Nintendo 64

[weary perch]

same thing for iQue and unQue actually

PAL works fine

[safe robin]

how big is the database now 😱

[dusty tusk]

Anyone else find menus very touchy with the last mister main?

[elfin depot]

There is a delete...if you so wish

[brisk drum]

Nah its staying .. y’all need to know about the greatness of seagal here

[orchid nimbus]

really small 38kb

[safe robin]

The updater finished and showed me it downloaded a bunch of other files too, so everything is good. Just looked like the database is the culprit 😅

[weary perch]

JP excitebike 64 does have a pretty decent number of changes compared to USA, but no idea what would be causing it to freeze

[orchid nimbus]

weird 😄

RIP

[daring meteor]

So, the only game which should not freeze but does is Excitebike 64

Japan

[wanton sun]

not sure yet. I will just do it at some point i guess

[daring meteor]

So if you need a reproducible crash, I guess Excitebike 64 Japan is an example

[wanton sun]

hmm?

i'm ingame

[daring meteor]

Guess something did change very recently than haha

[weary perch]

last time i checked was 1009

something recent may have fixed

[daring meteor]

Weird but alright

[chrome quest]

Excitebike 64 Japan also fine here. Time to start running down the list....

[wanton sun]

ok, i will sleep again, haha

[daring meteor]

Sorry for waking you up haha

I'm gonna start clearing the list of TBCs

[weary perch]

Excitebike 64 iQue seems to work now too, had the same crash

unQue also working now

core progressing too fast for testers to keep up 😅

i had Glover run overnight twice now - no crash. played thru the tutorial as well. had like 20 hours of glover running with zero crashes. seems that one might be put to bed unless there's something specific later in the game that causes it

Rugrats in Paris is just bizarre. it can be stable for hours or crash in a few minutes

can't figure out what is going on there

[ember linden]

You could say I'm somewhat familiar in this topic

[torpid hornet]

is there something specific to do to get the nso n64 controller working? I though the update_n64 and main update would have the drivers in

[ember linden]

The Mario Artist games do use the RTC for timestamps when you save files

[prisma ivy]

ooooo that is very satisfying

[ember linden]

Communication Kit uses the capture cassette

[prisma ivy]

I'd like to know more about this capture cassette but don't want to derail the core discussion

do you want to share a pic of it in #mister-hardware ?

[ember linden]

Atm I'm at work, I was just sharing a Pic from my phone photos

But I can do that later

[prisma ivy]

oh okay cool

[brisk edge]

No golf or that stupid expensive Doshin extra disk? For shame (jk)

Absolutely beautiful collection for real though

[worn delta]

Oh wow! Would you be willing to help me fill in that sheet? If you are able to please just request edit access

[cerulean elk]

ooo

[ember linden]

DM'd

[prisma ivy]

ugh there is a meme I need to create right now and it cannot wait until after work

it is a mistake to open Discord during work hours 😄

[daring meteor]

There's two nagano 98 games?

[cerulean elk]

how we feel?

[hearty oar]

Unfortunately for whatever reason sorg hasn’t cut a release yet for the Linux kernel image, which contains the drivers. So you’ll just need to grab the latest “unstable” build here #unstable-nightlies message

Just replace the zImage_dtb file in the linux directory at the root of your SD card with that one

[toxic pumice]

after playing around with the f-zero x expansion rom conversion hack, I can't even get it to save custom machines and tracks in an emulator. 😦 So it isn't a core thing exactly.

[torpid hornet]

ooh thanks a ton, time for some mischief makers action

[brisk drum]

It’s busy but cool

[cerulean elk]

I ran with it. Tomorrow at 4

[brisk drum]

I’ll be there

First comment

Gonna be bout yo momma!

[odd vector]

Short question: Does F-Zero X DD work? The normal DD rom or a patched one?

[toxic pumice]

No proper 64dd disk support. The conversion / patched rom will work and save cup progress, but will not save custom tracks or machines.

[weary perch]

they require ROM saving support

[odd vector]

Okay, thanks! Is it included in the no-intro package?

[toxic pumice]

Thank you for the clarification

[weary perch]

man, Big Mountain 2000 is a really fun game but the progression/balance is so jacked up. if you do well and progress quickly, you'll get brickwalled at a certain point because you don't have the upgraded gear. then you just have to grind for awhile until the game gives it to you...

i guess they meant for you to fail repeatedly so you have more chances to grind

you kinda get punished for doing well 😄

nothing holds a candle to 1080, but i much prefer Big Mountain 2000 over Twisted Edge

mechanically, at least

there's a thing that happens in that game which i really need to check if it happens on original hardware, but it only really happens for a single frame so it's kinda hard to check. when something comes between the camera and the racer, the screen goes bonkers with striped green/purple lines. it's a blink and you miss it thing. just need to check if it happens on real hardware or not

[mortal panther]

I can smell it.

[chilly ember]

Yucky

[zinc dew]

How did people get the Puyo Puyo Sun 63 translation working?

[chrome quest]

Set "EEPROM4".
To add to the database file, according to @quasi basalt use ntsc|cic5167|eeprom512|rpak

[thick terrace]

any new games work?

are we supposed to be updating the N64 database file? mine's a few weeks old.

[fair stump]

Wrestling games and nba jam 99

[daring meteor]

By the way, this is the last time in a bit any new games get added

Until TLB

[viscid gate]

Has anyone noted that Portal 64 sound is now working?

[thick terrace]

What % playable are we now?

[weary perch]

it's like 85% playable for USA now

pretty nuts

[vapid hawk]

yep

[weary perch]

boots & no boots are 14.4% currently

[brisk drum]

Pray for TLB

[weary perch]

and lots of games have no error codes and no easily discernible issues

lots of candidates for Perfect once async VI is done

[fair stump]

Quickly reaching the point we'll need hardware comparisons

[weary perch]

it's already difficult to find a pixel out of place. syncing up hardware and the core for timing is probably the only place you'll see issues for the games that are near-perfect

[hollow rune]

I dreaded this day. My dad's desk will be very full

[cerulean elk]

yes I had it in yesterdays video

[hollow rune]

Maybe we should make a list of stuff we want to capture

[worn delta]

Did this use to work with the old database? I am hoping we haven't lost any entries moving to a new format

[chrome quest]

I don't know. I'm on the "new" version.

Never tested until 2 days ago

[latent galleon]

is this database stuff permanent?

[solid crest]

Yes. Anything that plays 64 roms use a database. Emulators and flash carts.

[worn delta]

Previously it seemed everything included with the major packs e.g. No Intro and htgdb had an entry and was set up to work. I am hoping this is still the case and we haven't taken two steps forward and three steps back

[weary perch]

haven't tried that translation in particular but have had no issues on the new database, everything that was previously detected still is as far as i've seen

[latent galleon]

@solid crest thanks. i'm surprised there hasn't been any kind of header added

[zinc dew]

@hollow rune heads-up I edited down the Notes section for Paper Mario to eliminate the double sized row.

[hollow rune]

We could add list of requested footage to the testing sheet and maybe we can upload them to the drive so people and see or is YouTube good enough. I am down for making a collection of attract modes, but I am not sure if the compression on YT will mess it all up

[zinc dew]

Yeah, depends on what Robert needs.

[hollow rune]

Yeah, maybe I am a bit ahead of myself. I don't even know how it worked with PSX core. I guess he had a modded console?

[zinc dew]

Not sure, but I think the idea and willingness to do it is wonderful though.

[solemn marlin]

What is the hi def mode for twine? Slightly higher resolution with worse/same framerate?

[chrome quest]

Question on how to record the sheet.
Wave Race 64 - Kawasaki Jet Ski (Japan) (Rev 2) (Shindou Edition).z64
No Boot. There is a workaround, but no boot given modification of settings is required in order to boot. I guess that is correct

[native mesa]

What's clock timer? Like a quartz clock?

[chrome quest]

Just thinking Fifa 64 requires Data Cache modification too, so should be made No Boot aswell on that basis. I'll check is there anything else like that

[fair stump]

I would think no Boot makes sense for any cases that require a workaround

[daring meteor]

88% playable on Japanese, excellent

[chrome quest]

Curiously J.League Live 64 (FIFA 64 in Japan) works just fine. No Data Cache issues. The game menus are completely different, released within a month of the US/Europe release. Hmmm. Wonder if it has TLB. Onto the next tests....

