Nintendo 64

[lament escarp]

That's a new one. Are you using switch mode or dinput? Did you map it in main till it throws you out again or did you finish early?

[chrome quest]

That may be a bug. Just tested my N64 with Stadium 2, the left hand white line of the text border looks clean, no breakage as seen with Divot: Original @wanton sun

[thorn flax]

anything I can do to test and confirm?

[chrome quest]

Don't think so, unless you wanted to verify on original hardware too. I checked my PAL N64 vs the PAL ROM. I'll add it to the spreadsheet

Only downside is I am testing my N64 with composite cables, so could be double checked with a HDMI mod or something cleaner just to be sure. I'll check again when the YC composite build for today's core is up
(EDIT: Confirmed behaviour with composite build. "VI Divot: OFF" looks more similar to original hardware)

[rotund fox]

blast corps, winback, top gear rally 2 works like a charm

some corruption on top gear rally and world driver championship

mainly billboards and particles and text (just top gear rally)

jet force gemini works in menu than black screen

[chilly ember]

What Robert had to say about jet force gemini this morning, so gonna be a little bit before it starts working

[fair walrus]

is it normal that in fzero, the vi dedither is not working? the dithering is always present (unless it is disable in the VI option of course)

[formal elk]

Im using switch mode, the c-buttons don't work correctly in dinput. I mapped it in main, but finished early when it says to map the mouse buttons. Went to the end and it works perfect now. Didn't realize the analog stick would come back at the end of the mapping. Appreciate the help.

[lament escarp]

You can get dinput also to work by mapping the c buttons as the second stick.

[formal elk]

Ah interesting I'll have to give that a go, thanks for the heads up

[lament escarp]

You're very welcome.

[uneven dagger]

Ahha, I thought I did, but I didn't. Rumble works in s-mode with the custom zImage... but I now have the same issue as @hasty kayak where the controller needs to be re-paired on each boot

[lament escarp]

Just register the controller in switch mode as well as dinput. That way you only have to pair it when you're playing a game that actually uses the rumble.

[uneven dagger]

I'd probably just live without rumble to be honest

[lament escarp]

Then just use dinput. 😄 don't forget to map the c buttons as 2nd stick in main, else they'll won't map correctly in the core.

Just wanted to start a 100% playthrough of brian 64 since the compass is now fixed. Then I notices the black pixels flickering in the edge of the screen. Is this normal or a new bug?

[weary perch]

that should be normal

happens in a ton of games on the edges

just checked, it is normal and occurs on hardware

[lament escarp]

It only happens when vi antialias is enabled, as the screen gains additional pixels all around.

[weary perch]

the exact shape of the artifacts could be imperfect, but the artifacts themselves are there on real hardware

[lament escarp]

Hopefully robert will include a crop option when everything else is finished, this would've been hidden by overscan on a tube.

Thanks a lot for checking!

Is that also normal? 😄

[weary perch]

the flickering text/UI elements issue affects many many games

it does not occur on hardware

appears to be a timing thing in the core, probably will remain until that work gets underway

[chilly ember]

Don't mess up your elements leveling haha, rock and water are the main ones you'll need. I was leveling mine evenly until I realised water was the one for healing

Still beat the thief boss but it was a pain

[lament escarp]

Ah shoot then I'll have to postpone my 100% playtrough of brian yet again, first the pink pixels around the compass and now flickering text!

[lament escarp]

Don't worry, I'm a earth boy.

[weary perch]

that particular issue is probably the most prevalent issue in the core currently, it affects dozens of games

it's a very minor issue, though, in most cases

[chilly ember]

It was randomly crashing too a few builds ago. But I didn't get a crash until I played for over 2 hours

[lament escarp]

Brian is a better protag than cloud strife, link or mario.

[fair stump]

excuses 😂

[lament escarp]

If I had a fancy yt channel like @cerulean elk I'd make a 4h video essay about the matter

[cerulean elk]

lol bout what?

Sorry been a busy day and still is. I haven’t been keeping up

[lament escarp]

This

[weary palm]

Meow

[languid dune]

But even Brian isn't as good of a protagonist as Ultra-InterGalactic-Cybot G Marina Liteyears!

[lone geyser]

mimi [https://github.com/wermipls/mimi] reportedly now mostly works with force WB on (but may still crash). It's the much better controller benchmark so you all should consider using it

[lament escarp]

I don't even know who that nobody is!

[languid dune]

Brian didn't even make the cut for Smash Remix! Marina on the other hand? Yeah baby!

[lament escarp]

It's called balance, you don't put an obviously superior character in a fighting game!

[weary palm]

@lone geyser This doesn't seem accurate at all

[weary perch]

these suggestions were often unheeded by developers 😄

[lone geyser]

I'll get to this but I'm monologuing rn

I've also got some reports that the controller changes have a new issue where controllers with asymmetric gates are having issues hitting corners (don't you wish all stick implementations were hall effect and also all hall effect implementations were good). There are two solutions, the first is to pad it just a few more pixels (I already gave you guys 2, I mean c'mon so picky) which will increase outer deadzone a tad but makes code changes a one liner, the other change would be to track all potential extremes and scale so that the least aggressive of the 8 is used. Would mean a few code changes (ezpz fr ong no worries) and a slightly longer input loop (about 6 integer multiplications per loop) but also that you'd need to hit all 8 directions before scaling was any good and could lead to confusing behavior for people who are uninformed which I think could have a much more notable impact on UX and visibility than the current setup.

Any thoughts?

(The best [but by far most onerous] solution is still adding a stick calibration to the controller setup script)

[lone geyser]

What is this? Dev document for what Big N recommends? Pretty sure they didn't follow their own guidance

Also why is it different up/down vs left/right?

[weary palm]

Yup, programmers manual

[weary perch]

Doom 64 (e.g.) will accept values well beyond what a new N64 controller will output. there's speedrun tech that involves using a neutral reset (L+R+Start) to get higher values to move faster

[lone geyser]

Maybe that is when Mario hits full tilt, actually

[cerulean elk]

45 min till you get your Mischief Makers

[lone geyser]

Tangential fun fact: GameCube does a neutral reset every time you plug the controller in, so if you just hold it in a direction when plugging it in you can get infinite running, no rubber band required

[languid dune]

See! Even Awbacon understands the might of Ultra-InterGalactic-Cybot G Marina Liteyears!

[cerulean elk]

Let’s see if it can take first place in recent views

[languid dune]

Yes, typing her full name was necessary.

[cerulean elk]

See if Mischief Makers has the juice

[languid dune]

Most exciting update video since F-Zero X!

[weary palm]

I think an OEM controller is slightly asymmetrical x and y

But not enough that it matters

[lone geyser]

tf is X axis incline?

It's not a slope

[latent galleon]

@lone geyser doesn't the n64 do that too?

i think it has to

[lone geyser]

Does it? I've played a real N64 like 3 times in my life

[latent galleon]

yeah

it's one of the bytes you can send

you can also hold down l+r+start and it does it manually

[weary perch]

it does, yes. have to leave the stick in neutral when you plug in the controller or else you'll be drifting

[latent galleon]

it's probably something adapters do, and definitely should!

[weary perch]

i never knew the L+R+Start bit when i was growing up, would have prevented a lot of unplugging and replugging controller cables

[lone geyser]

It's gotta be handled on the stick, right?

Otherwise controllers might be able to over/underflow values

Actually they could anyways

IDK

[latent galleon]

it's something the controller does, if that's what you mean

the GC and N64 use the same protocol, as does the GBA link cable (i think)

[lone geyser]

I've used a flashcart to use a GBA as a controller so odds are good

But the same cable can send Pokemon

[native mesa]

It's been a full two weeks of in transit 8bitdo mod kit and still nothing... Anyone else experience a longer wait?

[lone geyser]

My wait has been longer by virtue of not buying one 😎

[latent galleon]

i bought one

can't wait to deliver the bad news

@native mesa people have said everything from 3 weeks to 2 months, i would just be patient

[native mesa]

That's for order not shipment

It's been at some hub in new jersey for 10 days

[latent galleon]

well the last person i asked said two weeks of ship time, and that is faster than i've gotten anything from them before

yeah sometimes stuff sits in customs, sometimes stuff also gets lost

[native mesa]

Guess I'll use this wired controller like some barbarian

[latent galleon]

it's gonna have 87-123ms of latency anyway

[brisk drum]

Did the menus in Wrestlemania 2000 and no mercy get fixed ?

[weary beacon]

Wired is the only way to go unless you're a casual. Luckily we all have options.

[latent galleon]

i'll casual you

[silent marten]

no not yet

[brisk drum]

Thanks for response

Maybe they require tlb

[silent marten]

would they even boot if they did?

