Nintendo 64

[jade jetty]

I'm reading this in the voice of "the swede" from Our Flag Means Death

[jolly heath]

Looks like the latest build fixed the issues I was seeing in Beetle Adventure Racing. Skybox, blocky tree models and window divider for front and back side windows

[hollow rune]

Another panda. That makes 3 I think

[cerulean elk]

And I heard pandas were terrible at reproducing lol

[orchid nimbus]

don't be so black and white

before you know it it's going to me pandamonium

[woeful beacon]

~~fuckin ~~pandas

[chilly ember]

I can only bear so much

[orchid nimbus]

Pandas need their indepandance

you need only 2 letters to spell Panda: P, and, A.

[orchid nimbus]

pandas were created when 2 bi-polarbears attacked eachother and give eachother black eyes

[deft tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ONTXHS2mM grrrrrraaaaaa

[woeful beacon]

.... broads in atlanta.... somethin somethin... panda...

[deft tree]

twistin dope lean and the fanta

[woeful beacon]

credit caaards and the scammers

or somethin

[orchid nimbus]

scammers belong in slammers with the hammers of justice

[cerulean elk]

Did you hear about the panda that was always correcting everyone at the zoo? People said he was way too pandantic 😉

(Joke only works if you know the word im misspelling)

[weary palm]

Pedantic

[cerulean elk]

Haha glad someone got it. Wasn’t sure if it would make sense

Admittedly the joke is a reach

[weary palm]

It was a bit of a stretch, but...

[hollow rune]

That's the winner in my book

[inner plume]

Alright what sorcery is this? Coins popping out of my man Whomp over here if I dive on his back

[chilly ember]

That's his life savings

[rose elbow]

omg mario with a shotgun

[toxic pumice]

I watched Joel from vinesauce play through the game with it

absolutely fantastic

[rose elbow]

"* This works on N64 hardware, though for the best framerate and graphical effects, play on ParaLLEl"

let's goooooo

let's a-goooo*

[kind solar]

noticed a bug remaining with thps2 in latest core. the skate completion hanging out on the right of the screen flashing during gameplay after achieving that level goal

[solemn marlin]

The interesting part to compare with all the racing games is the collisions with other cars

[fair stump]

Bitroast actually confirmed that happens on real hardware

[kind solar]

oh ok lol

i did a search but didn't see that

[fair stump]

Yeah, surprising 😄

[solemn marlin]

Some feel rather seamless and some, like cruisn usa or ridge racer 64, it really feels like they're on rails

[weary perch]

@fair stump did you say the issues with V8 1 and 2 are fixed? missing/glitched 2D stuff?

[fair stump]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

Menu still busted but it's all legible and easy to navigate now

[fair stump]

It's thps3 but the same happens on 1 so I figure they all do it

[solemn marlin]

Anyone knows if the way beetle racing pops in distant geometry is accurate in the core? It probably is

[fair stump]

Someone said V8 was fixed, I briefly checked but didn't confirm it

[zinc dew]

Missing are all the 2D background images in the V8 menus - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUFHx_D-z_g

[weary perch]

thank you thoseposers and Robby

[zinc dew]

sorry you didn't ping me but I had just played it earlier, lol

[weary perch]

the number of games with issues that aren't TLB is getting small

vanishingly small

[fair stump]

Yeah 😆

[hollow rune]

I was just play OoT and the only thing still looking weird is the black lines in the ward sparkles when you play a warp song

[zinc dew]

Yeah, there's still a lingering transparency issue that a few games exhibit.

[night saddle]

ive noticed that line on the bottom of the spiraling effect when playing any song in oot

[hollow rune]

It feels like a z buffer issue, right?

That one is also confusing

[night saddle]

yeah exactly, seems like something is coming forward that shouldnt be

[weary perch]

the spiral effect is actually fixed recently, Walrus

same patch that fixed the fog clouds in WR64

[night saddle]

oh nice! i havent played since saturday so not surprising its already been fixed. things move so quickly with this core..

[weary perch]

the warp effect from Song of Soaring still looks off in MM

i think that effect happens somewhere in OOT, too?

[hollow rune]

I wonder if the TLB games are all just going to work when TLB gets implemented

[fair stump]

That's my guess

[hollow rune]

I will be streaming Goemon games till my panda butt falls off when that happens

[weary perch]

OOT does still have the triangle missing for a frame when the attract mode zooms into the kokiri forest entrace, but that seems to be the same issue a fair few games have where geometry will blink out for a frame from time to time

[rose elbow]

when i was doing A/B comparisions yesterday i did notice mister has like, more colour banding? noticed it especially in the fog gradients in the distance as i was walking up and down and the fog effect was going up/down

i dunno if that's that or just a general something

[hollow rune]

I was leaving Gerudo Valley today on 231025 and I jumped off the elevated fence and was running straight into the field and a large triangle in the ground briefly flashed black

but I don't know if that can be done on OG hardware

[zinc dew]

Yeah, known issue with MGL at the moment. Games with cart saves are fine but anything that uses a Controller Pak will produce issues. Best to just load games via the core for now.

Also interestingly I noticed that the core can have the type set to either F or S in the SV file = https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/blob/main/N64.sv. I have all my MGL set with S which is to mount the file. I wonder if that's an issue.

[hollow rune]

Oh I also can't get saves with Transfer Pak to work OR I don't understand the expected behavior

should they load in the GB core?

[fair stump]

Knowing nothing about the technical aspects I wonder if it's gonna go something like finish off test sheet issues > tighten all the timings for everything > tlb. Basically done then?

[hollow rune]

from his last patreon post, that seems to be the course

[fair stump]

I didn't even notice that post from this morning 😆

Whoops

[hollow rune]

You have tested so many wrestling games that no shame can come to you.

Right now I want to know what causes SnoCross to poop out. The @weary perch Crash

[chilly ember]

Can you create wrestlers in the N64 wrestling games?

[hollow rune]

I think so

[weary perch]

i played a bunch of Polaris Snocross today trying to see if i could finish a race like you did panda

no luck 😄

farthest i got was 45 seconds today

one was only 5 seconds 😮

[hollow rune]

I get way farther. I usually get to lap 3

[weary perch]

super random but also super consistent for me

that's wild

[zinc dew]

how is that game?

[weary perch]

i almost never make it to lap 2

it's not great, but i enjoy it

the handling is pretty fun

[hollow rune]

It is actually decent

The environment in the one stage I play looks nice

[weary perch]

not one of n64's finest but not the worst either

[hollow rune]

I like that you can pop a wheelie and it feels like you go faster

[weary perch]

night stages with the lighting look pretty neat

it's near identical to the PS1 version

which does work perfectly on the PSX core, if you want to play it without it crashing on you

[zinc dew]

that's cool, I'm a big fan of Sled Storm for PS1

[hollow rune]

Dualshock support?

[weary perch]

yeah should have analog+rumble iirc

it's like a 2000 release or something

[zinc dew]

@weary perch gotta play Sled Storm for the PS1, extremely good

[kind solar]

is n64pad in the options just for a controller without save pack or rumble?

[weary perch]

i am an absolute sucker for gen 5 racing games 🙂

[zinc dew]

me too, friend!

[weary perch]

i don't think i've actually played sled storm yet, i'll give it a try tonight!

whoever in here was talking about GT64

the Japanese version has a bit more content

sadly it doesn't run any better, still hangs out at 15

City Tour GrandPrix: Zen Nihon GT Senshuken is the JP version

the handling is really good, i wish someone could hack that game to make it run at at least 20 FPS consistently 😄

[hollow rune]

I want to like Beetle Adventure Racing more but it is really stiff

[weary perch]

20 / 15 is like the tolerable / 'what is this crap' FPS divide for N64 lol

panda, the early beetles control like butt

[zinc dew]

and I'm going to check out Polaris SnoCross myself, thanks!

[weary perch]

if you can unlock some of the later stuff, it starts handling a lot better

[languid dune]

Beetle Adventure Racing has a nice sense of progression.

[weary perch]

the police beetle you unlock later on controls really smoothly, but it does take some time to get there

[rose elbow]

ive seen people not enjoy Beetle coz the tracks are too long, which is totally true and fair LOL

always enjoyed it though. racing through the tracks and finding all the shortcuts

[zinc dew]

I loved that game, I also really enjoyed the MP

[solemn marlin]

I mostly just don't understand the beetles

[rose elbow]

its pretty funny having a game with only just 1 type of car

[weary perch]

beetle gets by on vibes, nice visuals, huge maps with lots of shortcuts and branching paths. some of the gameplay is kinda tedious because the tracks are super long, it's not the most intense racer, but it is pretty unique and one of the better looking N64 games

[zinc dew]

Game was made to promote the new beetle cars which were released in 98.

