Nintendo 64

[thorn flax]

I think of it at least once a week

[mild ether]

I still don't quite understand how TLB makes it easier to program but I don't program. It seems like just extra steps.

[zinc dew]

You’re not Miyamoto so you wouldn’t get it

[thorn flax]

it means you can play with more ram, despite not having it.

perhaps dedicated madmen could reprogram most, if not all, tlb games to use the expansion pak

[gritty river]

It's not exactly that, it's an addressing system

[mild ether]

If the values are always the same what is the benefit?

[zinc dew]

The N64 isn’t a house though. Doesn’t need an address.

[gritty river]

It has some caching afaik

Also RAM and CPU cache can be seen as a big house

[native mesa]

Eh GE and PD are the only games that could really use the speed boost imo

Does jet force Gemini use tlb?

[gritty river]

I think so

http://en64.shoutwiki.com/wiki/N64_TLB

Anyway it will cost performance, but games use it

[mild ether]

I will try reading it again but I still probably won't understand why it's needed on N64 games. It just seems like since the N64 is just a game console that runs the same things over and over the physical addresses could be used directly. Unlike say a PC that things move all over the place in memory.

[toxic pumice]

Robotron 64 is craaaaaazy

Wave 100 is some full-on Smash TV shit 😐

[deft tree]

If smash remix is improper I don’t want to be high class

[zinc dew]

It’s so good holy shit

[hollow rune]

I might try this Thursday. It is running well on the Core?

[zinc dew]

it’s running fantastically

I won’t play vanilla Smash 64 no more

[hollow rune]

Goemon being in it is a big plus

[deft tree]

Seconding both things Robby just said

Even if you completely exclude all of the myriad new characters, the addition of more viable multiplayer stages is such a boon for the game

[hollow rune]

sad that Melrode is in it but Brian isn't.

[native mesa]

I assume it was more of an asset prior to expansion pack. Now hacks can utilize the expanded RAM in games that didn't

I really want Geno to be in

[hollow rune]

skull kid would also be good

[native mesa]

My only critique is I don't appreciate the post N64 era characters like dark samus

[hollow rune]

I also find that odd

[normal basin]

Are we close to experiencing a completed N64 core?

im good playing with what I have jsut curious

[hollow rune]

Hopefully before Christmas

but even then that would just be TLB

there might be more issues

like other stuff would be fixed too

but I am saying after TLB implementation, which would come after other fixes, there may still be problems

[plush summit]

Tomato Lettuce Bacon 😍

[mortal panther]

Robert has already mentioned that he will have plenty to keep him busy with this core well into the next year.

[plush summit]

I wouldn't be surprised that Rom Hacking communities will probably jump on this

[zinc dew]

I really hope so. I think there’s people who are far more educated than me who will correct me but right now the core is the best way for me to enjoy N64.

[hollow rune]

This is going to be the most bang for your buck N64 HDMI solution. I think everyone will be all over this

[plush summit]

Is it true the N64 has a size limit for games? or is it because of the largest cart at the time?

[hollow rune]

it already plays better than anything else

[zinc dew]

I prefer it over the system currently hooked up to my CRT and emulators on PC.

[normal basin]

im hoping n64 has SNAC availabilitysoon

[zinc dew]

Good question. I assume it’s due to just cart storage limitations.

[zinc dew]

It does!

[hollow rune]

It is way better than emulators, and way easier than OG hardware

[normal basin]

the recent one robert is working has snac?

[zinc dew]

wait

Yes!

I got confused sorry lol

[plush summit]

So I was trying to get b3313 to work, but people on their discord claim it wont work because its above 64MB for real hardware to work

[normal basin]

wow neat

[plush summit]

I was able to get it to the splash screen then blank

[zinc dew]

oh? That would suck if true

[plush summit]

well someone else claimed that it wasn't a size limit, just not targeted for real hardware

so its up in the air

[cerulean elk]

I’m 99% sure the N64 can address beyond 64MB. Especially if you had bank switching, etc etc. but I’d have to confirm how I “know that”

Checked. Yes it can address well beyond 64MB. So you are just talking about a cost effective limit on the manufacturing side

[hollow rune]

Maybe someone will make the epic N64 RPG of our dreams

Final Fantasy 64

[toxic pumice]

but quest 64 already exists

[safe robin]

just go and play some Monstertruck Madness!

[cerulean elk]

Looks like an effective address limit of 240MB. But with some hardware trickery you could bank switch or otherwise make an end run around that limit. Similar to how the Neo Geo had a maximum address limit of 330Mbit but in practice that was no actual limit

[plush summit]

MSU-64 when?

[cerulean elk]

Max 330 Mega Pro Gear Spec ended up with 716 mbit at the end as the largest game

[hollow rune]

Bankswitching is the coolest. I love how it is described in I AM ERROR for making backgrounds animate. Was the NES the first console to do it? Was it used in cartridge micro PC games at all?

[cerulean elk]

Plus in practice if you wanted to he insane you could rig up a multi cart game. Have enough of the underlying code on each cart, use a save file just like you would multi disc, then go to cart two for the second half of a game

That I’d love to see

[hollow rune]

I think you blew up my mind

[cerulean elk]

Good question. I’m not sure the first instance of bank switching. Got used a ton on arcade games in the late 80s, early 90s. Lots of ST chips with data on four banks and you’d just do a combo of high/low to get to the address spacing you needed data from

[mild ether]

So many Neo Geo games made out of spec.

[cerulean elk]

See it a lot on Konami boards. They’d use 2 or 4 bank ST chips with data across all the banks

I was just writing some bios chips on a 27c something or other size and I had to break the file into four chunks and write it in quarters to all four banks

Other manufacturers would use more chips in smaller sizes with single banks but Konami’s engineers loved to use ST EPROM chips with multiple banks. Maybe more cost effective?

[tight rapids]

does this core support zipped roms

[safe robin]

yes

[zinc dew]

That’s cool

N64 is cool

MiSTer is cool

[hollow rune]

Robby is cool

[toxic pumice]

you're cool

goddamnit

[hollow rune]

Jynx, you owe me a pizza

[zinc dew]

by nature of being a discord mod I am uncool

lol

[lament escarp]

You're trying your best, which is cool.

[little socket]

Nah, there are some cool mods around

[dreamy grove]

I've not studied virtual memory as much as I probably should've, but I can't help but think the N64 could've managed without it

The optional expansion pak might make that hard though

[lament escarp]

They implemented it to make recreating the hardware in fpga harder

[compact skiff]

I'm familiar with virtual memory on PC, which uses your hard drive for extra memory, but I can't figure out how virtual memory applies to N64, which doesn't have additional storage.

[ripe cargo]

I got it working. The 0.7 one anyway. Need to use MarioDefacer after patching Rom. 0.9 plays music after Nintendo logo but has a black screen

[wanton sun]

imagine 3 cities, each has a main street with house number 5. That is what TLB allows

without, the main street would be forbidden for city 2 and 3

[plush summit]

Yeah, I heard that version was possible, I'll get around checking it out, thanks bud

[woeful grove]

TLB = America Chavez

[weary palm]

Borgir!

[ripe cargo]

It freezes after you get close to the castle

[compact skiff]

I guess the thing I'm having trouble understanding is, if the system only has 4MB/8MB, how can the system add virtual memory if there's no place to keep it, like a hard drive? Does it access it from the cartridge somehow?

[woeful grove]

it's virtual adressing

[dreamy grove]

Does the N64 support multiple processes (multitasking?) I thought the game ran straight on the hardware

No OS I guess is what I'm saying

[wanton sun]

it doesn't need space, it just renames the existing space to allow the same addresses to be used for different processes

[thorn flax]

[lament escarp]

Pretty sure there were several cities with main streets before n64 was released 🤡

[woeful grove]

?steal ThisIsCool https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/726205383299039283.webp?size=240&quality=lossless

[slender hawk]

added with the name "ThisIsCool"

[daring meteor]

The government had TLBs

[woeful grove]

i'd steal "based" too but we're all too old here to know what it means

[compact skiff]

I guess I don't understand programing enough to know what it's doing.

[woeful grove]

"Based on what?"

[daring meteor]

Whenever the program says "I want to go to the 16th megabyte" the TLB translates that and goes to the 2.868th megabyte

[fair stump]

If you've played a gba then you're too old

[thorn flax]

dear Nintendo fans, am new to this whole 64 thing.
am I mario 64ing correctly?

[lament escarp]

No youth is worth it having missed gen1 pokemon at the time.

[rich warren]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[thorn flax]

with dpad mario always fast

no slow moves for me

[drowsy lantern]

You'll be limited in your movement precision but it's still very possible to beat the game! Heck I remember playing Mario 64 using only a keyboard back when UltraHLE came out, even managing to spin and throw Bowser. It was "interesting".

