Nintendo 64

[wanton sun]

the game checks the interlace field bit and depending on it, sets the offset

however, i cannot just set it because, well you see it in the note, Kroms tests will not work anymore

[zinc dew]

Great job figuring it out!

[orchid nimbus]

why couldn't you?

what do you we even pay you for? 😄

[zinc dew]

You guys are getting paid??!

[marble cargo]

Paid in bubble gum and beef jerky.

[latent galleon]

you get beef jerky?!

this is why we need unions

[mortal panther]

It's only turkey jerky...

...but they haven't seemed to notice yet.

[orchid nimbus]

yeah I'm getting paid quite well actualy - $0/month

[latent galleon]

he makes one figure

[languid dune]

We pay you in insults. Awbacon's orders!

[dense wagon]

oh random noise in dither

reduces the patterns>?

[wanton sun]

no, it's a special dither mode: pattern 1, pattern 2, noise or off. Game can choose for each polygon

until newest core, noise pattern was just = off

[dusty tusk]

They chose wrong for fzero 🥲

[latent galleon]

i was playing rayman 2 last night, kept trying to switch on de-dither

that horizontal dither pattern looks too much like uneven scanlines for my mental health

[wanton sun]

better, but kroms tests are broken now as expected

well, the tests still work, but the lines are jumping

episode 1 racer now displays locked 60fps

if anyone wants to try more interlaced games, especially if any are broken

[mortal panther]

Thank you so much, once again.

[wanton sun]

well, it shows that every todo has it's value 😅

will leave now, already too late for work

[dusty tusk]

Anyone got a good list of interlaced games to try

[weary perch]

Rat Attack was previously looking funky, try that one maybe

many many many sports games have interlaced modes

NHL 99 for example

if you search the compat list for "interlaced mode" you'll find a bunch of my comments about games with interlaced modes which previously had issues

bombers notebook in Majora is interlaced iirc

[native mesa]

Majorah mask bomber notebook is interlaced

[weary perch]

just tried NHL 99, looking basically perfect now. i'm guessing this just fixed a ton of interlaced issues

[dusty tusk]

Is it possible there's a bug in the test?

I wonder if the thps 3 text might be fixed

[weary perch]

Majora's Mask Bomber's Notebook looks perfect to me now

this is huge

[dusty tusk]

Will check after the rugby flogging we're giving Argentina

[weary perch]

thanks again Robert! incredible work

from a quick skim on a few interlaced titles, looks like all the ones i can see that use a standard linecount appear basically perfect now

World Driver Championship Hi Res mode isn't letterboxed properly yet in the core, but that is using a very funky resolution. presumably Top Gear Overdrive Hi Res: Half mode needs help there too

[toxic pumice]

two builds in one day, damn

alright i'mma test this, I play a few interlaced titles that looked a bit ass before

[weary perch]

whoa...

someone on the interlaced test build try Mia Hamm Soccer 64

there's a really weird pixel garbage thing happening on one of the intro screens, but it fixes itself after a second? kind of slides off the screen

it does some kind of transition effect that doesn't work yet

looks wild tho 😄

gameplay looks perfect now

amazing work. robert notices something weird and does a fix - suddenly two dozen more games are looking nigh-flawless 😂

[cerulean elk]

damn right!

so what are the best games to capture then?

two cores in one day...pivots my sunday plan lol

[ruby falcon]

Happy Friday everyone!

[formal mirage]

@worn delta Hello. It's my first time on this topic here. How does one contribute to the compatibility list? It lists Glover as playable but I would like to mark it as completable. I just finished the story line

[quaint pewter]

Nice. Congratulations. I think it's under-rated. Good to see it getting some (g)love.

[orchid nimbus]

ban!!!

[formal mirage]

The game is actually pretty bugged. I do own a physical european cart and always thought that the save chip is broken. This is why I really wanted to play it on something not connected to that module. It turns out that Glover has a save glitch which sometimes occurs and kills the currently played save file. It sadly also happened on the MiSTer

[cerulean elk]

testament to accuracy lol

[formal mirage]

I was only able to complete the game by having a PC next to me on the couch and constantly copying the .sav file to a different location to fight my paranoia

But otherwise it is a short but funny game. The soundtrack has quite some atmosphere

[mortal panther]

No glove, no love.

[weary perch]

the physical release of Glover from Limited Run Games last year supposedly has the saving glitch patched

[ruby falcon]

You're Stronger than me ,I could never get past the circus level

[formal mirage]

Which one of the three? There pretty easy compared to the Frankenstein boss later on which is horrible.

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/memes/ thanks 😉 added to the collection

[fair stump]

I should be able to load mario kart then mario kart amped up to make that work, right?

[worn delta]

Good effort! Just request edit access on the sheet and you can update the entry for Glover. Give the info tab a skim before editing just so you know the process

[ruby falcon]

Actually, I think it was this boss, but the circus part is very memorable

[orchid nimbus]

It should just work

[formal mirage]

These statements contradict as this is the first boss from the atlantis world and the circus is after that. Just throw the ball against the big blue fish to remove the 3 blue life points. then smash the other two. Sadly the bosses are not the biggest sellers of this game

[ruby falcon]

welp,then I guess I dont know what I'm talking about rofl

[fair stump]

Oh I think I was given the 2.96 version

I don't have Twitter so I couldn't grab the 2.96a version myself

[orchid nimbus]

on the core

[prisma ivy]

Mannn you know what I love? This community testing the entire N64 library repeatedly to help this core progress. What an amazing bunch of people

[worn delta]

It's really great to see, a brilliant community effort.

[chrome quest]

Childhood memory dug up testing.
I'd forgot I ever played FIFA 98, but instinctively remembered one button, the slide tackle button.
That's all we ever needed I think. Best way to lose a game, red card wipe virtually your whole team! Good times 🤣

[toxic pumice]

Cruis'n Exotica looking quite good with the interlace core.
Ep 1 racer also looking MUCH better

[chrome quest]

Is that over analog or HDMI? Both improved I guess?

[toxic pumice]

Over HDMI, I don't have an analog video setup to test on

Rogue Squadron still has weird glitching in some of the menus, but the game itself looks wonderful

[hollow rune]

I will totally test tomorrow. Playing Mario Wonder right now. Sometimes gotta be a Contemporary Game Wizard

[coral timber]

Hybrid Heaven has a hi-res interlaced mode as well IIRC

[manic basin]

Does the blister-ish look of the trunk when full of water give anyone else jeebies of the heebie variety?

[eternal ravine]

Wait what sort of wizardry has Robert

wrought

[manic basin]

He's made every other line better.

[eternal ravine]

So he's wizarding interlaced video to be progressive?

[manic basin]

Well, not quite. But it's definitely in better shape than it was! Combing still gonna comb.

[eternal ravine]

This, I gotta see

[manic basin]

Starcraft text is great.

And lots of other games are showing better framerates.

[eternal ravine]

Trippy

But I do recall that he worked some magic on the PSX core video options
So not surprised to see similar here

[cerulean elk]

Tested the core. Quest still sucks

[manic basin]

Have you applied Brian.Good.Less.Suck.ips?

It basically just rolls credits when you start the game. Huge improvement.

</s> btw.... but it's the kind of patch that SOUNDS real...

[languid dune]

Traitor!

[cerulean elk]

I SAID WHAT I SAID

[marble cargo]

More like Quest Sixty Forgettable

[thorn flax]

I just rushed majoras mask to get to the bombers notebook.

that mask salesman is so damn memorable

like top 10 gaming memories good

most importantly for testing sake tho.

bomber note book looks great over rgb in 480i

resolution is a little horizontally squished but no biggy

[fair stump]

Trying the interlace core, pod racer looks and plays so great

[thorn flax]

now I've got a save with the book I'll copy over some old cores to take comparison shots

later tho, sleep first.

had a hard day playing mario wonder with my gf

[prisma ivy]

Things progress so quickly. What is this interlace core all about?

[fair stump]

It started with Robert debugging starcraft menu text, it's a temp core version

#1096015979055697940 message

Discussion starts about there and he posted a build a further down

I'm trying RE2 but I don't really know the game enough to say how this improved it

All I can tell is that the resolution is switching constantly and I'm not sure if this build makes it better 😆

[orchid nimbus]

Red Elert 2

[fair stump]

That cinematic hi res camera

[lilac scroll]

So how playable are OoT and MM now? Like, totes playable?

[orchid nimbus]

No

Unplayable - horrible

[lilac scroll]

Maybe by Christmas

[rose elbow]

i read wee while back that MM is totes playable but expect some visual bugs, not sure if any of that has been ironed out in recent builds since

OOT i got to the 3rd Dungeon and wasn't really noticing anything stand out visually

[zenith orchid]

I heard the ending sequence outpaces the music, so there are noticeable timing issues

[topaz otter]

mom heard something weird in my room, she opened the door and saw I was playing quest 64

she said she wished I'd do drugs like all the other kids instead

[orchid nimbus]

It’s actually close to perfect

[zinc dew]

I'm looking forward to people doing side by side comparisons to reinforce just how stunningly accurate this core is or alternatively find issues.

