Nintendo 64

[half venture]

yes Robby but it's grayed out :/

[dusty tusk]

I think he'd be better off with a fresh dump

[half venture]

when i try to hover over it in raymens menu

[zinc dew]

In the core menu, not game

Make sure you use the rom sets identified in the pins. General rule for everyone.

[half venture]

yeah I set the controller pak for first controller then in the raymen menu i would assume I could save at the gates when pressing pause but the save i cant hover over.

[zinc dew]

Set the controller pak and reset the game.

[half venture]

Yeah im not sure i saw a warrning or not at the start. should of checked it before playing lol

okay I guss I have too

[zinc dew]

Sorry, bud

[half venture]

Oh man I thought I could Just switch packs later and save but seems like Raymen don't mess around. Rip my progress

Thanks Robby

[zinc dew]

Yeah same happened to me, I swapped for a rumble pak

[half venture]

At least I didnt continue lol

[zinc dew]

I was going to compare against real hardware at some point to see if it’s the same issue

I have the game and my original n64 is still hooked up

[half venture]

It might be, but since other games don't have this issue might be the game itself

[zinc dew]

I hope that works for you, amigo.

[half venture]

but idk I havent test all games

worth a try if you got the time

[agile saddle]

me too and thx

[cerulean elk]

I kinda assumed you only owned Quest 64

[zinc dew]

I do, I just hallucinate different games

[half venture]

A Quest 64 User?! I NEVER

[neat sierra]

He owns 159 N64 games but they are all copies of Quest

[dusty tusk]

Generally roms with a [!] signify that you should be excited, because they'll probably work

[zinc dew]

Ohh close, over 180

[agile saddle]

Yay

Thx

[zinc dew]

Ah that’s great!

[dusty tusk]

Each Quest 64 is personalized

[fair stump]

Would somebody mind confirming whether California speed is reading the rumble pak for you or not?

[zinc dew]

LOLOL

[dusty tusk]

I just put man holding a copy of quest 64, don't know why he's making that face

[stiff condor]

Psh not even the correct label

Must be a bootleg

[dusty tusk]

Imagine receiving a bootleg of quest 64 for your birthday

[elfin depot]

Imagine receving a real copy knowing that full price could have went to Xena: Warrior Princess: The Talisman of Fate

[stiff condor]

I own both

[zinc dew]

Xena worth picking up?

[stiff condor]

Not at all

[zinc dew]

Damn, I’ve got Hercules and was thinking to get that one too

[dusty tusk]

Xena is about 160lbs so it's definately doable

[stiff condor]

Just don't get close to Kevin Sorbo

[fickle yew]

disappointed

[fair stump]

Xena is kinda funny to play. You can spam jumping attacks to be effective against the AI

That Hercules game is both kinda cool and bad. It really wants to be like zelda

[zinc dew]

I might get it, I see Xena going for $10 to $15

[elfin depot]

Second worst off the rails Reddit AMA I seen

[stiff condor]

N64 collecting is expensive

[jade bay]

it seems billinear breaks ucchan nanchan now on robert's newest core?

[terse raven]

is n64 core now at a point that it's a pretty good experience with most of the library?

[jade bay]

i just tried it and it broke when it used to not

[zinc dew]

Yeah, most definitely.

[jade bay]

also stage 4 still has some frame drops

not as bad tho i think?

[zinc dew]

Check the compatibility tracker to see what games still don’t work - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8

[fair stump]

What robby said

[terse raven]

wow, incredible progress since i last had a look at it

[zinc dew]

I say this having done zero comparisons but its my preferred way to play N64

[stiff condor]

Slightly off topic but is there a way to install MiSTer nightly builds through update all or does it need to be done manually?

[zinc dew]

I own multiple original N64 systems and over 180 games. MiSTer core basically replaced all that.

[half venture]

I think so, Vampier site has a note on it

[zinc dew]

Yeah I think there’s an unstable script out there? I do it manually.

[plush summit]

You wouldn't believe how many games my family and I lost over the years, not a big deal, at least the core exists now 😛

[stiff condor]

I'm at 245 games currently, I'm contemplating whether I should keep collecting. It's a money pit

[terse raven]

the list of completeable includes alot of the games i'd enjoy playing, really impressive

i do have a ed64 and its been a pleasure to use outside of needing to reset to save

[zinc dew]

Oh you edited it,sorry for the laugh emoji before.

[zinc dew]

If it makes you happy it makes you happy, don’t worry about us.

[plush summit]

no worries lol, kids man, we never knew the value of our things yanno

[terse raven]

it seems like the mister core probably includes improvements over a stock n64 like deblur + rgb output

[zinc dew]

Yeah, you can individually turn off the RDP VI options. It’s superior over stock n64 and mods.

Someone posted some comparisons too earlier over a modded n64 and this core via svideo and I don’t think you could tell a difference.

[terse raven]

no wonder *you look at it as the preferred way to play

[zinc dew]

I am biased though so take that into consideration

[terse raven]

are you the dev for this core? 😮

[zinc dew]

I haven’t done any detailed comparisons either

[zinc dew]

I’m a Robert but not the Robert

[plush summit]

I played a bunch of Romhacks through PJ64 and after touching this core, I wouldn't hesitate to play em again

[zinc dew]

No, I’m just a cheerleader

[terse raven]

haha

[elfin depot]

Just finished patching Doom64 to "DOOM 64: Complete Edition", some nice QOL improvments like....being able to see

[stiff condor]

It's sad that a lot of ROM hacks don't work on real hardware

[plush summit]

I wouldn't be surprised if creators went back to make the hacks MiSTer compatible at least

[zinc dew]

Yeah I agree but it’s also the nature of access a lot of the rom hack developers have. Thankfully with the Everdrive and this core I think that will slowly help increase real hardware compatibility.

[elfin depot]

Kando did that with all the fastroms, very nice of him, so great games now

[stiff condor]

I'm really excited for Kaze's hack when it releases.

[plush summit]

The N64 core is indirectly influencing the second wave of N64, I've noticed how much traction and talk sprung up in gaming circles

could be the algorithm, but people are taking notice

[stiff condor]

I hope that people start developing homebrew with the new interest

Like the portal game

[plush summit]

The decompilation projects are doing a good job at keeping development alive

Technically, the SM64/PD decomps are the firsts 😛

with the TLB hacks

The Kaze hacks are also gonna shine

[stiff condor]

Majora's Mask is at 88.8% decompilation

[teal citrus]

I wonder, when was the last time the N64 gotten this much traction?

Was it when Project 64 came out for the first time? Or Mupen64 Plus?

Was it when Nintendo introduced N64 to their Wii Virtual Console lineup back in the day?

Was it when N64 emulators started running on Raspberry Pis?

[stiff condor]

The question is traction from who, I feel the FPGA market isn't large

[teal citrus]

Popularity.

I mean, outside of a few games, no one has talked about the N64 more than ever before.

Or maybe I'm overthinking it.

[rose elbow]

things like the Super Mario pc port and OOT randomizers are big ones that come to mind in terms of, general gamers being into n64

emulators was always a pain tho for me with the general broader libary of n64

[zinc dew]

N64 NSO sparked a lot of interest again

Probably the biggest contributor honestly, our niche is very small

[rose elbow]

yeah

good example of that is the n64 core progress being really solid for months and then massive boom with the analogue 3d announcement :D

[zinc dew]

Yeah, that’s absolutely a reaction

They lurk here and there

[rose elbow]

i think for me personally like, prior to the mister core, there wasnt really much reason to talk about N64 lol

[brisk edge]

anyone had any luck inserting their gb save file for stadium so far? I dunno what the offset is for stadium 2

[rose elbow]

LOL actually. im thinking about this some more and you're right.
the n64 NSO stuff came out when i was under the impression N64 wasn't coming to MiSTer.. so i went out of my way to get an old 2nd hand N64 off ebay and an everdrive x7

i full dipped back into n64 out of spite at how bad the NSO stuff looked

[brisk edge]

the nso stuff has been really disappointing, I'm glad they've at least fixed some of the games but, what a shit show compared to other ways of playing these games

[rose elbow]

yeaah. the increase resolutions just looks wrong to me now. i know some people disagree and prefer the higher resolutions and smoothed out edges but to me it just looks really wrong

the fact there's no option or toggle to replicate chunky pixels is kinda wild to me

and thats not talking about the glaring outright visual glitches that some games had at launch like the OOT Water Temple and stuff

[teal citrus]

NERD doesn't even compare to the likes of the devs of PJ64, M64P, and Robert Peip.

[brisk edge]

yoshi's story I believe still has some visual problems. Paper Mario had that weird crash fix where the menu is purposefully lagged. All kinds of weird workarounds

[rose elbow]

maybe Switch 2 will have an OpenFPGA :)

[zinc dew]

I think it’s fine for what it is. We have much higher standards than most people which is great.

[rose elbow]

/jk jk

yeah i def think my standards have gotten higher over time.

[brisk edge]

I mostly agree, but even the general audience could notice how off ocarina looked initially. I know I have a high standard for this stuff, but of all the emulators on NSO, it's by far the worst

the GBA/GB one runs circles around it

and that is a relatively new emulator they had developed

[zinc dew]

It was great seeing them be eaten alive over the issues. I’m of the opinion that retro releases at bare minimum need to be perfect.

[rose elbow]

it's hard not to be kinda shocked tho when the Switch N64 looked worse than Wii VC N64. does being a nintendo casual user since wii make me have high standards 🤔

[teal citrus]

Yeah. I've been too spoiled by PC emulation, that I don't even want to play original consoles in SDTVs anymore.

