Nintendo 64

[odd vector]

I would say the only possible issue are the (probably) missing database settings

[chilly ember]

That'd be my guess too but i haven't tried it

Trying to finish megaman 64 or i'd try it lol

[hasty musk]

yes thats the problem. @wanton sun
i tried rename patched rom to the legend if zelda usa title.but nothing.

I think i must copy the legend of zelda usa settings and rename it to the rom file name ind the database

[chrome quest]

Don't think we need Robert pinged to fix this one. Renaming the ROM won't help, you need to add the hash value of the randomised game to make it work

Alternatively, you might not be on the latest not yet standard database method which had more catch all logic I believe, might get the randomiser to work now.
If you're on latest unstable "MiSTer" file; from the unstable channel
Then using the "new" database file (which must be renamed to "N64-database.txt");
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt
Are you using this method yet? If not give it a go

[hearty oar]

definitely try the latter method, it will work, otherwise you will be having to hash your rom and re-add it to the database every single time you randomise, which would get fairly tedious fairly quickly

[dusty tusk]

Spelunker Party is actually pretty fun. I find the bullshit to be a feature

[hasty musk]

Thx it worked with new database and latest unstable mister. 🤗

[chilly ember]

Got the most important thing in megaman 64

[hearty oar]

Legends with perspective correct textures and no jittery vertices is…unnatural…

[chilly ember]

I agree :P, ps1 version is alot better. N64 version drops in framerate alot compared to ps1 version. I'm just trying to complete to mark it off the list

frame rate isn't a mister thing either, it just runs like that

[hearty oar]

Really cool to see it working

[chilly ember]

So close to being finished too so it should be completable without any issues

No crashes

[chilly ember]

Woo final boss done

[lament escarp]

While I have to work. Yay!

[chilly ember]

Finished Megaman 64

[hearty oar]

Got a bit tense there for a minute

[chilly ember]

That one move that just takes all your health lol

[final walrus]

This makes me wish for an instant capture feature like on switch.

There’s a screenshot button for keyboards but that’s it right?

[vapid hawk]

yeah its er, the print-screen key i think

[chilly ember]

Yea thats it, I'm using a capture card with analog io so i can capture and play on a crt at the same time

[vapid hawk]

would be kinda neat if you could do it with a controller combo or something

[chilly ember]

I agree

[final walrus]

Sorry stumbled a bit with my speech

[wind helm]

Sorry I have asked this last night so please forgive me for asking this once more Do you know why Bust-A-Move 2 and Bust-A-Move 99 have suddenly become perfectly playable on the N64 agree ? It wasn't like this before In fact it barely booted Do you know what the reason for this sudden change is ? I really love the Bust-A-Move series and am happy to see they are now working I played the 2nd part on the N64 more than 20 years ago Thank you Robert !!! This is beautiful

What's also crazy are the fantastic reaction times on the two games It really plays like the original thing because every milisecond counts in this game

[oblique remnant]

Its really great that its playable but not perfect yet Bust a move'99 crashes at some point

[wind helm]

oh but it's at least a start

Bust-A-Move 2 looked fine to me

[lean spruce]

Robert has explained this in detail on Patreon, but if you look at the latest test core release notes:
RDP: fix overflow of loading linesize (Puzzle Bobble)

[wind helm]

thank you!

and sorry for asking 😉

[lean spruce]

no worries

[wind helm]

you know I have been so preoccuped by what is happening in the world that I haven't had a chance to release the work notes yet

[lean spruce]

Its quite an interesting read on Patreon, so I recommend you support if you have the possibility

[wind helm]

yes I will thank you as mentioned I usually follow everything but the horrifying events in the Middle East keep me really preoccupied and distracted from such things 😦

[final walrus]

Best to not let this bleed over into this server tho as it gets heated quickly, and especially with Israel / Palestine. Big no-no.

[vapid hawk]

that latest patreon writeup is awesome

[wind helm]

sorry

[cyan pilot]

You're all good. 🦦

[compact lark]

Is Mario Kart 64 supposed to be full of color banding on Moo Moo Farm and Koopa Troopa Beach, even with Dithering on?

[cerulean elk]

Mind if I mention this in a vid?

I like to update people on games you can finish 🙂

[chilly ember]

Yea No worries

[cerulean elk]

Awesome. Also awesome you beat it. I think you have the record for most finished games @chilly ember

[wanton sun]

works fine here (US version with NSO pad)

[chilly ember]

Yea i think so 😅

[final walrus]

Guess I'll switch to that then

[wanton sun]

was that PAL? i doubt it is different, i rather think the pad/config is the issue

[bitter fjord]

I am guessing the whole N64 software emulation effort is a huge hack xD

[native mesa]

Happy Friday!

[mortal panther]

...the 13th!

[lament escarp]

The sd card I wanted to upgrade my mister with just corrupted and wont quick format anymore. I deffo feel the 13.

[slate sundial]

Resident Evil 2 seems to pop resolutions, with some scenes interlaced, and some progressive. Seems a unique issue with RE2. Is there a way I can fix it via settings ?

[wanton sun]

the game does really change it all the time, i think using 4mbyte ram makes it always run at 240p?

but the RE experts here will tell you soon

[weary beacon]

I think it's the opposite. It only remains fixed at 240p without the expansion

[wanton sun]

that's what i mean, step down to 4mbyte (no expansion) from the 8mbyte default

[weary beacon]

Ahh, sorry, misunderstood

[wanton sun]

no worries 🙂 Also i think the FMVs have glitches at screen bottom either way currently

[solemn maple]

Any updates planned for the weekend, Robert? 🙂

[wanton sun]

there was already one this morning, couldn't sleep 😅

[cerulean elk]

yeah he said he was gonna release the 3DO core @languid dune and I want

[wanton sun]

will upload a build with it later today or tomorrow, let's see

[cerulean elk]

lol and there you go complicating my 4 pm vid I haven't done voice over on yet

[solemn maple]

hmmm.... hope it's not part of update_all, don't want too much garbage in my core menu :/

[wanton sun]

only if you REALLY want to show jeopardy

[lament escarp]

If you don't want garbage 3do is not for you anyway

[cerulean elk]

isn't that why everyone buys a N64?

[cerulean elk]

that's it...meet me in the parking lot at 5!

[fair stump]

@cerulean elk how's the state of 3do emulation these days? Would a mister core be a big step up?

[solemn maple]

They have a dumpster there for your real 3DO?

[cerulean elk]

Emulation is solid. Fixel did a lot of that. But an FPGA core is always welcome

[solemn maple]

Just kidding, I would love a 3DO core since I've never played one.

I caved and ordered a NSO controller from Germany (swedish store don't sell them)

Thank god for google translate

[weak sierra]

Has anyone tried the N64 version of Xenocrisis? I just wondered if it’s any different from the Megadrive and NeoGeo versions?

[cerulean elk]

not diff enough to justify a new playthrough

[weak sierra]

Fair enough

[daring meteor]

8 more games left

[weak sierra]

I don’t own a copy anyway lol

[lament escarp]

Would've also translated for you and made you order one to my address as well.

[solemn maple]

you don't have NSO?

[lament escarp]

I still have but don't plan to renew. But I already have the 8bitdo modkit, which is nice. I would take a free nso controller though.

[solemn maple]

I was depating going the modkit route but this way I don't have to cut the cord on any of my working n64 pads

[lament escarp]

The mod is reversable, you don't really cut the cord. But admittedly the driver situation for the nso controller is better then on the modkit right now.

[native mesa]

I finally got my mod kit today

[lament escarp]

I rescued the makyest n64 controller from Ebay with the mod!

[lament escarp]

Build it! Show it!

[native mesa]

OK I can in a bit, I have a 9am meeting

[lament escarp]

Thats 18 hours from now for me! Thats enough time I promise!

[orchid nimbus]

@final walrus I think you have double bindings - it happened to me when I didn't realize the analogue was always tied to stick 1 and that's where I also bound my c-stick too.

[final walrus]

Oh so up down left right during core setup refers to the dpad?

[orchid nimbus]

depends which part

https://vampier.net/N64/

here is a crude intrepretation of the n64 stick

[wanton sun]

yes, inside the core: dpad, in menu core you can setup the analog sticks

i cannot rename up, down, left, right, to "Dpad up", .... otherwise i would do it

[final walrus]

That’s what I did so double bind checks out

[wanton sun]

best to try a controllertest rom

[orchid nimbus]

@final walrus I didn't say you did - I said you might have

[final walrus]

I‘ll check it later today but all signs point to you being right. I tried the analog - dpad switch to see if I made a mistake and that changed nothing, which makes sense with that hypothesis. thanks for your input

[orchid nimbus]

np 🙂 let me know if it works out

dm is ok

[native mesa]

cleaning this controller will take longer than the mod kid!

[final walrus]

Ppl are not gonna drop dead if I write „works, thanks“ in main chat lol

[native mesa]

I might

[lament escarp]

Yes.

[fair walrus]

@wanton sun i've notice that the dedithering of fzero does not seems to work (option on or off).

[trim seal]

I think I recall that they didn't include it in the code - all those VI options are just options for the devs.

[trim seal]

That's why the option in the core is "Default" instead of "on"

[solemn marlin]

Have you heard our (my mostly tbh) whinging about dual analog for certain games like the fps one? I know it's probably not high on the priority list but might it be doable eventually?