[weary perch]

also yeah the multiplayer is pretty great

[solemn marlin]

Never played it before but I feel it's one of the better playing ones for straight racing through real environments, it looks really good

[weary perch]

it has pretty good replay value too, trying to find all the boxes and get 100 points on each level

i really liked those bits of exploration in N64 racers

MK64 having peach's castle off to the side was great

then Rush had all the keys, etc.

good memories scouring for that stuff

[rose elbow]

its also by EA.. if you've ever played those old Need For Speed 2 and 3: Hot Pursuit from mid-90s .. Adventure Racing is more along those lines than other arcadey kinda games i think

[solemn marlin]

I guess, even as a kid I was confused by it, what business does a bunch of small family cars have engaging in street racing 🤔

[zinc dew]

it's not street racing, it's adventure racing

[solemn marlin]

Ohh...

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

I think it is supposed to be silly

[weary perch]

n64 also has some weird tie-ins, another theme i love on the console

Wave Race 64 randomly has Fanta ads, Tonic Trouble has Newman's Own popcorn

[rose elbow]

australia got HSV Adventure Racing instead, i'll happily join in on the beetle slander

[weary perch]

and Beetle has Beetles

[hollow rune]

Wait, there are Fanta ads>?

[languid dune]

But which adventure is better? Diddy Kong's or the Beetle's!?

[solemn marlin]

I get it now tbh but that was too advanced for me as a kid, I thought they looked reasonably futuristic enough to have a side gig as road warrior vehicles

[zinc dew]

Diddy Kong as loathe as I am to admit it

[hollow rune]

Oh I get that

[zinc dew]

@languid dune I was absolutely blown away as a kid when I drove around the hub world in Diddy Kong racing and the music shifted notes being played based on location. That was some real future music shit, I loved it.

[rose elbow]

not a beetle in sight :)

[zinc dew]

Say you're Australian without saying you're Australian

[languid dune]

Yeah, Rare was great with that. Banjo Koozie is another great example.

[solemn marlin]

They removed the adventure smh

[zinc dew]

More like Banjo Ka-dookie.

[rose elbow]

Diddy Kong Racing is awesome

ive tried emulating it and revisiting it a few times.. that awful DS port that came out

[languid dune]

N64 in general has a shockingly great library of racing games.

[vapid hawk]

yeah honestly it rivals psx which surprises me

[rose elbow]

mister core first time it felt right to replay dkr again aha

[hollow rune]

3d platforming, racing, wrestling, fighting, and board games pretty much covers the bulk of it

[vapid hawk]

psx probably pips it if you prefer simulationy games, but if you prefer arcade/kart/scifi racers n64 is super competitive

[timber field]

Cheers man, thanks for confirming.

[rose elbow]

it is funny that n64 always gets the "theres less than 5 good games on it" kinda rhetoric alot. i def wonder if emulation has just given the system a bad rep over the years

[hollow rune]

I think so

[vapid hawk]

it can't of helped yeah

[hollow rune]

I would put the top 10 N64 games against the top 10 PSX games any day

[vapid hawk]

plus like, when people actually had n64s they couldn't afford more than 5 games

[toxic pumice]

I think quite a few n64 games have a higher-than-average jank factor to them which gives people that 'only a few good games' impression

[rose elbow]

haha yeah that's true

[toxic pumice]

but for anyone with even the remotest jank tolerance there are some massive gems in the n64 library, honestly

[rose elbow]

i remember when the n64 came out, it took forever for rental stores here to get n64 games available also

i dunno if that was licensing or just due to the cost ..

[vapid hawk]

if i had to guess nintendo played stupid games with rentals

they've never liked them

[rose elbow]

yeah

[vapid hawk]

its illegal to rent games in japan apparently ?

[rose elbow]

not sure! doesn't sound totally unlikely

[vapid hawk]

but yeah i'm also surprised how many neat games are on n64 and i've had one with an everdrive for years 😄

[rose elbow]

yeah. i'd been meaning to hdmi mod my n64 to get the system in a better place

even with everdrive, i'd have to .. manually press the reset button to go back to the menu

so exploring that library was still a pain LOL

[zinc dew]

It’s why I have over 180 games for it

[rose elbow]

do you have Beetle or HSV Adventure Racing? 🤔

[zinc dew]

Ohh yeah, absolutely 🍻

Beetle Adventure Racing, I only buy NA games and a few imports

[vapid hawk]

how many of those 180 games are quest64

[zinc dew]

More than 0 and less than 180

[chilly ember]

64 copies of quest

[weary palm]

Yes, if you jump on their back coins pop out.

[fair stump]

THPS2 feels so much more daunting than 1 to me.

[woeful beacon]

its an RPG

get those stats up

otherwise, you should be able to go ham, I also always change all the special controls to be not shit

I used to make them all up down

or for grab tricks, left right

[fair stump]

damn, you're totally right

[woeful beacon]

that way you'll always (9/10 times) get a sick special when you're doing basic motions

[woeful beacon]

lol 12 year old me was on that good shit

remember also to use the wallride, boneless up to any ledge like 20 feet high haha

[fair stump]

Benihana being changed to left from rightis a crime 😄

[woeful beacon]

change that shit back

fix all that trash

down down should be 360 flip, up up 360 shove

all that nonsense

get COMFORTABLE

the hardest thing in the game ( I swear ) is finding ollie the magic fucking bum

(though to be fair he is || magic || )

[fair stump]

Checking the trick list, why do they use B

In 1 it's purely the c buttons and that's easy

Why are the controls jumping from A and B all the way to C up and C right?!

C left does mirror the B button

[native mesa]

Been playing pokemon crystal clear hard to plug it into stadium 2

Got my party together

Dark and ghost types

[weary beacon]

you got it working?

[native mesa]

no

just in anticipation

it will be a while before my dudes are leveled up

[zinc dew]

Duke Nukem 64 working great

[rose elbow]

oooo nice

[solemn marlin]

Still no option to disable inversed aiming so mark it as unplayable

[rose elbow]

Hexen was another one that got improved along with the Doom 64. i almost missed that one

[solemn marlin]

Do megaman legends look like the psx version with vi disabled?

[thorn flax]

not enough wobbling polygons to confuse the two

[zinc dew]

wobble wobble

[solemn marlin]

Yea the sharpness is what makes it look better but without the wobbling the n64 version might just have the upper hand 🤔

If disabling vi looks cool

[zinc dew]

I think the textures are lower res on N64

[solemn marlin]

I see

[zinc dew]

The audio is definitely compressed more

[chilly ember]

The fps in megaman 64 tanks alot compared to legends on ps1 too

You'd think it would have better frame rate compared to ps1 version

When you have to defend city hall, it feels like a slideshow

[weary perch]

you checked out SubDrag's control hacks?

[inner plume]

Do the Goemon games use TLB? Great Adventure locks up after the Konami logo and Mystical Ninja locks up after the New Game intro

[chilly ember]

I believe they do

[weary perch]

i wonder if Duke Nukem 64 (U) [!] Movement Controls - No Invert_1.04.z64 might work for you

[zinc dew]

Top Gear Hyperbike texturing fixed but the rider is no longer on the bike in the intro lol

[chilly ember]

Ghostrider

[zinc dew]

Hi-res is funky on Top Gear Overdrive and oh my god is this Creed-ass music awful

[vapid hawk]

how do you get the 1p2c stuff working these days? i lost track at some point and now i can't work it out

do you need a special build of main or anything

[weary perch]

i don't think you do anymore

[zinc dew]

What’s 1p2c

Oh my bad

It’s an option in the core menu

[vapid hawk]

1 player 2 controller - like for perfect dark , podracer etc

[weary perch]

i think the basic process is like

• leave right stick unmapped
• turn on Dual Controllers (P3 for Racer, otherwise P2)
• make sure 2 pads are enabled
• load/reset the game

right stick will now control P2/P3 analog stick

[zinc dew]

Ohhh

[vapid hawk]

cool no special builds needed or anything

thanks

[weary perch]

for perfect dark

use 2.2 or 2.4, then use Swap Analog Sticks

[solemn marlin]

Oh I didn't know, nice

[weary perch]

basically modern controls

[vapid hawk]

yeah i had it working a while back its awesome

[zinc dew]

sounds like cheating!!

