Nintendo 64

[chilly ember]

Sim city might but i can't find any solid info on whether it does officially or not lol.

Speaking of the guy who stops skeletons fighting from fighting

https://youtu.be/38u010d02E8?t=472

[brisk edge]

seems like the Mario Artist games have a graphic on the back to show mouse support, I didn't see one on Sim City 64 so if it does support it, it's not officially documented

Japan Pro Golf Tour 64 also lacks it so, I doubt it has support

[zinc dew]

I support the N64 mouse

[orchid nimbus]

starcraft

[zinc dew]

It’s better on the N64

[marble cargo]

https://youtu.be/GC_jLsxZ7nw?si=3jZgp3GpRUIqtFUQ

[chilly ember]

Starcraft on n64? More like StarRaft

[vapid moat]

WHAT DID YOU SAY

[orchid nimbus]

I'm going to make reaction videos on @cerulean elk's videos with over the top drama and then tell my audience why he's wrong

[prisma ivy]

Meee too. I also support a theoretical open source, 3D printed N64 light gun

[zenith orchid]

@night saddle that's the one I was talking about. with the ability to remap controls, and dual mapping, a lot of games could in theory be playable with mouse and controller. I hope it'll be a thing one day 🙏

[cerulean elk]

Hahaha do it

[languid dune]

If you don't listen to the entirety of the DK rap every single time you boot up Donkey Kong 64, are you really playing Donkey Kong 64?

[chilly ember]

Its donkey kong 64, means you listen to that rap at least 64 times before you die

[cerulean elk]

I wish someone would make a video saying they actually hate me so I can go into the comments section, leave a 🤷🏻‍♂️ and never say anything again lol

[ember linden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1nYbkbUMUr1KSvt2gT2tnnS3u7_Q7k_RmfiDz8GFTwMY/htmlview#gid=0

[stiff condor]

I assume that DK64 tag anywhere ROM hack works as well as the stock ROM?

[ember linden]

Dezaemon 3d needs to be corrected with mouse support being Yes

Just noticed that

It was planned for the DD so they added mouse support, they just never mention it

[ember linden]

I worked on this after moondandy posted it here asking for help updating it

[vapid moat]

Some seams on the textures bit visible here

Dunno if already a known issue

[brisk edge]

I've completed Gloomy Galleon with it and I'm working on the forest now. Only issue I ran into was one of the mini games had no music, but I haven't run into that mini game again to see if it still occurs (it was the fly swatting mini game)

Everything else has been great

[stiff condor]

Good to know, thanks for the info

[orchid nimbus]

did you verify it against real hardware?

[vapid moat]

Don't own it

[mossy needle]

Weird! The fly swatting mini game was fine for me. There are like 5 of them in the whole game because rareware got kinda lazy with some of the challenges

[brisk edge]

yeah, music was fine in all of the other ones, and it was definitely on a much older core where it happened so I haven't been able to check it again

[mossy needle]

The only problems I ran into with DK 64 and I 101%-ed on core was timing vine swinging was weird since the game timing is a bit off, some of the timed games specifically the one donkey kong does at the very end of the game when he needs to kill Kremlings in a certain amount of time. The time moves normal but the spawning of enemies takes a bit too much time. And the Krool battle with Chunky is super hard because the timing is off.

[orchid nimbus]

I know 😄

[rose elbow]

pro strats you can run across Hyrule Field by holding up and OSD and then put the controller down for a nice rest

[chilly ember]

Bonus points if you run backwards because that's even faster

[rose elbow]

only works on the joystick i think lol

Majora's Mask looks so nice. never seen the N64 look this good.. it's still blowing my mind seeing this on MiSTer 😅

[chilly ember]

The core is coming along amazingly

I never ever imagined that the first time I finished superman 64 would be on the mister. I never have otherwise but it is beautiful

If the really shit games are running to completion, the core is in a great state imo

[rose elbow]

oh wow

the bomber's note book change in resolution is even more brutal on my end than Resident Evil

wait no it's not nevermind. same difference

dont mind me lol

[stiff condor]

Majora's Mask Redux is the definitive version for me

[rose elbow]

ooo

the hacks that implement d-pad items is so clever

wild nintendo never thought of that

[stiff condor]

I even made a custom cart for it

[lilac scroll]

Wait what does the dpad do normally again?

[rose elbow]

absolutely nothing!

[lilac scroll]

Well that’s quite dumb

[lament escarp]

To be fair on a n64 controller L and the dpad are not in reach when using the stick and the c buttons. But I think L still toggles the mini map in dungeons.

[rose elbow]

ya especially with Ocarina and the iron boots, or Majora and all the masks. the extra options wouldve been nice

[lament escarp]

For sure, but I can also understand Nintendo not wanting to not add to the confusion on how to hold the controller, given there are still people who complain about not having 3 hands.

[chilly ember]

https://mynintendonews.com/2009/11/27/nintendo-eiji-aonuma-sorry-for-zelda-water-temple/

[lament escarp]

Imagine he'd just say "git gud" and made you put on the iron boots separately for each foot in the next game. 😄

[languid dune]

He said that with a heavy heart.

[solemn maple]

Awesome video, well worth a watch.

[hybrid fulcrum]

Has there been a new N64_SNAC core compiled since October 4th?

[manic basin]

I love Joel Haver so much.

[iron dove]

no I believe that's the latest one @hybrid fulcrum

Robert has been making some recent changes with the way the core communicates with controller paks which ties into blue1!'s work with SNAC, so very likely good things to come but will take some time/work

at least that's my understanding 🙂

[hybrid fulcrum]

Sounds good enough to me! There’s just so much volume in this channel, there’s a whole bunch of stuff that didn’t answer that specific question. Thank you for the reply!

[wanton sun]

blue1 works on it and made some serious progress, but it will still take some time

[hollow rune]

Want some real Vaseline? Run OG hardware through the RetroTink 2x Mini. The process itself justifies the MiSTer because it is a disaster of cables. But I can do NTSC references for 2 dozen games.

This is without the RT2x's blur mode on which makes it look a touch better

Composite makes it impossible to see the transition to ugly Mario

[weary palm]

I have a GBS-Control, I think it's even blurrier. 🙂

[oblique remnant]

I couldn't really tell the difference between my RGB modded console via OSSC Profile and the mistercore (bilinear off). only in some static analog noise. it seems that my old RGB mod enable deblur aswell and can keep up quiet good without HDMI mod.

[tulip coral]

Is the Mario64 crash after losing all lives a TLB issue, dodgy patch or does anyone else get this?

[wanton sun]

TLB, because it brings you back to the face screen

there are patches that also remove that

if that happens for me (of course only when the kids play!) i just reset the game in OSD and go on

[lilac scroll]

The
Last
Build

[worldly quartz]

My svideo +r5x looks horrible compared to that

[oblique remnant]

can't say I've never used SVideo but should be pretty close aswell. The FBX OSSC Profile really helps in deblur (some kind of image shifting ?!) technically the RT5x should be able to do that aswell with the right settings

[mild ether]

I thought one of yxkalle made a patch that fixed the SM64 face TLB after losing all your lives.

Original patch and the ones I made just fix the first face on boot.

[versed cairn]

Yeah, I think cause both sets of patches are on Vampier’s FAQ page and yours are on top they’re the most used

[whole yarrow]

it would be great if i can mapping all buttons for separate games, for ex. MK4 and MKT one bind, for other games another bind

[versed cairn]

Does any core have that? Cool idea

[mild ether]

Finally got a crash out of Dr Mario. Game froze but music still playing.

[pale granite]

you can usr MGL files to boot each game, then save the config

[tulip coral]

Thank you

[whole yarrow]

atm i guess no

[whole yarrow]

hmm, need to figure out

[pale granite]

    <rbf>_console/psx</rbf>
    <file delay="1" type="s" index="1" path="dummy.chd"/>
</mistergamedescription>```

something like this but change for the n64 core

[mild ether]

Try yxkalle's patch. He patched that as well. I just made patches for the boot TLB face.

[whole yarrow]

psx is n64, and dummy.chd name of the game file?

[pale granite]

yep

[whole yarrow]

which path is located for?

[pale granite]

think type should be f

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/#mgl-format

I think path is relative to the N64 folder

[whole yarrow]

no info about delay and index

[spare meadow]

Is this (the withe triangle) a normal thing to happen in Zelda Ocarina of Time ?

[sharp linden]

Bought myself a Retro-bit N64 wirered controller, works great besides having a horrible d-pad.
But having a super sensitive analog stick, any way to tune the analog input or sens?

