Nintendo 64

[weary palm]

I wish mister had a decapitated hand somewhere too.

[topaz otter]

oh it was bloodlust software

OH

[mild ether]

Oh, I was completely unaware of the forest of illusion controversy involved in the source code theft until just now.

[topaz otter]

these are the guys that made those super violent dos shareware games

[zealous hull]

Ah, if you don't always have to come up with your own variable names then the hardest part is done for you. 😉

[pale granite]

when you write the emulator for a core, is it written in a certain way that helps port to HDL later, or is it mostly just to try things out and understand the overall hardware design?

[wanton sun]

both. i try to make it somehow fast enough it is useable at all, but mostly do all structure like it could work on a FPGA. E.g. i don't cut corners if it makes the structure impossible in the fpga

[pale granite]

ah I see

I suppose you have to have a certain idea of the possible FPGA code first, then try it out

[wanton sun]

when i write the code in software i often ask myself how i could implement the same logic in a fpga. If i have no idea, i write the software different

i'm not a c++ guru, i write very basic code with only minor use of classes and advanced constructs. that helps a lot. the more c-like it is, the better it fits in hardware often 😅

[pale granite]

makes sense

it's basically using c++ as clay before going to the HDL marble 🙂

[latent galleon]

like it's faster to figure out how it works in c++, then mimic how stuff works on the fpga where it makes sense and use it to debug because it is waaay faster to recompile software

that is my sense from watching you figure stuff out in the emulator anyway

[pale granite]

yeah for sure. I figure I'd look into the FPGAZumSpass emus to learn some tricks, but I guess getting more HDL experience comes first anyway

[wanton sun]

one example from today: i have to change something in the PIF. tryin it in the emulator was 1 minute including writing the code and testing a game with it. In VHDL i don't even have an idea how to write the code in that time

[pale granite]

ah wow

do you use verilator or any tool like that to simulate how the HDL runs?

[wanton sun]

development cycles are so much faster if you just need to test something quick

[pale granite]

(not for the emulator - but to debug the verilog for instance)

[wanton sun]

yes i simulate with modelsim and while it can cover everything, it's very slow, both to set up and to run

[lone geyser]

Smega

[pale granite]

(taking notes... haha)

[wanton sun]

1 second realtime can simulate 0.1ms of the core 🙂

[mild ether]

That's brutal.

[wanton sun]

so typically 1 frame of a 30fps game, loaded with a savestate is around 5 minutes of simulation time

but then you see every signal of the core for every clock cycle that happened. So you only do it once for 2-3 frames and can start analyzing

[manic basin]

<Stares in Arnold Rimmer>

[wanton sun]

but if something only happens every 5 minutes, good luck 😅

[pale granite]

save states become a key debugging tool then

[lone geyser]

Can be used for both the Smega Mastur System and the Smega Drive is all I'm saying

[manic basin]

I mean, the name is a little cheesy, but....

: D

[solemn marlin]

@wanton sun not gonna ping you again but would be really interested in the framerate patches and if you think they'll work eventually

[wanton sun]

i have no idea what they do, but i would assume if they work on hardware, they should work on the core at some point

[solemn marlin]

Yea that sounds reasonable

[versed cairn]

What patch are you talking about specifically? The Mario 64, Diddy Kong racing, and perfect dark performance patches work. Dont know of any that don’t

[orchid nimbus]

Harvest Core Moon

[thorn flax]

my searches on discord and web turned up nothing.

I hate to be that guy, but where that patch at

[waxen bear]

Are these on Romhacking? Didn’t realize they existed

[versed cairn]

They’ve all been shared here over time. Not on romhacking sadly

Mostly built from GitHub

[versed cairn]

Mario Widescreen hack is also in this channel. I can look for it in a little bit for ya

[thorn flax]

👑

here, you dropped this

[iron trail]

This one perhaps? #1096015979055697940 message

[empty cliff]

imagine how unhinged you'd have to be to try and reduce robert's work to "a port"

when he is a yung god of fpga

[iron trail]

Also vampiers FAQ has the widescreen SM64 patch listed @thorn flax https://vampier.net/N64/

[versed cairn]

^these guys beat me to it! thanks

#1096015979055697940 message diddy kong racing patch

#1096015979055697940 message perfect dark patch

[thorn flax]

I missed it. it was there, 2nd from the bottom

[versed cairn]

#1096015979055697940 message super mario 64 patch

[thorn flax]

again. I looked, just didn't see.

I try not to be that guy who just walks in and without even reading a pin just asks for someone else to figure it out for them

[iron trail]

Dude you're good, not everything is in one place (FAQ, pins) and it's a constantly evolving thing. Thank you @versed cairn also for links to the other patches ❤️

[mellow raft]

I think you need to understand there's a difference between hardware decoding and software decoding. The latter is heavily performance intensive. The former is not as it uses the dedicated hardware for it. The N64 does not have this hardware so everything has to be done in software. PS1 can do this far better with it's dedicated hardware decoding silicon.

[wanton sun]

it's not so bad with the RSP vector unit and special video instructions. homebrew FMVs of e.g. badapple or bigbuckbunny show that it's possible, but they cost a lot of space and that is the main issue

[zinc dew]

Everything good? Anything I can do for anyone?

[marble cargo]

Yes I would like to order a bloody mary, with extra horseradish.

[wanton sun]

All fine here i guess? Are you back from your trip?

[zinc dew]

Nah still here in Tampa. Kids are playing in a children’s museum and I finally get to relax after two straight days of 12 hours at theme parks.

[mellow raft]

also a lot of the badapple homebrew use techniques that were not really popular or well known back in the 90's right?

[languid dune]

Your presence is all we need dear Robby. 🥹

[eternal island]

you take a pic holding quest 64?

[zinc dew]

I brought my MiSTer just because of Robert lol. I LOVE N64!!!

[latent galleon]

12 hours is too long

[zinc dew]

yes, oh lord it is

[eternal island]

... no traveling brian. tsk tsk

[languid dune]

lol, all of Robby's vacation photos will be with him and a copy of Brian 64.

[tepid gorge]

I take my MiSTer on most trips and always worry TSA will think it's an explosive

[eternal island]

its ok, just tell them about playing bomberman on roberts new test core

they'll understand

[wanton sun]

i even trusted you for a second 😭

[tepid gorge]

"It's not a bomb, it's the bomb"

[zinc dew]

oh yeah I’m very new here

its a genuine privilege I can give back to the community and help serve the amazing people who give us cores and support the MiSTer project

[deft tree]

i remember robby's first day

[languid dune]

What the darn!? Robby has only been here barely longer than I have! My whole life has been a lie!

[zinc dew]

Literally bought a MiSTer because of @wanton sun for the PS1 core

[eternal island]

same

[zinc dew]

He’s the reason why I’m here. Robert is super cool.

[orchid nimbus]

.... oh ffs, I'm not crying you're crying

[zinc dew]

lol

[languid dune]

Nintendo is the reason I bought my MiSTer. But only because I wasn't happy with how they've handled NSO and classic game releases. I was just fed up with them.

[eternal island]

my name is leg, not crying

[wanton sun]

really nice thank you. And finally we also get the good 5th gen console now 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

I've been here since July and already have a blue color 😄

[languid dune]

Shots fired by Robert!

[latent galleon]

i feel trolled.

[deft tree]

CPS2+NeoGeo what drew me in

but PS1/64 are huge boons

[left depot]

I did not know there was a significance to the color

[manic basin]

I've been here for as long as I can remember. I really need to lay off the halfling herb.

[orchid nimbus]

I bought the MiSTer for MSX

[eternal island]

yeah. ps1. thank god we got that

[left depot]

Where's my color? lmao

[eternal island]

now we'll get this n64 out of the way...

[solemn marlin]

Some 60fps patch I guess, wasn't aware of any that worked

[orchid nimbus]

and because SmokeMonster and @vague sun told me to do it

[left depot]

I followed smokemonster, too

[tepid gorge]

I built mine three years ago when I was waiting for the Pocket and Nt Noir, so at that point I was just interested in GBA and NES

[zinc dew]

I’m not an arcade expert in the slightest but the Neo Geo is absolutely one of my favs. The arcade cores are like this never ending stream of amazing shit. So many cool freaking games and a metric ton to play.

I love arcade fans!

[eternal island]

i suck at fighting games

[mild ether]

I bought my MiSTer for the possibility of a Neo Geo core some day. I had no idea PS1 or N64 was within the realm of possibilities. This is all really amazing to see happen.

[vapid moat]

I bought MiSTer because hooking up my laptop with RetroArch on it to my Trinitron + having to do constant adjustments with RA to play games casually was becoming such a hassle

And I mean, latency-free gaming + tons upon tons of consoles and accurate arcade cores, including possibly Saturn? Sign me up

[eternal island]

dont forget saturn... a lot of games id never even known i wanted go play

[latent galleon]

i'm not even joking: name a better way to play the PSX. do it. i dare you.

[languid dune]

My favorite arcade cores since I got my MiSTer have been wickerwaka's amazing Irem boards. Just an insane amount of amazing games on those boards.

[latent galleon]

rightest decision ever

[eternal island]

i thought saturn was just a dud like the jaguar for years

[deft tree]

I was already dropping a bunch of money on various CPS2 boards and was thinking about getting into Neo Geo, This solved that and gave me a way to play on HDMI and stream, while making it 1/10th the size and supporting controllers better

[left depot]

I wrote it off completely until miSTer showed me the light

[vapid moat]

I was actually exploring on getting a real N64 to play N64-games casually meanwhile - until Robert dropped this bombshell on us around last March

Massive "HOOOLY Macaroni"-moment there

[languid dune]

So much for you to catch up on! Saturn is my personal favorite of that gen of consoles!