[dusty tusk]

Sad to discover there wasn't a justice league soccer game hiding out there

[fair stump]

I thought the same thing

[native mesa]

They should have made mega man soccer 64

[dusty tusk]

Looks like machines do in fact not save in fzero X Expansion Kit. Still worth playing over stock X for the new tracks and stereo music

[cerulean elk]

double up on bitrate panda

one way to get around YT compression is to just throw more data at it then you possible need

[hollow rune]

I don't know a lot about digital video, so if we get to the point this is needed I will for sure reach out

[cerulean elk]

yeah just DM me when you need help

[quasi basalt]

The save type is missing in both of the databases so I don't think it was lost in the move to the new one.

[worn delta]

Good good. Is this version from a pack of did you patch it?

[quasi basalt]

I patched it myself. It matched the hash in the old database

[prisma ivy]

I love these theoretical N64 games.

Mega Man X's Soccer 64

Flame mammoth as goalie plz

[chilly ember]

You can kick a can in mega man 64

[cerulean elk]

you can also accidentally kick the rabbits

[chilly ember]

Accidentally lol

[paper orchid]

You can kick a lot of things

[chrome quest]

Testing TLB in Project 64, fun stuff. Sometimes PJ64 crashes immediately... but when it doesn't, it's always crashed in the exact same spot as the core

[chilly ember]

There's the dogs that attack you that you can kick too lol

[paper orchid]

That's how you can get the darker Megaman in Legends

[chilly ember]

You can also kick the vending machines and destroy them to get darker megaman

[paper orchid]

Or just take the money in one of the missions

Then you become instantly dark lmao

[native mesa]

Calling him mega man is a lie and a sham

[neat sierra]

Im mega mad you said that

https://youtu.be/ULslwGCpOdc?si=j56tmGXkiOpFPOrZ

[native mesa]

Oh no

[neat sierra]

“According to an interview with the animator, Mega Man has a green color scheme because the animator forgot that Mega Man was originally blue, and nobody at Nintendo or DiC caught it” <- for the ignorant

[native mesa]

Wasn't samus a dude in Captain N too?

[zinc dew]

Looks like Top Gear Hyperbike is missing a texture blending mode. Can see clearly in the intro where textures are different colored blocks.

[cerulean elk]

looks like you are missing a blending mode. I can see your textures

(I dunno what I am trying to do here lol...editing and getting bored)

[native mesa]

His mom is missing a blending mode is what you meant to say.

Although last time I did a mom joke here they got really offended

[zinc dew]

lol

[eternal ravine]

My mudder was a saint

[cerulean elk]

last time I did your mom you were offended so

[eternal ravine]

A saint i tells ya

[chrome quest]

Checked PJ64 for all the non-playable Japanese games (24 total).
There are no exclusives* in there crashing that do not require TLB.

A few minor differences that might be interesting?

• Mario Story (aka Paper Mario) has a bit 5 PI error same as US, but unlike the PAL version. Doesn't show the thread error screen of the US version though
• Ganbare Goemon - Dero Dero Douchuu Obake Tenkomori (aka Mystical Ninja 2 Starring Goemon) freezes on a BLACK screen after 2 logos, no errors flagged. PAL version has WHITE screen after the same 2 logos, with one of three different errors (0080050, 0080040, 0080005)

The only exclusive non-playable game with interesting behaviour is Nushi Zuri 64 (Japan), which doesn't have TLB.

@hollow rune Well spotted on the overworld map missing everthing. You might be interested to know the core does something better than PJ64. As of the DEV version a few weeks old, when text appears in the intro, everything outside the green dialog box goes BLACK. Core beating PJ64 on that front!

[junior yarrow]

Oh yeah Japanese paper mario doesnt show the crash handler when it crashes (at least not from any tlb related crashes) so it continues to play the music

[mossy needle]

It's that TLB dirt

[dusty tusk]

Great if you want ambient bird chirping, wife thought there were birds outside

[chrome quest]

@hollow rune Looking for repeatable crashes on the sheet, noticed you had one for Diddy Kong Racing for failing Taj challenge. Was that one consistent? I'm not so familiar with the game

[hollow rune]

I have not tested it in a long time. Trying to complete Magical Tetris Challenge right now but I will check afterwards

[hollow rune]

Actually I never tested the Taj challenge thing. I thought it was something else. I will try to get to one.

[chrome quest]

Ahh. Was that a note left by someone else then?
Can't really find many crashes now. Well, not reproducable ones anyway

[chilly ember]

I think people are erasing some of the original tester names when they update the list lol

[chrome quest]

Isn't that what you have to do?

[chilly ember]

I finished twine, marked it as completed then it was rgw panda and now it's meauxdal

I'm not sure haha, I just put my name beside the other

[mossy needle]

I thought the name of the tester reflects the run they did

Especially of they finish the game

[fair stump]

Yes

[chilly ember]

Works good until no knows who made the notes haha

[hollow rune]

I am trying to remember to put the completer's name in the notes. Please add your name back in if I didn't write it down. Super sorry

[chilly ember]

No worries just mentioning it

[weary perch]

maybe could add a "completed by" field

[chrome quest]

Found a crash, but again not a consistent one as Robert was looking for.
Nintama Rantarou 64 Game Gallery
In the first game mode randomly from seconds to about a minute in. Hangs on 0080000

[hollow rune]

No we should have a record though. That way there is an expert to consult

[solemn marlin]

Anyone finished pilotwings?

[native mesa]

Jojo reference in N64 chat?!

[hollow rune]

Nope, but I have done it in the past

Might take it on

[solemn marlin]

It plays and looks really well, I see no more garbage, is it an added star if it's possible to 100% it?

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/x0JjA0N0ML0?si=EmJWc_3gN4yy77LO

[fair stump]

Was really hoping for the Tim Rogers mario + shotgun sound

[stiff condor]

It looks like smash remix boots now but it is slow, I haven't tested the original

[stone pilot]

Smash Remix worked great for me when I tried it

[calm anvil]

Mister unstable still needed?

[marble totem]

Which wrestling games did today's update improve?

[river shale]

Power puff girls game - payer models only display sometimes. See video. No errors on the error overlay.

[stiff condor]

I just used whatever core just downloaded from update all

[river shale]

This is with the latest core. I have not tried this game on previous cores.

[night saddle]

torneko was the original character. shopkeeper from dragon quest/warrior

[fair stump]

Yeah this has been noted for a while

Definitely an interesting one to keep checking

[dusty tusk]

I thought shiren was first

[topaz otter]

whats the trick with kicking the can in the market

you kick the can behind the counter the lady is standing at

and you get money or something

[chilly ember]

Gotta kick it behind the counter for easy 1000 zenny is all

[topaz otter]

yep thats right

[marble cargo]

That can kick trick is actually useful early on to grind for zenny

[topaz otter]

I just beat this game a while back and now I remember kicking the can until I got enough money for the grenade launcher

damn that game is amazing

[marble cargo]

You can repeat it as many times as you want, so you can earn a lot of money quickly.

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-man-megaman-legends2-data-dance-cute-gif-17833951

[chilly ember]

I usually don't bother doing it more than once because the tv game show games are the fastest way to make money as far as I know

[topaz otter]

this monkey

DO

YOU

WANT

TO SAVE

stupid bot just warned me to not spam it

but capcom spammed it back in the 90s so

[chilly ember]

Luckily he sets himself on fire in megaman legends 2 trying to cook

[topaz otter]

of course he did lol

i havent played legends 2

i have played tron bonne though, that game is fun

[chilly ember]

I think I only played first level of Tron bonne. Got at least half way through legends 2 I think. It's bit a harder than the first one

Especially because the game gets harder if you go upgrade your digger license

[orchid nimbus]

Did you ever see the comparability list?

[topaz otter]

the original megaman legends is like a wacky anime cartoon

the guy that played tron bonnes brother though went to prison

[zinc dew]

I own all the mega man legends, I am a cool person!!!!

[topaz otter]

you are indeed

if you own the actual physical copies

then you are also very rich

i had to play it on the ps2 because my ps1 laser is dying

🥴

[hollow rune]

Just finished a round of Jeopardy

[topaz otter]

is that italian?