[marble cargo]

Secret speedrun mode.

[thorn flax]

you say limited in movement, I say mario 64 ds mode

[zinc dew]

THIS IS SO AWESOME!!! - #games-and-patches message

[wanton sun]

but does it run on AO486?

[toxic pumice]

Oh wow, checking that out

[thorn flax]

I wonder if the game holds up from a level design and gameplay standpoint when it's freed from single digit fps

[weary palm]

Probably not, but who cares.

The difficulty will take a huge hit.

[thorn flax]

hey, sometimes under the jank lies an even better game than could be appreciated at the time

[vapid hawk]

its really good, though yeah somewhat easier

you could play this on 360 like 8 years ago 😛

the higher framerate especially seems to make automatic weapons much more effective

[zinc dew]

Yeah the 360 port is amazing but mouse and keyboard makes this so much easier lol

[weary palm]

Perhaps I can finally beat the last level, "War!"

[compact lark]

Playing the core on composite, it's so satisfying to me. I love the look of the N64, different from the PS1 for sure.
It seems like some of the blur in the N64 come from dedither

[cerulean elk]

Someone just asked me when N64 was added to update all. I don’t think I missed anything? Are we on update all now? (W/O the INI addition)

[elfin depot]

Wasn't on Friday (I had to add the INI stuff to get my second mister to pull the core and .txt stuff)

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I think they were mistaken but admittedly I’ve been V busy the last like 72 hours so I haven’t been reading as much on here as I normally do

[topaz otter]

Wouldn't this have changed the type of games you see on the n64

I mean a platformer like banjo works because walking between areas is so quick as to be nearly seamless

So rare abuses it for endless backtracking

If you had to load from cd every room change, banjo would have to be a very different game.

[elfin depot]

Edit from my earlier deleted post: Playstation could get around this in a way, rather, creative dev's could, good watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izxXGuVL21o

The whole thing is a great watch but the meat of it starts at 26:15

[solemn marlin]

I think loading times are weirdly ceremonious and it certainly helped with making ff7 feeling like an even bigger epic tale

Don't think I have a weirder hot take than that on the topic of ps1 and n64 hardware tbh

[thorn flax]

forget Shotgun mario 64

nothing will beat the absurdity of this

[solemn marlin]

Looks like you've taken mario hostage and is ordering him around with your gun

[orchid nimbus]

But you can’t blast away enemies

[weary palm]

That would require blast processing

[weary palm]

Glockitu

Sorry/not sorry

[zinc dew]

I got Conker on MiSTer!!

[undone oak]

guys does anyone know where i can find the 60fps patch for diddy kong racing?

[zinc dew]

omg Conker’s Bad Fur Day on MiSTer is so cool!!

[lament escarp]

I also have it on my mister. Very cool.

[zinc dew]

Except I’m serious

[toxic pumice]

Get out

[zinc dew]

wow!!

[lament escarp]

I can even put ps2 games on my mister. Not that I could play them or anything, but I can copy them over.

[languid dune]

Why is Conker wearing a condom?

[mortal panther]

Looks like you've done an adequate job covering all your holes to prevent unwanted accidental entry.

[lament escarp]

Because he is responsible.

[chilly ember]

Fake!!

[zinc dew]

It’s a pricey game

[fair stump]

If it's real take it out of the case and write your name on it in sharpie

[chilly ember]

I still have mine from I was like 7, no way I'd buy it now at these prices

[daring meteor]

Except TLB, what are you most waiting on in the core?

[chilly ember]

BLT

[weary beacon]

pokemon crystal

[lament escarp]

It's not in the core, but core adjacent, a fix for the 8bitdo modkit driver so I don't have to pair it each time I connect it.

[quick arch]

@wanton sun is the information provided for the floating point exception help you ?

[lament escarp]

But only @hearty oar has the knowhow AND the elbow grease to do that...

[elfin depot]

even better use one of these

[zinc dew]

nooooooo!

I love Conker

[languid dune]

Still have my copy as well! And I'm keeping it naked!

[elfin depot]

no stratagy guide?

[zinc dew]

nah I don’t buy those

[elfin depot]

Right, you are the guy working the Nintendo power hotline back in the day I bet!

[chilly ember]

Hello Nintendo how do I move the rocks in the rock solid level?

[thorn flax]

#controllers message

for folks interested in a racing wheel for MiSTer

[compact lark]

Used to be the VI effects since outside of the angrylion and its forks and variations, it's not implemented in software emulators but well, we already have it.
Basically TLB for me, I wanna play Castlevania.

[thorn flax]

including a couple of n64 game recommendation I haven't seen mentioned here

[tender pine]

People posting pictures of 'rare' N64 cartridges as a flex. You are aware of a thing called Flashcarts/Everdrive/Krikzz?

Sanity, NOT vanity.

[quaint rune]

You even bought the bad version, impressive 😏

[zinc dew]

At E3 when they revealed the Rare collection I asked the dev team on why they’d emulate the N64 version instead of the Xbox and they told me because of nostalgia and they think it’s the better game.

I was surprised, I would’ve assumed the Xbox because of BC,

[weary beacon]

You still need a legal license to play those games technically. I like being legit.

[chilly ember]

Xbox version is more censored and hit that mine guys with the bat was un needed filler

[zinc dew]

I’ll be frank, I think it doesn’t matter how you get these games just as long as you play and enjoy them.

Sorry if it came across as a flex, it wasn’t intended to be.

[tender pine]

Technically, yes. But, let's be honest about what's happening on the ground level.

[zinc dew]

I am a collector and was fortunate enough to have these games when growing up and I hate how artificially ballooned the retro market is. To me retro games should be enjoyed by all.

[chilly ember]

I only buy retro games these days if people are willing to let them go for half their worth

Or less lol

[zinc dew]

Only reason why I don’t have an Everdrive is because I ended up buying most of what I wanted. I think Everdrive are amazing. I am envious of people who have one.

[tender pine]

IF somebody wants to value Conkers for example at £300 or the like, superb. I'm just surprised that market remains in the advent of Krikzz and the like.

[weary beacon]

there was a game I seen the other day they let you down the rom for a small fee.

[chilly ember]

I hate that there is a bunch of fake carts floating around there now. Had a friend who bought mario kart a while ago who didn't know better and I could instantly tell it was fake from the label and weight

[zinc dew]

The market isn’t dictated by accessibility. It boils down to notoriety, rarity, and desire.

Rereleases for example typically cause games to spike up in value as a result. Another example is Mario games always hold value even though you can play them 50 ways from Sunday.

[tender pine]

It's like buy and support Krikzz to the sum of £200 for the latest N64 Everdrive OR take your chances on one N64 game off an eBay seller for the same amount??

[zinc dew]

Preferably you buy an official means to get access to them and buy from Krikkz.

[plush summit]

you could be like me and spend absolutely nothing on retro gaming for decades and just have a MiSTer

[zinc dew]

Buying from a reseller doesn’t put money in the publisher or dev team’s pockets. Buying from them or downloading a rom is the same.

all imo of course

I’m not a lawyer or have deep knowledge of intellectual property law.

[latent galleon]

this is a discord full of absolute nerds with entire rooms dedicated to their love of retro gaming, with collections that took years to amass...and they all play roms. neither thing is a replacement for the other, unless you are a weirdo who insists on having a place to plug in physical carts.

[chilly ember]

You guys aren't using your carts on mister?

[zinc dew]

game boy carts!

[weary beacon]

i use the OSCR to rip my carts

[lament escarp]

Thank you for being a mod and still sane about the downloading stuff. I'm really used to people flipping their shit and calling everybody a pirate who questions copyright on 20+ year old software. ❤️

[zinc dew]

People pirate my own games I made on the DS and I don’t give a shit lol

Please do!

I hope you enjoy them.

[tender pine]

I'm maybe getting away from the point. Just to say in the advent of the excellent Everdrives via Krikzz and MiSTer/SD cards, posting a pic of what's rarely a rare game is not a flex any longer.

[zinc dew]

Yes I’m sorry, it wasn’t intended to be a flex.

[plush summit]

Its fair game if you own a mini console or bought a retro collection for a modern system, if the roms are identical, doesnt matter how you got it

[lament escarp]

There is a huge difference between discussing what is legal and what should be legal imo.

[zinc dew]

I’ll be more cognoscente of that moving forward.

[latent galleon]

please don't be

[zinc dew]

I find it bewildering for people to get upset over things they don’t personally profit or benefit from. And for retro games, man who cares. It’s awesome people are playing retro games to begin with.

I say that as someone who is personally impacted by modern game piracy.

But like whatever man. If you can’t afford it you can’t afford it. Please try to buy it next when if you can.