[eternal island]

i managed to get one and a cart thing. realized a lot of the games were good, but i hated the hw.. and loved the controller

[tepid gorge]

I got an N64Digital two years ago thinking this wouldn’t be possible on the DE10-Nano

[mild ether]

Neo Geo and CPS2 is enough reason to buy a MiSTer alone if you like arcade.

[eternal island]

so glad mister is getting it

[tepid gorge]

I don’t regret it but I probably wouldn’t have done it if this had been out

[deft tree]

i'd been carting CPS2 boards across the country for a decade already

for tournies

[eternal island]

those are all the systems id even wanted on fpga. the rest i prefer soft emus for. ps2/gc onwards

[mild ether]

Is the MiSTer acceptable at tournaments yet? Those boards are getting pricey.

[left depot]

Because of this core I believe in miracles 🤣

[mild ether]

I can't tell the difference between MiSTer and the real thing anyway but I don't compete.

[deft tree]

Vsav scene has been running pretty much exclusively MiSTer for last couple years

and a lot of the other games of that era are coming around, even most of the ST crew

[languid dune]

Not miracles.

[mild ether]

Nice!

[deft tree]

so like A2, NeoGeo stuff, early versus games, etc

and theres lots of clamoring about CPS3 obviously

[mild ether]

Model 2 is my dream but I have doubts that will ever happen.

[fair stump]

Sounds like the classic case of needing a vacation after your vacation

[zinc dew]

Genuine thanks for reminding me! I am going to submit PTO for Monday off. It took me 23.5 hours just to drive here so I’m expecting the same back. In a minivan with three kids, two dogs, and two kittens.

[fair stump]

Three kids I get. But two dogs and two cats?

[latent galleon]

@zinc dew seriously? you brought the animals?

beat me to it

[lament escarp]

It's not a vacation without the whole family!

[latent galleon]

kittens wouldn't care, but my cats would not enjoy a road trip

[quaint pewter]

Did you manage to play Mario 64 in the car while you wife, drove or was it not meant to be? lol

[zinc dew]

didn’t on the way here but will on the way back. I am determined

@latent galleon / @fair stump I’m an optimistic buffoon plain and simple. But we saved quite a bit of money on pet hotel fees and the pets did great. So we are very lucky. One of the kittens slept on my shoulder for an hour or two while I drove through Louisiana. It was adorable.

[latent galleon]

kittens are super chill with change, i have a petsitter i trust, either an hour a day of playtime or overnights

[quaint pewter]

I believe in you Robby 🙂 You can do this! 😄

[latent galleon]

but she is also a good friend and professional animal trainer and sends lots of pictures so

apologies in advance for being off topic

[deft tree]

i knocked out another 10 stars and a bowser fight on my mario 64 file yesterday

[latent galleon]

hehe

damn it @deft tree

fine go back to n64

[zinc dew]

oh my god adorable

[left depot]

Dude your cat has a selfie stick? 😮

[deft tree]

Lol

[latent galleon]

@left depot my petsitter likes to send pictures of her playing with my cats, and i love her for it

[weary palm]

He's very active, that FazanaJ. https://github.com/FazanaJ/Diddy-Kong-Racing/commits/dkrMod

[lament escarp]

I do the same when I sit the cat. 😄

[left depot]

Mine too, it's the best and a dealbreaker haha

[native mesa]

Lots of action here today. What I miss?

[languid dune]

Cats. You missed cats.

Which to be fair, is something you don't want to miss!

[weary palm]

Meow

[quaint rune]

What the, I couldve sworn I posted this in general!? One sec.

[latent galleon]

you getting told, and cats.

[latent galleon]

shit

i also have a piebald cat

[sacred valley]

[topaz otter]

Is that Maxwell the cat

[latent galleon]

ok that picture is too cute i will have to remove it, sorry

[thorn flax]

this core is doing wonders for my appreciation of the consoles game library

I never played n64 this much even after the effort I put into the original console

[latent galleon]

same with me and PSX

owned it, modded it, still didn't have much appreciation for the library

burning discs was probably part of that

[thorn flax]

and I'm starting to like what SGI and Nintendo decided to do regarding its particular video output

[chilly ember]

That was the issue for me for psx, burning discs sucks

[thorn flax]

not the lack of SCART suppot

but the Strange blend of sharp & soft you get with games like Mickeys Speedway

it's vaguely... dream like

I never used to see the difference between this and a ps1. and couldn't help but wonder why it took an extra 2 years to come to market

but it's there.

a truly blasphemous thought came to me earlier "Daytona would have been great on this"

[tepid gorge]

I noticed a difference but I never understood what it was, and seeing this core progress taught me

[thorn flax]

would love to have seen what a team like AM2 could have done with this hardware

[vapid hawk]

seeing it come together piece by piece has definitely made me appreciate the n64 video output even more

its so like, cohesive and temporally stable

they traded some resolution of fine detail for that but i think it was worth it

they were never going to be able to render a ton of fine detail to begin with

[chilly ember]

I'm happy to be able to use component on a crt now instead of a s video. It's pretty

[latent galleon]

sweet, lucked out on original n64 controller..."found in box, untested". looked brand new in pictures and looks brand new in person

should not have ordered the kitsch-bent stuff!

i have a theory that the best way to judge condition is the scratches on the A and B buttons

1 for 1

man that stick feels weird, takes some effort too

[thorn flax]

at this point, the only additional "quality of life" feature I'd want over the original hardware is auto swapping/combining of the rumble and controller pak

[latent galleon]

how would that work?

[thorn flax]

oh and Midway. never gave two thoughts about them ever. but Hydro Thunder is legit great

[thorn flax]

idk, some sort of hack

or

a button press

[chilly ember]

I'd be fine with a mappable button, it's been suggested but Robert has said it's a pain to do

[thorn flax]

on the nso controller there's an extra couple of buttons you could assign

[empty cliff]

btw I know n64 doesn't support the clock yet

[thorn flax]

correct

[empty cliff]

but once it does, will it be enough to keep the mister connected to ethernet? you don't need an actual clock onboard right?

just thinking about animal forest

[thorn flax]

... yeah?

[empty cliff]

yeah that's enough or yeah you need the clock

[native mesa]

I'd like to see an easy 2 in 1 controller mode for goldeneye and PD

[thorn flax]

oh yeah they had a funky dual analog mode

[hearty oar]

Nah don’t need RTC for eg Pokémon GB games

[native mesa]

You can do it now it's just cumbersome with controller configs

[empty cliff]

as in, as long as it's plugged into ethernet the pokemon gb games will continue to understand the time correctly?

awesome

[latent galleon]

i guess a menu is still easier than swapping actual paks

[thorn flax]

oh. the real greedy request is some way of accessing pokemon gb saves for Stadium

[chilly ember]

Unless you have a tremor pak and can just use the switch

[native mesa]

I think it's in scope

[native mesa]

At the very least SNAC with a real transfer pak

[thorn flax]

I have the transfer pac and controller ready

[empty cliff]

I could finally put celebi on my real silver cartridge haha

[native mesa]

I never played Stadium 2

I think that was right at the point I grew out of the franchise

[empty cliff]

I preferred 1 but 2 was good

yeah most people did that my age

[hearty oar]

So ready for transfer pak SNAC

Arguably the only thing you need SNAC for on this core

[empty cliff]

I was a 91 kid and when I bought sapphire everyone was acting like I was a little kid

[zenith orchid]

Heh, there was a moment in time when several people called it that, it still amuses me to poke fun at them. 😄

[empty cliff]

and I was like.. okay cool you all just miss out on this sick pokemon game that's fine by me

[native mesa]

haha yeah 89 here

[empty cliff]

I wonder what the age distribution mister owners looks like

presumably the mix of disposable income, technological aptitute and nostalgia factor has to mean it's skewing to 30s and 40s

[weary palm]

Looks like a battery to a power drill.

[chilly ember]

Hahah kinda, I got one kicking around somewhere

[native mesa]

idk what replaced it. Probably Skateboarding and going to the mall

[zenith orchid]

Man, I slept through so much. someone thought N64 and PSX were implementations of an emulator to the same degree ao486 was?

[empty cliff]

feels like iit's probably the same gen of people who were hacking the wii in the late 2000s

[native mesa]

no

[hearty oar]

I’m from 90, I too bought Sapphire 😄

[zenith orchid]

ah good, cuz that would be hilarious

[empty cliff]

haha, were you scorned upon in school for it too?

I don't know why everyone loved pokemon red and blue, then thought silver and gold were sick, then sapphire they were like "baby's game"

[zenith orchid]

why are we talking about sapphire here?

[empty cliff]

we were talking about the transfer pack

and pokemon stadium 2

[zenith orchid]

ohh

[native mesa]

My point was the process of 'porting' isn't inherently bad and can be quite useful like how robert does it.

[zenith orchid]

For a moment I thought sapphire was a gba game

[empty cliff]

it is a gba game but someone said pokemon stadium 2 was when they stopped playing, and sapphire was the next game in the series

[quaint pewter]

Like Coldplay, I was all "Yellow".

[hearty oar]

This channel, veering off topic? Well I never!

[solemn marlin]

Seconding this, all the n64 fps titles can actually be played with a sweet modern twinstick setup, I hope that's taken into consideration eventually

[vapid hawk]

i think we just need a swap sticks option and it'll be pretty simple

[native mesa]

Well anyone could do it potentially

[zenith orchid]

I knew someone who played modern FPSes with an N64

controller

[weary palm]

YES 100 × this!