[hollow rune]

I typoed

[topaz otter]

sometimes I forgot that there is a jeopardy for every nintendo console

[prisma ivy]

They did Jeopardy dirty

[hollow rune]

It will roll the credits after and my mom absolutely dominated the trivia. We finished with almost 20,000

[topaz otter]

we had the nes jeopardy and we memorized all the words in the game

it was too easy

nevermind that was wheel of fortune lmao

I have dementia from old age

[chilly ember]

Who's gonna finish a game of monopoly now? 😂

[hollow rune]

Now she is reading National Geographic before bed, so that tracks

[prisma ivy]

You are playing N64 Jeopardy with your mom?

[hollow rune]

yeah

[neat sierra]

Oops that was for general

[prisma ivy]

That is so damn wholesome. I am jealous

I wish my mom lived closer so I could do that

[chilly ember]

Me too

Hahah Jk

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/le-tits-sean-connery-snl-celebrity-jeopardy-gif-16437140

[brisk edge]

That's nice 🙂 and probably the first time someone has had fun with N64 Jeopardy in like 20 years lol

[hollow rune]

Honestly, you wouldn't say that if you knew the intensity she brings to the proceedings

[prisma ivy]

Oh? Your Mom sounds fun

When I was a lot younger my mom would play Wheel of Fortune on DOS with me

[brisk edge]

I remember Mario Golf was a big hit with my immediate family when we rented it. I didn't really get the appeal at the time, but now I do

[woven olive]

I think the Acclaim games ECW Hardcore Revolution and the two WWF ones. No change to AKI engine titles as far as I can tell.

Possibly one of the non AKI wcw titles. Did not test.

[cerulean elk]

WCW vs NWO seemed to have more menu than I remember

Last time I tested at least

[fair stump]

@hollow rune did you or your mom wear an oversized hat while playing like so?

[cerulean elk]

I tested No Mercy, WCW vs NWO and war zone today

[cerulean elk]

I always wear that hat in my day to day existence

[woven olive]

I always test No Mercy. I figure once it looks right in the intro and menus everything else will be good hahaha.

WVW vs NWO no change, Revenge no change, Wrestlemania 2000 no change

[cerulean elk]

A lot more menu then before that’s for sure

[woven olive]

Wrestlemania 2000 has the worst menu text. as in it's all missing

[cerulean elk]

I didn’t test that one

But no mercy had a lot more text that before for me. Like I didn’t have to navigate black boxes lol

[round hull]

anyone here played aero gauge ? anytime i get to the second round in the game. the controls ingame stop working like it crashed but the game is still running

[zinc dew]

I beat a race and that was enough for me lol

[woven olive]

Unsure when you tested it last but I'm like 85% certain it's been the same since I sent you video.

[cerulean elk]

I test so many cores even I forget

What were the improvements today then? Now even I’m confused lol

[fair stump]

Hey, you! Get back to playing quest 64!

[woven olive]

You'd have to ask @wanton sun but I think just Acclaim games. I think ECW Hardcore wouldn't boot and now it does.

[hollow rune]

No but we should get one of those.

[zinc dew]

[cerulean elk]

ECW worked. I tested that one before p

[native mesa]

Today's update was some clock thing to get past some copy protections

[woven olive]

Well who the eff knows lol

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/aihsxsm3ovjm641kf7jn5/WWF-No-Mercy-Menus.mkv?rlkey=tez5j5ublr03j0a6wkfkwev4d&dl=0

[fair stump]

But for real, how is quest 64 gonna be referenced in the next doom?

[woven olive]

From Sept 7th stub build

[zinc dew]

I don’t work there no more so they’re gonna have to figure out that conundrum

[cerulean elk]

Haha well it’s a lot of wrestling tomorrow

[native mesa]

I want to see doom time travel with BJ and Commander Keen

[fair stump]

Aww

[cerulean elk]

And other stuff

[native mesa]

Robby did you work in Wolfenstein new order

I loved that game

[compact lark]

Didn't know there was a PPG game for the N64.

[topaz otter]

now I'm mad

i had to burn megaman legends to a cd-rom to play on ps2

like some kind of plebian

its embarassing

my friends say, well robby has physical copies of all the legends games

oracle, thats me, are you too poor to buy them

and the answer is yes, I am

[chilly ember]

I had a copy of megaman legends when I was a kid but I borrowed it to a friend and they wrecked it

[topaz otter]

did you break their legs

one time I let a kid at school borrow link to the past

he didn't destroy it but he said it was the worst game he'd ever played

he let me borrow links awakening though and it was great

[chilly ember]

Hahah no but it was an early lesson to never borrow things to people

[brisk edge]

I was in like...2nd grade? I think when I lent a friend some N64 games

he ended up moving a few months later

never got my games back

and that's when I decided to never loan games out again

lost my copy of Smash and Space Station Silicon Valley

[topaz otter]

i got so many n64 games with kids names written on them in sharpie

if I call out your name say present

kevin

ben

stephen

[chilly ember]

Oh so you're that guy that has my copy of superman 64

[topaz otter]

burt(?)

[chilly ember]

Lol Jk I never had superman 64

[brisk edge]

sorry michael, you're never getting your copy of batman returns on snes back. I bought it from an ebgames

[topaz otter]

thats the only one I don't have

so many times have I passed it over at trade it

[native mesa]

Curtis has my Super Metroid

[topaz otter]

and I just can't think of a logical reason to own it

[zinc dew]

As a warning

[native mesa]

Fuck you Curtis I hope you're in jail

[zinc dew]

I own it lol

[chilly ember]

I'd buy it for 50 cents and still feel like I over paid

[brisk edge]

I convinced someone to buy Superman for me because I agreed to play it for them and endure the torture. I had a good time lol

[topaz otter]

Curtis is in jail, for four counts of assault and two for armed robbery

[manic basin]

This one is for @orchid nimbus

There are so many weird little emulators on N64.

[chilly ember]

Msx64

[topaz otter]

i know this game

[brisk edge]

mame, neo geo, gameboy/color, msx. any others?

[zinc dew]

NES?

[manic basin]

<JurassicPark.gif>

[brisk edge]

oh right, NES too duh

[manic basin]

Scumm, SMS...

[brisk edge]

had no idea about the scumm one until you shared some screenshots the other day

[chilly ember]

Does scumm support the N64 mouse?

[brisk edge]

I should really try that one out

[manic basin]

I believe it does. I'll have to double check.

PC-Engine, ZX Spectrum, Chip8

[native mesa]

I feel like MSX is a treasure trove of good games I never played

[rose elbow]

aha. i was playing around with Doom 64 last night and tried remapping the controls to keyboard. it technically worked but wasn't very playable coz the controls are pretty catered for joystick movement

[brisk edge]

makes sense that a lot of 8-bit stuff is emulated on n64, definitely doable

[chilly ember]

Goldeneye has a zx spectrum emulator in it

[brisk edge]

is there an open source zx spectrum emulator or just the one hidden in goldeneye

[manic basin]

Yes, confirmed on the emu site, it supports mouse.

[topaz otter]

people have been writing emulators for this thing for as long as its been around

[chilly ember]

Nice that might be a decent way to play the games on a non pc crt

[topaz otter]

I'm trying to figure out how though because the everdrive hasn't been around that long, did people write homebrew programs on the n64 using stolen devkits

I know about the dr. vr jr. thing that you could have it run a program off a cd rom

[manic basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_V64

Yeah

That

[topaz otter]

and I know that you can dump a program to it through the parallel port gameshark

[chilly ember]

Alot of stuff was made for inaccurate N64 emulators, like lots of super mario 64 hacks so they don't work on real hardware

[topaz otter]

but this thing wasn't sold in that many great numbers

[rose elbow]

sad

[eternal ravine]

So DOOM and Hexen are both pretty solid for N64?

[rose elbow]

Doom better than Hexen. i dont think Hexen is very good port personally

but Doom 64 runs nice

[manic basin]

Keep in mind there was also the HLE emulator in 99. With more emulators to follow. But those only ran hacks, I think. Because HLE relied on specific games being specifically stubbed.

