#Nintendo 64

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odd vector
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I wish I had an PVM. Almost impossible to get one in Switzerland

prisma ivy
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I don't mean to yuck your yum. You enjoy box art and stuff but if I have the choice I would stick with the current look.

wanton sun
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i don't know sorry. But it seems unlikely to use LOD for such small elements. Usually it's done for huge textures, e.g. ground

mild ether
elfin relic
odd vector
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still difficult to get hands on one of that. also extremely expensive

thorn flax
odd vector
elfin relic
mild ether
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I got two 20'' BVM and I prefer playing on my 27'' RGB modded Trinitron for the extra size.

elfin relic
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that scaler takes up all those LUTs whether you use it or not. It's very comfy on a nice oled

odd vector
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B&O MX4000 is alright šŸ˜„

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And you can even TATEMODE it

mild ether
odd vector
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only issue: It's impossible to get the perfect geometry

quaint pewter
cerulean elk
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Lol never read YT comments

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The amount of stuff that is just angry ā€œbut acktuallyā€ is too damn high

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People insist on all manner of wrong opinions / determinations. Best to just leave it alone

mild ether
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Yeah, trolling is too fun to pass up. šŸ˜‚

cerulean elk
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The funniest ones are when people insist what you just put on camera isn’t real. ā€œThe 3DO M2 doesn’t exist. It was cancelledā€ (shows three M2’s on camera)

compact lark
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I must say, the N64 core on my CRT through composite is such a dream.

I could run the same using by raspberry pi 3b+ but well, lotsa n64 games don't run at full speed and of course, it doesn't have all the Vaseline goodness the core has.

cerulean elk
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ā€œThere are no Hyper Neo Geo prototypesā€ (tears down prototype and shows running on camera)

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People will straight up deny what’s in front of their own eyes šŸ˜‚

zinc dew
cerulean elk
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But with MiSTer it’s a lot of confirmation bias. Didn’t buy MiSTer? Ir sucks because you didn’t buy it and want to affirm your decision. Bought MiSTer? It’s amazing and also will give you a handie before you go to bed because it’s amazing cause YOU picked it lol

odd vector
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think about it, you could also get an Xbox Series X for that price šŸ˜„

cerulean elk
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Those commenters don’t want to learn or be informed. They want to defend their decision making process so they feel good about what THEY decided for themselves. And they do it by shitting on what others enjoy

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That’s why in some videos I’ll say ā€œI don’t care if you emulate games on your phone with touch screen controls. If you are happy im happy for you. Just keep playing gamesā€

quaint pewter
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Social media is not a game but makes people think "You are all NPCs! I'm the protagonist!!"

cerulean elk
cerulean elk
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we all forget that every random person we walk by on a daily basis has this whole rich life and existence where they are the star of the show. We think they are just background props in our lives...and they see us the same way

fair stump
hasty kayak
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Its called being delusional (oh this doesn't exist, its cancelled despite the fact I can clearly see one on this video).

cerulean elk
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its not possible IMO to mentally imagine every person you see as this unique individual who's entire world is in their own mind

cerulean elk
compact lark
quaint pewter
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Someone made up a word for that... "Sonder: the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own, in which you might appear only once, as an extra sipping coffee in the background."

cerulean elk
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and I mean I get it. MiSTer is cool as shit. But we can do everything via software emulation too. We dont "need" MiSTer. Hell we dont need games. Nobody is gonna die if they cant play some retro games lol

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but some people just HAVE to shit on others fun and thats what drives me nuts

mild ether
hasty kayak
lament escarp
cerulean elk
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I think ā€œmain character syndromeā€ more reads like ā€œI am in charge of the story and what I say is the gospelā€ vs ā€œwell obv I’m my own main character. I’m meā€

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The good thing is I’d say 95% plus of comments I read on N64 and MiSTer are positive. Just astonishment this works at all

zinc dew
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The Nintendo 64 had main character syndrome for a while until the PS1 reminded it that a console can live or die based on third party support

cerulean elk
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2.5% of the remaining comments are @brisk drum saying dumb things Lolol

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But I do get accused of ā€œbeing a hardware puristā€, ā€œbeing an FPGA snobā€ and ā€œusing too much software emulation. Get real hardware loserā€ 🤣

night saddle
mild ether
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Why you gotta be pickin on team Wisconsin?

cerulean elk
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Small install base, expensive manufacturing process = risk adverse publishers going to Sony

night saddle
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yeah but they were right about the piracy angle that kept them from jumping on the cd bandwagon

quaint pewter
night saddle
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didnt take long for the floodgates to open like never before re: piracy on ps1

cerulean elk
quaint pewter
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Equal opportunity person offender šŸ™‚

night saddle
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cd load times really weren't as big a thing as they made it though. for the amount of content generally on ps1 games it was worth a bit of wait, and not like it was as huge an issue as earlier cd consoles like neo geo cd

cerulean elk
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Saying the PS1 core was ā€œbetter than real hardwareā€ spiced people up lol. Like I don’t have a six pack of PS1s hanging around my office

mild ether
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PS1 still made a whole heap of money regardless of the piracy.

night saddle
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anytime you say that in regards to emulation there are many folks who will get fired up

cerulean elk
quaint pewter
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My ps1 and folder of games is collecting dust, just like my vinyl and CDs have since getting an iPod.

cerulean elk
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Sell 200k copies on N64 and 10 are pirated copies? Still just profited on 200K

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but yeah itll be fun to do the final N64 review when the core comes out. Feeling like another "yeah this is better than OG hardware" conclusion...just down to that expensive AF HDMI mod alone

quaint pewter
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MiSTer is my iPod for games. All the mod cons.

compact lark
solemn kayak
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Oh snap, watching MVG talk about the core

quaint pewter
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I still have sooo many phyical games but I don't have to drag them out to play them any more.

compact lark
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Anyways, playing the N64 version of Rayman 2 made me realize just how compromised the PS1 port is.

mild ether
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I know it's better than digging out hardware that's 25 years old just to play n64.

warm pollen
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hey guys - for the Switch Nintendo 64 controller - what Bluetooth receiver do you use? or pretty all is good (ie. generic Amazon)

night saddle
quaint pewter
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The only console that anyone can say might have been actually killed by piracy is Dreamcast.... As MVG would say "mistakes were made."

compact lark
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PS1, PS2 and DS piracy were all gigantic, yet the respective consoles and games still sold bajillions

mild ether
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3DS piracy was a whole different animal. Being able to pirate games directly from the eshop was wild.

solemn kayak
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With the PS1, you at least needed a mod chip which was an extra step a lot of people wouldn't do

mild ether
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I don't recall Dreamcast piracy being too major when it was starting to wind down. It seemed like they were just being out done by the competition at the time. I owned one at that time.

loud pebble
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So you start running in sonic the hedgehog. As you run a rock suddenly appears on the right of the screen and you quickly press the jump button. In a software emulator with blutooth controller and lcd latency you slam into the rock and the game halts. On real hardware with lcd latency you jump and clear the rock but miss the rings. On real hardware or MiSTer on a crt tv you clear the rock, collect six sparkly rings, bop an enemy and sail smoothly onto a higher platform like the developers intended.

mild ether
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Could be wrong about that though.

solemn kayak
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There was a lot of burning CDs, and passing around games among my friends group .. I'm sorry to say I might have killed Sega

solemn marlin
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I don't understand how forsaken and descent are different games

compact lark
mild ether
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Oh, I know it existed but I just don't recall it being more prevalent than PlayStation.

steady basalt
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99% of PS1 where I live left the store already chipped.

solemn kayak
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I can see that especially being popular regionally. My personal experience is that was a "you have to know a guy" type of thing. WIth the Dreamcast CD burners were cheap, blank CD's were cheap, and broadband internet was getting popular.. Just a perfect storm

thorn flax
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tinfoil sony were only ok with piracy because it was part of the long con

weary perch
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forsaken is... not good

solemn marlin
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You'd say it's... decent? šŸ¤”

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I really dislike forsaken so will have to try descent, the aesthetic and music is really cool but the gameplay makes me fel physically ill

weary perch
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oh forsaken is just a really bad descent clone. descent is a great game