[brisk drum]

Nah bro im joking

[weary palm]

I think tracking all eight extremes and then calculate virtual stick position is the way to go. I'm not sure how to find the diagonal extremes, though. Can't use solely Pythagoras, because what if it's a circular gate? Must be something like "the largest distance from origo, within these two angles, say 35 and 55 degrees"

[latent galleon]

i mean my last aliexpress order says "out for delivery" despite obviously still being in china

[brisk drum]

The games work perfectly fine sans the missing menu and text layers

[silent marten]

thought as much 🙂

WM2000 is weird though considering it shows some text at random

[brisk drum]

Yeah and no mercy has the cursor showing but no text at all during cutscenes

[lone geyser]

I went even simpler and made it abs(x - y) > 3

@weary palm

[weary palm]

That works too, if not a bit narrow 😉

[silent marten]

maybe at some point Robert will look at what they are doing wrong and fix them, then hopefully that will fix text in Robotron

[elder scroll]

Hey doods. Hope all are well.

[brisk drum]

Persona 2 had a weird text glitch back in the early days of the psx core

It’ll be fixed just like that was eventually

[silent marten]

for sure, we just don't know when

[lone geyser]

You kind of want it narrow because for a certain kind of gate the point farthest from the center will always be the largest

[brisk drum]

I’m pretty far into rogue squadron .. wonder if todays build totally fixed the UI issues

[fallen sparrow]

Great game

[empty cliff]

remember in the 2000s when nemu64 couldn't do text for like.. 6 years

and you have pulled it off in like a couple of months

[weary palm]

Yes, sure, but will that corner always be at a point where x is that close to y?

[lone geyser]

If we assume that it isn't and that the gate is oblong for example, then it doesn't matter because it won't be the least aggressive scale

[weary palm]

What if it's at say 95,105

[empty cliff]

what do the four colours represent?

[lone geyser]

Part of the algorithm is finding the shortest path. Giving the path opportunities to be longer won't make it better

[weary palm]

Sorry, I don't understand.

[lone geyser]

Graphic time

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-graph-nickelback-gif-12683147

[latent galleon]

listen guys, this is easy

just figure it out

[lone geyser]

(N64 gate isn't a regular polygon, it's pulled on on diags)

[latent galleon]

JUST FIGURE IT OUT

[fair stump]

We posting pentagrams in here now?

Who are we summoning?

[weary palm]

Bowser

[latent galleon]

hopefully we are summoning more graphics from lemonici

[lone geyser]

Goal of the algorithm is to wrap the gate around the target as tightly as possible. If the gate is oblong, the shortest path will always be the top and bottom cardinals

So it makes sense to only track the diagonals directly because that's where a potential "wrapping point" is because the N64 gate is convex

[latent galleon]

so the squarer it is, the worst it gets

[lone geyser]

I don't have a rigorous geometric proof on hand but I'm pretty confident (by way of intuition) that only the 8 extremes on the original gate can be wrapping points

Really any deviation from the N64 gate (see octagon B2)

(though less pronounced diagonals seem to be the most detrimental)

[weary palm]

So you only resize the source to the target. No warping, stretching or rotation. Got it. I had something more complex in mind. Maybe I'll try to implement it one day to see how it feels.

[empty cliff]

thanks vampier

[weary palm]

I honestly think your solution is good enough, though. Just curious.

[cerulean elk]

Mischief Makers vid time

[latent galleon]

wait do does that make a circular gate have the biggest deadzone?

or am i reading that wrong?

B1

[weary palm]

A square gate is worse.

[lone geyser]

I mean the goal is to create a mapping from your controller to the theoretically ideal original. Any stretch or rotation in that mapping is going to make your output stretched and rotated

[latent galleon]

well yeah, square is worse but most people will be using circle, no?

[lone geyser]

Circle by necessity has a larger outer deadzone, yeah

No way to shrink it without also shrinking the domain

[weary palm]

Nah, potentiometers aren't always mounted exactly according to the gate. Let me do my thing, OK?

[latent galleon]

what if the stretched octagon was inscibed on the short vertexes...this hurts my head

[lone geyser]

All good, lol

[weary palm]

I'll do it for the challenge.

[latent galleon]

vertices

[hot spoke]

Has anybody ever tried using more than 2 NSO controllers on the core? I just tried playing F-Zero X with a few friends and as soon as we tried using more than 2 controllers the controllers/the MiSTer started freaking out, turning off controllers, etc.
Didn't matter if we tried via Bluetooth or via USB cable.

[lone geyser]

That's a @hearty oar question

[solemn marlin]

Don't worry guys, I know everything about polynesian sea charts

[lone geyser]

Can I get an MS Paint visual?

[brisk drum]

What kind of hippy Mumbo jumbo is this

[hearty oar]

I can’t say I have 2 to try unfortunately

[rose elbow]

i've used 2 NSO in past and was good (using generic bluetooth usb dongle). not tested recently but can do

[lone geyser]

Have you tried connecting them to another device (other than a Switch) to see what they did?

[hearty oar]

Does it do it with other Nintendo switch controllers? They shouldn’t be any different in that regard

[lone geyser]

I've had finnicky experiences with Joycons is all

[hot spoke]

Like I said, it's working with 2, but not more than 2. BUT I just tried Super Bomberman 2 on the SNES core and used 4 N64 NSO controllers and they worked fine. Going back to the N64 core and it's freaking out again

[rose elbow]

oooo gotcha!

[hot spoke]

More info: Mario Kart 64 seems to work fine

But not F-Zero X

[lone geyser]

Does Mario Kart use rumble?

[hearty oar]

Rumble traffic maybe

Jinx lol

[lone geyser]

Does NSO rumble work on PSX?

[hearty oar]

Yes

[lone geyser]

Might give you the info you need

[languid dune]

Mario Kart 64 does not use rumble.

[hearty oar]

Yep, thus my thought

[languid dune]

The rumble pak wasn't released yet.

Star Fox 64 is the first rumble bumble game!

[hearty oar]

2 pro controllers ought to be able repro the situation as well, should t be any different in that regard, same driver

[latent galleon]

@lone geyser

[hearty oar]

Can’t do so now unfortunately though, am on the train to work

[latent galleon]

like how much lives between red and black there?

[rose elbow]

so far im in f-zero x character select with 3 NSO controllers connected via bluetooth and no issues

[hot spoke]

I tried with rumble on and off

[lone geyser]

So I know that's gonna ruin diagonals in some games. You can notice much smaller deviations than that in Banjo Tooie, for example

[rapid prairie]

@graceful radish any ETA on more reflex adapt units? As this core progresses I want one more and more haha

[hearty oar]

Could be specific to the BT adapter as well I guess

[lone geyser]

But I do see what you're saying

[hot spoke]

3 controllers is already impossible for me, one controller turns off as soon as the 3rd is connected in F-Zero X

But Mario Kart 64 with 4 NSO controllers just worked fine

[rose elbow]

might be the rom? o.O not sure

[hot spoke]

I tried with all controllers via USB

[hearty oar]

Ah, interesting

[hot spoke]

USB and Bluetooth, all the same issue in F-Zero X

[latent galleon]

@lone geyser so a real controller doesn't have the deadzone living on diagonals?

[rose elbow]

this is using 3x NSO n64 on my end

[carmine kettle]

3 seperate BT?

[rose elbow]

just the 1x Bluetooth Adapter for PC, ZEXMTE USB Bluetooth Adapter

[lone geyser]

@viscid gate was able to notice slower running at 65, 65 instead of 69, 69 (though we should acknowledge the possibility of selection bias; maybe they got lucky and noticed something that isn't real but were by chance correct that only that corner would be too small; personally I'm pretty comfortable rejecting that idea)

[lone geyser]

A real controller, optimally scaled, shouldn't have any outer deadzone issues

[latent galleon]

but they are actually oblong, so the controller is sending bigger numbers on the diagonals to the console, no?

this isn't actually helping you, but i am curious

or is this for non-nintendo controllers

[lone geyser]

If they're oblong it's not by very much and the deadzone will be small

[rose elbow]

@hot spoke just tested the 3x NSO n64 controllers on f-zero x with USB and still working. not too sure what is causing the issues on your end but can confirm working here at least

and i have the character select music looping as "troubleshooting" music

[hot spoke]

Do you have a BlisSTer board or normal USB Hub?

[rose elbow]

USB Hub

[hot spoke]

I will test tomorrow with my other MiSTer with normal USB hub

Thanks for testing!

