Nintendo 64

[daring meteor]

Use Robert's workaround

[toxic pumice]

Uneducated heathen here, what's special about shindou wave race?

[daring meteor]

Get it working instantly

[daring meteor]

Its one of the 5 games that don't work

And isn't TLB

[wanton sun]

the game depends on the boot up process to be slow, because the ram has to be calibrated. This useless wait time isn't yet implemented in the core

[toxic pumice]

I keep reading that as 'true last boss'

[toxic pumice]

Understood!

[weary beacon]

It's special cause it uses the rumble pak.

[daring meteor]

Why does eeprom16 fix it?

[wanton sun]

you can trick the game by using wrong save type, so it will spend time initializing the saveram

over and over

when it gives up, enough time has passed

[viscid quiver]

Well it has a ghost dolphin.

That would be the killer app of Shindou.

[chilly pivot]

how anout Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon?

[toxic pumice]

The best kind of dolphin

[fair stump]

No change

[daring meteor]

Goemon uses the TLB (In one way or another)

[daring meteor]

Hahaha

[desert crow]

what are the other 4 games? I haven't looked at the list in while

[daring meteor]

If this is the only game that depends on the wait time might as well not implemeN it

[viscid quiver]

It also includes some minor bug fixes, and updated music. A few other things. Rumble. But the must have is the dolphin ghost function.

[quick arch]

Dinosaur Planet screens are fixed

[weary palm]

Sorry for asking this, but is the Analogue 64 the brainchild of Kevtris or is it perhaps mazamars?

[daring meteor]

Banjo Tooie
Jet Force Gemini (Which hang due to DRM)

NBA Jam 99
WWF War Zone (Which hang due to FPU?)

[round rune]

How are you doing this? Patched rom?

[toxic pumice]

Literally just discovered the existence of this today myself. There's a translated and patched rom with all the DD stuff in it

[thorn flax]

Dezaemon 3d

[round rune]

My fiancé is an fzero 64 fan girl so, going to earn some points with that dd rom.

[orchid nimbus]

eat sleep play with legos

[thorn flax]

Doshin the Giant - tinkling toddler

[toxic pumice]

Wasn't dezaemon that shmup creator?

[thorn flax]

japan pro golf

[wanton sun]

it is, ares mentions it in the source code

[thorn flax]

looking that ocarina ass opening

[vapid hawk]

anyone checked THPS3 ?

[orchid nimbus]

goat**

[thorn flax]

THEY ALL JUST WORK 1ST TIME

[daring meteor]

Lmao I see

[thorn flax]

this is incredible

[toxic pumice]

Is this all the DD rom hacks?

[thorn flax]

yes good sir

[quaint pewter]

It's a dark day for the community. lol

[vapid hawk]

no change in thps3

[toxic pumice]

Fuck, go back!!

[fair stump]

Or THPS

[toxic pumice]

Revert the build

[thorn flax]

the best part is the anticipation of them loading on a crt. you haven't got a progress bar on 15khz atm so you don't know if they'll boot until they do

[sudden pumice]

Forgive my ignorance but is N64 updating in main yet?

[wanton sun]

no, but you can add a line in the downloader.ini and then it is

[sudden pumice]

I ran update_all but I still have a 9-20 core

Ah okay

I must be getting mixed up with Saturn!

[hexed knot]

The line to add to the downloader is in the pins if you'd like.

[lean spruce]

look at the second pinned message

[teal citrus]

"Guess what? MORE RINGS!"

[wind helm]

Thank you Robert Magical Tetirs Challenge now looks perfekt ! I am very happy and so does Puyo Puyo Sun I think it had some glitches too I love this kind mof games so they were really important to me Thanks!

[languid dune]

Doom 64 is so good now! Added the brightness fix patch to it and changed the controls in the game's menu, and it feels great.

[orchid nimbus]

not quite - the 'bars' in the right and left corner don't look like they should yet - but it's very close

[solemn marlin]

Is there a difference between just increasing gamma and patching?

[thorn flax]

last one I think

[viscid quiver]

Are all of the DD games English translated now? That would be sick.

[languid dune]

Never tried to change the gamma.

[thorn flax]

have been for ages

but

Sim city is either dormant or abandoned

[solemn marlin]

I mean brightness option in game, might not be called gamma

[quick arch]

Susume is fixed

[wanton sun]

which bars?

[viscid quiver]

That's crazy. Yeah I have missed alot of stuff. Life has been rough. Would like to have more fun times during the remaining times!

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun let me replay 🙂

hold on

[chilly pivot]

Oh man, i´m so hyped...i get my Mister on Wednesday. 😄

[fair stump]

Everyone is posting these fun looking games and I'm here checking Mace - The Dark Age

[vapid hawk]

doom64 plays great now!

[languid dune]

Bah! Doom 64 doesn't save your custom controls mapping!?

[thorn flax]

magical tetris on the Aleck64 gets this far with a manual cic change

[vapid hawk]

this is one of the things the romhack fixes iirc

[toxic pumice]

Hey I played this for the first time last night. This is fun stuff. I have this thing about poverty fighting games lmao

[fair stump]

Have you tried Dual Heroes or Xena? Probably up your alley as well then 😆

[toxic pumice]

I watched Matt McMuscles play dual heroes and it actually looks really interesting

[languid dune]

Ah nice! I didn't use that patch. I'll try that one.

[vapid hawk]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7897/

its one of those "i can't believe anyone did this much work" romhacks

[fair stump]

I played through both and thought there was some silly fun in both. Granted, I mostly just mashed A and won

[toxic pumice]

Don't exactly think they were built with finely tuned finesse gameplay. 😉

Mace the dark age was looking up an faq and hitting some sick 5 hit combos and going 'hey that feels quite cool in a hideously clunky way'

Midway are such beautiful bastards honestly

[short trellis]

So the Densha De Go translation works now?! Do I need to do anything special to make it run?

[drowsy lantern]

@wanton sun I’m seeing quite thick black bars at the top and bottom of Banjo-Kazooie that weren’t there before, nor are they in other games. Is this normal?

[fair stump]

Oh, don't forget War Gods 😆

Mashing through these games is quick testing so that's what I've been doing

[brisk drum]

And all is right in the world ..

[toxic pumice]

I haven't yet touched this one! I've got war gods and dark rift to go

[brisk drum]

Any further development of the core is just icing on the cake now

[toxic pumice]

And there's a small masochistic part of me that wants to see exactly how bad Criticom is before I go play dark rift.

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun regarding magical tetris - nevermind it was just the background I saw

[compact depot]

We still need TLB (conker)

[wanton sun]

yes, the game doesn't use the full screen, but cuts off where overscan on a crt would start. maybe later down the road there will be crop for HDMI so you can have fullscreen again

[toxic pumice]

Gauntlet Legends is the final boss for me. (or one would say, the TLB, har har har)

[deft tree]

have you unlocked Pojo yet?

[toxic pumice]

The moment I can sit on the sofa and play gauntlet with my wife, I'll be happy. Happier.

[silent marten]

If you are not using a N64 style controller (dualshock etc) and have C buttons assigned to right Analog stick, you can't save your game in Doom64

[brisk drum]

I was being a turd

Lol

[fair stump]

Starcaft menus look nice now. That text is a little hard to read

[brisk drum]

Chicken is top tier in that game

I main chicken as a matter of fact

[wind helm]

Bomberman Hero looks perfect now too The last time I tried it with an earlier version before there were some glitches

[drowsy lantern]

Not sure if you’re still looking for low-hanging fruits, but the text in Top Gear Rally is an easy one to trigger:

[native mesa]

damn lots of line items on this build

[silent marten]

I had to make an alternate control system to put C left and C right on separate buttons to save my game on Doom64

[toxic pumice]

Can I humbly make a cartridge tilting feature request

Like a debug feature

Just so I can watch everyone wobble about when Goldeneye eventually launches

I'll pay

[viscid quiver]

I would like to second that. Cartridge tilting is alot of fun

[hexed knot]

Especially if the setting is in degrees of tilt.

[toxic pumice]

Yes, perfect! Probably very unfeasible but perfect nonetheless

[viscid quiver]

I can make Mario do it in mario 64. Dude starts acting like a crack addict!

Makes me wonder if you can cartridge tilt an everdrive 64

[quick arch]

Iggy's start screen is fixed

[viscid quiver]

Now there'd a game that would have probably did allt better if they didn't name it "IGGYs reckon balls

[zinc dew]

omg 64DD works

[wanton sun]

kind of 😉

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xezfkm4w5Oo

seems slighty relevant 😄

[quick arch]

Derby Stallion 64 have still missing textes here and there

[zinc dew]

was Doshin the Giant translated?