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forsaken is a legitimately bad game

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you might be able to wring some enjoyment out of it but it's not well-designed at all

solemn marlin
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I remember it being the least appreciated multiplayer title in circulation but you can't just play mk64 so we did play some of it... maybe singleplayer isn't as wretched

weary perch
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it's all wretched šŸ˜„

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the level design is just awful

solemn marlin
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Funny how it's looks okay using review scores, finding hidden gems really is all about trying them out first

cerulean elk
toxic pumice
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there's a lot of fun in janky crap

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I mean hell I love turok rage wars, and that's absolutely rubbish

cerulean elk
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like if I try to make someone play ONE game start to finish....Killing Time

toxic pumice
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I will play the shit out of it any given day though. šŸ˜„

cerulean elk
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not great reviews, hands down my fav game of that generation

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but nobody ever sticks with it because it has an admittedly maze like first level that is probably the worst area in the entire game. Get past that...gold

solemn marlin
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Chameleon twist is a gem and that reviewed poorly, I think there's a lot of hype in those days that's missing from the context

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"Oh it's kind of like mario but uglier and not as big levels? Meh C+"

balmy dagger
cerulean elk
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one step forward, two steps back

balmy dagger
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The dream version that mashes the best of both together only lives in our minds. šŸ˜„

solemn marlin
weary perch
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if you are curious about games you'll end up finding stuff that clicks for you that other people didn't like

cerulean elk
solemn marlin
toxic pumice
quaint pewter
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{police_siren.gif}

mortal panther
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Hack jobs

toxic pumice
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at that point IRC was your best friend, I remember hanging around multiple places with people running fileserver clients

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those were the days

maiden flower
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likewise, those indeed were the days

modern sleet
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Looks at newsgroup server, nothing has changed here :), still get my daily "news" and chat through my friendly newsgroup.

toxic pumice
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we're getting old, ladies and gents. 😦

mortal panther
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The only reason I was still using IRC as of a couple years ago was because of Pleasuredome... but when we shut that tracker and forum down, I had no reason to keep mIRC installed. Said goodbye for good. End of an era.

toxic pumice
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mIRC was my introduction to scripting languages when I was in school, I found it fascinating.

mortal panther
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Hell, I feel old just seeing Zophar's name in the chat. 🤣

mortal panther
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šŸ“ 

quaint pewter
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Where are my Dave's Videogame Classics OGs at?

mortal panther
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Heh, no doubt. That's another blast from the past.

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Like a time machine taking me back 20+ years... back when I was scrounging ROMs over dial-up from mame.dk

vagrant ivy
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Jose Q Emu Views

iron dove
fair stump
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Mario is a ||cop|| now?

iron dove
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whomp had it coming

solemn marlin
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Can't believe bowser committed suicide with two shots to the back of his head

tawdry depot
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Looks like the tweet has turned into a video about the N64 core. Queue an influx of DE-10 shortages again. https://youtu.be/kaaATngW8iY

Earlier this year FPGA developer Robert Peip started work on the "impossible" implementation of a Nintendo 64 FPGA core for the DE-10 Nano used in the MiSTer open-source project. Many thought it to be unattainable. In today's episode we take a look at the core and how fast things have progressed. The core is in a very advanced state and is very ...

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cerulean elk
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44K views in four hours. I’m lucky if I get 10K in 24 🤣 might go delete the channel now šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

lament escarp
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I waited 4 or 5 months for mine.

modern sleet
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RIP @graceful radish stock

lament escarp
cerulean elk
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I just wish I could do those numbers

lament escarp
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Alright, guess I'll watch every vid twice.

cerulean elk
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69 times. Minimums 🤣 (I really don’t care I’m happy for his 44K views)

fair stump
dusk glen
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Well, technically they're correct, but in practice things can be quite different. Unless doing a gate-level reverse engineering of the chips, it won't be 1:1 to real hardware. But I think that's besides the point.

lament escarp
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You could make a reaction video to his, that way you get to make easy content, while lowkey benefitting off his popularity

zinc dew
orchid nimbus
mortal panther
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Reaction video is a great idea.
"CLEARLY NOT IMPOSSIBLE..." šŸ˜‰

lament escarp
cerulean elk
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Sorry making jokes while deep cleaning our car outside for fall. So boring

mild ether
manic basin
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You can....by CHEATING! #1096015979055697940 message

cerulean elk
manic basin
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MVG's son made an amazing Chasing Amy documentary, off topic.

dusk glen
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Accuracy is very important and can be quite costly to do in software for the 8-bit and 16-bit era consoles, when some visual effects depends on tight timing relationships between the state of different chips. However, at some point, this probably ceased to be an issue as most games started to be written in higher level languages and there were so many things underlying in the system firmware that devs probably shouldn't rely on supper accurate timing constraints.

mild ether
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So this MVG guy just lurks in the discord. I wonder who it is. šŸ¤”

tawdry depot
tawdry depot
cerulean elk
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haha Id never delete it. The channel is structured to always just kind of tick along

mild ether
cerulean elk
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I mean I dedicate entire days to esoteric games nobody has ever heard of...not exactly the kinda bait you catch the big fish with

fair stump
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If you speed up mvg's video by 1.5x they do sound suspiciously alike lodHmm

cerulean elk
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haha I am MVG. I have really good face masks and voice changers

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and a different house...just to keep up the illusion

lament escarp
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I knew it!

cerulean elk
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by my joke count I am now MVG and also @languid dune s father

mild ether
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The proximity makes that plausible.

lament escarp
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I demand pepsiman in the next mvg video.

cerulean elk
mortal panther
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Confirmed: @cerulean elk worked for Night Dive Studios, and now Limited Run Games, where he is the lead developer of Carbon Engine. šŸ˜‰

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Is there anything he can't do?

lament escarp
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Or maybe pepsiman is behind the content and vge aka mvg is stealing it.

manic basin
mild ether
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Good practice.

solemn marlin
cerulean elk
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@zinc dew send me some face shots. You can be the face of VGE. Sell it hard

manic basin
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Gizmos

lament escarp
cerulean elk
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How bout this photo? (I did this to he edited into a sprite for Mortal Kombat on 3DO. I’m going to be a severed head on a spike)

manic basin
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Prepare for disappointment

weary palm
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Pi's are a pain in the ass to behave the way I want with minimal stutter. MiSTer is a breeze in comparision.

lament escarp
tawdry depot
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Needs some photoshoped bruises and more visual drama

cerulean elk
manic basin
sly wasp
eternal island
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i think there is at least half a 3do game i want to play

lament escarp
eternal island
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!

weary palm
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With a Pi I feeo stuck in configuration hell

manic basin
sly wasp
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og christopher

mild ether
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It's good for filling in gaps for arcade games with no core.

barren fiber
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Unlike the PS1 core that I follow day by day, I have not been able to test the n64 one, but I will download it this afternoon and i want just to thank you for your work in this community @wanton sun !

zinc dew
solemn marlin
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Yea it's weird playing something that really looks like the original console

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It's kind of like the same feeling the first time I saw emulation on my pc, like "oh this is the game but on pc" even if it wasn't too accurate, this is "oh this is the game, like it really was, with the press of a button"

eternal island
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ill see if my buddy can beat another game this weekend if hes not working it

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mans really good at most n64 games

deft tree
languid dune
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Nice to see MVG do a video on this. The more visibility that Robert, the N64 core, and MiSTer in general get the better!

mild ether
deft tree
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Mine isn’t the official one, it’s from a Korean maker who does a ton of cool stuff

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Most notably it has kick harness support

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Know what sucks on it though? N64.

plush summit
viral portal
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He talks in the video about giving Robert's patreon a sub to get the details. Getting Robert more patrons sounds much better than using Robert for more views imo. Though I do like the idea.

plush summit
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Yeah, buts kinda weird to call it the "Impossible" core without much specifics, would be nice to clear the air on it

thorn flax
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good stuff

deep beacon
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That’s because the best n64 goldeneye emulator is a 360 emulator running the leaked 99 percent finished but never released remaster

daring meteor
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Did Robert do anything special memory related or was MVG just pulling that out of nothing?

plush summit
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Last I read, he's leveraging the onboard DDR3 RAM to get things going

daring meteor
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Yeah
Did he do anything special with the DDR3?

vapid hawk
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a lot of cores do that - though to be fair most of them are by robert

viral portal
plush summit
vapid hawk
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i'd love to see mvg interview robert

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feel like he'd ask good questions

viral portal
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Too true. I'm just glad we've got people showcasing the core so that it can reach out to people as best as they can to not make an impulse decision with the Analogue console.

