Nintendo 64

[zenith orchid]

yeah

[echo dawn]

Thanks all 🙂

[zenith orchid]

np

[toxic pumice]

https://vampier.net/N64/N64-database.txt

[shrewd peak]

For mischief makers you need to set pad speed to normal

In debug settings

[zenith orchid]

Make sure you apply this patch and set the aspect ratio to 16:9 or full depending on your screen

Whoops, didn't mean to tag the guy

[rough flax]

it's cool lol

[zenith orchid]

😅

Thanks for providing the patch, its so good!

[cerulean elk]

That’s in the next vid. But I might move it to thurs

[languid dune]

A shame that the patch for widescreen F-Zero X that doesn't stretch the 2D assets doesn't work. Not a huge deal, but that would have been

[zenith orchid]

All it needs is a built in dithering disabled. So I don't have to turn it back on when I switch it to other games. F-Zero X really doesn't suffer from color banding

[zenith orchid]

Sweeeet

[cerulean elk]

I did a non-core updated widescreen showcase and viewer test request vid

[zenith orchid]

N64 only supports anamorphic wide screen. So the 2D assets would have to be squished first, which will make them look worse when stretched

[languid dune]

If you didn't include the Bomberman Hero widescreen patch, then you have failed yourself!

[cerulean elk]

I didn’t include it lol

Not gonna lie…I like it better 4x3

[languid dune]

Yeah I know, it's noticeable in the other patches like that. But still would have been a cool alternative.

[languid dune]

Honestly, the game crashed on me early on when testing that patch.

[cerulean elk]

You do get some Brian 64 widescreen though @languid dune

[zenith orchid]

Oh yeah, where is the Brian 64 ws patch?

We really should keep all widescreen patches in a place where they are easy to find

[chilly ember]

https://retrowsc.wordpress.com/2022/04/30/quest-64-us/

[hollow rune]

How many of these are there

[chilly ember]

There's a bunch. Yxkalle posted a YouTube channel that had some too

[hollow rune]

and I am not going to lie, I am not sure how into it I am. I am glad it exists though

[zenith orchid]

SM64, MK64, F-Zero, Brian64.. not sure what else

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/Dt3qG2y7IO4?si=6s-GqhLumFEcBIeB

[zenith orchid]

is that an actual patch? or is it a hacked emulator mode?

[chilly ember]

I play on a 4:3 crt most of the time so I probably won't use much of the widescreen patches but the option is cool

[languid dune]

Truth be told, the low res anamorphic widescreen of N64 games (and PS1 games via that core's OSD) never really looked good to me. Anamorphic widescreen really only starts to look good when getting into 480p territory in my opinion. Seeing those stretched out pixels and detail loss just doesn't do it for me. F-Zero X is one of the few examples that I think works well because that game moves so fast and doesn't have much detail to begin with.

[chilly ember]

I didn't try any of the patches from that YouTube channel. I believe they're just gameshark codes in a patch for widescreen

[zenith orchid]

yeah it's mainly an issue with 2D assets

[languid dune]

It's a problem with all detail though.

[hollow rune]

Playing Saturn right now, and it just doesn't do it for me like N64 or even Playstation does. It leaned too hard into the Arcade type of games

[zenith orchid]

Saturn really shines with shmups

[languid dune]

And fighting games.

For that generation of consoles, it's Saturn>PS1>N64 for me personally.

[toxic pumice]

Saturn is the arcade gamer's console

[zenith orchid]

the point of the patch is to increase FOV, so it fills the wider aspect ratio. Does it really compromise detail?

[languid dune]

It does. Because the pixel density is dramatically lessened.

[fair stump]

I find it has its own niche of games that the other two don't. Each console has pretty distinct flavors of games

[zenith orchid]

even on games that natively support widescreen?

[languid dune]

Yes.

That's the nature of anamorphic widescreen.

[zenith orchid]

Ah, so despite the increased FOV, its still the same resolution before it is stretched

[languid dune]

It just stretches all the pixels out to fill the screen. Which means less detail in everything. Including 3D visuals.

[zenith orchid]

I didn't really notice it that much, maybe because of the interpolation

[hollow rune]

Saturn - Arcade
N64 - Console 3D Action and Multiplayer
PSX - Console RPG
That seems to be the respective strengths. I think I need to go into Saturn games like I would when starting a game challenge or when playing an arcade game, but my brain isn't always ready for that when I think console

[zenith orchid]

N64 is really a party system

[hollow rune]

but it also was a scale and scope system. The other two cannot create the vast spaces found in B&K, Mario, Zelda and the others

[vapid hawk]

i think n64 has better fps games overall than psx

[fair stump]

When comparing them to one another I don't think people emphasize that enough

[hollow rune]

FFVII creates epic moments. Zelda Majora's Mask has epic spaces

both are valuable

I love FFVII

[zenith orchid]

Wild Arms was the first game I played on my PSX back in the day

[native mesa]

Great first one to play

[vapid hawk]

both consoles had unique strengths and that meant that they both have excellent but different games tailored to those strengths

it was a much more interesting time than todays console wars for sure lol

[native mesa]

Don't forget saturn

[vapid hawk]

also saturn was there 😛

[languid dune]

You can really see the difference in an example like Mario here:

[toxic pumice]

Saturn was what blew my mind, honestly

[languid dune]

The version on the right is the widescreen version.

[junior yarrow]

The Saturn had something no other console had

[toxic pumice]

What do you MEAN I can play Daytona USA, Sega Rally and VF2 at home on my console? Those are arcade machines!

[junior yarrow]

Mr Bones

[zenith orchid]

Oh wow. is this nearest neighbor?

[vapid hawk]

i never really played saturn until much later, post dreamcast, so i never really had too many wow moments with it

panzer dragoon is impressive tho

[hollow rune]

I mean, it is really hard to differentiate between what Xbox and Playstation are selling. What definies a Playstation game against an Xbox game?

[native mesa]

Widescreen would likely benefit from bilinear

[languid dune]

I just use Interpolation (Sharp)

[hollow rune]

These have been my favorite to play so far, and Nights

[junior yarrow]

I like burning rangers even if its pretty janky

[vapid hawk]

resident evil on saturn is good. but its good on everything 😄

[toxic pumice]

Nights was absolutely great

[junior yarrow]

I enjoy that whole generation where games didn't entirely work yet

[toxic pumice]

Burning Rangers is janky as hell but still very fun

[zenith orchid]

can you try CRT Simulation (S-Video)

[junior yarrow]

But dammit they were trying

[toxic pumice]

It was legitimately the most fun generation of consoles for me lol

[hollow rune]

to me Shadowgate 64 feels like a game that is trying something weird and it feels so unique. Like it feels of that time in so many ways

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I don't think the M on his hat can be fixed in widescreen

With PSX you can get true widescreen since all games use the same GTE, and its hackable. But most N64 games use unique RDP microcode

[prisma ivy]

A family of four? In this economy?

[junior yarrow]

Original Xbox games are something i want to look more into because i definitely have the least experience with them

[hollow rune]

Since I was like a baby panda during that time, I have zero connection

[toxic pumice]

I am lucky to have a moderately successful career and things just fell into place for us quite nicely over the last decade. 🙂

but still, cost of living. wew

[hollow rune]

My dad always says that Halo was like the lingua franca of multiplayer. Everyone played and knew how to play it and did play it

[prisma ivy]

What country?

[toxic pumice]

UK

[prisma ivy]

Ahh

[zenith orchid]

yeah that console seems to have the best port of games that were released on all consoles of that generation

[junior yarrow]

Generally yeah

[prisma ivy]

I suppose cost of living is just as bad over there as it is here in Canada

Its a good thing we have MiSTer. What a cost saver 😜

[toxic pumice]

lol

[zenith orchid]

Sometimes GC has better color clarity and color depth, but less rendering distance

[hollow rune]

We have MiSTer and Switch and our Switch buying went way down since MiSTer

[toxic pumice]

I have very strong opinions on the subject that have no place in an N64 core channel. 😛

[prisma ivy]

Such value. Much cores

[hollow rune]

But Mario Wonder is out on Friday!

[toxic pumice]

almost like my strong opinions on Master difficulty F-Zero X because EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

this is just silly

[prisma ivy]

I must admit I have never played ANY F Zero game

[zenith orchid]

I think in master difficulty you really gotta use risky stunts to skip parts of some of the tracks

[toxic pumice]

The original is one of my favourite racing games of all time, fully completed the snes version on master

this is on another level

[zenith orchid]

SNES version it seemed kinda cheap to jump over large sections of the track. It seems later games embraced that

[zenith orchid]

Yeah so it seems with CRT simulation, the difference is not as noticeable, but still there

[languid dune]

Will always pretty much be the same results. Filters just make it a bit less noticeable by blurring the image.

