Nintendo 64

[solemn marlin]

That'd be a dope official release, black screen, fade in title, MARIO, inception sound

The dark and gritty origin tale of mario, before he turned super

[chilly ember]

Just mario going around doing plumbling jobs

[devout leaf]

The gritty Wrecking Crew reboot

[lament escarp]

Finally we can find out WHY peach baked him the cake.

[wanton sun]

testbuild is only in the channel for now, not via autoupdate as it's only a early test of the async video out module. HDMI should be correct with right refresh rate, but analog out is not yet done

[fair stump]

Based on this description, no game specific fixes?

[wanton sun]

no. main purpose is correct speed, centering, viewport and aspect ratio

[fair stump]

👍

[wanton sun]

although i bet the aspect ratios are not right yet, they still need to be set, but it's only changing a number now

(if only i knew that number 😅 )

[lament escarp]

Iirc you mentioned async being a necessary step for cropping, I'm very happy to see this!

[wanton sun]

there is a vertical crop option now

and a "fixed blanks" option

fixed blanks will make the screen always do 640x240 pixels, no matter what the game does. It basically emulates the viewport of a CRT without overscan

if the games uses less resolution, you get black bars

[lean spruce]

So these changes are not affecting the analoge out as its still worked on, correct?

[wanton sun]

they affect the analog out, but it's not really correct yet

you can try, but at least interlaced will still have issues

[daring meteor]

Async video, very nice

How much did it cost?

[lean spruce]

ok, but it wont add black bars if resolution is lower then?

[wanton sun]

it's the very first version of a complete rewritten module, so expect issues

[latent galleon]

this is good update.

[wanton sun]

the module itself is the same size as the old sync one, but the PAl/NTSC clock reconfigure costs about 2% of the FPGA

[stuck summit]

Awesome update

[lean spruce]

will try it now, see how it looks

[daring meteor]

Ah, 2% is quite a bit

[wanton sun]

it's a module directly from altera that does it, not optimized at all. I tried to write my own version but it didn't work. Unfortunatly the PLL interface is not really documented, so i tried to capture what the altera module does, but it didn't work out

it seems like i'm writing the same to the PLL but it will not change the clock

will do another attempt with fresh mind in some weeks. I think the size of that module can be reduced by 80% or so

[daring meteor]

The most important question: Can we set mario kart to perfect in the compatibility list now

[daring meteor]

Fair enough

[wanton sun]

let's wait at least until the timings are really final

also i need to do the same for audio as well, even though this should be a smaller task

(audio uses the video clock, not system clock)

[lean spruce]

Left is old version, right is async. So async currently cuts off a bit of the left side

[daring meteor]

Ah, got it

[fair stump]

Is this new vs old?

[lean spruce]

Added message

[wanton sun]

if that is all, it seems like a easy fix 🙂

[tender pine]

Will motion adaptive be possible for those few games which allow 480i?

Also. Did I hear a 5x crop has been added in the latest build?

[zenith orchid]

since we didn't see motion adaptive de-interlacing in PSX, I think its even more unlikely on N64

[chrome quest]

Quick PAL tests. Seems also to be slightly left shifted as @lean spruce found.
Fixed Blank seems to also crop well for a 640x288 PAL game.
World Driver Championship alot more stable. On old core analog output would jitter as resolutions changed.
Now from full screen menu -> Letter box intro cutscene -> full screen menu/gameplay. All smooth.
The in-game resolution switch to "HI-RES" that puts borders back on with increased resolution in the viewable portion, also now great on both analog output and HDMI

[wanton sun]

i would think we see a 480p option sooner than a motion adaptive deinterlacer, but with mister you never know. Tomorrow somebody could be making a pull request for the scaler to have it

[daring meteor]

Ooooh, this is a neat method to do interlacing I see

Counting half lines instead of full lines

But I see its of size 1024?

Can it not be more?

PAL is 625 lines, times 2 that's 1250

[topaz otter]

be funny if its just the gameshark rom

[daring meteor]

The gameshark rom doesn't work?

Iirc its kinda important because you can copy cpaks with it

[topaz otter]

not sure, maybe it does

but does the NES emulator that loads in the gameshark work yet

[wanton sun]

PAl is 625 half lines 😉

[daring meteor]

Oh right hahaha

[topaz otter]

my bad, it was loading homebrew through the GS parallel port

https://github.com/hcs64/gs_libusb

you could load NEON and an nes game

i have yet to test this to see if it works on actual hardware, be neat to play megaman 2 on the NES

[orchid nimbus]

oh the first steps towards timing timings

[chrome quest]

Probably one of the known interlaced issues, but sharing in case perhaps useful.
PAL Stadium 2 (640x576i) - Top lines garbled over analog (HDMI looks fine)
Also, the analog image is quite stable, but the MiSTer OSD is nauseatingly jittery over analog when viewed in this game

[covert bough]

Don't forget conker's pocket tales

[rotund sail]

@hollow rune @weary perch @weary palm

[hollow rune]

Good question

[weary palm]

Yes?

[lilac scroll]

The development of this core and the addition of two n64 controllers to my retro nerd collection have prompted me to box and store my analogue consoles and give mister a larger, more prominent slice of my entertainment center. Thank you for all the excitement, Robert!

[hollow rune]

Hello?

[lament escarp]

I think he wanted to assemble the avangers or something.

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/PVlXYoVZHfA?si=esqXVhA5vBpUmbfB

[hollow rune]

This is my Avengers. Also, I'm Zelda. If you thought you were Zelda I have bad news for you.

[fair stump]

Dibs on dark samus

[lament escarp]

Zelda is the dude in the blue shirt, no?

[balmy dagger]

Dibs on the cliff.

[chilly ember]

Zelda and his iconic shield. Nice pick

[lament escarp]

Isn't his signature weapon the mister sword?

[hollow rune]

Your jokes remind me of this news report that my Mom and Dad showed me. https://youtu.be/iDhNAd_A2yY?si=kEyLtT5ifjEF1FGA

[modern sleet]

Might want to check the original console

It's probably closer to correct now than before but I wouldn't reference the previous build, it wasn't correct.

I'll use a real n64 for reference testing this week

[modern sleet]

Yep, interlaced needs to be tweaked

[lean spruce]

Maybe. Just pointing out that new core cuts left side. And why would N64 be off-center?

[orchid nimbus]

here is part of the title, which game is this?

[lament escarp]

Assman 64

[chilly ember]

Basshunter

[chrome quest]

Very good point. If you do a YC build I could compare, but in my also thinking PAL is left shifted, I'm comparing RGB SCART MiSTer to Composite N64.
And SCART can frustratingly shift the image, so yeah, could well be more correct now

[daring meteor]

SCART shifts the image?

[chrome quest]

On my PAL CRT, absolutely. Don't know if that's a common issue or not

[lean spruce]

It would surprise if the N64 shifts the image when my SNES, Saturn and PSX doesnt

but hey, that sort of thing didnt bother us back then. So maybe

[modern sleet]

My real n64 has a terrible shift for a commercial console in banjo haha

The async core centers it better

The main issue right now is sync on interlaced

[lean spruce]

That would suck, to have to adjust the CRT only for the N64 though

[modern sleet]

Banjo has an odd resolution

And we probably didn't care back then haha

[lean spruce]

can you show Mario 64, since that was the game I used to test

[modern sleet]

I'll test it tonight

[minor fog]

It’s pretty common with rgb scarts. If you have one of the ps2 scarts with the ‘dvd mode’ switch you can switch between the two and see the shift (and change in picture quality).

[mortal panther]

Assassin's Creed 64

[marble cargo]

Noticed Banjo-Tooie has been shifted to the right on my modern television, but it's not too much of an issue since the game has an option to adjust the alignment.