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Get it because you think it fits your needs, not because you think it's the only option you'll have.

weary palm
daring meteor
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Vampier you should've updated your FAQ now MVG said the wrong things

languid dune
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Honestly, probably not the best idea to post that guy's face given the things he has said recently...😬

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Even as a joke, it's not really funny.

solemn marlin
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Oh right

plush summit
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yeezy yeezy

languid dune
solemn marlin
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Dumb kanye west meme about TLB alan

latent galleon
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hi alan

weary palm
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Ah. Yeah, he's quite the antisemite.

latent galleon
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he's quite the untreated

random portal
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KI2 yet?

manic basin
random portal
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I haven't been around my MiSTer

manic basin
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I was confused for a sec until I realized it was about someone else. Hehe.

cerulean elk
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haha I didnt even notice

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they removed my nude photo. The size was making people too nervous. "Too large"..."king among us all"...and "hes half elephant" were mentioned 🤣

manic basin
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The irony is, it was a foot photo.

cerulean elk
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ewwww

weary palm
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Gay fish

neat sierra
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Finally a YouTuber covered the N64 core

weary palm
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Other than Video Game Erotica

cerulean elk
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thats my onlyfans

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VGE After Dark

solemn kayak
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A big spotlight too

manic basin
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*onlyfan

cerulean elk
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we still need to do our "12 month of MiSTer" calendar too. For charity

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12 months of saucy FPGA

manic basin
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OK, but for real, a MiSTer advent calendar with a different game every day would be a super fun project.

latent galleon
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bruh i dont even know what advent is

neat sierra
weary palm
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All names are made up. šŸ˜‰

neat sierra
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It’s softcore where they whisper sweet nothings really quickly

topaz otter
weary palm
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neat sierra
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Someday another YouTuber will cover the core other than MVG can’t wait!

random portal
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oh that channel

latent galleon
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adult filmmaker

topaz otter
latent galleon
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he never adds the adult

random portal
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yo, what games are you guys playing on the N64 core now?

fair stump
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So uh, what's next on the test build menu?

random portal
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that recently became playable

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also, don't forget to play Star Soldier Vanishing Eart. Greatest SHMUP on the console.

robust trout
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Thought y'all would enjoy this dingdong-ery

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They're talking about Analogue 3D šŸ’€

manic basin
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Wait, what? Words have lost all meaning.

eternal island
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lol..

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soon.. maybe by next christmas

cerulean elk
cerulean elk
eternal island
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i feel they didn't even take like 30mins to find out what it will actually be

latent galleon
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i've been tangentially involved, and...probably not

night silo
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Seems like they're expecting the games to actually render at an internal 4K res. Gonna be sorely disappointed lol

latent galleon
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more of a quantity vs quality sitch

nimble needle
night silo
quaint pewter
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Analogue is decompiling and remastering every single game, and when you put in a cart it signals the machine to run the correct 4k remaster. Duh. It's obvious. NO EMULATION. lol

cerulean elk
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lol only in gaming could something like a Nintendo 64 FPGA core currently exist...then another project gets announced...and suddenly THATS the N64 Core oh and its remastering games. Prolly make your morning coffee too

eternal island
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i'll read the article on my phone while i play majoras mask on mister sipping my coffee like a snob

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would make for a funny voice clip lol. maybe when im not working

manic basin
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Did he remove the article? The LadBible group is pretty rough in general. Like iFunny for the 2020s.

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There's some decent content from them, but it's shotgun. You get one or two funny or interesting articles out of 100.

mild ether
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Not that gaming journalism other places is much better.

manic basin
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Ah, I found it.

mild ether
eternal island
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i thought analogue themselves would have told them to remove it lol

plush summit
eternal island
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"hey uh.. we aren't remastering the games. maybe don't say that.."

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nintendo reading it breathing real hard about to slap someone with the book of the law

mild ether
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They don't listen and they don't contact sources it's always pure diarrhea from their writers.

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That's how gaming "journalists" roll.

manic basin
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Freelancing is not viable to live on. More, worse content makes you more money. It's a shitty system.

nimble needle
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Woe be the modern age of ā€˜content’

mortal panther
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I wish journalism would undergo a retro resurgence, too.

latent galleon
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I am currently playing 4k remaster of SMBW

dusty tusk
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Freelance Forklifting is where the real money is

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Just need that certification and a lift.

cerulean elk
manic basin
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Maybe one article by Christmas....

mild ether
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It couldn't end up being worse.

oblique crow
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With the exception of Paul Tassi and Jason Schreier, gaming journalism is embarrassingly bad

dusty tusk
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Jason can be a bit mixed when he isn't doing deep dives

oblique crow
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Oh and Stella Chung. I love her. She's my gym crush.

dusty tusk
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Or at least he was back in the Kotaku days

manic basin
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There's a massive gap in print because it's just not something you can actually do for a living and the 'editors' are about CPM more than anything. Video is kind of the only game in town now.

oblique crow
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I'm just saying I respect the man wholly. He's an exceptional journalist, gaming or not.

dusty tusk
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The biggest issue in gaming journalism is click bait and inflammatory journalism. Brought all the good writers down with them.

manic basin
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I have a few friends who were and are no longer journalists in gaming. Which is really sad.

oblique crow
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Honestly, if you're seeking real journalism in gaming you have to reach for content creators now - not news sites.

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Passionate creators will often do the due diligence even if it's not technically true journalism

manic basin
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When we were doing a Big Stompy Robots interview once, the interviewer literally told us it was one of his last gigs before he went to work at a local college. Because, yeah, the only articles you can sell are hype.

dusty tusk
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Yeah, YouTube really is the place to get genuinely well crafted and researched content on just about anything

mild ether
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Still got to find the good YouTubers though but it is one of the only places to find decent well researched content.

neat sierra
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Yeah what game journalism site isn’t just a regurgitation of marketing copy these days? Are there any?

weary palm
latent galleon
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it is all just AI spam now

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google has already lost, and it will only get worse

dusty tusk
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Google is so useless now. I have to add Reddit to just about every search to get anything of value

latent galleon
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i won't even link that generic-ass article that says nothing about a video nobody watched

solemn marlin
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I tried googling what to do about chili in your eye, google is garbage, what happened?

latent galleon
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eek

solemn marlin
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Yea I also add reddit, otherwise you get search optimized ai bullshit listicles

mild ether
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The good thing is that people are starting to recognize this stuff is pure garbage which at least means new things have a chance.

solemn marlin
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Top 10 ways to remove chili in your eye! It's absurd, google wasn't like this even five years ago

neat sierra
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Try searching for something not current/relevant. An out of vogue programming language or some article you vaguely remember from years back.

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It’s so much worse now to find things

native mesa
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Oh yeah google (the search engine) is absolute dogshit now and they know it

wanton sun
# daring meteor Yeah Did he do anything special with the DDR3?

well, it depends what you call special. N64 needs 62.5Mhz * 72bits. Our ddr3 interface is 64bits. I get the additional 8 bits (or the 9th bit of each byte if you want) from sdram in parallel. Also the ddr3 is used at 125Mhz so the latency, which is random due to shared with HPS and Scaler, is shorter and bandwidth always enough. Maybe not super special but also not straightforward šŸ™‚

daring meteor
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Oh right the 9th bit is on SDRAM

latent galleon
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what kind of math is 9-bit bytes, come on nintendo

native mesa
#

Everything you do is special wizardry as far as I'm concerned

daring meteor
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Harry potter is only on PSX unfoutenatly

thorn flax
manic basin
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But we have Episode 1 Racer...and that's Wizard!