[rose elbow]

its so weird its specific to F-Zero X but Mario Kart 64 worked for example

[hot spoke]

Yeah, my thoughts as well

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune mischief makers had what it took to take number 1

[rose elbow]

get wrecked yoshi. i also half wonder if its something to do with the mr beast style thumbnails of having the 'content creators' face big and upfront in the thumbnail, coz people like connecting with people kinda psychology thing 🤔 and the mischief makers thumbnail has the main character (who happens to be an anime girl) in big clear detail .. ramble ramble

[latent galleon]

i still don't understand why the best we can do isn't just kind of a a circle wrapped around the shortest vertices, the dead zone has to live somewhere, and that would be best for the most common gate type (circular), but i also haven't thought about this nearly as much as everybody else

[eternal island]

how is it so far? i had gotten intermittent crashing before

[lament escarp]

I only trained up before town so far, no crashes yet.

[eternal island]

i made it that far with no crashing, but the intervals are random

my buddy was playing it for 3-4 hours or so

[chilly ember]

I made it past the forest, to the next town and it crashed in the Inn

[eternal island]

he eventually gave up. it was a battle to reach a save point lol

[chilly ember]

Luckily right after I saved

[eternal island]

if you grinded at all, solid chance it would be made useless

[latent galleon]

@native mesa oh i don't know why i thought it was coming from china, my modkit is also hanging out in perth amboy, nj

shout out to my aunt

and uncle, and other aunt, and also many cousins

[lone geyser]

The code is pretty well set up to be able to make any changes that interest you and compile times are like...3 seconds so if you want to try anything lmk

[chilly ember]

The worst would be training agility over night where you rubber band a joystick or open the osd while holding joystick to the right so you keep running in circles. Come back to it and it crashed

I might try that when I go to bed tonight and see if it crashes

[latent galleon]

@lone geyser yeah i was looking at it, but honestly it doesn't feel bad on a normal analog stick so i don't know how much of a problem it is in practice

like what you have works really well on my gated controller, it's just a tradeoff either way

[lone geyser]

I did write that one unhinged algorithm that scales the circle to the octagon so it wouldn't have any deadzone but also wasn't linear

[latent galleon]

i wonder if there is a way to take the same calibration data and use it two different ways in the core

like circular vs gated

circle is so easy, just make the radius 80 or whatever

[lone geyser]

It's not that critical because there's also the Simple64 algorithm and people don't seem to have many complaints

Which is similar to what you described

Here's the unhinged one

[graceful radish]

Yep, they’re about 1 month away 🙂

[latent galleon]

wow i thought you were going to drop controller knowledge

@lone geyser how did that feel? because that is great...maybe not wise, but great

but would also be cool as shit if it worked well

i'm just curious how well our brains pick up on something like that

[rapid prairie]

Awesome!

[languid dune]

Was there ever any doubt?!

[cerulean elk]

Haha that it would beat Yoshi thumb and Mumbo thumb? Yeah I’m surprised

[languid dune]

Ultra-InterGalactic-Cybot G Marina Liteyears never misses!

If only I could have recorded footage for it. I'd show the viewers how Marina gets business done.

lol, I'm kidding. Great video as always!

[manic basin]

This is was my first time playing. Literally. First time I'd ever played it.

[languid dune]

So what you're saying is that it was a transcendent experience?

[lone geyser]

Was never implemented on hardware. This was back when things were being speculated and I wasn't brave enough to try and compile main

I can tell you that it's slow

Though probably not terrible, actually. I've been surprised by the FLOPS on the DE-10 before

[weary palm]

How many flops would it use up

[lone geyser]

0, It's the perfect algorithm so it gives anyone who uses it a stiffy

https://tenor.com/view/dab-dabbing-kid-dab-kid-dabbing-cool-dab-gif-20792759

(Can't remember off the top of my head but the R code I used is right under it)

[latent galleon]

i don't program enough to not always be surprised at how fast everything is

[lone geyser]

I was doing a ton of bit shifts and who knows what else tomfoolery with the original implementation before markun started benchmarking and realized it was usually faster to just use float point in a few places

[weary palm]

I think you would be hard pressed to write an algorithm that's so slow that it's noticeable.

[lone geyser]

Prolly true, lol

But it's running over and over and over again in the input loop so maybe out of all these inputs we've done as a group it bumped one or two up a frame

Maybe

[latent galleon]

the n64 controller is the first time i've used my logic analyzer and the speed of it is still crazy to me...hits different than my scope

[weary palm]

Yeah, but only at 1000 times a second on four controllers, worst case.

[latent galleon]

also how is a 24mhz logic analyzer $5?

[lone geyser]

It was partially a matter of getting it ready for verilog if it came to it

[weary palm]

Good argument

[lone geyser]

ALMs are precious

[latent galleon]

well i think what you have works well for gated controllers, and if you wanted to minimize dead zones on modern controllers it probably needs to be an option somewhere

the trashheap has spoken

naaaaa

shit have you ever seen fraggle rock @lone geyser ?

i just sound deranged

[empty cliff]

if only it were possible to have rumble pack and memory card simultaneously

[lone geyser]

Never watched an episode but there was an ad for it at the beginning of one of my childhood VHS tapes so the theme song is nostalgic

[latent galleon]

well there was a talking trash heap and some sycophant rats, honestly the whole world map in fraggle rock is a little confusing

[cerulean elk]

Get a capture card. Join in on the fun

[lone geyser]

1080p60 is basically free nowadays

[tawdry depot]

@lone geyser I was looking at your code for analog input scaling. Have you considered something such as a LUT? To trade CPU time for memory?

[lone geyser]

Markun did. LUT was huge but technically viable

But big enough to be discouraged

[manic basin]

When you realize they're all moon worshiping pagans apart from the convert (Boober) it gets into 'dude I'm so high, and I have this theory' territory.

[lone geyser]

Also that function averages 112ns and I'm okay with that

[tawdry depot]

Was it a full LUT or quarter size?

[lone geyser]

A 1/8th LUT still has 8192 entries

You could limit it to values for clamping
but it's still big

[manic basin]

My color grade senses are tingling. LUTs everywhere!

[tawdry depot]

8k memory isn't bad

[lone geyser]

It would also only address the clamping. None of this other dynamic stuff

[tawdry depot]

This isn't a video LUT, it's a analog input LUT for computed transformations.

[manic basin]

No, I know

It's just one of those terms that is overloaded for me.

[tawdry depot]

True, the one plus of the ARM HPS is that it supports hard float calculations

[cerulean elk]

It’s a sandwich. Lettuce under Tomato. Vegetarian special. @manic basin eats them daily

[manic basin]

With mutton. I'm really bad at being vegetarian, but really into film references.

[tawdry depot]

I still want to experiment with pure kernel device piping of controllers to an exposed FPGA device input

[mortal panther]

MLT? 😉

[tawdry depot]

Me too, I have a smoking addiction.

[manic basin]

Smoked turkey is an Achilles' heel for me. I love it. I try to push for it every year - but I can't justify a smoker for one meat and I know that's all I'd do with it.

[tawdry depot]

Most smokers are basically a temp compensated oven. So you can use them to get wood flavor into things like pizza.

[manic basin]

My ambition falls off sharply for general use. But I should just justify it to myself and bite the bullet. Because I know I'd at the very least get a month or two of heavy use.

[cerulean elk]

Mmmmm mutton

[manic basin]

Humperdink!

[cold pollen]

How's Pokemon Puzzle League running?

[mellow raft]

I'm not listening!

[zenith orchid]

looks like harvest moon 64 is perfect so far

the janky sprite loading is in the original game

[languid dune]

Other than the video sequences, it's running basically perfect.

[cold pollen]

video still borked?

[languid dune]

Yeah, they still have the glitchy black lines throughout them.

[cold pollen]

gotcha

[mellow raft]

There was an N64 game with prerendered video?

Huh....

[languid dune]

I did a very hard mode play through like a week ago, and it was flawless.

[languid dune]

A couple yeah.

RE2 and Puzzle League.

[mellow raft]

I thought it was impractical with the cartridge size

I wonder how they fit that

[languid dune]

Angel Studios were wizards at the time, so they got RE2 working.

[mellow raft]

Yeah that shocks me

[orchid nimbus]

Red Elert 2

[mellow raft]

If it has a lot of black pixels on the video though might make sense.

[languid dune]

Resident Evil 2's video sequences and voices are just a lot more compressed looking/sounding compared to PS1.

[mellow raft]

Ah

[languid dune]

But the real time visuals are higher res with an N64 expansion pak.

[mellow raft]

Dang it was the same sequence

[mellow raft]

Yeah

[languid dune]

N64 RE2 also had a non tank controls option, which makes it the best version in my opinion.

[fierce girder]

Non tank controls in N64 RE2 almost feels like cheating, it’s so easy to slip by zombies

I like playing it more than the ps1 version as well

[languid dune]

Yeah, it's still better though. I don't mind tank controls, and I've used them plenty of times in other classic RE games. But I will always choose the non tank option if it's available.

