Nintendo 64

[native mesa]

Ooooweeee

Here I go Ultra 64ing again

[teal oyster]

I finally splurged and got an actual N64 controller + SNAC, and boy, let me tell you, games are noticeably more fun to be played with a controller designed for them

well, some games at least

Sin and Punishment felt much nicer

[native mesa]

Yeah though I'm a big fan of the hall effect stick

[teal oyster]

yeah, the stick is definately different than the usual analog sticks on modern controllers

I was surprised at just how much

[native mesa]

It's weird because the ultra64 controller seemed to have something closer to modern sticks

If you remove an N64 controllers manhood you get a Wii nunchuck

[viral portal]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

[tidal zenith]

oh my, you have such a large... joystick

[marble cargo]

When it comes to seeing how the core syncs up compared original hardware, the intro to Banjo-Tooie is a good benchmark, as the music was designed to sync up with the cutscene.

Software emulators, due to not having accurate speeds, are prone to going out of sync with the timing.

[chrome quest]

Tooie is playable with a patch, so sounds like that will be a fun one to test.

[marble cargo]

I'm watching that cutscene right now, and it's at least very close to original hardware. If there's desyncing going on, it's so minor that you wouldn't notice.

[daring meteor]

It's gonna be fun in the next few weeks when Robert is gonna work on that desync

[bronze tree]

World Driver Championship stopped working for me (the screen is black), works with the N64_async core. Can someone verify?

[pine apex]

Black screen here

[bronze tree]

@wanton sun regression with World Driver Championship, doesn't seem to boot anymore

[daring meteor]

lmao

[vapid hawk]

yay aspect ratios! thanks @woeful grove !

[chilly pivot]

Is a new build out?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

#test-builds

[woeful grove]

everyone likes a nice aspect

[vapid hawk]

time to find out what shape marios head really is 😄

[daring meteor]

Its yellow

[chilly pivot]

So I just need to update the script? Right? Sorry for the stupid question

[vapid hawk]

no you can just download that file and throw it on your mister

or if you've got an n64 updater script you can run that

[chilly pivot]

thanks

[weary perch]

can corroborate that world driver championship no longer boots for me either, both USA and Europe no-intro releases

on 1103

[knotty zealot]

does mario have an accurate face yet?

[teal oyster]

are save states temporarily disabled?

[woeful beacon]

I didnt realize god was among us, and even more surprising || on discord ||

[native mesa]

Are we expecting interlaced modes to be working well or is there still work to be done there

[lean spruce]

what is the fix in Mister main unstable?

[fair stump]

Save states have not been included in the core at any point

[lean spruce]

I think Robert has had a way to load savestates created from his emulator, but not create a state from the core

[fair stump]

There was a reference to that in the osd for a bit though, right?

[teal oyster]

I don't think that is true
#1096015979055697940 message

[fair stump]

Only Robert could make them I believe. We just loaded his save state

[teal oyster]

yes, but how did we load save states

I don't see anything in the OSD, and you cannot map it

[fair stump]

The option existed in an old build

What I meant is that to a normal end user save states have not really been a complete functional thing

[teal oyster]

I wanted to test my controller with the test rom, and it's not working

[fair stump]

That rom doesn't need to load a save state at this point was my understanding

[teal oyster]

black screen, like before

maybe it's a regression

[fair stump]

Maybe it's similar to that world driver championship black screen?

[teal oyster]

yeah, perhaps

[daring meteor]

For Gameboy roms

[cerulean elk]

But I am @wanton sun we are one in the same lol

New core won’t affect the vid anyway 🙂

[latent galleon]

so much red, glad you are playing

[cerulean elk]

What’s good on the core today? So I know for later

Notes don’t seem like a whole “lot” visually

[teal oyster]

totally 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Not knocking it 🙂 just thinking about it from a visual standpoint

[native mesa]

I'm playing the Glover 2 beta

it really seems like they tried to rip off Banjo Kazooee and also make it a collectathon

[latent galleon]

this was the first and probably only core where i was like ok, i need an n64 controller for this

everything else i squeak by with xbox or m30 controller

[teal oyster]

yep, it's made a huge difference

[teal citrus]

That doesn't sound bad.

Not that many collectathons that play exactly or similarly to BK.

[latent galleon]

sadly my 8bitdo conversion didn't test super well for latency, but what can you do

[teal oyster]

@latent galleon now what I need is a thing to fix the gnarly motion sickness I got last night from trying to play Quake 2 with that low frame rate and tight FOV

[manic basin]

Nice! Fixed the power lines in Portal!

[latent galleon]

finally, we can get another video from awbacon

[manic basin]

Well, not until he gets home probably. hehe.

[latent galleon]

yeah i stick to the console exclusives...need to give doom64 a shot though

[teal oyster]

quake 2 seems to be a unique game

the levels are different from the OG, I think

[plush summit]

Q2 on 64/PSX were pretty different yeah

[teal oyster]

I could not take it though, I nearly barfed

maybe if I moved really far away from my CRT

[latent galleon]

well i had no idea doom was a whole new thing until like yesterday so

[teal oyster]

Quake 1 on the other hand seems to be pretty faithful to the original

[manic basin]

Animal Forest waterfalls are fixed as well (It's been a few builds since I tested, so might be an earlier one, but this is awesome! I bet the explosions at the beginning of BH are fixed as well)

[main dirge]

The Quake II rerelease that just came out has the n64 levels as a seperate campaign

[elfin depot]

If you can play the romhack with all the night dive improvements, much better version

[teal oyster]

oh that's neat, I didn't know there was a rerelease

[silent marten]

anyone having issues downloading new unstable main it just throws me a 404 error?

[wanton sun]

something strange happened, the repo is gone?

[main dirge]

it's on pc and every console and is about on-par with the great Quake 1 rerelase. If you already owned it on Steam you got it for free.

[wanton sun]

ok, github seems to be down partly

[silent marten]

thank you for checking Robert 🙂

[drowsy lantern]

Even the Mister64 repo gives a 404 not found.

[wanton sun]

all repos on github

[wanton sun]

thanks for finding it, a bugfix build is available

[main dirge]

rip

[languid dune]

Working at the speed of light as always!

[wanton sun]

the audio change just had no right to cause any regression, so i had to find it fast or i could not sleep this night 😅

[daring meteor]

Gib commit

[manic basin]

OK, looks like this was all fixed on the 27th, not today. It's been a minute since I tested. (heads down in assembly....yeeps)

[wanton sun]

ah github is back, very good 🙂

[daring meteor]

The commit was there all along

[wanton sun]

hmm?

[teal oyster]

ooooh, okay, gotcha, thanks

[daring meteor]

The quick fix commit didn't show up for a bit

[wanton sun]

yes, i couldn't push because github was partly down

it's now there

unfortunatly i cannot really update the release on github, have to do a new

[dusty tusk]

Wonder if the new core build(s) fixed the warping of the image when switching kongs

[ruby falcon]

Happy Friday Everyone!

[cold pollen]

It's like, my Wednesday

In a 20 day week

[vapid hawk]

biohazard2 still crashes at the stars door (and no music)

i really thought something would of fixed this by now 😄

some glitching on this a screen in rogue squadron

[latent galleon]

all you people do is complain

[manic basin]

Cloludflare is Cloudflaring again. :/
Wetransfer and a few other services are totally hobbled.

I'm not sure if Github is part of that, but I'm guessing.

[bronze tree]

looks better than ever 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

yay

2 builds in 1 day

[daring meteor]

To be fair one build is to fix a bug from the other build

[orchid nimbus]

net win ++

[daring meteor]

Mhm

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun today marks 80 days since the first public release

[wanton sun]

what is first public release? namco museum or hello world?