[warm pollen]

yes i believe

[eternal island]

anyone wanna test killer instinct. i will myself but working and dying to know lol

breaks in 45 ill test it myself at that time if no one does

[oblique remnant]

it still hangs in game

[eternal island]

😦

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah still crashes when the fight starts.

[eternal island]

soon..

[random portal]

dang I was about to test it right now

[sinful kayak]

Anyone will buy new Analoque N64 next year? Or Stay with Mister and OG 64 only?

[random portal]

once that game runs, and then Conker's, that's all I'm gonna be doing on that core.

[random portal]

I bought a MiSTer because I didn't wanna deal with flash carts for PC Engine, Genesis, and NeoGeo.

[toxic pumice]

Hmm - Is it possible to get the f-zero expansion to read my f-zero x save?

do I need to change the n64-database to match or something along those lines

[drowsy lantern]

Sticking with MiSTer.

[languid dune]

With the right controls remapping, Doom 64 can feel really good with "modern" controls.

So good.

[sinful kayak]

I wonder what the price would be 350?

[plush summit]

The CEO confirmed that the 3D is going to be their most expensive system

[sinful kayak]

Then 600 😂

[plush summit]

Honestly, prolly <700

[frail jolt]

I'm guessing it's not a cyclone 5

[sinful kayak]

Then no way im buying it. If it’s 350. I i might consider.

[frail jolt]

So probably a higher end chipset that's more expensive

[viscid quiver]

I could be wrong but I don't think we are the type of people that are going to be buying that.

[frail jolt]

I wonder if kevtris has anything to do with the analog core

[sinful kayak]

Weird that without further announcement it comes now that Mister core is going well.

[viscid quiver]

That is for the Uber rich who have physical collections.

[stone pilot]

no OpenFPGA is a huge bummer

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun Got Error 0080010 on Mario Golf (Europe). Crashes on this error.
If you spam start and get to player select screen, same E0080010 error there. Hang with music still playing in that case.

Separately, maybe a helpful bug in "Top Gear Overdrive (Europe)". Get to that screen by spamming A through menus, on track selection.
The visual glitch does flicker on/off showing weather icons I think. The first screenshot I took looked perfect. Easy to see in motion

[wanton sun]

I can also do an announcement! TLB will be implemented into the core before the first one ships! I know, it's very ambituous, but i'm optimistic today 😅

[compact depot]

@wanton sun Automobili Lamborghini looks perfect! Thank you! ❤️

[wanton sun]

sorry, for the little fun, but i worked night and day end of 2019 to get the GBA core finished before the pocket ships. I will not pressure me again, haha

[stone pilot]

You missed the opportunity to make an announcement about a future announcement about a...

[sinful kayak]

Mister Core will beat Analoque product!! 😎

[compact depot]

Don't worry! You have about two years at least! 😛

[stone pilot]

I don't know if the MiSTer will be better at playing N64 than the new Analogue console. But I know it'll be better at playing PlayStation :V

[compact depot]

MiSTer is already better than playing on ANY Analogue console!

[daring meteor]

TLB in 2030, you heard it everyone

[worn delta]

Realistically, there is a decent chance there will be "MiSTer 2" that does 4K and is available long before the Analogue 64 ships.

[sinful kayak]

If like say Analoque will cost 700 and Full Mister about the same then MisTer is better all day long.

[compact depot]

Who needs a 4K console when we have MiSTer + RetroTink? 🙃

[deft tree]

dont forget to add another $180 onto the cost of the analogue 3d, since you have to buy an everdrive on top of it

[sinful kayak]

I aleady own it. No extra for me. But overkill price no way im buying it.

[drowsy lantern]

When the core is complete, I intend to sell my N64 and all my games, then reinvest some of that in Robert’s patreon.

[toxic pumice]

yeah I need to make sure I put a patreon sub on payday, this is insane.

[deft tree]

i probably will hang on to my 64+everdrive

might leave it at my parents lakehouse

[sinful kayak]

X7 is very Good everdrive as it can also emulate NES 😅

[deft tree]

i still havent messed with that i should dump some roms over

[compact depot]

Good thing you'll be also helping him to build the newest core: 3DO! 😄

[toxic pumice]

Can someone else playing the f-zero expansion confirm whether there's a problem with custom machines saving?

[oblique remnant]

No pressure. till christmas we might get a game working

[lament escarp]

Hey gang, whats new?

[compact depot]

Automobili Lamborghini is fixed!

[languid dune]

Dooooooom!

aka Doom 64 is fixed and is awesome.

[lament escarp]

Don't play with my heart. Is it fixed? Does it crash? What about the red boxes?

[languid dune]

All fixed!

[remote hatch]

works perfectly

[lament escarp]

Aight guess thats my night then

[languid dune]

Honestly, Doom 64 is my favorite of the original classic Doom trilogy (1, 2, and 64).

It's fantastic.

[lament escarp]

I played the switch version of it

[languid dune]

Same

Switch version is excellent.

[toxic pumice]

Did someone have a fixed n64-database file for the f-zero expansion?

[lament escarp]

Thank god they fixed the switch version of 1+2

[languid dune]

Indeed. They were rough at first, but now they're legit amazing.

[spare meadow]

Superman 64 seens to be fixed. I belive now Robert can do Anything

[languid dune]

Fixing that game is the equivalent of breaking it.

[lament escarp]

You found it, you complete it for the checklist.

[viscid quiver]

I mean

Wouldn't that be MiSTer MiSTer?

[sinful kayak]

Super/Ultra/Mega MiSTer. 😎

[toxic pumice]

nevermind, I am but a fool

[lament escarp]

I guess doom 64 is our halloween game

[viscid quiver]

Take these Broken Wings. And learn to fly again

[random portal]

MiSTer to the second power

[wanton sun]

The first to complete Superman 64 on the core will receive the secret TLB build 😛

[viscid quiver]

What's TLB

Triple Layer Buffering?

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/man-of-steel-henry-cavill-gif-22918554

[languid dune]

The final boss.

[lean spruce]

OMG, we will never get TLB

[lament escarp]

Just the story or 100%?

[languid dune]

I see Robert woke up this morning and chose violence!

[wanton sun]

Hey, i wasn't serious, don't get wrong ideas here!

[languid dune]

In all seriousness, it's basically a virtual memory system that the N64 uses. Some games just don't function without it still.

[viscid quiver]

Probably only 2 people here who can get a 1 03 on Sunny Beach real talk

[random portal]

we should have a real game challenge though. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth has a 2 minute "shoot everything in sight" mode to see who can shoot the most things in sight.

[toxic pumice]

caravan mode challenge

https://tenor.com/view/cho-ngau-eyeglasses-push-eyeglasses-gif-13860248

[random portal]

you know what's up <3

[languid dune]

Would be awesome. Probably won't happen until the core is officially released though.

[quasi basalt]

Puyo Puyo Sun english translation is working great. Thanks!

[random portal]

the game is super playable on the current core

[random portal]

damn is it 2D or did nintendo force them to make it 3D?

[languid dune]

I know, but they prefer to keep events on the server to officially released cores so more people participate.

[random portal]

ah ok ok that makes sense! :)

[languid dune]

When the Neo Geo CD core went live, we almost immediately got that amazing Neo Turf Masters challenge event for the CD exclusive course.

[sullen harbor]

I might ngl

[sullen harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

/jk absolutely not

[sinful kayak]

Even if it’s like 600 ?

[sullen harbor]

I hate that game

[toxic pumice]

Sorry to tag you - Can you confirm seeing as you've got the f-zero dd running, whether you can save and entry with custom machines? All I'm getting is 'previously saved data did not write correctly' and I can't get it working.

[wanton sun]

do you have the right save memory selected?

as i assume it's not in the database yet, you must do it by hand

[toxic pumice]

SRAM32 selected

[sullen harbor]

Due to circumstances I can't control (I am helping a friend out) I am working two jobs and have the extra income

the only downside is the exhaustion

and depression from working two jobs

[toxic pumice]

NEVERMIND the cic looks incorrect

[quasi basalt]

Thankfully it's 2D

[eternal island]

beat superman 64 you say

[mortal panther]

Not worth the agony.

[craggy kettle]

don't you know you loose just by entering the ring with that game?

[wanton sun]

wait, if superman was fixed today, this means it runs in 32bit color mode?

this would be super strange, as it costs a lot of performance

[compact depot]

Says those specialists that claimed N64 was impossible in the DE10 nano

[fair stump]

Would there be a way to hack it to run in a different color mode?