[timid torrent]

They all use a chip that was supposed to connect 8 pins from an FPGA to USB high speed at a clock rate of ~24MHz. But instead of the FPGA data you can just wire the 8 pins straight into some logic signals and you get them streamed to the PC side. Also then that chip itself got cloned and so they went from $40 each to like $1 each

[rose elbow]

i was curious if the opening to Banjo Kazooie is pre-rendered or not, theres a weird little pause between scene transitions in the opening logo animations

but might just be some other reason to it

[orchid nimbus]

so what's new with the core?

[native mesa]

Some pixels in Brian 64

[modern sleet]

It plays 3DO

[orchid nimbus]

so Qvest64 is good now?

[rose elbow]

Cheats are going to be implemented torwards the end of the core development. Still unplayable for now

[orchid nimbus]

how do you even level up

fights are random

there is no rhyme nor reason to this game

[native mesa]

You have to get the rhyme and reason spells first

[mortal panther]

The core is still severely broken.
I just checked Superman 64, and it still boots.

[rose elbow]

there was more discussion about it back here #1096015979055697940 message . not too clear if the game is still crashing with current core

[marble cargo]

There isn't a level system in the traditional sense. It's similar to Final Fantasy II, where stat growth happens organically through repetitive actions.

[rose elbow]

Skyrim 64

[languid dune]

Banjo-Kazooie's opening is definitely not pre-rendered. You can even toggle all the visual modes on and off like texture filtering, dithering, etc. and see the real-time changes.

[rose elbow]

good point good point. had a feeling, was just confused what was going on and thinking out loud aha

[native mesa]

I think there are very few prerendered N64 sequences because Nintendo shit the bed and didn't go with discs

[vapid hawk]

also - n64 was fairly bad at decoding video overall i'm pretty sure

since it lacks anything like PSX's mdec

read that paper on the fmv in RE2 to see how much effort that took

[zinc dew]

Nintendo knew the future wasn’t pre-rendered. We just needed to get graphics good enough to do it in real time. N64 wins again.

Future console for future people

[vapid hawk]

yeah they were only wrong by about 30 years 😛

[carmine kettle]

fluest64

[zinc dew]

quest 64 works now, you can type it

[languid dune]

Brian 64

You're right!

[zinc dew]

lol

[carmine kettle]

im temp but i aint typing it

[zinc dew]

im not joking

[carmine kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-scared-bro-mark-philips-rdcworld1-i'm-afraid-i-don't-like-this-gif-17546107237132067615

[ocean lily]

the n64's co-processor was 2x faster than a PSX, much less the main CPU - video decoding wouldn't be a problem

problem was cartridge capacity

[vapid hawk]

PSX has dedicated silicon for decoding fmv, its not even close

[ocean lily]

and even with that dedicated silicon, the FMV quality was garbage

[zinc dew]

I thought it was good for 94

[ocean lily]

DVD did it better

[vapid hawk]

RE2 is the best comparison point and... its absolutely terrible on n64 lol. half the framerate, half the resolution, half the color depth, and it still took a miracle to decode and display on n64

[surreal summit]

People have done video on the SNES (MSU1), so I doubt not having a dedicated chip is is where the bottleneck is.

[ocean lily]

no miracle to decode or display - they had to fit it all into a single cart with 5% of the capacity it shipped on for PSX

[vapid hawk]

no that was only half the problem

https://ultra64.ca/files/other/Game-Developer-Magazine/GDM_September_2000_Achieving_Full-Motion_Video_on_the_Nintnedo_64.pdf

[ocean lily]

if bink could run on saturn, you can bet it would have run even higher quality on n64

[native mesa]

MSU-1 is a dedicated "chip"

[vapid hawk]

read up on all the stuff they had to do - not just for space but to make it decode at all

[chilly ember]

Mvg has a video on it

[frail jolt]

I am mad he quit the podcast... his podcast was good

[zinc dew]

what’s the point we’re arguing about again?

[chilly ember]

He had a podcast?

[frail jolt]

Only like 6 eps..but loved them all

[ocean lily]

yes, they made a video decoder to decode the video

imagine decoding audio or video needing some math

[vapid hawk]

yeah but read it, they had to do beam racing and all sorts of tricks

it took a whole developer like a year

all for a result 1/8th as good as you could get on psx in a few days using routines right out of the sdk

[ocean lily]

most of that work was from how they encoded the video to fit it on the cart though - not that the n64 would have a hard time decoding video generally

[chilly ember]

You run in circles to increase your agility

[polar raft]

half a developer would have taken 2 years

[mild ether]

The intro for oot is done in engine and I imagine that is true for most N64 games because they are on cartridge and not discs.

[native mesa]

It would take 69 developers 0.014492753623188 years

[ocean lily]

it helps when your console can generate proper polygons instead of just vomiting half-baked jittery triangles all over the place

[native mesa]

Robert when will we get an FPU toggle

[zinc dew]

they’re all proper polygons, don’t jitter shame

[ocean lily]

and filtered, perspective correct textures

[native mesa]

Eh they are still a bit wibbly wobbly

Just hidden by all the vaseline

[ocean lily]

most of that vaseline was the crappy RF connection to a TV made in the 80's

[zealous hull]

Ironically as a jaggie enjoyer--my favorite N64 game looks like absolute ass without all of Robert's toggles active.

I am ashamed.

[native mesa]

You're no son of mine

[ocean lily]

if i wanted to turn off all the options, i'd just use the PSX core

[zinc dew]

Without all the VI it’s astonishing how a lot of games look like subpar PS1 titles, just with better draw distance.

[zealous hull]

As a jiggy enjoyer. This core is amazing.

[ocean lily]

often the actual game on a disc wasn't any bigger than an n64 cart - they just padded out with FMVs or CD audio

[native mesa]

Idk if oot came out on PS1 it would still have been legendary

[zealous hull]

Imagine OoT with voice acting...

[ocean lily]

i don't see the PSX playing MP3s like the n64

[native mesa]

https://strefapsx.pl/odtwarzanie-mp3-playstation/

[ocean lily]

ew dongles

[zinc dew]

don’t dongle shame

[native mesa]

Cartridges are just dongles in the end

[ocean lily]

next you'll show me PSX with that VCD decoder

[zealous hull]

nsfw tag please
/s

The true Yoshi's Story experience is playing each level one at a time in Trial Mode.

[zinc dew]

That reminds me, all the VI stuff was implemented, right?

[vapid hawk]

i think there's one thing left

vertical guard? i'm not sure what it means some kind of cropping maybe

[zinc dew]

I hope it’s better than StarFox guard

[sly wasp]

source?

[robust trout]

Expecting a lot of uninterrupted 'me time' this weekend 👇

[zinc dew]

I have so many questions on how each of those play into “me time”

[robust trout]

I'm cleaning and lubing my controllers, yo 😭

[vapid hawk]

got that honda sauce

[storm vessel]

Lubing my controllers was not something I was expecting to hear today 🤣

[robust trout]

Yep, thx @vapid hawk
#1096015979055697940 message

[vapid hawk]

oh did i recommend it heh

i need to go back and refurb some of mine more, i finally got some grey colored sticks

[native mesa]

Where's the vaseline

[desert crow]

I think I have the same set of screwdrivers

[storm vessel]

For this core, I opened a NIB Nintendo brand controller - the stick feels fine but I wonder if it should be lubricated due to age.

[chilly ember]

Lubing his joystick

[vapid hawk]

lubricating it now will increase its lifespan

like a lot

[storm vessel]

(One more thing to learn how to do 😅)

[chilly ember]

Better to use some lube instead of going in dry

[vapid hawk]

probably same with the NSO but i'm not sure people have had them long enough to be sure

maybe they used harder plastics or something

[chilly ember]

Hall effect 8bitdo ftw

[storm vessel]

Then again, I never wore out a N64 control stick - notenoughgamesmeme?

[vapid hawk]

if you never played mario party and don't have a heavy thumb it can be much less of an issue yeah

[chilly ember]

my n64 controllers aren't in great condition, no drift or anything but i would rather use my 8bitdo now. Tried perfect dark on the n64 the other day to do some testing for a bug with tlb patch was happy to go back to the 8bitdo on mister

[lone geyser]

Speaking of wear, what's the magic lube I'm supposed to use? Just bought the gears from kitsch

Also realizing that I have no way to interface with my controller, lmao

[languid dune]

Hey! Star Fox Guard was good!

[vapid hawk]

honda shin etsu silicone grease

its usually for cars i think

[lone geyser]

Shin etsu specifically or any automotive silicone grease?