[zinc dew]

Retro isn’t a novelty, it’s business now.

[wanton sun]

i have no idea why when the transfer pak is off, but i could reproduce. thanks for finding it!

[brisk edge]

Wii's N64 VC was certainly cherry picked but yeah they at least curated it so that things are mostly presentable. the worst you get is some lag and audio issues on intensive stuff like MM, but it was still leagues better than that bonus disc they released for gamecube

[elfin depot]

It's also the ~ 30 year nostalgia pendulum, that's usually the time something starts to become nostalgic to the people that have them or remember them fondly.

[wanton sun]

sure, it was just a joke. PSX got 1 Mbyte of vram, while N64 has 8Mbyte available for vram potentially PLUS another megabyte from the 9th bit 🙂 (with exp pack)

[quick arch]

For information, The first screen of the game is for tpak detection

[oblique crow]

Kid you not, just had a dream TLB unstable dropped, was vivid too - even had in bold (Expect crashes)

wake up - check test builds, the wave of sadness was palpable

[mossy needle]

Speed is so much better in the core. Beating Krool in DK64 is now much less if a guessing game

[mossy needle]

Womp womp

[latent galleon]

nintendo 72

[vapid moat]

Any success yet on this? Been trying to append a save via hex editing too but no dice

[supple musk]

this is a ridiculous question but:

if I purchase an n64 microphone for hey you pikachu, and plug it into my SNAX, would it Just Werk?

[worldly quartz]

it should

assuming SNAX can be assigned to port 4

you'll most likely have to get the SNAX64, the 4 port version

[odd vector]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-time-crowbar-half-life-gif-15650818

[lament escarp]

I wonder how hard it would be to make this work with regular microphones.

[worldly quartz]

issue is if there's space

robert would have to code the logic of the VRU itself and there are 2 versions of it (afaik Japan and US)

and it's not known if there's enough space for it

[supple musk]

[lament escarp]

So it's something for the very end or a variation that misses other things

[worldly quartz]

depends on robert

he did make the transfer pak thing recently

which I thought wasn't going to happen

[supple musk]

how do I do this?

[daring meteor]

To be fair Robert had interest in transfer pak

[worldly quartz]

Don't have snax (Ordered the 4 expensive cables) yet. So haven't looked it up. VRU uses port 4 and current SNAX only has 2 ports

[lament escarp]

He said from the beginning stadium with transfer pack were very important to him and a few days ago that there isn't too much different between snax transfer and emulated. On the other hand, screaming at pikachu is nobody's idea of a great afternoon.

[worldly quartz]

Yeah only 1 us game would benefit

and like 3 japanese games

So weird that the official nintendo emulation doesn't support transfer pack

[lament escarp]

Or controller pack

[ebon oyster]

Tired of the RetroBit NSO64 controller's over-sensitive finicky D-pad ruining your games of Dr. Mario and Puyo Puyo by it sometimes thinking you're pressing D+R or D+L when you're really just pushing D? Just carefully apply little pieces of clear mailing tape so they cover the outer 30% or so of each contact surface. Problem solved!

Also -- the RetroBit wireless NSO64 controllers do have rumble motors inside (see above pic), but I haven't been able to get rumble to work. Is a special Linux build still required to pick up some necessary driver for these wireless controllers?

[worldly quartz]

Wait, controller pack isn't supported?

[lament escarp]

Not as far as I know, somebody correct me if I'm wrong

[winter oxide]

I'm interested in making an SNAC cable but (again) I don't know the USB3 pinout to solder the wires to the N64 controller plug. I just can't understand all that code. I usually make my pinout reference looking at the adapter board (yes, following their tracks by eye), but I'm sure there is a better way to do that. Any help? blue1? Please

[worldly quartz]

I mean, easiest would just get a usb 3 breakout board and then solder the adapter as needed

assuming at most you only need to add resistors/caps

Maybe I should have done that route instead of buying the SNAC adapter for n64, but are there any open source snax yet

blue does not have a github for the n64 snac yet, so probably would have to wait

[dreamy kayak]

snac? SNAC!? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC!???!!?

[chrome quest]

No success getting Gameboy saves out of the N64 save, no.
@wanton sun Sorry if you've already had this question. I seem not the only person struggling to get the Gameboy save section in/out of the N64 save.
Had you tried that yourself? I was comparing the difference in save files from a new Yellow (MBC5) save in HxD. Certainly not the same #1096015979055697940 message
I tried the same with Rote and German Stadium 1.
Is this expected?
According to Pokémon save editors, the split 32KB section from the core save could be recognised as a Gen1 Pokémon save, but was incompatible looking as if a ROM hack would

[weary palm]

Mine is turned on for weeks on end as well.

[rose elbow]

i pick up a controller the other day and accidentally pressed a button and had the Doom 64 menu blast out a gun fire sound. speaker and mister were still on and didn't realize, was funny

[hasty musk]

Hybrid Heaven finished with only one Bug:

Music every 2-3 Seconds Stutter.

Rest is very fine.
@wanton sun

[oblique remnant]

The robot explosion bug seems fixed now but I didnt have sound stutter after my completion run 2 weeks ago. (Lowres). Hires mode looks much better now too

[hasty musk]

@oblique remnant

its only in music and its more a creak a fine one.

Robot Explosion is fixed.

What do you mean high res looks better? more fps or visual

[oblique remnant]

All 480i games look better now visually. Not sure if the fps counter is still broken. Displayed 60fps but was around 15-30fps I guess (not stable)

[hasty musk]

on original n64 hardware it was also slow the high res mode.

[oblique remnant]

It still feels more than 15fps now on the mister to me but could be wrong

[weary beacon]

What do you wish this week?
VI (async)
RDP (LOD, YUV, fixes)
CPU (TLB, writefifo, cache, load stall)
RSP (dual pipeline)

[quaint pewter]

Shiren 2 saving. Lol

[daring meteor]

I'm for CPU bug fixes

[north lagoon]

I'm for CPU too : CPU (TLB, writefifo, cache, load stall)

[remote harness]

Bangai-O level 2 🙏

[versed cairn]

It would be cool to get those cpu features cause it’s gonna get us even more performance over a real n64

[vapid moat]

Hopefully working save import for Transfer Pak next

[bronze tree]

Besides Star Wars Racer and StarCraft, what other games are there that are using interlaced video?

random question 🙂

[little socket]

I would assume all highres rampak games?

[bronze tree]

RE2?

[bronze tree]

thanks, I found a bunch

[rose elbow]

curious what's holding that back, is it TLB ?

it's always TLB. i bet it's TLB.

[chrome quest]

Anyone know the file format of the N64 .sav file. Big/little endian, etc.

[daring meteor]

Do you have a full core save?

From Pokémon?

I can try and check it for you

Non split

[lament escarp]

Any news on stadium/gameboy saves? Also, doesn't the combined savedata "marry" your stadium save to a certain version?

[daring meteor]

Someone gimme a combined savedata

[lament escarp]

I thought as a workaround you could just copy stadium 2 times and name them stadium blue, stadium red ect. Should make it 3 different save data, but still only 1 version per stadium.

[daring meteor]

There will be a script or something in main

Gimme a combined savedata to test tho

[lament escarp]

At work, can't access mister.

[daring meteor]

Alright

[vapid moat]

Hmmm, I could share maybe

US-version right?

[daring meteor]

Doesn't matter

[weary palm]

How much extra?

[daring meteor]

Very weird

I can't find the save here

[weary palm]

It's counting VI updates really, not FPS. I think you need to divide by 2 when talking about interlaced content.

[chrome quest]

I have a full Stadium 2 save history here. One sec

[chrome quest]

Starting with Pokémon Stadium 2 (Europe) (the english version).

• Save file before TPAK added (128KB)
• Save file with TPAK, loaded with English Pokémon Yellow (reported as MBC5). Got in game, loaded the GB Tower, made a New Game in Yellow, Trainer name "A" saved immediately

Contrasting the save with that of Pokémon Yellow as from the Gameboy core.
Yellow save files are 32KB.

• splitfromCore SAV - Taken from the 128KB second half of the new N64 save file, trimmed the first 32KB off (rest is all zeros in HxD)
• GBfromGBCore SAV - GB core, same idea. New game, Trainer name A, got in and saved as fast as possible.
  They are pretty different looking

[vapid moat]

Huh - pretty sure I had Pokemon Red-save here

[daring meteor]

Its really weird

[vapid moat]

But Mark_Eire has better resources, good~

[daring meteor]

Its byte swapped

8B 81 00 30 86 50 84 94 50 98 91 80

30 00 81 8B 94 84 50 86 80 91 98 50

Each group of 4 bytes is saved in the wrong order

And I think empty spaces are initialized to 00 instead of FF

Not byteswapped, sorry, big endian

[chrome quest]

👀 Now the question to test, how would one convert the "splitfromCore" save. Any good software to byte swap back? Or if you can test with that file, I can quickly check if GB Pokémon can understand what it is

The empty spaces might well not be an issue. I feel I've seen cartridge saves do both, but that could be different game versions and such

[wanton sun]

can take a look later. should be kb 128+32 and endian swapped 4 bytes each

but it was a quick hack, the save format might change later

[chrome quest]

It is amazing! Thank you so much it works at all! I'm sure if it is this format, some converter will be made to accomodate. I was naively trying regular save format, now to try and work out how to byte swap

[daring meteor]

hexdump -v -e '1/4 "%08x"' -e '"\n"' yellow_newgame_splitfromCore.sav | xxd -r -p > yellow_newgame_splitfromCore2.sav

Try this

[chrome quest]

It works! I guess that is some Linux command or some such?