[fair walrus]

i thought it was something like that

[wanton sun]

yes, games can set it like they want

the core has no "force" option

[fair walrus]

i imagine that it is not possible or easy to force it?

[wanton sun]

maybe, but there is no point. If dither is not used, why dedither?

[fair walrus]

there is dithering but no dedither

[wanton sun]

last time i looked, the n64 controller only had 1 analog stick 😅

[fair walrus]

(well from what i can see/understand)

[wanton sun]

hmm, ok. So they probably skipped it to save memory fetches

well, a force could be done, i'm just not sure if it's worth it currently. And i f one feature gets it, there will be requests for the others 🙂

[drowsy lantern]

Like Robert said, the controllers only have one stick, but nothing is preventing you from mapping the C-buttons to a joystick and get a similar result in games that allow this configuration.

[solemn marlin]

Yea I know but you can set the left stick to the c inputs and you can control a bunch of games like modern fps games, it's doable now but you have to set main mister to right stick and then remap in core, it's a bit of a pain

[wanton sun]

i see, so it's mostly a joystick swap of stick 1 and 2 you need?

as the core doesn't handle stick2 and i don't want to add that (ressources) this would rather be done in mister main, then also other cores like psx could have it. I'm just not sure how high the chances are you get it 😅

[fair walrus]

yes i understand, it is not a big deal (and i was wondering if it were a bug), the game has already good graphics and the option i change on any games is turning off the VI bilinear. All the other options have, imo, a useful purpose, but this one, i do not get it.

[weary perch]

There are 4 retail games which allow the use of two controllers on N64.

• GoldenEye 007
• Perfect Dark
• Robotron 64
• Star Wars Episode I Racer (unlocked with a code)

none of the other FPS games have an option for it

*2 controllers used by one player, to be clear

[topaz otter]

Sin and punishment does right

[weary perch]

i don't think so

[lament escarp]

Shouldn't that already work?

[weary perch]

those four are the whole list as far as i know

i haven't tried it but i'm sure it works with 2 pads if nothing else

i think people want some way to easily set it up on a single pad

[lament escarp]

1 pad for rumble, 1 pad for cpack! I like it.

[weary perch]

there are games which let you save to CPAKs other than the first controller's, which means you can leave rumble in P1

World Driver Championship is one example

[topaz otter]

oh ok sin and punishment just has two player and also left handed mode, so no, it does not use dual sticks

[daring meteor]

They want to bind 1 physical controller to 2 contollers on the core

[lament escarp]

Just use joycons. Case closed.

[daring meteor]

lmao

[woeful beacon]

I'd rather use two TV remotes at least they have dpads some of them

[lament escarp]

It would solve your problems, right. 😄

[woeful beacon]

Joycons have never solved more problems than they created

But that hd rumble sure is neat! 😂

[daring meteor]

Initial D fans love the Joycons

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/inauguration-cnn2017-donald-trump-finger-wag-no-gif-20640184

I hate the joycon

I can't use it

[lament escarp]

Mine do have dpads. Dunno whats wrong with yours.

[topaz otter]

Now post a pic of the OEM joycon dpad

[woeful beacon]

Those aren't joycons they're weird Frankencons

And they are still less comfortable in the hand than a TV remote

Checkmate

[topaz otter]

https://assets.nintendo.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_1200/q_auto:best/f_auto/dpr_2.0/ncom/en_US/products/accessories/nintendo-switch/controllers/joy-con-controllers/joy-con-neon-red-neon-blue/104882-nintendo-switch-joy-con-red-blue-1200x675

[lament escarp]

Excuse me, then just use two weird frankencons. 😄 case closed.

[woeful beacon]

True true

You win this one

[topaz otter]

its not a dpad its a button pad

also what does this do

[woeful beacon]

Only good Dpad on a joycon

[topaz otter]

a dpad for hamster hands

[lament escarp]

You're lucky I wont harm the triforce.

[woeful beacon]

Blue kinda clashes w the purple. Needs Frankencon mod

[woeful beacon]

Get to it

Drop one of those extremely useful gamecube Dpads in it

They're so precise and good

[topaz otter]

you guys are interrupting robert on his spa day

[woeful beacon]

And not like fucking ornamental

[lament escarp]

Nah one is the master sword and one is the hylian shield. It's from zelda, Z-E-L-D-A

[woeful beacon]

What's that is that like some kind of souls game

[orchid nimbus]

1 more week of work and I'll be off for 6 workdays

[woeful beacon]

Or is it minecraft

Ah I see it's trying to be both

Oh wait and banjo kazooie nuts and bolts

Wow way to rip off 3 games Z - E - L - ... nah jk games good. Lol

[native mesa]

8bitdo mod kit is nice!

[woeful beacon]

For what?

[lament escarp]

I think he'll love it when he reads this. 😄

[woeful beacon]

There's one for N64?

[native mesa]

Yes

[woeful beacon]

Oh neat! Ggs

[topaz otter]

hey what was that thing thats coming out that the switch slides into

it was like a custom thing that already had the controls on it

[lament escarp]

A franken n64! It's the one on the top btw.

[woeful beacon]

I have the kit for Saturn controllers

I don't trust old N64 controllers so I opted for NSO

But I can't trust that either cuz fuckin input lag varies

[topaz otter]

nevermind I found it

https://youtu.be/y3SBhxbMnUg

[lament escarp]

A dock.

[native mesa]

good taste

[lament escarp]

Also got a m30 by now and I'm getting the 8bitdo ps1 modkit and pc engine controller in a few weeks.

[lament escarp]

They're brothers!!!

[solemn marlin]

No not that, or I mean I guess you can do it like that but I think that'd be even more work to ask for. The thing I'm asking about is just setting the 64 stick to the right stick and c buttons to the left stick, I think all fps games can work like a modern dual stick shooter then

[lament escarp]

In switch mode you'll have to pair it each time you connect it. In dinput you'll need to map the c buttons as 2nd stick to get them working. Also don't finish the setup in main prematurely, else it can fuck up the stick.

@native mesa

[daring meteor]

Ah

Yeah that should be easy if done in main

[native mesa]

Is this perfection? I'm impressed

[solemn marlin]

I think alien resurrection for psx already allows it in the way I'm asking for, I guess other games could make use of it as well but honestly it's more interesting for the n64 fps games because they are better lol. I'll keep whinging a bit but I understand it's not a priority issue

[mellow path]

So I haven't had any issues playing Mischief Makers outside of graphics flickering in and out. Could the graphics issues be related to TLB? Or is it more likely that iterative core improvements outside of TLB will resolve the issues?

[lament escarp]

It's the clamping.

[mellow path]

One other weird thing I've noticed is up and left is not registering when I swap D-PAD and Stick. Anyone run into that issue?

[native mesa]

Yeah I guess linearity feels a little weird in Mario 64

[lilac scroll]

If one goes full wireless you mean? Because I just swapped the stick and it’s great from everything I’ve tested so far…

[mellow path]

My analog stick seems to be fairly well calibrated as well so I don't think it's a controller issue.

[lament escarp]

Technically also if you just exchange the stick. You can always swap back.

[solemn marlin]

Yea, as I understand you have to set the stick to the right analog stick in main and then map the c buttons to the left stick in the core, it's easy but a bit of a pain because it's only for those few games and you have to remap every time, I wouldn't be able to take a breather from aztec 007 difficulty with some quick free flying in pilotwings 64 🧐

[lilac scroll]

I’m sure it’ll be improved. It was good enough for me

[daring meteor]

As in, code wise in main

[lament escarp]

Are you on the latest unstable? That doesn't look clamped enough.

[mellow path]

I'm not sure when I updated it last so I'll give that a shot

[dense wagon]

wait... switch joycons work on mister?

[lament escarp]

The n64 uses +-85 range, modern controllers use +-127 range. There is a fix in the unstable main that fixes it down to that.

[solemn marlin]

You mean having the buttons to left stick as well?

[lament escarp]

I used some when testing the clamping for lemonix when all 4 controllers need to clamp on the same time. So yes.

[daring meteor]

As in, changing main so that there will be an easily togglable setting

[solemn marlin]

Oh okay, that'd be cool

[vapid hawk]

you can actually do it with no code, just map your sticks wrong on purpose

it makes that pad useless for anything else but then you can play n64 fps games all day 🙂

[dense wagon]

Nice! i guess same pairing process as usual for bluetooth

[daring meteor]

What I meant was the toggle x3

[lament escarp]

Exactly. Had no issue whatsoever pairing them.

But dunno if you can use 2 as 1 controller like on switch.

[mellow path]

This is the benchmark after updating unstable

Same behavior with dpad swap

[lament escarp]

Looks better I guess? I take it you're not using a controller with a real gate?

[solemn marlin]

Turning the mister into a slappers only in the facility toilets only machine sounds like an upgrade tho

[mellow path]

I am using a GameCube controller with Mayflash WiiU adapter

[lament escarp]

Please try to do a complete setup in main, no finishing early, you'll get thrown out when the mister is done. You can skip mouse stuff.

There have been a few people reporting having issues when not fully doing the main setup.

[thorn flax]

that dpad would be perfection

[empty cliff]

oh mayflash works with mister?

is that with... all cores?

[mellow path]

Doing a complete setup made no difference. Also diagonal down-left also doesn't register.

I don't know if that's worse than it was before, I only noticed up-left before, and was only trying up-left/up-right.

