhere ? i kinda want one now for n64 lol

porkchops out

[thorn flax]

vga connector?

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun I guess what I mean to ask is, is VI the focus for tweaking to perfection?

[wanton sun]

i would be surprised if we cannot find and fix that last line offset also 🙂

[modern sleet]

Maybe it makes the alignment better than a real N64 😄

[zenith orchid]

impossible, that would make it inaccurate behavior 😄

[modern sleet]

My real N64's alignment of Banjo is horrendous for a consumer product haha

[zenith orchid]

but that's authentic 🤣

jokes aside, I love improvement features.. though in the spirit of preservation, wouldn't it be necessary to make them optional? tbh I'm not sure what the limits are to this general idea

[wanton sun]

i let you discuss which analog out alignment is best and focus on digital, reproducible and consistent logic instead 🙈

[lean spruce]

can you check the Mario 64 save select screen on a real N64 compared with core on a CRT? I want to see if the core still shifts the image more to the left.

[native mesa]

Schrodinger's CRT

[zenith orchid]

analog alignment: original/optimized

[native mesa]

Most cores just have an X Y +- offset option

[lean spruce]

only JT cores as far as I know

[vapid hawk]

most real consoles (or real tv's) have RGB shift and stuff too

[zenith orchid]

but it would be neat if those TVs recognize the core and the real console the same way

[plush summit]

So I got around playing Majora's Mask, what's the issue with the Bomber's Notebook? is it displaying at a different resolution?

[wanton sun]

it's 480i yes

but there should still be no issue with it

[lean spruce]

I just checked MM and Bombers notebook looks great

Its beautiful

[plush summit]

Really? Does the Shadow Mask/Scanlines work?

For some reason, it entirely disables all image processing

[vapid hawk]

scanlines are disabled at 480i

shadowmasks stay

[plush summit]

Oh okay, the Bomber's Notebook looks so clean on the MiSTer, no complaints

[marble cargo]

Will there be an option for bob and weave for interlaced content, like the PS1 core?

[wanton sun]

no, bob is horrible anyway

seriously, did anyone use it on psx?

[vapid hawk]

i did

[zinc dew]

NOPE

[weary palm]

No

[marble cargo]

I like bob...

[vapid hawk]

bobs good for actual gameplay, weaves good for menus

[zinc dew]

@vapid hawk is the strongest of us here, he can survive Bob gameplay

[lean spruce]

Tekken 3?

[weary palm]

It hurts my eyes

[vapid hawk]

yeah mostly for tekken3

[zinc dew]

oh ok

[lean spruce]

yeah a bit too much combing with weave, for Tekken 3 specifically

[daring meteor]

Technically the core displayed at bob both here and on PSX when interlaced wasn't implemented lol

(On analog tho)

[wanton sun]

i mean, it's not difficult to add, mostly costing a OSD status bit...

[daring meteor]

If anyone wants a special bob core its really simple to implement I think, I can do it myself lol

[vapid hawk]

thing is for bob to actually look like - actually good, you need to have scanlines that are also bobbing

rt5x calls this "crt simulation"

ossc calls it "alternating scanlines"

given the number of n64 games with actual 480i gameplay maybe someone could take another look at that idea now

[wanton sun]

it would still flicker a lot

better invest some time into a 480p output 🙂

[vapid hawk]

it does yeah but its... hard to explain, it looks very crt like

[zenith orchid]

is it good looking flicker?

[vapid hawk]

yeah kinda, like BFI

[zenith orchid]

that's cool then

[wanton sun]

then you would need line spacing

[vapid hawk]

i think it has to be at half-line offsets or something, mikechi explained it to me once

[modern sleet]

This sounds familiar

[daring meteor]

Question

[native mesa]

Aww yeah that's a good looking bomber's notebook

[daring meteor]

Does someone even use the swap interlaced option?

[vapid hawk]

wasn't that a workaround for something thats fixed now?

[wanton sun]

it's the debug menu, don't enter!

[daring meteor]

Oh right haha

[wanton sun]

yes, it was a workaround when interlace wasn't working

i leave it in for now for testing purposes

[daring meteor]

Fair enough

[native mesa]

What's the reason for loading progress bar not showing on analog out?

[lean spruce]

Yeah, I dont see the bar also

[wanton sun]

core is in reset, not producing syncs

[native mesa]

Pokemon Stadium 2 menus looking crisp

[lean spruce]

the core really is beautiful now

[modern sleet]

It was beautiful when we saw mario racing around a track in a black box

[lean spruce]

ageed, I´m still in disbelieve

[daring meteor]

Well not mario, it was a black box racing around a track

[vapid hawk]

3d graphics on mister still amazes me every time i see it

[lean spruce]

I wonder how close the core is in timings

[vapid hawk]

getting closer every day

actually now video async is in can we start marking stuff perfect?

[wanton sun]

last time i asked, most voted to wait for cpu and rsp to be complete and memory slowed down

it will change the timing a lot, so probably better

[lean spruce]

it has to get worse for it go be perfect. Ah the irony

[wanton sun]

also it means that games are tested again when the features are in, which is very useful also for possible regression

[daring meteor]

Considering we already have DDR3 delay, isn't that enough on the memory front, or is slowdown more complicated?