[wanton sun]

it's a play button that tells you to start the game instead of watching the intro for so long

honestly, no idea, probably a bug

[pale granite]

@whole yarrow

I got it to work, you need to make a new games folder (per config you want to save)

then add the rom and database,

and the file looks like this:

    <rbf>_console/n64</rbf>
    <setname>n64waverace</setname>
    <file delay="1" type="f" index="0" path="Wave Race 64 (USA).n64"/>
</mistergamedescription>```

if you don't use "setname" you can keep everything in the usual N64 folder. I'm setting it here to allow changing the config separately

[whole yarrow]

alright, i need it only for 2 MK games

cuz layout to my 8bitdo or dualshock identical

[pale granite]

you can store the files in a _Favorites folder

[rose elbow]

it's not on original hardware but getting the triangle here too on mister build

[worldly quartz]

so if I want 4 port snac, is it only through snax?
I've seen claims of 4 port support but haven't found a 4 port snac being sold

Like I only care about transfer pak and vru

shopping around for saturn and n64 snac but only have generic ps1 snacs

[viscid quiver]

Correct me if wrong

[vagrant ivy]

Ok you are wrong

[viscid quiver]

Can't we adapt this SNES mouse somehow?

[worldly quartz]

I mean, if it gets generic mouse support and there's an snes mouse to usb probably

direct snac won't work

[viscid quiver]

Okay because these are only like $20. And I am sure that maybe there's a way to just use a USB mouse.

[worldly quartz]

since it's a different console

[vagrant ivy]

you can never attach a SNES controller to a N64 through Snac

[viscid quiver]

I just wouldn't recommend people seriously try and track down the oem mouse unless they just gotta have it.

[vagrant ivy]

if you had a daemonbite then you could do it

assuming the daemonbite code knew how to handle the mouse

much easier would be a standard USb mouse and then use that in the N64 core

[viscid quiver]

My concern is how will an infared mouse play compared to what I presume is a trackball mouse for the n64

[vagrant ivy]

Trackball mice sucked

Optical mice are vastly superior

people didnt use trackball for fun it was the only thing available

[viscid quiver]

I wonder if it would result in weird gameplay due to being different. One way to find out.

I think with the SNES there is a YouTube video illustrating this. That it maybe struggles on mario paint compared to the OG.

[vagrant ivy]

I use optical mice on my Real Amiga. Its just better than a ball mouse

I have the original ball mouse but its slower, more prone to picking up hair etc etc

[viscid quiver]

For sure. We have the technology

[vagrant ivy]

The purpose of the mouse is to send x,y to the system

you can turn optical mice sensitivity right down if you feel you must

[mild ether]

Yep, Dr Mario has a random freeze in it now. Game freezes and music keeps playing.

Has been rock solid in earlier builds.

[mild ether]

We can rebuild him!

[viscid quiver]

It is sad N64 never got an official Arkanoid game.

[zinc dew]

Correct. SNAX64 is the only known option that works for 4-player N64 with SNAC.

[wanton sun]

since when?

[mild ether]

I am not sure what build it started in I will go back to the last build and see if it's there. It's really random and takes a while to hit.

Happens in story mode if anyone else is interested in helping out.

[wanton sun]

sorry, have to spoiler, so excited, haha 😆

all work by @desert crow actually my inaccurate PIF implementation was all that prevented it, but it seems fixed now

[mellow terrace]

Super Gameboy???

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-animals-cute-dance-gif-3953472

[hollow rune]

transfer pak!

[wanton sun]

pokemon stadium with transfer pak via snac

[mellow terrace]

Sweet!!!

[zinc dew]

AWESOME

[lament escarp]

Finally we don't have to play on that pesky gameboy core anymore!

[zinc dew]

I have a transfer pak + original Gameboy games to test!

@desert crow is awesome!!!

[lament escarp]

I take it simulated tranfer pak is still far away?

[hollow rune]

I have them too. Who can I pay to get a SNAC adapter. I also have Mario Golf so I can be an amazing tester!
Hides desperation for an N64 SNAC adapter

[worldly quartz]

oh so it's another thing? Guess I'll be buying the generic saturn one then and wait for this one

[oblique remnant]

there was something wrong with this Stage 4-1 in Mischief Makers. Actually the rolling boulder is invisible on mister. If you're too slow it blocks the exit and I was never sure why 😄 here is a pic from original n64

[worldly quartz]

I only have a transfer pak and I only use it to export Gameboy camera pics

[zinc dew]

There might be other options, I’m not sure. I do know that @graceful radish is working on a SNAX64 adapter which is close to being done.

[zinc dew]

If you have the PS1 SNAX adapter and an N64 adapter cable it will work! 🍻

[marble cargo]

Probably a bug with how they're rendered, as those same boulders in the intro also fail to load.

[oblique remnant]

by intro you mean demostage or where exactly?

[marble cargo]

The intro.

The cutscene before you even get to the title screen.

[hollow rune]

Can I get those in the EU easily?

[zinc dew]

I think so? I believe there are EU vendors that sell PS1 compatible SNAC adapters that should also support N64.

I woke up this morning and I realized that I am the and my hands are the transfer pak.

think about it

[pale granite]

so whats the recommended gamepad for the N64 core? my OG controllers are a bit wonky and need repair..

[marble cargo]

I use the NSO N64 controller and it has worked fine for me. I heard the 8bitdo N64 controller is also a solid alternative.

[pale granite]

you mean the modkit?

[hollow rune]

I;ve been thinking about this since you posted it and I still don't know what this means

[zinc dew]

The Bluetooth NSO controller that Nintendo sells is the most faithful but it’s difficult to purchase one and it requires you to be subscribed to Nintendo’s online pass. It also has poor Bluetooth latency (but it’s serviceable imo).

There are third party N64 wireless controllers that use 2.4Ghz and have very low latency but their analog stick gates aren’t accurate and requires an unstable Linux driver to function in the core correctly. Most popular brand name is Saffun but they are Chinese clones so they’re all the same.

[pale granite]

thanks - I saw a few cheap Chinese clones but I worry about the quality. I think a friend of mine has those, so I can test them out

[toxic pumice]

Tribute64 is my go-to at the moment and seems to be working almost perfectly out of the gate.

[cerulean elk]

Ive had nothing but luck with the Brawler 64 NSO

[stiff condor]

The 8bitdo mod kit seems to function fine too

[native mesa]

Is Pokemon stadium 2 better than 1?

[gloomy cape]

Blast Corps is fully completable. All gold medals. There are platinum medals available after completion, but these are ridiculously difficult.

[carmine kettle]

hope virtual transfer pak in the work but if not that oh k

[silent marten]

So do I

[worldly flint]

BattleTanx is my most wanted non-working game. Shame it requires TLB.

[toxic pumice]

Gauntlet Legends here, my wife and I are both waiting for this one. 😄

[topaz otter]

@wanton sun hey I just had a thought, what happens with something like the gameshark on the core. Because on the actual n64 the gameshark sits between the N64 and the cartridge. It boots its own rom first, and can actually switch between the gameshark and the running game with a button press

it also provides the easiest way to transfer data between memory paks because its got a built in program

[hollow rune]

Is this on PSX?

[toxic pumice]

ooooo did it get a PSX version?

(just checked and apparently it did!)

to be fair we could also emulate the arcade version and I could just hook my laptop up to the telly as well, but still.

[cerulean elk]

@toxic pumice please dont hook things up to Telly without permission first

[toxic pumice]

u wot

[native mesa]

Are there any Pokemon crystal QOL ROM hacks that work with Pokemon stadium 2?

[mortal panther]

"Who loves ya, baby?"

[cerulean elk]

glad SOMEONE knew Telly Savalas lol

[mortal panther]

I was born in '71. 🤣

[cerulean elk]

haha makes more sense now

[native mesa]

Pokemon crystal clear seems to be one

[fierce garden]

Is there any latency data using mister and the nso controller somewhere? I don’t see the an entry yet on the Rpubs Input Latency sheet yet. I’ve got one myself, seems pretty damn good.

[marble cargo]

I would say they're on par with each other. Pokémon Stadium 2 has the benefit of having the Johto Pokémon and the mechanics updated to match the generation 2 games, but it has minor issues like battles being slower due to the more complex animations creating more lag and the rentals being dogshit.

[wanton sun]

Gauntlet Legends is on PSX, but not the same game. If you liked the N64 version you will be disappointed

[toxic pumice]

Good to know.

[wanton sun]

e.g. way less mobs, but to make it harder, generators will recover over time

you cannot sell stuff, only buy

[toxic pumice]

Youch. Wasn't aware there were so many substantial differences. I did just check some youtube footage out and it just doesn't look quite right

[zinc dew]

People who use the Tribute or Brawler controllers are deviants and shouldn’t be trusted.

[toxic pumice]

Ain't nothing wrong with the tribute at all. 😛

[marble cargo]

Playing Mischief Makers with the SEGA Dreamcast fishing rod controller to rebel against society.

[toxic pumice]

heheheh

I need to give Mischief Makers another shot, I didn't get into it much.

[vapid hawk]

the tribute64 2.4g is excellent

and the analog stick range mapping stuff is all in stable now

[zinc dew]

Deviant!!!!

[mortal panther]

The PS version of Gauntlet Legends was by far my least favorite. It wasn't even 4-player. I thought the Dreamcast version was the most faithful to the arcade version, but the N64 version was my favorite to play.

[toxic pumice]

The Dreamcast was the first time I'd played it, I think we had a demo on a cover disc

I played it to death with a friend

[elfin depot]

USB Ball mice exist, could use one of those if you need the frustration (er...experience) of the original

[toxic pumice]

Ball mice is one part of the authentic experience I have absolutely no interest in reliving, personally. Got an amiga tank optical mouse and it's so good

[elfin depot]

(scroll, lift, slap mouse down on counter, cuss)

[polar raft]

The A500 Mini version? Or the "Tank Mouse" wireless one?