[rose elbow]

option to adjust the alignment

they knew

[latent dagger]

Perfect dark has been reverse engineered and ported to PC 😁

[vapid moat]

Dunno if I have need for async, so far picture's been OK on my CRTs on regular core

Unless that's still due analog output timings needing to be adjusted

[crisp monolith]

The new async core fixed the issue I was having with my CRT

[chrome quest]

Enough progress to confirm Doduo mode running nice and stable. Lots to go to 100% Stadium 2 yet

[chilly ember]

Nice. Those games take forever. The speedruns are like 20 hours long when using the rentals

[chrome quest]

Yeah. I'm at least not using rentals, but not like my childhood team is well optimized by any means 🤣

[chilly ember]

I finished gym with rentals in stadium one with the teams that speedrunners used and it was still a pain

[chrome quest]

Pretty cool to digitise this screen over 20 years later (old core revision, before Doduo mode)

[thorn flax]

was it noticeable playing it at 50htz?

[chrome quest]

Noticeable how? That's all I've ever known 😄

[chilly ember]

I hate when i accidentally load the pal versions and my crt trips out

[thorn flax]

to this day I can hear the difference between pal/ntsc sonic 1

[steady basalt]

Same, Sonic 2 detects and optimize for 50hz.

[weary palm]

Or how stupidly fast SMB1's music plays in PAL.

https://youtu.be/ulqS2JOGsb4

[cold pollen]

Just sounds like the timer is running out lol

[chilly ember]

Wow that's actually kinda ridiculous. Does it speed up more when the timer is close to running out?

[barren zinc]

@chilly ember The music speeds up, yes.

[toxic pumice]

Hydro Thunder (USA) - Completeable

[desert crow]

those bonus tracks are really hard

[toxic pumice]

Most of them were okay, it was Venice Canals that I spent the longest time on 😦

until I realised you can just jump the wall and avoid a huge hairpin

[zinc dew]

Damn dude, that’s awesome!

[toxic pumice]

thank you 😄

'Pig tries to complete something that isn't a racing game challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)'

[zenith orchid]

You guys remember that version of MK64 Amped Up that doesn't properly boot on the core, like it goes to an error message screen? It actually boots now. You dont need that update anymore. @wanton sun cool huh?

[solemn marlin]

What was the difference between the versions?

[modern sleet]

@wanton sun More digging tonight and i'm not sure why this happens but on the new core with interlaced on the CSYNC out is seeing some odd step change in the sync sequence. These pulses typically represent the hsync E.g. there are three lines that are a part of the VSYNC here, but something seems a bit off, a real N64 has a duration of 185uS and has 5 distinct pulses which should be the 5 lines for vsync.

Nothing stands out here for me at the moment, so I have to do a bit more digging

[vapid hawk]

@modern sleet thanks again for all the work you do on analog output!

[brisk drum]

My crt is so ready .

[chilly ember]

So is mine

[orchid nimbus]

My body is ready

Too bad no one showed up 😦

Not my home. 🙂

[chilly ember]

Awee 😂

[chilly ember]

Kids were too scared

[orchid nimbus]

At least 1 was

[brisk drum]

Even Simon Belmont would be spooked

[chilly ember]

I didn't get any children either, but I have only been home for two hours and there's snow everywhere

[brisk drum]

I have a mountain of candy !

Muahahhahahhaha

[orchid nimbus]

Snow 🙂 no snow here it’s hot

[brisk drum]

We got snow here to

[chilly ember]

Did you go throw on a mask and go trick or treating for that mountain of candy?

[brisk drum]

Nah but my kids did , I just went along

[chilly ember]

That's the way to do it. How many pillow cases?

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/kTJQPwZ42Gc?si=DzycO5WmFCytS2xi

[zinc dew]

I handed out copies of Superman 64 for Halloween

[chilly ember]

The trick master

[cold pollen]

I bet they tasted buggy

[zinc dew]

Guys have you heard about the sequel to Mario 74 called Shotgun Mario’s

oh man what a doozie!!

[languid dune]

Worse than poison.

[cold pollen]

Actual photo of Robby at Halloween

Superman? More like Supermod

[languid dune]

That's a box filled with Brian 64s isn't it?

[cold pollen]

only Robby knows for sure

[languid dune]

Diabolical.

[hollow orbit]

Robby is notorious for his collection of Conker’s Good Fur Day.

[zinc dew]

Why is @cold pollen god tier at ai images

[cold pollen]

I was just born with it

you should see the AI art I made as a child

[modern sleet]

@wanton sun Might be even a simpler solution, I do notice the hblank on interlaced games gets cut off, but I'm not sre if that has any affect on the odd pulse on the scope. It could be something related but its hard to tell without diving into the new vsync / hblank logic

This probably screws up the HSync throwing the beginning of the frame off

and there is so much going on with Hblank right now in the Async module, ill see if anything pops out for you before I start diving into it 😄

[chilly ember]

@zinc dew were you a developer for WWF No Mercy? Why are you in this game?

[zinc dew]

LOLOL

holy shit are those animated gifs for real

[night saddle]

haha that ass shot before "TOO COOL"

[orchid nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096015979055697940/1169012392835940503/image.png?ex=6553daa1&is=654165a1&hm=864863afaee41d21c1df32f6076819f6097c23780b44cd411a712f211a89bd5b&

[wanton sun]

Can confirm Dodri mode also works in stadium 1 PAL 😅

[wanton sun]

i can take a look why the hsync is shorter. But i'm not sure what you mean with hblank logic...i thought it's not needed for analog out? i use it to shape the image for hdmi/scaler

[wanton sun]

after looking into i see it now: hblank is shorter, but hsync is not. What is hblank used for in analog out?

[versed cairn]

I believe it’s the blanking out of the beam while it goes back to the other side of the screen to draw the next line.

[wanton sun]

vblank/hblank is used by the scaler to tell it there is no pixel in this area, but vga out has no blanks, only syncs

so i currently don't see why the shorter blank could influence the CRT image

the scaler on the other hand will not care, hblank and vblank is or-combined to one signal anyway

[quick otter]

blank period it's union of front porch, back porch and sync pulse

beam goes back only in sync pulse

different horizontal front or back porches can move image left or right

[wanton sun]

that's also my understanding, so i assume the sync is too short or at the wrong spot, but MikeS already measure the length to be right

[daring meteor]

Hblank isn't used but the absence of RGB is

[quick otter]

blanking it's always at 0v (so black)

[wanton sun]

at the point near vsync, color is always black

[quick otter]

i think framework only uses VGA_DE to know if show pixels

I prefer this schematic

[wanton sun]

capture of odd/even frame

looking at it, it seems strange that vsync is same length for both, but makes sense, but frames end after 525 half lines

so they behave the same, but i guess they should not

[quick otter]

I think field does not affect to sync pulses, so odd/even frame it should be the same

[daring meteor]

Stupid question but

hpos = videoout_settings.VI_H_SYNC_LENGTH or hpos = videoout_settings.VI_H_SYNC_LENGTH(11 downto 1))

Wouldn't this trigger 3 times in a line?

[wanton sun]

why? it triggers midline and end of line

[daring meteor]

Wouldn't it trigger twice in a midline?

[wanton sun]

why? e.g. hpos goes from 0 to 3000 and length is 3000, then length(11 downto 1) is 1500, so it triggers when hpos is 1500

[daring meteor]

Oh right, division by two is only by one side haha

[wanton sun]

it's always possible i have some mistake in there, so good to double check 🙂

[rare flint]

Hi there!

I've save files from N64 Everdrive with .sra and .eep extension; how can I convert theme in .sav format I can use in MiSTer core?

[zinc dew]

This will probably not work but have you tried renaming them to .sav and with the same game name?

[rare flint]

Uhm no, I can try...