[weary perch]

several of the Titus games on N64 had the same issue - giant slices on polygons, red transparency issue

Superman, Automobili Lamborghini, Roadsters

[toxic pumice]

Yeah it's all correct:

[eternal island]

the best performance for superman 64 is not working

[zinc dew]

Man y’all are savage on Superman 64 🤣

[weary perch]

interestingly the red transparency issue that's now fixed in Automobili Lamborghini and Doom 64 among others, is not fixed in Starshot: Space Circus Fever

[zinc dew]

Wait until you find out about Carmageddon 64

[weary perch]

it only affects a few screens in the menu, but i would have thought it'd be fixed

[eternal island]

its bad but not so bad to the point of having a masochism requirement

[weary perch]

Carmaggedon 64 on PAL has dinosaurs instead of zombies (NTSC version has zombies instead of... uh... regular people like in the PC game lol)

[hasty kayak]

Was Doom always really Dark (in terms of lighting)?

[remote hatch]

yes

[weary perch]

yes

[remote hatch]

no

😄

[hasty kayak]

Blimey its so Dark I can't see a thing!

[weary perch]

use the Complete hack Dave

[eternal island]

you may be doomed

[daring meteor]

Why do they call it perfect dark if doom

[weary perch]

they bumped up the brightness to a normal value

[solemn maple]

Brightness all the way up in the settings and it aint too bad 🙂

[weary perch]

JP version also has a sensible default for brightness, but the blood's all green xD

[topaz otter]

is analogue really making a n64

[gritty current]

OpenFPGA has nothing to do with the jailbreak that was released for certain consoles. OpenFPGA requires additional hardware (2nd fpga) which Chris Taber already confirmed is not part of N64 to keep that price more reasonable.

[lament escarp]

I heard a story that the max brightness you can adjust was planned as default brightness but they fucked it up. Maybe there is a romhack to fix it?

[hasty kayak]

Apparently yes

[remote hatch]

I increased the brightness in the game to max and it's pretty much ok

[hasty kayak]

I will give that a go 🙂 its great to see the Red Boxes are fixed 🙂

[weary perch]

i guess the PAL version also has a more sensible default than the USA NTSC Doom 64 for brightness

[solemn maple]

On a side note, is passwords the only way to resume your progress in Doom64?

[remote hatch]

yes, same jap version

[topaz otter]

this is gonna be interesting, people have been cloning\emulating 8 and 16 bit consoles since the dawn of time because the later generation ones were too complicated

[weary perch]

what's really wild is that NTSC USA 1.1 came after PAL 1.0 but doesn't have the brightness default fixed 😦

[hasty kayak]

I find the timing... interesting Given Robert's amazing progress on the Core here.

[topaz otter]

and nintendo has pretty much looked the other way on 8 and 16 bit

[chrome quest]

Not sure when it happened, but Kirby 64 Enemy Info screen fixed!

[hasty kayak]

What benefit (other than this 4K Resolution and having the Cartridge Slot) would an Analogue N64 owner have over a MiSTer owner?

[native mesa]

A thinner wallet

[topaz otter]

simplicity and cost

[hasty kayak]

hahaha an Empty Bank account?

[topaz otter]

the mister requires a dozen "things" to make it run

[hasty kayak]

Cost? Analogue FPGA machines can be quite expensive?

[topaz otter]

its like voltron

[weary perch]

it'll probably work with Hey, You Pikachu which i kind of expect will not work in the foreseeable future on MiSTer, if ever, haha

[native mesa]

Analogue will likely be pretty plug and play

[lament escarp]

I plan to connect my mister to a rt4k, so I'll have the best of both.

[native mesa]

Mister does have a learning curve

[hasty kayak]

Indeed but MiSTer has you guys, an amazing community

[weary perch]

i guess possibly the VRU might end up working with SNAC

[topaz otter]

mister is for smart people with unlimited funds

[hasty kayak]

Plus we can run SO MANY different systems on this thing

[topaz otter]

dumb people with unlimited funds buy whatever it is that analogue makes

[native mesa]

I have a pocket I never touch

if only it had openfpga display modes

[hasty kayak]

Stuff full of Cash? 😉

[chilly pivot]

How About the best Fighter on N64.....G.A.S.P? Its working?

[topaz otter]

prevailing wisdom, at least from when I was a teenager up until now, has been that no modern console will ever be cloned

[native mesa]

MKT has been working I thought

[hasty kayak]

I will stick with MiSTer for the N64, I am glad I decided to get one of these almost 2 years ago now.

[toxic pumice]

I can't for love nor money get this to save tracks or machines. 😦 I don't know if this is a me problem or a core problem.

[topaz otter]

emulated yes, cloned no

[toxic pumice]

I've confirmed the save type is correct

[dreamy grove]

Mordern consoles are hardly different from desktop PCs

[hasty kayak]

This is true. They are just AMD Equipped PC's

[dreamy grove]

Hardly makes sense to clone what are essential cutdown consumer apus

[topaz otter]

they are way diferent for one reason, no documentation

[dreamy grove]

The company that develops them (AMD) also doesn't produce very much documentation internally

[topaz otter]

this is a pretty general statement and I tend to disagree with you

[dreamy grove]

They aren't really doing anything special though. Probably best forgotten

[topaz otter]

this is a way oversimplification

[dreamy grove]

How so?

[toxic pumice]

Would this indicate that the core just doesn't support the save type needed for custom tracks and machines just yet?

[hasty kayak]

Is it though? They are just AMD chips. Customized to an extent yes but the Hardware isn't much different to PC hardware?

[frail jolt]

https://www.ultrafp64.com/

My guess is analog system is based on this project...and last I checked. About a year ago...

The fpga alone was like 400. Just for fpga

Maybe more

[native mesa]

New 8bitdo controller tho?

[topaz otter]

there's a lot that goes into a modern console beyond just the CPU

[hasty kayak]

Its an AMD APU. It has RAM an SSD (onboard)... I mean what else is there?

[drowsy lantern]

I’ll buy it at a high price

[hasty kayak]

Its not like years ago when Sony's consoles used Custom made hardware?

[dreamy grove]

At least on the CPU side, modern consoles are running the exact same architecture from early zen

I can't speak on graphics

But not much different from laptop chips

[topaz otter]

there's a lot of software security stuff that goes into it to keep people from hacking it, modern consoles are supported by an online infrastructure that without it makes it a brick

[hasty kayak]

Ah Software though.. rather than Hardware

That could be achieved on a PC also.

[topaz otter]

the point is that if it was easy to clone something like the xbox one then china would have already done it

[hasty kayak]

The way MS is going, Windows 12 will need Online for a lot of its functionality or it will be a brick 😉

[topaz otter]

there's no FPGA on earth yet that could even come close to running something like an xbox 360 core

[hasty kayak]

This I know very well. PS2 is some way off too

[topaz otter]

hell the xbox 360 emulators have been in development since 2006

[hasty kayak]

We could be talking many many many more years until an FPGA is capable of having a PS2 core.

Xenia (Xbox 360) as good as it is, has a LONG way to go

[viscid quiver]

Most of the Analogue 64s customers are not ever going to have to worry about lack of financials.

These types are extremly well off

[hasty kayak]

I would still encourage them to go MiSTer 🙂

They would just need to see how its setup (which isn't too hard these days) and they will have a great experience.

[plush summit]

nah, Gamers in general are awful with money 😛

[viscid quiver]

It's like trying to convince a BMW driver that a Honda is better because of x. You might not be wrong, but they are never going to want what you are selling.

[dreamy grove]

A full MiSTer costs more than some hondas

[plush summit]

Civics and Camrys kinda exploded in price

(good ones I mean)

[dreamy grove]

It's rough out there

[woeful beacon]

honda rebel maybe

[viscid quiver]

Can't have nothing here

Can't have Analogue Can't have Analogys

[gritty current]

I'm sure the BOM costs will be much less

[viscid quiver]

The cheapest Honda in 2023 is 16000 USD. No MiSTer Build costs close to that

[woeful beacon]

I dunno what if you get a gold plated mister

use some diamonds for the button lights

[mossy needle]

Just a super conductor

[woeful beacon]

indeed

a

super

mister

if you will

[compact depot]

So this is the mazamars guy

[frail jolt]

Well buy in bulk.... you can probably scrape 50 to 100 off each unit

[frail jolt]

I'm just taking a guess here

[carmine kettle]

awesome

[compact depot]

It is, from his youtube links

[viscid quiver]

It could even have Field Programmable Gatorades

[compact depot]

Impressive what Robert did in a few months!