[daring meteor]

Mario Kart hahahaha

80 days since Mario Kart

I offered to start marking games as Cyan but people don't seem to want it yet because the core is only "slightly more accurate than ares" hahaha

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun August 15th

Namco it was

[wanton sun]

ah yes, i completly forgot the timeline, sorry

[orchid nimbus]

no problem 🙂 that's why we're here

[daring meteor]

August 15 was Mario Kart I think

[orchid nimbus]

Also: it's 52 days till x-mas

😄

[daring meteor]

Do you think we will have 1 game working

[orchid nimbus]

@daring meteor Namco museum

[wanton sun]

haha 1 as playable in the list....the status was that! You guys really seem to be living on the edge

[orchid nimbus]

Mario kart was 9 days later

[daring meteor]

I can recall Namco getting in game way earlier

[wanton sun]

yes about 1 month

my twitter lists namco useum at jul 10, mario kart at august 13

[orchid nimbus]

hmmm

I guess that's when we started testing

[wanton sun]

makes sense, when mario kart booted, some other did as well

but probably namco museum was the playable one, not mario kart, haha

[daring meteor]

By the way: The N64 is still called 0813 in my SD card, haha

[orchid nimbus]

we needed to spam slam [start] for mario kart 64

[daring meteor]

Hopefully we will get a game by xmas

[weary palm]

Looks perfect to me

[last scarab]

did you blow the cartridge slot?

[zenith orchid]

So it's there anything else missing from VI?

[daring meteor]

Efficiant Clock switching but that's techically not VI

[languid dune]

Good times! 🥹

[brisk drum]

Indeed

[compact skiff]

@wanton sun I tried Star Wars Racer and it seems like the fields for interlaced are swapped. Everything looks jagged on the edges.

[daring meteor]

Lemme test

You on digital or analog?

[dusty tusk]

Technically if you look at the map, that Top Gear bike game was playable a long time ago 😛

[daring meteor]

I have this but only on mister OSD on analog video

Game itself looks fine

[modern sleet]

I found a little issue

I fixed the sync issue but still need to move the timing slightly

[daring meteor]

I don't think this is related to that

(I mean, still important)

[modern sleet]

I need to delay the first sync of field 2 by the length of hsync

[daring meteor]

The hsync and vsync are independant, no?

[modern sleet]

csync 4 life

[daring meteor]

As in like

hsync is a signal that is 15khz

vsync is 60hz

And vsync happens in the middle of the line for interlaced and end of the line for progressive

[dusty tusk]

Does this transition stretching exist on original hardware?

[pure ocean]

This is definitely programmed and not a bug

[modern sleet]

Here are the fundamentals

[thorn flax]

On analog all of the interlaced footage ends with half a scan line, oddly consistent

[daring meteor]

Yeah that's normal

[daring meteor]

The half-syncs are confusing haha

[modern sleet]

MiSTer doesnt evey do that haha

Just just carry on with normal hsync timing

TV's dont care

[daring meteor]

Hmmm

[modern sleet]

@daring meteor @thorn flax

Try this

[thorn flax]

on it

much sharper

[daring meteor]

Fixes it for me

[thorn flax]

and now the menu in RS displays right

[daring meteor]

@compact skiff If you want too and are on analog

[thorn flax]

hehe, there's another rouge line at the bottom of the screen now

even there when the graphics letterbox for cutscenes

[modern sleet]

Overscan that bad boy 🙂

[thorn flax]

some little bits I noticed for reference

might be the exact same on og for all I know tho

[modern sleet]

I see it on HDMI as well

imm

[thorn flax]

just getting MM's diary up

no flickers to report

that penultimate half scanline is there.

looks like whatever the image is, aspect ratio regardless, some sort of blank happens

curious technology

[compact skiff]

Looks better

And yes, I'm on analog

[daring meteor]

Yeah cause me and Mike are on analog

[compact skiff]

Thanks @modern sleet for all your hard work to make things look good for us analog CRT folks!

[weary beacon]

Much better interlace in analog here too with N64Interlacetweak.rbf! Very thanks @modern sleet and @daring meteor and of course very thanks to Robert!

[modern sleet]

Still some bugs but I'm working on it

[daring meteor]

Your work has been invaluable to CRT users on the core

[alpine hemlock]

Anyone know what might be wrong with my N64 core? I installed via downloader.ini, but when I boot up I just get a black screen and no OSD.

[prisma ivy]

I have to press the OSD button combo

It doesn't appear automatically

[alpine hemlock]

Ah oops, I was pressing the wrong key combo, thanks.

[prisma ivy]

Hurray I contributed!

[daring meteor]

Remember to put in the necessary files

[alpine hemlock]

I have the core, the database file and z64 roms. Is there anything else?

[daring meteor]

Boot roms

[alpine hemlock]

Okay, and what's a game that works without any patches?

[ripe cargo]

mario Kart

[native mesa]

Honestly I think bombers notebook has other issues since the game input lags for a while before you can do anything when opening and closing the bomber notebook

[vapid hawk]

has anyone else got a sneaking suspicion there's a short drop in controller inputs during resolution switches?

i think i can feel it in resident evil 2 sometimes

[surreal summit]

A lot these days, easier to list the ones that don’t.

[pliant valve]

Comment 100000!

[coral timber]

For some reason toggling Swap Interlaced in debug eliminated that temporary drop in inputs for me with boomers notebook but only when closing it, not opening it

[cerulean elk]

The great American road trip complete. Chicago to Boston to Vermont to Cleveland to Chicago in eight days. And I STILL didn’t miss a core update vid! Eat it 🤣 (I brought my mic and laptop on the road)

[native mesa]

What level should I get my pokemon to for pokemon stadium?

50?

[cerulean elk]

Don’t say it…don’t say it…

69

[languid dune]

You said it!

[languid dune]

But did you ever truly leave? Hmmmm!?

[cerulean elk]

I went a full 24 hours one day without opening discord. That counts for something

[languid dune]

Well I'll be damned.

[cerulean elk]

Country times

[latent galleon]

were you actually leaf peeping?

i've never met a real leaf peeper before, that would be very exciting

[cerulean elk]

Haha we’re not peepers. My wife and I grew up in Vermont

So we went “home”

[latent galleon]

damn

some day

[zinc dew]

Robert: I have made the N64 core better by making the framerate worse!

***crowd cheers ***

Retro gaming must be inscrutable to outsiders lol

[vapid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mission-failed-successfully-mission-failed-mario-luigi-gif-26027979

[zinc dew]

Just in case, that wasn’t a criticism at all. In fact the opposite, it’s a marvel of dedication.

It’s just fun to adjust your perspective and view things differently once in a while to see the humor in the idiosyncrasies of a hobby.

[languid dune]

Damn. That was deep Robby. 🥹

[magic girder]

That pursuit of perfection is how I ended up here. Got sick of second guessing slowdown on a pi based setup, wanted to know it was accurate slowdown and not due to the underpowered pi. Now I can relax, safe in the knowledge that any jank is accurate jank

[languid dune]

The best kind of jank!

[tidal glade]

DUDE... this is almost perfect

THX !!!

[solemn marlin]

Wait so there's half a scanline at the bottom of the original console?

[chrome quest]

Can also confirm this interlaced core fix also looking great for me on PAL. To update some observations I made a few days ago;

Issues of "bending" in top rows of interlaced video now completely gone.
Image centring on the this revision of the YC core matches my composite connected PAL N64 perfectly (near as I can can tell anyway)!
Minor issue of composite colour loss on resolution switching (just waiting for YC.txt update) and a little "banding" on the OSD screen, but looking really nice generally. Composite almost as good as RGB. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked 🤣

[dreamy ridge]

i've been out of the loop for like 3 weeks, have i missed anything major?

[native mesa]

Mostly fixes really. Transfer pak was a fun one

[storm vessel]

Awwwwwwwyeah~

[wanton sun]

error message when loading a gameboy rom was removed

[bronze tree]

@wanton sun will you add more vertical cropping? For Wave Race, 12 is not enough 🙂

maybe 16 would do it

[wanton sun]

it's only for getting rid of black border?

[bronze tree]

yes

[wanton sun]

some games have even more in their "high-res" mode

[bronze tree]

yes, like World Driving...

[wanton sun]

we could add one more setting of course, but the main purpose was to remove garbage flickering

[bronze tree]

ah, ok

it already looks very good

[wanton sun]

i think more then 12 at top and bottom no CRT would hide

[remote hatch]

Mario with 12 looks the same as on crt 🙂

Very nice

[remote hatch]

And will a similar solution be implemented for the flickering garbage on the left and right side of the image?

[deep ore]

hello - could the nso controller driver be messing with my snes nso pad? i’m finding both A and B buttons on the snes pad act as the B button, no matter how i remap

[compact depot]

Rumor has it that TLB is still impossible on MiSTer

[eternal ravine]

No Conker for you

https://tenor.com/view/conker-conker's-bad-fur-day-money-greedy-eyes-gif-1420194864152966196

[zenith orchid]

I kinda wonder how flawless the CPU needs to be before it makes sense to start working on TLB. and maybe a non-TLB fork could be maintained for debug purposes?