[native mesa]

Are there any games that use 480i during 3d?

[daring meteor]

Plenty

Star Wars Racer

[zinc dew]

N64 core is the greatest!

[native mesa]

now this is pod racing

[wanton sun]

yes, because it doesn't slow down the bandwidth. An accurate "model" would count the cycles it would take the real n64 for the full memory transfer and then apply a wait until that time has passed. Also it must compensate for when our DDR3 is lower (due to shared with HPS and Scaler) by making the next transfers faster by that amount of time that was "lost"

my goal is to have some example test programs that do some memory accesses from the CPU and/or DMAs and measure if after 100 runs or so, the cycle count is about the same

[quick arch]

On VRally 99 there is a blue row at the left of Infograme logo screen maybe it is present on real hardware if someone could check

[daring meteor]

Ah

[wanton sun]

if no one can check with hdmi modded n64, i can do it tomorrow, have to leave for today @quick arch

[fair stump]

Looks like the Tom and Jerry character select screen was fixed again. And I think there's now additional sparkling effects I hadn't seen before

[zinc dew]

that's the trauma from playing the tom and jerry game

[lean spruce]

As always thanks so much @wanton sun

[zinc dew]

I'm kidding I hear it's similar to power stone but just like way worse

[fair stump]

Too many tennis rackets and potted plants to the head

I have no idea when it happened, but Nightmare Creatures finally stopped being a 5 fps slideshow

[quick arch]

thanks !

[lament escarp]

I know this is a couple of builds old, but finally we can crop off the lan plug not connected icon in hyrule field!

[languid dune]

But what about Saturn?

[cerulean elk]

ooh new core...whats the story? was doing voice overs

[lament escarp]

By process of elimination, it is not.

[cerulean elk]

analog fixes....any games improved? Read notes, unclear

[daring meteor]

Fixes regression

[vapid hawk]

otherwise nothing major - prep for fifo

[cerulean elk]

bingo thx

[lament escarp]

FIFA?

[solemn marlin]

Wonder how viable 480i homebrew stuff is.. like for 3d

[vapid hawk]

portal64 is doing a 480i mode so.. yes

[solemn marlin]

Ohh wow didn't know, that's so cool

Want to try it but I can't build shit, I do have portal on steam so if someone wants to help me out, yknow, my dms are open 🥺

[vapid hawk]

except instead of a rom you patch a specific file from portal

[solemn marlin]

Yea I know, would have to install steam and portal tho, I have like 400mbs of space, my laptop is a mess

[vapid hawk]

its just like patching a rom

[solemn marlin]

I did it for doom so I understand that part

[zinc dew]

Saturn is also the greatest!

all I'm saying, 5th gen is better than everything else

[coral ice]

Hello all! I’ve been using my original N64 pads with the 4dapter controller adapter and I’ve noticed that if I push the sticks firmly to the edges left/right, the input snaps all the way to the opposite direction. I’ve tried 3 different original controllers and they all do the same thing. Not sure if this is an issue with the adapter or if the core is just interpreting the inputs oddly.

[thorn flax]

shout out to today's update.

480i over analog has never looked better

even that rogue half scanline is fixed

[modern sleet]

Thank the oscilloscope

[cerulean elk]

doing some new captures now...anyone have any requests?

[lone geyser]

Man forgot about memtest

[modern sleet]

Nhl99 because Canada, and it was the core I did all my testing on to fix the interlaced issue haha

[brisk drum]

My rap name is shadow mask

[brisk drum]

Beetle adventure racing

[fair stump]

Vivid dolls

[cerulean elk]

eat it @brisk drum

[worn delta]

On a related note to Vivid Dolls, are the Aleck 64 games still booting into service menus and if so do we know why that is?

[compact skiff]

Doom 64: Complete Edition

[fair stump]

I only just now read up on what Aleck 64 was. What a weird name

[plush summit]

For real, I though y'all were just making up names

[brisk drum]

Aleck 64 sounds like it’s suppose to be a bible verse

“And now a reading from the book of aleck 64, please kneel “

[plush summit]

Aleck 64 sounds like a questionable homebrew rom

[lone geyser]

    And the people gathered in the sacred arcade, where the wonders of Aleck64 were revealed unto them.

    And lo, there were joysticks and buttons, and the people marveled at the 3D graphics and the immersive gameplay.

    And the voice of the announcer proclaimed, "Choose your character and begin the battle!" And the people did choose, and they did battle in the virtual realm.

    In Aleck64, the high scores were the measure of a person's worth, and the leaderboards were the tablets of destiny.

    And the people played on, for they knew not the passage of time in the sacred arcade, where the outside world ceased to exist.

    And in the end, they did insert more tokens into the machine, for their quest for victory and glory was insatiable.

    And the legend of Aleck64 was passed down through the generations, a testament to the power of gaming to unite and captivate the hearts of all who dared to play.

    Thus, in the Book of Aleck, Chapter 64, we are reminded that in the realm of the arcade, there are no limitations, only endless possibilities for fun and adventure.