[weary perch]

i think R gets mapped to P2 Z? not 100% sure

[solemn marlin]

I have a .mpl for perfect dual stick perfect dark, gonna be so cash to play through it once tlb is there

Oh and megaman is nothing like the psx version with vi turned off, still inferior tbh

Psx dialogue boxes are just so much crispier and nice

[chilly ember]

You can play perfect dark right now with the tlb removal patch

[solemn marlin]

Yea but it stuffs up at mission 7 or something because of it right?

[chilly ember]

Yea unfortunately

[solemn marlin]

I keep replaying the first mission just to bask in how good it controls

What about those dialogue boxes tho, why do that look better in psx? I assume they mix in higher res stuff for 2d overlays or something

[rose elbow]

i only got around to trying 1P2C with Shotgun Mario 64, which has the right stick as aim asif it's a third person shooter loool

It Just Works!

[elfin depot]

Legit question, I wonder if you could just map them inversely, would make navigating the menus and nightmare.

[solemn marlin]

I tried but no luck with dual stick

I guess if you make right stick c buttons but then you lose the analog

[solemn marlin]

Where did you find this one?

[vapid hawk]

got it working thanks !

[hardy canopy]

Is using the switch n64 controller a working thing? I saw the post from August about adding the .map file, but I still cant get the analog stick to work corrrectly

[tidal zenith]

did you add the new zimage? #unstable-nightlies message

[kind solar]

Yea it works great with the updated driver

[hardy canopy]

updated driver is in the new build? Mine is prob 1 or 2 weeks old

[stiff condor]

Wow that's old lol

[tidal zenith]

it's still in unstable so you can't get it via update_all I don't think

[stiff condor]

I think you're right

[kind solar]

It’s all in the pinned threads

[hardy canopy]

yea thats my bad I should have updated before asking questions 🙂

i modified my downloader script so I think it will come in thru update all

Thanks everyone, will download now

[rose elbow]

i'm not entirely sure if that linked zimage in the pins is included in the update

[hardy canopy]

Oh I misunderstood, the zimage is an unstable build of the entire mister, I thought it was just a link to the latest core

[modern sleet]

Try this

[deft tree]

just play the PSX versions lol

[modern leaf]

Hi, there a script ou way to convert GBC save on Mister to N64 Transfer pak?

[hardy canopy]

Same issue, I think at this point the problem may be iwht how its mapped in mister outside of the core, going to play around with it, thank you for the file and help

[fair stump]

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but transfer pak is such a recent feature I don't believe anyone has put a script like that together yet

[weary beacon]

No TLB Till Brooklyn

[modern sleet]

Last one basically gets Hsync closer to the 4.7us length, but originally it was under 2us.. its still not exact but it shouldnt cause problems either

[rose elbow]

the Analog joystick in the N64 core is automatically mapped to the controller left joystick. so you might have to map that first using Define Joystick buttons

[hardy canopy]

That could very well be my issue, thank you

[modern sleet]

Oh that core wasn't for you haha

[woeful beacon]

I love it when they use some stupid shit for a grind move instead of like ... the fuckin grind button...

I always set the manual specials to triangle as well, so you dont accidentally get a fuckin benihana an inch off the ground

12 year old me was NOT having it

[kind solar]

tony hawk 1 seems much easier on n64 vs psx

[woeful beacon]

@fair stump you want to see something cool, pick casper to 360 flip special (manual special) and then let it come to a stop, and you'll see "freestylin" 😛

[fair stump]

With how finicky wall grinding the school bells and ollying these fire hydrants, my subjective opinion is that THPS 1 is objectively better

[woeful beacon]

hahahaha nahhh

you just gotta learn the tech

but yeah its finnicky

for damn sure

but I still like 2 way better than 1 😛

cuz it has FREESTYLIN tho

and also Spiderman

(I dunno if the n64 version did, but my version growing up did)

what fuckin game did I just link a gif of

[kind solar]

thats the remake right?

[woeful beacon]

spiderman was in tony 1?

[fair stump]

1 had officer dick

[woeful beacon]

the UI is all fucky

what the fuck version of 2 is that

omg its 2x

[fair stump]

Yeah why does it look like that 😆

[woeful beacon]

this is that xbox shit

I never played this one

im not really feelin the anti aliasing

thats gettin deleted

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/948/839/7f0.gif now we're talkin

wait am I not allowed to GIF here anyways

shhhh

[zinc dew]

[woeful beacon]

SHIT ITS THE FUZZ

[zinc dew]

[woeful beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

robby coming in like

okay I'll stop

sorry

[fair stump]

For real though, with how many objectives each level has there's no way to do them all in one run, right? Or does that just come with experience?

I'm pretty sure a solid thps run could complete all objectives in one go

[zinc dew]

[solemn marlin]

I'm sure someone can do them all at once but I think most players do one or two each run

People are too good at video games

[oblique crow]

hope everyone is having a wonderful day 🙂

[zinc dew]

Thanks, man. You too. 🍻

[solemn marlin]

Nothing quite as sad watching someome doing the 1000000 points challenge you've struggled with for a day blow past it times ten, chaining every trick together

It's all about the manualing

[last quest]

When i load every rom I get

Auto-detect failed:
ROM missing from database,
you might not be able to save

I used these roms for a long time in an everdrive. Should i just get new roms?

[rich flicker]

you need to get the n64 database.txt

[zinc dew]

@last quest there’s a pin that gives you a link for a script to use that will download the latest version of this core and the N64 database file which you need

Damnit beaten again lmao

[last quest]

thank you both anyways

[rich flicker]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database.txt

you can get it there and put it manually into your N64 directory

[zinc dew]

It’s not a script, it’s a line you add to downloader.ini - #1096015979055697940 message

[rich flicker]

haha, sorry for hijacking

[zinc dew]

No no please hijack away

we want to make sure everyone is able to enjoy this amazing core

[rose elbow]

please take your apologies to #general-banter

[rich flicker]

I wanted to ask a silly question: I don't know much of anything about the Nintendo64, and I noticed I have a couple games failing to save. I am guessing this is just the status of WIP and some save types aren't supported, and no need to report that?

[zinc dew]

All save types should work. The n64 database file informs the core what kind of save rom the cart has and if it needs the controller pak.

remember that the only way to make sure it saves is to open the core menu

It’s not a silly question at all. Without understanding the whys and hows of save behavior it’s all very obtuse.

[rich flicker]

both the games report broken saves on start actually. I checked one online and in the database, it is marked as 32K, and I only found a reference online to some site I don't quite know that listed "sram256" as the save type on the cartridge

they save, but the saves are reported broken on further start.

[zinc dew]

Wipe your saves/n64 folder and try again after adding the n64 database file

Also what games?

[rich flicker]

One is Fuurai no Shiren 2, which likes the snes one, is an heavy sram saving game saving every single move XD

[zinc dew]

Oh that might be an issue.

[languid dune]

Yeah, Shiren 2 doesn't save on the core still.

[rich flicker]

ah thank you

the other was Ozumo 64, the first one I think

[zinc dew]

I think it’s a special case?

Oh, not sure about that one

[languid dune]

I don't think there's any way for the rumble version of Wave Race to save properly either due to a bug with the game/core.

[rich flicker]

ah thank you!

wave race

that was it

[zinc dew]

why can’t you play like banjo Kazooie

[rich flicker]

haha

[zinc dew]

That works!

[rich flicker]

the core is amazing

I am surprised how many games work :O

[zinc dew]

Yeah real short explanation, Wave Race Shindou does this weird slow check on the save type. Something along those lines. It’s very unique and the core doesn’t account for that yet.

[rich flicker]

Oh it's only dependant on that version. those freak cartridges!

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s so odd haha

[rose elbow]

Banjo Kazooie is the one game ive beaten on the mister already 😎

[rich flicker]

The rendering in this core is incredible. It does justice to the strange unique blurry picture of the system

anyway thank you again for the help. Take care good people ^-^/

[native mesa]

Shun this lubed up man

[inner plume]

So far I've only beaten Rayman 2

[chilly ember]

I finished superman 64 on the core so no one else ever has to

[mortal panther]

We are so very proud of you!

[inner plume]

I remember playing it as a kid and thinking man I suck

[mortal panther]

deleting the ROM now...

[inner plume]

Playing it as an adult, nah it's the game

[chilly ember]

The saw it at friends house once I was oh cool superman 64, that sounds fun

He's like nah, it sucks we're not playing it

[inner plume]

Someone get this man the Super Secret TLB core

[languid dune]

I'm sorry that happened to you. But delighted that none of us need to be subjected to it!