[daring meteor]

As long as saves are merged I don't see any point to fixing endianess

Yes, linux command

Not sure if works on mister

[chrome quest]

It works on PC emulation. Just about to eat, but will check after if I can on MiSTer

[daring meteor]

As in, not sure if the command works haha

[chrome quest]

I'll do it the old fashioned way. In windows, with some creative copy/paste

[daring meteor]

It works on wsl

[zinc dew]

For Robert to take a break. We are far too spoiled with all the amazing progress he’s done in such a short amount of time.

[neat sierra]

Greedy little piggies!

[chrome quest]

wsl?

Oh, a Linux thing of the command I guess. Sorry, I thought you were testing on some Gameboy playing device. Don't mind me

[lament escarp]

For robby to take over and lifestream superman 64 for charity.

[crisp monolith]

The output on a CRT is quite ‘jumpy’ at the moment. Image is fine but it’s constantly bouncing. Is that normal at the moment? Any settings I need to adjust?

[daring meteor]

You could try Mike's build

[native mesa]

Yeah interlaced modes aren't looking good yet

[crisp monolith]

Link?

[zinc dew]

It’s in the pins, last one down.

#1096015979055697940 message

[crisp monolith]

Thanks!

[native mesa]

Pokemon Stadium 2

[zinc dew]

My pleasure! I hope that works for you, friend.

@modern sleet does an incredible job and we’re very fortunate for his contributions.

[crisp monolith]

Nope, still jumpy

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun @daring meteor Thank you so much for the information on the save file format. Can confirm it reads regular GB saves just fine.
Childhood Yellow Surfing Pikachu has entered the MiSTer realm.
He's beaten Stadium before, time to do it again! Amazing to see this working. Thank you both!

[zinc dew]

Unfortunately then you’ll probably have to wait until the core is complete. CRT isn’t currently supported and may have lots of issues.

[native mesa]

Handling the save on a per gb game would probably be more ideal especially for those that want to do multiple gb games

[zinc dew]

Man what, can’t you just use the game boy core.

[crisp monolith]

Yeah I figured that might be it. Although I'm sure a few weeks ago when I tested it there was no image stability issues.

[zinc dew]

Sorry, friend. I know it sucks but it’ll all be ironed out. Since CRTs aren’t a priority now there might be regressions unfortunately.

Maybe someone else here ran into your issue and can help.

[brisk drum]

Pure agony

[novel junco]

Played Jeopardy last weekend on the core and it ran great! Can probably mark it as completable, did a full round with my SO without any problems 👍👍

[fair stump]

Haven't you heard? This is now the one core to rule them all. N64 + GB + SNES + PS1 + NEO GEO all in one place

[native mesa]

Have you played stadium? Save handling is for more than just playing the gb game

[toxic pumice]

I'm rather confused on the whole situation with save mapping etc. Is it just R/B/Y that are supported within Pokemon Stadium now? I saw someone mention that Gold does boot, but does the save and transfer not work as a result?

I'd like to start playing from scratch and bring my pokemon into Pokemon Stadium 2, just wanted to confirm which ones do and don't work and where the current issues are. 🙂

[native mesa]

This is probably the prime use case that would be quite messy given the current configuration

For moving pokemone in and out of stadium 2 storage and between games

Prizes too items and such

[prisma ivy]

the graphics for this game have aged terribly. I'd rather play Jeopardy on DOS from the 80s

[elfin depot]

If this is the right Mic, I can try it tonight if you remind me:

[zinc dew]

When playing the pokemon games in stadium, do your saves get saved in the GameBoy folder?

Like can you make progress on the game in the N64 core, then pick it back up on the GameBoy core?

[native mesa]

No they are appended to the N64 save is my understanding

[chrome quest]

If your playing the games from within Stadium 1/2, no issues starting from scratch in the GB Tower and playing from there.
It is all under development, Robert noted the save file format might change for example, but you can only try and see.
I don't think many people have reported playing for a significant duration via Stadium, @lament escarp had a lvl7 Bulbasaur ❤️
As to what "likely" works, Robert stated the MBC5 support, so for English language games that would be (according to this site: https://gbhwdb.gekkio.fi/cartridges/mbc5.html)

• Yellow
  All the others are MBC3. Though Robert didn't state they would work, they might? Gotta just try and hope for now, or wait for more updates

[native mesa]

Robert did say it's just a hack for now but I think the final implementation should be individual files on a per gb game basis

I guess the compromise would be if you had 2 separate pokemon reds or something

You could always copy the ROM and name it red 1 and red 2 I guess

[chrome quest]

One problem with that prime use case, at least in Gen 2, you need like 150 (maybe 100?) caught Pokémon before you can withdraw a Pokémon with a different ID

There is a trade feature in the game that would require 2 Transfer Paks working, but otherwise (even if awkward) you could get by with just 1 Transfer PAK certainly

[toxic pumice]

Thank you. Yellow it is. 🙂

[chrome quest]

And if it is to simulate the real world potential, of course could be (RED - NONE - RED - BLUE), etc. Any combination, different saves, different games

[daring meteor]

Supposedly the others work too, and robert himself tested Blue

[toxic pumice]

Based on that list, only the German cartridge supports that mapper, so that would make sense for him. 🙂

[daring meteor]

Heh

[zinc dew]

SNAC transfer Pak works flawlessly

[brisk drum]

Best version of jeopardy is on the sega cd

[zinc dew]

maybe y’all need to step your game up and use a real transfer pak with a real cart like a big boy

[native mesa]

Lol I thought the snac adapters were for exclusive cool kids

[zinc dew]

they are! Only the coolest

[worldly quartz]

any news when snax64 will be out?

[prisma ivy]

I actually like the NES versions the best

[worldly quartz]

I'm assuming soon since they sell cables already and mention snax64

[chrome quest]

Hey I got the stuff! Raphnet just ain't gonna cut it 🤣

[topaz otter]

Ura Mario 64

[desert crow]

the VRU uses a few special commands 9-D that I don't think the core is doing anything special for so I don't think it will work. You can read a little about it here https://n64brew.dev/wiki/Joybus_Protocol

[worldly quartz]

i wonder if the japanese vru can be forced to work with us pikachu since game hangs on a real n64

[worn delta]

Ah, I was wondering about SNAC VRU. Do you think that is something that could be supported in the core so it works over SNAC?

[brisk drum]

You are daft!

Daft I say!

[prisma ivy]

lol no I liked it better with the question mark 😄

[desert crow]

Yeah I think it could work just have to add support, but I think it's pretty low priority since there's only like 2 games that work with it.

[weary palm]

You can sell/give your RN adapter to me ^^

[novel junco]

But it has whole video segments feature Alex Trebec!

[chrome quest]

After checking cost of SNAX, N64, delivery and customs (dang customs), then I think not!
Seriously, Raphnet is the perfect solution for me at least personally.
The only downside is the microphone accesory I guess (or the mouse....)

Rumble PAK works perfect. Now, CPAK and Transfer PAK emulated looking good, and the Raphnet adapter can digitise those (read + write) using a PC with the Physical Paks. Takes an extra step or two sure, but so long as your not going MiSTer to GB carts/CPAK often, works perfect!

[weary palm]

Damn 😉

[oblique remnant]

Would be great via raphnet

[jade bay]

posting to say the visual glitches that were happening with kirby 64 are corrected now

was still playable but now it looks faithful

it'd be cool if anyone else here could test ucchan nanchan denryuu iraira bou on a crt and see if the bilinear filter is messing up the picture for them

[worn delta]

Yeah, it's definitely way down the list of features. Mentally the things at the real bottom of the barrel, which I'm not really expecting many of:

Cheats
VRU SNAC support
RTC for Animal Crossing
RTC for DD carts
RTC for GB Pokémon
Mouse for DD Carts
Keyboard for... well nothing much at all really I don't think

[chrome quest]

Did some further Pokémon testing (in Stadium 2):

• Blue (English) seems to work just fine. First ever Pokémon save now backed up!
• Red (English) also working

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah, something about the command, it converts saves back and forth

[chrome quest]

• Gold (English) crashes in GB Tower just after the intro section with the trees below. With the attached error screen.
  Maybe due to RTC?
  However.... It will let you check out Pokémon just fine. Anyone looking to beat Stadium 2, importing a GB team does work!!

[weary palm]

Maybe we can port this Raphnet N64 library to MiSTer. https://github.com/raphnet/gcn64tools/blob/433751b90e865642b648862b623c3cc897f96e0d/src/gui_xferpak.c#L110

[simple olive]

G_MODULE_EXPORT void gui_xferpak_readrom(GtkWidget *win, gpointer data)

[weary palm]

I will give it a try if I ever buy an adapter.

[worn delta]

Is there any homebrew that utilises the N64 Keyboard, or is it just the Raphnet adaptor?

[weary palm]

Don't they cost like $750 – $1500 ?

[worn delta]

The keyboards?

Yeah they are crazy expensive these days, but if homebrew existed that used them then (presumably) people would be able to play them in emulators using a regular keyboard

The keyboard protocols are out there now, I don't know what software emulators support it though

[elfin depot]

Good read thanks. I've never used it, just found at a thrift store. Love me some weird peripherals.