Some ChaptGPT for you. It refused to do anything if I asked it to mention Vivid Dolls

[fleet gull]

Not entirely sure if this is supported yet, but is there a way to load and use saves off my carts with the MiSTer core yet?

[viral portal]

Not without conversion, I don't think.

[river shale]

I lost some save data with this latest core update - or maybe it's a database update? Looks like some rom hacks are missing their save data. I will look more closely later. Just wondering if this happened to anyone else?

[quaint pewter]

Prequel to Brian 64

[brisk drum]

So it is written so it shall be done

https://tenor.com/view/letitbewritten-letitbedone-gif-26590002

[daring meteor]

I keep reading Aleck 64 as the Semitic word

Like its mocking the 64 bits

[cerulean elk]

I have a fun joke to make in the next preview video...who wants to be the butt of it?

[deft tree]

Robby

[mortal panther]

He gets enough of that here. 😄

[brisk drum]

LEAVE ROBBY ALONE!

[cerulean elk]

this game is not rated appropriately...Spiderman no! STOP!

[brisk drum]

Spider splooge

[tender pine]

These accurate results anybody know?

Felt quite sensitive while testing some games.

[rose crypt]

I've been away for two weeks, any big games now booting that weren't?

[zinc dew]

LOL I know omg

I’ll have the last laugh when Robert gives exclusive access to the TLB core and I’ll lord it over y’all.

[mortal panther]

That's not for you to decide.

[latent galleon]

that looks like an average good result

[tender pine]

Cheers. What should a new official N64 controller show do you know?

[latent galleon]

what you are seeing is what a new actual N64 controller shows plugged into an actual N64 console afaik

but mister is doing some scaling behind the scenes

[tender pine]

Ok. Thank you @latent galleon

[latent galleon]

@tender pine what did you mean by new official N64?

[tender pine]

I mean original OEM N64 wired controller.

The ones which N64 launched with back in the day.

[latent galleon]

what controller did you test with?

[tender pine]

I tested it with my own N64 OEM controller via the Raphnet adapter.

[solemn marlin]

Portal is so cool but surely it's not running in 480i?

[latent galleon]

@tender pine ok, just asking because that has to do translation to USB, but you really should be pretty good. looks perfect, unlike most original controllers kicking around

[tender pine]

To be fair it's not my original bought back in the day controller but one I had sitting about as a sort of spare to the backup controller so it's not had much use.

Like I say, feels a good stick but just felt maybe a bit oversensitive testing 1080 snowboarding, but it's been AGES since I originally played it.

[latent galleon]

well

now that i am thinking about it, does the raphnet do any kind of range or shape scaling for the controller?

because if the adapter and mister are effing around in there i could see it getting weird

man n64 controllers are an absolute nightmare

especially if you are adapting third party controllers with different gate shapes and ranges, plus whatever the emulator/mister is doing to fix it

that is for the other direction, btw

[mortal panther]

On the screen where it says Press A to cycle results, the next one shown should be a typical stock N64 controller.

[plush summit]

Not with Reflex™️

[latent galleon]

haha

[plush summit]

Seriously though, the Reflex Adapt is crazy good, plug in and just go

[languid dune]

Can't wait for the restock of Reflex Adapt.

[latent galleon]

there is no such thing as plug and go, not really...raphnet is also plug and go, it's more about issues that have to be fixed somewhere along the way once you plug into the N64

mister does it for us though

[plush summit]

Well the Adapt's N64 profile was made in tandem with the core

[latent galleon]

adapters probably just pass values through since it is usb, and nobody is playing an N64 controller that only does +/-80 to play doom eternal

hopefully

i'd personally be happy with reflex/raphnet/daemonbite for just about anything, although raphnet might have a little additional latency

[chilly ember]

You gotta beat superman 64 first

[plush summit]

I just kinda regret not picking up a SNAX, since N64 accessories aren't Adapt compatible

[latent galleon]

it's like porkchop hates money

[plush summit]

Well its really because Adapt is mainly a digital thing, its not Xinput natively

[latent galleon]

adaptive scanlines are currently missing, yes?

[fair stump]

Yeah

[latent galleon]

more noticeable than i thought it would be

but it definitely jumps out at me

[elfin depot]

Just get both! you only live once.

[latent galleon]

oh i figured snax was just out of stock, thus the joke about hating money

@coral ice

maybe somebody in here knows

[elfin depot]

I believe he's waiting on a few things for final assembly, should be this month back in stock

[latent galleon]

yeah, it seems like no matter how much he orders of anything it sells out

[elfin depot]

hard to judge demand, and if you preorder...well nobody likes preorders so rock-hardplace

[latent galleon]

demand = high, every time

[chilly ember]

Rock hard demand

[elfin depot]

Also the "Sold out" on his website sometimes means 'coming soon', as in the product hasn't been officially released yet, it's just a placeholder (I think it might be a shopify limitation? not sure) so best thing to do is sign up for email back in stock notifications and buy when they go live again.

[coral ice]

Haha! My bad. I should have thought to go back to Timvilles GitHub to see if there were any updates. Thanks guys! I appreciate the time.