[languid dune]

That you did! That. You. Did.

[rose elbow]

are you on VsyncAdjust=2 ?
I used to be on vsync adjust 2 but started getting annoyed at cores at booting into games taking a few seconds to sync up, DOS in particular was getting unplayable. switching to VsyncAdjust=1 has improved this a lot for me

same goes for RE2, seems improved on vsyncadjust 1. there's a wee bit of tearing between screens but nothing as bad as what i was getting on 2

[orchid nimbus]

Currently I was told it’s a wee to fast

[oblique crow]

I feel like I'm living in one of the best times to be alive. It was great experiencing these things as a kid and young adult, but seeing N64 running on a tiny box, with my whole N64 library at hand is this weird fantasy of mine. When I was a kid, I was like imagine if there was all the consoles in one - wouldn't that be cool? And well... here we are.

What a time to be alive!

[fair stump]

Honestly it's just me being unfamiliar with the game and wondering if anyone sees any changes/improvement with the game 😅

[rose elbow]

fair fair ! i think the resolution switching is inherent to the game itself, that's long been an issue of playing the original game on modern displays

[zinc dew]

As your doctor I have bad news…

Just kidding! N64 all day ‘erry day!

[oblique crow]

haha - well at least for now

life can take turns, trust me 😛 enjoy everythng now as much as possible

[orchid nimbus]

My countdown 🙂 LOL

[vapid hawk]

disable the expansion pak and re2 stops switching resolutions so much

[rose elbow]

ooo

[oblique crow]

Yeah, RE2 runs honestly less wonky with no expansion pack

Learned about that from uncle Derek

[vapid hawk]

RE2 still has like 50/50 odds of freezing on the end boss fight at the mo

[rose elbow]

in terms of like, my tv taking a few seconds to resync at a resolution change, am i right in switching to vsync_adjust=1?

it seems to fix it on my end at least

[vapid hawk]

yeah if you want to stabilize something that switches resolutions a lot

although on psx core you should try using the 480i timings for hdmi option first

[rose elbow]

i might leave it on 1 tbh. booting into games and actually seeing all the logos for a change is nice 😅

[vapid hawk]

yeah, it only costs a frame of latency its not so bad

[rose elbow]

Monuments of Mars on DOS is a single screen platformer that somehow changes the resolution every new level lol. that was the one that made me finally switch over

[prisma ivy]

Hey its me Derek

What a fun guy

[oblique crow]

Seem like generally great people, him and Producer Grace.

[prisma ivy]

Relationship goals

[oblique crow]

himbo video game nerd goals

[broken cradle]

so i have the 2 lights on my saffun on and still no rumble, do i need to enable something in the osd inisde the n64 core?

[fair stump]

Rumble is selected in the osd?

[broken cradle]

under gamepads pad 1 pak?

[fair stump]

Yep, flip it to rumble

[broken cradle]

or system setting rumble pak

[fair stump]

Where it lists the four controllers

That's where you set what is inserted into them

[broken cradle]

let me try real quick whats a quick game to load and test

[fair stump]

Quake or oot

Quake shooting rumbles, link rolling into a wall rumbles

[broken cradle]

ok its working

ty

guess mario 64 didnt have rumble

[fair stump]

👍

[broken cradle]

cus thats what i was playing lol

[zinc dew]

If you play Rally Challenge 2000 it’s max rumble literally the entire time

Who thought that was a good idea?!

[honest ermine]

You need the shindou(?) Japanese version of Mario 64 if you want it to rumble

[languid dune]

Haven't touched Resident Evil 2 on the core much before tonight, and I noticed that the FMVs are all stretched virtically. What an odd behavior. Looking forward to that getting addressed eventually since I've always loved this version of the game.

[last scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhS_CjECO90

[languid dune]

The rumble pak didn't release until it was packaged with Star Fox 64, so that's the first N64 game to support it. Everything that came before that had no rumble support. Some games had new versions released only in Japan (like Wave Race 64 and Mario 64) that added rumble.

[broken cradle]

good to know i honestly didnt remember which games had rumble other than star fox

[last scarab]

Reverse trick/treat is based from this picture

[last scarab]

wait the japanse mario 64 has rumble?

[zenith orchid]

the DD version right?

[stone pilot]

No, not DD

there's an updated version of the non-DD JP game specifcally called "Shindou Version"

which adds rumble (aka Shindou) and fixes some bugs

[last scarab]

is that the one used in switch online n64?

[mellow raft]

No. The Shindou also was notorious for fixing useful bugs, namely the BLJ which is the most important glitch for speedrunners. NSO has BLJ working.

Mario also says "so long gay bowser" in the NSO version. This was cut in the Shindou release

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/09/feature_whats_the_deal_with_super_mario_64s_shindou_pak_taiou_version_anyway

[stiff condor]

This one

[orchid nimbus]

Super Mario RPG 64

[zenith orchid]

"So long-a bowser" might as well be "So long gay bowser"

I think if anything it clears up the confusion as to why he wasn't a challenge at all in SM64. gay bowser is a totally different bowser.

[stone pilot]

Gay Bowser is still the final boss in the Shindou version

he's no longer Gay Bowser in SM64DS though

[zenith orchid]

oh really? I never played all the way through that one

I'm still hoping for some kind of DS core on the MiSTer. Even if it's a high level implementation.

[stone pilot]

https://youtu.be/u3R1ROl9Icw?t=287

[zenith orchid]

I mean, he still behaves like gay bowser, just mario is less rude.

[tidal zenith]

You can take the bowser out of the gay but you can’t take the gay out of the bowser

Is what my mom always said

[stone pilot]

I was mainly referring to him no longer emanating visible gay energy in the DS version

[zenith orchid]

Ohhhh

yeah he's not wearing his colors

but in the earlier battles he wasn't either

on an unrelated note...

[chilly ember]

Finished Superman 64 on superman mode. Fuck this game lol. Guess this means I get the secret tlb build 😂

[zenith orchid]

Fulgore music on KI is so badass

I think that's Fulgore's stage

the game is locked but the music is still playing

[zenith orchid]

Pff, you did this on an HDMI modded N64 😂

[chilly ember]

Hahah yea right :p

[zenith orchid]

I scanned through the video to see if you opened the OSD 😄

[chilly ember]

I didn't and I'm not doing it again just to open to osd at the end :p

[zenith orchid]

or you could have the overlays on :p

fine, if it's any consolation, I'll believe you 😄

I still can't believe you played all the way through this one though

[chilly ember]

Still got the weird camera glitchy thing from end scene so it's legit haha

[zenith orchid]

And in this case I mean that I'm in shock that you did

[chilly ember]

Hahaha the only reason i played through it was to mark it off in the list :P, i'm never touching this game again

[zenith orchid]

Yeah its legit. I still highly recommend keeping the error overlay on if you're recording or taking screenshots. it might reveal something useful

[chilly ember]

Yea maybe :p

[zenith orchid]

anyway, congratulations 🍻

🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃

[chilly ember]

Awbacon should be happy to know it's completable

[zenith orchid]

So how does it feel to have beaten the worst game on the N64?

[chilly ember]

Happy the jank fest is over and I never have to play it again

Now every other game will be gold in comparison. Daikatana is 100 times better

[zenith orchid]

Haha I was about to say... Daikatana next?

[orchid nimbus]

so long king bowser

[zenith orchid]

https://twitter.com/igetin_/status/1122906802675421185

[orchid nimbus]

dude - for the love of keeping the peace

Mario is not the Taliban

[zenith orchid]

He's a little rude, but yeah he's not a terrorist at least.

[pale granite]

having played it that much, is it something fixable with some quality hacks /bugfixes, or is the game horrid even without technical problems?

[orchid nimbus]

he stumps the brains in of mushrooms .... tosses turtles in the Lava .... launches his best friend into a pit to save his own skin....

[dusty tusk]

I think martinet, god rest his soul, actually misremembered. Sounds like he may have been saying "So long eh Bowser". Martinet was Canadian at the time

[orchid nimbus]

he ain't dead dude

[iron trail]

I was about to say lol

[chilly ember]

I don't think it could be fixed well enough. probably has far too much jank. There's alot of game breaking shit all over the place. Glitch through a wall and not be able to get back in the level so you need to restart. Sometimes you'll fail a mission on rings instantly for no apparent reason. Pick up a car and accidentally touch a wall and get tossed across the map but the mission at that point doesn't fail so you gotta through all the rings again

[pale granite]

yikes. even with fixing glitches, those rings are nasty

I only ever tried the game for 5 minutes and controlling it seems hard

[chilly ember]

The rings are probably the most fun in the game, there's a few escort parts that are complete bs

[pale granite]

escort mission are terrible in most games, but the whole thing smells like lazy game design

[zenith orchid]

I think it just had no direction

like they had no idea what to do with a superman game

[chilly ember]

It's terrible and I don't reccomend it, I've played some bad games and usually have something nice to say about them but superman 64 is just awful

Can't reccomend it at all, it really is as bad as they say it is

[zenith orchid]

at least its not dr. jekyll and mr hyde

[chilly ember]

I'd almost rather play that :p

[eternal ravine]

Now do Paperboy and Carmageddon

[orchid nimbus]

Ford escord racing games suck

[zenith orchid]

I didn't realize wetrix is such a bloody game

and the announcer sounds like a junkie

but I hear a lot of good things about it

[pale granite]

maybe you havd to play then with a towel, like every proper frood would

[pale granite]

it does look like Famicom Transformers bad

[zenith orchid]

wetrix doesn't seem like my game. keep getting leaks in practice mode

[eternal ravine]

@pale granite
Is it DOS Mega Man bad

[languid dune]

They also removed it in the 3D Allstars version on Switch.