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Yuck. It felt bad typing it.

thorn flax
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it's no super bombad racing but it'll do

wanton sun
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the 9th bit was just on the ram, but they found a clever use of it: AA and higher accuracy Z buffer

dusty tusk
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Nintendo was trying to snap up the license at the time. Might explain the Argonaut connection

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There very well could be an N64 prototype of Harry Potter somewhere

solemn marlin
#

Playstation fanboys will never have that delicious 9th bit

wanton sun
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they just have a full mbyte of vram instead of 1 extra bit šŸ˜›

uncut gyro
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Sony definitely learned from N64 for all consoles after that, though: exotic memory is not be of the first core supply chain things figured out from then on

dusty tusk
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And full cd audio

uncut gyro
#

even the more accurate Z comes into play, putting Z/HB-based occlusion culling at the silicon level

dusty tusk
#

I really hope having a more easily accessible and accurate way to play N64 games will lead to more homebrew

latent galleon
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did most games use the same sound library like happened on the GBA?

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sound just seems like "good luck!" on the n64

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figure it out guys

wanton sun
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some of todays changes in one image šŸ™‚

daring meteor
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Knew it

quaint pewter
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holy heck on a handbasket

native mesa
#

Question. how does original hardware handle the pokemon gold and silver real time clock?

quaint pewter
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or something

native mesa
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is there an rtc in pokemon stadium ?

prisma ivy
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sweet corn bread and brisket! GB Transfer! Amazing! I won't ever use this but damn it's so cool that it is implemented

uncut gyro
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my child and I were at the sushi bar around the corner last night for dinner, and the people next to us had a deep discussion about the minigames in N64 PokƩmon titles

quaint pewter
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It must read time through the transfer pac?

prisma ivy
#

when can we expect a 4k remaster of Pokemon Blue/Red ?

uncut gyro
#

I managed to resist jumping in with YES BUT HAVE YOU HEARD OF MISTER???

quaint pewter
uncut gyro
#

is the purple water in DKR fixed/understood? That was one of the last ones I figured meant there’s still fundamental accuracy issues

toxic pumice
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I guess I'm playing Pokemon next then. šŸ™‚

desert crow
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šŸ§™ā€ā™‚ļø this guy is a wizard. sure you already knew that

wanton sun
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How to use transfer pak: load gameboy game first, Select transfer pak for controller 1 (only slot 1 supports it), then load n64 game. Gameboy saves are currently appended to the n64 save as 1 file

uncut gyro
#

any sample files we can just drop into place?

modern sleet
#

Grand Sorcerer

native mesa
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Nice how do we get the save off of it?

uncut gyro
#

does this workc it GB2P core as well?

native mesa
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or I guess, into it

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if we have a current save

wanton sun
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or append the GB save to the n64 save to recreate it

chilly pivot
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So, I can complete PokƩmon stadium! The rent PokƩmon in the game was absolutely dreadful.

dusty tusk
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Does it look in the Gameboy folder for games?

sly wasp
wanton sun
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i only tested german pokemon stadium 1 with pokemon rot(german red). Not all gameboy games are supported yet!

worn delta
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Oh wow, good work!

native mesa
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very cool

quaint pewter
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you have to concatenate a good save before you load it the first time, or you will have to play through it from the start in the tower in stadium?

dusty tusk
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Someone could probably make a script to move around Gameboy saves form core to core

lament escarp
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Too late to look at it today, but I'll take a look tomorrow. For today I only understand railway station.

worn delta
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Guess we could do with a list of what Gameboy games can be used in Transfer Pak and what mappers they use for testing

ember linden
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Would SNAC theoretically allow for a Transfer Pak in a controller to work without directly loading a GB/C file? Would be neat for Mario Artist and the Game Boy Camera

worn delta
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Will see if I can put something together this evening

ember linden
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I know that Mario Tennis/Golf use it

quaint pewter
cerulean elk
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Here we go again lol. Looks like I’ll be capturing today

daring meteor
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I think

dusty tusk
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Densha de go English allows you to insert the Gameboy games to unlock all routes

wanton sun
#

oh another hint: gb saves are only stored to sd card when transfer pak in system settings is on. Pokemon stadium does that with the database, but i don't know for other games

brisk edge
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Densha de Go, Super Robot Wars 64, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf and the Pokemon Stadium games are the ones I can think of that support the transferpak

solemn marlin
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You can get Huey in Mickey's speedway with it

fair stump
daring meteor
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Now only PD left to test haha

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(And Stadium 2 maybe)

dusty tusk
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They aren't very good, but the scale is pretty impressive I suppose

native mesa
#

I wonder if some of the pokemon rom hacks keep the same mapper or do they use different ones

worn delta
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I will add a tab to the sheet this evening for the transfer Pak games. Maybe a good soul will make a pack of them...

native mesa
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Guess we'll find out

dusty tusk
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Honestly nice to see such an unbelievably pain in the ass feature to be easily accessible.

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My dream of getting a surfing Pikachu is one step to becoming a reality

brisk edge
#

apparently mario artist let's you import gameboy camera images

solemn marlin
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You can also use it with Perfect Dark (there was a perfect dark gameboy game???) and unlock stuff but you only get cheats that you can already get beating the game

native mesa
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Is there a list of MBC5 games?

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Pokemon RBY i assume

ember linden
daring meteor
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Pokemon RBY, Perfect Dark, Micky's Speedway work

worn delta
#

The Transfer Pak is a removable accessory for the Nintendo 64 controller that fits into its expansion port. When connected, it allows for the transfer of data between supported Nintendo 64 (N64) games and Game Boy or Game Boy Color (GBC) games. By using the Transfer Pak, players can unlock additional content in compatible games; the PokƩmon Stad...

daring meteor
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Only GSC left to test but those aren't MBC5

dusty tusk
mellow path
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Kick Out The Jams, oh wait that's MC5

worn delta
#

There is a list there of the games that use Transfer Pak

wanton sun
#

GSC is MBC3 with RTC, a pain

worn delta
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Guys, there is no point in listing random games that use the MC5 mapper if they don't have a corresponding N64 game to interact with via the Transfer Pak

quaint pewter
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Penny Racers 2 is transfer pac? Choro-Q 2 that is.

brisk edge
native mesa
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Well hopefully you can double dip on the RTC logic?

daring meteor
#

Which RTC will be first

Animal Crossing
Or PokƩmon

ember linden
#

At least the cart conversions work for now

brisk edge
#

yeah, I still need to play through that adventure mode

dusty tusk
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If rtc takes too much space, just piggy back off of gsc through transfer pack elmorise

cerulean elk
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no intro set good for the GB pokemon on core? if anyone knows yet

daring meteor
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You just need Pokemon, not the entire set lol

native mesa
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Yeah might have to get me a gameboy flash cart with RTC

cerulean elk
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avoiding the R word cause rules

daring meteor
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RTLB

ember linden
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Huh. 64DD games, Animal Crossing, PokƩmon. Never really thought about how there were 3 different RTC implementations on N64

lament escarp
wanton sun
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that's the issue. You would think 1 RTC is enough, but each of them is different

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maybe a very small solution can be found in future

prisma ivy
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it would be fun if they made some connection between MM5 GB and MM64

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you insert MM5 into the transfer pak and you unlock a good Mega Man 64 game

lament escarp
worn delta
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Would each RTC implementation take up a sizable amount of space?

quaint pewter
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shame you can't automagically get it from main

cerulean elk
#

trying now. Lets see how it goes

crisp monolith
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What does an Unknown CIC type error when loading a GB ROM mean?

uncut gyro
#

@wanton sun do you have a working theory on the Diddy Kong Racing water effect/color bug?

wanton sun
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probably needs to be updated to ignore GB files

cerulean elk
#

hmm GB cart just comes up as ??? on Pokemon Statium Screen @wanton sun any thoughts?

crisp monolith
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Oh what file type does it need to be?

dusty tusk
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My theory is an alpha bug, since that's often what pink is used for in textures

wanton sun
cerulean elk
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F’ing sorcery!

dusty tusk
#

Doduo/Dotrio mode was a pretty convenient way to play through old games.