[plush summit]

Yeah, thinking of SNAX64 since apparently it's SNAX with 2 extra ports

I'm aware that ports 3 and 4 are 64 only

[elfin depot]

Highly recommend it. Everything just works, so nice.

[latent galleon]

dedicated mister cart

[brisk drum]

I need me one of those

[elfin depot]

One of three 🙂

[elfin depot]

Goobermint auctions or FB Marketplace

[fierce garden]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-bullion-gold-gif-20032052

[elfin depot]

Gold is the best passivly cooled case!

[fierce garden]

Yes!

I’m a gold member too

[elfin depot]

||https://tenor.com/view/vip-important-im-important-golden-ticket-gold-card-gif-20283080|| sorry, repeating gif

[stiff condor]

I've switched my 8bitdo mod kit to D input and 2 of the c buttons aren't detected. Is this expected behavior?

[fallen sparrow]

Spider Jizz....
Spider Jizz....
Does whatever Spider-Jizz can....
Swing a web?.....
No, it's Spider-Jizz...
Lookout, here cums the Spider-Jizz

[cerulean elk]

Lol really went hard there

[cerulean elk]

But I will say a joke made the video for tomorrow

[fallen sparrow]

That's what she said

[modern sleet]

V is now aligned to match a real console, ill check H position later. I dont think anyone would have noticed 1 line anyways haha

[zenith orchid]

does it vary much between console revisions?

or between regional models?

[modern sleet]

I only have an OG N64 🙃

[true bobcat]

Is Mario party 3 working ?

[latent galleon]

oh that reminds me i have to order a saturn svideo cable...and i guess an svideo to yc adapter?

oof

[elfin depot]

phrasing!

[plucky nymph]

Experienced the same thing

[chilly ember]

Set it as the right stick in osd before loading N64 core

[stiff condor]

Ok thanks

[latent galleon]

also d is a little faster than s

[modern sleet]

Here is the horizontal offset on the N64 core

For Banjo

roughly 6 pixels

To fix this you just shift hsync by 6 to the right

[orchid nimbus]

Nice

[dusty tusk]

This is the borderline obsessive attention to detail I really appreciate

[brisk drum]

Picture perfect YALL!

[solemn marlin]

Would it be possible to have these controls in the core? Real n64 might be real but it looks more off center at times

[modern sleet]

Fixed

[compact depot]

Impossible core has gotten better than real hardware

[weary palm]

Does [ControllerPak/RumblePak/TransferPak] On/Off under System Settings serve any purpose?

[mortal panther]

Inconceivable!

[weary palm]

Nah, I'm wearing clean underwear and I want to keep it that way for a few more hours.

[mortal panther]

So if you manage to make the next one better, will it be called N64TruerSync.rbf? 😏

[modern sleet]

It cant be better, this is exactly the same offset as a real N64

[vapid hawk]

N64YouCan'tHandleTheTrueSync.rbf

[mortal panther]

Culminating in N64MostestTruestSync.rbf. 🤣

[modern sleet]

Well, unless there is something off in a specifc game, or region. I can only check NTSC compared to my original console 🙂

[mortal panther]

Thanks for the work you've put in to this and everything else you do. That's awesome.

[desert crow]

I'm certainly glad MikeS is into analog video 👍

[zinc dew]

Any new fixes with today’s build I should check out?

[vapid hawk]

was mainly prep for write-fifo, but still dormant

[brisk drum]

#1096015979055697940 message

Wait nvm .. you don’t even game on crt like a true retro pimp

[mortal panther]

Well, by now I'm sure you noticed since you play it every day that there was a regression and Quest 64 no longer loads. Sorry Robby. 😦

[brisk drum]

I been playing lunar silver star complete on the psx core ..

Long live the psx core forever!

[mortal panther]

Excellent choice!

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-television-glitch-cartoon-channel-gif-17651726

[mortal panther]

Perfectly balanced.

[stiff condor]

As all things should be

[zinc dew]

I love selecting Jago in KI Gold and right when the fight is about to start against Sabrewulf, he explodes in giant sparks and turns into me lmao.

100% repro rate too

[zinc dew]

I got worried and loaded my save game. It still works, phew!

[mortal panther]

Don't worry... I'll turn myself in.

...right meow.

[carmine kettle]

what feature needs for xeno crisis to run?

[mortal panther]

I haven't found the right combination of settings yet for that one. I just gave up.

[carmine kettle]

fudge, it freezes on selecting the language or i get lucky and play and a little then freezes

[mortal panther]

Same

[carmine kettle]

probably something not implemented yet or half implemented.

[zinc dew]

@mortal panther damnit, now I’m playing Quest 64 because of you

[lament escarp]

Lucky you!

[mortal panther]

Don't you put that evil on me, Bicky Robby!

[zinc dew]

Like this game has the engine and battle system for a quality light hearted RPG. But it seriously feels like someone just wanted to transplant a bottom tier NES RPG story and scenario into 3D then called it a day.

It’s so utterly bare bones, like it’s a prototype for a bigger and better game.