[wanton sun]

any example game?

[wanton sun]

the other missing features(writefifo, load delay) must work before. Otherwise, it's in good enough shape i would say. The amount of non-tlb bugs that could be CPu related is very low

since async video/audio is done, i can work on them soon

[zenith orchid]

ah so VI is done?

[wanton sun]

well, analog out still has some adjustements to be done, but i trust in MikeS there

[zenith orchid]

🥳🎉🙌

[wanton sun]

he knows much more about it, can test it, can measure it and most important: is so nice to spend time on it. His work is really such a big help

so i take the freedom to work on something else in that time 😅

[zenith orchid]

in terms of implementation phase, it's technically done then. there's still the whole other phase of optimization

[daring meteor]

Inb4 the missing features break games because now they run too fast

[wanton sun]

not unlikely, but the difference will not be that big

but slower memory will be more important then

[knotty zealot]

https://youtu.be/ZXUxCWhUX3s?t=30

[zenith orchid]

maybe time for another color coded hardware diagram showing status of each component

it seems like most should be green now

[neat sierra]

I try to put myself in your shoes all the time, but then I hear your car pull into the driveway

[zenith orchid]

except of course RDP and RSP

[daring meteor]

And CPU

[wanton sun]

PI timing, PIF 6105 security check, transfer pak MBCs...there is something to do in nearly all modules

[daring meteor]

PI timing is required for JFG yes?

[wanton sun]

yes

maybe i should add some debug setting for PI waitstates and we could test if JFG runs with any of them. That would show it's only timing and not something else

[daring meteor]

Didn't you also mention the RSP changes as required?

[wanton sun]

well, if RSP is slower, in theory it should be enough if PI is also just slower

[daring meteor]

Ah, game is too fast, than yes, probably worth to try and see

[wanton sun]

but who knows, i didn't test anything with this game yet, only read some parts of the Ares process of getting it to work

[mortal panther]

Loving the Vertical Crop: 8 option, by the way. Thanks! 😉

[daring meteor]

The code mentioned in ares doesn't seem to mention vector instructions, so ideally its just PI related

"Vector unit (VU) timing, including dual issue with the SU, is not yet implemented."
Commit that fixes JFG
So we might be in luck

[remote hatch]

Wave Race 🙂

[wanton sun]

i don't get any left/right flicker in waverace?

[remote hatch]

I see black flickering pixels left and right

See attract mode

Usa ver

[wanton sun]

ah yes, that one pixel from AA

probably easier to make that first pixel left/right/up/down black optionally instead of cropping

[remote hatch]

Good idea 👍🏻

[native mesa]

@wanton sun if you're looking for a fun bug to squash the input delay when opening the bombers notebook in Majora's mask might be a fun one. It's an interlaced video mode and when switching to it all inputs are queued for at least 3 seconds. The same thing happens when closing the bombers notebook. I have a complete SRM save if you want to try it

[wanton sun]

i can't imagine how that could be fun 😅

[native mesa]

Haha. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[wanton sun]

must be your screen

[native mesa]

Oh shit is it fixed?

[wanton sun]

this is with vsync adjust = 0

you can try on your side

[daring meteor]

Did this change your mind

[native mesa]

Ok my vsync adjust is at 2 I'll try 0

But doesn't that add a few frames of buffer

[daring meteor]

Yeah, so stuff like that doesn't happen when sync slightly changes

[wanton sun]

yes. It's a trade off: either accept the resync on resolution switch or get latency

[daring meteor]

You could also try 1

[mortal panther]

I couldn't remember what vsync_adjust=0 did. The .ini only describes what options 1 and 2 do.

[native mesa]

Huh changing it didn't correct the issue for me

Let me double check

[wanton sun]

0 is locked 60hz with triple buffer, no matter what the core outputs

[mortal panther]

Ahh. Thanks!

[wanton sun]

i mostly use it, because i use savestate loading a lot and would get constant sync drop

on the main TV i set it to 1

[mortal panther]

That makes sense.

[native mesa]

Confirmed no vsync_adjust option has any impact. I do analog out YPbPr. Does vsync_ajust require vga scaler?

[wanton sun]

analog out is not influenced by the setting

[rose elbow]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/video/?h=vsync_adjust#vsync_adjust

[wanton sun]

can't imagine why analog out can have any delay

[rose elbow]

vsyncadjust=1 apparently has 1 frame of lag, and doesnt have the resync dropouts

or it doesn't for me, i should say*

[mild ether]

Any ideas on what's going on with the Aleck 64 games yet?

It seems like they are getting button input stuck on or something because this is how the service menu is supposed to be displayed when you boot them.

[native mesa]

Well if you're confident it's just a config issue I don't want to waste anyone's time

[tidal glade]

hdmi to vga to composite?

[native mesa]

No just VGA to YPbPr

[mild ether]

Or at least this is how the service menu is mapped to the N64 controllers for the hack to make them work.

[wanton sun]

very strange, the screen is "active" already, noticeable by the blue cursor, but the controls are not? i don't see that effect here. Using NTSC standard edition with a 100% savegame

you could try if it also happens with my save

[dawn halo]

I just wanted to add that the only time I've seen something like that happen - a new video switch followed by temporary loss of input - was when I'd forgotten that I'd set custom video modes for certain resolutions at the bottom of my MiSTer.ini file. It affects even direct video when done that way

[native mesa]

no custom modes in my ini

[lean spruce]

@native mesa @wanton sun I just tried Roberts MM save and I have no delay when checking the bombers notebook

I´m on rgb scart CRT

though the Bombers Notebook page looks really bugged on CRT, it flickers more than it should

[native mesa]

Yeah I tried his save, same issue

NTSC USA rom

[patent dragon]

all the same config throug hdmi works fine?

[native mesa]

It's not an output issue from what I can tell

Let me try a usb controller

[lean spruce]

Do you only experience this delay in MM?

[native mesa]

Yeah its the only time ive run across it

Pokemon stadium is fine

not sure what else uses interlaced modes

USB controller didnt make a difference, raphnet

[lean spruce]

thats what makes it weird. I mean I´m also on CRT and have no such delay

[native mesa]

Alright I figured it out

I have these modelines for 486. I pulled them out and its not an issue now

[[email protected]] ;video_mode=320,24,49,38,200,2,2,20,13535,0,1 ; [email protected]@31.4kHz DOS CGA/EGA/Adventure games with scanlines video_mode=640,7,108,30,400,13,2,34,24708,0,1 ; [email protected]@31.48kHz VGA era games including 320x200, 320x400, 640x400 @70.1Hz [[email protected]] video_mode=640,7,108,30,400,13,2,34,24708,0,1 ; [email protected]@31.48kHz VGA Games including 320x200, 320x400, 640x400 @70.1Hz [[email protected]] video_mode=720,15,108,46,400,13,2,34,27983,0,1 ; [email protected]@31.48kHz DOS Text ;experimental modes [[email protected]] video_mode=640,25,130,75,398,50,29,50,27370,0,1 ; [email protected]@31.46kHz Jazz Jackrabbit [[email protected]] video_mode=640,40,96,64,480,14,2,31,26430,0,1 ; [email protected] Epic Pinball (temp modeline, still under development) [[email protected]] video_mode=640,40,96,64,480,14,2,31,26430,0,1 ; [email protected] (temp modeline, still under development)

bombers notebook must have used one?

idk

[wanton sun]

Great that you found it!

[native mesa]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Glad it's not more work for you!

[dawn halo]

so you did have custom lines

which is what I was saying. Glad you found it.

[native mesa]

yeah you were right, just not core specific ones

odd

[dawn halo]

it'll apply to any resolution that matches if you don't specify the core. Setting for ao486 is what got me in trouble, too, by the way

[native mesa]

it's reporting 640x448 in the notebook though

not sure why it would match on any of those

[vapid hawk]

it doesn't, its just the time it takes to parse all that ini

[native mesa]

got it

[vapid hawk]

@wanton sun there's a distinctive strip of garbage down the right edge of RE2 on n64, even on real hardware, i always have to crop it off (case for horizontal crop)

[dawn halo]

you can just add [ao486] before the section with those modelines and it'll only apply them within that core

Edit: I think I was wrong about this. Apparently it might not be possible

[wanton sun]

ok. i will think about some crop options for horizontal that don't break the aspect ratio. Mainly resolution will stay, but pixels get black

[native mesa]

Y'all just need to play on one of these

[daring meteor]

True

[neat sierra]

Imagine the smoke stank that’s forever embedded in that faux fabric of the controls section

[mild ether]

Still in the crate!