And if you can’t please be healthy and happy.

[tender pine]

Maybe it's just me, maybe it's a more modern thing but it just seems you can't discuss a game without somebody posting a picture of their copy. I want to scream 'this isn't a rare game and can be accessed VERY easily nowadays'.

[weary palm]

Can someone help me understand the code I wrote in n64.cpp ?

[latent galleon]

share stuff that makes you happy @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

I try to but the community comes first.

No matter what

[weary palm]

What do I mean by 'A' ? 🫠

[weary beacon]

maybe try being less triggered. Life is better when you care less.

[zinc dew]

People are passionate and sometimes that comes out in ways we don’t expect and that’s ok. Look at my stupid bullshit I post daily

[daring meteor]

Lmao, lemme see

[zinc dew]

Just need to understand each other and support each other.

[latent galleon]

should we vote then? people show off old crap all the time around here and this is the first person i've ever seen call it a flex. except that picture of you and the nintendo playstation which you should really keep to your goddamned self

[daring meteor]

Lmao

Why is A not 1?

[weary beacon]

I always tell them they should learn to control their emotions, or else I will. If I don't like where the conversation is going I go some where else...

[daring meteor]

Ah wait

[weary palm]

I don't understand this index thingie.

[zinc dew]

Well in either case I appreciate you brother. Let’s not worry about it. 🍻

[lament escarp]

The industry is getting a lot of bad habbits, like ultra focus on graphics, games as a service and loot boxes. While access to less exploitable retrogames is gated behind subscription services like ps plus premium and nso, for games I bought 3 or 4 times by now.

[daring meteor]

File index, as in, which number of file you send

[dreamy grove]

I used to think Robby was suspiciously nice for a mod, but now I appreciate that he isn't trying to "control" other people's emotions for them

[zinc dew]

Because at the end of the day we’re all friends here and friends listen and care for another.

[daring meteor]

It uses A because letter indicies that for some reason mister always uses

[lament escarp]

Robby is the second best robert on this discord, which is still hella good!

[zinc dew]

I’ve got nothing to gain and nothing to lose. I’m a mod? So what. I’m not a mod? So what. My goal is foster a positive and welcoming environment. That has no requirement or special title to do.

[latent galleon]

@lament escarp agreed, but has there been a time since pong that gaming hasn't focused on graphics?

[weary palm]

Anyway, I can't fix that right now. (If it's wrong?) Because I don't have access to a computer right now and probably won't have this week. So if someone would like to be an absolute unit and correct my shoddy code, that would be 'A'. Kthxbye

[daring meteor]

Its broken?

[gritty current]

Let's say you have an actual block of physical memory that has sections that are labeled 1 through 10,000. And let's you've written a game where there are multiple houses your character can enter, and each house has a bunch of info that it needs to be accessed when a character enters. Without TLB you might need to look up the info for house #1 in segments 5 through 36, and then the info for house #2 in segments 137 through 168, etc. With TLB you could look up the house data for any house by looking at segments 5-36, and the TLB will automatically translate where the data is actually fetched based on the house (eg. for house #2 it will look at 137-168 without you having to know that start/end address). In other words, it's just a convenience feature to make the coding simpler and more logical. Is that an a good way to describe it @wanton sun ? I'm trying to understand myself as well...

[weary palm]

Unsure? 🙂

[daring meteor]

If its not broken there's no need

If its broken I would try changing it with a 1 maybe

[plush summit]

While UPS workers are making $170K+ and GM Workers planning on making $89/Hour

[lament escarp]

To a degree, but ever since the rise of the hd consoles the dev times have ballooned to absurdity because of graphics, and therefore the need to reach a "mainstream" to justify the budget and time investment.

[dreamy grove]

I think the question was less what TLB is used for and more about why it's needed in the first place

[gritty current]

That's what I attempted to answer. See added edit at end: "In other words, it's just a convenience feature to make the coding simpler and more logical." But I'm just trying to understand myself as well...

[latent galleon]

well, i just meant we are in a channel dedicated to a console with "64-bit graphics", it was the whole schtick

[latent galleon]

and we also live in a new golden age of indie games, like it's the 80s all over again

two people and a dream

[plush summit]

don't forget about labor violations and bounced checks!

[lament escarp]

All my halloween games this year are indies, even though calisto protocol is free on ps plus. 😄

[zinc dew]

I am jealous. I think I’m a fair bit too ingrained in AAA development and I can’t take risks anymore cause of having a family to support. I wish I could just toil away on a passion project. It’s become insanely easy to make a game now.

[dreamy grove]

Modern virtual memory is transparent to the programmer (may it was different for n64?) You should only need segmentation/paging if you have multiple processes running on the same hardware

[lament escarp]

It's the dream of every employer.

[daring meteor]

Here's it with 1 instead of A

[zinc dew]

@daring meteor sorry for being nosy and not following along, what that do?

[lament escarp]

You could finance it with superman 64 charity livestreams.

[dreamy grove]

I though this would be unecessary but I see references to kernel and user mode in n64 docs so idrk wtf is going on

[daring meteor]

yxkalle said they think their code for detecting Gameboy doesn't work

This is a potential fix

If it works you can ignore this

[zinc dew]

oh awesome!

[weary palm]

It's not needed, but it gives you street cred in N64 programming circuits.

[zinc dew]

Nah it didn’t work for me

[daring meteor]

Good

[zinc dew]

I can try this new MiSTer if you’d like!

[daring meteor]

Try it

Its identical otherwise to newest unstable

[compact skiff]

So it's more for convenience for the programmer and nothing to do with having more available memory like virtual memory on a PC...

[gritty current]

That's my understanding

[weary palm]

And street cred

[zinc dew]

@daring meteor Initial testing; no longer had that error pop up when loading a GB game but Pokemon Stadium 2 didn’t boot afterwards.

[lament escarp]

Thats a fair trade.

[daring meteor]

Wait, afterwards?

What happens if you boot N64 beforehand?

[zinc dew]

Just tried, Pokémon Stadium 2 didn’t boot

Perfect Dark is also not booting

I’ll do a power cycle, I did a soft reset earlier

[daring meteor]

I think the index is not 1 than

Hmmmm

[zinc dew]

Maybe that’s the problem

[lament escarp]

Robert's orders were load gb game, switch to transfer pack, load n64 game.

[zinc dew]

Yeah that was my initial test

[daring meteor]

Ah there's a printf

[zinc dew]

Power cycled, using latest core, Mario Kart 64 is booting, ok awesome. Continuing tests.

[daring meteor]

So the index is right

Code isn't right

[zinc dew]

Pokémon Stadium 2 still not booting, just black screen

Pilotwings 64 booted fine. Mickey’s Speedway USA does not.

[daring meteor]

So index is not right

I'll connect to serial to actually check what the index is lol

[zinc dew]

Ok cool

Seems like any game with transfer compatibility isn’t booting

[weary palm]

Sorry 😦

[zinc dew]

Games that don’t have it boot fine

[zinc dew]

What no don’t apologize. Thank you for looking into it and fixing it!

[little socket]

let that conker cart breath

[zinc dew]

Y’all are awesome! 🍻

[weary palm]

Yeah putty will help you

[wanton sun]

hey wark, sorry i completly forgot to write you. Unfortunaly the game crashes in my emulator even earlier so i cannot debug it right now. Have to invest more time 😦

[weary palm]

https://romhacking.com/hack/hallowoomy-on-spoopy-island

[daring meteor]

I found it

[wanton sun]

what are you trying to do? maybe i can assist?

[daring meteor]

yxkalle edited mister main to not do the N64 specific optimizations on game boy files

For some reason the core uses index 41 for N64 games and index 2 for GB games?

[wanton sun]

really 41 or 0x41?

i would assume it's index 1 and the 0x40 is for the "S" indicating it should map the save file?

[zinc dew]

want me to try this?

[daring meteor]

0x41 yes

[wanton sun]

yes, then that is the reason

[daring meteor]

Alright

[daring meteor]

Yes

[wanton sun]

   "F2,GBCGB ,Load GB-Transfer;",

FS1 vs F2

[daring meteor]

Funnily enough, since the core now has routines that manage itself, I think the S is no more necessary

[weary palm]

Glad someone could figure it out.

[daring meteor]

Now onto the next task, figuring out how to mount 5 files simultaneously, with preparation for a sixth

[wanton sun]

what?

[daring meteor]

For cpaks and transfer paks

[weary palm]

We're being confused together, how cozy xD

[daring meteor]

For handling the tpak save files better

[wanton sun]

sounds good. i think you already have all information about the structure?