Super lube is easier to come by round these here parts

[vapid hawk]

presumably any? i got this recommendation from smokemonster

superlube has a lot different consistency

[lone geyser]

(P.S. typing silicone lube in the Amazon search bar is not helpful)

[vapid hawk]

not with that attitude

think i got mine on ebay

its kinda expensive like £23, but one tube will last you a lifetime lol

i use it on arcade sticks and stuff too

[lone geyser]

Actually there is a Honda dealership near me. I wonder if they might carry it

[vapid hawk]

i think so yeah

[lone geyser]

Slick

[vapid hawk]

its meant for like, treating rubber seals and seats and stuff i think

[lone geyser]

(especially given the subject matter)

[robust trout]

https://youtu.be/3mYjgqrgtJY

[storm vessel]

Nice~ Thx 😃

[lone geyser]

I tore mine apart the other day and only at the end realized I had no clue how to put it back together. Since I'm waiting on parts anyways I decided to leave it at that and just put them all in a baggie and call it a day

[manic basin]

I have two I restored after replacing them with the hall effect sensors from 8bit. But I doubt I'll ever put them in anything. They are like bone rubbing on bone to me now.

[uncut gyro]

@illuminado gave me the best tip: record a video of the tear down and then run it backwards

[chilly ember]

Lol i did that too on my worst controller, then it stayed in a baggie and i just put a 8bitdo kit in the shell instead lol

[manic basin]

Once you know, it's totally logical. But up until you KNOW it, it's like a damned puzzle cube and it's got such wonders to show you.

[uncut gyro]

yup. He told me that and I felt so dumb

I attempted to take apart the Wii he had modded for me so I could update the WiiDual firmware, but I chickened out after 10 different screws

[manic basin]

I wasn't ready for the plastic dust. I thought 'oh, it's probably just worn away.' But you open it and suddenly you look like you shook hands with Tony Montana in the bathroom.

[atomic stratus]

I got myself one of those a few months back too. Need to get myself a Reflex adapter and try it on the core

[manic basin]

It's, without a hint of hesitation,

[atomic stratus]

that’s awesome to hear!

[chilly ember]

I love the 8bitdo kit, stick is so smooth

[manic basin]

Agree entirely.

[sly wasp]

"VI Processing is done but not output" Source: #1096015979055697940 message and #1096015979055697940 message

[orchid nimbus]

how about 420 devs?

¯★¯L𝕊𝔻¯★¯

hmmmmm..... that takes me down a TRIP on memory lane

[orchid nimbus]

according to the timeline VI processing

[zenith orchid]

yeah, there's still finishing touches and refinements for VI, to make room for TLB and the remaining work on RCP

[orchid nimbus]

and the bugs....

[sly wasp]

Shit Enzu is tried and tested on arcade sticks by lots of people so that's what I overpaid for but you can also use cheap bulb grease apparently..lots of reddit threads on this including this one https://www.reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/ordtxw/alternatives_to_shinetsu_grease/

[zenith orchid]

Man, I really feel like if anyone could implement a pentium on the de10 nano, it would definitely be Robert

[orchid nimbus]

why would you do that?

my x64 does a perfectly good job

comes with extra features too

unless it's that pentium with the gloating foint bug

aka: Pentium FDIV bug

[chilly ember]

Best i can do is intel dx2

[orchid nimbus]

beginner

oh wait - I don't know crap about CPUs

moving on

[wanton sun]

Yes i'm aware of that. It's probably not a Divot bug but coverage bug in the RDP. Mario64 also has this with hud elements. need to research it

[rose elbow]

Thank you again FPGAzumSpass for all the work ! hope you are enjoying some down time testing games :) :) :)

[zenith orchid]

some old games don't work so well on my x64. they require some kind of x86 software emulation, which means there's definitely a good case for an FPGA implementation. but yeah I don't want to go to deep into the subject. I'm just saying if Robert takes it on, then for sure the project is in good hands.

[orchid nimbus]

but I like the winking star!!

I never had an n64 and the only game I played on it back in the day was Mario 64 - for me it looks perfect as it is

and that's based on the versions I bought for the Wii

[chilly ember]

Is this better?

[orchid nimbus]

that was a co-processor right?

[native mesa]

486 core is plenty for me

[chilly ember]

😂 Off topic. Sorry carry on

[zenith orchid]

The only reason I mention it is because pentium is considered a pipe dream on the MiSTer. much like PSX and N64 was

[chilly ember]

No math co processor tho

[native mesa]

Oh no daggerfall will look like a PS1!

[zenith orchid]

oh man, if only there were a Daggerfall for PS1. The closest we got was ultima underworld

[chilly ember]

I keep my 486 pc around so I can play humpty's scramble, needs the math co processor

[zenith orchid]

Ah, that reminds me, I need to check out bubble bobble 64

[native mesa]

Kings Field?

[zenith orchid]

omg it works!

[chilly ember]

I'm half way through megaman 64, its awful compared to ps1 version but i'm gonna finish it

[zenith orchid]

@chilly ember does it at least control better?

[chilly ember]

Debatable

Some ways yes

The frame rate is worse tho

[latent galleon]

ao486 is literally a machine port of an emulator

[zenith orchid]

yeah thats my issue with it

[latent galleon]

but hey it is very playable now

there just aren’t many people who can make a cpu from scratch in this scene, let alone an x86 but hey

maybe someday

[chilly ember]

I'm too young for 486 but i got a 486 pc for 25 bucks canadian. just had to replace the cpu on, Original would freeze on doom

Swapped the dx2 for another dx2 and good as new

[latent galleon]

that is pretty young

[orchid nimbus]

who remembers this?

this is ancient

[chilly ember]

So long ago

[orchid nimbus]

82% compatibility rate

[chilly ember]

We need more completionists

I've been trying to go for the less desirable games now instead of trying to complete games that the majority of people wanna play. So here i am playing megaman 64 :p

[zenith orchid]

aye caramba. bubble bobble '99 keeps hanging randomly and there are flickering sprites

mainly when you go in game or let the demo play out

[native mesa]

Is that not what the PSX and N64 cores are?

[latent galleon]

hell no

and people who say that on the internet make me shake my fist, angrily

[native mesa]

Well ive got news for ya bud

That's Roberts workflow

[latent galleon]

gee, you don't say

[fair stump]

That's partly why I beat paperboy 😆

[chilly ember]

Someone's gotta do it :p

[calm anvil]

Banjo-tooie loads with the NTSC crack, looks normal, but then controls dont register and the intro eventually fades to a black screen with a E0000080 error

[chilly ember]

If the bad games are working that Robert doesn't look at, i'd say that's pretty good

[mossy needle]

Completing DK64 was already like completely 3 games

[mossy needle]

That happened to me as well. I kept resetting and rebooting and it eventually worked

[native mesa]

When collectathons were ultra collectathony

[mossy needle]

Remember this core is still in alpha

[chilly ember]

I thought banjo tooie crack patch was getting in game? I tried it once and got in game but i didn't play more than that

[mossy needle]

Sometimes it hangs at the title screen

Somewhat reproducible but sometimes it's fine

You know it will hang when it doesn't let you push start when it should

Tooie is the next one I want to complete. It will take some time especially with my work schedule

[calm anvil]

the patched perfect dark rom says its not in the database, I assume thats normal too?

[mossy needle]

Correct

[calm anvil]

k, just thought that that was odd with the other 2 patched roms not doing that

but glad to know thats normal

[mossy needle]

Apparently you need to add something to the database but I am too lazy to figure it out

[calm anvil]

yeah I would like to learn because I would love to play the hacked zelda roms

and those arent part of the normal everdrive packs

https://www.romhacking.net/community/5939/

these

major QOL hacks

[mossy needle]

Something you can do for now is start which ever zelda game is being hacked, turn off auto detect and then start the hack

[lament escarp]

The new database also contains information from the header, so it can still load the information even when the hash fails

[native mesa]

Use patcher 64 and the latest mister unstable https://github.com/Admentus64/Patcher64Plus-Tool

This has the Zelda redux qol patches built into a nice GUI and all togglable plus much more

[chilly ember]

I guess Banjo Tooie does crash when it goes to the gameplay demo

[calm anvil]

im kinda suprised these QOL versions of these games arent in the everdrive packs

[mossy needle]

I've heard about those and really want to try them

[chilly ember]

The perfect dark tlb removal hack has a bug in Carrington Institute level where the skedar don't plant the bomb, same thing on real hardware

[native mesa]

Eh I'd rather patch things to my liking anyway

[mossy needle]

I heard about this. I guess we wait

[native mesa]

I was happy to change Hyrule field music to a more classic tune

[chilly ember]

If it even gets fixed, the github hasn't got a update in 5 months

[calm anvil]

yup exact same thing happens to me

[chilly ember]

I'm guessing the skedar don't plant the bomb because the hack loads the other rooms into memory

[calm anvil]

also I guess I never tried the redux hacks with the newer builds of this core, they seem to launch now which is nice but they get the database error

which idk if thats a massive deal if they launch?

says you might not be able to save?