[orchid nimbus]

I got the cart here lol

[pale granite]

Transformers is worse. Like you die in the first second bad

Im not even joking, I couldnt belive it when I tried the cart

[eternal ravine]

Famicom does have some top shelf kusoge

[pale granite]

it does. and sometimes I wonder if we should have a kusoge of the month channel

[chilly pivot]

Deadly Arts working flawless

[chilly pivot]

And the music from the game is awesome!

[wanton sun]

so the stray color pixels in some games was not a bug, but a missing feature of the RDP

The ants in Banjo are also fine now 🙂

[hollow rune]

I am trying to up the quality of my video capture and was wondering how this looked. @night saddle and @cerulean elk, I would love your feedback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSzSqxwntTQ

[versed cairn]

Thats so awesome! what was the feature?

[wanton sun]

RGBA correction: in 4x4 subpixel rendering, a triangle edge may not fully cover a pixel. In this case the shading color cannot be taken from the pixel position, but must be adjusted for the subpixel where the edge is (start or end of polygon), otherwise the color might be off and wrap around. So full red comes after no red 🙂

this hits games that use color shading e.g. for lights or texture details

[tulip coral]

I wonder if this fixes the green pixels on the moons face in MMask, at the end of the third day

Sounds like it should

[twin torrent]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Would that possibly fix the pink shaded water in Diddy Kong Racing?

[daring meteor]

So the RGBA correction is very visable? Surprising

[rose elbow]

thank you for fixing the ants !!! 🐜

[wanton sun]

no

what is even the fastest way to see that water? do i need a savegame?

[wanton sun]

i was surprised as well. Until today i always hoped it is not required and i can save the ressources, but unfortunatly, no

what is visible however is only the wraparound. A clamp alone might already help, but well, now it's done

[daring meteor]

Is there a thing left at this point which is not required?
(Other than 64 Bit TLB)

[wanton sun]

the endboss: little/big endian switch in the cpu 😛

[daring meteor]

lmao

[wanton sun]

(no i will not implement it)

[twin torrent]

Just leave the intro running and it'll show very soon

[wanton sun]

what is soon? my emulator runs at 20% speed in this game

[twin torrent]

I see... Well I think any place in the game where there is water you can find the pink shading, it's very obvious. I still think the intro would be the fastest way, it comes right after the game logo, you get different scenes and the first one is a water race

[wanton sun]

ok, will try it

[daring meteor]

I think its 30 seconds on the intro?

[twin torrent]

Thanks for considering that, and for everything you do on Mister

[wanton sun]

ok found it:

[daring meteor]

Yes

[twin torrent]

Right

[wanton sun]

my emulator:

so i should be able to see what is happening

[lean spruce]

Whoohoo! Looks like bug in the core then?

[twin torrent]

I hope it's not to much trouble or resource consuming in Mister

[wanton sun]

probably some kind of alpha blending feature

not all tiny sub-features are implemented yet, this RDP has way too many

[lean spruce]

dont the core have some other issues with alpha blending? Like the wireframe lines in OOT tree trunk entrance for example?

[wanton sun]

at least i can reproduce and debug it now, maybe tomorrow

yes, there are more bugs, but those are typically on the edges. could be they are solved with the RGBA correction

at least some of them

this one is fixed

[lean spruce]

oh wow! Was that fixed with the stray pixel fix from today?

[wanton sun]

yes

probably subpixel alpha color overflow

[lean spruce]

This Christmas will be a N64 marathon for me! 🥰

[wanton sun]

dust lines in star wars racer is also fixed

[daring meteor]

How much did this feature cost?

[wanton sun]

250 ALM or so

[daring meteor]

Ah

[wanton sun]

i could reduce it further if required

currently all 4 colors are calculated parallel, but i could do it sequentially, there is enough time (clock cycles) available

[rose elbow]

exciting :)

[loud pebble]

At a gathering for fellow parents at my kids school. Everyone talking bout work or education or serious stuff. All I can think about is how the hell am I gonna win the Jack Cup on expert difficulty on F-zero.

[daring meteor]

Hahaha

[loud pebble]

I just can't get it!

Thanks again for working on this FPGAzumSpass

A lot of fun and frustration for my daughter and I.

Mostly fun.

[tropic sand]

Just noticed the default car in beatle Racing seems brown.. but red in a emulator...apology for the pic quality

[daring meteor]

inb4 same problem as diddy

[rose elbow]

here's that red car on OG n64

[wanton sun]

beetle racing uses YUV, could be the reason

diddy does not

[daring meteor]

It uses YUV? But there's no E4000 error?

[safe robin]

I sawer yesterday they blue cap in Mario 64 also applies the warp ditter effect on him. Looks so cool now!

[wanton sun]

strange. but i checked in the emulator and it does

[daring meteor]

Very very weird

[wanton sun]

didn't check for the actual yuv texturing, but it uses YUV in the color combiner and in the texture loading

i noticed, because my emulator prints out warnings as i have that not implemented yet

[daring meteor]

Would make sense for the car and skybox

[wanton sun]

can make weather or car color by changing one value of the YUV?

[daring meteor]

The game has different weather?

[wanton sun]

i don't know, just a guess what it could be useful for 🙂

[toxic pumice]

Ramp machine performance up to high speed, 2 notches away from the right hand side, and learn how to take corners quickly by side shifting repeatedly. 🙂 that's the magic sauce

getting good at taking our rivals helps as well - I rarely came first in any races in my master cup completion, but I kept taking the #1 rival out ahead of me and stopping them from getting any points in the race

[rose elbow]

https://youtu.be/64HStgMYTZY?t=910
there's a little bit here, like the white fog effect being reduced in the caves (if that's what you're referring to as weather)

[daring meteor]

Ah

(By the way its broken too in the core rn)

[loud pebble]

Master Cup completion!!?? Man alive!

[toxic pumice]

If you can do expert, you can do master. 🙂

Seriously, the one thing to learn is how to rapidly side shift around corners, especially as it negates things like grip loss and the loss of speed that comes from it

You can win a cup from multiple 4th place - 6th place finishes if you take rivals out too, so you don't even need to win most races

[fair stump]

Truly living up to your name 😆

[toxic pumice]

It is hard, i've played F-Zero X since the game came out and i've only been able to clear expert this last week or so, so I completely get the difficulty hurdle. Master clear came almost immediately after I learned how to clear expert, so if you can nail that down, you'll be golden.

[solemn maple]

Is it known what causes problems with Tony Hawk 2 and 3?

[compact depot]

TLB probably

[daring meteor]

The games are working so no

[solemn maple]

I've only tried them a couple of minutes each. THPS2 seem to work fine except for the text. TPS3 Have the same text problems but also texture problems galore, looks real trippy 🙂

[compact depot]

No TLB related for sure then

[native mesa]

The track design in that beetle game looks awesome

[native mesa]

Woo! OOT had a lot of that in various places this is exciting

[cerulean elk]

Just woke up panda. I’ll check this soon and DM you

[native mesa]

I like to capture in OBS studio which gives some nice features, shaders, effects etc. I'm personally a fan of upping contrast and color a bit to make things pop more. But it really depends what you're going for. I think it looks good

[hollow rune]

That's what I am using. I made some changes according to Mwalrus and awbacon and I think things already look better

[cerulean elk]

@hollow rune looks good. Clean, no macro blocking, good colors. That being said it’s a slow moving example. Try capturing a bullet hell shmup or any game with very fast moving objects. That’s where you see if the Bitrate you selected holds up to the task at hand

Encoders fail there if the Bitrate isn’t high enough.

I’ll check my OBS later this afternoon when I am in my office to see what I have my fixed bit rate set at

[spare meadow]

This is happening in the intro of Ocarina of Time. Is it a normal thing?

[hollow rune]

Will do

[cerulean elk]

Yeah if OBS captures hold up super fast moving captures you are golden. I just use bullet hell shmups / fast racing games with lots of scenery to test because the encoder always struggles there if it’s not ingesting enough data to compress the video

[fair stump]

I'd be interested to hear what settings you land on so I may try them myself

[oblique remnant]

Mischief Makers is set to completable. No graphical glitches but I encountered 2 non reproducible crashes at Boss Stage 2-11 and 3-12 with Error 0080000 otherwise it plays perfectly

[solemn marlin]

Starcraft is cool, I assume it's all original campaigns specifically made for n64

[fair stump]

In the Duke nukem zero hour options your choices for "controller" are duke, atomic, shaken, stirred, nuke, Nitro, Golden, and diamond. What 🤣

[solemn marlin]

Never seen it run so well, ever, it has always been one of those that never worked or just lagged too much

[fair stump]

Kind of a bummer this duke game has a lot of controller presets and is relatively flexible but there's no un-invert option

Otherwise it would probably feel pretty modern

[cerulean elk]

@hollow rune

[zinc dew]

Inverted is the OG!