[zinc dew]

There was an N64 keyboard? Lol

[worn delta]

If the core ever does support it then US one will only work with US version of Hey You Pikachu! and the translation patch version of Denshe De Go! Although you may need to speak in a squeaky voice for it to recognise you, as it was set to recognise children;s voices, not adults

[thorn flax]

Hypothetically this would also work with a modded Animal Forest

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I remember playing the game as a kid and that’s what I had to do

[desert crow]

Dolch you can try it and see what it does, and see if it's recognized

not sure if there's some test rom

[zinc dew]

ohhhhh me and Dolch are SNAX + N64 accessory buddies

Except he’s cooler because he has a SNAX64 prototype

[thorn flax]

that's my wildest n64 dream, patched and upgraded n64 doubutsu no mori. English with keyboard imput

[weary perch]

some pretty cool info on the VRU and keyboard protocols here:
https://sites.google.com/site/consoleprotocols/home/nintendo-joy-bus-documentation/n64-specific/voice-recognition-unit
https://sites.google.com/site/consoleprotocols/home/nintendo-joy-bus-documentation/n64-specific/randnet-keyboard

[worn delta]

Yeah, it was for the Rafnet adaptor for the 64DD that let you go online, but the service is long defunct, so if native 64DD support were ever added one day then you could load up the browser, use a keyboard to type in a url, and then watch the page not load. 🙂 I don't know if any homebrew use it which I am curious about. It may be a chicken and egg thing: emulators don't support it for there are no hacks/homebrew made to utilise it, and no games are made to support it because no emulator does

[zinc dew]

I appreciate the explanation!

Thank youuuu

[weary perch]

been looking but i hadn't found any homebrew that seems to advertise it yet

seems like such a rare/niche peripheral that there may not be any

[worn delta]

Have the main N64 software emulators added keyboard and mouse support?

[weary perch]

i did find this, where someone hooked up an arduino + pc to an N64 and got keyboard and mouse working on hardware, but they aren't using the actual N64 kb+m protocols, just mimicking a regular pad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYolx_Cl24

someone earlier posted a table showing peripheral support on the major emulators

[worn delta]

Oh I must have missed that

[weary perch]

from https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Nintendo_64_emulators

keyboard is so niche it isn't even listed 🙂

[worn delta]

Hah, Keyboard didn't even make it on the table

Funny nothing supports the Denshe De Go controller

[weary perch]

so, based on what i've seen, there are 0 retail games that support the keyboard and likely 0 homebrew games either 🙂 🙂

just the Randnet software

[worn delta]

Seems so right now

So Keyboard support is right at the bottom of the barrel, and only if native DD support is added and there's extra room to play with and someone is bored. So maybe on a future board.

I do wonder now that the protocols are documented how hard it would be to add to various emulators. It is one of these things where maybe if they supported it then someone might make something that uses it.

I guess someone could add MiSTer to the N64 emulator table there, we support quite a few things already 🙂

Could add Keyboard as well with a row of question marks

[elfin depot]

Its such a nice bit of kit, just plug it in and everything works. Podracer with Rumblepack is just like I remember.

[solemn marlin]

I'd like the n64 keyboard if it could be used as a pc keyboard, perfect curiosity item

But I do guess snac compatability would mean keyboard controls with less latency? If you remap in the core?

[odd vector]

any new build coming today?

[solemn marlin]

Or is remapping snac controllers strictly verboten, I have no idea about that stuff

[elfin depot]

You don't remap SNAX or SNAC stuff, it's just as if the original controller is plugged into the original hardware

that's why it can't be used in the MiSTer menu

[solemn marlin]

Then the keyboard would do literally nothing

For that authentic n64 experience, only for real n64 fans

One might even say that the core has full n64 keyboard support already

[zenith orchid]

N64 had a keyboard?

[mortal panther]

I think they're imagining it.

[worn delta]

#1096015979055697940 message

[marble cargo]

They made a mouse and keyboard for the Nintendo 64 DD. So if you've never heard about it, that's why.

[solemn marlin]

Yea for that modem cartridge iirc, for randnet usage

[zenith orchid]

I only knew about the mouse

[solemn marlin]

Those were the days, using my mouse and keyboard on the n64 in my grandparent's house, hopefully the core can bring those memories back to life

[mortal panther]

Interesting

[solemn marlin]

This view was enjoyed by exactly 3000 japanese people in the 90s

[weary perch]

those a/b/c buttons on the top photo were apparently stickers that came with the keyboard

can't find a photo of them, though

i guess that implies you could do some kind of remapping to use the keyboard as a pad? not sure...

[mortal panther]

Sticker sheet. Yep. 😄

[weary perch]

there they are

so yeah, some kind of remap possibility

[solemn marlin]

1000$, you know it's a good keyboard

I assume no other software would even recognize the input, or maybe not?

[thorn flax]

all the best 5th gen consoles had keyboards

[toxic pumice]

Thank you for this. 🙂

[worn delta]

PSX had a prototype keyboard and a browser, but as yet nobody has got the protocols and what is needed to emulate it

[weary perch]

ok, based on the manual the stickers were just in case you wanted to easily see the keyboard shortcuts, i don't think it allowed any real remapping

running the manual thru google translate, so might be missing stuff

[wanton sun]

I'm aware that the save situation with the emulated transfer pak is not ideal, but to be honest: that was no goal at all. The difficult work was to get the internal logic working and that seems to be ok for MBC5 games with the correct size(RBY). Everything beyond that is improving the user experience and can happen any time in the future, doesn't even have to be me. I will focus on inner core work again the next days

I would hope most of you are ok with me improving the n64 core itself, instead of finding the best gb save solution 🙂

[daring meteor]

As long as people figured out how to convert it its no big problem

[solemn marlin]

I never had a transferpack, I'm glad if other people enjoy it tho

[wanton sun]

i think it was proven now that it can be converted with some quick (but not easy) methods, so i hope it's acceptable for now until a more user friendly handling is done some day

my original plan was to have n64 support code in mister main detect that a transfer pak savegame is about to be written to sdcard and remembered what gb game was loaded last, then split the savegame itself and create a .sav for it on sdcard

[daring meteor]

I think it can be done

Maybe I will try

[wanton sun]

this would make the cost in the core zero and the handling for the user should be as expected

but it might be difficult, i'm no expert for mister main code

[storm vessel]

Too much lag?

[wanton sun]

@quick arch this should fix choro q 2

please test. If it works ok, i will use the change in the next build

reason was: the game is requesting the transfer pak even if the controller reports that is has no pak, so the pif hang up forever

[chrome quest]

More than acceptable, it is amazing stuff! Thank you, conversion is not bad at all once you know how.

[chrome quest]

No lag issues at all. I was just responding off hand to Robby. Raphnet working great

[zinc dew]

Yes 200%, you adding it at all was an unexpected bonus and we sincerely appreciate whatever incarnation it’s in.

@wanton sun it got me thinking about starting to put together a readme for the core so we can shoulder that burden so you can focus on the important stuff

[lament escarp]

I think the save situation is acceptable, most people were just really excited about this awesome addition and wanted to be sure the issues are heart and on your radar. As always, you are the very best, like no one ever was Robert. ❤️

[weary palm]

He will travel across the land, coding every core. To make them is his real test, to play them is our cause.

Sorry/not sorry

[random portal]

something about the lack of AA makes me nostalgic for when I had to play games at 640x480 with the lowest possible settings.

[lament escarp]

I remember playing oblivion in the smallest window in the lowest resolution. I was so happy.

[chilly ember]

I only have a pokenon silver cart and no snac adapter so the save being the way it is now for the virtual cart works for me. Started a fresh save on Pokemon red yesterday and played until I got poke flute

[thorn flax]

got my original silver and crystal cartridges, my transfer pack and a controller. just need a basic ass n64 snac dongle

[lament escarp]

Dang you're fast.

Btw is there a hack or a cheat to make stadium load any gb game? Maybe some romhacks like pokemon green could work that way.

[zenith orchid]

okay that randnet thing is quite fascinating

I would be surprised if the modem functionality can be restored in anyway

[chilly ember]

Used the glitch to get mew on nugget bridge so got through a little faster

[zenith orchid]

But I don't doubt something can be done, like with the super famicom BS

[chilly ember]

There's that hack for Pokemon stadium 2 but I don't know if that would allow you to trade Pokemon with stadium if you're using a rom hack

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4506/

[carmine kettle]

that to play any gameboy/color games using transfer pak

[chilly ember]

Yea I know I'm just mentioning it because that's the only thing I know that might actually detect a rom hack

[weary perch]

@wanton sun choro q 2 working again in that build

[lament escarp]

I think as long as the hacks are just basically hex edits most romhacks should still work for stadium, as long as stadium isn't refusing them outright for not being nintendo

[weary perch]

the handling in choro q 2 is nicely improved over the first game. less stiff, more smooth

[quick arch]

Yes confirmed Choro Q 2 64 starts again thank you !

the Game Choroq Hyper Customable GBC doesn't seem to be recognized with the transfert pak

[weary perch]

looks like that game is MBC5

but i think it's a different size than pokemon

pokemon is 1024 KiB, choroq hyper customizable is 2048 KiB, looks like?

that might be why it doesn't work yet

[quick arch]

Maybe I need to check again if I set it correctly

[weary perch]

@worn delta https://catskull.net/gb-rom-database/

lists mappers for every GB game i could think of

[languid dune]

I'm an ungreatful swine and proud of it!