uncut gyro
# wanton sun not yet

I ask, because it seems like a texture:l/framebuffer sample timing accuracy issue that could underlie several other issues

quaint pewter
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I wish I could get my save off my Yellow cart but I don't have the hw to I don't think.

dusty tusk
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Curious if any of the all 151 hacks work with it.

desert crow
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I'm really happy for Robert, pretty sure transfer pak was one of his goals. such a unique feature.

dusty tusk
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Also, congrats on providing a better Pokemon stadium experience than Nintendo

crisp monolith
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Hmm none of my ROMs work

daring meteor
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Nintendo didn't even implement cpak

red blade
#

Robert is not a man, he's a machine! An unstoppable awesome machine!

cerulean elk
#

Shit is spot on 🤣

wanton sun
dusty tusk
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Further proof that the emulation hatred is a bit unwarranted

red blade
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That it makes you happy makes me even happier!

daring meteor
#

Technology is truly incredible

daring meteor
wanton sun
latent galleon
#

we wouldn't know anything about anything without decades of emulation research out there

wanton sun
#

no one alone can find out all that. You have to rely on what is already known and when you are lucky, you can give something back for the next. That's the best you can hope for with these newer consoles

quaint pewter
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RealityMan and Epsilon started this journey many moons ago.

ember linden
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This is cool but to support all of the Transfer Pak games in theory would that require a lot of mappers implemented that could take up a lot of space, or would it be negligible?

crisp monolith
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Can someone tell me what ROM I should be loading here?

cerulean elk
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Ooh fun

wanton sun
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hmm? what did you do?

cerulean elk
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loaded red after a core reset and used my save. Some interesting sprites

native mesa
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tilted the cartridge

cerulean elk
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saved blue, reset core, loaded red, selected transfer pak, loaded save game from BLUE into Red @wanton sun

quaint pewter
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gibber gibber

wanton sun
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reset core or reload core from?

cerulean elk
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reloaded core from core menu

dusty tusk
#

Guys...

daring meteor
#

Omg

cerulean elk
#

trying new game now

daring meteor
#

Is that Brian

wanton sun
#

you have 256kbyte savefile on your sdcard?

cerulean elk
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Id have to check after capture

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testing RED from freseh game now

native mesa
wanton sun
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well i'm sure others will also test tonight and report more bugs....i will leave for today. Better now šŸ™‚

cerulean elk
desert crow
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now we just got to hope he doesn't have to catch them all

cerulean elk
#

someone just message requested me and I accidentally hit ignore. Who was it? Sorry wanted to help you but hit the wrong button

desert crow
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it was probably Robby

cerulean elk
#

no @zinc dew just sends me photos of Guillermo

lament escarp
#

So the .gb files go in the n64 folder?

cerulean elk
lament escarp
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I wanna try if my pokemon romhack works on it, its based on red. šŸ˜„

cerulean elk
#

red, blue and yellow US no intro all test fine

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loading Pokemon into actual stadium now via cart feature

dusty tusk
#

I'd recommend making a sub folder for then

native mesa
#

Oh weird i gotta use the d-pad haha

quaint pewter
#

swap d-pad/analog should work?

native mesa
#

i don't mind using it, it's just rare for N64

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I thought the stadium gb emulator had a fastforward button

chrome quest
cerulean elk
#

all archive no intro versions booted for me?

native mesa
#

anyone else experiencing frequent 'loading' on the gb emulator?

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I'm doing it in pokemon stadium 2

mellow path
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Doduo and Dodrio mode

lament escarp
#

I tried a few romhacks, sadly the n64 knows and doesn't boot them.

chrome quest
lament escarp
#

So all that's missing is a script that moves the save data from the gb core and stitches it the the stadium savegame and reverse, right?

native mesa
#

that would work but I don't think the appended save files is the final implementation

chrome quest
#

Yeah, might be worth waiting a bit on the script. For now it seems you can only load one GB rom? Not sure if you could have 2 games?
Beyond attempting to replicate real hardware (where you could have 1-4 of any and all permutations of every Pokemon game for example), just having 2 games in simultaneously would get you at least all the features within the games.... I think

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There's a trade station, which is quite handy

native mesa
chrome quest
lament escarp
#

Feels great to have my lvl7 bulbasaur in statium!

native mesa
#

is the brand new lvl 5 pikachu not able to be registered for little cup? lol

quick arch
#

For Pokemon Stadium It is working just for the 2nd game ? (Pokemon Kin Gin JP version) ?
I tried Pokemon Stadium (PS and PS 2 JP version) the game is not recognized

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PS Kin Gin

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PS and PS 2 (JP version)

zinc dew
mortal panther
crisp monolith
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So do the games need to be archives rather than .gb?

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No, that’s doesn’t work. Can’t work out why no intro isn’t working for me.

vapid moat
#

Just woke up, gotta test my Shin Blue Version with this~

vernal orchid
#

what do you guys have mapped to open OSD with an n64 controller?

vapid moat
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I use D-Pad Down + R

vernal orchid
#

yeah that seems reasonable

vapid moat
#

^
MBC5 Mapper games

languid dune
worn delta
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OK, I have added a tab to the sheet for anyone who knows what they are doing and is wanting to test these out. What would be really useful is getting to know the mappers for all the GB carts listed. We may need to split these entries out where there are more than one cart that works with the game
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit#gid=622106067

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I'll fill in info section when I get some time but you can read how they are meant to work on wiki page linked

worn delta
#

Top chat in here to tonight I see...

crisp monolith
#

Can someone please give an explanation of which version of GB games I should be loading because this is driving me mad lol

languid dune
#

What is this sorcery about transfer pak support!? O_O

stone pilot
chrome quest
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Having no luck getting a regular cartridge save into the save structure sadly. Can't quite tell what's different.... If I pull a Core generate save out, emulators won't read it either.

lament escarp
crisp monolith
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I've tried RBY and none load

daring meteor
#

@worn delta is it fine to split Stadium 2 for RBY and GSC?

carmine kettle
#

trying to figure out the savefile

crisp monolith
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No intro

carmine kettle
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make sure you are using bluetooth or wire controller

quick arch
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@wanton sun Choro Q 64 2 (compatible with TPAK), the game doesn't start with the last update (black screen)

crisp monolith
daring meteor
worn delta
worn delta
#

For anyone who isn't testing but wants to be helping: we need to know the mappers for the GB carts listed there

native mesa
#

What does perfect dark do with the gb game?

worn delta
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Unlock four cheats on N64; these cheats can alternately be unlocked through standard gameplay without the use of the Transfer Pak.[18]
As the GBC version was not released in Japan, the Japanese release omits this feature.

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Details here for the games and what they do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_Pak

The Transfer Pak is a removable accessory for the Nintendo 64 controller that fits into its expansion port. When connected, it allows for the transfer of data between supported Nintendo 64 (N64) games and Game Boy or Game Boy Color (GBC) games. By using the Transfer Pak, players can unlock additional content in compatible games; the PokƩmon Stad...

quick arch
carmine kettle
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where should i put the savefile?

worn delta
quick arch
cerulean elk
#

and exporting. Will be a fun vid for tomorrow

compact depot
carmine kettle
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@cerulean elk what the step importing save file

cerulean elk
#

core is so new I am not sure if anyone has even imported one yet

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if ever there was a use for surprised Pikachu this is it lol

crisp monolith
#

@cerulean elk so you're using no intro? US versions?

topaz otter
#

Wait can't I use the perfect dark Gameboy game with the transfer pak

languid dune
chrome quest
#

I'm trying and failing. Comparing a fresh new game save file with MiSTer and GameBoy, they don't look the same. I'm not really sure what to make of it, but the save structure of the core might currently be different.
Unless some save structure experts in here can tell what is happening.
I can't make heads or tails of it, only that they look very different in HxD

topaz otter
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To unlock cheats in perfect dark

crisp monolith
#

Weird. They just don't work for me

cerulean elk
plush summit
crisp monolith
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'Unknown CIC type' with every file I try

plush summit
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@crisp monolith please read the pinned FAQ

crisp monolith
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Okay

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Can someone explain the correct format my dumped Pokemon Red should be in to load correctly?

cerulean elk
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uploading now for tomorrow. Have a setup guide for today since Ive been getting a lot of questions for it

carmine kettle
hybrid fulcrum
#

Anybody else reporting odd behavior with SNAC where it’s hitting A randomly and veering right while pressing ANY direction? Seeing it in latest build but did not see this in the 10/04 SNAC build

oblique remnant
crisp monolith
carmine kettle
#

that doesnt matter

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i get it all the time

crisp monolith
#

Oh so it's still loaded despite that error?

carmine kettle
#

yes

crisp monolith
#

lol okay

native mesa
oblique remnant
#

yeh I fully understand it

vapid moat
#

Regular Gen 1-games seeing working before is incredible though @wanton sun!!!