[eternal ravine]

I played some DOOM last night with all VI options disabled
Looked pretty snappy

[topaz otter]

phil spencer won't shut up about bringing Hexen back to the xbox btw

[rose elbow]

Doom 64 with texture filtering turned off* looks SICK

[chilly ember]

Original Doom has that homebrew port but I never tried it

[zinc dew]

It’s ok

[topaz otter]

this is true, that program was like a wacky rubiks cube of what would work and what wouldn't

[zenith orchid]

That would be cool if n64 could run PICO-8

[topaz otter]

i had to use a glide wrapper to get it to run with an ati card

[rose elbow]

oo actually maybe Hexen is running better now, i'll need to check. last i checked the performance was pretty low

[chilly ember]

It would be cool if there was a Pico 8 core but probably not powerful enough. Some of those Pico 8 games are intense

[zenith orchid]

Complete Edition has a really cool option that lets you keep the filtering applied to the sky texture

[manic basin]

Complete is, and I don't use this term loosely, RAD.

[rose elbow]

yeah i'll need to check that. i remember seeing someone mention crashing on Level 2 so i felt like poking around the vanilla game first

[manic basin]

I mentioned it before, but the WAD from the Gamepass version works for the complete patch.

[topaz otter]

doesn't doom 64 have a level where the cyberdemon teleports around the room

[rose elbow]

lol

[zenith orchid]

pico-8 is a software based virtual console though. you can't make a core for it technically. unless its possible to make a system that natively runs Lua byte code

[brisk edge]

something I wondered for SNES too, there's plenty of old scene roms that have intro screens. I guess they must have just like coded stuff by hand in hex and tested it on copiers

[topaz otter]

or they had stolen or copied devkits

or ones they got from companies that went out of business

[zenith orchid]

but if N64 can run a Lua environment, it might be possible to run PICO-8 on it

[rose elbow]

also got that white m30 yesterday and tried playing some games using that. mischief makers for example just doesn't make any sense unless playing on n64 at the very least

[zenith orchid]

haven't been able to reproduce that

[rose elbow]

nice nice!!

[topaz otter]

I have seen a lot, and I mean a lot of third party hardware for the famicom that was just for making pirated games or playing them

[rose elbow]

i know Doom 64 got that recent re-release but its pretty fun playing it more closer to how it was when it came out and how i remember it

[eternal ravine]

Fighter(s) Destiny 2 is an example where turning off ALL options for VI looks way better
When using default N64 settings, it really looks like the viewport is a vaseline potato

[broken cradle]

i think it was here i saw a doom pic with barney the dinosour, there was a hack of wolfenstein i think where the last boss was barney and he sang the i love you song

[topaz otter]

I actually had that

[broken cradle]

same its why i thought about it

[topaz otter]

we had simpsons doom and barneystein 3d

[rose elbow]

i had a simpsons Doom floppy as a kid. that thing would get me crying laughing, coz every little grunt and enemy gurgle is replaced with full lines of dialogue

[eternal ravine]

Some of us had the Cuss Pack for Redneck Rampage

[manic basin]

Home ImDOOMment is the ultimate romhack though. Or whatever it's called. I think it's just called 'whatever that sound Tim Allen makes'

[topaz otter]

a grunt

I remember when they made that xmen total conversion for quake

and I actually saw it for sale at a retail store

it looked like total crap, and it was

they just changed all the quake monsters to x-men, the story was that apocalypse cloned them or something

but it was still just quake

I can't believe they had the balls to sell it in a retail store

[broken cradle]

i was looking at the games i have on the sd card and i kinda wanna play south park with some friends

i remember that game being fun to play 4 player

[rose elbow]

do the Doom 64 hacks increase the brightness?

i see the talk of making 100 the default but does that means it shifts the values up ?

[manic basin]

Yes

[rose elbow]

oh thank god

LOL

[manic basin]

It's.... very nice.

[brisk edge]

yeah the story goes that the brightness was screwed up in the retail release

[zinc dew]

You’re right but it was still pretty cool when you were a kid

I think my dad got it for me at compusa

[rose elbow]

"Back in my day, we didn't have any of that Day 1 patches downloading bullshit! you buy the game and that's that, the way it should be!"

[topaz otter]

here's the kicker, marvel knew about this mod being sold at retail

[brisk edge]

well, I mean technically there were patches, they were just revisions and only rarely could you get one directly lol

like that wrestling game and turok rage wars

[topaz otter]

and both quake and the xmen cartoon were so popular, they let it slide

[brisk edge]

had to send in your bugged copy

[rose elbow]

yeah Doom 64 is a good example of like, that cart got published and that was that. the game was busted lol

[stiff condor]

I think space station silicon valley got a patch too

[brisk edge]

there is a REV-A rom I believe, yeah

[chilly ember]

That's the one with the expansion Pak bug right?

[stiff condor]

No

Maybe

[brisk edge]

I think that fixes the expansion pak bug but not the collectible that was bugged

[stiff condor]

Oh ok that's what it was

[rose elbow]

i'm curious if Banjo Tooie is playable without expansion pak. im pretty sure the piracy hack for everdrive on that one requires the expansion pack. but im curious if the game is playable without expansion pack in a way that improves performance

[stiff condor]

I know there is a patch online to get the collectable

[topaz otter]

i can't beat this game even with the expansion pack

i got about halfway through it on release and realized that rare was doing

[rose elbow]

coz theres sometimes the instances of, expansion pak improves the visual quality of the game but lowers the performance as a result

[brisk edge]

if tooie is like DK64 they might have been using the expansion pak for visual stuff. I saw it get brought up again the other day but that whole thing about DK64 having a last minute bug was not correct, the game just uses the expansion pak for lighting and stuff like that

[topaz otter]

artifically padding this game out with arbitrary backtracking to annoy me

[rose elbow]

yeaaaah but i need to see it. at least once in my life LOL

[topaz otter]

and useless collectibles numbering in the thousands

[brisk edge]

I'm with you there on tooie, that's why I didn't enjoy my 100% playthrough a few years ago

[topaz otter]

i need to finally beat it

[brisk edge]

absolutely killed my enthusiasm to play the game ever again lol

[topaz otter]

i was fine up until the train

[rose elbow]

the slow framerate is the icing on the cake lol

it is nice seeing an n64 game run in widescreen tho

[chilly ember]

I played through alot of tooie on the xbla version but I got bored and never finished it

[topaz otter]

yeah turning into the dinosaur was neat but the framerate was in the low digits

[brisk edge]

there is a jiggy in jolly roger's that you can't get until you reach like the last world or the one before it

that shit drives me nuts

[topaz otter]

i was laughing when banjo and kazooie were trying as hard as they could to not tell bottles family that he was dead

[rose elbow]

why is that game so grim! 😭 loool

[topaz otter]

and the kids kept saying stuff like, "Dad will be home soon!"

[brisk edge]

you forget how cheeky rare was sometimes lol

[topaz otter]

and kazooie is like, "Don't count on it."

[rose elbow]

loool

[topaz otter]

i was like this is some dark comedy

[brisk edge]

I mean they kill him in the first few minutes too

it's just like damn

well

[chilly ember]

Rare being rare lol

[brisk edge]

guess we gotta go kick her ass again

[rose elbow]

i would've been 10, 10 or 11 when i played it.. and even then i was a bit ??? i didn't understand what they were going for LOL

[topaz otter]

its a really long, punishing game

with ridiculous backtracking, collecting

its too long

[weary perch]

that last mash minigame with canary mary or whatever is absolutely brutal

good lord

[brisk edge]

yes it is

[chilly ember]

Banjovania

[brisk edge]

I hurt my hand doing that

[topaz otter]

it was actually the game that burned me out on platforming collectathon games, I just couldn't do it anymore

[rose elbow]

i hoping it'll be a bit more playable today, as a 'podcast game'

[weary perch]

i admire the boldness of the design

[topaz otter]

yep canary mary

[weary perch]

it's a bit hard to enjoy all the way thru though

[brisk edge]

skip the cheat pages, even if you want to 100% it, that last race is not worth the hand pain

[topaz otter]

they did that crap on purpose

[surreal summit]

Yeah, the general consensus is that BK is better than BT because stuff like this needlessly complicates the game. https://youtu.be/36wclKt4vdk

[chilly ember]

Has anyone tried to multiplayer in banjo tooie?

On the core

[topaz otter]

you mean the thing with bottles as the devil or whatever?