[zinc dew]

Checked the save file converter site and nothing yet for N64 - https://savefileconverter.com/#/mister

[rare flint]

I've tried with a simple rename but the game it doesn't get the save at all...

[zinc dew]

yah sorry, that was the only thing I could think of

[wanton sun]

the core is just using the raw data for eeprom/sram/flash, so if you find out the format of the everdrive file, you can probably extract it

.sra sounds like sram, .eep like eeprom

[rare flint]

Hallo Robert, thanks! And how can I find the format used in the ed64 everdrive?

ah ok

[wanton sun]

but i assume they are not just 32 kbyte for .sra and 0,5 /2kbyte for .eep?

[rare flint]

sra 32kb

[wanton sun]

let me see

[rare flint]

eep 2kb

thanks!

(I've added SM64 to add a supported game)

[wanton sun]

the sram file is endian swapped

oot, you need something the swap the endianess

someone posted a script here a while ago to do that, in case you are on linux

[rare flint]

yes I can use linux!

do you remember the name of the tool?

[wanton sun]

no, but i found that: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/239543/is-there-a-oneliner-that-converts-a-binary-file-from-little-endian-to-big-endian

"hexdump -v -e '1/4 "%08x"' -e '"\n"' input_file | xxd -r -p > output_file"

[rare flint]

fantastic, I'll try it now!

[wanton sun]

this is how the first 8 bytes should look like:

[native mesa]

Ooh! Proper analog out! Keep up the great work!

[rare flint]

uhm ok this is the file converted but it doesn't work

[zinc dew]

Is your rom named the same thing?

[compact skiff]

There's nothing in the file but the header and a bunch of AA's.

[rare flint]

yes @compact skiff I see, I think that the swapping is not right

[rare flint]

yes

[compact skiff]

The header matches what I have in my save though, so at least we know that part of the convertion is working.

[rare flint]

ok guys my bad

the conversion was correct but the original .sra file was not correct one... it seems I've played oot in USA versione not EU, on my original N64 with evedrive!

I've tried the USA .sra -> .sav byte swapping and it works! Thanks @wanton sun ! I'm wondering if I can use the Usa .save with Pal version of the game in the core...

Ok it seems I can, only... the name is "corrupted", but the game starts in PAL with the saved progress in NTSC

[native mesa]

Spooky

[rare flint]

ok, found this... https://github.com/xoascf/ZeldaSaveTool

[solemn marlin]

What was unproper about it before? I've only used crt and it mostly looks what I imagine original hardware looked

Especially with that interlace fix

[native mesa]

I think it was essentially hard coded video modes

[solemn marlin]

Sorry I'm dumb, you mean the output varies from game to game and it didn't show before?

[wanton sun]

in theory it could, however it seems all games use the same. Basically 4 variants: NTSC/PAL and 240p/480i

the viewport inside that might be different however, e.g. some games use less height

[worn delta]

I didn't know this save conversion web tool was so comprehensive, that's really impressive. Who is behind it? Might be worth letting them know about the N64 core if they are interested in supporting converting N64 save files.

[solemn marlin]

I see, I guess that variance wasn't there before then but the picture itself has not bothered me. I think I even recall weird black borders on original hardware from when I played it back in the day, on certain titles at least

[wanton sun]

the main issue with the old video out was the wrong speed. It was 60.1hz but should be 59.8

[native mesa]

Yeah by proper I mean true to hardware. A few put a lot of effort into getting the previous method looking good

[wanton sun]

and it seemed to have problems for some crts

with the current solution we can have it behave exactly like the real n64

[solemn marlin]

I understand, that's why you're matching waveforms I guess

[chrome quest]

Don't know if you saw earlier Robert, but any notes I and someone else had on a slight image shift also needed to be confirmed. Mike was going to have a look. Might well not need any adjustments on that front either

I was probably just seeing the SCART shift of MiSTer, unlike my composite connected N64

[topaz otter]

is this that BEN DROWNED meme

https://tenor.com/view/ben-drowned-gif-20744686

[wanton sun]

it's probably not 100% right yet, i would assume the centering needs to shift slightly and interlace also fixed, but well, it's a first try. I'm glad hdmi out is already working well and analog out is showing not too far off

[chrome quest]

It's really great for improved stability already. But yeah, only to say disregard my own offset report unless I can make a like for like comparison 🤣 I'm sure others have the means

[modern sleet]

Yeah the offset is really not an issue, it might be oy very lightly off a real n64

As for hblank, it's only purpose is to fill in extra time for the CRT to be timing correctly with the set pixel clock

Also is the happy spot for the colorburst signal and obviously where the Hsync is set

I still need to see if how vpos_half is set may be causing the issue

But first I just want to see why there is a long pulse during the vsync as well as it being 30uS longer than a real 64 as well as the old core

[native mesa]

how do you measure this stuff? like a fancy oscilloscope?

[modern sleet]

From observation a real n64 is 185 uS, the old core 190uS, the new core is around 220uS

Ill do more digging after work tonight

[wanton sun]

what is 185us? vsync?

[modern sleet]

Just vsync yeah

[wanton sun]

both 240p and 480i?

simulation says it should be 190us

[modern sleet]

The old sync was closer to that right now it seems like it's around 220 but there is long pulse that shows up, I've not found out why

[wanton sun]

very strange, as it should not be 220us, i cannot see why the simulation would be wrong

[modern sleet]

It's like the Hsync starts way too soon

For the first frame

Don't mind the colorburst signals, you can ignore them

[wanton sun]

the length is 3 lines: 3094 clock cycles per line, 48.68mhz = 20.542ns * 3 * 3094 = 190.670 us

[modern sleet]

The step increases are the start of a new line eg it's the Hsync

[wanton sun]

i could imagine hsync and vsync being not aligned right to each other

[modern sleet]

This is what it looks like with 240p

The old sync core looked similar

[wanton sun]

yes, that's what it should look like

i currently don't see why 480i looks different

but sorry, don't want to disturb your work, take your time!

[modern sleet]

Yeah more signal tapping later haha

[wanton sun]

if i can do anything, just tell me

[native mesa]

Things are looking really good on my CRT on the current version. So exciting

[weary palm]

Yes

[weary palm]

Oooh, nude mister. Naughty.

[native mesa]

nude tayne

[weary palm]

Are you sure?

[orchid nimbus]

mine is still thinking 😄

I told AI to make the oyster look like Mike Matei

[daring meteor]

Mike tests on SVideo even while he probably shouldn't hahaha

[devout leaf]

Could you kick up the 4d3d3d3?

[rare flint]

about the "save files matter", I've found a Python byte swapper for N64 files: https://github.com/ssokolow/saveswap

[native mesa]

When did audio start working in Portal 64?

[rare flint]

ok @wanton sun and @zinc dew so if anyone is interested with this tool you can also correctly edit the names in Zelda saves! - > https://github.com/jgazeley/zelda64

[zinc dew]

That’s awesome!

[compact skiff]

I don't have the exact date, but I was able to find this:
#1096015979055697940 message

[uncut gyro]

At least a month ago

[native mesa]

This is nsfw lol like subliminal messaging in The Little Mermaid

[clever turret]

What about converting a Majora's Mask save for ED .sav>.fla and vice versa

[wanton sun]

should be the same

if the size is 128kbyte -> either rename or rename and endianswap

[thorn flax]

awbacon mentioned when it happened in one of his n64 update videos

[prisma ivy]

Referring back to the scope screenshots back there, THIS is why I love the MiSTer project: dedication and the strive for accuracy! You devs rock!

[compact lark]

Anyone on CRT here prefer the look of N64 on Composite vs Svideo?
I dunno why, but the sharper SVideo make some of the ugliness of the N64 more apparent to me. The blurrier composite just makes the N64 look right to me

[prisma ivy]

Composite is just vaseline on top of vaseline

[orchid nimbus]

I smear vaseline over my CRT

[compact lark]

Composite is additional anti-aliasing...