[toxic pumice]

one of these - https://www.amiga-shop.net/en/Amiga-Hardware/Amiga-classic-hardware/TheMOUSE-Amiga-tank-mouse::1124.html

[native mesa]

I think me and my buddy are going to do Crystal Clear hack and play some Stadium 2 when it's all good to go

[polar raft]

I've been thinking about buying that one, the smaller size feels ok?

This was the other option I was considering:
https://tank-mouse.com/

[toxic pumice]

The size hasn't bothered me at all, it's quite nice to use! That one looks pretty good as well to be fair.

[graceful radish]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1142983583917686845/1165296619181318154/image.png?ex=6546560c&is=6533e10c&hm=f3be418a0990fb80ee6bdb6b6f9491d85b9ba8c1b1b55fe3fb634e0ef1abb302&
SNAX64 design is done. Need to get the new logo on the enclosure and get quotes from factories. I might start with Nylon 3D printed cases until injection molded cases are ready.

4 player N64
2 player PSX, NES and SNES
1 player Genesis, Saturn, SMS and PC Engine

[iron dove]

SNAX Pak

[tropic sand]

No idea why but when I saw the logo.. I wanted a... 😂

[graceful radish]

Very strange!

[twin barn]

merely a coincidence

[graceful radish]

For sure

[fair stump]

So one of those and I'm pretty much set for life?

[solemn marlin]

Thanks, really good explanation. Got it working like I wanted it work 🙂

[cold pollen]

Convergent evolution

[wanton sun]

As TLB now stands for "TransferPak looks beautiful", the goal for christmas has adjusted, it's now "One Gameboy game playable inside a N64 game inside a FPGA core" 🙃

I really hope you don't mind if i live the dream for some days, haha 🙂

[zealous hull]

This is your dream, Robert. And we're all just living in it.

[vapid hawk]

is pokemon stadium the only game with transfer pak support?

[zealous hull]

Mario Golf/Tennis come to mind

[vapid hawk]

i've got a transfer pak as it turns out but zero gameboy games 😄

don't they just do some basic unlocks?

[zealous hull]

...yeah lol

But still, I count it.

[vapid hawk]

so pokemon is the only really interesting one, if i was going to buy a gameboy game to try it out

[hexed knot]

They do the best unlock, you get Sonny in Mario Golf.

[cerulean elk]

lolol moving the christmas goal post

[hexed knot]

Great juxtaposition. Mario, and some happy dude in a straw hat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gM0GHLNFpU

[wraith estuary]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_Pak#Games

[cold pollen]

Wait so does that mean TLB looks doable, or that he's now focusing on Transfer Pak and that's now what TLB means for the near future lol

[vapid hawk]

i think it means he's doing transfer pak stuff right now

[zinc dew]

TLB already working

[cold pollen]

what?

when?!?

Or are you trolling me lol

[zinc dew]

Here - #1096015979055697940 message

TransferPak Looks Beautiful build will be ready soon

[cold pollen]

ah so real TLB no but uh.... new TLB yes? lol

[zealous hull]

smh some people just can't read 😉

[zinc dew]

New TLB = new hotness
Old TLB = old n busted

[cold pollen]

So any chance of it working with ROMs?

[vapid hawk]

heh neat there's people who make the transfer pak into a romdumper

[thorn flax]

all my homies hate tlb

[marble cargo]

I miss when the Mario Golf and Mario Tennis games had random human characters in it just because the developers felt like it.

[zealous hull]

Once transfer pak support is up and running, has Robert mentioned what would be next?

[vapid hawk]

semi-serious/stupid question, wouldn't it be neat to use transfer pak in the GB core itself to load real carts / saves from real carts

[zealous hull]

I suppose there are still more bugs to iron out of RDP/VI?

[zealous hull]

That does sound cool, yeah! I would be surprised if it happened, but very cool.

[cold pollen]

I'm wondering if you'd need the N64 core but could still do the same

[wanton sun]

you would need the snac from n64 and parts of the PIF, but then it could work

loading the rom contents to sdram

needs heavy software support or custom hardware for the readout, so quite a project

[vapid hawk]

https://github.com/fl4shk/arduinogbdump

this project might have a fair amount of it figured out

[zinc dew]

Gonna play Mario golf on my real hardware

And use transfer Pak for n64 core

Like a boss

[wanton sun]

if that projects works, all you need is a arduino core or port the software to a random fpga softcore we already have, e.g. a mips 😉

[vapid hawk]

didn't someone make an arduino core actually

oh no i'm thinking of pico8

[weary beacon]

Open Source Cart Reader is way better than that.

[zinc dew]

Gonna play my pokemon red cart on my transfer pak on the n64 core

Like a boss

[cold pollen]

@wanton sun is there a chance you'll be able to implement gameboy transfer pak via software (loading a gameboy ROM)?

[cerulean elk]

innovations keep happening

[prisma ivy]

Link's Awakening vibes here

[wanton sun]

this is what i want to: loading the rom from OSD to sdram, then select emulated transfer pak in OSD and play with it. Savegame of the gameboy game would be attached to the savegame of the n64 game as one file

you probably have to load the gameboy rom before the n64 rom, but i guess that is acceptable

[cold pollen]

oh man I'm excited

I don't know how Stadium works, can it also save progress back to the gameboy save or is it one way?

[plush summit]

@wanton sun I fell asleep watching Kaze videos last night, when can we expect a collaboration? 😄

[wanton sun]

in stadium you just play the gameboy game and can exchange pokemons with the n64 game

[vapid hawk]

might it be better to have the savegame a seperate file so people can sync it with the gb core ?

[fair stump]

So you can play any game boy game in stadium?

[prisma ivy]

I saw a screenshot up there of Pokemon. Can any Gameboy game be played on the N64

Aah you beat me to it as I was typing

[cold pollen]

Right but it doesn't change your gameboy save? Like if you import your gameboy pokemon, play Stadium, does it still level up your pokemon? And does it save that progress to your gameboy cart? I've never used it in real life

[wanton sun]

there was a hack to play other games, but it's really not worth it i think

[vapid hawk]

its basically downloading the rom and running it in a mediocre gb emulator on n64 right?

it's even got a fast-forward button

[wanton sun]

no, you cannot gain levels in stadium, but sometimes you win pokemon that you can transfer back to the gameboy game

[cold pollen]

yeah playing gameboy games in N64 core hacked I think is only a novelty and not worth excessive effort

[cold pollen]

oh alright is that possible to implement then through the method you're considering?

[wanton sun]

i want it to be playable just as if you are using SNAC with a real transfer pak

[wanton sun]

maybe, but the core cannot save into the gb folder anyway, unless we do some file select again like psx memcards...sounds all a bit to much. You can still strip the savegame off and use in the gb core if you really want

[vapid hawk]

true but at least if its a seperate file it'd be easy to write a script to sync the folders

[cold pollen]

interesting

how would it be stripped, hex editor? Or a utility?

[vapid hawk]

though if you're writing a script anyway i guess you could crack/pack the file too (two way sync)

[weary beacon]

couldn't you use make a symbolic link in linux to the gameboys save file?

[wanton sun]

it would be a compounds file, i think first 128kbyte is flash of n64, second 32kbyte is gb save

[vapid hawk]

seperate files (named after the gb rom) would let you run multiple saves too for red/blue/yellow etc

[wanton sun]

have to look what mister allows, but i really want to avoid the file select for the savegame

[cold pollen]

Yeah just load the ROM and it uses the save game already associated with that ROM?

[vapid hawk]

yeah true its a complex case i can't think of another core that lets you load 2 roms and 2 different save files

[wanton sun]

i only know of drive emulation like ao486 or psx and that handing is really to much for a niche feature

[cold pollen]

I suppose instead of choosing a ROM you could choose a save file

[vapid hawk]

saturn does something i think with the internal and external memory cards

[cold pollen]

but what would be the difference

[wanton sun]

anyway, this can be improved. First i need to get the game detected at all before i can even think about saving 🙂

[vapid hawk]

yes of couse sorry. many exciting possibilities though!

[hasty kayak]

Appreciate this isn't N64 Core related but...

Is anyone else having issues running Update_All ?

When trying to run it today, I am getting an SSL Connection Error and it fails to do that update. My MiSTer is connected all fine and I can update any individual cores with scripts created by others e.g. N64 so its connecting fine.

[weary beacon]

GB_database.txt might be needed

[vapid hawk]

same here

@whole tulip is it possible a certificate has expired somewhere? update-all is giving SSL errors

[hasty kayak]

Wanted to get the latest Saturn Core (which I understand is on Update_All now) but it won't work

[vapid hawk]

I'd just grab this one: #unstable-nightlies message its better than whats on update-all anyways

[zealous hull]

Wait, is there a pico8 core on the MiSTer?