[junior yarrow]

I'm not really a huge fan of the SNES game but X and GX are pretty fun

Now go and beat FZero GX on the hardest difficulty

[zenith orchid]

maybe that's why it seemed like a worthwhile tradeoff for games that natively supported it. On CRTs you would really have to look to see the difference

[languid dune]

Already did that only 5 days after the game launched!

[toxic pumice]

I couldn't even imagine

[zenith orchid]

lol did you sleep at all?

[toxic pumice]

GX is beyond my skill level by a very large margin

[languid dune]

I did! I'm just that good!

I was absolutely obsessed with the game though.

It's my favorite racing game of all time.

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/sunglasses-boss-kid-chubbyboy-serious-gif-12535065

[junior yarrow]

Alternatively you can bring your memory card to the nearest Fzero AX arcade machine you totally have nearby

[vapid hawk]

is there a build of mister-main i should grab to check out all the dual-stick stuff? or is it still being worked on

[zenith orchid]

Heh, I bet F-Zero X skills were transferable

[languid dune]

To a point yeah.

GX does still feel quite a bit different though.

[zenith orchid]

I really like the feel of X, haven't gotten used to GX

[vapid hawk]

GX is tough, maybe the hardest racer i've ever played

[toxic pumice]

easily the hardest i've played

[hollow rune]

The story mode is impossible. I can't beat the second stage

[vapid hawk]

i think i got to like, stage 4 or something

like, using guides and incredible amounts of practice, and luck

[zenith orchid]

Were you guys pretty good at X?

[vapid hawk]

no, GX is the first one i played really

[zenith orchid]

That might be why

[vapid hawk]

possibly yeah

[prisma ivy]

Should my first F Zero experience be in the next 10 minutes on this N64 core?

[chilly ember]

I suck at f zero but I hardly ever played it. Wasn't a game I had in the past so don't have much experience with it

[languid dune]

But I did it on the hardest difficult setting! (continues to not so stealth brag)

[zenith orchid]

it is the first 3d F-Zero, I say hell yes! 👍

[vapid hawk]

fzeroX is a good one to start

[prisma ivy]

I shall give it the ol college try

[vapid hawk]

the thing it doesn't really tell you anywhere is like, tap A round tight turns

[languid dune]

I think it's worth trying out the SNES game first just to see the series' humble beginnings as a tech demo. Then F-Zero X will blow your mind afterwards.

[prisma ivy]

I hope it doesn't give me motion sickness hah. Guh I really need to train my body for that

[vapid hawk]

if you're especially motion sickness sensitive, it definitely could. 60 fps, and a lot of upside-down, loop-de-loops etc

[zenith orchid]

You probably won't get far in GP mode, but it's worth a try. then I would say do practice mode, and try to beat your record lap a few times before moving on to the next track. When you feel confident to give GP another try, go for it 👍

[languid dune]

Just keep that barf bag handy and you'll be allll good!

[toxic pumice]

I find the rapid-fire side shifting a great technique

instead of using the airbrakes, just keep smashing that trigger to take the turn

[zenith orchid]

And don't forget to use the trigger buttons to help with the sharp turns

[vapid hawk]

yeah but side-shifting takes a lot more coordination

[languid dune]

In all seriousness, I don't think it'll be a problem. At least for me, first-person shooters and some VR games are the only types of games that have ever given me motion sickness.

[vapid hawk]

i've not had motion sickness in vr for a while now, i think i've got used to it entirely

[languid dune]

Yeah, side-shifting is a more advanced technique. I recommend newcomers to mostly stick to the basics before getting too far into stuff like that.

[toxic pumice]

Get. In. The. BIN.

One down, 3 to go

[prisma ivy]

Its mostly FPS that makes me motion sick but for some odd reason Vectorman does it too?

[zenith orchid]

I think big blue is the first track that really requires it

[native mesa]

forest temple may be the coolest temple

[chilly ember]

It's the last temple before they get kinda confusing

[hollow rune]

I just finished that one. I like that the March sisters show up

[prisma ivy]

Okay. Update all done and fzero FTP'd over lets gooo

Also put Jeopardy there

Wow this soundtrack is rockin

[chrome quest]

Easiest method to cover all sorts of mods is use the latest unstable MiSTer, and use the "new" database file (which must be renamed to "N64-database.txt");
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt
That way you don't need to manually add the hash to your database file for each mod (which you could do if you don't want unstable MiSTer, but the new database is far more convenient IMO)

[prisma ivy]

When you're practicing a race is it supposed to just loop endlessly

[cerulean elk]

Wait is this newer than the stock vampier one?

[prisma ivy]

Also just a few minutes of this and I can feel it making me sick haha. I need to just play a minute or two each day to build my tolerance

[zenith orchid]

yeah, you're just trying to beat your record lap

[chrome quest]

I believe so. You need unstable MiSTer, unless the Vampier guide is updated to suggest using it. Not grabbed by update_all for that reason too (yet). Just need a new release of MiSTer and the "new" format is intended to replace the old if I understood chat earlier about the topic

[cerulean elk]

I’ve been busy the last 24 hours so I must have missed this

[chrome quest]

Works by game ID, so avoids needing individual hash values for say randomisers

[cerulean elk]

Ahh I see. I’ll get to it eventually then. Doesn’t do anything to effect retail stuff it seems

[chrome quest]

Don't think so

[cerulean elk]

Busy last day and I haven’t kept up as much as I’d like

[toxic pumice]

2 to go

I understand this better now

[zenith orchid]

@prisma ivy The way I approach it is I first practice navigating the track comfortably without colliding. second I try to hit the most boosters on the track consistently. then finally I maximize use of the booster power while also hitting all the booster pads on the track

[rose crypt]

that latency part in the new unstable - does that apply to any controller for n64?? if so huge

[broken cradle]

Woah they fixed the text in wrestling games?

[prisma ivy]

Oh awesome

[cerulean elk]

Nice. Hadn’t seen that one yet

[fair stump]

THPS textures still going buck wild

Any cpu level changes are gonna get a full sweep from here on out 😆

[broken cradle]

false alarm lol

wrestlemania 2000 still has no text

WCW-NWO Revenge is the one that had text and im guessing it always had

[prisma ivy]

This is my fave wrestling game so far

[broken cradle]

revenge was a great game

[true briar]

Hey guys. This may have been covered before, but is there a patch for Super Mario 64 that patches for TLB and widescreen at the same time?

[broken cradle]

i want wrestlemania 2000 text to be fixed because i think it was the last wrestling game on the n64 so it had the most features

[prisma ivy]

AS GOD AS MY WITNESS THE TEXT IS GONE. BAH GAWD

[broken cradle]

like weapons under ring and crowd, more options to customize a wrestler and better story

[prisma ivy]

Neat

[broken cradle]

idk about widescreen but i did just play a little of it and selected fullscreen which is like a widescreen patch

but as far as the no face skip check pinned comment for vampire website it has the patch

https://vampier.net/N64/

[prisma ivy]

I would love to play a four player wrestling game with any of you

MiSTer worldwide meet up when

[broken cradle]

lol

it was some of the most fun having 4 player wcw matches at my friends house

[true briar]

Yep have the No Face patch working from Vampier site. Thought there may be a patch for widescreen with TLB as well. 👍

[broken cradle]

i used to pick one of the luchador's because they just flipped around and did so many cool tricks lol

[prisma ivy]

Saaaame. So so many good memories

[broken cradle]

felt less hectic than say smash bros idk

[prisma ivy]

Yup

I never did get into Smash

[broken cradle]

i liked it as a kid but only ever played the 64 one, didnt own a gc or a wii(u) for the others

i dont mind it for 1v1 play but 4 players its sooooo much to keep track of with all the chaos lol

[broken cradle]

Last weekend had to show my friends how it's done

After that day 1 bought his mister the other is waiting cus I have potentially a 2nd one

[fair stump]

Hey so the freeze at the end of Dual Heroes was fixed so I could beat the game 😆

All I had to do was mash A for 10 minutes

To beat the story mode, not get past a freeze

[broken cradle]

lol

[zinc dew]

Damnit I was going to make that joke but you beat me

[broken cradle]

listen if it works it works

[fair stump]

My wrists

[toxic pumice]

It's over.

we're done, time to play something else. 😄

[broken cradle]

i know not n64 related but i played panzer just now and my hand hurts after the first stage, might have to use a fight stick to play that so i can rapid fire

[fair stump]

Mark that as 100% completable

[fair stump]

Do you have editing access to the test sheet or would you like me to update it?

[toxic pumice]

I don't have editing access, you can update!

[chilly ember]

Nice to see some of those harder games getting completed

[fair stump]

Anyone try emulators on the n64 recently?