[native mesa]

They don't with the latest mister unstable

[calm anvil]

dont what?

I have the lastest mister unstable

they are launching

dont save?

[native mesa]

They shouldn't throw an error

Do you have the new N64 Database to go with it?

[calm anvil]

it was dated 10-12

[native mesa]

It has 'new' in the name

[calm anvil]

let me check again

[native mesa]

Then you gotta rename it to the regular name

That has the extra column

[calm anvil]

doesnt that download with the auto update?

[native mesa]

Not yet

[odd vector]

but you could use the update_N64 script from Vampier

[calm anvil]

even if you added that line in the update?

[odd vector]

dunno, I'm running it always separate

[mossy needle]

I was saying more waiting until TLB implementation but I guess this hack does make the game more playable than the original

[odd vector]

oh, just realized that it isn't available to download anymore 😮

[native mesa]

Not until it's in mister main

[odd vector]

still using Vampier's N64 Update script 😄 It does the job for me

[calm anvil]

[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip

I thought this did that

[native mesa]

No the updated database isn't rolled out yet

You gotta download it. @weary palm made it search his posts

[odd vector]

is it also possible to integrate it into update_all or is that also already deprecated?

[calm anvil]

#1096015979055697940 message

this?

[native mesa]

Yeah that's it

[calm anvil]

so just rename it and copy it over and it should remove all those errors then? but if I update the core again it will copy overwrite it correct?

[native mesa]

Yea

There's a user database you can have too

That doesn't get overwritten

[calm anvil]

so should I rename this new one the user one or something?

[native mesa]

Yeah

[calm anvil]

N64-database_user.txt

yeah cuz that new one is a LOT smaller than the official one

[native mesa]

Yeah it would cause issues for people not on unstable so it's gotta wait

[calm anvil]

awesome

error is now gone with it being named user

and keeping the old one as well

ty for that tip

[junior yarrow]

simply follow in his footsteps https://youtu.be/AjLFEOMGKPg?si=pdqmOEfzypradE9O

[chilly ember]

I might have insane in my name but i'm not that crazy lol

[junior yarrow]

Are you saying completing the 25 hour long mahjong game doesn't sound like a blast

[chilly ember]

If my grandfather was still alive, i'm sure he'd love it

[weary palm]

Pokémon Puzzle League has some FMV. And Wheel of Fortune.

[languid dune]

I think the only version of Wheel of Fortune I've ever played was the old Apple II version. 😅

[latent galleon]

wait there is wheel of fortune?

it is so good on sega cd

[languid dune]

I'm curious now which version is the best version of Wheel of Fortune ever made.

Other than...I suppose being an actual contestant on the real show.

[latent galleon]

i bet the pc version of the sega cd game, because it has all the colors

https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/w/wheel-of-fortune-lv3/webp/wheel-of-fortune_3.webp

[chilly ember]

@weary palm you still interested in a perfect dark save with everything unlocked? I managed to convert one of my own saves from mister to use on my everdrive then back with savefileconverter.com for the tlb hack. I found a save from a retropie save archive. works on my everdrive but i can't get it working with mister

[zenith orchid]

body harvest is so much fun. wish I played it back in the day

[languid dune]

It's basically their prototype for GTA3. Same developer!

[chilly ember]

@weary palm here's a direct link. I can confirm it works on my everdrive but getting it converted was a no go for mister

https://github.com/madmodder123/retropie_saves/blob/master/n64/Perfect Dark (U) (V1.1) [!].eep

[weary palm]

Thank you, but I managed to do exactly that by myself. I was hoping you could use the classic weapons in multi-player, but that's a bust.

[chilly ember]

You got a patch?

[vapid hawk]

you're a little bit missing out if you don't unlock the cheats naturally

[chilly ember]

Yea but the tlb hack is bugged anyways

And it crashes

[vapid hawk]

its like a great beginners intro to speedrunning

[weary palm]

Not missing out, I played it 22 years ago.

[chilly ember]

So did I

Still love it

[vapid hawk]

ah fair enough yeah if you've done it before

[chilly ember]

I finished it on perfect agent once but that was on the xbla version 😂

I could do it again on mister core but a patch with everything unlocked would save so much time

[weary palm]

I would give you my save file, but I'm not home and probably won't be for a while.

[chilly ember]

I'm fine with that as long as you upload it when you get a chance

[chilly ember]

How long is a while? Did you leave home without your mister for a trip or is a while just a few hours?

[weary palm]

Nah, I'm in the hospital

[chilly ember]

Oh 😦

Hope everything is okay

[weary palm]

Meh. 😅

[eternal ravine]

Win if you can, Lose if you must
But always cheat

C.H.U.D. 64 could have been great

[chilly ember]

I'll have you know I take completing games on the core very seriously 😛 losing is not an option

Winners don't cheat 😄

[chilly ember]

I'm sure I missed out on a chud reference tho :P, I guess i didn't see that movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJckCjZ8Tdw&t=18s I suppose I didn't exist until 10 years later after that movie was released

[weary palm]

And cheaters do not lose

[eternal ravine]

Losers do not cheat

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/ZxJVaQTWQ24?si=f_DeJleZ0fT6Mx9E

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/16-de-septiembre-gif-23107798

[chrome quest]

That's not cheating. That's jumping, with style!

[weary palm]

Why cap backwards speed? xD

[chilly ember]

Filthy cheat super mario 64 run :p

[eternal ravine]

I need to learn how to cheat at pinball

[chilly ember]

I can speedrun mario 64 but I can admit my skills in other games are not as advanced 😂

[chilly ember]

Tilt!

[eternal ravine]

The last games I spent time on for speedrunning were arcade Ghouls & Ghosts, Genesis GnG, and Alisia Dragoon
Difficulty maxed

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-cool-kids-hows-it-going-hi-whats-up-hello-gif-14675036

[chilly ember]

I suck at ghosts and goblins and all those

[eternal ravine]

I only really love Ghouls & Ghosts

GnG 64 could have been something

[chilly ember]

Not into to goblin?

Deez nuts

Got em

[eternal ravine]

SNES GnG has some great graphics, but struggles
And what up with double jumping

What is this, magic land?

He learned how to do an impossible jumping tech but forgot how to throw things up and down

[junior yarrow]

Would anyone have a clue what mario golf and mario tennis use tlb for anyway

[chilly ember]

Balls

[heady mason]

Yeah, I do not understand what people have against what happened there. Although progress has been slow for the last several months now, season 9 might be the longest in the history of SoT, but then an update came about them actually doing some big changes, anticheat, hitreg fixes, dual firearm balance change and more. Things the community has been asking for, for years and now it seems to finally be coming.

[chilly ember]

I wish i could get into Sea of Thieves but i want Conker's Bad Fur Day 2 too much from Rareware

I know they'd fuck it up but i still want it. It's a crime to sit on that IP for over 20 years

The Perfect Dark reboot wasn't even given to Rareware from Microsoft

[karmic locust]

Is it likely there'll be much overhead left on the FPGA implement a Turbo Mode like the PS1 core has?

[chilly ember]

I wouldn't count on it but if it happens it would be a great bonus

Core is already pretty tight

[sly wasp]

There isn't a Bubble Bobble 64: There's PUZZLE bobble 64 (aka bust a move '99) and Bubble Bobble (incomplete arcade core). The arcade core (Bubble Bobble) is a much better 2 player game imho..I only correct so that some people can try out the original and will probably love it (even in it's incomplete state)

But it's made by Jotego so will probably never be completed because he keeps taking on New projects without finishing any old ones (eg Cps1, Cps2, S16, Super Hangon/Outrun, etc)

[chilly ember]

Quanity over quality

[rose elbow]

what was unfinished about that one ?

[chilly ember]

Did the Neogeo pocket ever get finished?

I havent been keeping up with the news :/

[sly wasp]

if you complete it in the arcade, it gives you a message / code (saying "It was not a true ending") . The code (1P, Jump, Bubble Button, Left, Right, Jump, 1P, and Right. ) activates Super Bubble Bobble. and makes the true ending possible.. The files are in the Rom but the MiSTer one doesn't activate Super Bubble Bobble (completable)

[rose elbow]

seems to work here

pinged you in General

[rotund fox]

where I can find the n64 mister guide that was posted here long ago? I can't find it anymore

[quasi storm]

You mean

https://vampier.net/N64

?

[rotund fox]

ahhhhh thanks!

[quasi storm]

Check the pins. That is where you will find helpful stuff like that.

[rotund fox]

oh right thanks!

[empty cliff]

is the N64 Database part necessary to get games to run?

[cobalt junco]

It's a good idea to set up the database so you can save your games. It might have changed but the database also assist with setting up the CIC

[empty cliff]

will it even work with random custom roms?

