Nintendo 64

[fierce girder]

Kudos to Nintendo for assuming people would still be playing

[weary perch]

@delicate hearth /media/fat/linux/zImage_dtb (i think)

[empty cliff]

rip to the homies in the year 10000

[fierce girder]

2100

Animal Forest is dead

[empty cliff]

we get signal

main screen turn on

[solemn marlin]

I like my sim games with less existential angst tbh, launching visitors off the rollercoaster in theme park should be a reward

[vapid moat]

How far has the Animal Forest-translation got to, BTW?

[dusty tusk]

Never change Superman 64

[fierce girder]

It could stand to change a little

Or a lot

[solemn marlin]

Neon genesis evangelion is looking good

[dusty tusk]

Woah, you can make your own rings

Also, these rings have more polygons than the buildings

[delicate hearth]

when I try and pair my N64 NSO controller, the MiSTer recognizes the controller and kinda pairs it, but the pairing light pattern on the controller is still going, and when I go to the gamepad button define screen, it seems to skip past certain input checks at random, and drops out at some point, also at random

[rose elbow]

you've put in the zImage_dtb file from the pins ?

[delicate hearth]

yep, and I rebooted as well

I got the latest one from 9/23

I'm also on the latest unstable MiSTer build

[rose elbow]

hmm, ive not tested that unstable, i'll have a look

[delicate hearth]

I'm not sure what could be causing this weird half-paired state - has anyone else seen that?

[rose elbow]

yeah yesterday people were having it too but i didn't see response in terms of what was causing it

[dusty tusk]

My switch controller kept randomly shutting off this morning despite being charged, might be a similar issue

[rose elbow]

on the unstable build and still not having the issue here 🤔

[dusty tusk]

What adapter are you guys using?

Also, looking at code in unstable, think it's automatically setting stick ranges, no user settings

[native mesa]

What's next on the Robert Pipe?

[zinc dew]

Found a bug, not sure if it’s my controller or not. Using an 8BitDo Pro 2, if I map C left to left on stick 2, then when I push left all the way on stick 1 it also activates C left.

No other issues with any of the other c button mappings being accidentally triggered.

[dusty tusk]

Devilish design

[stone pilot]

Where's the "they don't walk so good" version of this again

[orchid nimbus]

Rename your ROMDB!!

[dusty tusk]

Weird, in thps 3 you can almost fix the text be scrolling

[chilly ember]

Ruined one of my runs once lol

[dusty tusk]

Also Jesus Christ this texture glitching is unreal

[fair stump]

you don't like that?

[dusty tusk]

I love it

[rose elbow]

Choose Wisely ...

[hollow rune]

Has anyone actually played Magical Tetris with Mickey Mouse. It is SOOOOO weird

[native mesa]

Weird

[hollow rune]

Like it goes hard on being aggresively divergent, to the point it is not fun

[native mesa]

Doctors said something similar about me

[hollow rune]

Reading the IGN review, I am convinced the reviewer did not play all the modes

[rose elbow]

i played around on Tony Hawk 3 for a bit and started wondering if i broke my controller settings in the recent updates..

but then booting back into mario 64 feels fine. i think Tony Hawk just feels weird on 64 ?? lol

[hollow rune]

I was having analog stick issue myself today in the Fire Temple when getting the megaton hammer. There is that winding narrow path up to it and I cannot remember falling that much trying to get it ever, but maybe I was just not in the zone

i just don't remember having to do it that many times over

[dusty tusk]

I think it's weird how the Japanese version is the only one to mention Mickey Mouse at all

[hollow rune]

What characters are in the japanese version?

[dusty tusk]

Same characters, but the title is Magical Tetris Challenge featuring Mickey Mouse

[delicate hearth]

That might explain why it's randomly skipping button presses, but do you think that might also be why it can't fully connect?

I'm using a Targus BT adapter which has worked for every other controller thus far

[hollow rune]

Oh I understand, I misread that the first time

That is weird

The whole game is weird

Apparently you get normal Tetris if you choose Uptown Tetris. I will try that tomorrow

[native mesa]

Watch the movie Tetris

[rose elbow]

viewing a controller battery on the mister isn't doable is it ?

[native mesa]

I think everything is doable

[rose elbow]

Tetris was a good test... i think i was getting the dreaded Ghost Inputs just now but not sure if it was just a battery issue

[dusty tusk]

Linux itself seems to be able to track peripheral battery life better than Windows

So it probably is doable

[rose elbow]

bit of a tangent from the broader conversation on controllers i suppose

[topaz otter]

man I almost forgot about the multiplayer in this game

and by multiplayer I mean two or more people enjoy the torment of the 7th circle of hell that is this game collectively

[brisk edge]

Somehow I had erased it from my mind as well lol

[topaz otter]

we were clueless and stupid when we rented this game

thinking that multiplayer meant that you could play as superman and lex luthor

[brisk edge]

What? Logical thinking and Superman 64? Those don't go together

[topaz otter]

and not multiplayer being mario kart with professor X's wheelchair

i had to rent it, I read the IGN review and I couldn't believe it was that bad

[brisk edge]

Honestly for as terrible as the game is, it is fun to mess around with, I just wish it didn't immediately lock you into a ride stage and also give you like 5 seconds to complete objectives. The more open stages are fun to see how broken all the physics are, like how collision barely works and everything explodes

[topaz otter]

its just, they had an idea for a game but that idea was about ten years ahead of what was conceptually possible

[brisk edge]

Also no budget or time

[rose elbow]

and that idea was; what if we had the Superman IP

[topaz otter]

and then it got started over and the version on the cart was done in like six months?

but the earlier beta isn't much better

[topaz otter]

but how do you make superman playable in a game, and they are still struggling with it even today

rocksteady was going to make a superman game like arkham city

but how do you do that and make it fun

[rose elbow]

what if. Starfox but Superman

[chilly ember]

It's hard to make a player feel like superman

[topaz otter]

I mean the closest I can think of is maybe the Hulk game or Prototype

in which you are an actual, nearly, invincible superhero

but superman is totally invincible

[rose elbow]

yeah thats pretty much i think what im getting at

it seems like there wasn't actually Any idea for a game other than; they had the IP

[topaz otter]

Titus was hoping that DC would say no, they did not

[rose elbow]

really ? lool

not actually read into it tbh

[topaz otter]

1. Get Superman IP
2. ????
3. Profit!

game developers are like the dog chasing the car right, the superman IP is the car

every developer wishes they could catch it, but then what the hell do you do with it

[rose elbow]

even all that said tho

there's issues with superman 64 liek him clipping through walls and soft locking and stuff that go beyond the issue of "superman is invincible"

its just a mess on all accounts lol

[chilly ember]

Pick up a car and fly across the map

[topaz otter]

this game is like fifteen percent done

[rose elbow]

same developers also did Hercules?

[topaz otter]

it needed like another two years of development time, bug testing, QA

[chilly ember]

Have to restart the entire mission and fly through 4 sets of rings again because the mission doesn't fail because you got too far from the objective

[rose elbow]

have you played that one, that games also hilarious

[topaz otter]

was Hercules also Titus?

[chilly ember]

Tit us

[topaz otter]

Tits up

[rose elbow]

it seems titus also published/ported stuff, but from im seeing Hercules was also developed by Titus yeah

[topaz otter]

its just a buggy horrid mess of a game, don't forget that WB and DC also screwed with the production of this game

remember when I said that they wished that DC said no

it was because of the RULES

[rose elbow]

did DC also force Titus to make Herculus 64 or Blues Brothers 2000 ?

[topaz otter]

if you put superman in a game you must obey THE RULES

[rose elbow]

at a certain point cant we just say the developers had no idea what they were doing

[eternal ravine]

In a good Supes game, you would travel to other worlds as him and help them with local issues
Plus fight super baddies

[rose elbow]

maybe not the developers but like, the producer of the company or management or something heh

[topaz otter]

theres actually a game on steam that I can't remember the name of it

that came out in the early days of vr

but its not a vr game

you basicaly play in first person as a superman type character

[manic thicket]

I enjoyed the GameCube version based on the animated series.

[topaz otter]

and you can fly completely around the globe

and you can fly right through buildings

[rose elbow]

funnily enough on gamecube, by another studio/devs, there's Aquaman

which looks like another Superman 64 lol

[topaz otter]

wasnt this edgy 90s aquaman

[chilly ember]

I remember seeing aquaman in all the clearence bins lol

[manic thicket]

Yeah that one isn't good

[topaz otter]

he had a hook for a hand or some dumb shit

[eternal ravine]

Still life left in Superman games if they make an open-world one that encompasses everything from Clark Kent daily life
To battling intergalactic foes in space

[rose elbow]

i want star fox Superman !

just flying through space and earth metropolis blasting stuff with laser eyes

[chilly ember]

Do a barrel roll

[topaz otter]

ok it was this game

https://youtu.be/drLtDvtk59k

[rose elbow]

1 part Star fox / 1 part daily life as Clark Kent adventure game like Grim Fandango

[manic thicket]

Everyone was disappointed when Rocksteady announced a Suicide Squad game rather than a Superman or Justice League game.