[chilly ember]

Not I, I've been trying to only focus on the official released games

[toxic pumice]

Someone earlier mentioned that there was a MAME 64 version that was now working?

#1096015979055697940 message - Games now selectable but no sound

[wispy walrus]

is transfer pak support in this or no

[toxic pumice]

I asked the same question earlier, doesn't look like it though:

[chilly ember]

Not in yet

Robert has plans for it

Eventually

[vapid moat]

F-Zero X on PAL is giving me dot crawl for on YC-build

Don't think it was there before

[toxic pumice]

So - I have two files which won't save, being the Perfect Dark TLB patched rom and the Sin and Punishment translated rom, will the database file on the github fix this problem? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt

[wispy walrus]

ah ok

god translations remind me, there was one for custom robo V2 that ended up abandoned

wish someone would pick that up

[chilly ember]

It's not finished?

I always assumed it was

[wispy walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/customrobo/comments/y1mg8b/star_trinket_translations_custom_robo_v2_patch/

[junior yarrow]

the translation patch for the first custom robo is finished

not v2

[chilly ember]

Oh that's sad

Ok that's where I was confused then

[wispy walrus]

I wish someone would translate it because I can't read enough JP to progress

[toxic pumice]

answering my own question here but yes it does

[junior yarrow]

there is walkthrough for the game on gamefaqs

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/n64/374873-custom-robo-v2/faqs/69610

it doesnt translate the dialogue but does give a general summary of what people are talking about

i've wanted to play through V2 on the mister for potential multiplayer stuff in the future anyway, so i might do that soon...

[chilly ember]

Oh cool the skybox is showing in Spider Man now

[fair stump]

Oh snap

Buildings finally look correct too

[vapid hawk]

is that spiderman good?

[chilly ember]

It's better on Ps1 but yea it's decent

Has the fmv's in Ps1 version, N64 version gets comic book pages

That's the only difference though

As far as I know

[vapid hawk]

ps1 version support dualshock?

[chilly ember]

Yes it does

[junior yarrow]

I just remembered my favorite line in any GameFAQ

comparing the PS1 and N64 versions of Megaman Legends

"6.Capcom takes advantage of the N64's extra graphical beef by adding Anti-Aliasing to the graphics. This makes everything smooth, so the visuals are no longer pixellated and everything looks far less jagged. The game looks about 30% more realistic than the PS1 version."

i love that realisic is a quantifiable metric

[polar steeple]

the n64 version also doesn't have What If mode I think

[chilly ember]

Oh yea I forgot about that. Probably not

[quasi storm]

Hey! No more flicker flicker in Duke Nukem, and no missing letters.

[solemn marlin]

I have no database file or anything, but I start an unpatched version of pd before starting the tlb one, that makes the save work for me

*I haven't added anything to the database file

I don't even set the memory pack, not sure how the save works tbh

[chilly ember]

Still some missing textures in spiderman, like these switches and the question mark

[chilly ember]

You can save to controller Pak but it's not needed, cart uses eeprom and it allows for 4 save slots

Assuming you mean controller pak

[solemn marlin]

Yea that's it, guess they're called cpaks

[broken cradle]

You know what makes n64 versions of games better than ps1? Loading times lol

Thps on ps1 takes ages to get into compared to the n64

[orchid nimbus]

No - too many different versions out there

But read the part about the custom database

[toxic pumice]

The new database txt file fixed saving on sin and punishment

[weary beacon]

seek ahead helps but you're right. Loading time = less time enjoying.

[chilly ember]

Oh i guess this can happen too where all the textures get messed up in spider man

[toxic pumice]

It sorted my problem out perfectly fine, it's retaining the cpak now

[chilly ember]

something to do with those monitors

[zenith orchid]

F-Zero on PAL? I hope it's PAL60

[compact depot]

Is Wipeout 64 supposed to freeze eventually at the beginning?

[zinc dew]

any other games beyond Mario 64, Perfect Dark, and Banjo Tooie require a patch to work?

[zenith orchid]

I don't think any are supposed to freeze tbh 😄

[zenith orchid]

I think that's it, if we're not counting Japanese games that require comprehension.

[chilly ember]

I don't think so, the everdrive jet force gemini patch doesn't do anything more than unpatched at the moment

Which is that they both don't get in game lol

[verbal cedar]

Can anyone confirm that there’s a bug (likely with dither) that makes a repeated pattern in things like the sky box?

Even with dedither on, I can see it slightly. It looks just like the bug you get in a convolutional filter logic design when somethings off (repeating pattern every n pixels where n is likely the size of the window). Is that what the actual N64 had?

It’s most obvious right at the end credits in Mario 64 when the screen fades to the end picture of the cake.

[weary palm]

Take a screenshot. Win + prtscr

[verbal cedar]

Ah I only have a controller hooked up to it

[weary palm]

I don't think what you're hinting at is a bug

[verbal cedar]

It was like that even on hardware…?

I might take out my n64 and check

[compact depot]

Got a single freeze on the opening screen that says at the bottom the sound track name that is playing. Can’t reproduce it anymore

[verbal cedar]

It does look like it’s not there on OOT

[thorn flax]

random thinky. do y'all think the rr64 tail light issue is the same rendering issues seen in doom64?

[verbal cedar]

Okay found an easier one to replicate, on OOT title screen after the short video plays of the greudo and it fades back to the normal epona galloping, the sky makes the pattern.

In line with the same thing I’m seeing in sm64

[zinc dew]

thank you @zenith orchid and @chilly ember

[weary palm]

Dedither can't completely remove all dithering. You can see some patterns on real hardware too, especially if you're using anything better than composite.

[elder glade]

I just want to say that Wetrix is a fun videogame.

[zinc dew]

[toxic pumice]

Rainbow multiplier!

I love Wetrix so much but I suck at it

[weary palm]

Here's from an RGB modded N64:

Dithering patterns are quite visible

[vapid moat]

At least we have an option to remove it

[drowsy lantern]

Sorry I’m late: is something up with the latest build? Some games like Banjo-Kazooie now have a thick black border around them

[orchid nimbus]

Has nothing to do with that

[toxic pumice]

It was the only file I've changed, and that seems to have been the difference between it not saving the cpak and it saving the cpak, but understood

[orchid nimbus]

The new method uses product codes

But you need the unstable mister main

[toxic pumice]

Yee, which I have

Updated it as soon as I saw it had n64 improvements

[weary palm]

Patched PD works too with unstable + N64-database_new

[toxic pumice]

Have also noticed, i've been playing it. 🙂

things move very quickly with this. It's ridiculous.

[orchid nimbus]

ok you can save the new database over the old database (keep the name of the old database)

but keep in mind that the new database will be overwritten by update_all.sh if there is a new regular database update

[zenith orchid]

the game simply doesn't use dedither at all. I generally turn off dithering with that game, as it doesn't seem to suffer from color banding

[odd vector]

Did someone else also notice, that on a CRT there is some issues with the picture? I noticed it in the Intro of Diddy Kong Racing that the blue sky when the picture is fading looks like a stain is there for a short time.
I have to check against real HW to confirm that if needed

[rose crypt]

might be a placebo but latency feels a bit better with the NSO controller on the new build

[lament escarp]

As far as I understood analog out is a bandaid solution right now.

[daring meteor]

If its mister unstable it should be slightly worse

[spark granite]

https://ultimatemister.com/product/ultimate-daemon-x2-n64-gamecube/

these are available now

was thinking of getting one but then realised I'd also need to buy adapters for both N64 and GC. It makes it a bit pricey for mine. I'll probably just stick with my 2 NSO controillers, which cost about the same as that adapter + cables 😄

[rose crypt]

lol oh

[daring meteor]

I just hope its very slight

[coral timber]

I’m just using a raphnet adapter, always been reliable for me for years already now

Best thing I have on me until SNAC support at least

[thorn flax]

has anyone looked to see if the port/patch/hack/thing of the DD F-Zero X Expansion Kit boots or anything?

or any of the n64dd to cartridge hacks tbf

[thorn flax]

they are in the txt database but no sign of life from the core

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, been checking fzero expansion kit and densha de go english each new core

Nothing yet

[solemn marlin]

Is the d-pad working?

For stuff like mischief makers, I can't map it

[weary palm]

@wanton sun The seed value is wrong here: https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/blob/0d88a39327973203eb4ef76c63e483dd460c7687/rtl/PIF.vhd#L329C21-L329C21

It should be 0xDD

[simple olive]

when CIC_TYPE_5167 => cic_seed <= x"3F"; cic_version <= '0'; cic_type <= '0';

[cloud peak]

@weary palm Whats the difference?

And which one to use?