[lament escarp]

Sorry I'm out if ideas. @hearty oar is really smart about controllers and might have an idea.

[mellow path]

I haven't tested with other cores, just because the GC controller really only feels suitable for n64 games. But I would assume yes.

I'm still curious if it's an actual controller issue, or an issue with the Dpad<->Stick Swap implementation. I haven't had any controller issues before.

[empty cliff]

try using it with smashscope on dolphin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzgS1aDb7TQ

will check everything for you

[solemn marlin]

Tried dual sticks for twine by changing stuff in main and the core, everything works except for left stick up which doesn't register, so you can't walk forward

The gun barrel sequence isn't just the same when bond strafes into view like a crab

[balmy pulsar]

in some romhacks of oot, such as betteroot and oot randomizer, items like the ocarina and boots get mapped to the dpad so ocarina doesn't take up a C slot and so you don't have to pause/unpause for alternative boots

i just gave oot randomizer a shot to find i could not move through the overworld because my analog input triggered both analog and dpad inputs to the game, meaning any time i pressed any amount towards down it would open the ocarina

is there a way to separate these, or at least make it so the dpad input is disabled? i saw the "swap dpad and joystick" menu option but it didn't appear to change anything

[zealous hull]

It sounds like maybe you just need to rebind? I've been able to navigate OoT with D-Pad shortcuts no problem.

[balmy pulsar]

maybe it's because i did a rebind inside the n64 core? it only asks for one set of up/down/left/right where the mister OS menu seems to differentiate between stick and dpad

[weary perch]

when N64 core asks for Up/Down/etc, it wants D-Pad

[zealous hull]

Yeah, make sure that your direction binds are to the dpad, not the stick.

[weary perch]

if you used stick there, that's why you're getting double inputs

[balmy pulsar]

okay, i'll try that; thanks!

[weary beacon]

yes, the sticks do not need to be binded in the cores itselves

It's the same in the PSX core

[mild ether]

I didn't think you could bind the stick at all in the core but could be remembering wrong.

Thought it was only in the main menu under tilt.

[coral timber]

Ooooooh okay yep that explains why i was having that problem too then

[mild ether]

You just set tilt right and tilt down. If it only moves left right or up and down in the core it's because it wasn't set right in the main menu in my experience.

[solemn marlin]

Anyone else with an interest in dual stick play should try, want to know if I did something incorrectly or if it's some other thing that must be done

[languid dune]

Don't give me hope!!

[final walrus]

@orchid nimbus yup, you were correct. Thanks

[cerulean elk]

lolol

[vagrant ivy]

A 3DO core to show the world how crap it is

[tidal glade]

No, that is jaguar's

[vagrant ivy]

Jag has one good Game Tempest !

3DO hasnt even got one

[languid dune]

Blasphemy!

[formal elk]

I made a functioning N64 Daemonbite Adapter today, I used timville's 4dapter code. I had to change the wiring on the Arduino pro micro a little from the schematic, and then uploaded the 4dapter_FW-HID code. Works perfectly.

[raw oriole]

doesn’t come up with a counterexample

[mild ether]

Twisted

Road Rash

[vagrant ivy]

RoadRash is on many consoles

its not a unique game

[elder scroll]

Oh! That's huge because I was having the worst time with Shadows of the Empire last night.

[mild ether]

It's the best version of the game.

[raw oriole]

Absolutely not

[vagrant ivy]

I think the Megadrive one is best

thats the fun thing about opinions

every one has a different one

[abstract slate]

Can you say a little more about this? It looks cool.

[wanton sun]

flickering is(was) a RDP issue

[mild ether]

You did solicit opinions.

[vagrant ivy]

no Jamie did !

anyway the 3DO has its own thread, so the N64 thread isnt the right place for it

[quaint pewter]

was?

[vagrant ivy]

Tier 100 patrons have the fixed version !

just up your patreon to over 5000 euro a month !

and for the gullible. this is a joke don't do this !

[wanton sun]

😦

[woeful beacon]

yeah I only know one friend who has done it, let me link the guide

https://medium.com/@NanoGameReviews/sega-saturn-d-pad-joy-con-mod-guide-for-nintendo-switch-390d2425da90

the big issue is how far up it sits, so and also the vertical position

[wanton sun]

had to rewrite parts of the rdp command fetching...wanted to do this for a while now, but today you have to live with it. It may break stuff, but the flicker is gone in all games i tested

plus no longer pauses in pilot wings unless i was very lucky (did 5 stages)

[weary perch]

holy macaroni, that's huge 😮

[elder scroll]

I'm stunned at how quickly the N64 core has improved. It's only been in beta for...what? 3-4 months?

[quaint pewter]

no more audio stutter landing on the first mission?

[tidal glade]

https://tenor.com/view/river-plate-fuerza-robert-robert-rojas-monumental-gif-25372414

That's Robert

[elder scroll]

Lol

[vapid hawk]

whats fixed ? flicker ? is that the edge pixels on some objects ? (bk ants ?)

[elder scroll]

Yeah, Robert has worked tirelessly on it. I wanted to wait until a lot more stuff was playable. Now I gotta dial in the control settings.

[woeful beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-you-are-breathtaking-beautiful-amazing-wow-gif-23919685

@wanton sun

[wanton sun]

no not the border pixels of the ants, but the flickering text that is in basically all games and other flicker e.g. mischief makers, puzzle bobble, ...

[vapid hawk]

ahh

duke nukem64 had a lot of that

thanks!

[wanton sun]

seems to also fix some other things. Didn't puzzle bobble hang randomly?

[vapid hawk]

oh

maybe it will fix hanging in quake/doom64

[empty cliff]

hype

[chrome quest]

It did hang yeah

[wanton sun]

well, i made it to the credits if that means anything

[fair stump]

Completable!

[wanton sun]

it has some "special" images if you win it seems...

[tepid gorge]

Diddy Kong Racing?

[wanton sun]

yes, it had a lot of flickering text, it's gone

[marble cargo]

I'm guessing that magenta tinted water in Diddy Kong Racing isn't fix yet?

[wanton sun]

didn't check but have no reason to think it would be fixed

[marble cargo]

Okay. That is like the only issue Diddy Kong Racing has now.

[languid dune]

Nice! Hearing about this upcoming update is exciting!

[mellow path]

I like the sound of this "was".

[weary perch]

there's a fair few games where the only notable issues are with flickering text/UI so this update will bring a new round of games to nearly-perfect

[wind helm]

maybe Magical Tetris Challenge, I love this game and it has some glichtes

[latent galleon]

it really is a lot of games

[weary perch]

AeroGauge, Excitebike 64, F1 Pole Position, MK Mythologies, Rally Challenge 2000, Rampage 2, Tetrisphere

all games where the only obvious issue currently is flicker

this core is incredible 😄

i think this will also bring Quest 64 to near-perfect

pink compass was just fixed, and the text flicker is the last issue i've seen with that one in 1011 core

[quaint pewter]

Shiren has a bit of flickering, but main issue is save still not working for some bizarre reason

[weary perch]

Aidyn Chronicles has very infrequent/minor flicker but only on polygons/geometry, hadn't seen it happen with any text in that game

[fair stump]

I believe stunt racer 64 has a bunch of texture flickering if that's what is being talked about

[abstract slate]

Awesome

[fair stump]

Is this specifically text flickering?

[vapid hawk]

i think it can be any kind of sprite or something

text just makes it really obvious because its a lot of them all together

[wanton sun]

what happened was that some draw commands that span multiple 64bit words could be broken in a kind that the command was ignored completely or drawing something different

not sure why text was hit most, but could be that tiny polygons are just more difficult to see

[fair stump]

Powerpuff girls would be a good check possibly

[weary perch]

SF rush has a 100% reproducible flicker on the main menu

if you hover "setup" you'll see one immediately

PIlotwings 64 also has flicker immediately, on the title screen - super quick to test

[daring meteor]

Very nice, today's update sounds like it will not only fix Puzzle bobble - But, more importantly, JEOPARDY

[weary perch]

as far as the polygon flicker

the best test i've seen is changing the camera angle within the house in Animal Forest

when switching between the medium and far cameras (i think it's those), you'll get a little polygon flicker in the middle of the wall

[woven olive]

maybe this update will finally fix menus and story mode in these aki wrestling games?

[hollow rune]

wandering around in SEGA Saturn land today. I have yet to try the core

[native mesa]

Nice. I'll have to check see through crates and walls at far distances in OOT

[fair stump]

Same, absolutely wild stuff there

[solemn maple]

Playing Cotton 2 right now. Real fun with great graphics and music

[hollow rune]

I know like none of these games, so I don't feel comfortable contributing to testing, but I can't wait to see what it all looks like

[hollow rune]

Did you get it to work?

[fair stump]

Yeah

[final walrus]

Has this been known? Audio skipping when hardware is taxed

[karmic locust]

any update script for this like the saturn test cores?

[fierce girder]

Check the pins and https://vampier.net/N64

[karmic locust]

nvm vampier script ok

[fierce girder]

You got it 👏

[weary palm]

Biggest .rbf yet, should we be worried?

[final walrus]

Welp, audio cut out completely in west clock town at night and when I wanted to reset the cycle the game softlocked at the music notes… so much for my progress

[languid dune]

Fantasic game!