[velvet nexus]

Seems like the n64 core is a bit of a rabbit hole, huh

[chilly ember]

Follow the white rabbit

[daring meteor]

Yes, but there is one thing

[zinc dew]

@daring meteor ok Mickey’s Speedway USA worked! No error when loading the GBC file and the game loaded fine with transfer pak enabled. Got Huey unlocked!

Thank you!

[daring meteor]

Nishi Zuri uses both tpak and cpak seemingly

[daring meteor]

I will pr

[velvet nexus]

The n64 always felt like the one system software emulation couldn't quite get right

At least not without a very powerful pc

[wanton sun]

so you need to switch between them while playing?

[velvet nexus]

Console wise this is the last core I THINK I need... maybe saturn...

[wanton sun]

i could reserve another 128kbyte block in sdram and in the file

in theory tpak would need even 512kbyte for games that have 128kbyte of gamesave + 4 tpaks, but it seems insane and useless

[daring meteor]

Yes

[wanton sun]

at this point, it would be good to only save as much data as the game really has

[daring meteor]

At least I think so?

Game uses both sram and cpak

This is, AFAIK, the only game which uses both tpak and cpak

Well

[wanton sun]

well, you can still use both in different slots

[daring meteor]

And is not trivial

Some games use tpak but don't need the save part like perfect dark and choro Q

Ah no nevermind there's more, but they too have cart saves

[wanton sun]

as long as the games support the cpak in slot2-4, it's no issue. But if it forces you to use slot1 for both and swap between them, it's bad

for main it's probably always bad, as it doesn't know what content is inside

[daring meteor]

Well, the question is if we can assume its always transfer

It seems nushi tsuri only unlocks an item, weirdly enough

[chrome quest]

If you need Stadium tests, I've got GB saves for every English language game ready to go. Just point me at the MiSTer to try

[daring meteor]

(Wait, no, some have it reversed)

[wanton sun]

is there any game where you would want more then 1 transfer pak?

[daring meteor]

Let's see:

[chrome quest]

Stadium. 2 enable in game trades, evolutions and such tied to that.
More than 2 allow for even more player battle configurations, guess you could want 4 people each with their own game

[daring meteor]

Super B-Daman: Battle Phoenix 64 - Uses both
PD Ultraman Battle Collection 64 - Does not use tpak save
Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2000 - Uses both
Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 6 - Almost certainly uses both
Super Robot Taisen 64 - Needs tpak save, cpak unknown

Lemme check each of them

[wanton sun]

so to cover everything: gamesave(sram/flash) + 4xcpak + 4xtpak in one file. Each is only there when the setting in the systems submenu is on

[daring meteor]

Might not be needed

Nevermind, the baseball games use both

And so does B-Daman

[wanton sun]

so before doing any handling in main, we first need a proposal of what the core should send

[daring meteor]

Yes, probably save+4x+4x than unless someone has a better idea

[wanton sun]

for save + cpak the size is known. for tpak...fixed size or depending on the GB header?

[daring meteor]

I wouldn't be surprised if in the end mister main will manage depending on the header haha

[wanton sun]

if not, it's always +512kbyte for tpak

the size itself isn't the biggest issue, but if you save it as gb save, all would be 128kbyte, even if it was only 4 kbyte initially

[quick arch]

ok ! no problem !

[daring meteor]

Why 512 and not 128?

[wanton sun]

4x128

the max savegame size on a GB game

we could check if any of those tpak games even uses it

byte 0x149 in the rom tells the save size. if it's 0x04 then it uses 128kbyte, 0x05 uses 64kbyte

pokemon uses 32kbyte, so that is the minimum required

[daring meteor]

Lemme find if any do

Technically doesn't the RTC also count?

[wanton sun]

RTC would need 1 extra block....

but honestly, no, i will not do 4 RTCs for 4 gb games

[daring meteor]

Haha

[wanton sun]

then the next wants it to be compatible with the RTC of the gb core

[hollow rune]

@wanton sun when he posts a new build.

Yes I am you brilliant core developer

[dusty tusk]

Couldn't the core share rtc code between gameboy and whatever would be needed for animal crossing

[wanton sun]

no, different rtc

[dusty tusk]

well shoot

[wanton sun]

sorry no new build so soon 😦

[orchid nimbus]

OMG!!

[hollow rune]

That's ok you beautiful Eule. You take your time.

What my parents will never say to me.

[hardy hornet]

what a time to be alive

[fierce garden]

ah the moment I can play JFG - hoping these geniuses can make it reality. 🙏

[orchid nimbus]

you're sort of weird aren't you? 😄

[hollow rune]

I think pretty typical for a small panda living in an apartment in Germany playing old video games, eating pizza, and talking to you guys

[orchid nimbus]

...... yup....In Das Blaue Hinein

[wanton sun]

it's true dedication. Until now i could not find out if you let your parents type in on the keyboard, because your paws are to big or if you really do it yourself. But that's fine 🙂

[daring meteor]

I mean

They are small

[cerulean elk]

Lol we are all adults who spend the majority of our time on this server talking to each other. Not a damn one of us qualifies as normal

ESP @zinc dew that boy ain’t right I tell you what

[weary palm]

Did you 1CC it?

[little socket]

he suffocates cartridges, unless that behaviour is solved he can never be rated normal.

[hardy hornet]

anyone using this?

[weary palm]

I wish I had one, but they're hard to come by in Sweden

[hardy hornet]

yeah they are like $70 on ebay, wish i could buy without nintendo online membership

[brisk edge]

The NSO controller works well with the core, that's what I'm using

[lament escarp]

Every time you mention pizza I want one. You should get paid by the pizza lobby.

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune is cute and cuddly - you are not cuddly!

[cerulean elk]

Never claimed to be

I’m more like broken glass and sandpaper glued to a jagged rock

[lament escarp]

Lil edge lords, all of y'all.

[hollow rune]

Pizza subsidies!

[oblique crow]

I've been told I'm deceptively cuddly

Any fun developments today

[wanton sun]

clock domain crossings are never fun, unless you like randomness where no randomness should ever be

[daring meteor]

Does that imply something 👀

[hollow rune]

Quantum 64

[wanton sun]

it's one of these things that are only there for your pain. Did you ever read a wikipedia article that only reports about problems? if not, read about CDCs

[toxic pumice]

not gonna lie, I was super close to just ordering pizza for dinner after earlier

[lament escarp]

I have a frozen one in the fridge. It's hard to resist.

[solemn maple]

I recently ordered one from the German nintendo store. Shipping is free.

[lament escarp]

I just thought at first you're talking about pizza and was very confused.

[toxic pumice]

lol

[weary palm]

You would you think that?

Are you hungry?

[toxic pumice]

blame panda

[weary palm]

Panda is a bad topping

[lament escarp]

Yeah panda is working for the pizza lobby and did some inception stuff (probably)

[toxic pumice]

I've got this week off work, just took days off for a mental health break, and i've done absolutely nothing but look after the kids and smash n64 games in. it's quite nice

introduced my son to the wonders of THPS2

[lament escarp]

Mental health is very important! Nothing better than spending time with the kids and games.

[cerulean elk]

I mean what else do you do with a week off but play retro games?

[hollow rune]

Probably the most illegal topping, regardless if it is tasty

[hollow rune]

I am working on bipartisan support for monthly pizza vouchers, no means testing. They count double towards independent pizzarias and those serving in food deserts.

[lament escarp]

Mhmmm food desserts 🤤

[fair stump]

I have not had a dessert pizza in forever

[lament escarp]

Pizza is the best dessert. For more pizza.

[fair stump]

There used to be a super cheap all you can eat pizza place nearby that had some and I liked them for what they were

[hollow rune]

This looks like a goal for me

[lament escarp]

It's not realistic, the pizza is still complete.

But that's a bitching leather jacket, ngl.

[weary palm]

https://patch.wedarobi.com/bk_bbb_redone

[lament escarp]

This gotta be ai art

[chilly ember]

Of course lol

[fair stump]

That pizza controller

[lament escarp]

It's eating the cable and lost a c button.

This is great

[weary palm]

It's a Pizza Pandamic

[dense wagon]

nothing like a good bit of AI art lol

Im only shocked that the panda doesn't have huge norks

[lament escarp]

What are norks? English isn't my first language sorry.

[orchid nimbus]

CGA_Panda 😄

[weary beacon]

tits

[orchid nimbus]

memes?

[lament escarp]

Those I know! 🥰

[latent galleon]

pandas have like 5 fingers AND an opposable "thumb" and their paws aren't that big...i bet they'd be great typists

[hollow rune]

Not in the US

[weary beacon]

it is in the AU 🙂

[lament escarp]

Austria?

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune Picture a cute panda sitting in front of an old TV, with an N64 controller in its paw. The TV is displaying a classic Nintendo 64 game, and the panda is fully engrossed in the gameplay. On the coffee table in front of the panda, there's a delicious, cheesy pizza with a slice missing, as the panda is enjoying its meal while gaming. The room is cozy, with dim lighting, and you can see the soft glow of the TV screen reflecting on the panda's black and white fur.