[empty cliff]

some kids are playing modern FPS with an ipad nowadays

[native mesa]

Is that when you decided to stop knowing them?

[empty cliff]

I'd prefer to use an n64 controller than a touch screen

[latent galleon]

your point was to play gotcha when i was talking about a machine translated port of an imperfect processor, when robert uses software to figure shit out and completely rewrites everything by hand in vhdl

[empty cliff]

even better, TWO n64 controllers

[zenith orchid]

I never believed them or put in the effort to keep in touch in the long run, so yeah basically

[vapid hawk]

how many games actually support that 2 controller scheme?

[empty cliff]

goldeneye and that's it?

[vapid hawk]

perfect dark does too i think

[empty cliff]

oh really

well, makes sense

[vapid hawk]

that might be all though

[empty cliff]

it's funny that rare instantly saw the future

like oh this analogue stick thing is dope if only we had 2

[quaint pewter]

Be funny if there had been a Steel Battalion game for the n64

[solemn marlin]

For ge+pd I think you map the stick to the c buttons and vice versa and pick the 1.4 movement style in game or something

[vapid hawk]

i've yet to find a shooter i can't play really well with just swapped sticks, with left analog for the real analog and right analog as c-buttons

[zenith orchid]

as for my actual response to this, the ao486 core ended up being a fictional 486 with limited driver support and really messy code. especially since it was a learning project for the original developer

[empty cliff]

nintendo had the foresight to add an analogue stick, then proceeded to attach it to the jankiest controller ever produced on a mainline console

[latent galleon]

honestly the only thing triggering about the emulator discussion is people saying stuff like the n64 core is half software, or they are just ports of emulators without understanding what kind of low-level fpga-translatable emulation we mean

[lone geyser]

Sometimes I go back and watch Smoke's MiSTer countdown for nostalgia. They're back up again

[vapid hawk]

if you don't mind it being useless for everything else you can try this today, just go map your dual analog pad wrong in main mister on purpose

when it asks for stick 1 map right stick

[empty cliff]

the biggest problem with n64 is not evven that it has buttons instead of an analogue stick, that's the games when they aren't used for the camera

[latent galleon]

is smokemonster still alive?

[weary palm]

That Star Wars Racer have support for 2 controller single player too

[empty cliff]

like playing buttons with the c butttons mapped to a standard modern controller is so annoying

[vapid hawk]

i think smokemonster kinda retired, he closed down his discord etc

[lone geyser]

Semi active on Twitter but no longer doing community contribution stuff

[teal oyster]

he tweets

[latent galleon]

that's a bummer

[lone geyser]

Just bought a buttload of laserdiscs actually

[teal oyster]

the other day it was showing off his haul of 200 laser discs or something

[latent galleon]

he was a great advocate for the scene

[quaint pewter]

Him and Pezz doing videos is what got a lot of people to look into MiSTer.

[teal oyster]

heh, hi lemonici 👋

[weary palm]

What do you mean? It's annoying to use C-buttons?

[lone geyser]

Howdy hew

[solemn maple]

Yesterday I played the Dreamcast version of Hydro Thunder and it annoyed me to no end that you had to go back to the main menu to restart a race.

The N64 version however let you restart your race from the pause menu 😎

N64 > DC

[empty cliff]

I mean that c buttons don't map cleanly to a modern controller

[solemn marlin]

I did try but I suck at it, I get stuff double mapped and stuff, like moving forward and looking down in the same input, the prospect of doing that every time you wanna play an fps isn't appealing

[empty cliff]

like hmm should I map digital buttons to the right stick and have a janky experience

[weary palm]

Not many controllers have 6 face buttons, no

[empty cliff]

or should I map AB to AB then have XY as up and right c and down and left c on the bumpers

[vapid hawk]

@lone geyser oh master of the analog stick arts, can you make us a swap-sticks option? for shooters

[empty cliff]

or use stick click buttons for A and B

however you do it it's ugly

[vapid hawk]

we just want the right stick to be the n64 stick and the left stick to be the c-buttons

[quaint pewter]

That's why you get a n64 style stick?

[lone geyser]

Can you describe what you mean?

Like undo invert?

[quaint pewter]

I got the wired Tribute64 for only £10

[empty cliff]

yeah but 4 pads just for that? and it's not even about the price it's about just having extra clutter in the house

like the mister is otherwise extremely elegant

[lone geyser]

(Because inverted is in violation of God's will)

[weary palm]

Perhaps something like this would work in a pinch

[empty cliff]

you have this tiny box that contains every console and all you need in principle is a display cable, a tiny wifi dongle and a plug

[quaint pewter]

having just controllers for systems is less clutter than having all the ssystems 🙂

[vapid hawk]

basically right now, n64 analog stick is always mapped to left stick

[latent galleon]

my man

[lone geyser]

@deft tree seems to like it iirc

[vapid hawk]

we want it on right stick

[empty cliff]

sure but if the n64 didn't have C buttons and was twin stick, you could just buy any generic controller

[deft tree]

Yeah I’m a fan of the octa

[empty cliff]

I'm not complaining about mister, I just find the n64 to be an inconvenient console that requires bespoke controllers to truly enjoy

[lone geyser]

I can look at it but no guarantees. Most of my work has been in a single function

[teal oyster]

@latent galleon I just ebayed an N64 controller, soon I will be able to call myself a refined gentleman of leisure... I used the cheat code too "TIGHT STICK"

[latent galleon]

still, i now own two n64 controllers, because what can you do...only weird controller i use

[empty cliff]

yeah it just feels wrong to buy 4 extra controllers for that

[lone geyser]

(I warn you I'm a much better mathematician than a dev, lol)

[deft tree]

I’ve not had any problem finding real 64 controllers in the wild personally. Bought a minty one a couple days ago

[quaint pewter]

It's an outlier but most systems you can use a twin stick no problem. I have about 6 controllers for mister than cover just about everything - except intellivision and weird things like that. that and Jag are way more "out there" than n64

[latent galleon]

well if it is no good i'll email you my kitsch-bent plastic bits, shouldn't cost more than a stamp

email

haha

[empty cliff]

I just don't like the clutter, especially as I'm an indie dev so I always travel with a spare screen, 4 controllers

[teal oyster]

yeah, porkchop told me there are little kits to rehabilitate a loose stick

[empty cliff]

throwing in a mister adds basically nothing to my load

[teal oyster]

so I will seek that out if needed

[empty cliff]

but throwing in 4 extra controllers for n64 is completely untenable

[quaint pewter]

just don't play n64 then. it's not compulsory. it's a choice

[empty cliff]

I can't just roll up to a mate's house with my backpack prepacked, I need to plan to have n64 controllers on me

[weary palm]

Hori make good-quality stuff. They have even made some first-party stuff like the NES Four Score.

[empty cliff]

I am just lamenting, I'm not saying "I hate this so much I will never play this core"

alll I was saying is "it's a shame nintendo made this controller"

[vapid hawk]

come to think of it this might be something you'd have to change down in the core

[weary beacon]

I just bought a broken Teal ICE n64 controller!

[empty cliff]

I live inn two countries too, I'm not going to carry 4 n64 controllers with me every time I fly or buy 8 n64 controllers

[teal oyster]

I have almost no frame of reference, since I barely ever touched a real N64 controller back in the day, so I opted for an OEM one

[empty cliff]

so the solution is pretty much "yeah sorry everyone Y means up C. left C is Ll1. down C is R1" etc.

which is fine for me but hella confusing with friends

[quaint pewter]

I lament having my mister on the same screen as my pc, and having to switch input all the time. modern convenience makes us lazy. I used to carry a crt and an amiga on a bus, with a box of disks... compared to those days we have it pretty easy now

[empty cliff]

I would get a remote for that haha

little low latency hdmi switch box with a remote

I wish as well there was a profiles switch on the back of dualsense controllers so you could swap whether it's paired to your ps5 or [other device]

[native mesa]

yeah i encountered one the other day smh

[latent galleon]

ok stop!

[empty cliff]

haha

[latent galleon]

i am a man of a certain age and my heart cannot take it

[lone geyser]

Could probably swap the sticks in the input loop but it'd be hacky and I'd just distribute the binary privately instead of sharing it here

[mossy needle]

Lol

[empty cliff]

just wait until robert is like "okay time to do the dreamcast"

reddit is like "okay but actually for real this time guys, this is really not going to happen"

[vapid hawk]

yeah if its a whole build you'd have to switch to don't worry. you can already do it by just mis-binding your controller in main on purpose

[weary beacon]

Mister can't do dreamcast. It was a 200mhz cpu. mister only does 100mhz max.

[vapid hawk]

we'd need new hardware

[empty cliff]

incoming hat adaptor

[mossy needle]

Lol backseat engineers are funny

[empty cliff]

just accelerate the mister at close to the speed of light in a centrifuge

and have it run at half speed

the main problem is going to be cable management

[latent galleon]

n64 really is the limit and a little beyond but here we are anyway

[vapid hawk]

if robert said "buy this new board i'm making a dreamcast core for it" you'd all buy one 😛

[empty cliff]

if robert said it I would preorder

[quaint pewter]

Pentium 75 or Pentium 90 anyone? lol

[empty cliff]

I'm not convinced about mars until I see it in action

[ripe sentinel]

if robert said it i would bookmark the page

[vapid hawk]

i'd buy two you know, just incase

[empty cliff]

for zelda four swords

[lament escarp]

How many alm does mars have? De-10 has like 110k correct?