[lament escarp]

I genuinely disagree. Brian is the most relatable jrpg protagonist imo. You're not a cool soldier like cloud strife, you're not a demon taming badass like in smt, you're a goofy ass little shit with no friends, just like brian.

[zinc dew]

Perfect

[worn delta]

Did nobody dress as Brian for Halloween? I feel that is a massively missed opportunity.

[deft tree]

you'd just get mistaken for Alfafa with a cane

[quaint rune]

That was brilliant lol 👏🏼

[random portal]

dang, dinosaur planet loops when someone is falling

[hasty musk]

@wanton sun

Robert

would love to see that

[hollow rune]

Eat a lot of bread

also relateable

[barren zinc]

@weary palm Turns out the Irish store ships to Sweden if you want one.

[weary palm]

A snac adapter?

[barren zinc]

@weary palm I should have quoted, sorry, i meant the joysticks. De går att beställa från nintendos irländska sida. Ships to swärje.

You do need a membership though..

[short trellis]

Jag beställde från tyska sidan. Funkade också utmärkt. [I ordered from the German site. Worked well.]

[barren zinc]

@short trellis My german is non existant, english site felt easier to navigate.

And Ireland is still eu.

[short trellis]

Yes, that's probably smarter. I used the translation function in Safari 🙂

[barren zinc]

Hey, whatever works!

[lament escarp]

German is easy. I could already speak it as a kid. 😄

[weary palm]

I will not get a membership. I don't even own a Switch. Too bad. 😅

[quaint pewter]

Oh Nintendo... {sigh}

[zinc dew]

Nintendo doesn’t like rom hacks

It’s a guarantee you’re playing a game illegally in their eyes

[quaint pewter]

Even if you started the video by waving a n64 and a mario 64 cart in front of the camera before you start... They don't care. They want you to play games how they say and no other way.

[zinc dew]

I think that’s a byproduct of them wanting to stop people advertising piracy and not the intended goal.

[elfin relic]

I think it's a by product of not wanting their child friendly Mario associated with shotguns, and a dash of trademark protection for taste

[cerulean elk]

I did a victory lap video for this week 🤣 when five months ago I said Nintendo would guaranteed go after emulation this year. Got accused of fear mongering

Gonna be a lotta crow to eat soon

[zinc dew]

lol that too

[cerulean elk]

Their new guidelines are asinine

[zinc dew]

actually probably mostly that

[cerulean elk]

Literally says you cannot show gameplay from any non-official Nintendo hardware

By their rules MiSTer videos would be “infringement” 😂

[zinc dew]

I think major youtubers really need to stop talking about piracy handhelds from China.

That’s the big driving force behind the crack downs imo

[cerulean elk]

Oh yes they def poked the bear and I said as much

It’ll be a fun vid. One clause says only individuals can use footage, not companies. So technically every YT channel that’s a business on paper would be disallowed from ever showing Nintendo games

[zinc dew]

I’m no legal expert here but talking about a niche DIY device that you purchase from specialty shops and put together is a completely different world then purchasing a handheld from China preloaded with pirated roms from the largest online marketplace in the world.

[cerulean elk]

As someone who’s spend 20 years dealing with IP / copyright / etc on the entertainment business side I can say Nintendo has zero legal standing in the US with these rules…but that won’t stop them

[elfin relic]

Nintendo is law where I stand, lol

[native mesa]

They have ninjas in every shadow

[elfin relic]

little hanafuda company in Kyoto got weight

[zinc dew]

That’s on YOU, next time don’t vote for Yamauchi for president

[elfin relic]

I can't even vote ;_;

[zinc dew]

lol that’s right

[cerulean elk]

They will just send takedown notices and then it’ll be “small YouTuber against Nintendo”…you don’t need to be legally right if you are Nintendo…you just need to be “the massive company”

[zinc dew]

Yeah exactly, money makes right lol

[elfin relic]

hello yes capitalism called and said fuck you

[cerulean elk]

So much of our law is predicated on being outspent by parties who know they have no legal path towards a win

[elfin relic]

(not that that excuses Nintendo)

[zinc dew]

I think you’re right though. I’m not too sure a copyright claim would be filed for a video showing that ghostly manor rom hack for example

Mario with a shotgun is most definitely against the Mario image

[cerulean elk]

I think if anyone uses “hack / mod / etc” in their title Nintendo will see it

[elfin relic]

wowee zowee

[zinc dew]

Yah

[cerulean elk]

Even if it’s a 60p hack

[elfin relic]

have you tried just leaving luck to heaven

seems to have worked for one of the parties

[cerulean elk]

I mentioned that clause in the video too and gave that one to Nintendo. Basically said I don’t blame them if you show their characters in a negative / inappropriate light. Can’t blame Nintendo for not wanting that

I could understand them not wanting a family friendly character blasting goombas in the face with a double barrel

[zinc dew]

lololol

[elfin relic]

meanwhile Sega tries to get interest by giving dark sonic a gun

Sega does what nintendont

[cerulean elk]

Nintendo is coming out looking like SHIT here for sure

everyone not Nintendo is just like "ok yeah cool whatever" and Nintendo goes all sex crazy and hulk strong on the world

itll help people realize game companies are not their "friends" though. That Nintendo and by proxy Sony and MS dont give a care in the world for them. They are all business trying to maximize profits and investor returns