[weary palm]

The "new" one only works with unstable MiSTer main.

But it's preferable, as it has better compatibility.

[cloud peak]

Ok sure

Thanks

[weary palm]

You need to rename it

[chrome quest]

Is there a channel here that posts if MiSTer main is updated? Just to know when I can go back to update_all

[mortal panther]

It should be announced in the #news channel.

[solemn marlin]

Oh no wait, the first four mappings are asking for the d-pad, nvm

[wanton sun]

good find

i wasn't aware what games even use it

[weary palm]

Fzero X expansion hacks I think

[thorn flax]

beat me to it

some of the other dd to cartridge conversions too. according to the database. txt

[wanton sun]

it's all 64DD conversions?

[daring meteor]

Densha De Go translation maybe

[wanton sun]

anyway, will be in the next build, then you can test if they work

i don't have any 64dd stuff

[daring meteor]

64ddg

[thorn flax]

if you like F-Zero, you'll love it with additional stereo sound

ooh, we could make and share tracks on here

just imagine the tolling robby could get upto

[wanton sun]

it's ok, i have done a few races on to core to try it, but i don't feel the need for even more 🙂

but i see that it's one of the few reasons for supporting DD conversions at least

[thorn flax]

exactly. Doshin is more a curiosity than a game. the photo studio stuff too

[wind helm]

it would be nice to be able to launch these, too, highly intriguing

[wanton sun]

maybe the cic seed already is enough? don't know if yxkalle already tried

[toxic pumice]

wait

I just finished f-zero x master and we're now potentially getting a build that supports the expansion pack? am I reading this correctly?

[weary palm]

It supports DD conversions by Zoinkity https://www.romhacking.net/community/803/

[thorn flax]

looks like some of the dd mario paint programs use a standard cic but they also e0000040

again, suuuper low priority. just looking at them in curiosity

I'm guessing the conversions are so big because they incorporate all the sound fonts that were originally offloaded into some form of storage chip in the dd.

[wanton sun]

but they stay inside the 64mbyte? otherwise they probably will not work currently

[thorn flax]

yeah, all come in at 64mb

designed for original hardware with an appropriate Everdrive

[dusty tusk]

Fzero X in stereo is reason enough to try the DD conversion, sounds fantastic

[toxic pumice]

Well that sounds absolutely bloody perfect, that's excellent news!

Track / machine creator and everything all intact?

I had absolutely no idea a conversion hack was even a thing

[thorn flax]

yep n64dd org is your friend. look on the translation tab

[toxic pumice]

grabbed it - now the painful wait until i'm home.

(and a supporting build)

[thorn flax]

worth remembering it's file name will likely not be the same as the database.txt file, so changing that will likely save you a headache when the time comes

[toxic pumice]

appreciate the heads up on that - I'll definitely keep that in mind.

[solemn marlin]

Woa there's even sim city 64

[toxic pumice]

awesome community, i love you lot.

[thorn flax]

sadly it's only a partial translation, basically the intro and menus

[solemn marlin]

I see, still pretty cool, had no idea

[thorn flax]

heck yeah

so my niece came round yesterday. and i helped her to play some games, 1st time in her life so I wanted it to count.

the 1st one she ever saw was tho was Zelda running on this n64 core.

kinda hit me that, damn, she'll be one of the only gen alpha kids with a nostalgic memory of the Ocarina music

[native mesa]

Eh. I'm sure Nintendo will put out anither remaster at some point

[thorn flax]

and the 1st one she played was Tekken 3. So Mr. fpgazumspass was instrumental, foundational even, in her hobby as a gamer

[solemn marlin]

My sister's kids kept asking for banjo kazooie when they visited even tho they have a switch, the kids crave 64

[thorn flax]

they yearn for the low poly aesthetic

suppose it's the only thing that is both quality and looks kid friendly

[daring meteor]

Cic5105

5101

[native mesa]

Conkers bad fur day looks kid friendly

[solemn marlin]

No they really liked mario 64 as well, they got delighted when the bird took his hat

[kind solar]

tbf so did i

[daring meteor]

@wanton sun cic 5101 is missing?

Needs seed "AC"

[weary palm]

What do you mean by this?

[weary palm]

That's Aleck64, right

[thorn flax]

so you don't get a black screen from the game loading without cic and save type data

[native mesa]

I'd like to try some Aleck 64 and DD games

[weary palm]

Ah, you're talking about the file name of the database file.

[thorn flax]

of the game rom matching that list yes

[weary palm]

It doesn't work like that. Everything after the '#' for each row are just comments.

[thorn flax]

is it looking at some md5 hash?

[weary palm]

Yes, md5 hash and in the newer format hash + product id found in the header.

[drowsy lantern]

Did something change in the latest build? Banjo-Kazooie now has a thick black border around it which other games don't have. (playing on HDMI)

[hollow rune]

Maybe it has something to do with
VI: shift image right by VI_H_VIDEO_START (e.g. Banjo Kazooie)
but not sure

I honestly don't remember what it looked like befoe but it definitely takes less space than OoT

[native mesa]

Some mike S CRT changes, yea

[hollow rune]

That's right perople were talking about that

[native mesa]

I'm not super familiar with sync vs async, but I don't think this is the finalized video output.

[daring meteor]

Good news

F Zero too

[weary palm]

What did you do? Fix 5167 seed?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[prisma ivy]

CHOO CHOOOOOOOOO 🤬 🤬

[daring meteor]

I was also testing 5101, will report in like 2 minutes

5151?

[thorn flax]

thought I'd get the 100 coins on bobomb battlefield. get the 100th coin, land next to the chain chomp he proceeds to utterly destroy me, combined with fall damage I lose a life and fail to get the star.

[weary palm]

It happens

Try to make the 100th coin one on the ground

[inner plume]

My favorite is getting the 100th coin shooting from the cannon on the island into the coin rings, but when you land you hit the 8 red coin star

[desert crow]

Robby the conductor will be happy

[daring meteor]

Not much luck in aleck

I think they need another seed 00

[thorn flax]

they all seem to be missing some 2d render mode

the ones that boot anyway

[cerulean elk]

english patch?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[cerulean elk]

nice. So that works now @daring meteor ?

last I tried it froze

[quaint pewter]

I choo choo choose this version to try. Yay.

[cerulean elk]

Ralph is that you

[wanton sun]

where do you get these strange numbers from? ares doesn't knows them

[hot spoke]

You seem to like classic Simpsons. Let's bee friends 🐝

[quaint pewter]

I'm in danger. LOL

[daring meteor]

Aleck64

[daring meteor]

5101 is aleck

[wanton sun]

yes i found that on the n64brew

but it has no info about the init values

mister main and osd will also need to be updated to support it

[weary palm]

0xac is seed for cic5101

[daring meteor]

Did kurukuru fever work before?

WAIT

THE MUSIC

[quaint pewter]

I thought it was only Star Soldier and Tower&Shaft that worked?

But I'm way out of date on aleck testing

[daring meteor]

Kurukuru has broken graphics for me

Is it an improvement on official build?

[wanton sun]

does you source mention which cic version and type?

it determines the second init value

[weary palm]

Mupen64 source code for reference https://github.com/mupen64plus/mupen64plus-core/blob/ae752c2b40889be4a51d59f0d9ea9651321be76b/src/device/pif/cic.c#L42

[simple olive]

{ "5101", CIC_5101, 0xac },

[wanton sun]

it seems mupen doesn't care for the second init value...

so default value from 6102 should be fine

[daring meteor]

Well

If ac improved kurukuru

[wanton sun]

it wasn't booting before?

[daring meteor]

I don't know

There's multiple patches

Huh

[cerulean elk]

I haven’t tried any Aleck64 games in forever

[brisk drum]

So any 64DD game can be converted to cart ?

[daring meteor]

I think this only matters for zoinkitty's patches

[brisk drum]

Hope we can play some Mario artist!

[cerulean elk]

You technically can already

I had a capture but it was so boring I just never showed it

[brisk drum]

I didn’t know that bro, gonna have to look into it further

I’m sure my kids and I will get some fun out of it

[cerulean elk]

It had some glitches and obv wasn’t fun. Once something like Doshin works I’ll show it

It’s a bummer but if I show a really boring game in the video then look at when people stop watching the video…it’s always then. Hence jeopardy getting the norm Macdonald treatment

[brisk drum]

#1096015979055697940 message

[brisk drum]

Simple minded people bro ..

[cerulean elk]

Haha I mean it let me use Norm so I can’t complain today

[brisk drum]

Just add some wacky sound effects whenever you show a boring game

[zealous hull]

That's why you gotta do stuff like Subway Surfer gameplay off to the side for the entire video.

[solemn marlin]

Finally I'll be able to collect fare in f-zero

[zealous hull]

Keep that engagement up!