[vapid hawk]

wait no there's actually an Arduboy core for mister: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arduboy_MiSTer

[zealous hull]

Oh, gotcha. I was familiar with the Arduboy. 🙂 Sorry for getting off topic, that possibility just excited me. Love pico8

[weary beacon]

maybe try again. Just used update_all and it showed no errors.

[toxic pumice]

ok I'm starting to understand Mischief Makers a lot more now.

Shake shake

Very unique game actually

[vapid hawk]

yeah it worked for me on the 4th attempt

[vernal breach]

Im getting this same error when I run update_all, tried deleting my downloader.ini and its still the same.

[marble cargo]

Mischief Makers feels so much better to play when you have the original C buttons to work with.

[thorn flax]

nobody beats Treasure

[weary beacon]

ikaruga

[thorn flax]

except the relentless grind of time

[oblique remnant]

bangaio still crashes unfortunatly after first level. tlb too ?!

[thorn flax]

did you check error codes?

[oblique remnant]

in the sheet it says 0000400

[prisma ivy]

Hey I come to this channel to escape the reality of life. It is only project reality in here 😂

[thorn flax]

10 RDP command not implemented

[oblique remnant]

I hope the commander will implement it some day 🙂

[thorn flax]

the fact that tresure can't do what made them great now in the modern games industry is so sad.

whether it's due to an inability to adapt, or just the natural moving on of talent.

I want the tresure who only made new stuff to come back.

[oblique remnant]

they had a comeback in the GBA era but those days are long gone too now

[weary palm]

Nah, gameboy roms are usually headered.

[lilac scroll]

What’s the main difference from reflex?

Thank you for continuing to deliver sweet sweet add on goodness

[cerulean elk]

SNAX is serial vs USB

although testing the Reflex Adapt damn if I can tell any latency difference. Reflex has been a rockstar in my testing

[native mesa]

I don't think a compound file is good for people that want to go back and forth between a real Gameboy or analogue pocket or something.

[thorn flax]

it's so much worse now. just normies getting hype for the next re-release of Silvergun

[weary beacon]

True, but how would the core know what game was in the transfer pak?

[cold pollen]

does it need to know?

wouldn't it just load it

[weary beacon]

Not sure, robert asked it so I was thinking about it myself.

[cold pollen]

ahh

oh look at that

[zinc dew]

I don’t like it

[cold pollen]

That's so Robby™

[zinc dew]

I love it!

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-oh-you-gif-22671182

[mild ether]

Speaking of ao486. Is there a limit to how many mhz a FPGA 486 could go? Like if the FPGA could push it to 500 mhz would it be a problem?

[languid dune]

Classic Robby!

[cold pollen]

Robby Classic core when?

[whole tulip]

These connectivity errors indicate something wrong with the user connection, or with the NPT server address used to sync the local clock. Some times the system clock is not configured correctly after boot, but that's unrelated to update_all or downloader. I suspect it could be handled more gracefully in the linux side.

[vapid hawk]

yeah its weird though its only the mister downloader part failing

all the other downloads are fine

[whole tulip]

You don't need a proper system date or SSL certs for an insecure connection

[lilac scroll]

Ah right, my dedicated mt32-pi port

[whole tulip]

But I only do secure connections with downloader / update_all

By default

If you want to opt into insecure connections, use the following launcher: https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer/blob/master/update_all_insecure.sh

[vapid hawk]

yeah idk i think maybe somethings wrong on the github end intermittently

retrying a bunch of times made it work eventually

[whole tulip]

https://www.githubstatus.com/history

Nothing of that sort today, according to their incident management system

So it should be something in the middle, maybe router or ISP

If it wasn't a system clock / filesystem problem

[vapid hawk]

thanks for looking

[whole tulip]

Np

[visual mortar]

With New build, Rayman 2 crash before pirate boat enter

[prisma hawk]

@oblique remnant

[vapid moat]

Daaamnnnnn, it's already gonna be here?!!

Gotta ask, is use of GB Tower gonna be SNAC-only or is there possibilities for playing Gen1-roms via menu?

[cold pollen]

He said he wants to get transfer working via software, but may not support hacked gameboy game emulation

[solemn maple]

Has anyone gotten Doom64 Complete Edition working on the core?

[cold pollen]

I can't imagine why you'd want to anyway lol

[compact skiff]

Yes

[solemn maple]

Do you know what settings you used? All I get is a black screen

[compact skiff]

Not home to check right now

[manic basin]

Gorgeous, baby!

[compact skiff]

I think if you have the latest main stable and latest database, it should just work.

Also, make sure you're patching the WAD first and then the ROM.

[cerulean elk]

a total cultural icon

[manic basin]

He's kind of the reason banks have the candy they have. He basically revitalized DumDums and kept them from going under.

I'm making this up, but it sounds true.

[carmine kettle]

awesome news transferPak virtual 😱

[eternal island]

has anyone fully completed quest 64 yet.. cus im approaching the end

[cerulean elk]

you tell that to someone at a bar confidently and it would be believed

[wanton sun]

where? i can get until here

[cerulean elk]

maybe he means when you get to the prison ship later in the game?

[visual mortar]

Yes, when you meet 1rst pirate

[wanton sun]

i have no chance to reproduce that

[visual mortar]

Its later in the game

[wanton sun]

but it always happens? and it worked with a previous build?

[visual mortar]

I played without save with previous build and no problem..

I Will try again

[wanton sun]

to really do something i would need to know which build broke it

[visual mortar]

OK, it seems to be a random bug

I try again and no problem

[daring meteor]

Inb4 this is another obscure bus bug

[vapid hawk]

i've had random crashes in rayman occasionally, it takes hours sometimes though

[pure ocean]

You will try again and 8 minutes later the problem is gone without saves but the bug is later in the game? well? 🙌

[crisp monolith]

I tried to play Majora’s Mask Redux and it seemed to be working fine, but when I get to clock town when I finish dialogue with some characters (like the great fairy) Link immediately dies.

Anyone know what the problem might be there?

[stuck summit]

lol

[crisp monolith]

It’s a very weird bug

[wanton sun]

sounds like the initial bug when the savetype was wrong

[manic basin]

That's the behavior if you have the wrong save type

DAMMIT!

Hehe, Robert is so fast.

[vapid hawk]

shouldn't we be detecting the right savetype for that rom now

[manic basin]

Redux might be wrong in the DB?

[crisp monolith]

Ah interesting

[manic basin]

It should be but if it writes a different game ID, it might not.

[crisp monolith]

What should it be?

[manic basin]

I think it's flash, lemme check.

[vapid hawk]

redux doesn't have a unique gameid afaik, it doesn't need anything special on everdrive

[wanton sun]

please look in system menu when you started the game which savetype is says

[novel marsh]

This used to be an emulation issue back in the day 😅

[wanton sun]

could of course be a totally different bug

[oblique remnant]

I was confused and got killed without a reason 😄

[crisp monolith]

Well it’s not auto detecting

[manic basin]

ID:NZS___ flash128k|rpak # Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask [Zelda no Densetsu - Mujura no Kamen (J)]

That's the one that will trigger in the file

[vapid hawk]

have you got latest main + database ?

[crisp monolith]

Pretty sure I do

[manic basin]

Try manually setting save type to flash.

It should fix it but there's probably a file missing or out of date as @vapid hawk is suggesting.

Also make sure you don't have a duplicate entry in the User text file (avoid editing the main N64 databasie file now that it's set up to do ID matching).

[crisp monolith]

I'll update the database and try again

That did the trick!

[manic basin]

Woohoo!

[cerulean elk]

@manic basin want to come fix my dishwasher now? Seems like you are on a hot streak today

[manic basin]

Amana out standing in his field.

[weary palm]

My changes to the database are pretty great. 🙃

[mild ether]

Dr Mario is completable.

Also haven't had a crash since moving back to the previous build but not sure if it's just that rare I haven't crashed again.

[weary beacon]

MKT needs to be marked as beatable as well. Beat that like 5 days ago.

[crisp monolith]

Opening the bombers notebook in Majora’s Mask triggers a no signal on my TV. Is it shifting resolution or something?

[vapid hawk]

yeah its 480i

you can use vsync1 to stablize it i think

[hollow rune]

@zinc dew can we pin that if you beat a game and can't update the sheet just to DM or @ me. I don't mind taking care of it.

[vagrant ivy]

@hollow rune I beat 3d Monster Maze on the Zx81

[hollow rune]

Was it a specific mode? And which core?

[vagrant ivy]

Its a joke !

although I did beat it

[hollow rune]

Oh I know, my response was to SteveFox

[hollow rune]

I was going to ask if your fingers recovered from the Chiclet keys

[vagrant ivy]

Zx81 has a membrane keyboard !

[hollow rune]

Oh, so your fingers definitely didn't recover

[zinc dew]

I appreciate your willingness to shoulder that but I don’t wish to burden you. Plus I’d rather only keep pins to absolutely necessary info.

[weary beacon]

Just the first tier. Beat it with sektor. N64 core.