[dense wagon]

ill put that prompt through stable diffusion

[daring meteor]

Honestly looks pretty good

[latent galleon]

wake me up when AI gets all six fingers right

[weary beacon]

Phew, I thought this was going the way of BG3

[languid dune]

My arthritic ass hands probably look closer to the panda hand.

[lament escarp]

Keep that climate change up and there might be soon!

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune you better make it your new avatar 😄

[dense wagon]

i was going to say, im not sure the model im using will know what a panda is

but nope... it does apparently

[daring meteor]

You're using a special model?

[orchid nimbus]

CUTE

where is the n64 controller? 😄

[dense wagon]

yeah i was using a model that has a bias toward producing oil painting style stuff

yeah it doesn't know about no N64 controller apparently haha

[orchid nimbus]

maybe replace with game controller

[chilly ember]

Bing image creator knows whats a n64 controller is

[orchid nimbus]

also: take one slice away and keep the whole pizza - perpetual pizza!!

[dense wagon]

i mean... closer lol

same prompt different seed

no idea what is going on there haha

[lament escarp]

@hollow rune you're a ai art model now.

[orchid nimbus]

🐼🎮🍕

[dense wagon]

that bottom one! 😄 so good

[lament escarp]

That pizza in the cartridge slot. 😄

[dense wagon]

my old 1080Ti is like... WTF are you having me do

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[lament escarp]

That butthole 😄

[weary beacon]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nork#:~:text=Noun,the plural)%20A%20woman's%20breast.

[latent galleon]

i don't really see any need for the words "tits" or "norks" to be mentioned in this channel

counting panda toes is enough

[weary beacon]

well it was mentioned so I had to put an end to the dabate with information.

[lament escarp]

It's an Australian thing, I don't think they mean anything by it.

[weary beacon]

it's like calling a dude a the P word to them. Back when everyone could afford their big girl panties 🙂

[fair stump]

Perfect Dark

[weary beacon]

I don't think it's a compliment.

Chairs are so darn expensive.

[weary palm]

Weird

[weary palm]

It almost looks like a MiSTer

Steve Fox

[weary beacon]

lol that is great

[quaint pewter]

dall-e 3 isnt bad.

[oblique crow]

YALL GETTING N64 CONTROLLERS, I'M GETTIN NITENDO PIZZITCHES

[weary palm]

That's quite comprehending. (Am I using the right word?)

[chilly ember]

Pizza 64

[weary palm]

Living the dream

The Black & Decker special

[toxic pumice]

lol i'll fire up stable diffusion and see what I get out of my checkpoints

[oblique crow]

I thought a few of my SDXL checkpoints might do well

but .. yikes

what is this black pepperoni

[orchid nimbus]

why does the pizza box have a card slot?

[oblique crow]

ok I actually kinda love this one - but that controller is connected to everything but a console

[quaint pewter]

why are the controllers always the wrong way around?

[oblique crow]

trying playing N64 instead of holding N64

[chilly ember]

Pizza DD 64

[toxic pumice]

Yeah none of my 1.5 checkpoints are doing anything decent. I'll give SDXL a shot at some point. 🙂

[oblique crow]

... this ones cute - I like how it's plugged into the Pizza.

[languid dune]

I think we're good on the panda pics now. 😅

[oblique crow]

yeah yeah - sorry, hahaha it got out of hand

[languid dune]

No worries!

[cold pollen]

I'm actually loving DALL E 3

Also I can't believe you guys are AI'ing without me

[zinc dew]

omg I had left on stick 1 bound to also register left on stick 2 in the N64 core

No wonder my Pro 2 felt wonky LOL

[daring meteor]

Stick 2 is only used with 1p2c

Or stick swap

[weary palm]

Because where we're going, Marty, we don't need roads.

[zinc dew]

I had c buttons bound to it which was causing issues

[native mesa]

I'm gone for 2 minutes and suddenly pandas everywhere

[daring meteor]

Ah

[eternal ravine]

Are these from Bing?

[solemn marlin]

Dumb panda, that's not how you hold a controller

[hollow rune]

I have that effect on people

[hollow rune]

Divergent is the word here

[solemn marlin]

Silly*

Ai is getting too good tho because that's a legit design issue, showing the iconic front of the controller while still making it look natural, not so easy when a panda is holding it..

[solemn marlin]

This one wins for clarity also I'm interested in what the game is, did you tell it to do some off-brand zelda/mario?

[quaint pewter]

I just copy and pasted Vampier's prompt. It looks abit like Animal Crossing/Forrest to me 🙂

[analog flicker]

I’m a little late@to the n64 party , but can someone send a video link on current state or just share what’s been going on in cliff note form ?

[rose elbow]

You're in a living room, playing Nintendo 64, when all of a sudden you look down. You look down and see a small panda. You reach down and you flip the panda over on its back. The panda lays on its back, its belly baking in the glow of the CRT, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. You’re not helping. Why is that, Vampier?

[zinc dew]

Here you go, friend - #share-media message

[quaint pewter]

At least thanks to Robert and other core developers all these memories are N OT going to disappear like tears in the rain. 🙂

[rose elbow]

aha, i'm hoping Vampier understands the reference otherwise it'll be a pretty weird message to read LOL

[drowsy lantern]

Not sure if known (or normal), but there’s a single line of flickery garbage at the top of congratulation screens in Pilotwings 64:

[modern sleet]

what build? I dont see this

[drowsy lantern]

Yesterday’s

[modern sleet]

At any time in the game when you first start?

[weary beacon]

AI images are not eligible for copywrite still right?

[orchid nimbus]

Let me count the Philip dicks in the room

[hollow orbit]

What game that isn’t Goldeneye has twin stick controls on N64?

[deft tree]

portal 64

[void hemlock]

licorice pizza 😋

also glad to see another SD modelerer here :)

[zinc dew]

Perfect Dark if you bind the c buttons to right stick

[void hemlock]

Robotron perhaps?

[brisk edge]

Pod racer

Oh sorry thought you meant 2 controllers for 1 player

[void hemlock]

yes/no. you either have to start with an image that you own the copyright to, or modify the AI output enough in post to make it your own

or better option is to train an AI model (like a LoRA or Lycoris) on your own dataset

[hollow orbit]

But Perfect Dark is good

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s awesome

[hollow orbit]

If I’m going to contort this Spaceorb into an N64 game it needs to be as not worth it as possible yet functionally kinda make sense

[weary beacon]

I want to use it to make cover art for my game. Not get sued by the owner of the AI 😉

[void hemlock]

you won't get sued by the owner of the AI model. I'm telling you how it works in regards to recent laws that were passed at least in the US. you can create an AI image, but you have to alter it enough to make it your own, like 30% in photoshop after the fact

it's easier if you don't want to claim copyright on it, and just use it, since then you don't need to do anything in post

[surreal basalt]

Pardon the dumb question, does anyone know where i can find the files to get started with the WIP core?

[cobalt junco]

@surreal basalt check the pinned messages

[surreal basalt]

cool, thanks!

[orchid nimbus]

lol at bottom line

It doesn’t include pandas

[teal oyster]

tastes like freedom

my wife tried it and the face she made was impressive

pure disgust

[eternal ravine]

Soda seems like a relic now
But I can appreciate a good cola on ice still

[teal oyster]

well these are sugar free

so there's that

but yeah, I will not be buying this kind again

[eternal ravine]

Sugar-free soda boggles the mind

[orchid nimbus]

I am not sure what the heck I taste

@teal oyster what do you think?

[teal oyster]

me either, she thought it was vaguely bubblegum-esque

[orchid nimbus]

Grape/berries

Yeah

[teal oyster]

maybe... tuti fruity?

[orchid nimbus]

Redbull coke

[teal oyster]

I'm not sure I would call this cola

it really doesn't taste like cola to me

[orchid nimbus]

It has a slight hint of cola

[stiff condor]

It tastes like bananas to me 🍌

[teal oyster]

yeah, it's weird

I try all the weird things, this is a promise I made to myself

[eternal ravine]

Chimera-cola

[stiff condor]

I don't mind it, I admire the unique

[teal oyster]

yeah

it's not undrinkable

[stiff condor]

I've had worse

[eternal ravine]

Moxie

[weary beacon]

fresca was ok in that regaurd

[orchid nimbus]

Crystal Pepsi

[solemn marlin]

Every shooter kinda if you map them right?