[weary palm]

He stopped working on his DS core because it wouldn't fit, I think.

[empty cliff]

that is sad, ds was an rpg powerhouse

having said that, how would you even play, plug in a wacom?

[lone geyser]

May have been memory with DS

[teal oyster]

yeah, we gotta wait for MiSTer² - THE REVENGE before Roberts DS core becomes a thing

[lone geyser]

The nice thing is that DS is easy to come by. I have 3 because people keep giving them to me

[empty cliff]

I was thinking about getting a big 3ds recently

[teal oyster]

my only problem with the DS is they cramp my hands

[empty cliff]

but then I got a galaxy s23 ultra, and it comes with a pen, and it is perfect for 3ds

screen in half is pretty much the size of an original 3ds screen, and it's tall enough for both screens plus on screen buttons

and obvs it has a microphone and all that

and I always have it in my pocket, it's just ideal for it

[lone geyser]

See that's your problem. I get around that by having disproportionately tiny hands that I got made fun of for in HS but have since been mostly useful

[latent galleon]

good name

[wanton sun]

a Frankenstein DS might be possible with lots of tricks to work around all the limitation, not sure it's worth it. Probably better to do it on hardware that is really capable of doing it

[woeful beacon]

agreehere

[latent galleon]

you've probably learned a lot since then

[lone geyser]

Also seems like an I/O nightmare

[weary palm]

Like Snickers

[lone geyser]

I don't even enjoy DS software emulator very much

[empty cliff]

ds emulators on pc are bad yeah

[vapid hawk]

DS is hard to control with anything but a DS i find

[wanton sun]

yes, i would do most things different, likely saving plenty of ressources, but the most critical point, the amount of internal RAM, cannot be optimized

[vapid hawk]

only the wiiU version is satisfying

[teal oyster]

I just needed a comfortable way to play the 3 Castlevania games on the DS

[empty cliff]

you definitely need a screen with a display on it that you're clicking on

[latent galleon]

those are rough, and i'm not sure how mister would get around some of the physical limitations

[lone geyser]

Hew have you tried one of the original phats?

[weary palm]

I have a DS emulator on my phone, DraStic

[teal oyster]

what is that?

[lone geyser]

Phat

[vapid hawk]

i guess most obvious would be like, stack the two screens onto one hdmi output, then use a dualshock so you can use its touchpad

[teal oyster]

oh

[lone geyser]

Typo

[teal oyster]

uhhh I'm not even sure what mine is... I think it's a DSi that someone gave me

[empty cliff]

yeah ds phone emulators are great, ds pc emulators are nightmaerous. it works for phoenix wright just about

[woeful beacon]

PSP would be much more interesting but doubt its possible

[quaint pewter]

symbian/java phone core from early 2000s? so many games have vanished into the mists of time like Doom RPG

[random portal]

PSP is 300Mhz

[vapid hawk]

nguage ?

[wanton sun]

depending on the game, i had good results: some can be played nice with mouse, some with gamepad where the analog stick is the touch and some with keyboard and mouse

[woeful beacon]

yeah need a nice celeron cpu for that

😛

[empty cliff]

psp has 32mb of ram too

[latent galleon]

i vote wait for mister 2.0...are you still doing FPGA stuff for work?

[wanton sun]

no

[empty cliff]

I guess you really need a rotateable screen to enjoy ds properly too

[vapid hawk]

could some kind of memory add on make DS more feasible ? like not dual-ram but some other kind of ram on the second iio

[latent galleon]

i am wondering if you learned more professionally or on mister 🙂

[empty cliff]

tell chatgpt to write the core

[random portal]

😆

[latent galleon]

either way it has been cool to see

[vapid hawk]

ps-ram or sram or one of those exotic types

[solemn marlin]

Aren't key bindings just saved somewhere? They must be since they can be changed. Like a switch in the core just mapping 64 stick to right stick and c buttons to left stick, I think that's all that's needed for ideal fps controls

[vapid hawk]

that kind of key binding isn't allowed

[teal oyster]

I wonder if it could write a super simple core, like a green LED lights up one

[vapid hawk]

you can move the c-stick buttons but not the left stick itself

[empty cliff]

only one way to find out

[wanton sun]

when it comes to rebuilding old systems and which path to follow, for sure in the last 4 years. Handling the synthesis tools, simulation and general design i learned most in the 7 years before

[empty cliff]

ask chatgpt

"yes I can", oh okay cool it can

[teal oyster]

I'll leave that to Kannibal

[wanton sun]

there would be external ram that would fit the needs, but we don't have the pins for it. Would require more than both expansion slots on mister together can offer 🙂

[solemn marlin]

So that's why I get double binds? No way around it?

[vapid hawk]

yeah just remap it in main with the sticks the wrong way round on purpose

[empty cliff]

I have a drill if that helps

I can make some more pins in no time

[vapid hawk]

that frees up the left stick to map the c-buttons buttons too

[rotund fox]

more tests done both zelda working, pilotwings works, some corruption gone in wrdl driver championship. I still have the bug that to load pal rom I need to go to setting and switch system from pal to ntsc to pal again. Is there a bug tracker somewhere?

[drowsy lantern]

Sorry if I missed it earlier (there’s a lot of messages), but what does today’s build fix? Any new games that work? Etc.

[vapid hawk]

no build (so far anyway) today

[uncut gyro]

new build? where?

[vapid hawk]

you can read about all the new builds in #test-builds

[wanton sun]

there is only a change in PIF today that doesn't fix anything

[wraith estuary]

NEW BUILD???!!
😉

[teal oyster]

lol, laaaaaame, "chatgpt: <FLEX> could totally make an NES core... if I wanted to... but someone already did it"

[drowsy lantern]

Ah i saw an commit on git and thought there was a new build to go along with it. My bad.

[empty cliff]

"paper mario working. lol j/k pif change"

[ripe sentinel]

haha right? pretty funny

[wanton sun]

there is no point in uploading a build from it and people test for nothing

(ok maybe it breaks something, but then it's early enough to know in next build)

[empty cliff]

when you're developing, do you have a game in mind for the current think you're on

like "oh I really want to fix xyz next so Game B looks better"

[wanton sun]

for 95% of the changes i compare with one game, yes

e.g. debugging with a savestate

[empty cliff]

is that game mario kart 64

[solemn marlin]

Yea okay I'll try, it'd be heavenly if someone made a quick solution for fps play 🌠

[empty cliff]

oh you mean one game per cahnge

[wanton sun]

the game depends on the feature/change/bug 🙂

[empty cliff]

right yeah I see

interesting

[wanton sun]

then i post a build with this game mentioned and 30 minutes later the channel finds 3 more where it helps 🙂

which is really good, as it saves a lot of time where i can work on other things instead of testing plenty of games

[empty cliff]

in my line of work it's more like "I do the feature for thing A and then qa reports that I broke B C D" haha

[uncut gyro]

definitely a positive feedback loop in the best way 🙂

[wanton sun]

sure, it also happens that it breaks something

[empty cliff]

do you have an endgame game in mind like "the final thing I will fix is making game X run"

[wanton sun]

current endboss are random hangs in some games, e.g. Glover. I don't fear implementing features but debugging the random is giving me nightmares

[empty cliff]

yeah just endless little fixes, that's like emulators

95% completion but 9 random games have random bugs

[latent galleon]

goes a lot faster than most emulators though

[empty cliff]

is TLB going to be a nightmare?

[wanton sun]

don't think so

[ocean lily]

I fully understand that and also understand that if a weaker cpu at 1/3 the clock (saturn) can decode full video in real-time, the n64 can easily do so also - as documented, their struggle wasn't with video handling specifically, it was cramming it on to a tiny cartridge

[latent galleon]

most new cores come out of the gate with close to 100% compatibility around here, it is sort of wild compared to the years long struggle the software emulation scene usually endures

[daring meteor]

Is the PIF change for controller disconnects, or the jfg drm?

[empty cliff]

it's really interesting how tlb is only a blocker in.. 17? games

but those gamese include like 4 all time mega classics

[daring meteor]

More than 17

Out of the broken games, most have TLB as the reason that they don't work

[empty cliff]

I see

[wanton sun]

ok, little more detail: the PIF communicates with the SI (serial interface), which will write to the PIF RAM via DMA and read back from it. Everytime a read or write DMA happened, i would start a access round and poll all controllers/paks/eeprom. But that is wrong, it should only happen when a read DMA from SI is initiated. It doesn't seem to influence games but would influence SNAC

[daring meteor]

Ah

[mellow raft]

It's a compound issue really. The space is a major concern, but it says in the report from the developer, and I quote: "because the N64 has no dedicated decompression hardware, our challenge was compounded further. To better understand the magnitude of the implementation hurdles, consider that it is analogous to performing full-screen MPEG decompression at 30Hz, in software, on a CPU roughly equivalent in power to an Intel 486. Fortunately, the N64 has a programmable signal processor called an RSP that has the ability to run in parallel with the CPU."

The CPU wasn't powerful enough. The ability for the RSP to run in parallel made it possible

so you probably need to stop with the claim that the N64 had a powerful enough CPU. It is not 1:1 running the video haha

[weary perch]

i do wonder if this might have an impact on SFRush and SFRush 2049, both of which have issues with CPAKs. currently Rush 2049 seems to crash if more than one CPAK is inserted, and rapidly sees and loses the CPAK if you have more than one inserted in the menu

[mellow raft]

to clarify about how well an Intel 486 can software decode a full-screen MPEG decompression at 30Hz... it can't

[wanton sun]

no (yes i tried it 😉 )

[mellow raft]

Looking at this document, the guy basically developed his own full on decoder/encoder to be able to use both the RSP and CPU in parallel. He had to completely redo the video in a format that would work for the hardware. So it wasn't even fully decoding an MDEC signal like the PS1 can

[empty cliff]

what game is that for nerd pork?