[weary perch]

isn't there also an FPS mode

[chilly ember]

Yea that's the main thing I wanna see

[brisk edge]

I generally agree on that, though Banjo 1 does have a tiny bit of backtracking. Although some of it is skippable if you're decent enough with glitches

[weary perch]

little goldeneye in your banjo

[chilly ember]

I forget it exists most of the time

[eternal ravine]

I always heard that DK64 was the death knell for collectathons

[brisk edge]

for 100% it is

[chilly ember]

I think dk64 still holds the record for most collectables in a game

[brisk edge]

500 bananas and 25 golden bananas per level

[topaz otter]

i couldnt beat k rool at the end

I did everything possible in that game until that

[brisk edge]

I've been working on DK64 100% on the core, picking up from my save from years ago

I decided to play with the tag anywhere mod though

makes it go a lot faster

[topaz otter]

whats the camels name

[brisk edge]

from banjo?

[topaz otter]

yeah is he in donkey kong 64?

[brisk edge]

I think it's a different one lol

[rose elbow]

i 100% Banjo Kazooie recently on the mister. it's honestly not too bad up until the last couple of stages. i did have to look up a walkthrough torwards a few times just to keep momentum but otherwise enjoyable.

[brisk edge]

honestly can't remember though

[chilly ember]

Llama

[brisk edge]

sorry that the quiz game stopped you in your tracks

[rose elbow]

i actually got passed it eventually!

[weary perch]

DK64 has that really nice port of arcade DK just chilling in the middle of the game. seems very nice until they are like actually you gotta 3-loop it or whatever lol

[brisk edge]

good to hear :D
(there's another one in tooie)

[topaz otter]

gotta get that rare coin

[broken cradle]

id learn the speedrun strat just to avoid the quiz show

but thats me

[rose elbow]

..

[topaz otter]

also playing jetpack

and donkey kong's pie factory

[brisk edge]

in tooie you have to do just the quiz portion

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[brisk edge]

against gruntilda's sisters

[topaz otter]

the quiz in bk isn't that hard

[rose elbow]

disagree

[brisk edge]

take it with a grain of salt but I don't recall from my tooie playthrough that the tooie quiz is as like stupidly specific

[topaz otter]

you just have to remember the hints earlier in the game

it gives you the answers

[rose elbow]

thats assuming you read any of it

[brisk edge]

the grunty trivia stuff is not in tooie though

that sister is completely gone from the game

sister? whatever she is to grunty, she's totally gone

[weary perch]

on mister you can hit the screenshot shortcut when you talk to brentilda 🙂

[topaz otter]

theres two ugly sisters right

[chilly ember]

neat the fps multiplayer looks like it works on tooie

[orchid nimbus]

parodius nice

[topaz otter]

and one that looks like glenda the good witch

from the wizard of oz right

[topaz otter]

oh I remember this, we used to play this all the time

[rose elbow]

but even then, the quiz has a 10 second countdown timer and u can't pause in-game, so even if u go to look up the answer .. you'll likely run out of time lol

On Mumbo's Mountain, surrounded by sea, there's a Jinjo, what color is he?

get out of heeereeee

awful

[topaz otter]

he's yellow

[orchid nimbus]

@topaz otter you know MSX games? 😉

tell me more beyond metal gear 😄

j/k 😉

[rose elbow]

wrong

[weary perch]

true

[brisk edge]

trick question, there's no sea near mumbo's mountain

[chilly ember]

Metal gear 2

[weary perch]

you might need to use the screenshots like flashcards rather than open notes 😄

[topaz otter]

how would you know, you didn't read the hints remember 🙂

[rose elbow]

theres questions like this that are unrelated to the hints lol

[topaz otter]

nah I never played the msx

i only know the meme where snake goes I FEEL ASLEEP

[brisk edge]

lol if you really want to torture yourself once you beat tooie you unlock the quiz game as a multiplayer minigame

[rose elbow]

Freezeezy's slalom course is crass, through how many gates do you pass?
38, 28, 48

[brisk edge]

get some friends over, get drunk and get negative scores

[rose elbow]

how is a kid suppose to know that ??

[orchid nimbus]

@topaz otter that's a security guard saying that 😄

[weary perch]

the quiz game is indeed awful lol

[orchid nimbus]

let me make a screenshot

[weary perch]

brutal bit of the game there

[rose elbow]

tbh my method of getting thru the quiz was stocking up on 9 lives then going thru the quiz and picking random answers

exhaust the lievs

go back, get more lives

try again

[topaz otter]

I just remembered that I had the strategy guide

[rose elbow]

eventually got through it lol

[brisk edge]

I wonder if the strategy guide covered all the question pools

[rose elbow]

but then the witch questions are randomized per playthrough

[brisk edge]

cuz there's like 5 or 6? pools

[rose elbow]

the witchs sister tells you facts about the witch throughout the game and each playthrough is randomized

so no guide is able to help you on that one lol

best method is just stock up on lives and bruteforce ur way through the quiz with random picks imo LOL

[brisk edge]

it is "random" but each playthrough is just picking from a pool of questions/trivia, it's not like 100% randomized, at least I don't recall that

[rose elbow]

thats correct ye

[topaz otter]

Let's find out

[chilly ember]

Now you're playing with power

[weary perch]

i guess that's part of Rare's charm, too. they were willing to go pretty far for a bit

having a quiz show about your game within your game seemed funny, so

[rose elbow]

it shouldve just been an optional thing and i'd be okay with it

[brisk edge]

I guess it's pretty devious, I've just played the game enough that I can kinda wing it lol

[chilly ember]

Rare always has to make those end levels a pain lol

Except conker, that one doesn't pull anything stupid

[brisk edge]

I dunno, War is pretty bullshit at times

[topaz otter]

i dont see anything in here about the quiz game what the hell

[rose elbow]

lol

they can't help you

[brisk edge]

"sorry kid, we're not listing it for you, get fucked" - NP Guide Editor

[chilly ember]

The last part with the laser bombs and running to the boat can be a bit annoying

[rose elbow]

it also ended my playthrough as a kid, i never got through it LOL

[topaz otter]

ok yeah I found it

[rose elbow]

very helpful!

[topaz otter]

but it doesn't give you the answers

[chilly ember]

Throws the guide in the garbage

[rose elbow]

its also brutal cos if u get a question wrong, u lose a bit of health and have to do another random question

so getting question after question of these stupid questions u have no idea about lol

its absurd

[chilly ember]

I only finished that quiz once and never played through banjo kazooie to the end again

[brisk edge]

I've definitely done that quiz at least like...maybe 10 times

[rose elbow]

stocking up on lives and bruteforcing is the way to go

[brisk edge]

the real answer, just get some fuckin paper and pencils I guess

[topaz otter]

brentilda tells you the answers

[brisk edge]

maybe whatever route I took through the board only gave me a handful of questions so I just kinda breezed through it, or I prioritized the joker cards and cheesed through it

[mellow raft]

I love it... let's make a list in a guide where you write the answers down. makes a new game and skips talking to them

gets thrown in the furnace

What?

[rose elbow]

itd be nice if the game gave the heads up about the quiz at any point lol

the entire game is full of characters rattling rhyms and cracking jokes

how are you supposed to know what's going to be in the quiz, let alone that there's even going to be a quiz? LOL

[brisk edge]

remember that sweet part of DKC2

[brisk edge]

where you take a calculus test from k. rool?

love that part

[rose elbow]

LOL

[rose elbow]

at least calculus is doable

In Rusty Bay you have been, but what on the walls isn't seen?
Toll 8
Toll 7
Toll 6

[mellow raft]

well she does tell you you're going to need to know them and the keywords rumble around on screen separate from the rest of the sentence. barely any other dialogue does that so it would stand out

[rose elbow]

like i'm sorry Rare, but i didn't spent the last 18 months of my life developing the game and remember every minor detail

[brisk edge]

I hate that that question, I'm like, well, I think it goes as high as 8 eggs lol

[rose elbow]

i thought it was just flavour text to make the game more fun and funny, how stupid of me!