[weary perch]

can probably complete your spreadsheet with that

[quick arch]

After a new test it says "found !" I think it means it is OK
If I didn't put a rom it says GBPACK ERROR

the error I have previously

[worn delta]

Great find! I think we can fill out the sheet from this, also looks like a few are MBC5 (that is the supported one right?)

[weary perch]

i think so

the pokemon red german version robert was using is MBC5... i think

[native mesa]

I'm glad the mainstream is getting on the Robert is a wizard train. Hopefully that MVG video got an influx of patrons for him

[worn delta]

On my phone right now, so navigating lists is tricky

[broken cradle]

Thus reminds me of an episode of big bang theory when Sheldon and Leonard are in penny's apartment while she's asleep and they have to speak in a deep voice because women are sensitive to high pitch sounds for maternal reasons

[worn delta]

Hah

[native mesa]

Does anyone have an idea for a good N64 game or romhack that I can kiosk for a Halloween party?

I was thinking kaze only up but that's not working yet

[worn delta]

OK, I think Denshe De Go transfer Pak should work to unlock all the tracks on the ROM hack if any budding Japanese train drivers want to test it

When we have Perfect Dark, Mario Golf and Mario Tennis working then those GB games have MBC5 mappers too

I think we may get lucky with a lot of the games being MBC5

[grand turret]

Fzero

[neat sierra]

Peipémon

[worn delta]

Ah, guess we won't have Castlevanias in time for Halloween

[quick arch]

For Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 (JP versions) I still that issue when I tried to load a pokemon Red version with choro version of N64 core

[quaint pewter]

I assume this is a joke, but Facebook, amiright?

I'm not good at sarcasm sometimes.

[worn delta]

Do the original Japanese carts have the MBC5 mapper?

[latent galleon]

that whole video was an ad for mister and n64 core, i am not complaining

[manic basin]

He's Australian. So he "got a chub on"...c'mon Adrian....

[weary perch]

MBC1 looks like

red/green/blue

[worn delta]

Ah, that would be why

[quick arch]

Pokemon Red works on Pokemon Stadium Kin Gin (=Pokemon Stadium 2 US version)

[native mesa]

Yeah and he encouraged Patreon support so if it gets money in his pocket it's good. Free publicity and MVG has the numbers

[kind solar]

can someone explain the new controller options? n64pad? i had just set to rumble or cpak before

[worn delta]

I guess some budding developer could fork the core and add in some other GB mappers and see if they can get the other Pokémon carts to work - and if there is space maybe one day they get merged in

[native mesa]

I often wonder if some 'content creators' just lurk here

[weary perch]

@worn delta i've updated your sheet with mapper info

[native mesa]

Or are they among us

[quaint pewter]

Usually over 300 people online at any given time, so it's possible 🙂

[worn delta]

Many thanks!

[weary perch]

looks like the full list of potential mappers needed is

• MBC1
• MBC1B
• MBC3A
• MBC3B
• MBC5
• HuC-1
• HuC-3

[daring meteor]

I think MBC1 is irrelevant

[worn delta]

I will add in Densha De Go later as it was missed (I think only the English hack works with GB cart?)

[daring meteor]

Why is HuC-1 needed?

[quaint pewter]

That sounds like PC Engine with it's Hu Cards..

[weary perch]

super b-daman seems to have had a release for HuC-1 as well as MBC1

according to that database, at least

there are two entries, one with each mapper listed

[daring meteor]

Than HuC-1 is irrelevant as well

Just MBC3 for Pokémon

And Huc-3 for Robot Poncots

[worn delta]

I wonder how much space adding extra mappers would take

[weary perch]

the ones listed for MBC1 are pocket monsters red/green/blue and Pocket Puyo Puyo Sun is listed as MBC1B

[daring meteor]

MBC5 is compatible with mbc1 afaik

[weary perch]

if that's the case then yeah it should only need MBC3 and HuC-3

for full compatibility

[daring meteor]

If the core gets HuC-3 compatibility its officially done haha

[native mesa]

Hudson Chip?

[worn delta]

So with MBC5 support MBC1 should work already? Is anyone able to verify that?

[weary perch]

https://tcrf.net/The_New_Tetris one of the most entertaining tcrf pages for an N64 game

both the rant and the crash handler thing are really great

random ascii pot leaf ❤️

[zinc dew]

Need to re-up my Switch online and this core makes it sting even more that I pay for a family plan with the expansion pack.

Which is $80 USD

[native mesa]

Oof. I'm on some randoms family plan and I don't even touch my switch

Maybe Mario kart once on a blue moon

I will play SMRPG thougj

[tidal zenith]

I wish I had a family 😦

[native mesa]

What are you waiting for?

[tidal zenith]

jk, before Robby voice chats me to ask how I am doing. I have a great family, just no NSO Family plan

[zenith orchid]

I'm hoping it's a joke. I don't think VGE and PCN can be compared to MVG. They both do a service for those who don't really care to follow the discord, they're relatively fast at posting videos, but often at a cost in production value.

though they've gotten better with the help of other community members

[elfin depot]

Follow, like and Subscribe to em all! They all deliver great content in different ways to different audiences. VGE and PCN's "how to setup X on your Y" videos are invaluable to newcomers and sometimes seasoned users. I've referenced VGE's video from your MiSTer video several times when switching setups. And PCN's Analogue core setup guide was great, as well as his Minimig on Mister video (I think that was his).

[latent galleon]

i love the fluffy advertisement from MVG, 100%

[topaz otter]

So wait the transfer pak works now?

What the heck

[toxic pumice]

lol yep

[zenith orchid]

It's not that user friendly yet, but as a proof of concept it's still an achievement

[topaz otter]

Roberts a wunderkind

[brisk edge]

I can also confirm green works on Stadium 2/ Kin Gin, but yeah as of yesterday it was broken in the other Japanese versions. Also Pokemon Stadium "0" 's title screen doesn't display correctly

[topaz otter]

Cool that means I could unlock perfect dark cheats without beating those ridiculous times

[native mesa]

I don't think yet. Not all gb mappers are implemented. just MMC5?

[weary perch]

MBC5

MMC5 is NES

[uncut gyro]

Mambo Number 5

[native mesa]

Manbo's Mambo

[thorn flax]

[chrome quest]

For the English language Stadium 1/2 completionists in here, every game RBYGSC, will work to import Pokémon teams. Not all GB Tower work, but getting through the N64 game waaaaaayyy easier.
Just append the 128KB Stadium save with 32KB of endian-ness swapped Gameboy save, plus 96KB of "00"s.

[worn delta]

Perfect Dark GB mapper is MBC5 according to that site, so hopefully will work, can it be tested with a patched version by someone?

[wanton sun]

currently MBC5 works, but only if the game is 1mbyte and savefile is 32kbyte. I don't analyze the header yet

[wanton sun]

MBC1 is slightly different to MBC5 in that is cannot use bank0 i think, but shuld be easy to add if required

MBC3 is slightly more work

i will do the other MBC and rom/ram size detection in some weeks or so when i need to get some distraction from the other parts 😅

[zenith orchid]

You're really having fun with this aren't you? 😄

[wanton sun]

most fun core to develop for me so far, yes 🙂

it may sound strange, but i like that currently nearly all components still have open tasks. I can just pick whatever i want each day and nearly always can reach something new and it's always fun.

with PSX i completed most components one by one and then had to see the same thing for 2 months nonstop or so

[manic basin]

With a completely fresh PD N64 save and transfer pak I get all the cheats. Which, I believe, is the behavior right?

[zenith orchid]

Sounds like you've found the most optimal approach to balance fun and production 👍

assuming fun directly correlates with production. you were obviously quite productive with your other cores

[weary perch]

all the cheats? it should only unlock a few

i just tried it and it seems to work

Hurricane Fists, Cloaking Device, R-Tracker, All Guns in Solo

should be unlocked

i didn't have any unlocked before but i do have those unlocked now, so it does appear to work correctly

[manic basin]

Sorry, mistyped. Yes... all the cheats it is supposed to.

Rather.

[weary perch]

cool, PD seems to work perfectly then

[manic basin]

There's supposedly a bug that prevents the game from being completable in the patch. I think @chilly ember mentioned it earlier.

But it's very very very close.

[weary perch]

heh, i mistyped this time - i should have added "for transfer pak support" lol

[chilly ember]

Yea in the carington institute level, the skedar don't plant the bomb in the patched version. Its an issue with the patch. Same thing on real hardware

[weary perch]

tpak support in PD seems to be done and dusted

[manic basin]

Yep yep

GBC Perfect Dark is.... not bad. I wasn't expecting it to be what it was.

I had a good time with the few missions I did.

[weary perch]

mickey's speedway USA might be a touch tricky to test? supposedly, you need a save file with at least a single cup completed before you can unlock Huey in the N64 game

gonna try it and see what happens

[vapid hawk]

isn't it quite similar to the GBC metal gear ?

[manic basin]

I've never played GBC MG, but I can say that is immediately the vibe I got. I'll try it out.

[weary perch]

myth busted

no save file is needed for MSUSA GBC

it already works perfectly on the core

just insert MSUSA GBC, switch pad 1 to TPAK, then insert MSUSA N64 - huey unlocked

that busts a very longstanding myth lol

[manic basin]

Handy!