[fair stump]

Oh I know 😆 it's been a very long time since I've played that way though

[cerulean elk]

your brain is inverted lol (its too early for well crafted burns)

[zinc dew]

I’m view look ambidextrous lol. Inverted is my preference but it’s not the standard at all anymore.

[fair stump]

That was me during the halo 1 era

[cerulean elk]

inverted is for the devil. I press up...I want up!

unless its a flight stick / cab mounted gun

[runic cliff]

Hello All, i have the message : This game is not designed for use on this system on several games, if i choose PAL/NTSC, no change and if I change the CIC no more luck, any idea? Thanks.

[cerulean elk]

you have the N64 database text file?

sounds like you are hitting region lock out protections

also do you have the PAL pif? In case you are trying to run PAL games and only have the NTSC pif

[solemn marlin]

I complain about this too, there must be a patch that uninverts

[runic cliff]

Yes i have the database Text file, and the PAL And NTSC PIF. This is odd, Fzero JAP or USA is OK, Cruis'n world USA is ok, Cruis'n USA (USa and EU) is ok but not Cruis'n exotica for example

[cerulean elk]

odd. Not sure on that one

id restart the core and try again. The old power cycle. Otherwise Ive got nothing

[ornate obsidian]

Ok so what exactly am I supposed to use regarding save files? Cause my Mario 64 save persists even through power cycling with EEPROM4, but my Banjo save from yesterday is completely gone

[zinc dew]

Read the FAQs and Pins to make sure you have all the right files

[weary palm]

Have you updated MiSTer main?

[ornate obsidian]

I've done that and I cant see anything related to the issue I described though or i'm completely blind

[weary palm]

You need newest MiSTer main and n64 database.

[thorn flax]

thus was from the interlaced test core btw

captured with the remote app

and... the prior core

crt output of 480i is what it is of course even over top line scart cables it's very soft and hard to tell whether it says 10:00 or 18:00

actually, it's gotten slightly harder to see on the interlace core on a crt

see if I can capture it

[daring meteor]

The old core wasn't interlacing

[thorn flax]

well that was my problem then

goddamm I'm dumb

well, here's the 2 for comparisons sake

normally only think of ps2 with text too thin for interlace (and 360)

more of a dumb font choice than anything else at fault

[solemn marlin]

The interlace stuff isn't fixed with an update right?

I see no difference in starcraft

[fair stump]

There was a temp build Robert posted in chat for it. It may be in the next proper test build

[solemn marlin]

Gonna wait then 💅

[runic cliff]

Yes I'm up to date

[daring meteor]

They look both progressive to me

[weary palm]

Build date?

[runic cliff]

It's OK, i have replaced the boot.rom and the boot1.rom with good one (the last N64update script has changed the two?)

[weary palm]

N64 update script is deprecated

[thorn flax]

please keep gifs out of chat.
thank you

[weary palm]

MiSTer v231018

[zenith orchid]

THPS2 last I check is completely missing shadows and texture shading in the levels. The player start location in the hanger should be completely dark.

Maybe it's LOD, maybe it's YUV..

@wanton sun maybe your emulator can determine what it is 😄

[mild ether]

More memes please.

[daring meteor]

If Nintendo 64 is so good where is Nintendo 65

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/memes/

[orchid nimbus]

Moar!!!!

[weary palm]

There

[mild ether]

Sweet addition to the website!!

[fair stump]

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[mild ether]

Eazy E one is still my favorite so far.

[hollow rune]

My mom likes it the old style way with the camera on the horizontal axis. It makes Captain Toad challenging in co-op because we set it that way and then the rest of us are a bit confused

[thorn flax]

the ultimate meme would be a video, it starts with the screencap of "1 game by Christmas" followed by a sideshow of every working n64 game working to the tune of Mr Blue Sky

[cerulean elk]

Lol looking over my shoulder (not really but I did something similarish to show soon)

[solemn marlin]

I'm sorry, I'll make sure to use more updated file formats

[daring meteor]

Why is he an emote

[orchid nimbus]

added thanks

[weary palm]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJwkEk14/

[weary palm]

They must be Atari 2600 players. 😉

[native mesa]

Is this AI art?

Then us curmudgeons were like meh it's a poor software emulation

[daring meteor]

I'm AI art

[native mesa]

I am iron man

[quasi storm]

Clearly you aren't using a nineties mindset...

[native mesa]

The one from the song

That travels in time

[orchid nimbus]

the one that goes O O O O O O O O

?

[solemn marlin]

TLB?

[marble cargo]

I haven't tested that interlaced core yet, but has anyone tested Pokémon Stadium 2? I remember the interlacing in that game being weirdly crusty on previous builds.

[native mesa]

Portal 64 is interlaced too I believe

[solemn marlin]

Are there any games in that resolution or only for gui stuff?

[native mesa]

I think some expansion pak "high res" modes

[hollow rune]

Come back Christmas

[daring meteor]

Robert some months from now be like:

[thorn flax]

when there's tlb on the menu

[orchid nimbus]

2 months or so

[stone pilot]

we ain't had nothin' but maggoty no-face patch for three stinkin days!!!

[ornate obsidian]

Ok so latest database, latest Mister Main, the latest N64 core and Banjo Kazooie save files still doesnt remain after turning off the Mister completely with EEPROM4, already checked FAQ, Vampier site, tried searching old posts regarding this issue and haven't found anyone with a similar problem. Mario 64 save files does remain afterwards with the same EEPROM4 setting as it should be.

[native mesa]

My brother met the Yev Kassem actor

[vagrant ivy]

you have to open the main menu to complete a save

[fair stump]

I was just about to post interlace comparisons and now there's a new test build 😆

[wanton sun]

the interlace is just as in the testbuild from yesterday evening

so the compare is still valid for the current build 🙂

[fair stump]

Old vs new

[daring meteor]

Wait, did you change the logic to be per 4 clocks instead of 1?

For RGBA

[wanton sun]

no, it's the "lazy" implementation

[daring meteor]

Alright

[ornate obsidian]

Ok i'll try and see if that works

[fair stump]

Anyone have games they want checked?

[wanton sun]

i spend the last 4 hours to install the capture card, but it's just broken. Wanted to do a firmware update and after that didn't work it only produces bluescreens...

[vagrant ivy]

Same in every core. when you want to complete a save open the main menu, dont just quit out

[cerulean elk]

Lol welcome to capture cards. Elgato?

[wanton sun]

Avermedia

[daring meteor]

It captures bluescreens

[wanton sun]

should have bought the professional device 😉

[fair stump]

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[cerulean elk]

Capture cards suck. I dunno why but most consumer cards, PCI or external…just blow

[daring meteor]

My cheap 10$ capture card is alright, just middling video quality

No drivers or firmware

[cerulean elk]

I fight with my Elgato a lot. Won’t see sync. Won’t see the device on USB randomly until restarted

[wanton sun]

i bought 2 cheap ones before. if often have to replug them so they work again, it's annoying. First one lost audio completly at some point, can only show video anymore. So i thought i buy some 200€ card with better quality...haha

[kind solar]

mfw i just updated my n64 core

[cerulean elk]

Can always return it @wanton sun and go the Blackmagic route. I ran that eight hours a week for over a year live-stream directing and ISO recording…no crash, no lost signal, no failures. Had a 99% uptime ratio and that 1% was because we lost internet and couldn’t stream. So the Mini Pro ISO had a 100% uptime for me

[whole yarrow]

now finally i can play Mortal Kombat Trilogy 😄

all day testing

[fair stump]

Looks like the white seams in the OoT intro are fixed, was that this build?

[wanton sun]

should be

[latent galleon]

and yet i have a blackmagic and had to spend two weeks back and forth with them convincing them that the specs on their page were incorrect, by the time it was over and they offered a refund i was too exhausted to actually deal with them any more

[fair stump]

And the seams in the fog of shadows of the empire are gone too. Looks perfect now

[wanton sun]

maybe i do that. for now i just don't have any motivation for more devices. Will start a new try in some weeks or so

[mild ether]

This must be a photo op.

[latent galleon]

@wanton sun can you do thunderbolt?

i just needed 4:4:4 1080p, otherwise it was a really smooth experience

[fair stump]

Is this yellow bar on the side of Namco museum new?

[spare meadow]

Trying RE 2 and there’s slowndown at the beginning of the game. Is this happens with original hardware too?

[hollow rune]

It was brown and disappeared last time I tested it

[wanton sun]

don't think so

[latent galleon]

yeah i bought it to use on a mac, oh well

just sitting in a drawer

[wanton sun]

mainboard says it can do that: "1 x Thunderbolt™ AIC Connector (5-pin) (Supports ASRock Thunderbolt™ 4 AIC Card)"

i have no idea what that means, never used thunderbolt ever

[languid dune]

Don't remember, but the FMVs are stretched vertically, which they are not on original hardware.