[mellow raft]

Resident Evil 2 for N64

He had to cut frames to make it run lol

#1096015979055697940 message

[lament escarp]

Yeah resi2 on n64 is so crazy. Now the psx and n64 version can both run on the same hardware, what a time to be alive.

[uncut gyro]

Correct. This required an add-in MPEG1/MJJPEG board from ReelMagic or similar. Intel kinda had the market cornered for software-only 24fps video decompression in those early days, followed by Apple.

[ocean lily]

man, i guess all those saturn FMVs must have been all in my head then

[mellow raft]

sadly it's another case of Nintendo making poor hardware choices

The N64 excelled in certain things, but suffered for others... ultimately leading to its shorter than expected lifespan

[weary palm]

I hope it fixes Wave Race shinduo edition

[ocean lily]

point is, saturn didn't have hardware video decoding either, and had much slower processors, yet still did FMVs

[junior pine]

Not very well. Look at Grandia on PSX vs Saturn, for example...

[mellow raft]

Saturn has an MPEG video decoder...

MPEG Video decoder: Sega P/N 315-5765 (Hitachi HD814101FE)

MPEG Audio decoder: Hitachi HD814102F

[ocean lily]

as an add-on, not built in

[junior pine]

That was an add-on, pretty expensive one too, never saw it

The console didn't include that, it just had to do videos on very low quality on small screen areas

[empty cliff]

imagine taking a mister back to 1998

how many minds would be blown

[thorn flax]

maybe if you were poor
laughs in premium v-saturn bundle

[empty cliff]

"yeah I have this little box. it has every game ever on it*

[junior pine]

My own mind would have blown to begin with. I would had developed a religion around it or something like that (I practically do now, the MiSTer is my only GOD!)

We should fund The Church of MiSTer

[empty cliff]

n64 was a worse console for devs but a better console for consumers imo

[thorn flax]

Saturn would like a word

[empty cliff]

I love me some no-loading-times

[daring meteor]

Worse console for devs for certain stuff

[uncut gyro]

The point being is those videos probably weren’t MPEG. Depending on who they licensed from and the quality needs, it couldve been proprietary, MJPEG at low framerate, etc

[empty cliff]

I reserve judgement over saturn until my mister arrives. just seen it's in the next city over now

[mellow raft]

It looks like TrueMotion was made possible by the advanced math processing the Saturn had. It had a lot more math coprocessors.

[ocean lily]

from some reading, it looks like saturn typically used cinepak

[empty cliff]

how would you sell the system in 3 titles

[thorn flax]

VF2, Sega Rally, Virtua Cop

[uncut gyro]

I’m pretty positive Indeo, etc both came later and were only on Intel CPUs. QuickTime was even later IIRC, and wasn’t licensed at all

[rapid prairie]

I miss Smokemonster. Anyone know why he stepped away from MiSTer and gaming discords? Loved his YT channel and his discord

[mellow raft]

yeah same with Cinepak. Cinepak/TrueMotion used advanced math formulas for the decompression. More than likely the N64 did not have the math processing power to handle those

[eternal island]

worse videos, but better everything else imo.

[empty cliff]

am I right in thinking saturn is basically: going to the arcade - home edition

[latent galleon]

i just assume death threats at this point, in this scene. joking not joking 🙃

[eternal island]

the weird part of the remaster for grandia is that they didn't just add the video from psx and remaster the saturn version.. would have been perfect

[ocean lily]

pretty sure the vector unit on the n64 was just as powerful as the saturn's, if not moreso

[empty cliff]

like if I had to recommend 64 I would say majora's mask and banjo as the first two games out my mouth and they are very "not found in an arcade"

[thorn flax]

I mean. eh.
sega wanted to make a machine to dethrone the Super Famicom. with unparalleled sprite graphics and enough horsepower to bring quads to the masses.

then a giant soulless corpo f'd there plans.

[uncut gyro]

Cinepak was high-storage, low compute overhead as the balance IIRC.

[empty cliff]

but most saturn recommendations are usually very arcadey

[thorn flax]

arcade = immediately intuitive and rewarding

sounds good

[hearty oar]

I mean it’s Sega, so yeah it’s arcadey

[chilly ember]

Sega is overall very arcadey

[uncut gyro]

here “low” means 100% occupies a GPCPU with hardware floating point

[thorn flax]

hydro thunder is very arcadey

[empty cliff]

sure but I wouldn't call the sonic games arcadey e.g.

[ocean lily]

video decoding often makes use of floating point math which the saturn lacked

[eternal island]

im finding turbografx, neogeo and saturn seem to be all system you play for some good quick fun

[latent galleon]

arcade games ain't my jam either

[thorn flax]

sega had many teams.

some with specialties

[latent galleon]

guardian heroes is a goddamned classic though

[empty cliff]

yeah I'm just wondering does saturn have really high quality games that are like.. you need to sit and play this game for 30 hours

[mellow raft]

The Saturn has extra dedicated math processors and coprocessors. The N64 doesn't have this. it just has an FPU (Floating-point Unit) There is no co-processing technically with how it's designed.

[lament escarp]

I ordered a pc engine controller, hopefully it'll arrive before halloween so I can get some rondo of blood in. 😄

[empty cliff]

I have heard of a couple of jrpgs that are meant to be decent

[thorn flax]

do you like Golden Sun

[empty cliff]

but even then I hear they're like "it's pretty good"

hell yeah I like golden sun

[thorn flax]

well

have I got a treat for you

[empty cliff]

haha

[thorn flax]

Shining Force 3. same team waaay better games

like Golden Sun is a baby game by comparison

but appropriate for the handheld format

[ocean lily]

https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/nintendo-64/#tab-1-1-reality-signal-processor

The Vector Unit: A co-processor that performs vector operations with 32 128-bit registers. Each register is sliced into eight parts to operate eight 16-bit vectors at once (just like SIMD instructions on conventional CPUs). As you can see, this component does the heavy lifting for the Scalar Unit.

[mellow raft]

https://treasure.fandom.com/wiki/Sega_Saturn/Technical_Specifications

4x internal fixed‑point math processors: 2x MULT multiplier DSP, 2x DIVU division units, parallel processing
2x MULT multiplier DSP: 57.27272 MOPS fixed-point math (28.63636 MOPS per SH-2)
2x DIVU division units: 16/32/64-bit division, 1,468,531 divides/sec

[empty cliff]

interesting, I will definitely get on shining force 3 then. Is that the one where only one part was localised but it's been fan translated?

[mellow raft]

SCU DSP

SCU math coprocessor: Geometry DSP @ 14.31818 MHz, 32‑bit fixed‑point instructions
Parallel units: 32/48-bit ALU (arithmetic logic unit), 48/64‑bit Multiplier, 32-bit instruction decoder

The RSP is a multipurpose unit. Not dedicated just for math

[thorn flax]

just get the fan translations, they even improved upon the old official translation for scenario 1

[hearty oar]

Yeah you could for sure have written some insane RSP micocode for video decoding

[quaint pewter]

am I in the wrong channel? I thought this was N64 lol

[mellow raft]

I'm not familiar with what a vector unit entails but from my research on N64, it does not support certain mathematical instructions in the hardware, so they have to be done in software iirc.

[weary beacon]

sonata of blood is awesome for sure

[ocean lily]

vector units are often used in video encoding/decoding

[mellow raft]

division instructions on the N64 were very expensive from what I understand

But I may be recalling things wrong

[ocean lily]

floating point division is expensive for any hardware

[mellow raft]

Yes but the Saturn has two dedicated division processors

[ocean lily]

optimized code will take the inverse and make it a multiplication instead

[eternal island]

play through that one in one sitting.. i found i got in the zone for it, did well, didn't play it for a few days and just sucked so bad when i tried to continue lol

[mellow raft]

The N64 has a single FPU

[mellow raft]

Which the Saturn has 2 multiplication processors as well 😛

[orchid nimbus]

it's called burn out - if you're passionate and spend long enough in a scene you'll get burned out by all sorts of things that seem small but add up in the end

[lament escarp]

I finished the psp remake years ago. Now I got this very nice fan translation on mister. Could just use a nes controller or something, but every core needs it's own controller. 😄

[ocean lily]

and at a quarter of the speed of the n64's, kinda negating the benefit

[mellow raft]

I may not understand fully about the hardware myself, but I think it doesn't take much to see that the N64's single FPU supporting eight 16-bit vectors at once cannot stand against the power of the Saturn's 2 multiplication processors, 2 division processors that can do 16/32/64-bit division, and an extra DSP that can handle 32-bit fixed-point instructions.

[thorn flax]

urge to collect controllers intensifies

[hearty oar]

Are you conflating the FPU on the CPU with the dedicated vector coprocessor on the RSP?

[mellow raft]

They are stating that the N64 should be able to decode video by claiming the Saturn could do it without an MPEG/MDEC decoder, when the Saturn had far more math computational power.