[hollow rune]

I meant build number by whoch

[hollow rune]

You know I like making fun of the British microcomputers, but that is a pretty computer

[vagrant ivy]

My first Computer way back in 1981

[weary beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096015979055697940/1163609310056677446/mktmister.jpg?ex=6540329e&is=652dbd9e&hm=f1fc1fad8e37a4fe06e7c815da9de6f0a1fb3f14477302aef5365efd5c65558f&

[vagrant ivy]

1k of power

[weary beacon]

10/16/2023

[young echo]

Can we Brawler64 NSO owners get a Rumble support update ?

[wanton sun]

as the last build doesn't do any change that can influence games that are non-interlaced, i would assume it's just rare...

[hollow rune]

And with 3D that is just as good as the N64. I never played it, but I saw it in an issue of Retro Gamer Magazine.

[vagrant ivy]

http://www.zx81stuff.org.uk/zx81/emulate.php?track=3DMonsterMaze(NGS).tzx.zip@0&title=3D Monster Maze

[eternal island]

quest 64 complete, i hated it

[vapid hawk]

someone had to do it

[eternal island]

i just watched... still hated. my buddy did it

while i was here playing chained echoes

[vagrant ivy]

Once Quest 64 is complete the Core is now redundant

[hollow rune]

Isn't the ZX81 not on the MiSTer? I need the whole experience

[vagrant ivy]

Its got a core

or I just use one of the 7 Originals I have

[orchid nimbus]

you're on the spectrum?

[desert crow]

New SNAC build that suports controllers and paks. cpak, rumble , transferpak confirmed working.

Under debug setting there is 2 new options, SNAC on/off and snac compare.

If using paks in port 2 you have to change gamepads to 2 in osd(this may change in the future)
The code was PRed so this is just a test build. 🎉

[manic basin]

WOOOOH!

[quaint pewter]

I am. Which is ironic as I owned a ZX Spectrum in 1983 and wasn't diagnosed until half a dozen years ago.

I was on the spectrum before I knew I was on the spectrum.

[manic basin]

LOL

[spark zinc]

Anyone know why after Mario 64 it’s me Mario screen it goes black

[daring meteor]

Use the patch

Goddard doesn't work

[spark zinc]

Will this ever work without patching a game?

[daring meteor]

Only 3 games need patches rn

Sm64, perfect dark, Banjo 2

[quaint pewter]

"no face" refers to the screen with the floating head. which confused people who saw that the mario model in game used to not have a face.

[daring meteor]

Most others work fine without

[spark zinc]

Will this core ever work without having to patch any games?

[quaint pewter]

patch it. play it. love it.

That's the general plan I believe.,

[daring meteor]

We could hope

[spark zinc]

How do I go about patching it?

[daring meteor]

Do you know how to use sed?

[spark zinc]

Nope

[modern sleet]

Amazing work @desert crow congrats!

[stone pilot]

https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

[desert crow]

Robert was very helpful and reworked part of the pif controller handling to help make it easier on me.
He made it work closer to how it works on real n64 and is going to try to match usb to snac to get all the timings right. Thats what the snac comapre is there for.
By doing this he fixed a couple games a few builds back so it is a good thing I think.

[stone pilot]

bring your own ROM and your own patch file and off you go

[manic basin]

Patch files are in a link in pins.

[spark zinc]

Ok awesome thank you I’ll give it a try

[manic basin]

Have fun!

[daring meteor]

You need the z64 rom

[manic basin]

I mean, that's pretty much a guarantee with SM64.

[spark zinc]

Ok

[daring meteor]

And if you want to test in Emulators - It will work, it skips the mario face screen

[quaint pewter]

blue1! you have made a lot of people very happy. Not me though - I have to wait for the in-core tpac to hopefully work. I have controllers but no rumble/cpak or transfer packs. sad times.

[stone pilot]

UltraFP64 is an especially good patch, since it also fixes a bunch of other issues with the game

[spark zinc]

So I want no face patch

[daring meteor]

Yes

[spark zinc]

Awesome thank you

[daring meteor]

Download the version according to your region

[quaint pewter]

There are a couple of online patchers you can use if you don't want to download one. There is one on romhacking.net and another here: https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

Just add clean rom and your patch and bob's your uncle

[modern sleet]

OOT via SNAX and rumble working well 🙂

[quaint pewter]

If you are using snax do you HAVE TO use the packs or can you still save to SD cpacks?

[fair stump]

Somebody had to do it do you have editing rights to the test sheet?

[cerulean elk]

N64 vid time...pod edition

[weary palm]

You can also use my super silly tool https://github.com/yxkalle/MarioDefacer/releases/tag/1.0b

[modern sleet]

Thats all i needed to beat bongo bongo, good old SNAX

[quaint pewter]

defacer is pretty cool. It's what I used on my mario. Does it get rid of the game over face too, @weary palm ?

I haven't game overed so I don't know.

[weary palm]

I actually don't know for sure. I don't think it does. I can't test right now.

[desert crow]

Thanks hopefully I'm done doing special builds for n64 for a while 🙂

[mild ether]

Mario spraying graffiti mod?

[quaint pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/pianta-police-mario-sunshine-mario-sunshine-gif-25874141

oops gif sorry. but made me think of Sunshine when he get put in the clink for grafitti

[weary palm]

If you ever find out what happens on a save/quit or game over please tell me. I'm in the hospital. 🙂

[quaint pewter]

oooh heck. nothing serious I hope. get well soon. I will lose my lives on purpose if it helps.

[modern sleet]

Real controller's analog stick is muuuuuch better

I've felt ive been struggling with the retrofigher's since I got it

[weary palm]

Nothing to worry about, but thanks for asking 🤗

[daring meteor]

Yes, but Robert thinks its easy to stop needing it soonk

Or at least thought

[modern sleet]

[latent galleon]

||mimi||

although that suggestion might drive robert crazy since it still randocrashes even with force wb on

[spark zinc]

It’s working now

Patched all 3 games

[eternal island]

dont think so

it was US quest 64 if anyone wants to mark it completable for me

[cold pollen]

good lord it isn't even implemented is it? lol

he JUST teased it

[weary beacon]

check the menu

[carmine kettle]

👌

[spark zinc]

Is it normal when I load a patched game it says auto detect failed: rom missing from database you may not be able to save

[weary beacon]

only with some hacks, you have the n64-database file right?

[spark zinc]

What do you mean

[weary beacon]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[spark zinc]

Thanks I didn’t realize is needed a database file

[mortal panther]

Check the pinned comments here. They should provide all the information you need to get going with this core.

[fair stump]

I'm curious, was it the Peach fade out at the letter that was fixed or was it that portrait that turns to bowser?

[mortal panther]

The portrait at the end of the hallway still is not fixed.

[fair stump]

Oh I thought one of the recent updates fixed that

I haven't gotten to that point so I couldn't check

[cerulean elk]

Only peach

Wait are you on my YT comments asking @fair stump or is this a coincidence? Lol

[fair stump]

I don't comment on youtube videos so no 😆

But it was your video that I saw about it

[cerulean elk]

Haha weird. Saw the same question in two places within a minute of each other

Matrix breaking down on me

[desert crow]

That's what the timings look like for snac during a normal control poll. for those of you interested in that stuff. I tried to dial them in as good as I could.

[chrome quest]

Reading this, does snac compare try to get Transfer PAK working over USB? Or is this just a way of grabbing the data you've just shown

[vapid hawk]

oh cool does rumble and memory cards work on snac too now?

[desert crow]

it's a way to verify snac and virtual things are doing the exact same thing.

yep snac is communicating with the core like it should so now paks work.

[vapid hawk]

awesome i gotta try that out

do you need to set what pak you're using in the osd or just plug+play ?

[desert crow]

plug and play if using port 1, if using port 2 or more you have to set gampads to that number in osd for paks to work(controllers are p+p though)

[weary palm]

Is anyone in EU-land selling N64 SNAC adapters?

[solemn marlin]

Wait there are 64 snac adapters already? What about snax 64? Why do I get hungry when talking about adapters?

[vapid hawk]

snax can do it

just only 2p

and you need the cables obvs

[solemn marlin]

Ohh

[quaint pewter]

Have a Snax... You know you always get grumpy when you are hungry to use original controllers.

[dusty tusk]

Pretty sure the added DD functionality is why Densha de Go English started working when around the time other DD games did

[weary beacon]

Being able to use native controllers and controller paks makes it the ultimate way to play N64 by default.

[dusty tusk]

Low latency, high-accuracy, original input, analog output. The MiSTer is a powerhouse

[weary beacon]

analog+digital output

[dusty tusk]

I was more referencing the standout features

Unless you mean dual output, which is pretty crazy too

[weary beacon]

Well to me digital out is a stand out feature. I grew up with analog. I know where its a must and where it sucks.

N64+HDMI mod is now obsolete imho.

[vapid hawk]

is there any other platform or system (other than a real n64) that can support all the paks like this?

[weary beacon]

adaptoid way back when

[vapid hawk]

i think you can do some stuff with raphnet?

[weary beacon]

https://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/raphnetraw/

[dusty tusk]

Currently this is what emulators can work with

Alright, which one of you mad lads is going to get the Pokemon Snap Station working first?

[weary beacon]

Well I guess emulators would win on mouse still. Who cares?