[brisk drum]

No, start taking about politics

[weary palm]

// CIC seeds and status bits passed from PIF to IPL through PIF RAM // Bits | Description // 00080000 | ROM type (0 = Game Pack, 1 = DD) // 00040000 | Version // 00020000 | Reset Type (0 = cold reset, 1 = NMI) // 0000FF00 | CIC IPL3 seed value // 000000FF | CIC IPL2 seed value #define CIC_SEED_NUS_5101 0x0000AC00U #define CIC_SEED_NUS_6101 0x00043F3FU #define CIC_SEED_NUS_6102 0x00003F3FU #define CIC_SEED_NUS_6103 0x0000783FU #define CIC_SEED_NUS_6105 0x0000913FU #define CIC_SEED_NUS_6106 0x0000853FU #define CIC_SEED_NUS_8303 0x0000DD00U
0xAC and... 0x00?

Source: https://github.com/n64dev/cen64/blob/master/si/cic.c

[marble cargo]

One of the cooler aspects of Mario Artist: Paint Studio is that it has multiplayer, so you can grab some friends and dick around with the art tools.

[zealous hull]

forget what I said, this is funnier

[brisk drum]

Nahh bro .. wacky sound effects is the way to go

[brisk drum]

Wese a gonna need a mouse support

I just went full jar jar

[solemn marlin]

Not gonna tell you what to do but the dual stick option is pretty cool to talk about, the fact that the original games (pe, gd) could be played with two controllers and that it now means you can play old games like modern shooters, kind of like the vi options allows you to experience the visuals in a new way

[cerulean elk]

“You know what I hate? What you hate! And you know what I love? What you love!”

[cerulean elk]

I’ll talk about it eventually

[brisk drum]

Perfect ! Cut and print!

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got a list of all sorts of ideas @solemn marlin and I work through them

[brisk drum]

Oooooo! I have an idea!

[weary palm]

There are freecam hacks for sm64 that lets you control the camera with the second controller

[brisk drum]

Nvm my idea .. it was bad

[solemn marlin]

Cool! That freehack sounds interesting, would def do another playthrough if it felt good

[cerulean elk]

Side note : we are 2229 subs away from that 30K Brian 64 video lol

[verbal cedar]

Not sure if it’s already reported, but sm64 with face patch, I got 120 stars and only one crash the whole time (audio went out of sync then shortly after a crash, it was in the first bowser level)

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/7yjF0rLc4EU?si=onro9o64qI82YvcF

[wanton sun]

was that crash with a recent version?

[verbal cedar]

No it was right when sm64 was playable without crashing on first level. Whatever version that was

[wanton sun]

ah ok, because the update from 13th october might have fixed that case

so i was curious if there are still crashes after that

[verbal cedar]

Ah well then there’s a good chance sm64 is bug free once the face is added

[daring meteor]

Inb4 someone patches Goddard

[verbal cedar]

But anyone wanting to play now, the face patch makes a fine experience. Just save after every level just in case

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got like 42 stars on SM64. I’ve yet to encounter a single issue

[verbal cedar]

Tiktok clock, and big little land haunt me ngl

[wanton sun]

i'm at 76 or so now, but lost motivation to do 120

[verbal cedar]

I don’t blame you

[cerulean elk]

120 is never that fun. Neither is collecting everything in Banjo or DK

That was fun as a kid when stuff like laundry and dishes didn’t exist 😂

[verbal cedar]

I did like 7 tries at 100 coins in tiktok clock. Ruins the games momentum and flow. Much more fun to get the normal stars and dip

[cyan pilot]

As a kid when you can't afford a big enough game library you gotta squeeze every bit of content out

[verbal cedar]

DK is another level of not fun

Repeat the same game 5 times to collect the bananas 😭

[weary palm]

Must be something wrong with me. I love collecting everything. (Not 600 koroks in BotW, though. Jeez)

[cerulean elk]

DK is fun in spite of itself. The collecting gets old. But as a kid I loved it

[verbal cedar]

As a kid I found it too hard, as an adult I find it too long 😭

But I want to play it again anyways

[weary palm]

The harder stages of "Beaver Bother" are not fun.

[wanton sun]

so some aleck games boot with 5101, but seem to end in a test menu that cannot be controlled

[weary palm]

And "Big Bug Bash". It's too unpredictable.

[cerulean elk]

You’d probably have to string together inputs on JAMMA

Test/service/up/down

[mild ether]

Is this why the patched Aleck 64 games aren't working on the core? 5101 not being supported. I haven't really taken a close look at the work Zoinkity did to make them work.

[wanton sun]

the question is what the conversion expects there

obviously no jamma if they can be started on everdrive

[cerulean elk]

Did someone modify the rom to transpose JAMMA inputs to buttons? I really haven’t tried much anything Aleck64

[weary palm]

Must be dip switches

[mild ether]

Zoinkity did.

[weary palm]

Arcade games have test modes

[cerulean elk]

Ahh I see. Good to know

[mild ether]

I mean I could probably figure out how to stop the test menu from being loaded but it won't matter if the patch Zoinkity did to make the controls work doesn't work.

[daring meteor]

It might work actually

Gimme 5 minutes to get the patches and I'll verify

[wanton sun]

now that's a target, 5 minutes

all i could do in this time would be to modify some random bits in the rom and hope it helps, haha

[mild ether]

I will compare the unpatched to the patched rom disassembly if Kasher doesn't get it working. See what he all did.

[daring meteor]

Unfourtenatly the patches are exe

Anyone can help with that

[daring meteor]

I have a build with the AC CIC in, that's why

[desert crow]

that was from a collection of readmes for aleck hacks

[mild ether]

Nice!

[wanton sun]

i also have a build that allows to select 5101, but still stuck to those screens

no buttons does anything. But could be also a bug in the core

[daring meteor]

What game is this?

[wanton sun]

Mayjinsen

[daring meteor]

One of the games I tried was showing 4 buttons held down

The soccer one(?)

[desert crow]

I'm guessing either the test mode in the dip switches is wrong or the test button is held there.

[wanton sun]

yes

this is with no button pressed

1P buttons work fine in this screen

but i cannot change the coin1...test inputs

[weary palm]

Should all dips really be "on"?

[mild ether]

Not typically on arcade boards.

[cerulean elk]

Is it going high or low on real hardware?

Perhaps it’s a circuit opposite to what the core is doing

[weary palm]

Switch 2/8 turns test mode on.

[cerulean elk]

Most likely no

[wanton sun]

no sure what is wrong. in project64 eleven beat works and doesn't get to this menu

ares and cen cannot boot it

[solemn marlin]

What's this? Will a patch come out of this or is it part of some decompilation project?

[wanton sun]

in my emulator it also works, so it's a core bug somehow

[cerulean elk]

I only have tower and shaft but if you want me to look at anything in OG hardware lmk. But I believe tower and shaft already works so dunno what if any useful info I could provide

[mild ether]

You can also alter the DIP settings at ROM offset 0xC00.

That is s from Vivid Dolls documentation.

[weary palm]

11beat uses tlb

[mild ether]

These notes are great.

[weary palm]

It's a performance hack.

[mild ether]

ahh, vivid dolls uses TLB as well.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve never seen this much talk about Aleck64 ever lol

[mild ether]

I might have mentioned a Aleck 64 game a time or two. 😄

I would really like these games to work those so I can have them on MiSTer regardless if they aren't the best. They are fairly rare.

[cerulean elk]

Oh I agree. They are a fun instance of N64 hardware randomness

Can’t say it’s an epic library compared to STV or all the PS1 derivatives but it’s fun all the same

[mild ether]

Man do I hope srg does STV after he finishes the Saturn core. That would really make MiSTer an undeniable piece for a arcade collection.

[orchid nimbus]

what is STV?

[thorn flax]

Saturn arcade version

[weary palm]

VIVID DOLLS

[mild ether]

https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=711

[cerulean elk]

Sega Titan Video Game System. Saturn with carts not discs basically

[mild ether]

STV hardware link.

Would add a heap of Arcade games to MiSTer if it gets a core.

[thorn flax]

do you remember hearing anything about stv having better/less imput lag over the Saturn ports?

I think electric underground may have mentioned something on this recently

[zinc dew]

@desert crow hey friend! Do I have your latest N64 SNAC build linked?

[solemn marlin]

It's the first one that works for me on the mister, love seeing it, had a random crash tho

[zinc dew]

#1096015979055697940 message

[solemn marlin]

Fill my veins with high framerate n64

[desert crow]

yeah think so, I think haven't uploaded any 64 builds in a week or so. I've been trying to rework some things.