[frail jolt]

They said it will be the most expensive system they ever sold.... and this project has been in motion for YEARS....and it was built with the idea of carts built in

So I'm guessing they offered him a deal to finish the project on the low

[inner bronze]

Naah they definitely exist. They just cost a Tesla

[gritty current]

That's not what I'm talking about. No way they're going to use an FPGA chip that's more than ~$100 IMO

[compact depot]

I think they will just TIVOize Robert's core and call it done 😛

[frail jolt]

Well.. if the peolle will buy it...who cares what you spend tl build it lol

[gritty current]

They're probably trying to hit a $300 or $400 price point I would imagine

[inner bronze]

Think Retrotink 4k pricing

[empty cliff]

I don't get who it's aimed at

it says cartridges only so.. wouldn't you prefer just to get an n64 with a retrotink

[topaz otter]

Yeah but nobody is programming a core for a commercial game system on an industrial field programmable gate array

[compact depot]

cartridge people

[crisp monolith]

People with money that don't want to dick around with extra boxes or tinkering

[empty cliff]

sure but can't they just use an n64

[manic basin]

FYI, the Gamepass version of Doom64 includes the WAD as far as I can tell to make this happen. https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7897/

[inner bronze]

No, but the FPGA that could hold it exists

[crisp monolith]

N64 can't use modern controller

[empty cliff]

like what's the benefit of having yet another device that could be replaced by an n64

[topaz otter]

Have you seen the price on a used n64

[empty cliff]

as far as I read, this device uses 4 xn64 controller slots

[crisp monolith]

It will allow other controllers. Other Analogue devices have.

And it'll be jailbroken to play ROMs eventually

[inner bronze]

Bluetooth and 2.4G

Expect jailbreak

[topaz otter]

Also any OEM N64 is pushing 30

[inner bronze]

A bit iffy on other cores tho

[frail jolt]

Ita running on a nexys a7 board which is 350 to consumer.....so the chip itself probably aroind 150 on a custom pcb...

My guess.. all shitty speculation on my lart

[compact depot]

hardware preservation 🙃

[empty cliff]

from the way they're describing it though it's SOLD like "this has 4x n64 slots, a cartridge slot, and doesn't run roms"

you know what else has 4x n64 slots, a cartridge slots and doesn't run roms? an n64

[crisp monolith]

That's always the way they're sold at first

[sinful kayak]

It’s nice but the D-pad and Analoque stick should remain like on original. I don’t understand why all of these third party companies do this and swap dpad and analoque stick places. We need good third party one like NSO.

[inner bronze]

But an n64 isnt running at 4k and doesnt have the Apple hipster aesthetic

[crisp monolith]

It's really not that weird that there's a market for a device that looks nice, has some modern features, plays well with modern TVs and controllers and runs original carts/ROMs

[empty cliff]

to be clear, is the n64 upscaling the regular signal to 4k afterwards, or RENDERING at 4k?

[grizzled fern]

Whenever a dpad is in that position I always hate using it to move around in old games

[inner bronze]

We dont know yet

[topaz otter]

The SpaceX rocket also exists, I will just borrow it to get to work

[grizzled fern]

So like the controller for kirby 64 will be kinda annoying

[inner bronze]

Your words "there's no FPGA on earth yet that could even come close". Just refuting that.

[empty cliff]

I'm not saying it's weird I'm just saying I don't think that between having a mister and having an actual n64 with an everdrive it seems like there's much point in an fpga that only runs the n64

[sinful kayak]

I can’t play Pro skater 2 on this combo ineed OG one.

[crisp monolith]

Yeah it's not for those people

[toxic pumice]

I can't get Dezaemon DD to save either, I think all the DD conversions have saving problems with the current core.

[crisp monolith]

There are people without a MiSTer. Or have an N64 and games but would like a new device that plays well with their TV.

[empty cliff]

it would have to have an absolutely perfect fpga implementation too surely for that to sell well

[crisp monolith]

It'll sell out

[topaz otter]

I should have said consumer grade my bad

[empty cliff]

if the sell is "it's for video game preservation and it will 1:1 run like an n64 just without having to hunt down an old n64" then that's gonna be tough getting it to be exactly like an n64

[compact depot]

Damn scalper bots 😦

[daring meteor]

Whenever Robert does TLB, than we know we're really done

[gritty current]

Retrotink 4k is justifiable for many because it can work with all of yours consoles. A single purpose N64 would be a tough sell above about $400.

[sinful kayak]

One can buy Retrotink 5X.

[empty cliff]

how good actually is

retrotink*

[compact depot]

MiSTER + RetroTink > Analogue N64

[inner bronze]

Sure but this is down to parts cost as well. If a retrotink 4k is nearing a 1000, I cant imagine the Analogue 3D having a much smaller FPGA than theirs

[crisp monolith]

They can, but that doesn't give them the extra bits like running ROMs, wireless controllers etc.

[inner bronze]

Well Im guessing its up to performance rather than size with the Retrotink 4K. But still, Analogue is also wanting the 4K

[empty cliff]

how does a retrotink upscale, is it doing neural network stuff?

[weary beacon]

Other than transfer pak support. I don't see what it has going for it. not even openfpga runs on it.

[gritty current]

I thought pricing wasn't announced yet?

[inner bronze]

Retrotink 4K has semi-announced pricing. Budget 1000 we were told.

[gritty current]

Yes but they also said to expect to be pleasantly surprised iirc

[crisp monolith]

Like you can get annoyed by how Analogue operate as a company and how they market devices (I'm still waiting for those OpenFPGA core display modes they are long overdue and have said nothing about while they release endless special editions), but ultimately these devices serve a market that isn't served by other devices.

[inner bronze]

Nooooo. Most use integer scaling with fancy filters. It has bilinear, not sure what else. Nothing super crazy.

Its more about simulating CRT effects

[weary beacon]

Wait for the glow in the dark edition in piss yellow color! You'll be mad if you order now.

[empty cliff]

is it that much better than what mister can do out of the box?

[inner bronze]

Well, Mister doesnt do 4K or HDR

HDR allows for crisp CRT effects on OLED

[chilly pivot]

if i remember correctly...openfpga core display was announced to be release LAST year...i dont like this company

[empty cliff]

I've been messing around with the crt effects on mister on a flatscreen and I really don't like them, maybe just because it's only 1080p and there's not enough resolution to do the effect well

[fierce girder]

I would peg the RetroTINK 4k at around $500, maybe $600 at the highest if the 5X sells for $300 regularly

[inner bronze]

4K also allows you to do better integer scaling without a crop on some consoles

[empty cliff]

maybe I should try the 1440p overclock thing

[fierce girder]

I would imagine the Analogue 3D would also be around $500

[thorn flax]

bet

$700

[inner bronze]

https://www.retrotink.com/post/introducing-the-retrotink-4k

Summary of what it can do

[weary beacon]

You can use your own real carts. It will also work with all the controller paks.

[fierce girder]

It can with a BlueRetro receiver, very minimal lag too, unnoticeable for me

[gritty current]

FYI, they just said openFPGA display modes would release before end of year

[fierce girder]

$700 is literally the most I could see people being alright with coughing up

[crisp monolith]

Sure. But the solution to getting close to the featureset of the Analogue 3D is bolting together a few other devices, and sometimes people just want one tidy device to do it all.

[thorn flax]

I mean. scalpers can prolly slap an extra $100

[inner bronze]

Sure but first it was last year, then middle of this year, and now its end of this year

[crisp monolith]

I'll believe it when I see it! I hope so.

[thick terrace]

Superman and Roadster's Trophy (Barbie Cars) works. So the Core is done, right?

[weary beacon]

700 gets you mars fpga. That would price them straight out.

[inner bronze]

Assuming Mars FPGA can do 4K and can do it WELL

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun One more error bit 4 flag. ECW Hardcore Revolution (Europe) (0000010)
That's in addition to Mario Golf if you saw that earlier message (0080010)

[zenith orchid]

@lament escarp @languid dune it's pretty amazing that Doom64 complete edition backported a lot of the features and content from the Switch version. or so I've heard. I've yet to try it out

[crisp monolith]

If Mars is MiSTer but 4K and a nice frontend, I'm sold

[weary beacon]

4k@60 they claim

[weary beacon]

lol right

[zenith orchid]

#fpga-platforms please

[crisp monolith]

Not even that bothered if it means new cores beyond the capabilities of MiSTer, that would just be a bonus

[weary beacon]

shut down the convo lord doesn't like it.

[random portal]

Now this is something I'll keep my eye out on. Do they follow trends like the MiSTer or Analogue to be flashing this at the most coincidential time?

[chilly ember]

So much analogue and mars talk happening here

[crisp monolith]

Not interested in that 8BitDo N64 controller. If there's one thing I've learned using an NSO controller with the core it's that N64 games just don't feel right to me with any other controller.

[orchid nimbus]

#controllers please

[crisp monolith]

I need the prong layout

[orchid nimbus]

#prongsplease

[zenith orchid]

at least its n64 related

[crisp monolith]

Mario's long jump only really feels right with the Z trigger

[weary beacon]

It's kind of all related, what n64 paltform is best bang for buck..... maybe I am wrong.

[thorn flax]

have yah heard guys, we got like 10 new games today.

that's like the equivalent of 5 ps5

[viscid quiver]

Reminds me of a time when I used to collect Xbox controller varients. I palm slap myself thru my face for being so stupid.