Everyone hoped it was Superman

[topaz otter]

they were more dissapointed that they were turning it into a overwatch clone or whatever

[rose elbow]

whats been going on with Rocksteady, its been real quiet for a long time

[dusty tusk]

Play on easy removes the rings, doesn't make it good but it does make Superman more playable

[topaz otter]

they got backlash from the last suicide squad trailer lol

[rose elbow]

ugh game development is so sad sometimes lol

[topaz otter]

it was going to be monetized to hell

[manic thicket]

They are busy trying to fix the poor first impression Suicide Squad got

[chilly ember]

Of course

I was kinda excited for Gotham knights

[rose elbow]

oh well, i have my mister.. i have my mario wonder coming out soon. i'm good :)

[manic thicket]

Everyone shot a gun... Including Captain Boomerang

[chilly ember]

Who?

[rose elbow]

not sure but i imagine their trademark characteristic is having a shot gun

[dusty tusk]

Outside of Superman and Batman, DC dips in quality fast

[chilly ember]

Hated the suicide squad joker

Still do

[native mesa]

Superman is a trash character

[manic thicket]

But a guy called Captain Boomerang should use boomerangs . Like he did in the comics

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/digger-harkness-gif-24492774

[chilly ember]

Had a friend who thought that suicide squad joker was sick tho. I'm not friends with him anymore 😂

[manic thicket]

Booo this man!

[dusty tusk]

If you fire straight up, guns are kinda like boomerangs

[topaz otter]

wait until you find out about the gunerang

[chilly ember]

A gun boomerang seems like something a final fantasy character would use

Never fire bullets out of it, just throws it

[manic thicket]

That reminds me of the old Superman show from the '50s. After the criminals tried shooting him a bunch of times, they would just throw the empty gun at him

Cuz that will work

[chilly ember]

Maybe he's like bulletproof glass, you can break it but you can't shoot through it :p

Worth a shot I guess

Pun not intended

[topaz otter]

i mean they were going to jail either way

[weary beacon]

That would only make sense if you used depleted urainum shells and could throw harder than gun powder could chemically push it.

[chilly ember]

What if superman had a gun and he only used it to throw at criminals

[rose elbow]

lol

[manic thicket]

I guess bringing it back on topic has anyone played though Superman 64 on the core?

[rose elbow]

i'd play it

[chilly ember]

Sega gave shadow a gun. Why can't superman have a gun

[chilly ember]

I played through normal mode last night

[manic thicket]

I think the PS1 version is supposed to be slightly better

[weary beacon]

This would work. Depleted uranium shells pulled backwards using a magnetic field after he used cold breath on it also.

[manic thicket]

Damn, the whole game? Congrats I guess?

[topaz otter]

this is one of those games that I don't know how you could do this and test it successfully

because its full of so many insane random bugs

[rose elbow]

of Superman 64? better because it doesn't exist?

[chilly ember]

Well it's not the whole game because the last two levels are locked behind the hard mode

[manic thicket]

There is a prototype

[topaz otter]

how do you tell whats the mister core messing up and what is something thats actually fundamentally wrong with the game

[manic thicket]

Of the PS1 version . You can find it

[weary beacon]

That is assuming he cold blow at -70C

[topaz otter]

if I were robert, I would just strike superman 64 from the list altogether

don't test it, don't play it

[chilly ember]

Too late

[topaz otter]

because number one its not worth it

and number two the game isn't done enough

[chilly ember]

I'm almost on level 5 on superman mode

[topaz otter]

its practically alpha software

[topaz otter]

you can' t be beating this game anyway without gameshark cheats

[chilly ember]

Watch me 😂

[topaz otter]

because of the softlocks and getting stuck on that one boss

you'll have to restart the core

its impossible

[dusty tusk]

I remember hearing that there's way to get the hard missions on easy mode

[worldly quartz]

too bad nintendo never made a mini n64. It would have been cool as a snac case

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/good-fricken-luck-yeah-right-sarcastic-unlikely-good-luck-gif-14502475

[chilly ember]

I'm gonna do it anyways lol

[weary beacon]

You can 3d print anything you want these days.

[rose elbow]

mike matei from cinemassacre did a full playthrough of superman 64. i'm pretty sure he didn't use gameshark cheats or anything. i think the softlocking is like a diceroll ?

his playthrough also has him glitching through walls at a point

[topaz otter]

when I last played it, which was many years ago, it was deemed impossible to beat without cheating. But maybe people have figured out a way around it?

[rose elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1sE5R5-nramS9cWUXSoxY3wPiMmpxhKR

im just referring to this 15 hour playthrough here aha

[eternal ravine]

@rose elbow
It would be so cool to play out
Choose to ignore another world getting destroyed and stay home as Clark K.

[manic thicket]

@rose elbow

That's the PS1 version

[rose elbow]

very cool! i was looking it up just earlier!!

[chilly ember]

I'd play that, just Clark Kent refusing to be superman

https://youtu.be/KoFolKT19-Q?si=BHK011eiVV62O716

[topaz otter]

was this on an emulator or actual hardware

[rose elbow]

OG hardware.

[eternal ravine]

Well, you'd have to manage maintaining secrecy re: Clark/Supes identity

[rose elbow]

as i said, he glitches through walls at a point so the game is undeniably unquestionably broken

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I04yYJGv4Pw

another example lool

[chilly ember]

I glitchdd through a wall last night by accident

Can't be that hard to do

[rose elbow]

yeah

[topaz otter]

man watching that cinemassacre video, I forgot how this game looks

[rose elbow]

i think softlocking the game and getting stuck is probably definitely possible

but it does seem beatable.. if you're lucky??

[chilly ember]

Maybe lol

[rose elbow]

lool

[topaz otter]

beating this game gives some Titus programmer somewhere a small feeling of satisfaction

like he actually succeeded

I don't want him to have that

I want to take it away

[trim birch]

hey sticky is kinda old, is unstable mister still required for correct NSO 64 controller analog stick?

[solemn marlin]

It'll be a sad day when superman 64 gets a perfect rating for the core

[zinc dew]

The date for the comments are old but I’ve been updating them

It doesn’t show last edit date unfortunately

[weary perch]

analog camera for SM64 works perfectly with the 1p2c options in the core

very cool

[solemn marlin]

Omg

[trim birch]

ah gotcha. is it that bad if you dont do it? only ask cause i was about to stream and dont want to take the time unless it's absolutely necessary

[solemn marlin]

I need it, how did you do

[weary perch]

@solemn marlin use the Patcher64+ tool, it has an option for Analog Camera as well as an option to Skip Mario Demo

set both those checkmarks and you should be gucci

[zinc dew]

The analog range won’t be accurate, you’ll reach the max N64 range at like halfway on a regular analog stick

You should definitely do it before you stream

[solemn marlin]

Thanks, fucking awesome

[zinc dew]

It’s just a download and rename to “MiSTer”, if you have a program on your PC to access the MiSTer it’s a five second replacement

[trim birch]

ok rad. i will get on that then

thanks!

[zinc dew]

My pleasure, remember to reset your MiSTer after you replace it with unstable.

[rose elbow]

the unstable build that's in the unstable-nightlies build, do you know if that has the same fix for nso controller or is that different?

[weary perch]

NSO driver is in the linux image

[zinc dew]

I think that’s the linux image thing

Damn, beaten lol

[weary perch]

seems like it might still be a bit buggy

[rose elbow]

ohhhh gotcha gotcha

wait no

im confused again LOL

[weary perch]

this analog camera for SM64 also allows you to swivel the camera in places where you might get that bzzzt sound in vanilla

it rules...

[trim birch]

i'm overwriting "MiSTer" in /media/fat correct?

[rose elbow]

the pinned comments links to an unstable-nightlies build, "MiSTer_unstable_20230924_09f0db". but there's a more recent unstable nightlies build "MiSTer_unstable_20231015_239ffe" ?

[weary perch]

what i do to replace MiSTer main is

1. rename existing MiSTer to MiSTer.old00 or whatever
2. copy new MiSTer file over

[trim birch]

cool that's what i did

[weary perch]

i think it might not like directly overwriting sometimes

but renaming is fine

the newer unstables have all the commits from the older versions @rose elbow

just get the latest

[rose elbow]

i see i see, so the pins are old then!

[weary perch]

robby's doing his best!

[rose elbow]

all good, just clarifying / wrapping my head around it 😅

[weary perch]

😄

[elfin relic]

robby's doing his best, and that's all we can ask

tho it'd be nice if his best was better

[rose elbow]

we love robby !!!

[elfin relic]

someone has to

[trim birch]

no robby is good.

[chilly ember]

Robby the knobby?

[trim birch]

ok oof i did the latest nightly and my mister wont boot lol

[chilly ember]

Haha Jk I love you @zinc dew

[elfin relic]

how did you xfer it over

[zinc dew]

Sorry, thanks for catching that. I just fixed the link and updated the text so it reads better.