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Funny BTW to notice how GB Tower is modeled after a silver Gameboy Pocket

chrome quest
#

Attempts to combine a basic fresh Yellow save into Stadium 2 after generating in the GB core failed.
Probably some subtly I'm missing, or that Robert has yet to add.
He did note not all games would work, and seemed to have experimented with PokƩmon Rot

thorn flax
thorn flax
vapid moat
carmine kettle
#

pokemon gold works with stadium 2

native mesa
#

Yellow worked fine with me for a new save

chrome quest
#

A new save generated within the N64 core though?

native mesa
#

Is it possible there's a different endienness?

vapid moat
#

Check compatibility here first

daring meteor
#

Nah

vapid moat
chrome quest
# native mesa Yes

Yes, I was trying to combine an existing PokƩmon save from the GB core to the N64 save file. That's the hard part seemingly

daring meteor
#

If PokƩmon gold works than no need to check mapper

worn delta
#

Different versions of the same PokƩmon games released in different regions have different mappers

carmine kettle
carmine kettle
native mesa
#

Is there a combine tool in HxD?

native mesa
#

Also what happens without RTC?

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Does time stand still

hearty python
carmine kettle
thorn flax
#

looking at this, looks like english speakers have yellow, gold, silver.
german and French also have r/b

chrome quest
# thorn flax just stick to blue red green methinks

Just tested exporting a PokƩmon Rote (German) save out of Stadium 1 (German version), generated within the Gameboy tower of Stadium.
Similar issue, save files can't be read across. Not yet anyway....
Is anyone else trying to combiner/split GB saves from the N64 save?

pliant valve
#

English speakers have crystal, gold, silver.

carmine kettle
#

analog swap to dpad doesnt work

woeful beacon
zinc dew
#

Oh wait, SNAC is built into the core now?

#

I missed that line in the updates, until now

cerulean elk
broken cradle
#

you know i always wanted to ask this... i have the rtc module in my mister but no battery... does that mean i dont have rtc lol

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its always connected to the ethernet tho

zinc dew
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No battery means no RTC

carmine kettle
#

ohh it crashes gold version

elfin depot
#

I watch videos, nearly daily so I can keep up with the cores rapid progress. @zinc dew might help with mod duties, I think the guys channel is....MVG or something šŸ˜‰

zinc dew
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haha thank you

worn delta
cerulean elk
#

updated N64 setup guide goes live in 5. Gotta get more people playing and not waiting for Update_All

brisk edge
broken cradle
zinc dew
broken cradle
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another question is the linux driver for 3rd party n64 controllers is it for just nso or any non official, also where do i grab that/whats needed

vapid moat
cerulean elk
vapid moat
worn delta
#

RTC on N64 is confusing. There are three different implementations:
1 - for Japanese Animal Forest/Crossing game
2 - for 64DD add on
3 - for PokƩmon GB carts

cerulean elk
#

more casual MiSTer owners want to play N64 but it apparently seems daunting to do manual installs

hollow rune
broken cradle
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only thing i wish i knew what they did is in the sub menu's of the cores lol but i treat them as a if you dont know dont touch type of thing

cerulean elk
worn delta
#

Updating an ini file is daunting if you have never done anything like that before

cerulean elk
#

I kind of pick the most well known method to do anything and in this instance thats it

broken cradle
hollow rune
cerulean elk
broken cradle
cerulean elk
#

vid is loose! There are discord captures in there. Might be some familiar names šŸ™‚

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those that arent truncated by choice that is

fair stump
#

"Impossible core" in the title Muahaha

brisk edge
#

The only thing that has scared me is realizing you can just copy over a new MiSTer main file while it's running, but it has always worked just fine so 🤷

fair stump
#

Yeah, that's the actual scary part for me šŸ˜†

hollow rune
cerulean elk
brisk edge
#

Aside from editing config files that's probably the only really complicated thing I've ever had to do, but I can understand the trepidation and uncertainty of a lot of people to touch those things. :P but as a software developer I'm used to just breaking everything anyway and learning to fix it lol

broken cradle
#

unless its something like rename current one then drop in new one and then restart the mister

brisk edge
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Yeah that's what I meant, copying a new one over, and renaming it to be your new main. My instincts just trigger and I feel like that would break things , but I'm assuming the application is already loaded into memory so it's fine

prisma ivy
weary palm
#

Nothing can run on a modern computer without getting loaded into ram first.

vague socket
#

Any UK sellers for n64 SNAC?

lone geyser
#

Just don't lose power mid transfer (would need to be pretty unlucky unless your network bandwidth is horrific)

desert crow
night saddle
cerulean elk
vapid moat
#

Robert backstory

zenith orchid
#

Did someone really say this? I'm starting to think we should have a comparison chart between the most cycle accurate N64 emulator, and its hardware requirements to get a similar framerate, and the cost of a De10 nano. Not to mention the power consumption difference

weary palm
#

One thing that feels weird for me about the DE10 nano is how most of us turn it off just by cutting the power to it. šŸ˜› It still feels wrong when I do it.

brisk edge
#

That is true, that still feels a little wrong every time

cerulean elk
zenith orchid
#

I guess you would only be comparing the necessary specs to run the software at the same FPS

stone pilot
#

Honestly, don't worry about it - "real hardware" is one of those dumb conversations where the goalpost gets moved as soon as you clear it

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some people just like kershunking their real childhood cartridge into their real childhood console and will never be satisfied with any sort of simulation

daring meteor
#

It is no better
But that software emulator may very well not exist, especially when we're talking N64
It is probably possible but it doesn't exist

hollow rune
#

People of the internet, I played with N64. I know the N64. The N64 is a friend of mine. Software emulation, you're no N64 on the level of what I've experienced on MiSTer

weary perch
#

it's gonna depend on which game you play, but last time i tried Simple64 a few weeks ago, I couldn't get Excitebike 64 to run without occasional stuttering on my i7-8700K

stone pilot
#

I am very impressed with how well Robert has implemented the smeary-trash VI. I've never seen that in an emulator before.

weary perch
#

i also saw that using the ParaLLEl graphics + mupen64-plus-next for Battle for Naboo will cause a Steam Deck to choke

weary palm
#

Promise me to "sudo shutdown -h now" in the future, ok guys? šŸ˜‰

weary perch
#

so it's not trivial to run N64 accurately

night saddle
vague socket
weary perch
#

they are fixed, yes

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i've updated the compat list for that already

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outside of timing, WR64 seems close to perfect now

hollow rune
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I have a giant red switch in between the AC adapter and the powerstrip

hollow rune
cerulean elk
vague socket
weary perch
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the core in general is using "close enough" timing currently, there hasn't been a deep dive timing pass yet

zenith orchid
weary perch
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if you were to sync an N64 and the core currently, you'll see it start to drift after a bit

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you wouldn't notice unless you are A/Bing already, though

zenith orchid
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yeah it's still not cycle optimized.

cerulean elk
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I dunno why but I will not turn power off in a core. I always reboot to main OS menu. Dont ask me why...became a habit

pliant valve
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Well,you may need to at least go to a menu to save your sram.

zenith orchid
vague socket
weary palm
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I just got something similar to this for my AC adapter. šŸ™ƒ

cerulean elk
zenith orchid
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its a good practice for ao486 though, because that still requires a safe shutdown so as to not cause disk errors

pliant valve
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I did,it kept crashing. I ditched the switch and used the one built into the io board, never crashed again.

zenith orchid
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but on a real N64, you just shut out off right?