[daring meteor]

It means you can add a PCIE x4 Thunderbolt card

[latent galleon]

i think intel made thunderbolt free to use and renamed it usb4?

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/ultrastudio/techspecs/W-DLUS-12

[mortal panther]

For Mario Kart 64, this latest test build got rid of the white lines on the sides of the mountains in Choco Mountain track. 🥳 🎉

[native mesa]

I like the avermedia cards ive only ever used internal ones though. The only downside is I can't have the blue LED turn off by default. You have to use their janky software

[languid dune]

I love how we've reached the phase of fixing minor issues in games. Really just shows how far its come in such a short time.

[native mesa]

Sorry yours is broken

[mortal panther]

That will be for The Last Build.

[native mesa]

People won't know what to do after Robert drops TLB

[latent galleon]

the last boss

[mild ether]

TLB for Christmas?

[thorn flax]

does regular n64 bomberman use it?

[mild ether]

Would be pretty amazing to predict 1 game working by Christmas and have all of them booting by Christmas instead.

So we can all laugh and play reindeer games.

[native mesa]

Analogue is counting on it!

[latent galleon]

ouch

[zinc dew]

He’s not wrong. Analogue profits off the open source community and unfortunately that’s unavoidable as part of being open source.

[latent galleon]

[zinc dew]

That’s a bygone conclusion in my opinion. This core will be fully done by Christmas.

[mild ether]

That would be pretty amazing.

[fair stump]

No pressure on the devs plz 😄

[mild ether]

Analogue also brings people to MiSTer though so it's not a total one sided deal.

[zinc dew]

Apologies, I can see how that can be viewed that way. I spoke from the perspective of skill and momentum.

[mortal panther]

If he was optimistic. 😏

[zinc dew]

It’s true, I think they’re wonderful gateway devices for hobbyist platforms like MiSTer and just great devices on their own.

[marble cargo]

Man Christmas is two months away, and we still don't have a single game working on the Nintendo 64 core yet. 😔

[fair stump]

Oh I'm not too serious 😄 I know nothing about the technical side but know Robert will amaze us

[latent galleon]

my bygone conclusion will be that the n64 core will be the most compatible, bug-free and accurate recreation of an n64 console until ares implements the fixes robert finds for all the weird shit people in here have found to complain about

rollercoaster of a take

also that the analogue core will magically be just as accurate but pass any leftover nanosecond timing tests because dedicated hardware

[mild ether]

It was learning about their FPGA NES and its unavailability that got me into MiSTer. Couldn't be happier not buying it.

[stone pilot]

And now you can get an FPGA NES on a keychain

[marble cargo]

So will there be a bob or weave option for the interlacing?

[fair stump]

So generally speaking, if the core says the video is interlaced now it should not have issues like text rendering weird?

[latent galleon]

the good news is the rest of the world has duckstation, mgba and ares and everybody benefits in both directions

[mild ether]

MiSTer has been like reliving the years when emulators started coming out.

[mortal panther]

I felt the same way with several of the cores.

[little socket]

not being held back by old hardware, there is no reason to doubt that analogue64 will at least have a chance of looking better than mister with 480i content (without additional external hw)

[mild ether]

I always wanted emulators to be 1 to 1 with the real thing and FPGAs finally make that a reality.

Really amazing with the price of arcade hardware these days.

[mortal panther]

Experiencing the progression of the CPS-2 core was almost like eagerly awaiting new CPS-2 Shock XOR releases over 20 years ago.

[mortal panther]

That one finally been dumped?

[zinc dew]

My favorite game!!!

[fair stump]

Last year I would not have guessed I would get a whole new appreciation for the n64 and see a huge chunk of the catalog as I have now

[zinc dew]

2023 is the year where everyone realizes the N64 is better than everything else

[mortal panther]

Unless you're a real gamer and have known that for 30 years.

[mild ether]

Don't over sell it. 😂

[mortal panther]

Okay... 25 years.

[little socket]

you mean worse.

[mild ether]

It ain't no 3DO but n64 is alright I guess.

[toxic pumice]

shame it didn't stand a chance against the Jaguar.

(jaguar core when)

[vagrant ivy]

we already have a Jag core

its been available for years

[orchid nimbus]

@toxic pumice you just should be part of the 'club'

we colored nicks are

[orchid nimbus]

goodbye yay bowser

[mild ether]

so long gay bowser

[thorn flax]

anyone ever figured out exactly what Martinet was trying to say?

[zinc dew]

Always sounded like "So long-zee Bowser"

to me

[thorn flax]

like, "So long-a eh bowser"

[quaint pewter]

So long hey, Bowser

[solemn marlin]

The console wars must live on in perpetuity, I intend to fight someone to death over ff7 and ocarina of time in some nursing home

[night silo]

This is what I always assumed

I remember someone asking Charles what he said and he claimed its "so long King bowser" but I just can't hear that no matter how hard I try so I feel like he's mistaken lol

[mild ether]

I am pretty sure it's supposed to be "so longaa bowsers" in a bad Italian accent

[thorn flax]

best Italian accent

[mild ether]

But gay bowser is way more fun.

[mortal panther]

"So long, eh Bowser?"

[orchid nimbus]

this is why i don't do Dutch accents

too much confusion

[daring meteor]

He said "Buh bye"

[mild ether]

Like Daytona USA it's "I want to fly sky high, let's go together" but sure sounds a lot like "I want to fry sky high, let's go to gay bar" which is way more fun.

[wraith estuary]

Didn't we have this exact conversation yesterday or am I hallucinating?

[orchid nimbus]

Excuse me while I kiss this guy

[fallow reef]

nice, looks like those white lines that were visible above the orbs in drake lake in wave race are gone

[deep beacon]

“Choking on the ashes of a rattlesnake” - Kurt cobain

[mild ether]

Ok, what song?

I want to hear this forever now.

[wraith estuary]

All Apologies

[fair stump]

Yesterday vs today

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/YVlcADaT94o?si=aEqr_CNtA_nQfjxG

[solemn marlin]

Which game 🤔

[fair stump]

Yakoucuu II

[mild ether]

One the best soundtracks of the 90s!

[orchid nimbus]

Persona 5 : I am a chef chauffeur, apples mashed puree

[mild ether]

https://youtu.be/tpoeFw3H8E0?si=3if2QzXr6_OinmGw

Track 5 "I want to fry sky high, let's go to gay bar"

[zinc dew]

Thanks for pushing that build, Robert. Really exciting just how quickly you smash through issues.

[thorn flax]

waiting for the end times

[quaint pewter]

🎶 What a difference a day makes... 24 little hours.... 🎶

[languid dune]

I noticed that the frame rate counter is broken for high res interlaced games. It always says 60fps even when a game is clearly not running at that. Star War Ep 1 Racer being a good example.

[fair stump]

Robert mentioned that as being locked at 60

Though it could still be a bug

[languid dune]

Ep 1 Racer? It's definitely not.

[thorn flax]

ambi-light adding to the vibe

[mortal panther]

The counter is locked at 60, not the game.

[fair stump]

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[languid dune]

The counter yes, but not the game.

That's why I mentioned that the counter is broken.

Even Resident Evil 2 displays it at 60fps. And that game is locked at 30fps.

[wanton sun]

the counter is not locked, it just counts how often the framebuffer base address is changed

if a game changes the framebuffer pointer to do the interlace effect, it does indeed switch the image contents 60 times per second. But the framebuffer behind might not have new content

[mortal panther]

I do see the counter dip below 60 occasionally, so that probably coincides when the game dips below 30?

[wanton sun]

i could implement a special logic for interlaced mode to only compare framebuffer in the same field, but it's silly to do that just for the fps counter

[daring meteor]

The frame buffer base adress being changed each frame is surprising

[lean spruce]

We are not Digital Foundry over here 😂

[daring meteor]

Analog foundry

[mortal panther]

Hah... I'm watching a DF video right now, as a matter of fact (Spider-Man 2). 🤣

[wanton sun]

there are at least 3 different ways of doing interlaced and switching between two images with each being a half image is one of them

another would be to use one image and change the base address between line 0 and 1

[lean spruce]

That’s the high res mode on Saturn right?

[languid dune]

Could a 480p mode be added similar to the PS1 core late in development?

[daring meteor]

As in, in progressive mode

[languid dune]

Interlaced games look so bad on modern TVs.

[wanton sun]

depends. static 2D screens can look nice in the high resolution

[languid dune]

Yeah, motion is where the problems show up.

[wanton sun]

480p mode could work, but only without VI features. Bare framebuffer without AA

it should probably use full 24bit then, so no dedither is needed

[languid dune]

It's impossible to not see the constant interlaced lines when a game is in motion. Looks great on CRTs, but on modern flat panel displays, the "effect" is broken.

[lean spruce]

I wonder if an external scaler would handle it better?

[languid dune]

It's difficult for me to play the high res Saturn games as well on that core for the same reason. It's so distracting looking that it's actually hard for me to play them.