[elfin relic]

and if you say filezilla then you probably accidentally sent it in ascii mode and not binary

[trim birch]

ftp, rename and copy

[rose elbow]

also on me a bit for not understanding. i thought maybe the unstables had branches a bit, didn't realize the new one in channel had the previous commits also

[trim birch]

there we go. pulled the SD and it worked

[rose elbow]

yaay!!!

[zinc dew]

That’s great news. I was worried I indirectly screwed you over lol

[trim birch]

i have historically never gotten through a stream without at least one technical difficulty

[dusty tusk]

Might have gotten to the root of my USB devices disconnecting so often, my USB hub was weirdly loose

[woeful grove]

zzzz

[dusty tusk]

Was able to use a butter knife to gently nudge it on the pins better

[chilly ember]

I have a rare occurrence where mine stops responding at inconvenient times

Maybe mine is loose but I don't think so. I have another one but it's such a rare occurrence that I haven't cared

To swap it

[dusty tusk]

The real killer is it often disconnects my hard drive which is very inconvenient

[chilly ember]

That would make me swap instantly but I'm a run everything off a SD card kinda guy. On mister anyways

[zinc dew]

SD, ride or die

[dusty tusk]

If it wasn't for the looming question mark that is the mars project or dual SD ram in certain cores, I'd probably just get a new kit

[rose elbow]

is that a power draw issue maybe ? 🤔

[chilly ember]

Haven't touched anything but the N64 core in the last 2 ish months so hooking up a hard drive or ssd is not a priority to me. I have everything on the sd card

[dusty tusk]

Nah, I've got a meanwell power supply

[zinc dew]

Dual ram isn’t needed or rather shouldn’t be needed by any cores.

[chilly ember]

Analog io all the way

[dusty tusk]

Yeah but if I'm gonna replace everything at this point I'd want to look to the future

[elfin relic]

dual ram, digital i/o

[chilly ember]

Never had dual ram. Glad I never bothered

[elfin relic]

cast off the shackles

[rose elbow]

im still on that earlier style of USB Hub connection where it has that little bridge that sits outside of the case and pokes into both ports

[zinc dew]

Hopefully you shouldn’t need to replace everything.

[chilly ember]

Hahah yea me too, I don't even have a case 😂😂

[rose elbow]

i kinda respect caseless. the case i've got def feels like a dust trap

the "stormtrooper"

[chilly ember]

My biggest issue is dropping a sd card in the case and needing to take it apart to get it out

I have a storm trooper case too

I took it off lol

[rose elbow]

yeah

i think dropping the SD card in the case (we've all done it .. right??) is what prompted to me sit down and finally figure out how to filetransfer via network loool

"time to get serious" as megaman x would say

[zinc dew]

My case

[dusty tusk]

And now you know why I use a hard drive

[elfin relic]

NAS for large collections, scp to transfer small collections/unstables to sd card

[rose elbow]

is that the aluminum case that gets warm/hot ?

[elfin relic]

haven't had to unseat my sdcard in years

[zinc dew]

Yeah

[native mesa]

Not in my canon

[orchid nimbus]

Superman64 is what it would be like if a hallucinating Superman with OCD would fly through imaginary rings and had to go back if he missed one

While putting impossible expectations on himself while doing so

[chilly ember]

He's okay with missing 3 at most but anything more than that he chooses to start over from the beginning

[final mulch]

and then the megatextures got ported to the N64 lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf036fO-ZUk

it got second place on the summer jam on the brew

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s really cool stuff

Blows me away it’s on the N64

[chilly ember]

Carmack VS Romero? Who wins?

[neat sierra]

Yeah doesn’t seem practical for a game engine, cool demo though

[zinc dew]

I mean, we already saw that happen and Carmack won lol.

[chilly ember]

But I mean your personal opinion, who do you like better?

[dusty tusk]

Apparently my 8bitdo adapter had a ton of updates, one of them allegedly helps connection stability

[final mulch]

I'd say not very practical but a very nice showpiece to the PSX guys when they'll ask about texture limits lol

[chilly ember]

I guess i should rephrase, would you rather have a beer with Carmack or Romero?

[final mulch]

other than that the current limit is 64x64 colored mipmapped and 128x128 with mirroring

[neat sierra]

Eh PSX is ugly as shit 90% of the time. N64 has no games but at least they look okay

[zinc dew]

Romero, always Romero

[chilly ember]

That's the answer I was looking for 😂

Sounds right to me

[neat sierra]

Like Robby would stop being the little spoon with Martinet long enough for a beer with Romero

[dusty tusk]

Romero. Carmack would make feel like a dummy

[chilly ember]

Carmack would be such a buzz kill

https://youtu.be/CPL1HqKEswg?si=91_8lC6n7_Yvp0Dt

[chilly ember]

Guess we can mark you on the list for completion

I finished the gamecube version a month ago but there is not an entry to fill that in so you can have this one

[chilly ember]

Amazing job

[drowsy lantern]

Happy to contribute! Plus it’s fun! 😅

[chilly ember]

Love the enthusiasm, it's always awesome checking games off the list. The core's given me an excuse to finish games that i wouldn't on original hardware or an emulator

[drowsy lantern]

I assume that a lot more games are completable than what’s on the list, it’s just that no one has gotten around to finding the time to beating them. 😅

[chilly ember]

Oh 100% there is

Who's got the time to finish daikatana?

[dusty tusk]

[novel junco]

oh god, does daikatana even boot?

[orchid nimbus]

yes

Hissatsu! (Japan).chd 100%[===>] 177.33M 41.3MB/s in 4.4s

nice speeds from my favorite Archive 🙂

oops wrong channel - but same message applies 😛

[chilly ember]

Even worse, you can finish it

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[novel junco]

no way... finally, I can become john romero's bitch... thanks MiSTer!

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-april-ludgate-gee-gally-thanks-mister-thanks-mister-thanks-gif-21908199

[uncut gyro]

Thanks for cross-checking! I only have one controller attached via USB, wasn’t changing it in any way, and even tried redefining controls in OSD to make it go. Multiple other games worked fine. I’ll retest with latest test build

[chilly ember]

Thanks Robert

[novel junco]

Ashamed to admit I got stuck on the first level of daikatana trying to figure out how to crouch. Luckily, this was the first result on google https://youtu.be/x3PEsYp36vY

[chilly ember]

I'm actually kinda ashamed i figured it out without looking for instructions

[dusty tusk]

I love how Superman 64 allows you used the dpad for menus, but you need the analog stick to go left or right

[eternal ravine]

https://youtu.be/EiAYP6P_lJo?t=1802

The game soars to impressive heights of brokenness

[quasi storm]

I may have to give the beta a try. I've heard it's... Better? But that's not saying much. To quote AVGN, "it's like eating shit versus eating shit with a little salt on it."

[manic basin]

I produced and helped write a movie that got featured on JonTron. It was a moment of pride until he went off the deep end a month or so later.

[mossy needle]

I'm having this weird problem where every dual shock controller I use is mapping c buttons alongside control stick but only for some games

[kind solar]

1p2c you say

did any wii games actually do this

[worldly quartz]

dual remotes only. Impossible to do with 2 nunchucks as it has no transmitter

[kind solar]

not on mister 😈

[trim seal]

Great Patreon update @wanton sun

[wanton sun]

thank you 🙂

[empty cliff]

wait what was this referring to?

[prisma ivy]

there was a lot of Superman 64 talk overnight I see

I know what I would do if I got the rights to make a Superman 64 game

Superman Snap. Jimmy Olsen wants his pal Superman to go and take pictures of all the baddies so he can use them in the Daily Planet

[fallen sparrow]

Controller drivers. I think they are included in the MiSTer unstable, unless this is something new

[empty cliff]

oh for the stadia bluetooth thing? or were we talking about something else, I can't remember the conversation from looking at the chat haha

I know I have been asking about stadia bluetooth for a few days and my mister can't even see it as a device though it can see my smart tv, laptop, nvidia shield so I'm surprised it can't see the stadia

and it works wired

thanks pcn btw you are a legend

[hearty oar]

Maybe a silly question but you did get the update to the controller itself right? https://stadia.google.com/controller/

[worn delta]

I got some interesting info on the 64DD cart conversions on the Gaming Alexandria discord that may be of interest to people looking at those, and maybe @wanton sun also.

It seems they are compromised not being in the original format, but can make use of some 64DD peripherals and hardware.