[quaint pewter]

I didn't realise you could play Hey You Pikachu on simple64

[dusty tusk]

So someone actually reverse engineered the pokemon snap station, in fpga of all places

https://github.com/jamchamb/cojiro

[dusty tusk]

https://twitter.com/jamchamb_/status/1507439248684765187

Someone with one of those devices and snac could try it out

[mortal panther]

It's like I've been transported back in time 27 years. I'm having so much fun reliving one of my favorite periods of gaming history.

[dusty tusk]

Getting 100 coins in hazy maze cave is such a pain in the ass

[modern sleet]

Latest snac update is in today's YC build for anyone

[solemn marlin]

So who's getting the densha de go controller?

[woeful grove]

Peripheral "working girl" is the pc term

@solemn marlin

[solemn marlin]

Lol someone saw...

I don't even think it's foul tho, it clearly describes some collectors in here, I get nasty for other stuff so it's all ok imo

[woeful grove]

Just think of me as a mephistophelian AI watching and processing your every move. It's more comforting to think of things that way than the reality.

[solemn marlin]

I can live with that but you'll never catch me with my new euphemisms, they're cooking already, eager to be born

[cerulean elk]

I prefer peripheral “lady of the night” myself 😂

I’d accept peripheral lot lizard too

[woeful grove]

gotta show just enough dpad

[solemn marlin]

Snacfiends

I kind of get items like the negcons but I assume the densha de go controller is just a twisted n64 gamepad

[deep beacon]

what do I do with the zImage_dtb file I got from unstable? Going to give my saffun controllers a shot with the core

I checked the pinned messages but they dont say exactly what this is or where it goes

[mortal panther]

With an FTP client, rename/delete the zImage_dtb file in media/fat/linux/ and copy the new one to that location.

[deep beacon]

great ty

[mossy needle]

What does Snac compare do?

[zenith orchid]

Did you get it working?

The readme file is pretty straightforward about how it works

if you patch the wad, you gotta rename it, because it essentially converts the wad into a patch file, which you then apply to the rom

it's a pretty neat form of DRM

[zinc dew]

So excited, time to play Densha de go!!

[mossy needle]

Is anyone else having issues getting SNAC to work?

It worked fine on the last build

For me at least

[desert crow]

what's happening? don't touch snac compare 🙂

[mossy needle]

None of the buttons are working. Even with the non snac controller in game

[zinc dew]

@desert crow VRU tested yet?

[mossy needle]

I'm going to try and see if I set to 2 controllers if that works

Still not working

[elfin depot]

what snac adapter are you using?

[mossy needle]

When I unplug the controller and plug it back in it pushes start

I'm using the SNAX adapter

From Misteraddons

[desert crow]

you have controller in the left port?

[mossy needle]

Yes

[desert crow]

snac =on and snac compare = off?

[mossy needle]

Yes

Even in the menu it says a controller is plugged in

[desert crow]

not sure, maybe try old build. seems strange usb isn't working either if you have snac off.

[mossy needle]

I'll try the old build and see if that works

I'll have to download it again

The usb controller works when snac is off

[desert crow]

ok, for now you can't mix snac and usb.

[mossy needle]

Ohhh are they both trying to get priority

Pardon my lack of knowledge or nomenclature for how any of this works lol

[desert crow]

no I don't think so.

[desert crow]

No I don't think it's going to work yet, have to add support for that command in pif I think

[mossy needle]

For me it's not even working with the USB controller unplugged

But something did randomly push start but I can't navigate menus

[desert crow]

got a different controller?

[mossy needle]

I do but its in a bin in the room where my partner is taking a nap currently

It works fine on the 1004 build

[desert crow]

what kind of controller and what games did you test?

[mossy needle]

I'm using an n64 hori pad and I was trying Mario Kart, Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie

[elfin depot]

And just to be 100% sure you're plugging the snac adapter into the snac port correct?

[mossy needle]

Yup

Well it works perfectly on the last snac core

Unless the hori controllers are weird

Which is possible

[desert crow]

I can't think of any settings that would mess with it other than the snac options, but if you have a n64 cfg delete that.

[mossy needle]

Where would that be located?

[desert crow]

/config

[mossy needle]

All of them?

I have N64, N64 scaler, shmask, volume

All for N64

[desert crow]

main one should be enough

[mossy needle]

Still not working

I had one of those forever pak 64s in the controller thinking that might be the issue and still not

So weird

[desert crow]

ok sorry about that, maybe you can try a different pad later.

I tried nintendo ones and third party but don't have a hori

[mossy needle]

No worries thats the alpha phase experience for you

I bought it a long time ago before they were way too expensive and they're great controllers

[desert crow]

I'll think about something to try, report back after you try the others

[mossy needle]

Sure thing

[zinc dew]

lol this is surreal

also Star Fox 64 with a proper rumble pak is

also I’ve never seen this Densha De Go 64 debug menu before

[desert crow]

👀 how do you get in there?

[zinc dew]

OH NO THE DENSHA CONTROLLER REQUIRES PORT THREEEEEEEE

@graceful radish you’re my only hope LMAO

I didn’t think I needed a SNAX64, jokes on me!!

🤣

[broken cradle]

Don't know if this been answered before

Does rumble pack work on reflex?

[zinc dew]

Have the Densha controller plugged into port 1 and the brake+acceleration controls set in these positions:

[manic basin]

It's being worked on.

[latent galleon]

.

[weary beacon]

Looks like something I would use in my shower

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun @desert crow Looks like the System Test in Densha De Go is running great! lol

[solemn marlin]

That's so cool, amazed by the port 3 requirement. No chance of someone just redirecting it to one or two? 🤔

[eternal ravine]

Or a control panel for a JP toilet

[solemn marlin]

No idea what these images have to do with public transportation in tokyo but I assume it makes sense

[desert crow]

show what the other tests do too. the last three

[quaint rune]

the monorail from half life 2 🤯

[solemn marlin]

Now that's what I'm talking about, pure train

[dusty tusk]

Pretty sure the densha de go debug menu is only easily available in the English hack

[zinc dew]

Yeah I’ve never brought it up on my Japanese cart

[cerulean elk]

Lol capture that @zinc dew and send it to me if you can. I’ll throw it in a video for a laugh

[zinc dew]

I don’t have any video capturing devices, I’m sorry

[cerulean elk]

God what good are you. Brian levels of impotence here! 😂

[worldly quartz]

Man havent even touched densha go yet on my ps1 lol. Is it different on n64?

Sadly, no one sells that here

[cerulean elk]

All the cool Taito kids are playing Landing Gear anyway

Trains don’t even leave the ground

[zinc dew]

It’s Densha De Go 2 but it includes a beginner mode, has VRU support, and has a translation patch.

[graceful radish]

I got you!

[elfin depot]

Bring it over!

[zinc dew]

Oh man so good

[mossy needle]

@desert crow I was able to try a normal OEM N64 controller and it works fine

For some strange reason it hates the hori controller

[zinc dew]

Yeah Reflex is definitely king imo. I can’t tell the difference between it and SNAC. I genuinely tried too.

[zinc dew]

That’s great to hear. Weird about the Hori.

[mossy needle]

Yeah the Hori controller worked on all the other SNAC builds

[desert crow]

I sent you a pm with a special build to try 🤞

[mossy needle]

Ooooo

[worn delta]

If you have a transfer Pak and the GB Denshe De Go! Game then on the patched version it should let you unlock something, maybe cheats

[languid dune]

Wait, the PS1 game has a translation patch!? When did that happen!?

[zinc dew]

It doesn’t, i meant that as a description of the N64 version sorry

[modern sleet]

Gerudo track in OOT is some of the best music of any game

[zinc dew]

Also the N64 port is based on the updated arcade version. It’s a better game overall.

[mossy needle]

@desert crow I sent you a dm back with a pic from testing

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got Laggy here to test it but I also cannot tell a diff between SNAX and Reflex

There is probably some numerical diff but detectable diff? Zero imo

[mossy needle]

It's registering a controller is present but not allowing any inputs

[prisma ivy]

I love this kind of shenanigans

[worn delta]

It also displays a different splash screen if you are playing on an actual N64 and have a DD attached, not sure if that would be viable in the core somehow spoofing that a DD is hooked up and have it on a menu switch

[broken cradle]

It is definitely a favorite of mine

Another song I love to listen to is from ffxi called The Sanctuary of Zi'tah

[worn delta]

You need to patch the ROM, if you check the pins there is info

[quasi storm]

"...except Turbochop, he's cool."

... I hope, anyway.

[dusty tusk]

Densha De Go on N64, because of it's english translation and beginner options, is a good place to start for Densha De Going

Professional on PS1 is overall the best of the classic games, because of how much content it packs though.

[quasi storm]

Am I having some sort of mandela effect? I swear Perfect Dark has this weird, demoscene-like intro sequence, but It's missing on the core, and no emulators show it.

I jest. I know it's supposed to be there, but I swear I haven't yet seen it on anything other than real hardware.

Is this a thing?

[ripe cargo]

Should we be running with the cache on or off?

[languid dune]

You're such a tease!

[drowsy lantern]

Demoscene-like intro? Don’t ever recall such a thing.