[zenith orchid]

Doom64 and quake2 definitely look a lot better

[thorn flax]

you think?

but now it's harder to spot them without the red outline

[zenith orchid]

yeah, they fudged it up with the default brightness setting

[dusty tusk]

Finally, been meaning to check this out.

[orchid nimbus]

someone broke an archive on the internet

[bronze tree]

did they forget to enable VI gamma for doom?

[weary beacon]

I bought a broken ice blue n64 controller recently. The stick is broke, luckily the rest is good. I was going to replace it with a hall effect upgrade anyway. 40-80$ for those things. Maybe one of your variants will be rare.

[viscid quiver]

What you mean

[hollow badger]

TLB for Christmas

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow badger maybe

[zenith orchid]

@bronze tree someone made a patch that enables VI gamma for doom64, it doesn't look good 😄

[vapid hawk]

almost literally i think, go to the options and max out the gamma there, it'll look way more normal

[chrome quest]

Taz Express now has visible water

[bronze tree]

too bad, would have been a simple fix 🙂

[balmy dagger]

8Bitdo x Analogue isn't new. Plus: they share leadership, iirc.

[vapid hawk]

most romhacks reset the default midpoint to the current max

[zenith orchid]

even brightness in the middle looks better than the default

it's definitely playable

[vapid hawk]

yeah, maybe middle for an OLED, max on an lcd

its easily playable then yeah

[solemn marlin]

Why wouldn't duke have an invert axis option

[weary beacon]

I'm only getting one 8bitdo stick replacement for now until I find out if theirs, or retrobit is better.

[toxic pumice]

Hmm - Dezaemon DD will crash during edit if you try to create music.

The default games work but you can't make a thing on it unfortunately

[solemn marlin]

Who's the maniac who likes pressing down and looking up so much that he prevents normal people from enjoying the game

[vapid hawk]

do you think modern day airforce pilots complain they have to fly invert-stick?

[orchid nimbus]

not yet 🙂

[dusty tusk]

Love how easy mode in Superman 64 completely removes the rings.

[empty cliff]

we were talking about retrotink

[zenith orchid]

@solemn marlin I remember that being a cool kids club sort of thing.

[solemn marlin]

I will not accept jetplane arguments, duke nukem is not a plane

[vapid hawk]

which way do you tilt your head to look down? backwards or forwards?

[thorn flax]

a stunning start imo for day one of these games with unique features

[mortal panther]

Need a flashlight mod for DOOM.

[lament escarp]

Probably.

[toxic pumice]

Oh absolutely, in time it will come. 🙂

[zenith orchid]

duct tape mod? 😂

[mortal panther]

Cultured, I see.

[lament escarp]

I preferred the flashlight in the original doom3 to the one in the bfg edition.

[vapid hawk]

i actually liked the flashlight as it was in default doom3

[mortal panther]

They mastered space travel to wage war on other planets... just couldn't figure out how to mount a light on the weapon.

[solemn marlin]

I'm not imagining myself puppeteering duke, I am duke, I press down to look down

[chilly ember]

Playing with the flashlight in doom 3 bfg is too easy

[elfin depot]

Made it more of a horror game

[zenith orchid]

I love that in complete edition you can set the three point filter to only apply to the sky texture

[vapid hawk]

yeah it was like a mechanic from a survival horror

[mortal panther]

He prepared for every conceivable eventuality... except for the lights being off.

[viscid quiver]

Can speak to this. Atleast the one I know doesn't complain of this.

[elfin depot]

Will Smith did in the alien ship in ID4

[lilac scroll]

MiiSTer

[solemn marlin]

Okay if you want to imagine that duke nukem is some sort of plane that you're maneuvering but not everyone shares that fetish.. can you invert stick in main?

[weary palm]

Real carts? Pretty useless feature, if you ask me. Perhaps if you have saves you want to backup.

[odd vector]

Any new games running with the new build?

[hearty oar]

Inverted controls for life

This is how every game used to do it

[zinc dew]

I appreciate people reminding others to keep on-topic in this channel. Y'all have the moderator's support.

[solemn marlin]

Dark ages

[daring meteor]

Any that use the CIC

5167 CIC

[lament escarp]

I can get used to either, but I don't like if a game is stuck in the way I'm not used to.

[viscid quiver]

Who asked you

[weary beacon]

It could double as a rom dumper. I all ready have OSCR so, yeah to me it's also worthless for that.

[odd vector]

So no jfg?

[drowsy lantern]

Do you get a worse ending for using Easy mode? Or any other penalty?

[zinc dew]

playing Superman 64 is penalty enough

huehuehue

[weary palm]

Shut up

[lament escarp]

Don't you want to 100% it for the checklist?

[fierce girder]

The game just ends on easier difficulties

It dumps you back into the menu

Playing on normal and hard literally just allows you to play the last two missions of the game

[fair stump]

Robby already has that quest 64 100% playthrough to work on

[lament escarp]

I'd watch him suffer... erm stream! I meant to say stream.

[fierce girder]

Quest 64 is a fun game to stream

[daring meteor]

I love ℚúεš́τ 64

[fierce girder]

Lots of cheesy dialog to act, and plenty of time to interact with viewers since you can spam rocks and heals the entire game

[viscid quiver]

No. Nobody asked for your attitude either but clearly you have the mentality of a 3 year old

[zinc dew]

SEE, why won't anyone believe me it's unblocked!

[quaint pewter]

urk. play nice, peeps?

[zinc dew]

I'm gonna nuke the quest64 stickers and emote, I assume no one objects?

[languid dune]

Roooobbyyyyy, make them play nice!

[lament escarp]

You can write quest64 now, but you're banished from the mister discord 10 minutes later.

[languid dune]

A sinister play!

[zinc dew]

@weary palm / @viscid quiver no more negativity please or I'll do a timeout. If you have any issues please let me know and I'll help resolve.

[weary beacon]

How did they even get there in the first place?

[zinc dew]

me lol, but I think the joke has run its course

[quaint pewter]

MEMEs gonna MEME

[raw oriole]

One last touch

[languid dune]

Noooo!

[zinc dew]

wait no @raw oriole did the original

[raw oriole]

Can't pin that on me!

[pearl tusk]

[raw oriole]

I didn't even know the game before it became a meme 😄

[lament escarp]

Leave that one I need that one.

[pearl tusk]

Nintendo 64 + Analogue

[weary beacon]

What do you like about it?

[lament escarp]

I also need things like this.

[thorn flax]

we now need a DD version

[drowsy lantern]

Well I had no intention of playing Superman 64, but if I ever I feel masochistic, I'll be playing on Normal. Thanks! 😛

[pearl tusk]

If nothing else, just because I am a fan of 64, I will buy it but I don't think it is the best option to play 64

[balmy dagger]

If basket is still posting Seagal gifs, then I'd say you're good still.

[cerulean elk]

I bet Analogue doesn’t ban their users from saying Brian 64 @zinc dew

[weary beacon]

It might be the best, we don't know for sure yet. I was just curious because if you own a mister. This core will scratch my itch.

[pearl tusk]

I feel that apart from 64 they are going to integrate OpenFPGA so that people can add the Pocket cores but now in 4K

which doesn't excite me either but it's fine for the clients

[zinc dew]

I forgot how to access the emote/sticker settings lol, give me a second

[latent galleon]

did you also forget how to permaban trolls

PERMA

[weary beacon]

I guess I am curious how much 4k vs 1080p would be for n64.

[pearl tusk]

Personally, my dream is mister core 64 + Retrotink 4K, whatever this new device does, if it actually does something well, it will be a gain

[languid dune]

Joke?

[thorn flax]

I was never a fan of this console.
and I thought it's architecture was suboptimal considering the extra time it had in the oven compared to Saturn.

robets work has given me a new perspective and respect for some of the decisions made.

[zinc dew]

IT IS DONE

[weary palm]

Excuse meee, but you gave me attitude first.

[weary beacon]

all righty then

[quaint pewter]

He's not the messiah, he's a naughty boy.

[fair stump]

[zinc dew]

lol, we have limited sticker spots, didn't want to limit it with those two

same with emoji spots

although we have a lot free

[weary palm]

What did you do?

[balmy dagger]

...you really did it... you... robby...

[zinc dew]

I removed the two quest stickers and the one quest emoji

[languid dune]

You don't wanna know mate. –RE4 Merchant

[zinc dew]

jokes run its course, we can all say quest 64 now

sorry I'm being off topic I realize

[marble cargo]

Quest 64

Holy shit

[quaint pewter]

Can I say Queef 64?

[languid dune]

We can keep the meme going by still pretending to get around the sensor. Brian 64 forevah!

[mortal panther]

Surely you Jest 64.