[mortal panther]

Was funny seeing so many parents bringing their kids back to the stores to try to return the carts for a full refund back then... or at the very least, an exchange.

[inner plume]

Verbatim what my friend said to me. I insisted and he groaned

It was that bad

[rose elbow]

it can't be that bad

[chilly ember]

Oh it's that bad lol

[grim spindle]

It's worse

[vapid hawk]

its famously one of the worst games of all time

[inner plume]

There's always that one guy who says "it's not that bad"

[vapid hawk]

even watching an LP of it is unbearable

[inner plume]

Or "it can't be that bad"

[grim spindle]

I would much rather spend the day playing Atari ET and CDI Zelda

[vapid hawk]

anyday

[mortal panther]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception#Superman_64_(1999)

[chilly ember]

I'd rather play action 52

[vapid hawk]

CDI zelda is a masterpiece by comparison

[mortal panther]

Nintendo Power themselves ranked it as the worst game on a Nintendo platform. 😄

[vapid hawk]

it should of been an outrage tbh, selling that game at n64 game prices

[rose elbow]

typing "it can't be that bad", immediately followed by discord "Several people are typing ... " 😆

[vapid hawk]

even speedruns of it are boring

[zinc dew]

It gets worse as you play. Everyone makes fun of the rings but that’s more enjoyable than the stages after it lol.

[rose elbow]

yeah the rings look like the "fun" part

[vapid hawk]

god the ice-breath stuff

[chilly ember]

The rings are the best part

[vapid hawk]

one of your main weapons just murders the framerate down to single digits every time you fire

[mortal panther]

Even Blast Processing™️ wouldn't help that.

[chilly ember]

I was set on finishing superman 64, got half way through it and had to take a break from the core for a couple days lol

[vapid hawk]

if you put some cheats on to disable the time limit and just fly off and explore the city it is a little bit novel how big it is

[rose elbow]

im up to jabu jabu on an ocarina playthrough, booted up majoras mask cos i wanted to see it in action

it looks so good 😭👌

[vapid hawk]

for how quickly they turned around MM it really is a step up on graphics

[rose elbow]

yeah, i guess ocarina being developed thru the early n64/development, much longer dev process

MM they knew what they were doing going in

[fair stump]

Robby quest 64 playthrough check in

[mortal panther]

That Super Mario 64 Shotgun hack is hilarious.

[rose elbow]

yupppp

its what im looking at and playing today LOL

with dualshock ps4 controller

[chilly ember]

I'm surprised you can destroy the trees a little with the mario shotgun hack

[vapid hawk]

does it work through the whole game?

[mortal panther]

That Fire Shotgun with L is an odd choice. Thankfully it's easily remappable.

[chilly ember]

Is there anything else you can shoot besides the trees to damage them

[rose elbow]

like everything lol

[chilly ember]

That's awesome hahah

[rose elbow]

u can blast open doors that are locked by stars

blow up goombas etc

its hilarious

[mortal panther]

Launch the big Chomp into the air. 😄

[vapid hawk]

lol can you just shoot your way right to bowser?

[rose elbow]

https://youtu.be/YHdUHSv2lPc

[mortal panther]

I like how it's suggested that he's about to blow away the baby penguin. 🤣

[chilly ember]

Someone's gotta shoot that damn monkey

[vapid hawk]

ok this is much higher effort than i was expecting wow

looks like they've really remade the game as a shooter lol

[inner plume]

Can't say I've ever played Tonic Trouble before, but I'm pretty sure this isn't what the title screen should look like

Compare to the title screen here: https://www.mobygames.com/game/2765/tonic-trouble/screenshots/n64/194359/

So far though the rest of the game seems to be working fine

[chilly ember]

I think the pc version of tonic trouble is actually better. I believe it's got fmv at the start that's not in the n64 version

[zinc dew]

big if true

[rose elbow]

and the player 2 controller joystick is camera control for aiming. in mister osd you can enable "Dual controller P1>P2" and play with a dual stick

[vapid hawk]

yeah it like, actually looks legit fun

until i watched the vid i assumed it was like, a silly proof of concept

[topaz otter]

you can also aim the shotgun down and fire and it will kick you up in the air

[rose elbow]

ive only played a tiny bit to test it worked.. keen to dive in more properly later

[topaz otter]

I remember the hack where mario was in a wheelchair

[rose elbow]

and widescreen too! if you press start, there's a widescreen mode, and then again mister OSD has the option for Fullscreen

[inner plume]

Does the Mario 64 shotgun hack work with the core or at least real hardware?

[rose elbow]

DanGPTV who did the mod wrote the note "This works on N64 hardware, though for the best framerate and graphical effects, play on ParaLLEl"

not too sure what's referring to, initial impression seems fine

[inner plume]

I will definitely have to check that out

[rose elbow]

here's running on mister
#1096015979055697940 message

[topaz otter]

mario 64 loses its E for everyone rating with the level of violence on display

after he cleans out bowsers castle, booster tower is next

[inner plume]

Nah

Rated E for Exterminate

[topaz otter]

does anyone remember how the mirror room works in mario 64

its like a bot that copies the players movements or something right

[mortal panther]

The shotgun automatically fires downward if you fire it while in the air.

[rose elbow]

like a quake rocket jump lol

[inner plume]

I'm not sure, but this thread seems to think so: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198848-super-mario-64/42557229

Apparently with a Gameshark you can enter that side of the mirror and walk around

[topaz otter]

i like the idea that the second mario is controlled by miyamoto himself

and everytime someone goes into that room, he has to get up from his desk, go over to his computer, and control mario

[broken cradle]

question about the dtb file, do i still need to use an unstable mister to use it?

[topaz otter]

I'll have to try that with the gameshark and see what happens

[inner plume]

Is there a list of untested games?

[orchid nimbus]

no

because it's 0

[inner plume]

Ah wait I read the graph wrong

Lol

Maybe I should go to bed at a reasonable time for once

[orchid nimbus]

here is another graph

[broken cradle]

whats the tester people use for the analog stick range

[orchid nimbus]

ping time over the week/running average and running year

[topaz otter]

9 out of 10 people agree that polls are completely made up

[orchid nimbus]

people like to look at graphs for some reason

[inner plume]

60% of the time graphs are right, every time

[orchid nimbus]

even a broken clock is right twice a day

[inner plume]

I can attest upper management loves graphs and pie charts

The stereotype is true

[ocean lily]

grafana is prettier

[inner plume]

Eh as long as it shows the data

But yes grafana is super nice

[stiff condor]

I had trouble reading it at first

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdx0TPjX1qE&t=1s

[inner plume]

I gotta be honest, you smell like pure gasoline

I wish I could BLJ

[rose elbow]

ohh, you can just walk around lakitu?

good to know

[solid crest]

MiSTer’s framework makes it kind of easy or at least easier. Turn turbo on for the jump button (A button) - Hold A and press the MiSTer Menu button. Then change the turbo frequency to slightly slower because SM64 runs at 30 fps - hold dpad right and press the MiSTer menu button.

Do a long jump on the stairs while holding both Z and A. Then pull the stick back, but not completely back. . Mess around with your backwards velocity a bit till it works.

[broken cradle]

i just did it, took me for fucking ever but i did it

[broken cradle]

so the trick is to not go all the way back on the stick? i thought it was more of the mashing, all i know is i got it after 15min but i cant do it consistantly on the stairs before the endless

endless its just a matter of time before i get up but the one 1 floor below is rough

[solid crest]

I am not fully sure. I just know it didn’t work when I pulled fully back

[stiff condor]

I've tried but have never been successful

[worldly quartz]

wonder how you can tell if a game is perfect

[latent galleon]

you can't

🤯

[woeful grove]

can I play castlevania 64 yet?

[latent galleon]

you can't

[woeful grove]

oh

[latent galleon]

🤯

i tried today and got a black screen, so i am assuming tlb

[woeful grove]

ill come back later

[latent galleon]

i will miss you

[orchid nimbus]

I won't 🙂 she's right here

@woeful grove play SotN instead

[woeful grove]

no. I want the only good n64 game, castlevania. I've never played it, but it's castlevania so it must be good.

[latent galleon]

why does it feel like vampier just made a your mama joke, except with kitrinx

[worn delta]

I take it there are no hacks that remove TLB from either of the two Castlevanias and they are still playable?

[orchid nimbus]

because @woeful grove is too young to be my mother

[woeful grove]

huh?