weary palm
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It's the Linux side of the SoC I feel sorry for. šŸ˜‰

zenith orchid
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ohh

hollow rune
weary perch
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there's this interesting situation currently where the core is legitimately in this "WIP/pre-alpha" state ...BUT it also runs a majority of the library nigh-flawlessly now lol. absolutely wild. like if you tell someone "it's still in development, lots of work left to be done" they'll get a certain idea of things. but if they sit down with like a solid majority of the compatible games they will not be able to distinguish from hardware

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both things are true, it's just a funny little mindfuck

hollow rune
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The game desk is a real mess today...

cerulean elk
dusty tusk
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Robert really wanting that surfing pikachu

zenith orchid
cerulean elk
dusty tusk
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What the hell is going on with that plug?

zenith orchid
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srg320 focused on making the core feature complete, which he did. now that its in beta, he's addressing the most severe issues first. Robert goes about it with an emphasis on the most fun and rewarding tasks

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So it likely won't be feature complete until the very end

hollow rune
# weary palm

If I did that I would be a terrible monster. I might love the MiSTer more than my family.

weary palm
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Do we really consider this core pre-alpha or even alpha?

cerulean elk
cerulean elk
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"no panda thats enough for today".....hammer time!

weary palm
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Currywürst fürst

cerulean elk
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@hollow rune I love this inner monologue I have for panda. My imagination can run wild with stories it makes up

dusty tusk
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to be fair, Robert's method makes it way easier to get feedback and bug fixing early on

zenith orchid
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alpha traditionally means feature complete, though with severe issues.

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its not feature complete yet, and some games even without TLB just don't work

weary palm
zenith orchid
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its a really enjoyable pre-alpha if you ask me

weary palm
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What the hell is a beta then?

zenith orchid
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yeah, beta is typically the next step, when most severe issues are fixed and its ready for marketing demonstrations and public testing

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in theory thats where Saturn is currently

weary palm
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I usually call that release candidate or 1.0 something. TIL

hollow rune
dusty tusk
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beta is feature complete. Alpha is working toward's that

weary perch
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yeah i think you could make a case for anything from pre-alpha to beta based on how you interpret that, i'm just thinking about feature completeness, so pre-alpha > alpha (feature complete) > beta (bugfixing) > RC > stable

zenith orchid
hollow rune
zenith orchid
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Haha yep, that about sums it up

dusty tusk
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pre-alpha: concept or prototype
alpha: basically the product but unfinished
beta: basically finished, but buggy
rc: feature locked, and in testing phase
release: ready to for the day 1 patch

zenith orchid
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for instance, the Saturn core doesn't have lightgun support yet.. so technically it isn't feature complete

weary palm
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Most "alpha" stuff you find online is far from complete. Isn't it up to Robert to set the definition of done for this core? Does it have to have for example mouse support to be considered done and out of beta stage?

hollow rune
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I hate how long it takes to get going on Pokemon Blue

weary palm
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Most software you can keep on improving almost indefinitely.

weary palm
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Yoda is my favorite PokƩmon

hollow rune
zenith orchid
dusty tusk
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the core hit rc when robert got quest 64 working, everything else is just a bonus

zenith orchid
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Personal projects from people who never worked in the software industry tend to do that because they only see them as mere labels

weary palm
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But Robert decides what features to put in and what to leave out, at least for now.

hollow rune
weary palm
zenith orchid
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Yeah, all of Roberts builds are most accurately labeled "test builds"

dusty tusk
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Yeah, once he goes public, it's all ready to test

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Pretty stable builds overall

zenith orchid
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Yeah, he goes for the most noticeable issues first generally

eternal island
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not only working, but completable

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.. unfortunately

zenith orchid
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Which is awesome for us, we can enjoy the core sooner than later

eternal island
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felt horrible. my buddy was playing quest 64 the entire time while i was playing chained echoes

thorn flax
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looks like a pc tool called PikaSav might be useful for folks wanting to create some ideal teams for use in red thru crystal

dusty tusk
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Definately follows the Romero school of thought

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I absolutely love software emulation, but the lag is real whether people want to admit it or not

fiery yarrow
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hey all maybe I missed this, is the N64 core not currently working through analog VGA out?

vapid moat
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Also works via MikeS's Composite/S-Video Adapter

solemn marlin
dusty tusk
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Pretty sure quite a few people here have been playing on their TVs

fiery yarrow
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ok good to know, maybe need to recheck my setup

chilly ember
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Works for me for component

fiery yarrow
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i dropped the core in an N64 folder and nothing else, is that enough to get going?

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the core runs, it's just blank and never boots into the game

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so i thought maybe it was a video related issue

formal elk
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You need a bios and the N64-database.txt file

fiery yarrow
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ah got it

hollow rune
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I did not have a successful save via the Transfer Pak

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Not sure if I did it wrong

dusty tusk
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#1096015979055697940 message

I would just do this so you can set it and forget it

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not sure if it grabs bios though

rose elbow
weary palm
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ā— Alpha software is not thoroughly tested by the developer before it is released to customers.
ā— Alpha software may contain serious errors, and any resulting instability could cause crashes or data loss.
ā— Alpha software may not contain all of the features that are planned for the final version.

fiery yarrow
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very sorry if this is a dumb question, is the n64 boot.rom something i need to source myself?

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because everythign i'm reading says the N64 never had a bios, and no real mentions of a boot.rom-type file out there

deep ore
#

mm is there some sort of trick to get starwars racer running?

vapid moat
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Wonder if hacking Pokemon Stadium to have no header check for roms be possible?

dusty tusk
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pifdata.bin is a good place to startMuahaha

latent galleon
#
N64brew Wiki

The PIF-NUS (or PIF, or PIF(P)-NUS on PAL) manages multiple critical functions of the N64 console. It is a physical microchip found on the console's motherboard, which is based on the Sharp SM5 Microcontroller. It is not clear whether SGI or Nintendo intended this to stand for "Peripheral InterFace" or not. While the naming is unintuitive, the P...

eternal island
dusty tusk
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Different games have different tolerances as well. Most games it's fine

eternal island
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i do notice a lot of ps2 games just have a ton of input lag in general though

dusty tusk
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I find Dreamcast emulation lag makes playing thps pretty rough

eternal island
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haven't played much dc emulation to say anything

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i wonder why i havent tried dc emulation much...

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i never really even thought of it til you just said it

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need to get on that

dusty tusk
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Luckily I'm sure Robert would love to work on a Dreamcast core next osheet

eternal island
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i don't even know what the go to would be for that one

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which emulator handles that best currently i wonder

latent galleon
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there is really only one

latent galleon
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somebody is going to correct me but i will ignore it

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@rose elbow it is fine, i already linked to multi-paragraph wiki entry describing pif rom in detail

rose elbow
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PIF!

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PIF is the key word

dusty tusk
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Flycast and redream are the two active ones

latent galleon
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ignore cecil, there is only flycast

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shoot, i was going to ignore cecil...i really boned that up

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redream is 2023's bleem

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"bleem!"

desert crow
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snac transferpak shenanigans. look for "Standalone Stadium GB Emulator"

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loaded from the real cart, but can probably do virtual tpak as well

latent galleon
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Applied to a USA version of Pokemon Stadium 2, this patch isolates the GBC emulator and extends the number of titles it potentially supports. You should be able to play most GB carts through the transfer pak, poorly.

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oh. no.

dusty tusk
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Honestly, the Doduo and Dotrio modes were the only reason I played Pokemon on N64

latent galleon
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that is so much sillier than scummvm

weary beacon
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Only silly because it doesn't have a n64 tie in bonus.

dusty tusk
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The schematics are out there. Ims till waiting for one of you to print out Pokemon snap photos

compact depot
prisma ivy
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Sometimes I feel like this channel is more general than general is. That is not a complaint btw

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I'm on this sever mostly for the N64 hype train the last few weeks so this is where I spend most of my time

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And sprinkled in amongst the N64 talk is just general MISTer stuff. Its lovely

chrome quest
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Transfer Pak working as well as it is already is absolutely amazing. So excited to check on here each day.

weary beacon
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is pokemon crystal working?

chrome quest
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Going to have to see if Robert had parsed out the GB saves from the N64 himself because hours later, I've dug into GB PokƩmon save edits, Hex reading, hacking. Nowhere can I see how the appended 32KB within 128KB of N64 save works..... But clearly it does!

chrome quest
# weary beacon is pokemon crystal working?