[daring meteor]

Is the right hand side thing related to polygon seams?

Surprised the BAR effect is still not LOD hahaha, seems to be really sporadically used than

[zinc dew]

Really cool to see Beetle Racing Adventure be a great testing ground for accuracy.

[mossy vector]

What is BAR?

[daring meteor]

Beetle Adventure racing

[weary palm]

I still got CIC error when loading .GB files

[daring meteor]

On the new mister unstable?

[weary palm]

yes

[daring meteor]

Someone changed the index again argh

[tropic sand]

Lovely lava 😍

[wanton sun]

no, it was the polygon holes in stadium 2

[daring meteor]

Alright

[wanton sun]

wrong pixel and z buffer values read back

[daring meteor]

Know anything about the index by the way?

GB index is now 42...

[wanton sun]

cartGB_download <= ioctl_download & (ioctl_index[5:0] == 2);

so compare lower 6 bit to 2

i don't know what this bit 6 is, sorry

[mossy vector]

When you say right hand... Does that refer to the way the middle point or knee of the triangle is facing. >

[wanton sun]

ok, mkdocs knows it: ioctl_index - [15:6] which file type [5:0] file number

[wanton sun]

if each line is drawn from left to right or from right to left

there is probably a reason why this is important, but i don't know. I only know it makes a difference for pixels that use values from the previous pixel in the same line

[mossy vector]

Ooh. Does that hurt memory performance if drawing from right to left?

[twin barn]

7:6 are the selections, see NES for example (filetype == ioctl_index in this core, it's passed through to that port in hps_io)

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/blob/master/NES.sv#L322-L326

[simple olive]

case(filetype[7:6])
    2'b00: begin type_bios <= 1; is_bios <= 1; downloading <= ioctl_downloading; end
    2'b01: begin type_nes <= 1; downloading <= ioctl_downloading; end
    2'b10: begin type_fds <= 1; downloading <= ioctl_downloading; end
    //2'b11: begin type_palette <= 1; end

[twin barn]

whoops meant to say the selections different from bios but yeah

[daring meteor]

Its filetype, yeah, now I tested

gbc files are sent as 2

[twin barn]

so 00 is always the boot.rom, then if you have multiple index options in the conf_str it will be the next one

[daring meteor]

gb files are sent as 42

That's why the confusion

[twin barn]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/blob/master/NES.sv#L220

[simple olive]

"FS,NESFDSNSF;",

[twin barn]

correlates to these

if there was a fourth option at the end like "PAL" then yo ucould uncomment in the NES core and get a palette option

i think?

[daring meteor]

So, just to double check
Correct condition is
if ((index & 63) == 2) {, correct?

[wanton sun]

Not due to the way i implemented it. That's what the fix from today is made for: the core always fetches all old pixels and z buffer values that are needed to draw the current y line before starting to draw it. However, as fetches are 64bit and pixels are only 16 bit, i need to index the right pixel, no matter if the first is 0 or 3 or 42. Also the framebuffer could be offset from clean 8 byte border AND each line could have a offset that doesn't divide well to a 8 byte border. This logic is rather complicated, but i hope it's finally correct now

[daring meteor]

@weary palm

[twin barn]

oh you had to add a couple DSP's for it

[daring meteor]

Try this one for both gb and gbc files

[twin barn]

oh nvm you just moved the multiplication and division operators to somewhere else

[wanton sun]

i think you are looking at the xpos/ypos part, but that is only for simulation 🙂

[tropic sand]

N64 core is awesome....

[mild ether]

Are the debug menus useful for BAR?

[twin barn]

ah lol

yeah using the division operator in synthesis = ouch

😛

[knotty zealot]

looking at the compatibility list.. quest 64... "completeable"

[wanton sun]

the raster module actually does the other way round with multiply. The simulation code is to convert back so i can check the result 🙂

[twin barn]

yes it's time for your true calling

[tropic sand]

Windows error in core 🤣

[wanton sun]

Exception Pom99?

VMM = virtual memory map? should be TLB related

[twin barn]

https://www.vintex64.com/store/p33/Nacho_64.html?

[mild ether]

Nacho ordinary exception.

[tropic sand]

Just trying some demos and nacho demos looks amazing

[thorn flax]

Brunswick Circuit Pro Bowling menus are fixed!

[mild ether]

Ahh, POM 99 was the event that demo was created for.

[thorn flax]

and it's in game graphics are fixed too

whole thing has gone from a void to present

[mild ether]

Since the current core update is related to this game here is the debug menu patch if it's helpful to anyone. Press down on the D PAD to bring it up outside of gameplay.

[thorn flax]

whole thing runs in hi-res mode so benefits a lot from @modern sleet interlace tweak core

[fair stump]

Nice find!

[zinc dew]

Is it fun to play?

[thorn flax]

it's ugly as sin, so yes (ironically)

[zinc dew]

Lol

[thorn flax]

so I've nailed down when BCPB's menus were fixed.

the core dated 28/10 was the revision that fixed it

although it's only with true analog interlace modes we've recently had that the graphics really start to ¿shine? thru

[tropic sand]

Now this is picky but there is a square around the lights in black lines... with 1 line through the light... Is this the same on real hardware....

[thorn flax]

might be

[twin torrent]

Looks similar to the issue in Blast Corps. The Earth's map has joints visible all around

[thorn flax]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Headlights and Taillights in RR64 are fixed!

[wanton sun]

really? i could not imagine why, but maybe...

[wanton sun]

yes, there is bug with dual texturing being offset 1 pixel for some situations, still need to debug that

[twin torrent]

Thanks for the focus on perfection, the game is perfectly playable otherwise

[zinc dew]

Great!

[remote hatch]

Perfect

♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[thorn flax]

it made the game so much better I finally got 1st place

[zinc dew]

I can understand, your eyes were too distracted by it you couldn’t concentrate.

[remote hatch]

yeah, same here 🤣

[daring meteor]

That version had analog interlace too, just async needed a new implementation

[fair stump]

Oh hey the horrible graphical issue with the mia hamm transitions has been fixed

[remote hatch]

I do not know if there is still something missing in RR64 , but to me it looks perfect now 🙂

[fair stump]

The really interesting thing is that whatever it's doing is moving the error overlay as well

[languid dune]

Ha! I was getting first place in RR64 even when the road was missing!

[fair stump]

Can anyone with a crt tell me if the field on the left is an overscan thing?

[random portal]

how much you wanna bet that in an hour after I download the current test build, a new one is gonna be out?

[languid dune]

There wasn't going to be one. But now there will be. Just to spite you!

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dude-i-could-be-gaming-dude-could-be-gaming-gif-21654074

[mild ether]

Definitely gonna happen if there is a YouTube video today.

[mortal apex]

Looks like this on mine

[fair stump]

This is really what they meant with hires: half? 😆

[topaz otter]

double the framerate by halving the resolution

you can even quadruple the framerate by running the game at 80x80

getting 2000fps by running it in 20x20

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[chilly ember]

In Superman 64 you can adjust the screen size of the game down to 20% and get better frame rate

[topaz otter]

Titus were truly masters of their craft lmao

[timber sluice]

Don't know why, but RR64 gave me the idea to play the RR PSX versions instead .....

[zinc dew]

LOL but why??

[chilly ember]

Gotta get that extra 2 fps

[elfin depot]

cause:

[chilly ember]

It's all id's fault

[chrome quest]

While CRT effects are being considered, I've a question about "ntsc_mode". Far as I can tell the help info still says "this is currently not being used by any cores" (https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/crt/?h=ntsc_mode#using-the-analog-io-board)
However, with a composite PAL CRT I've found ntsc_mode=1 (PAL-60) is great! Get colour NTSC games on EU CRT, but not all cores.
NES, SNES have colour, look great. Genesis, PCEngine still black and white.
Just wondering if this is something that benefits from some subtle addition to the core now? Or perhaps is a bigger issue to get working?
So far I've got colour NTSC on the PAL CRT without issue. Yesterdays core flucutating black and white reminded me to ask

[cerulean elk]

the perfect gif

[topaz otter]

this was the programmers solution to "It runs like shit"

"Now you can't see how bad it runs, smart guy." - The Programmer

[orchid nimbus]

surprise it doesn't crash 😄

[orchid nimbus]

it's a joke screen 🙂 the demo starts with this screen but then continues - you can ignore this joke 🙂

[hasty kayak]

@wanton sun Ridge Racer 64 Car Lights fixed!! nicely done!