[lean spruce]

Maybe try analog out into a retrotink instead

[languid dune]

But yeah, not something to think about until everything is implemented and working. It's ultimately a nice to have, and not a necessity.

[native mesa]

What? Where

[cerulean elk]

Yeah interlaced on a modern panel is always gonna look a bit shit. You need the CRT to hide the look.

[languid dune]

Indeed. The curse of retro gaming on modern TVs.

[native mesa]

Well I wouldn't call deinterlacing 'hiding the look'

You could always output to a Retrotink. Deinterlacer is pretty good

[latent galleon]

i also don't think it always looks shitty?

[dusty tusk]

Wasn't there a pulldown method that's been all the rage lately with interlaced video

[native mesa]

OBS deinterlacer is hit or miss

[languid dune]

Only with static images. Don't move in a game, and it looks fine. But the moment motion occurs it always looks shitty.

[hollow rune]

Testing time!

[manic basin]

Wow...the white lines in Episode 1 Racer are completely gone! It, to my eye, looks perfect now!

[languid dune]

Yeah, a lot of games benefitted from today's update. This phase of development is always so interesting. So many games look great, but have little things here and there that need fixing. And then boom, there it is.

[thorn flax]

And confirmed, a stray green line, that appeared on the moon when skull-kid cast his spell, has gone.
brilliant work @wanton sun

[stone pilot]

https://github.com/nand2mario/nestang

[zinc dew]

It's wonderful seeing everyone's amazing attention to detail. Casuals like me are in your debt for noticing and finding these problems.

[languid dune]

I wonder what causes the Resident Evil 2 FMVs to stretch vertically to fit the screen? I look forward to that getting addressed in the future since I love the N64 version of RE2. I just can't do a full play through until my wonderfully compressed FMVs are in the correct aspect ratio!

[vapid hawk]

whats weird is they're different on biohazard2

[languid dune]

I'm proud of myself for including "wonder" twice in that post in celebration of Super Mario Bros. Wonder weekend.

[wanton sun]

the incomplete VI output implementation

[dusty tusk]

Flashy glitchy textures in puyo puyoon party. Just choose the option in the upper left image and mash A.

[wanton sun]

currently the available lines are stretched to full height and aspect ratio forced to 4:3

[vapid hawk]

ants in banjo looking great now 🙂

[languid dune]

Is that similar to what causes Excitebike 64's high res mode to do the opposite and squish itself vertically?

[wanton sun]

probably

[dusty tusk]

Could also explain the stretch that happens when entering kong barrels in dk64

[quasi storm]

Anyone else notice the fps counter is now inaccurate? Take virtual pool, for example. If you turn on ball trajectories with the L button, it will give your cue ball trajectory as well as those of every ball it will hit. Pointed at a fully racked set of balls, this will tank the frame rate 😆. However, the fps counter still reports 60, when in reality it's more like... 15?

Virtual Pool was always weird, anyway. If you don't move, the fps was zero.

[fair stump]

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[quasi storm]

Oops. Missed that...

[manic basin]

I'm playing that bug guy game... and trying to squeeze in Wonder....and trying to capture core updates.... Sonic is nowhere to be seen. Ain't got time for that. This is a nexus of gaming this week.

[oblique remnant]

I've just noticed that Hybrid Heaven runs now in 60fps in Hi-Res Mode 😮 before it was 15fps. Edit seems that FPS counter in Hi-res is broken? doesn't feel like 60fps but def. higher than 15fps

[fair stump]

Greetings from Mr Itoi

Hal made a whole fishing game for him and I will never understand how to play it

[thorn flax]

finally captured the before and after

[dusty tusk]

It looks fun too, but theses so much dialogue

[latent galleon]

that green line was driving me nuts!

[uncut gyro]

Looks like a regression, I didn’t notice this when I tested late last week

[fair stump]

The interlace fix makes everything look so nice when comparing

[wanton sun]

i don't have the yellow bar:

[fair stump]

Reloaded the game and it looks like it's gone

[tulip coral]

Awesome it’s fixed I noticed this green line this morning playing MM 👏👏👏

[fair stump]

Not sure what happened there I guess

[hollow rune]

I will take a look. Like I said it was brown for me once

[wanton sun]

there are still some reset bugs

[dusty tusk]

Uh, when did ready 2 rumble start working?

[hollow rune]

No vertical stripe for me today

[manic basin]

A few builds ago... it's different on the N64... I can't explain it. But it feels off. Hehe. (as a whole, not the core specifically...I played it first on Dreamcast)

[chilly pivot]

Man i love the progress of this core! ❤️

[hollow rune]

Finished a race in Polaris Snocroas

[eternal island]

can already play a lot of the ones i really enjoy on n64 fully. star fox, oot, mm is one i need to play through still, mario 64, mario kart, all work great

[hollow rune]

@weary perch

[eternal island]

only ones im waiting on now are goldeneye, paper mario, KI and conkers

conkers though i prefer via xemu on steam deck

still a big appeal to the n64 one for me though for nostalgia

oh and later turok games but ive heard from a buddy the first is the best one

ive only played the first turok

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day is main one I'm waiting for, I like the N64 version over the Xbox version. It's still good on Xbox but there's some things that didn't carry over from the N64 version that I don't like. Also they butchered a couple cutscenes

[hollow rune]

The next one crashed though

[eternal island]

i lile them both, nostalgia says i prefer the n64 version, but overall feel and gameplay i greatly prefer the xbox one

some things they did worse, some better. i actually dont hate the part where i chase dowm the cave men

on a surf board

and the music was more catchy there too lol

[quasi storm]

Dang, Namco Museum 64 is quite transformed!

[dusty tusk]

Xbox version generally looks and plays better. N64 has better tediz designs

[eternal island]

does namco museum go the route ps1 with a fun explorable area on n64

[chilly ember]

I don't mind the surfer part but I played it enough times that I don't die right at the end and get frustrated like I used to

[hollow rune]

Nope

[eternal island]

oh..

[weary perch]

yoooooo thanks for the test ❤️

[zenith orchid]

I would love that kind of custom VI build. maybe there are better AA algorithms that don't require divot.

[quasi storm]

I still can't fathom how they could screw up the sound in pacman...

[hollow rune]

Too bad the next race failed

[weary perch]

same thing? crashed in the middle?

still, that's progress

[zenith orchid]

definitely better filtering than 3-point

[hollow rune]

Near the very beginning. Like seconds in. Maybe it is like a memory leak or something and I managed to finish the first race before I hit the limit. But it would reset everything on the next race though, no?

[weary perch]

no idea... i've noticed it doesn't crash at a consistent time, seemingly, it's pretty random

so it could be luck, but i also never completed a single lap before haha

[solemn marlin]

Has any emulator or upscaler ever separated the VI effects for a cleaner image to work with? I feel emus tend do some of the things but certainly not the subtle vaseline look

It'd be interesting to see the VI stuff on a high resolution image

Like a setting you could just turn on for any modern game

[fair stump]

@hollow rune the note for 64 Hanafuda mentions scrolling planets but I'm not seeing an attract mode like that. Do you remember what that's about?

[hollow rune]

I didn't discover the error but go more into the game. I don't remember what it was only that I saw it when I went into the game...

...at least I think...

Too many games.

[fair stump]

😅 that's understandable

[chilly ember]

I've been trying to focus only on one game at a time now until I finish them no matter how bad they are. I think buck bumble is next

[weary palm]

And you know you need to open the osd menu to save, right?

[weary perch]

wave race 64 is near-perfect now. no visual issues. white lines in clouds are fixed and the flickering text was fixed a few builds back

i speedrun that game and it is indistinguishable from console now

[ornate obsidian]

Funny thing is I've had my Mister for like 1.5 years now and I have never once thought about it and never had the issue before either, but yes I did realize I had to open the OSD menu so much have been very lucky to just do it randomly I guess.

[weary perch]

the only way you could tell a difference is with syncing it to hardware, it'd probably drift off there. otherwise flawless

can't say enough, robert's core is jaw-droppingly good already - unbelievable work. i'm gobsmacked daily by this thing

[weary palm]

Before you wouldn't even get a message about it. 🙂

[lament escarp]

Dang I missed 2 updates already. 😄 does that rdp fix fix the tree trunks in oot?

[weary palm]

Yes. https://www.libretro.com/index.php/parallel-n64-low-level-rdp-upscaling-is-finally-here/

https://youtu.be/kVg8cjI7anY?si=8p7nAJz5J2-9Ktb7

[chrome quest]

Guessing a lot of people here are watching Kaze's videos on the Mario mods, but if not, showed some developments being made by another person with new custom microcode. Really cool looking stuff.
https://youtu.be/jAt6mxNrG3k?si=_USUuW-PKOd15wU9

[weary palm]

Kaze is overrated

[latent galleon]

no, you are thinking of your mom

[stone pilot]

I hope to one day be cool enough that people say I'm overrated

[weary palm]

True, I rate my mother much higher than Kaze. Shouldn't I? 😉

[stone pilot]

Depends on how good your mom is at optimizing RAM buses

[weary palm]

The best

[stone pilot]

then sure

[solemn marlin]

Oh that's right, I have seen this, no chance of testing it though smh

[weary palm]

Wrom wrom

[zinc dew]

I think it’s nice he has found himself a community of people who love his work and encourage him to keep going.