Mario will stab you in the gut in an alley if he thinks it'll help the stock price

[elfin relic]

turns out corpos only care about profits for shareholders and we are only here to give them money

who knew

[zinc dew]

MiSTer is my friend though. It talks to me at night about how I’ve been a good boy and the day of retro reckoning is at hand

[elfin relic]

sorry I made a mistake, money and labor

[cerulean elk]

gaming companies have an advantage as they seem to be super sucessful at convincing fans they care about them

[hollow rune]

I too talk to my MiSTer. It is quality conversation

[cerulean elk]

my wife heard me doing voice overs sunday and she realized I talk to myself a lot when I screw up lines

[hollow rune]

The history of Nintendo in gaming is full of anti-consumer behavior

[cerulean elk]

"wtf VGE...was that even a word? Get it right dummy"

[zinc dew]

We call that anti-aliasing.

[hollow rune]

If all out MiSTer's were together what would they talk about?

[elfin relic]

I'm not sure it's not so much of a thing anymore, but there was a point in time where you could get parts from Nintendo directly

which was cool and repair friendly

so that was a neat part of history

[hollow rune]

I am sure they would be nice friends and be like, hey, you need to get your owner to get that real time clock. I know you have wifi, but I believe you deserve better treatment

[elfin relic]

I've got two misters, one with dual ram and RTC, one with analog I/o (and no RTC), both in al cases

they'd beat all your misters up

[fair stump]

"Where's your case? Put some clothes on, man."

[cerulean elk]

I put my two MiSTers together...a week later a third showed up

[deft tree]

Ur mister doesn’t even JAMMA bro

[hollow rune]

There would be JAMMA envy for sure

[cerulean elk]

if you use an ethernet cable and connect the ports that's how MiSTers get made

Marvin Gaye helps

[fair stump]

Mine would brag about all its dongles

[elfin relic]

I imagine JAMMA misters like cartoon characters with headgear

why couldn't I be perfect like hdmi

[cerulean elk]

hey dont be talking shit on JAMMA

Ive got more JAMMA boards than any one human should

next you will shit on JVS

[elfin relic]

just saying JAMMA got a lot of teeth with overbite

JAMMA deez nuts

[cerulean elk]

JAMMA is king. So easy to work on / mod. Big giant edge connector of possibilities

I’ve got an arcade board arriving today and I’ll be converting it right to JAMMA (if it works. Somebody got drunk and went on eBay again and bought untested stuff)

[mild ether]

Only thing better than drunk eBay is drunk Yahoo Japan.

[hollow rune]

How do you store all that stuff?

[cerulean elk]

Very big closet

Like a walk in

[mild ether]

Except untested in Japanese definitely means we tested it thoroughly and it definitely doesn't work.

[hollow rune]

I was imagining a compound in Arkansas, but that's not your vibe

We have a wardrobe with everything in it

Most things in it, some overflow exists

[neat sierra]

That’s all untested on eBay as well

Untested = it’s broke

It’s broke but we are going to sell it at over half its value sucker

[mild ether]

Very likely the case but I got some working things untested from eBay and with Japanese sellers they always didn't work. Probably just luck.

Got a BVM untested that was just fine on eBay.

[neat sierra]

Yeah TBF I’ve had some working stuff that was untested, def there are exceptions

Assume broken and hope for a pleasant surprise

[cerulean elk]

Haha yes. This is untested not from an arcade seller so I have a shot

[mild ether]

Fair gamble, that is how I have gotten things that work too. Sellers that it's plausible they don't have the means of testing. Like recyclers.

[zinc dew]

yeah, I’ve gotten really cheap controllers that way, but it’s always a gamble

[cerulean elk]

Exactly. This was from a recycling reseller

So I know they don’t know how to test. Photos looked clean. Still a gamble but 🤷🏻‍♂️

[mortal panther]

I usually equate "Not Tested" on eBay as "it might work, but we couldn't be bothered to check, as we practically have a warehouse full of this junk to list and get rid of before the next pile arrives".

"For Parts" on the other hand = "Broke".

[cerulean elk]

If it’s a JAMMA or JVS board sold as “untested” and the seller shows other JAMMA / JVS boards working that’s a telltale “it’s broken and we know it” scam

This seller is selling JAMMA boards tested but no jvs tested so still a dice roll

Good thing is with this stuff if I get tired of trying to make it work I know others that’ll give me what I paid to take the next stab at it so it’s pretty minimal risk. Plus the risk is kind of the thrill lol

[tender pine]

What's the best way to get games which are very bordered to display in a 5x crop/1080p (over) way?

[chrome quest]

What's the resolution in the horizontal? I think 5x is not so useful on N64, could be wrong.

[knotty zealot]

Himynameisawbaconandtodaywehavesomehugenewsonthefpgacommunityroberthascorrectionaledsomeerrorsohmygodthatsnowwhatimeantineedtorerecordeverythingpleaseleaveathumbsupandillseeyouinmynextvideo.