@wispy belfry - picking up over here; know you are interested also

[wanton sun]

so the amount of games you get with a real DD compared to conversion is very limited

i would say it's very far down the priority list and if things get tight, it's just out

[worn delta]

I was looking now to see if there are raw dumps, and this is the list:
Dezaemon DD (Japan) (Proto).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:07 1.3M
F-Zero X - Expansion Kit (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:09 28.1M
Kyojin no Doshin (Japan) (Demo) (Kiosk) [b].7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:12 19.8M
Kyojin no Doshin (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:13 19.7M
Kyojin no Doshin - Kaihou Sensen Chibikko Chikko Daishuugou (Japan) [b].7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:11 30.6M
Mario Artist - Communication Kit (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:14 3.8M
Mario Artist - Paint Studio (Japan) (Beta) (1999-02-11).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:14 16.6M
Mario Artist - Paint Studio (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:14 13.6M
Mario Artist - Polygon Studio (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:14 4.8M
Mario Artist - Talent Studio (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:15 12.6M
Nihon Pro Golf Tour 64 (Japan) [b].7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:15 22.2M
Randnet Disk (Japan) (Rev 1) [b].7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:15 1,006.7K
Randnet Disk (Japan) [b].7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:16 1,006.6K
SimCity 64 (Japan).7z (View Contents) 12-Aug-2020 19:16 3.7M
Super Mario 64 - Disk Version (Japan) (Proto).7z (View Contents)

-makes sense to be low priority with space being tight, but wanted to find out more about these conversions

[toxic pumice]

the f-zero expansion conversion handles saves perfectly fine in emulator so i'd say that worked perfectly fine

[rose elbow]

was the load savestate removed from the n64 core?

thought it had load for testing but no save

[zinc dew]

Yeah good point and good call. We don’t need 64DD support.

If you think about it, no one needed 64DD lol.

[storm vessel]

Is the SM64 disk version any different than the cart version?

Extra content?

[wanton sun]

the OSD entry was removed. As i'm the only one using it most likely, i can still with pressing F1-F4

people got confused about it, which i can understand. Don't put features in the OSD that are not there

[rose elbow]

ooooo awesome, thanks. i felt like poking around with it. good to know :)

[rose elbow]

makes sense

[daring meteor]

Tiny huge island is broken

[solemn marlin]

That patcher64 thing is pretty cool but the dual analog is a little half-baked imo

Seeing through walls and only being able to rotate left and right with the same zoom ins as the original makes it mostly just different, not necessarily better

Wouldn't recommend it to someone playing it for the first time at least

[quaint pewter]

There's only one DD I'm interested in really and it's not underneath an N64. 🙂 The cart conversions seem totally fine?

[solemn marlin]

Also that only up patch works surprisingly good if you manage to get up the mountain, the screen has a strobing effect but the gameplay, speed and camera works like normal there

[pure ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-25hz2KmIb8

Sorry, it's German but Analogue announced an N64 FPGA and I'm always surprised when after an open source project companys come up with the same goal. I hope they're not stealing code. Maybe Robert should implement a secret code where he can execute a pixel / sign or something by a special rom for example

[cobalt junco]

@pure ocean
https://twitter.com/AzumFpg/status/1713966440712184291

[prisma ivy]

i didn't think we needed a Bandai RX78 core either but here we are 😄

[dusty tusk]

Sim City 64 conversion has RTC.

[worn delta]

-just so everyone is on the same page: because 64DD cart conversions started to work in the core, but nobody really knows how well these things work (or even if they work in some cases) and if you need/can use additional 64DD specific hardware with them, I asked the people who made them. You can see the screenshotted conversation above.

The short of it is they are hacky and sort of work to varying degrees, but the guys who made them now wish they didn't exist and emulators supported the actual disk images - .ndd files.

So now we better know what to expect with these disk to cart conversions. Actual 64DD support always felt like a nice to have, but realistically not on the DE-10 nano. Maybe a cherry on the cake for the core on a future successor board. 🙂

[frail jolt]

As a kid, i had a picture of Cindy Crawford in a bikini hanging on my bedroomwall....

As an adult man with 2 kids...

I have a picture of Robert Pelp...

....he has Cindy Crawfords body, but that's neither here nor there, the fact still remains

[worn delta]

Great insight there. Thanks for that.

[zinc dew]

lmao the perfect response

[fair stump]

Thank you for this. I was wondering exactly this the other day about .ndd files

[worn delta]

No worries, 64DD has always been a bit of a mystery to me as well so glad to be able to find out more.

[solemn marlin]

They work to some degree which is at least nice for historical purposes, not going to weep for an extension I barely knew existed with games I wouldn't play for more than 10 minutes, the f-zero expansion works

[dusty tusk]

Luckily fzero X Expansion Kit seems to mostly just more of the original, so I can't Imagine the DD version does much more than a cartridge.

[worn delta]

It would be good to get a list/table of the games and what hardware each needed/used but I don't think one exists, I'll maybe see about making one. e.g. which games used the RTC, mouse, etc.

[plush summit]

The DD is neat but I think the conversions are enough to satisfy people

[cerulean elk]

Im def not complaining lol

real hardware is STUPID expensive

[zinc dew]

You didn’t even have to say the expensive part

[plush summit]

Makes me wonder if the DD was out of scope for the 3D

Maybe relying on offloading would've been the only way to get it working

[zinc dew]

What do you mean?

[native mesa]

I thought DD was essentially a glorified patcher

[cerulean elk]

more like glorified zip drive

[plush summit]

Well we dont know how much better the 3D specs are, so not sure how much resources they have left over to add the full functionality of the DD

[plush summit]

It's what I heard to, maybe Analogue is stopping at the base N64 and letting other people figure out the DD

Having a "built-in" DD would've been a massive selling point for the nerds 😛

[dusty tusk]

My opinion is something is better than nothing

[cerulean elk]

I mean they never said DD, just N64. That language was probably chosen carefully

[plush summit]

For sure, it's clearly meant to focus on cartridge games

[cerulean elk]

but then again there isnt much hardware IN a DD at all so not like you need to recreate a lot of silicon in logic. More likely the code to handle the data transfer into the N64 itself

4MB IPL Rom then whatever in silicon handles the transfer of data

theres a CIC chip. Not a biggie

[worn delta]

I would be surprised if there is a jailbreak for analogue clone that is doesn't support 64DD images, that is the sort of niche thing Kevtris would want to support (especially if MiSTer doesn't)

Issue they may have us supporting the RTC though if there isn't one on the system

[cerulean elk]

Hitachi MCU as well

[worn delta]

I can't imagine many people who have an actual DD would want to get a clone to plug it into

That's got to be a very small pool of people

[cerulean elk]

I’m mostly confused why I keep seeing comments on my N64 vids saying analogues core is done and they beat MiSTer to N64 🤷🏻‍♂️

Not trying to instigate shit talking lol…but I’m so confused. Are we all just having a collective fever dream and NOT playing N64 on MiSTer right now?

[raw oriole]

Mmm, youtube commenters. They’re the best.

[balmy dagger]

Likely more they aren't, and paper launches somehow became real in the gamer zeitgeist at some point.

Plus: trolls be trollin.

[worn delta]

One thing that has become abundantly clear recently is people don't bother actually reading things and buy into any hype going, no matter how lacking in substance.

Anyways, I think we are getting a bit too off topic

[wraith estuary]

Why are people saying it's kevtris when Robert implied it was mazamars312's core? Did I miss something?

[balmy dagger]

I am still having a tough time getting my NSO controller going. Pairs fine. I get to the define buttons area, and then the trouble starts.

Every time it gets to 'press dpad right', it acts like I've already pressed something and skips it. Same thing for Menu. Every other button defines and works properly.

[worn delta]

There has been no official confirmation from them of if there is a working core and who is behind it, but Kevtris oversees all FPGA Dev work for Analogue (even if he isn't the main developer)

[weary perch]

what's odd is i'm pretty sure i recall being able to play even on the older builds where the game wasn't scaling correctly, i was able to get in game and pass the ball around and shoot

[weary palm]

Is Kevtris the brain behind the Analogue Sixtyfour?

[fair stump]

#1096015979055697940 message

[native mesa]

I love the idea of the pocket but the openFPGA framework implementation is such shit

[zinc dew]

Well we have the patched games so in terms of being able to play 64DD content we’re more than covered.

[rose elbow]

yup

[weary palm]

Cool

[zinc dew]

To reinforce what @worn delta said, we’re getting offtopic. Please move any conversations about other FPGA devices to #fpga-platforms

[weary palm]

How do you know?

[zinc dew]

Thank you

[weary palm]

Sorry

[rose elbow]

ive pasted a link in the fpga platforms channel to try and keep the convos seperate, here #fpga-platforms message

[zinc dew]

No need to apologize. Thank you for understanding.

[thorn flax]

it's Wednesday my dudes

how's everyone

what you playing on n64 today?

[rose elbow]

Doom 64

[dusty tusk]

Probably more dk64

[brisk drum]

Dawgs

[fair stump]

I started a nfl blitz season yesterday, so far 1-2

[brisk drum]

I smell a new build today

[weary perch]

the 64DD Japan Pro Tour Golf game has pretty cool music

[brisk drum]

With like mad improvements

[brisk drum]

What’s you team ?

[fair stump]

I suspect we may see working wrestling titles soon since that fpu error code is sitting there in the open

[brisk drum]

I just want the missing text textures to show

[fair stump]

Patriots. Playing as well as McCorkle himself

[brisk drum]

Packers bro , Brett Favre!