Not doom tbh

[stiff condor]

Was fine, flavor was slightly different

[rose elbow]

How many Dick Smiths do you have? https://www.nightfallcrew.com/09/01/2015/dick-smith-wizzard-creativision/

[void hemlock]

drinking pop in some countries is still a pretty cool experience. when I was in Egypt, fanta and coke tasted alot different. was almost like they added a bit of baking soda to create the carbonation. it was alot sweeter too. I liked it anyways

also I miss Crystal Clear Pepsi. loved it as a kid

but if you want to enhance the pop drinking experience, always buy from glass bottles when given the chance. it preserves the bubbles in the best way. plastic is the worst

whenever I would order Paulaner Spezi or Libella Zitronen Limonade in Germany, I'd always buy it in glass bottles

[weary beacon]

Can't say I was lucky enough to get crystal pepsi in the glass bottle. I wonder what it was like.

[left depot]

Crystal Pepsi was fire. And Surge 🤣

[mortal panther]

Coca-Cola BlāK is some of the nastiest shit I've ever tasted.

[cold pollen]

We had both a few years ago

[quaint rune]

They called it that probably because that’s the sound you make when you spit it out. BLAK

[mortal panther]

https://www.mashed.com/229241/the-facts-behind-coca-cola-blaks-disappearance/

[orchid nimbus]

Never heard of it

[dusty tusk]

It's just cold brew and vanilla coke put together

Pretty addicting but murer on the kidneys

[stiff condor]

I'd never heard of it either because I would have bought some

[dusk glen]

Paging is not the only application for virtual memory, it is also used for memory protection in multitasking systems. I'm not sure how it helps on a video game console with no supervisor or operating system, though... debug assist during development phase that got left in the final build?

[trim seal]

I mean, what else are you going to do with your kidneys?

[abstract slate]

wow this is cool. We should have group taste testings.

[dusk glen]

I haven't seen one of those, not sure if it's available in Brazil. Recently I got a "mystery flavor" Fanta as a free bonus with a meal and it was absolutely disgusting. Tasted like a cheap tang knockoff on carbonated water.

[dusk glen]

Not sure about soda, but if I lived in Argentina or Belgium, I'd have to exercise a lot of self control to avoid drinking beer every day. Lots of very good and affordable beer.

[void pawn]

I played the NSO F-Zero X on switch just for the hell of it to compare and man it is so terrible compared to playing on mister.

[vapid moat]

Tell me more

[void hemlock]

for sure for sure. in germany it is so cheap too. pick up a crate of bottles for nothing and all from local breweries too. I was a huge Augustiner fan

[void pawn]

It’s not just the frame rate drops it’s the weird juxtaposition of how they have the emulator rendering high resolution crafts with high resolution decal texture mapping on top of original low res N64 textures on the tracks and stuff

It looks so weird.

[dusty tusk]

NSO F-Zero X not being the expansion kit version feels like a collosal missed opportunity

[void pawn]

And that game was designed around a locked 60fps for the sense of speed. There’s even a 30fps build they discarded.

They don’t even respect the design parameters of their own games.

It chugs regularly and doesn’t feel like the same game.

I do not know if overclocking a hacked Switch can fix the frame rate. One of my Switches is hacked but I don’t think I care enough to try.

Also I don’t like the heat it generates overclocked

[quasi storm]

You too, huh? I just dug out my switch for Wonder and decided to traipse around the NSO stuff. Man, F-Zero X is truly GOD AWFUL!

[vapid moat]

50 dollarydoos per year folks

Also the only legal way today, in spite of it being poorer than real hardware

[quasi storm]

Well... you could still hunt down the old stuff, too. But, you're right. Who wants to do that? My big thing is that the youngins will play these games this way, and think that this was how it was.

[deft tree]

lol good one

youngins are too busy playing roblox to boot up n64 NSO games

that shits on the store for us

[kind solar]

all the retro game compilations and such seem horrible to me now when i go back

[quasi storm]

You mean like on NSO?

Or, Like the Castlevania and Contra anniversary collections, or?

[storm vessel]

Likely the GC/PS2/Xbox gen compilations

[quasi storm]

I liked the anniversary collections. I just wish Konami would acknowledge the N64 games. Castlevania may have been a little off, but it is certainly playable, and Legacy of Darkness is fantastic, in my opinion.

It's just completely overshadowed by Symphony of the Night.

And yeah... Okay. Symphony is a masterpiece, and almost every game after followed that formula, but come ON.

Let the other games shine.

[quasi storm]

Oh, right...

[orchid nimbus]

I know you did 🙂

[quasi storm]

Huh?

Know I did what?

[orchid nimbus]

Saw that

[quasi storm]

I'm just waiting for @fierce garden to finish writing his novel.

[orchid nimbus]

Come play with us @zinc dew for ever and ever and ever

[fierce garden]

Honestly Nintendo’s nso offerings are completely shite compared to mister. I wonder if they are planning FPGA projects of their own. F-zero x is an absolute embarrassment to say the least.

[fierce garden]

Sorry I’m slow turbo

[quasi storm]

Yeah, you are...

And you're right. F-Zero X is a total mess. Much like the rest of the games.

But, then again, we're spoiled by MiSTer.

[fierce garden]

That we are 😁

[quasi storm]

Like I said earlier, I was just browsing, and the Libraries are just... Odd.

No Konami games on SNES?

I thought I saw Mario Party 1 and 3, but I might be mistaken.

[brisk edge]

I'm not sure how many commercially usable N64 emulators exist, I think that's the main problem. And Konami wouldn't spend the money to make that happen from scratch

[quasi storm]

Winback is on there. I swear, that game is like the GTA effect. Now that I've heard of it, it's everywhere. I didn't even know it existed before the MiSTer core.

[brisk edge]

Also 100% 3rd parties are skipping switch online because they can just release their own packs, on multiple SKUs

[quasi storm]

I have no clue how Winback plays, though. They must have gotten creative with the button layout.

[brisk edge]

It has an odd control scheme

Takes some time getting used to hiding behind cover effectively

[quasi storm]

It takes that even on my brawler64 pad.😆

[brisk edge]

Funny enough I didn't know there was an N64 version until way later, I had it on PS2

[quasi storm]

Is it less clunky on PS2? I mean, you can get used to it, but...

[abstract slate]

@orchid nimbus So do you have a recommendation? Should I buy a case of y3000 or two cases?

[brisk edge]

Not really lol, it also has awkward controls

They just really liked their control scheme I guess

[kind solar]

nso, castlevania, sonic origins, some of the 3d ff rereleases, that mario all stars comp

is what i was thinking of

there's a lot worse examples tho

[quasi storm]

What's the worst you can think of?

Dude, I got it.😆 Bear with me. I'm just being silly.

Could you imagine a Sega Genesis compilation, but the games run on Genecyst through dosbox?

[kind solar]

the worst i can think of is probably that awful sonic collection i bought for ds

unplayable!

[quasi storm]

I can't really think of any comps that were absolutely awful. However, I played Rayman 2 on 3DS.

That has to be hands down the worst version of the game.

[analog flicker]

Any timing on access ?

[quasi storm]

Why is Steven Seagal an N64 cartridge?

[languid dune]

Can confirm this is true. I noticed it right when they added the game to the NSO subscription. It drops frames constantly.

My NSO sub just expired last week, and I'm not bothering to renew it at the $50 tier. I'll renew it at $20, but not until I feel like playing something online again. Probably F-Zero 99, since I actually enjoyed that.

[ember linden]

I only have it because i got 7 other people on a family plan so im basically paying 10 bucks a year

[quasi storm]

Totally forgot about F-Zero 99. I'll have to check it out. It hasn't died yet, has it?

[viral swift]

The NSO Controller feels really sensible again

Try to select a player in mario kart or so

Light tapping results in multiple jumps if the selection rectangle

Not always but quite often

[quasi storm]

I mean... yeah. If you really think about it, the N64 is just a six button controller with an extra dangly bit. Also, I'm glad someone is finally bringing up the nunchuk

[lament escarp]

I think a ps1 digital pad with a wii nunchuk in the middle is the better comparison than a snes controller since it has the horns (this one is for you @zinc dew). But to be fair the digital pad is just a horny snes controller anyway.

[chrome quest]

Seen a similar Wii idea recently; #1096015979055697940 message
Personally planning on dual wielding Wii Nunchucks for some 2c1p Star Wars Racer.
An idea I can only improve upon if gyro support ever gets added

[lament escarp]

I've been thinking of getting an nso controller for 2c1p to compliment my 8bitdo modkit

[odd vector]

How should that work? Afaik the Nunchuck has no BT built in

[chrome quest]

Just pairing two Wii Remotes with Nunchucks attached.
There are USB adapters to get the latency really low, but Wii Remote BT isn't so bad

[odd vector]

That would make sense

[toxic pumice]

Hmm - Is it a known bug that Hexen doesn't save?