[hearty oar]

Because yeah you wouldn’t use the CPU for that, you would use the RSP, see here for the details of how this was actually done for RE2: https://ultra64.ca/files/other/Game-Developer-Magazine/GDM_September_2000_Achieving_Full-Motion_Video_on_the_Nintnedo_64.pdf

[mellow raft]

That PDF is what started this conversation lol

[ocean lily]

the vector unit effectively does 2 64 bit math operations simultaneously (or 8x16bit) at a much higher clock speed than the saturn's

[hearty oar]

lol I guess I missed that part

[mellow raft]

It says in there that the CPU cannot handle the operations... and even in parallel with the RSP, he had to cut frames to make it run

Memory is a huge bottleneck on the N64

[weary beacon]

get the power

[uncut gyro]

Not trying to support a console war discussion, but for your own education: the question to ask is not “which had more coprocessors?” but rather “which had the memory bandwidth to feed all that compute silicon at 100%?”. Silicon advantage with memory bandwidth/latency that becomes the bottleneck in 16ms compute window of games is how you get Xbox Series X. They saved $1 in the BOM to lose their 30% silicon advantage and so all the titles are a dead heat

[jade jetty]

program both, find out

[ocean lily]

the decompression was so hard because of how heavily they compressed the video, to make it fit on the cart

[jade jetty]

whomever brought it up

[mellow raft]

and I just mentioned memory lol

[uncut gyro]

this pattern happens over and over in console business

[eternal ravine]

I am also finding I appreciate N64 graphics more after using the core to play

[mellow raft]

I'm done. The PDF goes over how the space was part of the issue, but computational power was more than half of it

[empty cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-safe-clever-think-ahead-reece-simpson-gif-14469436

just multiply by the reciprocal

[mellow raft]

You could just... read the PDF

[ocean lily]

if the cart was big enough, they could have just streamed it right off the cart

[uncut gyro]

Sorry, was typing the reply to your previous msg and hit send before I saw your memory msg

[mellow raft]

Yes I won't deny if the cartridges were larger it wouldn't be as bad to compress...

But the N64 has other limitations at play here

[ocean lily]

it does, but with a reasonable codec, its power isn't an issue

[mellow raft]

The n64 doesn't have the memory bandwidth to even handle the throughput of directly decoding a video I'd imagine

Even if the processing power was there

[weary beacon]

nintendo power

[ocean lily]

there's 500MB/s of theoretical throughput

[hearty oar]

I guess yeah the confusion here is the vector units on the RSP are for sure fast enough, it was just the memory bandwidth that was the issue if I’m reading that paper right

[mellow raft]

miiight want to watch some more videos and read discussion on the design. On paper it sounds theoretically possible, but the way it plays out ends up being a nightmare for developers

You can watch a number of Kaze's videos to get that note

[ocean lily]

i'm just saying things would have been way easier if they could have used a bigger cart and used a normal video codec

it was only as hard as it was due to the extreme level of compression they had to use

[jade jetty]

I don't think it's necessarily hard to dev for by today's standards. just the standards of the time

[mellow raft]

I implied then not now

[uncut gyro]

Could one unleash an AI-optimized codec that saves 50% storage space and 30% memory/compute bandwidth per frame, with 10% more accurate video quality? Yes. Is that what existed in 1999? No.

[mellow raft]

Here's an idea... just play a game on your MiSTer instead of trying to figure out why something in 1999 didn't happen

xD

[uncut gyro]

The dragon’s lair Amiga version shows what you can do with human-written content-specific codecs

[latent galleon]

looks good to me

[empty cliff]

lover

[hearty oar]

Lamer

[uncut gyro]

this is like when Amiga geeks put a 2019 era accelerator in the Amiga and say “see!!! it can run Doom!! John Carmack was wrong!”

[solemn marlin]

Lower

[jade jetty]

luger

[weary beacon]

honestly looks like there is at least one more letter behind there.

[empty cliff]

laker

[hearty oar]

Lager

[empty cliff]

luber

[weary beacon]

loser

[empty cliff]

can't be loser, s is used

[hearty oar]

Yeah I tried that one first lol

[lone geyser]

Lymer

[weary beacon]

its not centered and there is atleast one more letter in the puzzle. prolly 2-3

[empty cliff]

liger

[hearty oar]

Liver

[empty cliff]

well? jay?

[quaint pewter]

with a nice chianti

[empty cliff]

was it luber?

[lone geyser]

Lizerd

Might by Liberian actually

[fair stump]

4:02 and no new @cerulean elk n64 or saturn video?

[cerulean elk]

lol off day

[weary palm]

Leeer

[cerulean elk]

N64 soon

also its only 3 here @fair stump 😆 and you got saturn this morning!

[quaint pewter]

there was a Saturn vid today? in my time zone anyway

[fair stump]

Ok, you have one more hour to produce one

[lament escarp]

I added chicago to my world time clock just to keep track of your whacky upload times.

[quaint pewter]

vid dropped at 2pm British Summer Time. I'm guessing you could still taste your toothpaste in the states 🙂

[elfin depot]

That was written by Randy Linden tho, guys a god tier programer.

[empty cliff]

lllol

[native mesa]

One day without a core update and things get wild

[mortal panther]

Just trying to keep the unruly mob satiated.

[quaint pewter]

vintage hardware? don't wash it - retrobrite it lol

[cerulean elk]

Ive got a vid this afternoon

just not on a topic anyone would expect. Trying to see if I can make a new type of video work for the future

[native mesa]

Is it a dance video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAFcEU6atk

[quaint pewter]

DDR might be considered esoteric?

[cerulean elk]

Quest 3 review w/ gameplay

because I might be known for arcade / FPGA / retro stuff...but I play and own a metric crap ton of VR junk

[native mesa]

Add 61 and Ill watch!

[cerulean elk]

mostly because its where the light gun genre went

[native mesa]

I've yet to get in the VR space but it's on my bucke list

is it full wireless yet?

[maiden flower]

i played many a DDR back in the 90s/early 2000s

😉

[elfin depot]

There's a field of the Arcade Dance pads behind a shop near me. They sold a TON of those machines

[lament escarp]

Is it the 4h video essay why brian is a better protagonist then cloud, link or mario a suggested yesterday? Damn you're fast.

[quaint pewter]

On your next N64 video please test Disney Dancing Museum... on a dance mat. 🙂

[empty cliff]

is this a playable game or is it something you watch

[native mesa]

Sounds like a job for chatGPT

[hollow rune]

https://www.twitch.tv/rgw_panda
We're doing N64 testing where we maybe just play some games then moving on to some Ocarina of Time

[empty cliff]

this seems like graphics over gameplay: the game. and yet it does look intriguing

[cerulean elk]

actually scheduled it for 4:30

N64 tomorrow!

[lament escarp]

I have to watch a panda now.

[weary beacon]

bait n sitch, no panda!

[uncut gyro]

it's Dragon's Lair, so a bit of both. it was a LaserDisc-based arcade game.

[mortal panther]

"No panda?!"
Unsubscribed

[empty cliff]

it seems really interesting lol, does it play like wario ware

like QUICKLY DO THING X

[hollow rune]

But I am there

[cerulean elk]

poor panda looks like he had a rough night

[junior yarrow]

Was panda ever truly here

[hollow rune]

I is she, and I am bread

[mellow raft]

Shebread?

I hope you rise to the occasion

sorry not sorry 😂

[hollow rune]

I had streaming issues sorry every one. Back online

[mellow raft]

Refresh your cookies everyone. They go well with bread

yeah looks good panda 😛

[vague cedar]

Using a Raphnet GameCube to N64 adapter (with WaveBird) with the SCAC build and am having a few different issues. Button presses are is inconsistent, like when attempting to hold the fire button down in Starfox it tends to shoot as rapid fire shots as opposed to a charged shot, like the button isn't consistently being held down. Also when using a N64 controller tester rom the D-pad direction down will activate every second or two, despite not actually pressing down on the D-pad.

The Raphnet adapter previously worked fine on an N64 when I had one and also works fine with a N64>USB adapter. Also SNAC works fine (using SNAX) with a Dualshock and NeGcon on the PS1 core. Unfortunately I no longer have an actual N64 controller to see if that works normally over SNAC.

@desert crow or anyone else seeing any SCAN weirdness with the N64 SCAC builds?

[wind helm]

Sorry to be asking this but since when do BustA-Move 99 and Bust-A-Move 2 work??? Wow

This is fantastic news (for me)

I just tested them with yesterday release and for the first time they are working for me

[desert crow]

Not sure what would be causing the Down presses. Don't think anyone tested that adapter yet, maybe you can retest later on a different build

[hollow rune]

well that stunk

Germany's internet is not the greatest in terms of consistency

[orchid nimbus]

it normally is

[hollow rune]

yeah it is just the luck of the draw, but next week I will try a slightly different set up

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune when I asked about the blue/red cherry mx keys I meant this.

[hollow rune]

I have no idea, my dad won it at a company christmas party. It is a razor blackwidow elite with the default keys

They are clicky and it is nice on my paws

[orchid nimbus]

yeah I heard the mechanical clicks

[hollow rune]

I just saw this and it was wonderful

[orchid nimbus]

I think you have the equevelant of the red 🙂

when I design mine I do a combo of blue and red

[hollow rune]

I think before I ever mess with a keyboard we will mod our 8bitdo arcade stick

that is next on the list

that and buying a Retroid Pocket 2s

[orchid nimbus]

I modded mine already

Sanwa buttons - clicky clicky

[fair stump]

I second sanwa

[hollow rune]

yeah the problem is right now deciding on the right colors

[orchid nimbus]

the stick is already microswitchy - so I kept that as is

[hollow rune]

yeah the stick is more than fine

buttons leave a lot to be desired

[weary beacon]

hall effect or nothing now.