[drowsy lantern]

On.

[ripe cargo]

Ok thanks

[quasi storm]

Whaaat?! Don't mess with me, dude! It was THERE!

https://youtu.be/NtK6VttAxqU?si=FvJ-xyY1DwiYCB3B

[drowsy lantern]

Ahhh yes I remember this. Perhaps if you don’t touch anything and just let the game roll?

[dusty tusk]

banjo tooie has a demo scene intro if you run it with the drm removed, maybe you had a similar thing with perfect dark?

[vapid hawk]

is it pal only?

[quasi storm]

I've tried. All I can seem to get is the intro for the first mission. Is it a revisional thing, maybe?

All emulators seem to not include it, the XBLA version doesn't have it...

[fair stump]

Possible side effect of hitting the Perfect Dank?

[modern sleet]

Robert said he had a secret core only for those who beat Superman 64

Only those who follow the path may find the riches

[quasi storm]

Oohh. That's dirty...

[manic basin]

I'm getting mad N64 vibes from the wing suit in Spider-Man 2.

[quasi storm]

Is that good or bad?

[manic basin]

It's....

[modern sleet]

I platinumed the first 2 games, is it as good?

[manic basin]

Interesting.

Yes and no. I think I'm going to love it as much.

But it's not quite as gripping yet. There's not intimacy. It's just a ton of things being thrown at the player up front.

[dusty tusk]

The biggest complaint I've heard is that it feels unfocused

[manic basin]

Yeah, that.

[drowsy lantern]

Did you try the different revision roms? My cart was from launch and it had it, so I perhaps only 1.0?

[quasi storm]

That may be it. I'll have to try it.

[manic basin]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960632-perfect-dark/54691559

It's after you beat the game.

[dusty tusk]

So much like stop and swap, you can forever change the catridge for everyone if you beat it

[quasi storm]

I remember my first time playing was when I borrowed the game from a friend who was absolutely crazy for it. So that makes sense.

[fierce garden]

A fellow gold owner - best color 😁👍

[manic basin]

Found a save state online. Confirmed in Project64

[quasi storm]

My mind is at ease. I could sit and watch that run for hours.

It would be a great show piece. I could imagine setting my N64 and CRT up at a convention, just running this.

Thanks for looking into it @manic basin

[manic basin]

@quasi storm

Rename it to match your rom. But I was able to get it extracted.

It's pretty trippy!

[solemn maple]

Yes.

Game plays really well with the n64 controller by the way. I'm using preset 3 so that you strafe left and right with the c-buttons.

[stiff condor]

You guys like Majora's Mask?

[quasi storm]

All those and not a single Holographic...

Like mine. 😏

[storm vessel]

Holographic is first-run only, yeah?

[quasi storm]

Maybe? My bro surprised me with it one day. Found it at a garage sale.

I know, I know... Less impressive.

[storm vessel]

The special ones often are but I’ve also seen carts that remain special for their entire run.

[stiff condor]

Top left

[quasi storm]

Yeah, I was kinda wondering as I looked at it a little closer. Cool beans!

[stiff condor]

The holo is the collector's edition, first run

[quasi storm]

It's got that N64 vasoline smear... Shoulda known.

[stiff condor]

I've got something better than holo, an NFR!

It's not it good shape though

[brisk edge]

Kinda par for the course since they were just used as kiosk things, it's lucky that they survived and didn't just get scrapped

Can't remember if Majora's has anything interesting though

[odd vector]

But you are missing the special Ben Drowned one

[zenith orchid]

I'll have to try it out, glad it's working for ya

[dusk glen]

Is PD beatable on the current core? I've heard before about the core crashing on mission 4, but I just finished it without issues.

I won't start mission 5 just yet, gotta fix my sleep schedule, but I'll try to see how far I can get in game tomorrow.

[chilly ember]

Carrington institute has a bug with the patch where the skedar don't plant the bomb

So can't finish it

[dusk glen]

Wow... it's playable up to mission 7 now? Impressive.

[inner bronze]

Check this remix they have on HorizonXI: https://youtu.be/ek--Gr39Zr4?si=eUEOTdJ8gZdz78KJ

[grave island]

So what is the current goal on the core? Fixing some RDP stuff before implementing TLB?

Does he list a core roadmap on patreon to follow?

[versed cairn]

He jumps around depending on how he feels. A few days ago it was bug fixes. Now it’s tranfer pak support. I think it keeps Robbert from getting bored

TLB is still the last on the list just cause it makes fixing other stuff harder. Still lots of bugs and missing features before

FAQ Has a list of some stuff still not in

[pale granite]

most of the rest (that already runs) works so well that it's almost like owning the original all over again, and having new releases coming out once in a while 😃

[zenith orchid]

Honestly I never imagined N64 could look so good on my TV screen while feeling so authentic at the same time

[lament escarp]

I'm just happy I'll get to play zelda on Christmas, in what's already pretty much perfect condition for me.

[compact depot]

Hopefully that will be playable by Xmas yeah 🙏🎄

[zenith orchid]

I'm hoping some of the noticeable timing issues will be resolved by then

Like music and cutscenes playing in sync

[worn delta]

Is it just timing issues in the two Zeldas now? Are all the minor graphical issues fixed?

No error codes?

[zenith orchid]

LOD is still missing..

[worn delta]

What does LOD do again?

[patent dragon]

adds Lots Of Dogs

[mild ether]

Legion of Doom

[zenith orchid]

I think LOD adjusts level of detail in 3d models based on their distance from the camera. it is used in the peach/bowser portrait effect in SM64

[worn delta]

Ah OK

[zenith orchid]

but I think it also has something to do with the missing shadows in THPS2

[bronze tree]

I don't think it's the level of detail of the models, but just the texture resolution (aka mipmapping). There is some info I found here: http://n64devkit.square7.ch/tutorial/graphics/9/9_6.htm

[mortal panther]

LOD is an enhanced form of LSD that makes Mario think he's seeing Bowser when he looks at a painting of Peach at the end of a hallway.

[wanton sun]

currently LOD uses a fixed texture size. depending on the game this can be the highest or lowest resolution. That alone will make it worth it

and yes, i understand it might be confusing that i jump around with the things i do, but it seems to work so far with the overall progress and it keeps the motivation high because it's always something new, so i will keep it for a while

[compact depot]

Is the chicken inside the box in Kakariko Village being visible an issue? Not sure if that happens in real hardware

[daring meteor]

Yes, and it makes us excited for the next surprise coming haha

[worn delta]

Oh, if someone can grab a picture of that would be good to double check

[quaint pewter]

The overall progress is amazing. Anything that helps you keep motivation in a project is very important. I don't suppose you found out why Shiren doesn't save? lol. If that was an interesting mystery (dungeon).

[viral portal]

Gotta love that XI soundtrack.

[compact depot]

This

@worn delta

[chilly pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaaATngW8iY

[solemn maple]

Been a while since MVG covered Philips CDI 🙂

[prisma ivy]

not sure if I should watch this video while eating breakfast or watch Adrian repair an old computer

[lament escarp]

I prefer vge to mvg.

[solemn maple]

I use AI to watch VGE videos with MVG voice

Need that australian accent

[lament escarp]

Seriously though, I'm glad the core gets the coverage, but I'll miss the people randomly stumbling in the n64 channel asking if n64 could really work on mister.

[prisma ivy]

hehe

[solemn maple]

I'm sure the analogue 3D will boost mister sales

[prisma ivy]

I've seen a lot more new users come in here

I wonder if the N64 core is what is pulling in new people

[lament escarp]

I'll save the money for the analogue n64 thingy for a rt4k. It'll also be n64 in 4k. And literally everything else in 4k.

[solemn maple]

480i/240p > 4k

[prisma ivy]

4k? Pfft. My 386 has 640k /s

[lament escarp]

Every new core makes the mister a better value proposition, n64 and saturn are certainly making it more attractive.

[prisma ivy]

I came here for 8 and 16 bit systems. Anything else is just gravy

[solemn maple]

Same

[prisma ivy]

delicious salty gravy

[lament escarp]

I only got mister for nes/snes. Drowning in gravy.

[oblique remnant]

Mario no face patch questions incomming

[chilly pivot]

The good thing is, Robert get more Patreon support

[solemn maple]

I enjoyed the MVG video, nothing new for those who lurk here tho.

We get our milk straight from the cows teat

[quaint pewter]

Some slight misinformation too... paraphrasing... "I'm sure TLB will be along any minute, but things like transfer pack will have to wait until that and other big work is done."

[marble cargo]

Hey guys why can't I play Super Mayreo 65???

[solemn maple]

Yoshi's Story is playable

[daring meteor]

Mario's face is the greatest in Koridai

[quaint pewter]

Getting Mario's face working might be a bit of a stretch goal.

[/dadjoke]

[prisma ivy]

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahah yesssss

[chrome quest]

The good old days, no face Mario in-game, sure it must all be TLB then.
Wait, what witchcraft is this! In-game Mario can have a face!? 🤯

[solemn maple]

Would be wild if the face you gave mario in the intro was the way he looked in-game

[rose elbow]

looool same

awesome vid from MVG.