[latent galleon]

hey 1-4 gamepads is also working, glad that was sorted

[wanton sun]

maybe? i left signaltap in in case regressions are found 😅

[wanton sun]

hmm, this was supposed to be fixed for a while now

maybe there are some cases where it still happens?

[final walrus]

Core was from the 11th

[fair stump]

Powerpuff girls still flicker in and out of visibility unfortunately

[final walrus]

Unlesssssss maybe I picked the wrong one from the list in the menu? I have a way to check, one moment

[wanton sun]

if the core has any VI options in OSD then it's new enough

most likely it's still not fully fixed

[final walrus]

I have since closed the core. But I changed the wrong control setup only in the one I was playing. So if the new core is still wrong then that means I was playing the old core

[native mesa]

I just did a full MM playthrough without audio issues

[fair stump]

Interesting how I now notice the film grain effect on black screens

I can mark jeopardy as playable but I'll let someone else roll credits 😅

[native mesa]

The only thing that seemed off I MM was ending cutscenes timing. It was a little slow

[final walrus]

Well duh, the cores share the config. So no way to tell for sure if I just wasn’t being stupid

[wanton sun]

well you can try again with the newer one and test if sound still has issues

[final walrus]

That’s the idea

[wanton sun]

do you know which version(s) you used?

[final walrus]

I was using USA normie version

[native mesa]

I can beat it again and film if it helps. NTSC USA

[wanton sun]

sorry, core version i mean

[native mesa]

Oh um let me see

[final walrus]

Oh no, how painful. Due to the nature the owl statues work I have lost all of my progress and I’m now a deku scrub again

[languid dune]

Nice! All the graphical issues in Mortal Kombat Trilogy are fixed! Kung Lao's head is no longer cut off on the character select screen!

[final walrus]

The possible older version would be 19.9.

[native mesa]

#1096015979055697940 message

[quick arch]

Someone knows how to start a new game for Toon Panic (proto). I think it could be link to 4 controllers are connected but it is still not want to enter in game with just one controller connected ?

[wanton sun]

makes sense, the rsp bug was fixed in 22.9

[native mesa]

So latest build on 10/9

[wanton sun]

thank you, so most likely it was the old build causing the issue

[languid dune]

Same with Mischief Makers! All sprite flickering is fixed!!

This is a seriously good update.

[final walrus]

Yeah, dancers perform well in the newer build. Deffo gonna delete the old one right now

[compact depot]

Is Automobili Lamborghini fixed?

[wanton sun]

strange, it's like all characters are locked

[final walrus]

Sorry for causing confusion

[marble cargo]

That annoying glitched square in Puyo Puyo Sun 64 is now gone. The bug with divot was also fixed apparently.

[quick arch]

yes I need to dig information of this proto maybe it is normal

[daring meteor]

Quake seems to not crash

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-fate-mask-majora-gif-9229169

[zenith orchid]

Oh snap, what about Doom64?

[daring meteor]

Works too

[languid dune]

So many games are fixed now. So good.

[zenith orchid]

oh thank goodness

[wanton sun]

finally a way to play doom 🙃

[languid dune]

Doom still isn't fixed.

[wanton sun]

but i guess it doesn't render correct?

[zenith orchid]

Doom64 is a rather unique experience

[languid dune]

Red squares everywhere.

[zenith orchid]

red backgrounds in 2d graphics

[daring meteor]

Doom looks too dark but maybe its intended

[zenith orchid]

same issue in quake2

[teal oyster]

is it just me or is that N64 port of Quake extremely impressive

[topaz otter]

doom 64 is always dark

I think they messed up the gamma when they shipped it

[zenith orchid]

the brightness setting on the ingame setting is all the way down by default

[topaz otter]

its a great port

[languid dune]

At least Doom 64 doesn't seem to crash anymore. But yeah, its visuals are still broken.

[teal oyster]

I'd never tried it before this core, and I was really impressed, I didn't think the n64 was nearly that capable

[daring meteor]

So that's the random crash problem Robert was worried about fixed, very nice, excellent update today Robert

[zenith orchid]

it doesn't seem like it was intended to use gamma

I think they just left the brightness setting all the way down by default

[teal oyster]

So today's build fixes the quake crash? I had it crash just last night on the last build.

[mild ether]

I know running Doom is a meme but the N64 version is really a totally new game.

[daring meteor]

Seems like it

[teal oyster]

dope

[daring meteor]

I played the first level without any problems

[zenith orchid]

does bust a move 99 still hang ingame?

[topaz otter]

i seem to remember a story about right before they shipped it someone at midway made a mistake

[weary perch]

you can see the effects of the mistake by booting the JP version of Doom 64

[fair stump]

Stunt Racer 64 still has the texture issue. Maybe it's a similar problem to the THPS games

[weary perch]

they corrected the issue there

it has green blood, though 😄

[zenith orchid]

someone made a patch enabling gamma, and it looked so different from how the game was marketed

[daring meteor]

I heard not

[zenith orchid]

here's how it looks

[daring meteor]

Yeah the core is correct than haha

[zenith orchid]

Gamma doesn't look right, but if forced VI features were added to the core and you were to force gamma, it would be yet another way to play the game

[daring meteor]

I can't see anything

Surprised the game released like this

[zenith orchid]

yeah, not everyone figured out that you can increase brightness in the menu

so that probably hurt over all sales

[weary perch]

even if you crank the brightness on USA retail Doom 64, the colors get kinda washed out

in the Japanese version it has a sensible default and the colors aren't washed out

[golden pilot]

Killer Instinct Gold still locks up 😢

[weary perch]

i think there's a code to change the green blood back to red as it is still there in the ROM

haven't tried that Gamma hack, curious if that ends looking the same as JP

[native mesa]

Doom 64 is canon yeah?

[quick arch]

Puyo Puyo Sun 64 redender corretly on demo mode ! no more black part

[hollow orbit]

As much as I love authenticity and weird controllers… I’ll stick with Doom 64 remake

[odd vector]

Tldr what new heavy hitters do work?

[hollow orbit]

Yep. The recent remaster even added some bridging text to connect it to 2016/Eternal

[marble cargo]

Yeah, Puyo Puyo Sun 64 seems pretty flawless now.

[native mesa]

Doom > Doom 2 > Doom 64 > Doom 2016 > Doom Eternal

[woven olive]

No change in AKI wrestling engine games. but hey, no regressions either!

[daring meteor]

If Doom 64 is so good why isn't there Doom 65

[native mesa]

They skipped to Doom 95

[hollow orbit]

I say every doom is canon. Every level pack is canon. Every wad. Even the shitty ones you and I made and gave up on.

[fair stump]

@zinc dew in shambles

[hollow orbit]

After Doom 64 he stuck wandering the multiverse and played in every single Doom Wad ever made.

That’s why he’s crazy

Cuz have you seen some of those wads?

Yes even the hentai wads

[native mesa]

He's also the grandson of BJ and Commander Keen

[hollow orbit]

I see you typing

[quick arch]

Text boxes on Ogre Battle 64 are fixed !

[hollow orbit]

Doom guy spent an infinity of eternities battling through every horrible (or good) level anyone ever created in doomed and in those where he died, he went back to hell and fought his way out only to get stuck in another.

[viscid gate]

Seems same behaviour in Project64

[hollow rune]

Holy Pizza rolls, there is a new N64 build

gotta switch controllers

[cerulean elk]

so Jeopardy works? what else I miss? @languid dune I saw your MK comment

was doing voice overs

[quick arch]

thank you for the check

[weary perch]

seems Jeopardy, Pilotwings 64, Puzzle Bobble are ones to check on

[odd vector]

Diddy Kong Racing flickering fixed

[daring meteor]

And Quake, and Doom if you don't mind seeing Red

[stuck summit]

LOL

[cerulean elk]

so Doom doesnt crash now?

[quick arch]

Player screen of KI Gold is better 🙂

[hollow rune]

The black line from Dark rift is gone

NIiiki glitch is fixed!

This is a big deal

I waited so long for this ugly game to be playable

[daring meteor]

Nope

[weary palm]

First Doom is the best one?

[lean spruce]

Ultimate Doom was the best back then

[weary palm]

I'm a Quake man, and Doom II is better Doom 😉

[lean spruce]

yeah, I´m a quake guy myself too. But of the Doom games I liked Ultimate Doom the most back then

Quake 1 in this corel looks amazing

[wanton sun]

seems no regression so far? very good, so i better leave now and sleep well, have fun 🙂

[left depot]

Sleep well, thank you!

[spare meadow]

Is it playable?

[hollow orbit]

I’m pretty sure he was posting the “canonical” timeline.

[quick arch]

no still hangs when in enter on game

[left depot]

Oh, I didn't realize it was chronological. Greater than signs threw me off

I def disagreed with the order lol

[weary palm]

Have you played that weird WAD called "My House"?

[native mesa]

The chicken can bee seen through this crate. Is this something that happens on original hardware?

[hollow orbit]

The new one that’s awesome? Yep.

[left depot]

Huh, from March of this year

[weary palm]

I believe so

[weary beacon]

MKT gfx fixed!

[hollow orbit]

I wish I’d been checking in on Doomworld when myhouse.wad hit. The live discussions and puzzle hunting and stuff I saw afterwards was great.

[hollow rune]

we need a OG hardware person for batches of games

I just hate hooking everything up, but I know this will be needed

[weary perch]

yes, this occurs on hardware

[quasi basalt]

Gamepad support in the OSD is great. Thank you!