I have the database.txt file and everything else is saving fine, it just seems to be this game

[weary palm]

Stable Diffusion

[empty cliff]

I've been playing animal forest for like 2 weeks maybe and it works fine, you have to set the time every time you boot but it remembers your last time so it only takes like 5 seconds

[weary palm]

People don't drink soda in your part of the world?

[wanton sun]

what does the system setting say? does is save in OSD ("saving..."), is a file created on sdcard? does the LED on the mister turn on when you save ingame?

[zinc dew]

Is your N64 core running?

[weary palm]

Anyone selling mister laggy dongles in the eu?

[toxic pumice]

OSD will bring the Saving prompt up as usual, but absolutely nothing saves.

It doesn't even recognise it's saved if I immediately try to load again, so it seems like a game bug?

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/3odyd0/hexen_64_saving_problem_manual/

i've tried reformatting cpak but no dice - Tells me all the blocks are free, lets me enter a save name, OSD will save, but then game just picks it up as empty

NEVERMIND I am actually a complete idiot - ignore me please thank you

it turns out you do not enter a name and press start to save, start is actually 'back'. You have to actually scroll until 'end' appears then select that. jesus christ.

[wanton sun]

you know what the best bugs are? those that resolve themselves if you just do something else for 5 minutes 🙂

[trim seal]

My boss will often find me staring away from the computer or project and his first comment will be "You're sneaking up on a bug, aren't you?"

[zinc dew]

Do you have your MiSTer running?

[wanton sun]

No, it has no legs

sorry 😛

[zinc dew]

then you better go catch it!!!

[trim seal]

ZING!.....wait...

[rich warren]

Well as a matter of fact my MiSTer wasn't running. You've saved me quite a bit of boredom. Thank you, anonymous young man!

[zinc dew]

🥳

[cerulean elk]

Nice 😂

[lament escarp]

@cerulean elk thank you for covering fatal frame! Absolutely love the series.

Or, project zero, as we call it on the old continent.

[cerulean elk]

So glad someone likes it. Last Halloween themed video and wow is it eating straight up shit views wise 🤷🏻‍♂️ but I kinda saw that coming. Deep cut video because I wanted to do it 🙂

Voice over for N64 update video in a bit. The popular stuff lol. Run that tomorrow

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk did you see you were talked about on this n64 article? They love your vids.

https://boulderbugle.com/youtuber-n64-mister-fpga-s9q5rvpd

[orchid nimbus]

up to you

[mortal panther]

Good article.

[abstract slate]

two cases it is. Thanks!

[orchid nimbus]

ha it has @hollow rune's AI intrepretation of her 😄

[cerulean elk]

Let me guess. I click that…dude waving his Dong around? Or maybe Rick Astley

Also it’s the wrong thumb so I know shenanigans are afoot @zinc dew

[vagrant ivy]

No its just Hentai

I dont think I can face squid after watching that

[cerulean elk]

I clicked the link. It’s @zinc dew nudes. I didn’t know they made macro lenses that could resolve such fine detail on such small things

[lament escarp]

But it's very artistic and tasteful. Good job robby!

[cerulean elk]

@brisk drum I heard has to use a 12mm wide angle to get the whole thing in frame. Like a real man 🤣 (I just wanted to tag you taco so you could get in on the laughs)

[brisk drum]

Made it

[cerulean elk]

It’s pile on Robby time. I knew you wouldn’t want to miss it!

[brisk drum]

What have you done!

I actually gotta go to an event but I’ll be back .. mark my words

https://boulderbugle.com/splatter-house-jotego-release-bfdc3zlr

[zinc dew]

lol

[mortal panther]

It runs perfectly! Just like I remember!

[lament escarp]

It made me buy fatal frame 4 on switch, so at least it did something for the series. Only played the wii translation, which was actually really decent.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-5537635

[elder scroll]

Question: does any particular game for the N64 need a second RAM stick? Or does Mario Golf just not work right now?

[mild ether]

Doesn't work.

[lament escarp]

There isn't even a build for dual ram afaik

[elder scroll]

OK. Thanks.

[topaz otter]

Brian's quest

[thorn flax]

not a bad find for $6

[topaz otter]

can you replace that stick mike with just another microphone

[thorn flax]

no idea, it takes a standard microphone aux tho

[topaz otter]

interesting, I wonder if a powered microphone would work better than that thing

oh well you can use it to scream at pikachu

hey you pikachu you ignorant sob

[thorn flax]

most importantly I've confirmed it wasn't a shell swap Japanese version

one more nood

[topaz otter]

so the VRU thing has actual speech hardware on the board?

so that its not being done in software on the cartridge right

[iron trail]

Yeah that's my understanding

[cerulean elk]

Nicest reply I could muster @languid dune 🤣

[languid dune]

lol

I knew you'd be excited!

[cerulean elk]

If it’s anything like HotD remake I wouldn’t wipe my ass with it if I ran out of TP

[zinc dew]

What’s the remake?

[native mesa]

It's fun to try to figure it out from that image

Viewtiful Joe?

Lol

[cerulean elk]

Remake of a classic beat em up. Night Slashers

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s hardcoded for different pitches and speech patterns. So the Japanese one doesn’t work for western audiences and vice versa. It’s also tuned for children so you gotta do a high pitched voice in Hey Pikachu game to get it work right lol.

[cerulean elk]

And this dev / publisher is notorious for taking something you love and shitting all over it. The HotD remake id consider a waste of everyone’s time. Players and devs

1/10 game

[rare halo]

That looks terrible. How do you actively make it look worse than the original?

[zinc dew]

what an odd game to remake, points for timing though

[toxic pumice]

the Panzer Dragoon remake was legitimately quite good I thought?

[zinc dew]

Today is the day to announce a remake of that game lol

[lean spruce]

I just got my Retro-bit Tribute 64 and look at this beauty:

The stick sensivity is much better than the Dualsense! It feels perfect

[mossy vector]

I thought I read somewhere that it was the microphone that is borderline not functional. A decision that was most likely made after it was working well in the lab.

[zinc dew]

You might be right. I might be mistaken.

[languid dune]

At launch it was insanely bad. They've since patched it to the point where it's fine in my opinion.

[mossy vector]

Oof, but it looks like the VRU is region locked. Great job big N.

Could you imagine a region locked mouse?

[solemn marlin]

https://boulderbugle.com/goldeneye-decompilation-p2sslueg

Could you create a a TLB patch thing from this? 🤔

[weary palm]

I thought that one needed 5 sticks?

[daring meteor]

Yes
Unfourtenatly out of the 3 decomps without a patch, this is the hardest, and nobody made a patch even for the easiest one

[solemn marlin]

Is it because the decompilation is incomplete or it's just a difficult game?

[daring meteor]

Because its the one that uses the most TLB

[weary palm]

There's almost no incentive in doing so.

[oblique crow]

Is there a known bug with the NSO controller and R causing the joystick to stop responding?

[daring meteor]

I mean, playing Goldenye on the core a month early is an incentive

[oblique crow]

When holding it down in starfox it becomes unresponsive. Even seems to remember the input that was being pressed at the time. Letting go of R sees normal joystick functionality return. only happens on the nso controller.

[wanton sun]

can anyone tell me what the current idea of the database github is? There is a database file with many homebrew missing and an "old" file with it?

[daring meteor]

Using the header to make a more reliable database

[wanton sun]

so everything has to be added again?

[daring meteor]

It should be fine

[wanton sun]

sorry, i still don't understand. Is it planned to merge those files or what is the plan? E.g. portal is currently not in the database file, but it's in the old

the game works without entry, but the savetype is wrong, leading it to crash, so it can be difficult for users. I mean, it was not obvious for me at least 🙂

[bronze tree]

I believe that @weary palm intended for everything to work as before, but with less entries in the database. Portal was probably broken by accident and should be added again.

[lean spruce]

eh... do I need to do something to fix on my end or does update_all get the relevant database?

I tried the controller test rom and it was not recognized, but maybe its because its not needed as it doesnt save anything?

[daring meteor]

What's the savetype in portal?

Should add to the database ID:_ED_30 eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc I think

[devout shard]

What rom is this? I tried looking for it online

[wanton sun]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_old.txt#L2498

[simple olive]

52b452f7c07cb9f9734d98c203244ce1 ntsc|cic6102|sram32k # Portal (0.11) >

[daring meteor]

Very weird, I think it should work right with it than?

If savetype is sram32k

[wanton sun]

that's the old database file, not the new

the new has no entry for it

[daring meteor]

Yeah, I think new would map it to ID:_ED_3 _ sram32k|cpak|rpak

[wanton sun]

ok, THAT is why i don't find it in there

[daring meteor]

But weird that it dosen't if savetype is wrong

[lean spruce]

I used this:
https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

[worn delta]

I flagged this at the time when the shift was proposed, it seemed like it would be a worse solution for the average user if it no longer included entries for all the ROMs in the major packs i.e. no intro and HTGBD Everdrive pack.