[cerulean elk]

Lol you misspelled video game esoterica

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/breathe-in-breathe-out-floyd-jackson-house-of-payne-inhale-exhale-breathing-exercise-gif-23964154

[tender pine]

Honestly I've no idea the resolution on the horizontal. I'm a total noob. I just know via N64 pixel FX that 5x and 6x are amazing to use more real TV estate.

[knotty zealot]

i'm waiting for the tlc update video @cerulean elk

in my universe it's tlc. don't go chasin' sonic waterfalls.

[cerulean elk]

Nah TLB…tender loving bits

[neat sierra]

The Last Boss

[wanton sun]

crop by 12 in OSD = 216 height x5 = 1080

[cerulean elk]

@brisk drum Taco Loves (the) Bears

[brisk drum]

Bears suck!

No seriously though they are terrible ..

[cerulean elk]

Nope that’s what TLB stands for. Taco Loves Bears

And yes they are terrible. Not my team. But my team (patriots) suck now too so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[solemn marlin]

The only up mario patch seems slightly better but it might be my imagination

Which part of the n64 affects framerate stuff?

[cerulean elk]

Oh that exists now? Lol

[solemn marlin]

It's so good, mario actually controls well so it's much better imo

Most games could do with a mario

[cerulean elk]

I’d tuck it into a vid but it’s weird times with Nintendo so it’s gonna be real lean on mods for MiSTer vids

[solemn marlin]

It's a bit hard on the eyes now tho even if it's playable, kaze likes flexing his muscles and make the n64 do mario in 60fps

There's flickering but the core also interprets some camera logic incorrectly so you can't see where you're walking at the start

Diddy kong racing high fps patch (40? 50?) also feels like it's working better, you could show that, it looks perfect to me

[solemn marlin]

The weakest n64 rom hacker

[stiff condor]

This image scares me

[daring meteor]

Fastmem is off by default?

[wanton sun]

Todays build does implement the writefifo, which will speed up the CPU by maybe 10% depending on what the game does. To compensate i integrated the first RDRAM slowdown for read/writes from the CPU. You can get the full speed via the fast ram debug option. But be aware that most games on n64 are bound by GPU performance not CPU (like PSX), so the effect is near zero in real world

maybe for games like starcraft that slow down with many units on screen? no idea if that is a cpu limit situation

[daring meteor]

Wait, first rdram slowdown?

There are others?

Ah for non CPU

[wanton sun]

this is only for CPU, RDRAM also needs slowdown for other components(RSP, GPU, VI, AI)

[daring meteor]

Fair enough

[stuck summit]

I wonder how does it compare with n64 cpu overclocks

[wanton sun]

e.g. random 32bit rdram read from the cpu costs between 36 and 44 cycles for the real n64. It's variable due to refresh. On the core it's now 36 on average. With fastmem it's 26 on average

[daring meteor]

Technically it's still slower because of load stalling I think

[pure ocean]

Is this the first step to control all the sections (CPU, RDP, etc.) to set the correct speed later?

[wanton sun]

well yes, but the effect of load stalling should be minimal. You can imagine that when a load takes 36-44 cycles, it doesn't really matter much if you stall for 1 cycle more or less. For cached data it might be more important, but i wouldn't expect noticeable gains. Still, i want to make it accurate so i will try to do it. Hopefully it works out with the timing/max frequency for the cpu

[pure ocean]

And I guess 10% CPU speedup can help for TLB. Better have headroom to cut than to have limitations

[wanton sun]

it doesn't help tlb, the performance of the cpu has nothing to do with TLB

[pure ocean]

But you said you aprox. to reach only 65Mhz in TLB mode and you need some tricks for speedup

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun paper mario regression on statup logos ... Someone else said they don't have the same issue. I know papermario doesn't work in game

[wanton sun]

i don't plan to go below 93.75mhz yet for tlb

[pure ocean]

Oh, I didn't know or it changed and I lost track

[wanton sun]

maybe the tlb page switch will cost slightly more due to not searching all 32 table entries in 1 clock cycle, but we are talking about some tens clock cycles there

depends on how often the game switches the table/process, but given less than 1000 process switches per second, this should all stay below 0.1% performance

today we gained about 10% and i found no game where it makes a difference...

[wanton sun]

works here

fresh core load

[fair stump]

Yeah, I checked as well and don't have that issue

[tropic sand]

How odd... I'll retry a differ ent rom and reload. Thanks for checking

[wanton sun]

also no worries, the whole TLB topic is still vague, so it's all speculation until it's really done 🙂

[pure ocean]

I'm not worried. Even if there is no TLB. I'm just interested technically. 🙂

[daring meteor]

Vague yet with each core update it looms closer haha

[fair stump]

How's the overall size looking?