[cobalt junco]

you would have to try and see

[empty cliff]

another question is... is therre a magic phrase to google to find the bios

[empty cliff]

oh it comes with the pifs?

or do I have to go seek them out

[cobalt junco]

Try to view it as if you are interacting with a real N64 and also remember the core is still in progress so just try and see how you go

[cobalt junco]

It's in the yellow text download the files and rename them to boot.rom

[empty cliff]

ahh

[cobalt junco]

ntsc = boot.rom pal = boot1.rom

[empty cliff]

yep

was just missing the pifs but found them through the link

cheers

thanks a lot

[quasi storm]

Is the compatibility sheet correct for San Francisco Rush 2049? It says there are only CPAK issues, but the game won't get to the title screen for me. It shows the copyright screen for only a moment, then goes black. Anyone else?

[sly wasp]

ntsc (us) version works here, just tested it. It's still on so let me know if you want me to try anything.

[quasi storm]

Odd.

[cobalt junco]

it's also mentioned in the note if you have multiple cpak's inserted you'll have issues, so you should be fine with just the single cpak

[quasi storm]

I'm not at my mister to test now, but I remember it from when the latest core came out. I'll have to try again.

I remember with multiple paks inserted it would just do the funky chicken 🐓 but otherwise worked okay.

[sly wasp]

yeah I just did update all and got the latest (yesterday's) core. Playing on a sony CRT (BVM) so it's not frequency blackout..

[sly wasp]

no cpaks here, just a ps4 controller and it works fine

[cobalt junco]

the CPAK is the controller pak you set in the core

the note is referring if you are setting CPAK's on all the controllers the game wigs out

[sly wasp]

it looks like it's set to none on mine.

[hearty oar]

Anyone that installed the kitsch-bent stick replacement parts have any tips? It seems like no matter how I put it back together it doesn’t feel smooth and often won’t spring back to centre

[cobalt junco]

Ahh okay I've set my controller to always have a CPAK inserted when I launch the core

[hearty oar]

I think I need to sand it down, it’s grinding against the gate like it’s too wide or something…

The gears are catching too it seems…

[lament escarp]

I greased the bowl and put in a spacer to increase tension on the spring, so it centres better

But in the end I just kept using the hall stick

[vapid hawk]

check the spring-end-cap type thing is in the right place

its like a white teflon O shape

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-sheen-steamy-smoke-gif-9495044

[polar raft]

Anyone tried the new Retro-bit replacement hall stick yet?
Wondering how it compares to the 8bitdo one

[hearty oar]

Did they get the gate shape right? That’s the major issue I have with the 8bitdo?

[worn delta]

if you check the pins there is a line of code that can be added to the downloder ini file that will grab the lastest test build and the latest database when run, and if you use update all and have BIOS DB enabled then it will grab the correct BIOS files for you. You don't really need to do anything manually anymore to play the latest version of the core.

[polar raft]

I heard it's close to the one in the Tribute controller, but I've never tried that one.

[empty cliff]

thankyou

[solemn marlin]

The mario 64 'only up' rom hack runs but does some funky stuff

It skips the face scene and goes straight into the stage so that's nice but the unlimited frame rate makes it all screwy

[empty cliff]

the only rom hacks I care about right now are smash and those two really good mario kart ones, and later the goldeneye perfect dark patch

I wonder if that's already playable if it were patched

[solemn marlin]

What's the other good kart one? Amped up was nice

Also 100% working as Awbacon would say

[empty cliff]

hooting time

[mild ether]

I think the database will work with pretty much everything now that it includes game IDs and not just md5.

It's really solid the way it's setup now.

[native mesa]

If you have an everdrive you can extract the pif from original hardware too

[empty cliff]

unfortunately I do not

there's also mario overkart

[bronze elbow]

This one? #1096015979055697940 message

[quasi storm]

Just plowed my way through Amped up. The tracks are really cool, but for me the music was a little... meh.

[empty cliff]

yes goldeneye x, that's just working?

[bronze elbow]

You probably need to combine the hack with the TLB patches

[empty cliff]

I haven't played amped up yet, don't they just use the tracks from kirby/diddy/world etc?

[weary palm]

Can already tell you there's no way that will work.

GoldenEye X will have to wait for TLB.

I don't think GoldenEye X is open source.

[quasi storm]

There are tracks from GameCube and DS Mariokart, and then there are tracks based on Kirby and even Glover. Lots of 3d geometry, fully 3d items. It's actually quite the package. Current core runs it pretty well! Except during the split screen score tally. It tends to chug there a bit.

[empty cliff]

when I say tracks I meant audio tracks

like isn't the audio just from those games

[quasi storm]

I finally got home to try it. Can confirm that ONE Pak plugged in will work. Any more and the game crashes on startup.

[quasi storm]

Oh... well, the songs are inspired by their source material, by the instruments are just... again, meh.

Not all of them, just quite a few of them. I think they tried making it sound like Mariokart Advance in the instrumentation. It just doesn't gel with me, but that may just be a personal thing.

[bronze elbow]

Hm, goldeneye x adds a buttload of tlb use? :v

ah discord didn't load the rest of your messages

yeah, it not being open source, is a death nail for sure 😄

[topaz otter]

yeah but lifting the CRT daily will make you as big as Arnold

girls will swoon all over you and you can show them ps1 games on your mister at 1024x768

[fair stump]

I'm a big fan of this Genazea splash screen

[daring pike]

Anyone tried mario party games ? Do they work well ?

[quasi storm]

Looking at the compatibility sheet, it seems the Mario Party games work well!

[fair stump]

I watched a 4 cpu mario party 1 game complete itself without any issues

[empty cliff]

hahaha

did you bet on someone

[fair stump]

Bet on DK and he won 😎

DK is OP

[empty cliff]

haha

[weary perch]

i've updated the sheet to reference the crash

@wanton sun Jeopardy for N64 should work if you give the core a way to disable the P4 controller. the game won't accept any input if there is a controller plugged into the 4th port on hardware

[empty cliff]

I don't get the gimmick of jeopardy, how they have to ask "what is"

was the original concept of the show "ooh we have the answer, now guess the question"

but then they realised "eh this concept is bad actually" and so they still make them ask it like a question but it is actually an answer?

like looking at this on the n64

in what world is that an answer. that is a clearly a hint

like a pub quiz question

and the answer should just be "antarctica"

but they make them say "what is antarctica"

am I msising something? what is the point is what they should be asking

[hollow rune]

It is fun though

[bronze elbow]

If you would actually reverse the jeopardy you just feel the answerer is a madman 😄

[empty cliff]

imagine you asked someone "Hey, what is antarctica?" and they answered "according to guiness, the world's windiest place is commonwealth bay on the coast of this continent"

[bronze elbow]

Would be the most annoying dad ever

[empty cliff]

it doesn't even answer the question

[bronze elbow]

Wouldn't even be a correct answer unless you were currently in antarctica

[weary perch]

the N64 jeopardy has these tiny little FMVs for trebek to say "sorry, wrong" etc. it's kinda cute seeing FMV on the N64 even if it is postage stamp sized heh

[hollow rune]

It is definitely just a gimmick, but that's television

[fair stump]

Wheel of fortune does too with Dana. Though I don't believe she really does much

[sly wasp]

completely pointless as

"contestants are not penalized for forgetting to phrase their response in the form of a question, although the host will remind them to watch their phrasing in future responses if they do."

[empty cliff]

loool

[weary perch]

trapped in a vaseline prison

S.C.A.R.S. has a transparent red hue over the track that lights up green when you fire a powerup or whatnot. i wonder if it's the same "red transparency" issue from e.g. Automobili Lamborghini, Doom 64, etc.

[night silo]

what category(s) do you run? PB? 🙂

[native mesa]

Jeopardy switches the answer with the question.

They are looking for the question that has the answer

[empty cliff]

sure, but in what universe is THIS the answer to "what is antarctica?"

that can't be argued to be an answer, it's a pub quiz question

[native mesa]

Well no other question would get you that answer

[bronze elbow]

That question wont get you that answer either

[empty cliff]

"what is the windiest coast on antarctica?"

[bronze elbow]

"of this continent"

[empty cliff]

"according to guiness, the wrold's windiest place is hte commonwaelthy bay on the coast of this continent"

[daring meteor]

The jeopardy crash is the funniest one out of all

Well

not crash

bug

[bronze elbow]

Thank you chatgpt lol

[empty cliff]

you can't really get a question that sensibly produces that "answer" anyway since it talks about both the world's windiest place and "this continent"

haha

also sorry about my spelling, it isn't me it's my cpu running at 100% crunching these chds

keeps eating my letters and giving me double inputs

[devout belfry]

"I was mulling over game show ideas, when she noted that there had not been a successful 'question and answer' game on the air since the quiz show scandals. Why not do a switch, and give the answers to the contestant and let them come up with the question?"