[brisk drum]

Sanwa 4 life

[orchid nimbus]

a bit dusty

[native mesa]

Nice colors

I got the black one

I'd like to swap out colored buttons

some would call the bat blasphemy

[hollow rune]

my mom says it is a waste of buttons that's why I haven't yet. I have to ally with my dad to make it happen. though now that she sees everyone else is doing it she is suddenly changing her tune

She didn't understand why you would buy an arcade stick then have to buy new buttons for it

[brisk drum]

I have actually won local tournaments with this thing

I kept the same look but did put in a sanwa stick as well as buttons

[mellow raft]

now I can call you Wonderbread

[orchid nimbus]

@native mesa ^^

[brisk drum]

Repping Misteraddons

[orchid nimbus]

why I picked the colors

[brisk drum]

I knew that ..

[native mesa]

How can you waste buttons?

[hollow rune]

my family is always calling me bread cause I feel like a fresh loaf of bread to them

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune are you 16 or so?

[mellow raft]

I have no buns so I can't really say the same

[rose elbow]

wow what stick is that? did u change the gate or anything else?
sorry if already spelled this out, just saw the pic and it looks very nice 👌

[orchid nimbus]

8bit do arcade controller

with some nicer parts 😄

[rose elbow]

ya that stick in particular is what im noticing !

[mellow raft]

I'm on a roll

[orchid nimbus]

@rose elbow I hate balltops... so I changed the top only

[hollow rune]

I am no longer in elementary school, but not old enough to drink in Germany

[orchid nimbus]

are you cheese or ham?

[orchid nimbus]

now I feel like a dirty old man - eek

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[native mesa]

I like Neo geo button collors

[hollow rune]

why?

[orchid nimbus]

well I'm old enough to have reached 3x the drinking age in Germany 😄

[native mesa]

What's the drinking age in germany? 16?

[hollow rune]

This is the best response to most things

[orchid nimbus]

I think it still is

[hollow rune]

yup

[orchid nimbus]

(3x16)-1 in 13 days

[rich delta]

Here's a question you might be able to answer for me: if you emulated each hardware unit (cpu, rdp, rsp etc) of the n64 on a different software thread would that behave roughly the same as the fpga version or is there some deeper parallelism that goes on in an fpga as in at the instruction level?

[fair stump]

FBI, open up

[native mesa]

I'm glad there are kids out there into retro games

[orchid nimbus]

eh - I didn't solicit or sent unwelcoming pictures

yeah 🙂 makes me happy

there are kids nerdy enough to enough those old non 120fps games

from simpler times

[latent galleon]

are the menus in turok just programmed badly, kinda twitchy with the analog stick

[weary beacon]

where's your led blinky?

[hollow rune]

I mean, I am not a human child, but I guess that counts

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune I don't want to burst your furry bubble - but Panda's don't live in German houses

that's illegal

[fair stump]

You have to account for the panda to human age conversion

[native mesa]

don't != can't

[orchid nimbus]

they can live in German homes

but it would not be advisable

[native mesa]

it could be like OOT main menu that runs at double the framerate. What's FPS at?

Guys I'm going to see Chris Tucker standup tonight. You think he will be funny?

[latent galleon]

it's the pause menu, so 30

@lone geyser mimi works great here, people should definitely switch

not sure how the math works for 85 cardinals and 65 diagonals on a modern controller but whatever

[quaint pewter]

The Linfinity Bauntlet.... unlimited power.

[jade jetty]

Chances are greater than zero

[eternal ravine]

Funny for how long
Like the entire show?

[jade jetty]

Funny is in the eye of the beholder

Not sure what this has to do with the N64 mister core tho

I think fifth element was a psx game

And SF rush != rush hour

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-tucker-drag-quiet-shh-shut-up-gif-3532217

[compact depot]

How’s TLB?

Is vaseline 100% implemented now?

[empty cliff]

don't fpgas change the actual timing of the processor whereas if you emulate it's just running at your cpu's clock speed and waiting?

[solemn marlin]

100% of all the different ways VI is used but not 100% correctly implemented I think he said.. it has that goop tho

[hollow rune]

I cannot wait to knockout the goemon games one after another

[cerulean elk]

Classics. But hey at least we can see the intro

[solemn marlin]

I just want Bomberman, now that's a classic intro

Seeing that innocent bomberman getting warcrimed in the opening traumatized me

[empty cliff]

you can always watch this instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-0NzbFqhnw

[solemn marlin]

Lol that's weird, their designs are more grounded and detailed but the tone is very looney tunes

[lone geyser]

It's so good. Getting live coordinates is huge

[solemn marlin]

Not sure I enjoy the western takes on bomberman making him look all sci-fi, the belt buckle being the only discernable real clothing article is a much more fun design decision imo

[compact depot]

It freezes for me after a few seconds

[latent galleon]

with the forced wb on?

doesn't work for me at all without that

[true kelp]

You generally still can’t guarantee the level of simultaneous execution as FPGA with software threads. The timing is just more uncertain. Those threads are still getting time slices from the CPU scheduler. They’re dealing with cache coherence protocols. I could keep going… real-time systems on top of standard userspace threads on commodity hardware is… not always easy

[velvet gate]

just ordered one of the official n64 bluetooth controllers after playing around a bit with the core last night

amazing to see such progress after years of hearing n64 was impossible on mister

[thorn flax]

yep, it do be like that

[elder scroll]

Just installed the N64 controller and am making do with an Xbox controller for now. What are some good options for compatible N64 controllers?

[mild ether]

I use a bliss box to use original controllers.

[zenith orchid]

So far I've been using a DS3. It's a little annoying for THPS games, I have to remap it so the 4 buttons buttons map to the C buttons

[orchid nimbus]

behold the first one!

[topaz otter]

that box art

🤔

[eternal ravine]

Flush it

Why does it have the Hudson bee in the corner

[topaz otter]

also all I see is indiana jones, I don't see eric anywhere

and also where the floaters, all I see is cannibal men

[eternal ravine]

CHUDS made of turd

is what I see

[topaz otter]

i appreciate that the artist lifted the bottom half of eric there from a rob liefeld cover

i recognize those meaty thighs and the lack of feet anywhere

[eternal ravine]

What is he holding in that hand

[topaz otter]

pocket sand

[eternal ravine]

Some would use a whip... Others, a gun
Not Eric
He uses a sponge

[topaz otter]

I'm watching the video now and this is just a rip off of bomberman

[eternal ravine]

Can't wait until we can battle The Great Mighty Poo in Conker
It makes me chortle

I love how it coughs up TP after you launch a roll

[topaz otter]

oh wait

THIS GAME IS BOMBERMAN

[eternal ravine]

Love it, a mash up of ripoffs

[topaz otter]

so bomberman, eric and the floaters, and lode runner are the same game

Bomberman was written in 1980 to serve as a tech demo for Hudson Soft's BASIC compiler.[7] This very basic version of the game was given a small-scale release for Japanese PCs in 1983 and the European PCs the following year.[7][8] The Famicom version was developed (ported) by Shinichi Nakamoto,[9] who reputedly completed the task alone over a 72 hour period.

[eternal ravine]

I love heroic tales from retro game devs

[topaz otter]

its great stuff, impossible deadlines

impossibly small budgets

that stupid maze game for the atari that the guy created the maze algorithm while he was drunk

[eternal ravine]

This is a really good read
https://www.amazon.com/Untold-History-Japanese-Game-Developers/dp/0992926084

[topaz otter]

i might have to pick this up

i hae the original version of game over: press start to continue, that was a great book about nintendos early days

[eternal ravine]

Two previous volumes, but I think they held a lot of juicy stuff for the third

[topaz otter]

is the nes bomberman good

[eternal ravine]

Do you know of the legend of Spelanker (Spelunker)
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/spelunker/

[topaz otter]

i feel like I played this game on dos

[eternal ravine]

"It quickly gained reputation as a “kusoge”, reviled for its sloppy controls but simultaneously admired for how hilariously difficult it was. The reputation of the hero even created its own slang terminology, commonly used in sports. (スペ体質), “Supe taishitsu” or “Constitution of a Spelunker” means someone who gets injured very easily, with the verb “superu” meaning to be crucially injured due to something extremely minor, both referencing the fragility of the game’s hero. "

OK, I will stop derailing

So funny tho

[topaz otter]

there were so many cave exploring gmes back in those days

[eternal ravine]

Montezuma's Revenge helped educate me
(the game, but also the mishap)

[topaz otter]

my grandma liked Paganitzu

also she bought Word Games at Camelot

called the 1-800 number in the shareware version, mailed them a check

I still have the entire package with the registered version

she also bought the registered version of Ken's Labyrinth, the whole thing with all the episodes, I can't find the floppies though

[rose elbow]

loved Paganitzu

[topaz otter]

i liked at the ending the thing threatend to make dan quayle president of the united states

grandma thought it was stupid, but I thought it was funny

[wanton sun]

even the VI alone is doing more things parallel than my CPU has cores 🙂

[hearty oar]

modern N64 emulators have a fair bit of parallelism by emulating the RDP on the GPU, but it's not really the same thing right?

[wanton sun]

this mostly works because emulation of the n64 typically ignores that RDP rendering costs time and RDRAM bandwidth

[mortal panther]

It's hard for most of us, I imagine, to comprehend when you say that you probably still have months of additional work to do, especially after experiencing the core in its current condition, with so many games working so nicely.

You have done an amazing job in such a short amount of time.

It's more 'complete' now than I think any of us could have possibly dreamed.

One extremely pleasant surprise after another. I've been more impressed and have had more fun following the progress of this core than any other.