[solemn marlin]

I got Huey in that, works great *nvm you already did it

[desert crow]

It's neat to see these things explored as things get added

[weary perch]

people have said that MSUSA needs 1/3 cups completed on the save for the last 20+ years

[daring meteor]

Alright, so I'm thinking on how to implement the save splitting thing

[weary perch]

really happy to bust that myth finally

[daring meteor]

I think about copying it all to ram, than copying it back on every save, but I'm not sure if that is doable

[vapid moat]

Odd, my Pokemon Stadium-save without Transfer Pak keeps being 256kb (does Controller Pak being enabled affect this somehow)

With GB-save it becomes 288kb

[daring meteor]

Yeah, controller pak adds 128kb

[vapid moat]

Gah

Gotta restart this process then

[daring meteor]

Wait

I figured out your save

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk has declared war on me in his last video 😄

[daring meteor]

Its in the middle, before cpak after core save

[wanton sun]

you can only have tpak or cpak

i use the cpak memory for tpak

are there games that use both? hopefully not

[daring meteor]

Well apperently Indy has their save grown from cpak

[cerulean elk]

Lol that’s a badge of honor.

@manic basin had gotten it. @fallen sparrow has gotten it too!

[vapid moat]

Huuh, interesting

Which offset is it at? Might check from HxD to try injecting my Yellow-save

[wanton sun]

save+cpak+tpak would do something very wild and not work at all

[chrome quest]

Perfect Dark could use all 3?

[wanton sun]

then the core is not prepared for that

[cerulean elk]

For those that don’t know any time I mention someone I say “and big thanks to Vampier for X. I don’t care what people say about him…I think he’s alright” 😂

[daring meteor]

0x20000 is the offset. Note that you need to swap endianess in your save

[ember linden]

This is not a recent post but I just wanted to say that NERD didn't do the n64 emulation on NSO, iQue did

[vapid moat]

My core's settings has CPak on by default - so this tends to happen:

• I load Pokemon Stadium
• Forget to swap CPak for TPak,
• Game autosaves as I load the menu -> Save now has CPak-data added to it
• After switching to TPak and saving Gen1-game, that then gets added to this save too-

[chrome quest]

If you'd like, you can DM the GB save file and I can add it. I've a rough system working at the moment for all the games

[wanton sun]

currently i cannot imagine how the file would get bigger than 256kbyte at all

or did you do that by hand?

[vapid moat]

[wanton sun]

the core just saves the normal save of 0-128kbyte and adds 128kbyte if either tpak or cpak is on

[vapid moat]

I might still be having some saves copy-pasted from Retroarch that IIRC are 290kb or smth

[wanton sun]

there is no logic inside to create larger files, so if this really was created by the core itself, it must be a very strange bug

[daring meteor]

Probably the case

[quick arch]

Mario Golf goes further but hangs at some point with N64_choro.rbf

[daring meteor]

Considering this doesn't have the 0-bytes Mark's save has

[weary perch]

Choro Q II uses both transfer and cpak

Perfect Dark as well

[wanton sun]

oh well, so i have to expand the save module to handle both individually

maybe when it's clear how the GB save will be stored in the end

[wanton sun]

mario golf is using TLB as far as i remember

[daring meteor]

Perfect dark doesn't save to gb core tho

[quick arch]

yes it uses it and hangs with the same code but with TPAK added there is more menu but hangs before entering in game

[wanton sun]

maybe we can check again when the main game works, so it's clear it's not a general game bug

or just missing TLB at some other spot

[weary perch]

the n64-database shows the 64DD IPL and all the 64DD games and conversions having transfer pak support... as well as GoldenEye X (?), that Perfect Dark hack

does the 64DD actually use the transfer pak?

oh, i guess for Mario Artist

not sure why the other 64DD games show support, maybe just by nature of the 64DD IPL

[vapid moat]

I'll try to test if I can reproduce this later, gonna first play some SMB Wonder with my sibling first time today

[daring meteor]

Its a very nice game

Speaking as someone who played it since Saturday before it came out haha

[worn delta]

Yeah Mario Artist DD games use the transfer Pak for GB Camera, I don't know if the conversions work with tpak and if they did how that would even work with camera except using SNAC. I left it off the sheet as there were too many questions and it isn't something that would be supported anytime soon, if ever

Be good to get a list of any hacks that added tpak support though and can get those on the sheet and check them out

[weary perch]

Densha De Go! 64 english seems to be the main one

curious about the GoldenEye X hack and why it is listed

[worn delta]

Yeah, wonder what cart that would work with

Has anyone tried Denshe De Go?

With tpak

[desert crow]

only one man is up for that task

[elfin depot]

@zinc dew to the rescue

[weary perch]

i guess the GoldenEye X hack is a Perfect Dark hack and inherits that game's tpak support

[worn delta]

AKA "The other Robert"

[weary perch]

that would make the most sense

[worn delta]

Ah, yeah that makes sense

[weary perch]

imports the GE levels into PD engine

[worn delta]

Don't know if we need that on the sheet, or if Goldeneye X is even in the HTGDB pack

I will add Denshe De Go and a column for ROM size when next at computer after Robert confirmed size that works

[elfin depot]

When their powers unite (insert wondertwins or captain planet gif here)

[zinc dew]

I need player three to play it argrgfhfhfhfbf

I don’t own the GBC game but I can buy it

[worn delta]

We need someone to test the built in loading rather than SNAC

[zinc dew]

Oh test built in loading?

[weary perch]

i was pretty impressed by the handheld DDG games, way better than i expected them to be

[zinc dew]

ok

One second, I can do that. Of course I already have Densha de go GBC on my MiSTer lol

It made me smile y’all thought of me ❤️

[desert crow]

you know I could do a build that makes port 2 on snax be port 3 in game @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

I would never want to trouble you with this. Thank you though you are way too kind.

[quaint pewter]

DenshaDeSnax.rbf

[latent galleon]

@zinc dew do you have the microphone and what is it for?

[zinc dew]

I do and it’s for calling out train station names for added bonus points as you approach a station. There’s also a minigame where you call out station names.

Ok so I freeze when selecting the arcade mode with the transfer pak enabled

Going to make sure I’m doing this correctly give me a bit

[latent galleon]

that actually sounds sort of amazing

[zinc dew]

Yeah need to nuke my save file

[mellow path]

If Mario Artist lets you import photos from GB Camera, instead of requiring the actual camera running, there's flawless emulation of GB Camera on GBCC that lets you use your Android camera.

It's pretty cool to check out regardless

[topaz otter]

They chose the path of peace instead

[worn delta]

Just thinking, this would be a good way to verify that SNAC actually supports the train controller, weirdly no (or almost no) emulators seem to based on that sheet posted earlier

[zinc dew]

Ok my patched Densha de go rom no workie

Anyone have the patched version working? Mine freezes when selecting arcade mode

For clarity I am not asking for a rom, I am just asking for confirmation that it works in the core

[topaz otter]

[worn delta]

Yeah, it would be really bad if someone were to DM Robby a working version of the ROM, he would be very upset and totally ban you...

[topaz otter]

He would have to ban himself, for receiving stolen goods

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I am not above the law. I would expect a timeout for it.

[chrome quest]

What is this game? Supports the unique controller, and the VRU? Both at the same time do you know? This thing is wild!

[zinc dew]

and transfer Pak

Well the English patched version does

[worn delta]

And if you have a 64DD plugged in you get a different splash screen

[zinc dew]

lol that’s right

[worn delta]

The controller also has a special little holder to put a stop watch on

[vagrant ivy]

pocket watch

[tidal glade]

Portal is a marvel in itself, a miracle running on the N64 running on a core that is also a miracle. You guys are making dreams coming true.

[worn delta]

I stand corrected, pocket watch

Anyone other than Robby and myself have the Denshe De Go N64 controller?

[zinc dew]

I really want one

[zinc dew]

lol you have the controller? Omg we’re big fucking nerds

[zinc dew]

YESSSSS

wait @worn delta you’re British, that automatically clears you of being a nerd thanks the your cool accent

Damnit just me

Irish?

I’m sorry

[worn delta]

Yeah, I have one too. Did you not wonder why we got made mods? Kitrinx couldn't decide so just thought "may as well get those two clowns who pretend to be train drivers, that's a good a reason as any"

[zinc dew]

NOICE

[woeful grove]

I liked moondandy's accent

made him seem sophisticated

[worn delta]

Scottish accent has so much more capital in America

[zinc dew]

Scottish, that was it!!

[chrome quest]

Just tested, translated ROM working fine. Are you using the "new" database file? Can't really think of anything else that would be different.

[zinc dew]

Uhhhhh maybe?

Pretty sure I am, yes

[chrome quest]

I just took the Everdrive variety, worked instantly (and I failed instantly too)

[topaz otter]

Do you work as a train conductor

[zinc dew]

Ok thanks, that helps

[vagrant ivy]

I own the Railway

"Sir Topham Hatt"

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/thomasand-friends-thomasthe-tank-engine-gif-18725703

[lament escarp]

This is true. I once rode the train and tim removed me quiet violently from it.

[vagrant ivy]

You didnt have a Ticket. Just be glad you were not on my airship

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/no-ticket-indiana-jones-indiana-jones-and-the-last-crusade-gif-17725198

[fallen sparrow]

It's an honour to be here 🫡
Some real good people here

[cerulean elk]

Haha yes this is how you know I really like you

[weary perch]

i was curious so i tried to figure out how many games use both the rumble pak and the controller pak (generally requiring you to swap them out at various points) and came up with at least 144 games

which is like half the library lol

well, it's less than half the library because it's including JP and PAL

but it's still a lot

[zinc dew]

@chrome quest / @worn delta / @wanton sun Wow yeah, the patched Densha de Go gets stuck when selecting Arcade Mode for me. Tried every variation of the rom and even patched my own. Consistently gets stuck there.