Jk that sounds insane

[prisma ivy]

This guy retro games

[orchid nimbus]

I also will only game over RF

[mortal panther]

The entirety of my real N64 console experience took place on two different 27" Sony Trinitrons via S-Video over the years, so that is how I will always fondly remember it looking.

[mossy vector]

I needed svideo because that smearing to the right of similar colors was just way too excessive and was constantly fighting those muddy brown colors. Comb filters weren't that great on a 1989 era TV.

Dark caves were unplayable and I think I logged all of 50 seconds of Doom before hitting the nope button.

[languid dune]

I played my N64 via s-video for its entire run, since I just used my old SNES s-video cable that I already had at the time. It was nice when Nintendo used the same format for their cables for 3 generations in a row!

I couldn't imagine what N64 would look like over composite video.

[brisk drum]

Like I remember it lol … I didn’t know squat about the differences between video options

It all looked amazing to me at the time

I feel like a new build is currently being compiled ..

[broken cradle]

Instead of searching for razors in candies, parents spent all night looking for superman 64 carts

[elfin depot]

RF

Composite

[vapid hawk]

between how soft the n64 is in general, and how excellent its composite actually is, it hardly makes any difference at all

its weird.

svideo and rgb are only very marginal upgrades

[keen hazel]

At least they don't have dot crawl and color bleed

[mild ether]

I tried S-Video on MiSTer for some of the other cores and the video was super clean, much better than I recall the original hardware. Not sure how much of that is MiSTer magic and how much was that I was using pro grade cables and connectors.

[native mesa]

RGB with most of the VI features disabled was pretty good on original hardware but now we can disable dither which is amazing

[mild ether]

Either way it isn't too far off from RGB that way.

[languid dune]

Madness! Chaos! It's raining cats and dogs!

[native mesa]

RF sent over the air and retrieved by an antenna I hope

[elfin depot]

Nope, N64 had a factory RF adapter:

[weary palm]

Nightmare material

[plush summit]

I got one of 'em 😛

[elfin depot]

my local game shop has a bin of them, $1 each 🙂

[old iris]

Please tell me if there are projects on the network for pro micro for n64 controller

[elfin depot]

I blame @zinc dew

[old iris]

Or can anyone tell me the pinout of the snac adapter for n64?

[woeful beacon]

these any good?

which brand?

[elfin depot]

These are the Saffun brand (only available in a 2pack on Amazon. ca but you can get individuals on amazon. com). They reportedly work great with a clamped controls available in the unstable build. There are cheaper knock-offs (knock offs of knock offs, how far we've come...) as well.

[woeful beacon]

anyone inputlag test them?

[fair stump]

I believe they are lower latency than nso controllers

[woeful beacon]

I have the NSO controller and its good but clearly sloshy on the input lag

[woeful beacon]

smh I feel like I paid too much for this stupid thing haha

[fair stump]

But the stick doesn't reach the 8 way gate so you don't get the click

[woeful beacon]

interesting

might grab one for shits and squiggles

[elfin depot]

Robby breaks down the pros & cons here: #1096015979055697940 message

[woeful beacon]

hold up can they be used wired?

[elfin depot]

I don't believe that was mentioned, at least I hadn't seen it anywhere

[woeful beacon]

https://www.amazon.com/Classic-Controller-iNNEXT-Joystick-Raspberry/dp/B07449HLKJ so its not this one then?

[zinc dew]

I haven’t tried but it’s extremely low latency and comes with the 2.4ghz usb receiver so no point.

[woeful beacon]

batteris?

or is it some internal thing?

[zinc dew]

USB-C rechargeable

It’s all on the product page

[woeful beacon]

bleh

how about the one above right there that is wired?

same brand right?

[zinc dew]

Says it is in the product description

[woeful beacon]

no I mean the one I just linked

[zinc dew]

Yeah, says it’s usb wired in the product description.

Err title

[woeful beacon]

haha sorry

im being an idiot

[elfin depot]

Ah yes, they do make a wired version, not sure anyones tested it here

[woeful beacon]

let me rephrase

[zinc dew]

With knock-off products it’s tough to say if it’s the same brand

[woeful beacon]

• has any one played with the wired version I linked above

[woeful beacon]

true

[zinc dew]

I don’t have SAFFUN for example but it’s a SAFFUN controller

[woeful beacon]

the thing with all these brands I worry about is longevity the most

[zinc dew]

It’s $20

[woeful beacon]

thats why I went with the uber expensive NSO

but yeah the latency is kinda sus on it

[zinc dew]

I have both

[elfin depot]

that can be said of the origial N64 controller as well (well, at least the joystick, if you owned any of the mario party titles)

[woeful beacon]

also how is the dpad on the saffun?

about the same?

unfortunately very important for me as I intend to do sin & punishment soon

and I'll end up with a jump if the diagonals are sus

[zinc dew]

I haven’t spent much time with it honestly but it seemed fine

[woeful beacon]

yeah I gotcha

thanks all!

I might grab the wired version and goof with it, for shits

as long as its not complete dogshit which it doesnt seem to be

[zinc dew]

If you live in the US I’m sure you can return it if you’re not happy

[elfin depot]

Then I can buy it at the "boxes" outlet store 🙂

[graceful radish]

The wired model is slower

Sorry, I meant to publish all of my findings but want to do it in context and don't have enough time

Maybe I can get something put together

[zinc dew]

Yeah NP

do you remember what the latency was on the wireless?

[woeful beacon]

yeah unfortuantely thats why I get shit from amazon

because its so easy to return

[woeful beacon]

oh fascinating

lol nintendo controllers have to follow the new switch standards

wired slower, wireless faster

fuckin insane makes no sense

I think I might just go OG controller at this point... and maybe get a fancy mod

[graceful radish]

(Shameless promotion inbound)

Reflex Adapt has the fastest response of any measured USB N64 controller or USB adapter

[woeful beacon]

https://steelsticks64.com/products/ this is the fancy shit right

[woeful beacon]

link?

[zinc dew]

Yes, I can vouch for that. It’s the best for OG controllers.

[elfin depot]

For N64, IMO the controller hierarchy of the ones I own:

Wired:
If you have good originals - Snax64 then you can use all the OEM gear, transfer pacs, rumble, etc
If you have good originals and don't want to mess with SNAX - Reflex + N64 adapter (and you can get the other adapters and have the ultimate OEM controller collection)

For Wireless:
Saffun
NSO (it keeps disconnecting otherwise would be a good bet)

[woeful beacon]

I love how everyone has these tier lists

and I use NSO wired

and no one on Mister discord likes wired

[graceful radish]

I do!

[woeful beacon]

I dont know why, I'm hardcore wired

[woeful beacon]

lets go chop

my homie

my kin

https://steelsticks64.com/products/ so this is what I want right?

[graceful radish]

SNAX64 and Reflex Adapt hopefully due later this month

[zinc dew]

I have kids and pets so wired is tough for me.

[woeful beacon]

I have one of those but I dont play n64 on my tv is the thing

I do retro gaming on 27 inch pc monitors

[zinc dew]

Ah nice

[woeful beacon]

the Tv is for the ps5 and all that 4k hdr shit

[graceful radish]

https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt

Arm wrestling with the PCB factory right now but still hoping for end of month

[woeful beacon]

Reflex adapt has 0.0007 to 0.003 seconds of latency.

[graceful radish]

Don't mean to clog up the channel

[woeful beacon]

lamo

UP TO 3 ms

[elfin depot]

And being updateable the Reflex keeps getting better everytime I use it.