[thorn flax]

we've already mentioned

[chrome quest]

As noted in the RDP fix, but these models in Stadium 2 looking perfect now. Thanks very much Robert!

[thorn flax]

love to see it

[uncut gyro]

Is this in the sheet and/or GitHub issue?

I imagine it’s another one of those fixes that will make several games more visually accurate at the same time

[toxic pumice]

Another new build to try as soon as I'm home. 🙂

[fringe sigil]

I've gotten most of my N64 cart saves dumped last week.
Noticed some of them are FLA, some are EEP etc.
Should a rename be enough, or do I need to swap bytes and stuff like that?
Any converters available?
I tried making a PKMN Stadium 2 save, but for some reason the saves\N64 save file comes out at 0kb.
Even after a reboot of the mister.
That is some sorcery if you ask me

[brisk drum]

Dat a pink moltres!

[topaz otter]

whats the appeal of catching pokemon

[fringe sigil]

Having them all, and being the best there ever was obviously

[daring meteor]

Isn't that a cpak game?

Stadium 2?

[fringe sigil]

No. Both Stadium games are FLA (Flash)

It is a transfer pak game though. You may be confusing those two

[daring meteor]

Yeah

Do you have n64-database?

[fringe sigil]

Yeah. And it loads system settings correctly.
I found out now that after the hard reboot of the mister, the save is gone.
I tried manually saving from GUI as well

And the game did indeed notice I changed something (started saving when I opened menu after doing something that would usually save to cart)

[zenith orchid]

Hmm, is that recent VI fix authentic to original hardware? 😏

[orchid nimbus]

are you authentic to real hardware?

[chrome quest]

I'm not. Without a hardware mod, my eyes have the automatic Vaseline filter.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fuck-you-say-fox-what-you-say-huh-gif-17597387

You don’t just catch them .. you also give them a new identity and train them to murder others of their own kind

[topaz otter]

aight Ima steal your pikachu now

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-pokemon-prepare-for-gif-5634690

[brisk drum]

You ain’t no team rocket bro

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-meowth-head-shake-no-gif-78588997004472738

Dis u

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/jif-gif-25200645

i aint gary oak and you walked into the wrong neighborhood

[chrome quest]

Eventually you catch them all, watch speedruns, find the RNG aspect interesting, and get yourself a shiny Moltres.
Or you make them fight I guess

[topaz otter]

I just never got the appeal of it, then again I wasn't a child when it came out, I was a grown ass man

[cerulean elk]

just finished uploading tomorrow's preview. back in office...back on the job lol

[topaz otter]

my cousins loved them pokemons though

they had the gameboy with the link cable

[random portal]

are there any tech demos you guys been using to gauge N64 core progress?

[native mesa]

It's a decent JRPG. not the first of its kind really. Final Fantasy had elements of it with the beastmaster class

[native mesa]

You listed all the things I hate about pokemon or gaming in general. I just want to be the very best

Has anyone successfully loaded a gameboy save into stadium or stadium 2 yet?

[chrome quest]

Me clearly 🤣 All that RNG nonsense only works on the Gameboy, not emulation in N64
(Incidentally, also on Gameboy core, just shows how accurate cores can be)

[native mesa]

how did you do it? with a hexeditor?

[chrome quest]

Yeah. I tried to explain here #1096015979055697940 message

[native mesa]

Cool I'm gonna try it out

[chrome quest]

If it's not clear just shout, I've converted over and back a good few times now

[native mesa]

with the save added to the file do you need the transfer pack anymore if you're just loading mons?

for a roster

[chrome quest]

What do you mean by "need the transfer Pak"?
Still need that toggle in the core to see the data. Once in game in Stadium you can save a limited number of rental teams (all separated per mode). After that, you could remove the 32KB GB section if you wanted to

[native mesa]

Well I have a crystal save

[chrome quest]

You can deposit Pokémon to Stadium boxes, but.... Maybe you can form a team from those boxes? I'm not sure. Don't think so but never tried

[native mesa]

i know the crystal rom doesn't work

wondering if I can just load the save

[chrome quest]

Crystal works too. Just don't try GB Tower

[native mesa]

with the game not mattering

got it

know an easy way to byteswap in windows?

I was hoping HxD would have a tool

[daring meteor]

wsl isn't that hard to install

[native mesa]

that was easy lol

you dont know what you dont know!

ope maybe not

gotta enable something in BIOS

[daring meteor]

You need like 5 random settings in Windows and 1 in BIOS

Its annoying but after you can run linux commands effortlessly

[mild ether]

What is the bios setting?

[daring meteor]

You enable virtualization and in windows disable hyper V and enable windows services for linux iirc

And another thing

[mild ether]

Ah. Forgot about the virtualization bios being off by default.

[daring meteor]

Virtual Machine Platform?

[native mesa]

It varies between intel and amd

I found it, after bypassing my jank keyboard to get into bios haha

[brisk drum]

Dark rift is looking amazing on my crt in all its 480i glory

[native mesa]

Aw yeah got my mons loaded

[weary beacon]

With the async VI core over HDMI some games looks "vertically crushed", like the VW logo at the start of Beetle which is not round anymore. Did I missed an option?

[thorn flax]

firing it up now to look

erm, they look the same to me

[chilly pivot]

btw, i´m really confused what you all talking about...what is async VI COre? Did i need it if i play on my LCD TV?

[orchid nimbus]

no no and no

[chilly pivot]

good thanks 😄

[orchid nimbus]

Async means asynchronous

VI = Video Interface aka the graphic stuff the n64 does

blending/aa/etc

I believe async also is needed for CRTs

since you use HDMI - that already works

[brisk drum]

Wish I could battle you bro

[thorn flax]

unrelated, Rayman 2 is jaw droppingly good looking.
like next gen looking

[pure ocean]

@wanton sun N64_20231104 broke Automobil Lamborghini. It has pixels flying around. Visible from the beginning of 1st frame in atract mode. Previous core N64_20231103_2 is okay.

[thorn flax]

I just fired up the game for comparison.

yes there's visible seams between many polygons

yesterday vs today

[mossy vector]

so much moire

[native mesa]

Think it may be related to this #1096015979055697940 message

pokemon stadium 2 mons have something similar

[thorn flax]

no doubt. but I figured the video would be of more use to Rob than "this game broken"

[solemn marlin]

You have two misters?

[thorn flax]

seems like only good manners to present evidence of your issues

[thorn flax]

yes

my itx living room model and my tiny retrocastle one in the office

[vapid moat]

Makes me wish Arin stayed just an animator in web when remembering these gems

[eternal ravine]

Suddenly See Moire

[solemn marlin]

Is mister different? The de10 nano whatever was the thing, as I understand it, so performance shouldn't be different

They just have different cases and ports?

Different smell

[chilly ember]

Same, I'd take his animations over game grumps any day

[orchid nimbus]

Mario 64 is so metal it's not even funny

[hearty oar]

the texture archaeology stuff for this game is so cool

[weary palm]

same texture

[solemn marlin]

I'm unreasonably intrigued by all that stuff for some reason, I can understand that they come from texture pack cds but it's still magical

[quaint rune]

I had no idea that was the same exact one. Now I’m always going to remember that each time I go through there 😂. It makes sense though because that’s hazy maze where you would get metal Mario in the first place right ? I remember originally running around the castle like crazy thinking I’d find the green switch there instead of a level itself.

[zinc dew]

Star Soldier for the N64 is probably the best shoot em up of that generation

[zenith orchid]

so does pokemon stadium only work with 1st and 2nd gen?

also I wonder if it works with pokemon green

https://imgur.io/a/q27qY

oh snap, it works! at least on original hardware

I'm kinda tempted to play all 4 colors concurrently, and trade among the four

[thorn flax]

my eyes see the green cart and some part of my brain goes "that's not right"

it looks as good as real tho

[zenith orchid]

apparently in Japan they had red and green initially

and we got the blue instead of green

[thorn flax]

and yet their carts were standard grey

[zenith orchid]

but the fact that the English translation of green is compatible with English pokemon stadium is amazing

[thorn flax]

yes

[marble cargo]

First it was Red and Green.