[mellow raft]

At least I would call Banjo-Kazooie the most well rounded in terms of how it handled collectibles for N64 Rare titles. The entire game save for 2 moves can be done from beginning to end (no backtracking except those two moves)

[rose elbow]

YEAH

sorry caps*

[topaz otter]

guess what

[rose elbow]

yeah, the collactathon complaints dont really hold true for banjo kazooie, it's just the quiz i really take issue with LOL otherwise it's a good game

[brisk edge]

you could probably skip the speed shoes and still get enough jiggies for the end

[mellow raft]

it does hold true for Banjo-Tooie though

[topaz otter]

I also have the strategy guide for turok 2 with a full map of the cave of the blind ones

[rose elbow]

oh yes it does :D

[brisk edge]

easy to check that one with the game running at 2 FPS

no time limit there lol

[chilly ember]

Only n64 strategy guide i have is for conker's bad fur day. I got it as bonus for subscribing to nintendo power. I got it on the day i finished conkers bad fur day lol

[brisk edge]

I got my friend to playthrough BK a few years ago, I'm guessing I totally just did the quiz part for him or gave him the answers because I don't remember us getting stuck at all

[rose elbow]

i never got nintendo power but had some australian game mags, not sure if they were truly local or based off something else

[rose elbow]

save states? 🤔

[brisk edge]

we were on xbox

[topaz otter]

you pretty much have to have the guide for turok 2 because that game is impossible without it

[chilly ember]

I still have some nintendo power magazines but they're from the gc days

[topaz otter]

its a lot of backtracking through mazes with the same looking textures everywhere

[brisk edge]

didn't want him to deal with the note/death thing

kills it for a lot of new players

[rose elbow]

whas that ?

[brisk edge]

you know, losing your notes on death

[topaz otter]

deathnote

[brisk edge]

in the xbox version your notes are all saved

[rose elbow]

ohhhh

i was worried about that for most of my playthrough and it never became an issue funnily enough 💪

[brisk edge]

it's mainly an issue in rusty bucket bay

and maybe click clock wood

[rose elbow]

and ticktock

[brisk edge]

yeah

rusty bucket bay is just a huge fuck you though lol if you don't do the engine room first

[rose elbow]

LOOL, my dyslexic ass already getting the name of a level wrong .. this is why i'm so bad at the quiz LOL

[brisk edge]

any new player is 100% gonna die there

[topaz otter]

this is why in rusty bucket bay you get the notes in the engine room FIRST

because of that spinning axel thing

you can fall off it and lose your notes

[brisk edge]

it's harder in US 1.1, Japan and Europe as well

[rose elbow]

yeah i think i had that happen to me in rusty bucket

[brisk edge]

in US 1.0, you can kind of stay on sloped surfaces

they patched that out though

[rose elbow]

LOL

[brisk edge]

so like with enough movements for example

the termite tower in the first level? you can get up it without transforming

[rose elbow]

that engine room had me raging

mildly raging

thats like, Peak Banjo Kazooie

coz if you die in the engine room, you have to then go to a room to hit a switch, and theres no enemies or anything in this route, its just knowing which room to go to

then backtracking, going to another room

hitting a switch

just to turn the blades off

and its like ?? how is this engaging gameplay

im not even doing anything lol

why do i have to have to hit buttons again for a room that has really difficult platforming

my god. banjo kazooie. love/hate relationship

[brisk edge]

it's like 85% golden

[rose elbow]

yeah i still love it

[brisk edge]

and the remaining 15% I've smoothed out over years of playing it

same relationship I have with mario 64

[topaz otter]

you can use the yellow feathers to make yourself invincible and the blades can't hurt you

[rose elbow]

🤔 you can?

Why is there buttons then wtf

who designed this game@!!!

[brisk edge]

the intended way is using the button

I don't think I've ever tried using the golden feathers there

huh

[delicate hearth]

still seeing the bug where the NSO N64 controller only half-connects - has anyone figured out a solution?

[rose elbow]

is that with USB and Bluetooth?

[topaz otter]

it tells you this in the strategy guide that I am currently reading

[delicate hearth]

I've only tried with BT

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758

[brisk edge]

reminds me of how there was that quest in FF9 that was unknown outside of japan for like 15+ years because it was in a Japanese guide, but not in any of the english ones

sometimes we're just missing out on knowledge locked away in these old guides

[chilly ember]

That one where you have to keep coming back to talk to people or whatever?

[brisk edge]

also reminds me, I was looking at an old Mario 64 guide from Japan, it was definitely released in like 96 and it details the BLJ stairs glitch. People must have found that glitch almost immediately

[delicate hearth]

wait you mean everyone DIDN'T just use Wonderwing to get through it?? I thought everyone did that by default o.o

[rose elbow]

i think i did eventually thinking about it

[delicate hearth]

But yeah I've only tried via Bluetooth, I'll try over USB but I'd really prefer to use it wirelessly

[rose elbow]

yeah just curious if it works to troubleshoot

[topaz otter]

isn't it how you get through those spinning blades in clankers cavern

[delicate hearth]

yeah exactly

[topaz otter]

bottles tells you how to use them and then gives them to you

[rose elbow]

but the engine room also has the spinning platforms and u need to hit the switch to slow them down i think

im pretty sure u still need to go out of ur way to hit the switch before tackling the engine room

[topaz otter]

you might be right

[rose elbow]

maybe not necessary but falling in the pit insta-exhausts your health, so its nothing something i was wanting to be flashy with lol

[topaz otter]

I just remember hassling the pirate captain at the bar

and he keeps talking about project dream

[rose elbow]

is that banjo tooie?

[brisk edge]

that's in tooie

[rose elbow]

ey

[topaz otter]

is it?

[rose elbow]

yeah

lol

get ur facts straight !!!!

[topaz otter]

its been 20 years since I played this game

[rose elbow]

its all very fresh for me

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[rose elbow]

thats me after i finally finished the quiz and beat the game

[brisk edge]

I was also just obsessed with that as one of the big trivia things about the game, before we really knew much about project dream

[rose elbow]

its a shame so much stuff gets tied behind legal reasons for not coming out

there must be so much stuff on old harddrives that so many people would love to see

[brisk edge]

rare I'll literally give you money to put out a collection of your betas

please answer me

[topaz otter]

tim stamper shows them off off on his social media all the time

[brisk edge]

it hurts my heart too much to pay attention to it lol

[topaz otter]

he has the 12 tales conker build

[rose elbow]

yeah

conkers 12 tales was one as a kid i was soooo excited for it

[topaz otter]

Captain Blackeye was also meant to appear in the first version of Banjo-Kazooie, which was titled Dream: Land of Giants. He was expected to be the main antagonist in the game but it was never released due to slow development issues. In Banjo-Tooie, he commonly recites the words, I had a dream once... This is a reference to his role in Dream: Land of Giants, while 'a bear stole me glory' references how the game was reworked into Banjo-Kazooie, stripping Blackeye of his main villain role.

[delicate hearth]

we need to do a Mission Impossible raid on Tim Stamper's house

[rose elbow]

i used to rent Mission Impossible all the time as a kid and i have no idea why. i kinda loved it tho

[topaz otter]

i love the fact that he has an actual n64 in his garage and just a stack of protos

[brisk edge]

I'd rather we hit something like copyright only lasts like 15 years and then you can just release all that and nobody can do anything legally

[topaz otter]

i wonder if one day he might make another company and have a team finish some of the old stuff like conker and try to re-release it

[rose elbow]

is it copyright, might be another word for it

i guess its copyright 🤔

[topaz otter]

but there might be a legal thing with nintendo

[rose elbow]

yeah

[brisk edge]

I mean microsoft owns banjo and conker

it's not a mess like goldeneye was

[topaz otter]

before conker became a violent drunk and went off to war he was a sweet and gentle squirrel

[rose elbow]

i had screenshots of that in an old magazine and was soo excited for it

[brisk edge]

too bad his gameboy game kinda sucks

I probably would have like twelve tales a lot, but, I can agree, it would have been kind of same-y with banjo already done

[topaz otter]

I was really excited for dinosaur planet, like ecstatic

but miyamoto messed it up

[rose elbow]

LOL yeah

the n64 build for that is infinitely more interesting

[brisk edge]

at this rate we're gonna have a pretty complete version of the game with all of that hack work being done right now

[topaz otter]

the dinosaur planet beta thing is exactly how I imagined it would look

[topaz otter]

I can't wait

[rose elbow]

that gamecube game is a weird cognitive dissnoance thing, it just feels wrong

[topaz otter]

the version I played crashed and the framerate was pretty bad

[brisk edge]

my major complaint is just that stuffing star fox into it feels so bizarre. I mean you could have used just fox, would have been a bit weird but ehh, I could let it slide

the whole crew and trying to tie it into that universe

always felt way too disparate

[topaz otter]

miyamoto is a madman lol

also the starfox wii u game is one of the worst games I've ever played

starfox zero?