[chrome quest]

@zinc dew @worn delta Does this screen mean the TPAK worked?
I don't think I could select "Tohoku" when I first booted the game. Robby should know.

While testing I did have the same issue as you Robby, crash after selecting Arcade Mode. At least in my case, repeatable if Pads 2.3.4 are None. Given hardware complexity on this game, I'm not sure if that is a real issue or not? At least Arcade mode works with Pad 1 TPAK or N64Pad, Pads 2,3,4 all N64Pad too.

[carmine kettle]

is there a way or even possible to get controller pack feature on with snax using my retro receiver. or i gotta use bluetooth?

[chrome quest]

Maybe good timing. What are your Pad settings?

[zinc dew]

Yeah everything is unlocked with the tpak having either of the ddg games inserted

That’s all it does

[zinc dew]

Controller Pak

Oh I see

Testing with everything set to n64

LOL that was it

@chrome quest is the best!!!!

[chrome quest]

Here checking prices for this controller.... I should stop here. I've enough niche interests already! Game seems neat though

[worn delta]

Oh ace, so that's another one confirmed working?

[zinc dew]

Yeah!

[worn delta]

Glorious!

[chrome quest]

I'll leave the sheet modification to ye, I am out of my depth. Back to PAL games. Sweet sweet 50Hz

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/hHkKJfcBXcw?si=u6KKEJNegrqJbQJ_

[worn delta]

If it is easy for @desert crow to make a SNAC build with port 3 in the second port that Robby could check, that would be great to see if core and SNAC support the controller OK if that hasn't been tested by SNAC guys yet. Man I hope it does. 🙂

[latent galleon]

i used to trainspot with a weird friend in high school

he drives a train now

train people are something else entirely

[weary perch]

alright, this should be more or less complete. a list of all the games which support both controller pak and rumble

[eternal ravine]

Trains are so kinky

[weary perch]

172 games

[zinc dew]

Damnit! I was hoping I could set port 3 to SNAC and then just use port 1 of my SNAX adapter.

[elfin depot]

Theres a great train enthuisest video, youtube "Excited train guy, New York!" (I don't want to plug up the chat with youtube vids)

[worn delta]

Oh, that is a lot. I wonder if there is anyway for core to support both at once

[weary perch]

yeah it is more than i expected

don't think it can do both at once without the games being modified, or some kind of clever trickery on the part of the core

might have to live with a toggle button in the end

[worn delta]

Yeah, I wonder if Robert has any clever tricks up his sleeve that could get both working. One for later down the line if possible

If anyone is feeling buccaneering there are a half dozen Japanese games that should work with corresponding GB game and transfer Pak but need tested

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, the English patch fellas decided to just include every feature of an N64 in their hack. Surprised they didn't sneak Pokemon snap station support in there somewhere

[weary perch]

perfect head to import gb camera photos onto your passengers

[worn delta]

It was neat they added extra support for these things, hopefully we see more people going the extra mile with hacks

[chrome quest]

Breaking news. I have located the Virtual Boy Core on MiSTer FPGA confirmed. It's just really tiny

[fair stump]

Are we able to use saves from a real n64 on the core?

[chilly ember]

I've converted one of my saves from mister to use on real hardware/ everdrive just to test a bug. So I assume so. Controller Pak might be harder to convert tho

[brisk edge]

I was able to use my Donkey Kong 64 save just fine

[teal citrus]

Are you sure? I don't see it there. Maybe someday it will be real./s

[brisk edge]

but yeah converting controller paks will probably be somewhat involved

[fair stump]

Cool, was there any adjustments you had to do?

[brisk edge]

aside from file extension nope, it just worked 🙂

[quasi storm]

Just wanna say: My room mate and I just had a rousing two player skirmish in StarCraft 64, and not one error.

And then we decided to try us two against 4 CPU opponents. No errors, but the slowdown... Oh god, the slowdown.

Seems about right, though. It's been a long time since my cousin and brother played back when it was new. I think it was about the same. There are these odd hitches that occured during the (Admittedly short-lived) six player match. I just figured it was the CPU building stuff.

Anyone else remember how it played?

[eternal island]

that same buddy of mine is going to try to beat superman 64 next weekend to add to the list

and then afterwards, daikatana or carmageddon

[chilly ember]

I did finish daikatana and superman 64 but getting a second confirmation is good

Daikatana is like 100 times better than superman 64

[night silo]

I don't remember in too much detail but I do know that game generally felt like playing underwater compared to the OG PC version lol

Btw in case you aren't aware the PC original is free now 🙂

[quasi storm]

I WAS aware of this! It's pretty sweet.

I had an open source Linux handheld called the OpenPandora, and it could run Starcraft. I actually wirelessly served a game for 4. It was a great experience!

I can agree with pretty much any review for the 64 port, "If you never played the PC version, it's worth a look. Otherwise, don't bother."

[cerulean elk]

Pokemon vid is loose...gotta catch em all

[mortal panther]

I thought someone here already completed Superman 64.

Really took one for the team.

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-shock-wtf-gif-15452657

[mortal panther]

Guess I need to go peek at choo channel.

[cerulean elk]

lolol I wish you could use gifs on YT

[hollow rune]

Introspective evening tonight

[worn delta]

Better get that hammer ready

[chilly ember]

Gonna try and beat him with the master sword or cheese it with a megaton?

I used the hammer lol

[modern sleet]

Freeze him with the deku seed

[hollow rune]

Injustntried with Master Sword and lost which I don't remember being so har don 3ds

Hammer it is then. I've been in this silly dungeon too long

I appreciate all these tips

[chilly ember]

Beating him with the sword is really hard but it's possible. Not worth the pain lol

[modern sleet]

Bongo Bongo really irritated me more than I remember

[keen hazel]

I just use Biggoron's

[modern sleet]

And he's easy

[hollow rune]

I haven't done that yet

[keen hazel]

This sword basically makes the game so much easier

[keen hazel]

That's the first thing I always do right after the Forest Temple

[hollow rune]

I will do it after the water boss.

[keen hazel]

I beat Master Quest for the first time on Robert's core the other day

The game crashed right before the end credits though

It's like someone stole my victory

Anyway, still beat it

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-beat-it-choreography-dance-80s-music-gif-20426981

[chilly ember]

There's a patch for that

It's just because master quest tries to load a fmv off the gamecube disc

[weary palm]

Yes

[chilly ember]

https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=5161.0

[keen hazel]

Oh, makes sense

Well I'm not sure I want to beat Ganon again just to watch the end credits, so ... Maybe next time ?

[rose elbow]

i'm trying to wrap my head around why they did FMV if it's the same game otherwise

[keen hazel]

What does that FMV look like ? Did they use some CGI shit ?

[weary palm]

They also restore some things back to how they were on n64. Like removing any mention of the c-stick.

[rose elbow]

ohh, because the ending jumps from location to location and gamecube add disc loading maybe?

[keen hazel]

Does it also restore original button colors ?

[weary palm]

I'm not sure it has ever been confirmed why they fixed the crash in this unconventional manner.

[weary palm]

Yes

You bet

[keen hazel]

Aah I should have used that patch, GC colors bothered me

[rose elbow]

ah there's 2 diff patches, one with no-antialiasing

how far we've come :)

im guessing it'd be same as what the OSD toggle is doing

[chrome quest]

Fun little quirk. Loading the GB ROM into the core displays the load screen (fast as it is) over the YC version on CRT, unlike the N64 ROM load which is just black screen

[hollow rune]

Honestly if you don't use z-targeting and just spam sword attack he goes down really easy

[storm vessel]

Ah 😅 (I can’t seem to keep up with the flow of text speed on here)

[rose elbow]

the jump from master sword to big goron sword is pretty massive. i think on my last playthrough, i got the big goron sword way earlier than i normally do and it almost trivialized it a bit lol

not specifically bongo bongo just the game in general, taking out enemies in 1 hit

good to have though

[chilly ember]

Yea hammer is still easier :p, I wasn't collecting many hearts at that point so I just yolo'd it with the hammer

[rose elbow]

Majora's Mask is the one where if you do the sword upgrade, it's permanent and u can't toggle back. that one bummed me out as a kid lool

[brisk edge]

I'm too used to just abusing power crouch stabbing in OoT

[vapid hawk]

i think the goron sword was designed as a kind of easy mode for the later game. there's nothing really hard about getting it its just time consuming

[rose elbow]

i actually found it hard getting it as a kid LOL

that time limit challenge

[vapid hawk]

the hookshot race thing?

[rose elbow]

i think the um.. the mushroom

that time sequence took me a few attempts

maybe i was just a kid and playing the game dumb LOL

[vapid hawk]

oh right yeah you have to get across the world before it spoils

[rose elbow]

yeah it was like, one of the few things in that game i struggled with aha

[vapid hawk]

you can just ride epona though iirc?

[rose elbow]

yeah its probably not that hard tbh

i also remember in primary school having a friend who was convinced they soft locked themself in the forest temple by using the keys in "the wrong order" and wiped his save file to start from the start

dumb kids 😅

[brisk edge]

at least back then you had plenty of free time to redo the game lol

[vapid hawk]

this is a known thing

[rose elbow]

ive tried searching it coz i think about it every now and then aha

i've always assumed there's no way

[vapid hawk]

happened to me last time i played it 😄 its not actually softlocked but the solution is really obscure

[brisk edge]

oh really? there is a softlock?

neat

[vapid hawk]

if you like take a wrong turn somewhere in the temple you can end up scratching your head for hours

[rose elbow]

it's the first temple as an Adult 💪

[quasi storm]

In Starcraft 64 you can use the Dpad to switch to various map locations, but how the heck do you set them up?