[cerulean elk]

No nothing at all. I can’t imagine it would. It’s literally the same hardware minus a cart and a JAMMA edge. Maybe some of the video circuitry could reduce latency but 🤷🏻‍♂️ you’d need some imperial data on latency tests to really know

[topaz otter]

what is this game and why does it beat Q*st 64 in so many top ten N64 game lists

[native mesa]

Is 64 DD a real bra size?

[vapid hawk]

it might be technically on the scale

i doubt anyone makes it tho

[topaz otter]

pam anderson was only 34dd

but nintendo hardware engineers can dream 🙂

[toxic pumice]

inb4 F-Zero X expansion support allows you to play with the two DD cups

[topaz otter]

lets steer this ship back to port before we all get

[vapid hawk]

the number is the band-size anyway, 64dd wouldn't be especially... appealing

[mild ether]

That would be one large girl.

[inner bronze]

Yo, Analogue N64

Da fek

[zealous hull]

Yeah, just saw that.

[topaz otter]

btw whatever happened to tim the enchanter

this lewd conversation just reminded me of him for some reason

[vapid hawk]

i like how analogs best hope in life is to do what Robert does but like, 2 years later lol

[native mesa]

Is analogue just jacking Roberts open source verilog?

[zealous hull]

I honestly doubt it. The timing is pretty wild though.

[vapid hawk]

claiming a 4k scaler, spicy

[zealous hull]

Robert's core will always have my heart. Open-Source forever. ❤️

[native mesa]

I wonder if it will support openfpga

[zealous hull]

I believe it says it won't.

[carmine kettle]

analogue n64

[zealous hull]

First footnote at the bottom of the page.

[native mesa]

They do be making those poor decisions

[zealous hull]

Not supported.

[carmine kettle]

n64 500 price point

[mild ether]

That is suspicious timing.

[zealous hull]

To be fair, N64 was the next logical step in FPGA development for them anyway.

pun not intended

[native mesa]

Maybe Robert convinced them it was possible

On affordable fpgas

[vapid hawk]

isn't it more likely based on that other n64 core that was around

[mild ether]

I recall Kevtris kinda nixing the idea of a N64 FPGA implementation many years ago as too difficult and time consuming. I wonder why he changed his mind.

[vapid hawk]

i think it was by the same guy who ported neogeo to pocket, forget his name

[zealous hull]

Are we certain this is Kevtris? I mean, I don't know who else it could be.

[vapid hawk]

https://www.ultrafp64.com/

this one

[mild ether]

I don't know, I am just guessing because he is the Analogue guy.

[zealous hull]

Oh yeah, I remember watching their YouTube testing vids. Wild that they're pretty much done. Cool.

Well, cool. It's nice to have options.

[vapid hawk]

yeah sounds neat for the original carts crowd

[zealous hull]

But imo nothing can really replace this core for me.

I've been too invested for too long, and Robert is amazing.

[mild ether]

Wow, I didn't realize that was as far along as it is.

[heady mason]

Analogue announced an N64 console to be released in 2024... I somewhat doubt they made their own N64 core just after this one got released, or at least pretty public... anyone know about it? Is Robert in on that? Because otherwise I suspect they might be using his open source code

[inner bronze]

Im guessing they bought up Ultra FP64

[zealous hull]

Please read the last several messages. Haha

[vapid hawk]

it could also just be there own core, they've had years to work on it

[mild ether]

It very well could be Ultra FP64 I guess.

[vapid hawk]

its not like they're busy actually updating the pocket

[inner bronze]

/doubt

Or releasing the Analogue Duo

HMMM

[mild ether]

Good for them, I hope it's successful and gets more people into FPGA.

[vapid hawk]

its interesting that it says it doesn't support "Open FPGA2"

what is open fpga2?

[heady mason]

or anything they have released... but overall I have not seen them do anything innovative with FPGAs other than add cartridge support, which is nice... but them having an N64 core on the way now just seems... suspicious with its timing

[kind solar]

i spy an 8bitdo n64 controller

[spare meadow]

8bitdo N64 2.4g controller? Please take my money 💰

[zealous hull]

I think that's just the start of the 2nd footnote. 🙂

[vapid hawk]

ah

[marble cargo]

Keep in mind the core by Robert is technically not the first time an FPGA Nintendo 64 has been attempted. There was another proof of concept Nintendo 64 running on FPGA a long time ago.

[vapid hawk]

yeah i wouldn't jump to any conclusion that they're using roberts code or anything

[zealous hull]

Very likely not, if they're claiming all of the features they are.

[heady mason]

I am not, I am just saying I find it highly suspicious

[marble cargo]

https://www.ultrafp64.com/

[inner bronze]

It is known 😛

[heady mason]

ahh right, I thought this was just the emulator since its such a similar name

[brisk drum]

BREAKING ANALOGUE IS WORKING ON AN N64 device!

WTF for !

We got MISTER !

[heady mason]

its sad how they generally release hardware and then we are lucky to see it get more than maybe one update, despite there being bugs and such

[thorn flax]

for those who haven't seen the light

[mild ether]

Analogue's stuff all looks pretty neat to me it's just pricey. I did really want one of those NES consoles they made when it came out.

It's how I went down the rabbit hole of FPGA that lead to MiSTer.

[viscid quiver]

Anyone skeptical about this adapter?

[heady mason]

I bought the Mega SG, but found that it does not run Master System games very well, at least Batman Returns lags quite a bit in the later levels with waterfalls. The Pocket seems pretty good so far, but I sure am happy about the OpenFPGA feature or it would not have been much of a device

[viscid quiver]

I need some method of using a controller and already have a bunch of oem ones

[heady mason]

That one should work, Ultimate MiSTer is a good store

[viscid quiver]

I am surprised people aren't making a bigger deal about the availability of it today.

If they start selling out I'll snag one. Just watching for now.

[wanton sun]

Body Harvest can be completed 🙂

[teal citrus]

For people who don't wanna setup/update Mister on a daily basis.

[quaint pewter]

I just got the AnalLog email. ummm

[brisk drum]

Eventually the core will be finished and that will be a thing of the past ..

Personally I look forward to testing every drop no matter how small the change may Be

[teal citrus]

Ye. And I can't wait.

[quaint pewter]

to be fair they won't make enough and it will sell out in 1.5seconds so it's irrelevant

[brisk drum]

You sound like a non believer anal log pocket owning fart smelling scum!

[tepid gorge]

Also 2024 is a joke, if they can’t even show full images of the system and controller this is coming in 2025

[viscid quiver]

I was thinking about buying one of those Pockets from a scalper lol

I got some stuff I can sell that I don't use

If that terms not allowed I am sorry. Just occurred to me.

[quaint pewter]

I went to the site at exactly the time it was supposed to go live and they were sold. to heck with them. they are worse for artifical scarcity than nintendo with the mini consoles.

[inner bronze]

"Preorders starting December 28 2024"

#notalie

🤥

[tepid gorge]

Have they even put Duo up for pre-order?

[thorn flax]

yeah

[mortal panther]

Meh

[thorn flax]

just not that many care

so you can still pre-order it

[weary perch]

my favorite thing is when people document strange developer choices on the compatibility sheet. E.g. "weird noise in attract mode" for Automobili Lamborghini...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ann2S9Jvw

9 seconds in ^

[quaint pewter]

If they use any of Roberts code at all, they better send him a wheelbarrow full of gold doubloons.

[weary perch]

no shade whatsoever, it just tickles me

[viscid quiver]

See I had no idea they were doing the colored ones. Just found out about them a few days ago

[inner bronze]

I got mine in today

[thorn flax]

funnily enough I'm not even doing that and am planning to give him, srg320 and some other a Christmas present

[worn delta]

Although this is interesting news about Analogue releasing an N64 clone, let's keep that chat in the FPGA platforms channel and keep chat here on topic about Robert's core

[thorn flax]

all hail the king

[stiff pecan]

hope the controller at least is available as a separate purchase

[brisk drum]

Agreed , it’s just funny to me

[tepid gorge]

It will be, it’s 8BitDo

[heady mason]

well... that might be the same thing was what I was saying 😉

[tepid gorge]

Separate company, they just collaborate a lot

[zealous hull]

I've never even heard of Body Harvest.

Is it good?

[thorn flax]

love it

[dull flume]

i imagine since the anlogue n64 is using analogue os then it'll get updated with openFPGA and maybe even have the internals to run ps1? (just thinking about other 3d consoles) though since i have a mister and live in an apartment i'm not likely to buy any of these analogue console recreations. exciting news about display modes coming to the pocket by EOY, but they've also been kicking that can down the road for a while

[thorn flax]

I love how we all just agreed to keep chat on topic but alec thought "well I've written to much to stop now"

[inner bronze]

Well, the site already says it wont support openFPGA

Im typing in both channels 😄

[thorn flax]

no.
stop it.
bad

[quaint pewter]

if alec puts a k on the end of his name he's on topic no mater what

[thorn flax]

been some good talk about DD and alek64 support

cic things

[orchid nimbus]

I don't particular care about ANAL-ogue to be honest - this is a MiSTer FPGA server

[stuck summit]

Yeah I'm buying that

[stuck summit]

I care about the 8bitdo controller lol

for MiSTer usage

[zealous hull]

Same. That controller + Robert's core is perfection.