[jade bay]

Wow I beat level 5 of denryu iraira bou

Maybe I'll be able to beat this game and mark it as completable

[lament escarp]

How/when did you get into retro gaming? I'm having issues getting my nephew (9) into it and I'm so worried!

[elfin relic]

maybe your nephew just has bad taste

if it's not too late maybe you can return and get a replacement

[lament escarp]

I still have a spare, which is a few years younger.

[mild ether]

Got to start them young.

Maybe some Mario Bros 3 and Battletoads is in order.

[lament escarp]

He's a huge pokemon fan but also a bit dyslexic, I managed to convince his mum to let him play pokemon to practice reading and then he said the game was too much text and turned it down. Wtf.

And it wasn't on some nasty ass 90s gameboy I made him play, it was one of my really nice ips modded ones, so no excuses there!

[chilly ember]

My nephew wanted to play paper mario so bad a couple ish years ago but he got bored when he realised how much reading there was, he was like 7

[rose elbow]

my mannnn 🍺

im trying to think when i played Pokemon games. it was definitely after 7

[chilly ember]

I was like five when i first got Pokemon red and could barely read but i played through it anyways lol

[rose elbow]

wooow

i remember playing Sims in primary school, so im guessing it wouldve been at some point in primary school. maybe 10 or so

[lament escarp]

I could hardly read when playing pokemon blue, but it deffo helped me improve.

[chilly ember]

I had an older brother who had blue so i had a little help sometimes

[lament escarp]

I'm really worried my nephew will become one of these guys that watches dubbed anime because -the subtitles ruin the immersion- or some other excuse. 😭

[rose elbow]

maybe u gotta ease them in with some zelda. that has talking AND swords

[chilly ember]

What if they don't watch any anime like me 😂

[rose elbow]

little 7 year old foreign film connoisseur

[lament escarp]

Playing link to the past with him, almost too many words and he is really bad at it.

[lament escarp]

Better look for another uncle then!

[rose elbow]

oh nice. i was thinking of link's awakening also, on the topic of gameboy

[lament escarp]

Right now he only gets to play at my place for good grades, so I'm playing stuff on the gb player with him, so he can take a gameboy and the cartridge with him when he wants/is allowed to play at home.

Links to the past gba version I should mention.

[hollow rune]

I think it is important to emphasize I am a small panda and not a human child, so there are a lot of factors that don't affect me like human children. I don't have a wide social circle outside of family and here. So it is not super analogous. Someone like @wanton sun has way more insight.

Personally, based on stories I have heard about human cousins, there are a few problems.

1. Difficulty
   Old games are harder and it takes a lot to get over that. A lot of you have a muscle built up for that because those games were all you had so it was either practice or you never got to see the next cool thing the game had to offer. You have to value things newer games don't as much, practice, score chasing, and other stuff. The first games were made by people involved in arcades at carnivals and piers and stuff, and the Atari, Arcade, and NES aren't far removed. Which leads to the next problem.

2. Competition
   My mom is human and not a gamer. She didn't grow up with games. If you ask her if she would rather play with Zelda 1 or TotK the choice is very clear and why wouldn't it be. And it isn't just graphics, though the color and vibrancy is big, she also really like the freedom and collecting, which is why Minecraft and Roblox are also popular.

3. Social Aspects
   If you are a human child do you want to play games your friends play or games that old dudes play. Even if a human kid is interested in retro there is way more pull socially to play games the other human kids are actually playing.

Those are the biggest issues to me. My dad used to teach middle school in the USA and before school would usually have a console hooked up to the projector before school and held a club once a week. There were human kids into retro stuff. He said to me one even had a clone NES/SNES on a chip and another brought in their parent's Saturn in like the mid 2010's

I think if they are into the history, play with their parents like I do with my dad, or honestly he noticed Nintendo fans had a easier time enjoying older Nintendo games that is a good gateway.

But honestly the difficulty seems the biggest threshold.

[lament escarp]

And once again, it's really nice gb player, with gbi and rt5x upscaler, so no excuses!

[lament escarp]

Thanks a lot for your insights. You're right about difficulty, he is not willing to put any effort into anything, be it learning how to read or how to play a game. He is just like me in that regard at that age, but come on, pokemon!

[rose elbow]

what games do they enjoy?

like minecraft and stuff?

[chilly ember]

Turn based games are harder for kids to get into these days in my experience

[hollow rune]

But.many love Pokemon, but it is cute, colorful, lots of expressive gameplay

[lament escarp]

They only get to play cheap little games on their tablet outside of my influence. So you'd think their minds would explode when playing decent games.

[hollow rune]

You probably need to play with them, and that is hard when they aren't your children.

[rose elbow]

wait til they see Magical Drop on neo geo

[hollow rune]

And don't pick Mega Man or Castlevania. Super Mario World is even pretty tricky though probably best. My dad says adults at work who play dark souls are all thumbs with even New Super Mario Bros. u Deluxe

[chilly ember]

My nephew only gets to come over on weekends that i have off and would rather play on the gaming pc, we did have a game of mario party that enjoyed though a little bit ago. That's a great one to play with them

[rose elbow]

Mario Party is a good suggestion

[chilly ember]

Just make sure to always practice the mini games with them first or its a unfair advantage

Having a n64 controller helps so they don't confused with controls

[hollow rune]

The controller itself won't be a problem at all

9 is pretty young. Maybe at 12 - 14 it is better. They should just like games first. Try to get them playing Nintendo games and those usually have similar skills that transfer back in time.

Like if you can play Odyssey you can play Mario 64

[rose elbow]

even on the mario party suggestion, i would probably sooner recommend the switch remakes over the n64 version

[lament escarp]

That's about how old you are and you're a fully grown retro wizard!

[hollow rune]

Most of the games are the same.

[rose elbow]

but the visuals

[hollow rune]

Exactly

[rose elbow]

i just know for me personally growing up with NES and old DOS ibm computers. i had zero interest in anything prior to what i grew up with. i'd look at atari 5200 stuff and just have zero interest. why play it ?? i cant imagine how it'd be for kids today when they literally have a shiny phone and tablet to play with

[hollow rune]

Small panda with retro loving dad vs Human child with parents who might not even like games

[chilly ember]

I was one of those kids that got caught up in graphics when i like 6, why would i wanna play side scrollers on snes when i can play ape escape on ps1 or mario 64 on n64

My nephew gets bored fast on old games because alot of the time they don't give you alot of idea of where you need to go

[lament escarp]

He can hardly control 2d zelda, how would he play a modern 3d game?

[chilly ember]

I got my nephew in on pc gaming for Minecraft at a young age to get him used to pc controls so it helped translate a little better. 3d platformers are still tough for him tho

[hollow rune]

I think the amount of choices really is huge. Why struggle with Banjo Kazooie when Fall Guys is way more accessible

[lament escarp]

This is so weird. I had to fight to even get access to games as a kid.

[hollow rune]

Exactly

[chilly ember]

That's another issue is way too many choices, my nephew knows i can get him any game he wants to play for the most part so it's not like he's stuck to two games

[lament escarp]

Now they're not willing to play even when bored out of they're minds during hollydays.

[hollow rune]

You can beat Kirby's Dream Land again or finally figure out dungeon 2 of Links Awakening and see what happens next. Those are the options. Then you might struggle against the clown genie and get a little better at those kinds of games.

[lament escarp]

I'm not giving him choices. Maybe I'll get some cheap lego game we can coop and he doesn't have to play well, so he can -enjoy- it.

[chilly ember]

Lego games were probably some of my nephews favourites because they can co op and not worry about losing, my nephew probably finished all the lego games in the last 6 years at his own place

[lament escarp]

I'll come out and say it, any generation that didn't grow up playing pokemon while listening to linkin park is just worse.

[chilly ember]

But in the end it doesn't even matter

^Silly linkin park reference haha

Pokemon was great when you were stuck in the car travelling, i'd get stuck listening to bad 90s music because my mom and sister wanted to listen to it

Britney spears, spice girls and avril lavigne, all that stuff lol

It was awful 😂

[rose elbow]

funnily enough i first played Pokemon Blue on emulator

which is like, kid staring at computer screen giving it full attention style playing

probably using keyboard

i almost think pokemon was a game i didnt have interest in but was more, it was a good game to play that i had access to and could play it with a keyboard ?

loool

i was just be a scabby freeloader

[chilly ember]

I didn't get into emulators until about the 6th grade, we had ftp we would use to send assignments in but all the kids kept games on their ftp folders so everyone passed around a nes emulator with super mario 3

[rose elbow]

hahahaha

yeah i think i wouldve been in ~6th grade when i played pokemon on emu

foggy memory but about there

[chilly ember]

I can't remember exactly what emulator it was we used but it wasn't anything great. Whatever was around in 2006

I don't think it was nesticle tho

[rose elbow]

yeah i forget what the gb emulator was

[chilly ember]

I started looking into emulators alot more back then, discovered project 64 but it didn't work great on my crappy computer. Explosions would happen in goldeneye and turn into a slide show

[warped cobalt]

If you want pixel perfect N64 emulation (including all vaseline), it still requires a very fast computer. The Ares emulator is a good test. It brings my Steamdeck to its knees. Yet, MiSTer does it effortlessly, consuming less than 20 W.

[vapid hawk]

That’s probably accurate explosions in goldeneye easily halve the framerate

[chilly ember]

True haha, on that computer it was like 1 fps tho

[lament escarp]

It's crazy how well it already plays games. I prefer it to software emulators already.

[storm vessel]

This. It’s actually easy and fun to play already.

[hasty musk]

i hope ocarina of time randomizer works on some day

[odd vector]

doesn't it?

[chilly ember]

I thought it did