[dusty tusk]

Alright, bear with me for a moment. But the everdrive GB has an fpga in it right? What if we get DD by connecting it through the GB transfer pack

[fair stump]

My two losses come from interceptions at the tail end of the 4th quarter

[weary perch]

heh, i also played some Blitz yesterday

Da Bomb every play and either chuck it 30 yards or rush on the open left side if they don't spy 😄

went 2-0 🙂

[thorn flax]

I got a 2nd hand n64 controller

[fair stump]

Aint that the guy that defrauded a ton of people

[thorn flax]

$25 good condition plastic, and tight analog stick

bit of a steal

gonna open it up and put some lithium grease on the analog mechanism for longevity sake

[fair stump]

Man. When the cpu plays press coverage and just slams my wr back and sacks me

[silent marten]

I think you are right

[brisk drum]

I am Tacodamus!

[silent marten]

Hahahaha

[weary perch]

blitz has some real bullshit stuff where if you are winning near the end you are super likely to fumble or get intercepted

[silent marten]

I just wonder what Robert is gonna fix today (maybe Jet Force Gemini)

[dusty tusk]

N64 really was Midways platform of choice at the time

[weary perch]

saturn gets a lot of love for all its great arcade conversions, but midway brought a lot of heat to N64 arcade-wise, and they are one of the better 3rd-party dev/publishers for N64 for sure

[rose elbow]

outside of robert's emulator they've put together, is there an emulator that saves savestates in the save .ss format that mister uses ?

[weary perch]

Rush on N64 slaughters the PSX version

[broken cradle]

I loved rush on 64

[thorn flax]

I never knew about midway as a brand growing up. but looks like they were the best the west had to offer in terms of arcade quality gaming

[fair stump]

Then they put out War Gods

[worn delta]

Does anyone have a 64DD or is very familiar with the library? More for my own curiousity than anything else, I've made a small sheet of the disks to log which utilise mouse, keyboard, RTC (is there any other hardware/peripheral that I have missed?)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nYbkbUMUr1KSvt2gT2tnnS3u7_Q7k_RmfiDz8GFTwMY/edit#gid=0

Will need to do some more reading to fill it out, but if anyone can help would be much appreciated.

[dusty tusk]

Rare made some arcade games, but they didn't hold a candle to midway in that space

If we're talking western arcade studios of the era (with N64 ports)

[cerulean elk]

Atari and Midway led the western charge

[dusty tusk]

They ended up buying a ton of Atari made games and the two best pinball manufacturers of all time.

[topaz otter]

midway had mortal kombat, case closed

[wanton sun]

no

unless you mean the name, then i cannot say, but not the one working on the core

[weary palm]

Oh?

[wanton sun]

N64 emulation world is small, you know when you know 😉

[weary palm]

I think I know

[pine apex]

Murra****

[rose elbow]

dang, that analogue interview definitely through me off then with the wording o.O

[stone pilot]

Kevtris is the executive chef, but not the one personally frying your egg

[rose elbow]

gotcha gotcha

[silent marten]

Anything on the testing menu today Robert??

[wanton sun]

the fpu error flag reports have been very helpful, yes 🙂

[dusty tusk]

I can feel it in my bones. Today is the day n64 modem finally works

[weary palm]

That's a bad word in Swedish.

[wanton sun]

so my n64 digital arrived and works. That is good. Now i need a dual, better 3 or 4 HDMI input capture card, USB 3.0 strongly prefered over PCIe. Any recommendations?

[viscid quiver]

Regarding the N64 core are you allowed to store saves? For example in Wave Race 64 for me it would be amazing to store a save for each level. I imagine Mario Kart 64 and DKR players might desire something like this. Is it possible?

Or would you basically just drag and drop the save file you want to use into a certain location

And keep a directory on your pc

[wanton sun]

that's is the only possibility

if you have network connection to your mister, this is relativly easy

[solemn marlin]

Mk64's 60fps patch works nicely except for black bars, now I count two performance patches that work okay-ish

And they're both kart racers 🤔

[weary palm]

Perfect Dark and Super Mario 64

[dusty tusk]

Pyoro 64 is pretty fun

[solemn marlin]

Sm64's performance feels like 60fps

But it's 60 frames in slowmotion

[lone geyser]

Make copies of the ROM with different names and match them to the different save files

[cerulean elk]

So you want USB 3 with four HDMI ports?

You won’t find…much of anything with that many ports. Id recommend the Elgato HD 60 X and an HDMI in switch

[wanton sun]

4 would be best, but i would also accept 2

i need both in parallel, not switched

want to compare live 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Hmmmm. Tricky

@manic basin you know anything that does this?

What’s your budget @wanton sun ? Before I pull some 2000 USD device out of my ass lol

[wanton sun]

i was hoping it would stay in the <500€ range

[cerulean elk]

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/atemmini

[dusty tusk]

https://darkstar.co.nz/product/hdmi-switch-4-way-with-picture-in-picture/

Can't vouch for this but would a picture in picture switch box work?

[cerulean elk]

You can use this but beware…it’s broadcast signal only. Deviate from a normal broadcast refresh rate and it won’t sync

[viscid quiver]

That's a good idea!

[wanton sun]

if it's too difficult i can use pcie

[cerulean elk]

All the products I know that do what you want @wanton sun are for production / broadcast and they hate signals that aren’t standards

[viscid quiver]

Wave Race doesn't allow runs on anything besides original hardware but someday may allow emulators/mister. Would make it easier.

[cerulean elk]

If the signal is 59.97 you can use this. Four HDMI in and it will record all four sources as separate files in software.

[lone geyser]

If it were a disc system it would be infeasible (maybe some Linux linking shenanigans) but ROMs are itty bitty

[viscid quiver]

That's a good idea!

[dusty tusk]

Hmm, that is a good idea... It actually works?

[cerulean elk]

https://www.amazon.com/Atem-Mini-Live-Production-Mixer/dp/B08F16FVCR/ref=asc_df_B08F16FVCR/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459655373910&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3027241261967160290&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021743&hvtargid=pla-935531087270&psc=1

[weary palm]

Symbolic links should work too.

[wanton sun]

wow, they have buttons than my keyboard

[rose elbow]

time to become a professional streamer on the side

[cerulean elk]

That’s the one @wanton sun Mini Pro ISO. So you can capture four sources at once to independent files. You will need an approved SSD though. It drops frames if the write speeds aren’t above the threshold

[lone geyser]

(Linux shenanigans)

[cerulean elk]

I used those switches for my last full time gig so I can vouch for them

[weary palm]

Symlinks is part of ntfs and exfat too you know.

[dusty tusk]

You could probably zip the games together for maximum file size reduction

[cerulean elk]

And the Atem Mini Pro ISO can dial into the software via Ethernet / second monitor. So it’s fully external. No need for PCI

[wanton sun]

thanks @cerulean elk . Probably the purpose of them is completly different to what i plan to do 🙂

[vapid hawk]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Switch-SGEYR-Switcher-Selector-Support-Blue/dp/B07R5ZFTTF

highly recommend this switch

[wanton sun]

switching will mean i need to take a screenshot every time to compare

[orchid nimbus]

@vapid hawk - amazon thinks that I'm a fraud I guess 😄 I just want to see the item 😄

[dusty tusk]

So you just want them all in screen at once?

[wanton sun]

will take a look if i use one of these external devices or just get a 2/4 input elgato pcie

[wanton sun]

yes

[lone geyser]

I actually didn't realize symlinks were a filesystem thing and have never heard of people using them outside the context of Linux. Will need to investigate

[orchid nimbus]

the mister uses them a lot for the arcade roms I guess

[dusty tusk]

Then a picture in picture solution might be good enough

And then just capture it with something else if you need

[vapid hawk]

you could just buy a lot of capture cards i suppose

[dusty tusk]

That seems like overkill for 4 240p images in I assume split screen

[lament escarp]

I tested the n64 modkit with the bt dongle robert is using, still unresponsive after reconnection.

[orchid nimbus]

did you try changing modes?

x-input/d-input etc.

[dusty tusk]

The current state of the core is making N64 homebrew dev look rather appealing

I fixed my Bluetooth adapter with a firmware update

[night saddle]

for an internal card these seem to have good reviews @wanton sun : https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Gamer-1080p-Capture-GC570D/dp/B08DFMNSDM?th=1

found a usb3 one that looked promising, but it doesnt actually pass through both 1080p signals, just uses internal processing to do a split screen downscale or picture-in-picture type of display @1080p

datapath e2s could do it also ~$160 on ebay. i use a single-port e1s for recording

[native mesa]

I like the avermedias

[lament escarp]

It only has dinput and switch mode. Dinput works fine but doesn't support rumble. Switch mode works with the nso driver, but needs to be paired every time the connection is disconnected. I bought the bt adapter to verify it's a driver issue, not the dongle, since for some people with the nso controller changing dongles solved the problem.

@orchid nimbus

[solemn maple]

both dinput and switch mode work wired?

[orchid nimbus]

@lament escarp I didn't know

[woven olive]

Avermedia is probably the best at accepting non standard signals. But they don't make any multi input cards.