[weary perch]

the only issues i noticed in Ocarina were tiny little artifacts on effects swirls and according to some people there is some de-sync in the collapse due to the core running a bit fast

there's a lot of stuff in Ocarina so there could be more issues, but it is already looking extremely good

[hollow rune]

I think Pilotwings is fully ready to go

[weary perch]

that's exciting! the framerate can be rough, but Pilotwings hits a good little niche and is very enjoyable for what it is

[languid dune]

Doom 64 doesn't seem to crash anymore, but the visuals are still messed up (red boxes, etc.). All 2D games I tried no longer have sprites flickering in and out of existence (e.g., MK Trilogy, Mischief Makers, Puzzle Bobble). Great update all around so far!

[cerulean elk]

noted...will be in the Sunday vid then

thanks @languid dune

I have something for you in today's vid btw lol

[hollow rune]

All the issues @fair stump reported in teh puzzle bobble games are gone

[languid dune]

You spoil me!

[weary palm]

Even the Virtual Console version on Wii runs too fast.

[cerulean elk]

the freezing?

[hollow rune]

yeah, it ran just fine for me. on 99 there seem to be some animations missing on stage transitions

[chilly ember]

So quake doesn't crash anymore?

[native mesa]

No 8bitdo modkit rumble yet?

[chilly ember]

It works in switch mode

[hollow rune]

@cerulean elk How do you get your side by side footage. Do you just use attract modes or do you have a way to control Mister and OG hardware?

[native mesa]

I have it in switch mode

[cerulean elk]

like for sync?

[hollow rune]

yeah to test sync

[cerulean elk]

generally I use a constant. Attract mode, etc

something I can sync a frame up to and then let it run to see if it gets out of sync

in actual gameplay that's basically impossible to do for obv reasons

[chilly ember]

Quest 64 was crashing a few builds ago randomly but I left it on with Brian running in circles for the last 7 hours to train agility in October 11th build. Brian's still running in circles so it's probably fine

[cerulean elk]

I will have to mention Puzzle Bobble improvements sunday

[hollow rune]

wait, we can write Quest 64 again?

[cunning mantle]

Nice, NBA Hangtime works now too. Still a fun game

[chilly ember]

Yea for a few days now haha

[hollow rune]

Who opened the Door of Time on that one?

[chilly ember]

I'm assuming kitrinx

[hollow rune]

Pilotwings is perfect.

maybe a little weirdness on teh character select

[visual mortar]

Yes it works in switch mode, but switch mode is bugged...impossible to reconnect after reboot mister

[hollow rune]

This just in, no more flashing HUD in Mortal Kombat Mythologies

[daring meteor]

Quest 64 fans rejoice

[left depot]

There's more than one?

[wind helm]

Magical Tetris Challenge continues to have the same glitches but I already had a feeling that that it wouldn't be fixed

[uncut gyro]

Blessing made this joke about Donkey Kong 65 last year on a kindafunny podcast

[weary palm]

Any flickering letters in Diddy Kong Racing's attract mode?

[hollow rune]

nope

still purple water though

Mortal Kombat never met a palette swap it didn't like

but I can't get it to freeze anymore

[toxic pumice]

Is there a post somewhere that highlights what different error codes mean?

I'm getting E0000040 on F-Zero X which should run, not sure what that code is and can't find a reference to it anywhere

[chilly ember]

You can put the error code in on vampiers site

https://vampier.net/N64/

[toxic pumice]

Ok thank you, appreciate that

[woeful grove]

Quest 64 conversation is highly encouraged. Talk about it all day.

[thorn flax]

just chipping in to say no change on the sprite flicker found in Magical Tetris Challenge.

[wind helm]

thank you!

I already said the same, thanks for the confirmation 🙂

[grizzled phoenix]

the latest version fixes Puyo Puyo Sun 64 (JP). During the intro there was a block in the lower left corner that was showing the wrong content and flickering. But since the VI components were finished, the intro has a weird washed out look with some shimmering and some parts of the animated characters seem to be translucent. This only shows up in the first run. If you let the intro finish and wait for it to repeat after the game demo, all is fine. Looks like something is not initialized properly. In fact, the very first screen with the Act against Aids campaign is really broken in the first run, but totally fine in the second.

[wind helm]

oh Puyo Puyo Sun is perfect now ? nice!

I am a big fan of puzzle games such as Tetris, Bust-A-Move, Puyo Puyo Sun, so please don't be surprised if I mention these games often

[quick arch]

have you tried with a clean start ?

[grizzled phoenix]

yes, I always try this game to see the progress

I start the core after a cold start of MiSTer and then straight load the game

the weird look is repeatable

and very visible on the first image

but, as mentioned, it fixes itself by letting the game demo run once

[quick arch]

Thanks I will check again on my side 🙂

[left depot]

Was it running for you before

[uncut gyro]

^ seemingly not a regression, but probably another symptom of a widespread issue that’s not immediately obvious in other games @wanton sun

[woeful grove]

that's it pepsi man is getting banned

[thorn flax]

...
why ping the core maker?

[quick arch]

Yes the first run have issues

[short trellis]

I’m getting bitcrushed/distorted sound on the latest version. Other cores work fine. I’m running latest unstable.

[grizzled phoenix]

sorry, did not take pictures

[wraith estuary]

No Pepsi Man!

[short trellis]

I don’t know if it was the remedy but the issue cleared when I ran a PAL game 🤔
I tried several cold reboots before that, and it didn’t change anything.

[uncut gyro]

It can be tough for him to sift through feedback that comes in while he’s asleep/offline, so boosting particular details with a mention can help with what to prioritize in terms of debugging.

[vapid moat]

Brian's finally free?

[wraith estuary]

I actually think it's a trap. They're going to see who is spamming Quest 64 and then come back and ban us all. 🔥

[woeful grove]

[mellow path]

Everything looks fine with this.

[chrome quest]

Regarding earlier chat on trying to bind 1 physical controller to 2 controllers (for those 4 games that use such a thing):
Just experimented a bit with "no_merge_vidpid", and unless I'm missing something I don't think that will work.
Perhaps that setting is for controllers where other devices would already see 2 controllers from say 1 arcade stick connection, but may need to be foreced on MiSTer given how things are handled.

Couldn't make my right stick Player 2.
Although, the fun really is holding 2 physcial controllers. We are robbing ourselves pursuing this path. Embrace the N64 of it all

[hollow rune]

The Münchner Kindl will protect us

[solemn marlin]

I've always done it by mapping c to stick but I guess 2 controllers would allow for higher accuracy since both sticks would then be analogue?

[wraith estuary]

lolwut 🤣

[chrome quest]

That's a different use case entirely, not really an accuracy benefit in general. There are about 4 games listed above that use this odd dual controller setup. You can only get any advantage at all for those 4 games alone (credit to: meauxdal (elle))

• GoldenEye 007
• Perfect Dark
• Robotron 64
• Star Wars Episode I Racer (unlocked with a code)

[mellow path]

Can anyone confirm that they are able to do up-left, down-left diagonal inputs when SWAP Analog<->DPad is enabled in Mischief Makers with a n64-style notched controller? (n64 will do, but gc ideally)

[hollow rune]

Sometimes something magical happens, and it did this year at Oktoberfest

[solemn marlin]

God didn't intend for man to play with two n64 controllers

[weary perch]

Rally Challenge 2000 seems near-perfect now. flickering all gone, and that was the only visible issue previously

Polaris Snocross confirmed still crashes before a single race (usually a single lap) can be completed

[wraith estuary]

obligatory

[chilly ember]

I kinda want one

[solemn marlin]

So does it feel good? Would mapping both sticks to one controller unleash the full potential of the n64?

[cerulean elk]

the best version of the game

[chrome quest]

But seriously if this would take some bizarre MiSTer level change, or eat into core resources, it isn't much of anything.
Don't know if it would help accessibility in general either really, splitting 1 controller into many....

[hollow rune]

How is the kitty?

[chrome quest]

Feels good in Racer, difficult to control, but very interesting

[weary perch]

it's somewhat worthwhile for the games that use it, but given that's only 4 games, it is quite niche

[wraith estuary]

I mean... I get it. this is more of a controller collecting discord server than anything

[weary perch]

it's a maybe nice to have bonus down the line when the core is more or less finalized

[solemn marlin]

I'd settle for any inclusion of dual stick, only reason I wasn't thinking of two controllers on one is because it seemed to obviously be the more difficult one to implement

Also never tried it tbh

[cerulean elk]

kitty is good

he had a little cold but we got him some medicine at the vet and he's now just a small tiger in disguise

[chrome quest]

I think that's the only kind of dual stick you'll ever get on N64 though. I just wanted to experiment with the "no_merge_vidpid" as it was suggested in chat a while back but I couldn't see anyone mention testing it.

[daring meteor]

What buttons do these 4 games use?

I can whip up a special core release just for them

[chrome quest]

Good question. I'll try to dig out manuals. Pod Racer's being behind a cheat doesn't really make any of it surface level

[cerulean elk]

N64 vid is live with work on Sunday's already underway lol...never rest

[vapid hawk]

anyone tried duke3d on todays build?

[daring meteor]

Also 1 player only or 2 player possible?

[chilly ember]

Was duke3d crashing before?