[mortal panther]

Well, better stop development on it. It's a waste of time. It's impossible. 😉

[weary palm]

I love his voice.

[mild ether]

Who here is MVG?

[bronze tree]

yes, raise your hand please 😉

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/SFCIrAmq2i4?si=CdKKFb0O8C0LzgfX

[hasty kayak]

I just love how salty some people are. Reading the comments "FPGA is not 1:1 to Real Hardware, it can be no better than running Software Emulators".. Right ok so how comes I have had various issues with N64 Emulators on PC over the years which in the MiSTer Core (as it is now) I don't have those issues?

[weary palm]

Not sure if salty. FPGA is no insurance that the end product will be any more accurate than the best software implementation.

...it usually is very good, though.

[hasty kayak]

The whole point of MiSTer was Hardware Accuracy though? Right?

The legendary SmokeM0nster said that for every video he did....

Its one of the reasons I decided to go for the MiSTer.

[mild ether]

I don't know if I can tell the difference with N64 because I didn't play it enough as a kid but systems like SMS and NES are definitely on par with original hardware.

[thorn flax]

I will post "just get a raspberry pi" and set my phone to vibrate

[mild ether]

Arcade games feel right too.

[hasty kayak]

I have run tests with the NES and SNES Cores and they stay rock solid to Real Hardware running the same Attract Mode (for instance Super Mario Bros).

Same for the GameBoy core running the Tetris Attract Mode (Demo Mode) it stays locked in sync with my Real DMG GameBoy.

Also HW Tests like the one made for the PS1 shows Robert's core is extremely close to Real Hardware compared to DuckStation which is miles off.

[quaint pewter]

What you upto? "Just vibin'"

[hasty kayak]

I actually recommend this to most people I know. MiSTer is enthusiast levels. Pi is for Casuals.

[mild ether]

I haven't tested anything like that but emulators just feel off. I have played games like SMB3 to the point it's just a reflex and when it's not perfect that ruins that.

[hasty kayak]

Yep same for me. A good number of Software Emulators even those that are deemed as accurate (Genesis BlastEm for example) feels off to me as well.

The Mega Drive core feels absolutely spot on, looks great and sounds great too.

[weary beacon]

Honestly I envy people who can just be happy with Retroarch and continue living their lives

[hasty kayak]

That is most of my Real Life Friends who enjoy a Retro Game or 3. I would never say "Spend the money I have for MiSTer" because they wouldn't get the most out of it.

Me on the other hand, I 100% get the most out of MiSTer and it was the "Goal of Hardware Accuracy" which brought me to it.

[odd vector]

N64 Software Emulation is still the worst IMO. Never experienced any Emulator that runs Goldeneye without any hitches

[quaint pewter]

If Retroarch interface was more like MiSTer I might get on with it, but as it stands it kinda does my head in - for some reason.

[thorn flax]

huh it just occurred to me, do the headlights/taillights in Ridge racer 64 use the LoD function?

that would explain why it looks right at a distance but not up-close

part of the magic of RR, on any platform, is turning the corner to see that red glow of the next car your about to overtake

[hasty kayak]

I have had to switch between 3 different Emulators because games I play exhibit graphical glitches. For example the Shadows under the Players in ISS 64 is Black Boxes in one of the N64 Emulators...

[zinc dew]

It is.

[odd vector]

there is absolutely no one trick pony. Mupen has bad compatibility, PJ64 has good compatibility but games have stutter

[lament escarp]

How about saturn?

[thorn flax]

to an extent

can't tell you how many times we get the same questions from the newbies

it's boot.rom

[zinc dew]

I imagine it caused an uptick but not to the levels N64 did. Nothing is comparable to N64.

[thorn flax]

not bios.bin

[prisma ivy]

nothing compares 2 Uto N64

[lament escarp]

But it WAS bios.bin for some time!

[thorn flax]

and we'll never hear the end of it

until update all saves us

[lament escarp]

And you could still load bios bin manually, took me quiet some time to notice it's now bios rom.

[mint fable]

When done right, yes. But it takes a ton of expertise and work to get to that point. If development on the 64 core or Saturn core stopped now, people might claim that FPGA isn't accurate. Luckily, this community has some of the most brilliant devs in the world pouring their passion in here.

[prisma ivy]

that's what I love about the MiSTer project - assuming that is a correct statement. There is a passion for making things accurate.

and just being part of the hyyyyyyyyyype train while the N64 core gets developed

[weary perch]

yes, the chicken being visible inside the box in kakariko village in OOT happens on real hardware

[hollow rune]

Thank you for fielding this. I unfortunately don't have the cart

[weary perch]

the one i'm trying to verify now is a weird texture in Ep. 1 Racer

the Repulsorgrip (sic?) items have this weird green texture

[odd vector]

Maybe someone can explain it to me, probably questioned a lot of times already. But how does the developement from Robert: building an emulator and using it as a template to work on the fpga core differ from let's say jotego, where he scans the actual hardware and implements the schematics from it?

[weary perch]

it might be that way on OG hardware, wasn't sure

[zinc dew]

It’s the benefit when your audience is a small community of hardcore aficionados. Catering to them produces results far better than average.

[odd vector]

since it should deliever the same outcome

[wanton sun]

the schematics make sense for old arcade boards with plenty of components. The n64 has so few, the schematic tells you barely anything

[odd vector]

so no logic in those schematics

[wanton sun]

schematics are just wiring of components. If you have all those components ready, it's the main work

[zinc dew]

Making arcade hardware to run one or a couple of games is way different than building a console that runs hundreds. Just fundamentally, ignoring process and hardware.

[wanton sun]

but first you must have the components

[odd vector]

and those are probably implemented the same way, did I get that correct?

[mortal panther]

I'm enthusiastically casual about MiSTer.
I'm casually enthusiastic about Raspberry Pi.

[wanton sun]

as far as i know, he also implements things in HDL language as behavioral, rather than chip scans

which would be like most of the neo geo was done

[odd vector]

Gotcha, thank you very much for your explanation! 🙂

[wanton sun]

but even chip scans or netlists(e.g. Jaguar) are not free of mistakes, so it's not a holy cow that solves all problems

[hasty kayak]

Sorry didn't mean to open a can of worms. I assume some people play down how good the MiSTer and FPGA is because they don't have one and don't want to buy one.

[zinc dew]

It’s exactly that, it’s jealousy.

[hasty kayak]

I saw a video with some Canadian guy really laying into those of us who bought a MiSTer setup... I just thought "you moron"

[zinc dew]

The best thing any of us can do is ensure those people get ignored and silenced. Their negativity is a waste of our time and we know they’re incorrect. So we shouldn’t spread their opinion and perspectives.

[weary perch]

ahh, was able to confirm the Ep I Racer Repulsorgrip trippy green texture looks hardware accurate

[wanton sun]

as we are in the n64 channel, my opinion on this: Ares is still more acccurate than the core and if you want the best experience now, use that unless you really need lowest latency or analog out. But be aware that to really get that you need a highend PC and not a RPi.

[odd vector]

I understand that, I think more of a: It helps understanding how those components interact. But since the scans don't show how the logic itself runs, it doesn't really do very much. N64 we are talking about very few but large chips that do all the instructions.

[hasty kayak]

They do them. I do me. If I want something which is closer to Real Hardware than a cheap ass Pi or really awful box loaded full of illegal ROMS from AliExpress? thats what I will do.

[odd vector]

N64 Mini from Nintendo xD Will probably never happen

[quaint pewter]

Ares might make the lights dim in your street due to the power draw though. FPGA for life. 🙂

[odd vector]

programming an FPGA still feels to me like witchcraft 😄

[toxic pumice]

Ares still gives me mad latency at full speed. 😦

It's night/day compared to FPGA for me.

[thorn flax]

@wanton sun a thought I had earlier. i wonder if you think I've guessed right about this.

[prisma ivy]

yes but did you overclock whatever the flagship CPU is now to 9ghz?

[zinc dew]

I don’t enjoy playing console emulators on my PC. I know there are solutions but the setup and steps involved aren’t worth my time. The MiSTer is a superior solution for my needs and also the easiest to use. It’s just an objectively better experience for me.

[odd vector]

and i really like the uncomplicated, focused and minimalistic UI. The core options feel very harmonized

[zinc dew]

And there are people who will say the same for their own preferred solution be it a Pi, a PC, or something else entirely. And that’s ok. Everyone should be happy and enthusiastic about what works for them.

[mild ether]

Yep, the simple UI is key. Makes the MiSTer something you can just sit down and play like real hardware.

[prisma ivy]

I hope the UI never changes

[zinc dew]

It won’t because analog out is important.

[mild ether]

I got a jamma variant of the RGB Pi also that is pretty decent as well so it's not all horrible on the Pi side.

[elfin relic]

well, analog out exists

important is in the eye of the bespectacled beholder hoisting their PVMs

[native mesa]

I think a decent GUI front end would be nice.

[mild ether]

Mounted to the same piece of plywood next to my MiSTer for arcade.

[native mesa]

box art and stuff

[prisma ivy]

nooooooo

I mean

sorry