[woeful beacon]

this is sick

[graceful radish]

And will soon have Switch and Xinput support

[woeful beacon]

but uh

how do I plug in certain controller types?

[graceful radish]

There are adapters for nearly all controllers

[woeful beacon]

where those be at

is there like a

ahem

[graceful radish]

It's a way of standardizing data pins, power, and ground

[woeful beacon]

DONGLE with a bunch of em?

https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?_pos=2&_psq=snac&_ss=e&_v=1.0&variant=39785701671045 these?

[graceful radish]

Yeah

[elfin depot]

Nice thing is they also work with SNAX and SNAC, so you can use the dongles with either

[woeful beacon]

so far I have not had to use this stuff because all my stuff has worked wired, until this core... :

[elfin depot]

AND who else makes an adapter to use a Virtual Boy controller?

[woeful beacon]

now this core comes along and fucks my whole vibe

[mortal panther]

I know exactly what you mean. I thought that was so cool to be able to use the same SNES S-Video A/V cable on the N64. That was one of the easiest new console hookups I had ever experienced.

[woeful beacon]

@graceful radish so uh - when you gonna get more of the fancy things in?

or rather, do I need official channels to sign up for the next batch lol

if it helps I'm a repeat customer 😛

[woeful beacon]

got this but just mean for orders

[graceful radish]

Adapts are overdue but I'm hoping for the end of the month

Factory is struggling a bit

[woeful beacon]

no worries, I'll keep an eye out

yeah I'm in no rush

[graceful radish]

More info on my server if you want it

[elfin depot]

sign up for the email notifications on the product page

[woeful beacon]

just tryna weigh my options to have it all setup like my other cores - "official-ish" controller

arguably the core with the most important controller for the right feel, and the one that seems to be the most complicated

smh

https://steelsticks64.com/products/ anyone do the steel bowl shit?

[graceful radish]

N64 controller is a masterpiece that's hard to replicate

[woeful beacon]

yeah ive seen the cad drawings its willld

[graceful radish]

People use steelsticks and other aftermarket parts

[frail jolt]

@graceful radish guy makes a few shit products for the mister and he thinks he can just come in here and peddle his snake oil

Be gone man who sells only promises but delivers despair

.....real talk, love Misteradd-on products ... just being a jerk for a laugh...

[graceful radish]

Haha I'm trying not to push my stuff too much

[frail jolt]

Honestly I chrck uour site like 1ce a week to see what's new

[graceful radish]

I'm working on email marketing since the product releases are sometimes fast, and othertimes really delayed

[frail jolt]

Mostly when I'm bored and 💩'n

[graceful radish]

Oh, nice! I've always dreamed of my site filling that role

@woeful beacon if you want to get straight to it, SNAX with an N64 adapter gets you in the game today

SNAX64 just adds support for players 3 and 4

[woeful beacon]

wont need that because I got no friends, I signed up mail wise for the reflex cuz it looks neat 🙂

looks flexible

I like that

[frail jolt]

Oooo emails... can be rough...I never check my email unless I know something is coming..like an order status or something

Best marketing fir ne is youtube personalities

[woeful beacon]

Ive also got NSO controller that might work just fine, like for the casual N64 gaming that I'll be doing

at some point gotta consider how much I'll be actually playing, and then go from there

but the Reflex seems useful beyond that

[frail jolt]

I'd say hit up retro rgb, vge and cherry ninja and have some loose agreement for buying at cost for review or something

[graceful radish]

Yeah but my customer base is pretty wide and I'm not reaching them through Twitter alone. Happy to work with Youtubers!

[woeful beacon]

prob smart and also I would say go to digital foundry

they have been doing lots of retro stuff recently

they're cool people

[topaz otter]

one day n64 enthusiasts will go the delorean route and buy their own factory just to produce OEM N64 controllers

[woeful beacon]

because of stuff like mister tbh

I mean retro gaming is so alive and well

and people in their 30s and 40s have money

it'll happen

in some way

[graceful radish]

I looked into it but there's a lot to get wrong and the Saffun controller is PRETTY good.

My main gripe is that the joystick gate is a little different than OEM

[woeful beacon]

@graceful radish what I dont understand is

why the input lag

like isnt that just a pcb problem?

that is so odd to me

because I figured PCBs and Lag has already been solved

but I know the joystick is funky with their sensors

[graceful radish]

Which one are we talking about?

[woeful beacon]

for example the Saffun wired or NSO wired vs the Saffun wireless

why would the latter be so much less laggy

NSO wired I get because of nintendo's bullshit these days

[graceful radish]

I haven't found a controller company that really cares about latency

That's one reason I started the Reflex product line

Porkchop certified low latency accessories

[woeful beacon]

it seems like retrobit wired always seemed very low, and the 8bitdo gbros is very low

of course the m30 is extremely low as well

so far, ive beeen in an awesome place as far as input lag

brook obvously cares with the UFB

[graceful radish]

Most companies have at least 1 low latency product

[woeful beacon]

right

gotcha

[graceful radish]

But it seems like a fluke since their others aren't

8bitdo doesn't use the same microcontrollers for each controller

I think it's outsourced

[woeful beacon]

interesting

[compact skiff]

Don't know if anyone else chimed in, but I purchased this one before getting the wireless one and I ended up returning it. Everything was fine except for the analog stick. The range was jacked. It maxes out at around half tilt, even with the mister main fix.

[woeful beacon]

luckily the gbros, m30 and then the 8bitdo saturn mod kit are all low as hell latency

[woeful beacon]

lol whack

[graceful radish]

I'm also pretty much done with my Saturn replacement PCB

Started with my SNES PCB and it's super cool

0.8ms of latency

[woeful beacon]

neat - the issue is not with the pcb on saturn front imo, its just replacement rubbers

everyones dpad rubber will go at some point

no one can manufacture good dpad rubbers

it seems

[graceful radish]

Working on that too

[woeful beacon]

yeah thats big

[graceful radish]

Waiting on samples for SNES rubbers

[woeful beacon]

I mean im sure your pcb is better than 8bitdo modkit but thats splitting hairs

their modkit is good

0.8ms vs like 5ms or whatever is not relevant for anyone really

but the rubbers... oof

thats why my saturn controllers are going to hell one by one

do your PCBs have multiple modes @graceful radish ? or just the one mode?

for example I use the 8bitdo mod saturn on my switch as well

[graceful radish]

Mine use GP2040-CE firmware

Which works with Dinput, Xinput, Switch, and PS3

PS4 if you upload your keys

[woeful beacon]

figured the same yeah

good shit mayne

[graceful radish]

PS5 if I shoehorn an authentication dongle port

[woeful beacon]

dude

if you get ps5

you'd be fuckin king

there are zero good dpads for the ps4 and ps5

zero

[frail jolt]

@cerulean elk , @fallen sparrow .... help porkchop spread his word of well made goods ....

Although I feel if uou are a mister owner. You know Mraddons, I think the problem is you can get some Chinese products for cheaper..but there is a very very noticeable difference

My buddy..I went through 2 ram sticks and 2 didigtla io boards to get his running..due to just poor quality

[woeful beacon]

complete blank market

[frail jolt]

Poop... getting back to work

[graceful radish]

They're already helping, along with Lu!

I appreciate them!

[frail jolt]

Word... if I kept up with my yt channel..I'd help you too....but after 5 videos someone picked me up to help with commercials and product overviews....

Quicker money just working with a company then building a channel lol

[graceful radish]

Wow, awesome!

[fallen sparrow]

Misteraddons is the official sponsor of the Saturday news show.

Great guy, great products.

[graceful radish]

Thanks!