[latent galleon]

no idea

was there an emulator that didn't work with TLB at some point? trying to understand why the patches exist

[wanton sun]

improve speed

if you really use it, instead of just setting it up one time and forget it, because you don't really need it anyway, it will cost CPU performance. The more you use it(amount of different mappings), the more it costs

free are only 2 entries for instructions and 32 entries for data. if you use more, it will cost

[latent galleon]

oh so these are patches that helped keep framerates up on original hardware as well? that makes a lot of sense then

🙏

[hasty gorge]

so you run update_all (or update?) script after updating downloader.ini? i was using the n64 updater script before but it doesn't seem to pull the latest

[broken cradle]

did you add the text in the downloader.ini?

i just ran update all and it pulled todays

[next magnet]

Is there some special trick to get the auto detect to work with the N64-database.txt file? I have the everdrive romset, put the text file in the rom folder with the games and bios. Auto detect always fails.

[orchid nimbus]

keeping it up is good

[worn delta]

You are best to read the pins and add a line to the downloader .ini which will grab the latest build and .txt file when ran, and update all grabs the bio files for you

[desert crow]

wait til sees the skeletons on motorcycles in castlevania

[next magnet]

Thank you moondandy, using the update all fixed it. No idea why putting the files in manually from FPGAZumSpass site didn't work but hey it's working now 🙂 .

[weary beacon]

Hello, with your emulator can you see how many entries the TLB enabled games are using? Thank you.

[orchid nimbus]

@weary beacon what emulator?

[weary beacon]

His own development emulator

[latent galleon]

@orchid nimbus #1096015979055697940 message

[orchid nimbus]

?

[quick arch]

Mario Golf is not on the list ?

[latent galleon]

@orchid nimbus they weren't asking what games need tlb, they were asking how many tlb entries games were using per robert's comment there

[orchid nimbus]

I like ham

hamsters are funny

[wanton sun]

yes. I can see how many entries are used and how often they are swapped out and could even calculate roughly how much performance it costs. Maybe worth to try with some different games to get a feel before doing the TLB implementation to see what we really need in the core

[weary beacon]

This is a great idea 👍 it would be great to share these numbers with us 😉

[wanton sun]

can do that when i start working on it

[worldly quartz]

can't wait for the numbers to be shared then next day, it's implemented

[odd vector]

it sounds to me, that tlb is a big thing to implement

[latent galleon]

it sounds like a little thing with big consequences

A virtual address is converted into a physical address by using the internal TLB. The internal TLB is a full-associative memory having 32 entries, and one entry is mapped with an odd and even numbers in pairs.

like that is all it is, a virtual address scheme...but i guess that is huge and slows everything down

[weary perch]

completed nascar 2000

not particularly great, but handles pretty well and runs at a decent clip

the commentary should be turned off though, lol

[chilly ember]

How are the tracks? Anything exciting?

[weary perch]

most of the tracks are quite simple as they are all actual NASCAR tracks and very fast with a few exceptions. Sears Point and Watkins Glen are road courses with pretty interesting layouts, though they are both pretty short

the rest are ovals or something close to that

the game is extremely similar to Nascar '99 with a few improvements

it kind of renders the other game obsolete as it is basically the same but slightly better

the handling is slightly better, the graphics are slightly better, and they added a slipstream/drafting meter to the HUD... and that's it lol

[worldly quartz]

It is. It's virtual memory + direct memory access. It's a lot and it needs to be done really well

[chilly ember]

Sounds like a NASCAR game to me haha. I remember my brother using an elastic for Gran turismo on the analog sticks and tape to accelerate for one of those oval races that has like 100 laps

[worldly quartz]

it's said that implementing it might slow down the core too

[quasi storm]

Games like Perfect Dark have had TLB Patched out. Honestly, if it came down to the wire, we still have some hope.

Too early to say, though.

[mossy vector]

My first love was Hover Crate. Unlike Companion Cube, Hover Crate has never let me down.

[chilly ember]

Hover crate lets me down when enemies decide they wanna shoot it until it blows up and I have to restart the mission :p

[mossy vector]

More quality time spent with hover crate then

[chilly ember]

Maybe hover crate will make a comeback if they ever release the reboot they've been working on

[crisp monolith]

This works! No jumping

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun Beatle Adventure Racing skybox and car color etc fixed... Awesome 😍

[quasi storm]

Are the trees still crazy looking?

[tropic sand]

I think they looked OK but will take a better look later.

[quasi storm]

Wait... That was Beetle Adventure Racing, right? 🤔

[tropic sand]

Yes

[daring meteor]

Yeah the trees are good

But no fog

[weary beacon]

Which games are using YUV textures?

[daring meteor]

Ogre Battle

Some FMVs

Basically - Every E4000 game except for Supercross

[quasi storm]

So, what is up with Dr. Mario? That's not YUV?

[daring meteor]

What problems does Dr Mario have?

The black boxes were fixed in the recent update

[north lagoon]

If i understand good TLB implementation will be done at the end because it will slow down the core?

[bronze tree]

oh, there is still some fog missing?

[daring meteor]

Yeah, in Beetle Adventure racing

[daring meteor]

Possibly

Most visable in Mount Mayham

The lack of fog

"It works as a post-processing and uses depth buffer as the texture source."

Huh

[bronze tree]

and here I was thinking the game looked perfect 🙂

[daring meteor]

Compared to beforehand, yes haha

[bronze tree]

I just watched some footage on youtube, the fog adds a lot 🙂

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun Fog... With Beatle Adventure Racing screenshot... http://gliden64.blogspot.com/2014/07/depth-buffer-emulation.html?m=1

[vapid moat]

Shotgun Mario is a romhack of all time

[quaint pewter]

I believe it's being left til near the end because it will make debugging more difficult. So need to squish all possible bugs before it's implemented in the core.

[rose elbow]

been playing Shotgun Mario and had first crash an hour in LOL (had the romhack debug info pop up, not a mister crash)

[mild ether]

It's being saved for last because GoldenEye is the best game ever on N64 therefore saving the best for last.

[quaint pewter]

Did you shoot the baby penquin? Or are you not a monster? 🙂

[rose elbow]

Please. LOL what do u think

i shot EVERYTHING

the game crashed when i shot the eel underwater

i was kind of just playing the game proper for a bit getting every star. it's kind of just a fun way to play Mario 64 having the rocket jump lol ... altho the camera style does kind of go against the super mario 64 run and jump physics. so it's also definitely a silly way to play it LOL

[native mesa]

I don't think so it will just make debug harder for other things

[stuck summit]

I'm impressed it even runs on real hardware

[rose elbow]

for sure!!

[empty cliff]

how far have people managed to get on mario shotgun 64?

oh the whole room is about that already haha I see

[rose elbow]

i was playing for an hour and just working thru the first couple of levels

[empty cliff]

at first I thought it was built off the pc decompile

what a great romhack

[rose elbow]

yeah !

it actually crashed at a nice time, i was needing a break anyhow

[sly wasp]

Wow goldeneye uses a LOT of TLB: https://github.com/kholdfuzion/goldeneye_docs/blob/master/notes/GE Documentation/TLB index NGEE.txt

[bronze tree]

it seems that DALL-E doesn't know what a MiSTer FPGA looks like 🙂

</offtopic>

[daring meteor]

I love ITX motherboards

[zinc dew]

https://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/snes2n64/index.php

can use SNES mouse to work as a standin N64 mouse

[kind nimbus]

Does anyone have this controller

I can't figure out how to make Rumble work, driving me nuts

[toxic pumice]

I have this controller as well, and no I haven't managed to get rumble to work either. 🙂

I'll take a look tonight once i'm home from work and let you know.

[plush summit]

I wouldn't be surprised that more N64 controllers will get better compatibility overtime

[patent dragon]

i think its the same with the Brawler64 bluetooth too. i dont have rumble

[restive vortex]

I can get rumble to work with the DualSense but not with the NSO controller or the Brawler64 NSO edition. As far as I can understand after reading a lot about it, it's related to Linux drivers and not all pads are "officially" supported yet.

[kind nimbus]

Ah ok

Good to know, thanks all

I miss the insane rumble

I know we all gab about it everyday, but... Holy shit how lucky are we to have Robert and his work

[past mango]

No, that's a pic of a system that Robert is going to cram into it as a core.

[final walrus]

Enjoyer of good games, as proven by pfp

[topaz otter]

The question is, should you

[woeful grove]

Hey nobody really relishes the task of having to kill Dracula, but sometimes we just have to buck up and do what's right.
-Simon Belmont

he didnt actually say that. I just made it up.