Do we need to go and check all the files again and see which are now giving the no database error in launch?

[daring meteor]

We need to verify what line Portal gets caught by

[wanton sun]

it does activate cpak however, which will lead to larger save file

but no harm

but otherwise, ignore me then. I thought i need to find it in there, but the issue was either my old database or my custom mister main

[daring meteor]

Ah

[devout shard]

Thank you!

[warm pollen]

hey has anyone tried the NSO Nintendo Switch N64 controller? is the an input file that I should use?

what do I do with this zimage file? replace/rename the current zimage_dtb?

[mild ether]

If anyone needs to play GoldenEye now and can't wait I highly recommend the unreleased 360 version if you haven't tried it.

I got the old crew together I used to play it with every weekend when it got released and everybody liked it.

[lament escarp]

Rename the old one to _old and replace it. It's in the linux folder. You need it for rumble to work.

Don't forget to cold reboot btw

[solemn marlin]

I played it and had a pretty buggy experience but maybe that was just me

[mild ether]

Really? That is strange. It definitely isn't without issues but for the most part it was very playable.

I was using real development hardware although and never tried it emulated.

[lament escarp]

We need a xbox360 core to make it play correctly.

[solemn marlin]

It was some years ago and I definitely don't have the hardware to try now but I remember it being buggy enough to take me out of the experience

[topaz otter]

i tried to do pikachu's voice one time and I pulled a muscle in my nuts, I won't be doing that again

[solemn marlin]

Maybe it wasn't the core then.. nvm read that incorrectly

[tender pine]

You hipsters talking that 360 port/remaster. Goldeneye is at home and best enjoyed on the N64 via the og controller. Fact.

[topaz otter]

the 360 "remaster" made me mad when I realized that they took out fine aim

which means you can't peek around corners

[brisk edge]

Give me any version, and I'll torture myself trying to speed run Frigate

[topaz otter]

you basically have to play it as a dual stick fps now and it makes it feel like a mediocre game

[tender pine]

Goldeneye as a dual stick...🧐

Not on my watch.

[mild ether]

I don't know, everyone I used to play it with really seemed to enjoy it. A couple wanted to buy kits from me just to have a copy.

[dense wagon]

yeah i have to sort out the dual stick thing... got my logitech USB controller

[topaz otter]

yep you can't individually target body parts now, they took all the rail shooter components out of it

[dense wagon]

if thats even possible to have the core understand two sticks on the same controller

[topaz otter]

which also means you can't get back into the vent in the bathroom in facility

[dense wagon]

and OMG that clock face is flipping awesome

[tender pine]

He got game ☝️

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/for-england-golden-eye-pierce-brosnan-drop-fall-gif-10333921

give me the watch james

[solemn marlin]

Let me introduce you to our lord and savior 1p2c

[dense wagon]

ah yeah lol i was going to read up on what the numbers and letters mean haha

[tender pine]

I'd not even entertain the idea of playing Goldeneye via twin stix.

[mild ether]

It was really strange going back to playing a FPS without jumping again I admit.

[topaz otter]

with actual n64 controllers its awkward and unintuitive

[dense wagon]

must say playing PD on keyboard and mouse feels unfair lol

[solemn marlin]

It's a setting basically made for goldeneye and perfect dark only since they allow you to control with two controllers

[tender pine]

If you want jumping we've got Turok.

Thank you Turok...

[dense wagon]

its like... BAM headshot!, BAM headshot!

[topaz otter]

turok can not only jump, he can climb vines, very slowly

and with much effort

[mild ether]

Playing a FPS on consoles in general is awkward.

Even more with N64 controllers.

[topaz otter]

i blame it on the low oxygen content of the lost lands atmosphere

[tender pine]

Not true @mild ether

[tender pine]

Anybody VERY excited for the Turok 3 remaster this month?

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[mild ether]

Don't know what to say, I started on PC and still prefer PC.

[tender pine]

I'm not kidding when I say I'm more excited for it than Wonder and Spiderman 2 combined.

[topaz otter]

turok 3 is the worst turok

[solemn marlin]

Yea n64 fps with m+kb is fun in theory but they're not designed around that kind of speed

[tender pine]

Yes. That's the point and why this remaster is a godsend.

[lean spruce]

maybe add: for you. Some of the best COD players use gamepad

[tender pine]

In Nightdive we trust.

[topaz otter]

turok 3 is still a dark and weird game, with janky controls and a mishmash of ok ideas

[weary palm]

It was hard to maintain the old database. I'm in the hospital right now so I can't invest in the repo. I will work on it again a bit when I'm better.

[topaz otter]

also you don't even play as Turok because (spoilers) he died

[rich warren]

I've always wanted a wii nunchuck to replace WASD+space+ctrl+shift for PC fps games. Analog movement with mouse look

[mild ether]

Never really played any of those but if it's like Halo Kb + M players are handicapped against controller users.

[solemn marlin]

I do trust nightdive tbh, I want to try that sin game

[lean spruce]

yeah, I would suspect the auto-aim profile is more generous on gamepad

still theres nothign akward about it as you put it

[tender pine]

Trust me @topaz otter and mark my words. This Turok 3 remaster should not be missed by anybody with even a small interest in Turok.

[topaz otter]

alright I'll buy it then

[tender pine]

Sold!

[topaz otter]

the thing that dissapointed me most about that game was the tone change

it went from dinosaurs and jungles to like, biomechanical horror

[tender pine]

I'd luv luv luv Nightdive or whoever to release all 3 on physical at some point.

[topaz otter]

and a weird blade runner type scifi settings, was weird

[tender pine]

Yeah, it was obvs quite influenced by Half Life.

[topaz otter]

also the vampire gun was completely broken

i remember the hit detection on it was real spotty, half the time it didn't work.

also it took FOREVER to drain an enemies health

[tender pine]

It definitely lost the classic Turok tone but it's still worth preserving and that's why I thank God for Nightdive.

[topaz otter]

nightdive is a beast

[tender pine]

Guaranteed they will have fixed all these issues and niggles.

[topaz otter]

before they remastered the original turok, I had to play it on a windows 98 computer with DX7

[tender pine]

N64 was also an option.

[topaz otter]

i have it on that but its so ugly and blurry

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[tender pine]

On a crt it's not.

[topaz otter]

no, it still is

[weary palm]

Turok 1997, Half-Life 1998

[topaz otter]

turok on the N64 runs at a great framerate but its because of the kryptonite fog and the low res textures

[tender pine]

What's your point @weary palm ?

[topaz otter]

i did like that the enemies constantly respawn though

[tender pine]

Damn @topaz otter I could not disagree more.

[weary palm]

What?

[tender pine]

What you said about Turok and Half Life. What's your point?

[weary palm]

None.

[tender pine]

Em ok.

[weary palm]

Sorry for that.

[lament escarp]

Why can't he just randomly mention 2 great games?

[topaz otter]

I don't know what game they were chasing with turok 3 but it didn't work

big letdown from Turok 2

[tender pine]

He mentioned but with years released attached. Made it look like a point was being made.

[lament escarp]

I think they're doing a turok 3 remaster

[tender pine]

Turok 1 & 2...don't make me choose...

Sophie's choice.

[topaz otter]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/turok/images/9/94/Adon4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130529153320

also this might be one of the worst character redesigns I've ever seen

[lament escarp]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1996770/Turok_3_Shadow_of_Oblivion_Remastered/

Steam

Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion Remastered

Turok 3 Shadow of Oblivion Remastered is a faithful restoration of the classic first-person shooter originally released in 2000 for the Nintendo 64, upgraded through Nightdive Studios’ proprietary KEX Engine for play on modern gaming devices with up to a 4K resolution at 120FPS. It joins Nightdive Studios, Universal Games, and Digital Platforms’...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[topaz otter]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/turok/images/8/8a/T2adon1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170326182308

[tender pine]

That's ☝️ chefs kiss

[topaz otter]

i think the redesign for adon in T3 they were trying to make her look like psylocke from xmen?

maybe they consulted rob liefeld lol

[weary palm]

Kex. Funny name for a fellow Swede.

[topaz otter]

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1996770/extras/raptor_jumps.gif?t=1692823489

the definitive turok 3 experience

bullets are just there to take up space between you and the monsters

they put more junk in adons trunk

[weary palm]

It's a nice add-on

[lament escarp]

I wonder if robert will have a Christmas suprise for us. I think he mentioned one game could be running by then.

[daring meteor]

The game will be Mario

[lament escarp]

No super. No 64. No kart. Just mario.