[lament escarp]

Great, my mister is migrating to a bigger sd card right now so I can't use it for a couple of hours. Was afraid I had to go without mister entertainment for the time

[vapid hawk]

yeah it could crash (quite rare) but also a lot of flickering sprites/hud elements

[solemn marlin]

I kind of got it working by mapping c buttons to one stick tho or that doesn't count? Or it can't be done as a setting?

[cerulean elk]

I need to do a new card build myself

[lament escarp]

I'm using the migrate_sd script. It's supposed to make a perfect clone of the card on the new card. I'll tell you how it went.

[cerulean elk]

yeah lmk. Id have done some weird command line thing if left to my own devices

[lament escarp]

https://github.com/Natrox/MiSTer_Utils_Natrox this is the github link. Another user recommended it to me who used it a few days ago.

[cerulean elk]

thanks I will check it out!

[lament escarp]

🙂

[chrome quest]

Going to need collective effort on this I think. Can't find anything on racer alone, I was only experimenting in game myself.
At a higher level;
1 player (2 ports), or 2 player (4 ports used): Not sure
Different games use different combos: eg. Pod Racer Player 1 becomes (Port 1 + Port 3). Perfect Dark I believe uses Port 1 + 2.
Not really experimented much myself.

[weary perch]

there are several "2.x" control schemes in Goldeneye. i think all of them also exist in PD, so no one true scheme for this

[weary perch]

2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 are all available there, and use different buttons

[daring meteor]

I'll try adding new buttons I guess

[vapid hawk]

yeah duke looks way better

[weary perch]

Star Wars Racer and Robotron 64 i think should be straightforward

GE and PD might be more complicated with 4 different 1p2c options

[vapid hawk]

duke might even be perfect/completable now

[weary perch]

i guess for the "modern twin stick" stuff, the idea would be to get a "Swap Analog Stick with C-Buttons" type toggle

[solemn marlin]

That's also why the single controller is a bit more ideal, they all only have one setting that makes sense with c buttons on left stick

[weary perch]

for Turok defaults and quite a few other games

[vapid hawk]

i think practically every shooter has some mode like that

[weary perch]

yeah it's quite common

so that function would be a pretty good get at some point

[vapid hawk]

i'd definitely do something for that case first then look at the much shorter list of two-controller-two-sticks type games

[daring meteor]

Let's see, I added AB Z C buttons

[solemn marlin]

Praise the 64 devs for being unable to find one ideal controller style fpses so they made several ones

[daring meteor]

I am doing it core-wise, not mister main through

If anyone cares (Robert might do if I make it a toggle and ask to put it in)

[chrome quest]

Not sure about Pod Racer yet, but for GoldenEye and PD, you seemingly can do 2 player, each with a dual setup

[daring meteor]

I do it 1 player for the time being, if this works people here could think about a better implementation

[chrome quest]

Cool experiment definately

[solemn marlin]

I want it more than anything tbh, hope you can get it to work

[daring meteor]

Its not a big patch

Just add some buttons, right stick, and change bindings

[elder scroll]

BOARDTHEPLATFORMS

[solemn marlin]

So it will be like a switch in the core? And you don't need to do anything in main?

[elder scroll]

I love that Smash 64 is working so well and feels smooth as butter.

[weary perch]

i think the one Jaha wants is a toggle like the Analog-DPAD one but for Analog-CButtons, but Kasher is still talking about 1p2c

[daring meteor]

Yeah I'm doing 1p2c

[chilly ember]

Did you try smash remix? It's even better

[solemn marlin]

Oh

[daring meteor]

Analog-Cbuttons is probably even easier

[elder scroll]

I'm not one for ROM hacks. I wanna play games as I remember them.

And Smash was a huge breakthrough for me and my sister's relationship.

[solemn marlin]

I haven't tried 1p2c so can't say anything, it'd be interesting to see

[daring meteor]

Analog-Cbuttons, if done like the dpad, will ruin analog so its not ideal

On analog-dpad swap its not a big problem since you're almost always gonna bind dpad to a dpad

On cbuttons you sometimes map them to analog

[elder scroll]

The C-buttons mapped to analog is the best most of us have right now. I'm using an Xbox Series controller to play, and it's not bad.

But man did Nintendo dial in that sensitivity with the N64 control stick. Has anyone been able to come close with it?

[daring meteor]

Build in hand, Here's hoping

[solemn marlin]

I'm not an elitist about ruining the analog but not gonna knock the alternative if it works

[weary perch]

i guess if there was a higher level "Swap analog sticks" function that could also work - that might be more of a mister main thing though

[daring meteor]

Seems to work but I tested Mario Kart because Robotron 64 is weird and I don't have patched pd

(This is the only changed file)

[elder scroll]

Would that new N64 rbf have fixes for Rogue Squadron?

[solemn marlin]

Oh nice, thanks man, you know if twine has that 2 controller style?

[weary perch]

this is a test build for 2 controllers mapped to 1, so i doubt it

TWINE does not have 1p2c support

[daring meteor]

It's just today's build but with 1p2c

[solemn marlin]

I have patched pd, will try

[daring meteor]

If today's newest build has fixed Rogue Squadron than it works

[silent marten]

It didn't I already tested that one

All the crashes that I know of seem to be fixed though 🙂

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah I didn't try Robotron because the text is broken

[chrome quest]

PD works (at least the sticks, will try and shoot something).
Unfortunately the PD scheme has Movement on Player 2 stick, shooting on Player 1 stick. So yeah, if this was to be a thing, there'd be a right mess of alternative configurations needed

[jade jetty]

I think this core is what is hard-coding the first stick = analog stick, not mister main?
Haven't really spent a lot of time trying swapping things out in other cores, though. trying to get turok to feel nice on earlier n64 cores w/ a dual stick controller was kinda my only experience with messing around with that.

[daring meteor]

You could just swap the sticks than

[jade jetty]

kinda a separate discussion from 1p2c tho

[daring meteor]

Robotron defaults seem to be movement on P1, but you can change it anyway

[chrome quest]

Guess stick swap needs to be from Main

[daring meteor]

Not really, as in, the setting that does 1p2c would also automatically stick swap

Oh wait actually Star Wars

[chrome quest]

P1 + P3 on that yeah

[daring meteor]

Oh its P1+P3 on it?

My version does P1+P2

[chrome quest]

Bizarrely yes

[weary palm]

Maybe the configuration can be inside the database file and then just toggle it in the menu

[daring meteor]

So:

PD (+Goldeneye) needs P1+P2 and stick swap

Robotron needs P1+P2 and ideally no stick swap but no biggie

Pod racer needs P1+P3 and probably no stick swap

The changes I did are really simple so if anyone wants to edit its not that hard

[weary palm]

With pd decompiled i think it's very feasible to edit the control schemes too.

[daring meteor]

Yeah, and Goldenye too haha

But considering the main reason for this core mod is pd/goldeneye its no biggie

[shell bone]

Late response but probably worthy of feedback.

I had a cheap Chinese USB N64 controller arrive today as a curiosity. To be honest, I've been quite impressed with the responsiveness in Windows emulation. Whilst a bit light, it responds well on all axis and button presses this far. Analog springs back to zero point.

MiSTer allows everything to be mapped, so that's good. The issue is after mapping, the core oddly doesn't respond to button presses aside from d-pad, analog stick and B. I can remap again just fine. Save changes. Same issue. Restart the core. Same thing. I'll experiment more, check the reported VID and device ID tomorrow etc. Assuming Xinput.

Least I know all is well in Windows, so it should be possible to get this working with some light finessing.

Latest core and unstable MiSTer.

[solemn marlin]

What controller setting was ideal for pd? Was it one of the 2.x ones?

[daring meteor]

2.2

Or 2.4

My build needs stick swap tho

[weary beacon]

PD seems to be more stable with the last core update, it didn't crash when I tested it 🙂

[silent marten]

OK rugrats in Paris still has random crashes and they are very random

[chrome quest]

First I loaded this test build it worked automatically. Once I tried to remap inputs in the core, I can't get P2 Up or other directions to work.
Initially I loaded in with my 2 stick modern controller and it had just worked, backed out only to swap the sticks on main thinking there is no stick swap yet.
Is P2 Up mapping Player 2 Analog stick up?

Also, Player 2 needs Z, that didn't get prompted in the button setup in the core

[daring meteor]

P2 Up is C button

[chrome quest]

Got ya. Restarted and redid inputs. Movement all perfect now. Just the Z button needed for P2 I think for the shooter controls

[solemn marlin]

Yea 2.2 seems to be the one (with sticks switched) but for some reason it only works when swap analog w dpad is off for me

[daring meteor]

Yeah I forgot to write Z

(P2 up should mean Z technically, lol)

(Because I forgot to write Z)

[chrome quest]

Don't need P2 Z Aim for Perfect Dark mind. It's like I'm playing an Xbox 360 game! Skipped 3DO by a long mile 🤣

[zenith orchid]

man its so nice that Doom64, Quake, and two of the puzzle bobbles can go into the playable column

this is a fantastic update

and maybe PD doesn't have intermittent hangs anymore

[chrome quest]

I don't think P2 B is working either, at least not as P2 B if Perfect Dark controls menu is to be believed @daring meteor

[silent marten]

@wanton sun bit 19 One of the DDR3 requesters wants to write or read outside of RDRAM for Rugrats In Paris (Error Code was E0080000)

[daring meteor]

Right again, I was dumb again

I really need to double check myself

[zenith orchid]

It seems the KI fighter select screen no longer has visual artifacts

[daring meteor]

Someone ping me in like 10 hours and I'll give a fixed build with stick swapping

(Unless someone else reads the changes I did to n64.sv cause they're fairly minor)

[weary beacon]

OoT attract mode still has the weird white triangle when going into the tunnel.