[fallen sparrow]

Nice

[ebon kindle]

Omg can't wait to get a mister to play Oot and MM

[cerulean elk]

More Porkchop stuff showing up on the channel for November

And some Kurt Russell references to go along with it

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got a reflex vid ready to release as soon as Porkchop does his restock so people can get hyped and pay him $$ same day lol

[woeful beacon]

yeah release it too early and all you'll get is

OH ITS ANOTHER ANALOGE POCKETE SITUATION IS IT

COOL DEVICE WITH NO STOCK HUH

and then thats it

misteraddons dies

[radiant lark]

n654

[zealous hull]

Hey, quick question on this. Do you know if TransferPak will be supported with Reflex? I've literally got your SNAC/SNAX stuff in my cart, but I'm considering double dipping.

Love your site, by the way, it's the only place I've ever gone to for my MiSTer accessories.

[cerulean elk]

Lol. I want to sell Porkchop out of Adapts day 1

[graceful radish]

Yeah I ordered 2x stock for this batch of Reflex Adapt and will put an order in soon for another batch that’s even bigger. Demand is really hard to anticipate especially when YouTube coverage can make or break it 🙂

[cerulean elk]

And then make him admit Escape from NY is superior to Big Trouble (both are amazing. But one is better 🤣)

[graceful radish]

I know that Raph-net does this but I don’t have any plans for the same functionality on Reflex. SNAX is your best bet. Sorry.

[graceful radish]

Wait, hold on there

[zealous hull]

No worries. SNAX it is. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

🤣

[zealous hull]

Oh sorry, didn't mean to derail the discussion of best Kurt Russell movie. I'm sure you all have been talking about The Thing, right?

[cerulean elk]

His second best movie after Escape from NY

(Me if anyone says Escape isn’t number 1)

[graceful radish]

Haha

[latent galleon]

i think just as importantly robert doesn't have any plans to support that either

[graceful radish]

Yeah good point

[cerulean elk]

5 min to more N64 shenanigans

[cerulean elk]

A permanent fixture

[languid dune]

Don't make it more difficult for me to get one!!

[languid dune]

lol, just commented on this in the video.

[brisk drum]

The crazy thing is that well likely have a new build in the morning

[cerulean elk]

Mobile MiSTer. Showing it to my father in law (an engineer who worked on the Apollo missions)

[solemn maple]

I'd never show such a mess of cables to my FIL

[mellow raft]

If he worked on that I guess he may have been familiar with fpga's. My dad worked at Lockheed and worked with fpga's as well so he really found the MiSTer cool.

[solemn marlin]

You're telling me we could be playing the n64 on an icbm? 🤔

[lone pewter]

i asked in the help channel but i had no answer so imma ask here :/

i have a problem ...

i just setted up the n64 core ... but when i load a game : black screen 0 FPS and no error code :/

[fair stump]

Why were they wasting time with the Apollo program and aircraft and not making fpga nes

[fair stump]

Have you tried going through the pins in this channel?

[lone pewter]

i did

i added the line to the downloader.ini

and ran update all

[solemn marlin]

Which game did you try?

[lone pewter]

then i used the diddy kong racing rom ..

and then nothing

i tried patched SM64

nothing*

tried banjo kazooie

nothing

tried diddy kong racing .... nothing :/

those are the 3 i tried for now

[fair stump]

Do you get any kind of error messages?

[lone pewter]

nah :/

i have things to stream my mister if needed ... could i hop on call with ya ? @fair stump

[fair stump]

Unfortunately I can't right now. But double check you have the latest mister main, latest test build, and the N64-database file. that's all that you need

[lone pewter]

yeah i'll check that

[fair stump]

what versions do you have?

I can check the dates for latest

[lone pewter]

need to reset to see

incomming ^^

MiSTer vs231018

OS v230501

[fair stump]

that's the latest main

[lone pewter]

N64 v231029

[vapid moat]

What connections you using? Neat-

[fair stump]

that's the latest core

[eternal ravine]

That's such a minimal setup for MiSTer video production
Love it

[lone pewter]

and for the N64-database idk ... downloaded it today with the update all

[lone pewter]

elgato capture card into PC ^^

[fair stump]

oh, do you have your bios files?

I believe you have to supply those

[lone pewter]

i do .... took them from the vampier link :/

[fair stump]

and they're renamed correctly, i assume

[solemn marlin]

You get other cores working?

[lone pewter]

yeah ...

ntsc as boot.rom and pal as boot1.rom

i got gba to run

but not really a "hungry"core ^^

gonna try snes real quick

this is a brand new (and first) mister fpga for me ...

diving into n64 right away might not have been the best idea

ok snes does not run either

maybe a sram prob then ...

[solemn marlin]

You assembled it yourself?

[lone pewter]

yep

[eternal ravine]

You have the update all script?

[lone pewter]

yes

[fair stump]

You have sdram?

[lone pewter]

i do

XS-DS v3.0 128MB

[woeful beacon]

You have the same elgato as me which means everytime it changes video mode you probably have to reset OBS amiritie or not

Oh looks like you're using the 4kapp it came with, maybe that's better about it lol

[woeful beacon]

Just pin this 😭😝

[lone pewter]

wait a min ...

most likely gonna kms now ...

[lone pewter]

GJ WP to you ...

i have the digital board ...

plugged ram on slot 2 ...

it works now.

[fair stump]

🎉

Everyone here goes through learning like that

[lone pewter]

yeah ....

i just feel stupid AF XD

[solemn marlin]

Glad it worked, yea it sounded like something with the assembly

[iron trail]

@lone pewter awesome, congrats. Welcome to the community! MiSTer is pretty awesome

[lone pewter]

i mean yeah ...

[fair stump]

Yeah I was gonna recommend the memtest next

[lone pewter]

i've been waiting too much to try mister ...

[fair stump]

Now you get to party 🥳

[lone pewter]

yeah 🙂

thx a lot guys 🙂

time to discover the library i was too young to discover now xD

[cerulean elk]

Yes he was well aware of what an FPGA does. He’d just never seen it used for “fun”

[eternal ravine]

Start with MSX and work your way forward, haha

[cerulean elk]

Travel setup. Not my studio.

[lone pewter]

yeah ... when i tested the snes core ... i remembered the gba core does not need sdram ....

[eternal ravine]

Yeah, just sayin' I dig the minimal travel setup

[cerulean elk]

Today’s video was made “out of office”

[lone pewter]

and then it clicked XD

[solemn marlin]

That was me but for the psx tbh but there are many games for both consoles I haven't played yet, good thing there's both 😏

[cerulean elk]

Showed him some N64, some Saturn but mostly the vintage PC side of things

[solemn marlin]

I like starting up some of the old computer cores and just play something awful I can't understand

[cerulean elk]

You know I showed him Matrimelee 🤣

He knows full well of my love of Neo Geo

[woeful beacon]

lmao

[lone pewter]

ok ... this is just too great.

[cerulean elk]

He loved it. Probably gonna build one for fun. Wants to get some vintage PCs running

[mellow raft]

yeah it blew my dad's mind too haha

[cerulean elk]

I offered to mail him one of mine but he wants to do a full parts build

[lone pewter]

i'm literally diying right now.

playing my childhood game .... T_T

is there any integer scaling param on N64 ?

[mellow raft]

are you actually dying in-game? for shame

[lone pewter]

all i can find is "Aspect ratio" original

[mellow raft]

integer scaling isn't really something that can be done without an emulator. that requires more processing power that the original hardware doesn't have

You can however use filters 😉

[deft tree]

now boot up Cho Aniki lol

[mellow raft]

Remember that the MiSTer is running original hardware technically. Most things have to be within the confines of what would be possible with real hardware

[lone pewter]

i mean ... on gba for exemple you can setup the thing to be either "fill the screen" or "use original scaling"

[mellow raft]

Oh you mean getting a proper integer scale. My mistake

[lone pewter]

yeah

[mellow raft]

Considering the N64 core is still a WIP, expect some things to not be perfect yet

[lone pewter]

ik ^^

just can't find it ^^ so it's not there "yet ?"

or just i'm blind XD

[mellow raft]

I mean, video output settings are generally handled by the MiSTer.ini

[fair stump]

Isn't vscale mode what to use?