I think above some intermittent success with Gold, but by Roberts notes on the chips, they are not yet supported. Don't think anyone had reported success of any kind with Crystal specifically

marble cargo
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PokƩmon Crystal is the only one that is a Game Boy Color exclusive, so it likely uses a completely different mapper.

weary beacon
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It's the best version that works with the game so of course I bought it.

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How about yellow? I have that too. I could play that again and transfer to crystal later when it works if I buy another transfer pak I think.

viscid quiver
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I thought the transfer pak had a weak connection and could have issues?

dusty tusk
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Curious if the 151 hack works

viscid quiver
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I just want to know if we can get the SM64 with the gun working.

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I just saw that. That is Crazy!!!!

dusty tusk
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I don't think mario with a gun is released yet

weary beacon
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says auto detect failed still but yellow booted, and quickly.

plush summit
prisma ivy
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Yoshi Safari 64
The fools at Nintendo could've made.... Hundreds of dollars worldwide

dusty tusk
plush summit
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Literal drive-bys with Yoshi

dusty tusk
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You aren't prepared for that video

viscid quiver
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I will watch this I am very interested

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Yes I like it!

marble cargo
weary beacon
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Someone can test on the core?

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This works on N64 hardware, though for the best framerate and graphical effects, play on ParaLLEl

desert crow
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That hack does work with virtual tpak also

marble cargo
chilly ember
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Wideboy is supported now?

solemn marlin
dusty tusk
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where is the mario defacer?

rose elbow
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this one? @dusty tusk #1096015979055697940 message

dusty tusk
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That's it thanks!

worn delta
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Understandably has been a lot of excitement being able to get PokƩmon running today. Reposting this snapshot from the testing sheet, if anyone is interested in helping out figuring out what mapper each of these GC games use so we can see what else should work, and what mappers would be needed if we were to go for full support.

weary beacon
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loading a gameboy game first causing the n64 rom to load slowly.

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save worked with yellow.

desert crow
marble cargo
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How exactly do those games even work anyway? Is it based on the mapper, or the header of the ROM?

worn delta
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No idea, but for starters it would be good to find out the mapper of the specifically listed games.

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Or confirm they don't have a mapper

worldly quartz
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Man so glad that transfer pak emulation was able to be put in (don't even own gb carts for my n64)

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does that mean there's no worries about logic running out for TLB?

worn delta
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Are there any tools you can load a GB ROM into to get details for like you can with NES?

solemn marlin
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We need to go one step deeper.. there's a pc engine emulator for the n64 and then there's a gameboy emulator (hu-boy) for the pc engine

dusty tusk
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Assuming it's accurate

worn delta
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Yeah I grabbed a few from there but most on the sheet are missing sadly

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It is possible Mario Tennis and Mario Golf GB may have no mapper and work (although not sure those N64 games work yet)

viscid quiver
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We

eternal ravine
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Wait so now we'll never get TLB and I can't play Conker because you guys wanted GB within N64 support

desert crow
viscid quiver
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We will be able to have a secret Game boy emulator in PokƩmon stadium on N64 core

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Absolute legends

worn delta
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Ah no, Mario Tennis and Golf require TLB

desert crow
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that hack gives info about type, that is mario tennis

dusty tusk
worn delta
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I would be surprised if there wasn't a tool or way to check the mapper, seems like by now that would exist

eternal ravine
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Are there any of the 3D platformers that allow you to play in first person view? As opposed to only letting you control the camera to look around

desert crow
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I'm sure there is moondandy

dusty tusk
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Shotgun Mario works just fine, also adds widescreen

marble cargo
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Shotgun Mario really feels like one of those old flash games. Back when we thought giving random characters realistic guns was peak fiction.

dusty tusk
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Luckily Shotgun mario has no faces to speak of

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it just works ā„¢ļø

stiff condor
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I've always dreamed of an SM64 rom hack that was the original game just with more things to do, more levels, secrets, and what not.

rapid prairie
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On the 10.23 build neither StarCraft 64 or Star Wars Episode I Racer no longer boot for me. Anyone else running into this?

worn delta
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Someone said Choro Q 64 has stopped booting also

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Maybe that there have been some regressions from Transfer Pak implementation

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If someone can ping Robert in the morning so he is aware if this is the case

trim seal
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Ep 1 racer still boots fine for me

dusty tusk
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Shotgun mario is a little unstable but it works

quaint pewter
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I just had a game of command and conquer. panda had it as playable in the sheet but it froze up after completing the first mission. I dont know if that was random or what.

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pal version btw

trim seal
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Did a race in Ep 1 racer works fine for me, Starcraft is booting fine as well and in game.

fair stump
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Ep 1 racer works for me as well

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Maybe try rebooting your mister and reloading?

dusty tusk
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Yeah, if multiple games stop booting the core likely needs a restart

fair stump
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Starcraft loaded for me as well. That menu looks so good now chefkiss

rapid prairie
trim seal
rapid prairie
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Yeah lots of other games I would test are fine

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Those two no longer boot for me though

trim seal
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I mean you've tried other games since getting the black screens on those?

rapid prairie
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Yeah

dusty tusk
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Wife just walked in, "Why does Mario have a gun?"

trim seal
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Hm. Edge case with hardware variation? Or maybe you might try replacing your database file again?

rapid prairie
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On a side note did we know the scroll in shadows of the empire was working along with the intro?!

fair stump
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Shadows has looked good for a bit now I believe

rapid prairie
#

That’s awesome. Been about a month since I tried it last. This core moves so quickly!

carmine kettle
#

this emulator hack its awesome

solemn marlin
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I wonder if AI could do like a classic mario 64 render but making him holding a gun, it'd really sell it

carmine kettle
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pokemon gold/silver crashes on hack emulator

fair stump
#

There aren't any translations out there for the Power Pro Baseball games, are there?

dusty tusk
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these woud both make good cover art for the hack

quaint pewter
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Tried C&C again, and replicatable freeze... Can someone else please give me a confirmation that Command & Conquer, both NTSC and PAL crash if you press start in a mission. Thanks. Did the pause menu come up in previous cores?

fair stump
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I'll take a look

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New game picked the left option and was able to pause and unpause as this boat is shooting some stuff on land. Usa rom, 10/23 core

quaint pewter
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odd. I cold booted the mister to make sure it wasn't something in ram, but both versions freeze for me when you press start

fair stump
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Looks like I completed the first mission

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Got the short cutscene and results screen

quaint pewter
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I don't know if we have some different settings but I can't get it working here. I have database and default core settings. :/

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but it's a problem for me another day as it's gone 2am lol

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thanks for looking

fair stump
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Yeah, I've never played it so there shouldn't be anything special going on on my side

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I have definitely had one off issues that only happened to me then resolved themselves

viscid quiver
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Could have some coofy ram

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Never know....

agile saddle
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patched mario 64 but still not getting past the black screen

zinc dew
#

#1096015979055697940 message

plush summit
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Okay, cant say if this was a freak occurrence but after using the Transfer Pak and Pokemon Red, my SD Card stopped being read

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I deleted the .sav file for Red and suddenly it works again?

agile saddle
zinc dew
# agile saddle

Yeah should work fine, might be your rom. I’d also try the patches I linked.

desert crow
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mario 64 will give colored speckles on the top quarter of screen if you don't patch

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Did Robert load the first game from a cart on mister over the weekend?

zinc dew
agile saddle
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Yea same error

zinc dew
desert crow
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look for a .bps, think that will tell you that the rom is wrong

dusty tusk
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Or the defacer program

agile saddle
half venture
#

yo guys I can't save my rayman 2 games 😭 what gives!

agile saddle
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With the ips it matches but with the bps it doesn't

dusty tusk
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Try to find a z64 copy

zinc dew
half venture
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aren't there n64 to z64 websites?