[solemn maple]

Got my nso controller today, will test it later this evening.

[lament escarp]

Dinput yes, switch mode freezes my mister so I won't test that anymore

[solemn maple]

Hah Okey

[lament escarp]

For n64modkit. Nso works fine via usb I heard.

[lament escarp]

Hence my explanation 😄 it's all good

[solemn maple]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the official nso controller

[lament escarp]

Official has no dinput

[woven olive]

Though, the Avermedia 2.1 cards are brand new and not a lot of deep dives into the specs so who knows how they behave. They are also a little difficult to get a hold of right now.

[zinc dew]

Robert had caused me to integrate checking #test-builds every few hours into my routine.

[orchid nimbus]

I just run my update scripts with an update to unstable

[daring meteor]

You sure not #test-builds ?

[orchid nimbus]

he just changed it

[daring meteor]

Haha

[zinc dew]

it was always like that

Y’all crazy

👀

[daring meteor]

Wouldn't be surprised if Robert cuts by half the number of non working non tlb games today

[worn delta]

May be worth checking the more obscure Japanese ones that weren't playable, I spotted one that is now playable yesterday that wasn't a few builds back

[wanton sun]

The number of working non tlb non fun games will increase today

[zinc dew]

[wanton sun]

wrestling stuff...who needs that?

[modern sleet]

Thanks ! Might check that out to play the n64 core in VR using a quest 3 🙂

[zinc dew]

wrestlers?

[daring meteor]

B-but NBA!

[zinc dew]

NBA wrestlers?

[nova grotto]

I guess today I'll stop being disappointed about the saturn core not working on 4 C rams (the only ram I own by the time) ☹

[daring meteor]

1 on 1 is on PSX not N64

[zinc dew]

lol I forgot about that game, you’re right!

[silent marten]

The N64 wrestling games are legendary 🙂

[mortal panther]

National Bodyslamming Association

[orchid nimbus]

with the changes for the romdb now part of main it's time to switch to the new database

nothing will change from a user perspective - just better support for hacks etc.

[worn delta]

What needs to change for everyone to be updated to the new list from running the update script?

[orchid nimbus]

nothing

should be seamless with the next release

[zinc dew]

Yeah, can’t stress that enough. You didn’t even have to care about wrestling and you’d still have a great time playing with three other friends.

peak AKI

[night saddle]

i linked one above

[broken cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-guerrero-wwe-wrestling-gif-6032176

[prisma ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-mankind-hell-in-a-cell-fall-gif-14555677

bah gawd he is broken in half

[woven olive]

Sorry, I meant to say current models that support hdmi 2.1 and 4k. That card is only HDMI 1.4 and 1080p capture as I recall. I think all of the Black Magic multi input cards are the same. No 4k capture.

[night saddle]

oh yeah, i dont think 4k capture is an issue with the intended use here

[drowsy lantern]

I was wondering: In terms of user-friendliness, would it eventually be possible to make it so that games that don't support the Rumble Pak default to CPAK based on their database setting? The other day I was kind of surprised to boot up Blast Corps and have a message "Your Controller Pak is defective!" or some such. But that was because Rumble Pak was selected.

[daring meteor]

Its actually really easy in terms of mister main

Oh wait its not unstable anymore

[dusty tusk]

Most games that use the controller pak, check it at boot first before rumble, so in the case of both cpak should autoload.

Automatically setting it would be nice

[daring meteor]

user_io_status_set("[51:50]", (uint32_t)(cpak+2*rpak-2*cpak*rpak);

Just adding this to mister main would do this I think

The only question is why wasn't this done before

Also, this is just for controller 1

[orchid nimbus]

not sure 🙂 I leave that up to the experts - I am just someone with github access to change the files

[daring meteor]

Markun do you know of any specific reason why wasn't this done

[dusty tusk]

Weirdly I think I would set rumble first for 2-4p, since multiplayer games such as acclaimed Superman 64 only use cpak for player 1.

[whole yarrow]

Legendary JR

[bronze tree]

no specific reason, but your code is pretty cryptic 🙂

[daring meteor]

Its so it would be a one liner lol

[fair stump]

Any idea when you'll be finishing up tlb?

[weary palm]

'Muricans

[dusty tusk]

I feel there's weirdly a lot of British wrestling fans

[daring meteor]

Yeah, it makes sense to do it that way

[orchid nimbus]

Tomatoe Letuce and Bacon .... later today 🙂

[weary palm]

Yeah I saw a lot of wrestling stuff when I were in Britain back in the late 90s

[prisma ivy]

and Canadians

[topaz otter]

because the greatest wrestler of all time is canadian

[prisma ivy]

we could REALLY derail the convo in here lol

I'm just gonna msg you in another channel

[whole yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-jericho-its-true-aew-dynamite-wrestling-gif-25199861

[elfin depot]

André the Giant was French tho

[zinc dew]

Y’all love wrasslin’ as much as we do but y’ain’t ready to admit it!

I’ll tell you wuhat

[elfin depot]

You don't love wrestling as much as these guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O7IzR3nQVQ

[prisma ivy]

you wanna go? You wanna take this outside? to #spicy-off-topic 😄

[weary palm]

Isn't John Cena Chinese?

[hollow rune]

I hate listening to a podcast and Kevtris gets name dropped along with words like genius and Robert isn't mentioned at all. This happens too much. Both analogue and MiSTer deserve praise, but one eats up a lot of oxygen.

[weary palm]

They're very smart both of them

[mortal panther]

I think so. He apologizes very fluently in Mandarin.

[hollow rune]

Once again Kevtris contributions helped me get into this

[dusty tusk]

Uh oh

[zinc dew]

It’s because Analogue is a corporation with ad dollars to spend and a marketing department. MiSTer is an open source project with no visible face and a loose association of people that collaborate together.

[whole yarrow]

tomorrow? 😮

[weary palm]

Aw, I missed 420am

[dusty tusk]

I'm in upside down land at the moment

[prisma ivy]

I thought the problem with this picture was the yellow bar

[whole yarrow]

oh, makes sense

[zinc dew]

KevTris’s I assume is quite talented but also Analogue has spent money communicating his talents and gone to great lengths to promote his work.

[weary palm]

Sorg is clever too

[zinc dew]

Most game journalists do little to no research and just regurgitate PR fact sheets given to them. I would know, I did game journalism.

[dusty tusk]

Much like the secret to healthy eating, it's hard to sell something that is free

[mortal panther]

So... you admit to doing this, too? 😉

[zinc dew]

100%, in fact I was told to

[mortal panther]

haha

[manic basin]

No, sadly. The only solutions I know with that many pe
ports are pcie.

[mortal panther]

You can't be faulted for just following orders. We forgive you.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah same. I suggest Atem Mini Pro ISO

[zinc dew]

It’s not really a negative thing. Like you’re never going to really get hard hitting journalism from a game preview. It’s just the facts.

[mortal panther]

True

[zealous hull]

Game journalists get a lot of hate, but how the hell are you supposed to realistically review up to 100 hour games in time for embargo to lift?

[woven olive]

If you write a press release and do most of someone's job for them press will run it.

[hollow rune]

@weary palm I couldn't begin to list all the people in FPGA stuff who are super clever and I appreciate them all. I just want the whole world to sometimes. Thank you for getting those I didn't say.

[zinc dew]

We are very fortunate that there are game journalists who do cover important things like sexual predators and illegal work practices.

[dusty tusk]

That's game reviewers which can be journalists

[zealous hull]

Yeah, you're correct.

[zinc dew]

Sorry this is getting offtopic but there’s a lot to dissect from this practice. It’s a great topic of conversation though.

[dusty tusk]

Realistically I don't really care about prerelease game reviews anymore. I'd rather hear from what someone who put more time in post launch with it via YouTube or something similar

[zinc dew]

YouTube is generally more suspect unfortunately. They’re not beholden to any corporate mandates or laws.

[zealous hull]

Sorry for getting off topic. Saw a sliver of the conversation and just wanted to share an opinion I've had for awhile. People need to give reviewers some grace.

Going to get back to work now. lol Nice avatar, btw, Robby

[zinc dew]

thank you, I have become what I hate

[zealous hull]

I also removed my real face. It's only a catapult now.

[prisma ivy]

back on the subject on N64: ULTRA 64:

[zinc dew]

Anyone have a list of multi-plat games that are better on the N64?

That magazine cover reminded me of that question

[prisma ivy]

if they had stuck with Ultra 64 we would be saying "hey did you play MKULTRA" before?

[zinc dew]

DA GUBBAMENT

[solemn marlin]

Just got my mister power off button, now I can effectively rage quit out of densha de go safely every time I miss a stop 👍

[prisma ivy]

amazing

[dusty tusk]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/79414806

[zinc dew]

Thank you, and I realize I probably should’ve googled that. Sorry lol.

[manic basin]

I couldn't catch up on the whole thread since discord hates my phone, but if switching is all that's needed there are a ton of ways to do that, but 4x capture is basically the realm of Blackmagic cards.