[weary palm]

Beating a dead horse

[cerulean elk]

My fav core revision

[zenith orchid]

looks like red Wario 😄

[quaint pewter]

Was that the age of the three eyed Pikachu?

[weary palm]

And faceless mario

[zenith orchid]

yeah that makes sense, with the repeating texture

damn we've come such a long way

[hasty kayak]

Mike Matei?

[zenith orchid]

ah, the real AVGN.

[quaint pewter]

Plenty more games, plenty more Mondays

[weary perch]

Some games still have red transparency issues (S.C.A.R.S., Starshot), missing text (Top Gear Rally, Bio F.R.E.A.K.S., some wrestling games), scrambled textures (AeroFighters Assault, World Driver Championship), LOD tricks (Peach -> Bowser face in SM64), some interlacing modes seem to be missing some vertical detail, no transfer pak support, head/taillights broken in Ridge Racer 64, random crash in e.g. Rugrats in Paris... still lots and lots of stuff

[zinc dew]

that's a great summary, thank you!

[weary perch]

if i'm not mistaken Polaris Snocross still crashes before you can finish a race, as well

[daring meteor]

To add to that:

Other transparency issues (Bettle adventure racing, Dr Mario), broken games at all (NBA Jam 99, War Gods), YUV support (Ogre Battle 64), VI Async

[quaint pewter]

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but also save still doesn't work in Shiren 2 Mystery Dungeon. As long as it's on the list I'm happy.

[zinc dew]

the Densha de Go 64 translation still no worky but I know I'm the only one who cares about that lmao

[daring meteor]

It works

[quaint pewter]

It not working was so yesterday robby 🙂

[daring meteor]

:3

[zinc dew]

🚂 💨

[languid dune]

I think Shiren The Wanderer 2 might also be the only game that doesn't have save support still as well. Last I checked, it uses something unique that other games don't.

[lament escarp]

Is that the train game? It looks interesting and if there's a trainslation I'll deffo give it a go!

[languid dune]

You better! You'll need it for your training.

[daring meteor]

Isn't Shiren just SRAM?

[languid dune]

Not sure, but it doesn't save.

[zinc dew]

yeah it's a bit silly but I genuinely enjoy managing speed + adhering to speed limits and also the whole stopping at the right spot at the stations. It's a bit of a difficult test of mental physics calculations.

[daring meteor]

Ah, its constant

[lament escarp]

Only other game I'd really really wish a translation for is neon genesis.

[thorn flax]

I was always more of a Nadesico fan

[tropic sand]

88 mph (142 km/h) ?

[languid dune]

I'd like a translation of the othe Puyo Puyo game. I know the Dreamcast version has one, but not N64.

[fair stump]

Have you played the 3ds one? The 3d effect is a nice addition

[languid dune]

Gotta go back in tiiiiime!

[solemn marlin]

Works for me, the text is english but the voice is japanese, really adhered to those speed limits like a pro

[zinc dew]

Oh yeah, the Sonic Powered ones? Those are cool, I really dig the FMV style. It's so low-res on the 3DS though, haha.

[zinc dew]

OMG

brb, going to test!!

[cerulean elk]

Densha De Go should have been the meme game all along. Not quest

[languid dune]

War Gods though!

[solemn marlin]

It's a really beautiful and serene kind of game, def something that's nice just running on a monitor

[cerulean elk]

I really have to get my board wired up

I want to play it but I need to figure out all the controls

[daring meteor]

War Gods vs NBA Jam

99

[solemn marlin]

Not sure how much more involved it is beyond speeding up and hitting the breaks but stuff might get harder 🤔

[cerulean elk]

Jeopardy

that should have been it

[fierce girder]

Jeopardy 64 is good because it has Alex Trebek

[weary beacon]

NBA jam 99 is a disgrace. It's not even NBA jam!

[eternal ravine]

See how the crazy business computer is still running?
wacky stuff

[manic basin]

It was like him and Yahoo Serious top to bottom for 8 months during a fever dream.

[eternal ravine]

Holy crappe, Yahoo Serious

[languid dune]

It really does work!! Densha de go go baby! 🤘

[cerulean elk]

Young Einstein 🤣

[wraith estuary]

OK WHERE TF IS THE Q64 EMOTE ??? HEADS ARE GONNA ROLL !!!!!

[weary perch]

supposedly Shiren 2 uses SRAM but the entry which gets its saves working on everdrive doesn't specify which kind... kinda weird. it also allegedly uses SRAM as scratch and writes to it constantly; not sure if that bit is relevant or not.

SI=3  (Shiren the Wanderer 2)

0 - OFF
1 - EEPROM 4k
2 - EEPROM 16K
3 - SRAM
4 - SRAM 768K
5 - FLASHRAM
6 - SRAM 128K

[manic basin]

I loved (LOVED!) Reckless Kelly.

[cerulean elk]

Just googled what happened to him. Bout what you’d expect

[eternal ravine]

Pretty sure I saw Young Einstein in the theatre

[languid dune]

Robby betrayed us all.

[zenith orchid]

yeah its quite vague

[weary perch]

looks like Biohazard 2 and Itoi's Bass Fishing game both use that same 3 code for saving... anyone been able to successfully save in those yet?

Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 apparently also uses that 3 code

[zenith orchid]

Biohazard 2? could it be saving differently from RE2?

[weary perch]

apparently...

[zenith orchid]

thats odd

[weary perch]

going by codes listed which allow specific games to save on everdrive 64 https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=6126.0

[zenith orchid]

is there a way to know what ed64 does with that code?

[weary perch]

other than that legend, not sure

0 - OFF
1 - EEPROM 4k
2 - EEPROM 16K
3 - SRAM
4 - SRAM 768K
5 - FLASHRAM
6 - SRAM 128K

[zenith orchid]

I guess it's not open-source

[weary perch]

all the US SRAM games seem to work with 128K

Dezaemon needs 768kbit

no idea what the unlisted one really is

[zenith orchid]

which is wise because of Chinese clone market

[daring meteor]

Hmmmmm

[weary perch]

if Biohazard 2 / Itoi's bass fishing game / VPW2 don't already have working saves then whatever is causing this is probably the case for all of 'em

if they do, i guess back to the drawing board 😄

[daring meteor]

Every sram game is 256k

Should be

Weird

[weary perch]

oh right

so maybe that 6 entry is the outlier?

128kbit

[rose elbow]

ooh, the analogue announcement does come with a photo of an 8bitdo n64 controller 👀

[weary palm]

I would think they meant 256kbit/32kB

[chrome quest]

Is War Gods broken? Down as completable on the sheet

[hollow rune]

I can check

[daring meteor]

I confuse it with the other wwf game

War zone

Wait it's not even wwf

My bad

Lmao

[tidal zenith]

wow, I guess the disney magic wore off already and BUSINESS ROBBY is back

[weary perch]

yeah looks like SRAM is 256kbit

the only thing that appears to use this code 6 128kbit SRAM is the neon64 NES emulator

so that one can be safely ignored

[hollow rune]

That was what I noticed with the last build

I was so close to finished

[weary perch]

in that case it seems like something specific to Shiren 2, potentially

[vapid hawk]

you can save in biohazard2 no problem

[viscid quiver]

@zinc dew your right. I would like to extend my apology to you. I was in the wrong here. Take care dude...

[vapid hawk]

and load

[viscid quiver]

Or. I meant @weary palm

[hollow rune]

War Gods plays fine

[weary perch]

yeah seems to be some kind of Shiren 2 issue. so, potentially something to do with the fact that allegedly the game writes to SRAM constantly

maybe that failsafe - that Robert put in to prevent games like SF Rush from hanging with the OSD open doing an infinite save since the core is constantly writing a bit or something to the CPAK - has something to do with it

[zenith orchid]

I'm having too much fun with Doom64 CE. With the default brightness all the way up, even the demos are a lot more exciting to watch

[quaint pewter]

Shiren definately has 32k save. That's the file size on Simple64 and save loads back up on there.

[hollow rune]

Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits - Volume 1 (USA).z64 doesn't seem to have anymore issues

[quaint pewter]

I even tried copying a pc emulator save to the mister and it won't load into shiren.

[languid dune]

I can't get this one to run. I can get the unpatched version to run, but not the english patched version. Tried patching it myself and using a pre-patched version. Both don't boot at all for me.

Frustration, thy name is puyo.

[dense wagon]

nice test build and a untable-nightly for controllers

we are being spoilt today 😄

[daring meteor]

True, especially with the amount of games working now*

[zenith orchid]

good lord, one of the quake 2 demos shows 4 player deathmatch. it runs on average at 15fps

the demo after shows 2p death match that looks much more playable at 25fps avg

[vapid hawk]

4 player at 15fps is like, 4x better than performance in perfect dark 😄

[zenith orchid]

really?