[solemn marlin]

What's wrong with kaze? Seems like he just makes mario run well

[weary palm]

Nothings wrong with him.

[cerulean elk]

he spends too much time talking about N64 and Mario. What a nerd. Who spends their spare time talking about a console from the 90s. Get a life losers!

[weary palm]

NO GIFS!

[cerulean elk]

fight me!

lol its one. I will risk the wrath. I needed to sell my joke. Prop comedy

[dreamy kayak]

https://vxtwitter.com/quest64official/status/1715377107516199184?s=46

[solemn marlin]

Yea he does sound like a nerd.. I've also made some hacks tho, hope it doesn't mean I'm a lame nerd 😧

[cerulean elk]

I am cool. Dunno bout the rest of you nerds

I HAVE A YT CHANNEL ABOUT VIDEO GAMES. CLEARLY I AM COOl 🤣 🤣 🤣

[lament escarp]

Yes you are and I am very envious

[cerulean elk]

all the cool kids spend the majority of their free time trying to be successful on youtube and KINDA succeeding but also not as fast as they'd like and they wonder if maybe doing anything else with their time would be more fun? lol

[solemn marlin]

No you're ok, I suspect Robert might be a nerd tho, he seems awfully knowledgeable about the inner workings of a game console from the 90s, maybe a little bit too knowledgeable.. 🤔

[latent galleon]

and obsessed with super mario 64 🤓

[solemn marlin]

I only beat that game with 70 stars, collecting more than that? Nerd 😏

[latent galleon]

i can't actually remember beating it

[chilly ember]

I've got 120 stars once when I was like 7 and never did it again

[solemn marlin]

I stopped 100%ing stuff after donkey kong 64

Might seem like a cliche but that game made me understand that not everything is worth doing just because it's in the game

[weary palm]

You're only like 40% cool.

[latent galleon]

@solemn marlin wrong crowd for this, but i think that is a bit of a disease, like gambling...an evolutionary quirk/itch i am glad is not in my genes

companies take advantage

like loot boxes and "achievments"

i love achieving

nintendo is really the wrong company to attack though, because they were pretty pure about it

culturally

[terse canyon]

todays update seems to have broken xeno crisis loading

[weary palm]

Just look at how much shelf space mystery bags and stuff like that take up in toy stores. Worrying.

[solemn marlin]

Yes I hate it, any stuff like that will turn me off completely, that's partly why I do a lot of retro gaming

[chilly ember]

I like achievements on modern games because it helps keep me track of what I finished but I'll almost never get them all unless there's not alot to get like in the original re4

[solemn marlin]

I don't knock anyone for wanting the achievements or rare loot, I even understand that catering to these desires is a billion dollar industry, but it does nothing for me

[stuck summit]

On the contrary I absoluted loved doing everything in that game lol

[deep beacon]

You didn’t ask for my advice but I’ll drop some anyway. I like your channel. I dislike the padding to ten minutes ten seconds. “Ok now let’s take a listen to this game music for the next 45 seconds.” I stopped following because it doesn’t respect my time. Fair compromise: time stamp each section of your videos so people can choose what they want to see. Thanks for making the channel and I wish you the best

[cerulean elk]

lol why do people think its padded to ten minutes?

I see this comment semi frequently and I never understand why people think its padded to a specific amount of time. I enjoy the music

[solemn marlin]

So many differently colored bananas, I had a higher tolerance for that as a kid but nooo way I'd do that today

[stuck summit]

It's a game that requires patience for sure. It's much easier to have that when you're a kid with only one game to play I guess

[wraith estuary]

Eh , You can't please everyone.
The audio and music in games is super important to me and I'm glad that you emphasize it in your reviews.

[cerulean elk]

oh yeah def never getting rid of it

its more the ten minute thing. I dont know what that is supposed to denote? Like more than one person has asked me why videos are ten minutes or longer and...cause thats how long it took?

[vagrant ivy]

10 minutes is where the adverts can be shown i think

[cerulean elk]

ahh maybe thats why people think it. Its 8 minutes actually

[solemn marlin]

Yea it's also more rewarding in a way because you see it as a justification for further exploration of the game world I guess, now when I older it's easier to see what constitutes as meaningful content

[cerulean elk]

so if i am padding I am doing it way too long 😆

[vagrant ivy]

lots of youtube videos get padded to 10 mins 1 sec

[cerulean elk]

lol easy to put that assumption to bed

[vagrant ivy]

10 minutes was the widely reported value hence when people see videos just over 10 mins they assume padding

anway You tube is #spicy-off-topic

[cerulean elk]

haha yeah....um let me see here

BOMBERMAN HERO IS THE BEST N64 GAME EVER

there we go...back on topic lol

[stuck summit]

Yeah. I have a tendency to run around the world in games I enjoy a lot until I have the levels mapped in my head. I guess games like DK64 and Banjo Tooie trained me for that lol

[prisma hawk]

Ha ha! I don't know, either. Keep up the good work, buddy. As I told you before, I like your videos. I find them digestible, educational and informative concise, pleasant, has good humour and you express your personal opinions and takes whilst respecting other's and those of the community at large. Music and sound is very important to me, if you remember, so I love those music-audio segments. Quite unique for a games channel, to, from my experience. I can also jump to another tab and multi-task in that lovely musical segment, or just sit back and relax and smile, like I am now thinking about it 👍

[cerulean elk]

Quest 64 vid wen lol

[solemn marlin]

I enjoy the moment to moment gameplay in goldeneye and perfect dark for that kind of stuff, not sure if I'm too old for getting to that point with new games.. you liked A hat in time enough to memorize it?

That felt to me a lot like those Rare collectathons

[weary palm]

I've 100%ed DK64 three times and planning to do it a fourth time soon.

[weary palm]

Hardest challenge for me was that stupid owl in fungi forest for some reason. The one you need to beat with Diddy on a jetpack.

I never got a hang of the controls

[solemn marlin]

I actually know what you're talking about, the game is mostly a blur but that was frustrating enough to register

[chilly ember]

I wanna 100% donkey Kong 64 once just to say I did it but I'm still not sure if I ever will commit to it

[weary palm]

Weak

[wraith estuary]

What does VI Async do? I keep hearing about it as something that is remaining in this core.

[chilly ember]

Hahah we'll see, one day

[weary palm]

You gotta be strong for the Kong

[latent galleon]

I too would like an answer to that

[solemn marlin]

I only collect bananas in monkey ball, an actual good game featuring primates

[modern sleet]

Allows the Audio / video to run at the correct frequencies, and not "close enough" frequencies

[latent galleon]

oh well that will fix like every bug I have actually noticed

maybe.

[solemn marlin]

Is it possible to run the core and actual console at the same time, receiving the same inputs?

[modern sleet]

Probably can hack something together, at least to press a button at the same time. Maybe when @desert crow is bored

[latent galleon]

that legit sounds tricky

[wraith estuary]

Thanks MikeS!
I wonder if it will help with some of the random crashes, if they were due to timing issues.

[stuck summit]

I didn't like AHiT, strangely enough... Just didn't click with me. I didn't like the art style that much

[solemn marlin]

It certainly had that unity/unreal engine feel but it was a worthy attempt at the genre, much better than yooka laylee imo

Not very nostalgic about the genre as a whole tho, stop making me collect things

[toxic pumice]

Star Wars Episode I - Racer (USA).z64 - Completable

[manic basin]

Ah, but did you complete it with two controllers? 😉

[toxic pumice]

lol I did not. 🙂

[manic basin]

It's soooo nice now. Very much the Pod Racer I remember.

[daring meteor]

Two fake controllers also count

[native mesa]

I like it. It's a unique thing that other people don't do

[whole tulip]

lol, may I share it?

[elfin depot]

You bet!

[brisk drum]

Deep cut

[river shale]

Wow, the latest build has made some impressive advances. Alien sun homebrew boots - but has an RSP crash and star fox survival rom hack is now in-game and running at a decent frame rate!

[quaint pewter]

All I wanted is just one Pepsiman, and you wouldn't give it to me!

[weary palm]

Oh, hell no. That's much too skill based for me. Give me that DK64 grind instead.

[brisk drum]

I’m not crazy!

[weary palm]

Honestly though, monkey ball gives me motion sickness.

[brisk drum]

Yo fuck you !

Donkey Kong is right up there with Mario

https://tenor.com/view/pauly-d-drake-and-josh-yeah-gif-5357614

[weary palm]

It had to be said

Donkey Goat

[solemn marlin]

I'm not skilled tbh, it's just my favorite zoning out game, just some zen ball rolling, the opposite of whatever dk64 is

[stuck summit]

DK64 is awesome, so that would be the opposite of awesome

[solemn marlin]

It's so shit, final boss is pretty cool but that's all

I don't even join in the monkey rap

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

You just can’t come into an n64 channel and say inflammatory shit like that .. it violates all levels

It against everything we believe in

[solemn marlin]

I'll never put my hands together, I don't want to clap

[brisk drum]

Broh .. like I take pride in never ever letting shit get to me online or rl .. but fuck you bro ..