Then an updated version called Blue was released with updated sprites and bug fixes.

Then that version would be the basis for the international release of Red and Blue.

[zenith orchid]

so Japanese red is different from international red?

this is fascinating

it seems gb tower on stadium 1 doesn't like green though

[thorn flax]

don't forget western red/blue took so long to come out silver/gold were already demo'd in Japan. spaceworld I think

there were development issues tho, so yellow edition was thrown out there to plug the gap

[trim seal]

Oh that's odd - on hdmi out the frame rate counter is clipped out slightly at the top of the frame now.

Oh, that's just upon core loading, before loading a rom. Even running Aidyn Chronicles at that same resolution repositions it back into the frame.

[random portal]

my baby bro is finally being proactively interested in the MiSTer now that more games are working

[coral timber]

Just wanted to say ty, this ended up fixing my issue as well <3

[dawn halo]

nice! Yeah I remember spending a little while wondering what was going wrong - if there was some core issue not being reported in the PSX core, or something, until it hit me about the resolutions

[coral timber]

I tried this but it didn't seem to like things. maybe I'm getting the markdown coding wrong?

[dawn halo]

hmm, strange, it should be able to work like this https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/ini/#adding-core-specific-settings

[coral timber]

Hmm, I can append with a core specific value but not sure how that differs if I want to distinguish between multiple resolution output differences within a single core

[trim seal]

So do we know yet what is causing that white polygon flash in the OOT intro?

[dawn halo]

I think you should be able to have all of your custom lines as before as long as they all follow the one core specific tag - so like anything following the core tag will be applied together - unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do

Edit: I think I'm wrong about this, may only allow for one video_mode line per core but not core-specific modes for each resolution

[coral timber]

Hm, a bit off from N64 talk actually, can I dm you about it?

[dawn halo]

sure

[fierce garden]

Man I gotta say, playing F-Zero X like this is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo good! Thank you so damn much 👌🍺

[stiff condor]

Would anyone know why I wouldn't be able to move around in menus in Majora's Mask? When I hit the joystick left or right it just switched to the next page. I assume it has something to do with the controller. It's the 8bitdo N64 mod kit

It seems like if I flick it barely I can get it to select something but it's very sensitive

[coral timber]

I used to have that problem with an old core. Something about the joystick deadzone sensativity iirc

[stiff condor]

I'm on the newest core and the latest mister unstable nightly

[elfin depot]

There's an unstable version that clamps the sensitivity

[dusty tusk]

Yellow would later go on to codify what would be the anime and multimedia standard going forward, but fun fact. The really ugly back sprites were based on the Japanese originals

[lament escarp]

The back sprites are also half resolution, which makes them even worse.

[zenith orchid]

what a difference

[wanton sun]

thank you, found the reason. Will be fixed in the next build

[bronze tree]

Every day a step closer to perfection 🙂

[odd vector]

Just curious: are the trees now fixed in beetle adventure racing

[wanton sun]

yes, i'm not aware of any graphical bug in this game currently

[odd vector]

Nice, I will probably try that today! 🙂

[daring meteor]

Fake LOD and Fake YUV, haha

[wanton sun]

I still don't know what the YUV loading mode did that my emulator ran into with this game, however, it seems it is either not required or no one has seen it yet

could also be that the normal RGB texture loading mode produces the same result in RAM

[daring meteor]

Ah

[orchid nimbus]

Oh new email from @wanton sun 🙂

[solemn maple]

Great patreon update as always

[knotty zealot]

as a non-patreon i'm just going to imagine a great update

[quick arch]

On the overalls of Dixie Kong, there is a small glitch during the DK rap of DK 64

[hasty kayak]

Something I will check today is the back of the Car in RR 64 on Real Hardware to see if what I noticed last night happens there (There is a line which appears through the back of the car occasionally when you steer in either direction).

Can confirm this happens on Real Hardware too. No issue here.

[tropic sand]

Trees are great. Lava fixed in yesterday's build. A tiny line/square around the lights. Other than that Beatle racing is fabulous.

If you use a trainer patch to select the police car and all tracks... The speed the core plays at is a joy 🥰

[bronze tree]

and if you didn't play it for a while, fog was also fixed

[daring meteor]

And textures

[odd vector]

Lots of updates, nice!

[tropic sand]

Trainer patch for all tracks and cars... Good for testing 😁

[wanton sun]

is that what you mean? sorry a bit blurry

[tropic sand]

Yep...The was a thin square around the lights 🥰

[wanton sun]

i see it now, it's still there. the image was from n64 🙂

[wanton sun]

seems to be some kind of z-fighting, rather than texture issue, but who knows

hmm, maybe not, the whole car has it

[zinc dew]

We’re excitedly getting to the point where we start asking people to verify against real hardware first before they report bugs.

[cerulean elk]

Go verify yourself against real hardware

[zinc dew]

I do am I’m quite performant! 💪

[daring meteor]

Guys I think Jet Force Gemini has a bug

[zinc dew]

Like 10,000 of em, those ants don’t stop attacking

[wanton sun]

i tried to get it running with slower PI and could watch about 1 minute of the PAL intro, but then it crashed with a FPU bug 😅

NTSC crashes with CPU exception after 15 seconds or so

[daring meteor]

Is it an easy pointer to CPU bugs than

Or not easy, or not a CPU bug

[wanton sun]

i have no idea, could be anything. and as my emulator is not accurate enough to even get there, i cannot debug it anyway

maybe when the unpatched rom works (cic challenge implemented) and a save can be loaded

also the framerate in the cutscene was horrible. It's locked to 17fps on PAl anyway and in the scene where the blue bugs hunt the teddybears on the planet it dips down to 12. But could be the game was like that

[native mesa]

Good morning

Is Pokemon Stadium 2 just easy or is my party too good. or did I just not get to the hard modes yet

I have all dark types which are supposed to be pretty bad in gen 2

[snow mulch]

Wonder if they will put a more smooth look option setting in the OSD.
I know it's still in beta.
Kinda looks weird.
Kinda like how it looks in the emulator. No blurry. as a option. can't even make out the logo for the car
SOme peaple want the more n64 look i guess how it was originally.

[wanton sun]

is that a joke?

[native mesa]

He must be new here

[elfin relic]

not particularly new, but maybe somewhat of a language barrier with that one

[wanton sun]

i mean, you can always use analog out in the worst possible way and connect it to the worst CRT you find

[daring meteor]

I think they mean the opposite

[zinc dew]

Those options already exist plus you can use filters to blur it out more

[daring meteor]

i.e 480p rendering

[wanton sun]

i could just take off my glasses instead, but that will not work for everyone 😛

[daring meteor]

With no AA

[wanton sun]

oh yes, the other way around: sure there are options to disable all the blur, they exist already

[loud pebble]

Let your eyes go slowly out of focus

[native mesa]

Better off smearing vaseline on your glasses for the authentic look

[minor fog]

Or drinking 70cl of vodka first

[native mesa]

FPGAbrau

[brisk drum]

How dare you!

[snow mulch]

having a good time with the n64 core.
It's getting better.
Still some work.

I own a N64.
even got a ultra hdmi n64 as well. i wouldn't of got the n64 modded if there was going to be a n64 fpga core. Even more with 3d anologue console.

[brisk drum]

I play on a big ol crt like the good lord intended retro games to be played on

And in my setup the core looks like perfection is within grasp

Still a little wobbly with interlaced signals but MikeS is gonna kick that problems proverbial ass

[fair stump]

You don't get to decide that

[brisk drum]

I just did ..

You mean like I don’t get to decide my preferred method of display tech?

[fair stump]

The good lord emulates his retro games on an ouya

[native mesa]

The good Lord invented cathode rays

[arctic sky]

Silly question for me . I’m updated to latest build . Using Svideo I only get black and white . I get full color on Mike S YC build . What am I doing wrong. Playing on a CRT ?

[daring meteor]

S Video = YC

[native mesa]

Sounds like you aren't doi g anything wrong

[zinc dew]

CRT stands for Criminals Require Televisions

[iron dove]

Criminal resistant

[mortal panther]

That's a rather cozy looking jail cell.

[zinc dew]

That’s so cool

[loud pebble]

I also think it is cool.

[steady basalt]

How did you smuggle in the DVD VHS player?