I just really want to play something on n64 and I can't find any game I really want to play on it

I know castlevania 64 is bad, but i've never played it

[worldly flint]

The more I learn about TLB the more confused I am about it. If it's just an addressing lookup table but using it more than a little negatively affects performance what was it actually good for

[woeful grove]

the same thing as war?

[final walrus]

Hot take: Castlevania 64 isn’t bad, don’t take every common internet opinion as gospel

[woeful grove]

I haven't liked any of the 3d castlevanias

[toxic pumice]

Honestly some of the most fun I've had with this core has been the jank stuff. Some gems in there, enjoy the crap.

[final walrus]

They’re very different and I get not liking them. They’re not bad tho

[polar raft]

say it again

[toxic pumice]

I haven't started it yet but I've got it ready to start on a rainy day.

[woeful grove]

I was making fun of the song

[final walrus]

Huh?

[polar raft]

mee too

[toxic pumice]

"Absolutely nothing"

[woeful grove]

yeah

lol

[polar raft]

'Say it again"

[toxic pumice]

Yup.

The ever elusive double woosh

[woeful grove]

oh

I dont really know the lyics

[worldly flint]

Just like nobody really knows what the TLB is supposed to be for

[final walrus]

Huh! Absolutely nothing. As we’ve just established

It’s basically slow & fake cache expansion, right

[woeful grove]

im sure it has a purpose, and I could probably figure it out if I actually looked up the details, but probably Robert will just appear and explain it to me like i'm a golden retriever anyway

[worldly flint]

Nintendo did just kind of throw every hardware feature they could think of into the N64, to various amounts of success.

[fluid gazelle]

@woeful grove goldens are the best though 🙂

[woeful grove]

good dogs for sure

though if I had to be a dog, i'd rather be a husky

[fluid gazelle]

lol they are soooo loud

[woeful grove]

exactly

[fluid gazelle]

😄

[woeful grove]

I wanna siiiing

[solemn marlin]

Yea I'd also be interested in an explanation for dummies, it seems strange that so many games work without it, it couldn't have been that important for development

[woeful grove]

they work because the operators are never used

[daring meteor]

For using Virtual memory

[woeful grove]

it seems like it's a totally optional subcomponent

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[woeful grove]

oh is that what it is, just a virtual memory thing?

[worldly flint]

Yeah the real question becomes why did the few games that use it decide to do so. What did they think they were getting out of it?

[daring meteor]

The use of virtual memory on a system like the N64 is ease of development

[woeful grove]

so more memory for the price of speed?

I can see why it was seldom used

[daring meteor]

It doesn't give you more memory

[woeful grove]

what does it give you

[worldly flint]

I would have said better performance, but the Perfect Dark patch proves that's not necessarily the case.

[toxic pumice]

It's just changing and reallocating addresses, isn't it?

you want to put something in this location, you're going to put it here instead

[daring meteor]

Easier programming

[worldly flint]

Maybe Rare just didn't do a great job implementing it.

[woeful grove]

so like for the n64 version of realloc()?

so you can kind of keep the pointer in the same spot but to a different block of memory?

[daring meteor]

Like the way Mario 64 uses it, which basically aliases cartridge adresses to memory (From me trying to understand it)

[woeful grove]

or switch between buffers or something?

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[worldly flint]

That makes sense

[sly wasp]

People have said TLB made it easier to program the games but I'm not sure how much of that is true. It also allowed for the creation of a large amount of "virtual" memory theoretically providing more storage but I think it's more to do with ease of programming at the "slight" cost of performance (although it wasn't advertised as that to developers.

[woeful grove]

those kinds of abstractions, esp when dealing with low level code like that, I could see as being a huge source of bugs

because unlike a more high level language, it's going to really murder readability of the code

[fluid gazelle]

wonder if TLB will be a pain to impliment or not

[woeful grove]

like you can never trust a pointer

[rose elbow]

its interesting that seemingly no first party nintendo games used it

[worldly flint]

My understanding is TLB isn't so much hard to implement as really tedious as it involves a lot of parallel components and resource use.

[daring meteor]

Exactly, so if you make the pointers constant it can help development

[sly wasp]

mario 64 uses it for the stretchy face

[woeful grove]

seems like it is just demanding on timing so robert wants to do it last to make development faster

hard timing = longer and less stable compiles

[daring meteor]

The core already doesn't pass timing lol

[woeful grove]

yes, but you can miss by a little or miss by a lot

[toxic pumice]

only since the interlace change though right?

[woeful grove]

like jaguar for instance doesn't pass timing by a lot

so a build can randomly run games or not it's so bad

[daring meteor]

It's like 83MHz out of 93 and nobody has raised any consurns

[daring meteor]

Since always

[sly wasp]

TLB / pointers used quite extensively and reliably in Goldeneye : https://github.com/kholdfuzion/goldeneye_docs/blob/master/notes/GE Documentation/TLB index NGEE.txt

[rose elbow]

oh yes true! there is the backstory there that the stretchy face was developed as a tech demo testing out the N64 capabilities, and was shoehorned into the game. the actual game part of mario 64 doesn't use it.

[daring meteor]

(Still gotta get to understand why my interlace doesn't work haha)

[worldly flint]

It's a case by case basis how important timings are. Usually the more components are working in parallel, the more important it is to have close timings.

[rose elbow]

paper mario is the other one, that came from nintendo Intelligent Systems. maybe i'm more just referring to Nintendo EAD not using it

when i think of "in house first party nintendo"

[sly wasp]

Now if only some genius could cross-reference this with address ranges posted by that same guy in the Goldeneye decompilation and recompile a TLB-free (hard-coded/pointer-removed) version (Like the perfect dark hack), I'm sure it would cut the amount of TLB work needed in Robert's core

[solemn marlin]

What type of information is it pulling or is that a dumb question

[worldly flint]

I wonder if any game actually uses the full extent of the TLB. Just making a TLB implementation that matches what games actually use might be easier than making a TLB that matches the original hardware.

[daring meteor]

Nobody even compiled a proper Mario 64 yet

[solemn marlin]

Like for mario stretchy face and paper mario dust, I can see how that stuff was added later

[sly wasp]

yes this has been mentioned by Robert. some games only use it very sparingly

[buoyant plume]

You need to change mode. Start+B for 5 seconds. You should have 2 lights on the controller.

[woeful grove]

sure careful coders can deal with it, I can just tell you it probably creates an extra burden of care

[wanton sun]

yes like that. you can have multiple processes and each can have its own flat memory without knowing what the others do

[woeful grove]

it's good in concept

[zinc dew]

I want to play Castlevania too @woeful grove

They seem like fun games

[woeful grove]

there's more than one?

[zinc dew]

Yeah, there’s just Castlevania and Castlevania Legacy of Darkness which is like an improved version but changes stage layouts so it doesn’t make the original irrelevant.

[woeful grove]

oh didn't LoD get totally retconned?

[zinc dew]

I don’t know

You have to beat the werewolf guy’s story to play the original Castlevania 64 ones - Reinhardt and Carrie

Anyways, I plan on checking both out, seem like fun games

[knotty zealot]

https://youtu.be/AUfpfOU_4IY?t=159 the replies you get when asking kitrinx anything

[woeful grove]

I'm the charming one, clearly

when people talk about aspect ratios I just sit cross legged in my kitchen and rock back and forth with my hands folded behind my head

[knotty zealot]

luul

yes, we all watch the discussions with great enthusiasm

"why is it so stretched, i wonder?" "how come these pixels aren't aligned properly?" then i remember i'm hungry

[river shale]

Has anyone looked into core performance with the ram overclock for the mister?

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=4320&sid=4bb2c43ec7f06f69a81709c0a498f355&start=180

In the thread people are suggesting that increased ram speed may help with slowdowns, but the way robert explains, the ddr3 is only accessed as 125 mhz, so wouldn't this mean a ram overclock is totally pointless?

#1096015979055697940 message

Or would an overclock / timing adjustment lower access latency, and therefore that would improve core performance? At the end of the day, if the ddr3 has lower latency than the SDram module, wouldn't this also cause issues?

[orchid nimbus]

Left and left we go

[zinc dew]

Have you ever met Beyoncé

[chrome lodge]

yes

[woeful grove]

what is Beyonce?