[rose elbow]

really weird that one. would love to hear developers talk about that wii u game

[brisk edge]

yeah, we have a really bad habit of supporting the auteurs of the game design world as always hitting it out of the park or making the correct decisions but they can make just as shitty decisions as we all can lol

[topaz otter]

me and my brother played it in coop

[cold pollen]

Isn't that one supposed to actually be good?

[topaz otter]

one person flies and the other one guns

no its not good

[brisk edge]

it's also not what anyone wanted

literally everyone just wanted starfox 64 2

[topaz otter]

because one person uses the tv and the other person has to use the tablet

[brisk edge]

and that will probably never happen lol

[rose elbow]

it had wii u/camera gimmicks baked into the game or something didnt it ?

[topaz otter]

but the controls are so clunky

they tried to make the levels kind of open world

[delicate hearth]

Looks like it mostly works over USB, but it still sometimes drops out and I need to restart the system

still nothing but wacky nonsense over BT though

[brisk edge]

nintendo pissed me off so much in the wii / wii u era. I understand that you want to push your control methods but why couldn't you also have a more standard control option

[topaz otter]

everything except the arwing is almost uncontrollable

[brisk edge]

you could have both

why only the one

[chilly ember]

I had pocket tales as a kid and i didn't actually mind it. But i was expecting twelve tails from the magazines when i rented bad fur day. I was quite surprised

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/conkers-bad-fur-day-intro-king-bad-fur-day-cheers-toast-gif-17033804974666700923

[cold pollen]

It shows how bad of a decision it was when they port those games and offer regular controls as an option lol

"we know it was dumb here you go"

[topaz otter]

conker was knackered lol

[rose elbow]

Donkey Kong Returns was a good example of that. im sure there are a lot of good examples.. but Mario Galaxy for example i was okay with, Skyward Sword? it's not good but it's not terrible.. Donkey Kong Country Returns was one i outright just couldn't play because of the controls

[brisk edge]

oh god, DKR is so upsetting

I want to like that game

[rose elbow]

the 3DS version was better

[brisk edge]

but that control method is just awful

[rose elbow]

yeahg

[brisk edge]

but why not do a proper HD port with the fixed controls

drives me up the wall

[rose elbow]

i think about this. like with New Mario Bros Wii for example. i think it's a simple thing of; the cost of reworking the assets to look good on HD / the money they'd make back. they cbf

even tho it'd be like, tiny effort

[brisk edge]

you could easily just upscale DKR and it'd look fine

[topaz otter]

dont they make these mario games in a flash type program now?

they look like flash games

[chilly ember]

Diddy kong racing even had a prototype for xbox lol

https://youtu.be/wG2V8T1ZCdA?si=ufBfvkrutqbZm7D5

[brisk edge]

I feel bad for any testers of DKR, I remember watching The Completionist talk about his 100% playthrough, he said it took around 90 hours. I can only imagine that amount of wrist damage that is

[rose elbow]

i also think i prefer the gameplay and level design in DKR over tropical freeze? maybe??

probably a hot take lol

[topaz otter]

thats a well animated rhino

[brisk edge]

I enjoy tropical freeze as a platformer, but as a successor to DKC outside the visuals it doesn't hit the mark for me

too slow

still a fun game but

a bit too slow

[rose elbow]

yeah it just .. it didnt quite click for me. hard to pinpoint why

but i enjoyed DKR way more

[chilly ember]

They're fun but i wish it was more like dkc

I never played much of diddy kong racing, just played mario kart instead lol

[brisk edge]

there's something that clicks in my goblin brain with just rushing through something like mario world or DKC, it just feels fast and fluid

[rose elbow]

eyy i'm not gonna disagree with this :D

[brisk edge]

probably the reason why I feel like returning to them every once in a while

just play until I die or game over and I've had my fix lol

[chilly ember]

I finished donkey kong country 2 for the first time ever like last year, i was a little late to the party on that one

Got it super cheap locally so i had to do it

[rose elbow]

i played through all of them pretty thoroughly as a kid and havent been able to return to them to the same extent since

i do love them and hold them in high regard tho. all 3 of them! 3 is awesome

[marble cargo]

Diddy Kong Racing does not take 90 hours to complete wtf

[brisk edge]

sorry donkey kong country returns*

[rose elbow]

DKCR*

[delicate hearth]

By the way, I can confirm that while 64DD games run in the latest core, you still can't save progress in them

[chilly ember]

That's the issues with acronyms lol, i try to not use them to avoid confusion

[delicate hearth]

Since they save progress by editing the rom itself

[woeful beacon]

Even in this case tho DKR is officially the acronym for Diddy Kong Racing tho

I mean... check this out

[chilly ember]

finally got around to trying that mario paint 64 dd thing

[rose elbow]

oh nice is that with mouse?

[chilly ember]

Nah i did it with a controller xD

[brisk edge]

ice cold lol

[woeful beacon]

Some etchasketch shit right there

[rose elbow]

shake the mister to reset the core

[woeful beacon]

Shake it hard enough and it'll reset something all right

|| your bank balance ||

[wraith estuary]

I tried the NES Excitebike in Excitebike 64 and it was unplayable slow. Can you confirm if yours is still working as expected?

[weary perch]

working fine on 1018 core

locked 60 FPS

USA Rev 1

[wraith estuary]

Thanks! Any settings like cache, etc. That could relevant?

[fair stump]

I didn't realize nfl blitz has snow games

[weary perch]

all defaults

data cache on

[delicate hearth]

The mosue isn't supported yet, AFAIK

And like I said, neither is saving, so don't get too attached to anything you make 😛

[wraith estuary]

Ok thanks! I'll try again

[fair stump]

I'm noticing graphical smearing and glitching in nfl blitz. I didn't notice that before, has anyone else seen it?

[weary perch]

i can try it, where are you seeing it?

[fair stump]

I'll see if I can capture it actually. It's kinda all over the place

[weary perch]

i do see it reports 222 lines in the OSD

which i don't think i've seen before

normally 237 or 474i

attract mode seems mostly normal

[fair stump]

I'm confused by trying and resetting a few times

[timid torrent]

Do you have a combination bt/wifi adapter? They seem to be duds

[fair stump]

I reset and had the white field then reset again and no white field. so are snow games a thing?

you can also see it smearing at certain places

[weary perch]

i remember there being snow games from playing this game as a kid

maybe the snow effect is broken? i haven't seen it on my end yet

[fair stump]

you can see the smearing when I hike the ball and run back a little bit

I'll keep poking around at it and keep an eye out going forward

[weary perch]

hmm

i'm not sure there actually are snow games in the very first blitz game

[mellow raft]

fun fact... it can be an issue. It can prevent you from 100%'ing the game

[rose elbow]

having to redo levels?

[weary perch]

i also reset the game like 20 times and went thru many attract modes and never saw the issue

[mellow raft]

no have to restart the game

[rose elbow]

how's that ?

[mellow raft]

So.... you know about bottle's puzzles in Banjo's house?

they're not prerendered. In one of them, mad monster mansion, the "banjo" picks up 4 notes in the footage played while solving the puzzle... if you do that before you go into the mad monter mansion level, those 4 notes are counted as "collected" but don't count towards the note total

so you don't get them by count at all

[zenith orchid]

I heard the default brightness was only an issue in the US release

[fair stump]

Same. So I'll just chalk it up to something on my end and watch out for it in the future

[mellow raft]

And Microsoft never patched it.

[dusty tusk]

Can't wait for GameShark codes to finally try devil bottles mode
https://youtu.be/kHGjN6Ugea8?si=gILUImUbRVITX1ik

[mellow raft]

I've done that accidentally a couple times

[rose elbow]

MiSTer does it best yet again!

[mellow raft]

Also remember that the Xbox version immediately saves data on every note

so you're stuck as soon as it happens 😄

[dusty tusk]

They thankfully later patched it

[mellow raft]

I played the latest version like 4 something years ago and it wasn't. You sure?