[zinc dew]

List doesn’t include Space Station Silicon Valley or Resident Evil 2

[manic basin]

My phone keeps scrolling the conversation wildly when you go that far back.

[cerulean elk]

Haha yep. Why I recommended it. Plus it does PAL 50

[orchid nimbus]

discord wants you to be in the present

[marble cargo]

https://vxtwitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1714329755405709811?s=19

Is this why Mario Golf uses TLB so heavily?

[weary perch]

Japan Pro Golf Tour for 64DD has a very interesting visual presentation. it's one of the sharpest N64 games i've seen. no dithering, no bilinear, no dedither, no antialiasing

it uh... doesn't actually look very good, lol

but it is sharp

[fair stump]

😆 I was gonna say, you make it sound like it looks great so I should check it out

[surreal summit]

The soundtrack is good

[weary perch]

soundtrack is really good, yeah

i'm not sure i'd seen a 3D game with none of the N64 blur like that before

[languid dune]

But is it Buck Bumble good? Hmmmm!?!?!

[weary perch]

right about now it's time to rock...

nothing's gonna top that lol

[night saddle]

shiren 2 english translation seems to be running perfectly with latest core. finally diving into this today

[weary perch]

i believe it doesn't save, though

for some undetermined reason

[night saddle]

oof, these games use a special system for saving where its saved with every move you make

guessing it has something to do with that

guess im just previewing it then ^-^

[weary perch]

i think Robert's been looking at it so it might be fixed soon

it's one of the most intriguing N64 exclusives so it'll be a very nice get once it works

[night saddle]

yes! absolutely massive game also, nearly 40MB

copied it over zipped and unzipped to compare loading speeds because i figured it would be a good test for that

(not that it matters much anyway, only has to load once at start then its zero-load like the rest of N64..)

[weary perch]

did you see any difference on initial load with zip vs unzipped?

[night saddle]

havent tested yet. figured i'd cound the frames in a video capture for it

[weary perch]

be curious to see that

[night saddle]

thats how i measured SNES cpu/super fx turbo times when making the document on the wiki also

[wanton sun]

unzipped could be faster once fastload is implemented

currently, probably not

[night saddle]

its not so bad currently honestly. just wish it would load when selecting the zip file instead of having to select the file within afterwards, mostly

[quaint pewter]

We have to make do with Shiren 1 on SNES for now and keep our fingers crossed the that sram issue is doable fix, as yes it's a fun and quirky game and I think the only Roguelike on the N64.

There are a couple of Mystery Dungeon games on Robert's last masterpiece core too. On the PSX is Chocobo Dungeon and also the Dragon Quest one with Taloon(?).

[wanton sun]

isn't that just pokemon mystery dungeon without pokemon?

[quaint pewter]

Mystery Dungeon is a bit like the Warriors game - they make them with lots of other franchises in, but I think Shiren is the original character.

[brisk drum]

New build ! Thank you Robert

[wanton sun]

i liked the pokemon one on GBA for the first2 hours. Then they told me: do 10 of the same areas now. Do 15 of the same areas now, Do ....

[daring meteor]

I think your commit is broken

[wanton sun]

maybe it gets better afterwards again, i don't know

hmm?

[daring meteor]

Only committed 1 file?

[wanton sun]

sorry, fixed

[fair stump]

Wwf war zone has a character creator? That's fun

[weary perch]

Attitude's Create-a-Wrestler is even better than WarZone's

[hollow rune]

Let's get downloading!

[weary perch]

i was not a wrestling fan but i spent ages making wrestlers in WWF warzone and attitude

[brisk drum]

No mercy has the best character creator

[fair stump]

ECW went from no Boot to playable

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/ladybug-gif-21014020

[deft tree]

https://vxtwitter.com/BenboQuest/status/1714347578488471951

[fair stump]

Let's call this one "The Wrestling Update" @cerulean elk

[daring meteor]

NBA 99

[quick arch]

3D Model RGB Test Program starts to work

[brisk drum]

Please don’t I see enough of this show at home

[fair stump]

I unfortunately only have time to poke around so others will have to fill out the test sheet

[wanton sun]

So any other non-tlb game with a reproducable crash?

[brisk drum]

He should do a macho man impersonation the entire time he is narrating the vid

[hollow rune]

"Welcome back to Video Game Esoterica. Today we are going to smellelelelele what the Rock is cooking." @cerulean elk

[hollow rune]

I can't help your kids love greatness

[brisk drum]

Bacon is gonna be so mad he just put out a video this morning

[quaint pewter]

"No one saw this coming. A bit like John Cena"

[prisma ivy]

one's throat was never meant to talk like that very long

[pine apex]

Polaris Snocross

[weary perch]

Polaris Snocross crashes in-race but other than it always happens, it's kind of random, it doesn't seem to correlate with anything happening in the game that i can tell, happens on every track, usually within a minute of starting the race. Rugrats in Paris might be reproducible but is rare if you just let the attract mode run; both times I've seen a crash it's been specifically on a scene transition though

[brisk drum]

We’ll leave it up to him to impersonate a wrestler of his own choosing

Possibly Rick flair

[fair stump]

There is a kinda mean joke I could say about that and bacon but I'll resist

[prisma ivy]

what core got an update today?

[quaint pewter]

The main other problem with non tlb games was piracy checks? But I know tooie was patched.

[prisma ivy]

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CORE GOT AN UPDATE TODAY

The Rock's words, not mine 😛

[brisk drum]

Don’t put that evil on the rock

[weary perch]

Both times i've seen a crash in Rugrats in Paris, it's specifically been when transitioning out of a scene (presumably loading the next scene in the background), with the Reptar logo transition zooming in and out. both times it was transitioning away from a scene where Chuckie was the playable character in the demo

[latent galleon]

how dare you.

[weary perch]

but both Polaris Snocross and Rugrats in Paris crashes seem potentially difficult to debug as I can't get them to crash reproducibly

[quaint pewter]

N64 on MiSTer is running wild, Brother.

[prisma ivy]

Robert 3:16 says I just whooped your VI

[wanton sun]

yes, doesn't sound like something i would tackle now

[weary perch]

i'll keep testing and see if i can find a way to make them consistently crash

[fair stump]

Brunswick circuit pro bowling was a no boot but now menus work with tons of missing ui. Trying to find my way in game

[chrome quest]

ECW Hardcover Revolution working, even after punching someone in the face!
(Project 64 with TLB off crashes at that moment, love to see it )

[fair stump]

This was marked as tlb so everyone feel free to recheck all those games too

[mortal panther]

"Snap into a test build!"

[fair stump]

Ok, Brunswick bowling went no Boot to playable

[weary perch]

does WWF Wrestlemania work now?

[compact depot]

N64 games looking prettier at every new core update 😍

[weary perch]

i mean, it worked but lots of stuff was missing in menus

it's the same engine as Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 by AKI so presumably if wrestlemania works...

[latent galleon]

what is the issue on mister though?

[eternal island]

... killer instinct work?

[hollow rune]

My dad just showed me and the rest of the family this commercial. That was amazing.

[quaint pewter]

--I have no idea. I don't know the internals of the N64 or the core, just that it doesn't save when seemingly every other game does.

[chrome quest]

I guess Banjo Tooie and Jet Force Gemini are the only non-TLB crashes I'm aware of (including Jet Force still when using the everdrive patch). But those are probably known already

[quick arch]

still freeze

[eternal island]

darn

closer...

[latent galleon]

@quaint pewter sorry, you just made it sound like it might not get fixed, but if that is all that is happening it doesn't sound like an insurmountable issue

[eternal island]

is it mostly just unpatched tooie, jet force and killer instinct now?

[chrome quest]

KI might be TLB too

[cerulean elk]

Lol what games do I need to capture?

I was doing kitten dog socialization hour

[chrome quest]

Patched Jet Force Gemini did randomly load a game for me there, got further than usual, still crashed before player control though

[tulip coral]

@wanton sun -thank you so much for your work on this core, me and my partner have been playing through Mario64 and loving every minute 🙏🙏

[cerulean elk]

My throat would dissolve

[pure ocean]

Crash in general or only bit4 ?

[orchid nimbus]

I talked for longer than 15 minutes yesterday (1h and 45 minutes) on a call - at the end my throat felt like sandpaper - I think I need to talk more in my life.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I had to do three VOs yesterday. My limit is 5

[orchid nimbus]

VOs ?

voice overs

[cerulean elk]

Voice overs

[orchid nimbus]

duh

[fair stump]

When you see there's a new core update

[cerulean elk]

Ok so wrestling games. What else? I’m gonna capture in half an hour for tomorrow

NBA 99

[stiff condor]

Hello everyone. Does anyone know what auto detect failed means when I try to boot smash remix?

Or does it need a special entry in the N64 database?

[elfin depot]

You need to boot regular smash first, at least last I heard you did

[stiff condor]

I'll try that

[wanton sun]

just checked, yes it's tlb ingame

[daring meteor]

By the way

By "RSP pipeline" do you mean the superscalar thing you didn't implement yet?

Or something else?