[abstract slate]

He likes to fish

[chrome lodge]

shes a single ladies

[zinc dew]

Me neither which Console is your favorite

[abstract slate]

Something about Robby is different today

[knotty zealot]

the REAL slowdown is caused by one's own lack of a proper sleep pattern from writhing in nightmarish pain after having played castlevania 64 the day before

[woeful grove]

Who can really say. Do we really care about consoles or do we care about the games for them?

If a console had no games, would it really be a console at all?

[rapid condor]

what are some N64 games that are horrid other than Superman 64? I'm trying to relive my blockbuster memories.

[abstract slate]

You're crushing it

[zinc dew]

Me neither, do you prefer a Digital IO or Analog IO board

[solemn marlin]

I really dislike mace

[woeful grove]

My problem with conversations for real is I usually ask uncomfortably demanding questions when someone was trying to smalltalk

[zinc dew]

Excellent

[woeful grove]

or just dont care about irrelevant information

[knotty zealot]

do you really want to go there? you could enhance your nostalgia emulation by doing regression hypnosis trying to dig up other painful memories of those years. couple that with n64 and you could simulate your previous life accurately.

[woeful grove]

absolutely

[zinc dew]

lol

[abstract slate]

This is a good conversation

[zinc dew]

we both graduated from charm school

[vapid moat]

I had Nascar 99 and Idk if it ever made sense to me, closest of owning shovelware on my small collection of N64-games back the day

(YMMV)

[rapid condor]

that's why I need this lol. I remember playing a lot of bad games, I made some horrible choices when I was a young lad, while my parents divorce on the next room. I just don't remember the name of the games.

[woeful grove]

lets talk more about me

[knotty zealot]

it was smash bros

[rapid condor]

I did like racing games, imma poke that one

[knotty zealot]

you're never around. you finally pipe up. we gotta get down to it. snes is the best system ever?

i ain't gonna derail but CONFIRM OR DENY

[woeful grove]

everyone knows the best conversation topic on a date is all the things your ex boyfriends did wrong

it's logical

[daring meteor]

What's your ideal date?

Mine is 25 of May

[cold pollen]

9/9/99

[daring meteor]

Oh man I love the Dreamcast

[cold pollen]

I'm so bad with dates it was literally the only one that came to mind that I know

[vapid moat]

IDK how downshifting or upshifting in that game works for example, not much sign of it after I press either buttons for it (L or Z)

[vapid moat]

I don't really eat dates

Don't like them

Though rest of my family does

[woeful grove]

I think my ideal date is someone who is autistically obsessed with the same thing I am autistically obsessed with and the 12 hours of nonstop talking about every tiny detail of whatever it is.

[daring meteor]

Ah, not a vore person, understandable

[rapid condor]

hey my brother is autistic and easily manipulated, wanna meet?

[woeful grove]

I like friends

[knotty zealot]

snes is the best system ever. SAY IT!

[cold pollen]

I like money

[rapid condor]

GBA is SNES+ , thus is better

[cold pollen]

I live it

[woeful grove]

I'm married though. He's just a normie, but that's probably for the best.

[rapid condor]

he would be okay with that

[daring meteor]

The PAL version

[woeful grove]

ehhh no

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-of-joy-happy-tearful-tears-of-happiness-gif-2045793645984542743

[solemn marlin]

Clayfighter 63 is another just really dreadful one, just having a bad time after renting it

[desert crow]

she might if you knock the S off

[vapid moat]

More like SNES 0.9 because that poor sound card

[woeful grove]

SNES is up there

[daring meteor]

SNES i

[rapid condor]

ohhhh I think I did play that one, ty

[rapid condor]

you know what?! good point. GBA sound was garbage most of the time.

[woeful grove]

SNES probably has the most modernly enjoyable games of any retro system

[knotty zealot]

i learned nothing from this little chat. i gained nothing. no friends nor enemies. i am at peace with myself. i'm going to watch star trek now. on oled. strange new worlds. not that old 60's shit on a tube!

[vapid moat]

Some games made great use of it under that limitation but man, yeah

SNES-ports suffer badly if not optimized

[woeful grove]

I feel like super mario wold and zelda alttp would still sell on steam today if you put them there

[rapid condor]

Yea and the added contrast for some due to the GBA OG with no backlit ....

[daring meteor]

Street Fighter 2

[inner bronze]

Rember Golden Sun OST though. 👌

[vapid moat]

GS OST SLAPS

Motoi fuckin' Sakuraba baybee

[neat sierra]

My brain has been permanently imprinted with NES music, a lot of it was really good. Not sure if that’s nostalgia or brain damage

[cold pollen]

That's what he's got you believing

You just haven't found the bodies

[inner bronze]

Can be both

[abstract slate]

I'm a big enough sucker to buy it there and I don't even use steam.

[vapid moat]

Pokemon + Drill Dozer OST slaps too, Sonic Advances 2 + 3, Most of Megaman Battle Network, Mother 3 goes hard and wild

[woeful grove]

that would make it interesting 🙂

[hasty musk]

No rumble on 8bitdo n64 modkit 😭😭 even in switch mode.

funny thing on switch n64 Emulator it works

[zinc dew]

Is there a way to swap it to X input?

[vapid moat]

IIRC it doesn't have X-Input

[hasty musk]

sorry only D and S Mode still no rumble

[desert crow]

Can someone check the Castlevanias and see if they really use TLB for much? maybe we can patch one of them until it's implemented

[worn delta]

Left field thought. If cheats were implemented, are there any cheats for the TLB games that would skip past TLB parts and make them at least partly playable?

[vapid moat]

Sounds like last resort incase TLB can't be implemented on the games that need it - IDK would it be too favored though

[worn delta]

I am more thinking in the interim, if cheats are easily to implement

May be we are at the stage now it is worth requesting N64 pack be added here so it is there if someone wants to try implement cheats
https://gamehacking.org/mister/

[topaz otter]

that is a pretty hot take because it was crucified when it came out for being really ugly, really hard, and having difficult controls

also the two extra playable characters got cut

the second castlevania game fixed a lot of issues and was a better game

[topaz otter]

I honestly believe it was developed to impress people at in store kiosk demo units

because you see mario's giant head floating there and you can interact with it, and it looks about 100 times more advanced technologically than the game its attached to

its very tech demo-esque

they honestly could have made it into its own minigame, like you could change marios hat and put glasses on him and stuff

[worn delta]

Also made it more difficult to emulate

[topaz otter]

did it really? I know it uses TLB and it can't run on the mister yet. But did early emulators have trouble with it too?

[zealous hull]

Tried to do some quick searching on and off the Discord, but couldn't find anything:

Is N64 Transfer Pak support on the roadmap for the reflex adapter? Frankly, I'm not clear if it's even possible.

[plush summit]

have you tried asking Porkshop himself on his Discord? 😛

[zealous hull]

I didn't even know that they had their own Discord.

So...no. I haven't. Haha

[orchid nimbus]

what's going on here

it seems that people are working on completing games

[zinc dew]

Not a hot take; the game was received well when it released and people liked it. You only saw the hate from fans which bubbled up in the early 2000s.

[toxic pumice]

Recently done 3 but I don't know if they're on the compatibility sheet or not

[zinc dew]

Its average ranking has it at 78%, which is better than a ton of games.

[final walrus]

that's what I'm referring to :>

[orchid nimbus]

@toxic pumice https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?pli=1#gid=0

let me know 🙂

[final walrus]

now everyone pretends to have always liked Mischief Makers

[zinc dew]

Most people who hate it never played it. It’s not great and it’s not bad. It’s a product of the time and it was pretty cool, if very basic.

[final walrus]

I was there in the trenches and got looked at like a weirdo when it was new, cause nobody wanted 2D games

[zinc dew]

Yeah never been a fan, tried playing it on the core and I still don’t like it. It’s not for me and that’s ok.

[toxic pumice]

Yeah updates haven't been made yet. 🙂

GT64, Star Wars Ep. 1 Racer, and Cruis'n Exotica USA ROMs all completeable.

[plush summit]

The aesthetics of MM lasted longer than the game itself

[orchid nimbus]

@toxic pumice I'll do that for you

[toxic pumice]

Thank you. I don't have edit access. 🙂

[final walrus]

True

[orchid nimbus]

with @toxic pumice's updates

[daring meteor]

All the red is TLB

[orchid nimbus]

and most likely some of the yellows (if not all)

I'm sure Mario 1000 year door is in there too

[daring meteor]

Mario 1000 year door is on the gamecube

[vapid hawk]

Hold start+b until it goes to xinput mode

Two leds will light up

[kind nimbus]

So that works, but weirdly in this mode my controller won't recognize L on analog stick

[vapid hawk]

go remap the whole thing from scratch its essentially a different pad in that state

[kind nimbus]

ok

[compact depot]

Perfect and Completable is too much

Playable is all we need

[orchid nimbus]

playable/completeable should be 1 stat

[vapid hawk]

idk, i think its about right as is

[odd vector]

Can‘t wait for tlb

[toxic pumice]

Perfect Dark TLB patch is a great example of a game that's playable but technically can't be completed so I agree they should be separated

[weary beacon]

I do think a fair amount of players at launch were put off by the first level, which I'd concede is maybe the weakest. It's a rough first impression

[languid dune]

Shouldn't Dark be listed under perfect?