You don’t wanna put your hands together for the monkey rap .. well maybe you don’t need hands at all ..

[desert crow]

Maybe if you had something that read a single controller, then when each thing polled respond to both with the response. but core and console would have to be perfectly in sync unless you kept track of the polls. very challenging I'd say

[modern sleet]

Yeah, at no point did I say it would be easy 🙂

[brisk drum]

That’s a gangsta ass response

[solemn marlin]

I can get my fix from banjo kazooie, dk64 is just too much for too long, it marked the logical end state of the genre and it's not a pretty sight

[languid dune]

Well that escalated quickly!

[calm knoll]

I like to tell myself that the expansion pak improves performance on games that don't even utilize it 😎

[mortal panther]

You too?!

[solemn marlin]

I don't know how they test cycle accuracy, I thought they did that side by side comparison with the same inputs? Is even anything accurate like that?

[native mesa]

Test roms I think

Like the tests when an arcade cab is turned on

[modern sleet]

Best thing to do is start the consoles at the same time and let them run for an hour

[weary palm]

Don't make a grown man cry.

[weary palm]

That would be World of Warcraft.

Collect 250 boar tusks.

[solemn marlin]

At least there's a social aspect in that, in dk64 you're not impressing anyone but donkey kong

Which, canonically speaking, is a bad guy

[weary palm]

Isn't Donkey Kong the true friend all along? His coconut gun can fire in spurts, for Christ's sake.

It's not the friends we make on the way there that counts, it's the bananas we collected.

And the medallions

[prisma ivy]

Haven't checked this channel in over 12 hours so I can only imagine something was updated

[solemn marlin]

Donkey kong has abducted people which is a criminal offense, also I'm sure there's no license for guns shooting nuts, he's a crook

[chilly ember]

Donkey Kong wants everyone to enjoy his nuts

[weary palm]

Like he needs a license. He's our lord and savior.

[vague socket]

Hey all, no save states on the core?

[chilly ember]

No save states

[weary palm]

Nope

[chilly ember]

Gotta git gud

[vague socket]

Thanks, appreciate the prompt reply.

[weary palm]

Save states is cheating, Matei learned us the true way.

[vague socket]

I cheat a lot

Makes my gaming request seem insignificant tho!

[prisma ivy]

Save states are fine in RPGs

If I'm playing a platformer like Contra, no save states for me.

Contra is a platformer right

Or is it a run n gun

[weary palm]

Both

[vague socket]

In system settings, the Rumble Pack and Controller pack, can they both be ‘on’?

[weary palm]

No

[solemn marlin]

I hope there'll be eventually, I like just being able to shut it off, mike matei be damned

I just save state in the save rooms in symphony of the night 👍

[weary palm]

You can't insert a rumble pak into a controller that already got a pak inside it.

[chilly ember]

Unless its a tremor pak

[weary palm]

Or... Vaseline?

[chilly ember]

Two at once

[weary palm]

Woa woa woa I wasn't ready for porn here!

[chilly ember]

Giggity

[vague socket]

Thanks again. Thought it may be implemented even though the hardware didn’t allow (or wasn’t common)

[weary palm]

One can dream

[solemn marlin]

Robert did the psx core right? Then he'll probably do it for this

[chilly ember]

Tremor pak you had to use a switch on the back to switch between memory pak and rumble so it wasn't perfect. Just saves you from taking it out and reinserting it

[weary palm]

If there's room left

[solemn marlin]

We just remove the code that allows dk64 to function

Surgically enough so that it only affects dk64 and nothing else

[balmy carbon]

I thought save states was out of the question due to the added real estate required

But i could remember wrong

[prisma ivy]

Just updated and played SM64 - its looking better every update. Woo wooo

[weary palm]

Now with vanish cap

[toxic pumice]

really wasn't expecting Starcraft 64 to be this much fun

they did a great job overcoming control limitations

[solemn marlin]

The nintendo logo in cruis'n usa now comes in with the vanishing cap effect, had no idea that that was a staple effect like that lol

[solemn marlin]

It's completely new? I liked the story in the og game, is it just a variant of it?

[toxic pumice]

It's a complete port of the OG game with things like cutscenes taken out, voice lines have been reduced, couple of music tracks, etc

but I believe it's both OG campaign + Brood War

[solemn marlin]

Oh ho interesting, yea I was also surprised by how well it plays, I'll say it again, I've never had starcraft working in emulation so that's really fun

[zenith orchid]

Do mouse controls work? Can you plug a USB mouse into the MiSTer and double bind the mouse to analog stick movements, and the clicks to A, B, etc?

And use the gamepad for the functionality that is missing on the mouse?

Essentially the PSX quake2 with mouse experience?

unfortunately with starcraft 64 you would only benefit from using the mouse to select units, apparently

[prisma ivy]

Imagine a mouse with all the N64 buttons on it

[versed cairn]

Dat D-pad

[cold pollen]

https://twitter.com/ModernVintageG/status/1715871128361795598?t=lGgRQiKiudnhAf44m88r8A&s=19

[stiff condor]

Oof

[native mesa]

Oh Jo

[weary palm]

At least she looks British. The AI got that right.

[prisma ivy]

Well damn this is fun 😂

[zinc dew]

Thanks! Posted a response.

[cold pollen]

Robert has finally made it, MVG mentioned him

He's in the Big Time now

[marble cargo]

Been playing Banjo-Tooie. Just cleared out Grunty Industries, and I haven't encountered a single hitch with the core.

[zenith orchid]

has anyone tried this?

[weary palm]

I don't think you can bind a mouse to a analog stick.

[thorn flax]

love this core

[zenith orchid]

that's too bad

hey since we have a super gameboy core, what are the chances of a wideboy 64 core?

I suppose that would only have value as a preservation effort

[fair stump]

I'm surprised with all the recent fixes that these pink seams still show on these torches. I don't see any other cases of this in clayfighters

[zenith orchid]

Ah, good find

[fair stump]

The test sheet mentions one other place where it happened but I didn't see it there so I was surprised it was still on the torches

[eternal ravine]

63 and a turd

[chilly ember]

I'm finally home and can get ready to bumble

[manic basin]

Similar issue in Portal on the button connectors.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, there’s still some transparency issues across a few games. Hopefully it’s all the same fix.

[chilly ember]

Tried the rumble finally on the 8bitdo kit again after a month or so and it was working for me last night

Yay

[stiff condor]

I'm using the 8bitdo kit and it works really well. I was having issues in training mode on smash remix but it may just be the way that the controller is configured.

[zinc dew]

Make sure to grab the Linux driver unstable in the pins.

[chilly ember]

Yea I'm not sure i only tried it on the shindou version of wave race and buck bumble. I just played a race of wave race shindou to easily test if it was working

[stiff condor]

I'll check it out, everything else seems to work from the limited testing I've done

I also have OSD set to D-down and Z. I didn't know where the best combination was

[fair stump]

Is that game generally looking better now with the interlace update?

[chilly ember]

I've got zr mapped to osd for me on 8bitdo kit, works fine for me. Haven't accidentally pressed it by accident or anything

[fair stump]

Before and after

[stiff condor]

Man some of these I can barely tell the difference

[fair stump]

Wow I can't believe the full screen borders on Mace the Dark Age were confirmed on real hardware. That's wild

[manic basin]

Yes. And sound works. Overall, it's a fun 10-20 minutes.

[prisma ivy]

Ohhhhh Mace....

[fair stump]

I just saw that transition effect

And I appreciate you wrote down the interlaced mode issues per game. Makes it easy to check they are all better now

[zenith orchid]

It's nice to see all those little differences, while they're still visible

[night saddle]

Analog controls just do not translate well to mouse. The autocentering snap back and variable movement depending on how far the stick is moved, just would not ever work well there

[zenith orchid]

Hmm, then how come it works with N64 mouse?

[night saddle]

Games that are designed for a mouse are a different story. Just a different included input mode

[random portal]

Stop Conker from splitting Yoshi innhalf wirh the chainsaw!

[zenith orchid]

Well, the N64 mouse seems to "work" on every game that uses the analog stick and the A and B buttons

to the extent that you can play them with only that much functionality

I watched a YouTube video demonstrating that

[night saddle]

Maybe it's a special mouse made to translate analog control better. Not familiar with that specific peripheral

[zenith orchid]

Ah okay

that mouse would be so useful if there were a N64 controller port coupler

[fair stump]

[chilly ember]

Aren't the only officially supported mouse games the mario artist games on the DD?

[brisk edge]

I would imagine the randnet disk as well

[chilly ember]

Oh i guess that would too. But there aren't any others that would get any use on the core besides the mario studio games?

[brisk edge]

I think that's all of them. Maybe Sim City 64 could?

[prisma ivy]

I thought this was Uncke Derek hi its me Derek

But then I noticed Football