In the ini? I believe that's what I do

[cerulean elk]

Hahaha should have. I didn’t have a ton installed on the SD card. It’s mostly my Saturn and N64 test MiSTer. It came along for the ride and I did todays video out of my studio

[fair stump]

Vscale_mode=1 in the ini maybe?

[lone pewter]

ok no. it's just that N64 looks "blurry"

not a "not integer ratio" it seams

[fair stump]

Oh yeah 😆

N64 exists to blur every pixel

[lone pewter]

yeah XD

[woeful beacon]

turn off the filters

[fair stump]

In the osd try flipping all the VI options off and see what you think

[woeful beacon]

yes this ^

turn all that shit off first

then maybe do textures and AA and then go from there

[lone pewter]

og wow wtf

yeah xD

[woeful beacon]

see we're not used to N64 emulation looking like the real thing any more

because N64 emulation has been such total dogshit at actually looking like an N64 and rather just upscales everything

[lone pewter]

yeah ...

[woeful beacon]

so now everything to us looks blurry

so there's some middle ground that is best

[lone pewter]

time to get back to real ^^

[woeful beacon]

right exactly

its a bit of an adjustment

pixel art and ps1 just behaves quite different than the N64

do what I do... blame nintendo for every problem in your life 😛

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-funny-lol-laughing-out-loud-giggle-gif-15515505

[lone pewter]

ok it's the antialias that blurs the shit out of it XD

[lone pewter]

yeah xD good idea xD

[woeful beacon]

not for me tbh

the anti aliasing actually helps with the edges and textures

its the bilinear filtering that for me does too much smearing

but then its also game to game

some games benefit, some games dont

isnt it grand lol

[lone pewter]

true too

[woeful beacon]

this goes back to the whole sonic waterfall bullshit

can't have it all, just gotta pick a lane

lol @orchid nimbus

[lone pewter]

anyway ... gonna go bed now ...

almost midnight here in france ^^

thx a LOT guys. could not be happier rn ^^

[woeful beacon]

thank Robert! 😛

bon nuit

[lone pewter]

thank god i'm not named robert XD

but i have a name that is Horrid to pronounce for english speakers xD

[brisk drum]

Beat his ass on some street fighter

[lone pewter]

Bonne nuit à toi aussi 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Haha he’s more of a tinkerer and less of a game player

But he wants to get the computer cores running for fun. He has half the damn computers in his garage too. He’s like me…except in his 70s

(Probably why we get along so well)

[woeful beacon]

That's fucking wholesome as fuck and please interview him for the channel

Sorry I mean

Please fucking interview him for the fucking channel

[cerulean elk]

Haha that’s better @woeful beacon maybe I will one day

Dude worked on Apollo cameras, engineered pipelines for Exxon in Libya…all sorts of interesting shit

[woeful beacon]

uhhhhhhh

microphone stat haha

[languid dune]

Wish I had more people to show off the MiSTer to. My brother-in-law is basically the only person I show it to that finds it interesting. Looking forward to showing him the progress on the N64 core since the last time he saw it like a month ago.

[mellow raft]

I've achieved two things sharing the MiSTer with friends. A friend just bought his from RetroCastle. And I learned to hate Street Cop on NES. (As my friend gets to laugh watching me on the mat)

[toxic pumice]

the computer cores are what interested my dad as well, I grew up with zx spectrum and atari st, so showing those to my father was awesome.

[woeful beacon]

no idea what this means

NSO controller wired

seems good tho

honestly not having much issues with this controller, input lag doesnt really matter much for the games im playing

but im no competitive n64 gamer, and I dont plan on fighting mike tyson on NES using this controller so 😛 there we have it lol

[orchid nimbus]

left is 3 off

up by 1

[woeful beacon]

yeah seems so

how do I fix it tho

[orchid nimbus]

oh well - not a big deal

[woeful beacon]

ye

now excuse me while I play telefoot 2000

[orchid nimbus]

wear and tear on the original hardware

[woeful beacon]

this is a brand new NSO controller

[orchid nimbus]

oh

[woeful beacon]

but yeah doesnt bother me

[orchid nimbus]

well.... don't worry about it

[woeful beacon]

noted haha

[orchid nimbus]

retry again and push harder

[woeful beacon]

hahaha uhh

prob

im good

yo does vigilante 8 work

loved that game

[weary palm]

It means that your controller is working perfectly.

[woeful beacon]

I love this fucking core

I dont know if the menus in this game are right but fuck it

gameplay is sick

[woeful beacon]

thanks

me: wheres that fucking school bus piece of shit I need to blow it up now

my wife: ....

divorce papers rustling

[elfin depot]

Oh yeah! With COPIOUS hand holding from the dev, finally got the full build of Wolfenstein 3D-64

[cerulean elk]

Seriously nobody else I know gives two shits

[woeful beacon]

the mister is irrelevent, the games are not

like to most people

if you show them something that is from their childhood and hand them the right controller

they'll get it

if you dont, well, the rest is just nerd stuff for the 1% 😛

(like me)

[solemn marlin]

Wow, that's great. You think that knowledge is transferable to the doom version?

Would love that full wolfenstein... 🥹

[cerulean elk]

Very true. It’s just a pile of random boards until you hand someone the game

[rose elbow]

i know somoene who was constantly playing kaizo SNES stuff, on their nvidia shield in living room playing off of PC (emulator) in the other room. i kept trying to tell them about MiSTer, for sure they'd notice the latency. i even brought it over one time, and they refused to look at it LOOL

i tried. some people really just don't care

[cerulean elk]

Haha I have a friend who loves retro shit. But not hardware. He will play SNES shit all day long on his phone. But hey…if he’s having fun that’s all that matters right? In the end all this hardware is just for people to have fun. So who am I to judge

I mean I love MiSTer because it’s a tinkering dream. I can spend as much time messing with the “way I play” as I do actually playing. And so much of my love of gaming is really just the “setting it up” phase

[elfin depot]

dm

[rose elbow]

save states was the big one there also

still sent me for a spin tho LOL

i do love being mister preacher tho LOL

recommending it as much as i can

[cerulean elk]

I just love “the process”. I’ve got 30+ consoles. A dozen handhelds. A dozen retro PCs. Near to 100 arcade boards. MiSTer. Pocket. Steam Deck…and I just love “getting them ready”

Give me a rare arcade board that needs repair and a custom harness and mod to work and I’m a happy man. Then i play it and the thrill is gone 😂

[rose elbow]

MiSTer with network access

it is fun the constant relationship between tinkering and playing

i guess other hobbies have it too but for me i definitely relate it to making electronic music

or any music, where half the battle is just setting things up, trying different things etc.

it's like teeing things up

last night for example i was playing Magical Hat no Buttobi Turbo! Daibouken English 0.1 with Sega 3 button NSO controller

i love mister LOL

[cerulean elk]

Needs 66 more

[mossy vector]

I am following along with this project because I like applied discrete math and embedded programming. I couldn't care less about Intel CPUs, APIs or mainstream shooters. It's all about the bits, as in the bit level logic.

And 64 bits is a lot of bits. And a lie. It's only 9 or 18 bits.

[oblique crow]

what an amazing graph, god damn

makes me so happy to be watching this happen in real time

[fair stump]

Make sure to add a marker for when it's Christmas

[oblique crow]

1 game bootable by xmas remember

over-achiever you are Rob

[stiff condor]

Which game is perfect

[rose jolt]

is there a newbie guide for setting up the n64 core?