[native mesa]

I know some enterprising person would get us a nice 2in1 controller setup

[zenith orchid]

did anything break in this update? I remember Robert was concerned about that

[knotty zealot]

something broke for me for sure

[solemn marlin]

I'll be on you like something sticky, however I think I might've screwed something up with my mapping so can't review anything tbh

How does one completely erase everything regarding input, I get the same weird double inputs across cores when I press stick 1 up, I look up and walk forward at the same time for both psx and n64

[round hull]

i finished the first level of doom 64 without it friezing

[zenith orchid]

I noticed that Doom64 plays pretty well even the the brightness setting in the middle. I really think the default brightness being at 0 was a bug in the game

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune do you have two accounts on YT?

[manic basin]

Now THAT'S Podracing!

[cerulean elk]

Brings a whole new meaning to double fisting (the drinking you creeps…)

[manic basin]

Edward 64 Hands

Something something blue french horn bob saget.

[hearty oar]

That’s how many hands you’ll need to reach all the controls

[solemn marlin]

Nvm just deleted the .map files in the config folder and it works, I'm dumb

[manic basin]

Oof

[waxen bear]

Interesting read. Is there a rom patch available to set Doom 64 to the correct brightness?

[manic basin]

Oh good, there's an ips... I was capturing today and noticed that. I'd never heard the story. Thanks @zinc dew !

[manic basin]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5544/

[zenith orchid]

it just sets the brightness in the game menu to max by default. it's a good QoL hack

though I think medium brightness is also good

[vapid hawk]

there is a really good romhack for doom64

it does a lot more than brightness though

[zenith orchid]

yeah, complete edition, it backports features and content from the switch re-release if I remember right

[vapid hawk]

quake seems really stable now, can't get it to crash

used to take 30 seconds before

[fair stump]

Is RE2 more stable now as well? I keep thinking it's better then it would randomly freeze on the first two screens

Like, in game screens

[zinc dew]

Yeah it was one of the first things I asked Kevin Cloud when I joined id, lol. That and why was Quake 2 so different than the first game.

[vapid hawk]

i completed re2 a while back its pretty stable

biohazard2 still has a crash at the stars office and broken music

[fair stump]

For me, re2 was stable when I would test it then it just wasn't and would freeze

[zenith orchid]

@zinc dew its not as different as q3a vs q2

[vapid hawk]

possibly with re2 its a lot more stable if you disable the expansion pak (set ram to 4mb)

[fair stump]

I'll just keep an eye on re2 occasionally, for my own curiosity 😆

[vapid hawk]

thats how i played it because the 480i thing in that game is annoying

[fair stump]

The bouncing around screen? Yeah, anytime I've tried it it's been with that

[zinc dew]

Yeah but that’s because it became a franchise. Which was the reason Quake 2 was renamed to Q2 so late in development. They wanted to keep banking on the Quake name.

[vapid hawk]

i kinda like the quake2niverse

[zinc dew]

I think it was an Activision call?

[zenith orchid]

never heard of it being renamed, this is news to me. even in my steam library its called quake 2

[zinc dew]

It was originally a different title, it got named to Quake 2 late in development.

I don’t remember what the original name was to be honest.

[zenith orchid]

phh

[vapid hawk]

the original title was... duke nukem forever

dundundunnnnn

[zinc dew]

Yeah which is funny because that still ended up still being its own thing lol.

[manic basin]

Well, at least you weren't grossly misled. Like that time I ordered Wolfenstein.

[vapid hawk]

quake4 is underated

its got a slow start is its problem

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s not bad, I even enjoyed ETQW

for the six months it lived lol

[vapid hawk]

i remember playing like a beta or something then... going back to counterstrike probably lol

[chilly ember]

I played quake 4 once back when it was released on my uncle's Xbox 360 then never looked at it again

[zinc dew]

yeah it was a launch game or near launch game if I remember

[vapid hawk]

360 version was a bit rough

[chilly ember]

Very launch

[vapid hawk]

it came with a dope version of quake2 tho

1080p60 4xMSAA on a launch title 😄

someone put an absolutely shocking amount of effort into that

especially since 360 couldn't even output 1080p at the time

[vapid hawk]

i hope so

[chilly ember]

Quake 5 when?

[onyx minnow]

i'm waiting on commander keen 9

[zinc dew]

Comically someone ported a Keen game to the N64 and it works on the core!

[onyx minnow]

oh nice, i'll have to try that out 🙂

[zinc dew]

https://github.com/Ryzee119/Omnispeak64/releases

[iron bridge]

Hi Robert, thanks for your outstanding work on this core !
I love Mischief Makers and i never had the chance to play it in full RGB as i only own PAL N64s ( plus with some of the VI features disabled it looks awesome on a CRT !! ) .

For me, this game plays like it is supposed i guess, now without flickers on the level's sprites but i just wanna report an issue with the big rock that roll down chasing Marina at level 4-1, it is invisible at the moment.

Anyway im trying to complete it and i'll let you know if i come across some other tiny bugs...

Thanks again, this is my favorite N64 game hands down !

Greetings from switzerland 🌄

[manic basin]

Yeah, I think Robert actually used this in troubleshooting. It plays super well, honestly!

[rough flax]

kinda late to this and idk if robert has any plans for a widescreen hack on this core

but for anyone looking for more games that can fill wide screens... https://retrowsc.wordpress.com/category/nintendo/nintendo-64/

(gamemasterplc's another good source for that stuff too btw)

[chilly ember]

Oh that's neat, there is a widescreen mode on the core but it would just stretch 4:3 games. I didn't realise there was that many widescreen patches out there

Widescreen quest 64 😮

I play the core mostly on a 4:3 crt but those patches are pretty cool if they don't have any issues with culling and the like

Might give me a reason to use my toshiba widescreen crt that gets no love

[manic basin]

@cerulean elk ...no. NO.

[zinc dew]

Wow, a widescreen quest 64 is like getting two quests for one, what a deal!

[chilly ember]

Quest 128

[cerulean elk]

You know what to do

[manic basin]

Sigh

[manic basin]

Oh no, it's on now. https://retrowsc.wordpress.com/2022/04/27/doubutsu-banchou-jp-prototype/

[zinc dew]

Yeah that one works really well

[manic basin]

OK, I guess...keep an eye on your inbox in the morning @cerulean elk.

[zinc dew]

Get the translation patch, it’s great

[manic basin]

Yeah, I've played it a bit already and it's awesome!

The whole game is just outstanding. Very fun.

[uncut gyro]

Can you provide a save state right before the problem happens?

[chilly ember]

Save states are not a thing :(, just normal saving

[uncut gyro]

Okay. What does the error overlay say when you reproduce the issue?

[chilly ember]

I have no idea, i haven't played mischief makers on the core yet at all

Someone's gotta archive all those widescreen patches to the wayback if they haven't been already

[cerulean elk]

To whoever hasn’t played Cubivore. Play it. It transcends being a game and just turns into an experience. 10/10 recommend

[chilly ember]

I played a little bit on gamecube

[desert nest]

Weeeeird... between whatever the last build I had and today's (couldn't have been more than 1-3 versions) my Diddy Kong Racing save got spread across all 3 save files and was reset to 0 balloons. Loaded the save and it froze when trying to skip the intro, thought hmm maybe I'll reload the core entirely and load the game back up... now the save is fine (expected progression) and it's only in the first of the three slots as expected.

Not even sure what to think about that.

It was the first game I loaded up when I started the core both times too, so no cross-game contamination.

[chilly ember]

I've had some weird experiences with saves when trying to convert them for perfect dark tlb hack to test on everdrive but that might just be a user problem. No issues with saves on core except my animal forest save corrupting once

[desert nest]

Yeah I think this was the first save-related weirdness I've run into so far.

[trim seal]

Mortal Kombat Trilogy - All the text is now showing and no flickering sprites - and the Kitana Bio no longer crashes the game! - awesome. There's a bug where Johnny Cage and Baraka's VS screen and bio images are drawn a few lines higher than they're supposed to be, but I don't know if that's a bug in the original as well, and I don't have the cart to test.

[chilly ember]

Saved all the widescreen patches from that site

[cerulean elk]

Nice

[round hull]

jeopardy controller inputs work now

[chilly ember]

Some games only have gameshark codes for widescreen there so it's not everything but i got everything that has a patch

[languid dune]

Just tried a widescreen patch for Wave Race 64. Works like a charm!

[mild ether]

What is one that has a GameShark code but no patch that everyone wants?

[languid dune]

If only there was a way for widescreen patches to be native and not anamorphic widescreen. But that wouldn't be possible on original hardware, so it is what it is.

Anamorphic widescreen can be pretty ugly at lower resolutions like this.

[chilly ember]

https://retrowsc.wordpress.com/2022/05/01/tony-hawks-pro-skater-us/

[carmine kettle]

virus

[chilly ember]

Give it up lol

[mild ether]

I will take a look tomorrow when I am home.

[carmine kettle]

microsoft defender block it

[languid dune]

So far I've tried widescreen patches for Wave Race 64, Mario 64, and Ridge Racer 64. All worked great.