[vapid hawk]

yeah 4p perfect dark can hit some crazy low framerates

[zenith orchid]

what about goldeneye?

[vapid hawk]

about the same

you can get it to seconds-per-frame instead of frames per second if you spam enough explosives around. like grenade launcher weapons

[weary perch]

4p perfect dark is still conceivably playable. now do 4p+8 simulants 😄

[trim seal]

Young Einstein was the first movie I saw in the cinema with my Dad. It is extremely special to me.

[weary perch]

that'll get you real low

[zenith orchid]

3 player is a little better.. closer to 18fps avg

[trim seal]

I've had a few exchanges with Yahoo trying to get a re-release but Warner took a huge financial loss the year it was supposed to happen then....nothing, because they're stupid with their properties. Hopefully one of the boutique labels picks it up. Anyway, I digress.

[vapid hawk]

i wonder if the psx version of quake2 actually runs faster in its 4p mode

[zenith orchid]

2p surprisingly is about the same as single player

@vapid hawk I would be surprised. but I like that it supports mouse

[languid dune]

Never mind, I got it working. Apparently the cic number changes once it's patched.

[viscid quiver]

Nagano Winter Olympics running yet?

That's my jam right now

[weary perch]

Quake II in 3p runs better than NHL Blades of Steel '99 in single-player 😢

[zenith orchid]

2p is so much better

[vapid hawk]

the core is probably faster than real hardware right now too bear in mind

[zenith orchid]

yeah that shot was below the average. it averages at 18 I'd say

@vapid hawk yeah true

[weary perch]

NHL BOS 99 hangs out at like 12 lol

[quaint pewter]

"Emulators seem to have problems with Shiren 2 unless they've specifically patched it. Possibly because it saves the game to SRAM with every step." Well that doesn't sound promising. It needs game specific stuff to stop the save ending up as gibberish. maybe the rom can be patched rather than the core?

[zenith orchid]

Overall the N64 version of quake 2 seems to have better dynamic lighting than the psx version. and VI features makes it look similar to the PC version in opengl

but I can't say that beats being able to use mouse controls on the PSX version

well, it seems to me that all non-TLB FPS games are flawless

[hollow rune]

@cerulean elk @fallen sparrow
Beyond what was in the notes, you may want to check out

• Namco Museum 64 - Had a whole bunch of issues, with Pacman and galaga crashing. Pole Position also crashed. There was a weird brown line. Now it all works
• Midway Classics Vol 1 - looks perfect now. The last text issues are resolved

[cerulean elk]

👍 appreciate it panda

[hollow rune]

sorry pcn if this is bothersome, I know VGE asked for any noteable changes, and I thought I would add you

[wraith estuary]

thanks for your work panda!

[zenith orchid]

if either of you cover doom64, do apply the "complete edition" patch so the brightness in the game settings is all the way up by default 😄

[chrome quest]

Was just about to update the sheet, you mentioning Midway reminded me to check our good old first game Namco Museum.
Seems like since yesterdays core (loading it today), it all works.
Finally, Pole Position runs on the core! Title screen music and everthing!

[hollow rune]

Just don't expect anything from me during the Jaguar core development

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks

[hollow rune]

Is it not on one of the psx discs?

[chrome quest]

Maybe? I must confess I'm not so familiar with old arcade games and the various compilations like this one.
I've just tested it every so often with new cores as I found it funny, first game to boot, but Pole Position was still crashing with Mario Kart 64 virtually perfected 🤣

[hollow rune]

Yeah I would have to check. It was getting weird with that game. I swear the weird brown line wasn't always there, and then Pacman stopped working at one point.

The Namco Museum PSX discs are also not super familiar to me. It is a shame we don't have the arcade core. My dad is a software developer. I should make him make it.

[vapid moat]

DD Games are running? WOah

[weary perch]

Pole Position is on the PSX Namco Museum Vol. 1, but can only use analog via a neGcon due to being released in 1995 prior to the Dual Shock. the N64 version works with the analog stick

[quasi basalt]

Looks like the N64 database file is missing the save type which prevents the game from booting. These are the options you'd need to add to your database file ntsc|cic5167|eeprom512|rpak

[vapid hawk]

on the psx core you can use an analog stick as a negcon if you want

[weary perch]

notably, arcade PP uses a 360-degree free-spinning wheel which is kinda hard to emulate

[cerulean elk]

You can bother him. I said so 😂

Everyone can bother @fallen sparrow I give my blessing

[fallen sparrow]

Please always ping me, any heads up is always appreciated

[prisma ivy]

N64 mouse? Lol

[vapid moat]

Nope, NTSC Mode's on 0 for me

[chrome quest]

Can you also add those manually to "System Settings". New database also failing to load. Couldn't find an "eeprom512" setting, but "EEPROM4" got it to boot

[brisk edge]

I never got around to testing Cubivore until today, but it now has the same "issue" as banjo where it would benefit from cropping the overscan out.

[languid dune]

It was the cic number that changed with the patch. Once I fixed that, it worked.

[native mesa]

For those that missed it

[dusty tusk]

Here's hoping we get 5x crop soon™️

[dusty tusk]

Ooh, what's this.

[elfin relic]

8bitdo's version of a brawler64

[native mesa]

It's in the analogue 64 announcement

[short hill]

I hope analogue isn't just ripping off fpgaszumspass work

[quasi basalt]

Yes eeprom512 = EEPROM4

[little bane]

Has anyone played doom64 and it crashed? With me on level 2

[hollow rune]

😍

[hollow rune]

I will try to replicate

[zenith orchid]

not sure the core supports that. even if it did, I can't tell if you could control 1 player with 2 controllers on quake 2

[zinc dew]

the n64 mouse works like an analog stick, right?

meaning it works on any game that uses the analog stick

oh here's a video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38u010d02E8

[prisma ivy]

That guy!

I haven't seen his videos pop up in my feed for a while despite being subbed

🤬 ing YouTube

[zinc dew]

he's awesome

[prisma ivy]

I enjoy him. Much happiness and excitement

[zenith orchid]

analog stick and A/B buttons. but it takes an entire controller port leaving you without the rest of the buttons

in psx quake 2, you use the second controller port for the mouse

[zinc dew]

I bought the PS1 mouse just to try that and I never did

[zenith orchid]

for quake2 psx, it's so worth it 👍

On a separate note, it's really nice seeing rogue squadron play so well. there's still an issue with text in the main menu, but once that is fixed it should be solid

[worn delta]

Do any of the converted DD titles need/use the mouse?

[zenith orchid]

mario paint 64

well, I'm not sure if it's converted actually

or if sim city is

starcraft 64 is kinda frustrating to play without an optimized analog stick

but other than that it's really fun

[fair stump]

Are 64dd games no different than normal .N64 roms? Or are they a completely different format?

[zinc dew]

Same file format. At least the ones I have are z64

[hollow rune]

Honestly I will need to do it tomorrow. It is late here and this game is so dark and the levels unfamiliar enough to me I am not sure what is happening

Doom 1 it is not

Is the Switch version of Doom 64 this dark?

[solemn marlin]

I finished 2 levels, 100% completion for the second one, no crash. I played the patched complete version and didn't think it was too dark

[fallen sparrow]

Essential purchase, especially if RF

[native mesa]

Looks 8bitdo to me

[elfin relic]

100% 8bitdo

[rose elbow]

the logo in middle is deffo 8bitdo

[solemn marlin]

You people are sluts for peripherals

[rose elbow]

interesting they're not doing the standard 3 prong design. i'll probably still pick one up out of curiositiy if they drop it standalone with a usb dongle for 2.4g

even tho im happy with the nso controllers, i cant help be curious LOL

[prisma ivy]

The more peripherals the better

[elfin relic]

(I'm honestly still happy with the dualsense for n64 most of the time)

[native mesa]

True I'll buy it over software any day

[prisma ivy]

Give me a joystick specifically made for Starfox

Give me a special train controller for Densha Go

[deft tree]

There is one

[prisma ivy]

For N64 though?

[deft tree]

Yup

[prisma ivy]

Haha oh dang!