That's where the format came from, fyi

[native mesa]

This seems to be the correctest answer

Alex Trebeck should only allow that

[empty cliff]

yeah but if you answered that they'd be like "umm no actually the answer is what is antarctica"

silly show premise

yeah I read that, that they were like "people keep accusing us of giving everyone the answers. so we'll give everyone the answers, and ask them for the question!!!"

bro that is the exact same thing

you could give them the questions, how does that solve anything

[bronze elbow]

If you were competing from antarctica, then "what is the world windiest place" would be enough lol

[devout belfry]

Yeah i never got how exactly it circumvents the scandal problem lol

But i do know that was the impetus

[knotty zealot]

i can relate because i once played n64 in antarctica

[devout belfry]

"This is the world's windiest place"
"WHAT"
"THIS IS THE WORLDS WINDIEST PLACE"

[devout belfry]

The game better have been 1080

[empty cliff]

I am assuming in series 1 it was actually like "a domestic animal of the porcine variety"

and they were like WHAT IS A PIG

but somewhere down the line they just abandoned the premise completely

[bronze elbow]

Was it Donkey Kong 64 https://twitter.com/DanRyckert/status/1234620865951813640

[empty cliff]

the fact it starts questions with "this" tells you all you need to know

if someone asked you like "where is the eiffel tower"

I mean, the answer is just france

they should do that one season

it just starts and it's like

"FRANCE"

"where is paris?"

"no sorry that was incorrect, the answer I was looking for is where is Lille"

[bronze elbow]

A swedish comedy group did a skit like that

[dense wagon]

Scientist out there at the time?

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-twirling-coordination-ambidexterity-fancy-pants-so-fancy-gif-12958417004871885102

[empty cliff]

WELCOME TO MARIO KARTA

[native mesa]

Why hasn't mario been cancelled as a racist caricature yet

[zealous hull]

You don't think a man that talks in his sleep about spaghetti and lasagna is an appropriate representation of Italian-American culture?

[native mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtYHPSTUho

Would it be ok to have a black character fall asleep and dream of fried chicken and watermelon?

[zealous hull]

Nah, Mario is my favorite white boy.

Do we know what specifically is preventing Golf and Tennis from working? It's not TLB, is it?

[empty cliff]

why haasn't street fighter been cancelled yet lol

dhalsim

early dee jay

[hollow rune]

It is

[empty cliff]

BLANKA what even is blanka lol

I searched this wwhen sf6 came out, what does brazil think of blanka

and on reddit they were like "we love blanka he is our hero"

"everyone I know plays blanka"

[weary palm]

Guile is racist.

[hollow rune]

This would be wrong. Mario is probably wrong, and we likely won't see him do stuff like that any more. My dad works with people from Italy, and they are weirdly okay with it. One of them actually finds jokes about the Mafia way more offensive

[quasi storm]

How do you even pronounce it? Like... BLANK-a? No, that can't be right, cause BLANK-a sounds like blanket, man...

[hollow rune]

It is about power, the history of the charicature, who is allowed to control the narrative

[weary palm]

Blahn-kah

[quasi storm]

This is how I always said it.

[hollow rune]

If Brazilians want to take Blanka in that is their choice and we should look to them about how then character evolves from there.

[hollow rune]

Same

I think SF2 has voice over right?

[lone geyser]

No but for some reason I think it would go over quite well if a Canadian character dreamt of all dressed chips, maple syrup and bad coffee

(never had timmies but I've never heard good things)

I think social standing matters a lot

[hollow rune]

It matters how the characture is used to rob others of power, and the fried chicken and watermelon thing was deployed by whites in truly insidious ways

[lone geyser]

Black people being a historically oppressed minority makes references to their culture (especially somewhat contrived ones used to belittle them like fried chicken and watermelon, as opposed to something their culture created) more of a problem

Jeepers

"here's all the things about your culture that we find so strange they're laughable" is definitely mean-spirited

[mortal panther]

"What is 'Korinna', Alex?"

[orchid nimbus]

yup

[hollow rune]

That is awful. We should use spoiler blackouts though everyone in case people don't want to see that

[lone geyser]

"We've also exaggerated it beyond reason"

[quaint pewter]

Nice to see puzzle bobble games running but they are definitely not playable yet. Bubbles appearing and disappearing and changing colours, then the game hangs too. But good progress.

[storm vessel]

Can someone point me to how to disable controllers? A few games need that currently, yeah?

[lone geyser]

https://translate.google.com/?sl=pt&tl=en&text=blanka &op=translate
Has the speaker button to hear it synthesized in a Portuguese voice but it's not a real Portuguese word so...idk

[weary palm]

Many games have trouble with 2d elements

Like flickering text

[woeful beacon]

What

Like games being like "nah bro you got too many hooked up, stop it" ?

[safe robin]

i only know about some Sega Saturn Games that dont like it if 2 Controllers are plugged in

at least with the current core

[woeful beacon]

Really

Fascinating

Psycho Mantis be like

[safe robin]

there is a Shinobi that crashes on boot if 2 controllers are used. I have no idea if its also like that on real hardware

[woeful beacon]

I hope it is

Cuz thats sick

Now that's speedrunning

[safe robin]

its a easy speedrun then 😄

[woeful beacon]

WRs for everyone

Oprah style

[weary perch]

there's no way to do it currently afaik. do you know what games beside Jeopardy that have issues with controllers other than P1 being inserted?

[safe robin]

its like the speedrun where someone gets banned form playstation network in 1.5 minutes by uploading porn the right way ^^

[left depot]

It's a known issue Robert is working on

Saturn core has issues with certain games, In the Hunt is another one. That ordinarily doesn't crash on real hardware with 2Ps, have to disable second pad.

[storm vessel]

I thought it was Mischief Makers or some other game people have tested (that I've yet to try on the core)

[weary perch]

Mischief Makers already works, though there are graphical glitches

i believe that one needed the slower padspeed rather than anything with multiple controllers

[storm vessel]

Maybe I'm confusing the Saturn and N64 sides of these rapidly developing cores

[remote hatch]

it's not a core bug

[left depot]

Ah yeah maybe you are thinking of padspeed as well. Greatly improved Blast Corps for example

[storm vessel]

Oh, that would be good to know. How do we do that?

[left depot]

What is it then? It's not on original hardware

[remote hatch]

yes, same for Shinobi , game bug

[orchid nimbus]

aren't you in the wrong channel? #saturn-chat might be a better place 😛

[remote hatch]

yes 😛

[orchid nimbus]

hehehehe - yes @storm vessel 😄

[weary perch]

Padspeed fixed Blast Corps, GT64, Body Harvest, and Mischief Makers iirc

[storm vessel]

I'm too tired 😛

[weary perch]

may have also helped with Battlezone: Rise of the Black Dogs

that game had some weird input issues before the padspeed fix

[solemn marlin]

Anyone with insight into why framerate improvement patches are so fucky? Will they ever work if they function on original hardware?

[left depot]

@storm vessel it's enabled by default now for pads in the N64 core 😛

[manic basin]

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/came-to-the-wrong-hood-beat-up-power-rangers-gif-15979816

saturn fans

[wanton sun]

writing a software emulator before working on a core doesn't make the core a port. Just like doing a paper model of a bridge before building it doesn't make the real bridge consist of paper 🙂

if someone wants to compare the psx core with the emu (both are open) you can try to find the things that are similar. I think it's mostly the names of variables/signals so i can even find what i can compare

[topaz otter]

well people abuse the term "port" to mean whatever they want

[odd vector]

I want to see that bridge made out of paper. Stable as a rock

[wanton sun]

well then Project 64 is just a port of the n64 😛

[topaz otter]

if you move a program to a completely different architecture and change 80% of the code, and it runs the exact same

is it still a port

[odd vector]

Project 64 was an Nintendo Project sold out to ads xD

[topaz otter]

i wish there was a better term than "port", it does a great disservice to the people that do all this work to get programs to run on hardware that its not native to

[manic basin]

Port of Theseus.

[orchid nimbus]

A: Yes it is, it's based on nesticle```

[topaz otter]

I'm sure when Icer Addis came up with that name he thought it was hilarious

and he was right, it is

[mild ether]

Yep, never gets old.

[manic basin]

We never got Segrotum though.

[mild ether]

That would have been an excellent SMS emulator.

[topaz otter]

apparently this dudes computer got hacked and someone stole the source code for nesticle

[manic basin]

So now he runs eunuchs?

<rimshot>

[weary palm]

I thought the name was fecal-lord?

[topaz otter]

wikipedia says its addis