[wanton sun]

first i want to try if the load delay can be removed. It will make the critical path in the cpu more difficult, because the operand forward needs to be a 3:1 instead of a 2:1 mux. If that drops the timing to bad, i will skip it

[wanton sun]

83% logic is filled. Currently about 50% of the build have slacks above 2ns, which I consider non-ship-able

[daring meteor]

Yes, that was what I expected, but isn't it like the final major "blocker"

[wanton sun]

what do you mean with blocker?

the idea behind is relativly simple and the psx core cpu already has that feature, so it is only annoying to search for bugs if any appear. But the question is what quartus builds of it

[daring meteor]

Thing you want to do before TLB

[wanton sun]

well, i will try it before TLB, yes. but it's no prequisite. If it doesn't work with our FPGA speed, i will skip it

i don't mind using bad fpga timing for development. I had quartus runs with maximum 65mhz for the cpu running at 93.75 for 5 hours of banjo attract mode without issues, but i cannot deliver that as release

so if it's impossible to get a >80mhz timing closure, i cannot give it out and tell you it's a stable build

in this case, i rather skip such a feature and we live with minor timing inaccuracy

instead of having builds that crash random

[lean spruce]

Is it possible to bring back the loading screen on analoge?

[daring meteor]

Hopefully it's no big deal

[wanton sun]

bring back? was it ever there?

[lean spruce]

I´m not sure actually lol! maybe I´m confused as I have used it on HDMI when analoge was not working that well

[wanton sun]

some artificial sync could be done when the core is in reset, sure, but it all costs ressources and i don't see the need currently to spend it for that

[lean spruce]

yeah if it cost resources then dont do it.

Its just a little bit concerning when loading RE2 or something that big

[wanton sun]

i rather spend the ressources on fast rom load 😉

[lean spruce]

Thats the engineer thinking 👍

[solemn marlin]

Mario 60fps patch no longer works

I have an older undated core here that plays it even if it has issues with slowdowns in more intensive areas, newest core gives me an out of sync message and black screen

[daring meteor]

Check what core broke it

[zinc dew]

Ohhh excited to test new core and the new fastmem option

Is toggling fastmem on improving perf or bringing perf back to original values?

[daring meteor]

Improving perf

[wanton sun]

writefifo is bringing more performance and always on. Fastmem is using previous rdram timings. If on, the cpu is now faster as before. With it off, about as fast as before

[zinc dew]

For “accurate to original” performance, should fastmem be on or off?

[wanton sun]

it's debug function currently, so usually you should not touch it. I will make it a general turbo feature later combined with other things

[zinc dew]

You spoil us, thank you.

[wanton sun]

fastmem off = more accurate

[cerulean elk]

Interesting stuff

[lean spruce]

Its so cool to be able to manipulate both performance and looks to your hearts content with this core. The core just ridiculously good

[cerulean elk]

So this will not INCREASE performance compared to prev cores, but we can get closer to real hardware performance with it throttled back? An I reading that right?

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-wine-wine-country-wine-dance-gif-15085091

[wanton sun]

ok, starcraft theory proves to be true: it's CPU bound

[wanton sun]

yes

[native mesa]

Not sure if this has been asked or answered but does the fastmem match the speed of previous versions?

[plush summit]

Apparently Analogue 3D is going to have overclocking options, if games are tied to hardware with little to no effect, does that mean the GPU/CPU has to be written as a faster component? or it is a more hacky solution?

[carmine kettle]

i thought this fix will play xeno crisis

[solemn marlin]

20231103 is the one that breaks mario 60 fps, crt output

[daring meteor]

Ah

[wanton sun]

it's the async change

does the 60fps hack work on real hardware with crt?

[cerulean elk]

Got it. Thx. So I can better explain it thurs or Fri

[solemn marlin]

Idk it might not, I wish I had an everdrive to test

[pure ocean]

Back 2 the roots and the beginning of development: Has anyone tried "2 blokes and a chair" again? I have. And audio still stutters and picture is a slideshow at 0-2FPS. I wonder what it looks on real hardware.

[weary perch]

seeing a new error in Battlezone: Rise of the Black Dogs - E4000000. also saw occasional frames of ground textures corrupting which i had not seen in yesterday's build (though only briefly tested) @wanton sun

audio still crackles as before

[wanton sun]

oh, the new error flag

[solemn marlin]

It's og hardware compatible, seems weird that they wouldn't test on crt

[wanton sun]

thanks for telling me, i will take a look at battlezone why it pops up

[wanton sun]

maybe this screenshot makes it more clear

the new feature makes the cpu faster, slower memory access speed brings it back to about previous speed

the question was for a real n64

i currently don't know what weird output the hack sets for the VI that makes crts not work

[carmine kettle]

made xeno crsis to work but it goes to the game then freezes

[wanton sun]

xeno crisis is using libdragon, which still has random crash issues on the core

[cerulean elk]

Well outside of StarCraft if anyone finds any big diffs @ me so I can get em in a vid!

[fierce girder]

It’s been working fine on an Everdrive and CRT here

[native mesa]

This is exciting. Might try 30fps Zelda tonight

[fierce girder]

I haven’t played through the entire rom hack but I haven’t run into issues

[wanton sun]

if anyone sees the new error flag in other games, please ping me

[brisk drum]

A new error flag has entered the ring

[orchid nimbus]

Once my Rona is not kicking my ass anymore I’ll update the decoder

[wanton sun]

i didn't upate the readme as always...

fixed, it's updated now