[solemn marlin]

Gotta wear the conductor hat for it tho

[deft tree]

This ascii wheel is on my local FB

[prisma ivy]

Amaaaazing

[elfin relic]

looks like densha de go 64 also had some VRS support (mic)

[prisma ivy]

Oh yeah there was that hey you Pikachu game with the microphone

[zenith orchid]

good question, I'd like to know if the default brightness in the options menu is also at the darkest setting on the switch version

[prisma ivy]

It would be real fun to speak i to the microphone to kill enemies in OOT. A real callback

[weary perch]

only the two NTSC USA revisions have that bug

PAL and JPN have it fixed even on N64, the modern ports also have it fixed

[native mesa]

Nintendo and weird peripherals. Name a better pair

[prisma ivy]

Sega and hardware add ons

[rose crypt]

soooo does the new update imply goldeneye runs or not yet

[native mesa]

Where would you see that implication

[weary perch]

goldeneye is still a ways out. it requires TLB, which is the last thing that will be added to the core because it makes debugging hard

[deft tree]

64 is honestly pretty devoid of weird peripherals compared to PSX

[rose crypt]

wait lol that's TWINE as in The World is not Enough

not some other acronym

me: this must be a technical thing

[native mesa]

I think TLB is next after all the bugs are hammered out

/optimizations

[little bane]

I replayed it and it didn't crash, strange but I reached level 3, did anyone manage to save it in game? For me it always appears with empty slots and doesn't save, strange. I'll try again tomorrow. Thanks

[compact depot]

Tried 007 TWINE for the first time in my life. Seems like a decent game. Too bad the first thing I’ve done was to punch the face of that lady then things went bad 😅

007 GTA

[solemn marlin]

I think it must be added to the database file, or something, activating the cpak, but yes it didn't save for me either

[solemn marlin]

He has a license to kill, you'd think you'd get away with slightly tazering a receptionist

[vapid hawk]

i might actually try and finish twine, seems neat

[solemn marlin]

It's good, consider the holy gospel of the dual stick

[vapid hawk]

i think the framerate gets a lot better if you disable the expansion pak then goto options and pick lowres mode

[chilly ember]

Twine's okay. The last level is pretty underwhelming

[compact depot]

I feel like that as well

[weary beacon]

Mark Mortal Kombat Trilogy as beatable.

[thorn flax]

ngl that looks vile

[solemn marlin]

It's has those budding symptoms of cinematic ambitions which I dislike about the later bond games but I guess it's inevitable with a movie tie-in game done under ea

[thorn flax]

wait, does thst have a rumble pak slot?

[fierce girder]

Yup, I have an interact wheel and pedals with a pak slot

[viral portal]

Looks like it has a slot for a pak of some kind. Whether it's compatible with rumble...

Can't imagine it would work any different than the original port, though

[fierce girder]

The interact n64 wheel and pedal set might be my most useless controller ever

But I love it and it was a good price

[worldly quartz]

does it only work for like 1 game or something?

[deft tree]

none of the 64 peripherals have special modes or anything really

[worldly quartz]

there's a madcatz wheel sold near me

[deft tree]

they're just creatively mimicing the existing buttons/analog stick

[fierce girder]

It works for any game but there’s so few racers on the n64 that would benefit from actually having a wheel

None of them are actual sim racers

[worldly quartz]

yeah, I guess it's not like the ps1 with the analog modes and all with multiple games

[fierce girder]

MRC maybe counts? Barely though

[native mesa]

Is there a way to speed up cifs or is it pretty much set with speed?

[solemn marlin]

I can understand a wheel or a gun but not for n64, it's deformed plastic containing the same thing lol

[weary perch]

there's also this bizarre thing

anyone tried one of those?

[solemn marlin]

You know where it goes

[fierce girder]

The wheel I have has 3 sensitivity modes, that’s about it

[dreamy ridge]

i remember seeing ads for those in EGM 🤣

[deft tree]

i have the PS1 and 64 versions

[deft tree]

the PS1 version fakes negcon and is pretty solid

[worldly quartz]

looks like the madcats is slightly better by having a stick. I wouldn't buy it since I barely even use my switch/pc wheel

[weary perch]

ps1 one looks a bit less fugly

still not great tho 😄

[fierce girder]

If I didn’t have a Jogcon already, I would try one of those

[deft tree]

it's like an RC style controller

just 90* off axis

[weary perch]

growing up if i saw "Performance" on the box of a controller, i knew it would perform... poorly

[worldly quartz]

wow I didn't know there were other jogcon simulators

I have the mix of the negcon and jogcon

[eternal ravine]

I have a super chintzy RC controller for Saturn

[deft tree]

It doesn't actually rotate the whole way

180*

[fierce girder]

Yeah those performance ones are like 90 degrees max?

[solemn marlin]

"Here bro, you can be player two 👍"

[chilly ember]

If you win we can trade controllers

[fierce girder]

Performance brand was alright in my eyes for being third party, their controller paks are some of the only ones with Phillips screws and replaceable batteries. No game bit or soldering necessary.

I sought out a couple of them for that reason alone when I was first putting my N64 setup together

[weary perch]

that is pretty nice, yeah

gamebit sucks

[solemn marlin]

No one is winning playing on the crucible of plastic, it looks like it has straps

[deft tree]

as someone who has raced RC a good bit, I'm totally in

[eternal ravine]

Yellowed clear plastic surely is a look

[deft tree]

ive seen a PSX one thats all black

[cold pollen]

Holy shit

I thought Twine was a game

[worldly quartz]

Have they mentioned if snac/snax will support 4 ports?

[deft tree]

it supports 4

theres test builds

[worldly quartz]

now if only someone would make a snac selector thingy

[silver galleon]

What mode is best to run the 8bitdo mod kit in? Mine just came in and I’m looking forward to finally checking out the core soon.

[solemn marlin]

Never buying a wheel but the negcon looks cool tbh, it's good?

[deft tree]

negcon and jogcon are both good

[fierce girder]

A NeGcon and a Jogcon and the Reflex Adapt from Misteraddons will open a whole new world of analog input for your MiSTer

Just gotta wait for the Reflex restock

[solemn marlin]

It's only for ps1 tho right? Damn they're pricey

[worldly quartz]

I mean for the time, it was good. It does feel weird to use it

[fierce girder]

The reflex adapt is the part that lets you use them on any core

[worldly quartz]

If you like racers and you dislike the ps1 controller, I could see it as a nice alternative

I'm whatever about them

[solemn marlin]

Yea they look weird, kind of want to try first, looks like you're squeezing a lemon to steer

[worldly quartz]

it feels weird to use at first

[carmine kettle]

super mario without the patch black screen instead of the rainbow screen

[worldly quartz]

Has there been discussion about Analogue's N64 fpga console?

[fair stump]

People have been talking about it in #fpga-platforms

[native mesa]

all day

[fierce girder]

Lots of discussion lol

[manic basin]

@wanton sun Thank you thank you THANK you for giving GladOS a voice!! Portal is such an amazing experience on N64....but with the sound it's going to get a full play tonight!

[vapid hawk]

oh awesome is that fixed now?

[fierce girder]

I can’t wait for portal 64 to be done

[manic basin]

Yep!

[fierce girder]

Definitely one of my most anticipated rom hacks

[carmine kettle]

what game?

[vapid hawk]

yeah i'm waiting for them to finish all the levels

[fierce girder]

Not even a rom hack really, it’s just a new game

[vapid hawk]

https://github.com/lambertjamesd/portal64

[worldly quartz]

homebrew n64 portal game

is it completable?

Although I am a dumbass and barely completed the OG portal games

[vapid hawk]

no only i think 7 levels are in

[fierce girder]

This and the DS version of Mario Galaxy are seriously impressive, Nintendo consoles have some magic that attracts incredible devs to make homebrew on it for decades after they are relevant

[vapid hawk]

i think it works with 1p2c too, it's going to be awesome

[worldly quartz]

Man, I wish I could find a modded DS with composite out

[vapid hawk]

wiiU is good for playing ds games on tv i hear

[worldly quartz]

it has poor compatibility

[vapid hawk]

oh really, damn

[worldly quartz]

it's great for games that work

like super princess peach doesn't work

[fierce girder]

Yeah unfortunately the best DS is still a DS, the second best is a 3DS

Emulation is still tricky

[vapid hawk]

i did the whole softmod thing on a 3DS XL recently, pretty great

[fierce girder]

Softmodded 3DS is really nice, I got an R4 card for mine for simplicities sake though

And I can also use it on my DS Phat, not that I really want to

[latent galleon]

n3ds is 10000% worth owning

forever and ever, amen

[eternal ravine]

I tried to use my hacked n3DS (smaller size) and my hands cried out in agony
It's loaded with all sorts of stuff I will never play

[fierce girder]

I have an OG 3DS and a Circle Pad Pro, I love having oddball peripherals

[eternal ravine]

I like to think of it as the ultimate evolution of Game & Watch

[manic basin]

I'm on Test Chamber 9 right now.

[eternal ravine]

I love that some G&W actually have controllers

[fierce girder]

They should have kept remastering G&W games for the DS/3DS

That’s dope

[manic basin]

I'll see how far it goes.

[wraith estuary]

I had no idea this existed!

[vapid hawk]

that sounds neato

is it finished or in progress?

[fierce girder]

Yeah it’s nuts

In progress

[vapid hawk]

main reason i softmodded was to play the fixed version of majoras mask. great romhack