[oblique remnant]

totally oposite for me. I didn't like it back then because it was 2D and I wanted 3D Gameplay. Now finally I finished it on the Core and I must say how ignorant I was back then. The game def. didn't get best attention and reviews were mediocre. I must say it took guts to release a game like that back then

[final walrus]

It could do with being more friendly and intuitive for sure

[toxic pumice]

Shake shake

[final walrus]

I prefer Sin & Punishment and Bangaioh from the N64 Treasure games buuuuut MM is still nice

[odd vector]

For me it was the Alien Theme that I didn‘t care about. Strangely I loved Jet Force

[mellow raft]

By the time Jet Force was a thing I was falling off my N64

[toxic pumice]

Sin and Punishment is incredible, absolutely loved it.

[mellow raft]

Moving to the PS2 if I remember correctly

[final walrus]

Bomberman 64 is also a bit underrated imo. I think it‘s usually thought of as mid tier, but imo it’s up there with the greats. Very clever level design

[toxic pumice]

Does a credit feed count as a completion by the way? S&P translation patch is completeable in the way that I have a clear time and unlocked hard mode

[mellow raft]

never realized the sequel was also Treasure.. I guess that's why it was so good

[toxic pumice]

I definitely rate Successor slightly below the original. It didn't grab me in the same way.

[mellow raft]

mmhmm

[toxic pumice]

It's also a looooong game for a rail shooter

[languid dune]

Yeah, Bomberman 64 is fantastic.

[odd vector]

I wish there was more than just one bomberman in this style. Everytime a Bomberman is announced I hope it is similar to that

[final walrus]

It’s not a 1cc but hey, I’m not here to gate keep. If you enjoyed it and you consider it beaten, why not?

[toxic pumice]

I absolutely wanna chase the 1cc. It ain't realistic any time soon though. 🙂

I'm choking on the same Sentry boss during Stage 2-2 at the moment.

[final walrus]

Oh yeah that’s quite a bit to go, then. I think I made it to the air carrier

[toxic pumice]

Yep same point, that's 2-2.

Gets reeeeeal hard in the last half.

[orchid nimbus]

made some more changes to the overview

[toxic pumice]

When he said '1 playable game by Christmas' he meant 'everything else in perfect and completeable' obviously.

[orchid nimbus]

I think he meant cautious

😄

@wanton sun there I fixed it for you 😄

to be honest if TLB turns out to be a huge pain in the behind and it can't be fully implemented look at what we can all play

[desert crow]

I thought he revised that to say 1 GB game by xmas? although he did make that happen the next day. 😄

Maybe he's not that great at telling time

[orchid nimbus]

lol

"Screenshots might be from older cores before fixes" I had to add that to the core screenshots

because some look much different and complete now

[woeful beacon]

You never do that yeah. I just pick off 2-3 at a time

[woeful beacon]

Yes it should count and I feel strongly about that lol

It's doing the necessary testing imo

Also love they game but fuck that one level that doesn't auto scroll, on the beach. Oof.

😂

[toxic pumice]

Yup that was my point really. It can technically be run through all the way. 🙂

[woeful beacon]

Exactly 💯

Also ggs!

It's not even that easy to feed

I've lost my credits many time before the end

Lotta weird bosses where if you don't know what to do, it oofs

[toxic pumice]

I absolutely love the gameplay of that stage but the animations go slightly wonky as they shift it into a side-scroller

[woeful beacon]

But I like how it gives out credits like candy

[toxic pumice]

Also balls hard

[toxic pumice]

Spider seemer. 😦

[woeful beacon]

Haha ye it's just a weird stage. Should I be running or shooting

[woeful beacon]

Stupid stupid stupid

I will get a 1CC eventually tho

Such a cool game

Unfortunately has me holding my N64 control mad funny hahaha stick + Dpad

[orchid nimbus]

@mortal panther yeah I posted a corrected version above

[daring meteor]

Alternativally: 1 Game not working

(Jet Force Gemini?)

[mortal panther]

All games working seems quite realistic at this point.

[tulip coral]

By Christmas almost feels pessimistic at the rate Robert is progressing 🤣

[daring meteor]

The question is TLB lol

[wanton sun]

hacking up something for tlb would be 3-4 days or so i would assume? But then i have to live with a bad hack. I rather spend the time to make something good when the CPU is really ready for it. My goal is to keep the CPU at full clock speed even with TLB

[toxic pumice]

Which means that seems feasible given current knowledge?

[wanton sun]

i have some ideas how it should be possible, yes

most likely the TLB will cost some extra cycles when the page table needs to be modified, but as i assume that most games will not use many entries anyway that should be fine. But that theory still needs to be proven

[mortal panther]

For the time being, I like being more or less 'forced' to spend time with the other games in the library rather than nothing but the 'heavy hitters'. I never spent this much time with my actual N64s over the last 27 years. 😄

[wanton sun]

it's 100% clear that a fully cycle accurate TLB with 32 entries is not possible on mister, but if i can make it accurate for e.g. 8 entries and games don't use more anyway, i can live with that

[toxic pumice]

That makes perfect sense. 🙂 really appreciate your work so far, it's already incredible.

[little socket]

would changing an 8 entry tlb to 32 be a 5second change or more involved?

[toxic pumice]

It's a shame that two games my wife and I want to play are 'locked' behind TLB but we've already had a ton of fun on what's playable right now.

[daring meteor]

What would we do without the FIFO write buffer

[wanton sun]

fifo write buffer comes soon

it's the next task after some more rdp stuff

this and async VI

[solemn marlin]

I'd like to recommend bomberman generations and jetters to you if you haven't played them, I feel like those two have been the closest scratching that bman 64 itch

[wanton sun]

it will be a parameter so i can experiment with it: a build with 2,4,8,16,32 entries, compare clock speed and ressource cost. Check how games react

so 5 second change

[spare meadow]

What that’s mean for the games? Some will work and some not? Or they will work with some loss, for exemple?

[broken cradle]

I live by this mantra every day

[wanton sun]

if they use more entries, they may loose 1-2% performance?

can't say for sure, but should be in that area

[toxic pumice]

Am I right in saying we're currently at a performance deficit much bigger than that with the core in its current state?

[wanton sun]

probably, yes

[hollow rune]

Really? It feels so right though?

[toxic pumice]

Given how well most of the library runs right now, that 1-2% sounds almost insignificant really. 🙂

[hollow rune]

It must be

[little socket]

so in the end 8 entries witch access penalty when more are used might still be faster for games compared to 32 entries due to hw limitations resulting in a lower cpu frequency?

[wanton sun]

keep in mind that the DDR3 is currently not limited, so memory acces and bandwidth is about 60% faster than it should be on average. Once the memory speed is cut-down, you would notice it more

[little socket]

with maybe 16 being good/fast enough for all cases

[woeful beacon]

good over speed for sure

every time

[broken cradle]

Not sure if asked before but is there no way to overclock the cpu slightly to offset the difference?

[zinc dew]

You can do it! 💪

[toxic pumice]

The whole thing with FPGA is being able to strive for accuracy though isn't it, so I completely appreciate wanting to keep things as true to original hardware as possible without relying on hacky solutions.

[wanton sun]

the original TLB has a 3 cycle penalty for swapping the page by comparing 32 entries at once. with a super ressource and clock efficient way it would be only 2 compares per cycle, leading to extra cost of 16 cycles when the page was not hit. to even reach 1% performance loss, you need to loose about 1 million clock cycles per second, so that would be about 60.000 entry changes or process switches per second. Even that seems unrealistic

so likely even the cheapest TLB trick would cost less than 1% performance in any game

but again, not tested, just theory. i need to try

[toxic pumice]

Given your current track record for progress estimations, that means TLB implemented by next week, right?

It's like reverse valve time

[wanton sun]

no, i will not start until all the other major features are in

[toxic pumice]

(I kid, if not obvious. ;))