[stiff condor]

What do you need help with

[zinc dew]

Hey friend, thanks for joining the discord and for jumping into the N64 channel. We have a bunch of pins that should help you with what you need but this great FAQ is a good place to start - https://vampier.net/N64

[rose jolt]

I haven't tested the N64 Core because I was waiting for a usb adapter, which is coming soon, so I was wondering, but I found this https://vampier.net/N64/, and I think is a good place to start!

[rose jolt]

thanks man!!!

[zinc dew]

My pleasure. I’m excited for you to check out the core. @stiff condor is an awesome example of the nice people here. We’re happy to help so don’t hesitate to ask! 🍻

[orchid nimbus]

none

[rose jolt]

Also, I LOVE the n64, is one of my favorite consoles ever

[oblique crow]

Vampier, he meant you're perfect.

[stiff condor]

Ok thanks, I couldn't tell if there was one by the chart

[orchid nimbus]

not yet

[orchid nimbus]

brown-nosing doesn't work on me

[oblique crow]

I don't do it for you,

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[zinc dew]

I dunno, we’re getting close to Christmas. Hope we can hit one playable game.

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

see the showcase at the top of the FAQ

[zinc dew]

He’s not the Vampier who wrote the FAQ btw. It’s a different Vampier.

I’m kidding

[stiff condor]

I was thinking that was some coincidence

[orchid nimbus]

dyslectic vampires are tight

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if there's a common issue preventing many playable games from being completable

[languid dune]

Whoa whoa whoa Robby! Let's keep our expectations realistic!

[fair stump]

People's time and energy 😆

[solemn marlin]

Not perfect maybe but I couldn't probably spot the difference comparing side by side on some titles

Because I'm not a nerd

[fair stump]

@zinc dew Halloween is old news, where's your Christmas spirit?

[stiff condor]

Shame

Don't skip Thanksgiving

[solemn marlin]

I'm not even sure what would satisfy the perfect score tbh

[eternal ravine]

Even if Robert meant to say Halloween for a deadline, he still beat that

[zinc dew]

Wheeeee

trees

[zenith orchid]

perfect score for?

[stiff condor]

Perfect on the core

[rose elbow]

🦃bitroast🦃

[zenith orchid]

I don't either. I think whoever made the spreadsheet added it there for the hell of it.

I remember on the PSX core, people were doing side by side frame sync tests on games like gran turismo

but that kind of thing didn't happen on every game

[rose elbow]

for some strange reason, Super Mario 64 is way more completable than Superman 64 ? 🤔 🤔

[stiff condor]

Super Mario 64 will never be perfect without TLB

[zinc dew]

Tender Loving Bits

[oblique crow]

See I heard that TLB was actu-

[lilac scroll]

The Last Build (TM)

[languid dune]

The Last Boss!

[neat sierra]

Every time someone whines about TLB Robert should push back working on it a week

[mossy vector]

Try Lesserknown Badgames

[oblique crow]

two

[lilac scroll]

On Xmas he should add the core to update all but it should only run one game

Quest 64

[oblique crow]

I have Star Fox 64 fully completeable. That'll keep me entertained for a bit

also i have an Ultra HDMI n64

so

[stiff condor]

I have an N64 Digital

Does anyone have smash remix on their MiSTer?

[mossy needle]

Yup and it works great

[rich warren]

I have my N64 I got for Christmas in 1997

[oblique crow]

Mine is too!

❤️

[rose elbow]

my childhood one is technically my brothers.. he still has it 😒

[oblique crow]

I played on xmas morning on a tv that size but it was white

[stiff condor]

I'm running into an issue with training mode and don't know if it's my setup or not

[oblique crow]

the weird thing is

i think i actually prefer composite on a CRT than HDMI on my OLED

lol

nostalgia is a hell of a drug

[stiff condor]

My N64 is from when I was a child, I reshelled it last year though

[oblique crow]

N64 of Thesius

[languid dune]

I go through withdrawal symptoms without it!

[rose elbow]

i prefer something like N64 core doing big chunky pixels over more modern emulators cranking the resolution. i feel that's kinda similar line of thought maybe?

[rich warren]

N64 needs CRT makeup to cover the seams

https://tenor.com/view/makeup-maquillaje-homer-shotgun-marge-gif-15616269

[languid dune]

I've always felt that the 32/64bit generation of console games look better at their native resolutions. I don't mind the PS2/GCN generation rendered in HD though.

[rose elbow]

oooo i think i draw the line on the generation just after :D

i saw footage of Metal Gear Solid 4 running really nicely and found that really impressive

PS2 still looks weird to me cranked up

[oblique crow]

MGS4 still at times looks like a modern game

[rose elbow]

yo DAVE were you familiar with the Doom 64 Complete Edition ?

[rich warren]

Native and contemporaneous. CRTs for standard definition and 720p plasmas for PS3/360

[oblique crow]

yo BITROAST YES MY BROTHA

OR SISTA

[languid dune]

I miss my old Panasonic plastma.

[stiff condor]

Big difference

You can see

[oblique crow]

Ah yes. Max brightness, and normal brightness

[rose elbow]

top image is Europe Doom 64. bottom is Complete Edition after i ran through the patches.. i can't seem to get the Complete Edition brightness patch to work

i'm just wanting to confirm .. the Complete Edition definitely should work right? i'm stuffing something up in the patching process?

i just want to play Doom 64 and be able to see 😭

no worries if you're not too sure

[oblique crow]

standby

looking for something

[stiff condor]

I'm playing F-Zero for the first time and I've never seen an N64 game run so smooth.

[oblique crow]

Using the stripped or standard bps?

ROM SHA1 "6FB0CE9C75BBE54B6E1EDE337652B0221E5F2AAD"

?

[rich warren]

That's what I've got. Not without their faults but the native resolution of 720p (3x 240p) and 500hz motion clarity make up for it.

[rose elbow]

i ignored stripped.
i patched doom64.bps to DOOM64.WAD (D041456BEA851C173F65AC6AB3F2EE61BB0B8B53),
and then patched the temp file to Doom 64 (USA) Rev 1 (6FB0CE9C75BBE54B6E1EDE337652B0221E5F2AAD).

and the game boots and has the new levels in the main menu.. and also the options has the toggle for Red/Green Blood

so it seems like the patch worked. it's just the Brightness in particular is still darker than the Europe/Japanese games

[oblique crow]

hm

I'm not sure buddy

[rose elbow]

all good!! 😭

i'll keep banging head against it

ahaha

[mossy needle]

I'll have to double check that. What specific problems?

[stiff condor]

When I try to move it activate the dpad features. Like they are both mapped to the stick.

[mossy needle]

Oh weird

I'll check thay

[stiff condor]

Ok thanks

[mossy needle]

Is this on SNAC or other pad?

[stiff condor]

On 8bitdo n64 mod kit and 8bitdo sn30 pro

I was thinking about getting a SNAC adapter, I've never looked into it

[zenith orchid]

gotta rename the patched doom64 wad to a bps file, and then patch the rev 1 with it. the default brightness should be max

[rose elbow]

OHH

like just doom64.bps would work ?

[zenith orchid]

yep

[rose elbow]

a lead!!!!

i'll try that

🙏

the readme pretty much skips that step lol

[zinc dew]

It’s at the bottom

[zenith orchid]

"Rename the newly generated file to give it the bps extension"

[rose elbow]

oh i did that!!

i misread 🤦‍♂️ haha

[zenith orchid]

it's a nifty form of DRM

[rose elbow]

i have no idea what im doing wrong lool

because the brightness patch also adds the additional options of being able to toggle blood to red/green

[stiff condor]

What if you apply the patch without the extra stuff

I wonder if the brightness works then

[rose elbow]

i'll try that one!