[wanton sun]

yes

[daring meteor]

Are you going to do that before TLB

[wanton sun]

OoT has a check, probably for anti piracy that compares the counter with a certain value and if your result is not accurate enough or zero, it hangs

[pure ocean]

@wanton sun Mystical Nina Starring Goemon (Europe) goes into E0080005 crash after the attract song/intro after the menu. It has some nice motivating text and the song is nice to listen to as a bonus. It's not bit4 though. If you're looking for bit4 I haven't found any more pal games yet.

[thorn flax]

n64 pog face

[chrome quest]

That's TLB too. If Project 64 is to be believed, all the others are now I guess...

[wanton sun]

well, so that means it's RDP time again

[lean spruce]

I thought OoT didnt crash anymore?

[wanton sun]

it doesn't unless you count up the RDP timer

[orchid nimbus]

I think Paper Mario is the one I'm looking forward to for the games that don't work yet

[pure ocean]

then I haven't anything more to report for now I think. Only some fun resolution change in some of the top gear rallys. Don't know which it was but 2nd attract mode looks quite fun when the cars are stretched so high. Should I look it up?

[safe robin]

It's sad that so many gems are hiding behind the TLB

[chrome quest]

Come to think of it, Japanese games that might not need TLB? I've only been checking NTSC and PAL personally. Maybe some in there?

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/goemaniaco-gif-25621166

[weary perch]

Virtual Chess 64 is such a weird game. i realized why it's so hard - the game's chess engine is a straight port of a very-strong-for-the-90s chess engine (Virtual Chess) for PC. the difficulty options do not change the engine's analysis whatsoever - they only give it less time to think. no wonder this game slaughters me even on the lower difficulties

it may well have been the strongest chess engine released on consoles in 1998

[fair stump]

Glad I only played it, and won , on the easiest setting

[chrome quest]

62 crashing Japanese games. I'll try to check for TLB cases later if I can

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/loolll-what-shocked-gif-14505486

[pure ocean]

It was Top Gear Overdrive (Europe) second attract mode has stretched (doubled) high resolution

[weary perch]

looks like the PAL version has the same polygon border garbage pixels issue as NTSC

[wanton sun]

only there? is there a fast way to get there?

[pure ocean]

You have to watch the first attract round and then the 2nd has it. 3rd is okay again. Just wait 2 minutes to get there.

[wanton sun]

you say that so easy. my emulator to compare will take 8 minutes to get there 😅

[pure ocean]

But I thought your'e able to create a snap shot and run it from there. But it seems you're not. That's a pity 😅

[wanton sun]

i can from the emu to the core but not the other way around

found it, can be configured in the options

they run with 117 pixel height then

have to try on hardware what it looks like there

could imagine it has thick black borders

[pure ocean]

Hmmm. I'll have a look on Youtube.

[wanton sun]

still not sure why the core would do that few height

[weary perch]

NTSC version looks like this on hardware

[quick arch]

Another case for screen not ok. It is on logo screen of Infograme of Vrally99

[weary perch]

with hi res: half

[toxic pumice]

This is the same thing the title screen text on Starcraft 64 does at the moment

Weird mirroring

[mellow path]

What was the story with Mischief Makers? Because it was reported as a TLB game but it seems to be working already.

[quick arch]

Is it 474i for the resolution with stracraft 64 ?

[wanton sun]

yes, as i assumed

[wanton sun]

where is starcraft broken? i just checked and it seems fine

[wanton sun]

thanks, looks like a VI bug, will check it

[quick arch]

Do you have an example ?

[toxic pumice]

Yep one second, I can provide an example, i'll grab my phone and take a pic

[pure ocean]

Then I only have Top Gear Rally (Europe) left with scambled text (no controller), scrambled text in menu and in attract from the beginning some missing textures and the car dust are just solid squares. But I reported it yesterday already and I think you're aware of it.

[quick arch]

thanks !

[cerulean elk]

Ok gonna capture in a min. I’m getting wrestling and nba 99. What am I missing kids?

[wanton sun]

nothing

[toxic pumice]

Also for what it's worth, yes - 640x474i is reported resolution

[wanton sun]

it's only 4 wresting games and nba 99

[fair stump]

Brunswick works now but is so broken I don't think it's really worth showing

[cerulean elk]

Appreciate it

[fair stump]

Down to only 14.4% unplayable games (usa)

[toxic pumice]

Game itself is actually fine and rendering ok, it's only happening on certain UI elements like mission text above, so it doesn't break the game at all, had just observed the same thing was happening that's all

[cerulean elk]

Someone break Superman 64. Let’s get it back on the non working list!

[hollow rune]

@fallen sparrow @cerulean elk ECW Hardcore Revolution (USA).z64 is all I found, but I think @fair stump got more

[cerulean elk]

so many NBA 99s lol

In the Zone? Live? Jam?

[fair stump]

Nba jam 99

[cerulean elk]

ty!

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I noticed that too. I initially thought it was my scaling settings

[fallen sparrow]

Well, thank you kind panda 🐼

[cerulean elk]

trying Jam 99 now

it better have Stockton

[teal sail]

The same issue in World Driver Championship, also runs at half resolution, also has settings for this, settings do nothing

[fair stump]

I loaded up the exhibition mode and was like wtf did they do to nba jam?

[cerulean elk]

Jam looking good!

STOCKTON WITH THE DUNK

[hollow rune]

Was he on fire?

BOOMSHAKALAKA

[cerulean elk]

I kinda forgot NBA Jam 99 isnt that fun lol

on to WWF games

oh yeah wrestling so good now

[fierce girder]

NBA Hangtime is the real deal

[cerulean elk]

Golddust time

[fierce girder]

NBA Jam numbered entries were terrible console games and not made by Midway

[fair stump]

Which wrestler is going in the thumbnail?

[cerulean elk]

Norm Macdonald

[dusty tusk]

The corruption on character select on ki is fixed, still freezes on stage load

[cerulean elk]

I think that happened last core

it was in one of my vids recently

[languid dune]

I played the heck out of Hangtime back in the day. Best version of the NBA Jam formula at the time.

[cerulean elk]

NBA Jam got pregressively worse as the franchise went on

[fierce girder]

Acclaim took exclusive rights to the name which is why Hangtime exists

[quick arch]

I see ! so it is very to VRally 99 thank you 🙂

[fierce girder]

And they ruined it of course

[languid dune]

The newer PS3/360 NBA Jam game was pretty great. Love the weird 3D models with 2D sprites for their heads.

[cerulean elk]

which WWF game is the "best"

I cant remember now

[vagrant ivy]

Trick question the answer is None

[river shale]

Not sure if people have been playing rom hacks but warioware 64 rom hack no longer has weird graphical glitches with the latest core.

[languid dune]

No Mercy

[hollow rune]

I definitely don't think they are fun

[cerulean elk]

thats what I am getting now

better put a WCW in too for those fans

[eternal island]

i guess it has tlb

[languid dune]

WCW-nWo Revenge would be the best on that front.

Both that game and WWF No Mercy are the same developer.

[eternal island]

i recall some of those wrestling games being not bad

[cerulean elk]

nice to have menus now lol

[languid dune]

Menu hype!

[eternal island]

not something i would buy but i did enjoy playing it at a friends house a few times

one of them..

no idea which

[cerulean elk]

WCW then to edit

[fair stump]

We need at least one solid attempt at a wrestler impersonation

[languid dune]

Awbacon Rick Flair impression in the next episode confirmed.

[cerulean elk]

id I woo'd Id clip the audio channels

I went with Hollywood Hulk Hogan

Golddust / Hogan / Rock for the three games

[prisma ivy]

Gold Dust - and you'll never forget the name.... DEEP BREATH AWBACON

[cerulean elk]

I wanted to go as Gold Dust for halloween

[prisma ivy]

Nice

[hollow rune]

Tested a bunch o stuff. Can't wait to see what the next build offers. There is still al ot of weirdness with the japanese games that will prbablyu need ot get fixed before TLB

[cerulean elk]

I am looking at Doshin 2 footage now. Speaking of weird

[hollow rune]

@wanton sun Does it make sense to have TLB like on a seperate branch so you can still debug and fix some of the lesser known games, or do you have to do it as the very last thing?

[chrome quest]

Also if there is a wrestling game montage video, remember you can get the in game "Let's get ready to Ruuummbbbllleee!" from that ready 2 rumble game

[fair stump]

I really gotta check out Japanese stuff. Do you just check the exclusives?

[hollow rune]

yeah, but we need to do a sweep of everything eventually. Who knose how japanese text might affect memory sinc eI think it needs like different pointers and stuff

[daring meteor]

Let's see the Japan nonboots

Excitebike 64 Japan doesn't work?

[orchid nimbus]

you break it, you buy it

[daring meteor]

DDR is TLB

[brisk drum]

https://youtu.be/u2WUzr6SmEk?si=97r7kLRuQWePXr6z

Whoops wrong chat

[weary perch]

nope, unless something's changed very recently

hangs right before the main menu. attract mode is fine

[daring meteor]

Very weird