Cool setup indeed!

[zinc dew]

I don’t see a clear N64!?!?

[elfin depot]

Working on it, just found out today there are clear shells on Ali. I have a Jungle Green which would match the green tv remote

[zinc dew]

that’s awesome!

[brisk drum]

BLASPHEMY!

In all fairness we couldn’t even begin to fathom what if anything the good lord plays on ..

[lament escarp]

Probably mister though. Through a rt4k.

Definitely not mars.

[broken creek]

Is this how I should have my N64 directory setup? Games won't load. I get the error. "Missing directory: N64" when I try to open the zipped game folder.

[brisk drum]

This is also my belief

[wanton sun]

i have my N64 directory directly on the sdcard, not in games, but i think both should work? otherwise it looks correct

[novel junco]

Try unzipping the everdrive folder you have there, the archive might be far too big to open from

[brisk drum]

Yeah unzip that shizz

[broken creek]

Cool. Ill give it a shot.

[elfin depot]

OK, Star Wars Episode I: Racer with the RRDUAL code is really cool!

not sure why that control scheme wasn't just offered in the manual

[orchid nimbus]

You got a CIFS mount?

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun possible regression on papermario.... Squares around beginning logos

[broken creek]

@orchid nimbus No CIFS yet. On the todo (to learn) list.

Un zipping the big folder worked.

[orchid nimbus]

Ok 🙂

[silent marten]

Not sure if this is gonna be a rush to be fixed until TLB is in tbh

[tropic sand]

Agreed... just noticed the logos were fine and then weren't... thought I'd mention in case it broke other games

[silent marten]

Yeah it was a nice find 🙂

[worn delta]

Are there any missing visual features left to be implemented now before TLB (excluding CPU and timing fixes)

[silent marten]

YUV and LOD I believe still need to be added

[worn delta]

Ah, what do those do again?

[silent marten]

Not much that will be noticeable anymore, LOD will make the Peach/Bowser picture change as you get closer to it

[worn delta]

Ah yeah, that one

Do you know what YUV does?

[daring meteor]

Ogre Battle 64

[quaint rune]

That painting illusion is neat

[worn delta]

So YUV is used in Ogre Battle 64? What does it do there?

[random portal]

My brother wants to know if transfer pak saves work

[daring meteor]

Run Ogre Battle 64 right now and see for yourself

[daring meteor]

Yes, but they're an annoying format

[worn delta]

According to sheet: "Seems playable. Some black/missing ground textures in some scenes"

[daring meteor]

Those ground textures are in YUV format

[orchid nimbus]

cool the 'heavy' demo shows the pictures correct again on the 'album covers'

[random portal]

Is there a guide for it? my brother is playing Pokemon Blue on the GBC core and then plans to transfer his pokemon in Stadium.

[daring meteor]

You take the Pokemon save file
Run the linux command to swap files
hexdump -v -e '1/4 "%08x"' -e '"\n"' yellow_newgame_splitfromCore.sav | xxd -r -p > yellow_newgame_splitfromCore2.sav
You put the save file at the 128th Kilobyte in your Stadium save file

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppets-stressed-gif-7121337

[daring meteor]

I should script this

[random portal]

also I don't use Linux

I remember there was a tool that let you use some layer of Linux within Windows

[daring meteor]

Yes, there's WSL, it works perfect on WSL (I in fact did the first ever conversion of a save on the core on WSL lmao)

[random portal]

heh nice gonna download it and try it out

oh wait I have wsl already

[daring meteor]

If you have it just run bash and it will open a Linux terminal

[zinc dew]

MiSTer + PixelFX Morph is going to be my ultimate 4K combo

[orchid nimbus]

switch away from winblows, regain freedom

https://tenor.com/view/richard-stallman-stallman-rms-emacs-gnu-gif-23943451

[lament escarp]

I've been really satisfied with my retrotink 5x, what does the morph have over the retrotink 4k?

[random portal]

Been thinking about it but some games I mod on PC use tools only on Windows and I don't want to learn how to WINE

[zinc dew]

Cheaper, awesome video output, and web GUI

[orchid nimbus]

I just quit PC gaming all together

[random portal]

LMFAO

[orchid nimbus]

@random portal here is how I run windows

very restricted

[lament escarp]

If you buy cheap you buy twice. Mike chi needs some money to live you know.

[orchid nimbus]

Mike Chi doesn't care about my income stream so I don't care about his

[zinc dew]

Not interested in buying from Mike Chi

[chilly ember]

I just use my crt I got for free 😎

[orchid nimbus]

@graceful radish - now that's a dude I care about as he directly supports important things we can all agree on

playing old video games on a huge 128" TV is not one of them as an only gimmick

I connected my MSX to a TV like this for a bit

this is the retro experience for me

not some upscaling BS

[zinc dew]

Yeah true lol

I like upscaling BS though

upscale to 4K and apply all the filters to make it look like a CRT

[orchid nimbus]

does it emulate the smell of burning dust?

the warm glow and humming of the tubes?

[zinc dew]

I enrage both the CRT and OLED fans at the same time win/win lol

[orchid nimbus]

nope it doesn't... because it's snake oil

[lament escarp]

Already made a config file for the rt4k with direct video. Really looking forward to that.

[orchid nimbus]

et tu @lament escarp

[zinc dew]

you’re vampier oil

[orchid nimbus]

I want my retro gaming consoles powered by 1950s Westinghouse generators that run on coal.. else it's not the real experience

you can notice the fluctiations.. not this modern electricity that they pump out these days

[lament escarp]

Must be danish or netherlandish or sumin

[orchid nimbus]

Et tu, Brute?

you don't read do you 😄

[zinc dew]

Please move off topic chat to #general-banter or #spicy-off-topic

[orchid nimbus]

dat komt dan mooi uit 🙂 hier is hoe het is om dislektisch te zijn 😄

@zinc dew you failed as your task as moderator by not pointing out the off topic BS

😄

[zinc dew]

@orchid nimbus

gif_police.gif 🚨

[lament escarp]

Nah just n64 audio books. (Gotta keep it in-topic, the mods are merciless today.)

[mild ether]

I do like the smell of burning dust on vintage electronics.

Old radios.

[lament escarp]

Makes me feel they're about to explode.

[orchid nimbus]

some of those programs that can't find any stick - just disable stick 2/3/4

seems to work for me

fractal zoomer for example

[zinc dew]

@lament escarp I was kidding earlier. Mike Chi is cool. Let me know what you think of the 4K when you get it. I don’t know anything if 4K upscaling!

[wraith estuary]

I was about to ask what the controversy was.

Other than the price

[lament escarp]

I learned not to ask about drama. He says the same thing about you.

[zinc dew]

Huh, I’m sorry if I offended anyone.

[lament escarp]

Nah this time I was kidding. 😄

[zinc dew]

LOL

fml you got me

I was like oh no, I actually really respect the guy and his products lmao

I don’t know him personally though

[lament escarp]

I only had a few chats with him but he is really helpful and funny. Dunno how someone couldn't like him.

Was all regarding the retrotink 5x and best cables for consoles, so nothing personal.

[zinc dew]

I’ve never had a need for an upscaler

But boy am I glad they exist so we don’t have to mod consoles to use them on an HDTV

but I assume I don’t need a 4K upscaler with something like the MiSTer since it produces a digital signal already

To be slightly on-topic; like if the N64 MiSTer core didn’t exist I would probably buy a tink4k or a PixelFX morph day one lol

[lament escarp]

Mister is a bonus on the rt4k to me. For things like gc and ps2 it's really great as well. And I'll use rt4k for ps3 switch ect. Just because it has a hdmi in.

[zinc dew]

Ohhh you’re right 🍻

I’m gonna badger you when you get it. Seeing GC on 4K sounds amazing.

[lament escarp]

The rt5x is already doing gc in 1440p.

[zinc dew]

Haha oh wow!

Not to be a goober but holy shit are we so fortunate and lucky. It’s amazing that really smart people can make really smart solutions so we can continue to enjoy our retro games.

Retro gaming is like a constant source of happiness for me lol

I love being here in this Discord with y’all 🍻

And to think, all their hard work just so I can play Quest 64 haw haw haw

[fair stump]

You've never even loaded that game up I bet

[lament escarp]

And it's a refuge from not so well intentioned publishers like ea or Activision, can't put lootboxes in my medal of honor on ps1, can they?