The manual doesn't help here. It makes no mention of the Dpad or L button at all...

Typical.

[mossy vector]

I'm pretty sure I sequence broke the forest temple the first time with the hookshot to the upper level and did something backwards than what was intended. But later when I saw the correct way I was like, oh, that's easier.

[brisk edge]

I sure love undocumented features, who would want such things written down somewhere

[quasi storm]

I swear I tried that... Probably didn't, though.

[vapid hawk]

yeah i couldn't find it in the manual, or on gamefaqs, or anywhere. just one random redditor at the very bottom of a thread lol

[rose elbow]

its pretty self-explantory, Hold L to create a Load point

[elfin depot]

<cough's in 8bitdo undocumented modes>

[vapid hawk]

L+Dpad Direction to set it

[eternal island]

no thanks. id rather he not play through them if he has to with me in the room lol

he just wanted to clear some of the bleh games to mark them as complete

so carmageddon it is...

[chilly ember]

Don't blame you :p that's the only reason I finished it

[eternal island]

hes the one who cleared quest 64

[vapid hawk]

has anyone finished turok yet?

[chilly ember]

I'm on buck bumble next lol

[vapid hawk]

turoks actually a good game

[rose elbow]

Turok 1 rules

[vapid hawk]

yeah 2/3 are kinda ropey because of the framerate but 1 is pretty nice

[chilly ember]

I don't think anyone has finished it yet, I never finished turok before so I get lost easily lol

[rose elbow]

i'd be tempted to look at that South Park FPS. i've seen it get a bad rep nowadays but i always thought it Wasn't that bad.. but maybe it does suck lol

[vapid hawk]

i had that southpark fps back in the day

[rose elbow]

isn't it fine ?

or does it suck LOL

[chrome quest]

I think that was the first fps I ever played...

[vapid hawk]

its kinda rubbishy, but it does have like, a lot of enemies on screen

[chilly ember]

I played through south park on my everdrive a bit a few months ago

[vapid hawk]

think of it as like, south park themed serious-sam

[chilly ember]

Daikatana might be better tbh

[vapid hawk]

oh daikatana is definitely better

[eternal island]

turok is one i wouldn't mind playing through

if only i didnt suck

[vapid hawk]

doom64 is also great and i don't think anyones finished it yet

[rose elbow]

i remember Turok having some gnarly platforming lol

[rose elbow]

i got up to stage 3 and then started looking at patching it lol

[vapid hawk]

the platforming isn't that bad if you've played like, metroid prime or anything

[rose elbow]

and fell off aha

[vapid hawk]

people were just worse at games back then 😛

[eternal island]

and again, while he plays carmageddon.. i'll be playing either sea of stars or chained echoes if i don't beat it by then in the background to try to combat bad game with good game

[rose elbow]

i also reckon it might have something to do with everyone being filthy cheaters back then and just playing the game with god mode and stuff.

[oblique crow]

I've finished DOOM64 multiple times already on Mister

[chilly ember]

The platforming in turok still kinda sucks

[rose elbow]

and then platforming is the one thing that addeda curveball

[rose elbow]

wow!

[oblique crow]

And a few hundred times in my life

[vapid hawk]

nice

did you do the nightdive extra chapter too?

[oblique crow]

Of course

and the GZDoom conversion

[elfin depot]

First time I played Doom64 was on switch, and I just dove in, didn't realize you 'should' collect the demon keys as it makes that last level a lot easier. Still beat it but I took many tries!

[oblique crow]

Did you do Hectic?

[vapid hawk]

lol

[oblique crow]

Get a rocket launcher off the 1

[vapid hawk]

it kinda sucks doom64 doesn't remember your guns etc when you save

[oblique crow]

Blow up all the barrels in E1M1, save the one at spawn for last, blow it up, go back to where the berserk is, there's a teleporter there to take you to Hectic

Pistol start is always fine for me.

[rose elbow]

does doom 64 remember ur guns from level to level?

[oblique crow]

Yes.

Unless you die.

[rose elbow]

ahh

[vapid hawk]

its ok but i'm more of an ammo hoarder type 😄

i need 150 rockets on hand just incase

[oblique crow]

IDK if you've noticed, but I kinda LOVE DOOM

[elfin depot]

Yeah afterwards (slow learner) I read that on a walkthrough site. Wild the stuff they built in

[vapid hawk]

yeah unless you die or like, stop playing and reload the save

if you keep playing the whole episode all at once you keep your guns

[zinc dew]

Do you mind ranking your favorite doom games?

[oblique crow]

1. ALL OF THEM BUT... 2. DOOM 3

[chilly ember]

I like doom 3

[oblique crow]

Doom 3 is... fine. But its not DOOM.

[elfin depot]

hear hear: #general-banter message

[zinc dew]

I like doom rpg

[rose elbow]

ive still never played it!!

[oblique crow]

I love you Dolch.

That hotwheels PC literally just made me have flashbacks

[vapid hawk]

my favorite doom is probably the first one

[rose elbow]

can i play Doom RPG on mister ? LOL

[oblique crow]

First thing I did on the ao486 core was try and play through DOOM II

it was... doable.

And yes - there's a PrBOOM port of Doom for Mister

[vapid hawk]

like either doom 1 or doom (2016) i can't decide

[oblique crow]

and it runs very well

native Mister build

[vapid hawk]

if you use fastdoom on ao486 it actually runs great

[solemn marlin]

The n64 version is much better but I guess it's a different game

[rose elbow]

better than ao486?

[oblique crow]

yes

[rose elbow]

!!

[vapid hawk]

doom64 is a sequel to doom 2, not a remake of doom 1 or anything

[oblique crow]

It's running native... it's running more natively.

[oblique crow]

The true DOOM 3 is DOOM64

❤️

[vapid hawk]

its like, practically a secret doom game nobody has heard of, although less so lately

[solemn marlin]

Not really feeling the ao486 stuff but I might just be bad at setting it up

[oblique crow]

Midway killed it back then

[zinc dew]

Doom sucks

[rose elbow]

true

[vapid hawk]

that naming choice has to be one of the worst of all time lol

[oblique crow]

https://github.com/bbond007/MiSTer_PrBoom-Plus

[rose elbow]

awesome thanks!

[vapid hawk]

there's a new fucking doom game and its n64 exclusive. should of been a system seller

[oblique crow]

DOOM 64 had another name, DOOM: The Absolution

but Nintendo asked Midway to conform to the naming scheme

[elfin depot]

The Unmaker was going to be in Doom II wasn't it? But didn't work out so the N64 got it

[oblique crow]

My doom knowledge is failing me on that, thought the Unmaker originally started as the flamethrower for Doom 64

[zinc dew]

[rose elbow]

if Doom has it's own core does that mean .. we can have a Doom channel on discord? :D

[oblique crow]

hahahaha well - definitely not the one to ask hahaha

[vapid hawk]

its not a real core so no probably not

[rose elbow]

dangit

[oblique crow]

i would say yes

[vapid hawk]

though so many cores can run a doom you could justify it that way

[rose elbow]

doom is eternal

[vapid hawk]

what about quake anyone finished that?

or quake2

[oblique crow]

Haven't tried Quake 2 or Quake64 yet

[rose elbow]

i need to try Quake

[oblique crow]

Title sequence for D64 is still one of the most metal things.

"The mutations are devastating. The Demons have returned even stronger and more vicious than before. As the only experienced survivor of the DOOM episode, your commission is re-activated. Your assignment is clear: MERCILESS EXTERMINATION."

[vapid hawk]

quake64 is the only one thats actually the quake engine right, saturn quake runs on the powerslave engine

[rose elbow]

i got the Switch port of Quake recently and couldn't figure out how to turn off the Acheivement notifications.. i'm too ADHD OCD or something but that stuff just annoys the heck out of me LOL..

[oblique crow]

I think Quake64 runs on a proprietary engine actually

maybe? I forget

I remember uncle derek saying something about it

[vapid hawk]

it does feel a bit odd

i'm so used to playing it at 70hz with a mouse though

anything else feels odd

[oblique crow]

Nope - it was true blue quake

[rose elbow]

what controller did u use to play through Doom64? curious

[oblique crow]

you're right, saturn was powerslave

Three pronged wonder

@rose elbow

[rose elbow]

aha nice

[oblique crow]

strafe left and right on C < and C >

[rose elbow]

yeah, i found after a bit of tinkering u can get it feeling really good

[oblique crow]

yup

[rose elbow]

i'd still prefer kb+m tho

[oblique crow]

of course

[rose elbow]

oh well good to know

its doable haha

[vapid hawk]

if someone did like, mouse-to-analog-stick mapping thing you could kinda do that

[oblique crow]

I love this place, for real. Feels good being surrounded by people as crazy enthusiastic as you are.

[vapid hawk]

saying that i've never encountered a good one of those - might be impossible

[languid dune]

We're all a bunch of crazies. 🤪

And yeah, I love this place.

[oblique crow]

the best way honestly to experience DOOM64 sadly isn't on the N64 though - its definitely the nightdive remaster, or the slightly less accurate DOOM 64: The Absolution remake for GZDoom - but if you had nowhere else to play it, like most of the last two decades, its definitely not the worst place to play a doom game.