[rose elbow]

banjokazooie wiki has the note " (This does NOT work all the time. Sometimes it may make the notes disappear even if you have the latest patch and started a new game. So collect all the notes before you attempt the puzzle.) "

[mellow raft]

I'm talking the Xbox 360 Arcade release

[rose elbow]

unless this was written by you Nerd PorK ?

[mellow raft]

I don't really know haha

I just know I've tried it more recently and it still wasn't patched

[rose elbow]

it seems to corrobate what you're saying, that the patched version still can have the glitch

[mellow raft]

I'm saying the same thing...

I'm personally saying they never patched it at all

not that bug anyway

[rose elbow]

that's also what im saying!

[dusty tusk]

Well they did patch it, but it can still happen. I was around when the patch went live back in the day. News to me that it wasn't fully fixed.

[rose elbow]

microsoft need to fix this!

[mellow raft]

I agree but I think fixing 360 Arcade games is not on their drawing board at the moment

I'm curious to see where it was noted that they "patched" it

In my experience it's a guarantee if you do that puzzle BEFORE you go to the world

It's ruined like 2 of my playthroughs lol

(because I forget a lot xD)

[rose elbow]

i completely forgot about the mini game tbh until just now

[dusty tusk]

So it looks like it is fixed if you're using a save post patch.

[mellow raft]

hmmm I'm curious what it means by "saved before". I bought my 360 in like 2018 or 2019

[dusty tusk]

But because it's just the xbla version prior cloud saves stay bugged

[mellow raft]

I never had a 360 until then 😛

[dusty tusk]

I wonder if it's individual slots or the entire save

[mellow raft]

that was going to be my next question

I'm curious to test this again myself

[brisk edge]

I can 100% see why this bug slips by most people

I never do the bottles stuff until like right before grunty

that sucks though lol

also I bet the old save files weren't fixed because of the leaderboard

[regal saffron]

you have to use a snac/snax version of the core to get og n64 controllers to work right? just been rocking a ps5 the whole time but thought I might try it out

[brisk edge]

Unless you use the 8bitdo kit to convert your controller I believe

[regal saffron]

sorry, just saw the pin, October 4th, I might just wait, thats like using an old roman version of the core 😢

[languid dune]

Personally, I think the NSO N64 controllers work phenomenally well with the core.

[regal saffron]

im just being cheap, i kind of want an nso one but

[languid dune]

I'm still shocked by how well they mimmick the feel of the rumble pak too. It really feels like an OG rumble pak is in that thing.

[chilly ember]

Personally, I think the 8Bitdo kit works phenomenonally well with the core

[brisk edge]

I think with the ranges adjusted most of the clone controllers are working decently? I'm playing with an NSO controller as well so I haven't been following very closely

[regal saffron]

they actually have the nso in stock at the moment, its kind of tempting

[chilly ember]

My 8bitdo has been working well enough that i prefer it to my original n64 controllers on original hardware so i assume it's decent

[regal saffron]

nice

[chilly ember]

I still want a nso just to try

[brisk edge]

I do feel like I notice a hint of delay with the NSO controller, I don't remember where the actual measured delay sits now, might just be my brain. But I feel like I have to adjust sometimes to time really precise things correctly

But it feels so comfy I don't mind

[latent galleon]

i feel the same way about 8bitdo kit so

[rose elbow]

8bitdo kit just connectcs via bluetooth/usb?

[chilly ember]

Yes

[rose elbow]

kinda curious in that coz ive got some old controllers that work mostly fine except for the joystick and they just sit there

[chilly ember]

That's why i got my 8bitdo kits

They were gonna sit there even more with the core existing too

[rose elbow]

yuup

but also im pretty happy with the nso controller. but im curious to try it !

[chilly ember]

Hall effect stick for the mario party games to not have to worry lol. Not that i play those much but it's nice to not have to worry about the stick getting worn out

[rose elbow]

but also have to imagine there'll be an 8bitdo controller coming out at some point with the analogue announcement 👀

[chilly ember]

Maaaybe

[rose elbow]

im guessing same parts

unless its like contractually tied or something lol

🙏

[chilly ember]

I'll buy it when it/if it comes out in 2025 when people start receiving their consoles

[rose elbow]

come on 8bitdo, target mister and double dip

[chilly ember]

They better release a translucent model

[chilly ember]

Yea it wouldn't be their first time so why not

I put my 8bitdo kit in an atomic purple shell and i love it so it sounds like a great idea

[rose elbow]

ye i take back what i said earlier, i dont think theres any instances where an 8bitdo controller has been tied to an analogue product except for some colour variations maybe

[chilly ember]

Curious if it will actually happen though, they might be okay with that modern version that's in the analogue promo

[rose elbow]

generally i still prefer the 3 prong layout over the modernized 2 handed n64 modern controllers .. but i'll still get it i think lol

[chilly ember]

N64 feels wrong to me if its in a modern layout. I can do it fine but I would rather have the original layout. Too much nostalgia maybe

[rose elbow]

nah the games are made around the wonky layouts

with mister and button mapping tho it should be interesting

could be a nice controller with 2.4g 🙏

[chilly ember]

Everyone wants to play the shooters on n64 with the dpad to move and right stick to aim. I'm right handed but i got so used to playing with c sticks to move and left hand on the stick to aim as a child that dpad feels wrong

[rose elbow]

aha

tbh same

altho i am curious to try out the 2 controller methods

https://twitter.com/8BitDo/status/1106193262707200000

[chilly ember]

N64 wonky controls. I blame conkers bad fur day for my moving control preference because that game doesn't give you an option to change it

[rose elbow]

heres an example of 8bitdo doing a colour variation that only works with original controller adapter.

[latent galleon]

@rose elbow you can rebuild the joysticks really cheaply

i have the hall effect but am using the original is all i will say

[zinc dawn]

For some reason I can't get the 8bitdo n64 controller diy kits shipped to UK.

Says my address is incorrect

Shipping not available
Your order cannot be shipped to the selected address. Review your address to ensure it's correct and try again, or select a different address.

What a load of crap.

Anyone reccomended a decent n64 to usb controller adapter?

[tidal zenith]

4dapter

https://www.tindie.com/products/timville/4dapter-switch-mister-retro-controller-adapter/

[polar raft]

2P adapter:

https://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/dual_n64_to_usb_adapter/index.php

[zinc dawn]

Thanks guys

I think I'll go with the raphnet 1

[storm vessel]

+1 for the Raphnet adapter. Works well.

[bitter copper]

any news on a n64 snac adapter?

[chrome quest]

Raphnet working great, even gets Rumble Paks working on the core

[versed cairn]

Not that I know of. Though there’s a snac test build for the core

[zinc dawn]

Awesome. Going to get those kitch bent parts for rejuvenation

Second question on the list...TLB how far along is it on the priority list? This may sound odd but Goldeneye is the only game I ever really play. Been playing it every year since its release.

[brisk drum]

TLB is last on the list .. I believe Robert wants to implement everything possible before moving on to Tlb

[daring meteor]

I think 64DD is lower in the list than TLB

[zinc dawn]

I would have thought so...

[hot spoke]

Do we have a definitive TLB games list? Mario Tennis doesn't boot but is for example not on Vampier's list

[daring meteor]

Every non booting game that isn't Jet Force Gemini or Banjo Tooie

Simple

[hot spoke]

If we have come this far that we only have copy protection and TLB left then great!

[daring meteor]

I wouldn't be surprised if Robert tackles it after some RDP and VI work at this point

[zinc dawn]

Goldeneye
, Perfect Dark (unpatched) I think maybe Conker... pretty much Rare games.

Shadow Man and Turok 2 are worth mentioning .

[vapid hawk]

also you know, mario64

some people like it

i've heard its ok

[zinc dawn]

Yeah I've heard of that

[vapid hawk]

bit of a hidden gem

[zinc dew]

Banjo Kazooie > Super Mario 64

[zinc dawn]

I only ever Play GE. Maybe Turok if I'm feeling adventurous.

[zinc dew]

Perfect Dark > GoldenEye

[vapid hawk]

i fired up this weird game yesterday, now i've forgotten the name of it lol

it reminded me of echo knight