[chilly ember]

They're just bps patches, i don't see why it would block it

[languid dune]

I'm using a Mac, and Apple was like, nah it's all good.

[carmine kettle]

lmao i got a bootleg pc

[languid dune]

Are there any widescreen patches for F-Zero X? I couldn't find any when googling it.

[chilly ember]

I run real time Malwarebytes on my main along side windows defender. Nothing at all that could be a virus

[cerulean elk]

I need to do a widescreen specific vid I think

[chilly ember]

Yea i think so

[languid dune]

By the way, a good way to use the widescreen patches if you don't always want to use them, is to put them in a separate folder (call it whatever, I called mine Widescreen Patches), and then keep the names for the widescreen roms the same as the normal versions. That way you can easily go between the two versions and they will share the same save file and progress will always match between them.

[chilly ember]

I didn't even change my file name for quest 64 widescreen file and it worked with my vanilla save

[zinc dew]

@languid dune is ruining the original experience the devs wanted us to have, Miyamoto shedding a tear right now

[languid dune]

Crushing hopes and dreams is what I do best!

Dang, seems that there is no widescreen patch for OoT 1.0. That's the version I own the cartridge for, so I've only ever played the uncensored version of the game.

[rough flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN67svpB60E

if you just want the download

gamemasterplc has a ton of stuff and he even goes as far as fixing the sprites for 16:9

[languid dune]

[amber saffron]

Is there a widescreen mode in the core now? 😮

[chilly ember]

Yea aspect ratio option in the osd

[amber saffron]

Oh awesome

[chilly ember]

Only going to work with patches tho

If you try it on a game displayed in 4:3, it's just gonna get strectched and look bad

[amber saffron]

Very cool still

[chilly ember]

I agree it's pretty cool

[languid dune]

Dang, the F-Zero X patch doesn't work properly on the core. The game boots, but the visuals are all messed up looking.

[rough flax]

dang, yeah i think his older patches like this were geared more towards emulator compatibility sometimes

try this one

[languid dune]

His Mario Kart 64 patch works great though.

[chilly ember]

I tried it too and the visuals are messed up with that ips patch. I suck at f zero, I have almost 0 experience

[languid dune]

Nice, this one works! The 2D assets are stretched, but the 3D content is correct.

A shame that the one with the corrected 2D elements doesn't work, but it's not a huge deal.

[rough flax]

good to know that the alt patch works on the core! haven't had the chance to update mine yet

but from what i suspect the gamemasterplc patch seems to be doing some kinda interlacing trick that iirc also looks bad on original hardware

[languid dune]

I'll have to test out more of his patches tomorrow.

[river shale]

Is it possible to apply these patches on the fly - like in a separate patch folder or something? Might be able to write a bash script to do something like that…

[wanton sun]

we discussed this before with psx already. The result was: we will not do it

[chilly ember]

Also tried this patch, looks good on the core

[wanton sun]

with all the experience now with the n64database, which is much simpler even to detect a rom than it would be needed for applying a patch, it's clear that it will lead to trouble

[carmine kettle]

what about adding the codes instead of patching ofcourse after the core is done

[zenith orchid]

excellent! if that patch could also disable dithering in the game, it would be perfect.

F-Zero really doesn't have color banding issues that I can see

[weary palm]

Nej förihelvete

[chilly ember]

Det verkar inte så

Fyi i am not swedish

[weary palm]

The code calculate md5 over the whole file as well as just the first 4096 bytes. I still don't think it's a good idea with an autopatcher. What is this, a retron 5?

[zenith orchid]

if widescreen hacks can simply be toggle-able cheat codes in the OSD, that would be convenient

But I don't know how feasible that is

@wanton sun on that note, do you think there'll be a cheat menu for this core?

[latent galleon]

I would literally crumble under the weight of all these questions

So much pressure!

[orchid nimbus]

Cheats yes

One day

Otherwise git gud

[orchid nimbus]

Question for you: what has priority on the ROMDB - product codes or md5?

If it’s product code a what happens when a patch with a product code needs a different pif because it’s a patch?

[left depot]

Good tip, thx

[chilly ember]

Last widescreen f zero video for the night lol

[wanton sun]

maybe, if space is left

as n64 operates on ddr3 only, it could have cheats in mister main, which would be very convenient as it costs nothing inside the core, but not sure if that breaks with the design philosophy

that would also make it open for all the software devs out around here, so much easier to work on

[zenith orchid]

maybe it's cool. I don't see why not

[weary palm]

Md5-4096 => md5 => cartid

I don't add cic or region to games with only cartid. The code detects the cic by analyzing the boot code (0x40–0x1000)

We could probably remove cic all together from the database

Maybe there's a few weird ones though, like those dd and ique conversions.

[daring meteor]

As promised

[weary palm]

2c1p?

[daring meteor]

2c1p fixed

Now as a toggle

And with stick swapping

[weary palm]

Awesome

[wanton sun]

the stick swap might be acceptable for ressources, but those button mappings..i don't think it's understandable

maybe with those weird controls in mind, but not for one who has never even heard of that, which is like 95%+ of the users? Just assuming

[daring meteor]

Ideally there's something in sys that allows you to only bind keys when a certain setting is on

But I don't think there is

[weary palm]

It's good for an experiment 🙂

[wanton sun]

yes i think it's good for a seperate build, but would need to be different to be included in the main build

[daring meteor]

Fair enough, esp considering the low support haha

[wanton sun]

why can't the mapping be automated? i mean, there are not magically additional buttons on the pad? maybe i just don't understand it

[daring meteor]

I don't think mister main maps buttons these high automatically

I think if mapping complexity is an issue we can stick to just Z being mappable

PD+Goldeneye don't care what controller you pressed A/B on, Robotron doesn't use any buttons at all

[pine apex]

Podracer needs P1 and P3

[daring meteor]

Yes, that's why I didn't mention it

[wanton sun]

so e.g. we need 2 Z buttons, but there are no 2 z buttons anyway. So can't there be a sane default of e.g. using (the already mapped) A as second Z or some other?

i would assume a good bunch of buttons are not used in that mode anyway

[daring meteor]

We can use mapped R I think

Probably the best option

[wanton sun]

so if someone wants to use the mode and it doesn't fit for them, R can still be remapped

readme can contain information which button maps to what in this 2->1 mode

[daring meteor]

Yeah, and it should only be P2 Z that gets remapped

[wanton sun]

so only mux for analog stick 1R, Z and 1 bit in OSD overall?

[daring meteor]

Yes
(Technically 2 muxes for the analog stick, since in that mode the right stick is used for P1, not left)

[wanton sun]

sounds ok

[night saddle]

what censorship is in ocarina of time?

lewd faeries?

[viral swift]

Singing Imam in the fire temple

[rose elbow]

https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_Temple_(Theme)

[chilly ember]

Ganon coughs blood in original too

https://youtu.be/VtH5dTQ6vZE?si=mZTLVJn9nkIQ6_VS

[night saddle]

wow thats super interesting! never would have guessed a music track

[daring meteor]

The opposite of Devil's Crush

[rose elbow]

important lesson to always check your sources

Koji I'm looking at you

i feel like there was a big reference CD of samples koji kondo pulled from for zelda

i remember coming across it but not finding it atm

[chilly ember]

I had a dream last night that mario in mario 64 was warping to places in the game that don't exist lol. Too much N64 lately 😣😂

[rose elbow]

sounds like you should check out Super Mario 64 Beta b3313 :)

or just Super Mario 64 b3313*

for some reason mario 64 has a tremendous amount of fan creepypasta content around it aha

[hearty oar]

Reminds me of a video I saw where they dive into where the textures in Mario 64 came from

Here it is: https://youtu.be/bsCN0Yx2Vbs?si=Rs3DEjfEVzppMRaX

[rose elbow]

nice nice! thanks. here's what i was referring to btw, lots of samples pulled from here https://youtu.be/fIJdpViwRFY

[chilly ember]

The weirdest creepy pasta mario 64 hack I played was this

https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=12583

[rose elbow]

is that the ' one ?

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/hGELPPh0SEg?si=AHFl-orvp0hhLp1c

[rose elbow]

for me, 'the is the creepiest i've seen for SMW. might've had something to do with browsing SMW romhacks at 3am one night instead of going to bed and booting into stuff randomly just expecting SMW level packs and getting a creepy pasta thing instead loool. and then Super Mario 64 b3313 is cool too for 64

[brisk edge]

I can't really find Mario 64 scary but I think b3313 touches on a really unique idea with the castle being lots of dead ends, hidden stuff, and just slightly off at points. It is the tiniest bit unsettling, or at least it's hard to wrap your brain around it so it's off-putting. I'd love to see someone do something similar for a whole brand new game

[hearty oar]

I used to be obsessed with Pokémon creepypasta when I was young, just the idea that just outside of the bounds of the normal game world there was a glitch city that was somehow tied in to lavender town and ghost Pokémon and all of that spooky stuff

[chilly ember]

Mario 64 is only a dream, sleep tight. We have to some to do something special for you. There is no such thing as N64, we keep trying to tell you this. It will all be clear when you wake up

[brisk edge]

Reminds me when I was waiting for Melee to release, I had a dream where I had a GameCube and the game, and then I woke up and I was so pissed it was a dream

[chilly ember]

Lol I think I had one of those dreams too back in those days