[orchid nimbus]

Like this prototype?

[thorn flax]

haha

ew

that dpad

[zealous hull]

Sure, but 8BitDo > Retro Brawlers build quality every time for me.

[viscid quiver]

Aint gonna be able to rubber band down Z there ain't no way

[stuck summit]

I don't like retrofighters pad

[wanton sun]

No surprise it would be a topic here. I talked with mazamars quite a bit. Glad he finally can make all his work available

[stuck summit]

the 8bitdo N64 controller just looks like their Ultimate pad with N64 buttons, so take my money

[placid ferry]

He hasn't been

[wanton sun]

He also made a lot of research public over the last years. N64brew is full of it

[zealous hull]

Nothing will ever replace your core in my heart, Robert.

[wanton sun]

The GBA core isn't useless just because the pocket exists, our NES and SNES cores are also not

even the pocket has our NES core 😉

[heady mason]

so it is his work that Analogue uses with permission from him and everything then?

[stuck summit]

I have the Analogue Pocket, I barely play it since I usually prefer MiSTer anyway for the flexibility

just feels like I can do whatever I want with the MiSTer. Analogue OS is too closed and limited

[heady mason]

The Pocket is nice, but yeah, I mainly have it to have a mobile MiSTer, but the MiSTer is still the way to go 🙂

[dull flume]

how many of their previous consoles have advertised their jailbreaks in advance though? i feel like they're just saving face now and they're gonna jailbreak it later, just like all of their consoles

[wanton sun]

There is always a place for both, i don't see any issue with that. The analogue consoles are convenient and for a different audience. If at all, it will make mister and other platforms stronger, due to more people looking into it

[heady mason]

Yes, I have nothing against them either. I was just worried that they had been going behind your back with something

[stuck summit]

yeah, analogue consoles are for people who value playing their collection of original cartridges. MiSTer will never support them

[zinc dew]

You can type the name of the game now

[knotty zealot]

they're for PLEBS

[wanton sun]

it's the easy entry 🙂

[zinc dew]

Oh so you’re buying it?

HUEHUEHUE

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-review-imax-laxman-bhibatsam-bro-crying-gif-25874631

[zinc dew]

ok I’m sorry

[knotty zealot]

you're firing back now. AS IT SHOULD BE!

[quaint pewter]

My eyes are getting pretty terrible now so GBA and other handhelds on a BIG screen is the only way I can play them without coke bottle glasses or a headache.

[knotty zealot]

i've only waited for it for A YEAR

[heady mason]

doesnt MiSTer even have a dual GBA core to play multiplayer? 😄

[cerulean elk]

Lol @manic basin just sent me the link. I forgot it was today

[knotty zealot]

yes but it's kinda useless

[stuck summit]

tbh if the N64 core wasn't a thing I'd probably be looking into getting into the hell that is buying any analogue console, besides paying the probably exorbitant asking price. I'm really, really glad I don't have to care

[quaint pewter]

It certainly does. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Def don’t need to pre order this one lol

[mild ether]

It was the buzz around Analogue's NT that lead me to MiSTer to begin with so not a zero sum game in FPGA gaming.

[orchid nimbus]

4 swords dude!!

[wanton sun]

i know that norway has a low population densitiy, but i'm sure you can find a friend 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

oooooh .... buuuuuurn!!!!

[heady mason]

OpenFPGA on the Pocket is a great concept I think, no problem with that since its always open about where the source comes from and such. But if mazamars made a deal with Analogue then that is great I think. His work does seem very much in the same line of design and concept as other Analogue consoles. I wont be getting one, N64 was never that big a deal for me, but it certainly has some interesting game and I love seeing it happen on the MiSTer 🙂

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-jedi-mind-tricks-star-wars-doesnt-work-gif-11675065

[zinc dew]

I’m serious!

[knotty zealot]

i was hoping for coldor to ask FIRST so that i could respond with my well thought out joke "another human is needed" BUT I GUESS YOU'RE LURKING AROUND TOO!

[topaz otter]

You go first

[worn delta]

Haaland is going to have a lot of time on his hands next June if you need someone to play with

[mild ether]

Qwest 64

[hollow rune]

I think if I get a portable it will be the Retroid Pocket 2s. The nice experience will always be on MiSTer

[knotty zealot]

oh god. facepalm.

[quaint pewter]

@orchid nimbus do you have this in your meme collection? It just popped up on my facebook feed kinda randomly.

Although I would have thought it was two left arms...

[orchid nimbus]

@quaint pewter thanks.... I think 😛

(added)

[viscid quiver]

I just call that the 3rd leg lol

[teal citrus]

Yep. Despite the stupid fomo practices they have, especially with their limited quantities, it's only gonna bring awareness to other open-source options, like Mister!

Or Mars FPGA, whenever that releases (probably next year as well).

Besides, from what I've seen, your work is impeccable to a point where I remember how Near (may they rest in peace) used to develop the Ares emulator.

[knotty zealot]

don't go an create any new useless features now like making goldeneye run

[orchid nimbus]

@knotty zealot go seek help for those burns

[zealous hull]

Brutal.

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-thanks-cordell-walker-walker-texas-ranger-im-alright-thank-you-no-thank-you-gif-3053643296966896477

[paper orchid]

Github > Bug Report > "Goldeneye Runs When It Shouldn't"

[thorn flax]

"it ought not to"

[weary beacon]

Right. Too late!

[knotty zealot]

people always suggest things all the time. i'm gonna ask now. it's my time for a stupid question since usually they're all great. i asked the perfect question. it was a perfect call. WHAT IF...it's possible to render just part of the screen? and then you can output mister to two tv's and play goldeneye against each other with butt fugly af stretched graphics but on two screens?

i see a fork in the works

[zinc dew]

Jokes on you, goldeneye is already butt fugly

[viscid quiver]

This is provided you have friends to play with. Or 4 hands. Or are particularly skilled or can use your feet.

[knotty zealot]

yes, you'd have a hard time actually seeing what's happening on screen

yeah, i don't have friends. i buy those.

i rent friends for multiplayer

[orchid nimbus]

@knotty zealot is an advanced troll AI

he randomly tosses out edgy comments

[viscid quiver]

Thats actually not a bad idea. If I come up with enough loot can I just have a multi-player night where I pay people to come over and do a mario party or something.

[orchid nimbus]

and pops up when least expected

[knotty zealot]

you think you're having a mario party but three furries show up

they want to play conker's bad furr day

[viscid quiver]

I don't really care as long as they are capable of holding the controller and playing without getting distracted in 30 seconds.

[knotty zealot]

minimum requirement

[fair stump]

Oddjob unbanned will cost you extra

[last scarab]

Are they using his research to build the fpga 64 console?

[quaint pewter]

I'm guessing they are the person making the anlg implementation?

[viscid quiver]

Is there any discussion of a MiSTer FPGA speedrunning leaderboard.

Just for the MiSTer FPGA homies

[orchid nimbus]

@bunta meaderboard - like for a BBQ?

[viscid quiver]

I don't trust Speedrun dot com

[mortal panther]

Fixed. 😉

[orchid nimbus]

[picture of Billy M tightening his necktie with pac-man characters]

@viscid quiver why not?

[wicked granite]

As long as Analogue ist not ripping off anybody, giving the real developers a cut , and credit all involved there is nothing to object them releasing an N64 FPGA console. Most here are probably on alert because in the past, there has been a lot of plagiarism and ripping of the open source community, especially in the retro community. Fingers crossed this time its different.

[orchid nimbus]

closed source - no interaction wiht the original author and cashing in... isn't that how it works?

[wicked granite]

unfortunately there have been countless cases - lets just hope.

[viscid quiver]

Nothing to do with Billy Mitchell. They were shadowbanning Harry Potter games for awhile.