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew I'm sure Mike Chi makes good stuff and puts a lot of effort and dedication into it - it's not my product - just as MARS FPGA is not my product - but atleast the retrothink it real 😄

[lament escarp]

Yeah it's niche, but if you're not on mister or crt I'd recommend any retrotink adapter over some cheap ones.

[topaz otter]

who doesn't use their mister on a crt?

[zinc dew]

Me lol

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[zinc dew]

A) perfect response
B) I love that movie!

[topaz otter]

i would but my CRT weighs a hundred pounds

and those are american pounds also

not english ones

[zinc dew]

I have a CRT and a PVM too

[topaz otter]

but playing psx on it

i used to use to for nvidia 3d vision games

since I could get it to do 120hz

[lament escarp]

Only have a 77"oled and literally no space left for crt.

[topaz otter]

only 77"

was that the smallest one they had at the store

[lament escarp]

They had smaller but apparently 77" is the correct size for the distance of the wall to the couch.

[topaz otter]

nice

I got a 65" 4k tv now here in the living room

I spend my time using it to watch 4k parrots on youtube lol

[solemn marlin]

Were there ever any n64 demo cartridges? 🤔

[topaz otter]

do blockbuster rentals count?

[lament escarp]

I remember playing n64 games on kiosks, but cant remember if those were just the full games or demos.

[topaz otter]

there were definitely demos because I have the turok kiosk rom

they demoed it at E3 one year

but its not the full game, its like a hub world thing and you can pick which level

[lament escarp]

@zinc dew has some mother 3 demo stuff he is not allowed to share, but I know his secrets.

[solemn marlin]

That checks out, guess I was hoping for something akin to the psx ones, with dnb and prerendered 3d menu with an assortment of games

[topaz otter]

you mean a demo disc but on a cartridge?

[solemn marlin]

Ye

[topaz otter]

no the N64 didn't have those, cartridges were too expensive for that

they could do demo discs because cd-roms were dirt cheap and piggybacking off the PC cd-rom shareware era

[solemn marlin]

Nintendo fucked up

[topaz otter]

but there were actual demo carts like at E3 and stuff, mostly alpha and beta builds of games so people could play them at a kiosk

actually it probably wasn't a cart but flash rom cartridge thing

developers had them, it was battery backed and you could put code on it through a scsi port

[ebon kindle]

can't wait to play conker's bad fur day once it's supported and eventually get a MiSTer lol

[solemn marlin]

They could've made a type of everdrive, a demo cartridge, allowing you to load it up with psuedo sd-cards that could come with magazines and stuff

[topaz otter]

i saw that gif and though it was tim the dementor lol

[topaz otter]

it was too early for that, flash memory was expensive. They were still using mask rom for carts at that point

[solemn marlin]

Sorry, don't tell anyone I said that.. just trying to save late nineties nintendo

Yea I guess, difficult to compete with cd tbh

[topaz otter]

if they hadn't screwed up with the N64, they couldn't have made billions with the wii later

[lament escarp]

I never liked the wii motion controls, but there were amazing games like metroid prime 3, xenoblase and fatal frame 4 (thx for not localizing that one)

Also, remember operation rainfall? Wii fought tooth and nail for our games back in the day.

[teal oyster]

and bowling with your granny

the way it brought even non gamers together was pretty unique and cool

[oblique remnant]

Quake 2 shows regression. maybe the same effect as seen in automobili lambo that was posted earlier today

[native mesa]

Compact flash was around then but it was still expensive. The size required probably cost more than an actual game. Nintendo did have a plan but it fell through and never made it to the states N64 DD was supposed to be the answer to no optical storage.

[tulip coral]

Sincere sincere thanks @wanton sun. The other half and I have had a blast with this 😊

[orchid nimbus]

if you play Shotgun Mario 64 you'll have an extra blast 😄

https://romhacking.com/hack/shotgun-mario-64

[thorn flax]

play shotgun mario 64 with a guncon2

[tulip coral]

Hah true but after 120 stars I’m about done with Mario 64 🤣

For now anyway

[orchid nimbus]

nerd 🙂

[tulip coral]

In my defence it was the mrs pushing us to the 120 stars… glad she did tho it was a great time

[latent galleon]

mario 64 really is improbably good

[tulip coral]

All through the game it felt unreal that this was a launch title. True masterpiece start to finish (except that damn big little world)

[orchid nimbus]

Mario 1 / Marrio 3 / Super Mario World / Mario 64 and Mario Wonder

I think those are the most important Marios released

[zenith orchid]

I heard someone say Mario Wonder reminds them of every 2d Mario game after new super mario bros

[modern sleet]

Ok, i've sent what I can to robert to hopefully address the interlaced issue

[daring meteor]

Will be curious to see what caused it

[modern sleet]

In theory it should be an easy fix, but its not 🙂

Its really just vblank

[daring meteor]

Huh

[modern sleet]

and how things line up within it between the two interlaced fields

[daring meteor]

Cause the last build really did seem like an easy fix

[modern sleet]

Yeah, but that little block of missing pixels

Is the problem

Here is a comparison of the vblanking between the two

The current core eats into the active video window and it shouldn't

[daring meteor]

Ah

Second half scanline

Didn't think there would be a half scanline in front porch

[modern sleet]

Shouldnt be haha

You can actually see it

[daring meteor]

Yeah I see now

[orchid nimbus]

@modern sleet you got more patience than me with this 😄 I just sit back and enjoy the core on a CRT when it's all done

[fringe sigil]

Banjo must have a Pi device or some future tech Analogue Pocket because he seems to be playing one of the challenges from Banjo-Kazooie on his Game Boy-looking handheld😂🤪

[vapid moat]

Nah, I think he's a hoarder

Holds the only copy of the unreleased Banjo-Kazooie GB Prototype

[trim seal]

Not seeing that issue on mine

[modern sleet]

Whatever it takes to allow robert to focus on more importants things like TLB 😉

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-avengers-endgame-whatever-it-takes-gif-14766286

https://tenor.com/view/insane-insanity-jim-carey-gif-13068014

[woeful grove]

sorry you called?

I only use good tvs

[modern sleet]

That little 8 inch pvm gets warmed up every few months

years?

[woeful grove]

years. And it has to wear a dunce hat when it's out of it's box.

[modern sleet]

haha

[orchid nimbus]

my 8" CRT identifies as a 12" ....

[modern sleet]

Hows the risk of burn in with those fancy displays?

[woeful grove]

virtually nil

less than a crt i'd say

thank god for modern technology, eh?

[modern sleet]

I always hear mixed reviews on that

[woeful grove]

well, people with old tv's get burnin, and people with new ones dont

that's pretty much how it shakes out

they are so confident in it now they make monitors

[zenith orchid]

modern TVs get burnout rather than burn in right? the LEDs gradually get dimmer?

[zealous hull]

Heya folks, sanity check.

I'm still not having any luck with the OoT-MM combo randomizer, I suppose that still hasn't been working for anybody else?

Unfortunately, not quite sure what system settings would be ideal for it--I would assume MM vanilla would be closest.

[worldly flint]

Possible regression: Smash Remix characters are flashing to random colors.

This was happening with an old core version and went away as more texture modes were added

[dusty tusk]

I'll buy whatever display is 100 freedom units

[azure hatch]

Has anyone heard if TLB is still on the table for this core? I just watched one of VGE's videos where he indicated he thinks we're at a phase for bug testing which seems odd unless Robert is not implimenting TLB ya know?

[fair stump]

TLB is the very last thing that will be added

Because it makes debugging difficult

Best to tighten up everything else first

[azure hatch]

Ah I hadn't heard that, I figured it was because it may not fit. I wonder what it is about TLB that makes debugging change.

[compact depot]

Crazy memory addresses

Full TLB might not fit but there’s a mini-TLB idea on the table

[vapid hawk]

i'd bet money Rob will make it fit

enough of it to play every commercial game at the least

[versed cairn]

The idea is tlb can go up to 32 simultaneous address but because having more then a few active invites a huge performance penalty no games used more then 8 or so

[marble cargo]

I think some of the TLB functions aren't even used.

Might be wrong on that.

[vapid hawk]

perhaps only by the linux you can get compiled for n64

but that... basically doesn't matter

[cerulean elk]

TLB comes last 🙂 or near to it

As @fair stump mentioned adding TLB now complicates the fixes / bug squashing