[solemn marlin]

Smash remix works really well, it's like a new smash game, you can play as a piano

[mellow path]

It's cool they have wavedashing, but I wish you could wavedash to ledge 😢

[sullen harbor]

can't you use it to transfer pokemon

[knotty zealot]

nerds transfer pokemon

[orchid nimbus]

weird - I guess some political statement blanketting everything and everyone related to a topic..... I guess it's what the people want these days

oh test build 😄

[wanton sun]

newest build has FPU exceptions as error flag bit 4. If you see this pop up (e.g. E000010) at the same time some issue (hang, bug) occurs, please tell me

if it pops up without issue, please ignore

[knotty zealot]

did you have a chance to post your daily gif or has the opportunity passed

[abstract slate]

Much more tranquil over here right now vs. #fpga-platforms

[orchid nimbus]

yes I did

[wanton sun]

i was 1 hour late 😉

[knotty zealot]

you CAN'T post it now. don't do it.

it would go against your world view and beliefs

[solemn maple]

Doom is fixed? 😮

[orchid nimbus]

it's random when the person appears 😉 I'll stop posting it

btw I added bit25 and update bit4 description in the decoder

[fair stump]

Quake II looking good

[abstract slate]

Hello @wanton sun We haven't met but thank you for your great work.

[daring meteor]

Very nice update today

[abstract slate]

Vampier shared your dunk on basketsnake earlier

[fair stump]

Yep, quake II is all good now

[abstract slate]

I think he set you up but it was solid teamwork.

[knotty zealot]

oh, you're working on the core too? i hope it's something useful. rofl

[fair stump]

I believe this is happening when loading WWF War Zone

[wanton sun]

thank you

[knotty zealot]

don't worry, next time i'll get you good. i'll get you all. you'll see. it'll be a carefully constructed leading question that can only be followed with a brutal response.

[orchid nimbus]

🙂 more useful than you'll ever not be

[fair stump]

WWF War Zone is E0000010 and hangs on initial load

[orchid nimbus]

(read that carefully btw :P)

[toxic pumice]

New build time???

[orchid nimbus]

yeah

[daring meteor]

@wanton sun I think 5101 CIC needs in WRITESTARTUP1 to be initialized with 00 and not 3F, but not sure

[calm anvil]

I mean its a dawn of a new day... aka new build time

[wanton sun]

possible. We can try when the games really work

[fair stump]

Same with WWF Attitude

[toxic pumice]

Is this the build that should get f-zero expansion ROM hack working?

[languid dune]

Aww 🫰 , Doom is fixed!?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[toxic pumice]

Let's GO?!

[wanton sun]

great, thank you

[craggy kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/safemoon-gif-shinobi-gif-22327697

Me describing the developement speed of the N64 Core:

[frail jolt]

Do we know who'd doing the dev work on the analog n64?

[round rune]

Any speculation on “support for 4k” with Analogue’s device? Is it possible we see the same upscaling with Robert’s? Don’t we really just have native resolution and widescreen with the current core?

[modern sleet]

Robert squashing them bugs

[chilly ember]

We already have analog on the core

[viscid quiver]

Same thing with Games Done Quick. Banned all of the games because they are children. Oh well, I don't have to donate to GDQ. Also don't have to share any runs at Speedrun. All about options I guess.

[languid dune]

Robert is trying to mimmick real N64 as much as possible. So no higher resolutions than normal.

[ornate obsidian]

"Support for 4K" just means the FPGA can output 3840x2160, they'll probably add some 4K filters like the ones that exists through Retroarch or on the Mister itself just at a higher resolution

[round rune]

Thank you for that explanation!

[languid dune]

Yeah, there's a difference between 4K output and 4K rendering. Is Analogue's device just 4K output?

[round rune]

I was wondering if they were going to do it like emulation and actually scale the pixels up.

[frail jolt]

I think Robert is diligently working on this so he can get that analog paycheck.... let's be honest lol

(And even if he is...more power to him...he's sharing whatever hw does with the core fpga community before analog)

[ornate obsidian]

I can guarantee it wont be rendering at 4K, only outputing

[fair stump]

A fresh build and people are talking about analogue

[orchid nimbus]

yeah GDQ seriously has issues with themselves 😄

[remote hatch]

why is it so dark in doom ? 🤣

[frail jolt]

I'll admit it..i owned every analog console before I bought a mister and sold the lot

[remote hatch]

works great

[toxic pumice]

Is there a chance this'll fix the bangai-o hanging after first mission or is this completely unrelated

[frail jolt]

The fact they do limited runs.. paid for my mister since I got a premium on every console I sold

[toxic pumice]

I'm not even going to pretend I know what specifically has been fixed with this build 🙂

[chilly pivot]

you can change the contrast in the setting

[viscid quiver]

Can you fix DK64 so that it doesn't require the expansion Pak?

[wanton sun]

no, but if you want, check if the E000010 error occurs when it crashes

[frail jolt]

Thanks... but this may be to the wrong person lol

[orchid nimbus]

someone already did 🙂

but why

[toxic pumice]

I'll do exactly that, I'm home in an hour so I'll smash it

[chilly pivot]

ah sorry 😄

[viscid quiver]

Always bugged me.

I do have one though

[frail jolt]

No need for apologies... I just want to make sure you hit up the right person.... this community is amazint..and i don't want anyone left out of answers they need

[viscid quiver]

I haven't done Update all on my MiSTer In 6 months. I bet there's some fun stuff awaiting me.

[frail jolt]

Only saying it to help out..

[viscid quiver]

Last I used it I was checking out the newly released Outrun core.

[frail jolt]

Mister now includes the Tomb raider nude code

[chilly pivot]

you can change the contrast in the setting 😄

[remote hatch]

it's still dark 😛

perfect dark

😄

[knotty zealot]

how is it possible to not run update all in six months? that's usually what we do with the mister.

[frail jolt]

Can contest to this...I run update all more than I do anything else

[viscid quiver]

I have not turned it on since around May

[chilly pivot]

Man...Doom works without the the red borders? Nice!

[remote hatch]

yeah, works great 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

bustamove 2 doens't crash anymore 😄

[cerulean elk]

Nice

[chilly pivot]

How about WCW NWO Revenge Intro? 😄

[cerulean elk]

So doom and quake II making the big strides this core eh?

[viscid quiver]

Can anyone confirm or Deny the Wave Race 64 Shindou version working?

[orchid nimbus]

they look good to me

[viscid quiver]

We have the inferior wave race 64 working but not Shindou which is sad.

[weary beacon]

shindou works if you change the cic or boot straight to it on first core boot.

[brisk drum]

I was on that shit the second it was announced

[iron bridge]

92 stars so far, everythings seems fine !

[remote hatch]

ok I think I'm going to spend the night with Doom 😄 thanks @wanton sun !

[weary beacon]

Too late as in we all rdy have the mister core. I'm not buying it.

[brisk drum]

But Robert is right , even more people are gonna look into fpga devices and in the end MISTer is always going to be the best value for a device out there

[daring meteor]

Shindou no work

[brisk drum]

We should all take a second to acknowledge and remember the creator and original contributors of the entire MISTer project .

https://tenor.com/view/davis-boreanaz-salute-uniform-remembrance-respect-gif-4762830

[vapid hawk]

doom64 is fixed today? rad

[thorn flax]

my Patched Shindou Mario is fine

[daring meteor]

NBA Jam 99 is E0000010

[daring meteor]

Shindou wave

[weary beacon]

I all rdy told him how to get it to work. He says no, so what evs 😉

[brisk drum]

Anyone check Superman 64 ?

[oblique remnant]

Eikou no Saint Andrews is now properly working 😄

[orchid nimbus]

yup the red glow is gone

[orchid nimbus]

yes it still sucks

[hexed knot]

that's properly working, huh

[weary perch]

that's a huge fix... many many games with that red transparency issue

curious if track lighting in SCARS works now

[brisk drum]

But does it look as crappy as it should ?

[oblique remnant]

it's a game from 1996 so I expected to run earlier 😄

[thorn flax]

big win

[toxic pumice]

Let's GOOOOOOO

[cloud peak]

Your GBA core is better 🙂

[weary palm]

Is the pink water gone from Diddy Kong Racing

[wanton sun]

i doubt it

[orchid nimbus]

yeah!!

[hexed knot]

very nice.

[brisk drum]

Goddang I love this version of Tetris ..

[daring meteor]

No change in Dr Mario or Beetle

But honestly with this update we're really starting to get close to scrapping the barrel, or at least feels like it haha

[toxic pumice]

Progression is absolutely insane

[weary palm]

Damn, I love Dr Beetle. 😦

[thorn flax]

ahhhh, boosted to a spectacular death

[daring meteor]

The

[thorn flax]

worth it

[compact depot]

Time for some AUTOBILI LAMBORGHINI!!!!! ❤️

[daring meteor]

Translation patch works?

But not regular Shindou?

What

[wanton sun]

You can play shindou waverace if you select eeprom16

[daring meteor]

Ah

[wanton sun]

not nice, but at least a workaround

[viscid quiver]

Oh well. The only game I care about... I have no doubt Robert will get it going in due time!